Old School Spies Week: Homeland TV Show Chat with Tara Jabbari (Media & Monuments, Who Was She Podcast)

[00:00:00] Last night at 2300, two UH-60 Black Hawk gunships lit the target with over 8,000 rounds. During the sweep one of the deltas found something else.

[00:00:14] I'm an American.

[00:00:16] Green Sergeant Nicholas Brody, MIA since early 2003 and presumed dead. Until now.

[00:00:24] What works out for it's been?

[00:00:26] An American prisoner of war has been turned.

[00:00:30] You're suggesting that Abba Nasear planned that a delicious on his own safe house just so we could recover Sergeant Brody.

[00:00:38] If he is a terrorist, we need eyes and ears on Brody from the minute he steps off that plane.

[00:00:44] Out of the question.

[00:00:48] You think for one minute you get away with this?

[00:00:50] I thought that once I had some proof.

[00:00:52] Yeah, even suggesting the Sergeant Brody's what do you think is?

[00:00:55] Sergeant Brody, it's an honor.

[00:01:00] If somebody's trying to make contact with Brody, it'll only happen once.

[00:01:06] Do you know who this man is?

[00:01:08] No, I never met him.

[00:01:11] I'm just making sure we don't get hit again.

[00:01:13] On behalf of the President of the United States, this is my privilege to welcome you home!

[00:01:18] Thank you.

[00:01:49] Thank you very much.

[00:02:01] You're the host with the most.

[00:02:03] Teri Jabari is back in the studio.

[00:02:05] Thank you, thank you very much.

[00:02:07] Thank you for your time.

[00:02:09] Thank you very much.

[00:02:11] The most terrible job is back in the studio.

[00:02:13] Oh, thank you.

[00:02:14] Thank you very much.

[00:02:16] Thank you for your feedback.

[00:02:18] Anytime.

[00:02:19] We were just talking about all numerous other books and movies

[00:02:24] and shows that can bring up at another occasion.

[00:02:27] Long overdue.

[00:02:28] And just finally said, you know what?

[00:02:30] Let's talk about a show that mirrors

[00:02:34] a lot of today's events in an implausible fashion

[00:02:37] as you do.

[00:02:39] Oh, we were talking about the remake of the Israeli TV show

[00:02:46] Prisoners of War.

[00:02:47] We are talking about the eight season show time epic homeland.

[00:02:52] Yes.

[00:02:53] Oh, jazz.

[00:02:55] Yeah, that's just me.

[00:02:58] Oh, yeah.

[00:02:59] And I never finished Prisoners of War.

[00:03:00] Did you ever watch the show?

[00:03:02] I was, I kept trying.

[00:03:05] I kept trying and then it kept getting pulled from every other site.

[00:03:08] And then I had to score the depths of the internet to find it.

[00:03:11] And then it kept getting pulled from there that this, this,

[00:03:14] the internet took this prisoner.

[00:03:16] Oh, interesting.

[00:03:17] Yeah, I know I saw like the half of the first season.

[00:03:20] And it's good.

[00:03:22] Yeah.

[00:03:24] Similarly you kind of keep guessing just like in homeland,

[00:03:28] especially in the first season.

[00:03:31] But I, and I wanted to know what happens next.

[00:03:32] And then it kind of got pulled out of, I don't even know how I was watching it.

[00:03:36] But in a few years.

[00:03:37] But I mean, homeland show time is easy to access.

[00:03:41] And it's still pretty decent show.

[00:03:43] It gets a little cookie.

[00:03:44] But.

[00:03:45] Well, and it's funny how some site.

[00:03:49] I bought the DVD of this first season, never watched it.

[00:03:54] And then finally, like all of it was on showtime or not, not sure who knew.

[00:04:00] And the last season was on my cable spectrum package.

[00:04:03] And I was like, okay, well, it's better time than never to get into this.

[00:04:08] And it's just so interesting how.

[00:04:12] As we were talking off air, like a lot of people,

[00:04:15] I even talked to some other filmmakers in the industry and some of them were just like,

[00:04:18] yeah, we watched the first two or three seasons.

[00:04:21] And then when a key character died, we stopped watching.

[00:04:24] And like, it got better, I think.

[00:04:27] Yeah, I mean someone had to die because it's a big illusion to world peace.

[00:04:34] Someone has to go in the personal table.

[00:04:36] That was one of my thoughts that I was going to share with you when.

[00:04:42] So spoilers ahead if you're.

[00:04:43] Spoiler spoiler spoiler.

[00:04:45] You've been more in spoiler spoiler to one possible to not talk about without.

[00:04:49] When I always thought, okay, so they Brody is he has he'd been turned?

[00:04:55] Has he had?

[00:04:56] Did he not all sorts of stuff.

[00:04:58] And then I was like, oh, I see what they're going to try and do.

[00:05:01] They're going to try and make him vice president.

[00:05:04] Then one of the seasons will be them killing the president.

[00:05:08] And he becomes president.

[00:05:11] But that didn't happen.

[00:05:12] They used something similar kind of on the later part of the first season.

[00:05:16] Designated survivor, but I know what you mean.

[00:05:18] I was kind of thinking, right, so.

[00:05:19] He'll run as president because he's kicking all these other politicians as he's playing.

[00:05:23] He's using the Patriot card.

[00:05:25] He's brainwashed.

[00:05:26] Yeah, and he's good at covering his tracks because if there's anything any marine is good at.

[00:05:32] It's covering their trail making sure they never left their locker room.

[00:05:37] So and it's but then when they did kill him off in Iran of all places, I was like, oh, that's not good.

[00:05:44] He then people are like, what are we going to do next?

[00:05:47] And it was kind of I was still up for it because I was like spy stuff.

[00:05:52] And I thought it's still pretty.

[00:05:55] The fourth one is that the one for season, Pakistan?

[00:06:03] No, she's in season five.

[00:06:05] She goes to Peru, Lebanon.

[00:06:08] And I think season three, she was on the base.

[00:06:11] Let's see what you had a great right up because it's so hard to keep track of this thing.

[00:06:17] And you got to pretty much do it.

[00:06:19] Why are you doing this show?

[00:06:20] Is she has and this is what I'm thinking of.

[00:06:23] She carried has to she's the she's a four pack of sand.

[00:06:27] Yeah, and it has one of the best episodes, which is the

[00:06:34] well, so what is it like?

[00:06:36] We're like 12 suspects going after I think going into the US Embassy.

[00:06:43] That's what you're right.

[00:06:44] And yeah, and one of the main characters dies.

[00:06:47] Oh, absolutely.

[00:06:48] My main characters and I remember I was at a sort of like a

[00:06:54] mini family reunion kind of thing.

[00:06:57] It was so boring.

[00:06:58] My mom and I just went to the hotel room, ordered room service,

[00:07:01] and watched that episode because it was the newest episode.

[00:07:04] Oh, wow.

[00:07:05] We're like, oh, we're not leaving this hotel room.

[00:07:07] What the hell just happened?

[00:07:09] And I'd always think of it at that point.

[00:07:11] I'm like, that was the best thing that happened during that stupid trip.

[00:07:15] There you go, man.

[00:07:16] I like.

[00:07:17] But he showed from go some Mississippi and Cadyshag.

[00:07:23] He's very bold and now you might know him from other movies like

[00:07:26] Frozen River and Michael Clayton, when he's that just respectful CIA guy.

[00:07:29] He enters in and you're like, okay, I know instantly just from his body language.

