Recommended True Crime/History Podcasts Update (with Jennifer Goller & Lisa Marks from What I Had Heard Was Podcast!)

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[00:00:45] Here we are, here we are. Another episode of Long Time in the Makin'. Update on true crime

[00:00:51] and history and conspiracy podcasts that we recommend. Here tonight, Lisa Marks. Say hi.

[00:01:03] Hi. How are you? And Jennifer Gulliver.

[00:01:07] Hi. All right. So they from the What I Had Heard Was Podcast and we just thought, yeah,

[00:01:19] we could totally do a, you know, we had so many different options. Twitter has been great at

[00:01:24] posting collaborations and promoting other shows. And we're just like, yeah, no, we're going to have

[00:01:28] you on. And what we're going to figure out is just some cool topic that wouldn't be too

[00:01:33] divisive. You know, just something that everyone could kind of relate to. And since you guys

[00:01:37] just explore conspiracies and I do some social political topics on occasion, I just figured,

[00:01:44] yeah, I was like, yeah, we can totally do an update on true crime podcasts. We've kind of

[00:01:51] been following lately. Have you been listening to more or less podcasts than you typically

[00:01:59] listen to? Do you think it's about the same? I would say actually even more. Really? I've

[00:02:05] any of them that got too snobby or weren't regularly updating for like a year and a half,

[00:02:11] I just dropped. I said, I'm not following. And then there were other ones that, again,

[00:02:16] had too many hiatuses, but I've discovered so many through Wondery. That's another true crime

[00:02:24] network and so many other ones. I got a chance to speak to Lindsey Graham,

[00:02:33] who's done stuff like American Scandal and a bunch of other ones. And that was very

[00:02:38] enlightening just how I was kind of picking his brain. He didn't really have much to give.

[00:02:44] He's like, I hired a producer who hired these other local great theater talents to bring these

[00:02:51] people to life. I was just a scripter figuring out how to promote it. But it is interesting

[00:03:00] how there was a great back in 2022, there was a bunch of these podcasts, some of which

[00:03:07] we'll mention. They brought up how they were hosting a panel at True Crime Con in Dallas,

[00:03:14] and they gave some great helpful tips on if there's a current case, let it ride for a while.

[00:03:21] Don't try to unintentionally influence the jury. It could be a very crucial case. Always try

[00:03:27] to reach out to all sides of the argument that the media is not always going to get it right

[00:03:32] we know. And be very, very careful. Give as many trigger warnings as you can because some

[00:03:37] people are too dumb to read the fine print. Hey, graphic description of actual incident that

[00:03:42] happened. We're not doing this to be gratuitous and don't over dramatize. You will piss someone

[00:03:50] off every time it'll sound phony to the viewer and it'll piss off the victim's family because

[00:03:56] they're like, that's not how my jury sounded. Well, the question is how graphic is necessary?

[00:04:03] How much information do we? How much information do consumers really need? Right. Don't make it

[00:04:11] sound like an SVU or Criminal Minds episode. Make it sound real enough but not like you say

[00:04:17] to where it feels like an exploitation film or something just too over the top.

[00:04:22] You know, it's and what you know, you know, but you don't have to add any extra thing.

[00:04:29] Like I thought they got hit with this object. Well, we're not sure.

[00:04:32] Well, the entitlement to knowledge bothers me. You know, the feelings of entitlement.

[00:04:37] It's not like I know enough. I went on Wikipedia or a real life serial killer site

[00:04:43] and like, well, did you go to another few researcher sites that study these cases?

[00:04:49] Even if you did, like they're real people, like the real people who lived real lives,

[00:04:52] who have real families who are affected by these crimes.

[00:04:58] So we considered for this season that we're in right now, we were going to do serial killers

[00:05:05] like the most prolific serial killers, the ones that are the most well known. But we decided

[00:05:11] not to do that. And it's simply because, you know, do you mention the victims?

[00:05:19] If you do mention victims, what about the victims families?

[00:05:23] Right. It's a difficult subject, you know, to do and to try not to offend anyone or

[00:05:33] and these poor families, you know, their loved ones,

[00:05:40] just the information that's out there, it has to be so difficult. You hear constantly

[00:05:48] everything that happened to your loved one. And it's got to be hard. And to avoid it is

[00:05:54] impossible. It's on every podcast, every TV show. It's difficult, you know? So how do you do it

[00:06:02] without offending someone or bringing back memories? Or, you know, it's difficult.

[00:06:09] Well, these shows are trying to one up each other. You know, we're going to get even more

[00:06:13] graphic and we're going to share even more information that is really irresponsible,

[00:06:20] to be honest.

[00:06:23] Because people are dumb and they like to think they got the research from watching a movie.

[00:06:28] Your guess is as good as theirs.

[00:06:32] I think that the worst place to get information is from any of these movies that aren't a documentary.

[00:06:42] Look at how many movies, but go ahead.

[00:06:46] No, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but keep in mind that even the documentaries are biased

[00:06:49] by whoever's making them.

[00:06:51] True.

[00:06:52] You know, it's not like it was 30 years ago, which I'm sure there still was some of that,

[00:06:57] but those seem to be more factual based. Now, documentary.

[00:07:02] I mean, CSI never got it right. They were always like, oh, we're going to abandon science and

[00:07:07] be all comic bookish. But you see some of their ideals and they'll throw bullshit like,

[00:07:12] oh, we're the cops, we're your friends. And then they'll mix in other stuff like,

[00:07:16] we'll solve it in 24 hours. It's like, it's no more like three months.

[00:07:24] And that's not including going to trial.

[00:07:26] Yeah.

[00:07:29] Well, one of the podcasts, the True Crime podcast that I have listened to religiously,

[00:07:36] not so much lately, I actually stopped listening to podcasts for about a year now.

[00:07:43] And I hate to say, I'd hate to talk about a commercialized podcast for true crime,

[00:07:49] but in my mind, one of the best ones is My Favorite Murder.

[00:07:54] My favorite murder.

