Whacky Box Office & Epic Movie Misfires Part 2 (with JJ & Tom again!)

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[00:00:55] [SPEAKER_05]: We continue the trend of better on paper ideas as well as just movies not as bad as they're

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_05]: made out to be, but we're just too ambitious or wrong crowds. We got plenty of other movies

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_05]: that are duds, but you have to see them just for the imagination behind it even though

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_05]: the story and acting, you know, just distracting its usual partners in crime, JJ and Tom.

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, slowly there's all kinds of stuff here to just kind of just flesh out and remember,

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_05]: hey, you know, if you think today's world's hostile, there was always some kind of just

[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_05]: I hope they fell mentality with some messed up studio systems.

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_06]: I remember back in the early 80s as a younging, a little boy, you know, taken to the movies

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_06]: all the time by his parents or his neighbors. I was set. I was made to sit and watch Xanadu.

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, no. Okay.

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_05]: The one that Jin K. was like, I will never work on a movie like that is like,

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_05]: break the man and cut away from all the dancing, which is the reason why we're here.

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_06]: It's kind of it was like, okay, Livy Newton, John, she's the hot property at the moment.

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_06]: You've got Michael Beck from the Warriors who said, and I quote,

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_06]: the Warriors opened a lot of doors for me and Xanadu closed them for me.

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_06]: You've got Gene Kelly making an appearance with his toupee.

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_06]: And I think he plays a character. He played in a movie beforehand or something like that.

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Because there's a part where there was somebody read like his character was supposed to be

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_06]: from another movie or like where the same thing happened.

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_06]: And you've got a great setup. One of the muses comes to Earth.

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_06]: He was definitely ahead.

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, the ELO is like, I'm sorry, but ELO is one of those bands of the 70s that's going to be

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_06]: known as the band that really did bring rock and roll production back into the forefront of

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_05]: album making. Absolutely. The partnerships, just looking forward to putting on a show.

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_06]: And it came out and this is the thing. The soundtrack was great. The movie?

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, not that good. And I kind of look back at it. You've got to realize who's in that movie too.

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_06]: It's the Tubes. Remember the Tubes? Oh yeah, a great band.

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_06]: He weighed Bill and Vince Welkman. Vince Welnick from Grateful Dead who played

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_06]: keyboards for the Grateful Dead. They're in that movie. And I'm like, holy shit,

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_06]: the Tubes were pretty good. But it's like that. And then there's another movie that came out from

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Golden Globe is called The Apple. Yes, I'm so glad you were going to mention that when you

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_06]: announced it because... That's been the curve. That's been like the...

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Here comes the order. They're going to take Xanad out. Here comes The Apple out of the

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_06]: bullpen. That movie, I tried watching it and...

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it's like an overdose to the senses.

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_06]: And I will say this, Catherine Marie Stewart kind of came down to that unscathed

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_06]: and you have Josh Ackland in it who was the voice of General Wormwood in Watership Down.

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_06]: And there's Miriam Margolis who played Professor Sprout in Harry Potter.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_06]: But I don't remember... I kind of remember the guy who played the bad guy, was a bond bad guy.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_06]: And the guy who was the lead actor was like... I mean, he was just so vanilla.

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_06]: And supposedly, I think they gave out cassette tapes that night of the soundtrack and people

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_06]: were taking them and throwing them at the screen. That's not good.

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, that's how bad it was. The preview was like the years 1994 and it's supposed to be

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_06]: like these two rosy cheeks, apple pie innocent kids get corrupted by the music industry.

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh no, I just meant you don't buy the chemistry either because you're just like...

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Chemistry is kind of like... and it's supposed to be like a tale like she becomes this decadent,

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_06]: sexed up rock and roller. And he's basically down on his luck.

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_06]: And it's like it's the music's forced and there's all these analogies to God and the

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_06]: devil and all this shit. And I'm like, okay, all right. I'm tapping out here folks.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's funny how the Glovis thought this people were gonna eat it up and just like...

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_06]: You gotta realize that that era was the era of Tommy, you know, Sargent Pepper.

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_06]: All of them can't stop the music.

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Can't stop them. Oh, there's another one.

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, there's another one. I just went... I just went... I heard the brakes hitting the car crash.

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Tom was that the only movie? Was that the movie like they made so much hype for

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_06]: like the guy Alan Carr who was the producer, he made so much hype for it

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_06]: and it just fell flat on its face?

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_06]: I want to say yes.

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_05]: It's definitely in the top five cannon bombs because while it has a crowd sense,

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_05]: it was still one of those where just people didn't know how to react to it and Glovis thought it was

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_05]: so just second nature is like not really. I really don't know what to talk about.

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, who was Nancy Walker directed it?

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_06]: And it was the Village People Valerie Perrine Bruce...

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Now, Pete Lynn Jenner. Bruce Jenner was in it.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_08]: Steven Sidney Lamay directs.

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. So it's Nancy Walker. Nancy Walker directed.

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, then can't stop the music?

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. Yeah, she did can't stop the music.

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_05]: When you look at your musical, I'm probably thinking of the Wiz.

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. I got sorry.

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_06]: It's okay. It's all right.

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_06]: The Wiz was good. I like the Wiz and I think it was cool.

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, yeah, but everyone else seems to just if they're not,

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_05]: they just seem to just want to act like if it's current we must defend it.

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_05]: But if it's older, oh, I got what it deserved.

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, do you hear yourself right now?

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Anything deserves a second chance unless you just absolutely felt like your time was just wasted.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_05]: You know?

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, the thing with the Wiz was that they had such a proven cast.

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_06]: You had Michael Jackson, Diana Ross. You had Lena Horne.

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_06]: You had Richard Pryor as the wizard.

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, it's a great thing to watch.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Really is.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_06]: And it kind of brought Black musicals out from the whole, you know,

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_06]: there hadn't been a Black musical in like I don't know how many years.

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_06]: That's a good point.

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, this was a musical that had like, you know, come on, ease on down, ease on down the road.

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_06]: And there was no, there was no bad stereotypes.

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, it wasn't like.

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_06]: No time wasted either.

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_06]: It literally.

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_06]: The closest I could think of was Cabin in the Sky.

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Do you remember that one from the 40s?

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_06]: There's a big one.

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_06]: This was, you know, and there had been such a big jump in the 30 years from that,

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_06]: you know, but you got to think too like you got what was he got the Apple, Xanadu.

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_06]: You can't stop the music.

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Sergeant Pepper's Only Hearts Club band, which I think deserves a show unto itself.

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Because if you ever read the stories about how Stig would just friggin jump that like, you know,

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_06]: like stink on shit.

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_06]: And then there's another movie that came out called All This in World War Two,

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_06]: which was the, which was Beagle songs done by other artists with footage from like World War

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Two and all that shit.

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_06]: And it was like, are you freaking kidding me?

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_06]: You know,

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm saying in propaganda with what kind of.

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, it was just.

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_06]: There's a story about Sergeant Pepper.

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_06]: I've always kind of cracked up about.

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_06]: And this is this is something I read in a book.

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_06]: First off, if you guys ever watch it, you know, Billy Preston things get back, right?

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_06]: They were going to have Paul McCartney show up and sing Get Back.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_06]: And he looked at the script and he went, no, thank you, bye.

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_06]: And then supposedly at the end, Stig would was going to have them sing the big finale,

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_06]: you know, Sergeant Pepper's Only Hearts Club band and the screen goes black

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_06]: and you just see a stage set up and the Beatles come out on stage and play.

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_06]: And I think George and John and Paul were kind of like, no, we're not doing this.

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Ringo was like, all right, but if they're not doing it, I'm not doing it, you know,

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_06]: because they just, I think Paul saw the movie.

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_06]: I think Paul and George saw the movie because they were like, this is shit,

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_06]: you know, as much as the BGs were loved and as much as Peter Phelps was.

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_06]: And that's a movie that I know almost ruined somebody's career because Steve Martin was in it.

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_06]: He doesn't say that was his first movie.

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_08]: No, he never did.

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_06]: He's just, the jerk was his first movie.

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_06]: And they were going to get, what was, they were going to get kissed to play the,

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_06]: you know, the villainous future band or whatever they call it, FDB, Future Villainous Band.

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_06]: And Gene Simmons is looking at the script and says, wait a minute,

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_06]: we got to lose to Peter Frampton and the BGs.

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Pass.

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Pass.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_06]: And they got Aerosmith, of course, Aerosmith looks like coped up and out of their,

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_06]: coped up to their eyeballs, you know, and they do a great version of Come Together.

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_06]: But I was kind of like, you know, I like watching it.

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_06]: It's fun.

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_06]: It kind of brings back the spirit of 67, but sometimes

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_06]: you go to the, you go to the wellspring of some, some rock and roll bands and the Beatles,

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_06]: you know, God bless them to the greatest rock and roll band of all time.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_06]: But don't try to, you know, don't try to make a movie around an album that,

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_06]: you know, we'll have characters after songs.

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you know.

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Boy.

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_05]: And I think what we're learning even still with musicals today,

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_05]: cats, thank you much is just that so many people will

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_05]: I know it's the most unwatchable thing in quite some time, but

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_05]: like I know some people who watch it just for fun, but I can't.

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_05]: It's just too annoying.

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_05]: But it's just kind of getting to that point where I'm just like,

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_05]: these guys, you can always tell when no one has read the script.

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_05]: If that's all you're getting.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I got a few other sci-fi ones first here before we really go.

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_05]: All together, I mean, it's just kind of funny how you don't really know until it's too late

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_05]: how much of it is based on, you know, it didn't make any money but had nothing to do with the movie.

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, we've seen all kinds of stuff on the top bottom 100 that,

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_05]: you know, I've seen like Anna be real, I think is decent music drama,

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_05]: but it just didn't have a budget.

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_05]: And obviously, you know, we talked to death about several sequels.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_05]: There's still plenty of others out there and there's just too many.

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_05]: So I'll just mention the biggest offenders.

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, we got Jaws Freeing for, we got just the Star Wars sequel.

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_06]: I like Jaws 4.

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Wow.

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_05]: First time.

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_06]: I will say this though, the more I watch the more I'm like, why the fuck did they make it?

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_05]: But you know, oh damn.

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_06]: I like what Mike Keen had at best.

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_06]: I never saw Jaws 4, but I saw the house that it bought.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh yeah.

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Martin and Peebles and Company are trying to carry the movie when he's not on screen.

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, we got some other reboots and everything that just seemed to vary.

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_05]: I know we're iffy on Star Wars, but I'm mainly iffy on like

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_05]: even just other stuff like the new Halloween reboot trilogy, Jurassic World, Terminator

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Genesis.

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_05]: This is the second to last one.

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_05]: That one just pissed me off because it was like when you mess with time travel,

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_05]: all you do is create more of a public series.

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Has anybody seen the Flash movie yet?

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Or are you gonna see the Flash movie?

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I have not, but I'm told by Fandom Podcast Network that it is a good looking hot mess.

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_05]: So definitely wait for Cable if you have anything.

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_08]: All right.

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Superman Returns.

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_05]: I noticed everyone's kind of mixed on and then there's a bunch of just different remakes like

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Get Carter and Solaris that just kind of just really pissed so many off because they're just

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_05]: like, why did you mess with a great movie?

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm gonna see this.

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_06]: So I'll, okay.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm sorry, Tom.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Go ahead.

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm gonna say I'm gonna spend Get Carter.

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_07]: I actually love that movie.

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I'm in luck because it's the long decisions that are pretty underrated too.

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_05]: It's been a minute since I've seen it.

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, but it is so well done.

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_07]: I think you were so well done.

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_07]: Mickey Rourke plays an amazing scumbag.

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm doing for a rewatch.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_05]: I'll try and give it another chance.

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_05]: I just recall just saying, you know, speaking of Michael Cain is like, ah, the original was so fun.