[00:07:33] He's sexes.

[00:07:34] He's an office project guy.

[00:07:37] Not going to respect your authority at all even though she is his superior.

[00:07:42] It remind Kudos to them casting clear Danes.

[00:07:46] Yeah, she's right.

[00:07:48] Most people might have seen her soap opera show back in the day.

[00:07:52] Am I so-called live or am I a scene?

[00:07:54] Right.

[00:07:54] You know, Romeo and Juliet, I knew a lot of her obscure kind of movies like

[00:07:58] Brokeback Palace and made a free shop girl with Steve Martin.

[00:08:06] But she kind of reminds me of Helen Miran on Prime Suspect.

[00:08:10] She's just somehow able to echo maybe even kind of

[00:08:13] a certain work on the closer just that body language.

[00:08:16] Just like she was a very good commanding presence and knows how to play the room,

[00:08:22] especially when she has to seduce somebody.

[00:08:26] Yes.

[00:08:26] Right?

[00:08:27] And then the next scene is she's having a full-on breakdown

[00:08:32] and you're like, that's the same person.

[00:08:34] Oh, and Kudos to the filmmakers too.

[00:08:36] They were they hired some cinematographers from Breaking Bad.

[00:08:40] So that kind of gives you the same kind of claustrophobia.

[00:08:43] But I do think- oh, I haven't started.

[00:08:45] So I was listening to the audiobook of Miriam Margulis

[00:08:49] who played The Nurse in Romeo and Juliet.

[00:08:52] Right?

[00:08:53] To Claire's Juliet.

[00:08:54] And she has no filter.

[00:08:56] So she was talking about making Romeo and Juliet

[00:08:59] and she goes years later, all I can remember is that

[00:09:02] Claire was always this very sweet girl who got a huge crush on the in-order

[00:09:06] to Caprio and he was like, I didn't know what to do with her.

[00:09:08] So we kind of ignored her.

[00:09:10] But she was always quite professional very sweet

[00:09:14] and it's weird to watch her on Homeland

[00:09:16] and even years later after I watched it

[00:09:19] at a restaurant, Claire Danes came up to me

[00:09:23] and said, I don't know if you remember this

[00:09:24] but we used to work in a movie together.

[00:09:26] My name is Claire.

[00:09:27] She's like, of course I remember who you are.

[00:09:29] And she's like, that is one of the rare types

[00:09:32] where you see no ego in it.

[00:09:35] I've heard Carol Burnett is one of those two.

[00:09:37] And I was like, oh, that makes me so happy.

[00:09:41] Right.

[00:09:41] Because we get so disillusioned when we're like they're great on screen

[00:09:44] but to the makeup person or assistant director.

[00:09:47] They're even.

[00:09:48] Or you know, they have the seagull like, I'm the best in my profession.

[00:09:51] Yeah.

[00:09:52] You can tell me other one.

[00:09:54] And she has apparently not really any of that

[00:09:56] and she really has a good way.

[00:09:59] Even though the show has its problems

[00:10:01] and that was something I wanted to all of them.

[00:10:03] Good.

[00:10:04] That as far and I would say when it comes to the acting,

[00:10:10] the acting on that show has always been top notch.

[00:10:14] It's really the writing that has gone a lot of criticism.

[00:10:19] Yeah, no, we'll get into it.

[00:10:22] Yeah.

[00:10:22] So but the acting is great.

[00:10:25] And it was just nice to know that the main lead of Homeland.

[00:10:29] I don't remember if she ever won an Emmy

[00:10:31] but she definitely deserves.

[00:10:34] I never got to know.

[00:10:35] She got gnomes but I don't know if she won,

[00:10:38] which she it shows you her talent

[00:10:41] because she can be unassuming

[00:10:43] especially when she's like in the Middle East

[00:10:44] and she's hiding and she has to look like an unassuming

[00:10:48] just a woman so that she's not bringing attention to herself.

[00:10:51] I just remember she always like steals like a scarf

[00:10:54] to wrap her hair around or something like that

[00:10:56] and I'm like, oh, I always want to do that.

[00:11:00] Like go to a crowded place.

[00:11:01] I'm just still gonna ask you this

[00:11:03] because my mom grew up on a military base in Iran.

[00:11:08] Oh really?

[00:11:08] One critique she had is like,

[00:11:10] I don't think anyone would last too long

[00:11:12] if they weren't covering up their hair with a perka.

[00:11:16] Well, I think after the revolution, yeah.

[00:11:19] In the 1979 for sure but-

[00:11:21] I think it was a different time

[00:11:22] but it was a different time

[00:11:23] but every time seeing those kinds of cool things

[00:11:26] and it's so cool.

[00:11:30] And then she can be tough.

[00:11:32] She's really good at the interrogation room.

[00:11:35] Yeah.

[00:11:36] And then when she has her breakdown

[00:11:37] because the character Carrie has bipolar disorder

[00:11:42] and a pretty severe case of that.

[00:11:44] And she's having to cover it up

[00:11:45] just so she's so confident.

[00:11:47] Imagine that scaryness, just show her eye.

[00:11:50] Like-

[00:11:52] And it's genetic.

[00:11:53] We know her dad had it.

[00:11:55] And-

[00:11:58] Kuru's the all the actors playing her dysfunctional family man.

[00:12:01] They were they-

[00:12:02] I mean everyone is so good as the actors.

[00:12:05] They really had top notch actors in it.

[00:12:08] It's just and I still find it very entertaining

[00:12:11] but I know many people who cannot watch that show

[00:12:15] because the plot is so weird

[00:12:18] and it takes such a candy quite racist.

[00:12:22] It can be quite offensive towards mental illness

[00:12:25] all sorts of stuff.

[00:12:27] And-

[00:12:27] I live in Washington-

[00:12:28] With the stereotype, especially with the shock therapy

[00:12:31] which I don't think you can do anymore

[00:12:32] in many clinics.

[00:12:33] Yeah so I didn't know this because I don't read Arabic

[00:12:37] but they said anytime they film

[00:12:40] and what is supposed to be an Arab country

[00:12:45] apparently.

[00:12:46] And I think they filmed it like

[00:12:48] maybe Turkey and South Africa or something like that.

[00:12:51] I didn't see the South Africa was one of the fun.

[00:12:53] Right.

[00:12:53] But they're like oh you have to make it look like it's graffiti

[00:12:56] and stuff.

[00:12:56] So people who read Arabic were saying

[00:12:59] you know what says homeland is racist in the back.

[00:13:03] And if you look at I kind of googled it

[00:13:06] and it's true no one really fact-checked it

[00:13:09] and they knew they wouldn't like the local crew

[00:13:12] that was hired and they're like screw you

[00:13:14] and they just kind of put it up there

[00:13:17] and it was so weird and funny.

[00:13:20] It's probably season four is one of those seasons

[00:13:22] that does that.

[00:13:23] That's the other problem too.

[00:13:24] When you have so many filmmakers on set

[00:13:26] they'll still try and sneak in an Easter egg

[00:13:28] or pull a prank

[00:13:28] and it's like someone's gonna pick that up

[00:13:30] in the editing room.

[00:13:32] But I do like that the show kind of moved

[00:13:35] onto other countries

[00:13:37] particularly the last couple of seasons was Russia.

[00:13:39] Keep it fresh instead of just.

[00:13:43] Because like all the shows we know and love

[00:13:45] I mean there's a big bad every season

[00:13:46] but some of them are integrated

[00:13:48] you can't physically remove them.