[00:07:54] And it's a comedy. Yeah, it's the comedy crime.

[00:08:00] True Crime podcast.

[00:08:03] Won a Shorty Award for best podcast. Okay, shoot.

[00:08:07] Yeah, it's very, very popular and they make big money off of it. But

[00:08:14] and they do they do it on stage and in front of an audience. And

[00:08:19] somehow, they make you laugh while also talking about all of these cases.

[00:08:30] But they do have tons of disclosures saying, you know how they realize that they're joking

[00:08:37] and laughing about something that just completely isn't funny. But in the end,

[00:08:41] you wind up you learn a lot about these cases. And they are being factual and they are

[00:08:47] following what really truly happened. But they're also they're both comedians and

[00:08:53] they're making you laugh the whole time. And but somehow it's done really tastefully.

[00:08:58] So I guess I got a similar one that is definitely, you know, it's on I Heart.

[00:09:04] So they're definitely making some kind of money.

[00:09:07] Have you guys ever followed Behind the Bastards?

[00:09:10] No.

[00:09:11] Okay, so that was another one. And they do kind of

[00:09:13] they're stating stuff out loud and they're having to just laugh at just all these real life,

[00:09:19] just fascists, Nazis, dictators, other everyday celebrities who got away with

[00:09:26] all kinds of crimes. And they're just like, do you hear these people? So but it's kind

[00:09:31] of a similar thing is like, it's not funny at all. But yet sometimes they're

[00:09:34] just trying to get into their head and even make sense of this awful person who has,

[00:09:40] who has, you know, the more you read about it, it's like, yeah, they're living on a

[00:09:44] totally different planet. And this makes no sense at all.

[00:09:50] But they do find a way to kind of ease the pain. And then at the

[00:09:53] back at the end of the day be like, yeah, we talked about some real bastards.

[00:10:00] You could say that the fascination with true crime is, is that it kind of makes

[00:10:08] you more aware of what can happen to you and what situations to not to try to attempt not

[00:10:15] to put I mean, obviously, it happens even in the best case scenario, you know, and you just

[00:10:23] there's nothing you can do about it. But it does kind of make you more aware of what to

[00:10:28] do what not to do what to watch out for what to look for. And, you know, it just makes

[00:10:33] you more aware of what actually literally could happen to you, you know, and without you

[00:10:39] realizing you're in danger, you know, so I heard that people like it, because it takes you very

[00:10:47] close to something dangerous, but you're still in a safe place. So you get to find out how awful

[00:10:54] things could be. And the storytelling behind the podcast or whatever adds what's key,

[00:11:01] creates it to it creates it for you. And so you're getting something and you say this is true,

[00:11:06] like this actually happened, which makes it significantly more scary.

[00:11:13] Yeah. But it just shows you the I think that's why we're getting comfortable getting back into

[00:11:20] audio dramas and remembering how much we love the radio typically on a good day is like,

[00:11:27] uh, when you have someone who is using this format and not abusing it, you know, just actually

[00:11:35] using it to create a bigger picture. And, you know, not everyone's meant for it. Some of

[00:11:42] the shows I had to stop listening to be I'll get to some of the worst ones in a bit.

[00:11:50] Uh, it's just very, I mean, when the right kind of people can make this compelling,

[00:11:58] even though, you know, you're probably not going to get a good happy ending.

[00:12:01] But I mean, it's not for everybody that there are some where they're,

[00:12:05] they got way too many ads or they have too many roundtables that are kind of redundant when

[00:12:12] it's just keeping us from it just kind of adds to more speculation. So I like it when

[00:12:17] it's just kind of a got it and done. And you, you know, if it's an unhappy ending,

[00:12:23] like, you know, still an active scene. But I like when they add extra detail,

[00:12:29] like the community is still looking for this person, but it's not neither the victim

[00:12:37] or the killer as a person of interest by the cops or feds, you know, just speed up to us.

[00:12:43] We can handle the truth. I really like true crime bullshit. Oh, like,

[00:12:51] like in terms of describing what? No, no, it's the name of a show. Oh,

[00:12:59] it's like, look that one up though. That is Israeli keys. Israel keys. Yeah,

[00:13:07] he was a serial killer and they don't know a whole lot about him because he killed himself.

[00:13:13] That's really interesting. Wow.

[00:13:16] Very interesting. And, you know, I hate to say this and I'm going to put this in the latest

[00:13:23] way possible, but if you're a serial killer and you truly don't want anyone to know your secrets,

[00:13:30] I mean, and you're going to kill yourself and it's like, you die with all of your

[00:13:35] secrets and they may never find out what and that just truly shows just how evil you are

[00:13:41] in the end. It's just like, I'm going to die and I'm not going to reveal

[00:13:49] some of my victims, what I did, why I did it. I'm going to die with all the answers

[00:13:56] and you know what I mean? It's just the true coward.

[00:14:00] How many of the people who are out there killing multiple people are concerned about

[00:14:07] their family's feelings? You know what I mean? How many care about putting that to rest or getting

[00:14:13] justice for any of it? Like, they don't care. That's not a concern for them.

[00:14:22] And I think wrapping it up is the hardest part. How do you tell people, hey, we haven't

[00:14:28] found anything new or we come closer, we've been following the case more closely, but we still

[00:14:36] got plenty of holes in this narrative and we don't have any good way to end this.

[00:14:44] So, we'll just end this. I do dig it when they actually have some kind of professor or some

[00:14:50] other person who's studied this case for quite a while.

[00:14:53] But you guys think about all the internet sleuths like the ones that just go on these

[00:14:59] rabbit holes of trying to end and a lot of times they help solve these crimes.

[00:15:04] You know, they live by it and they...

[00:15:11] I haven't followed any of these. Are they just like internet radio or are they an actual like...

[00:15:16] No, they just take...

[00:15:19] Oh, okay.

[00:15:19] Yeah, they find information that no one's found, that no one's realized. They examine

[00:15:27] the news stories and all of the information and they actually help solve... some of them

[00:15:36] help solve these crimes by just basically being extremely nosy and just doing tons and

[00:15:43] tons and tons of research. And yeah, they notice things no one noticed and yeah.

