Philip K. Dick Double Feature: Total Recall (1990) & Minority Report (with Corey Stevenson & Co!)

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[00:00:13] What would you do if you discovered somebody stole your mind and there was only one way to get it back?

[00:00:29] Arnold Schwarzenegger.

[00:00:30] Get ready for a surprise.

[00:00:32] Total Recall. Total Excitement.

[00:00:36] I lost it!

[00:00:36] There!

[00:00:37] Pass in your seatbelt.

[00:00:40] Total Adventure.

[00:00:42] You guys are trouble!

[00:00:44] I've you done it!

[00:00:47] Total Experience.

[00:00:49] Get ready for the big surprise.

[00:00:51] You wouldn't hurt me. After all, we're married.

[00:00:54] Total Schwarzenegger.

[00:00:56] Consider that a divorce.

[00:00:58] Total Recall.

[00:01:00] Welcome to Mars.

[00:01:02] In this world, when you steal a man's mind, erase his memory and give him another identity.

[00:01:11] Who the hell am I?

[00:01:12] The most dangerous thing that can happen...

[00:01:14] You think this is the real Quade?

[00:01:16] ...is Total Recall.

[00:01:18] It is.

[00:01:19] Arnold Schwarzenegger.

[00:01:21] Total Recall.

[00:01:23] Arnold Schwarzenegger.

[00:01:23] Get ready for a surprise!

[00:01:25] Chief Detective John Anderton set up the perfect crime force.

[00:01:37] People trust you, John.

[00:01:38] But now...

[00:01:39] I have a warrant in my pocket that says murder.

[00:01:40] Seems you've been left out of the loop, John.

[00:01:42] He has to run from it.

[00:01:44] He set me up!

[00:01:45] On June 21st, you can't hide.

[00:01:47] It's gonna the entire area read anything with eyes and a heartbeat.

[00:01:49] So get ready to run.

[00:01:52] Tom Cruise.

[00:01:53] Steven Spielberg.

[00:01:55] Minority Report.

[00:01:56] Rough landing.

[00:01:57] You have to work on that.

[00:02:02] We missed.

[00:02:04] We loaded it.

[00:02:06] We edited it.

[00:02:10] Sometimes we get so deep into conversation that we have separate segments worthy of their

[00:02:16] own place in the sun.

[00:02:18] Here is a reshuffled mini-episode.

[00:02:40] And we're back.

[00:02:41] Here to join me in in just more, you know, 10 best in a filmmaker's catalog is

[00:02:47] Podcasting After Dark, Corey Stevenson.

[00:02:50] Woo!

[00:02:50] This was not an easy filmmaker to cast.

[00:02:52] There's many Verhoeven fans and some of them haven't seen even some of the better known

[00:02:58] ones.

[00:02:58] It always amazes me how many people I encounter who still haven't seen Total Recall or given

[00:03:04] some of his So Bad They're Good movies like Showgirls.

[00:03:06] So it's just like, man, okay, really?

[00:03:08] Okay.

[00:03:08] Uh, so, uh, he's just been one.

[00:03:12] How did you come into him?

[00:03:13] Was, did, you know, he, his movies.

[00:03:16] How did I discover Verhoeven?

[00:03:17] Right.

[00:03:18] He was pretty easy to find at the video stores and the movie channels, but you know, he would

[00:03:23] just always come up and he was a very satirical Dutch filmmaker, long to the careers of Rutger

[00:03:28] Howard and cinematographer turned director, Jen DeBond, uh, movie batty Jerome Crabb.

[00:03:35] He's always been one of those.

[00:03:37] He's just kind of just came out of nowhere.

[00:03:39] But, uh, how, how did you just personally just kind of cherish him?

[00:03:42] I, I did quote unquote discovered.

[00:03:44] He, he landed in my lap when I was nine years old and my dad took me to go see RoboCop.

[00:03:50] And, uh, and it was, that was, it was fun, but it was a bit harrowing.

[00:04:00] But my dad also kind of came from a divorce family, you know, latchkey kid, the total

[00:04:05] eighties, nine yards, the whole nine yards of the eighties.

[00:04:08] And my dad and I bonded by going to movies together and inappropriate movies, uh, age wise

[00:04:15] for me, because he took me to see aliens when I was like eight years old.

[00:04:19] I saw a predator in the theater when I was like eight or nine and RoboCop.

[00:04:23] And, um, for the most part, uh, like my dad, while he doesn't really know anything about

[00:04:28] film, he did a good job of sort of explaining to me how like the blood shots work, like how

[00:04:33] people got shot and everything and, and, and the blood packets.

[00:04:37] But I could not figure out how a dude melted on screen.

[00:04:40] And that blew my mind.

[00:04:42] Oh, and that, that, that is neat.

[00:04:44] You know, and I, you kind of need that.

[00:04:45] You know, I would always have my mother say, I think this is how they film sex scenes.

[00:04:48] I've always had my dad say, you know, this was a big deal at this time, you know, no one

[00:04:53] had seen slow motion like this before.

[00:04:55] So everyone has a bit of film history in them or remembers a certain movie because it

[00:04:59] was just, you know, it had a certain, uh, reaction to it a certain way.

[00:05:04] If you mentioned something, everyone instantly goes, Oh, it's been a decade since I heard

[00:05:09] that one, you know, for better or worse.

[00:05:11] And so his movies have a certain appeal and you've seen him multiple times.

[00:05:14] And so you had his satire is eventually kind of met its mark.

[00:05:19] And at the same time, some of his over the top stuff has really struck a chord with people

[00:05:24] who are watching it, you know, I'd refer, you know, the content or emotionally or just

[00:05:29] plot wise, you know, he has so many different layers.

[00:05:32] And so he's, he's definitely the kind of onion that you don't expect.

[00:05:36] He is.

[00:05:37] And, and also like you mentioned satire and he's, he's Dutch.

