Retrospect on The Matrix Film, Anime, Comics & Videogame Saga with David E. Mebus (Fun Fact Friday, Medus Pod)

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[00:02:03] How are you doing tonight? Very good. How have you been?

[00:02:05] You've been busy? Busy, busy, busy

[00:02:09] I'm gonna do a proper intro. We have...

[00:02:11] Hey, I'm Metis. I'm just a regular guy

[00:02:15] But you are but you've done everything

[00:02:19] I dabble in lots of different things

[00:02:23] Not only just the MetisPod but the Fun Fact Friday and your own internet radio station

[00:02:31] Yeah

[00:02:33] And that's just that's just tip of the iceberg. That's just my online stuff. I've got MetisPod which is science fiction fantasy and horror short stories

[00:02:40] It's irregularly produced

[00:02:42] You're working on an audio drama?

[00:02:44] Yeah, it's an audio drama

[00:02:47] But I don't it's not like every week every month. It's when I get one out

[00:02:53] No, it's fine. I'm working on an audio drama myself and it takes a lot of planning just with all the people's schedules and wanting to reformat the plot twist

[00:03:01] It's a lot. It's a lot

[00:03:04] Fun Fact Friday is just a fun show I do with my daughter. It's actually Fun Fact Friday with Lila and David

[00:03:10] You got it? Well, there's like five shows called Fun Fact Friday

[00:03:13] So we stuck with our names on it because nobody else is gonna have our names

[00:03:18] That's just a weekly show I do with my 14 year old. She just turned 14. 14 year old daughter. We've been going for about four years now

[00:03:25] Just a weekly show we get on there and we talk about a different topic we try and find fun facts about it or you know

[00:03:32] We'll find the same fact, but it'll be two different numbers like

[00:03:37] This is how many of this there is and then she'll be like wait. This website says this so then we'll do like a deep dive trying to figure out which fact is true

[00:03:45] But it's mostly us goofing off and me getting some good quality time with my daughter

[00:03:50] Good quality time with my daughter

[00:03:53] Like it so and then the radio station I just have some Creative Commons music on there. It's honestly I've made it for myself

[00:04:00] To just have background music. Most of it is just instrumental slow-fi hip-hop, you know stuff like that

[00:04:06] It's just something I was playing with and then if I want to go live

[00:04:09] I've got a station I can just go live and talk to people or chat or whatever

[00:04:13] my own servers instead of

[00:04:16] Relying on twitch or YouTube or something like that. I've got my own

[00:04:21] Big into self sovereignty I

[00:04:24] did did

[00:04:26] Just get a role in the Marvel move app

[00:04:30] It's it as lovely. I know Crystal Storm who also does audio dramas has gotten one as well

[00:04:35] So that's cool that you joined the crew. Are they just open?

[00:04:40] Casting calls or they they do open casting calls, but this one I did an open casting call a while back and

[00:04:48] Said did my in person in person, you know online audition and got in their system

[00:04:56] And then they had a roll come up that they thought would be good for me

[00:04:59] So that's really about all I can say under the NDA

[00:05:03] No, that's very cool and

[00:05:08] How do you feel about

[00:05:10] voicing characters that everyone has a different perception of and you're having to do your own take as well as what the script designates I

[00:05:21] Just look at the character I try really hard not to take any previous

[00:05:27] performance of that character

[00:05:29] if any exist and I just

[00:05:32] I read the script and I put myself in that character's position as best I can

[00:05:37] I'm not like method actor where I have to like get into their head or anything like that

[00:05:42] but um, I've done so many characters over the years for me to pod from

[00:05:48] every possible perspective

[00:05:50] That I can I can get into I've always been okay at getting into people's heads

[00:05:56] You know

[00:05:57] I've done some stage acting and some you know stuff like that. So I've got a I've got a method I'm not saying I'm

[00:06:04] Classically trained method actor or anything. I just like I heard hey if you try and get into their head

[00:06:09] You can act better and I'm like, oh cool. I'll try that

[00:06:15] Lovely lovely

[00:06:16] so

[00:06:18] Our topic tonight. I feel like this is interesting because like this is proof that a movie

[00:06:24] Everyone will see it regardless of what it's rated and so what why do you think for Deadpool came out?

[00:06:29] Everyone kept doing the perception. Oh, no one's gonna see it. It's rated R

[00:06:32] It's like everybody I knew in high school and low-lone junior high had seen the first one. Yeah

[00:06:38] low-lone the second one and it's like

[00:06:42] Everybody from again the anime things the cinema fans the sci-fi

[00:06:48] horror guys

[00:06:49] the action guys and

[00:06:51] Gamers, you know, everybody had seen this Wachowski created Joel silver produced franchise and

[00:06:58] It definitely got me into cyberpunk like I started reading William Gibson afterwards and I got about okay

[00:07:04] so it talked about everything from

[00:07:08] the cerebral cortex of what a machine thanks to virtual reality to evil corporations and

[00:07:15] post-apocalyptic dystopias and sometimes well versus bait

[00:07:18] Yeah, fighting to death, yeah, there's a bit of running man in there. Um, and you know, it wasn't too hard to modify for TV

[00:07:27] riff tracks the

[00:07:29] Mr. Science theater inspired had some amusing commentaries of it. The DVDs were packed. They were in every other magazine the

[00:07:38] Has the has been and rising actors all got bunch of fan mail and kept coming back and forth

[00:07:44] Has been and rising actors all got bunch of fan mail and kept getting on every other big movie and show afterwards and then

[00:07:52] You know it changed how people filmed

[00:07:55] international productions in both Australia and America it changed how

[00:08:00] people film just green screens and mixed Foley and

[00:08:03] shoot

[00:08:04] green screen with cinema and

[00:08:07] Slow-motion effects. It's just like and then it's just so funny how much like t2 in Judgment Day

[00:08:13] The wrong people start misinterpreting what the audience wants and then ignoring all the philosophy and story and you're like stop having

[00:08:21] Pointless fight scenes with loud metal and electronic music playing. That's not what we wanted

[00:08:26] No, no, it was it was the entirety of it all put together

[00:08:29] yeah, it wasn't I mean how many movies did bullet time after the matrix and just

[00:08:36] ruined it didn't make any sense in the plot and it was just yeah

[00:08:40] And and that goes even back to even early John will alone Sam Peckinpah, you know

[00:08:46] Wild bunches is like it's always been a thing but it was kind of it in Dark City

[00:08:50] We're kind of adding to the whole hey, let's do our take on it

[00:08:54] And right I think that's how it overcame just being called derivative. It's like well, it's doing its own thing

[00:09:00] that others have done and

[00:09:02] but

[00:09:04] Yeah, no, so for anyone who wants to know yeah, there's been

[00:09:10] a series of

[00:09:13] Comics on this saga. There's been

[00:09:16] three hit video games there's

[00:09:19] Actually a fourth technically but then where there homes and video there's that many video games. I remember into the matrix

[00:09:26] That's the only one that I ever saw. Oh, yeah

[00:09:28] I'll get into a little later. Okay, okay and

[00:09:32] And there was an official magazine believe or not and

[00:09:36] Then of course there was also the

[00:09:40] Frequel anime anthology the animatrix some of which played before

[00:09:45] Reloaded coming out in theaters and I mean 2003 what a big year. You got all these blockbusters

[00:09:51] You know something for everybody hit cartoon movies hit indie and art house movies and then

[00:09:58] foreign films epic films

[00:10:02] All kinds of genres and then

[00:10:05] Just mixing it in with just kind of you know

[00:10:08] It's and then you got these two sequels going back to back against you know lower the rings and all other sorts of blockbusters and

[00:10:18] Well, what did you think about just everything from Don Davis's John Williams influence score to

[00:10:26] The atmosphere I just watched I watched the matrix a couple weeks ago

[00:10:33] But I watched a

[00:10:35] To or you know, what is it?

[00:10:38] Reloaded yeah revisions and resurrections. I watched all three of those today. Oh

[00:10:44] Wow

[00:10:46] Was working on some some JavaScript stuff and watching them on the side screen

[00:10:52] but the I

[00:10:54] had never seen resurrections and

[00:10:57] it is a

[00:10:59] jarring difference between

[00:11:01] The the original trilogy and the new one

[00:11:05] It's an interesting

[00:11:06] fan divide like there's people who only acknowledge the first one then there's some people who like one and then like parts of part two and

[00:11:13] Then there's people like the whole trilogy and then people who reject the part free and now we got the fourth one which

[00:11:19] I'm really so that one was really surprising what people liked it and what people didn't like it

[00:11:24] And I was just like I was really I was stoked. I wanted to go see it

[00:11:29] I didn't watch any trailers. I see what and it's so funny long story short

[00:11:33] We were gonna make it like be like a Thanksgiving movie

[00:11:37] My sister had barely seen any of them

[00:11:39] I just like let's just do a fun movie gathering my dad's like, okay

[00:11:42] You know, I I came behind the first one at least and my mom's like, oh, do you want to do this or not?

[00:11:47] And next thing, you know, we crisis averted we forgot

[00:11:51] And then I forgot and you want to talk waking up

[00:11:55] I was getting over some insomnia and I decided to finally watch the part four because it's like hey

[00:12:01] It's leaving HBO Max in in a week. It's on there now

[00:12:05] but just at the time they were just

[00:12:07] Let it regurgitate and trying to get a little extra money off the side before it left theaters the next thing

[00:12:12] you know, I go on there and I'm like

[00:12:14] boom, I

[00:12:17] This is not the worst thing I've ever seen but I don't have anything nice to say about it exactly

[00:12:21] It's a total why bother like everybody I love for me

[00:12:26] They brought back Jay I'll get into some of the characters is like, yeah

[00:12:29] They brought back some of the guys and I missed a lot of the whole

[00:12:33] takes on making fun of the DC and Marvel movies, but I'm just like again, like I saw people who

[00:12:39] Really were born with it really fucking hate it

[00:12:42] And then I saw a bunch of others who found it kind of amusing and I'm like

[00:12:45] I didn't expect you to like this at all. You're not even not much into that. So

[00:12:50] But you want to talk I think the biggest contrarian ism is how you know again

[00:12:56] Wachowski's they've changed so much over the years and I mean that in good way like they they have gone on to do other collaborations with

[00:13:02] The creator of battle on five. Jay Michael Straczynski

[00:13:05] I mean he wrote for Superman

[00:13:07] So how appropriate you're writing with the guy who wrote Superman and the guy who had created their own Superman who was Neo

[00:13:12] Anderson and it's funny to me how you know, they've worked together and they had a similar

[00:13:17] Again post-apocalyptic kind of narratives and everything and visual effects storytelling, but both

[00:13:26] Just

[00:13:28] Lily and

[00:13:30] Lana there's like

[00:13:33] Their quota is saying yeah, I would be terrible to make a fourth one

[00:13:36] And then somewhere after making some of their other movies are like let's make another one. It's like well what happened?

[00:13:41] What why did you decide? I

[00:13:44] Wondered how much there's a little speech in the and the resurrections movie about

[00:13:50] When they're talking about the video game how those original trillion video game

[00:13:55] Yeah, I'm never gonna make another one

[00:13:57] There's no way we're making another one

[00:13:58] But then Warner Brothers came in and said you got to make another one so they made another one

[00:14:02] Yeah, I was like I wonder how meta that is and how

[00:14:06] How much that has to do with anything?

[00:14:09] Totally happened, you know what I mean? Well that actually does make a lot of sense cuz like

[00:14:14] The Wachowskis appear in cartoon versions in so the other was

[00:14:18] Free video games that there was the inner the majors which was just showing you what?

[00:14:22] our side heroes ghosts and I owe we do

[00:14:26] to help out in between the sequels and

[00:14:31] Then they did the path of Neo which was fun because you got to play not only through

[00:14:35] Extended versions of the movies as well as fun side quest and train as the one but you got to fight a

[00:14:42] It had other playful stuff and amusing

[00:14:45] voice acting

[00:14:48] Yeah, it came out in 05 so two years after the people are still kind of liking her

[00:14:54] Over the franchise and it's being remastered on DVD and blu-ray packs

[00:14:58] But yeah, it came out it was they were all T. That was the other ironic part is like the movies

[00:15:03] Were are just because occasionally they got a little too bloody at the end or had like a few choice words

[00:15:11] Yeah, and they get the games are T and you know, they're showing part of the violent scenes like yeah

[00:15:16] Then you're fine. But so you got to master all the bullet time

[00:15:20] but then you got to do an alternate ending where you beat up agent Smith and

[00:15:25] to the tune of we are the champions by Queen and

[00:15:28] It's so funny because agent Smith decides to take all his combined Smiths and make mecha Smith so it's making fun

[00:15:34] Oh my gosh, that sounds amazing. What was the system?

[00:15:38] Yeah, there's PlayStation 2. I play station to let's see

[00:15:42] at the neo but

[00:15:45] yeah, but they were both by shiny entertainment and published by Atari and

[00:15:51] Yeah, it was on Xbox and Microsoft Windows too, but

[00:15:55] What was so funny is near the end before you fight that final mission the watch house keys appear in

[00:16:01] animated forms is saying hey you got in this far yada yada and

[00:16:05] It's a total they're in a sofa chair. Just like Morpheus and the first one

[00:16:11] but

[00:16:13] Yeah, unfortunately

[00:16:15] But like you've said earlier, it's a little too cute for its own good, right? Yeah

[00:16:21] Well, that sounds better I had the wrong setting on my mic

[00:16:25] Okay

[00:16:26] It's been

[00:16:28] I was like what is going on? I didn't hear it. Maybe an agent is infiltrating our system trying to transform

[00:16:33] Am I talking to the right?