[00:15:50] I might need them to look up some turn on my shady employers. Wow.

[00:15:58] Very cool. So, I got a few for you here that you might recognize.

[00:16:06] Nobody No Crime, I take it you've heard of?

[00:16:11] No, I haven't heard of that.

[00:16:12] Okay.

[00:16:12] Oh, is that the show?

[00:16:14] Yes. I never heard of the show.

[00:16:16] Okay. Total Recommend. That's actually where I've heard about the True Crime Con.

[00:16:21] True Crime Weekly. It's good but it's a little side tracked and nervous laughter with

[00:16:25] the duo sometimes but recommend. There's the Sinister Sisters. They got some good narratives.

[00:16:31] Unfortunately, they kind of went on hiatus a while back. Voices for Justice and Disappearances.

[00:16:39] These are pretty perfectly edited and pretty well researched. Hunting Warhead. This is a

[00:16:45] one-and-done audio drama from quite a while back but it's so visual just

[00:16:49] identifying if someone you know is a pedophile or not but it just gets into the hacking world and

[00:16:57] how so many traffickers hide behind that. Crime Junkie, you might have heard of her because she

[00:17:04] That one I know.

[00:17:05] She did a guest spot on Conan O'Brien. She's pretty funny.

[00:17:09] I'm friends with this guy. I don't speak German. Run by Daniel Harper. He's really good

[00:17:15] at just figuring out just some of the logic or lack thereof behind some of these in-cell gunmen,

[00:17:21] modern day Nazis and other just MAGA trolls. A few bad apples. She chronicles a lot of crimes

[00:17:30] committed by actual policemen or people who were imposters and she'll end it with a good apple

[00:17:37] and she'll end it with a good apple so to speak. My Persian pal Tara Jabari has this awesome

[00:17:45] history one called Who Was She which chronicles real life women doing just awesome things like

[00:17:52] spying during earlier century wars and making a difference during foreign uprisings. Just

[00:18:00] stuff that you listen to and you're like that should be an actual spy biopic.

[00:18:07] My favorite, yeah so Who Was She and that's on Spotify.

[00:18:15] My favorite murder, yes I added you to the list so I actually made it back on here because

[00:18:22] I'm reading back. So last days of August this chronicles the mysterious death of a adult film

[00:18:30] star like a real life person and we're still indecisive if the neglect by her shitty

[00:18:36] producer husband caused this or if there was something else because everyone was like oh she's

[00:18:42] bipolar is like yeah but no one gave her the proper attention so you can't say it's just her.

[00:18:51] There was clearly some neglect by so many different parties on this. QAnon anonymous

[00:18:57] that this is a lot of tough stuff to go through but it's worth it. It really that they

[00:19:04] even cited by CNN half the time just because they have done a good job of tracking down some

[00:19:09] very crazy fascist variety confidentials in new one by you know the magazine of the same name

[00:19:15] and they chronicle the history of the casting couch in the entertainment industry.

[00:19:20] The New York Times had this audio drama called Rabbit Hole and it deals with all kinds of

[00:19:25] other once again computer techno stuff that happened in real life hackers. The nefarious

[00:19:32] nightmare I think they were pretty good okay so you know this one I think they were pretty

[00:19:37] good with the source list and oh sweet yeah I had them on here as well. I mentioned American

[00:19:44] Scandal totally worth it like you'll get all kinds of good stuff. We Descent, Dark Adaptation,

[00:19:54] The Lady Vanishes which is a UK one. True Stories with Seth Andrews. He'll keep you in

[00:20:00] suspense even if you think you've known about this story before. There's another

[00:20:04] wondering program called Suspect. Its current season has vanished in the snow.

[00:20:11] Another one they produced is Chameleon which has numerous topics each season. It's now

[00:20:16] in its fifth year and it's by Sony Music and Outdoor Media but you'll just be just blown away

[00:20:23] by how many of these guys if they're not serial killers or other awful people that are

[00:20:27] also scam artists who have done it so long they believe their own lies. Disgraceland,

[00:20:35] Badlands Podcasts, Swindled which I had a recommendation from other podcast buddies

[00:20:41] they're like this is a very interesting student scandal podcast. Yep so if you

[00:20:47] think you've had a bad in college you might look at how these guys totally got

[00:20:51] screwed over by everybody from professors to other students to financial aid. Every Town

[00:20:59] podcast and I'm telling you you want to talk good editing this moody soundtrack

[00:21:04] and these real life creepy cold cases oh man don't listen to it while you're driving

[00:21:10] you'll have to pull over multiple times. The Town Whispers podcast this had some

[00:21:16] freaky foley and the creator did a spin-off of this called Tiny Terrors so it's kind of based

[00:21:23] off real life cold cases. I had another great guy on here to promote this podcast is Stage

[00:21:30] Combat. It's a mental health podcast on basically again people who've been mistreated

[00:21:37] in the theater arts scene and Time Suck with Dan Cummins, Fiasco. This is a short-lived one but

[00:21:49] they covered the Bush versus Al Gore election, the AIDS crisis, and a vigilante killer.

