Tribute to Comedic Filmmaker Kevin Smith

[00:00:00] This podcast is a production of Unfiltered Studios. If you would like to know more about joining Unfiltered Studios, please visit our website at unfpod.com for more information. Kevin Smith sucks, by the way. Oh, sorry. Oh! Perfect way to end. Oh, Kevin Smith. You never know. So now we got to see J.M. Fallenbaum versus Tag Team. Oh, shit. Yeah, Ryan, I was born in Morristown. I'm in Brick.

[00:00:30] There you go. I grew up in Mahwah. You got to meet each other at the next convention or live screening. Do it. I'll buy him a beer. We'll fucking sit there and talk and talk about how much I hate Kevin Smith. Oreo, you brought your usual snarkiness. Thank you. Maybe we can get Kevin in on that conversation. I'd tell him to his face he sucked. I did, actually, because he was at my job a couple months ago. And he shook my hand and he goes, How you doing?

[00:00:59] I go, I'm not a big fan of you. Nobody came about that. He failed to mention it. It's his job. He was a super nice guy. I'm not going to shit talk him as a guy. I just need to... You just don't like his filmography. That's wild, dude. I was on Galaxy of Film a few months back and someone had a funny story about how they told Christopher Nolan his plot twist. He was not the grocery store. So that is like the second best personal in-person celebrity I've seen. I love him as a human. I'll just say this.

[00:01:29] I got my autograph from Tommy... Tom Savini and I wanted my money back immediately. He did not want to be there. He was the rudest guy I've ever met. Still not a great talent. That's the general consensus and the cons I've been to. That's Tom Savini. He's kind of a dick. That's why she's an asshole. Oh, no, no. You got to say it like Cam and Ferris Bueller. I told you, he's an asshole. He's an asshole. What am I French?

[00:01:59] But you're an asshole. You're an asshole. Looks like me when I'm about to hit play on a Kevin Smith movie. And that's me two minutes into a Kevin Smith movie. And three minutes into a Kevin Smith movie. Two and a half if it's cop out.

[00:03:07] Home skillets. In the Greek name, words of the Greek plots for J. Snoochie. Snoochie. I'll just say I'm not even supposed to be here today. So are we saying already Kevin Smith brings people together? Yep. All right. Perfect. And you have a milkshake to bring all the boys to the yard.

[00:03:39] Well, it kind of makes you wish he, you know, with what all his friends get from him, you know, kind of wish I was his friend. Tim, how did you get into this mad world of Kevin Smith? Oh, I've been in there since day one. Nice. I rented Clerks when it was first released on home video after watching a review on Fiscal and Ebert. Yeah, my boys. And I was forced to stop it because my mom wasn't happy with the language.

[00:04:10] Oh, Paris. Yeah, it took me seven hours to watch Clerks. No, I was 27 when Clerks came out. I didn't jump on the bandwagon with that. First thing for me was Mallrats, and then I later went back and saw Clerks. Yeah, me too. I started watching Mallrats at a friend's place. We were just kind of hanging out, and I saw that. It's like, that's kind of funny. I like that.

[00:04:35] Yeah, I always had an idea of who he was just because he was just, even by the early events of the internet, by 98, like, heaven was everywhere. He was on every other talk show, doing all kinds of uncredited script writing and comedy show contributions, and it wasn't hard to get access to his movies because they were on Comedy Central, or you could easily find them split up in parts on YouTube, and my cousins and I, like, knew so many lines from them verbatim.

[00:05:03] My sister, who didn't know how to access Blue Comedy, was like, how do you know about that? I'm like, trust me, you just know. When you know, you know. And it is wild, though. Like, his movies are standalone, but they're all, much like Tarantino, somewhat connected. But that's for the people who end up appreciating the world. It's just interesting how he takes a perspective on it each and every time. He'll do one that's about equality marriage. He'll do one that's making fun of religion.

[00:05:30] And then he'll do his own opus, which is basically on just all kinds of mischief. And I know some people have kind of wanted to talk shit about him. Don't get me wrong. He does have some bad movies of late. But I think that's just it. Because he was always kind of an indie guy doing what he wanted, much like fellow comrades, like Robert Rodriguez and Paul Thomas Anderson. He just kind of was in that mold. It's like, yeah, I'm going to do my own thing. And it is very surreal to shoot the first Clerks movie in black and white.

[00:05:59] Like, it gives you that whole kind of over-the-counter feel. Until it's not even trying to be a noir tribute. It's just kind of just straight up. It's like, hey, do you think your life is boring? Kind of remind you of the security cameras you'd have in those kinds of places. Yeah. Yeah. That did see... Spike Lee did the same thing, too. Oh, right? No kidding. And that was what was cool, too, is he would comment on other fellow filmmakers. He would be like, oh, yeah, Spike Lee's doing the right thing. Man, that's a powerful movie.

[00:06:27] And then he'd talk about his buddy Tarantino. And so I was like, yeah, he really did make good use of it. And he has always recognized his fan base. He's been like, yeah, do me a favor. You know, buy the movie used. But it is very cool that the rights to dogma got bought away from Weinstein so he can now finally show it wherever he pleases. Weinstein, also known as he who shall not be named. Right. The elephant in the room who we want to just space into space. So, Jeremy, great to have you on here, buddy.

[00:06:57] How you been? Yeah. Good to finally get on one of your fucking shows. It's only been like two years. Right. Good to have you on an episode that's not just brackets. He's had me on some great ones. It's like, I can't decide which is the better of these songs. I'm just going to flip a coin. But Oreo's back. How are you, buddy? I'm here. But you're doing better. Uploading shit, so. So what is your overall thoughts on Kevin?

[00:07:25] And like how he kind of strives for quirky comedy with catchy dialogue and outrageous characters? I mean, he's basically, he's like the semi-serious version of Leslie Nielsen in a way. Yeah.

[00:07:40] He's the semi-serious version of Leslie Nielsen made Saturday and Sunday afternoon movies on USA Network that go unnoticed, but still have a cult following decades later. Right. And TNT late too. And it is so wild. He didn't really go into so much of the sci-fi geek.

[00:08:03] He kind of, I mean, other than sneaking in Star Wars references, he mainly would kind of focus on, I'm just going to make fun of stuff that everyone's thinking, but kind of afraid to say. It's like, what do you do if you find out your girlfriend's cheating? He's basically Mel Brooks' brother. I kind of got that sense. Yeah. That's actually funny because we actually did a Kevin Smith versus Mel Brooks bracket. Did you really? How'd that go? No, it was a rough one. It was a rough one.

[00:08:32] No one could make up their mind. I got the crossover for you. Bleeding saddles, chasing Amy. Bleeding Amy. Oh! Ew. Is there any drug references in Mel Brooks' movies? I don't think there are. Not really, no. Alcohol. Yeah. I mean. He'd make fun of vices, but it's kind of more restricted to sex and crudity. But Kevin's interesting too because like. He's more social commentary.

[00:09:01] He's social commentary, but he's also kind of a self-aware high schooler. And I know some people would get sick of his stuff post-2001-ish, but I think he did a good job of at least like, even though he's making, you know, oral sex jokes and gay humor every other minute, it's more just a matter of just like self-aware off color, if you will. Like it's not. It helps as a director that he has branched out to other venues doing other things and becoming his own pitch man, basically.

[00:09:31] Oh God. I mean, Batman Beyond is just basically a two hour long jerk off session for him. Yeah. I was thinking about that when I was watching Southland Tales the other week. He's in that too. That's right. Yeah. I was like, wow, two directors, one's acting, the other's directing. And you know he's a geek when you name your daughter after, you know, Harley Quinn. Yeah. And gave her the bat from Suicide Squad too. Yep.

[00:09:57] He did some of those DC Arrowverse shows. And I think it helped that I didn't watch all of his standup comedy night specials, but I think that was what was interesting. He's pretty much just going on what I would call an organized rant. Like, he's just, is like telling you about all the crazy Hollywood stories, encounters he's had. And it's like, he's just kind of a walking diary of shenanigans.

[00:10:27] It's just. I'm surprised. I never saw it. Angel and Buffy. Right? How did he not get on that train? I like the story he tells about the giant spider. Oh, I haven't heard that one. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I did hear that. The Wild Wild West. Yeah. That ended up. That was meant for the Superman lives. Yeah. The guy who's pushing that Uber or something like that. Yeah. It's a great dog. But yeah, I was so pissed. I'm like, John Peters. Why? Why would you? Why?

[00:10:57] Why the hell would you put that in a such an unrelated property? It's like it's meant for a Superman, not for a Will Smith bad remake of a classic TV show. Why would you do that? And I think that's it. Because why not? Yeah. Why the hell not? Because Chico needed the money. Because we wanted to see it, I guess. Chico definitely needed some serious green. And I think that's it. Like he's a self-aware geek, but he's also he gets so emotional in a good way.

[00:11:26] I think that's why people love him. He cries over everything, though. Like he gets so I mean, it's part of being stoned all the time, I think. But like he cries over. Yeah. He cries over every fucking thing. Like, it's just I've listened to some of his standup stuff and it's fucking hilarious, especially when he talks about, like, you know, shit that he does. And he's like, he's like, I didn't know that was going to happen kind of shit. He does. Are you talking more, JJ, about his Q&A stuff that he did?

[00:11:54] But no, there's a there's a yeah, there's a there's like I when I had first off, when I had my car, I had a comedy greats of Sirius XM and they would have some of the stuff that he did. And it was pretty it was pretty funny, you know, from what I what I heard. He's very lively, but it is interesting how he's I would tie him with not in terms of talent. That's not what I'm going for.

[00:12:20] Like, I he he is interesting because much like Shane Black and Joe Dante and even Tarantino, he will share you all these horror stories behind the scenes. It's like, oh, I'm not making this up. This came from an executive's mouth. Can you believe the shit they tell me? The notes they give me? He challenges himself in a very unusual way. Like, this is like it doesn't always pay off. Like, I thought it was so funny how meta he was. He was kind of meta.

[00:12:47] It was already a thing, but he was kind of popularizing it for the Internet culture. And it was like, I'm going to make a good movie with Ben Half-Lock and J-Lo. I'm going to make a movie with my boy, Bruce Willis. Oh, well, that was a mistake. And so then it's even funnier how that he returns. What's the one he did through with Bruce Willis? Oh, God, that. Oh, that was bad. And but he's forgiven Bruce since since he found out he was in a bad place.

[00:13:13] But yeah, I think he was more annoyed that he was using Tracy Morgan and he didn't he just didn't have his best stuff together. But I think that's the other thing, too, is given the I forgive him for any bad movies he's made, because hearing all the other stuff he's said about Weinstein and how the prick was just so unhelpful. Oh, yeah. Just take money away for no reason. And you're like, do you want this movie to suck? Because that's how you make it. It turns out he's a bad dude. I guess. Yeah.

[00:13:43] Who would have guessed? Yeah. Who wouldn't have? As if the loud argument. He seemed like he was such a nice church boy. Yeah. All the put downs. That was just Christian enough, I guess, in Hollywood. Anyway, yeah. He's a diehard four, too, correct? Right. That's that's how as the warlock. And so that's what started the Bruce Willis friendship. But I think that's his debt. I think he should have just approached other people and kept up with just the quirkiness.