[00:16:36] Yeah, so I mean

[00:16:39] We'll go into all of it we can rate it on a five-star scale and everything

[00:16:42] But um, so yeah

[00:16:44] I featured

[00:16:45] Keanu Reeves of point break Bill and Ted and speed fame in a comeback role as new Anderson plunged

[00:16:50] And into the abyss of hell that he thought was his life and then realizing oh, it's all an illusion

[00:16:57] and of course after using fun, you know, Alice in Wonderland type imagery and

[00:17:02] going down a literal virtual rabbit hole and

[00:17:07] Escaping his hell hole and being taught by utter escaped

[00:17:12] fellow resistance fighters led by Morpheus played by

[00:17:17] everyone's favorite cowboy quarters Laurence Fishburne and

[00:17:21] newcomer Carrie and moss who's gone on to do other great stuff like

[00:17:24] Marvel's Jessica Jones

[00:17:27] Yeah, it just

[00:17:29] It made its impact on the world. Everybody was quoting

[00:17:33] I mean I could always tell if someone was a mega fan when they would just come up to me and just start

[00:17:37] Invitating the lead villains to say mr. Anderson, we

[00:17:42] all those shining type

[00:17:45] Camera work where they're going down an empty hallway only to find that there's actually a death around a corner

[00:17:49] This is like just and then all that kind of Terminator imagery where you're seeing all these, you know

[00:17:57] inanimate machines harvesting, you know what little life remains against these, you know darkly lit backdrops and you're like

[00:18:04] I have gone into a new kind of hell and

[00:18:09] And much like alien and Star Wars is like it's been imitated in the best and worst ways to where sometimes it's ruined

[00:18:16] Other people's enjoyment of these movies

[00:18:19] they again, you know, they will always be on DVD and blu-ray and HBO Max and

[00:18:26] It's just these were always easy to modify for TNT that

[00:18:30] occasionally I'll see him playing on balance and BET just cuz you know

[00:18:35] The minorities really like how there's some cool, you know heroes for their demographic and you know

[00:18:40] Who can complain about that Morpheus is good with a sword

[00:18:43] carrying moss, you know really as Trinity kind of defined the whole this

[00:18:47] heroic, you know one one woman army kind of mentality that we had only kind of seen with stuff like Nikita and

[00:18:56] yeah, yeah, there you go and alien and

[00:19:00] yeah, and

[00:19:02] Kudos to him. I mean when there was all kinds of stuff coming out

[00:19:05] I just do kind of miss that early late 90s early 2000s gap where there was something for everybody

[00:19:10] Like if you didn't see cool guys forced

[00:19:15] Yes, if you didn't see guys in black armor with glasses going about with unusually large weapons

[00:19:23] then you were probably still watching something like

[00:19:25] men in black blade

[00:19:28] Then there was X-Men the following year and it's trying to do with some of the same influence and right

[00:19:32] How about X-Files? Oh, we can't have colorful uniforms. No, we have to have

[00:19:36] black leather like black and yellow leather. Yeah and

[00:19:41] and

[00:19:42] with a cool electronic score, you know, my guy usually does composing and

[00:19:48] yeah, and

[00:19:50] It's I've even talked to one of the guys who played

[00:19:53] The agents in reloaded and

[00:19:57] He was kind of the same way when he approached the matrix where everyone was kind of just watching it

[00:20:01] But not paying close attention and then they you know, then the third viewings like whoa, this is bigger than I imagine

[00:20:07] You know and they used a some sarcastic music. I mean the finals

[00:20:12] Song by Rage Against the Machine is totally talking about opening up your world and realizing everything's a lie

[00:20:17] You know, it's just right all this stuff peppered and

[00:20:21] It's just so sad with our political divide that people want to now misinterpret this and Fight Club and you're like, no

[00:20:27] You don't want to take the red pill. You don't want to take this pill

[00:20:30] You know, you don't you don't want to be involved in any of that

[00:20:35] Yeah

[00:20:36] I've seen kind of like the other clickbait sites

[00:20:39] My father came across one years ago and he was just shaking his head is like there's one where they're like agent Smith

[00:20:44] I was actually the hero and I'm like you people have too many now

[00:20:49] You people have too many now much time on your hands

[00:20:52] Was it talking about agent Smith being the hero or agent Smith being the one?

[00:20:57] because the hero the okay, yeah, cuz there's a theory out there that agent Smith is the one because

[00:21:04] Supposed to be the one to bring down the matrix

[00:21:06] I that makes sense and that makes sense but they weren't going there with that they were he was the protagonist

[00:21:12] Right. This was bad like

[00:21:15] It's like the Darth Vader is like Luke it's just he went too far, you know

[00:21:19] Or like every other season of 24 how there's someone like Jack Bauer

[00:21:23] But he goes too far and Jack has to kill him because he's breaking every rule in principle, you know

[00:21:28] It's it's or arrest them and say, you know, you're done. But it's funny how here. Yeah, it was like best-written villains

[00:21:37] They're the hero of their own story. Absolutely. I look at Monsters Inc. For example, there you go

[00:21:45] Is

[00:21:46] He's just trying to save his people because they don't have enough electricity like they're having go blackouts and he's like hey

[00:21:52] I know how to make more energy we kidnap these kids and make them scream because that's how we get energy

[00:21:58] Absolutely. I'm gonna save my people, you know Hans Gruber who are the Joel silver effect is very much like

[00:22:05] Freaking agent Smith same kind of deal is like I'm not here to get anyone hurt

[00:22:09] But you are getting in my way of me getting rich

[00:22:11] So if you keep locking the vault, I'm going to shoot as many people as it takes

[00:22:16] Just open and give me the money

[00:22:19] Yeah

[00:22:21] And then um, what was it is diehard 3

[00:22:25] where he

[00:22:26] He tried to make it look like he was had some like political but he was really just stealing shit. Oh

[00:22:34] Sorry, I don't know if I can cut no no, it's fine

[00:22:37] Remember

[00:22:39] Where he he makes them think they're terrorists

[00:22:41] Yeah, like we're just he just says I'm a common thief and diehard was so great because like then people even started

[00:22:48] It's not just all the different knockoffs, but also just they had similar villains. I mean

[00:22:53] 006, you know Sean Bean and Goldeneye the James Bond movie does the similar line where he's like

[00:22:58] I'm not a common thief and it's just so funny is like at least they're honest

[00:23:02] Yeah, they're diabolical scheme and I loved how you know agent Smith is just

[00:23:07] Same kind of deal just emotionless. He's just as

[00:23:11] ruthless as Emperor Palpatine in Star Wars and then he's doing the whole you know, it's gonna be tough to

[00:23:17] Rattle the cage and talk bad stuff about us if I close your mouth here in this interrogation room

[00:23:22] I'll make you shut up. I'll make you shut up and I

[00:23:26] Just how good was Hugo weaving?

[00:23:29] It's a signature role and to just do that

[00:23:32] You know, you know already done

[00:23:34] so many other cult movies like he's amazing and Priscilla Queen of the desert and

[00:23:38] You know kids will know him as the voice of Megatron and Transformers a role

[00:23:41] He's disowned since but and then you know, but doing this the same time as you're doing the good wood elf

[00:23:47] you know Elrond, Lord of the Rings and it's like

[00:23:51] But I think this is his magnum opus because I mean even by the sequels he is

[00:23:57] Yeah, I like I said before it's cool seeing a renegade villain

[00:24:01] You know first, you know, he was part of the matrix then

[00:24:06] amusingly when Neo defeats him he was able to regenerate but then resurface outside of his programming and go a wall and just

[00:24:13] Say, you know, I'm gonna I'm a virus now in human form and I'm gonna now mess with my own

[00:24:20] System and make it my you know turf

[00:24:23] And he was the hero of his own story. He wanted to eradicate the things that he didn't like

[00:24:29] He wanted to make clone replicate. Yeah

[00:24:32] So I like how when they're messing with them and they're trying to stop him from transforming people that was just kind of a cool just kind

[00:24:39] of

[00:24:40] Acknowledgement of the whole system now

[00:24:42] Obviously people have complained since and I noticed it too like three years after that the CGI didn't date as well

[00:24:48] But at least it's telling the story

[00:24:52] Yeah, I was watching it

[00:24:55] Watching them today and like you can it's very very obvious when they switch from

[00:25:00] I don't know why because industrial light and magic same deal

[00:25:03] Like they worked on all the Terminator sequels for instance, and yet only t2 seems to hold up

[00:25:08] Right. It's good stuff

[00:25:11] Recently. Yeah, but like there's good stuff in parts of like dark fate and T free

[00:25:15] But ultimately the only stuff that truly is does good is the makeup and you know actual effects

[00:25:21] So I don't know why I don't know and people have done arguments. Oh, it's our eyes adjusting like you could tell it was CGI

[00:25:28] But it looked good. It told the story and everything. I don't know if it's just

[00:25:32] Well, it was the best you'd seen I remember playing

[00:25:37] Mario 64

[00:25:39] Thinking to myself. This is it. This is the best graphics are ever gonna get this is the this I guess

[00:25:45] Medical of graphics, but I mean with t2 they developed the whole transforming software

[00:25:49] I mean they did some of that with Jurassic Park the first one and that same kind of deal

[00:25:54] It's like the sit the original the og is the one to go to and yet when you look at that

[00:26:01] Sequel is just like hey rushed on that one, you know, but the puppets are good

[00:26:05] You know, I think it was the might have been the first one

[00:26:08] No, it was the second matrix one of the first scenes is one of the ships coming in

[00:26:14] And like you look at the texture map on the ship on the CG ship and it's just like the same texture repeated over

[00:26:21] I was like man, they could they could have easily made that look better

[00:26:25] Yeah

[00:26:26] Who did the visual effects on?

[00:26:29] Matrix but I remember the same kind of deal room like that's cool, but it could be cooler

[00:26:33] Right not even that much time would have wouldn't have taken that much time to add another little texture to bury it up

[00:26:39] A little bit, you know

[00:26:44] I've been depresses me a bit

[00:26:51] Yeah, so

[00:26:55] ESC entertainment was one dealing with complex virtual humans plus the chase scenes and reloaded

[00:27:01] But yeah, then there was a bunch of other ones

[00:27:04] And I don't know. It's just

[00:27:07] I do like though how

[00:27:10] Even though it's got all this terminator Star Trek type technology with virtual machines and everything and

[00:27:17] Human versus being you know upon being a slave to you know, a fascist society

[00:27:22] Then there's still kind of this ultimately what wins out is kind of the Star Wars type escape

[00:27:27] As of their free battles often being fought at once

[00:27:30] Right, and you know where everyone is without getting confused

[00:27:33] I mean Lord of the Rings would do a similar one

[00:27:36] You know often, you know by the time it came out it just felt like it was Star Wars even though Star Wars had taken from

[00:27:41] The books but it's the same kind of narrative is like, okay

[00:27:44] we got an internal struggle with one of the rulers is fighting one of his underlings and the other good guys and then the

[00:27:50] Main guy who's on his standalone side quest is trying to disable the whole machine from the ground up

[00:27:56] And then we cut you know the main little sentinels which are these you know

[00:28:01] bug looking type, you know

[00:28:03] Bots that are going around ripping people and have

[00:28:08] Humans who are in these armored, you know machine gun Latin, you know

[00:28:13] Defense turrets that can walk around is like that was cool. But then yeah still they even added in like the plucky kid

[00:28:21] Yeah, he just wanted to help you know, he wanted to wanted there's always a kid in each one and

[00:28:28] My mother was a fan of the show Oz and so when

[00:28:32] Seeing Harold Perin out of the narrator, you know Augustus as link that was kind of a cool kind of thing because

[00:28:38] Apparently Marcus Chong who yes is related to

[00:28:41] Cheeching Chong I was asking for too much money

[00:28:44] But I don't feel like he did enough in like the first movie

[00:28:46] But link did way much more in the sepals as he is actually trying to hack the mainframe saying you're good to go

[00:28:52] Or shit. There's a glitch. Hold on right?

[00:28:55] you know look convincing the agents are gonna spot you and I

[00:28:59] Just applaud the agents for being near unstoppable that gave them kind of an unsettling appeal before the you know

[00:29:07] Freaky music starts playing, you know, they're you're always the badasses were afraid of the agents

[00:29:12] Like if you see yes, you know like the people I got anybody are like, oh shit

[00:29:17] We were joking on a special where we talked about the villains of the Bourne identity franchise and we're like

[00:29:22] Yeah, I think Jason Bourne would be the only one who'd be able to take on a bunch of them because everyone else

[00:29:26] You know, it is almost kind of like the Terminator they wasted like five different machine gun clips on them and before they run

[00:29:32] Or it's too late and

[00:29:36] Somebody and it doesn't hurt them in the slightest. I'm leaving that's I'm like, yeah, that's all I can do

[00:29:42] Totally it they're kind of like the Borgon away where sometimes they are affected

[00:29:47] But they you know, they re-heal or they you know

[00:29:49] They respond in it and then it's another kind of playing God kind of argument

[00:29:54] Like because in order to beam in they have to spawn where an actual human in virtual form is

[00:30:00] So it is kind of like I've seen people compared to the enemies in doom

[00:30:05] Yeah, when you see them spawn

[00:30:06] You can stop them from spawning by like leaving a grenade before they do and you good

[00:30:10] You got to do that in the video game sometimes where you would

[00:30:13] If you knew where they were gonna spawn you just said okay. I know guys coming in here. Yeah

[00:30:18] Absolutely. I'm gonna use the grenade launcher and blow something up behind them

[00:30:22] So they'll be on their ass and have to regenerate

[00:30:25] by this level but I mean and they're just so freaky because I mean if they're not stopping you they're stopping agent Smith and

[00:30:33] They're not stopping you then they're still having to fight the free heroes who have

[00:30:39] You know our pros now, they know how to fight the system and it's just even creepier because they'll

[00:30:46] You know alert actual authority figures in

[00:30:50] The virtual system, you know

[00:30:53] Because it was like then you have people, you know as part of a SWAT team or something

[00:30:58] So they got their secret army to slow you down. And so that's what was just so creepy about it. It wasn't just a

[00:31:04] Numbers game so much as it was you got a bunch of options and only one of them might get you out alive

[00:31:11] So how do you feel about the theory that

[00:31:15] The the real world the Zion world is actually just another layer of the matrix

[00:31:21] You know, I never thought of it but that would actually make sense because I mean

[00:31:25] Because I think about it and agent Smith can travel in in between the two worlds

[00:31:30] So this is kind of like heat where Pachino and De Niro really are the same person just on opposite ends of the law

[00:31:36] And I do kind of get a bunch of that where it's just he has to use machines in order to survive and become better

[00:31:42] But the difference is you know, the agents are more of a Skynet like in the turn-of-the-mill films where

[00:31:48] It just only knows how to

[00:31:50] Create more machines and eliminate anything in its past. So yeah, I mean

[00:31:55] They both have to use

[00:31:57] technology to get what they want and

[00:32:00] I meant like

[00:32:02] Zion is like you've got your matrix and there's like a matrix within a matrix

[00:32:08] Zion is in the outer layer because they know the robots know that humans yearn to escape from things that they're when they're trapped in it

[00:32:15] I think that's what I dug about it too. It was already escaped out of one matrix. They feel like hey, I escaped

[00:32:22] I'm free when in reality they're still in a pod just on a higher level

[00:32:26] Oh, absolutely

[00:32:27] That's kind of where the mirror of engine stuff was fascinating to me is like they're

[00:32:30] Renegades in a different part of the computer system that Skynet doesn't mess with and the the train

[00:32:36] That's got a man that part the rain man was so creepy and that's where is that? Where is that like?

[00:32:43] Like I did I wish they could have expanded upon it more

[00:32:46] But I liked how it was kind of in a different abyss of hell where other people don't even realize they kind of coexist

[00:32:53] but yeah, I mean then you got Bruce Spence playing the train man and he's been in old the Mad Max movies and

[00:33:01] Yeah, no that that that that would make sense to me because Zion would probably risk becoming another matrix just cuz you know

[00:33:08] Humans once they rebuild and could probably get greedy and you know

[00:33:13] Want to become spoiled on their own devices so to speak and I had completely forgotten about the whole

[00:33:20] Train man and that that whole little train station that Neo got stuck in it's kind of an awkward beginning

[00:33:26] That's kind of my only complaint about revolutions. But why do you think people hated?

