Interview with Rock Musicians-Podcasters Mark Ball & Daeron Wilson

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[00:00:45] Hello, hello, hello

[00:00:49] Hello

[00:00:51] I'm your host Soli. We're gonna experiment with all kinds of punk rock music

[00:00:57] Here to dissect their careers

[00:01:01] In the indie music industry is none other than uh downstrods darren wilson

[00:01:09] Darren the drummer for downtrodden. Yes, sir. That is correct

[00:01:27] The name is spelled really weird which we could get into uh, that's why it rocks

[00:01:32] That was but I but I legit love the sound and vocals. Um

[00:01:36] And then we got none other than fancy marks mark ball. Hello, uh, I i'm trying to

[00:01:43] Trying to think of what kind of music career I have had at this point. This could be a real short conversation

[00:01:48] Well, yeah jinxed and black cat under blood moon are your albums currently on bandcamp? Yeah. Yeah

[00:01:56] Also on all the all the streamers and stuff that that is kind of the interesting thing is like the way that like

[00:02:02] The way the bands and musicians were doing it when I was like a teenager or growing up is vastly vastly different than how

[00:02:08] Everybody else is doing it now. There's like a million different ways you you can potentially do it

[00:02:13] Yeah

[00:02:21] Yeah, so this should be an interesting conversation because I

[00:02:24] I think darren and I have like two pretty different

[00:02:27] Experiences in in the music industry if you want to call it that really

[00:02:31] Indie shows well on your passive cross

[00:02:35] Yeah, yeah kudos to the power of friendship, you know

[00:02:37] Yep, the power of podcasting. It does bring people together

[00:02:40] Okay, later on was actually came on when I was on a

[00:02:44] hiatus from

[00:02:45] The midnight horror show. This is probably what seven or eight years ago now or something. I I yeah

[00:02:51] I took a little much needed break from

[00:02:54] From that show after doing it for

[00:02:56] A long long ass time. I think i've been podcasting for like 13 or 14 years at this point

[00:03:01] And a lot of it a lot of us garbage

[00:03:04] But i'm pretty proud of those years doing the midnight horror show like once a week live two hour show

[00:03:10] way before

[00:03:12] uh twitch or

[00:03:14] Like any kind of live streaming stuff. It was such an insane pain in the fucking ass to get

[00:03:20] A podcast on the airwaves live like over over, you know, like

[00:03:25] Everyone's saying do it but no one's saying how to do it and this is still in the mid stage of the internet where you're just like

[00:03:32] Oh my space. It's a thing

[00:03:34] Yeah, it was all it was all super brand new and yeah

[00:03:38] It's it's really just like within the last couple years that this technology and stuff like zoom is like

[00:03:43] kind of made this

[00:03:44] insanely easy for like anybody to be able to do like a podcast or any kind of

[00:03:49] Over the internet kind of recording type stuff. Like I don't know

[00:03:53] It's it's been an interesting 10 10 12 years or so

[00:03:58] Oh and so uh

[00:04:00] To circle around uh, let's start with you mark when did it all begin? When did your love of music?

[00:04:06] uh

[00:04:08] coincide with your career interests let alone

[00:04:13] your free time and

[00:04:15] Just all together just

[00:04:17] Making you realize this is part of my persona. This is who I am

[00:04:21] This is what I am

[00:04:23] Uh, I would say is in so i'm like 37 now

[00:04:28] Uh, it was probably it was probably in my early 20s

[00:04:33] Um

[00:04:35] Yeah, I music has always been a huge part of my life. My my parents both have giant record collections

[00:04:40] They were they're old hippies

[00:04:42] So they were big into

[00:04:43] record collecting and so music was always kind of playing in our house and

[00:04:47] I kind of discovered like metal and punk rock like somewhere in my my teen years and that's primarily like where

[00:04:53] I I went out on my own

[00:04:55] I guess you could say as far as my taste in music goes because my parents hated that shit

[00:04:58] But I have friends that were really into it. So like flick wood mac, you can go your own way

[00:05:04] Yes

[00:05:07] Other punk rock classics such as that one

[00:05:09] um

[00:05:11] But yeah, uh, it was interesting. I never thought of that hippies not liking punk rock

[00:05:16] You would have thought it'd be a similar kind of rebellion

[00:05:19] But like my mom's big in the like early 90s grunge

[00:05:22] like she's she's big in the in the in the soul asylums and you know, the uh,

[00:05:27] The alice in chains and stuff like that

[00:05:33] Which is interesting

[00:05:34] Yeah, my my mom was always I don't think until like last like 15 20 years

[00:05:38] Did she ever stop discovering music that she was really into?

