[00:00:00] 46 of the Pittsburgh Nerd podcast I'm Sean and I'm Ian and this is the only podcast that says Clark that's the gift that keeps on giving the whole year nice yeah it's that time of
[00:00:47] year I guess like you know I still think it's too soon but you know you just get like it starts slowly like mid early to mid-November they start sneaking into Christmas commercials and you know
[00:01:03] John Travolta as Santa Claus and all this and not but now now it's hammered down it's Christmas I like the John Travolta one it's amusing but you know I thought that was pretty good yeah
[00:01:19] this is one of the better ones I've seen yeah but I mean it's just it's full steam ahead now it's it's Christmas deal with it man you know I don't want to deal with it I even saw like
[00:01:34] this already like um I saw somebody actually buying a Christmas tree from a Christmas tree lot yeah well they're up yeah but like I feel like if you buy a tree now like by the time you get to
[00:01:49] Christmas it's dead I haven't bought a live tree in so long yeah so I mean either a vine I've always when I was young it was always about two weeks before Christmas yeah that's like when my my
[00:02:03] parents would buy it then I have to stand outside holding the tree steady while my dad saw it to get it level cursing and swearing the entire time at me and the tree you know so people wonder why I fucking hate Christmas I don't know but
[00:02:26] there you go it's Christmas time yeah I went out Black Friday did you later like I I didn't do the 6 a.m. thing I was out by 7 30 just to see really wasn't busy at all yeah target was like
[00:02:49] target was it was very similar to like a Saturday night it wasn't like crazy and the rest of them weren't really crazy either I feel like most places now it's like it's either that early morning rush yeah and like everything else I think people do so much shopping
[00:03:08] online anymore yeah that they're not like Cyber Monday will be yeah an explosion I went uh yeah I mean I didn't find anything like great yeah um ended up taking Ellie out later and we went to
[00:03:27] Salvation Army of all places yeah because she likes to look for sweaters and stuff that I looked I like I like going to Salvation Army too yeah but uh that was a little busier but everything was 50 off yeah yeah like usually it's always
[00:03:50] it's either paint tags yeah and Monday it's blue tags yeah this was everything yeah everything in the store was 50% wow I'm like holy crap so we're looking around and she found a couple sweaters I found a pair of Levi's
[00:04:08] you know yeah and I don't mind buying secondhand Levi's I've said that stated that before I refused to pay $70 for a pair of Levi's yeah I get that um I just won't yeah I cannot bring
[00:04:21] myself to death even when they go on sale for 50 I can't yeah so uh so I mean I brought bought a pair of Levi's total cost of that was 125 yeah many bad no not for a good pair of Levi's
[00:04:39] that I barely even worn so um and then of all things I found Ellie a pico yeah like a London fog pico wow um and London fog's a good brand it it yeah uh there was nothing wrong with this pico
[00:04:58] yeah I mean nothing yeah um and what we're gonna have to get it dry cleaned right but it's fitter perfectly yeah um and I paid five dollars for that pico that's a proposal you know what I mean
[00:05:13] like there was no stains there was no rips there was nothing wrong and it's like it looked like it was hanging in a closet yeah so that was definitely a good buy for so yeah that was the best deal I had
[00:05:28] all day yeah salvation army um so yours are there yeah that was it what else I do well you know this time of year all the leaves are down and everything yeah right so I'm driving through the red light
[00:05:47] district in McKeesport yeah you know where I'm at yeah right and uh you know during the year I don't even pay much attention to it because it's all grown up yeah like yeah but the the old doc Johnson's
[00:06:05] there yeah that parking lot is huge yeah it is it's it's not just like it's deep yeah and there's like a building in the back I was like what do they got a jerk check back there or something
[00:06:20] what the fuck the other thing I knew was back there and I thought they went a ton of attention there used to be like a uh there was a paint like a there's like a truck that had like advertising on it
[00:06:34] like the whole purpose of the truck was it had like that that like it's like a it was like a driving billboard that's all it was and but like one of the the advertisers
[00:06:44] was for blush oh really yes you like be standing like the middle down time of keysport and here comes this truck driving by at the ad for blush which was a strip club in Pittsburgh but yeah maybe that's
[00:06:58] what it was I looked like a building at the end of the parking lot yeah I just figured it was like jerk check yeah I don't know when it was could be that too I don't know what was going on there
[00:07:09] but weird so that was really it yeah I did watch blue beetle how'd you like it I thought it was good yeah it was pretty good um this is well put together yeah yeah um and for some reason I watched amazing
[00:07:32] spider-man one and two yesterday wow yeah it was all good well you do you like the garfield I do yeah for my favorite so hopefully he gets a third I think he deserves a third I think that
[00:07:51] I don't know I think they're I feel like the redemption that garfield spider-man came no way home I don't want a third from him I don't want a third I don't want a fourth from
[00:08:01] to the Maguire I don't want a fourth from Maguire but I do what I would like because I'm a fan of him so I mean of course I'm gonna say that I want a spider-man amazing spider-man three right I don't I don't
[00:08:19] am my only reservation about um a spider-man three is there's not going to be a Gwen Stacy and I think that Gwen Stacy in both were integral integral to the storyline
[00:08:35] I mean of course but I mean like that's what I like so much about but you can introduce MJ yeah but in that universe I don't know if I want an MJ yeah do you know what I mean like I like
[00:08:53] Demastan so much in that and there's two movies yeah that Harry does I agree you know um but she was so good yeah you know what I mean um and I know like a lot of people have a problem with
[00:09:11] the garfield story because of the of the love story involved with it I know some people that do there's too much of a love story it was too much no because I mean if you've no spider-man
[00:09:23] I mean that was I knew that I mean it worked that part worked for me yeah like the whole Peter Parker's parents were secret agents bullshit didn't work for me like like that aspect of like well they weren't
[00:09:38] secret agents like that that entire lab that was down like it was like hermetically sealed down in the uh the closed subways of New York City that you know that handstand which was still
[00:09:49] perfect you know that was like oh come on now child please it didn't bother me but done it did back in a day maybe a little yeah you were like you know this is some bullshit
[00:10:06] you know the lab thing yeah but there was I think there's too much good in those movies than bad for me that's why I enjoyed them so much I really did I mean like the introduction of
[00:10:20] Shaw um Electro was like I loved it I liked him as Electro yeah and I got that you know you kind of got where he was coming from I didn't necessarily like Harry too much
[00:10:35] but I did like Electro yeah especially in in times to where yeah that I thought that shit was that was Times Square right yeah yeah I thought that shit was amazing I thought that was
[00:10:49] like a mix between out of the books and yeah and new yeah you know what I mean the whole webbing thing and yeah yeah that was off the hook and like the stuff that I liked was like you didn't like
[00:11:09] that spider because you thought he was too sarcastic I thought he was too too emo yeah I didn't think he was that emo I did like I mean it seemed very emo like and so like when
[00:11:24] he his his humor like I like Tom Holland's Spider-Man because his humor feels more from the books like it feels like Tom Holland's Spider-Man feels more like Spider-Man like I thought Toby McGuire's Spider-Man like it was like a great launching
[00:11:48] play like don't worry McGuire had problems and you know like even his rendition of Peter Parker wasn't that great the spider-man was just okay like I mean the thing he's like it was just
[00:12:03] the suit it was like you know there's a guy in a suit finally and it doesn't look like 1979 the Spider-Man TV show yeah and I felt I felt also too with McFarlane in the second one they got away
[00:12:17] from the genius of what Peter Parker was do you know what I mean like I didn't I didn't because he was a brainiac yeah do you know what I mean you mean like in in far from home
[00:12:32] no I'm talking about no no well you can go there too but I mean like no I'm talking about in Andrew McFarlane's Spider-Man the first one it was I do Garfield you mean yeah you know what
[00:12:45] I'm talking you know where I was trying to click on like you know where McFarlane's coming from yeah sorry I just woke up I know where McFarlane's coming from yeah we're the Garfield one we're
[00:12:58] the first one he's you know he's number two in class he's a brainiac he knows what he's doing he's figuring out equation you know to be like this is what Peter Parker is right and I felt like in
[00:13:09] the second when they got away from that and I think that has to do with what he was doing you know what I mean is spider-man stuff like that right but um oh I just really like that
[00:13:21] spider-man when he shot when he shot down shark or with the water hose and he's wearing the fire hat that's spider-man yeah that's straight from the books oh yeah that's yeah there's no doubt about that
[00:13:32] and like when he's in the store and he's fucking sneezing through his mask and the scarf and shit on and the toss that spider-man from the books yeah I mean like and so they captured a lot
[00:13:43] of that they did I'm not the mind and there were some other aspects like I there's like that I think it's the beginning of the movie when he jumps off the building and he's
[00:13:53] diving yeah like the way the cloth and the costume like it looks that looks better than all three of the like that one scene like the way the costume looks as he's as he's gliding everything
[00:14:10] looks better than all three of the tubby maguire spider-man's like there's no scene that can match that right you know I mean like it's it's that impressive like even like the scene that's
[00:14:20] in the first one where like all the cranes are kind of and he's swinging through like as much as I don't like that suit that version of the suit I thought the suit and amazing spider-man 2 looked better
[00:14:32] like it's still like an amazing like that's spider-man you know yeah like you never got that feel from maguire one like there are other aspects of maguire like I mean spider-man 2