[00:05:41] So that's like, it's kind of perfect for him to make American films because he's viewing

[00:05:46] at our ridiculousness, especially back in the eighties.

[00:05:50] Um, and in what he's seen, he's viewing it from an outsider's perspective, which you

[00:05:54] couldn't ask for anything better because it just, it offers a whole new perspective on

[00:05:59] things and yet still feels very American because what he's, what he's talking about,

[00:06:03] especially in movies like Robocop and everything where he uses, um, the media in, in that world,

[00:06:09] like in world media, like news and stuff like that to illustrate what's happening, you know,

[00:06:14] in the world that he is building.

[00:06:15] And that's another sort of trope that, that I kind of, I think that was around before him,

[00:06:20] obviously, but he really hammered that home as a, as a really a good way to sort of like showing

[00:06:26] commercials on TV is a great way to build the world that these characters inhabit.

[00:06:31] And it seems like he really nailed that home with movies like Robocop and whatnot.

[00:06:36] I couldn't have said it better myself.

[00:06:38] Robocop is the first one we could definitely launch into because I mean,

[00:06:41] it not only sets up his style for the rest of his career, but it also, like you say,

[00:06:46] it's great from a inspiring, you know, filmmaker standpoint.

[00:06:49] It's great from other kinds of movie buffs to, you know, observe, you know, just,

[00:06:54] if you're going to have anyone talk about anything,

[00:06:56] you want to have someone who's like a scientist or doctor give some exposition.

[00:06:59] So it doesn't feel like crap. You know, there's a reason to give you all this information and newscast.

[00:07:06] There's definitely secondary. You want to have some kind of opposition.

[00:07:08] What does the world think of this character is like, well, just look on the,

[00:07:12] have a character look on the TV screen, you know?

[00:07:14] Yeah. And, and all of that is, is, is great.

[00:07:17] If he didn't have such a fantastic eye for special effects.

[00:07:21] He's, he's also a great director because the acting in Robocop is fantastic.

[00:07:25] And, you know, at the end of the day, that is the director's number one job is to direct the actors.

[00:07:30] And, but he does a great job of it.

[00:07:33] Remarkable how relevant Robocop still is.

[00:07:37] And it's, that's scary too.

[00:07:40] Absolutely. That's exactly how I feel with many of the various political fillers, spy movies, and even other corporate and assassin type, you know, thrillers.

[00:07:51] I look at them recently and I'm like, holy crap, we have not evolved as a society.

[00:07:57] They would just have like a certain just remark and everything is like, I know they intended that way, but you could use it this way.

[00:08:02] You know, that's how we're approaching terrorism.

[00:08:05] That's how we're approaching, you know, again, society, societal norms.

[00:08:09] Yeah. That's pretty, pretty appalling is like entertainment mirroring today's world.

[00:08:14] Exactly. Exactly.

[00:08:16] Now, unfortunately, I do not know his, his Dutch work as much.

[00:08:20] So I will mostly be commenting on his, his American stuff, but I love it.

[00:08:26] I love it. And then looking through his IMDB, you know, it's funny, you know, going into this, looking into his IMDB.

[00:08:32] I thought he had more movies than he had done, you know, because he's to me, he's such a big name.

[00:08:39] But, you know, picking my, my top five are kind of the five that I love the most from him.

[00:08:44] I kind of show girls, probably the only one that didn't really make my list.

[00:08:48] I just, I didn't see.

[00:08:50] So like, I essentially like everything that I see of his, you do you see what I'm saying?

[00:08:55] And I didn't, I didn't realize that.

[00:08:56] I, first off, I knew there was a lot of Dutch stuff that I hadn't seen.

[00:09:00] Um, um, as a, as a content producer, it's kind of hard to, to consume content as well.

[00:09:06] Um, so, so I've been wanting to watch his Dutch stuff, but I didn't have a chance to, but I was a little bit surprised.

[00:09:12] Cause like, Oh, okay, let me pull my top five.

[00:09:14] And I'm like, Oh, what's pretty much all of his five that he made in America, you know, in the U S and, uh, you know, show girls.

[00:09:22] So I was like, Oh, okay.

[00:09:23] So I, I guess I just love everything he does.

[00:09:26] And probably I'll probably love his, his Dutch stuff too.

[00:09:28] I just haven't been exposed to it really yet.

[00:09:31] Well, and it doesn't help that long story short, even though the criterion collection and all those people have, you know, released some of his stuff stateside, you know, I pretty much still had to use online for, to just come across this stuff.

[00:09:44] Cause it's just so out the ass expensive and, and you can't even find it regularly.

[00:09:50] Like even at a best buy or eBay, you know, it's just like, it's just, it's sold out so fast or just limited supplies, you know?

[00:09:58] Like, yeah.

[00:09:59] Uh, it's so unreal.

[00:10:01] Total recall is definitely one that I see kind of the most imitated, the go-to for people making a cyberpunk sci-fi stuff.

[00:10:07] Cause in recent years, people have realized it doesn't have to be just direct to video, you know, goofy made for TV, B movie or TV show.

[00:10:13] It can actually be a big, big scale movie.

[00:10:17] And Mr. Quaid, try to calm down.

[00:10:21] My name is not quite.

[00:10:24] They stole his mind.

[00:10:27] He erased your identity and implanted a new one.

[00:10:30] Now he wants it back.

[00:10:33] We can't let him run around.

[00:10:34] He knows too much.

[00:10:35] There!

[00:10:35] Get ready for the ride of your life.

[00:10:38] Please fasten your seatbelt.

[00:10:40] Arnold Schwarzenegger.

[00:10:42] Total recall.

[00:10:43] Please fasten your seatbelt.

[00:10:45] This summer,

[00:10:46] Welcome to Mars.

[00:10:48] Let Arnold Schwarzenegger.

[00:10:49] Great.

[00:10:50] You got a lot of nerves showing your face around here.