[00:14:08] But I also kind of respect him for kind of not selling out and just doing very schlocky sitcoms or anything. He's like, no, I'm if I'm going to do a comedy, much like Spike Lee, it is going to be my joint. It is going to be I have full. It's his terms or no other terms. That's what it is. Exactly. And he's not making unreasonable terms. He can get it done for a million. Yeah. And he did sitcom episodes. Right. Right. But but I mean, Reaper, he did Flash, Supergirl, the Goldbergs.

[00:14:35] That was actually what's the only oh, he appeared on Phineas and Ferb. That's right. He did. Oh, yes. But what I mean is he didn't just like only do sitcoms like stuff he didn't want to do. He just kind of did stuff. It's like if you ask me to, I will. So I'm going to tell a hysterical story. Josh, I'm sure you've heard this one. Have you heard the hysterical story about working with Alan Rickman on Dogma? No. OK, so this is a hysterical one.

[00:15:00] And so, like, you know, I kid you not, he casted Alan Rickman in Dogma after he actually saw him in a random interview in 97 saying that Chasing Amy was one of his favorite movies of the year. And he's like, you know what? I got a role just for you. But I love it. His presence alone caused Jason Mewes, you know, his comrade Jay. He's still going for a drug problem at this time. And but Jay musters up. He's like, I'm going to be on my absolute best behavior.

[00:15:28] I'm going to memorize not only my lines, but the entire screenplay. I'm going to pull Sam Jackson here. And in Mew's own words, I don't want to piss off that Rickman dude. Yeah. My understanding was Rickman really enjoyed his time with Kevin. Yeah. Oh, he just elevates people. He did the same thing with Tim Allen on Galaxy Quest. That's true. He's like, yeah, there's this great story about him being like, yeah, I think that's the first time he ever actually had to act and he didn't know what was going on. I've been wanting to be feeling.

[00:15:58] I've been wanting to buy that diary for a while. It's like just Rickman himself. I think Kevin already kind of like Judd Apatow. He was kind of a feel good kind of comedy guy. And Rickman is very spiritual and just laid back. And yeah, as long as you're not a legend. Well, and that's just it. But I think that's just it. Like people think, oh, why would you want to work with the top notch Shakespearean guy? It's like I was a legend. Just because you're a Shakespearean guy doesn't mean you're diva.

[00:16:24] It's just one of those is like as long as something's getting done and no one's, you know, late to set every day or hours are going by without any footage in the can, you're not going to have any problem with most actors. It's just people like to think, oh, you're only good at this goofy kind of tone. Therefore, you must be a goof off. And it's like, no, that's not true. He's he's a goof around, but he's not actually goofing off on set. He has his storyboards and comedy ideas he wants to try, you know, see Michael Keaton, for example.

[00:16:53] There you go. Yeah. Saved so many movies, which would have otherwise been obscure. Like that whole Batman movie. Nobody would have heard about that. What the hell is that, man? Well, well, I'm not bad, man. I said, man, not Batman. Sorry, you're going to have to say James. I was really into comic books, like in the late 90s and the 90s and shit.

[00:17:23] And they said, oh, yeah, Kevin Smith's doing Green Arrow. Now he's having a signing at the local mall where I am. Right. And my girlfriend eventually who became my first wife says, can you go and have him sign my copy of the clerk's comic book for me? It was the clerk's graphic novel that came out like in 90s. Oh, shit. Yeah. So there I am online with a whole bunch of other people.

[00:17:53] I'm standing there. I've got my I got my my my you know, my big ass trench coat on my baseball cap. And I had like a beard at the time. Right. So I'm like, I and I had my sweatshirt on, too. I had a sweatshirt on because it was like November and shit. And, you know, I'm like sitting there and like all of a sudden, like I walk up to him like, hey, what's up, Kevin? He's like, everybody's talking about clerks, you know, shit, you know, you know, all this shit. I'm like, dude, you're doing the Green Arrow. He's like, yeah.

[00:18:23] He's like, you know, I said, writing Wizard Magazine. He's like, holy shit. You know, it was like he was kind of like taken aback. Like everybody else kept talking about like clerks. And, you know, it's like that that thing, you know, you hear everybody going repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat. There's that one guy that just says like, you know, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, fuck. You know, I have a 90 night story about clerks. You know, I heard, you know, 37. I keep hearing that thing all the time.

[00:18:51] You know, Kevin recently was on blank check with Griffin and. David. It's a fun laid back podcast, but I love how he's he was just joking about how it's such a Hollywood, such a small town. And half the time people forget they've already worked with each other. Like he bumped into Alec Baldwin. It's a recent just like comedy show. This is like three years ago or something like that. And it was just so funny. He's like, oh, that's right. You did Leonardo Leonardo. Yeah. I was going to say that. Yeah.

[00:19:20] The clerk's cartoon and it took Gallagher. And he's like, that's right. We did do that. That was some funny dialogue. You're having me say in the booth. And so that's just that people don't always remember all the experiences. And I think that's just it. Like he just turns this out so fast, but it's not workmanlike. It's really is just like passionate. Just say, create wacky characters and have fun creating this crazy world.

[00:19:43] Like, and I think it's even funnier is like he's in his every one of his movies, but he's playing Silent Bob, but he's still playing around with some funny body language, even though he's not talking much. Yeah. Or he saves it for like a final few minutes of a movie or something. Is it Mallrats or Strike Back where like he doesn't say anything the entire movie and then he finds it? Strike Back. Yeah. The sign. On the truck. The sign. On the truck. And then I think in another one, he just lets out. He doesn't say anything except, fuck, I'm listening.

[00:20:13] You know, or something like that. On JJ's story, it's funny. Wizard Magazine shows up as a key plot point in J and Sarah. Moritz. Yeah. He says, I read this to Wizard Magazine and you're ripping off your comic. So. Yeah. What if he picked that up from JJ, you know? That's the thing because Wizard back then, they would like try to like pick like, like if they were doing an Avengers movie, like who would they cast in it and shit like that.

[00:20:42] And this is like way before. No, Wizard was like, that's the nerdy thing to do. Like that was it. Now, everybody does a fan casting now, but like he, they were like starting it up the popularity. That's the only place you could learn about shit like that, like nerdy comic book stuff. Yeah. And anybody on the internet, it was just Wizard. Right. I can remember they were talking about the Authority, which was like the, you know, the hip new comic that was going to be out.

[00:21:08] And, you know, that kind of like, I don't know how long that lasted for the Authority, but it was like, you know, it was like, oh, this comic book's great because, you know, it's. I think it was a while. Yeah. Yeah. Take, you know, taking, taking all the superhero, you know, genre to a whole new step. I'm like, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. You know, but they were like, that's the thing with Wizard. It was like always like breaking, like, you know, it was like, it was like either they were like 95% or 97% of the time. Right. And what they were talking about.

[00:21:34] And what that had happened was, was that they killed off Oliver Queen as Green Arrow. Right. Yep. DC had done that. And there was a big fucking brouhaha, you know, like the new, you know, Superman's dead too. Yeah. Let's bring them back. Yeah. They, they, they pulled that. They, they were like, they're like, you know, oh, really? What the, what the fuck, man? They killed off. What the fuck? Kill off Green Arrow. So that's just it. Like Kevin was really good. Like he's an organized nerd.

[00:22:03] Like he's just saying rational things. He's not just, I'm going to talk shit for the hell of it. He's always like, why would you do something like that? Like he is the kind of guy, if you're going to bring up something nerdy and he leads with the so-called nerdy argument, like he's that go-to guy instead of, but I don't know what you're talking about. Like people who don't read comic books can follow him. What do you remember? Like in Mallrats where he has him and, uh, well, is it Brody? I can't remember who it is, but they're having a conversation about Superman's sperm.

[00:22:34] Yeah. Yeah. I remember that. Just in case someone wanted to know. He's talking to Stan Lee about the thing's dork. Yeah. Someone wanted to know about it. And, and he uses it to create the characters so they don't all sound like the same geek, you know, geeking out. They, and he gives them all weird quirks. He gives the gross security guard, like weird stuff to do. He has Claire Ferlani play against type as a beautiful individual. It's just so funny how he, anyone who guest appears in his movies.

[00:23:03] And Stan Ol' Thorson is the security guard. That's my bad. Yeah. So Vin gets something to do as a security and yeah, Riker's doing weird stuff with his donut. And you're like, what the fuck are you doing? It was a pretzel. A pretzel. That's what it was. A chocolate pretzel. They're really covered in shit. You know, Kevin Smith's films, he always had the best casts. And I think about that compared to Southland Tales.

[00:23:27] Like that was basically the best combination of A-list and TV at that time. And you look back at Kevin Smith's filmography. And he had a lot of future A-listers long before they were even considered A-listers. You gotta think, like he has Jody Lauren Adams in Cheesy Amy. She was so good. Like that introduced me to her. I'm like, oh my God.

[00:23:52] Like she's good with comedy and just everyday quirky stuff to talk about. And he keeps using those same guys. Like they, he for me is like, here's how you do it. Like here's how you make all your movies and they're loosely connected to each other. But anytime his characters appear, like they don't intrude upon the narrative. Like some of them appear in Strike Back, but they don't mess with it. They're just there at the end to just kind of compliment Jane Silent Bob.

[00:24:20] Like, and it is funny how, yeah. And judging, I almost said judging. That would have been dumb. Judging Amy. Yeah, that would have been hysterical. Or judging her. He is saving and judging. But yeah. Isn't that like a CBS procedural? Dural. Oh yeah, it is. Legal drama. I accidentally said that. But yeah. So it's so funny. We have to chase Amy to save Amy. And then just. But then later there's also Chasing Dogma. Oh. Oh God. But yeah.

[00:24:49] That's a literal, that's an actual graphic novel. It's sort of the sequel to the Clerks graphic novel. Oh. I will have to check that out. It basically takes place between, between Chasing Amy and Dogma. And it has one of my favorite comic book scenes of all time. Jay and Silent Bob meet Mr. Rogers and he's a complete dick. Oh. Yeah. Oh, that's amazing. But yeah. I love how Chasing Amy, like, it brings up all this stuff about dating and sex and. Chasing Amy. Chasing Amy.

[00:25:20] If you're like right out of high school. Chasing Amy is like the movie where you're just sitting there going. Okay. Who's the one that got away and you keep thinking about her. Yeah. And you. I can't. I can't remember watching. It's not lust. It's just, I legit want to know what happened to this cool individual. It changed my life. And I love how. Well, and before you go on, I like how Silent Bob and Jay in that are just supporting. They're not the main guys in that compared to some of the other ones. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:25:48] Because when he does like Snoochie Boochies, who the hell says that? That's like a four to five year old fucking says. That was definitely an ad lib. And he's like, and like when they're in the diner, he says, he says, did you know what you don't know about me can fill the fucking Grand Canyon? He does like the jazz hands. I fucking laughed my ass off when he said that. You're always chasing Amy. What do you mean? Well, there was this. He talks about it. He's like, there's this girl and, you know, you like her. Right.