[00:14:46] is still like to me in the top five of all time of super superhero movies yeah like that movie's just that fucking good yeah you know but the raised webbing and stuff I was like man that doesn't make
[00:14:59] any sense you know I liked how he went I liked I liked the fight between him and lizard too at the school yeah I thought that was really good that was you know yeah like when his tail ripped off
[00:15:13] and he's holding it he was like uh yeah you know what I mean yeah and like when he's when lizard's going after when he turns to go after Emma Watson you know what I mean yeah that scene where he
[00:15:28] turns like they're in the hallway yeah and he turns lizard turns to go after Emma Watson it's just like it's on now is that like you know he's really after him now right so I mean like
[00:15:40] that whole thing with pinning him and the webs I love how they did the webs I like that yeah and him crawling on wizard like a spider yeah going around I thought that was ingenious I also like the part
[00:15:51] was Stan Lee in the library too I thought that was really good yeah that was yeah I mean so it was some good stuff anyway it's fresh in my mind just because I just watched it but
[00:16:05] so yeah that was good to watch and it was weird how I watched it too because I watched the second one I watched the second one first and then I went and watched the first one yeah
[00:16:20] just because I was I don't know I was into it yeah and that back break is still brutal it is that is I mean that's one of the best I mean even I wouldn't that's one of the best things in
[00:16:30] Spider-Man Outro the way the web is unfolded you can see it almost looks like a hand yeah it's that's so well done and how the clock pieces are yeah yeah yeah it's extraordinarily well done yeah you know and it's so weird how it's almost like they teased it
[00:16:51] they teased it through almost the whole movie they do and so and you know it's common well I mean most people knew it was coming yeah I'll say 60 percent of people knew it was coming right
[00:17:05] and then the other 25 percent of people someone told them that it was coming yeah um but they teased it throughout the entire movie yeah you know what I mean they even teased it when
[00:17:16] he when he hit the when he got the boy out of the car in the beginning yeah was that the same movie yeah that's the movie yeah um or no no no that was the first one yeah I'm sorry yeah but they
[00:17:29] teased her yeah throughout the whole movie and they even teased it in that scene yeah I got you I'm gonna set you down right here yeah I'm like is it gonna happen now you know yeah and when it
[00:17:40] does happen it's just he's a good crier too yeah he makes it believable I was I don't know I'm just hard-working but it does make like having seen that scene it does make the scene where he saves
[00:17:54] MJ in no way home yeah very impactful you can also people cheered that scene but I'm like do you really understand why you're cheering it yeah like you know like I get it because it
[00:18:07] because even though he talks about it it's still like you had to have seen the emotional impact it had on him yeah you know I mean like well I also like the part where they were all in the lab
[00:18:17] I really appreciated that too because they were all yeah they were all Peter Parker yeah do you know what I mean like they're they're all geniuses yeah and they're all trying to figure
[00:18:26] the shit out right you know I like that too but uh I liked him in the new ones just because he was still torn I mean he was told of himself I know but he was still messed up yeah you know what
[00:18:44] I mean and but also like it was interesting because it was like it's like no I haven't fought a space alien and no I haven't been to space who the fuck are the Avengers and you know like he felt
[00:18:56] inferior to the other two because he hasn't had the life that that's like you're amazing yeah you know so like it but it but for him to save MJ like that
[00:19:12] was like a make like a fantastic moment that would like pay it was like the payoff from that movie yeah you know I mean like redemption yeah yeah I you know it's funny I I liked Malina in that too
[00:19:27] um yeah just because he plays a good such a good dog he does um I just didn't like Harry in the amazing I I get it maybe it was the actor I I'm not quite sure and not that I liked Harry
[00:19:50] in the first Spider-Man series because I I didn't really like him that much no because I don't like that actor that much yeah um what's his name well it was Dane DeHaan and amazing
[00:20:05] yeah I know that but it was um James Franco yeah I don't like James Franco yeah um but William Defoe yeah I mean Defoe is so fucking good that was goblins yeah to me
[00:20:21] like in no way home like that was when you finally got Green Goblin yeah and he was amazing yeah and Defoe the foe stole that movie huh the foe stole that movie yeah especially when the spider sense
[00:20:39] went off when they're all in that apartment yeah he couldn't figure it out yeah and then you saw the switch you saw that switch in Defoe and you're like damn that is like yeah you can't
[00:20:53] ask for anything better than that like even his facial expression switched it was just instantaneous it was it was amazing I it was but you see that in the first Spider-Man though
[00:21:05] you do like there's a where he's it wasn't Defoe that was bad it was the costume that was yeah the costume was bad but there's that moment at the end where he's like Harry you can't let Peter know
[00:21:17] please you and then he's also his face switches like Godspeed Spider-Man and that's when the and he flips over the uh yeah the thing like that's a great moment because it's like oh
[00:21:29] shit like I mean and Defoe was like so fucking like that yeah but you're right like you see it again and no way home where he just like that like that like he becomes he goes from being pathetic
[00:21:42] Norman Osborn to the goblin yeah and then the goblin they killed his yeah that was brutal that was a brutal scene that was a that was a cry scene but that was the brilliance like it was
[00:21:56] like this is a three-part origin story for Spider-Man because it's like his uncle died I was like yeah my uncle died but like like well that's supposed to be like really impactful like you know uncle Ben died
[00:22:10] and you're like that wasn't the that was that was it was for him it was May and it was like and she's the one who gives him the great power comes great response but I think oh shit I think the part
[00:22:20] of it was so brutal is when she got up yeah like her adrenaline yeah was still enough to keep her going at that point yeah and she got up and looked like they were gonna walk out yeah and then yeah
[00:22:35] I realized it you know that was awful it was awful when Ben died and amazing yeah that's Martin Sheen too I know Martin Sheen is so good I know but uh yeah so I don't know I was on a Spider-Man kick
[00:22:56] yeah obviously yeah I just I like Spider-Man you know that I did watch that trailer again for Madam Webb I don't think it's gonna be that bad I'm giving it a very low bar I'm not
[00:23:18] I think it's gonna be pretty good I'm interested okay so we'll see we will see but like I'm interested I'm giving I'm interested in anything in the Spider-Man universe because I'm aware of
[00:23:33] these characters right I get that and so when you bring these characters to life to me like Venom you know I mean and stuff like that I'm intrigued you know especially when they brought Carnage in
[00:23:46] I'm like yeah that was pretty good he looked good I thought I thought that movie was better from the simple standpoint of they made it shorter it was like an hour and a half yeah
[00:23:58] it was a fast hour and a half well I thought Carnage was um much better villain yeah than what was in the first yes do you know what I mean I agree I think I think the true story in the first was just
[00:24:15] between him and uh yeah you know their relationship right getting to know each other I guess yeah you know I mean but um you know in the second and the second one I really appreciated it I really
[00:24:34] appreciated that the uh when Venom was in that lady that ran that store oh yeah it was just absolutely perfect yeah so anyway so so like I said with Madame Webb you know we'll see
[00:24:50] I don't know that that is a limbo loa bore like I mean I have zero expectations I just don't know how they're gonna incorporate I there's a lot to incorporate here um with you know the
[00:25:13] multiverse yeah you know what I mean and it looks like Venom is part of this multiverse well I mean Venom is part of this universe period like Madame Webb's taking place in the
[00:25:25] same universe as Morbius and Venom and Craven these are all in the same universe yeah but what's this is what Sony's trying to build but what's tied to Marvel nothing it has to no Venom is tied to
[00:25:39] Marvel he was in the Marvel Semantic Universe for a minute that's what I mean though but he's like he's going he's going to get they even moved vulture to this universe the tide all together
[00:25:55] yeah you know I mean like it's it's not like unless unless Sony somehow says they're doing their own version of spider man yeah which I don't know if they can do or not with their agreement with
[00:26:11] Marvel yeah which is why they're doing all this other horseshit yeah it's kind of like like I just don't see the point like you're trying to build this universe you're trying
[00:26:22] to put it together you have that end credit scene at the end of Morbius with with uh him and vulture having a conversation out in the vegas desert yeah yeah like I don't get like because
[00:26:38] like to me like none of these it's it would be like trying to put together a batman universe without batman oh that's right they tried it was called Gotham and it sucked
[00:26:52] that one guy was good in Gotham is it the Riddler yeah he was the Riddler in Gotham yeah wasn't that him yeah I thought he was pretty good but my problem is like here's the problem
[00:27:06] Batman's old enough to be Batman right all these villains would be in their old age you know I mean like and that's not the case right right you know I mean like I mean it was like the the initial concept of Gotham
[00:27:24] was interesting to me because it was about James Gordon it was supposed to be about James Gordon in a corrupt you know DC or a Gotham police department yeah DC Gotham police department
[00:27:39] and how he survived and rose to become commissioner right you know like and in the midst of all that you got the death of Thomas and Martha Wayne yeah like that was an interesting concept to me yeah like there were characters you could introduce
[00:28:00] but like for the most part like it should have basically been off like all the villains should have been off limits yeah but instead they all rise to power right and you're right because by the
[00:28:14] time Batman would be able to you know fight or train all the stuff that Batman does right those villains would have been like 65 years old yeah so I mean like you said I mean how old was
[00:28:27] Batman supposed to be when he first came back I think depending on what incarnation between 28 and 32 I think okay yeah you're right these guys have been 60 yeah or better yeah depending on how you