[00:10:53] Look who's talking.

[00:10:54] Show you a side of Mars that no one on Earth has ever seen before.

[00:11:03] Arnold Schwarzenegger.

[00:11:04] You think this is the real Quaid?

[00:11:06] Total recall.

[00:11:07] It is.

[00:11:11] Recall, you know, they definitely influenced a lot by, and unfortunately it doesn't matter how you market it.

[00:11:16] At the end of the day, nowadays everyone has to market it more kind of like Inception or Matrix, but it's overall the same general crowd.

[00:11:22] Yeah.

[00:11:23] People who like those kind of mixture of genres and just, like you say, this is a bigger, more far, this is basically the Omni, you know, Robocop Corporation, you know, if it's more than just, you know, you know, well, that futuristic, you know, Earth Society.

[00:11:44] This is, you know, if they went to Mars.

[00:11:47] Yeah.

[00:11:47] Like they're running the entire Mars, essentially.

[00:11:49] It would be if Omni, yeah, Consumer Corps was running Mars and it's like one guy against the entire planet versus one cyborg guy versus, you know, just a corporation.

[00:11:59] But yeah, it is that concept escalated bigger, you know, and, you know, I still think we're going in that direction.

[00:12:07] It's, you know, it's the aliens scenario where corporations, a whale and uttany is going to own the planets that we go to in the future and it'll be, you know, Amazon planet and, you know, and lift planet, Uber planet, crap like that, you know, stupid shit like that.

[00:12:24] And, you know, like goes to Mars.

[00:12:26] Exactly.

[00:12:26] Exactly.

[00:12:27] That's basically what recall is.

[00:12:30] But I will say I would be remiss if I didn't mention that I almost can never say the words two weeks without afterwards putting my hands in my mouth going two weeks.

[00:12:42] And, you know, if I'm in public, people are like, well, what are you doing?

[00:12:44] That's weird.

[00:12:45] And I'm like, I can't.

[00:12:46] You don't understand.

[00:12:47] I can't hear or say the words two weeks without doing that.

[00:12:52] You're right.

[00:12:53] It is just one of those is like, OK, just referencing a movie.

[00:12:59] I'm sorry you've got your you're stuck on up your ass about this, please.

[00:13:04] Watch the movie.

[00:13:05] You'll know what I mean when you see it.

[00:13:07] And most people do know the two weeks.

[00:13:10] They because a lot of times like are you doing total recall?

[00:13:13] Yes.

[00:13:14] Yes.

[00:13:14] Thank God.

[00:13:15] I'm not so fortunate.

[00:13:17] The most I'm going to get is how do you quit?

[00:13:20] And they're like, oh, you're in this fight?

[00:13:21] No.

[00:13:22] How do you quit?

[00:13:23] Oh, you're still not getting it.

[00:13:25] Fuck you.

[00:13:26] Yeah.

[00:13:26] That's another one.

[00:13:27] If I hear the name Quaid, like Randy Quaid or something, I'll have to go.

[00:13:31] Right.

[00:13:32] It'd be like Quato.

[00:13:34] Exactly.

[00:13:35] You got to emphasize it.

[00:13:36] It's like how do you?

[00:13:38] How do you?

[00:13:39] And I know if I was quite, I never wanted to touch Quato's hand because I hated how wet it looked.

[00:13:44] Oh, God.

[00:13:46] I hate you, Quato.

[00:13:47] I hate you.

[00:13:48] Yeah.

[00:13:50] And apparently the ABC TV version of this when it premiered back in the day was very confusing.

[00:13:55] You know how violent the scene is when he's almost terminated by one of his co-workers and it, you know, ends in the death in the alleyway is when he first kills.

[00:14:02] And he's all freaking out.

[00:14:03] He's all gory and anything.

[00:14:04] He's muscular, but he is not used to this.

[00:14:07] And it's just it's both funny and just, you know, shocking.

[00:14:11] And, you know, it's one of those they just knock him out.

[00:14:14] And you go to commercial break and then you come back.

[00:14:17] Apparently, I had various people tell me about this on the forums and he's already running again.

[00:14:21] Like, what did I miss?

[00:14:24] There's like we can't fix this for TV.

[00:14:26] We're just going to cut it out completely.

[00:14:28] There's no there were no alternate frames of this.

[00:14:30] And so it's so funny how Arrow's version of RoboCop, as well as Universal's recent party edition of stuff like Scarface have embraced this.

[00:14:40] It's been so cool to where you can jump to the TV edits as well as the kill counters.

[00:14:45] And yeah, I mean, yeah.

[00:14:47] Yeah.

[00:14:48] With like with pop culture, I feel like, you know, Yippee-Ki-Yay, Mr. Falcon was was probably like one of the first like the first time when like like that is such like a deep cut, you know, pop culture.

[00:15:01] But yeah.

[00:15:01] Yeah.

[00:15:02] But people could like, you know, but the stiffs as as Vinkman would call them, the stiffs, you know, they would get it.

[00:15:08] They would understand.

[00:15:09] And but I love how now we as as film nerds have like, yeah, we've we've embraced these these things that we hated as a kid.

[00:15:16] We all hated the TV edit.

[00:15:17] But now that we're older and we've seen RoboCop a thousand times, right?

[00:15:20] Well, crap.

[00:15:20] I don't know.

[00:15:21] Let's see what the TV edit has.

[00:15:22] And because it has a bunch of amazing stuff in it, you know, like even exclusive scenes that are even in the deleted scenes.

[00:15:30] There's apparently that's the case with the perfect weapon there.

[00:15:33] You actually hear Mariska Hargaday actually talk.

[00:15:36] She doesn't talk in the American and the, you know, theatrical version.

[00:15:40] So, you know, like you say, there's just all this stuff is like I wish they would release an extended version of these movies because those who got introduced to do on regular TV, you know, that was all we had.