[00:33:31] spoiler for an over 20 year old movie a

[00:33:34] Jesus Christ type figure having to sacrifice himself to destroy the entire system

[00:33:40] Yeah, I feel like they went a little heavy-handed with the imagery on that whole cross

[00:33:47] Yeah, well, I'm fine with it as a cuz like the hero fight a fight I love when he's having to

[00:33:55] Come up with a bigger punch just to counter Smith

[00:33:59] Right and shut the whole thing down. Like he is having I think he I can't remember

[00:34:04] I think Smith is it Smith who acknowledges? He's a virus and

[00:34:09] You know realizes like I'm gonna be the bigger virus who infects you yeah what actually what I what I

[00:34:16] my thoughts were that

[00:34:18] Essentially, the Oracle is what took Smith down when he absorbed. Yes

[00:34:24] When you know knows everything from the Oracle's so to the point where he knows what she would say and do

[00:34:31] And she I never thought about that. That's amazing. And if you look the one that

[00:34:36] Becomes afraid the Smith that becomes afraid that's fighting him in the water pit at the end of

[00:34:41] revolutions

[00:34:42] when all of the Smiths blow up

[00:34:46] That one turns back into the Oracle. Oh

[00:34:50] So the one that was fighting him was the Oracle Smith

[00:34:53] I wish there should have been an extra shot on that

[00:34:55] I guess a lot of people missed that it was it was a couple like a

[00:34:59] Like six frames in the movie of the Oracle laying in the bottom of the pit being the one that he was

[00:35:04] Being the one that

[00:35:06] They got defeated down there. Amazing, dude, and if I would see what he says

[00:35:11] Yeah, go back and watch just that last scene

[00:35:13] And you'll see that the fact that Smith

[00:35:17] Took over the Oracle and part of the Oracle became part of that Smith

[00:35:22] and that's the one that thought Neo is what actually took the Smiths down because like

[00:35:26] He tasted your own medicine

[00:35:29] Exactly. She she had in her head how that fight was supposed to end

[00:35:33] But then it doesn't in the way it was supposed to because Neo makes that the choice to get back up

[00:35:38] And it freaks out agent Smith because he's in the Oracle's brain now

[00:35:43] As well as we're being in his that's another thing

[00:35:46] I think they could have probably explored and reminded people on whatever he's yeah

[00:35:50] He and then in the fourth movie, they remind you of things too much

[00:35:53] There's too many like flashback scenes of like when this happened earlier in the movie

[00:35:59] I really loved Neil Patrick Harris, but he was not well used in that and no

[00:36:03] Yeah, I I like all the other supporting actors and other stuff

[00:36:06] I mean they have the guy who was the new candy man for god's sakes is one of the agents that was like

[00:36:11] That was also what was confusing about the marketing. I'm like is he's

[00:36:14] standing in for

[00:36:16] Did I miss this somehow you don't want to it's it's really bad

[00:36:21] But who knows you might like it. It was by Blumhouse who's doing those new halloween movies, but oh gotcha and

[00:36:28] Despite a Tony Todd cameo. I was bored shitless and like, okay i'll give you there's one cool shot of our interaction

[00:36:34] but it's missing the themes of at least the first two movies where

[00:36:38] You're seeing this man who's been wrongfully killed but like freddy krueger, you know goes too far and decides

[00:36:45] to be a slasher and

[00:36:47] uh this woman who

[00:36:50] Is becoming aware of her racially segregated town and everything, you know, it's just and

[00:36:55] That's an interesting contrast to today because I mean matrix is showing us how you know, this is basically segregated where

[00:37:04] uh, you know humans are being hunted just for the fact that they're not a machine and

[00:37:09] You know, they gotta

[00:37:11] If you got it, you can only be in this, you know

[00:37:14] Illusion you can't actually be living

[00:37:17] Right

[00:37:19] Yeah

[00:37:22] And that's what was just so harrowing about is like without actually showing anything you're seeing babies, you know become you know

[00:37:29] Guinea pigs another thing that was interesting to me is when smith would take over a person

[00:37:35] I don't think the matrix flushed them

[00:37:38] Um, that's a good point and and if you think about it, they might not have all died

[00:37:43] They might have still been disabled

[00:37:45] Right. The machines would actually

[00:37:47] That would be the better system for them

[00:37:50] Is to have all the humans just become smiths

[00:37:53] They would get their power from the humans

[00:37:55] There you go

[00:37:57] So you just have a world of smiths. You have hacked the system my dude

[00:38:01] Yeah

[00:38:02] I just figured out the best version of the matrix. It's just all smiths

[00:38:06] There you go

[00:38:07] The original story had them had the humans actually made more sense

[00:38:11] Um, I had the humans their brains were being used as processors for the absolutely the ai

[00:38:17] but the

[00:38:19] Uh, what was it called the um, warner brothers thought that people were too stupid

[00:38:24] To understand like I believe it. That's what uh in that before the hbo thing came out

[00:38:29] I remember lorenzo d bonaventura in the superman

[00:38:33] libs documentary who you know, he used to be the president of warner brothers and he left to you know form his own

[00:38:38] company and work for paramount and

[00:38:41] I remember when he was developing he's like, ah, i'm not talking to people who understand this concept and

[00:38:48] Our marketing is bad and we're only making our money back by having money

[00:38:52] making money from hbo repeats and

[00:38:55] It is amazing how?

[00:38:57] I mean

[00:38:58] Again, when they first made this this they were like this is going to be impossible

[00:39:02] We're working with a you know, a chinese stunt team who doesn't

[00:39:07] You know, we already got the language barrier, but now we're having to actually

[00:39:10] How we're going to fill in the fight scenes and it's like well the story makes sense

[00:39:15] We just got to make the fight serve the movie and it just seems like half the time people are

[00:39:20] Just like we with all these wonderful guests

[00:39:22] I've been fortunate enough to have on this show where people are all essentially saying the same thing

[00:39:27] But just trying to validate themselves and how they get stuff done

[00:39:31] It's just like everyone here was speaking the same language, but fortunately somewhat a few different key minds

[00:39:38] shot through

[00:39:39] And had it made sense to everybody where they're like

[00:39:42] We're saying the same thing we're just saying it differently here's how we you know align with each other. Here's how we

[00:39:49] Blend without being a smith clone. Yeah blending

[00:39:53] blending, yeah, but that's uh

[00:39:56] Yeah, yes, it comes down to good leadership is what it comes down to and then

[00:40:00] one of the problems all these movies is is like

[00:40:04] You have the the what's it called? The the studio?

[00:40:07] Getting involved and messing with the person who has the good idea

[00:40:12] Uh brad pitt we were talking about world war z earlier brad pitt wanted to make

[00:40:17] world war z the movie

[00:40:19] Be like exactly like the book like a documentary. Yes

[00:40:23] And have it be

[00:40:25] The book on film

[00:40:27] And studios were like that won't sell we got to have fast zombies and I'm

[00:40:32] I hear they're still trying to develop a tv show and I think that that would be better. I think now that

[00:40:37] uh

[00:40:38] amazon

[00:40:40] Even shuttered some extent and some of these that are even hulu are now figuring out you got to have just eight episodes

[00:40:48] You know and have them flow

[00:40:49] Don't don't do what netflix does where there's like 20 and only half of them have any relevance to moving the plot forward

[00:40:56] Just tell the story

[00:40:58] Don't put in filler episode actually market it

[00:41:01] You know, I mean there's a reason will of time and reacher and even bosh have been such great hits. They

[00:41:07] Don't over explain they have kick-ass like previously on intros to get you in the mood should you miss a step

[00:41:13] I mean the expanse

[00:41:15] Uh, that was a brilliant just an ensemble from the ground up and there's a bit of matrix type

[00:41:20] I've seen the expanse without spoiling any of it. I don't believe in spoilers, but i'll get to that

[00:41:25] I don't care if you just split things. Well, this is so funny

[00:41:28] I think what's funny is I had a douchey neighbor who I would hang out with we would play with action figures and run around

[00:41:35] Do lightsaber fights and everything but what's so funny is he ruined the matrix for me like the final one?

[00:41:41] And yeah, he did it with everything like chronicles of red egg everything and

[00:41:47] I was like you

[00:41:49] Asshole, you know like because that was my unwritten rule like I was just a calm shy geek growing up

[00:41:55] Before toby the ending

[00:41:57] But I got my revenge because I played the lego

[00:42:00] And the revenge of the sith star wars game and he was a mega star wars fan and I spoiled the ending or revenge of the sith

[00:42:08] Hey, like um, and he's like why would you do that? I'm like you only do it with every movie I do

[00:42:15] It was cool until everyone died at the end

[00:42:18] Let's see. That's the other thing too. They wouldn't look at the bigger purpose

[00:42:20] I'm okay with people dying in it like look at the bleak ending of terminator free

[00:42:25] Oh, yeah

[00:42:26] That's like that's the only part everyone can agree on on that device of sequel is that was a ballsy move to just show kind

[00:42:32] Of a you know one person infected it from the ground up and pushed the button

[00:42:38] And this whole thing or like oh, that's right. We let our guard down

[00:42:41] We were trying so hard to keep the future resistance guy safe

[00:42:46] That judgment day was still inevitable. Oh fuck. Oops. We forgot we forgot to

[00:42:51] Double our efforts and split up and do this and that and then keep the kids safe

[00:42:56] We forgot to uh to stop doomsday from happening. Yeah

[00:43:00] Sorry, we we went all leroy jenkins on this. Um

[00:43:05] But yeah, um

[00:43:06] yeah, and

[00:43:08] What were where were we? Uh, I don't know

[00:43:12] It was just I ramble again we no no it's fine on tangents

[00:43:17] but I mean it was just so funny how

[00:43:20] uh, just

[00:43:21] I like a lot of these theories because I think

[00:43:24] I mean just looking at how when they did all those special edition dvds and

[00:43:28] Giant packs and they would have so many real life philosophers do their own take on it

[00:43:32] I mean

[00:43:33] And I think by the time the expanse rolled out people were ready for that because you had

[00:43:38] One of the lead star trek writers nearing shanker, you know as the head writer

[00:43:43] You had approval and heavy involvement from the authors of that dense and very complex book series

[00:43:49] Everyone got along with each other. There was only one actor who long story short was doing inappropriate stuff

[00:43:54] But he was a minor enough guy they were able to kill him off

[00:43:57] No hard feelings and the changes they made were very minor in context to where

[00:44:04] People had only seen the show were cool with it people who were cool with the books were like, yeah, that's fine

[00:44:08] That's just uh, it was kind of like the tom bombadil segment of lord of the rings

[00:44:12] Nothing really happens in this chapter so you can take it out

[00:44:15] We can shave an hour off of the movie and I have done that numerous times with book fans

[00:44:20] They are always like I want to have this I want to have that i'm like if you filmed that

[00:44:24] It would just kill 40 minutes but make people go. What's the point? You can cut it out. It's a deleted scene

[00:44:30] That's why a lot of the uh, disney princess movies

[00:44:34] There's only one parent because you don't need two parents if one does the job and then story if you don't need it

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[00:46:23] He wouldn't become a future evil king if you know

[00:46:26] He had a mother whipping him into shape if he had a dad who was there for him and bought him, you know

[00:46:31] Chocolate, you know, it's just something, you know exactly

[00:46:34] If you've got well if you got

[00:46:37] the hobbit

[00:46:38] Bingo dwarves. There's there's essentially two dwarfs

[00:46:42] Mm-hmm

[00:46:43] There's there's thorin oakenshield and then the rest I never thought about that, but that is completely true

[00:46:48] There are only two who do anything and the rest are kind of moving targets. They're there

[00:46:53] Yeah, they're there and you know, they're there but you can't tell any of them apart. You're just like exactly

[00:46:58] You're like, oh one of the dwarves is off doing something

[00:47:01] And it's not thorin

[00:47:03] It's one of the other ones, you know

[00:47:05] So I that is i'm glad you bring that up because that is a perfect example when

[00:47:10] I see people go

[00:47:11] Oh, you're just don't like this because you're a fan of the book. I'm like no not true at all

[00:47:17] I am looking at the free, you know things that verify this as a movie versus your adapt

[00:47:23] You're copying pasting the book

[00:47:24] But it's not it needs another one sober to make it theatrical and you know

[00:47:28] Pobbit was another one where I was like, okay, i'm not crazy about the free movie structure, but i'll go with it

[00:47:34] And then

[00:47:35] You know, it's my favorite book. I've read it three times

[00:47:38] I lost you you want to talk about how many times people in the matrix flip off, you know and jack out and you know

[00:47:44] Take their virtual device off. I kept flinging my 3d glasses off because I rejected that reality

[00:47:50] They were setting up so yeah, it was interesting to me 3d

[00:47:53] well, yeah, but

[00:47:56] All the shortest chapters of the book are the longest sequences in the movie

[00:48:00] And they break that roll up but nothing got done. That was just for easy shits and giggles

[00:48:06] Hey, there's some jackie chan physical comedy. I don't want to see that in the lord of the rings movie

[00:48:10] That's not what it's meant to do

[00:48:11] It's meant to be good versus evil and they duke it out for 10 minutes every other scene

[00:48:17] but

[00:48:18] These scenes are now becoming 30 minutes and i'm like but the story is not progressing so i don't river barrel scene

[00:48:24] That that was the one that's what I said minutes or something like that

[00:48:27] And it was just like oh my gosh this this would have been amazing as a four minute scene another great contrast

[00:48:34] The effects in the original trilogy they really they hold up for the most part for me other than the horses

[00:48:40] But there's yeah, there's a few things that you're like, uh, but that fire could use something touching

[00:48:45] But that was 2000. Yeah, that was

[00:48:48] 99 98 level, you know cgi adobe

[00:48:52] Before it became a thing and that's cool

[00:48:54] But and it served the story

[00:48:56] I mean say we talked about how they team the vachowskis teamed up with the battle on five guy same deal

[00:49:01] If you try to introduce people to battle on five

[00:49:03] Die hard star track battle star guys who you know are inspired by it will give it a chance

[00:49:07] But there's gonna be others are gonna be like that looks like an awful, you know capcom

[00:49:11] You know graphic or with soap opera acting. I can't get through it. So same deal here

[00:49:16] Like I see that premiere a year later on hbo and the dragon effects looked

[00:49:21] Terrible, they looked amazing in the theater, but a year later i'm looking at it. I'm like

[00:49:29] At least dragonheart

[00:49:31] Outdated itself slowly. I mean it's and and dragon slayer still looks good. Say what you want about the movie is it's like

[00:49:37] When you are looking but here's the other thing like

[00:49:41] In the original over the rings, I think why most people find it agreeable is the speeches are poignant and

[00:49:50] You're able to justify the long running time and then in the hobbit you're just like, uh

[00:49:55] Who is that character? Not explained unless you read the book

[00:49:58] And so it just felt very half-arsed and it should have been at most a three-hour movie at the very most

[00:50:04] Yeah, there's plenty of things you can do in free hours and yeah stuff that you want to get detailed

[00:50:11] I mean for god's sakes avengers endgame. Oh, it feels like 90 minutes

[00:50:17] Yeah, and I saw it twice i'm like I did not notice the free hour runtime i'm not kidding and like I gotta tell you

[00:50:22] I fell asleep and in game. No, it's fine, dude. I was at this I was at the theater

[00:50:26] We were we were my co-host john can't stand it and he's half and half on the other marvel movies. I love I love uh,

[00:50:32] Infinity war. Oh, yeah

[00:50:36] Except for that battle where everybody's there

[00:50:39] um

[00:50:40] Yeah, the rest of it. I was just like all right get to the big battle. Come on. Let's come on. Yeah, get to the battle

[00:50:46] I just all want to see

[00:50:48] It is wild house some people and those are good examples of people trying to duplicate

[00:50:52] The lord of the rings and matrix formula is like a bigger unstoppable army

[00:50:57] and

[00:50:59] unfortunately, I feel like most people

[00:51:01] they like to

[00:51:03] duplicate

[00:51:04] the good versus evil story, but they do just uh

[00:51:07] lazier star wars diehard one where again all the mercs are

[00:51:12] You know disposable can't distinguish them from one another unless it's a

[00:51:17] Former mma star wrestler in a brief role

[00:51:20] I watched I just watched I like watching movies that are like

[00:51:24] A lot of people pan them. Um

[00:51:27] It's a fun endurance test you're like it is

[00:51:30] I watch a lot of things on my second screen while i'm doing other stuff

[00:51:34] So I do that playing factorio while watching a bad movie on my second screen. There you go, man. Make it go faster

[00:51:42] Exactly time but the uh, what did I watch run hide fight?