[00:28:47] look at yeah so I mean like it was that thing like with Gotham maybe I'm just ready for a Batman movie like a Batman like I don't know not something that's four hours long yeah not something that's combined with all these other superheroes just a good Batman movie
[00:29:15] do you know what I mean oh I get what you're saying yeah like to I mean you won't be able to recapture that something like from uh like the first one the Michael Keaton that was a lightning in the
[00:29:35] bottle type of thing yeah and then it got better I but I like all the toys do you know what I mean yeah like I'm a lot of folks like the new one because it was more realistic and I did too I appreciated
[00:29:51] it too yeah just got you to damn long yeah and drawn out yeah and but you know Batman did have some cool stuff in that belt you know like the shark repellent yeah but what I mean was yeah but
[00:30:07] I mean like I'm gonna see that action that was like in the one with the Joker yeah you know what I mean like yeah the dark light to me is like the high bar that is the high bar
[00:30:20] I mean that was yeah that was wicked you know what I mean it was it was a great story it had a fantastic action it you know yeah I mean I think that's what I want again yeah you know I just don't
[00:30:37] want to I don't want an origin story and I don't want a four hour long movie yeah you know I just I can't deal with it I don't I just want to be entertained yeah you know right and some of the
[00:30:52] batmans entertain me right you know I just don't want this I don't want what we just had I like it but I don't want that again I haven't seen it since neither of I that's the one I've only
[00:31:09] watched one well yeah that's the only one I've only watched I mean I've even watched the movie that shall not be named yeah multiple times yeah I just I can't sit through that again I've been meaning
[00:31:19] to I want to give it another visit because there are aspects of it like the chase scene with the penguin that is so fucking good yeah you know and that like you look at that car like that batmobile
[00:31:37] that's not a batmobile that's just a souped up dodge chart yeah for a realistic standpoint that makes sense you know well what was the original one it has souped up 57 Chevy or no it wasn't 57
[00:31:53] from the tv series yeah that was a a galaxy a four galaxy a modified four galaxy yeah it's funny because there's four galaxies had all those lights on yeah it lights everywhere yeah
[00:32:07] so but yeah I mean like like the Keaton batmobile makes no sense like I love that batmobile the huge thing yeah I mean because it looks badass it does I mean it's because the thing would be like
[00:32:28] with Batman it would have to be practical and that has no practicality not when you have to shoot a grappling hook to make a bend no not at all you know you can impale a citizen of Gotham trying to
[00:32:40] make a left right well that's the thing it didn't end Gotham streets there's no way there's no way it's no way feasible that that would even work and like even like the the later ones like with um
[00:32:55] you know Batman forever and the movie that should not be named like those batmobiles were off I like the one with the motorcycle inside yeah well that's the tumbler the tumbler yeah it was badass
[00:33:08] like even the tumbler as much as as much as I love the tumbler yeah because I thought the tumbler was a badass idea like it's still like I mean I guess it was more maneuverable like they made it
[00:33:20] maneuverable like it I mean but I guess like this is something about it man it's just a tank I do you know but like that bat cycle inside there oh yeah that was badass how it just he
[00:33:30] went down in yeah like I was like hey yeah it was like it's like bond meets DC yeah like he just I was so wicked it just something moved and he dropped down in and like he was like yeah you think the chair
[00:33:44] his chair moved to the right and then he went down yeah he had to line up with the wheels and then the back kicked forward yeah he was ready to go and yeah that's wicked that's some wicked
[00:33:55] shit yeah it was good but like I like how he took that truck out in the joker one too yeah yeah with the bat cycle yeah oh man that was the first time it's the only time they've ever
[00:34:09] it was practically done where they had a truck lift like that uh and you know like like I've never done that oh yeah yeah it was did you ever stand in the middle of the street oh come on come on I mean
[00:34:33] I'll tell you Heath Ledger's Joker is not the real Joker but man that Joker was phenomenal because no one had that whole thing about realism and like somebody falling into a vat of chemicals made no sense but this character makes sense in a real world like you believe
[00:34:50] that you could run into that character oh yeah and you don't want to you know it was just written very well for him it was and I mean in Heath Ledger you know God rest his soul you know executed the perfection yeah even the laughs the subtle
[00:35:09] laughs yeah like everything was everything was good the one-on-one scenes with batman in the prison yeah you know the one-on-one scenes not one-on-one but him visiting these mob guys oh I mean the scene
[00:35:27] you know the scene where what the scene where he's got like the power money he just lights it on fire yeah because he doesn't care yeah the things I need are cheap yeah I even like the scene up in
[00:35:41] the Wayne penthouse oh that was good my favorite part of that is um wasn't a guy played Alfred Michael Keaton Mike no no no Michael Michael oh oh oh oh Michael Ironson
[00:36:01] no no Ironson um what's his name Michael Kane Michael Kane Michael Kane had not seen Heath Ledger yet the first time he sees him is when that door is open his reaction is real really like he was
[00:36:17] completely startled by what he saw yeah he wasn't because he didn't know and so that's what like Christopher Nolan kept that scene the way it was because keep Michael Kane's reaction is so realistic
[00:36:28] like you can't repeat that acting yeah so it was like wow that's impressive you know he takes the drink and yeah so good so good well well well what do we have here
[00:36:46] these cups like come in here with a knife you know and then the story the change story oh yeah it was good too it was and I love how how fucking Bruce Wayne went in went into this other
[00:36:59] room and there's a couple making out and they're like hey Bruce yeah he was like yeah oh thank god you got a panic room he was like i'm busy close the back room yeah it's my panic room yeah what a dick
[00:37:11] I know i'm getting out of here yeah yeah that was good though yeah the fall I don't believe no yeah but that he should have broken every bone in this back but that's the thing you like
[00:37:28] you forgive it because of how good that movie is yeah you don't forget the broken back in the next movie I do not no no I cannot yeah I can't I cannot yeah I can't forgive it even though I like Bane
[00:37:48] yeah I think they could have done it 10 times more with them as a character I think they could have done a little bit more with him like even like the changing of Bane yeah because they again that's
[00:38:01] not really Bane no it's just a big grunt sort of well no I mean he does have aspects aspects of Bane where like Bane commands like loyalty like like you saw from his his people he he is hyper intelligent
[00:38:18] like he he is a military strategist again all this like all that aspect of it was correct the only thing was he relies on venom for strength right where this character it was like it was already
[00:38:33] there yeah yeah I know the master of a different purpose essentially right because like I mean I remember from the books vaguely the like it like you like hulked up like we took the chemical
[00:38:47] yeah like made him bigger and stronger and faster and you saw the tubing yeah right yeah almost attached to him like a backpack sort of yeah you know what I mean yeah you're absolutely right
[00:39:00] yeah yeah they didn't we didn't get that aspect no no we sort of got it in that one that terrible yeah the punch yeah yeah no no no not the terribleness of the other movie oh yeah yeah but he was just
[00:39:22] yeah but he was just Saber toothed the next man won yeah that's all that that's all that was yeah it was like that really was a monster like that that even more so was not Bane you know
[00:39:33] right like I guess there are a lot of aspects they got right in the Nolan version that you know well it's like you said Nolan's version of realism yeah um but you know I did I like Tom Hardy yeah
[00:39:50] yeah oh yeah every time he spoke I listened yeah you know what I mean I love the character I just wish they would have done a little bit more with him as far as the venom and but I guess he didn't
[00:40:03] I guess he he Nolan felt like he didn't need to do it I mean I like the part where he absolutely destroyed Gotham but he was good and the flashback scenes to him were good yeah you know what I mean
[00:40:20] yeah but the whole shit with Bruce Wayne in that fucking pit was just like yeah yeah you gotta be fucking kidding me yeah every time he broke his back I should have knocked him back like yeah
[00:40:33] eight months to a year and he had a timeline I'm like yeah get the fuck out of here yeah um and that's what bothered me about it I just didn't think it was as well done in the movie as the
[00:40:48] second one and it was just a letdown not that I expected you can't get that lightning in a bottle again from the second one but the first movie is really good the second movie is one of the greatest
[00:41:00] comic movies of all time agreed and the third one it's good but it's a such a letdown from the second one and it looks cheap like I just felt like it looked a lot of it looked cheap to me
[00:41:14] like especially when they were in the streets it looked like a fucking movie set it's that weird thing so odd it's that weird thing that there's a reason why you've never
[00:41:30] seen a batman movie where batman's out in the daytime until that movie yeah the suit just does not work yeah like a dozen at all like it just didn't yeah none of it felt right yeah when they were charging
[00:41:49] the stairs and all that kind of shit in the big fight yeah I mean none of that scene worked for me yeah none of it yeah like none of it none of the people the buildings looked fake I thought
[00:42:02] and what's that was I was filming the Pittsburgh I know it just didn't look right like the lighting was just a lot it was it was I mean you can do that in Pittsburgh and aren't you've been down in Pittsburgh we've been at those points in Pittsburgh and
[00:42:15] that wasn't Pittsburgh yeah that didn't look that looked like a movie set yeah like you're right I think it was the lighting and the way they did things and yeah um take for instance you get
[00:42:25] you gather a big group of people like that yeah right on that scene in that third movie yeah right they're all russian you know yeah take the point where um where they fake commissioner Gordon's