[00:15:50] And like you say, sometimes you would just watch the movie because you've seen a billion times and you're bored and you just want to see it.

[00:15:55] I would commonly sell a total recall on there.

[00:15:57] And it was always a lot of fun.

[00:15:59] And TNT occasionally still shows it late at night at 2 a.m.

[00:16:03] And it is one of those is like you can see where they're making the edits, but it's not intrusive.

[00:16:09] But it is one of those is like it's kind of darkly even more humorous.

[00:16:14] It's like, oh, I see what you did.

[00:16:15] No one knows that the stabbing death is way more graphic.

[00:16:19] There's blood spurting all over Arnold's face.

[00:16:24] And it's normally I don't like animal deaths, but the rat death is actually very hysterical.

[00:16:29] It's just because it just illustrates the villains more.

[00:16:32] Yeah.

[00:16:32] You know, to them, that's all Arnold's character is just another rat.

[00:16:36] Yeah.

[00:16:37] This movie does do a good job of showing how just because they're a corporate ruthless corporation doesn't mean they're good at their job.

[00:16:43] They are sloppy.

[00:16:44] They're not trying to hide their presence.

[00:16:46] They're just trying.

[00:16:47] They're basically both the police and everything else.

[00:16:49] So they're just basically for all we know, they're probably killing the families of these widows and all these other people.

[00:16:55] Yeah, exactly.

[00:16:56] Or killing.

[00:16:57] And if they're not killing them, then they're just paying them off.

[00:16:59] It's like, we're so sorry.

[00:17:00] We're so sorry.

[00:17:01] It won't happen again.

[00:17:02] You know, this is dark.

[00:17:03] Watching this in a Black Lives Matter post economy is like Jesus.

[00:17:08] So they're not only just shooting on sight, but people laugh about seeing, you know, the laser sights and everything.

[00:17:14] These guys, I mean, they can't even point the lasers right way, but they illustrate that perfectly.

[00:17:19] I mean, the the co-workers who are in on the pay, you know, they're not good at killing Arnold.

[00:17:24] They're just only good at just throwing a punch and talking shit.

[00:17:27] Bet you didn't expect that, did you?

[00:17:29] And so that gets you in the mood for all this over the topness and see today's movies.

[00:17:34] They just introduce over the top stuff, but they don't give you enough to get used to it to where you're like, OK, I know what I'm in for.

[00:17:41] Yeah.

[00:17:41] And it's just don't get me wrong.

[00:17:43] There's plenty of snobs who will argue about the silliest things.

[00:17:45] I'm like, seriously, you had a problem with that movie compared to this movie?

[00:17:49] I mean, the first 10 minutes should have been enough.

[00:17:52] You know, it should have told you what you're in store for right there.

[00:17:56] Yeah, I shouldn't.

[00:17:57] If you didn't know that it was going to be unrealistic, then you really are this dumb.

[00:18:02] But speaking of running, they're not only doing a bad job of running the planet, but this does kind of parody Arnold's previous roles with sci-fi like, you know, the violence of Terminator as well as the other cyberpunk adventure, The Running Man.

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[00:20:01] But I read Blade Runner in high school.

[00:20:03] So we're talking about the 90s.

[00:20:05] Around the time that the 92 DHS edition comes out where they wipe out the narration and put in the unicorn.

[00:20:12] And so I was like, okay, I'm going to read the book.

[00:20:14] So I checked it out from my local library and read it in Albuquerque during Christmas.

[00:20:18] And I was like, whoa.

[00:20:19] And the book takes like 92.

[00:20:21] And I – anyway.

[00:20:24] But it's funny.

[00:20:25] Philip K.

[00:20:25] Dick, it's like his relationship with Hollywood.

[00:20:27] In some ways, they took his core idea, especially Minority Report.

[00:20:31] Minority Report is a much better movie.

[00:20:33] It has Tom Cruise, of course.

[00:20:34] You know.

[00:20:36] Steven Spielberg.

[00:20:37] You know, good boy.

[00:20:38] Spielberg.

[00:20:39] I don't know who this guy is.

[00:20:40] But Spielberg made it.

[00:20:41] Some little guy.

[00:20:42] Little indie director.

[00:20:43] There's a funny history behind it.

[00:20:44] He's up with a shark once.

[00:20:45] Yeah, I know.

[00:20:46] Yeah, he's got to be chased by an alien and a shark and maybe a dinosaur.

[00:20:50] But – and it was so funny because when I saw Ready Player One, like it or hate it, I thought it was so funny.

[00:20:57] I'm looking at those cops that are in the background.

[00:20:59] Like, those are totally the pre-crime cops from Minority Report.

[00:21:02] Oh, sure.

[00:21:03] I swear those are the same costumes.

[00:21:05] It's the Spielberg Project.

[00:21:06] But Josh has seen it actually finally for the first time.

[00:21:09] I saw it today, yeah.

[00:21:10] He saw it today, finally.

[00:21:13] And I gave him a warning.

[00:21:14] Tom Cruise does run.

[00:21:15] But –

[00:21:16] Yeah.

[00:21:17] It is funny.

[00:21:18] They talk about running a lot in it, too.

[00:21:20] Absolutely.

[00:21:22] I'm pretty sure Schwarzenegger was cast for Total Recall just because he was in The Running Man.

[00:21:27] That's a different story.

[00:21:28] But it is funny for me, go ahead, go ahead.

[00:21:32] My Minority Report's the one where he – they try to stop crimes before they happen or they –

[00:21:38] Yeah.

[00:21:38] And he's the fugitive.

[00:21:40] But what a perfect way to – I can just picture them storyboarding it now.

[00:21:45] You see that eight ball and it's got all these visuals.

[00:21:51] And that's – it is almost like any crime prevention program.

[00:21:55] There's inevitably going to be a fault.

[00:21:56] It's like, well, we predicted too soon.

[00:21:58] Or, yes, he does kill that person.

[00:22:01] But that person was actually the bad apple.