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_05]: I will give it another go.

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm, that director did actually go on to bigger stuff like Yellowstoneville or not.

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_05]: And I guess we could talk about, we talked about the Lone Ranger last time,

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_05]: but obviously it's not as bad as the 2013 one.

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_05]: No, I'd have 20% on like every movie site and I saw it and it was kind of a slow burn kind of like

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_05]: both lost in space and the old one, Pliny Days where I was like, what the fuck did I just

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_05]: watch?

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_05]: And then just the more I'm thinking about it, the more I'm like, I want my time back.

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I want my time back.

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I really want my time back.

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Motherfucker, I want my time back.

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_05]: And yeah, it just kind of got to that point where it's just, I mean, even with 13 ghosts and

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_05]: ghost ship was like, ah, I like you guys' work on Tulsa and the trip.

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_05]: How did this get made?

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_05]: And why is it just so confusing?

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_06]: House on Haunted Hill, the same way, you know?

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I thought that one has.

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_06]: I thought that I mean, the remake, the remake was not that bad.

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, to have Jeffrey Rush do the Vincent Christ part.

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_06]: But it was like, it was like, I really was like pining for the original, you know?

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Because Vincent Christ is just really good at, you know, you know what's going to happen later,

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_06]: don't you?

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, just that creepiness in him, you know?

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_05]: That aura, yeah.

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_05]: I'll say when the 2000s hit though, like my mind was just lever-gassed at just how

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_05]: many movies you could tell didn't make any bank.

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Because usually it's like they would disappear slowly from theaters.

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Like I'd see a few simple thriller that had mixed reviews.

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_05]: There was one that really stood out to me, traps starting a very young Charlie

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Sleron and Kevin Bacon was playing again, playing a psycho.

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_05]: But then there were even just other ones like, oh, free.

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_05]: There was a lot of hits.

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_05]: But then there was just infamously just movies that

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_05]: like didn't know what they were.

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Like Tommy Wiseau's classic, so to speak, The Room.

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_05]: And then virtually just like that, like Jiggly, where everyone is so afraid to

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_05]: even see it because the reviews are just like even crowds are like don't ever

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_05]: see it.

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_05]: It doesn't make any sense.

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_05]: And Martin Breast, great director and apparently revealed in a Playboy interview

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_05]: years later that the movie was taken away from him because Sony wanted more

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_05]: to play on the Boyds.

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm like, and it is one of those movies.

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Hey, if you really want to cut away just any bullshit, it might have been an OK

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_05]: dark comedy, but because everyone is just so fucking irritating and Puccino

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_05]: and Walken really don't connect to any of the supposedly deleted storyline.

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_05]: You're just when I saw it, like I was just flabbergasted.

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Like I saw like two ads for it.

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_05]: And then the following week, I fucking kid you not.

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe it was a month, but it wasn't fought.

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_05]: No, it was actually next week coming to Stars and on court.

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_05]: I was like, oh yeah, I was in a theater.

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_06]: And then brought it right, right to, right to on court.

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_06]: They won better.

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_06]: I'll give you one better.

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_06]: X versus X versus seven.

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Remember that?

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_06]: X versus seven.

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_06]: That movie, I just, I just saw it and it was like, oh, this is going to look

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_06]: well.

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_06]: It's like a cool movie.

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_06]: And then it's like all of a sudden it was like, wait, was it just out?

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_06]: I remember going into blockbuster like two months later, it was out on DVD.

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_05]: And here's a connection.

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_05]: So that was franchise pictures, you know, Andrew Stevens, the Stella Stevenson who ran

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_05]: all kinds of stuff.

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, he was pretty much doing his version of just canon films.

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, yeah, but I'm glad you brought up Ballistic.

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I did have the honor talking to the director who confirmed a lot of the

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_05]: what he's done in every interview since they took it away from them.

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_05]: They wanted to make it too much like Matrix.

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_05]: And so I do hope one of these days, you know, you can enjoy it in a fun Jim

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Cotta Jason Bourneway, but it would or Power Rangers, dare I say, but I would

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_05]: like to see a cut of it.

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Just take out all the extra music, take all the other stuff and just

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_05]: focus on all the dark conspiracy shit.

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_05]: You'll get, you'll enjoy the performances way more.

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, franchise, they weren't done with that day after producing

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_05]: a lot of direct to video shitty Seagull movies and some other

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_05]: HBO world premieres.

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_05]: They try they were helping out David Mamet with some projects he wanted.

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_05]: He they help him out with highs.

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_05]: That's a decent modest success with Gene Hackman.

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Jane DeVito, then they followed up with Spartan and that was the second time.

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I had heard of Ballistic, but it just kind of fizzled for me.

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, yeah, it looks like a fun mindless action movie.

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_05]: This one comes out like, oh man, Volcano is on fire.

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_05]: I know he's a pain in the ass, but he's a good actor.

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's a great dynamite movie.

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_05]: I just it, but it wasn't long from now.

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_05]: I went straight to HBO after that, like after two weeks.

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_05]: It was the best rated movie that was literally gross 12 bucks or something ridiculous.

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_05]: It just they didn't know how to market it.

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, it's a spy movie.

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_05]: How can you not market that?

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Here's a movie.

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Here's a movie that didn't do well in there and picked up a cult following.

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Just just bang bang.

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, Shane Byron.

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_05]: And to just even well written.

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_05]: You have Chris.

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Who's good to the.

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah.

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Two good leads in it.

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm firing that and Kilmer definitely is really good at that because he

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_05]: he plays against type.

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_05]: He plays against type and you wait for him and you love how he you just see how he just

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_05]: convinces down into man up.

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's kind of like how Dolomites almost a side parallel to Eddie Murphy's career.

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_05]: It's almost kind of parallel.

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Very meadow with Downey's time at his point where Joel Silver was like the only friend he had left.

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_06]: And he made that they made that movie and I was like, okay, Downey's got some traps.

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe if he takes to it, you know, he'll do better.

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_06]: So like and then like four years, five years later, he's doing frigging Ironman.

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_06]: I cannot believe they almost wanted Tom Cruise.

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_05]: That would have been awful.

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, and well, let's go back a little bit because you have to remember there were

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_06]: some movies that came out in the late 90s, early 2000s that kind of got buried in the shuffle.

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_06]: One that always comes up to me is Waterworld and that came out in 96, I think, right?

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_05]: And apparently on the recent Blu-ray, which has

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_05]: it's probably the best fan edit ever.

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_05]: That's crazy where you got all these fans who took the TV edits and extended scenes and

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_05]: remastered them and put it back into the main movie.

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_05]: So it's but apparently on the documentary on the Blu-ray, they revealed that the set didn't

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_05]: actually sink. But enough now shit talking spread. Everyone was like, it's a bomb, literal.

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_06]: It was one of those movies where everybody was going, it's gonna tank.

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_06]: And you know, people were going, well, how bad is it gonna tank?

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_06]: And it was like, let's think for a minute.

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay. It's Kevin Costner. He has, you know, he's playing a fish man.

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Who say everything that he says.

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_06]: I, you know, got Dennis Hopper in it, you know, it's kind of an imperfect version of

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_05]: if you think about it like hoppers practically still in Blu-velvet speed mode.

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, David Twyye, I feel like he reused a lot of that in those Riddick movies he made

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_05]: just the whole just anti hero with a supernatural like human enhancement mutation.

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. Yeah. And then what, what the neck like a couple years later, you know, I went to go see

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Independence Day, right? And

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_06]: At least it wasn't the sequel.

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, no, no. But if you remember a lot of people went to go see Independence Day,

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_06]: if I remember correctly, they were like, hey, there's a surprise before the movie.

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_06]: And we're like, what? My friend goes, yeah, there's a surprise before the movie.

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_06]: I think you'll like it. And it was the trailer for the special editions of Star Wars.

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Everybody cheered. Then the minute they put Independence Day on everybody got everybody

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_06]: shut up, you know, but here's another one that that that.

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_06]: What flash Gordon?

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_06]: No, no, no, no, I'm not going to say flash Gordon because flash Gordon to me

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_06]: is a well is a film.

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not bashing that or the book Roger's movies. I just mean that like it was at that time, like

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah, film history book was like the worst movie ever. I'm like, and who you quote?

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_07]: No. I think I think I'll tell you who you're quoting last femurs.

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Um, the thing that that to me kind of sank Dean Devlin and Roland Emmerich was Godzilla.

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes. Great soundtrack.

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Great soundtrack.

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_05]: A f***ing movie.

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_06]: A f***ing movie.

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, and and I mean, I've seen all the most of the Godzilla films. I saw the

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_06]: I saw Godzilla and Godzilla with Raven Burr.

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I've seen the 2000 more where they actually had the Zilla creature get

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_05]: destroyed by the real Godzilla.

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. Yeah. I was I was that I was at a friend's house. We were watching it and

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_06]: he's like, dude, you got to see this part. And I'm like, what is this?

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_06]: So Zilla comes out and it's like, God, so it just looks out and goes, yeah, right.

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_05]: When they first announced that while I wasn't a fan of the movie, I just sounded very

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_05]: mean nature. But blow it and behold, it was very witty in terms of how it played out.

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_05]: And it actually played some wacky Japanese rock music during that.

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_05]: I was like, yes, I'll take it. It's not like they're it's not like

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_05]: the only thing worse when you accept supposedly non canon reality is just pretty much just

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_05]: dick slap it even more is like that's beating a dead horse. I don't want to be reminded of

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_05]: this awful thing, you know, it would be like generally if you brought the 2001 Planet of

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_05]: the Age and try to fix it, you can't fix it, but you brought it into the canon Planet

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_05]: of the Age formula. It would be like what the fuck do you think?

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. This one, it somehow worked enough because the movie is just so campy and

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_05]: the filmmakers had some visually stunning as well as just witty guys without being intrusive.

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_06]: So yeah. And I think I think the thing was to like when you look at monster movies, nobody

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_06]: was making big monster movies. No, they were afraid of themselves for like we can't do better than

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_05]: you know all these movies were importing from overseas. But you gotta think too also like

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_06]: remember they did 76 they did King Kong and they they they they they bring in King Kong lives right

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_06]: and then they do Godzilla Godzilla in 1958. And then they do Godzilla Returns and they do the same

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_06]: goddamn thing they did with Raymond Burr in the first movie, they chop him in the movie.

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh my God, he's destroying Tokyo. Yeah. Oh my God, he's destroying the city.

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_05]: I thought it was a black and white solid but it has not held up in repeat

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_05]: viewings just because no like you say just the characters are just weak sauce and

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_05]: the movie goes on way too long even for a Godzilla movie. I know most of them are

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_05]: two and a half hours like James Bond but we just don't have that patience anymore unless

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_05]: we just have to fond memories and we can just you know excuse it. And speaking of James Bond

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_06]: there's one movie that almost killed the series in the 70s and that is Movin Raker.

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I cannot watch it. I can't watch it because

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_06]: if you watch this The Spy Who Loved Me right? Remember how you say James Bond will be back

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_05]: when I saw. That was on the most and I just was like see this is why people like Bond he has a

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_05]: cool car he's naughty. He's got into a window it's fun. If you watch it 76 he does they do

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_06]: The Spy Who Loved Me right? Right. And it says at the end James Bond will be back in for your

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_06]: eyes only. Okay so Star Wars comes along Cubby Broccoli says hey you know what I'm gonna

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_06]: make them we're gonna take the movie Movin Raker and put James Bond in outer space.