[00:42:39] death yeah in the second one yeah completely too I mean same principle mass amount of people in one place yeah right but tell me that one in the second didn't look real yeah you know with the cops and
[00:42:56] right that whole scene yeah looked incredibly realistic the funeral scene is what you're talking about for commissioner Gordon like the memorial because he's at the death of Gordon that was
[00:43:08] actually at night or no no no that was you're right no you got shot during the day yeah that's right remember with the sniper yeah that man yeah the whole thing yeah right and they fake commissioner
[00:43:21] Gordon's death right I'm but that whole scene yeah was shot daytime right to it looked completely completely different look and I don't know if it's the way the streets of Chicago are compared to the streets of Pittsburgh I don't know where they had to like light it differently
[00:43:41] but that could that was in Chicago yeah and the you know it just looked completely different but it was two outdoor scenes yeah and Pittsburgh does not look like a movie set yeah it doesn't yeah
[00:43:54] it's dark maybe that's the problem is it was too dark and so they had to light it because it was day time I don't know I hadn't just had issues with it yeah come on boys let's get them you know I mean
[00:44:07] it was like it's something it was so weird to me um but you know I felt like they should have used Scarecrow more I thought Scarecrow I thought the Scarecrow character was really good yeah
[00:44:25] no I agree and I don't think they developed that enough anyway I just want to see a Batman movie that entertains me again that I don't want to sit four hours and sit there and watch it or
[00:44:39] you know watch a third one that it's like they gave up yeah his ledger died you know what I mean yeah I just want to be entertained because I like the Batman character you do
[00:45:01] I'm looking for something yeah because we're talking DC so I want to talk about this um you know the Superman legacy is going to be I don't know if it's a kickstart of the DCU but it kind of is I know that it's supposed to be
[00:45:23] some like some animated stuff it comes out beforehand it's part of that that's um but but Superman legacy is like the the big the big movie to kick it off and um there's been some casting news that's come out from this um they have announced that
[00:45:46] David Corn Sweat is going to be playing Superman and Rachel um Brazahan is going to be playing Lois Lane okay no I know I mean Rachel Brazahan she's from the Marvelous Miss Mabel so if you've seen that you you're
[00:46:08] probably not going to have an actress she is I'm not familiar with uh Mr. Corn Sweat at all but they've announced he's going to be playing Lex Luthor and this to me is a key role because part of the failings of Batman v Superman was Lex Luthor yeah
[00:46:29] Nicholas Holt is going to be playing Lex Luthor okay now I mean he's your least favorite beast yeah but he is a hell of an actor yeah like I heard this and the only thing I don't know if he can do is command the gravitas
[00:46:54] of Luthor of Luthor yeah I don't know what to see yeah I don't know at least I don't know yeah I've never seen him in any kind of role other than he was in the menu he was I mean he was like
[00:47:13] kind of sniveling a weasley and that yeah I know um he's an he can act like I'm not saying the guy can't act you're right I mean he's definitely
[00:47:26] a fine actor isn't he in warm bodies or yeah he was in warm bodies yeah yeah like the dude can definitely act but like I guess the thing I'm looking at like I said like Lex Luthor has to like
[00:47:43] when Lex Luthor walks into a room you know it yeah you know what I mean like he had like a good Lex Luthor has to just have a gravitas a commanding presence yeah like it's hard to describe like
[00:48:02] it's funny like to me like the best Lex Luthor is still Michael Rosenbaum in in Smallville yeah I mean that dude was Lex Luthor yeah you know but I'm hoping like you know I hope Nicholas Holt has it in I'm I hope I just I just
[00:48:21] gotta be like this like a presence I guess what you describe is like he's a presence like when Lex Luthor walks into a room you know it sort of like that king uh kingpin presence
[00:48:36] yeah kingpin has to have it yeah exactly that's why he that's why when what's his name played kingpin he was so good oh I mean not that shit out of the park he was kingpin he was he believed
[00:48:49] no matter if he was talking to a dude on the side of the street or if he was up in his apartment yeah penthouse I mean like or doing something worse yeah but he commanded the screen yeah
[00:49:04] my name is that good at it yeah exactly but that's the kind of power that you need behind the rule and you're right I don't know if they kind of got it I hope so I really do because I wanted this
[00:49:15] to succeed obviously yeah but like it's like it's a tough thing to find so I guess he won't be playing beast no I don't really guess not there's been rumors of what's his name playing beast again I was like
[00:49:31] why well I I did hear that that is in the uh the cut the cut scene of uh the marvels but why I don't know I mean yes he was a good beast but he's like 80 years old
[00:49:45] yeah the voice matches yeah I think I think that's the problem is like at this point like you can almost like digitally create beast and just use Kelsey Grammer's voice yeah because his voice
[00:49:59] like his beast yeah I agree yeah I do I agree with that it would have been interesting to see Kelsey Grammer as a young Hank McCoy though yeah like a young like like if you had done this in the 80s
[00:50:19] like before beast yeah like the gorilla no no like I'm talking like like pre-mutation yeah okay you know I mean like because there was like a moment where he was still human and then he
[00:50:36] you know like that would be you're talking like the originals yeah yeah like Archangel and yeah beast and yeah where he you know he wasn't the big furry guy yet but like like a young Kelsey Grammer
[00:50:53] like a like a cheers Kelsey Grammer playing a young Hank McCoy that would have been interesting I think so too yeah I think that um yeah I think it'd have been cool to see him in that role
[00:51:10] yeah but we'll never get that no you know what I mean yeah yeah we'll never get that no unfortunately but very weirdly like I can see Kelsey Grammer as Lex Luthor and I can't
[00:51:30] know he's too old at least I mean yeah now again now but like again a young younger Kelsey Grammer like the way he could command the room with his voice he's got that deep you know yeah
[00:51:45] I guess the thing like I've I've got like Michael Rosenbaum was a fintat like to me again the best but like in my head when I read Lex Luthor it's um Clancy Brown's voice okay because Clancy Brown
[00:52:02] voiced Lex Luthor in the um Superman the animated series and then the Justice League right so like Clancy Brown's voice is like etched in my head is like that's the voice of Lex Luthor so I guess
[00:52:17] my problem is like that that's the voice I want right it's something like deep and commanding like that yeah the originals like Gene Hackman like everybody like oh Gene Hackman was phenomenal and
[00:52:33] like not really he wasn't like he was just Lex Luthor like to me that wasn't Lex like a criminal yeah like uh like he was a super smart criminal but he was just a criminal you know like Lex is
[00:52:49] like a man of like industry yeah you know and like his problem with Superman is the fact that he's not Superman he Superman's revered and he's like you know not right like you know he feels like he
[00:53:04] should be the one who's revered because you know how smart he is and I really sorry but that would be cool to it like they'll never do it but that would be cool to see an origin story of the
[00:53:16] X-Men do you know what I mean like an OG like well like with this cast with X Cyclops Iceman Beast Archangel and Marvel yeah Marvel Girl or Phoenix yeah whatever Gene Gray whatever you
[00:53:29] Gene Gray yeah well just go Gene Gray Gene because the original she was called Marvel Girl yeah which was kind of it's kind of cool actually yeah considering the age of the comic you know
[00:53:41] what I mean but it would be cool to see that but like we said before and how well did they play in you know what I mean like yeah Beast could play in this is this is beast before a beast right
[00:54:00] this was the gorilla pretty much yeah you know what I mean um Archangel doesn't really hold anything until he turns into death and then once he turns into death then of the enforcement of
[00:54:15] apocalypse then he has some more relatable powers right but him just flying around isn't gonna do much I mean he that he has abilities but not like yeah I mean Iceman makes sense
[00:54:31] in Cyclops of course makes sense right Gene Gray makes sense you know the right it's sort of like Sue Storm yeah okay yeah you know what I mean Scarlet Witch Sue Storm yeah who's gonna win you know
[00:54:47] what I mean like yeah those originals would be pretty cool to see on screen you know what I mean like would you do as a period piece and go back to the 60s again or yeah okay I think you'd have to
[00:55:03] just because of who they are in their powers right do you know what I mean like you couldn't end the early on of it's so early I mean because when they when you get graduated
[00:55:18] the 60s recruits you bring in mimic the changeling Polaris and Havoc right so now you're starting to build up these characters like Havoc's Havoc's a major character right which was never developed I don't think well within the X-Men franchise right no it was he was huge yeah um
[00:55:43] I don't know 70s recruits sway Darwin Vulcan microler Kurt Wagner yeah and that's when Wolverine came in Banshee came in Storm Sunfire Colossus and Thunderbird which yeah nothing I'm going through
[00:56:05] full history but it's neat to see the evolution right of characters that we know right and some of the people they've put in but like like and then the 80s that's kind of where we sort of I mean
[00:56:23] wouldn't that say kicked you off yeah because I mean at that point you know you weren't reading old age comic books at that time we were reading like I read like I as a kid I remember because my dad
[00:56:39] would pick up these um they look like they look like novels yeah but they were comic books yeah and it was like the original like I had like the original 20 issues of like the fantastic four
[00:56:52] yeah but it was like in these novels yeah you know and I had like years of spider-man stuff because in these novels and like these aren't the original graphic novels yeah and um
[00:57:06] I had to like I remember reading the original X-Men stuff as well like so like I like I read that stuff as a kid but like I didn't kick off kick off until like you were buying comics because
[00:57:18] you were buying Marvel I was buying DC yeah I was still more of a DC kid at that because I you know right I was more influenced by like the super friends and stuff so I was reading Batman's
[00:57:29] Superman Green Lantern the Justice League stuff like that and I was reading Spider-Man X-Men yeah four yeah yeah but when I started buying you're talking 80s right yeah so I mean 80s we were