[00:22:02] He wasn't.

[00:22:03] You know, it's –

[00:22:04] I expected it to be way more heavy-handed than it was.

[00:22:07] I was like, oh, that's actually pretty clever.

[00:22:08] Like, the reason why –

[00:22:09] Well, and he got Andrew – what's his name from –

[00:22:14] Weber.

[00:22:17] Not him.

[00:22:19] That'd be funny.

[00:22:20] I mean, the Colin Farrell, like –

[00:22:23] Andrew Nichols.

[00:22:24] Yeah, from Gattaca wrote the first draft.

[00:22:27] And then Spielberg hired this guy who had done some editorials on Homeland Security, showing how it ultimately doesn't work.

[00:22:33] But, yeah, that kind of saved Colin Farrell.

[00:22:37] You know, other than the Joel Schumacher movies, you know, that –

[00:22:39] 0203 was a –

[00:22:40] 0203, that's kind of when he and Ben Affleck were becoming internet punching bags.

[00:22:44] And I was like, eh, I don't see a problem with him.

[00:22:46] He can act.

[00:22:49] But, I mean, it's so fun seeing them experiment with noir in that.

[00:22:52] And my father would reference it every once in a while when he saw a cool new, like, computer screen being advertised by Apple.

[00:22:59] I was like, oh, look at those touchscreens and how they're working it.

[00:23:02] But, yeah, with Total Recall, that could have easily been a disaster.

[00:23:06] But I find it so funny how Paul Verhoeven –

[00:23:08] The reason Total Recall should have worked.

[00:23:09] It's because Paul Verhoeven.

[00:23:11] There we go.

[00:23:12] Look at this.

[00:23:12] Every Paul Verhoeven movie should not have worked.

[00:23:15] That was kind of my – that was my intro to so many actors.

[00:23:18] Ronnie Cox, Shred Stone, Michael Einstein.

[00:23:21] Yeah.

[00:23:21] Rachel Takodin, I'm still a fan of.

[00:23:24] Oh, he's also on Showgirls.

[00:23:26] Oh, yeah.

[00:23:27] I'm Showgirls.

[00:23:28] Oh.

[00:23:28] That's what he did next.

[00:23:30] I will be – I will love that and defend Showgirls until the day I die.

[00:23:34] It's fine, dude.

[00:23:35] We defend all kinds of movies here.

[00:23:38] We defend everything here.

[00:23:40] I defend.

[00:23:41] Gil has a few trashy movies he defends.

[00:23:43] I defend both.

[00:23:44] Hell yeah.

[00:23:44] It's all good.

[00:23:46] But you'll find this funny.

[00:23:48] For the longest time, you know, Minority Report was supposed to be that sequel to Total Recall.

[00:23:54] But – so I saw a funny editorial write-up of it once upon a time.

[00:23:59] I had a Verhoeven version of Minority Report.

[00:24:00] Oh, Paul Verhoeven was going to work on it.

[00:24:02] But then his former protege, Jan de Bont, who was a cinematographer working for him on all the Rutgerd Hauer epics and everything.

[00:24:12] You know, he goes to America, shoots other blockbusters for John McTernan like the original Die Hard and Hunt for Red October.

[00:24:19] Then he starts directing blockbusters like Twister and the Speed movies.

[00:24:23] But at one point, he's like, I want to do a Total Recall, you know, thing.

[00:24:27] Let's call it Minority Report.

[00:24:28] So he steals the rights away.

[00:24:29] And Verhoeven's like, ah, you bastard.

[00:24:31] I see what you did there.

[00:24:33] Thanks.

[00:24:34] But then it just languishes.

[00:24:36] And then eventually that's when Spielberg's people took it over.

[00:24:39] And Stephen's like, I want to make a totally different kind of movie.

[00:24:41] Just make a more thing where we just question, you know, crime solving in the future.

[00:24:48] You know, it's definitely more like Blade Runner than Recall.

[00:24:51] Jan de Bont was going to be the original director of Godzilla that night.

[00:24:56] Yeah.

[00:24:56] It came out.

[00:24:58] But the studios thought that it was too Japanese, the storyline.

[00:25:03] They want to make it more Americanized.

[00:25:04] They thought the monster was too Japanese.

[00:25:06] They want to like do something to the monster.

[00:25:07] That's when he started working on some other stuff.

[00:25:10] He went back to being.

[00:25:12] Yeah.

[00:25:13] After that, after 99, you see him as just like a producer because he was like involved at

[00:25:18] one point on movies like Equilibrium.

[00:25:20] And then he went back to his country, shot some.

[00:25:22] Liked Equilibrium.

[00:25:24] Yeah, it's a great film.

[00:25:25] But it is funny how.

[00:25:27] Yeah.

[00:25:27] I mean, Jan has said in recent interviews how he was glad he got out of the Hollywood

[00:25:31] system at that point because he just he felt like the studios X were not.

[00:25:37] He was done with Hollywood.

[00:25:39] That's why he makes lesbian nun movies now.

[00:25:42] Yes.

[00:25:42] That's actually a really good movie.

[00:25:44] But I saw.

[00:25:45] Benedetta.

[00:25:45] But it seemed.

[00:25:46] Yeah, Benedetta.

[00:25:47] But it's.

[00:25:47] Oh, my God.

[00:25:48] So good.

[00:25:48] I see critics going.

[00:25:50] Oh, he's trashy.

[00:25:50] I'm like, I wouldn't describe him as trashy.

[00:25:53] He's a satire guy.

[00:25:54] Yes.

[00:25:55] He's the greatest satireist of our time.

[00:25:57] He's making fun of Exorcist movies.

[00:25:59] Sure.

[00:25:59] That doesn't mean it's trashy.

[00:26:02] There's a time he made fun of fascists.

[00:26:04] He makes fun of fascists.

[00:26:06] Yeah.

[00:26:07] Prosecutions.