[00:51:47] Have you heard of this one?

[00:51:48] Hide fight have you heard of this movie? Yes. Oh my god, it was diehard in a high school. Oh, yeah

[00:51:56] So insensitive and politically incorrect, but it was what it is

[00:52:01] But it was I was like, oh my gosh

[00:52:02] This is literally they just took diehard and made it happen in a school instead of a nakatomi plasma written by an inter-agai

[00:52:08] Oh my gosh, but it was uh

[00:52:11] It wasn't it wasn't a great movie and there's a whole lot of plot holes

[00:52:15] Oh, yeah, and if you look at the trivia without getting political it's very disturbing you're like good god they did that

[00:52:23] No permit

[00:52:24] I haven't uh, I haven't read any of the trivia. Like I find these movies. I'm like, yeah, this looks terrible. Let me watch it

[00:52:31] I've watched it is funny how really bad movies

[00:52:35] Oh, don't it and to an extent like

[00:52:39] Without the majors you can't get to the second or the third chapter of kiano reibs's resume

[00:52:44] Like he is doing this in constantine street kings and now john wick right?

[00:52:49] And he was bill and ted. I mean, you know, he's he did bill and ted again

[00:52:53] And yes people I people like me want him to come back and be jack trappen from speed one more time

[00:52:57] But even he's like nope not gonna not gonna play with that. Well

[00:53:02] Was there a speed three? There was a speed two but it too

[00:53:05] It did it too, right? It wasn't good and yeah, and I never saw speed two

[00:53:09] He was wise to avoid it and his what's funny is his real reason was the script is, you know

[00:53:16] Unbearable doesn't make any sense

[00:53:18] His cover story or the fox studio's cover story was he's currently touring with his band dog start

[00:53:26] Yeah, which is actually a fun kind of ska summer rock group but

[00:53:30] Uh, I I love how he's been so loyal to all his

[00:53:35] you know

[00:53:37] Creators like he'll do anniversary screenings with this film and crew

[00:53:41] He's still great friends with sonder bullock and karyann moss and

[00:53:45] From all accounts kiano reibs is just a great guy

[00:53:47] And it's just so annoying too because like kind of like viga mortensen. I mean you want to go lower the rings again like he is

[00:53:53] Like you say he is a human being first then he's an actor and he's on time knows his lines

[00:53:57] Say what you want about what are you like or don't like his acting? He's

[00:54:00] He's only as good as the movie and other times he's

[00:54:03] Only as good as what he's allowed to be, you know, and he's found out the hard way

[00:54:07] Okay, can't do accents, but I can do physical roles. I can do

[00:54:11] I can play the I can play a really really evil bad guy if you want me to but I can also do

[00:54:16] something else that's not just the surfer guy and just play it straight and

[00:54:20] It's so funny how I mean lorence fishburne was playing a ghost dog kind of guy and

[00:54:25] Those john wick movies, but uh, did you ever see a man of tai chi?

[00:54:30] No, I have not so

[00:54:32] one of the guys who kiyono fights in

[00:54:36] Reloaded during that awesome chateau fight against the mary bingians guys

[00:54:42] Well, the asian guy who he clonzed to death

[00:54:44] Yeah, the he's actually fought him the most he was like the one fighting them the most

[00:54:49] Yeah, he did like background stunts in like the other movies

[00:54:51] but yeah, that's like the only on screen like credited at role he does is playing the

[00:54:56] Uh

[00:54:58] And just an awesome awesome fight

[00:55:00] I just love the music and that how it's both electronic and a symphony

[00:55:04] But and this got me in a junior reactor and some of the other ones that made me realize wow

[00:55:08] And not every soundtrack has to be just chemical

[00:55:11] Right others in crystal method taking up the heat. But yeah, so he and tiger chan is his name

[00:55:18] He did a cool kind of

[00:55:21] Uh underground kind of fighting movie and kiyono both directed it and was the main lobster villain running those illegal tournaments

[00:55:28] So it was kind of a cool kind of throwback to hong kong cinema because they actually had a bunch of hong kong actors

[00:55:34] and it's like

[00:55:35] Uh, toms are trying to crack down on this and only the guy the guy, you know tiger chan is being the main guy

[00:55:40] He's like i'm gonna take down this underground fighting tournament from the inside, you know

[00:55:46] And

[00:55:47] It sounds like a great plot for a movie honestly any movie and

[00:55:51] The county was having it was playing it real straight as opposed to hamming it up or being dumb

[00:55:55] So it was really a fun

[00:55:57] laid back action movie and

[00:55:59] Uh, I just love and I think yeah, he's been in a few other things with them

[00:56:03] but I mean james mcteague who did second unit and assistant directing on star wars prequels and

[00:56:10] Uh and the matrix movies, you know has gone on to have a huge career with the wachowski's, you know

[00:56:16] like ninja assassin and

[00:56:18] Uh just other stuff and I think if anything and the visual effects artists are just some of the nicest guys

[00:56:24] And again don davis was scoring some other movies and shows on occasion

[00:56:28] But like his score is like unanimous with like the top, you know epic movie scores, you know

[00:56:34] and I mean he

[00:56:36] He did I think he this was another matrix knockoff movie that didn't start off as one

[00:56:40] But I have secretly kind of enjoyed on repeat viewings is ballistic x versus ever and don is literally doing a lot of the same

[00:56:46] Kind of he is echoing his matrix score while doing his own thing

[00:56:50] Oh, yeah

[00:56:51] it's

[00:56:52] Yeah, and it's another one

[00:56:54] It just seems like these kind of blockbusters have opened up the whole you can be a cool thinking man's movie

[00:57:00] and you can be convoluted also but

[00:57:03] Unfortunately again like we were talking before is most people are worried about the body count and whether it's pg-13 or r

[00:57:10] It's like right this can all work

[00:57:13] But it's most of it has to work. It can't just be how do I sell it?

[00:57:18] Exactly, you can't just have the one thing that you see for your jedi mind tricks and we see through the illusion if you will

[00:57:25] We didn't go see the the matrix because bullet time

[00:57:28] Maybe a few people did but like that's not why it blew up and everybody was like

[00:57:32] Oh man, you gotta go see this. You know, it wasn't that wasn't it. It was the

[00:57:36] everything

[00:57:37] altogether

[00:57:39] um

[00:57:40] It was it wasn't just the one

[00:57:43] camera trick, you know

[00:57:44] absolutely, uh, dude and

[00:57:47] Same deal like much like any knockoff. The reason people hate those ones is because they do it way worse. They

[00:57:54] You know at least every other terminator knockoff

[00:57:57] It often fell apart just because the scripts were bad, but at least they were using the same thing was just horrible

[00:58:02] Yeah

[00:58:03] But at least their effects were 100% because they would actually use some of the same

[00:58:08] guys, you know, like

[00:58:10] stan winston would always do a good job even if the material wasn't there because he liked

[00:58:14] giving the creatures persona regardless of how long they were on camera and

[00:58:20] But like you say it's hone and mood and production value and acting

[00:58:27] The matrix brought brought the I mean everything there had been plenty that had done the idea of oh

[00:58:33] Maybe reality is not real. You know, there's plenty of stories like that through the ages

[00:58:37] But the matrix kind of brought it to

[00:58:40] The masses. Yes a lot of people that was like, oh wow. I've never thought about that

[00:58:45] You know and because it got our heads out of our ass and I see people want to pick it apart now

[00:58:51] It's like why were critics clueless?

[00:58:54] It's like some of them were but some of them had legit scene

[00:58:58] You know, you can't tell me roger eber and peter travers hadn't seen every other arthouse movie whether it was john woo or

[00:59:05] Right a south korean film, but they were just this was good at just taking what had been done and then

[00:59:12] Putting in other stuff like the bringing putting enough

[00:59:16] And I hate to say it like this, but you know what i'm talking about

[00:59:19] I'm sure your listeners and viewers know what i'm talking about

[00:59:22] Uh bringing it to the dumb people

[00:59:25] Yes

[00:59:26] It's a desolation. But what does that even mean? You know, it's a utopia, but what kind of a utopia it's cool

[00:59:32] But why is it cool? You know, right? Yeah, you you know, you gotta have

[00:59:37] You know a hot chick and wearing tight leather

[00:59:40] And a bunch of really cool gunfight the underworld movies did those to dead

[00:59:44] but it

[00:59:45] But then you gotta put it out by a major studio with a bunch of ads, you know

[00:59:50] Because the only ads I saw for the matrix

[00:59:53] Had no scenes from the movies in it before I went and saw it was just like

[00:59:57] There's never been a movie made like this ever before

[01:00:00] That is true and I like that like you're trapped in the matrix

[01:00:04] Does that with every horror movie he does nowadays christopher nolan. Hello

[01:00:07] He's kind of done that post inception where I show nothing but a foley track and a distorted visual and

[01:00:14] Coming soon from christopher nolan. Wow

[01:00:17] Yeah, yeah, you do not get inception without this

[01:00:20] So this is another example of one thing can't exist without the other but it's way more approachable versus

[01:00:27] Like let's see that movie tarantino knocked off. I like that movie better or I hate that movie

[01:00:31] It's an awful drive-in, you know b picture, right?

[01:00:35] That's just gruesome without any critical merit

[01:00:38] And this was sometimes that's what I want though. Sometimes I just want to watch a gruesome movie with no

[01:00:42] Trust me. There are plenty of gorefes that are fun. I mean

[01:00:45] Oh, yeah, I I have fun when

[01:00:49] people come out with a weird

[01:00:51] Like horror comedy like

[01:00:53] Usually everyone goes instantly to making comparisons to like ghostbusters or gremlins

[01:00:57] I often get more of an allusion to other campy stuff like uh wish master kind of

[01:01:02] It's like see because they're doing a total throwback like they're doing easter egg. They're

[01:01:06] What and they're really having fun with the monkey spa tire?

[01:01:11] Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah

[01:01:13] it's also known as

[01:01:15] Rubber. Yeah rubber. Yes. That was it. Sorry. I feel like no it's fine a killer

[01:01:21] And it's a tire for my brain was just like that movie with the tire. What about cocaine bear same?

[01:01:27] Same circumstance everyone went wanted to see it because it's an outlandish idea much like shark nado is like

[01:01:35] It didn't matter

[01:01:37] Again, who was in it who it was by right? Sure. Thanks killing

[01:01:41] Thanks killing

[01:01:43] Three

[01:01:48] Oh, what was it called? I think smoking causes coughing

[01:01:52] Are you aware of this one? I am i'm not

[01:01:55] Okay, that is definitely something that you need to watch if you like weird cinema

[01:02:01] Oh my god

[01:02:03] I vigilantes are since a week long retreat after fighting a demon turtle

[01:02:09] Yes, these look like power ranger types it they are power the the premise of the movie is that they are essentially power rangers

[01:02:17] That their powers are all

[01:02:20] The the bad chemicals that are in cigarettes is by the director robert. Oh my god. Yes

[01:02:26] And they they can shoot

[01:02:28] Somebody with all of their powers and it gives them mega cancer instantly and they explode

[01:02:33] Uh, but they have to go on a week-long retreat for some reason

[01:02:39] And the movie the movie

[01:02:42] I don't know how I miss this you think it's gonna be

[01:02:45] But whatever you're thinking it's gonna be that's not it

[01:02:49] I promise you i'm cool with surprises, dude. I mean

[01:02:53] look at uh

[01:02:54] Psycho gore man that was another one kind of making fun of just outrageous like 80s movies and had a wacky synthwave score

[01:03:01] It's just like

[01:03:03] It's okay to be surprised and surprises can work great in the long run. I mean

[01:03:08] Yeah, I mean I see so many other movies that fell flat where the ad literally worked against the movie

[01:03:14] You know and yeah seems like now post deadpool. We are all about the trailer has to kick as much ass as the movie

[01:03:20] it can't be

[01:03:22] you know one of one of the big problems my wife and I have come across is that

[01:03:26] the trailer shows

[01:03:28] the movie

[01:03:30] Like it shows so much of the movie that doesn't have the kickass narration to see the movie

[01:03:37] I thought I saw it but really I just I was at an extended 20 minute, you know red band trailer

[01:03:42] Right. We saw a six minute long trailer the other day

[01:03:47] And i'm like and it it laid out the entire plot of the movie

[01:03:51] And there were so many scenes. I was like, I don't feel like I need to watch the movie now

[01:03:55] um

[01:03:57] And that i've seen quite a few trailers like that recently and it's kind of irritating

[01:04:03] Because i'm like, oh you could have just given me the premise and yeah, I mean

[01:04:07] We're now unfortunately to that point where sometimes even just summing it up for someone they feel you cannot intentionally spoil it like i've

[01:04:15] I got covid recently. I know four years in somehow

[01:04:18] I've I've I survived the matrix virus, but it got me finally, but um

[01:04:23] And

[01:04:25] and I was able to

[01:04:27] Sad thing was I didn't know I had it. I thought I was just sick

[01:04:30] It's the next thing you know 100 people are getting sick. So i'm feeling really angry at myself for letting my guard down

[01:04:35] But long story short, I catch up on all of barry

[01:04:40] The I haven't seen barry i'm aware of it and it's on my list without saying anything

[01:04:45] And then you don't hurt my feelings if you spoil it. So well I

[01:04:48] Trust me. I don't do spoilers just because unless

[01:04:51] It's one of those where I think the spoiler might actually make you want to see the movie just because

[01:04:56] but i'm not a guy who's like even stuck up on a plot twist like

[01:05:00] uh, sometimes

[01:05:01] Knowing the stuff that everyone has an issue with makes it even more fun on a rewatch

[01:05:05] Like I did that with bala star galactica. I'm like if you know who is a sillon it makes it more fun to kind

[01:05:09] Of look ahead of time at the foreshadowing but

[01:05:13] And the other hints they drop with barry. It's you know, it's a dark comedy. It's also a bit of an action crime show

[01:05:19] and

[01:05:20] It's really is one of the best things hbo has done in a while

[01:05:22] But some people were like, yeah, it's a hitman who becomes an actor that sounds familiar

[01:05:27] but

[01:05:28] Unfortunately, it's there's a reason it's on hbo. It's not your typical tv

[01:05:32] It's very it had to be a pain in the ass to market

[01:05:35] It's like it's not trying to be like tarantino think of more like american psycho or falling down