[00:57:48] like five six seven years old right is the 80s early talking about 1980 1980 I would be nine eight eight yeah yeah I'd have been yeah sorry eight nine ten eleven twelve that range but that's where we got the introduction of Kitty Pride Rogue you know what I mean yeah
[00:58:14] Gambit comes in the Longshot yeah Cyclok, Dazzler, Forge, Forge was actually pretty cool and then the 90s kicked off Gambit Jubilee Bishop you know what I mean so I don't know but don't
[00:58:33] you think it's a better cable to the kind of cherry pick and put together well what would be the most interesting team for Marvel to launch a new franchise with cherry pick a team yeah of X-Men
[00:58:50] yeah so now like some Marvel starts off you know whatever the X-Men movie is and it's like okay well here's here's Wolverine here's Gambit here's here's Rogue here's Cyclops do you need Rogue
[00:59:05] though I would I would the only reason I would include Rogue is because I have Gambit you know if you didn't have Gambit I wouldn't put Rogue in yeah you throw in a Jean Grey because you got Scott
[00:59:20] or you could throw in um um one of the turns the diamonds oh Emma Frost yeah but she was yeah yeah but you know her and Scott fucked her on yeah and then you would have to have a beast
[00:59:45] yeah you throw in a beast you know Kitty pride Cyclops would you throw Iceman in I mean like I always thought Iceman was too young he wasn't in the 90s kids yeah Iceman's been around for a long
[01:00:01] fucking time right but I mean like I get like your cherry picking and you see you're saying like okay like here here are the adults and then here's here's Bobby here's Kitty here's would
[01:00:13] you throw Nightcrawler in yeah I mean like you said like and would you throw Storm in I mean like you've ruined her at this point yeah I mean I guess the tough part like the tough question becomes
[01:00:28] like okay like when you start cherry picking like how many people do you put on the team yeah because what because then you like when we once you become too much so like do you take out like
[01:00:36] Rogue and Gambit and you throw in Storm you can't take Rogue and Gambit because Gambit's already in Gambit's gonna be in yeah like I said I'm saying like I mean
[01:00:50] like you so how it was a cool character don't give me one yeah like how big he wasn't he wasn't on the level of Cyclops but on a popularity stamp yes he was that's what I'm saying like
[01:01:02] you're trying to relaunch a brand and you're trying to launch it with the most popular characters right you know so like to me like you have to have a Wolverine you have to have Gambit
[01:01:13] you know because you're like you're trying to appeal to the masses who are like you know this is what I need to see but like again like cherry picked so much but till
[01:01:21] but how big is the team like is it is it six guys six people seven people right or do you bring in cable right like because like to me like we're Colossus like right like I like to see a kitty
[01:01:34] pride and Colossus storyline yeah like that's the problem with the X-Men franchise is like they're right there are a lot of characters that you want to see put into that franchise
[01:01:46] and there are a lot of storylines you like to see like created based upon the history of the comic books but at the same time like if you make them too big then you're focusing back on Charles and
[01:01:58] Xavier yeah and if you put Wolverine in you're gonna focus all on Wolverine because he's been the focus right but I think you can you got Wolverine in a movie and not have him be the focus
[01:02:10] yeah you can but is that what the fans want right you know are you gonna piss the fans off there you're like oh that wasn't Wolverine you know what I mean well I mean you you can you have
[01:02:23] them but like it's like again that's the problem like so again like so five five team members plus Xavier you know what I mean like oh what five do you pick that's the
[01:02:35] problem like do you go back and you say okay well it's it's wolvey storm cyclops gene gray and beast and beast yeah like you know what do you take beast out and you put in like you have beast
[01:02:57] there he's like he's almost like Xavier is like right-hand man at the mansion yeah but he's not on the team so you have beast there and you replace beast with cyclops or not like with the glosses
[01:03:11] yeah you know like I guess it depends on what versions you want right and like you know like the versions of Colossus and Nicarola being on the team together do you know what I mean
[01:03:22] like right but if you throw Colossus on the team you get a fastball special yeah like it's stuff like that like I mean there's like all sorts of like odd oddities like
[01:03:34] but that's the problem like you know like you can only put so many on the team you can't overload it you can't because then you've got too many characters right you know you can't have too many characters
[01:03:46] that you have to develop right because then you run into a problem with the eternal side there was too many of them half of them I still don't know what the fuck they do yeah I know you know I
[01:03:54] mean like but that's the thing it's like you get these guys together and you don't want to get into origin stories for everybody right you know and I think that's where the I don't know I they just failed at the X-Men movies and I feel that
[01:04:14] I don't I don't know but it's tough because you want to see certain things from an X-Men movie I want to see certain things from an X-Men movie the guy next to me wants to see certain
[01:04:27] things from the X-Men movie the guy next to him has no fucking clue what the X-Men are you're right you know I mean like so it's like that odd thing of like
[01:04:35] like yeah you have to find a balance I get the balance I just but how do you balance that team and how do you with the right characters I get I mean it feels like Scott Jean and Logan have to be
[01:04:52] there that leaves you with two slots who do you fill that with yeah I know you know so you have to have Scott in there yeah like I mean you have to because Scott is connected to so many other people
[01:05:13] like Havoc and Vulcan and like there's a lot of there's a there's like a it's like a family tree with Scott Summers right you know what I mean like there's so many and if
[01:05:25] I don't know it's a it's a it's an interesting question and do you include Jean I guess you have to I don't know either I'm asked that that's the thing like it's like it's that that's the
[01:05:43] weird question like you know so if I take you include Jean just because she was there from the beginning do you know what I mean or but also like how important is Jean to Scott
[01:05:53] yeah like that's the real key is like their relationship is very very very tied together yeah you know I mean like even if you take Logan out like if you have Scott you have to have Jean
[01:06:11] yeah see they don't have the love triangle aspect of it but at the same time right like there are so now you know fans would erupt if she took Wolverine out and then there's the whole kitty
[01:06:24] pride thing yeah you know what I mean like there's just so many different areas I mean I guess it was tough to do maybe that's why they did split them into kids versus yeah adulting time you know
[01:06:39] what I mean yeah maybe a kid would get his shot right you know which I mean they did brilliantly in in in X2 yeah you know yeah the kids did get their shot in that movie in a lot of ways you know
[01:06:55] that's where you get pyro and ice man and yeah you know so I mean there's a lot that comes comes out of that but like that first movie it's like you have to kind of like
[01:07:10] yeah sure there's Bobby and there's Ro you know it's like you had you almost had to like this is the team right here these other characters almost as cameos you're right there's been so many members of
[01:07:29] the X-Men right and that's the big problem with the X-Men like I like any other team you know Avengers have had quite a few members right again and out right but but unlike like even their heads
[01:07:43] have switched yeah but I mean like the Avengers like or even like the Justice League like yeah you could that they've there's been all sorts of variations of the Justice League over there's all sorts of
[01:07:56] variations of the Avengers over the years but like with the X-Men like that is especially in the comics it's like its own little world yeah you could almost do like I would almost forgive
[01:08:13] Marvel for just doing like a completely separate X universe yeah just so you could get as many of those characters in as you could right right you know but you but at the same time you want
[01:08:25] to see that incorporate with what we're already watching right yeah and now with this whole fuck fucking shake up of the villain you know what we're getting right you know what I mean yeah
[01:08:40] we have no idea what the fuck's going on no and with whatever they come come about with is it even gonna fit like well I mean does X-Men need to even happen right now
[01:08:58] well I mean it's it's clear I think it's clear it's it's slowly that wheel is turning well I think so too and I think the first version of that is going to be Deadpool yeah
[01:09:09] obvious I mean Deadpool I mean Deadpool actually has already introduced Colossus and been to the X-Mansion and right but at the same time like I think this Deadpool movie is going to be him like just traveling like somehow he's traveling through the multiverse which is cool yeah which
[01:09:26] and it would make a ton of sense from the standpoint of like you know breaking the fourth wall like only he knows what's going on right yeah like you crack it you're like well I need to
[01:09:41] talk to Loki you know who the fuck is like he's the guy who's in control of all the threads you know you know like something like that like there are there's shit that could be done
[01:09:57] like you have to see Loki you have to finish Loki yeah because that's where the you know but there are just there are things like I could see like somehow Deadpool's the kickoff yeah but do you see Deadpool in this universe say they're going up against Galactus
[01:10:25] just I'm right that I'm just throwing that out there right or even do do you see do you see Deadpool in a in a scenario of what am I trying to say I don't know
[01:10:44] know what would you see moon night cap going Avengers and there's Deadpool on the side do you see Deadpool running in there I see I see Deadpool still in the line yeah yeah yeah I know
[01:11:02] that but I mean like but like okay but like so like here's the thing like okay do you see blade in that scenario do you see moon night no I do see blade but they're there they're in the
[01:11:17] universe yeah I know yeah I don't know I like to midnight so I like midnight a lot but yeah I don't I maybe I just don't understand where these where the pieces fit
[01:11:34] or they don't fit and they're not supposed to like I I don't know I think the problem is there was so much cohesion to like you saw where this was going with like the infinity saga right those 20 some odd movies