[00:26:18] And it's like, you know, you just keep, you keep thinking about her all the time. You're like thinking to yourself, Jesus. What did I get wrong? You know, where did I go wrong? He's like, where the fuck did you come up with that, man? It's like, dude, do you even know about what I thought you always wanted to be a jazz dancer? It just is. Hey, well, you know what about me can fill the fucking Grand Canyon. And I mean, when he said that, I was just like, oh, you were all just sitting there. That's the best fucking part of that whole downward shift of Ben Affleck's character.

[00:26:46] Oh, Kevin, Kevin, Kevin Smith is the reason Ben Affleck isn't career isn't dead. Yeah. He was struggling in the early 2000s after Good Will Hunting, and then he kind of brought him back up. He's like, see, he can still be funny. Yeah. And again, Affleck was the bomb in Phantoms. Right. And he brought more awareness to the movie Phantoms, which is a fun mystery movie. Most people wouldn't have seen it had Kevin Smith not hyped it up. Yeah.

[00:27:15] It's fucking funny how humble Kevin Smith is about that, too, that he was afraid to call Ben Affleck for reboot because he didn't want to bother. Like, you made this career what it is, and you don't want to go get the phone call. It's like, you can call him still. He has an ego, but it's not that bad. It's just with Chase and Tell. Yeah. It is funny, though. But it's true, I think.

[00:27:39] And Kevin, he's every right to be cautious because I think he's so used to the horror stories. He doesn't mouth off. He pretty much would save his mouthing off for like a DVD commentary track back in the day. Yeah. So people still found out the goodies. They still found out all the secrets he knew. He just didn't make the mistake that most people do where they would, you know, mouth off in front of the Zach and get fired. You know, he's like, OK, but I think he got around it.

[00:28:08] Like, it's not him talking shit so much as it is. It is the blunt truth. But I'm also funny about it because I've had time to ponder this and state it the way I'm going to state it. And it's just it's like if someone were to be he he could have easily been an investigative journalist if he really wanted to. But he would say it in a more honest way where you're like, yeah, that makes way better sense instead of that depressed.

[00:28:33] You see, his movies like if I watch if I watch Clerks, if I am watching Clerks, right, that movie is every thought I had when I was 16, 17, 18, 19. I really related to it. I was like, if you work, if you work a job out of shit, you know, I served ice cream, right? And I would just be like sitting there and I'd be like, this is like this is this is a menial job. I fucking hate the people, you know, the people I work with sometimes they're shit. What the fuck?

[00:29:03] What the fuck am I doing here? You watch Clerks and you're like, oh, my God, he's writing about me. OK, then you get to chase. You need to get the mall rats. OK, kind of good. You know, it's a classic. You know, it's fun. It's a college. It's fun. OK, Clerks is the indie darling. Well, Mallrats, I think, is a college gym. That's is a college. Not only that, if you have to watch it, it's like this like it's like it's like it's like

[00:29:29] It's like the awkward phase for the teenager, you know, with this with this movie career. Then he goes and he does what he does. He does dogma right after that. Yeah. After chasing. Chasing Amy. Yeah. So just chasing Amy. Chasing Amy is, you know, those are unique because I did know some people that was like their first intro. They saw either Amy or Dogma first and then they went back to Clerks. And I'm like, yeah, interesting.

[00:29:55] Who saw Jay and Silent Bob strike back and didn't know it was a part five. Oh, really? I'm like, you know, there's like five other films they were in. Really? Like what? That's wild. That was me. Well, like that was fucking me. Nice. OK. No, I'm not trying to shame anyone. It's just interesting. I'm just trying to think of watching it in that order, you know, like the whole Jersey girl come out. Oh, for that was his apology for Jigglypeter.

[00:30:24] He's like, let me help out my boy Ben. And yeah, I got to say, you can take it or leave it. But George Carlin's really excellent in that movie. I think personally. I was the father. Yeah, he's fucking great. I love it. I like the small part. He's good in everything. And again, he was great in Shining Time Station, man. Yeah. No kidding. That was my intro. And my folks would always laugh behind my back. He's like, wait till you get older. My thing was this.

[00:30:51] When I would watch when I'd watch the stand up, he's like, yeah, fuck the children. Yeah. This is Mr. Conductor talking. And I mean, I was just I just remember like how how like he he took Carlin's career. Right. Which was one of the greatest if not the greatest stand up of all time and fucking made him like this. Like, you know, it gives him like, you know, Cardinal Glick in Dogma. And that's just a walking joke right there.

[00:31:18] Gives him the dad in a in a, you know, in Jersey Girl, which I think is a great movie to watch. You know, he would take people out of the blue. Like if you remember when they did James Silent Bob Strike Back, he does that. And he put up with a lot of shit. You know, Weinstein's were about to grow a big head at that point and Mr. Mark's stuff. And Jason Mewes was in a terrible place at that time to where he really had to keep track of him. And there were some days where he's like, just stand in the corner and wait to be called.

[00:31:47] You know, it's like, I don't hate you, but you're until you go to drug, you know, rehab, you know, I just need to shut up while I, you know, record stuff and get other stuff shot. And I mean, I am impressed by that movie. Not only that he has to balance out all the other comrades, you know, he's working with Tracy Morgan there. He's letting Chris Rock do his thing as the director of the movie within the movie. Then he's having Wes Craven do the cameo. And then even having Will Ferrell as the wannabe, you know, you know, Marshall Will and Holly.

[00:32:17] Marshall Will and Holly. So great. Such a funny. We're looking for the clip. But we don't know where the clip is. That's, you know, and then he puts Shannon Elizabeth in it. And I'm like, OK, you know, Nadia from freaking American Pie. He puts her in. She's one of the thieves. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm like, you know, she's funny. She's beautiful, but she's funny, you know. But who?

[00:32:44] So Jersey girl, who has been Affleck's romantic interest in that? Let Tyler. Yeah. I was going to say with Tyler. Live Tyler. OK. He is. He is. He is. Live Tyler. Who's just coming off of Lord of the Rings. Totally. You know, it gets me. You know, it gets me. The whole Jersey thing is right there in front of you. If you if you watch the view of Skew Universe, it's the whole fucking Jersey experience. Exactly.

[00:33:11] When you're a kid, you just you just you just like, oh, shit. You know, this is what I'm 50. I turned 50. I was like watching Clerks for the first time. And I was like, oh, my God, this is what it was like for me growing up. I this movie, I really related more to that movie. He knows how to mix blue collar humor along with middle middle class lifestyle and just all kinds of other shenanigans. Most people are going to remember all the nerdy dialogue he has, but he has all these other things like, oh, my God, I never noticed that.

[00:33:41] I was too busy listening to his risque take on Love and Sex. And I didn't realize, oh, yeah, he did sneak in a funny thing about a convenience store or a clerk or going to a doctor's office. Well, you know, the thing I love the thing I love about when they did the clerks cartoon is that they were going to get Jerry Seinfeld to do it, to do a voiceover. Why did he? Gilbert Gottfried says, hey, I just need some coffee. And I'm here and I'm like, no, that's Gilbert.

[00:34:10] That's definitely fucking Gilbert. Hey! Are you close? Was it Gilbert? Was it Gilbert Gottfried or was it Patrick Swayze? Gilbert Gottfried did the voice of Patrick Swayze in the show. Oh, that's right. That's right. And the horse, Point Break. Well, he called it Point Break and several other movies. Well, and I respect Carlin.

[00:34:39] I think Carlin gave him some more cred because Carlin, according to I have heard many interviews with his daughter, Kelly, and it's so funny. She loves stand up, but hates performing on it. And when she was helping her dad in the sitcom world, they always were like, we're going to do a sitcom, but it's going to be an anti sitcom. So I think that's his debt. Like, as long as you tell him, hey, I'm going again, I'm very atypical. I'm going against the grain. You know, he's like, I'm down to experiment and do a wacky premise with you because I know you're not going to play by any rules.

[00:35:09] You're still a nice guy and all, but I just like, it is interesting how he's edgy in a very unusual way. Like, he's not doing it to offend anybody. He's just doing it. He's like, I'm going to just, no one else talks like me or acts like me, but I'm going to end up with him. The entire conversation with, about, at the comic book convention, at the very beginning

[00:35:34] where they had that black militant putting out a comic book and you have Jason, Jason Swartzman. No, not Jason Swartzman. It was Jason Lee. He stood up. Oh, that's right. Yeah. He said, what's a Nubian? What's a Nubian? Yeah. He has so many great lines in all his movies and I'm always like, that was freaking Jason Lee.

[00:36:00] But the cool thing about that is that he goes one way, he sets you up one way, and at the very end you realize that the Milton Black guy was just playing it up and doing it to hide that he was homosexual. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Another level of subversiveness. But it is one of my favorite movie scenes of all time. That's an entire split about that one comic book. I know.

[00:36:27] Having it be completely, completely fabricated. Yeah. That's true. It's like, so Seinfeld has conversations that are ultimately about nothing, but mere real life's kind of meaningless at times. And he kind of does similar kind of, you're not going to remember this chat, but you will because it ended just so abruptly. You're like, wait, what? It's the part where, it's the part in like I love in Clarkson when he's, when the woman's talking, she's like, what did you do for this?

[00:36:57] She's like, I manually masturbate monkeys for, and you're just like, what the fuck? Yeah. That was his sister. Yeah. It's always out of nowhere. And you're like, I am so glad to not meet a weirdo like you. The one part I love in Clerks is when, when Caitlin, Caitlin Brie comes out and they keep, they keep messing up who she's marrying. She goes from Asian design major to an Asian drum major.

[00:37:26] But the part where she, she comes out of the bathroom, she's like, oh, that was so great. She's like, she's like, he's like, what are you talking about? She's like, oh, I never, I've never had that experience before. You were, you're amazing, Dante. She's like, what, wait, what do you mean? I wasn't in the bathroom. Who the fuck, what the hell happened? Yeah. Oh my God. The old guy. What, you fucked a corpse? Oh my God. Jesus Christ. And then, then she's like, she's like getting taken away.

[00:37:53] And then all of a sudden you see the, the, the, the stretcher getting taken away. There's the sheet and you see the hard on under the sheet. Oh my God. I forgot about that. It's such a, it's such a, it's such a great way of just looking at it going like, like, oh, I, uh, how did I get here? Oh Jesus. Yeah. I don't know. Or when they go to the funeral, when they go to the funeral for the girl who died, broke her neck while swimming. Yeah. And what, what does he do? He goes, how does he drop, he dropped his keys in the casket?

[00:38:23] Uh, something like that. Yeah. Oh God. I was laughing my ass off at that. You know, his movies are over. His movie has got over. It's something like that. But I, I, I gotta say his movies are still funny, even if they're modified on TV. Like it's so funny how they cut out part of the George Carlin scene. Cause he's blowing a truck driver. But yeah. Then you see part of it when they do the curtain call at the end, they're, you know, crediting everybody. I'm like, how funny. And it seems to be a blooper and he's just trying not to crack up.