[00:13:50] You know like one of the terrorists

[00:13:52] I think from season four later comes back

[00:13:55] he's now wanted by another terrorist

[00:13:57] terror cell.

[00:13:58] Yeah and I will say what the reason why I

[00:14:01] and I think season one is still one of the best

[00:14:05] seasons and shows on television

[00:14:09] or in television history

[00:14:10] is what I really appreciated it

[00:14:14] is so first season

[00:14:17] we know that an American soldier has been turned

[00:14:22] by.

[00:14:23] He's an infiltrator now.

[00:14:24] Yeah and they don't know who it is

[00:14:27] and then they find out that this man

[00:14:29] who was presumed dead for eight years just back

[00:14:31] and he has been kidnapped by basically

[00:14:34] what has Osama been locked in

[00:14:36] but Abu Mizeer.

[00:14:38] ISIS yeah

[00:14:38] or ISIS at the time it was still

[00:14:42] ISIS wasn't really a terrorist group

[00:14:44] that was established just yet but he was mostly like

[00:14:47] oh it was bin Laden because I do reference

[00:14:49] like a 9-11 kind of event

[00:14:51] that Kerry didn't realize and all sorts of stuff

[00:14:56] and also the actor who plays Abu Mizeer

[00:14:59] I forget his name but he's an Iranian actor

[00:15:01] and he's very very talented

[00:15:02] and my thing

[00:15:04] which one?

[00:15:05] checking

[00:15:07] which one?

[00:15:09] the guy who plays Abu Mizeer

[00:15:12] what was his name?

[00:15:14] he's really good he's in a bunch of stuff

[00:15:16] he's even in deep

[00:15:18] let's see Abu Mizeer

[00:15:20] oh no

[00:15:21] Naveed

[00:15:23] Nugab

[00:15:25] yeah he had numerous roles on 24

[00:15:27] so he's part of that family

[00:15:28] yes he's very very good homeland

[00:15:31] he's really good and I think he's

[00:15:33] with that tilted nose they give him on the makeup

[00:15:35] is like whoa

[00:15:37] negabon

[00:15:39] yes

[00:15:41] and he's really great

[00:15:43] and you actually

[00:15:47] against spoilers guys

[00:15:49] but in those eight years we do find out

[00:15:52] oh America wasn't just a good guy

[00:15:56] it was the bad guy too

[00:15:58] especially by the end of this show like literally

[00:16:00] they are giving each other uh you know what

[00:16:02] just to just make each other go away

[00:16:06] yeah and we only want

[00:16:08] is that is the only ones that really suffer

[00:16:12] are the innocent

[00:16:14] yeah any citizenship

[00:16:16] and which is very realistic to how it is

[00:16:20] in the real world

[00:16:21] but we find out

[00:16:24] that while Brody was with Abu Mizeer

[00:16:26] and he had to tutor

[00:16:27] Abu Mizeer's son

[00:16:29] and he becomes very close to his son

[00:16:31] and they never make any riddle about it

[00:16:33] they're like everything we're doing is legal

[00:16:35] can't get caught

[00:16:38] yeah but then you find out that American

[00:16:40] like the

[00:16:41] ice president and

[00:16:44] the army and stuff

[00:16:45] accidentally killed the school children

[00:16:48] including Abu Mizeer's son

[00:16:50] and then hit it

[00:16:52] so that no one in America or in the western world

[00:16:54] or really anywhere else would know that

[00:16:56] the reason why a bunch of children died

[00:16:58] is because you fucked up

[00:17:00] America fucked up

[00:17:01] and I hate to say it definitely goes on more

[00:17:04] often than we care to admit there's almost always something

[00:17:06] where

[00:17:07] what would you do

[00:17:09] as

[00:17:11] and Brody is like you're right

[00:17:12] the people that i was

[00:17:14] i was a soldier for America but they're not

[00:17:17] honest organization either you know

[00:17:21] right

[00:17:22] like all sorts of stuff and he starts kind of

[00:17:24] turning my other thing that i really like

[00:17:27] though is the season

[00:17:29] the pilot

[00:17:31] cliffhanger

[00:17:33] she's like he's a spy he's a spy he's he's been turned

[00:17:36] and she realizes he's count

[00:17:37] he's doing something with his fingers while he's on camera

[00:17:40] and she thinks it's a messaging it's like an SOS

[00:17:43] to the terrorist groups or whatever

[00:17:45] and later on soon we kind of find out no

[00:17:49] he has converted to Islam and he was nervous so he was doing his

[00:17:53] prayers right they have to see a series of prayers

[00:17:56] and it was a way to count it

[00:17:58] all the handlers of them are also interesting because they change

[00:18:02] and i love how it's not even just

[00:18:05] can we turn them back can we capture them can we get them to confess

[00:18:08] but also like a saw is a total bastard

[00:18:12] like he is an absolute do as i say not as i do

[00:18:15] and by the end of the show he's basically carries enemy

[00:18:19] what sucks because yeah

[00:18:21] well my thing was that

[00:18:24] but my thing was that just because he was Muslim

[00:18:27] doesn't mean he's the enemy you know i don't know

[00:18:29] i just mean in that he's pretty much

[00:18:32] mm-hmm just going against carry even if she has a better answer

[00:18:36] he's like no i like my plan better and oh yeah

[00:18:40] that's the thing about her way and carry was like

[00:18:44] a dysfunctional like a toxic relationship

[00:18:48] and then uh she does have the best lines she's like literally good fox soul

[00:18:53] but but that was uh the thing that i really liked about homeland is

[00:18:59] okay so brody is now muslim that doesn't mean anything though

[00:19:03] that doesn't prove that he is

[00:19:05] nothing is same you think you also have then nozanyan

[00:19:08] bell don't hear something or the actress

[00:19:11] she plays the muslim in season two or three she's introduced

[00:19:16] oh yes yeah right do you have those

[00:19:19] you know so you're like exactly there are

[00:19:22] ways that you can empathize with either

[00:19:26] places you do start being like no wonder abun Ezir hates us

[00:19:31] we killed his son and like you know um

[00:19:35] hit it and all sorts of stuff and he's always

[00:19:39] he thinks he's doing something right

[00:19:43] and then the Americans think that they're doing something right

[00:19:46] or albe's it's hard to argue with all these guys who are brainwashed you know

[00:19:51] yeah and we're sort of it's sort of talking about like how we're all

[00:19:55] brainwashed you and the only ones who really suffer

[00:19:58] were the ones that were mining their own business

[00:20:00] like children or like that wedding in season four

[00:20:03] the ones who are doing their job pretty much get fired or tortured and killed

[00:20:06] yeah and so it's just it's it's really well done of that show of like

[00:20:11] honestly just because your american doesn't mean you're the good guy

[00:20:15] just because you're from the middle east doesn't mean you're a bad guy or from

[00:20:18] Russia you're a bad guy or whatever it is

[00:20:21] everyone thinks they're the good guy and that's where

[00:20:27] the problem lies where no one can really you know eat

[00:20:29] exactly like how Saul and Carrie want to work together

[00:20:34] and believe that they're the best team together it really isn't

[00:20:38] yeah they're because literally every other season

[00:20:43] she's getting threatened to be getting locked away or getting blackmailed by