[01:11:56] like once you got to the first Avengers movie yes and you get a Thanos at the end of that movie in the stinger yeah like you're like oh I know where this is all going now yeah the thing is though
[01:12:09] with the with that cohesion I mean you had you brought in these different folks right yeah so you brought in the Guardians which made sense yeah from the space aspect right Black Panther yeah
[01:12:26] which made sense so you brought in and you had your main characters right like you had what cap Iron Man Thor Hulk right six and then Black Widow and Hawkeye yeah right and then you had all these
[01:12:54] sub characters coming and I call them subs which they kind of were like vision came in vision which yeah and those people coming in right but it seemed to it seemed to
[01:13:12] it was it was very well built on on each movie right well done and I'm not seeing that right now from secret invasion to all this the eternal like all this stuff that they're doing I'm not
[01:13:25] seeing any cohesion to any of them no there's not and it's like like I mean I trust Kevin Fahy I feel like he's got a plan yeah you know but at the same time like at this point we should have a clue
[01:13:41] yeah and we're just getting these like when Moon Knight came out great series but doesn't link to anything right Black Knight I mean you know what I mean yeah are we talking about
[01:13:55] are we doing the monster squad here I mean you know what I'm saying like what are we doing are you just throwing these out as like teasers or are you you know you know what I mean like
[01:14:09] just all this stuff happening and it's just kind of like now with Deadpool you know you're introducing now the X-Men in right how's that gonna work you've teased us with Quicksilver you know what I mean yeah it was great by the way yeah
[01:14:34] I just don't know you know you brought in Nick Fury again which that was a bomb but you still brought him in so I mean like what are you doing I just don't understand
[01:14:47] I don't know and did we feel like this on the first one first time around no I mean we kind of had a ladder we climbed you know to each right you know sneak peek at the
[01:15:03] end credits you know I mean how it was going yeah now they're talking about Red Hulk yeah you know what are we doing here are you bringing Cap back and iron I mean like
[01:15:18] of course I guess you have iron heart now right you should and now we have all the marvels right yeah so I mean I don't know I mean you you have and they're gonna introduce more is what
[01:15:35] I'm saying right you're gonna introduce at some point they're gonna well they're gonna introduce the four right they're gonna introduce X-Men right surfers coming in at some point right you're you're introducing doom with the X-Men Magneto somewhere out there right I mean Magneto is
[01:15:54] always there right you know right but like yeah I mean it's all over the place but it was amazing I guess is the beauty and then you have the spider-man's yeah what's going on
[01:16:10] with the spider-man realm but you I think was a that was the amazing thing and I know they didn't have in strange sorry the problem of television like they were and Wakanda sorry yeah I know I keep going but there's so much out right but like with the
[01:16:29] infinity saga those strings just came together so well yeah you know I mean like I agree but everything they did had purpose and I feel like this doesn't have purpose like when Bucky lost the arm
[01:16:46] right yeah they sent him to Wakanda that connected Wakanda with everything right do you know what I mean yeah um but then you make a Wakanda movie without Chad right yeah yeah and then you bring in
[01:17:05] what's his name name or yeah you bring in Namor so Namor is now part of this universe right I mean these are huge characters I agree I mean and are we even dealing with Avengers anymore you know what I mean like well I mean and you have
[01:17:31] Ant-Man and Wasp I mean there's just it does the world's getting very big and if you want to make a movie in a world this big this big you have to have a huge villain bigger than doom I mean you got to have
[01:17:48] you're looking at like Galactus or the beyonder you have to look at world ending shit coming down right um if you want to make a movie that big with that many characters right but the other side of
[01:18:01] that is like you're talking about is there Avengers anymore well what's going to be the end result of Captain America New World Order right you know is is the new cap able to pull together because
[01:18:20] that's the thing like like you have to have that leadership that that's what Nick Fury counted on initially right was that that leadership of Cap and you know Tony Stark's bravado to kind of pull that team together right and who you gonna get now right because
[01:18:45] you've got rid of the two of them right but like his Falcon I don't think he is right I don't and that's the thing with Falcon is like this version of Falcon you know like yeah
[01:19:00] yeah um the movie yeah okay the movie fuck I don't see him being that guy I I don't see maybe that's what I don't I don't know maybe I just don't see him in that position
[01:19:18] right as leader I don't maybe because he was cap sidekick for so long right do I see Bucky in that position more so than Falcon but I just don't see him I just I it doesn't
[01:19:42] it doesn't translate in my mind right I don't know how us to describe it right I want Falcon saying okay tic tac you know what I mean like right I want him saying I'm on your left yeah I mean
[01:19:55] that's kind of that character that he is right I mean we'll have to see you know when the movie comes out right um but even in the series he wasn't but there was a but the point of the series was his
[01:20:09] struggle with that yeah no I know that like his struggle with the shield and what it represented is what made that series so good yeah I but still even after that series was done I just
[01:20:22] don't see him in the role yeah you know what I mean like I don't see him being cap you know I just or that captain America yeah red white you know what I mean right I just
[01:20:38] not red white blue but honesty and truth and yeah you know that right I get what you're saying yeah yeah fisticuffs yeah you know I just because he doesn't maybe because he doesn't have the abilities
[01:20:54] the cap had right maybe that's my problem with it you know yeah he could throw a shield yeah but this is all this is all tech yeah you know what I mean he's not superhuman he's not a
[01:21:06] super soldier right um maybe maybe that's what's going on in my mind that he's just not believable as a superhero like captain America right you know I mean you want some I don't know
[01:21:21] that's it's hard but that was also there's been so many leaders of the Avengers over the I mean like fucking um wasp was a was the leader of the Avengers at one point yeah do you know what I mean
[01:21:34] yeah but I can see her in that position I don't know if I can or not that was just for instance right but if it was Michelle Pfeiffer is Janet van Dyne that I could see yeah yes you know I mean I can
[01:21:58] see that too is Janet yeah well wasp or yeah however you want right but I would have a show of fight for his Janet van Dyne that works you know yeah um so you understand my struggle like I'm just
[01:22:14] not seeing him as and I get they're trying to portray him wanting to do the right thing all the time right you know and his struggles it did the series was excellent yeah I'm not going to take
[01:22:27] anything away from the series right I just don't know if I can see him in that role because the thing that Barron Zima Zima yeah the thing he pointed out is and it's true like almost every
[01:22:44] other person's been given the super soldier serum has become an awful human being except for Steve Rogers right so how can you count anybody being Steve Rogers right right yeah you know so that that's
[01:22:58] why like having Falcon be a non super soldier with the shield is important yeah you know I mean because that was the and he was right like every other person I mean even bucky yeah you you know
[01:23:13] but like so it's like that thing of like you're right though like you know the side of too is like I don't know how you can respect that guy right to be the leader
[01:23:23] you're exactly just from a fan sitting in the seats yeah right when you saw Steve Rogers on screen yeah when you saw cap yeah that was Captain America and when he spoke you listened
[01:23:37] did you know what I mean I mean cap tightened up the shield the broken shield on his arm right to take on the army of Thanos by himself correct I don't see Falcon doing no
[01:23:52] I don't either but I see Steve Rogers doing that exactly and I think that you need so and I can see and I can see Janet van dyme yeah creating a plan in order to attack
[01:24:09] right you understand what I mean and looking to her as right what do we do next you know but so but so who who in the Marvel universe he's like a grunt yeah I guess Steve Rogers was too yeah
[01:24:20] but so who in the Marvel universe is that person I don't know the answer to that who is the person who can pull everybody together like I don't even think I'm like the first thing I thought was
[01:24:34] well maybe it's strange me too I'm just gonna say that too but I just don't think that he can do that no he's too much of an asshole yeah well I'm being honest and also I mean he's
[01:24:48] corrupted by the Darkhold right like I just I don't know like I'm trying to think when he said scooby do that shit yeah but I mean that's that's strange now that's that's Dr. Strange right
[01:25:08] that's who we have you know yeah and I like strange oh yeah I like the character but he's just he's just too left field man yeah you know what I mean like he's yeah he's doing something
[01:25:28] you know but that was also the beauty of Dr. Strange like he was I mean like obviously they've allowed Cumberbatch to have a bit more of a sarcastic tone than in the comic books but
[01:25:42] still like I mean he was a bit of a prick in the comic books yeah you know so I mean like yeah you're right like we take scooby do that shit yeah but like so I don't see strange I see strange
[01:25:56] being part of a team yeah but I don't see him being lead I don't know yeah they also teased white vision yeah um sorry I was just another person I yeah I mean there's a ton of it out there like
[01:26:17] it's it's not going to be fury no so yeah I I don't know who steps in that role the person the only person I can think of that would even be that lead is not on that team which is Reed
[01:26:37] Richards yeah do you know what I mean because Reed Richards it was always them it was always Reed I mean it was always Reed Professor you know what I mean like right that group the leaders
[01:26:50] yeah they were not correct yeah well yeah yeah but I don't know I don't know it's not Thor no they did announce we're doing another four movie though all right yeah what's this one called
[01:27:09] I don't know yet but no no the key what hollow and they took him out he took him out yeah it's good I hope you get a little bit more of a