[00:38:52] He's like, I'm about to do the most blue comedy thing. You can make me do right now in one of your movies. One of the things I love is getting Carrie Fisher. That was great. That was that movie. And, and, and, and, and she's Mark Hamill is a cock, not cock. It's just the dialogue that comes out of his mouth. And it's like, all I got to say is no, no more Harry nun pussy. It's all I got to say.

[00:39:20] All I'm going to say is, I'll always say is if it was Carrie Fisher and she dressed as a nut, I would have gone down on her just to like, you know, Hey, you know what? I went down like Carrie Fisher, you know, um, she could dress as anything, dude. She could dress as the Easter bunny. I wouldn't give a shit, you know? Well, and I think this was just, you know, that's after Austin power. So it is just funny how like she spends the two thousands, just making very unusual cameos that are just so convenient. You're like, Oh my fucking God, that's fucking princess. Who would have guessed?

[00:39:50] When he does, when Mark Hamill comes out and says, look kids, it's Mark Hamill. Yeah. Yeah. They put a caption up, right? Yeah. Yeah. Combo caption. I know he did red state. Yeah. I, you know, I can't find it. Like you can't find it anywhere. So I'm just going to say this. I've heard a lot of his movies. I didn't care for any of his sci-fi horror comedies, but was there anyone that watched the, what was it? Walrus. Yeah. I didn't watch that.

[00:40:19] That was weird. I had a coworker say she couldn't get through it today. Oh yeah. I couldn't, I couldn't do Tusk. I was just like, this is dumb. And then when you find out it's related to that utter dumb movie, you know, anyway, sexually charged conversation. So yeah. Oh, Zach and Mary make a porn. That's hilarious. Yeah. So Zach and Mary was great, but I think red state, I, if he had kept doing something experimental

[00:40:46] like that with Michael parks, as well as John Goodman being like a neo-Nazi terrorist, I was like, see that, that just felt like a fun tribute to John Carpenter and his other stuff has kind of unfortunately been on the level of cop-out where I'm like, who thought this was a good idea? This is terrible. I mean, you better not be talking about clerks too. That's all I gotta say. See, my friend. You never go ask the mouth cam. I do say, oh my God. I think clerks too. But cam does cam does.

[00:41:15] I should, but it's not going to. I hated clerks too when I first saw it. Yeah. Clerks too. Are we talking about the meal in the room on that one? Oh my God. The donkey in the room. I'm sorry. Yeah. That beat bachelor parties record for best donkey scene. I guess so. I think my problem with clerks too is it's watchable. I don't think it's the worst of all time, but unfortunately everyone pretty much only

[00:41:42] remembers like those brief quips like Lord of the Rings versus Star Wars, you know? It's the whole movie though. The whole movie is like one liner after one liner. It's freak. I saw it in theaters for God's sake and the whole theater didn't stop laughing the whole damn time. Yeah. I think that was the thing with perks too is that people were wanting it because they wanted to see what had happened to Dante and Randall and they realized that, okay, the, you know, the, the, the, the, the quick stop and the video store burned down.

[00:42:12] Okay. So what happens? They go work for movie and it's the same. It's the same, but now they've got a lot, you know, Elias, the kid there, Elias, that was his name. Yeah. And like, yeah, he, now he's, now he's going to be the, you know, the brunt of their shit. Yeah. And then you've got Rose, Rose, Rosario Dawson in it. She was good. That was one of the first things I saw her in. Yeah. And then, um, I haven't seen part three yet. I know a lot of people liked it. Others thought it wasn't needed. I will. Yeah. I've seen it.

[00:42:41] And let me tell you something. It is, I think as much as we, we look at Kevin Smith as a more comedic director and writer, Clerks 3 kind of elevates him because I think he learned a lot from movies like Red State. He, he learned more about it. And then he, instead of going with the cheat ending that he wanted to do with Clerks, he actually builds up the pathos.

[00:43:10] He builds up the drama and it turns out that, uh, yeah, I won't spoil it. I'll just say that if you're a certain age, you will hear off. I don't know what happens at the end, but I haven't seen it. I was going to, I'll look forward to it. I just, the reboot was kind of funny because a lot of people thought that was dumb. I just was. Yeah. That was stupid. Sure. That was what reboot. Wait, what reboot? James. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That was hilarious. Go. We'll see. That's just it.

[00:43:37] I think it was too on the nose, but at the same time, it was making fun of how Hollywood's out of ideas. And Chris, Chris, Chris Jericho as the fucking head, the KKK. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Guys. I don't know. Chris, he looks like Dave Mustaine and he's out. I mean, there are. So he looks like Dave Mustaine. Oh. Oh. And, uh, what's his name? The guy, the, the, the, the, Fred Armisen is freaking, um. That's right. He's in it. And I think.

[00:44:07] There are so many good parts of that movie. See, I think it's funny. I think it's just it. It came out at the worst time when everyone was really, really sick of reboots. So that was the point. That was the point. I know. I just, I think this is it. It just came out at a weird time. I saw that. I saw that in Boston at a movie. At a, like, uh, I saw it actually at a playhouse in Boston. And after the movie. In Boston. Hey. Kevin Smith and Jason Hughes came out afterwards to like do Q and A.

[00:44:37] Oh, how were they? Oh, well. It was all. It's the same. It was the same thing as Jay and Bob get older. It was all Jay talking about getting sober. Nice. It's great. I'm not going to say it's not great. Like he. No. It's awesome. I have respect for Jason. Cause I mean. He's just going to do stupid comedies. And at the end of the day, he will always be Jay. Well. I haven't. I haven't seen that. I haven't seen that horror movie he was in yet. I want to see that. I didn't know he was in a horror movie. That's wild. He should totally do an action movie spoof. I think. It's like.

[00:45:07] He directed his own movie called the madness and the method. Yeah. Why does that sound familiar? And he did do that. At least final film role. Oh, that's right. He did do that. Danny Trejo and Smith were in it. He actually. Jason Mews shows up in a lot of stuff. Like in the last like five, six years. Like he was, he was getting busy. I did see that. That was fun. Yeah. I just forgot about it. Cause it's. Yeah. Came out.

[00:45:35] Mews also has a Twitch channel where he plays. He plays Call of Duty. Does he really? He does. Oh God. Yeah. Oh my God. That's wild. Yeah. I. Can you imagine how much shit he would talk as a gamer? It's like. I'm going to fuck you up. Man. He. From what I hear. He really doesn't though. Cause usually his kids are in the room. Or like around. Gotcha. I mean. I mean his. Well. He just had a baby. So like the one kid, I guess. The other one. So. Who.

[00:46:05] Out of that whole clerks. Verse. Do you kind of geek out the most? Cause I got to say. Whenever I see Brian O'Halloran. In like a regular movie role. I'm always like. It's fucking Dante. You know. Like I'm always. Just geek out. Cause I know he's. He's actually a pretty decent actor. I think. Like he'll do some serious stuff. You're like. Oh my God. That's the same guy. Who. Was saying such relatable stuff. To Jeff Anderson. You know. It's. I mean. Yeah. Jason Lee. I mean still. Like.

[00:46:34] Even watching My Name is Earl. It's just like. I know where this. I know where this motherfucker came from. Like I know where he came from. Like he'd be nothing. If Kevin Smith didn't bring him up. Totally. And. You guys mentioned Zack and Mary. That was so wild. Cause like. That came out. And everyone was like. Oh it's Judd Apatow. I'm like. It's not Judd Apatow. It's Kevin freaking Smith. It's just a stealing. Some of those same actors. And putting him in his movie. Well. It was their universe is colliding basically. And I. Yeah. It's. I mean. But it's. It's a monumental.

[00:47:04] That's where he starts. That's where he starts smoking weed. Cause Seth Roken like. Took him aside. Seth Roken took him aside one day. He was like. Hey. Let's go edit this and smoke this J. And he's like. I gotta do it for ya. Yeah. Yeah. Kevin's like. I never did that before. Fucking. He smoked with Seth. And the rest is history. Now that's what he's known for. His getting high. He was high. When he was thinking about doing Tusk. I remember hearing. I'm sure about that on the podcast. Yeah. How could you be so. How could you. How could you be sober. Think of that movie. You're right.

[00:47:34] Absolutely. Jim Norton's actually pretty funny in that. I do love Craig Robinson and Elizabeth Banks. They both get a lot of great lines. But I love how. Fred and Ruth is like. Justin Long. The gay producers like. Yeah. Buddy. And he has just some of the most off-color dialogue. I'm like. That's freaking Superman saying all of this. You know what we're forgetting about? Yoga hosers. I didn't like that one. Yes. Sorry. We did that on purpose. We did that on purpose. Yeah. Good. I own yoga hosers.

[00:48:04] It's because I bought it from the Dollar Tree. Oh my God. I'm sorry. Did you get change? Don't need to say. From the Dollar Tree. Did you get change? Don't you love though. How Zack and Mary got rated R on a pill. That's just how stupid the MPA was freaking out. It's because it had porn in the title. I know. It's like. It doesn't show anything. It does. But it doesn't. Like. It's not. It's not X rated. But they think it is. I'm like. It's a comedy. The same shit happened with Terminator 2.

[00:48:33] It was going to go. It started out R. And then the final cut. It was X. What? Yeah. Wow. I found this out last night. I was watching a video on facts on the film. I was bored. Oh my God. And. People were freaking out. It was pretty violent. It got. It was pretty violent. It's violent. No doubt. It got an X rating originally for the nuclear scenes. And the violence with the T-1000. And then Cameron went back. Trimmed it down to get an R rating. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:49:03] I mean. I mean. That was 91. I mean. I'm surprised it didn't go for NC-17. I guess. I. It's violent. But I can think of so many way worse movies. Where I'm like. I don't know how they even escaped with a PG-13. You know. It's more gratuitous. Plus it was a paid budget film too. So. It was. But I can think of so many other gratuitous movies. Where there. There wasn't any. You think about T2 and the time frame. That was during Desert Storm too. Yeah. So. Yeah. That's fair enough. They're thinking about the war.

[00:49:32] And nuclear holocaust. Gotcha. And all that shit. That's why they got the X rating. And then. Got trimmed down. I wouldn't mind seeing the full X rating. That'd be fun. Where'd you see that? I've never heard that. That would make it way more cooler. Yeah. I didn't know. But. I'm just going to say though. Like. If you're going to watch any R rated movie. Like. I'd be perfectly fine with you watching Kevin Smith. Because. He's talking no differently than. You've already heard people talk in high school. And it's so funny. My folks would every once in a while ask me. Is like.

[00:50:01] People were pretty well behaved. I'm like. No. Fucking words. I heard all kinds of words. I never knew existed. Like. What's a rack? What's. This is like. Just. I'm in a locker room. For God's sakes. I'm going to hear. Blue comedy. And so. It's just. Yeah. But. If you're going to watch any. Well. But yeah. If you're going to watch any R rated comedy. I'm perfectly fine. Let's say I'm a parent. I'm cool with you watching Kevin Smith. Because. All right. Dad. Well. Yeah. I love you.