[00:05:42] So yeah, that's I definitely think I get that for my mom

[00:05:44] And it's kind of the same thing with my taste in film. My mom, you know grew up in the era of the

[00:05:49] The drive-in theaters and the the golden age of like coming back

[00:05:54] Yeah, which are yeah

[00:05:56] It all circles back around eventually

[00:05:59] But uh, yeah

[00:05:59] I was really kind of in my early 20s when I started getting really into like movie soundtracks and a lot of my friends

[00:06:05] were starting to be able to afford like video equipment and

[00:06:09] Uh at some point I got asked to do some music for like a couple of like youtube videos basically and that's kind of where

[00:06:16] Where my whole I guess you call career started really really more as a composer at the way at the first start the

[00:06:21] whole

[00:06:23] The whole live aspect of it really didn't come pop up until about two years ago when one of my friends was like

[00:06:29] Hey, you're still writing music right? You want to play some shows?

[00:06:32] That was like hey better later than never

[00:06:35] Yeah, yeah, it's and i'd been writing music for quite a bit like at that point like I have a couple albums that

[00:06:39] Are kind of lost on soundcloud somewhere which also weirdly is another thing that's come way back around

[00:06:45] I thought everybody ditched soundcloud

[00:06:49] It's kind of clunky only expensive too. Yeah

[00:06:54] Yeah, yeah that especially electronic music soundclouds make it don't worry

[00:06:59] Spotify will take it over sooner or later if not band camp so yeah. Yeah

[00:07:04] Um, but yeah, I said yes the live thing

[00:07:08] The live thing was definitely a huge game changer and really changed the way

[00:07:15] Because because I read electronic music so for a long time the music was all completely

[00:07:20] Software-based like it was all all written in box in the computer

[00:07:24] And that was cool for for many years and I still enjoyed doing it that that way kind of but

[00:07:30] There's also something really

[00:07:32] Really awesome about getting all these goofy fucking machines like daisy chained together with quarter inch cables and you know

[00:07:40] Kind of just seeing what happens basically so seeing where it goes like a electronic music lends itself really well to

[00:07:47] Improvising and you know

[00:07:49] Doing doing stuff on the fly kind of that. That's that's what really interests me

[00:07:53] Uh, yeah

[00:07:54] I I get the same kind of rush out of getting up on stage and doing shows as I do

[00:07:57] Or at least as I used to do from like getting a podcast and stuff, you know, it's it's live it's like all right go but

[00:08:05] Yeah, yeah thousand percent

[00:08:08] so darren man, you know

[00:08:10] everyone knows you're from the podcast world the vd clinic and psychosomatic but

[00:08:16] uh

[00:08:16] All right

[00:08:17] You you can't separate, you know

[00:08:19] The podcasts of music are all one big world for you

[00:08:22] You're like you are always talking about your early upbringing and how it impacts your

[00:08:26] social life politics upbringing and

[00:08:31] You know, you'll build it often into whatever the topic is that day too and you're like I went to a pub like this

[00:08:36] I met some barflies like that. I met some scum of the earth

[00:08:40] Uh, I I got I can handle this i'm gonna kick them out of here

[00:08:46] Uh, but then seeing it again

[00:08:49] uh contrasted in your punk rock music and your lyrics, you know, it's just

[00:08:54] Uh, what do you make of it other than having to be kind of a different cycles of your life and career?

[00:09:02] Like what do I make of the the intersection between all the things that oh, yeah

[00:09:08] You can't separate either chapter of your life from podcasting and music

[00:09:13] Yeah, I mean sometimes

[00:09:15] You know, I I had I usually had a microphone back at the drums with me

[00:09:19] so when I first started podcasting it was kind of like uh

[00:09:23] extended

[00:09:26] Version of me, you know when everybody else is tuning on stage

[00:09:32] I I would just sort of

[00:09:33] Start conversations with people and stuff like that and everyone's like terrors the cool guy. I gotta be in the radio

[00:09:40] Disjointed now the guy the guy left it

[00:09:42] You know all my time sitting at the merch booth because we couldn't really afford a roadie and the one time we did

[00:09:48] Have a roadie. He just got drunk all the time

[00:09:53] Cool dude, cool, dude never helped carry much. Um

[00:09:57] I was that dude for for a friend's band for many years

[00:10:01] I got real drunk, but I did carry stuff. I was always helpful

[00:10:05] If you help carry stuff, it's

[00:10:07] More useful and sold a lot of t-shirts or drink tickets as long as you can crash at your hotel faster