[01:27:24] like I understand like people want to Thor lightened up a little bit yeah but this is way too this is way too light yeah like and so I'm hoping they kind of bring him back to
[01:27:35] like it's tough to do because it's like well they've taken him through this arc yeah do you know what I mean right and so what do you have at the end of the arc what kind of person do you have left yeah
[01:27:50] you know what I mean like I don't know I don't know he's lost everything yeah so yeah do you know what I mean right I know what you mean so what is he doing
[01:28:02] yeah all right so before we uh we wrap things up um there was a Thanksgiving miracle this week for the first time since 1941 the Pittsburgh Steelers fired either a head coach or a coordinator the last time this was on 1941 Buddy Bell who was also a
[01:28:37] part owner fired himself yeah so but on Tuesday the Steelers fired Matt Canada uh he's no longer the head officer coordinator for the Steelers I'm I'm surprised they did it okay like just because
[01:28:58] like I said 1941 was the last time they made an in-season change of this nature yeah you know what I mean like it's do you think it was tall and it just had enough I might tall man said in his press conference it was my decision the rumor is
[01:29:23] it was mr Rooney's decision okay um you know who knows what the truth is I I think after Lou you when you lose 1310 to the Browns in what was one of the ugliest football games I have ever watched
[01:29:48] and I mean that from the standpoint of and that's just be perfectly clear like Cleveland's like dancing on our grave on the Steelers grave like they did something amazing all your quarterback did
[01:30:05] was put together one good drive in the fourth quarter when he needed to yeah like this wasn't like this amazing like you didn't blow us up you didn't you didn't you know this wasn't a beat
[01:30:17] down of epic proportions this was an ugly game from two bad teams right like this is if you love defensive football it was fantastic I do like defensive football but it was still a piss poor game right like neither offense like put up any sort of struggle right
[01:30:41] so like for the Browns fiends out there if you're listening like I ain't impressed right you know you can talk about you know yeah we you beat the Steelers you beat the Steelers you know so what
[01:30:53] we beat you week two yeah you know yeah it was just a bad game but I think the problem became like I mean I and I said this and I I firmly believe that there is a ton of miscommunication
[01:31:13] between the receivers and Kenny Pickett yeah like I don't know what it is but like that that one in the fourth in the final two minutes were picket through it down the field and what you're thinking
[01:31:25] oh shit somebody's open and there was nobody there no like do you want to jump like well I ran the ramp right route like so where's the miscommunication what like what hasn't happened right that like
[01:31:41] that he thought he should be going deep but you thought you should be running a curl right right you know so like it here's the real here's here's real life this the scheme doesn't change yeah like so these two guys are not coming in and putting
[01:32:05] in an entirely new offense this week it's impossible it can't be done yeah you're going to run the playbook you have the rest of the year yeah what you hope they can do is take that playbook
[01:32:20] and put it together in a way that makes more sense okay like you watch other teams and they build off of things like they run a play in the first quarter a certain way and they run that play again
[01:32:36] probably in the second quarter the same way and in the third quarter they run something completely different off of that same look so you're looking for one thing and you get something else
[01:32:44] you there's no building in the Steelers offense yeah they are not they're not running a system they're just running a series of plays yeah and so what you're hoping is they can take that playbook
[01:32:56] and and compile it in a way that you can build off of things and you you can so that when you do need that play all of a sudden when they're looking for a run to the left
[01:33:11] you're you're throwing you know a post to the right right and everybody you know you know because you're doing something off of the same look that you've done before but now here's something
[01:33:22] completely different off of that right or you what you can run the same play but running out out of different formations yeah you know i mean like there's a lot of stuff you can do like so like
[01:33:35] that that's your hope like that these guys because they took the running bass coach he's the offensive coordinator but the quarter bass coach whose whose name is mike solovan not to be confused with
[01:33:49] the head coach of the the penguins mike solovan yeah um but he's gonna be the guy calling the plays uh so he's gonna be the guy who's Kenny's ear he's the guy who's actually going to like take
[01:34:00] so these guys are gonna work together to formulate a game plan and then mike solovan's job is to execute that game plan call the plays for Kenny yeah i think at the end of the day again like the
[01:34:16] offensive sit the offense doesn't change the playbook doesn't change you hope they can do something a little different with it than that canada was because it it just always felt like he was just calling the play he wasn't calling he wasn't building anything and off of that you
[01:34:32] can't you just kind of have to hope like they do well like you know like they they you get some forward momentum and then like to me you fire everybody nice and you rebuild your entire
[01:34:48] offensive staff yeah because i told i don't think i told i don't think i said this on microphone but i said it to you and you like that was an amazing idea and there are people in pittsburgh
[01:35:01] who have mentioned this part of it and there are a lot of people in the media who poo poo it i would hire byron left which is the offensive coordinator first off you know he was a
[01:35:16] who's offensive coordinator under bruce arian's in tampa bay the stealers won super bowls under bruce arian's yeah that's the offensive coordinator here in pittsburgh yeah so to me bruce like having somebody who could run we could take that style of offense and implement it back
[01:35:35] in pittsburgh i think is the right mode byron left which is that guy the second reason is and i'm going to throw this up i would hire i would talk very hard to trolley batch about
[01:35:47] being the quarterbacks coach really yes because if you ever watched a stealer game when rothelsburg was the quarterback and either trolley batch or byron left which was his his backup quarterback when he came to the sidelines he didn't talk to the offensive coordinator he didn't talk
[01:36:07] to a quarterbacks coach the first person he he talked to was either byron left which or trolley batch yeah those were the guys he was talking to they saw the game the same way he saw
[01:36:21] the game yeah byron left which played the game the same way that ben did he was a big guy burly guy hard to bring down yeah so to me like they helped ben develop more than an offensive coordinator
[01:36:43] did probably more than a quarterbacks coach it those two guys probably helped develop ben into the hall of fame quarterback he's going to be yeah more than anybody else and so byron left which already had to coach in credentials he was the offensive coordinator in
[01:37:03] tampa bay he has a super bowl ring as an offensive coordinator yeah so like bringing him in makes the most sense to me because he can bring that's that that bruce arian's offense and
[01:37:16] that's been tweaked for a modern era yeah but then like i mean you need a quarterbacks coach and like to me trolley batch it just it's i never understood why trolley batch didn't go into
[01:37:31] coaching yeah because it seemed natural the way he talked to ben on the sidelines yeah you know i mean still like to me like those are the two guys i would left which for sure like but
[01:37:42] trolley batch is like a hope and dream to me yeah but left which for sure just because i think what you would what that would like if you remember that i mean that style of offense i mean that was down
[01:37:57] the field slinging it slinging it you know an athletic quarterback like can he pick it get him out of the pocket a little bit let him let him roll to his right and throw the ball down the field
[01:38:08] you know there are 101 things that you could do out of that offense that i mean even ta old man tom brady made that offense run yeah you know i mean so i feel like it's a situation where
[01:38:25] that would be the guy to me i see and now i mean the the media is talking like you don't you can't hire him because he's nothing more than a tall and yes man and maybe you're right
[01:38:42] but at the same time like i just i feel like like he they would develop you're looking who is the best person to develop can he pick it as a quarterback right because
[01:38:53] by firing can of midseason what you have said is you still believe in kenny pick it right right so who can best develop it well byron left which is the guy yeah i honestly believe that
[01:39:10] we'll see yeah but like for anybody who's out there thinking like oh they're gonna throw for 400 yards this week and they're gonna do that they're not right you know all you can hope for is that they can take that chicken shit yeah and make some chicken
[01:39:27] scratch out of it right you know maybe there's something very deep in that playbook that for whatever reason matt canna had no faith that they're gonna say okay let's just give this a try
[01:39:38] because we haven't tried it yeah and that's a bunch of plays where you're thrown to the middle of the field yeah you know i don't have even thrown them in all the field this year i i think
[01:39:50] you could probably look at maybe five to ten times yeah and even and that and the other thing is having kenny throw the ball one of the five yards down the field yeah like you've got
[01:40:03] i mean safeties were playing eight yards off the line is crazy right because you i mean warren hit that big run because the safeties were in so close yeah like once he got passed
[01:40:17] that like the second level there was nobody there right because everybody's playing in tight yeah it's good good run oh it was it was amazing run it's a great blocking down field yeah brother
[01:40:30] john said a nice block yeah but i mean like to me like it it's it's like if they're cheating up like that you've got to go start going down the field yeah like and like i i feel like like
[01:40:43] tommy and this is where i blame mike tommy i feel like it's like mike tommy's fault is probably he's probably telling matt canada he's probably telling kenny picket just don't turn over the
[01:40:52] ball yeah as long as we you don't turn over the ball we should our defense should win us games yeah you know well it's time it's time yeah like you know you've got to start taking shots you've