[01:05:40] but

[01:05:41] Again, like it really is its own formula. It's really hard to explain it and

[01:05:48] Why it works so well, we me and my co-hosts. We really struggled in our reviewers like

[01:05:53] this gels

[01:05:54] versus this other movies or shows that go downhill after a while just because

[01:05:59] They didn't know how to end their cool concept. They were worried about getting renewed

[01:06:02] And yeah the that the renewals and the I want to we want to keep this going as long as possible ruins

[01:06:08] So many things

[01:06:09] Uh, it's like when lost hit the end of their third season. They were like, well, there's only gonna be six seasons

[01:06:15] So we didn't get approved for all six and they're like only six and we were like they were like yeah

[01:06:19] That's for those who want to be anal. Oh, it was only this amount of seasons. That's fine

[01:06:24] The bigger picture is still this didn't work or that didn't work

[01:06:28] I I can't I went through a lot of the sopranos again recently. I can't do the final season. I still can

[01:06:33] I really i've never been through the sopranos

[01:06:37] Well, and that's the other thing is that annoys me is I see this with people who only watch like

[01:06:44] Who either still only watch basic stuff they watch all the cool doctor or hospital shows

[01:06:49] But and cop shows but then there's the other ones who only watch it if it's on one of the premium channels

[01:06:54] Because they know it'll be edgy

[01:06:55] And I think unfortunately, there are some people who are like, oh tv is not good unless it's you know breaking batter

[01:07:02] Sopranos i'm like false but then these other people are like if it's not on regular tv, it's not good. I'm like

[01:07:08] Bullshit there's plenty of awful stuff on regular tv that I will not watch good stuff

[01:07:13] On regular tv, there's good stuff on streaming

[01:07:16] Streaming you want to talk even movie distribution. There are plenty of fun directive video made for tv movies. It's just

[01:07:23] The ones that don't make use of their budget and don't have at least a cool badass like tim thomerson or rutger dower

[01:07:31] Making use of their characters

[01:07:35] Severance came out of nowhere

[01:07:37] And that's another one where everyone's having to make sense of their twisted reality and get it is almost

[01:07:45] It's so funny how in 99 there was a lot of awkward scenes at either a workplace and the matrix opens up with our

[01:07:51] Main hero is going to jump out the window

[01:07:53] Yeah

[01:07:54] That is we're like, what are we watching? Are we watching office space that i'm walking the wrong movie and

[01:08:00] Same kind of way with severance is like people are comfortable doing awkward workplace stuff

[01:08:04] That isn't a mockumentary anymore and it just seems like again. Yeah people are

[01:08:09] Open to that conversation, but don't get me wrong. It is hard. It's so so very I think you will like because

[01:08:16] Yeah, i've got it on my list. I've seen scenes from it and i'm like wow this looks like my kind of show

[01:08:20] I think love dark comedy and that sort of thing

[01:08:23] So well and because they make use of every episode there was only like one that I thought could easily blend into the other

[01:08:28] But there was still enough for it to stand on its own

[01:08:31] Where you could even show it in a film studies class and say analyze this scene for me what's working?

[01:08:36] What do you not care for? You know it

[01:08:39] because

[01:08:40] the

[01:08:41] severance is another example. This is like and I think a lot of people are just

[01:08:46] that

[01:08:47] The matrix was good to your earlier point at kind of making people want to come out of their shell and try something

[01:08:52] That hadn't been done but while mixing in other stuff that did work previously, you know an over-the-top

[01:08:58] villain cool, you know slow motion gun fights and kung fu and then

[01:09:03] Do other cool stuff that made its its own identity. So it's interesting here how people are

[01:09:11] I saw new amsterdam for instance. That was a cool

[01:09:14] Doctor show that wanted to be its own thing instead of be the billionth er saint elsewhere knockoff

[01:09:19] yeah, and bosh has a bunch of viewership because it's

[01:09:24] Very unusual mixture of procedural cold case

[01:09:28] serial killers and

[01:09:31] Even some other cool action mystery, but that's not easy to do when you're in a post, you know homicide law and order

[01:09:37] You know my pd blue csi world procedural dramas to me. I I just can't even I can't do them anymore

[01:09:43] I've seen I can't blame you dude. There are so many bad ones

[01:09:46] There are many that were so cool back in the day and then you watch them

[01:09:49] You're like god there's a lot of propaganda another shit in here or it was cool

[01:09:54] But then the hero acted like an idiot. So I lost all believability

[01:09:58] You don't deserve to catch the bad guy when series run for too long you run into the office problem where so still

[01:10:05] everybody

[01:10:06] every character in the show becomes a caricature

[01:10:10] Of and to your earlier hoppet point, you can't tell them apart right hear them with your eyes closed

[01:10:17] You will think all those

[01:10:19] CSI techs and arresting officers are one in the same because nobody has their own voice. They don't have their own voice

[01:10:26] They don't have a persona

[01:10:27] And I get it. It is hard, especially when actors say i've given all I can give as a performer

[01:10:34] I want to move on to the next thing, you know, the money was good, but I don't i'm bored

[01:10:38] You know unsettled. Yeah, you know, I don't a lot of actors will tell you

[01:10:41] It's like yeah

[01:10:42] I did the sixth season of that show because I wanted to buy a house in malibu

[01:10:45] You know, they really well it is easy money for the murder she wrote crowd, but it wasn't funny

[01:10:50] So they wanted to mess with it. It wasn't cute anymore and

[01:10:54] It can get really boring if people are giving you very

[01:10:57] Dumb dialogue for as i'm arresting someone and if you know, it's going to end the same way. It's

[01:11:03] The criminal minds guys struggled with that because they they survived a lot of interference

[01:11:08] And then after a while everyone was like let's step in we'll direct an episode you suck

[01:11:12] You're out of here

[01:11:14] And so it just seems like that has to happen eventually too people got to own their material and say

[01:11:19] I will be here as long as you're using me

[01:11:23] If I become a featured extra i'm gone, baby

[01:11:26] Yeah

[01:11:27] yeah

[01:11:28] If i'm doing nothing but just saying one wise ass crack in the last 10 minutes. That's garbage use of my talent

[01:11:36] Well, if if you just put it into your contract and be like if i'm only going to have two lines in each show

[01:11:41] We're gonna record all of my lines for the season in one day

[01:11:45] Bingo, that's what I would do. I'm gonna get

[01:11:48] Oh, did you ever see that wired magazine article that talked about people who had

[01:11:53] Got in pay raises for the longest time. I thought it was just like charlie sheen and keifer sutherland getting a lot of

[01:11:59] You know

[01:12:00] X amount of money per episode but then you know james gandolfini on the sprenos

[01:12:03] But then I look at the other stuff and it's like whoa

[01:12:07] Jeffrey donovan got 10 million per episode of shut eye for hulu. Whoa

[01:12:12] Yeah, haven't cost me getting 30 million per episode of yellowstone. What the fuck?

[01:12:17] Yep, it's crazy amount of money. How is that legal?

[01:12:21] You know if if the person who's writing the check feels like that person will bring that much money or more to the project

[01:12:29] Yes, they can and they can justify it

[01:12:33] So that means it just comes down to a numbers game. Yes

[01:12:36] Tell me about it

[01:12:38] um fun fact, um

[01:12:41] You know we were talking about characters that you can't switch around. I like how every other person is at least

[01:12:46] Got similar personas, but they're kind of their own kind of

[01:12:50] Person who lets their guard down if you will

[01:12:52] Like I like how you know, you got cipher, you know, joe pentoliano's trader, you know, right?

[01:12:58] There's always got to be a bore. He did great in that role also. He was absolutely that was

[01:13:02] Probably the first movie I saw him in I think I knew about him. I just you know, I was too young to watch

[01:13:08] a lot of the movies he was in but

[01:13:10] Yeah, I mean

[01:13:11] Uh, and it's so funny how that you got to have a boar mirror of the fellowship, you know

[01:13:16] You gotta have someone who

[01:13:18] He gets greedy and betrayed

[01:13:20] I'm mcbeth easy way to add an extra layer of conflict at any point in the story

[01:13:25] We're like you've got a conflict

[01:13:27] But you need you need to up the stakes just a little bit more and have

[01:13:31] Something else for the audience to look at yes

[01:13:34] You can add that just a little extra drama by having somebody on the team who's not 100% on board

[01:13:39] This is why i'm a spy movie mega fan. I gotta have my trader

[01:13:42] And I gotta have if I know why they're gonna do this. I want to still be

[01:13:47] Have someone or surprise as to why they

[01:13:50] Gave it all up

[01:13:51] You know what? What was it besides a woman and money and a bribe? You know, what was it?

[01:13:56] What else is there i'm gonna i'm gonna defect

[01:14:00] Deflect no, yeah, I can't

[01:14:03] Cannot speak today. I'm gonna defect from the kgb or the cia just because of this and that um

[01:14:09] And it's not gonna be a last-minute plot twist. It's gonna be a whole, you know movie series or build up

[01:14:14] Yeah a whole season and you'll never forget way for a writer to

[01:14:19] double the stakes

[01:14:20] yes

[01:14:21] while also having it possible to

[01:14:24] To solve that problem quickly

[01:14:27] With you know, somebody catching on to it and kicking them in the neck, you know

[01:14:31] It's

[01:14:33] This guy's like a worm

[01:14:35] Yeah, because I mean then they had ian liss's character bane. Who's also you know

[01:14:41] Yeah, we talked about the oracle. He's also basically the

[01:14:46] Real world agent smith in a way like he has been infected by him in the matrix

[01:14:50] By him in the matrix so smith is trying to get to him in the real world. That was cool for me

[01:14:54] Is like and see he's killing every like cipher

[01:14:57] He's killing everybody on the ship. Yeah, neo sees fruit. It was like hold on a damn minute

[01:15:03] He's supposed to be guarding us as we're getting jacked in here

[01:15:06] right

[01:15:07] And he did the uh, the eyeball gouge with the electricity

[01:15:11] Yes, it's completely erased in the fourth month. That was that's just it. There are some very cool

[01:15:17] It's not just the billionth like

[01:15:20] I mean

[01:15:21] You see it in john wood too how there's a hallway of mirrors allusion to like enter the dragon. They did some very cool

[01:15:27] Well thought out fights is like what happens if he loses this he'll use that

[01:15:30] You know, it's not just jason borne where he makes the entire environment his weapon. He has to you know

[01:15:36] He's blind now, but he senses you he sees through the coating still

[01:15:42] Older movies and tv shows and books and stuff

[01:15:45] A trend I have seen in more recently written fiction

[01:15:51] is the

[01:15:52] protagonist

[01:15:54] Not having enough struggle

[01:15:56] Yes. Oh my god, like if look look at diehard

[01:16:01] Nothing goes right for for john mcclain, right?

[01:16:04] Every single day bulldozes through it and he pushes through the force of will and determination and courage

[01:16:11] He pushes through

[01:16:12] Um older movies tend to do that a little the matrix movies

[01:16:16] They are constantly getting the stakes are getting raised. The stakes are getting they're getting more and more

[01:16:21] Conflict more and more problems and I feel like there was enough conflict in movie four because it was so busy

[01:16:27] There's so busy and everything was barely an inconvenience

[01:16:31] Yes, they're like let's make fun of this scene from you know, avengers and like well

[01:16:37] I don't even like that scene from avengers right in front of it. It will be you dude be you

[01:16:44] I don't remember

[01:16:45] I just watched the movie like i've literally just finished watching it was pretty forgettable

[01:16:49] But I had to read an article like after the fact that they were showing okay

[01:16:52] This is a solution to that and make fun of that

[01:16:54] But again, I don't remember it wasn't worth digging through unlike the other movies where if you dug through it, you're like see

[01:17:01] Who else could do that?

[01:17:03] Right, that's their signature that's their style

[01:17:07] having having just watched I don't remember a scene in the movie where there was like

[01:17:12] Things got worse for them and it wasn't easily fixed

[01:17:16] Like I don't know. I can't think of like where where something equivalent of him losing his sight

[01:17:22] Like physically losing his sight where he won't get it back

[01:17:26] Or yes, you know, there was very little

[01:17:30] Bad stuff happened to the main characters very little

[01:17:34] Other than emotional stuff between them. Absolutely, and even that wasn't that big of a deal if you really look at it

[01:17:40] so yeah, so many buddy movie franchises have gone downhill because

[01:17:45] They don't have enough stakes and it really is too reliant on the charisma between the leads

[01:17:50] And if the jokes suck then you see through the bullet stripping plot or like

[01:17:55] I'm looking forward

[01:17:57] To just the next fight scene because i'm not and yet not engaged, you know in the next fight scene

[01:18:04] They're still gonna get out one of them is gonna get a little graze on their shoulder from a bullet

[01:18:08] Then you know, nobody's gonna get shot in the gut and have to get dragged for the rest of the movie

[01:18:11] That's true. I would applaud anybody movie who wants to go that far

[01:18:15] Let's have a cool villain and then let's have the hero who we think is going to be a badass

[01:18:20] Hit like almost pulverized like just right lose a leg walk on glass barefoot and then like the rest

[01:18:28] He has to contend with that, you know, so just have something instead of just overcome stuff is my thing

[01:18:35] Totally and don't have the stunt be just too much, you know, like even rambo movies will do it too far to where you're like

[01:18:41] Oh stop

[01:18:43] Yeah

[01:18:44] That was the last one he did. I was just each of the diehard

[01:18:48] Go ahead and I only count the first three

[01:18:51] That's fine

[01:18:52] The fourth one was trying too hard to be like

[01:18:55] The fourth the fourth diehard movie was the fifth element. There you go

[01:18:59] but

[01:19:01] Mercury rising you could probably count as one two

[01:19:03] Yeah

[01:19:05] There's one scene in each of those that you're like, oh come on like I was with you up until this point

[01:19:10] Um the first one obviously it's I mean that's what speed did so well was right roger ebert said in his review

[01:19:16] And I use this for my movie make the plot go so fast where I don't have time to

[01:19:22] Not accept the plot holes

[01:19:24] Exactly like the jumping the uh, if it took me ten viewings to reject you you did your job

[01:19:30] Yeah, everything's gonna get dated eventually

[01:19:32] Like I will even see a scene from a movie like people love to make fun of the bus jump and speed

[01:19:37] But like i'm even rewatching parts of the real regional drastic park and you're like

[01:19:41] Hmm when the characters turn this way, how do they not see the raptor?

[01:19:44] But see it only took me 10 billion viewings to notice that oh the one that gets me in jurassic park

[01:19:50] Here's the one that gets me. All right, go for it

[01:19:54] You got the goat

[01:19:55] That's supposed to be feeding the t-rex, right? Oh, yeah, and it's right on the other side of the fence into the

[01:20:03] And it's at ground level right yeah, am I wrong and then correct when the car goes over the edge

[01:20:11] Into the rat into the t-rex pin it falls

[01:20:15] In the same spot where the goat was just standing at uh at ground level never thought of that. Let's see. There you go

[01:20:20] I had to see it multiple times always bothered me even the first time I watched it. I was like, wait a minute

[01:20:26] Well, how are they falling?