[00:10:15] Oh hotels, I think in total

[00:10:19] All the time all the different times touring

[00:10:23] spent

[00:10:25] Two or three nights total in a hotel

[00:10:28] One was when we were in nashville finishing an album

[00:10:33] One was because we were on tour with another band. I actually sent you a picture from the last day of

[00:10:40] That tour the downtrodden girlish figure. Yes, those were designed the pro images. That was like this is red

[00:10:46] uh, they got a hotel room twice and we got to

[00:10:53] crash in there usually

[00:10:55] Sweet. No one asked any questions. You're like get in get out

[00:11:00] Yeah, yeah

[00:11:01] It was usually all the other times it was especially when you when we went on tour by ourselves and just played with different bands in each city

[00:11:08] It was

[00:11:10] You know announcing at the end of the night that you needed a place to crash or you know getting a campsite or

[00:11:17] Or you oh somebody always had to sleep in the van anyway because too many people lost all their fucking gear

[00:11:24] You know, uh somebody smashing and grabbing

[00:11:29] You know really early on I think it was uh

[00:11:33] a quote from one of the guys from like propaganda or

[00:11:38] uh

[00:11:39] Dead kennedys or something like that besides like no matter how nice the neighborhood looks

[00:11:44] There's going to be some nice person with a baseball bat to smash out your window and take as much gear as you can

[00:11:50] So we always had somebody sleeping in the van

[00:11:53] It was usually me

[00:11:56] Because I was usually the one uh

[00:12:00] Who's either too drunk or had a girlfriend at home so I didn't need to be partying with everybody else

[00:12:06] Uh it at at this at the certain time of night

[00:12:09] I really have no idea how I got from the intersection of life to podcasting except for if you've ever heard my show

[00:12:16] tangents galore

[00:12:18] Yeah, but that's how I bring it

[00:12:21] um

[00:12:22] But yeah, I you know, it's it's just one

[00:12:26] Continuum. I mean

[00:12:28] uh

[00:12:29] For me the the tangents come from being a raging pothead is like it's an entirely different way of doing podcasting

[00:12:35] I'm totally convinced because yeah

[00:12:38] And I don't know I I like both kinds like I like a street of consciousness show kind of where it's it's real loosey-goosey and

[00:12:45] I like the I like the more scripted kind of you know

[00:12:48] More thought out and planned out shit

[00:12:50] I think I like doing the the stream of consciousness more loosey-goosey type of shows like this one

[00:12:54] But rather than like anything that's too planned

[00:12:57] It's not enough darren remembers like any of our any of our trips

[00:13:00] The the summer trip episodes on midnight horror show where we would go go to other countries and talk about movies

[00:13:06] And there was like sound effects and like every everything was real planned out ahead of time

[00:13:12] I think it was horribly stressful for fucking all of us and they turned out great

[00:13:16] But yeah, it was a lot of fucking work and nobody was getting paid to do

[00:13:21] Podcast back then too. That's that's another huge fucking difference from when I first started doing all that to now is like no

[00:13:27] Nobody was getting paid like not that long ago like even like five or six

[00:13:32] Maybe years ago nobody's getting paid to do this shit hardly

[00:13:35] And even if you have a patreon people still kind of want to kind of troll like hey

[00:13:39] We want you to watch this piece of shit movie that we know you're gonna hate i'm like no

[00:13:44] Want to do something at least constructive as opposed to I hate my life right now. Yeah

[00:13:51] Well, I like those shows too, I'm a big fan of bad cinema I watch oh they can be fun

[00:13:56] More than my fair share of shitty movies

[00:13:59] especially on the on the doing nasty show like

[00:14:02] 90 percent of those movies are fucking terrible and about 10 percent of them are like either, you know, okay-ish or you know

[00:14:08] under the stairs, yeah a lot of those

[00:14:12] Uh, so when did you guys connect with a lot of the people who are on lynch and horror podcasts?