[00:20:47] one of her team members and it's already bad enough because she's got

[00:20:50] the no support at her home life no personal life

[00:20:54] and then she and Brody are emotionally connected to each other

[00:20:57] and then she's trying to turn them back so it's like man wonder

[00:21:01] yeah even before the bipolar sets in like she is

[00:21:05] having to have so many different identities when she's

[00:21:10] I think in a later season she's we are jumping around guys

[00:21:14] uh i will put up a different plots and options and trim it down but there's so

[00:21:18] much to go on i mean i was getting very angry when she was

[00:21:23] uh the cops are trying to lock her up just because she's at a crime scene

[00:21:27] and then in season seven i think it was i think so yeah and they're

[00:21:30] yeah they're acting like and because it came from the top you know it's

[00:21:34] the blue wall and everything and they're having to act like she's the enemy

[00:21:37] like oh my god you guys made a shitty arrest she's not the bad guy

[00:21:41] yeah and there's so many protests that become riots there's

[00:21:50] basically any base she goes to uh on your earlier point the show does good at

[00:21:55] changing it up because every other show we like or

[00:21:58] you know or don't like their issue is that they kind of just

[00:22:03] revert back to who's going to be the big bad this season and

[00:22:06] and that's it and they at least change the setting change

[00:22:10] and uh kudos to uh head you know showrunners uh Howard Gordon and Alex

[00:22:16] Kanta they absolutely Gordon was you know at that point

[00:22:20] uh wanted to avoid any mistakes he had made on his earlier show 24

[00:22:24] he brought along a lot of his same writing staff, Chip Jo Hanson,

[00:22:29] Patrick Harbinson, uh Manicodo and if any of those

[00:22:34] news is how familiar they've worked on just about everything x-files you know

[00:22:38] loss, buffy shows and uh Leslie Lincoln Glatter

[00:22:43] directed and produced a bunch of episodes she's one of the heads on like the

[00:22:46] director's guild now and if you look at her credits includes ER the

[00:22:51] morning show everything Michael Cuesta is another one who's

[00:22:56] kind of been the go-to now for just casual political frillers a lot of them

[00:23:00] star and Jeremy Rinner as well as Navid uh Debra Khan they brought in

[00:23:06] in the later seasons she was best known for working on

[00:23:10] the West Wing so I think that's why they got some kind of structure

[00:23:14] the walk and talk approach um

[00:23:17] and Claire Daines also you know was one of the Zebra producers so she definitely

[00:23:20] had a say in her character journey um and uh I was mainly impressed by

[00:23:27] Clark Johnson directing a bunch of episodes if that sounds familiar

[00:23:32] he's an actor turn director a lot of his work concludes the shield but he

[00:23:36] brought along Henry Brahmel and James Yoshi Mura who are best known

[00:23:43] further work on homicide life on the street

[00:23:46] if you don't know what that one that's where Detective Munch from Law and Order

[00:23:50] SVU was first introduced

[00:23:53] but same kind of deal just it was no for its interrogations more people were

[00:23:58] kind of watching again all the other procedures but that's why they're

[00:24:03] just the world of Audrey Bragger and the DVDs are worth buying yet you'll

[00:24:08] literally get hooked and you're like why is this not on streaming this is a

[00:24:10] good show from the 90s yeah uh but I feel like they

[00:24:15] they pretty much use a lot of their same elements

[00:24:18] but then they hit even deeper and Kudos to Gordon for also saying that showtime

[00:24:24] pretty much left him alone after the pilot to where they weren't pressured

[00:24:27] to add any gratuitous content which is very rare because almost all those

[00:24:31] jails are like hey we need more violence and sex yeah they were like yeah you

[00:24:36] guys can do what you want so okay well we're not going to have

[00:24:40] endless you know torture and all that other stuff so

[00:24:44] right did you ever watch the snl skit about homeland is one of my favorites

[00:24:51] i didn't know the rose wine was a what was this with Ann Hathaway playing

[00:24:56] uh carry i definitely saw her one of those

[00:24:59] indicator is saw and he's like you gotta let her go in she's only disappointed me

[00:25:04] every time i've trusted her oh my god and then it's really funny because

[00:25:10] they had it's when Brodie is still there and his daughter like ends up in the CIA

[00:25:15] thing and she's like dad dad where are you dad and i'm like how did the daughter get in here

[00:25:20] because the daughter was always involved since it's so funny i really watched it

[00:25:26] part of that i think it was just looking at the thumbnail it was like a blink

[00:25:30] and a miss it was like yeah and then my favorite is that they're like oh

[00:25:36] she has to put on jazz and kind of makes up her medication to figure out

[00:25:41] something i did see that skit i just didn't know what they were referencing it was

[00:25:45] homeland it was so good and i knew exactly what they were doing and all the

[00:25:49] references that's great really funny um but but i think

[00:25:56] one one of the problems i don't know if it was just they didn't do enough

[00:26:00] research or research what's that i'm just kidding

[00:26:05] i know well because the other big thing is there's a couple of

[00:26:11] things about where they talk about mental health

[00:26:15] yeah where that are portrayed correctly and homeland is always on the bottom of the list

[00:26:20] because they're like you know one of the biggest things is whenever she

[00:26:23] tits she's off her medication and it happens at least once every other season

[00:26:28] if not almost for the seasons she's like i have to take off

[00:26:32] like stop taking my medication so i can figure out this case right

[00:26:37] and they're like that's not how mental illness works

[00:26:42] yeah that's the other thing they can't tell the difference between health versus illness

[00:26:45] i still think kind of like they're like and so then you're just saying she's really good at

[00:26:49] her job because of her illness but then as soon as you figure out the thing you need to get her back

[00:26:54] right on her medication and give her electroshock therapy which is what happens

[00:26:59] and she'll be good as brain you know like and they're like that's not how it works

[00:27:04] and well sources stuff the other big thing is i lived in Washington DC for like five years

[00:27:12] and not one person in DC likes that show oh i bet first first of all there is no way in

[00:27:19] hell she would have ever gone into the CIA remotely to the CIA with that kind of secret

[00:27:25] we would have found out and no way we would have hired her but to be fair you know a lot of

[00:27:30] these guys hate any tv shows that they hated if you reference the West they kind of do but it's true

[00:27:35] i was like also it also her sister and her father hired her secret and their and her sister is

[00:27:41] a psychiatrist or something and then like that is illegal you can't be doing that like

[00:27:47] when you know being your sister's doctor for mental health or something like bipolar disorder

[00:27:53] and we're like no one's gonna get this would be she would be there would be charges on this kind of

[00:27:59] thing i bet so it was just always want just a bit far-reaching as well as as good as it can get

[00:28:08] it also went really wacky doodle when they came to how they would just explain the stuff

[00:28:14] i i think it's better than critical minds though because half the time that

[00:28:19] lines that was the reason but taking left that show and came to this one oh well because they were

[00:28:26] just i think he was like oh all i do is just keep breathing from him no it's just just getting

[00:28:32] inside the mind of the profiler and having to think like the criminal and out with them but

[00:28:36] got it it had two at least two seasons which i could not get through they were just really bad

[00:28:42] but my issue was they definitely do a lot of the same deal where they can't tell the difference

[00:28:47] between a mental illness and a mental health and sometimes they would just have a cop out ending

[00:28:52] where the serial killer just blows his brains out i'm like no right arrest him yeah i have him killed

[00:29:00] don't have him get a chicken weight out and make us wonder why we wasted 40 minutes watching this

[00:29:06] mystery yeah they're like we've got to finish this up like they would do it like for most of one

[00:29:11] season as like okay suppose writers down yeah it's not working that's so yeah so it's kind of like