[01:20:27] And this is where it gets very trivial with certain movies because like some of them

[01:20:31] The only thing that bothered me

[01:20:32] I had an issue with they would there will be blood when I first saw it because it's like

[01:20:36] I want to see more of all these other guys this guy's in fact

[01:20:39] Impacting but oh, that's not the movie. We're only seeing the main guys

[01:20:43] But so this is where it gets really annoying too

[01:20:46] when you got to

[01:20:47] Because audiences will often just reject a movie saying that's not what I want and even more in a snobby trailer world

[01:20:52] but then there's other ones where it's like

[01:20:54] I see what the filmmaker is going for. I would have preferred they go with this because it's not

[01:20:58] I I have

[01:21:00] demolished a bunch of recent westerns lately just because i'm like

[01:21:04] The villain's just bad because he's bad. I hate that. I want to know why

[01:21:08] Did he was that were they in a love triangle?

[01:21:11] Was he was his land taken from him? Is he a disgruntled confederate?

[01:21:15] Why is he a shithead raping and pillaging a village in the lone?

[01:21:19] Sheriff for cowboy has to come out of retirement and save his town. I want to know

[01:21:23] Right, I need to know why the bad guy's doing what he's doing. Why you know, they're a good actor

[01:21:27] I know this is well shot

[01:21:29] That's not enough for me anymore and same thing with the matrix knockoffs, you know if john wick wasn't so

[01:21:36] Tarantino ish with its dark comedy

[01:21:38] I think everyone would have rejected it with despite all the great fight scenes

[01:21:41] They would have been like even people who don't care for those kinds of movies have seen them with me

[01:21:45] I like

[01:21:46] I like those kinds of I did not think john wick lived up to the hype because I the first first watch of john wick

[01:21:52] Was probably three months ago. I never that's fine, dude

[01:21:55] And I was like I i'd just put it off and put it off every time I wanted to watch a movie

[01:22:00] I was like I could watch john. I want to watch this other one more, you know

[01:22:03] But I was like the other thing I noticed too is I see you rabid fans

[01:22:07] It's like this is the best thing like but you haven't seen the other things the rest of the year

[01:22:11] I guess I guess that's the thing. Maybe I was just seeing a lot of really good action movies

[01:22:17] And I was like this was an action movie and it was it was no

[01:22:20] I'm agreeing with you. I see a lot of people who act like that's the only one and there's no competition and like

[01:22:25] We got to talk there's now yeah, let me always pull up a notepad and get a list for you

[01:22:30] I love equalizer. I love the first taken. I there's plenty of other ones. This is like, you know

[01:22:35] and I see people doing it with the new james bond of mission impossibles and like

[01:22:39] those were some cool stunts but

[01:22:42] Are you going to talk about the rest of the movie? Probably not no

[01:22:46] No, and I see others who will defend it. I'm like, well hold on a minute. You weren't cool with it here

[01:22:51] What's different here? And I do this on some other shows

[01:22:54] I guess done they will tear so many movies apart

[01:22:57] But be okay with it if it's a fast and furious movie like well, hold on

[01:23:02] You're okay with it there

[01:23:05] One day I have seen one fast enough furious movie. Okay. I've seen number two, right?

[01:23:11] It was you should have seen us when we did our ranking of it

[01:23:14] The more absurd it got the more fun it was for other people

[01:23:17] But we found ourselves the worst it got the more we talked about so maybe it is good

[01:23:23] It's not good, but it's interesting right that it is my daughter and I are going to watch the entire series

[01:23:29] Oh god like a reaction video to each movie. I'll make sure there's no drinks

[01:23:34] Taken because you'll you'll have too many sips. Yeah

[01:23:38] Well, she's 14. So she okay

[01:23:41] Get drink anyway

[01:23:43] No, that's fine. I just I it is wild though. It's like why is there so much inconsistency?

[01:23:49] Why is that I've heard that it gets really ridiculous by the like maybe five or six

[01:23:55] They're essentially superheroes

[01:23:58] And it's so weird how the fandom kind of became bigger than the actual product like universal didn't know how good they had it

[01:24:04] so they just played to it and

[01:24:07] And Vin Diesel pissed off a few directors. So now they got new directors

[01:24:11] This is like man as like I can't think of any other franchise that is take

[01:24:15] I think the only thing I could compare it to is probably friday the 13th where

[01:24:20] They didn't know how good they had it then the community spoke up. So then they kind of became unofficial party movies

[01:24:27] Yeah, right if that makes sense. It's the same kind of deal. It's like

[01:24:31] What?

[01:24:32] It came that big and

[01:24:34] To where now even people who aren't fans even they get it because they'll see a meme about it or people

[01:24:41] People will now stand up and go family and they're like, oh I see what you're referencing there

[01:24:46] I know what you're referencing. I haven't seen the movies, but I know what I haven't seen it

[01:24:49] But I mean the site the tv show psych was good about that where they would make a reference

[01:24:53] I would bust out loud laughing. I hadn't even seen the movie. They're making fun of but I knew instantly

[01:24:58] I have heard about that. That's funny. I know that one thing. I understood that reference, but not really

[01:25:05] All the was like you really will get it you just you've heard enough about it like it's not

[01:25:11] It's not on in a pro unapproachable, but don't be wrong. It is not easy to do that. I will see plenty of

[01:25:17] I mean there's plenty of sketch shows. I don't watch anymore just because they will

[01:25:21] Just really just go too long. I'm like what?

[01:25:25] Yeah, yeah, what's funny about reference is my daughter

[01:25:29] Um, we're starting to introduce her to the movies that we watched growing up now

[01:25:34] So much fun or she can watch pd-13 and stuff now. So there you go. We've opened up a whole world of movies

[01:25:40] And it's so funny. We just watched raising arizona recently. Oh my word my favorite movie

[01:25:46] Right. There's so many great quotes in that movie

[01:25:49] That my wife and I say all the time right we quote that movie you can use it anywhere

[01:25:54] Yeah, you can and

[01:25:57] Every time one of the quotes that we say all the time would come up my daughter would be like I see what you do

[01:26:02] It's like that's the thing you always say

[01:26:05] Now you're just quoting ferris bule or a bryford school now you're quoting

[01:26:09] Yeah, that's all I do is quote movies and tv shows. That's all I do

[01:26:13] And like it's so funny watching her realize that this thing i'm quoting came out in 1986

[01:26:18] Yeah

[01:26:20] older than dirt is like oh now you're referencing rain man now you're referencing

[01:26:24] Classic war movie like pat and it is funny how

[01:26:27] And matrix was another one where it's just like there are so many quotes in this fucking thing. Like I would see people

[01:26:34] I think smith says and I think either reloaded revolution is like now there's more than two of me or something like that and

[01:26:41] I've seen memes of that and but I mean just the first one alone is like when they walk into that

[01:26:46] lobby when they're breaking into the

[01:26:48] Cyber system again, they go guns

[01:26:51] Lots of guns gamers will quote that to this very day

[01:26:56] Like I know who you are. I see what you did there. It is almost like a star trek thing where it's like

[01:27:02] Someone will just say I hope i'm not a red shirt and you're like

[01:27:06] Everyone else even people don't want to like oh those are the guys who die

[01:27:09] That's right. Yeah, so you're a trope based humor and

[01:27:13] I mean you don't have to have seen things to like and it's funny i'll

[01:27:16] I'll

[01:27:17] Show her a movie and it's not even something that I say she just has seen memes online

[01:27:23] And she'll be like that's where that meme came from and i'm like, yep. Yes

[01:27:27] All these memes is like that

[01:27:30] It has ruined the internet for people. So I i'm tired of people complaining. Oh, this is going to be outdated

[01:27:37] It doesn't work anymore. It's like well make it work

[01:27:39] Explain be you're the film buff. So be the film history book for one day

[01:27:46] I do this when introducing people to a cult tv show like I

[01:27:50] the hardest one to do for me is still mystery science theater like

[01:27:54] That is ovira meets muppets. That's the best way to explain that show a janitor and two robots are trapped in space forced to watch bad movies

[01:28:02] Right, that is the premise to watch the bad movie with them. That's the beauty of that

[01:28:05] That is the beauty but most people will over explain it and i've done it many a time people

[01:28:10] Are zoned out by the second sentence. You didn't grab their attention. You confuse them

[01:28:14] They're not going to check this out when the conversation ends. So you gotta grab it and

[01:28:19] Yeah, the way I explain that is uh

[01:28:23] It's

[01:28:24] Very very funny people watching bad movies and cracking wise while doing it. There you go. That's that's it. That's all it is

[01:28:31] simple

[01:28:34] Oh man, we used to watch the the original mst 3k the movie

[01:28:39] This island is such a great one

[01:28:42] It's the same kind of dill the trailers would get you and then you watch and you're like that really is there's a lot of layering

[01:28:47] to this comedy there's a

[01:28:49] Sex and a restroom joke, but then there's all these other pop culture jokes and other just

[01:28:53] Honest reactions where they're like is this over yet? No

[01:28:57] Right and the are you boys in there building an interocitor? No, you know

[01:29:02] Yes, the joking around how we're going to escape. Oh, we can't

[01:29:06] So good our skate pod's not working. We can't escape and you know their hit or miss

[01:29:11] There's some episodes about absolutely there are ones where hey your humor was funny, but the movie was just

[01:29:17] Yeah, right too much

[01:29:20] Exactly. But

[01:29:22] Kudos to

[01:29:23] Most of this matrix I see so many who will refuse to watch the sequels and I get it

[01:29:27] But at least everyone can agree on the first one. This is like

[01:29:32] Uh, very rarely will I see people who are like I never cared for that and usually it's

[01:29:37] Ones who just didn't like any of the actors or just don't like sci-fi action films. So I don't know

[01:29:43] I see a

[01:29:45] People that i've talked to about it a lot of them

[01:29:49] Just they're like, you know what when there was 50 or 70 smiths fighting him on that route inviting him in that uh

[01:29:55] That playground or whatever. That's when they lost me

[01:29:58] Or the conversation with the architect

[01:30:01] A lot of people just kind of gave up after the conversation with the architect. That makes sense

[01:30:06] Um, they're like, eh

[01:30:08] This is too much but it is weird you want to talk contrarian

[01:30:11] It's like why were you okay with the original oracle where morpheus explaining it, but you weren't okay with the architect

[01:30:17] Yeah, he got very

[01:30:21] Like and you know the the program that creates the matrix would be like that

[01:30:25] But and that was everywhere all the time remember they made fun of the ntv movie awards

[01:30:30] It's just like with will ferrell and you're like what's going on there?

[01:30:33] I thought it was a great scene. Absolutely. He's just a polished

[01:30:40] Guy wearing all white elderly gentleman being honest. He's like i'm not here to be your uh, you know

[01:30:47] Uh villain but yeah, i'm

[01:30:51] You do this thing or this thing and this is gonna happen and boom he was right

[01:30:56] That's the other thing too is like

[01:30:58] They got criticized for taking stuff from other comic books

[01:31:02] But then all the comic book writers who were glad that they got acknowledged

[01:31:07] And being ripped off hated where they went and like well, see that's how they stand out. They they had their own vision

[01:31:12] they just

[01:31:14] Like tarantino they took what they loved and put it in a blender

[01:31:17] Right, right

[01:31:19] Tarantino man, you can you can just grab his like work and be like, oh yeah

[01:31:22] This is exactly from here

[01:31:24] And this is in fact

[01:31:25] I don't think this deserved a happy ending because I think because like the firmator the thing was always so bleak so sad

[01:31:31] So I was just like

[01:31:33] I'm cool with really whatever happens that they thought this through they didn't just make it up movie by movie

[01:31:40] Yeah, it was thought through. Um until you know, the the most recent one the 20 yeah that that one

[01:31:46] Uh, and it really did puzzle me

[01:31:48] I saw some people on vague occasions say defending it and I saw other people just tearing apart and i'm just like I

[01:31:55] It doesn't mean anything to me. I can't I can't it is so it was so meh

[01:31:59] Yeah, it almost felt like fan fiction

[01:32:03] it was fan fiction mixed with like, uh

[01:32:07] Like go to your favorite theme park ride

[01:32:09] but they decided to update it with a few more things and there's still glitches in it and you're like

[01:32:14] Yeah, and right. This is what goes back to movies to begin with where

[01:32:19] Where your what's what mood you're in when you watch it versus how much money you're spending in this case

[01:32:24] If you're still getting that and those aren't even a factor, you know someone's up and it's like

[01:32:29] Right. Yeah, none of that was a factor

[01:32:31] I get so booed all the time because I come out of a superhero movie and i'm don't get me wrong

[01:32:35] I don't troll people. I don't go boo, but I

[01:32:39] I just will be very unimpressed and it's kind of like

[01:32:42] I'm one of those i'm okay with the ejection button

[01:32:45] I do this all the time when i'm showing a comedy to someone and the room is dead silent and i'm like

[01:32:49] We can watch something else guys. This isn't tickling you

[01:32:52] Yeah, they'll want to suffer through it. I'm like no i'm i'm not here to torture you

[01:32:56] And there's no there's no but it's pretty impossible to do that when you're in the actual theater

[01:33:01] All you got is just i'm gonna walk out, you know, and I can't go to sleep

[01:33:05] I don't I don't like to be the guy asshole who's snoring and I I find it impossible to go to sleep to a movie

[01:33:10] Unless it's like four in the morning, but well, it's really short

[01:33:13] Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead

[01:33:15] I just I just find plots very predictable and just too convenient and I hate how people will

[01:33:22] Tear another movie apart, but then do the whole well this happened in this comic book. I'm like no no no

[01:33:29] Yeah, we're not talking about that medium. It can a lot of things can work in a comic or a book

[01:33:35] Or even a internet web series or a tv show that don't work as a movie

[01:33:40] Exactly use the other medium to defend this thing. It's got to stand on its own two feet and right now

[01:33:47] like

[01:33:47] There are parts of the other guardians of the galaxy movies you were talking about marvel earlier

[01:33:52] That don't appeal to me because they're just they just remind me of better movies like the filament where i'm just like

[01:33:58] But I came around to the first one at least where i'm like, yeah, that's i'm i'm getting it

[01:34:03] The superhero movies had they've just all become so formulaic

[01:34:07] but as so many people will deny it they're like no no, it's fine and

[01:34:11] robocop and uh

[01:34:13] Matrix were kind of and even unbreakable. We're kind of the start of let's make our own superheroes that don't have a previous, you know

[01:34:20] They built on capacity their their own they weren't even trying to be a franchise. They were just trying to be good

[01:34:27] And then they got too good so speaking uh invincible

[01:34:31] Yes, you watched invincible. Okay. Yeah, it's by the guys who did the boys and it's

[01:34:36] Well, it's uh, it's robert kirkman. Um, and there was a recently the walking dead

[01:34:41] But yeah, it's much like the boys where it makes fun. It's much like the boys. Yes. It has it has very similar

[01:34:47] um

[01:34:47] but invincible

[01:34:49] Robert kirkman was on

[01:34:51] I think twitter and said

[01:34:55] Yeah

[01:34:56] Um, what's the main guys omni man? Omni man is much stronger than superman and could beat him in a fight

[01:35:03] And i'm like

[01:35:04] Why is this even a discussion because you're the writer?