[00:26:08] Yeah.

[00:26:08] He makes fun of sex.

[00:26:09] And people think he's being erotic.

[00:26:11] It's like, no.

[00:26:14] I still think Basic Instinct is a great film noir.

[00:26:18] Yeah.

[00:26:19] Classic right there.

[00:26:20] I think it's like.

[00:26:21] It's kind of like Alien.

[00:26:23] Where people bash it because they.

[00:26:25] They get it mixed up with the ripoffs, I think.

[00:26:27] Rather than.

[00:26:28] Have you actually seen the movie?

[00:26:30] You know.

[00:26:30] But.

[00:26:30] Go ahead.

[00:26:31] Go.

[00:26:31] Very much like.

[00:26:32] There's certain things to like about that movie.

[00:26:37] It's very much like.

[00:26:38] Reminds me so much of like.

[00:26:39] If it came out in the 80s or so.

[00:26:41] People would say that.

[00:26:42] He said that's Brian De Palma.

[00:26:43] Because it's very.

[00:26:44] They probably could have.

[00:26:46] So to that aesthetic of.

[00:26:47] Brian De Palma is like.

[00:26:48] 80s.

[00:26:50] Gloss and glamour.

[00:26:51] Like.

[00:26:52] Body double and bound.

[00:26:53] Are almost like the same.

[00:26:54] Like cousins of each other.

[00:26:55] That is the noir cinematic.

[00:26:57] Yeah.

[00:26:58] There you go.

[00:27:01] What does he like to work with?

[00:27:03] Impossible.

[00:27:04] Oh wait a minute.

[00:27:05] Let's not do that.

[00:27:06] Can you believe this on nosy ears?

[00:27:08] Actually.

[00:27:09] You know what it is.

[00:27:10] There's just incessant teasing.

[00:27:12] On the set.

[00:27:12] You can't do anything.

[00:27:13] You can't trip.

[00:27:14] If you're like going off.

[00:27:15] And you finish your take.

[00:27:16] And you're just going to address me.

[00:27:17] When you trip.

[00:27:18] You hear this voice.

[00:27:19] From way behind.

[00:27:20] In the second.

[00:27:20] And you're like.

[00:27:20] I saw that.

[00:27:22] You can't do anything.

[00:27:24] Without him teasing you about it.

[00:27:25] So of course.

[00:27:26] The aim of the game.

[00:27:27] Is to tease him.

[00:27:28] But everybody got him back.

[00:27:29] Don't you get like beat up.

[00:27:30] And kicked around a lot.

[00:27:32] In this movie.

[00:27:33] Oh God.

[00:27:33] I mean.

[00:27:34] I've never been involved.

[00:27:35] I've never been involved in any film.

[00:27:36] Where I've been beaten up that much.

[00:27:39] As in total recall.

[00:27:40] And not beaten up by guys.

[00:27:43] You kept saying this to me.

[00:27:44] I understand it.

[00:27:45] It's very.

[00:27:46] I appreciate your advice.

[00:27:47] But let me just tell you.

[00:27:49] I've been kicked.

[00:27:50] First of all.

[00:27:51] In the beginning of the movie.

[00:27:52] I've been kicked.

[00:27:53] By my supposedly wife.

[00:27:56] For three days.

[00:27:57] We shot a fight scene.

[00:27:59] Where she had to kick me in the groings.

[00:28:00] Over and over and over.

[00:28:02] And I had stunt pads down there.

[00:28:04] And I had everything that you can imagine.

[00:28:06] But even the pads.

[00:28:07] The pads are connected to the groin.

[00:28:09] And that's what I'm saying.

[00:28:10] It's not like they hooked to the thigh.

[00:28:12] Out here someplace.

[00:28:14] You know.

[00:28:14] I mean we should have followed.

[00:28:15] Contract is made.

[00:28:16] I should have followed his advice.

[00:28:18] And wore condoms.

[00:28:18] Maybe they would have helped for this case.

[00:28:21] Yeah.

[00:28:21] The rubbery.

[00:28:21] And boing.

[00:28:22] Exactly.

[00:28:24] But if that wasn't enough.

[00:28:26] Then.

[00:28:26] When later on in the film.

[00:28:28] We go to Mars.

[00:28:29] And there of course.

[00:28:30] I get into a scene with her.

[00:28:32] Where I don't remember her.

[00:28:33] Because I have been deprogrammed.

[00:28:35] So we're going through the scene.

[00:28:36] I tell her that I don't remember you.

[00:28:38] And she says what's the matter with you.

[00:28:39] You know.

[00:28:40] What fell on your head.

[00:28:41] And she turns around.

[00:28:42] And she smacks me.

[00:28:43] So of course.

[00:28:44] When you do stunts like that.

[00:28:46] Or hits like this.

[00:28:47] You miss.

[00:28:48] You know.

[00:28:48] You just brush by.

[00:28:49] And you shoot it in such a way.

[00:28:51] That you.

[00:28:52] It looks believable.

[00:28:53] But you miss.

[00:28:54] But Rachel for some reason or the other.

[00:28:58] Made a mistake four times.

[00:29:00] And smacked me full blast in her face.

[00:29:02] You know.

[00:29:02] So I mean.

[00:29:03] Talking about someone.

[00:29:05] And you like it.

[00:29:06] Right.

[00:29:06] Thanks a lot.

[00:29:07] I mean.

[00:29:07] I really appreciate that.

[00:29:09] I can't believe that she smacked me full blast.

[00:29:11] That's why we wouldn't want to come see the movie.

[00:29:12] Yeah.

[00:29:12] But maybe you can explain that.

[00:29:14] If this really was a mistake.

[00:29:16] Or maybe.

[00:29:17] You can be honest now.

[00:29:18] We are on a show where you can be honest.

[00:29:20] I think that scene when we shot it.

[00:29:21] That's when we had the earthquake in Mexico City.