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_06]: We're gonna say hello to everyone. Fuck were you thinking you know I mean it's like okay but

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_05]: no to Spilberg Direct but we're still gonna rip off his buddy Lucas so that's why I'm always glad

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_05]: you know because Indiana Jones stands so well on its own two feet but then when you realize

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_05]: is like this is their revenge against Bond producers not giving him a chance against

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_05]: their favorite characters like yeah that is kind of shitty. But I mean the movie is just like

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_05]: my god. Don't call it action if there's action only in the last 20 seconds and it's all just

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_05]: pew pew crapola. Yeah if it's like that yeah. If I want that I'll have space mutiny because

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_06]: that's at least amusing. Yeah at least you know there's a little more there's a little more

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_06]: character but you know you have Jo-Aus on this on the on the space station with the geeky

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_06]: looking girl who is really hot in real life. Oh you got Lois Childe Lois Childe's playing Dr.

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Holly Goodhead and that name so much and here's here's a funny thing. Migo put out the James Bond

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_06]: figures for Moon Raker. Yes they did. Yes so they had Jo-Aus I think Drax Bond and then they had

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Dr. they converted Dr. Holly Goodhead they just put Dr. Holly on there because you know if it was

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_06]: like Dr. Oh what does that mean by good head? Oh I will hold but yeah Moon Raker as your parents

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_06]: or don't Moon Raker to me like was just you know a shit deal you know just like my father my

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_06]: parents and me went to go see it and I was like at 79 so it's about four years old

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_06]: you know it's James Bond what do you know JJ loves James Bond let's go see you know let's go

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_06]: watch it and my mother and my father were watching it and we were like okay the cool thing is

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Shirley Basie's doing the uh the theme song good song okay fine. Yeah uh

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_06]: and then no who wrote who wrote the song I think Leslie Brickus and

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_06]: okay the other guy wrote but she's saying she's one of the first she's one of the first leads to

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_06]: three Bond songs yep Shirley Basie said you had a right and then and uh

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_06]: you know it was like okay we'll put Bond in outer space it'll be fun you know Star Wars everybody

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_06]: loves Star Wars let's go let's go put James Bond in outer space and they didn't realize is that

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_06]: people didn't want to see James Bond in outer space no and people want to see James Bond in his

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_06]: waltz with his walth or three walth or ppk you know that's why when they did for your eyes only

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_06]: it was more grittier yes more downer that's why it was like it was like wait what movie

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_06]: what movie is for this okay now don't worry about it you know

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_07]: now there is one movie that that I absolutely loved from the 80s

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_07]: a sci-fi goes that um I really enjoyed but I don't think too many other people did

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_05]: the movie called time writer yeah with Peter Coyne oh god yeah there you go that's a good one

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_06]: it's better than timeline the adventures of wild swan time writer yeah yeah red ward

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_06]: and uh Richard Mazer and I think Peter Coyote who else was who played Peter Coyote was in it

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_06]: and produced by my favorite monkey Michael Nessmith and um I go off on a little bit of

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_07]: attention here I um I read a piece by PJ O'Rourke who'd actually done written with

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_07]: Mike Nessmith's team on this oh yeah and it came out that Mike came up with the idea for time writer

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_07]: on while doing this while doing this this race yeah 500 yes there's the one all right

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_07]: but in either case it was like I'm not sure why more people don't like this it is

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean granted it was I it was probably for the time but yeah exactly but um it was so good

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_07]: and I still remember seeing to this day even though I hadn't seen it for decades

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_07]: I still remembered certain scenes because they were so visually stunning that

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_06]: they just stuck out to me yeah there's good stuff there's a now you're speaking of Fred Ward

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_06]: there's another movie that he did that yeah Fred Ward god bless him um Fred Ward did called

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_05]: um Remo Williams the adventure begins yes spy movie and like people are just always

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_05]: unkind to spy movies I don't know why only Jason Bourner I think that movie is to me a

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_06]: parallel onto its own because you have um the great story of you know the guy who's you know

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_06]: he's a cop he's selected by these you know the shadow organization that's going after another

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_06]: shadow organization and they're the good guys and they're trying to you know stop um this guy for

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_06]: him like you know ruling the world or something like that and you know he's trained by Joe Gray

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_06]: who you know just want to just want to lifetime Tony award the other night um and I

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_06]: you know you know they make they make Joe Gray look like he's like Korean and I love the fact that

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_06]: he his name is Chung and he's the master of Sinonju and you know Fred Ward you know god bless

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_06]: him Fred Ward was so good in that movie you know he should have done better he should have done

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_06]: better yeah that should have kept going because those destroyer novels I mean the guy who wrote

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_06]: him it's kind of a little was a little bit of a right-wing nutcase but they were really it was

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_05]: really fun to watch that as we do you know it's it's kind of like the hunted that one freaking

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_05]: movie with Tommy Lee Jones and Vinicio Dottoro yeah same kind of deal where they just got this guy

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_05]: claimed he knew things and freaking was mad enough to believe all his bullshitting like

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah this sounds like a guy doing Rambo cosplay in the woods but they used to mess with

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_05]: supervisor on the movie fun movie but same kind of deal is just like spy movies just

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_05]: generally always had a user score and just made okay money and just shit reviews it's just like

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_05]: that's a sub genre that really does need some fun it just gets annoying when you have to tell people

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_05]: hey you know it doesn't always have to be a revenge movie it can be it can be more than

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_05]: just even the equalizer John Wick it can also be all kinds of other just cool assassin mayhem

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_05]: it should be spied but it is sure is definitely the worst spy movie ever made

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_07]: it could be spied like us or top secret yep

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_06]: or uh or uh what's the other one that I love that's like it's so off the wall it's like well um

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_05]: shadow conspiracy do you ever see that one it's like hot shots no it's in on the joke

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_05]: and Linda Hamilton Charlie Sheen run away from a bunch of assassins hired by the president's

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_05]: secretary and is just crazy it's not as bad as White House down now that was bad oh my god

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_06]: now I'm gonna say this about Ishtar yeah if you watch it now it's funny if you watch it then

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_06]: you didn't get the joke and the joke was here are two guys

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Warren Beatty and Dustin Hoffman who are playing losers

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[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_06]: stopped directing after that she's done some great movies you know um but with ish chart it was

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_06]: like the word of mouth had gotten around yep but when you watch it you're laughing hysterically

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_06]: because here's it's like they're like Abed and Costello you know they're they're they're

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_06]: two of the biggest stars in the history of movies i do like her okay in that movie i will give you

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_06]: that yeah and Isabella Ajani is in it too that's right yeah she plays the operative that they meet

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_05]: and um the guy playing the cia guy trying to kill him was weird and I think that's what just

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_06]: railed it for me you know it's like it's like that movie now you look at they're like people have

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_06]: said you know oh it's not you know you think about it you you evaluate yeah it's funny it's

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_05]: funny to watch you know um there's plenty of other ones uh i'll go through a few others solar

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_05]: crisis was this ambitious sci-fi movie that was dead on arrival because most people just were

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_05]: trying to guess who's that the Alan Smithy guy attached and it's like it's a decent 2am movie

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_05]: with decent visuals it's just everyone just wanted to act like was that the one with Carlton Heston

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_05]: some people found it confusing other people found it boring i'm just like it's okay

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_05]: I just would like to see a director's cut of it someday um bonfire then we're so

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_05]: to the sun i'm gonna go the big yellow one for the sun Carlton Heston is Brian Regan

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Brian Regan should totally be a movie star he is amazing um and then there's stricty

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_06]: showgirls bonfire oh god I remember the hype yeah the hype around showgirls I I looked out

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_05]: I have only to this day I mean I've seen R rated clips but I have for the most part only seen the VHS

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_05]: a VH1 edit and so I never had a chance to say maybe it's not that I was like no reject reject I know

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_05]: what it's saying it's just not doing it well I love Robin's satirical humor but this is just too

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_05]: heavy-handed and I can't tell if this is just uh it just feels too much like a B movie and

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_06]: I can't remember the hype around it because it was Elizabeth Berkeley she was just coming off

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_05]: you know sitcom stars you've got your butt ass nigga and and everybody everybody but

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_06]: and all of a sudden Gina Gershaw was in that movie so she became like the it girl I remember

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_06]: like that year 94 95 96 it got really weird and I remember like there was like strip tease came

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_06]: out yeah and that was supposed to be like a big hit that bomb no movie and again everyone wants to

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_05]: go just for the lowest common denominator versus what it's actually about and and what was what was

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_06]: what was the one like like barbed wire came out barbed wire everybody everybody went nuts with

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_06]: barbed wire because and that's funny because Grammar see pictures had two movies that spring

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_06]: in summer coming out mst3k which did not get what it should have gotten and then barbed wire so like I

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_06]: remember going to the movies and said barbed wire on five screens three days later go barbed wire

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_06]: on three screens barbed wire on two screens because it did you know pink girl you know I remember

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_06]: that came out yeah you know everybody was going out you know it was oh the tank girl's gonna be

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_06]: it's it just didn't do what it was supposed to do there was such an audience for it you know I

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_05]: still joked about how that was the first time he got paid a million and now cam I do have to

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_07]: correct I do have to correct you on one point here about the other girls it wasn't a b movie it was

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_06]: certainly at least a double d movie oh but I remember I remember playboy doing this spread

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_06]: and I remember like they were doing this spread they were doing this spread in playboy and I'm

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_06]: like this with Berkeley's not that hot yeah you know because I love that one line she gives

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not a whore I'm a dancer and I'm like what the hell does that even mean

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_06]: it's like it's like Arnold it's like Arnold Schwarzenegger in uh in uh what was the one

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_06]: he the raw deal yeah thinking in the big big yeah now that's a good point that is that

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_05]: in collateral damage are definitely Arnold movies they have not done as hot but damage

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_05]: has literally no redeeming things like the director wanted to do kind of like a 911 propaganda movie

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_05]: and I just was like this is like sudden death or die hard but or clear and present danger for that

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_05]: matter since there's a lot of those actors but dull like I've seen this all before I the villain

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_05]: is a very good actor has been stuff like once were warriors and training day but again like

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_05]: I can see what's going to happen before it happens so this is like generic shit that

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_05]: really all that anyone talks about nowadays as it was Bill haters one of his first gigs as a PA

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah I talked to Tom so he's already heard it but I do find it funny how it just took up like

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_05]: out of all the Arnold movies I'll revisit junior any day over this shit best

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah um well that's that's when Arnold started to have like the downward spiral with his film

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah he had that he had uh before he wronged the committees

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_06]: all right I'm running for governor you're right this is not a good place for me anymore

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_05]: woman what are those connections you got um and then there's but I do like about the

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_05]: eighties and nineties is that there's all these do it yourself movies that were just like

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_05]: driving and video store ads and just people up just continually with the internet just rediscovered

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_05]: like if you as the closest we're gonna get to Superman for like the nuclear man is this

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_05]: movie called champagne and bullets also known as road to revenge with William Smith and

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_05]: wings hosher this is one of those is like I knew about it before I actually saw it it was

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_05]: just like what the hell is that and I'm just this cheesy looking guy with a shotgun and

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_05]: it's the guy is same kind of deal the guy is now like his own legal attorney for a man like

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_05]: how do you go from this stupid ego project to being a different danger I'll give you one that's

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_06]: like that too um there was a movie that came out in the sixth of the eighties called Puma man

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_05]: oh yes yes okay he makes us a more on take it over after earth oblivion or the

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_06]: happening promise well that was supposed to be that was like a big I don't think it got released

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_06]: in the states it was more in Europe but then you know it's like it's like you watching we're like

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_06]: okay we're gonna jump on the whole Superman bandwagon guy goes from Fitzcarraldo to this

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah like the big jungle goes from like Fitzcarraldo to this and you've got back to playing

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_06]: henchmen again because he just can't carry me pleasant pleasant pleasant is over acting

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_06]: you know yeah I think Donald Pleasance at that time was like doing like you know that and then

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_05]: warrior of the lost world like all of us he just he just didn't care um are you surprised no one's

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_06]: attempted to remake Zardis no I'm not surprised who the hell can't I mean at that point what