[00:29:20] i get it but when it comes like criminal minds i think is like a 24 episode per season right

[00:29:26] with little yes and no i felt like 24 as bad as it could get at times no no no i meant like

[00:29:36] they have 24 seasons per 24 episodes per season and it's oh yeah like that like the show 24

[00:29:44] about 24 hours is also 24 episodes per season and it was on Fox so they had a tight like they

[00:29:51] had to get stuff done homeland was on showtime which was about 10 to 12 episodes per season

[00:29:57] so you didn't have that same excuse of like we just have to get like close this story i don't

[00:30:03] have to have any filler and right especially when they had a little bit more freedom when showtime

[00:30:08] was like whatever i really like your pilot um so it's that's that's the frustration of it

[00:30:14] um and i think one of the reasons why i keep going back to it though is truly the the acting

[00:30:21] and i do appreciate that what we were discussing before is just because you're middle eastern

[00:30:26] doesn't mean you're the enemy just because you're American doesn't mean you're the good guy

[00:30:30] blah blah blah all those stuff if you can take away the other elements that kind of exaggerate

[00:30:36] everything else which SNL does a really great job and they're like oh no she's crying in her whole

[00:30:42] face when her whole face freaks out that's when we know we can't control her or something like that

[00:30:47] you know yeah it's it's ridiculous how would they keep going back to those tropes but

[00:30:52] i thought it was better than read out of them though where they keep traveling between New York and

[00:30:57] LA and in like in the later season but yeah like four hours and you're like not how any travel works

[00:31:04] oh yeah yeah you're like it doesn't take what did you take the concord you know

[00:31:10] but that's true and i mean we like this better than i guess for me like like super hero kind of stuff

[00:31:15] where yeah it's gonna just have ten more follow-ups and i go by the police academy rule

[00:31:21] where you stop after part seven it's no longer a fresh rupert friends who play awesome Peter Quinn

[00:31:32] he was like you guys need to kill my character off like what are you doing i didn't know that

[00:31:37] that's wild he goes through so much and he was like yeah they keep bringing me back which is

[00:31:43] nice to have the job the season was in the hospital it was pretty unpleasant and it's just like

[00:31:47] you know where are these weird characters hanging out with that's definitely watching something else

[00:31:53] yeah it was weird and then he finally dies and we're like you pull for thing needs to die like

[00:31:57] and then the next season starts and you kind of forget it and then you're like oh oh that's right

[00:32:02] Quinn did die in that car explosion saving madam president uh Elizabeth theme was it like season six

[00:32:08] and then season seven and it's just one of those gotcha moments but kudos to them for going more

[00:32:16] for kind of mystery because there's drama there's action yeah there's crime stuff but it's

[00:32:21] it's kind of interspers it's more it's less about the again the so-called taking clock and kind of more

[00:32:29] kind of liars spotting the bigger lie the bigger elephant in the room the

[00:32:35] yeah especially with the video propaganda well one of my things is you know with all these

[00:32:42] like shows coming back i feel like do you think homeland in 10 15 years whatever come back because

[00:32:48] i think it was one of the better series finaleists i would see a movie of it i don't know if

[00:32:54] i mean kudos to them girl family is getting into the CIA oh i think just more carry decides to

[00:33:02] kind of just help a bunch of just other people overseas kind of like angel angeline salt different

[00:33:09] kind of yeah that could be a good one yeah it's just i really liked how they ended it it was bitter

[00:33:17] sweets it was never something like the equal either a burn notice where it's campy and it's just

[00:33:26] yeah yeah they get someone out of a pickle is like no like uh that every time someone's on the phone

[00:33:34] uh like you're you're seeing realistic stuff like i'm running out of battery power or someone just

[00:33:39] took my phone good luck finding me you know yeah or this guy the weapons dealer i'm using he's

[00:33:48] just been killed by you know police i got you know abort i gotta go and go see my second contact

[00:33:55] yeah it's and apparently the incompetent replacement president

[00:34:02] that they have replaced bobridge's character in the last season they they were aiming for

[00:34:06] Trump on that one and i thought they did a good job it's uh what happens in season eight

[00:34:12] remember bobridge's president is president yeah he takes over for Elizabeth keen and if anything

[00:34:22] she steps that he's like the temporary replacement one

[00:34:27] yeah and i would actually like to show the finale of season seven to people just to get them hooked

[00:34:32] just because that rescue is just like you lose your breath every time you're watching that particular one

[00:34:40] and i love how he's telling all these other guys get the fuck out of my seat

[00:34:47] is like i did this as a favor to the party not to be your scapegoat not to be your puppet

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[00:36:34] they're so hard to keep track of how many it's too much yeah characters are there and all the

[00:36:40] I remember when i was looking at like oh we forgot this actor is in it and i forgot this was

[00:36:45] happening i forgot to see shallow mains like a terrorist suspect in this and people yeah i saw

[00:36:50] people hating on him because they didn't like a certain bunch of movies he was in them like well

[00:36:55] he was good on homeland yeah they went to Germany at some point Germany

[00:37:02] actors it's just it is hard it is eight seasons and it's not like like friends with 10 seasons and

[00:37:10] when you knew the setting you knew who was going to be what doing what homeland is not one of those

[00:37:18] no right you're like when are they in Pakistan the winner in Germany win the winner in Russia

[00:37:23] what when when is Abunazir around when is he dead when he's like you can't keep track of these things

[00:37:29] well yeah and the 2010s was kind of a mixed bag where people were still unsure if they were in a

[00:37:34] stick with streaming versus cable that's true yeah i think like breaking bad and suits and all those

[00:37:40] other shows i think everyone was kind of like hey i like it but i got to save money because

[00:37:47] i got bills to pay yeah and it was like when things were sort of he wouldn't be a huge hit right

[00:37:53] away it wasn't until he would get onto a streaming platform and then people would binge watch it

[00:37:58] hammer from and all those other ones yes you're right yeah it was around that time that time is

[00:38:04] that that's a good point because friends and sign-up kind of invented the whole

[00:38:08] even if you don't know what season you know a certain outrageous subplot is that the episode we're

[00:38:13] so-and-so plays a prank and it's like yeah even something like 24 because it's contained to

[00:38:20] that same day you're like this is still Los Angeles this is still a way

[00:38:26] is it a weapon or something you know my favorite season is the one where he disarms a bomb oh wait

[00:38:33] that's all right that's how i was like with my favorite season season three with uh chase and he has

[00:38:40] still like cut off the bomb on chase's arm remember that that's what i thought he's armed the

[00:38:45] bottom like why don't you oh wait no and then the presence having to get his friend his hands dirty

[00:38:50] and it's like dammit brother there's nowhere yeah yeah yeah all David Palmer with all this dirt you're

[00:38:55] giving me and then lo and behold he runs for office yeah wasn't it your um the original your

[00:39:02] podcast was like going an a deep dive on 24 right we we did originally along with some of the

[00:39:07] other space operas and horror anthologies and it was just interesting how like just summing that up

[00:39:15] i mean homeland only has like maybe particulars where they're like years apart or three months later

[00:39:21] yeah 24 it was very specific it was like okay three years later okay five months later but wait what oh

[00:39:29] yeah it was tough um but i that's and they said it was like a hell to try and keep track of it

[00:39:38] but they did a good job because you never noticed if the tie was disheveled because they actually

[00:39:44] filmed it eight months and it's not in one day so it's like yeah and all sorts of stuff but but again