[00:29:23] That was.

[00:29:24] The earthquake was that morning.

[00:29:25] 6.8.

[00:29:26] Sure.

[00:29:27] And then we shot the scene.

[00:29:28] That was it.

[00:29:28] That was the reason.

[00:29:29] That was the reason.

[00:29:30] Yeah.

[00:29:30] That's it.

[00:29:31] You were still a little nervous.

[00:29:32] Yes.

[00:29:32] I was.

[00:29:32] I was.

[00:29:33] I wanted to get back at somebody.

[00:29:37] Rachel was mad at a love interest in a movie.

[00:29:40] So this is the second one that you're talking about.

[00:29:42] Love.

[00:29:43] Interest.

[00:29:44] Well.

[00:29:44] I'm glad you came out.

[00:29:46] I wish we could talk longer.

[00:29:47] We're all out of time.

[00:29:48] When does the movie open?

[00:29:50] June 1st.

[00:29:51] There you are.

[00:29:52] Total Recall.

[00:29:53] Total Recall.

[00:29:54] This is Rachel and Arnold.

[00:29:55] And we'll be back with the Pointer Sisters in a minute.

[00:29:57] Go check them out y'all.

[00:30:00] Now.

[00:30:00] No.

[00:30:02] Oriole.

[00:30:03] If I call you that.

[00:30:04] All right.

[00:30:04] That is his name.

[00:30:06] Did you watch the remake before the original?

[00:30:10] Or how did it.

[00:30:11] With Total Recall.

[00:30:12] Did you watch the original first.

[00:30:13] And then the remake.

[00:30:13] Or you watched the remake first.

[00:30:14] And then the original.

[00:30:16] I don't care for the original.

[00:30:17] To be honest.

[00:30:19] Do you.

[00:30:19] Can I say.

[00:30:20] How did you.

[00:30:20] How did you.

[00:30:21] Did you watch.

[00:30:22] The 2012 version first.

[00:30:24] He's never seen.

[00:30:27] I've seen the.

[00:30:28] I've seen.

[00:30:29] First.

[00:30:29] I like.

[00:30:30] Which did you watch first.

[00:30:31] What did you watch first.

[00:30:33] I watched the remake first.

[00:30:36] Okay.

[00:30:37] That.

[00:30:37] That has to do with the two.

[00:30:38] If you watch it first.

[00:30:39] That proves Josh's point.

[00:30:41] And then you go back and watch the original.

[00:30:42] It's probably.

[00:30:43] It's not going to make much of an effect.

[00:30:45] For people that grew up with the original.

[00:30:47] And then saw the remake.

[00:30:49] The remake is not going to hold much weight to us.

[00:30:51] Because we saw the original first.

[00:30:53] And we saw the remake first.

[00:30:54] We may not have such love for the original.

[00:30:57] Maybe.

[00:30:58] It just kind of depends on.

[00:30:59] We do have a mixture of nostalgia.

[00:31:00] Well.

[00:31:01] The original recall.

[00:31:03] It gives away the story.

[00:31:04] 16 minutes into the film.

[00:31:07] See.

[00:31:08] I never.

[00:31:08] I never saw that.

[00:31:10] But.

[00:31:10] Like.

[00:31:11] With Sky and Mars.

[00:31:12] This is a big one.

[00:31:13] Of what's happening.

[00:31:16] Oh.

[00:31:16] That's a good segue.

[00:31:17] We meant to talk more about it.

[00:31:18] So.

[00:31:19] You know.

[00:31:19] Given how it was a story by Gary Goldman.

[00:31:21] And Dan O'Bannon.

[00:31:22] From Alien.

[00:31:23] And Dark Star fame.

[00:31:25] I took it as.

[00:31:26] This is just the ultimate Mars adventure movie.

[00:31:29] Like.

[00:31:30] In the future.

[00:31:31] Let's do it on Mars.

[00:31:32] Look at three turns.

[00:31:33] Watch that and thought.

[00:31:34] I didn't know what was happening.

[00:31:36] The whole time.

[00:31:37] Right?

[00:31:37] Yeah.

[00:31:37] I didn't predict shit.

[00:31:38] I predicted it with that.

[00:31:40] It's very.

[00:31:41] Basically.

[00:31:42] There is no.

[00:31:44] There is no.

[00:31:45] Well.

[00:31:47] There is no spoon.

[00:31:48] And see.

[00:31:49] It predicted the red pill.

[00:31:50] Blue pill.

[00:31:50] That the Matrix later.

[00:31:51] No.

[00:31:52] It's just clearly all in his fucking head.

[00:31:54] Yeah.

[00:31:54] But I had no idea that he actually was.

[00:31:56] Like the secret agent.

[00:31:57] That was trying to like.

[00:31:58] Change more things.

[00:31:59] Also.

[00:32:00] To your.

[00:32:02] To your point.

[00:32:03] Josh.

[00:32:04] I don't.

[00:32:04] Yes and no.

[00:32:05] Like.

[00:32:05] It's up to the viewer.

[00:32:06] To the side.

[00:32:07] No.

[00:32:08] It's not.

[00:32:09] It's not in his head.

[00:32:10] I almost said.

[00:32:11] It's not in his head.

[00:32:13] Because.

[00:32:20] That's a good segue.

[00:32:21] I.

[00:32:22] To prepare for this episode.

[00:32:23] I.

[00:32:24] Read Dynamite comics.

[00:32:26] Not only their.

[00:32:27] Wonderfully rendered.

[00:32:29] DC adaptation of the movie.

[00:32:31] Which.

[00:32:31] The characters don't look anything at all.

[00:32:33] Like any of the movie characters.

[00:32:34] But it's a cool.

[00:32:34] Read along story.

[00:32:36] But.

[00:32:37] They did.

[00:32:37] Dynamite in 2011.

[00:32:39] Did a sequel.

[00:32:40] And it.

[00:32:41] Is amazing.