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Connery walked away from Bond right yeah he takes this project it's a it's a low budget you know it is

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_06]: a low budget film I mean John Boyd I mean like you know Connery was like I was he was driving himself

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_06]: to the set every day you know and this is when well this is when Connery was making like he kind

[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_06]: of had a downturn you know he did some great movies you know the offense the Molly the

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_05]: wires you know great stuff just stuff that you're like that's not the same Sean Connery and this and

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_06]: that you know yeah and you know and then he does like then he does meteor and you know I can love

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_06]: that one is right and I don't think he kind of hit it on the head again I mean till he did it I

[00:46:25] [SPEAKER_06]: think the man who would be king oh yeah he did uh total sleeper but then he did uh you know he

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_06]: then he did Outland oh yeah which was great yeah didn't make a lot of him I don't think he made a lot

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_06]: of money but then he came back to do uh the the wind and the lion you know which was a great movie

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_05]: too John Malias movies and productions and yeah after Highlander indeed he just kind of continues

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_05]: kind of that same kind of deal like he kind of just wants to do a lame word be kind of ensemble

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_06]: drama him he loved lament he loved lament from what I understand that that's an actress director

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_06]: the great the sad thing about this and I said that will you bring up Highlander Highlander was

[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_06]: hyped yeah it don't make any money yeah it didn't make any money and then

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_05]: what I thought they're like the director of V okay the radio star get out of here yeah yeah it was

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_06]: you know Russell okay he was like all right I gotta you know there's so there's a way to find

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_05]: it was kind of like hellraiser it was yeah it did bank and so people already wanted to make

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_05]: singles but it did not catch on until just repeat movie channel airings is like yeah you know

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_06]: eight I feel had it now there's now there's another cut of it that came out Highlander's been on

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_06]: so right there it's not Beast Masters on no Highlander was great they did Highlander too

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_06]: and you know they did they did three and I was like okay I don't know what the hell's going on here

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't mind part four on your TVings but it also has a very troubled history to where is this like

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_05]: that it's like these producers kept selling it to other investors who as a result ended up owning

[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_05]: these movies so as a result they just they either had to buy them back or just yeah

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_05]: do what directors got when it came to video because it's like my god

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_05]: we'll talk about bad luck talk about a curse it's just well you gotta think too like lamb

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_06]: bearer has done a good you know lamb bear did a great job Clancy Brown has has no slouch um always

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_06]: love and you know you gotta you gotta think too you know it had a great soundtrack by queen

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_06]: yes it did oh man I can imagine without that soundtrack yeah so to me it was like it was like

[00:48:49] [SPEAKER_06]: you know it was like okay yeah all the elements of there you got a rock and roll soundtrack but one

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_06]: of the greatest bands of all time we've got a really good story about you know these but it just

[00:48:58] [SPEAKER_06]: didn't catch on because I think a lot of people weren't into sort you know the sword the sorcery

[00:49:02] [SPEAKER_06]: bit same thing with Lou Ferrigno and Hercules right if you're if you'd beated from it you

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_05]: were dead in the water or just label a cone and knock off yeah and well there's another point there

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_06]: one the destroyer you know there's there's another point you know you had red Sonia

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_06]: oh man yes with Brigitte Nielsen you know and and Arnold was just asked hey can you come in

[00:49:27] [SPEAKER_06]: and do some scenes he's like yes sure no problem comes in as Prince Caldor which is like I'm

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_06]: thinking to myself you know he's named after a place that has slacks you know and at some point

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_06]: you know it he says they said well isn't that Conan and they're like well somebody said well

[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah it is he's just under another name but I mean the movie was just like it's like

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Conan's the destroyer yeah the first movie Conan the Barbarian you know one of the best

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_06]: action movies of the 80s right they do come in they do come in the destroyer they can't get John

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Milius back they bring in Richard Fleischer they tone it down a little bit yeah so there's not a

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_06]: lot of blood and guts and stuff because they want to make it more family friendly because if you

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_06]: watch the movie it's it's you know there's not a lot of you know guys getting you know

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_06]: chopped open or anything like that you know it's it's more of a it's more of a you know

[00:50:29] [SPEAKER_06]: not focused on that yeah it's it's not focused on the gore which I thought was great in that movie

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_06]: and it was dark it was this was more a lighter tone you know and they didn't get the you know

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_06]: they didn't get super tied back they had the guy who was uh the guy who played Bob in a Batman

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_06]: as like Tracy Walter Tracy Walter came in yes it was yeah to play the thief guy which I thought

[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_06]: was really funny you know so but um yeah I mean like you got a thing too you know I think the 80s

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_06]: and the 90s I think there was a lot of you know people were waiting for something to come up and

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_06]: be like boom you know okay you always like you gotta think like there's a movie 1999 is

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_06]: is a really weird year for movies because Star Wars comes back right yes yeah everything was released

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_06]: after that point basically falls in the wake they don't know how to interpret it they're like

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_06]: they don't they they can't they I mean South Park yeah that was great to watch

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_06]: but there's a movie out there that I think deserves another look and I think it

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_05]: bombed because that's mystery man yes oh yes and now the story's been coming out I had no idea

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_05]: that it did so poorly because it was just on tv so much but then I had less of an idea on how

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Stiller still refuses to name it but it's pretty well now and he and Greg Keneer were

[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_05]: not getting along on that movie and but it's some and the director wasn't a newbie but it

[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_05]: was one of those it did not it did not get sunk it just it just recouped its budget and

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_05]: even though they never did a sequel it was just interesting to just see just what happens when

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_05]: someone you know the pieces are there but sometimes there's some occasional just interruptions and that

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_05]: was kind of what it was but yeah I'm nowadays it is kind of a gem it's kind of the last action hero

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_05]: of 99 or it's just there's the one I I think it was I think it was trying to bring back a lot

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_06]: of the stuff like the thing I love about that movie is that you've got like you've got Stiller

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Jean Garofalo you've got you know um Jeffrey Rush's the oh that's right what was that

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes I'm the shoveler I shoveled well. Hank Azaria is the blue Raja. Oh he was a star.

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Peewee Herman and Paul Rubin what was his name that's the and then you've got was it was it

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Keenan Thompson or I think it was Kel Mitchell. Which one of those guys was Kel Mitchell yeah

[00:53:10] [SPEAKER_06]: Kel Mitchell yeah you turn invisible but the thing was he was totally visible you know

[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_06]: and um you know it's just it's a it's a good plot it's a good idea but you gotta realize

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_06]: they were doing it to get you know to get the people into the theaters you know let's see what

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_06]: what was going on and you know you had a juggernaut that year with the Phantom Menace you know yeah

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_06]: and unfortunately you know now you look back on it you think you think how many people

[00:53:40] [SPEAKER_06]: saw it five times and they're like oh gee wonder what else was in the movie theater you know

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_05]: oh man and one thing I will go ahead no by the 2000s you know then we get other stuff that

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_05]: you know at Astra about Vowell Villar and then um Gods of Egypt which is like a bad Stargate episode

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_05]: and the one that puzzles me the most is Mission to Mars the astronauts wife even Red Planet just

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_05]: all these movies that could be decent 50s 70s B pictures but somehow even Supernova which is a

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_05]: total cluster you're just wondering hey was this movie Rescubal or did they literally just

[00:54:19] [SPEAKER_05]: knock it Stone Cold Dead and then they try to do it in animation you know like Treasure Island

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Titan AE Atlantis lost Empire and I'm just like what is just not working why are these

[00:54:32] [SPEAKER_05]: just tanking like no tomorrow was everyone missing and the Palma has already had a bad

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_05]: run with like bonfire the bandit's raising Kane and yeah he's just been getting even worse he

[00:54:43] [SPEAKER_05]: came out with Domino which is a very confusing and underwhelming spy movie and you're just like

[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_05]: where did the money go and then you find out he did it like as a pro bono for like a

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_05]: French company who was a fan of his work but then last minute they turned the tables on him

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_05]: again so bad strike bad luck strikes him again and you know it's nothing crazy bad

[00:55:05] [SPEAKER_05]: cheesy like ice pirates or anything but it is one of those just like what is going on here

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_05]: like I've seen too many spy movies I know what's gonna happen and he next thing you know

[00:55:15] [SPEAKER_05]: he just owns this movie Domino before it even comes out and I've seen plenty of other movies that

[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_05]: are kind of underrated and how good they are or underrated and how bad they are like I will

[00:55:27] [SPEAKER_05]: totally do a double feature of Flashcore involved by Battlefield Earth that would just be batshit

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_06]: stupid fun but yeah but the thing the thing was Battlefield Earth was so unrelatable to people

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_06]: and I can remember the toy they were toys that came out from the town

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_05]: like Waterworld it just kind of came and went and people the making of it still fascinates me to this

[00:55:53] [SPEAKER_05]: day and Roger Christian said in a podcast interview that he and Lucas were actually oh and Tarantino

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_05]: were clapping all together while that movie was playing it's like wow

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Tarantino makes sense he likes crazy shit Lucas well I guess he figured there's no different

[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_05]: star wars so that is an interesting take um but yeah then there's some other one you gotta think too

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_06]: you gotta think too that's like a religious epic for convulsions you know

[00:56:22] [SPEAKER_05]: you know and he has recently been on the record saying that that is his Schindler's list of sci-fi

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_06]: oh god how dare you how dare you compare the Holocaust right city movie based on a religion

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_05]: where you talk to vegetables based on yeah there is a rapist alien cult yeah what the fuck yeah

[00:56:45] [SPEAKER_05]: it is also very confusing at times to where I mean critics have all known it was like the

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_05]: ending is independence day is ripped off but then they have the nerve to take the

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_05]: the safe scene from Raiders in the last frame I'm like why it has nothing to do with anything in fact

[00:57:03] [SPEAKER_05]: that might have explained wait wait hold on wait wait wait what happened remember in the

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_05]: final finale of battlefield earth you see Travolta laughing evil in his cell and there's a big

[00:57:13] [SPEAKER_05]: dutch angle like a wide shot and it's literally the exact same frame as Raiders lost our cow

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_05]: it ends are you fucking kidding me I wish I was making it up people would say that I'm like what

[00:57:22] [SPEAKER_05]: are you talking about then I forced myself to watch the movie again when I had finally embraced it

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_05]: as a shitty movie that's kind of fun and I was like they're not joking and it's like

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_05]: even the matrix that is a little slow motion it's just incessant

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_05]: what do the aliens really want if they really have pretty much fucked up all the resources

[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_05]: they're kind of just doing a turf war um I think it would have been better had they just

[00:57:46] [SPEAKER_05]: focused on the rebellion and not try to do too much but that's an understatement um then there's

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_05]: other kind of sci-fi stuff that just blows my mind like Alex Cox who you might know from uh

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_05]: that estvez movie uh what's the one repo repo man yes he has a crazy kind of war satire

[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_05]: that everyone is just confused by and made Roger Ebert's worst list called walker

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I remember seeing it I'm like oh yeah Ed Harris oh my god it's just very confusing

[00:58:17] [SPEAKER_05]: why it's like definitely we're hoping on a bad day but it's also like I can't believe it's even

[00:58:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Alex Cox because Alex Cox usually kind of gets you ready to do all his kind of bad shit

[00:58:27] [SPEAKER_05]: visions and everything and this one was just like I really do not know what to follow clearly

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Ed Harris and companies thought it was a decent movie but even they then I doubt they can explain

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_05]: what it was um there was a Peter Pan movie in 2015 that was oh a hot mess uh called just pan

[00:58:46] [SPEAKER_05]: well with Hugh Jackman's Captain Hook yeah they had a whitewash like Native American as Tiger Lily

[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_05]: but then it was just like what is this really about this is so fucking confusing again it's

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_05]: like people just are so attached to a movie they don't realize how underwhelming and confusing