[00:21:58] Gone Cold podcast they detailed Texas True Crime. Over My Dead Body by Wondery I think

[00:22:07] you'll dig because it's long story short like they're going into better known ones like the

[00:22:13] Tiger King, Joe versus Carol as well as interviewing actual people who have you know

[00:22:20] been recreating this or producing the reality show. So there's a little corporate stuff but

[00:22:27] something was wrong. This was also recommended by Nefarious Nightmare and I was so glad I

[00:22:32] looked it up. I haven't cared for some of their recent stuff but they do such a good job of

[00:22:41] just serial liars, people who were everyday kind of people who screwed up so many other

[00:22:47] people's lives that I think it's a good lesson to how one person can practically destroy a

[00:22:52] town at times. Big Mad True Crime, The Buried Sisters, Exposed cover up at Columbia University,

[00:23:03] Red Handon's another one about infamous murderers, Smoke Screen is one you'll probably

[00:23:09] like because it's another anthology multi-part and again just it's this is mostly on fake

[00:23:19] priests so once again extra trigger warnings. Cover Up has multi-era scandals

[00:23:29] as well as ones about abortion pills being among many people's dark secrets that they just

[00:23:35] talk about stuff that people tried to make you know unattainable to other people and yet

[00:23:41] they had a lot of the same dirty laundry so to speak. Crooked City, this details a lot

[00:23:48] of city highs and horse gambling and other political crooks. The Muck Podcast, these again

[00:23:55] go into political scandals with a true crime connection. There's true spies in the spying game

[00:24:02] which detail all kinds of history and true crime but they were committed by CIA agents

[00:24:09] take that with a grain of salt. The one I think you're really going to love is Slow Burn

[00:24:15] and its spin-off Decoder Ring. These were created by the creators of Fiasco and was marketed by

[00:24:21] I think Slate magazine and they do all kinds of trials that but they do it way more coherently

[00:24:28] like what was the original Clarence Thomas scandal like and all stuff like that.

[00:24:35] The Opportunist chronicles true crimes and conspiracies committed by cults.

[00:24:41] Oh I'd like that. Yep so there you go the Opportunist and the legend of Tammany Hall,

[00:24:47] that's a history mini series that's going on. I'm pals with the Almost Presidents podcast,

[00:24:54] I think you'll dig them because we're talking about all the guys who could have made it but

[00:25:00] didn't. I got some weaker ones but I'll let you guys kind of go in and do with some

[00:25:09] other suggestions before I get to it. It's a lot to take in. I'm sorry about my dog.

[00:25:15] I can't hear it. Can you hear it? Nope. No okay. Well I so I did have I had an

[00:25:24] nefarious nightmare so these are some indies. I also have Crime on the Record,

[00:25:31] I don't know if you've heard of that one. I'm gonna look for it now.

[00:25:36] Also a friend of a yeah Crime on the Record and they haven't put anything out in a while

[00:25:46] but Over the Fence is a true crime podcast. They're an indie podcast. The last episode that

[00:25:53] they did was in 2023 unfortunately but they were very good and of course well a friend

[00:26:00] of ours The Jury Room that's another good one. The Jury Room. It's a ride podcast yeah so he reads

[00:26:07] the usually does it by himself and does like a ride podcast I don't know what you call that

[00:26:13] like what would you call that Jen? An audio book. A narration narration yeah. Kevin's a great guy.

[00:26:23] That's good. Yeah the Midnight Train that's another good one they explore a lot of true crime

[00:26:30] good so those were some of my favorites. I like Serial Killers. Okay it's real chill

[00:26:41] I mean that's yeah it's not super exciting. I didn't come with a whole prep list. No it's

[00:26:47] fine I didn't know how detailed we're gonna be but I'm always updating the list

[00:26:50] but you know it does kind of remind you how hard it is to even bring it to life

[00:27:02] but yeah I'll look up crime on the record and Over the Fence for sure.

[00:27:07] I got some weaker ones that really angered me like they weren't very researched they were

[00:27:13] over dramatized over produced and there wasn't really much lingo despite loving

[00:27:21] Behind the Bastards which has been around for a while I couldn't get into many of the I Heart

[00:27:25] ones they had one called Stuff They Don't Want You to Know and Silence the Radio Murders

[00:27:32] and the un-evolving narration and big production just became very annoying due to the soundtrack

[00:27:38] and clickbait type scripting and over dramatized voices I was like

[00:27:44] this feels like Nicki Swift or you know one of those other you know scandal sites wrote this

[00:27:51] as opposed to someone who wanted to detail this better. I tried getting into Forgotten and I

[00:27:58] kind of did just that I forgot everything that was on after each episode it wasn't very

[00:28:03] enlightening. American Scandal did this other one they produced called Reign of Error

[00:28:11] and despite being by the ones behind Suspect and Chameleon I just didn't it was very tough to

[00:28:19] get into like it was one of those it's like six episodes and after the second episode I was

[00:28:24] done I was just like it's not holding my interest at all. Owned was another one and

[00:28:30] again it's talking about all kinds of stolen property and everything else but it was just one

[00:28:35] of those other ones where despite really being impressed by Wondery's podcast there are some

[00:28:42] where it's just like you can only detail so much theft and pettiness before it you just

[00:28:54] kind of draw a blank and you're like and what now and that's all I had that I didn't really feel

[00:29:02] like cut the mustard but the I Heart Ones were very very bad but the rest were just kind of

[00:29:10] you know they were weak I don't think they were the worst of all time but they

[00:29:13] I couldn't recommend them fully. Sometimes I think that the name of the podcast the title

[00:29:19] of the podcast is more interesting than then the content it makes you go to it you're like oh that

[00:29:25] sounds good what is this because the name is like really makes you think you're gonna hear

[00:29:33] something phenomenal right or something really you know interesting and then you listen to

[00:29:37] your it and you're like I don't know about that what happened yeah yeah do you listen to

[00:29:43] the dollop I do yeah yeah dial-up okay I know the dollop dollop like like a dollop of sour cream

[00:29:57] that's a good one I forgot I forgot that existed yeah that's a good one I know

[00:30:02] producer Dick Wolf has produced some true crime podcasts so he's jumped on that bandwagon

[00:30:08] there's a lot of them I want to listen to but they're not on any take it with you kind of

[00:30:15] mobile app they're kind of desktop only oh okay or some of them are just on Spotify

[00:30:21] and just like okay I'll that takes up so much space on my phone so I'll

[00:30:25] listen to it when I get home the dollop is not an indie podcast that's a it's a very

[00:30:31] very popular podcast very well done and it's produced it but it's so good it's so good

[00:30:38] I've completely forgot that existed now I just saved it on my list

[00:30:43] Jen brought it up it's a lot of fun yeah oh yeah so it's with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds

[00:30:54] it's another you know that they they take uh they take things that aren't funny

[00:30:58] and make them funny so it's just so great so that's your that's your bread and butter

[00:31:04] currently just make it something to lighten it yeah yeah but like in a tasteful way it's

[00:31:11] really difficult to do the and and the ones that do it well it's amazing you know so how

[00:31:19] do you make some of these things funny and they do and educate you but they're doing it

[00:31:24] both at the same time and part of the story isn't great in how do you get how do you share

[00:31:30] that how do you share information that is really bad with other people without making them

[00:31:38] unhappy to have heard that information you know you retain it you retain it more when

[00:31:44] you're very like when you're you're interested and you're also laughing at the same time but

[00:31:52] you're like you know like i'm the type of person i'm gonna laugh at like the

[00:31:57] the most inappropriate things at the most inappropriate places like a funeral or church

[00:32:03] that that's just me so like why wouldn't i laugh at like true crime or like horrible things

[00:32:08] that have happened in history and sometimes the the best thing you can do is laugh because

[00:32:15] it just makes it hurt less you know the only thing that's just terrifying

[00:32:22] make the pain less painful yes numb the wound um wow yeah it can be a lot and i applaud anybody

[00:32:36] who can just make any of these work because i'm sure it's not easy no these are some good

[00:32:45] suggestions i will definitely check them out we've picked uh each other's brains for quite a while

[00:32:53] so let's let's give a little you time so uh lisa and jen uh so where did you guys uh get the

[00:33:02] courage to come up with your own podcast talk about you know under reported or other

[00:33:11] you know troublesome stuff that should be talked about more

[00:33:17] so i i joined jen um this past year i joined her podcast she's been established for about

[00:33:24] three years she had two prior co-hosts yeah she had two prior co-hosts the show is different

[00:33:32] than it was but then uh it was with the other two co-hosts we're trying to find our

[00:33:37] footing um i came from another podcast uh that i did for two years um and it was

[00:33:44] um completely different than what we're doing right now so we're we're basically just trying to

[00:33:51] lightheartedly also talk about things that are you know not

[00:33:56] you know so we're trying to our tagline is that we want to educate you about things we

[00:34:04] know nothing about so we're also learning while telling you about these um things so right now

[00:34:11] we're doing um uh death conspiracies about celebrities and uh we're also trying to

[00:34:20] things so right now we're doing um uh death conspiracies about celebrities so

[00:34:28] marilyn and alvis yeah so celebrities that may or may not still be alive and that died in

[00:34:39] circumstances that are a little sketchy and the ones that have all these conspiracy theories

[00:34:46] and what really happened who said what so that's what we're doing for the season

[00:34:53] yeah nice and uh i applaud anyone who can make it you know a priority because it is so much time

[00:35:00] and research to where it's like i need extra time to still edit you know yeah well jen's

[00:35:09] our editor and uh you know sometimes well i get the text messages that i'm going to bash

[00:35:16] my head against the wall can you say um and uh a little less

[00:35:24] just encouraging me um i say that and then the very next time we recorded i kept going um

[00:35:34] not to sound like a serial killer but there are absolutely times where i just want to strangle

[00:35:39] past me and say why you know what you want to say why are you you know giving yourself more

[00:35:44] work to do yeah you know how to fix this why are you making it so difficult

[00:35:52] oh and it's just annoying because it's like i'm sure i've done this quite a bit while we've been

[00:35:57] recording but it's just like you know what you want to say why are you pausing

[00:36:03] to be fair i am not a i've never taken broadcasting i'm not i i'm not educated in

[00:36:10] that for all of us to do that are in that are indie podcasters to be able to successfully do this

[00:36:19] kind of well she'll say kind of well impressive come on you know we're basically teaching

[00:36:26] ourselves by way of practice you don't realize yeah yeah as long as you're comfortable with

[00:36:38] yourself your other crew and value your time you know yeah and it's not easy though i mean there

[00:36:48] there's so much to it and i have to do something new every day now i gotta finally create a

[00:36:52] website and just like oh one more thing i don't want to do but i should do oh you should have

[00:36:59] seen us earlier trying to figure out how to get our rss feed on on youtube which we don't

[00:37:04] know why we didn't have a youtube pain yeah and we just sat around all this time going

[00:37:09] oh we should get it too but we don't know anything about youtube and google is really bad i mean

[00:37:17] you're really not going to see much of a buck from it but it is actually really amazing how

[00:37:21] many people will discover you on youtube it's like they just want something they can sneak

[00:37:25] in at their work and listen to even though there's no video sometimes and i find it

[00:37:32] interesting how let's see i just did it there guilty as charged um i just did it again god

[00:37:43] damn it uh so it's funny because um fuck me uh this it's just funny how

[00:37:54] this is a recurring issue we go through stages every year having to

[00:37:59] update things and then it's like oh you needed that but like you say is like it would have been

[00:38:04] good to have you on your link tree on your website and have all this other stuff that was

[00:38:10] long overdue but like you say it's also just so infuriating because it takes up so much

[00:38:15] time so that you don't have so oh i wish the best to anybody who explores this

[00:38:22] it's a free job that we do to entertain yes it pays nothing it pays nothing but better later

[00:38:37] a little bit well yeah it costs you money the 300 dollar fee annual okay yeah man that's true but

[00:38:44] i've lost track of we pay to entertain you

[00:38:51] we pay to entertain you but i like you got gals's style and i like how you

[00:38:56] posted on the social media and promote it it's not clickbaity it's very to the point um and

[00:39:03] these are uncomfortable topics but someone's got to report them so i applaud you for that

[00:39:08] um i just did it again that's what i do when i'm nervous uh so uh what's funny is how

[00:39:18] it just you're not you're never really sure how much time you're going to spend just to

[00:39:24] research per episode and that goes for any kind of podcast entertainment documentary anything

[00:39:30] it's just like but you'll you'll know when you're there when you look at all your notes