[00:50:31] Whatever. Just because. He at least has the sense of. What he's going for down. So. It is kind of like South Park. Like. You can be laughing at the naughty bits. But you understand. The overall. Thing he's going. Yeah. What's that? The running thing. I don't know when the last. Sorry. This is about friendships. Exactly. Yeah. That's why I'm. Holding up to your own actions too. With. I mean. With Randall and. Dante. Dante. Yeah.

[00:51:01] Cam. I don't know when the last time you saw South Park is. But trust me. You don't want your kid watching South Park. Well. Can I watch South Park? I'm just saying. Out of all. I mean. The Northeast part. Out of all the R-rated comedy. I wouldn't want you to see. No. No. No. Since South Park is not coming central anymore. Ever since that happened. You don't want your kid to watch it. Okay. Unless you want your kids going to school. Unless you want your kids going to school now. And asking why the president's dick is so small. I will say. Something they should know though. That's.

[00:51:31] They should know. It's educational. And that Christy Jones. And that Christy Jones. Face actually falls off. Right. But I will say this. The whole thing about the X-rated and R-rated. And stuff like that. Yeah. Trey and Matt completely. Read or find that. That they had. Not just that. But they made. Absolute. A joke of the rating system. Because. They really did. I think. I think it was. I think it was the South Park movie. They were. Yeah. Either that or it was. Team America.

[00:52:01] But one of the two. They wrote. South Park. Yeah. They would keep. Keep getting notes back. Saying you need to fix this. What they would do. Is they turn around. And made it a lot worse. And then the rating people. Say oh. This is fine. Yeah. They learned how to game the system. Yeah. Like we want to say this word. 18 times. But they really wanted to say it for. So then. They just go back and forth. The rating system is a joke. Yeah. It's nonsense. Glad they could illustrate it. Bullshit. I was watching. Established in the 90s podcast.

[00:52:30] On YouTube last night. And. They were talking about. South Park. And how. It had most swear words. And for that time frame. Like. That's not surprising. Right. What were you expecting? Sesame Street. Well. And plus. Let me just say. Zach and Mary. Is definitely. Tracy Lords. And Katie Morgan's best role. Even though Tracy Lords. Almost killed the porn industry. At 14. Isn't that ironic? I will say this.

[00:53:01] That brings us to a. Last more set. Oh yeah. God. She plays. God. God. Speaking of her. Speaking of her. That was hysterical. She's on. The Prince of Persia. Show on track. Which surprised the shit out of me. Oh that's right. Yeah. I like the song. I like it. It's really good. I was surprised. That was cool. Well. Jagged little scimitar. You know why. You know. You know why. Kevin Smith. Cast George Carlin. As a. Cardinal though. Right? I don't.

[00:53:30] A walking joke. Carlin told Kevin Smith. When he got interviewed by him. That. The. A role he wanted to play. Before he died. It was like his dream movie. He wanted to play a priest. Who killed children. And he wanted to do like a horror. He wanted to do like a horror movie. That's awesome. See. That's. Two comedians doing each other a favor. Yes. So that's as close as you can get. Before he died. So. No. But that movie did give us. The buddy Christ. So.

[00:54:00] According to Kevin Smith. He was. Talking to George Carlin about it. And he asked George if he read the script. And George said. Read it. I think I inspired it. I think I deserve co-writing credit. In a way. Definitely in a way. Kind of. Yeah. Sort of good to you buddy. So I got to bounce. But. Hey. Just glad to have you on the show. I want to promote. Go back. Go back. Stop by. Yeah. You need to. Want to promote anything before you go. You know. You got all my links. Just freaking put them in the description. Cool. You're good.

[00:54:30] I will. All right. Perfect. All right. All right. Glad to have you on here. Yeah. Glad to meet the crew. We'll return after these messages. All right folks. How's back here? We got a 90 minute weekly Shack Stop. It's growing all over the world. Find it at 2 p.m. And 10 p.m. Eastern time on Mondays. Then 3 p.m. On Wednesdays. Then 7 p.m. On Thursdays. You can catch it on many more radio stations.

[00:55:00] 99.9 KERV. 1 p.m. Central time. 2 p.m. Eastern on Mondays. Then catch the Encore on Thursdays at 5 p.m. Central time. 6 p.m. Eastern. Then catch it Wednesday mornings at 11 a.m. Eastern time. 10 a.m. Central. 107.7 K Twins. Then hang out with us Wednesday afternoons. On MXTR and Howshack Radio. 3 p.m. Eastern time. Then Thursday.

[00:55:29] Get up bright and early with us on 95.7 Web Radio. At 6 a.m. Pacific time. 9 a.m. Eastern. Of course we've got your Friday covered as well. 12 p.m. Eastern time on MXTR FM. And 10 p.m. Eastern time. 9 p.m. Central. 107.7 K Twins. Find everything on MXTR.com. MXTR.com.

[00:55:58] Do you ever find yourself thinking about who would win in a fight between Goku and Superman? Hi, I'm James Gavsey and on the Who Would Win Show, me and my co-host Ray ignore anything important happening in the outside world and debate fictional battles between characters from comics, movies, and video games. We got a new show every week and almost always am I the winner. Yeah, not true, Ray. In the past, we've discussed such matches as Captain America vs. Darth Vader,

[00:56:22] Solid Snake vs. the Iron Giant, classic matchups like Robocop vs. Terminator, and even the Muppets vs. Sesame Street. That one was crazy. So if you're a fan of geek culture and love a spirited debate, check out the Who Would Win Show wherever you get your podcasts or check us out at whowouldwinshow.com. What the fuck? Noise, noise, noise. One, two. One, two, three, four.

[00:56:52] Noise, noise, noise. Smoking weed, smoking weirs. Doing coke, drinking beers. Drinking beers, beers, beers. Rolling fatties. Smoking blunts. Who smokes the blunts? Who smokes the blunts? Rolling blunts. It's smoking blunts. Uh, let me get a nickel bag. Fifteen bucks, little man. Put that shit in my hand. If that money doesn't show, then you owe me, owe me, owe. My jungle love. Yeah. O-ee-oh-ee-oh. I think I wanna know you, know you. Yeah.

[00:57:22] What? What the hell are you singing? You don't know jungle love? That shit is the mad notes. Written by God herself and handed down to the greatest band in the world. The motherfucking time! You mean the guys in that Prince movie? Yeah, Purple Rain. That shit was so gay. Fucking 80s style. Hey! You never say an unkind word about the time. Me and Sal Bob model of a whole fucking life surround Morris Day and Jerome.

[00:57:49] I'm a smooth pimp who loves the pussy. And tell me here's my black man servant. What? What'd I tell you two about dealing in front of the store? Now drop the kid and pedal your wares someplace else, burn boy. And for the record, the time sucked ass. Hans! So, did you get into Smith when he was first a thing? Or were you slow to the party? Kind of like seeing him on cable TV?

[00:58:15] I think I saw Clerks when I was like 15, 16 years old. Oh, nice. That was the first. I have a weird relationship with Kevin Smith. Like, I liked him a lot when I was younger. And then I went through a phase where I was like, this guy sucks. And now I've kind of come back around on him. Oh, that's his dad. Everett, around the 2000s seems to be kind of the breaking point for every filmmaker we love. Yeah. They have some rough stuff because they're all having to shoot on digital now.

[00:58:42] They're all having to market stuff differently instead of rely on good word of mouth and art house theater ticket revenue. It's all kind of – everything was pretty rough. Like, in between, like, 03 to 08, just like no one knew kind of where the market was going to go and what kind of movies they were going to make. Here's what happened. It's like indie cinema died a very ignominious death because you got to think – yeah, I can remember going to see, what is it, 98?

[00:59:12] The Dow of Steve, if you ever seen that movie? I love that. I love Donald Loke. Oh, my God. Donald Loke, great movie, right? We go to see it. And my friend Mike and I – and we're like, dude, this is a great fucking movie. I love this movie. The Dow of Steve is a great movie. It's like that filmmaker. She disappeared. There's like two movies and then vanished. I'm like, no. And then she vanished. What the fuck happened? And, like, Donald Loke, we see, you know, on – He's on everything. Vikings. He's on everything. Vikings, Grounded for Life. He does Batman.

[00:59:42] Yeah. Gotham. He's a great actor. Yeah. Great actor. Great fucking actor. He's the main henchman in Blade. I mean – Yeah. I mean, that's a great thing about – That would be the naughty vampire god. He should totally be in more Kevin Spence. This is the best. In Blade, he was supposed to have, like, a tiny little part, but they were just – everyone on set was like, I fucking love you. Let's just make this more because you're the best and we want to hang out with you more. You're so rowdy and you're a great shit-talker. We need you. Yeah.

[01:00:10] The great thing I love about Donald Loke is you remember him being the cabbie in the MTV commercials? Oh, wow. Damn. That was him. And then what's his name? The guy who did Brothers McMillan. What was his name? Edward Burns. I love that. Edward Burns. What happened? I like that movie. He just came out with a new indie film. Yeah. But it's kind of back and forth. I think it's just one of those he'll do some TV and movie gigs for a while and then he

[01:00:39] goes back to making movies with his actor buddies. But this is what blows my mind. It was like all of a sudden there were these guys coming out of the woodwork. Quentin Tarantino had done Reservoir Dogs and then you get Pulp Fitch. Barely a million. It's so hard to believe. It's like just a million. It's like nowadays it'd be impossible to make it for just that amount. You know? Yeah. He does. You know, Kevin Smith comes out, does Clerks. You know, they're all these like, you know, David. Jim Jarmusch takes over the art house. Jim Jarmusch takes over.

[01:01:09] You know, it was like it was like also these movies were like coming out. It was like, you know, indie movies were coming out, you know, stuff that was underground or stuff that was so. It's too cool. Even for underground, you're like, yeah, you're not going to get this on a VHS mailing list. Like you've got to go to like you can't even get this at Blockbuster. So you've got to go to Hollywood video. Yeah. We had to. You got to go to a guy with a trench coat saying, yeah, you want some movies? I can.

[01:01:35] I can remember like doing a thing about Clerks in college, a paper about Clerks. Oh, nice. You did. And I did a paper on it in my, in my, in my, it was like, you know, what, what is the most recent movie you've seen? And why do you like? And I said, it was Clerks. And the, why, and the professor was like, why did you like it? I said, because if you ever worked in nine to five job in a, in a, in a menial, in a store or, you know, something like that, you just sit there and you're like, fuck, I don't, you know, it's the existential meaning of things. Same thing with that movie.

[01:02:05] Remember that movie, how, uh, Ryan Reynolds did where they were all waiters. Was it helping? Well, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting. That could easily, that's totally a Clerks homage in a way. Waiting is, waiting is the bastard child of Clerks. You know? And, uh, slightly more homophobic. Well, absolutely. But, but, but like, it does kind of go on some of, uh, James's earlier points on how it shows some unlikable people, but it still characterizes them well.

[01:02:35] And it doesn't, you know, it knows how to balance out its shock value with some wacky commentaries. Like, and once again, you want the job from hell? Be glad you aren't these guys. They got to work at the worst of the worst restaurants with all these other shithead managers. The thing I love in Clerks is when, when he says, when he says, you can't believe some of the shit I get in my, my stories. Like you have, you know, he's like, it's like, it's like the one girl goes, do you have anything new? And there's like a thing of like new releases behind her.