[00:32:43] Hmm.

[00:32:43] It's not perfect.

[00:32:45] There's several times.

[00:32:46] Where people are freaking out.

[00:32:47] And playing mind games on them.

[00:32:48] So if anything.

[00:32:49] If that's the case.

[00:32:51] He's having a mind game.

[00:32:52] Within a mind game.

[00:32:54] A nightmare.

[00:32:54] Within a nightmare.

[00:32:57] Like Inception.

[00:33:00] Layers upon layers.

[00:33:02] Layers donkey.

[00:33:04] It's like Lajonia.

[00:33:05] Layers.

[00:33:06] Lajonia.

[00:33:07] But it's great artwork.

[00:33:09] Kind of funny.

[00:33:10] They even explore.

[00:33:11] What the.

[00:33:12] The spaceships are like.

[00:33:14] Leaving Mars.

[00:33:14] And.

[00:33:15] One of them is called.

[00:33:16] Battleship Potemkin.

[00:33:17] Hmm.

[00:33:20] And.

[00:33:22] And I totally recommend it.

[00:33:23] Like.

[00:33:24] I think.

[00:33:25] If you read these comics.

[00:33:26] You'll appreciate the movie more.

[00:33:27] But don't get me wrong.

[00:33:28] You're not.

[00:33:28] You're not alone.

[00:33:29] My co-host.

[00:33:30] John doesn't care for it.

[00:33:31] And he likes over the top movies.

[00:33:32] And I don't know.

[00:33:32] If you just saw it.

[00:33:33] When he was in bad mood.

[00:33:34] Or what.

[00:33:35] My only report though.

[00:33:37] I do feel.

[00:33:37] Lives on.

[00:33:38] Like it is.

[00:33:40] I need to watch that again.

[00:33:41] That's one that I should watch again.

[00:33:43] I've seen it.

[00:33:43] I've seen it.

[00:33:44] A few times.

[00:33:47] I'm glad.

[00:33:47] I finally got to see it.

[00:33:49] Because it's.

[00:33:49] It's a treasure.

[00:33:50] But.

[00:33:51] It should have a bigger legacy.

[00:33:53] Other than a.

[00:33:53] Meta commentary.

[00:33:55] Because of the amount of time.

[00:33:56] That Tom Cruise talks about running.

[00:33:58] With his son.

[00:33:59] His dead son.

[00:34:01] He's always running.

[00:34:03] Yes.

[00:34:04] Before like that became a thing.

[00:34:05] It's like he manifested it.

[00:34:07] In that fucking.

[00:34:08] Yeah.

[00:34:08] Spielberg.

[00:34:09] He took notes from.

[00:34:11] You know.

[00:34:12] Solid movie.

[00:34:13] The great.

[00:34:14] Solid movie.

[00:34:15] Fun video game.

[00:34:16] Disappointing TV show.

[00:34:18] That could have been better.

[00:34:20] And I watched that.

[00:34:22] What?

[00:34:22] Last weekend.

[00:34:23] And I think it hit differently.

[00:34:24] Because when I first saw the movie.

[00:34:26] I just had had kids.

[00:34:28] My daughter was very young.

[00:34:29] Jeez.

[00:34:30] And then when I saw it this time.

[00:34:31] I still have a young child.

[00:34:33] That's right.

[00:34:33] There's.

[00:34:34] A child getting lost.

[00:34:35] Mentioned.

[00:34:36] It was.

[00:34:37] Much harder for me.

[00:34:38] As an adult.

[00:34:38] It's really murkier.

[00:34:40] Yeah.

[00:34:41] It was.

[00:34:41] I can see that.

[00:34:43] It was hard.

[00:34:44] It was a lot harder.

[00:34:45] And I think.

[00:34:46] Tom Cruise has done a few roles.

[00:34:48] Like Collateral.

[00:34:49] It's probably my favorite movie.

[00:34:50] Magnolia.

[00:34:51] Magnolia.

[00:34:52] Which.

[00:34:52] Vanilla Sky.

[00:34:54] Vanilla Sky.

[00:34:55] Tropic Thunder.

[00:34:56] It all comes back to Tropic Thunder.

[00:34:59] When he.

[00:34:59] When he.

[00:35:00] His father is dying.

[00:35:01] And Magnolia did not know.

[00:35:03] That Tom basically just.

[00:35:04] Took his own trauma from his father.

[00:35:05] And put that in there.

[00:35:06] And I recently watched it.

[00:35:07] I was like.

[00:35:08] Jesus.

[00:35:09] But.

[00:35:10] Minority Report is.

[00:35:11] A movie that I just.

[00:35:12] I mean.

[00:35:12] Literally just rewatched.

[00:35:13] And I thought.

[00:35:13] The fact that he had the buzz cut.

[00:35:15] And he was a no nonsense.

[00:35:18] And.

[00:35:19] The way he hides that file.

[00:35:22] Just a great cast.

[00:35:24] Like you don't see.

[00:35:25] You don't think of him.

[00:35:27] As such.

[00:35:27] It's like Gwyneth Faltrow.

[00:35:28] We're distracted by.

[00:35:30] The real life.

[00:35:30] On professionalism.

[00:35:31] Bullshit.

[00:35:32] You know.

[00:35:32] And.

[00:35:33] When he won't.

[00:35:33] Pull that shit out.

[00:35:34] He's.

[00:35:35] He can fuck.

[00:35:35] Yeah.

[00:35:36] He can.

[00:35:37] Yeah.

[00:35:37] Yeah.

[00:35:38] He's not a person I'd either mess with in real life.

[00:35:39] He killed me six different ways.

[00:35:41] Man.

[00:35:41] Man.

[00:35:44] I'd be afraid that he'd take out a samurai sword and chop me up.

[00:35:47] That's a great movie.

[00:35:49] Yeah.

[00:35:49] That's a good movie.

[00:35:50] I love it.

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