[00:39:34] and you're like i got enough for five hours and then go

[00:39:41] so we actually just did we did the 27 club which has a lot a lot of uh a lot more people

[00:39:50] than you think on that list um so we took the most uh recognizable celebrities and musicians

[00:39:59] on the list for those who don't know that is about celebrities who died at said age

[00:40:05] yeah and uh it was almost two hours and we were going to do two episodes but in the end

[00:40:13] with jen editing she realized it was it's just going to be one very long episode

[00:40:19] unfortunately unfortunately but fortunately unfortunately yeah it's it's a lot

[00:40:26] yeah it was just way more content than we thought would be in one episode

[00:40:32] i was gonna be like 10 people and you're like nope there's no stars in that person

[00:40:37] it wasn't even how many people because we only had six people that we covered

[00:40:42] but it got out of hand really quickly just briefly talking about each of them because

[00:40:47] you're like well i mean it makes sense that they died but also we need to talk about this

[00:40:54] for 10 or 15 minutes yeah we actually could have done a whole episode on a few of them

[00:41:03] um like kurt cobain and uh amy winehouse could have been episodes in themselves that could

[00:41:08] have been a mini series yeah um who do you who were you most impressed by were you like wow

[00:41:14] talk about an invaluable talent jim morrison i'm gonna say yeah yeah so he he could have been

[00:41:22] a whole episode too um absolutely there it was a lot so nice nice

[00:41:35] well what do you think uh you'd like to tackle in the future as well

[00:41:44] um so we were talking about our our next season and um what did we say jen we were

[00:41:51] going to do um uh earlier we were i forget

[00:41:58] so we said we were gonna do this and now i don't remember so we were going to do

[00:42:02] at least you didn't say uh five thousand times like me anyway

[00:42:09] yeah no movies could be fun i mean it'd be awesome if someone explored difficult to work

[00:42:14] with filmmakers who were kind of borderline psychotic

[00:42:20] yeah there was something between i yeah there definitely was and where they're sociopathic

[00:42:27] we were talking about paranormal paranormal that's that's it yeah so we were going to do

[00:42:33] paranormal next um so uh and i think there there's unlimited content on hauntings um and

[00:42:44] the paranormal for sure so i i think that that's just there's just a never-ending

[00:42:55] need to know about the unknown basically i just never want to do aliens i don't want to do

[00:43:06] right he's no aliens are you afraid they're gonna come oh i don't know in the middle of the

[00:43:13] night you know they're all listening they're gonna touch your butt no matter what you do

[00:43:21] now yeah let's take a twist

[00:43:29] trigger warning

[00:43:32] don't sue me you'll just have to bleep me out now i don't do that i believe in freedom of speech

[00:43:43] but that's another interesting topic too how often you'll go on a website and some of

[00:43:48] this plays into true crime is like wow this person had no

[00:43:54] differentiation on the difference between

[00:43:58] speaking my mind versus being a jerk like do you see what you just typed up i feel like

[00:44:05] gamers played that a lot as well it's like speaking of which some of them go into true

[00:44:11] crime as well this is like oh you wanted to kill that guy because they kicked your butt

[00:44:16] at a video game it's not real you don't know how this works and i do get into ire of seeing

[00:44:24] politicians trying to ban stuff that they don't even know how it works but they

[00:44:27] play catered to all the ignorant parents oh my stupid self brought this game into my

[00:44:34] kid's world but i could have looked at the rating and known that was not a good idea

[00:44:41] the game didn't kill your kid or make your kid kill people your kid just did that all by

[00:44:46] themselves in your neglect you know well don't get me started i don't know if anyone has seen

[00:44:54] this but speaking of back to true crime um i don't know if you've seen um what's happening

[00:45:02] in the scott peterson case i just heard about it comes up once in a while

[00:45:11] that and casey anthony all here stuff on and i'm like interesting oh i got words about casey

[00:45:17] anthony those two the i feel like some of this is kind of like the for me it's kind of like

[00:45:26] the when people asked me to take a side in the amber herd and johnny depp thing and i was

[00:45:31] like i don't i don't root for either side i'd like to just withholding each other's cannibal

[00:45:37] but everyone was like what do you mean i'm like you gotta pick a side i'm like i

[00:45:41] the media wants you to pick a side i don't have to pick shit i don't know these people i don't

[00:45:46] i'm not convinced by either one they sound very terrible or very flawed and yeah peterson

[00:45:53] i don't know anthony i don't know all i know is they look very creepy with how they've been

[00:45:57] portrayed in the media so i'm just like i'm i'm not going to touch it all of the detectives

[00:46:01] figured out what's your guys's take i think they so yeah and his his um his sister-in-law

[00:46:12] not not on the wife's side this is his brother's wife um she's been trying for

[00:46:20] ever to prove his innocence i'm sorry this guy is not innocent he just is not

[00:46:27] he has been trying and trying and trying and trying to prove his innocence it's kind of like

[00:46:34] charles man saying i'm insane you can't kill me i'm like oh we could right okay but what if he

[00:46:40] what if he wasn't guilty just i mean like just for okay so let's just put all that aside

[00:46:46] yeah okay let's say they aren't for argument's sake then you can make the argument and i i'm

[00:46:53] going to tread lightly on this you could make the argument that they got just shitty representation

[00:46:58] because i do feel like that plays into a lot of this stuff now i don't know i think with

[00:47:03] scott peterson the thing is is that in order for me to you to convince me that he's innocent

[00:47:09] i'm going to need something way better than this well like i'm going to need who actually

[00:47:20] really then murdered her that's what i'm going to need to in order to convey i someone the if

[00:47:27] he didn't do it i want to know who did other that's uh that's a beyond valid point yeah because

[00:47:33] i do feel like half the time and let i mean the closest i've done to any kind of legal

[00:47:39] representation in recent has been off the record uh no they did not pay me to rep them

[00:47:45] but you know to get a traffic you know violation off my record but i do feel like half the time

[00:47:54] they will pair you with someone you're like we're not really communicating properly what's

[00:47:57] going on here you know and i i do feel like shitty person or not there do seem to be a