[00:39:49] it's a little easier to keep track up versus something like home and it's so there's so many

[00:39:55] characters there's so many there's too many countries um oh don't wait i'm glad they had Brody

[00:40:02] come back like way later just as a kind of a parallel to things have gotten worse now that you're

[00:40:08] gone they were bad when you come back it was like a vision later on I think in one of the final

[00:40:14] seasons that she sees i think so yeah right she's in prison in i believe show yeah and this is like

[00:40:21] she's coming back to me i thought that was an interesting kind of throwback for longtime fans were

[00:40:25] patient yes because i was one of those i had so many people left the show on Brody died and

[00:40:32] like no dude it still gets good yeah i fortunate enough someone spoil that for me

[00:40:38] and one thing i notice and it's with all with all the ones the gangster shows the cops shows

[00:40:44] the doctor shows people who are attached to just one cast member often aren't very open-minded

[00:40:49] they just want to rely on just one person to support it and i'm like well if that's the story

[00:40:55] that they intended and it wasn't meant to be a cheap reaction you know i think you can let it go

[00:41:02] this is meant to be a bigger sum of its parts than you're making it because

[00:41:07] what i'll also notice is those same fans will also complain if nothing new happens

[00:41:13] and it's like so what do you want we're damned if you do damned if we don't what

[00:41:18] yeah it's tough and i'm in more power to show runners because that's their job and

[00:41:26] to try and please everyone yeah especially once you get a loyal fan base

[00:41:32] thank god they didn't change up this room they just kept using the same guys as like okay you're

[00:41:37] gonna pitch the cut-frored senator who's working with the terrorists this year you're gonna pitch

[00:41:44] the finale and uh they're they're following a lot of what my screenwriting professors were talking

[00:41:50] about is like as long as you outline you're good to go instead of i'll just make up with it on the

[00:41:56] spot or i think it just helps that it's not really relying on the shock value as much

[00:42:03] because like you see other shows where you're you can't it takes a while to decipher what are

[00:42:09] you're a fan of the show or you're just one of those guys who's just watching it for the

[00:42:13] demitted content you know i do this all the time when i see people talk about shows like

[00:42:18] sopranos or aas is like well did you actually like it or you just watching it because it was not

[00:42:23] you what what why were you watching for like everyone wouldn't shut up about it and you were like

[00:42:28] oh like do you like it or not it's a simple question yeah they're the same kinds of guys who will

[00:42:34] i don't know what somebody like signs the lambs or terminator but they're just watching the

[00:42:37] mindless violence and like well you can watch it that way but like the godfather is a bigger

[00:42:42] side to this now if you think it's overrated then i don't even know why we're having this conversation

[00:42:48] right yeah or like they're like i just wanted to cross it off my list so say i've done it

[00:42:54] like yeah that's interesting too i mean and i'm like no that's your brooving

[00:42:59] if i hit a movie i will sit through it all just to say i did see it but i'm still gonna analyze

[00:43:06] okay but then we're geeks so we take it seriously like there's that really great question

[00:43:15] um a couple of podcasts asked they're like what's the film that you've never seen that ever

[00:43:20] let your ashamed to admit you've never seen see i don't think you should be ashamed

[00:43:25] and and people will say like the godfather or this or something like that and you're like you've

[00:43:30] never seen the guy mine is always mostly like christmas movies what is it miracle on some sort

[00:43:35] of street or something i don't feel shame for it and for a while a christmas story was one of those

[00:43:43] that i've never seen and then i watched it last year and i'm like this is nauseating this is not

[00:43:48] for me i'm so happy you guys love it but it's not for me well absolutely not at news flash

[00:43:54] half these so-called classics were hated back then oh that's a good point yeah so what is a classic

[00:44:00] yeah that's the tough part you know five years from now it's gonna be on the overrated movies of

[00:44:06] old timeless or summer clickbait so i didn't care for growing up but my parents liked it and i

[00:44:13] can't do it and i was like okay i i get it well and i was talking but like for instance in this

[00:44:21] past year barbie came out yeah and i was i saw it opening weekends and i'm like oh it's cute

[00:44:28] nice next thing i know it's the eleventh most box office hit in film history and everyone loves it

[00:44:38] oh my god it's perfect oh my calm down it's really not that good that's my other problem too

[00:44:43] people will also go out i go more to metacritic because run tomatoes had a recent scandal where they

[00:44:48] were like hey you know some people were uh okay we're getting bought these last five years but

[00:44:55] they go for so approximately kind of like how these political conflicts on this show they kind of go

[00:44:59] for the they don't have any in-between portion but i will see people again they'll look at the exact

[00:45:06] score if it's below four you're not watching it and like well you might actually like it it's just

[00:45:10] not for the mainstream crowd or but yeah a blockbuster like mission impossible five is like a 97%

[00:45:18] like it should not be scored that high it's not yeah that kind of movie at all it's a fun movie but is it

[00:45:27] it's 97% what is 97% you know yeah it's kind of that's telling me on average people gave

[00:45:33] it that rating which makes me bug the question i'm like i guess it's okay for a blockbuster

[00:45:38] mindless blockbuster movie but yeah i digress i don't understand i mean because this could all change too

[00:45:48] like you even keep adding or adjusting the score as it goes on to where it might come down and

[00:45:57] yeah it's uh i mean much like many of these shows that are on long-term like half the dick wolf and

[00:46:04] Ryan Murphy stuff it it's hard to even find an exact review of them some reviews i did see on here

[00:46:11] fortunately i would whenever i had to go to a recap i was blessed that a lot of the reviewers were

[00:46:19] kind of big spy political thriller assassin movie fans because when i was recapping like low-craft

[00:46:27] country and even doing a yellowstone binge i would see so many people just making very snobby

[00:46:32] remarks where it's like it sounds like you don't even want to watch this show like it you know these

[00:46:39] answers are not gonna well that and i get that if that's your job like if you're blogging and you

[00:46:46] just so happen to pick a show you don't care for but like these guys came off as just very impatient

[00:46:51] like why don't they answer this like because it's not going to be answered until five episodes later

[00:46:57] yeah yeah serialized the this probably wanted to work on regular tv they probably would have just

[00:47:03] wanted too many explosions i mean there's an audience for everything but they would have probably

[00:47:08] wanted this to be kind of more like bones or NCIS where we saw it at the stand alone and it's like no

[00:47:16] no not a lot of it's like again going back to our original sort of like homeland is not one of those

[00:47:23] they can't be they just watch one episode and solve the case and you're done no it's not that

[00:47:29] yeah so if it's not your jam you don't have to watch it absolutely not and i mean

[00:47:37] uh but i will admit this uh having watched this with other family members uh they would get very sick

[00:47:44] just watching it without there even being anything on screen so kudos to the filmmakers this is not

[00:47:51] it's not a gruesome show but it is mentally oh i was gonna say like what was it that was tough

[00:47:58] oh just everything from uh i think there's that later season where there's that other CIA

[00:48:03] trader played by a marando auto and she's covering up a body and making it look like and then shooting

[00:48:09] herself like in a ligament just to make it look like someone else a tactor and just the way it's done

[00:48:17] is red or gory but it's it wasn't so much of what they saw as it was just oh my god oh my god

[00:48:24] what are they doing and there is sex on here but it's not pornographic like some of those other

[00:48:30] yeah shows often come across as they're just show but i mean kudos to marina bacaran who has the role

[00:48:36] as missus brody where she's showing is like hey the chemistry between us is gone since you've come back