[01:35:08] for omni man

[01:35:10] So you can literally

[01:35:12] Say that and it becomes true because these are fictional things. That's true, too

[01:35:17] There's a lot of too clever for their own good is like I will see people walk into that trap every time

[01:35:23] Where it's like whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Did you actually read what this idiot is saying to you?

[01:35:27] Why are you giving them the generic answer?

[01:35:29] You know and it is hard to believe it is like sometimes they'll kiss their fans ass. Sometimes they'll get in disputes

[01:35:36] It's like well, it's all for publicity

[01:35:38] Yeah, it is

[01:35:39] It's just like however you write it. You can say whatever you want

[01:35:43] You can say I can destroy a planet by just looking at it. Yeah, right

[01:35:47] Oh, you could literally put a superman stand in your stuff

[01:35:51] You don't have to wait

[01:35:53] How are you arguing with this guy? He created that

[01:35:58] Get it

[01:36:01] I don't get it. I never understood why people will fall for the simplest tricks. It's just like

[01:36:06] You don't have to go there. I okay. Well here i'm saying it right now

[01:36:11] on your show

[01:36:12] exclusive

[01:36:14] my

[01:36:16] hexagon man

[01:36:17] Hexagon man is absolutely 100 percent stronger than omni-man

[01:36:22] There you go. I'm in a fight boom. There you go. Boom and it's 100 true

[01:36:28] Nobody can believe it. It could blow up the death star just by taking a wrong turn at albuquerque

[01:36:33] He can think think about omni-man and he will be disassembled on a molecular level

[01:36:38] That's it. He wins. He wins the fight

[01:36:41] I love it and i'm the creator of hexagon man. So there you go

[01:36:46] Boom no arguing

[01:36:49] That's that's a good point, dude. I see

[01:36:53] Uh and

[01:36:54] A lot of people will just I don't know. It's like irony is dead to them

[01:36:57] Sometimes they will take their creations too far

[01:37:01] I mean that's kind of what we were kind of implying with the fourth matrix is it's like some people were kind of

[01:37:06] Stoked for it because kind of like all the other stuff that was returning like ghostbusters and star wars are like, oh let's go

[01:37:11] It's like well

[01:37:13] I don't know man. It doesn't need it

[01:37:17] It didn't and they even said that in the movie

[01:37:20] Because what I know more it was made by smart people and yet they did

[01:37:25] It was like a daily show skit by people who should know better. It's like really

[01:37:29] Yeah

[01:37:29] It would be like if john stewart came out to you and did this joke

[01:37:32] And then he catered to the lowest common denominator and put in some restroom humor. It's like well, the skit was already funny

[01:37:38] Why did you go there?

[01:37:39] In the last minute was that just a suggestion by comedy central? Well, why did you put that in there? You know

[01:37:46] The fourth the four the more i'm thinking about like and like I said, I literally right before I came out to my studio

[01:37:51] I finished watching the movie

[01:37:54] Oh, you're fine

[01:37:56] I was finishing up. I've never seen it and

[01:37:58] The more I think about it as i'm walking out to the studio i'm like

[01:38:02] It felt like a middle-aged person's fantasy of going back to the glory days

[01:38:08] Is what it kind of felt like

[01:38:10] plot wise like just the idea that they made it

[01:38:15] And it I don't know just kind of what it what it felt like to me because that was kind of trinity's

[01:38:19] Storyline in the movie. Yeah, like she slowly was like, oh man

[01:38:25] Yeah, I didn't go back to the glory days and give my old boyfriend, you know

[01:38:30] That's what it became

[01:38:32] That's like you said it's fan fiction, but it's not good fan fiction, right? But it's by the original people

[01:38:38] I'm like whatever whatever we talked about this with hobbit too is like originally it wasn't peter jackson

[01:38:43] But even he came back and was like kind of carefree is like let's just have fun and like well

[01:38:47] This kind of isn't fun. This is

[01:38:50] It's slogged. I

[01:38:53] I got nothing good to say about the hobbit movies. I got nothing either

[01:38:58] and trust me I

[01:38:59] I got plenty of defensive answers by cousins who were raised on the works of Tolkien i'm like

[01:39:07] Listen to yourself. This isn't needed

[01:39:10] No

[01:39:11] And everyone likes to get over defensive. Oh

[01:39:14] You liked that you hated that you know

[01:39:17] It is always amazing is like and you will always get the person saying i'm open-minded I can handle it

[01:39:22] I'm like, well clearly you can't handle it. You are losing your temper over

[01:39:27] I mean movies by default are bullshit

[01:39:30] It's all about what sticks

[01:39:32] You know if it causes a stink that's a different kind of right?

[01:39:38] I got to just buy what's on screen or have if it's not if I don't think it's good, you know

[01:39:44] To pull a roger ebert they could still be entertaining

[01:39:46] It's gonna be a seven out of ten and just say I liked it. It's fun for the genre. It's just not

[01:39:52] A-list material, you know, it's got a list brew involved with it, you know, but that's is it. I feel like

[01:39:58] We talked about mst for k earlier. I think a lot of people are even losing the whole so bad. It's good

[01:40:04] Mentality you'll see it with some people where they'll dare each other to go to a sony superhero movie like morbius or madame web

[01:40:11] Or venom and say you see how long you can last. Oh, wow again sony's not

[01:40:16] Understanding it either. They're like, hey, let's make more they went to it. I'm like, oh

[01:40:20] It's like cats where people dared each other to go see it

[01:40:23] They didn't think it was going to be good, but they went anyway. It's like, oh see

[01:40:27] The problem is that you're if you're if you're hate watching something

[01:40:33] If you're paying money to hate watch something you're uh, you're taking note so

[01:40:38] And that's I took hasbro a while to learn

[01:40:41] All of these every social media company should have a toggle on every post every video every everything

[01:40:49] Yes, and say i'm hate watching this

[01:40:52] um, or

[01:40:53] Don't count this in my algo, please. There you go

[01:40:57] Because I will my daughter will will mention a artist and i'll look it up on spotify

[01:41:03] And it's terrible. I will always use the thumbs down option on hulu

[01:41:08] It gets stuck in my algo or like more suggested like this you're like no

[01:41:14] And then like okay one night, uh, we were on a vacation rhythms

[01:41:17] Yeah, one night we were on vacation. We didn't bring our uh, noise maker machine

[01:41:23] Forgot to bring it and oh man, it's tough to go to sleep without that thing once you're used to it

[01:41:27] We've been sleeping for years, you know, oh trust me i'm using uh omnipen which

[01:41:33] Is using brain waves because my other devices I was using were letting me down the tooth

[01:41:38] Errors were happening in the middle of the night. Not not a good thing, but this thing was good at alarm clock that makes noise

[01:41:45] You need an alarm clock a phone is not enough if your phone dies and you still don't have an alarm clock

[01:41:50] I mean i'm now getting more watches because i'm realizing at this time in my life as a supervisor at my job

[01:41:56] I do actually value my time on my off days

[01:41:58] Yeah, so I gotta stop letting time kick my ass exactly get yourself a schedule schedule yourself downtime

[01:42:05] That's extremely important schedule. You're lovely. I need four hours. I have no responsibility

[01:42:10] Yes, nothing. I need and you know what that time to go to the restroom eat dinner or shower

[01:42:16] That four hours is my no, that's my goofing off video games and not feel guilty. So there you go

[01:42:21] Yeah

[01:42:22] Like I need more time like that too

[01:42:24] But you put it on your schedule and don't let anybody interrupt you or take that time away from you

[01:42:28] Yes, be a happier person. Um, once I started scheduling and actually putting it on my calendar so nobody can

[01:42:35] Schedule a meeting with me at that time. Yeah, there you go. Once you do that

[01:42:39] While you're doing it, you don't feel guilty because you're like this is what i'm supposed to be doing right now

[01:42:45] Is bingo relaxing it reads then fine print everyone's signed here

[01:42:49] There is no

[01:42:50] Feeling guilty like I like I should be doing this or I should know i'm supposed to be doing this right now

[01:42:55] Because it's on my schedule

[01:42:57] That makes makes you a happier person. Absolutely

[01:43:00] I've lost track of what we were talking about with the matrix. Oh, we were just tired

[01:43:04] well, if anything the matrix is in us every day we

[01:43:08] We never look at the alarm clocks the same way either where we just see

[01:43:12] It's like are we living in the real world? Yes, i'm living in the real world

[01:43:15] But see it's so funny. I will every once in a while have a weird dream

[01:43:19] And i'm like am I looking at the real clock? I sure sure enough. I you know, I actually opened my eyes and realized

[01:43:24] It's not 6 a.m. It's 2 a.m. Go back to sleep. You know, it's

[01:43:28] Oh

[01:43:29] We were talking about algos and uh algorithm. Yeah

[01:43:32] Yeah, I just saw my phone onto a rain noise on spotify

[01:43:37] 10 hour rain noise, right? Well since I live all night

[01:43:42] Spotify was like man this guy really likes rain noise because he listened to it for 10 hours. Let's add thunderstorms. No

[01:43:49] My my ai dj on spotify

[01:43:54] Started playing rain noise while i'm driving in the car. No

[01:43:58] So you're like you're about to make me go and crash and go to sleep. Don't do that

[01:44:03] I was like I need to be able to you need to be able to search for something

[01:44:06] And toggle a thing that says please don't include this search in my algorithm

[01:44:10] This is a curse. I wish you could do that with serious

[01:44:12] You can do it on your main playlist, but you can't do it on the stations and like damn it

[01:44:16] Right. I wish I could mess with the djs and say stop playing that shit

[01:44:20] Right exactly. I love this remix. I hate that remix because it's lazy and repetitive

[01:44:28] That happens and I mean these soundtracks were amazing dude, like I bought a rare The Matrix soundtrack

[01:44:34] Two years back and that was a cool listen to have in the car

[01:44:37] Because it's you know exclusive traction of the game and it was a

[01:44:40] Protégé of don davis. So he's doing just as good a job with the symphony

[01:44:44] It's just davis was scoring the movies and he couldn't score the video game time and I missed that I miss when

[01:44:51] I mean you saw it briefly

[01:44:52] The closest thing you really have now is comics based on movies that are cool tie-ins, but

[01:44:58] But now you'll see it with I mean the alien franchise has done it where there's digital shorts that come out

[01:45:03] And they're later included on the blu-ray special feature release, but

[01:45:08] I do miss when there was a blunch of stuff that came out and it all tied together like well lost lost it

[01:45:14] Did that they won't do it entire arg?

[01:45:17] That like you had to go to websites and log into stuff and make all kinds of cool connections and

[01:45:23] Yeah, that was real big for a little while but then it just kind of fell off

[01:45:28] Um, there's still artists that are doing it. Um

[01:45:31] Like the names aren't coming to my mind right now, but they're youtube people

[01:45:35] And like you got to be real keen-eyed

[01:45:38] And watch all of the videos to catch the clues to go to this one website. It's like a recurring gag. Yeah, it's right

[01:45:45] Uh, I can't remember the guy's name, but he did

[01:45:50] The closest I can think is even money python like

[01:45:53] Or mr show or this sketch

[01:45:56] This skit has something to do with that skit skit

[01:45:58] But you have to you have to watch them all in order to get the ultimate penultimate references

[01:46:03] Yeah, I like when they when they go out come out into the real world

[01:46:07] There's this uh youtube video called this house has people in it

[01:46:12] And it's very interesting

[01:46:14] um

[01:46:15] and there is a

[01:46:17] security company name

[01:46:19] On one of the security cameras in the in the video

[01:46:22] And if you go to that company

[01:46:25] It's a site that the guy who made the video made up

[01:46:28] And then there's something written on the refrigerator with those letters and that's the user name

[01:46:33] And then there's something written in the background. That's the password and if you get all that put it together

[01:46:39] If you the website you can get like five extra hours of content based on this this short film

[01:46:45] And it's just it's super interesting to go dig through those rabbit holes. Um, there's a guy on youtube named. Um

[01:46:53] Nightmind who goes through them all

[01:46:55] And explains it and shows how how intricate it is and everything interesting stuff

[01:47:00] that that is nuts, but

[01:47:03] That's our kind of nuts. It is fun

[01:47:05] Just looking at all these patterns all these and people can realize it doesn't have to be just one straightforward puzzle

[01:47:10] It doesn't have to be just five symbols and that's it

[01:47:14] Right, right. It can be it's a whole three-dimensional thing basically it reminds

[01:47:19] This is kind of an anti-puzzle

[01:47:21] I love it when people will take wheel of fortune stuff, but then show how it could easily spell inappropriate not safe to air words

[01:47:31] Oh, yeah

[01:47:32] That's kind of a anti-joke, but it's still kind of you need a bit of evil stuff like that to bring out

[01:47:38] Just kind of your main brain. That's really gelling really working is like right

[01:47:43] It's kind of like when I i'm this way with educational stuff

[01:47:47] Because I'll see stuff that's trying to be like sesame street or an interactive cd wrong

[01:47:51] Remember when that was a thing? Oh my god, and it's like it's distracting you from the actual purpose the

[01:47:57] moral of the story or the

[01:47:59] How to solve a problem and i'm like, well that was just too cute. That was easy that didn't

[01:48:05] That downplayed how complex this calculus

[01:48:07] Is

[01:48:09] I need more than just a song

[01:48:11] Breaking into another witty thing to remind me about why this is good and this is bad schoolhouse rocks

[01:48:17] Yes, there you break it down to it

[01:48:19] It did it breaks it down into an extremely simple level and then you can you know

[01:48:22] You can deep dive into it if you want to learn more. No, don't get me wrong

[01:48:25] There's some stuff where you got to start small but then there's other ones. They don't say hey listen

[01:48:31] This is the 10 000 foot view how this works

[01:48:35] Um, it's a lot more complex like saying oh, yeah christopher columbus he was the sailor man who found america

[01:48:42] that's the

[01:48:44] the really

[01:48:45] Sanitized 10 000 foot view of what? Yeah

[01:48:48] Let's update that a bit. Yeah, you dig it. But you when you're dealing with first graders, that's what you do

[01:48:54] You know, you'll learn more about the real story later, but this is the basic idea, you know

[01:49:00] I kind of get it with like schoolhouse rocks

[01:49:03] Absolutely, and i'm cool with people even taking that style. It's just I hate it when it's like yeah

[01:49:08] You were so focused on get it

[01:49:10] Sometimes even getting a famous name can really distract you because you're less like I just want to listen to the famous person talk

[01:49:16] Well, uh my daughter at her might be at this school

[01:49:20] I can't remember which school it was. Um

[01:49:22] There's picture of the rock as long as it's not agent smith teaching. I'm cool with the script

[01:49:28] Dwayne the rock johnson with a milk mustache. It's like got milk

[01:49:31] Oh, yeah, like it's not even that it's a milk ad. It's like, you know dwayne the rock johnson's watching me eat lunch every day, you know

[01:49:38] That's true. That's the joke of it. So like the the

[01:49:42] Idea that you should drink milk goes everybody's head. He's gonna pulverize you with the people's elbow. Yep

[01:49:49] And then my daughter's lactose intolerant. So

[01:49:52] She's really not gonna do it now. He's like

[01:49:55] Especially when he's staring down with those eyes the rocks gonna make me drink something

[01:50:00] I'm gonna regret drinking

[01:50:03] And it kind of kills the idea of the the ad if you have too much star power behind it, you know

[01:50:07] Yeah, that's true

[01:50:08] You'll think why so be like, um, i'm good

[01:50:12] right

[01:50:13] So, um, what did you what did you think about the jada pinkett smith makeup to make her look ancient?