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_05]: it can be if I don't know what to follow what what do I do well well here's here's the thing that

[00:59:14] [SPEAKER_06]: that gets me is like you know you got Steven Spielberg you know he he does hook which you know

[00:59:22] [SPEAKER_06]: a lot of people were going had high hopes for and then I watched it I remember I watched it and

[00:59:27] [SPEAKER_06]: like two weeks later my my high school girlfriend broke up with me so um that's why I don't like

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_05]: the movie um you know yeah it's perfect it's the performances are there it's just kind of I was looking

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_05]: at this with some other uh flops like I re-saw Free Jack the other day and I can see why it's

[00:59:46] [SPEAKER_05]: divided yeah it's the 2am crazy cheese fest there's a reason it's on tv s a lot but

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_05]: it's one of those I think there's just too much dead space in between the stuff that does work

[00:59:55] [SPEAKER_06]: and I think I kind of got that same just a hook Mick Jagger Mick Jagger is a future alien cop

[01:00:01] [SPEAKER_05]: all right let's do it god let's do it yeah um but yeah it seems like half these movies just get

[01:00:09] [SPEAKER_05]: overloaded because they don't know when to just cut away onto the next scene they just

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_05]: there that and they're not even trashy in a silly way like cyber but uh yeah um

[01:00:20] [SPEAKER_05]: I kind of have the same way about the Johnny Mnemonic it's one of those

[01:00:24] [SPEAKER_05]: it's a great if you watch the uncut German you know Blu-ray you'll see the movie was meant to be

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_05]: and I've tried to convince people to watch that version and the the pain of the original

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_07]: was too much for like trust me no I I'm on the opposite side of that I love Johnny Mnemonic

[01:00:41] [SPEAKER_05]: it's one of those I will yeah I like to watch over and over again I figured it was a flawed

[01:00:45] [SPEAKER_05]: movie that had a better movie in there but like if you see the uncut version like before Sony

[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_05]: took it away from that director he had done like a bunch of music videos and it tells from the Crip

[01:00:54] [SPEAKER_05]: episode that's the one where Shawna Braga and Dylan McDermott get infected and are dying but um yeah um

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_05]: I I saw it uncut it's way more like Blade Runner instead of the confusing fun overacted movie

[01:01:10] [SPEAKER_05]: and like it's re-scored and everything it's a whole different movie and I cannot convince anyone

[01:01:16] [SPEAKER_05]: to watch it like you actually also get some villain insights so you see why Toxshi Katano

[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_05]: and Dolph what their motive is other than they pop out of nowhere and try to slice off Keanu's head

[01:01:27] [SPEAKER_05]: and Keanu actually gets a different opening like it begins totally different like he's just

[01:01:32] [SPEAKER_05]: seen a prostitute for the night and she says something that reminds him of how robotic his

[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_05]: world has become and it's like see that's what the movie the theatrical version needed

[01:01:43] [SPEAKER_05]: instead of just adding more metal and more gory violence that

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_05]: it didn't matter.

[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_06]: I'll say this about about that movie that was getting Keanu ready for the Matrix to be honest.

[01:01:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh it absolutely did. Yes, yeah I think that's that's just...

[01:01:57] [SPEAKER_05]: He did another movie called Replicance.

[01:02:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah it's a lot of fun it had some decent cast who'd done some other thrillers and no one

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_05]: talks about it and I saw it on Cinemax one day I was just like yeah I will never

[01:02:12] [SPEAKER_05]: understand why some movies just aren't given a chance.

[01:02:15] [SPEAKER_05]: I was not deep but it's not bad.

[01:02:18] [SPEAKER_06]: There's one that I've always kind of looked and went I went why didn't this do better?

[01:02:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Why didn't this do better?

[01:02:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:02:25] [SPEAKER_06]: And it's a movie that Paul Verhoeven did with Rector Howard called Flesh and Blood.

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes and I love how he gets away at the very end and he never answers for his crimes.

[01:02:39] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like the most anti-movie ever and it's even make it a same kind of deal you know.

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_05]: It's just American audiences see it and they just react to all the gore and shocking sacks

[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_05]: and likable heroes but they are not half of them are not getting his intended satirical

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_05]: how he's making fun of the sort of scandal thing while also showing what it would have been like

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_05]: his latest movie about The Lesbian Nun that was good too but it's the same thing I...

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Now wait did he pass away?

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Was it at Joe Esther House?

[01:03:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Nope they're still like but I have no idea but

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_05]: The Lesbian Nun movie that had some good reviews but I saw some critics who still seem to think

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Verhoeven is just a trashy schlocky filmmaker and I'm like what are you talking about but

[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_05]: then I see people walking out of this movie I see it on Hulu I'm like it's a perfect

[01:03:33] [SPEAKER_05]: but it's pretty solid and it's kind of like Cronenberg's Crimes of the Future same kind of

[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_05]: deal I saw people walking out of that one I'm like do you not know who Cronenberg is?

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Whatever.

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_06]: You see and that's what gets me is like when people start saying you know oh it's a bomb

[01:03:49] [SPEAKER_06]: and you're like no it's not it's a good movie you gotta watch it.

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Gory therefore it must be schlocky or lesser I'm like or maybe that's just the movie.

[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_05]: It seems like it's also depends on the scenario it seems like audiences will eat up gore if

[01:04:03] [SPEAKER_05]: it's a war movie or horror film but if it's anything else they just shit on it they're like

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_05]: gratuitous.

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_06]: I remember everybody talking about like the Blair Witch project in 98.

[01:04:22] [SPEAKER_06]: And then they do the sequel and it's like this is not what we wanted you know this is

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_06]: not what we wanted here we want Ryan Murphy you wrote it.

[01:04:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Alone you know and then there's like you know I remember they were doing all the flasher flicks

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_05]: you know like my bloody all the paranormal crap all it yeah all that stuff that's that stuff

[01:04:47] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah everybody they showed you everybody getting scared but does it really scare you no it doesn't

[01:04:51] [SPEAKER_05]: it turned me off of horror for a while until I revisited stuff that was kind of

[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_05]: actiony but it had monsters in it so like some of the universal homages as well as

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Wishmaster I just thought those were as close as we were going to get to like a universal

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_05]: or a horror movie and not alone a Gryblitz movie you know.

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_06]: I'll give you a great keystone point of a movie that bombed and it was it got hype

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_06]: but it was just like oh boy was it bad the adventure forward fair lane.

[01:05:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh yeah oh yes yeah that is a Marlboro man just confuse me because I'm Harley Davidson the Marlboro

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_06]: man and you know the adventures of Ford Farrell and came out in 91 91 and it was being hyped as

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_06]: and to display like you've never seen before. Ford Farrell is a rock and roll detective now I found out

[01:05:51] [SPEAKER_06]: that the movie when it opened made X amount of dollars it's opening weekend that they were

[01:06:01] [SPEAKER_06]: they were actually pulling it like from the movies they were actually pulling it from some movie

[01:06:06] [SPEAKER_06]: theaters. Wendy Harlan's the worst though like Cutthroat Island. Well you gotta realize too

[01:06:11] [SPEAKER_05]: also well yeah Cutthroat Island yeah I can't not watch that movie I see people saying it's not that bad

[01:06:16] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm like oh it's bad I have never been able to watch it and I would watch basically anything that was

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_05]: on UPN back in the day and I was just like can they please stop airing this that the commercials

[01:06:27] [SPEAKER_06]: are more interesting. And you have to think about the reason why I didn't make a lot of money

[01:06:33] [SPEAKER_06]: for it Farrell was because it wasn't because it dies it was the controversy around dice

[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_05]: that's the thing they'll politicize an actor in it. Jamie Foxx has just announced that he did a

[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_05]: movie which he co-starred and acted in and he he completed it back in 2016 it got scrapped because

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Jeremy Piven was in it so it was like when when he slapped or attempted an assault so

[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_05]: and but then what's stupid though you know unlike that where play didn't

[01:07:03] [SPEAKER_05]: and didn't ask to be canceled you know Jamie Foxx is doing the whole he's

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_05]: taking out your chappelle he's like oh you're gonna cancel me I'm like go fuck yourself Jamie

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_05]: if you want to do a good movie do a good movie but stop acting like other people are making your

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_05]: life hell you know. He could literally he's a millionaire he could literally self distribute

[01:07:23] [SPEAKER_05]: this movie if you really wanted to but I think right now instead of doing just gross out

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_05]: comedies like Adam Sandler by the dozen it just seems like now we're just back to again just

[01:07:36] [SPEAKER_05]: sci-fi epics that don't make any money. I remember seeing John Carter and I saw why everyone was kind

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_05]: of mixed on it I was like okay so there's some questionable acting but it's kind of a epic movie

[01:07:47] [SPEAKER_05]: but then I see Ender's Game I really actually dug Harrison Ford and Ben Kingsley in that and

[01:07:52] [SPEAKER_05]: it was done on arrival just because of controversies of the author he apparently had

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_05]: a bad story shit. He's a piece of shit but I'm like this is pretty straightforward deep sci-fi

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_05]: like the expanse I don't see why it didn't do well especially when you know critics love having

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_05]: a boner over a got to kind of sci-fi you know you guys didn't make any money and despite having

[01:08:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Harrison Ford people were like pass he looks old like what is damn crowds are just yes

[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_07]: I think that's it and going back to the supernatural movies for a second yeah I don't know how well it

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_07]: did but there's a movie that I love and still do called stir of echoes. Oh god that's an amazing

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_05]: movie. Probably one of the few respectable horror movies that was kind of like The Shining just

[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_05]: trying to be a legit freaky mystery instead of having its ending get ruined like the sixth sense

[01:08:45] [SPEAKER_05]: or more like fine it wasn't like Final Destination where people remember the deaths and none

[01:08:50] [SPEAKER_05]: of the characters or motivation you're just like yeah people and Kevin Vagan is just phenomenal

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_05]: and I really do wish Catherine and Irvi you know I know this was before Oz and Law and Order but

[01:09:01] [SPEAKER_05]: I just really wish she could have had a bigger movie career because she really like I feel her

[01:09:07] [SPEAKER_05]: pain when she just speaks you know she's just as good at that type of drama and then yeah

[01:09:15] [SPEAKER_05]: it's just David Koch whenever people say I didn't care for Mordecai and something like yeah

[01:09:20] [SPEAKER_05]: but he is a competent director and screenwriter on a good day so you know you're not sometimes you

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_05]: get Jurassic Park then you get the Lost World Jurassic Park but other days you get really solid

[01:09:29] [SPEAKER_05]: scripts like Panic Room and The First Spider-Man you know it's yeah and then and then you're

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_07]: only on the other side the yeah and going on the other other stream here for a sci-fi movie that

[01:09:41] [SPEAKER_07]: I think should have bombed and may have a majority report yeah and and it I just shouldn't have

[01:09:51] [SPEAKER_07]: to work but it was a big hit but it it shouldn't have worked I mean I was sitting here watching it

[01:09:58] [SPEAKER_07]: in the theaters I was thoroughly in-proud with it and then all of a sudden I see a plot hole

[01:10:03] [SPEAKER_07]: there's another one and another one is like that tough me out of the movie but you're always

[01:10:08] [SPEAKER_07]: all it's so fantastic if I dude yeah if I'm doing that kind of fact that in real time

[01:10:18] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm not gonna enjoy the movie and it the movie should have worked better it didn't

[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_07]: that's the hole the holes were too hard for me to overcome I think it has less holes than collateral

[01:10:33] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah and I think the one thing that gets me too is like like if you watch a movie like Minority Report

[01:10:41] [SPEAKER_06]: or if you watch a movie like like there's some movies where I'm like where the f**k did this come

[01:10:47] [SPEAKER_05]: who the you know it was a total recall sequel yeah and a bond stole it from his mentor