[01:03:03] The guy walks in and says, do you have the hubcaps for a 68 Pinto? Oh, he says, oh, look, uh, he said something else. He says, Navy Seals. Oh, Navy Seals. He's like, yeah. The one guy within the conveners, what do you mean? You might've got to drink this coffee hot. You know, that's, that's what it's fucking like in the world. You have to, there are people. You have to defuse. You have to elongate and then kind of lay out all your cards. You have to just say, Hey, I'm not going to take.

[01:03:33] You're just bombarded by stupidity. Yeah. Making minimum wage. The line has been drawn here. No more. No farther. No farther. I worked at a convenience store for like nine months in 2011. And I got to tell you, and I worked night shift. So I got to see all kinds of weird people doing that job. Oh yeah. I saw crazy stuff because I did valet at two different hospitals. Boy, howdy.

[01:03:58] Oh, try working, try working at a, try working at a place where you serve ice cream and you have to hear, what do you mean? You don't have sprinkles. You hear every kind of combo and you're like, that can't possibly be a thing. Where's that advertised on the marquee? Yeah. Like I just, I would sit there and eat the damn chocolate ice cream, dude. Where's my sprinkles? Yeah. Daddy, can I have sprinkles this time? You don't have the, you don't have the chocolate dip. I love the chocolate dip.

[01:04:27] You only get chocolate dip here. Hold on. Give me five minutes with your ice cream. Would you like a chocolate covered pretzel? You're right. It's missing an Oreo. I'll give you a knuckle sandwich if you don't ask for one more Oreo. And the thing was, the thing was, all the hip kids, like all the kids that were nerdy watched clerks. Oh God. All the kids that were, all the kids that were like, cool. They didn't watch it. They didn't get it. They didn't get the jokes. They were like, they were like, you know, oh yeah.

[01:04:55] I, I'll be talking about the movie and all these people are going like, wait, what, what is this movie called? The end? I was like, it's called quirks. That went over your head. Seriously. It's like, oh, a year later they're all like, oh, oh, I love Kevin Smith. I'm like, motherfucker. You don't know who Kevin Smith is. All right. So shut the fuck up. You like him because your friend or your other favorite filmmaker talked about him. It's kind of like the people who are like, now I love this movie just because Tarantino talked about it. It's like, no, you're just doing it to be cool. Do you actually get the movie and the significance?

[01:05:24] The thing I loved about Clerks too, was that the Clerks, the movie Clerks, had one of the best songs Soul Asylum ever did. Oh, that's true. Well, and that's just it. The music was well injected. And I think I still got a copy of that one indie band that did the song Chewbacca. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the best song is The Russian. Oh, yeah. I want to. My love for you is like a trucker. Would you like so? I'm making fuckers.

[01:05:55] Olaf, metal. Hey, what do you think of the girl? Scrub knee. What does that mean? I don't know. He speaks like some sort of fucking language. I don't know what the fuck it is. I mean, that to me was like everything I knew about growing up as a kid. Like, you know, you're just like, like, I can't remember my buddy going to me. He's like, dude, I met this guy. This guy was a friend of his. And he came from fucking like Kazakhstan or like, you know, it was lava. You know, it's part of the Borat universe. Hey. Very nice. Very nice.

[01:06:24] So, so like we're sitting there and we're like, we're like, this guy is, this guy's like fucking Olaf from fucking, uh, you know, and he's like, it's like, what do you mean? He's like, you don't understand. He's Olaf. He's fucking Olaf. And I was like, he's like, yeah. I was like, no, you don't understand. He's Olaf from fucking clerks. He doesn't speak English. My friend you saw has to translate for him. And I don't think you saw saying a fucking word about it. The truth about what he's saying.

[01:06:51] You know, he's like, Hey man, he says he retards out to him. And then fuck you and fuck his goddamn mother. You know, it's Olaf, by the way. Who is it? John Henry Westhead. Okay. Actor. I always wondered who it was. I don't know how the fuck he came up with it. There's a shirt I want to get that has berserker on it. Yes. You know, I have also the name of a comic book that Keanu Reeves, right? Yeah.

[01:07:19] He, he should work with Keanu Reeves. Cause like, he's so good. That would be so fucking cool. He would just have to have him just be like a, a nice guy. Like maybe he could be a boss who like forces everyone to meditate and just says all kinds of crazy shit. And you're like, what's going on here? Keanu Reeves is doing comedy now. I want to see him in that movie. He's going to do where he plays. I think he plays like Jesus. Yeah. He plays an angel or something like that. And I'm like, I'm like, holy fuck. This guy's going to do comedy.

[01:07:48] Have you seen, uh, what's the one he did with Ali Wong? That was so fucking funny. He's like crashing shit into his head and it's exploding on him. Oh, what was the name? It always be my maybe that, that was fucking hysterical. He's like playing a crazy version of himself. And he's like showing people how to be all like tough and everything. And he's breaking shit to put the thing I always said about Smith. Kevin Smith is like, look, he's from Jersey. I'm from Jersey. You know, he's from Jersey. I'm from Jersey.

[01:08:17] He knows what it's like growing up around here. He knows what, you know, he knows what life is, you know, and if you're from New Jersey, you know, I'm wanting him to make a high school movie. I just want to make a movie about high school in the nineties. Yes. You're actually junior high. The next generation was all about. Hey, I forgot. He worked on that. I forgot. The silent Bob had cameos. I haven't seen that one. And, uh, well, where would you rank that one in his work?

[01:08:48] Impressive. Okay. You know, impressive. Cause I remember I watched the grassy junior high when I was a kid and I, I kind of, I kind of got it, you know, some, some points I got some kinds of points. I was like, I'm a little bit lost here. You know, I'm a little bit, I'm a little bit, uh, lost. You tried. I tried. I tried. I tried. I tried. I tried. It was a really good movie called seven minutes in heaven. You ever see that movie? That sounds familiar.

[01:09:18] Where the hell have I seen that? Uh, I've actually bought it, but I haven't watched it yet. Maddie Corman. I forgot. Oh yeah. I have heard of that. I haven't seen it, but yeah. Yeah. She got, uh, yeah, that's where, that's where I saw Maddie Corman. I was like, I'm in love with this chick. And my buddy's like, what do you mean? And she reminds me of this girl that I went to high school with. And I'm like, like I was in high school with at the time. and I'm like, wait a minute. They filmed in fucking New Jersey. I was like, how can you tell?

[01:09:46] I was like, there's such and such high school. There's that place. I know where this place is. They filmed in New Jersey. They filmed right in our backyard. I think what's a shame, though, is that Kevin Smith didn't get to work with John Hughes. I'm like, ah. Oh, no, that would have been unbelievable. That would have been like, you know. Too many cooks. Yeah, that would have been too many cooks. Yeah. I just always wondered. You know. But their humor wasn't exactly similar. It's not similar.

[01:10:14] I just like how they make characters from comedy. So it's a morbid curiosity. It's something that shouldn't happen, but it's just kind of something I kind of secretly see. True. Well, I've always said that. It's probably a bad idea. It would work, but it'd be. JJ Abrams and Christopher Nolan worked together. Michael Bay. Somebody else. Michael Bay worked with himself. Kaboom! The dog gets away.

[01:10:42] I have this picture in my head. You want to see the perfect Michael Bay movie? Yeah. You show an explosion. You say, okay, that's it. That's it. I blew my leg. No. One thing I always liked about Kevin Smith was the way he diversified and did so many different things. And how one thing would lead into the other. He was. Like he did his podcasting. He did. And really got into that. And that even led into animation. Because somebody was animating some of his stuff on YouTube. Yeah. And he got into animation. He.

[01:11:12] Well, and he came to admire it. And I actually was pretty impressed by that Heat Man show. You didn't have to have seen it all. That was good shit. Yes. Figure it out. I didn't watch it, but I liked how it made douchebags mad. I had a guy I work with basically was going, wait a minute. Let me just tell you what happens. He does this. And I'm like, why would you spoil that? Yeah. I guess I forgot about his Clerks animated series that he did, but it was kind of, I think that soured him for a while on that kind of thing.

[01:11:41] It did because ABC aired only two, pulled the plug. The next four aired on Comedy Central. But still, it took, he had to, he had to practically beg on his knees and suck a show just to get the damn DVD set released. It was like, why? There's an audience for this, clearly. You just, you put it at the worst time. I remember, I remember that coming on and I was like, oh wow, there's going to be a Clerks cartoon. You know, it'd be great. Sounds great. Where'd it go? Yeah.

[01:12:11] You can throw animation, you can suspend it. And everybody was, remember everybody was doing that. And then, you know, that was the time around the time of Family Guy, King of the Hill. Yeah. You know, all that. And it just, it just, it just fucking died out, you know. It was great having you on. Not really. I think this is it. Like, it should have never been on ABC. It should have just been on cable, but it should have even been on Showtime. I don't know why they didn't take him up on it. But the He-Man cartoon was interesting just because he got so many great voice actors.

[01:12:39] He got Tony Todd and Dennis Haysburg. Yep. No, that's something I didn't know about was him on He-Man. Yeah. And that's just it. I dug it. I think there's a few episodes I still need to catch up on, but he also got to joke is like, where else are you going to see Captain Kirk and Luke Skywalker, you know, in on, you know, in a project together, doing voiceovers. And it's just fun. It was laid back. It's easy to follow. It wasn't overcomplicated. And jokes are fucking awesome.

[01:13:09] To see people go, you know, do the usual woke label. I'm like, you keep using that word. I don't think you know what it means. What's wrong with this? There's nothing we can't have a woman be stronger than a man. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, but Deela always take that. I know. She's literally man in arms. I know. Literally, she's Xena. She's always chopping people in half. So go back to the go back to 87. Literally the one line. What about woman in arms? Like Jesus Christ.

[01:13:39] People can't be this fucking stupid. I mean, I might be autistic, but fuck. They're retarded as hell. Fuck. Fuck. There's a line I need to repeat. Mm-hmm. I have said that numerous times in reviews. Like, I might be autistic, but y'all be fucking retarded about some shit. Like, you need a helmet more than I need a fucking helmet. Well, see, the biggest problem with the He-Man show is that Kevin Smith was really just the executive producer.

[01:14:08] Or he let somebody else do all the minutes. I thought he oversaw a few episodes, like he directed one. I think he directed the pilot. He might have. But overall, he let the story go to the second-in-command. And he took charge of where the stories went and everything. That's typically how it goes. He was just a producer. He didn't. Right. Right. The creator starts it, and then everyone else takes it from there.

[01:14:35] You're kind of supposed to just be the guy who just, you know. God. Well, like in Reaper, he only directed the first episode. But he's the one who set the tone. He didn't create the show, but he set the tone for it. And that's what's cool about it. When you direct the first episode, you get paid for every episode, even if you don't work on it. Because it's your style you established. Actually, he did write on some of He-Man. Right. Yeah. Okay. So that's what I'm thinking. But it is funny, though.