[00:48:44] the i don't trust you around my kids because you're having your PTSD moments and i don't know how to

[00:48:50] you're not going to your meetings so we're already going you know what gory baby oh and this is a hard

[00:48:58] role for all these actors i i got to tip my hat to all of them you know yeah again they're the best parts

[00:49:04] of the show uh for sure for me um yeah i can't think of any who i would recast or anything uh

[00:49:14] uh what did you think of the one uh presidential advisor played by lindus roach

[00:49:21] oh him that's on quite a few seasons right every uh yeah a lot last three seasons i love how he

[00:49:27] has to like change his tune instead of being because every other show we've seen that role the chief

[00:49:33] of staff can often be a little shady or doing his own he was actually like a pretty decent

[00:49:38] character but everyone used him everyone used him and i love when he's talking to the incompetent

[00:49:44] final president he's like mr president it's not how any of this shit works so you better get your

[00:49:49] ass in line or you're gonna get voted out because but he he wants to say that he can't and so he

[00:49:55] just steps in he just steps to the other guys is like we got a we need a rescue party off the grid

[00:50:00] because everyone's jobs is on the line yeah it was this sort of he just left all these marines that

[00:50:08] I and this is not good yeah i like how it's it doesn't go to war movie cliches really because

[00:50:18] i was worried about that i was worried we were gonna get an american flag with trumpets playing at

[00:50:23] one point i'm like i don't want any of that shit that yeah i do not want it in a recruitment ad

[00:50:28] in my entertainment right it the it was sort of yeah like in season four you are angry that people

[00:50:37] were getting slaughtered at the CIA base and at the same time it's it's kind of earned because

[00:50:43] everyone's so incompetent they right they have let all this shit go behind them they have not

[00:50:49] listened to carry yes always listen to carry is my the main listening take away with

[00:50:55] that's what the show really is yeah cuz she's looking at everything from bank accounts to maps to

[00:51:01] advice and they always go with will that's a good point but we're not gonna do that or yeah i don't

[00:51:08] want to or i don't respect you so fuck you just like what yeah it's a very when you get a

[00:51:14] duly noted guys you're getting an insult not a compliment yeah it's a great it's a great watch though

[00:51:22] guys you should watch it absolutely prepare to get mad prepare to make time in your busy life because

[00:51:31] you won't be able to do it well the nice thing is i think you can just binge watch it

[00:51:37] i was watching it live like i remember watching the party really and that was like it took time

[00:51:45] and you're like what's not doing really great but it's like Stockholm syndrome or something

[00:51:52] you do kind of get that vibe after a while i mean definitely between Brodie and Kerry they kept

[00:51:57] each other they literally have captured one another at one point but they don't elongate it like

[00:52:02] half these other spy shows where they would roof off James Bond which i appreciate it's not so if

[00:52:06] you guys trust us there's soap opera stars in this but that's not yes and don't get me wrong i

[00:52:11] soap opera can be good they just often get a bad you know label because often they got cheap

[00:52:17] production values and overacting but this is more i mean i would definitely rank this as a very

[00:52:23] intelligent die hard kind of movie with a bit of the born identity stuff you really look the dialogue

[00:52:29] sit down are just as awesome as the intense you know tactical teams stuff yeah especially

[00:52:36] the other guys who trust Kerry i like some of those texts especially David Marciano the bald guy

[00:52:42] you might know him from the shield i love how he's just like looking at trouble yeah or the

[00:52:49] the guy with the glasses he's always so sweet oh my god he is like a door borderline social

[00:52:54] path where it's like he pretty much is like gets off on just like synicism is like the public will

[00:53:00] never know what happened is like i'm sure there has to be someone that jaded because this

[00:53:07] this will this kind of job would totally eat you up if you were having to lie for a living and

[00:53:13] basically you know you're worse than a federal agent or detective you're having to literally do

[00:53:17] these stakeouts that are dangerous you're not getting paid enough you're not having any support half

[00:53:23] the time man well basically once your mind notes of homin anything i just recommend this to everybody

[00:53:35] just yeah it's a good like you say deconstruction how america isn't really america how world peace

[00:53:45] is an illusion how compromise is often a dirty thing to have to have happen just to just have it

[00:53:53] some kind of less violence and it's it's just the very it's very good at circling in between all

[00:54:01] these different subplots without overwhelming you i mean because we've talked about other shows that

[00:54:06] had you know infamous seasons before yeah we thought that was prison break which is not realistic at

[00:54:11] all but you can't take your eyes off it like a stupid action movie and this is like a fun ride but

[00:54:17] like oh absolutely has a fun ride but it still has that kind of realism and absolutely i it's not like

[00:54:23] all these other overrated blockbusters where you're like yeah and but so what it doesn't affect anybody

[00:54:30] you know it's they're gonna come back without any bullet shells or damaged armor and everyone here

[00:54:37] is very self aware of how they can be damaged goods at times and because you know it's when it's

[00:54:46] starting off with a brain loss you know soldier turned terrorists and then starting with a gal

[00:54:53] you know who's bipolar and not liked by anyone personally friends or work colleagues

[00:55:01] a you instantly are on the protagonist side just because she's having to basically

[00:55:09] finding unlikely friends just to help her out of every single mess and

[00:55:13] the political stuff is also interesting because it doesn't go in the direction you typically think

[00:55:19] it will be instead of just hey let's introduce a politician who's gonna make a speech often

[00:55:25] it's all behind the curtain stuff and they're like no he did it

[00:55:30] fuck what am I gonna have to do yeah just very reactionary without

[00:55:36] feeling over scripted or cliche because like you say there are some stuff that could be better

[00:55:44] retcon but it's overall the bigger picture they in hindsight is pretty well thought out it's just

[00:55:53] yeah don't don't binge this if you do not have any time but if you do have the sweet time please

[00:56:00] access it on all the streaming stuff oh Tara's cat is invading the conversation here

[00:56:04] she it's like she's like dinner time weird is like where are you I must watch this show with

[00:56:10] there she did awesome I love having a third tertiary guest um

[00:56:19] um but let's talk about your awesome show because much like this show you tried to dissect

[00:56:26] everyone's backstory and how they got here their bloodline and on you for heroics it's kind of

[00:56:35] would you I don't know if you'd call it true crime but it's definitely a great history podcast

[00:56:39] it's a it's a history podcast it's like a documentary podcast I started who was she podcast

[00:56:45] which is about women throughout history particularly women who were behas so

[00:56:52] less than 200 years for anyone who wants to listen it's on spotifies on all the major platforms

[00:56:58] um I host on a cast they're really great um and it started because I had heard about the life of

[00:57:06] Lydia Zemanov who's father invented the language as pronto and she went and traveled through

[00:57:14] three continents between two world wars to promote this language as pronto um so that there

[00:57:21] would be this common like an easy language that everyone can learn it actually was really popular

[00:57:26] particularly in Japan for instance because it was so simple um I got to learn it a bit uh and

[00:57:37] it's kind of not as popular as it once was but what was really interesting I learned about her life

[00:57:43] and she had multiple attempts to save her life during world war two but ultimately with like spies

[00:57:52] involved and someone who was a German soldier but he was actually for the resistance

[00:57:57] yes it was like so cool but ultimately she does die in a concentration camp and there were

[00:58:05] actually two three times where I almost got it made into a film that it fell apart and because

[00:58:13] it's so difficult and I went you know what I'm gonna end the book that I found biography is almost