[01:10:54] [SPEAKER_05]: and then never made it he made other movies kind of similar to it but

[01:10:58] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah it was a spillover joint the screen I think it's more interesting if you look at it from a

[01:11:03] [SPEAKER_05]: whole land security deal like this is how f**ked up the future is going to be then yeah if you look

[01:11:08] [SPEAKER_05]: at it from a playrunner type movie but yeah it's a like I hate it I'll take it any day over paycheck

[01:11:13] [SPEAKER_05]: though oh my god Ben Affleck and Uma Thurman running away from future assassins and again

[01:11:20] [SPEAKER_05]: another Philip K. Dick type inspired thing and I'm just like okay so let's say you didn't care

[01:11:25] [SPEAKER_05]: for Minority Report even then like this movie like this doesn't deserve to be called a John Woo movie if

[01:11:31] [SPEAKER_05]: he's here I'll give I could you not he dishes the whole movie on the commentary track it didn't

[01:11:37] [SPEAKER_05]: put them make this movie and then then I'm like great intro I'll tell you what screwed me up was

[01:11:43] [SPEAKER_06]: like when they were redoing a lot of the they redid the Avengers yeah and the wolf mind don't

[01:11:51] [SPEAKER_06]: forget the wolf no well the wolf man to me was you know the wolf but that's the mommy too that when

[01:11:58] [SPEAKER_05]: they read the money 2018 one yeah that oh god that was such a piece of trash I knew it was gonna suck

[01:12:04] [SPEAKER_05]: them in I saw the trailer and then I saw people saying it doesn't look that bad like are you

[01:12:09] [SPEAKER_05]: are we seriously looking at the same thing here like I have had people tell me certain shows CGI

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_05]: graphics look shitty I'm like no I'll start doing my ship those graphics why this is a trailer

[01:12:20] [SPEAKER_05]: for a big budget movie and Kurtzman the director you know worked on some of the new

[01:12:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Star Trek shows he apparently was on the record saying I'm looking forward to working with Tom

[01:12:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Cruise I wrote one of his mission impossible movies sure enough Tom Cruise keeps rewriting stuff

[01:12:33] [SPEAKER_05]: daily I'm like and my siblings where you saw that trailer in the theater like is that a

[01:12:38] [SPEAKER_05]: mission impossible movie then at the end oh mommy coming this summer I'm like yeah

[01:12:42] [SPEAKER_05]: uh

[01:12:43] [SPEAKER_06]: the Avengers movie the one the one

[01:12:53] [SPEAKER_06]: it was it to me was a slap in the face because yeah you know you could have gotten somebody else I mean

[01:13:01] [SPEAKER_06]: you know grant I love Luma Thurman and you know she bounced back from that doing kill Bill

[01:13:08] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah more turn to you and you know um but yeah that movie is pretty sloppy because you're just

[01:13:14] [SPEAKER_05]: wondering much like lost in space that same year you're just like who was this for because you're

[01:13:20] [SPEAKER_05]: not reference I would compare it actually probably to the 18 movie and as likely and decent I'm

[01:13:26] [SPEAKER_05]: just like I saw it as like it's just too again it's too static it's too robotic it you don't

[01:13:37] [SPEAKER_05]: have any oomph no driving force I'm I'm seeing a billion better movies and can't answer your question

[01:13:43] [SPEAKER_07]: about who who they made the Avengers movie for oh that was one of the that's fine those ones were

[01:13:53] [SPEAKER_07]: I can understand the hate but for me it was just cheese it was cheesy fun and I trash you

[01:14:00] [SPEAKER_05]: you know where I first saw it I first saw it on the weather channel

[01:14:05] [SPEAKER_05]: not even making that up all because of the fucking villain's weapon I'm like oh man well I'll tell you

[01:14:13] [SPEAKER_05]: this I do like making fun of Batman and Robin just like the room I just it's infectious I can't

[01:14:18] [SPEAKER_05]: not make fun of it I just George Clooney being in Crystal Donald being confusing the back credit

[01:14:24] [SPEAKER_05]: card I'm like I know we talked about already but I'm just like it's just so fucking stupid but

[01:14:28] [SPEAKER_05]: if you I just love how what was trending as soon as he passed away they were like release the Batman

[01:14:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Forever cut more scenes of Jim Carrey as the Riddler I'm like you know what I might check that out

[01:14:39] [SPEAKER_05]: if they ever unleash it and um then there's a few other duds did you guys force yourselves to

[01:14:47] [SPEAKER_05]: watch Midsummer yeah I am my wife did oh my wife and I see people who will just bash all kinds

[01:14:57] [SPEAKER_05]: of utter junkie 80s movies I'm like see this uh this don't bash models bash this movie this is like

[01:15:04] [SPEAKER_05]: the most nihilistic piece of shit I've seen and I saw the director's cut so don't say I didn't know

[01:15:09] [SPEAKER_05]: what I was watching I was just like one minute it's trying to be a dark comedy then the next

[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_05]: minute it's an exploitation movie then it's like a social commentary female empowerment movie

[01:15:18] [SPEAKER_05]: but I'm like I don't get any of this this is just a I will say it's good cinematography

[01:15:24] [SPEAKER_05]: that is all you're getting from me it's technically a two and a half out of five-star movie but I

[01:15:28] [SPEAKER_05]: hated it so much I would give it a negative 100 I'm just like it's a remake it's was that the

[01:15:34] [SPEAKER_05]: remake of the wicker man people I've been joking about that it had wicker man vibes but yeah

[01:15:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Ari Aster just I can't read that fucker he just sounds like he is just so in love with

[01:15:46] [SPEAKER_05]: sucking himself up and I'm like so who's this four under then the 824 weirdos he's

[01:15:51] [SPEAKER_05]: the I'll tell you who

[01:15:55] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah there we go all the casters um yeah I can't recommend it all I don't think it's well made at

[01:16:01] [SPEAKER_05]: all now god's of Egypt that is the craziest stargate episode I have ever seen and not in a good way

[01:16:12] [SPEAKER_05]: but I just find it funny how you know I actually legit like Gerard Butler in a Sean Connery kind

[01:16:17] [SPEAKER_05]: of way but yeah that is one where everyone just looks either furious or just confused or just

[01:16:24] [SPEAKER_05]: very over edited like what's going on but yeah sorry go ahead no it's just it's I even bought the

[01:16:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Blu-ray and invited people over to do a movie riffing and everyone was like pass it's like one

[01:16:40] [SPEAKER_05]: movie they won't do it's gotta be something goofy like high rock zombies or some other

[01:16:46] [SPEAKER_05]: trashy you know or something already deliberately campy like the monster squad and they would not

[01:16:52] [SPEAKER_05]: touch it you're like yeah I saw the trailer loved Gerard and Chadwick Boseman that no

[01:17:00] [SPEAKER_06]: um the thing I was said about the 90s like the 90s and the 2000s and the early 2000s there

[01:17:06] [SPEAKER_06]: was such a glut of movies it wasn't even funny sometimes it really wasn't every other

[01:17:12] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean what was every other NBA or rapper was getting their own movie and then there was

[01:17:18] [SPEAKER_05]: another ones where you're just like yeah I feel like this is a bad 70s idea recreated here in the 90s

[01:17:25] [SPEAKER_06]: like you had some really original pictures like you had El Mariachi with uh yeah you know and then

[01:17:32] [SPEAKER_06]: and then you'd have like you know Tarantino's Pulp Fiction that sets the world on its ear

[01:17:39] [SPEAKER_06]: yep in the chemist chemist but then all of a sudden you have like these big producers making

[01:17:45] [SPEAKER_05]: these movies where it's like swimming with shards and all other kinds of just yeah it's just like

[01:17:50] [SPEAKER_05]: movies like usual suspects and you're like hey regardless of who worked on this or if they're

[01:17:54] [SPEAKER_06]: a piece of shit that's just a well done movie well usual suspects is a very well done movie in my

[01:17:59] [SPEAKER_06]: opinion and oh yeah I don't understand that it's a great it's a great switcheroo movie right

[01:18:05] [SPEAKER_06]: the thing I love is like all of a sudden everybody was climbing on the bandwagon making these movies

[01:18:12] [SPEAKER_06]: that were just godwaffle and terrible you know I remember like there was there was the guys like

[01:18:17] [SPEAKER_06]: like you had Allison Anders you had Kevin Smith you had Anders uh

[01:18:22] [SPEAKER_05]: um you're on Boonak Saints yeah every other person if they're not taking from Jim Jermusch

[01:18:28] [SPEAKER_05]: they're taken from Tarantino and uh uh Paul W.S. Anderson and Rodriguez and you just can read it

[01:18:34] [SPEAKER_05]: because it just plays that way but it's even more confusing because like you say you're just like

[01:18:40] [SPEAKER_06]: why don't it just be you instead of trying to you know and it's like all of a sudden every every

[01:18:47] [SPEAKER_06]: studio had to do like their version of pulp fiction yes has you there's version of clerks

[01:18:51] [SPEAKER_05]: have you their version of this yeah Kevin Smith that very true yeah it's like yeah

[01:18:56] [SPEAKER_05]: and just and just found mouse dialogue and sometimes it worked but there were a lot

[01:19:00] [SPEAKER_05]: of deads out there and uh I actually do like Truth or Consequences in New Mexico you ever see that one

[01:19:07] [SPEAKER_05]: no I haven't okay Matthew Williamson Rod Steiger in one of his last roles key for Sutherland who

[01:19:13] [SPEAKER_05]: also directed and just another just fugitive on the Runs movie I don't think it's perfect but

[01:19:18] [SPEAKER_05]: it does have some solid characterization and action but that's just it like even if you were

[01:19:24] [SPEAKER_05]: a decent on your own movie that people would just endlessly compare you to Tarantino and then

[01:19:28] [SPEAKER_05]: it's just funny they get pissed when they realize Tarantino is like sampling all the stuff he grew up

[01:19:32] [SPEAKER_05]: and like yeah this is one crazy puzzle I will never understand um as close as I can say

[01:19:39] [SPEAKER_05]: as we probably got into a recent flop would probably be 2019's Serenity nothing to do with

[01:19:47] [SPEAKER_05]: the Firefly franchise no no no this is a I've already had a spot for me and I take it you

[01:19:54] [SPEAKER_05]: guys have heard about it too it's basically everyone thinks that it just was marketed as

[01:19:57] [SPEAKER_05]: kind of another China Lake kind of movie with some erotic elements just a twisted noir tribute

[01:20:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Anne Hathaway and McConaughey go on Ellen to promote this movie but the test screens were

[01:20:09] [SPEAKER_05]: so bad much like the Ford Fairline deal it was only showing out a few screenings barely

[01:20:14] [SPEAKER_05]: making any money like they did not know how to market it even though some people like

[01:20:17] [SPEAKER_05]: the plot twist where it's like all in a writer's head just a stupid cop out

[01:20:21] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah one of those where you're just like so is Robert Towne like the only fucker who knows

[01:20:26] [SPEAKER_05]: noir and everyone else just emulates Chinatown for the billionth time yeah because it seems like

[01:20:32] [SPEAKER_05]: half the time they will do that the fancy blonde singer you know sleeping with the private eye

[01:20:37] [SPEAKER_05]: and it's just like well and I do think that was one of the lesser moments of the 90s is

[01:20:43] [SPEAKER_05]: you know because like you say ever 95 is a big year for every other person ripping off

[01:20:48] [SPEAKER_05]: diehard with a vengeance usual suspects or even heat there was like all these other people

[01:20:53] [SPEAKER_05]: ripping off seven and silence the lambs and then adding basic instinct elements you're like

[01:20:59] [SPEAKER_07]: well I you think you're you're making China you're remaking Chinatown but actually you're

[01:21:07] [SPEAKER_07]: making remaking dead men don't wear plaid oh yeah and that's a funny which which which