[01:15:05] Like, that's the beauty of the Director's Guild rules. That's probably the only good thing about the Director's Guild is you can do a terrible job, but the company, unless it's a non-union, still has to pay you for every episode. That and healthcare. That's about the only real use for the Director's Guild. Yeah. So there you go. Oh, no. Roger Foreman said the Actors Guild healthcare was better than the Director's Guild. So he joined the Actors Guild. Oh, wow. Well, just having it is. Well, true. Plus. Debate plans.

[01:15:34] Plus, Rogers kept doing cameos in movies. So he's like, after a while, Sag caught up to him. He's like, you got to join. You're going to keep doing that shit. Three things I noticed watching Clerks again today. There's no Clerks. One of them I had to rewind. One of them I had to rewind. Randall's sitting. You don't see it. It's off screen. He's watching a movie at the video store. And you hear, like, Space Invaders video game noises. And somebody going, it was supposed to be Return of the Jedi. Oh.

[01:16:03] Yeah. Oh, but they couldn't be clear. I'm sure they did that as a joke, you know. Revenge of the Jedi. Yeah. But, yeah, just the sound effect. It wasn't. But the other thing, there's a line of dialogue where Dante. Dante says, you ever notice prices always end at nine? That's really weird. In the background, there's three or four signs that say $1.95. Yeah. Oh, that's right. And the third thing is his girlfriend.

[01:16:33] I got a 130 class. It runs until eight. What? How does that? That's the only class he ever takes. What was really going on there, you know? Yeah, I think this is it. I think he was looking at it. I think that's just the writing. Like, it's on purpose. Yeah. It's nonsense. It's silly. If you're not paying attention, what did she just say? Yeah. Yeah. It's supposed to give you that, I think. Yep. That's clever.

[01:17:00] And also, the dialogue, it's all these static shots, and they run this down. How do they remember all those lines? It feels like a sad lip, but I think it was written. I think that's just it. Like, he had some free-flowing. If you got something better, say it. I think it was a combination. Yeah. Yeah. If you ever watch Established in the 90s on YouTube, they talk about Justin from Eerie,

[01:17:26] Indiana talked about how they did lines for Hey Arnold, and they would read the script for two hours, then record for another two hours after reading that. Yeah. So the first part is basically them warming up, and then now it's time to put something in the can. Now it's good. Yeah, you do a rehearsal, and then you know. Yeah. It's always funny, though, what productions, basically half the stuff is from rehearsal, and so then they're always so shocked. I'm like, oh my god, that's literally the first take you just used.

[01:17:56] How's that good? Okay. Well, Kevin Smith has always said that everybody had to read his lines. So there was no improv in any of his movies until Dogma. Oh, okay. And the only line that was ever improv'd was the scene at the train where Kevin Smith is throwing out Bartleby. And Bartleby looks at him and says, Shuler Bob, I'm going to get you, Shuler Bob. I mean, that makes sense. Like, his dialogue is very much him.

[01:18:26] Yeah. Yeah, it only makes sense if he's improv'd, but that's part of his charm. It's off kilter. It doesn't work, like, always from a screenwriting perspective, but it does help elevate as a rule-breaking kind of comedy, if that makes sense. Well, I think Kevin Smith is like a nerdy edgelord teen foster child of Aaron Sorkin and Quentin Tarantino. Yeah, I like the Aaron Sorkin. There is a lot of walking and talking.

[01:18:52] Yeah, it's just very dialogue-heavy, but also just childish and silly and weird. Yeah, it's their persona. They're breaking the rules as much as they can. And so it's always so funny when you encounter people who want to be like them, even though your screenwriting professor is like, don't write like that. That's exactly it. It's breaking the rules. That's why Clerks, I think, resonated so hard. It was just like, oh, that's how fucking people talk. Yeah, for real. These are real jobs. Even if it's not exact, it's pretty close.

[01:19:21] The monotony and the horribleness of these jobs. But also, these are conversations nerdy people have about, like, the contractors on the Death Star. That is such a great line. And again, it's meaningless stuff, but we do. That's what mankind is known to do. We will have the most mundane conversation. It's like, I don't know. Didn't know you wanted to know this much. It works for, like, if you're a nerd, like, you've probably had that conversation with your friends.

[01:19:50] How many people died? You're like, oh, that's, I've never fucking thought about that. That, like, sparks something in your brain. It's whatever will move. And it just feels real. Whatever will move you across the desert, you know, especially if you're bare bones and don't have much to go on. I mentioned it earlier, like, the story he told in Mallrats or their conversation they're having about Superman's sperm and Lois Lane not being able to have a child by him because his sperm would be too strong. That scene in Hancock. Oh!

[01:20:20] Hey-woo! Why didn't he write Hancock? Superman 2, he has to become human so he can sleep. And the one thing about that Superman thing is it was also something that was read, like an essay that was written about that. Like, a long, long time before Mallrats ever came out. It is interesting, though, with Kevin Smith fans. Like, people who I thought wouldn't like him are big fans, and then I've seen it the other way. People who I would have thought would have liked that kind of comedy. They like stuff like Farrelly Brothers and Judd Apatow, and they hate him.

[01:20:48] I'm like, so, I think it just depends on what, how you got introduced to him versus what movie you first saw by him. Because, yeah, if you're seeing his later stuff, you're going to be like, what the fuck is this guy? But what would have been your favorite movie? Would it have been Clerks, or would it have been something? Dogma. Easily. Dogma. Easily. Yeah. I like Dogma, but I think my favorite was... I think Dogma might be, but I can't fucking watch it, so I don't know. Why can't you watch it? Because it's not really available yet. Yeah, it's nowhere.

[01:21:17] You can't... I have a DVD. It is getting released soon, though. Like, it's getting... I looked it up right before this, because I kind of wanted to watch it again. And, no. Like, I can't even pay for it to stream. It's on YouTube for free. Somebody uploaded it for free. Oh, okay. So, I'm kind of with you guys, though. Like, I would... As a go-to movie, I would probably have Chasing Amy or Dogma on. And I think Dogma goes harder. I think I relate to Clerks the most. I probably have seen Jane Silent Bob Strike Back probably the most. I've seen that the most, too.

[01:21:47] For me, that's my favorite. Because it's just... It's kind of an old... It's so dumb, but it's fun. Exactly. The plot... And that's just it. He gets around his loose plot by just having so many gags that are quotable. So, I think that's just... It's so fucking stupid, but it's just... It's kind of like your favorite... It knows what it is, and it's doing exactly what it's trying to do. It is. Nothing more, nothing less. So, like, the first five albums were great, and this was just kind of a greatest hits reunion, kind of. Well, and there was a chance for a lot more cameos in it, too. Exactly.

[01:22:16] Yeah, it's just bit after bit. I think Zack and Miriam might be the best major. That's right. Jason Lee plays multiple guys. I mean, so does fucking Matt Damon. It's hunting season. Kablam! Applesauce, bitch. Applesauce, bitch. I love that. How you like them apples? Well, like Jane Silent Bob, you had the Scooby gang. Like... Yes! Yes! I mean, the Affleck was the bomb in Phantoms. Oh, my God. One of my favorite lines of all time.

[01:22:43] I went through a phase on Twitter a couple years ago where I just replied, Affleck was the bomb in Phantoms to every tweet I saw. Just everything, yeah. And, I mean, you've got to like a movie that ends with them going to a concert by the time. But, um... Horsday of the time. Horsday, yeah. It's not just... Do not overlook Demore's Day. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I felt very inspired... Weirdly inspired by, like, Bill and Ted. That movie. Yeah. Yeah. It kind of is a Bill and Ted movie.

[01:23:13] The first few movies are kind of... I mean, not just because George Carlin's in both, but... No. I don't know. It had a similar vibe. I didn't think of that, but I think you're on the money. I never thought of it, but it is kind of a road trip, kind of travel around movie. Yeah, it's just a bunch of nonsense that happens that shouldn't really work. The personas... But it just kind of does. The personas... You like hanging out with the people that are the main characters. Stuff that would drive us crazy in a normal movie, we let go because the stars carry it. Yeah, because they're charismatic and you just like hanging out with them.

[01:23:43] And you know they haven't... There's enough in their colorful retorts to each other. It's like, we know they're just going to go into another crazy adventure, inevitably. But what Easter eggs did it take you guys a while on any of those movies to just realize? I never realized until I thought about it really hard. It should have been very blatantly obvious. It's so funny when they introduce Salma Hayek's character in Dogma, and it's kind of making fun of the strip club scene from Dusseldon. And I didn't think of that.

[01:24:13] I'm like, yeah, I see what they did there. That's his way of just making fun of... How about we give you an even crazier intro? Like, it's not trying to be pervy or anything. It's like, what's something that would just be just stupid? It's supposed to be sexy, but it's just stupid. Just introduce... The shit monster? Or the Golgothan. Oh my god. Crickets. Crickets. I see what you did there. I see what you did there. Yeah, that took a while to look at where I'm like, the Golgothan.

[01:24:43] I'm like, oh my god. Well, it's not totally stupid, but when they... Jay and Siddle, Bob, when they go up to get the monkey, and they do an homage, I thought, to Belushi in Animal House, where he's doing that weird thing up the steps. Oh my god. They do back and forth on the steps again. And I've actually done that. I was at that campus where they filmed it, and I did it. Hey, did you? Stepsy was on, and I did the same thing. So, I caught that. Did you film that? Because I'd like to see it. I didn't film it, no. That was years ago.

[01:25:13] You just did it for the love of the game. I respect that even more. I see what you did there. It is kind of funny, though. Like, I feel like a lot of comedians are kind of more inspired when they're making their indie comedy. Like, I'm kind of looking at, like, the Broken Lizard guys. In fact, half the time, they were filming stuff on their campus when they're making their crazy movies. So, it's like, he's kind of just inspired everybody to do their own thing. It's like, just go out and do it. Like, I can't say he's derivative necessarily of utter shit.

[01:25:41] He's just doing his own crazy thing. And he's slowly challenging himself to do normal movies now. Yeah, Kevin Smith is anything but derivative. Yeah. I agree. What did anybody think about the 430 movie? I never saw it all the way. I haven't seen it yet. I haven't seen that. What the hell? That's his most recent, right? Oh my god. How'd that fly under the radar? Yeah, I don't know that one. But I... Jason Lean, Justin Longer in it. Genesis Rodriguez's Return. Okay.

[01:26:11] So, it's a semi-biographical... Wow. I have not heard of this. What the fuck? Holy shit. Kate McCoochie. Well, glad I could add something to the trailer, man. Yeah. A lot of those... Jesus Christ. Ken Jeong. Ken Jeong? What the hell? Okay. A lot of those are just, like, quick cameos of, like, movie trailer parodies. Oh. And he uses... In the movie, he uses the movie theater that he bought in Jersey. The Dante actor plays a priest? Jesus. Okay. Mm-hmm.