[01:50:20] In the fourth matrix. I don't even remember it

[01:50:25] Say what you want about her

[01:50:27] Now as a person but like she looked pretty awesome in angel has fallen the recent olympus has fallen sequel

[01:50:35] Oh, no, I haven't seen that one. Yeah, she's one of the

[01:50:38] FBI agents who thinks the main character who's been framed might may or may not have tried to kill one of the presidents but

[01:50:45] And then of course comes around to it. So that was a cool ass kicking for her in a post

[01:50:49] You know demon knight matrix way, but yeah niobie was just so

[01:50:53] fun in the

[01:50:55] movies and

[01:50:57] it felt like some of the returning people they brought back on that fourth one was just like I why are they here and

[01:51:03] Don't get me wrong. You did not need to be there

[01:51:05] I feel like a lot of people who find the matrix overrated or don't care for the sequels only saw them once

[01:51:11] But don't get me wrong. Sometimes

[01:51:14] There's plenty of movies

[01:51:15] I have a limit

[01:51:16] I will watch a movie three or six times if I don't care for it if I really want to see why

[01:51:20] People like it so much

[01:51:22] And if I can't get it on any of those viewings and it's just driving me crazy

[01:51:27] So i'm a I I typically will not watch the same movie more than once in a five-year period. Oh, there you go

[01:51:34] that's me

[01:51:35] it just

[01:51:37] Because then like I had forgotten so much about revolutions and uh reloaded

[01:51:42] That like I was I was really entertained by them because I had forgotten so much about them

[01:51:47] You know if I watched them quite regularly, it would be you know, it could be a problem

[01:51:50] That could be a problem. That is true. So I don't recommend everyone do marathons all the time. But if you

[01:51:57] Uh years ago, I went with my pal fabian and he did a cool

[01:52:01] Morpheus cosplay with the sword and robe and all

[01:52:04] the purple robe

[01:52:06] That's cool

[01:52:07] Did you uh, do you do cosplay?

[01:52:10] I messed with it briefly, but I haven't done in a minute, but there are some cool matrix cosplayers on rare occasion

[01:52:17] Right. I haven't seen i've only been to a couple of conventions

[01:52:20] um, my daughter does cosplay and you know we go to them but

[01:52:24] Nice

[01:52:27] she's uh, she's

[01:52:28] Does the competitions the uh crafting competitions where like you have to

[01:52:32] Build your cosplay completely from scratch. You can't buy anything

[01:52:36] Oh, it's like fabric and thread and materials

[01:52:41] So she does everything from scratch and oh man. Yeah, she's she's pretty good. She's getting really good at so

[01:52:50] Yeah 14

[01:52:53] Hey, you know the sooner the better I feel like a lot i've lost a lot of my arts and crafts skills

[01:52:57] Just because I haven't done it in forever. You know, you know, you don't don't flex the muscle

[01:53:01] It's gonna go weak, you know, it'll go away

[01:53:03] I mean just like with languages and all that and I I think a lot of people owe it to themselves like hey

[01:53:07] You know do it and don't

[01:53:10] If you're the weird kid in class, that's okay. You know, that's what you love doing. So do it

[01:53:15] Anybody you see on on youtube doing something and you're like, wow, that's amazing

[01:53:20] like

[01:53:21] A hula hoop person that's just really good at hula hoop, right? Yeah, you're like, wow, they're really good at hula hoop

[01:53:26] That's really cool. And then um

[01:53:29] You don't see the

[01:53:30] 500 hours they stood in front of their mirror in their room being dropping it dropping it every every other time that it spun around

[01:53:37] The people who you grew up with

[01:53:40] At work at school who were talking about the matrix they didn't appreciate it for what it was

[01:53:44] They just liked the cool shit that was on screen. Yep. They were the add crowd

[01:53:48] They weren't me and my friends. We were very into computers at the time and and hacking

[01:53:53] There's a lot of computer jokes in that. Yeah, and hacking cyber hacking is a

[01:53:58] Cyberpunk thing is right and we love the movie hackers. There you go

[01:54:02] Easy and as inaccurate as that was because that was very

[01:54:05] Cyberpunk we're cool because we're hackers, you know, yeah

[01:54:10] We can do cool things because oh I could make the computer do stuff

[01:54:13] Uh, yeah good times virtuosity like at all the other

[01:54:19] Uh everybody director of a movie that had he on her thieves. Um johnny pneumonic

[01:54:24] Which by the way, everyone should see the japanese cut of it. I I know most people know there was one

[01:54:31] Yes, and it's the way it was meant to be seen before sony took it away and butchered it for the american

[01:54:37] International release and sony doesn't do that to movies

[01:54:40] It's

[01:54:47] Interesting though too how

[01:54:50] and just

[01:54:52] Yeah, you've been growing up. Hey, there's some cool stuff

[01:54:54] But it goes downhill pretty fast and this is like that's just it the movie starts off differently

[01:54:59] It has a narration is way more like blade runner when you watch it as opposed to oh, yeah

[01:55:03] When what we saw it just looked like a bad total recall star trek type episode where it was like

[01:55:09] What's going on? Why is there one trying to kill him and

[01:55:12] You know without that, I don't think he would've done the matrix but the movie is more complete

[01:55:16] You actually you get different tags. You don't get any of the hammy acting awkward cuts you

[01:55:22] Okay, you understand why the street preacher in takshi katana the evil company guy are trying to kill him and

[01:55:28] Just those extra scenes they were both brief scenes, but they said a lot and

[01:55:33] When you goof off with a movie when you fire the director and you're not going to get a coherent

[01:55:39] Promise. Yeah, you're really not and

[01:55:42] Good barbara. Sorry

[01:55:44] Yeah, barbie was all over the place

[01:55:47] Yeah, I couldn't get into that or up in highlanders. Like yeah this

[01:55:52] Gerwig she's a good actress, but she's not good with staging unlike the matrix

[01:55:55] But I know where everyone is and I see something new each time I watch it

[01:55:59] Hey

[01:56:00] If you look a scene further, you can see one of the agents creeping up

[01:56:02] But you don't notice it because you're busy paying attention to mage to morpheus talking to neo in this simulation

[01:56:07] And that's what was cool was those fake outs and right?

[01:56:11] I don't know what it is

[01:56:12] I am bored with today's war movies and I was really bored with open. I ran

[01:56:15] It's just like I know why he did what he did

[01:56:18] I don't need three hours for you to tell me this

[01:56:21] And yeah, it could have been an hour and a half

[01:56:23] I find that being my criticism could have been a mini series on hulu five episodes

[01:56:27] Yeah, and they could have gone as deep as they wanted to with it

[01:56:30] Um, yeah, you went and looked at your watch

[01:56:32] I find myself saying this to my wife a lot when I watch something that she's not interested in i'm like

[01:56:37] That hour and a half could have been 40 minutes. It could have it could have been a short film

[01:56:42] Well, this is what we got to do more often with our movie watching

[01:56:44] We got to find common ground validate each other instead of just hey you hate everything

[01:56:49] I like no he doesn't hate everything

[01:56:51] No, he or she likes he hated this movie because of this he's seen too many movies

[01:56:56] I have had to there's plenty of times where

[01:56:59] I'm going to a movie just to make other people happy they want to see it

[01:57:03] I don't

[01:57:05] So I and I am I will not doing it. So let's shut up. I'm doing it. Just they want to see a movie

[01:57:12] I'm just not feeling it today, but i'm not going to be the debbie downer

[01:57:16] Right. Yeah, i'm not gonna crap on anybody else's good time if somebody else likes something i'll be like hey

[01:57:21] Everybody's got an opinion about it, you know

[01:57:23] But that's the other thing too. It's like

[01:57:26] I hate when they do the whole i'm getting cool with this, but you're an exception. I'm like, oh, okay do tell

[01:57:34] It is and annoys me to no end though too when people want to say this is a rip off

[01:57:38] But they haven't even seen the original movie and like, okay, you're gonna call this a rip off of that

[01:57:43] I'll do one better for you. This is a rip off of

[01:57:46] Death wish or leon professional

[01:57:49] Maybe scarface which was already a godfather or not, you know

[01:57:52] Is like everyone likes to but then you'll see the others saying i'm cool with it being unoriginal. I'm like do you hear yourself?

[01:57:58] Though they say like yes, this is a hunger games rip off

[01:58:04] You know and you're like well

[01:58:06] And then you hear people say well hunger games is a battle royale ripoff

[01:58:10] I'm like, but there's so much more to the hunger games and less to the hunger games

[01:58:15] It's it's different enough that it's its own thing. I don't feel like it's a ripoff the basic premise of people

[01:58:21] In a last man standing the basic premise of people are in last man standing battle

[01:58:26] Has been around forever

[01:58:28] You know bingo

[01:58:30] It's how you do it. Yeah, you gotta and make if anything, I mean

[01:58:35] You ask any action director they'll tell you right away. Just

[01:58:38] make like

[01:58:40] So there is only

[01:58:42] One there's two gangs during cop shows i'm going to recommend and it's because they go outside their boundaries

[01:58:48] The trailers look like just about anything it's already been done

[01:58:52] But they executed different like ray donovan is different than any of the other

[01:58:57] You know villain protagonist shows because he wants to escape his chaotic world

[01:59:02] But he you know all of them as a family of crooks and they all got you know, crappy

[01:59:07] Criminal records kind of hard to get out of their hell hole but he's got you know, five different reasons

[01:59:12] He thinks you know, he suspects his wife's being unfaithful. He's

[01:59:17] Noticing himself turn to the dark side and disturbs him. He's seeing his kids all right want to push away from him. He's got

[01:59:24] bunch of motivation

[01:59:25] A lot he does he wants to change by the end of season one and he does and then he changes every season

[01:59:30] So that makes it even more fun, especially when it gets formulated the closer that was amazing because it was fucking funny

[01:59:37] It's not even promoted as a comedy, but you got the guy from police academy

[01:59:41] He's being a hysterical boomer kind of cop and the others are like hey man

[01:59:44] You kind of can't say that you're kind of fucked up and

[01:59:48] And at the end, you know

[01:59:50] You know the case is going to get solved

[01:59:51] You know who the bad guy is probably by after 20 minutes

[01:59:55] But you don't know why or how and you're hoping for a confession and you feel trapped inside that confession

[02:00:00] Mouth by the time they're in and then they end it with some wacky

[02:00:04] line that sums up all the chaos that kind of went down and it's like see that's cool, but

[02:00:09] Then there's other ones that again

[02:00:10] They're like, uh, we gotta get this in and it just feels lazy because they've been doing it so long

[02:00:15] They don't even realize why they do it or why they love doing it. It's like almost like ai's right now

[02:00:21] You know, I wouldn't be surprised i'm waiting for another

[02:00:24] Scandal like that where it's like this director was a creep or every there were no writers present

[02:00:29] They're all aliases of the same guy. So he has like five different fake, you know accounts

[02:00:34] He gets residuals from yeah collecting a check from all of them

[02:00:38] but uh

[02:00:39] So, yeah, I gotta I gotta be wrapping it up. I gotta I gotta it has been a delight having you on here my guy

[02:00:44] And you're welcome back anytime. Uh that has a rap for davis

[02:00:48] David david king david

[02:00:51] David david david medus medus is how it's pronounced but uh, yes, i'm the worst david medus

[02:00:58] Yeah, it was the one tonight. I would like to come on and talk about other things

[02:01:03] Um hit me up anytime you you need a guest or whatever. I promise

[02:01:06] Well, hey we're talking about loss we can do another funny summary of that and we can talk about other fantasy shows

[02:01:11] I've watched lost so many times. I think i've watched it all the way through four times

[02:01:16] That's right. And we I know that show inside now

[02:01:18] I always give a disclaimer to everyone also like we don't have to like every single one

[02:01:22] It's like I want everyone to validate their take on it. I don't want this to be a let's bitch with each other

[02:01:28] And lost is so broad

[02:01:31] You can love certain things about it and hate certain things about it at the same time

[02:01:35] You know like uh jack the character I hate him. I hate jack and he's the main character

[02:01:41] Character, but I hate him and my daughter hates him like

[02:01:44] Every time it looked like he was gonna eat it, you know, he's gonna gonna be gone

[02:01:49] He's like gb's and they're like, oh come on. Come on and then he would you know

[02:01:54] not I was that way with bates motel where i'm like i'm loving this reimagining of psycho, but I want

[02:02:00] Uh mrs. Bates, you know the mom to bite it because right because you know

[02:02:05] She's gonna at some point and all she does is whine

[02:02:09] I don't know if it's just the actress's delivery or me not caring for how they write her or what but it's annoying

[02:02:14] every scene it's in so it's like

[02:02:17] But I gotta suffer for it to get to the good stuff which is

[02:02:21] All the other people who suspect noran and are slowly wanting to avoid them. So it's like I don't know it you can only

[02:02:27] Reject or appeal or endure something so many times there are plenty of shows that are good

[02:02:33] But you couldn't make me go through them again just because it really is

[02:02:37] It could be psychologically damaging at times

[02:02:40] Some of them are slogged too because you'll have so many filler episodes because they have 22

[02:02:45] Episodes per so good and that is what annoys you because you know, it's such good writing. They should know better

[02:02:51] Yeah, but they they have a contract, you know, they gotta fill up those time slots

[02:02:55] Fill up those time slots. I feel like a lot of those contracts goofed up so many movies and shows are later on that

[02:03:00] heroes

[02:03:02] Here yes, great premise and yet. Oh the writer strike killed that one

[02:03:07] which really

[02:03:08] Because uh that that strike a lot of shows

[02:03:12] Amazing because we didn't know how good we had it. It's like hey there's stuff on the internet now

[02:03:19] You tell

[02:03:20] But yeah, i'm gonna pop out of here. I feel kind of plug my shows again real quick. Absolutely

[02:03:24] Let's do it. You got a meatus pod that's

[02:03:28] P.o.d. It's a science fiction fantasy and horror short stories audio fiction

[02:03:32] Um, and then i've got fun fact friday with lila and david and that is just a family friendly show that I do with

[02:03:38] My daughter and we just have a good time. Yeah topic every week

[02:03:42] so

[02:03:43] Perfect, man. There we go. And i've got a new show coming out don't know when

[02:03:48] But it's going to be called nerd talk with a cool guy

[02:03:51] And you'll be able to watch that on cool guy. Fyi

[02:03:55] Yeah, cool guy. Yeah

[02:03:57] Come out hopefully

[02:03:59] Me this live check out the check out the stream guys have a lot of fun

[02:04:02] I'll try to link most of this on here awesome

[02:04:05] Yeah, I appreciate that and uh, let me know if you want me to come back on and uh, oh, you know it dude

[02:04:10] I can literally talk about anything

[02:04:12] We'll shoot the shit. We'll have a we'll come up with a few other concepts and you'll be safe out there

[02:04:16] Yep, have a good one

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