[01:21:14] [SPEAKER_06]: in turn is the two jakes um but I remember that movie Ray finds and Juliet Lewis made called Strange

[01:21:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Days yes and the other cyberpunk ones that along with virtualized what the hell is going on here it's

[01:21:32] [SPEAKER_06]: like I I was you know that's when I started to just go back and be like I gotta watch some of

[01:21:37] [SPEAKER_06]: these old old movies from the 70s and shit you know just to get just to get my brain in

[01:21:42] [SPEAKER_06]: order you know because I mean I remember I watched um oh this Nostra to the vampire with a friend of

[01:21:50] [SPEAKER_06]: my there you go the German version mind you the German version right and we were like we were like oh

[01:21:58] [SPEAKER_06]: wow now you know you have to cleanse the palette because I remember like going to a film class

[01:22:03] [SPEAKER_06]: and I was watching stuff like yeah sonateen and you know uh Fossbenders or the Fossbender movies

[01:22:12] [SPEAKER_06]: and I was watching we were watching uh Breaking the Waves remember that movie Breaking the Waves

[01:22:18] [SPEAKER_05]: you're going to all the dogma 95 stuff before Lars yeah yeah does his own crazy shit yeah yeah

[01:22:24] [SPEAKER_06]: and I'm because I remember like going then like a couple years later I'm going to the movies and

[01:22:28] [SPEAKER_06]: watching by Centennial Man which I'm like this is not fucking Robin Williams man yeah I want Robin

[01:22:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Williams going nuts go an issue no no I gotta be I have to be a this year's actor I just want to

[01:22:41] [SPEAKER_05]: watch that movie it's not Planet of the Apes 01 but it's one of those I'm like I mean it's got ideas

[01:22:48] [SPEAKER_05]: but it's just too damn depressing for his own good uh I did rewatch Strange Days and I will

[01:22:53] [SPEAKER_05]: admit I did not like it when it was on tv but I think you might like it a little more now

[01:22:57] [SPEAKER_05]: especially if you look at it from like a William Gibson perspective but yeah it is one of those

[01:23:02] [SPEAKER_05]: movies that uh just the last the third act kind of goes on a little too long just we gotta have

[01:23:08] [SPEAKER_05]: 40 more minutes of the villains trying to kill the heroes and the heroine and it's like okay

[01:23:13] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm literally already exhausted for the last five machine gun fights and car chases I just

[01:23:19] [SPEAKER_05]: I sound wimpy when I say this but I do have a limit if it is slowing the movie down I will

[01:23:25] [SPEAKER_05]: notice it like I even watch other sequels nowadays that I can only watch a scene at a time

[01:23:30] [SPEAKER_05]: the movie's just so so oversaturated like leave the weapon for is okay but the car chases take

[01:23:36] [SPEAKER_05]: them out the movie goes so much faster you're like see I need more of the triads and less of

[01:23:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Joe Pesci trying to be a comedian yeah well here's the one that gets me is like you had Strange Days

[01:23:48] [SPEAKER_06]: you had Hackers Hackers yes it was Cyberswain season yeah even direct to movies yeah you know

[01:23:58] [SPEAKER_06]: and and all I can remember is like thinking of myself is Hollywood losing itself is Hollywood

[01:24:05] [SPEAKER_06]: losing its way you know it had to take a lot it had to take some movies to just bring it back

[01:24:10] [SPEAKER_06]: you know you got Cameron doing friggin titanic but then I remember like all the movies that were

[01:24:15] [SPEAKER_06]: coming out like like in 93 94 you know you know Coneheads comes out

[01:24:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Coneheads Wayne's World Wayne's World and Wayne's World too yeah at the movie you know which

[01:24:31] [SPEAKER_06]: you know Pat the movie bombed at the box office the ladies man bombed boat trip oh my god

[01:24:41] [SPEAKER_06]: we have boat trip bombs what was the one on Stuart Smallie saves his family

[01:24:46] [SPEAKER_06]: I think that's what it was yeah Stuart saves his family yeah Stuart saves his family that bombs

[01:24:51] [SPEAKER_05]: what a hero is Mr. Parker Dower by the writer of Blade Runner yeah yeah but yeah they have all these

[01:24:58] [SPEAKER_05]: just bizarre movies and it kind of gets to that point where if you're not taping it off the

[01:25:04] [SPEAKER_05]: satellite then you might as well just see it at the video store on a or buy it off the $2 rack

[01:25:09] [SPEAKER_05]: like they were doing that years before you know DVD took over and I don't even know how I mean

[01:25:14] [SPEAKER_05]: I really wasn't surprised when video stores started fading away because it just it just got to that

[01:25:18] [SPEAKER_05]: point where it's like they can't even keep up with the content and contracts no no I remember

[01:25:23] [SPEAKER_06]: I remember going my buddy going to see Mario Brothers right oh he's like I don't know what the

[01:25:33] [SPEAKER_06]: hell I watched I thought I was I took LSD when I was like this is fucking ridiculous

[01:25:39] [SPEAKER_05]: another crazy movie with Dennis Hopper and I just wonder how half of these guys even can't work and

[01:25:46] [SPEAKER_05]: because like this is when the Razzie's started becoming worse or oh yeah that sports like

[01:25:51] [SPEAKER_05]: I look at it now and they're just plain dicks they used to be so clever like worse on screen

[01:25:56] [SPEAKER_05]: couple goes to Seagal and his guitar and fire down below I'm like see that's funny and then

[01:26:01] [SPEAKER_05]: when you bring in all this other stuff you're like no that's just being a bully

[01:26:06] [SPEAKER_06]: well I'll give you the I'll give you the best case of somebody

[01:26:10] [SPEAKER_06]: winning a rasi and basically just taking a piss and that was Halle Berry and Catwoman

[01:26:18] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah she showed up I have never liked anything like that director he's done everything from

[01:26:24] [SPEAKER_05]: like a sci-fi movie with Gerard de Parzio to I think reshoots of alien resurrection and

[01:26:31] [SPEAKER_05]: you know something's wrong when you got nothing but crappy rap music playing and just endless shots

[01:26:36] [SPEAKER_05]: of assets and you're like holy fuck who signed off on this if I don't see a movie with actual

[01:26:43] [SPEAKER_05]: content what why call it a movie yeah I'd rather watch porn holy shit I mean and Michael

[01:26:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Massey is literally playing the exact same role as the crow that had to be traumatic

[01:26:56] [SPEAKER_05]: and playing once again a guy who kills the hero at the start what the fuck well I'll give you a case

[01:27:02] [SPEAKER_06]: some point of mass you know mass media bringing you know trying to trying to make a movie that's

[01:27:10] [SPEAKER_06]: going to appeal to people and then just it just falls down flat on its face with love from

[01:27:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Justin McKellie when that on leash just seeing the trailer is just that's when I was really like

[01:27:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I stopped watching certain comedies after a while because it's like if it's all only going to be

[01:27:29] [SPEAKER_05]: reality tv show stars or Paris Hilton or some other idiot yeah I want nothing to do with movies for a

[01:27:35] [SPEAKER_05]: while like yeah how do you know naughty yeah I remember that oh god yeah it's all this stuff

[01:27:42] [SPEAKER_05]: somehow instead of going even directly I'd like played at a festivals for two weeks and he's like

[01:27:47] [SPEAKER_05]: no no no see and you know even house of the dead two or just one enforcement just one and then

[01:27:53] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah alone in the dark when you ball took over and people are saying he's kind of smart I'm like

[01:27:58] [SPEAKER_05]: he's literally saying what everyone else has said for years Hollywood the solace and all that but

[01:28:03] [SPEAKER_05]: that doesn't make up for any of his you know masterpieces so to speak you know in the name

[01:28:10] [SPEAKER_05]: of the king where Jason Statham plays a farmer named farmer it's like what oh god I remember

[01:28:16] [SPEAKER_05]: that moving thing and I knew so wrong Reynolds at Ray Liotta with a squeaky voice very bad

[01:28:24] [SPEAKER_05]: all these other actresses who probably fired their agents you know Matthew Litter was in it

[01:28:29] [SPEAKER_05]: legally so basically and Claire for Lonnie also from Mr. Remensely yeah there you go and

[01:28:34] [SPEAKER_05]: I knew something was out because I was in a tech class my long story short my teacher was a piece of

[01:28:39] [SPEAKER_05]: work he wasn't mean or anything he had good well he'd have cool motivational speeches like how to

[01:28:45] [SPEAKER_05]: cut out people who have been unreliable in your life and all that and then he'd follow it up with

[01:28:48] [SPEAKER_05]: and by the way kids we're running the war on our rock been lines already been dead

[01:28:54] [SPEAKER_05]: what the fuck are you talking about I'm watching it every night after school

[01:28:57] [SPEAKER_05]: fuck you talking about and but then I get distracted people start talking about hey

[01:29:02] [SPEAKER_04]: hey what's up what's the newest shows and movies you watch oh just sold the premiere of so no star

[01:29:06] [SPEAKER_04]: game for somebody got a lot like okay cool addicting shows and gritty stuff the shield

[01:29:11] [SPEAKER_04]: oh it was really Emmy worthy last night and then they go on what do you see in the theaters

[01:29:15] [SPEAKER_05]: dungeon seas nothing but just oh crickets and all the gamers pipe up even if you just want

[01:29:22] [SPEAKER_05]: to see a Lord of the Rings fest you're gonna want your money back please get your money back

[01:29:25] [SPEAKER_05]: I should so I avoided for years and then my my uncle was the worst that he would watch anything

[01:29:35] [SPEAKER_05]: just put sci-fi channel on randomly I'm like yeah please change please change and the next thing

[01:29:40] [SPEAKER_05]: you know blood rain comes on after in the name of the king like what are you doing right now

[01:29:44] [SPEAKER_05]: there is nothing good on site my channel can we do sitcoms please I don't want to watch two

[01:29:48] [SPEAKER_05]: more hours of this dog shit why are you watching this the only thing I can say is Michael Madsen

[01:29:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Billy Zane got cool mullets but I can't say anything it's bad and it just looks like a student film with

[01:30:02] [SPEAKER_05]: again just what sounds like nails on a chalkboard music and then all those other stuff that's

[01:30:08] [SPEAKER_05]: supposed to be witty and you know when you've all finally told his fans to fuck off that's

[01:30:13] [SPEAKER_05]: when I was like see I told you this dude's just as bad as a politician he he got by because

[01:30:18] [SPEAKER_05]: he was a German tax cuts and you know and to compare him to Edward is just insulting Edward yeah

[01:30:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Edward had a vision yeah it was an incompetent visionary but that was the fun he some movie

[01:30:32] [SPEAKER_05]: he came up with idea based b-pictures and come on there's several plan nine fan groups don't

[01:30:37] [SPEAKER_05]: wouldn't talk about and it's just you ball I can't say at any vision just confusion on the mind

[01:30:45] [SPEAKER_06]: or water on the brain there you go

[01:30:50] [SPEAKER_07]: well I look about the humming that JJ said earlier and talk about the rise of the independent

[01:30:55] [SPEAKER_07]: film makers like the the Tarantino's in your was and uh he was all those guys yeah

[01:31:02] [SPEAKER_07]: the 90s excuse me the three the 90s kind of made it evident that

[01:31:10] [SPEAKER_07]: Hollywood wasn't the only way to go yeah there was the colors trilogy with Juliet by no she

[01:31:17] [SPEAKER_07]: has all kinds of stuff yeah yeah they got to a point where people because they talked to

[01:31:24] [SPEAKER_07]: Smith do what they said I can do it yeah that created Japan did it better everyone yeah

[01:31:32] [SPEAKER_05]: oh yeah the ripoff movies got definitely became more unbearable after a while

[01:31:39] [SPEAKER_06]: well I'll give you a case in point you had a movie like Dyson confused one of the best