[00:58:22] not discontinued but it is kind of harder to find apparently it got re-released in the word in

[00:58:28] Polish because she was a Polish descent but the English version's not really able to be found

[00:58:36] and I'm like you know what I'm gonna put it into a as a podcast and I really enjoyed that process

[00:58:42] I can't blame yet let's kind of where I was with this podcast I was working on stuff that never

[00:58:47] got off the ground and now I'm finding that audio dramas are a great thing too they're being

[00:58:52] re-embraced they're not critical many people ignored as they used to be and this audio yeah exactly

[00:59:01] and I met a couple like I went to some podcast conferences and exactly so glad you got to go

[00:59:07] to those I'm gonna have to try in the future I just got the worst what work schedule yeah and it's

[00:59:14] it's tough because it's like I needed to wear compression socks I was on my feet meeting people

[00:59:19] you know weak and stuff it was I went to the podcast movement conference which is one of the largest

[00:59:26] podcast conferences in the world and it happens every year and they change the location each year

[00:59:32] usually in North America I'm calling for that instead of just being like do or die you know

[00:59:38] like only there so it was really cool and I met like a couple of people who were not just

[00:59:47] these kinds of podcasts which was like interview-based there's a lot of children podcasts yeah multiple

[00:59:54] genres all sorts of stuff and it was really cool to meet these people and how they're concentrating

[01:00:00] and what we're learning video video podcast is growing which I feel like defeats the purpose of

[01:00:06] it but it's an interesting thing that the people are like you should you should not neglect it

[01:00:12] um and so some people I know that are in podcasting are looking into it I work with other

[01:00:18] podcasters to get them guests and and all that stuff so they are interested in doing more videos we

[01:00:26] have to like rethink the contract and all sorts of stuff for their guests but it's been really

[01:00:30] interesting is still one of my favorite mediums um I'm glad it's been turned out great and I applaud

[01:00:37] you for being on an innumerable amount of uh film podcasts as well uh because you're learning about

[01:00:44] these cool cats have also been around forever and yeah to give the bloodline of these historical figures

[01:00:51] of voice actually get their side of it is I applaud you for that you know because that's so much

[01:00:56] travel and you know hotel I really like it and and we'll see how it goes there's season three

[01:01:05] two three seasons for who was she and there's gonna be a season four coming out in 2024

[01:01:11] but we'll see how it goes because it is really pretty much 90% a one woman shot

[01:01:18] but hey I feel yeah there's plenty of solo outings I do on here it's like okay no one else has

[01:01:26] read this book so I'm gonna have to sit down when I'm actually ready to make sense of what I'm

[01:01:31] yeah I get it but there's always an outlet that's the thing about the internet there's always something

[01:01:36] for someone avoid the snobs online yeah they're just getting there was this one guy he was kind of

[01:01:42] went around saying I could bark at your podcast and then not following it up I'm like okay well

[01:01:47] okay I'm not taking his advice anymore yeah yeah yeah I get it so a lot of talk no promise

[01:01:53] Phil I'm good and if people are just you know cut off the people who are just pooping you there's

[01:02:00] some friends and other filmmakers I'm in groups with and this year I just said hey I value my time

[01:02:07] I'm all I'm getting right now or it was like what free free out of 10 people are responding

[01:02:12] and the rest are just giving smart-ass replies or sharing names but not actually engaging

[01:02:17] I'm gonna pick a different group to be in I get that yeah anything that just urchin you give me

[01:02:25] anxiety avoid you know just get your get some sleep sleep on it yeah so hopefully this is one

[01:02:36] of those podcasts that keep you happy and entertain you and yeah I always have fun coming on so

[01:02:44] thank you for having all the the previous TV podcast you had with some other friends was also

[01:02:49] awesome I don't know if you ever can um so I have I'm I'm a co-producer in a co-host for media

[01:02:55] and monuments podcast which is a screen based anyone who's in screen based media we talk to them

[01:03:07] we talk to location managers for film sets we've talked to editors we've talked to youtubers

[01:03:12] and influencers all sorts of stuff because you do tend to just kind of hear about an actor maybe

[01:03:19] the director or maybe the screen readers but not the right but you never really understood you were

[01:03:23] like you know there was somebody who did the the cinematography for that right yeah and the sound

[01:03:28] engineering for that right and all that and so it's really been cool to learn from those so media

[01:03:33] and monuments season four is ending now and we're working on season five and we're it's one of

[01:03:39] those that are looking into video podcasting so I have to beautify myself when I get on

[01:03:48] but it's been really great and we got to talk to the genus gena Davis institute of uh

[01:03:54] uh i think it's like media research um and we spoke with blockbuster you know like all these

[01:04:02] things about media and not just the filmmakers but people who are involved in filmmaking and

[01:04:10] we spoke with authors who talk about how books are translated into films where it goes right

[01:04:16] where it can go wrong all that kind of stuff so it's been really fun oh well and you got a perfect

[01:04:24] radio voice I think for it and oh thank you yeah and you're very just forthcoming on it's like

[01:04:30] yeah this hurt to me you know politically or socially but this might work for this kind of crowd and

[01:04:36] with the interviews it's very awesome just kind of seeing you kind of get these guys making

[01:04:41] rare appearances does this kind of come out of their shell they're not used to just sharing

[01:04:45] stuff big no in all their lives right and I'm still talking to people who I'm be like you do all

[01:04:50] the premieres for a streaming platform like all those they're like yeah I'm like do you want to

[01:04:55] be on a podcast like no I don't like people knowing what I do uh that's the other thing too it's really

[01:05:01] I do this with family too they're like tell me more I'm like what I'm about to say will be

[01:05:06] generous to you this person doesn't follow yeah but they're also really great contacts and they're

[01:05:12] like let me think of people who wouldn't mind telling you I'm like because I think it's important for

[01:05:16] people to understand what it takes to host a huge premiere for the crown you know at a 20 people you

[01:05:24] might find for who are that exact wired the same way okay they got what I just said

[01:05:31] so but it's been really cool and um and I really enjoy it and so media and monuments and who was

[01:05:38] you podcast or my two main podcasts that I work on and then I help with people getting on other

[01:05:45] podcasts as a booking agent and it's been really nice to work with people I'm glad you can do

[01:05:51] that kind of hustle and meet all these wonderful talents yeah so make your sterile make your star

[01:05:58] oh make your star just call me David O'sels I don't know I can't remember who was like those big

[01:06:07] star wigs but one of those famous yeah old school but it's been cool and um just learning about

[01:06:16] things and and still being creative because it is hard to get things made uh so much

[01:06:23] and when you have that creativity but I'm finding a way and I'm really happy with it

[01:06:29] uh we should do the best and the world is your oyster um thank you

[01:06:36] we will link again I need to get I've been getting better at putting all this stuff in the show

[01:06:42] notes and then we do that on this episode again you've heard it from the gal herself

[01:06:47] Terjebari, Instagram, Twitter now known as X uh hit her up with just some cool life story

[01:06:56] yeah that would be cool yeah you guys have any ideas let me know

[01:07:00] show give you her awesome lowdown on it uh very courteous very energetic very all about

[01:07:07] just the unknown stories even stuff that you didn't know was unknown you know thank you so much

[01:07:14] and yeah go watch home and yes and watch another show waiting to be honored again watch

[01:07:22] the the hit show that showdown doesn't even realize it was a hit

[01:07:26] yeah thank you so much all righty godspeed everyone out there thank you for listening

[01:07:32] and wish nothing but the best

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