[01:26:41] Rosario Dawson's the aunt. Yeah, his daughter plays a movie trailer that's in one of the movies. You know, in the theater, there's a movie trailer with her playing a nun. I think it's a nun with a gun, but I can't remember. I need to see this. Wow. Okay. I do like how he has his friends and all this stuff. It's like how Adam Sandler does it, except he makes good movies. That's why I said I wish I was his friend. Oh, yeah. I always respect that, though. Like, you just keep...

[01:27:09] Like, if I was ever famous in, like, a deuce room with my friends... Basically. Yeah. ...and pay them, they wouldn't have to do anything. Well, and whether you're a good or bad filmmaker, I can always respect someone who's, like, they are always keeping their friend employed, like, from having to, you know, file chapter 11. You know, don't wait for Hollywood to remember you always have a backup plan. Yeah. I just like that. Like, you're rich and you take care of your people.

[01:27:35] Funny thing is, I just watched the thing where they were talking about how in Happy Gilmore 2, he gave, what's his name? Deuce Bigelow. I couldn't believe he showed up for a second. Wow. That fucking sucks. He gave him that cameo on purpose and paid him $5 million to do it. What? Yeah. Why? That sucks. That dude's the worst. I don't know. He... But I'll tell you this.

[01:28:03] I started introducing Kevin Smith films to my kid when he was 12. What? Because I figured... Yeah, I figured by that time... I think that's about right. Yeah. Like, 12 to 14, that makes you, like, the cool dad. Yeah, I mean, when he was 13, I introduced him to Porphy's. So, I know how to space this out. Okay. It is funny, though, how we view sex and violence throughout the years.

[01:28:29] And by age 10, you're no... To, you know, your 30s or 40s, you're no longer offended by the exact same thing you were growing up. But then you also view everything differently. And it's funny how long it takes different people to realize what you look for in entertainment, how you look at everything objectively and constructively, and how many are just like, I want everything to just be mindless entertaining. The ones who do it all.

[01:28:57] My son and I, we went to one of those Monday mystery movies. Oh, nice. And it was the movie Talk to Me. It's that horror film that came out about a year or two ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who's in that? I've heard of it. It's a indie movie. I know Miranda Otto Eowen from Lord of the Rings is in there, but it's a pretty much unknown Aussie cast, New Zealand cast. Yeah. So, there's a scene at the very beginning where this guy takes this butcher knife

[01:29:26] and like, it's implied that he shoved it into his head. Yeah. Something like that. After the movie, we're walking out and my kid turns to me and said something like, now I know what you mean by how desensitized you are to violence. And I said, what do you mean? He goes, at that scene at the beginning where the guy takes that butcher knife and shoves it in his head, everybody else was screaming. You literally pointed to the screen and go, oh, that's new. No.

[01:29:56] We all react to things differently. I think that's the other thing. Like, I do have some relatives who will freak out. Like, they'll hear a gunshot or see someone about to pick up a knife and they look away. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, stop. Nothing's happening. But it depends on how rapid an imagination you already have. I'm like, trust me. And so, I think that's the other thing, too. It's not like you're watching a historical recreation or a true crime movie or a war movie

[01:30:22] where, in that case, they do their best job to make it very convincing, like someone actually died on screen. I mean, and I do the same thing with comedy. It's like, so many people will be offended by how many words are being said, naughty or not. And I'm like, what is the context, though? You can't just berate everything just because there's profanity in it. Like, it has to depend on the situation. Yeah, the context. And yet, I will still, without Phil, see people say, ah, it was a little too much.

[01:30:51] I'm like, you're getting all caught up in the words. Now, I'm not saying you got to like it. I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying that's, you might want to look at it a little differently than you generally look because it's just not fair to just put it all under the same rug, you know? It's just... You got to be thinking about South Park episode where they counted all the fucks that were said. That, see? That was a good... That was a good mocker. I call that a mockery of the court.

[01:31:17] That was a good take on his like, why do you even bleep us? Yeah. It was like... And the name of the episode was It Hits the Fans. So, like... Yeah. That was in response because CBS aired a made-for-TV movie that included the word shit twice and it was the first time... Oh, it was like NYPD Blue or something that they said shit. No, no, no, no, no. That was later. That was later. It's like a movie beat it to the punch.

[01:31:44] There was even like a PBS movie with like Mary Tyler Moore and Dick Van Dyke or something like that that was aired later. So, like you said... It was an R-rated version of the... Basically, yeah. I wish I was making this up. The Dick Van Dyke show behind the scenes. Too hot for TV. Yeah, I know. After midnight. After midnight. I'm cussing up the storm. But it is amazing how...

[01:32:09] Even when you see how they used to modify movies for primetime TV, how they would... This was before the TV rating system and they'd always be like, they're my viewer discretion advised. I'm like, what's to be advised? You've taken out all the language. You modify... That's fun. So much unintentional comedy with the... Yeah. Yeah. Magnet Farmer. So... Yeah. My favorite was in... Mother Lover. Pop quiz. Animal. Animal. It's like someone else's voice. It's not even close. Yeah.

[01:32:39] It doesn't even sound like him. Kevin Smith movies, they fortunately have pretty much just bleeped out and not used any alternatives. I'm like, okay, cool. Well, look up Malratch TV version. Yeah. It's not going to be funny at all. Yeah. They dubbed Jason Lee with... I'm sorry. Not Jason Lee, but... That guy. Yeah, that guy. Jay. Jay. They dubbed him with a completely different actor. He doesn't sound anything. Yeah, that happens so often.

[01:33:08] It's not even close to the same voice. It doesn't help that the filmmakers are like, we're not going to bother to make a safe-to-air version. So it's like, there's no way. I think they do that more now, but yeah. Back to the show. Well, with the way streaming is taking over with things, they don't really worry about that so much. Some of the shows will censor themselves to some extent. Yeah. Well, yeah. Now they have no rules on streaming. Now it's weirder.

[01:33:33] It used to take years for a movie to air on TV, like three to four at the max. And now I'm seeing stuff air like the next year on like ABC or NBC. I mean, it was like six months after a movie came out to even get it on video. They got to compete with the streaming now that's trying to grab these movies just after they leave the theater or maybe even sometimes while they're still in the theater. Yeah. How does anyone make a fucking profit?

[01:33:59] And I think it helps that all these other indie guys who were here in the late 80s, early 90s have fortunately, they had plenty of time to process this, enjoy their success, and then just be like, I'm not going to play this game. You know, I'm going to wait till I get a chance to, you know, get all my freedom. They they're also in a perfect talking place. Like Kevin, if he wants to, can make a crowd funder at any time and he will probably always have a turnout because he he has connections.

[01:34:27] He's going to get as many funds from, say, a celebrity friend like a Seth MacFarlane type as he will like just. Someone who's been there from day one, loving his movie. So, you know, his diversification with his podcasting and stuff, he advertises his movies in his podcast. Exactly. Cross promotion. You don't have to be a crazy maniac like Alex Jones to figure out, you know, crowdfunding. Yeah. Sandy Hook.

[01:34:54] Yeah, but the chemtrails aren't making our frogs gay. I know. I know. Right. Right. That's just not true. The frogs are everywhere, you know. And now McDonald's french fries will turn your son queer. Now that I couldn't believe. I guess so, man. I guess so. And you guys already outlined it with South Park. It is kind of wild what comedic collaborations I'm surprised Kevin hasn't done.

[01:35:21] Speaking of South Park, like, have you seen that Six Days Till Air documentary? That's a great doc. Yeah. Like, you see them going, one of the lady that they employ to deal with standards, like, going back and forth. It's like, can we say this? Okay, but I can lose this, but we'll say this. Like, it's like a nonsense. Like, adults are having, professional adults are having this conversation of being like, well, we can say two fucks, but can we say one shit? Like, it's like, what are we doing?

[01:35:49] And Kaylee Kawako said something similar about the Harley Quinn show. It's like, we can only. I love that show. That show is so good. It was hysterical, but it was really dumb how it's like you, you can only say cunt like 30 times. You're like, only 30? There shouldn't be any rules. It's not streaming. Right? But it is funny how it's like, they're having an argument. It's like, what can be shown on satellite TV? I'm like, it's satellite TV. Who's here to complain? I had bootleg cable, for God's sakes, for years.

[01:36:16] And there's so many ways to, half the time it feels like parents don't want to be parents. It's like, if you're a parent, you decide what's in your house instead of, oh, I don't trust them. I'm like. I know I don't have children, but if I ever had, I know censorship for me would have been minimal. I mean, you have to absolutely like violence at a certain age. Like, I don't want to like fuck them up, but like, you also don't want to say you can't watch this or that because they didn't give it weight. You give it weight. You make them interested.

[01:36:46] That's all they want to do. Exactly. And if they don't find it the main way, they'll find a workaround. They'll watch. It's okay with it. It's like, that's nothing. They're not interested. I mean, I've been fucked up since I was five. If it's on PBS, they wouldn't care. So like gratuitous violence that can fuck you up. Like I wish I hadn't have seen when I was. Oh, absolutely. But that's the other thing too. They'll find a workaround. They'll be like, Hey, show me a violent war movie in history class. Well, no, the internet exists. Like now the thing.

[01:37:16] Like, yeah, that's the, you have no chance. Yeah. The internet has already pretty much taken out the whole forbidden fruit. I noticed something in Jay and Silent Bob reboot that they steal a credit card from somebody. Oh. And the guy's name is Underhill. That's, I'm pretty sure that's a tribute to Fletch. Because in Fletch, he charges a bunch of charges to Underhill. Well, I would buy that.

[01:37:42] You know, I read something about, about Kevin Smith writing a script for a Fletch movie and having Jason Lee play Fletch. Fletch won. But it never got, it never got made. Oh, and that makes sense. It might have actually been a good movie because Fletch sucks. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I don't know. The last Fletch movie wasn't too bad. Oh, I haven't seen the, hey, Mike said you liked it with Jon Hamm. Jon Hamm. Yeah.

[01:38:10] Maybe he should get Jon Hamm in a movie just for the hell of it. I like Jon Hamm. Why not? Jay and Silent Bob are totally superheroes. Oh, hell yeah. It's either they were Cheech and Chong. Yeah. Listen, being the only person from Jersey, I can say this. I'm walking here. I can say this with a full confidence. Fuck Kevin Smith. Oh. Oh. Not the first time. Please elaborate. No, I want to know.

[01:38:39] I don't like him either. I'm not a fan of his either, so I want to know. I love his movies. Don't you like his movies? I love his movies, but he's a fucking prick. Yes. I guess to Bruce Willis. Yeah. That's where I'm at, too. I live two towns over from him. He's a fucking prick. Yeah. He always seemed like a douchebag to me, so this is awesome for you to confirm that. Yeah. I literally live two towns over from him. I've been to James Allen, Bob Seeker, Stash, and Red Bag. It's fucking 20 minutes from my house. He's a fucking prick.

[01:39:08] Oh, that makes me so happy. Oh, yo. Hey, Kevin. Nice to meet you. Follow us on the web on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. The podcast is available on Podbean, Spotify, iHeartRadio, Anchor, Apple, and anywhere else podcasts are available. Feel free to review our show and leave comments on any of those sites.

[01:39:37] Thanks a million for listening. It's a jacked up. It's a jacked up.