[01:41:10] got to start looking down field you've got to take risks right you know and you're gonna and you have to learn to live with mistakes yeah like that's part of like it's just
[01:41:24] it's part of having a young quarterback in the nfl all right not all of home or cj strad right you know i mean like he's an anomaly he's amazing do i wish i had him as a quarterback absolutely
[01:41:36] yeah you know i mean like but this deals are never in a position to draft that guy right and i'm i'm not gonna spend the draft equity to draft that guy because we're always having 500 right
[01:41:50] right but like i mean think about even when you drafted raffles burger you picked him 11th yeah like you're never ever gonna pick in the top five as a as a stealer right thank god yeah you know
[01:42:04] i mean like but but like the other problem becomes like so if you want that guy like if you if you want to go get bownecks uh from origan who's probably gonna be a fantastic professional quarterback
[01:42:18] you're gonna have to trade up and you're gonna have to spend draft equity and the stealers don't want to spend to get that far up in the draft right they're gonna want to stay back they don't want to spend their first round draft pick the next year right
[01:42:34] like because that's what it costs you it costs you like this year's first round draft pick and next year's first round draft pick are probably a third round draft pick this year a fourth round
[01:42:42] next like you're you're talking four draft picks to move up into the top five and get one of the top quarterbacks now if you think that's worth doing god bless you but the stealers don't yeah they never will yeah that's not their strategy no so
[01:43:04] but next year's draft will be chalk full of quarterbacks the kid from usc like i said bownecks from origan um drake from north carolina i think sam hartman from notary daven like there's going
[01:43:19] to be this will probably be one of the biggest and most heavy quarterback drafts ever okay because there are so many good ones that are finally becoming available right like yes the year can he pick a
[01:43:34] guy drafted he was the best one out of a a class of terrible quarterbacks yeah like those guys who want us to draft um melika i can't remember his name but with the tennessee yeah he he's a garbage
[01:43:48] like people are like oh you gotta draft him he's amazing he is trash yeah you know like there was nobody in that draft class who like made a difference yeah can you pick us the only one
[01:43:58] we've come close all right so i mean but like like i said like if you want to get one of those those those quarterbacks i just listed like man you know you better get up there yeah yeah
[01:44:17] the side note i watched at sanders oh did you yeah i heard it's very good it is it's real good really good yeah not only is he good but i enjoyed the clips as well oh yeah i mean
[01:44:32] washington holly's the very standard run is just ridiculous it was just so unbelievable he was he was like the way he just made people miss unreal yeah and his spin moves were incredible
[01:44:51] yeah he knew exactly when they spent you know to me like you wouldn't even like oh he's he's going down here and then he like he saw that guy out of the corner of his eye and was spin away yeah what the
[01:45:03] he would juke people like it was yeah but he's business yeah right out of shoes oh he was unbelievable anyway yeah it was a good it was a good show good documentary yeah a lot of interviews with him
[01:45:19] yeah which is he doesn't do no so there was a lot of interviewing with him and he went through the career yeah you know to and through the retirement yeah why you retire yeah you know maybe just done yeah
[01:45:36] it's good i also heard him talking about like part of it was also like waterpain was dying i didn't want to pass waterpain like that's impressive but that's who that's kind of what showed up in this thing
[01:45:49] yeah is like he didn't care about stats there was only one stat that he cared about 2 000 yards in one season yeah i think that was the stat that he wanted yeah like i i can't believe
[01:46:09] but he didn't care he was not a show but no he did not he never spiked the ball you ever did a referee yeah right the only person i've ever seen do that is Larry Fitzgerald yeah
[01:46:19] like other than like guys from like the 60s yeah that was like Barry Sanders now he was respectful he didn't he didn't he wasn't like prime time no is what i'm saying
[01:46:29] no i'm not close but he was the absolute opposite yeah complete opposite and he did not want he cared he cared about the team and winning yeah that's all he cared about yeah you know what i mean
[01:46:40] like it was very very humble guy yeah very humble guy i've always gotten that from him in like the few like when you do see him interviewed and something or when he's talking like he just come like
[01:46:53] you know that he won the show his dad he was the greatest running back of all time because his dad thought it was uh jim brown well they rated it yeah his dad said top three running backs
[01:47:03] jim brown himself yeah and bairie sanders yeah yeah i anything his dad's kind of was kind of a mess but yeah but still you know they even had to sit down the thing at a table with his kids yeah
[01:47:23] and they were a girl on them on some of this stuff yeah which i liked yeah you know yeah but yeah he was just like the most humble guy ever yeah he had a chance in college or was it
[01:47:36] hi i think it was college no it wasn't an oklah I don't know or when was high school i don't remember he had a chance to break this like amazing record yeah and he said no but the
[01:47:53] younger guys didn't let them do that yeah he was like i don't know 10 yards i think it was an Oklahoma State was that a good thing he was like nah just let's let them play yeah i'm good
[01:48:03] you know like who does that yeah but that's kind of how I guess he was his whole career yeah he just didn't it's all about team yeah plus a lot of what happened too he explained like through the agency
[01:48:18] and stuff is he lost all his friends pretty much yeah like his offensive line he lost like a lot of people yeah then he talked to on that team and like it was just I think he was like
[01:48:28] last man standing almost yeah and it was like I think that's what he hung it up yeah done you know when you go from plus you know all those years of losing like being the best player in the
[01:48:44] NFL like by far I still think he's one of the best running backs of all time oh yeah he's in my top three never he's just like to me it's Peyton it's brown it's Barry Sanders and then like you know
[01:49:02] fourth was probably I'm it yeah he was just so good yeah and it's a shame yeah then he went to Detroit yeah I hate to say that but no it is I mean like it's like it's like that thing of like
[01:49:19] with Larry Fitzgerald if Larry Fitzgerald played anywhere else in his career he would have been a superstar right he's been on you know cereal boxes and in commercials instead he was in Arizona yeah he played for like 20 different quarterbacks in his career some shit you know some ridiculous
[01:49:37] statistic like it wasn't the situation of just like he was just he was the best receiver in the NFL but he's in the wrong place to be the best receiver and the one time he got to shine I mean
[01:49:53] he that that his his run that year they went to the Super Bowl against the Steelers was one of the greatest runs ever yeah like even like him in this I was at peace when he scored that touch
[01:50:07] on against the Steelers to take the lead yeah I was at peace because I was like well at least Larry gets a ring yeah you know like you know I mean like it's odd as that is to say like because like if
[01:50:17] the Steelers lose to anybody else I would have been pissed but because it was Larry Fitzgerald and it's not even he was a pit guy even I did get to see him play in college in person that was
[01:50:27] amazing yeah but the fact just the fact that it was like he's such a good dude like I can forgive this yeah you know and I thank God the Steelers won the win that Super Bowl
[01:50:40] you know but still like that was like the one guy I could honestly say like if I if we lose and Larry gets a ring I'm kind of okay with that yeah but like best player in the league by far
[01:50:54] just a horrible team to be on yes you know and it's a shame and I can see it on the Hall of Fame but like it's like how many people didn't see the greatness of Larry Fitzgerald right and
[01:51:06] it's the same with Detroit like I mean they weren't on national TV all the time because they're the lions you know so like when you got to see me was like Thanksgiving yeah you know and they did go
[01:51:18] to they went to the playoffs I think once more than that I thought like I remember one playoff run and they went out in the first round I went in those wild card and they went to a championship
[01:51:30] game they're dead I could have swore we'll have to look it up sometime but yeah I'm pretty sure they went to a championship game okay maybe that's maybe that's the year they lost to the Redskins I'm
[01:51:43] getting my I think I think you're right yeah which they should have been they were having a good year but I'm sorry the team from Washington yeah I apologize for using that word but but yeah I think you're right if they lost to the Redskins yeah
[01:52:00] then I think it just started falling apart after that yeah yeah because I mean that's like you know they that's when they drafted Rodney Pete or not Rodney Pete um I can't remember anything he was
[01:52:14] from Houston he played at Houston and uh when did Charlie play there Charlie played there in the late 90s wasn't late 90s early 2000s because uh I can't I can't remember who allisted him
[01:52:38] but it was like that's it I mean like Charlie Batch was never meant to be a starting quarterback I guess you know he went to Eastern Michigan yeah um Wayne Fonz was there yeah Wayne Fonz was
[01:52:49] the court was the the head coach when when Barry Sanders was there yeah but they fired him out like he was like that guy who like they kept like it staked the first half of the season then he
[01:53:02] come back the second half of the season and like either just missed the playoffs or squeak in you know but like they ran at run and shoot offense they ran the silver stretch offense you know like they were innovative from the standpoint of like because Barry didn't
[01:53:20] like having a full back right like they were innovative and like you know we're gonna run three wide receivers and a tight end yeah like that was like the first time people started like
[01:53:29] really running as like their base offense then they went to the full run and shoot four wide receivers because they brought in Miles Davis as the offensive coordinator but uh but I mean all what
[01:53:42] was really meant to do was just spread the field as much as you can so Barry had room to run yeah and boy did he run yes he did
[01:53:52] anyway so it was good yeah he had a chance for it I will all right all right anything else you like to add to the proceedings then sir no I'm good all right well remember there are a number of
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