[00:48:04] lot of people are like did you guys even talk this over what your defense was going to be but

[00:48:09] i do agree also that sometimes i will hear i will feel like i'm hearing regurgitation is

[00:48:14] the same thing i'm like well that's a lot you so in other words you have no alibi that's a lot

[00:48:20] of lucky coincidences what's really going on here this feels like a bad episode of boston legal

[00:48:25] what are we doing here but it has happened in the past that people are exonerated because

[00:48:31] they do find out their dna or whatever that they that they're innocent and they spent however

[00:48:38] many years in jail because like all of the circumstantial evidence i mean there could have

[00:48:43] been a mountain of circumstantial evidence that said this person was guilty and they still ended

[00:48:49] up not being guilty so it happens i know yeah that's true too i i do get annoyed when people

[00:48:55] speak too soon i'm like hold on wait a second you know they just got off but let's

[00:49:02] imagine being that that guy though who's just going about his life right

[00:49:07] people from either political side who will accuse the other doing bad things but if it's one of their

[00:49:12] guys they stand by their man so to speak and it's like well hold on your lack of double standards

[00:49:17] is also playing into this bias so it's it is yeah like you say it you do want to take it

[00:49:23] with a grain of salt instead just of the whole you know guilty and proven you know innocent

[00:49:28] and vice versa is like well let's let's wait a while let's make sure for certain nothing's

[00:49:33] gonna hit us in the butt you know 10 years down the road and we're like whoa

[00:49:39] we believe that awful person's lies but i do feel like even with these statutory limitations

[00:49:45] i am with most of these cases i'm like get that dna test get that you know semen test

[00:49:51] get that all these other tests that need to happen to instead of the you know i one side

[00:50:00] accusing the other of you know something bad it's like well if you interacted or wronged

[00:50:06] each other let's see what's in your bloodstream you know it can't be that hard to get a warrant

[00:50:13] for a dna test yeah and what about the the the cases with the dna that doesn't match anyone

[00:50:24] like i would love to hear more about those yeah i don't everyone's uncomfortable

[00:50:30] that they cannot figure out who this dna belongs to and it's it's terrible because

[00:50:37] john may never yeah yeah they just don't know and it's and the media doesn't know they don't

[00:50:44] they want to lead you astray on clickbait or someone who they can villainize and it's like

[00:50:51] well hold on now you're polluting it even more it's like let's let's see what's on the record

[00:50:57] and let's actually get a beginning middle and into this i think some of these cases though

[00:51:03] even some of these huge cases they know who is guilty of the crime but they don't have the

[00:51:09] evidence to do anything about it so in right that aspect they're never going to be solved

[00:51:17] you know there's not it's not like more evidence is going to come to it's unlikely let's know that

[00:51:22] that's a good point too it it is kind of almost like some of those kid shooters that were kind

[00:51:28] of a case every once in a while is like who do you you got to send now the da's deal is

[00:51:33] to send someone to prison so who do we send now do we send the parent to jail do we send

[00:51:38] you know some other enabler or person who had intent to murder or destroy or

[00:51:46] injure and harm it is this gets into even more gray areas it's like so we're not punishing the

[00:51:52] guy or gal who did it but we're punishing someone else who's a loose accomplice it

[00:52:00] definitely gets even more confusing it's like and man it's not getting any easier i don't

[00:52:07] think but you tell me any child any child who murders i to to blame the parent that's tough

[00:52:20] you know i can understand maybe if they're verbally abusive or really neglectful or

[00:52:28] even brainwashing you into doing shitty things like shooting animals and then it escalates

[00:52:33] now you're shooting humans but uh yeah it's then there's other times where it's perfectly nice

[00:52:40] person but go ahead sorry i mean to be fair there's a lot of abused kids out there that

[00:52:48] they murder or mass murders a lot a lot so come on i mean there has to be something wrong

[00:52:57] to begin with totally you know and even though we've introduced people all this sociopathic

[00:53:04] stuff i feel like everyone is still especially these gun companies keep saying oh it's a mental

[00:53:11] health issue i'm like no that would be mental illness but even then you're encouraging people

[00:53:17] to buy guns and shoot whatever so that's not someone's got to be done about those ones as

[00:53:23] well i do feel like there needs to be more safety meetings there there needs to be a bit

[00:53:28] as many gun safety ads as there are you know go buy a gun endorsed by a famous celebrity who's

[00:53:37] you know cuckoo it's like i have nothing wrong with people who want to own a gun but

[00:53:44] i would say the fear-mongering causes even more rupturing before any of this escalates

[00:53:52] because if you have people who are bigoted or overprotective or just insecure they're going

[00:54:00] to find do whatever they can to excuse hey you know i shot someone in public who i just didn't

[00:54:05] like their face or i had intent to kill but i found a way to where i could claim oh they

[00:54:11] were on my property or you know just something else that but that that i'm going into a whole

[00:54:18] wormhole yeah there are so many other scenarios where i just look at it like

[00:54:24] uh there was zimmerman that one businessman i don't know if you ever heard about

[00:54:30] uh uh who did he shoot was it

[00:54:38] yeah george zimmerman he shot trevon marten okay yeah and i thought that was a perfect

[00:54:44] example of privilege where you just saw the oh shit look on his face and you're like

[00:54:50] that this dude robs you okay yeah that was wrong but you hunted him down

[00:54:57] you went all freaking dirty hairy on his ass you know you're the murderer technically in this

[00:55:02] and i so many people and they did not want to talk about the uh some of these other latest

[00:55:09] shootings have been uh just so upsetting honestly it's it's difficult because and i if i say i were

[00:55:19] to carry a gun have a permit to carry a gun let's say in this scenario you are armed okay sure

[00:55:25] let's go with that so even in my own home and breaks into my i live in new york state and

[00:55:32] someone breaks into my home and i shoot them i can still be in trouble i can still get charged

[00:55:39] for shootings absolutely entered my home they can sue me if i don't i do the family is going