[01:31:44] [SPEAKER_06]: movies about the 70s yes and link letter couldn't top it you know link letter is

[01:31:51] [SPEAKER_06]: that movie later about the guy who were the yeah yeah and then you know um you got reality bites

[01:32:01] [SPEAKER_06]: which is probably one of the best movies about our generation you know yeah but you know everybody

[01:32:09] [SPEAKER_06]: every buddy just started to jump on these bandwagon they're making these terrible movies

[01:32:13] [SPEAKER_06]: and I was like no that movie's based on you know Dyson's huge like there's a movie with Donald

[01:32:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Donald Luke called the the doll of Steve yeah have you ever seen that movie the doll of Steve

[01:32:28] [SPEAKER_05]: I heard of it I haven't jumped in I've heard of destiny turns on the radio which is okay

[01:32:33] [SPEAKER_06]: best he turns on the radio Tarantino singing yeah the doll of Steve was a movie with Donald Luke

[01:32:41] [SPEAKER_06]: who you may know from Gotham oh the tires yes I love that yeah yeah okay that was a very unusual

[01:32:48] [SPEAKER_06]: indie act that that movie was hyped up didn't make anything but it's one of those movies you

[01:32:54] [SPEAKER_06]: like watching because it's a simple small movie it's not a big fucking movie Donald Luke is a way

[01:33:00] [SPEAKER_05]: underrated actor like he does yeah compared to any other comedic guy who started taking serious roles

[01:33:06] [SPEAKER_05]: he he blends in and compared to others who you're like like it took Jack Black kind of a while

[01:33:12] [SPEAKER_05]: to kind of be serious and then there were other comedians like that like people that sometimes

[01:33:16] [SPEAKER_05]: you know sometimes even whoopee Goldberg and Robin Williams would put their hard into a project

[01:33:21] [SPEAKER_05]: and people just couldn't get past the them being dramatic or the plot being convoluted but yeah it's

[01:33:27] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah but I'll tell you they're in that 90s period and even early 2000s there were some hidden gems

[01:33:34] [SPEAKER_07]: in there there was a movie that I picked up because a friend recommended Six-Tring Samurai

[01:33:41] [SPEAKER_05]: yes that's another one that's such an amazing movie that is one acid trip man to come out of

[01:33:48] [SPEAKER_05]: your life or ghost dog way the samurai and then I feel that did you guys ever see a hard rock zombies

[01:33:57] [SPEAKER_05]: no I saw it just be on youtube I feel like this is the reason the little swim exist

[01:34:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I am not kidding and you'll probably get it when you watch it here's some point it is a shit show so

[01:34:11] [SPEAKER_05]: make sure to do a lot of drugs before you watch it but um it's a canon film that even canon films

[01:34:16] [SPEAKER_05]: doesn't even talk about it's like a weird just like Romero if he was on high and having all these

[01:34:25] [SPEAKER_05]: people kill each other as well as a future version of Hitler it is crap shit but that's my that's

[01:34:33] [SPEAKER_05]: my reason I defend it I'm like see they killed Hitler that alone gives it a five out of five

[01:34:40] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah I mean I just think about something like just like you know these movies Hollywood was like

[01:34:49] [SPEAKER_06]: it got to be like it was always like a sausage factory from the 90s if you don't suck the

[01:34:55] [SPEAKER_05]: producer off your movie yeah but then it got even yeah we all their movies like

[01:35:04] [SPEAKER_05]: before we had to call bullshit on rotten tomatoes it just seemed like after a while is just like

[01:35:10] [SPEAKER_05]: you just couldn't trust anybody like critics hated Norbit my pals like Norbit and I was just like

[01:35:18] [SPEAKER_05]: I want no part of this either way I'd rather see dream girls or Eddie Murphy be funny again

[01:35:25] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah I I can remember watching what movie was it where I was like I was like holy

[01:35:35] [SPEAKER_06]: shit this movie's funny as hell but my friends were going oh why do you like them brain candy

[01:35:41] [SPEAKER_06]: brain candy I want to go see brain candy great movie great movie you know it's the last time

[01:35:46] [SPEAKER_06]: the kids in the hall are together yeah on screens and like a musty forte the movie despite them not

[01:35:53] [SPEAKER_05]: getting along with you know the studio you know it's still pretty well liked by fans but yeah there

[01:35:59] [SPEAKER_05]: are times where you know it still makes a lot of worse moves of all times because it's a far cry from

[01:36:05] [SPEAKER_06]: kids you know early days and yeah I mean and and what got me was you know you talk about

[01:36:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Jack Black I remember Jack Black black being in a the never-ending story too oh yeah that's

[01:36:22] [SPEAKER_06]: that's a joke unto itself because you know they made the never I remember Dennis Miller said

[01:36:28] [SPEAKER_06]: he goes on he's uh you know the never-ending story open this week hey why'd you make a

[01:36:33] [SPEAKER_06]: sequel it's called the never-ending story and then what's funny is that you watch that

[01:36:41] [SPEAKER_06]: and you watch him in uh we're going to live Mr. Mr. so oh yeah that's right he was like in the

[01:36:51] [SPEAKER_06]: first two seasons of Mr. Shell and you know but but to me it's like it's like all of a sudden like

[01:36:59] [SPEAKER_06]: some it was like Hollywood were was turning out these movies they were trying to keep pace

[01:37:04] [SPEAKER_06]: with what was coming out or too much on the soundtracks and yeah and all I remember is like

[01:37:10] [SPEAKER_06]: the movies when you watch them they were just horrible right how did this make its money back

[01:37:15] [SPEAKER_05]: we don't know exactly yeah and then you want to watch the music video and you got to watch scenes

[01:37:20] [SPEAKER_05]: from that awful movie you're like yeah they were too involved in the marketing and they couldn't

[01:37:26] [SPEAKER_05]: bother to get you know the cast right you know and I'll do one more before we take off uh

[01:37:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Wing Commander oh my favorite God movie it has some decent visual effects and action but

[01:37:40] [SPEAKER_05]: her gun prok know is still in does boot mode that only works to an extent but yeah I don't

[01:37:45] [SPEAKER_05]: know who cast Freddy Prince Jr as a lead is put Starship troopers and wing commander on a double

[01:37:52] [SPEAKER_06]: go yeah you want to talk about a cinematic laxative a celluloid a celluloid suppository that will

[01:37:59] [SPEAKER_06]: clean you out watch those two movies side by side and I remember I remember what was Starship

[01:38:07] [SPEAKER_06]: troopers on that that was that was the year I remember everybody as troopers came out when 90

[01:38:15] [SPEAKER_05]: 97 and people talking about the call it of the shower co-ed scene and it's like but yeah

[01:38:21] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah it depends and I didn't care for it when I first saw it I've grown to like it since but

[01:38:27] [SPEAKER_05]: it's not for everyone compared to Robins earlier satire because what it's going to be a trivia

[01:38:33] [SPEAKER_06]: what movie was the number one movie but was so bad even people were going we have to watch it

[01:38:42] [SPEAKER_06]: in Starship troopers and Wing Commander it was based on a video game yeah and despite having

[01:38:48] [SPEAKER_05]: the game guys involved they just went a bizarre route and the acting isn't sufferable to where

[01:38:54] [SPEAKER_05]: you literally have to mute it if you want to get through it and just watch the action

[01:38:59] [SPEAKER_05]: I just couldn't resist it's just because there are just some actors who just can't carry a movie

[01:39:04] [SPEAKER_05]: and then you see them on tv and you're like yeah but you're not much better you're really bad at

[01:39:08] [SPEAKER_06]: having your own sitcom or you're current because I'll give I'll give you the king of like

[01:39:15] [SPEAKER_06]: guys who have made shit movies and are still well known Marjo Gortner

[01:39:20] [SPEAKER_06]: here because the guy was in earthquake

[01:39:28] [SPEAKER_06]: he was in well he's in a really good movie called Star Crash you know he was well known

[01:39:35] [SPEAKER_06]: you know he did a great great documentary for about being a you know evangelical preacher

[01:39:43] [SPEAKER_06]: about the truth behind it all called Marjo great movie to watch you have to watch it

[01:39:48] [SPEAKER_06]: it's a great movie but he was when you talk about Star Crash that's one of those movies like I said

[01:39:53] [SPEAKER_06]: you put it on with another movie like let's say you know Battle Beyond the Stars

[01:40:00] [SPEAKER_06]: you're gonna you're gonna cleanse your palate you're gonna be like what the hell happened yeah

[01:40:07] [SPEAKER_06]: there's one movie you guys have to see that I've been trying to look for on

[01:40:11] [SPEAKER_06]: a DVD called Nocturna which was Nocturna which was a Dracula's granddaughter

[01:40:22] [SPEAKER_06]: it's with it's with Brother Theodore John Paredine and Yvonne the Carlo

[01:40:30] [SPEAKER_06]: and the girl who's in who pushed Nocturna granddaughter okay yeah he speaks to New York

[01:40:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Dax and she goes like he's going what are you're going to do she's I'm going to

[01:40:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Kitty I'm gonna be I'm gonna find I'm gonna I'm gonna move there and I'm like she's supposed to be like

[01:40:48] [SPEAKER_06]: you know Romanian I'm going Kitty you know that would definitely make a great double

[01:40:55] [SPEAKER_05]: feature with Jesse James versus uh what was it Dracula and then there's the other one

[01:41:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Frankenstein versus something all with John Paredine is like he was the king

[01:41:06] [SPEAKER_06]: and an old Dracula there you go

[01:41:11] [SPEAKER_05]: this has been a delight guys I love the John Paredine uh he has made anything just bizarre

[01:41:25] [SPEAKER_05]: just worth suffering for because you know he did his damn job these were all good picks guys you

[01:41:32] [SPEAKER_05]: know just some of these they really do kind of leap out of you in waves where you're just like oh that's

[01:41:37] [SPEAKER_05]: fucking right that was a thing why was it a thing I don't know why it was a thing just these

[01:41:43] [SPEAKER_05]: trends they're even more unpredictable now but even then you're just like half the movie if you

[01:41:49] [SPEAKER_05]: broke it down it's like they're going by the cast of Blanket routine but if the war propaganda

[01:41:54] [SPEAKER_05]: was replaced with you know in-movie advertising just Coca-Cola and NBA especially would just

[01:42:00] [SPEAKER_05]: spit out the ass just for you know in-movie advertising there's like you've got we get

[01:42:05] [SPEAKER_05]: you gotta see our products in there you gotta rewrite it to where the fortunately I think

[01:42:10] [SPEAKER_05]: they learned from the Coca-Cola kid is like don't do it to where you literally hit it too

[01:42:15] [SPEAKER_05]: on the head yeah where the whole movie is literally an infomercial with a weird ass

[01:42:20] [SPEAKER_07]: plot that doesn't help sell the product yeah like the scene from Wayne's first Wayne's world where

[01:42:27] [SPEAKER_07]: they were just doing product product and one after another and that's up to me as probably one of the

[01:42:37] [SPEAKER_05]: one of the funniest moments of that movie you gotta be smarter than the average bear and

[01:42:44] [SPEAKER_05]: it's kind of what those that movie did is and having listened to the Hans and Franz

[01:42:50] [SPEAKER_05]: audio special by Conan I definitely wish that one had become a thing too because they

[01:42:54] [SPEAKER_05]: they worked in a lot of Wayne's world characters in there to make it more meta

[01:42:58] [SPEAKER_05]: in fact Roger Ebert was even one of the villains in it

[01:43:04] [SPEAKER_05]: so this has been a delight all I will catch up with you next week

[01:43:08] [SPEAKER_05]: yep stay classy out there more stuff and make sure if you're watching cheesy movies it's with

[01:43:15] [SPEAKER_05]: someone who can stand them

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