[00:55:47] to try this even though you've entered my home that's how it is here in new york state

[00:55:51] oh and like you know so i would be terrified with gun laws too so yeah if they find any

[00:55:57] violation if they find you shot this person but you had an update to your license i mean

[00:56:03] i work in security and i have had several times had to so-called so to speak police the other

[00:56:09] security guards and say i see you doing that i am writing you up don't be a super cop do not

[00:56:16] harass an individual you are here to report a problem not to instigate or argue with people

[00:56:24] because then that makes us all look bad and it the only thing right you have as a security guard is

[00:56:32] you can sue for being assaulted just like a cop could and probably win that's it you you cannot

[00:56:39] instigate or threaten people or taser them especially if your company has not endorsed

[00:56:44] that or enabled that so guess what they're not going to back you up in court they're

[00:56:48] going to be like hey one of our guys here is screwy let's fire him

[00:56:53] or sue him for breach of contract then what so yeah now it's it's very worrisome and

[00:57:01] yeah it's it opens up your eyes though too to just how so many people kind of want to

[00:57:10] have danger come to their door in some capacity and it's like well

[00:57:15] if you keep pursuing this and you don't show proof that you filed a police report or you

[00:57:20] falsified evidence then guess what you're you're you're just as bad if not worse than

[00:57:26] whoever else tried to do a petty crime to you so it's i i yeah i would love to see people

[00:57:33] just talk more about this uh the kyle i had to unfriend so many people on social media

[00:57:38] after the kyle riddenhouse thing because it was just so upsetting to me i'm like

[00:57:43] it's not self-defense if you went to another state with intent to kill this is like

[00:57:51] but so many people are like oh no he's just he's helping out his community i'm like he

[00:57:56] again like zimmerman he hunted down someone who he didn't like on another person who was on

[00:58:02] the record as having a mental illness and he just decided i'm gonna shoot him and he was

[00:58:08] enabled by some other cops who turned all these protests into riots so it's like

[00:58:14] people need to educate themselves about blm instead of jumping on the back the blue or every

[00:58:20] protesters a terrorist bullshit but yeah riddenhouse is definitely a perfect example of

[00:58:30] a privileged individual who decided he was untouchable and he could do whatever he wanted

[00:58:40] sorry i just really took a turn it's just very sad how we do have to educate each other on

[00:58:45] just so many other topics and yeah no and i'm not really sure what's next but no thank you

[00:58:53] for suggesting some of these other podcasts they're already on my podbean app

[00:58:56] okay uh it kind of i think as earlier as i thought of the dangers of the world it would

[00:59:04] have been during our first halloween my parents were really the kings and queens of what any

[00:59:09] good parents should do which is just check in making sure the candy hadn't been tampered with

[00:59:15] but i do feel like there are so many other dangers we just don't even know how to address

[00:59:20] um i got a great martial artist podcaster buddy who has a great book on how to fight

[00:59:25] bullies and his motto is be the bigger shark because what do sharks prey on they prey on the

[00:59:33] weak and what he would do was kind of similar to what our folks would do he would kind of

[00:59:41] check us out during lunch break make sure you know bullies aren't following one's kid

[00:59:46] to a library or a less occupied hallway and i feel like a lot of these true crime

[00:59:53] and even history podcasts open up a lot of that same kind of dialogue which is any under

[01:00:02] insecure unsecured area or place that's probably bound to explode sometime soon should probably be

[01:00:08] addressed sooner rather than later you know i mean don't get me started on your ball day

[01:00:12] how none of those precautions were updated for years and you know i feel like a lot of our

[01:00:19] safety regulations are out of whack it's like who do i call to instead of take the courage

[01:00:25] as a victim to you know go and file a report or do something else that's very

[01:00:32] not guaranteed to have any you know results you know and i i feel much like with ptsd we're

[01:00:40] seeing a lot of people who are callous and they're like why did this victim not come forth

[01:00:44] it's like well it's humiliating frankly and if you don't think anything's going to be done

[01:00:51] about it then you kind of don't speak up you know it's like yeah i was touched inappropriately

[01:00:56] by a famous celebrity once upon a time but no one would believe me it's like so i think me

[01:01:01] too was a big eye opener um i was really surprised that a lot of the people being

[01:01:06] tried by new york last november i was like whoa a lot of people done fucked up

[01:01:16] i knew that guy was a jerk i knew he was an asshole that guy whoa yikes no idea um so yeah

[01:01:28] we can find you guys on twitter uh or else on instagram as well or yeah so we're on well we're

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[01:02:15] can it not we're talking about you know subject matter but i'm just glad you were able to refer

[01:02:18] me to some some stuff that's just again kind of more comedic narration mixed in with

[01:02:26] educating us about awful past of society so no that was good yeah you guys are welcome back

[01:02:33] anytime we'll probably do something more lighter we'll we'll look into some other

[01:02:37] documentaries or entertainment we can cover probably you know even music okay you guys had

[01:02:41] some good picks and we'll we'll see what we can do but i'm good yeah no you guys stay safe

[01:02:47] out there i'll keep updating you and when this drops it'll definitely be during a

[01:02:52] crimes themed week um the only if there's anything more horrific than a horror movie

[01:02:59] it's the true crimes of the world so um thank you all for being on here and

[01:03:05] thanks for having us anytime i was looking forward to it i was like i'm not sure how we're

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[01:04:19] find yourself thinking about who would win a fight between goku and superman hi i'm james

[01:04:24] gavsey and on the who would win show me and my co-host ray ignore anything important

[01:04:28] happening in the outside world and debate fictional battles between characters from comics

[01:04:32] movies and video games we got a new show every week and almost always am i the winner yeah not

[01:04:37] true ray in the past we've discussed such matches as captain america versus darth vader solid snake

[01:04:43] versus the iron giant classic matchups like robo cop versus terminator and even the muppets

[01:04:49] versus sesame street that one was crazy so if you're a fan of geek culture and love a

[01:04:55] spirited debate check out the who would win show wherever you get your podcast or check

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