[00:14:18] Well alone notice that hey i'm into dark cinema a psychological mystery and dark terror

[00:14:25] I

[00:14:29] Would say you knew a lot of the people before I did

[00:14:33] Yeah, I i've known duncan

[00:14:37] Yes, I was just thinking back to when legion was called like the uh

[00:14:42] The league of extraordinary podcasts. Yeah

[00:14:46] Somebody's

[00:14:48] Was starting it up and yeah

[00:14:51] Yeah, somebody's gonna be mad that I remember all that because that goes back quite a ways but um

[00:14:57] Yeah, I think

[00:14:59] I don't know. It's it's been so long. It's been like almost a decade ago. I i've definitely duncan i've known so much

[00:15:04] Has changed in a decade

[00:15:06] yeah, and i've thankfully i've i'm still friends with a lot of these people like

[00:15:11] duncan and beau and court and

[00:15:13] yep, doug tilly and

[00:15:15] These guys that like I kind of considered like my podcasting heroes i've been lucky enough to podcast with all of them

[00:15:21] You know more than a few times. So

[00:15:25] Yeah, it's it's it's been about a decade since i've known the majority of these people and thankfully thankfully all the good ones like

[00:15:30] Darren stuck around for

[00:15:32] Through through all the insanity last 10 years

[00:15:35] That and it's easier to dissect a podcast now instead of oh it won't play or maybe I didn't download it the right way

[00:15:43] That's very true

[00:15:45] Multiple gathering around the desktop in the one room

[00:15:50] Yeah, listening to it on high blast no more of that. You can now take it on a portable

[00:15:55] device with you um

[00:15:58] Uh darren, um, how did you feel start getting comfortable just unleashing a narrative and

[00:16:07] Pretty much coming up with a topical discussion every time

[00:16:11] Um with that it like we said it was sort of like the extension, you know, I started playing music

[00:16:19] When I was 13 or 14

[00:16:22] and then uh

[00:16:25] Things started slowing down a little while after 30

[00:16:29] And you know lucky

[00:16:34] And and you sort of look around for like

[00:16:38] Like

[00:16:40] My

[00:16:43] Girlfriend now wife was kind of like, you know, you're a lot in a lot better mood when you're you know

[00:16:51] Putting something out in some way instead of like stewing in your shit

[00:17:00] So I fucked around with oil painting for a while, uh, like it's fun, isn't it

[00:17:06] Yeah, it's totally fun i've got some horrible paintings

[00:17:10] Uh a couple of them I threw many of them away

[00:17:14] Everyone was like why why did you throw it away?

[00:17:16] Why'd you throw away that portrait self-portrait of yourself? I'm like because I don't like how I don't look like that anymore

[00:17:22] I made it to get it out of my head and now it's gone

[00:17:25] Yeah, exactly. I I had a professor who hated how I used my oil paintings

[00:17:29] And I was just like see this reminds me of that douchey professor

[00:17:33] Professor

[00:17:36] Get you get me heart shouldn't remind you of a bad time

[00:17:42] And then

[00:17:45] You know, I

[00:17:46] Sort of started doing I did a lot of commuting when I went back to school when music slowed down too and

[00:17:54] Finished my very useful

[00:17:56] degree

[00:17:57] and

[00:17:58] bachelors

[00:18:00] Yeah, yeah a b.a in english that used to be a

[00:18:05] journalism degree and halfway through my degree the

[00:18:11] Academic advisor was like just switch to this that way you can translate it to grad school a lot better than wait

[00:18:17] a journalism specific degree because

[00:18:20] Regular journalism is dead and that'll be an absolutely different conversation a different place

[00:18:26] Trust me. He's like i'm gonna level with you. Yeah, okay

[00:18:29] my mother worked for the local star telegram here in

[00:18:33] fort worth and

[00:18:34] When everything first started going digital. So during the 2010s, so she okay

[00:18:39] so no preaching to the choir there, yes, but

[00:18:44] It doesn't make it any less true of giving how

[00:18:48] you're just

[00:18:50] We're still seeing it now is like now I love seeing the regular articles on cord cutters how there's just like

[00:18:56] So essentially you're still spending the same fucking amount of money you were when you first gave up cable

[00:19:03] So what do you really want to give up?

[00:19:05] Since every network is going to gatekeep and prevent this from being on that versus this

[00:19:12] Yeah, I really wanted to go to film school right out of right out of high school and I

[00:19:16] Really glad that I didn't because yeah, this would been

[00:19:19] 2004 2005

[00:19:21] And you I went to film school gained absolutely nothing

[00:19:28] I think it was it's all about timing too. It's timing but

[00:19:32] You shouldn't ever go to one where the biggest turnout is engineering

[00:19:37] And where professors are telling you hey, you can take that class but not this class because I hate that professor

[00:19:44] It's like oh, man

[00:19:46] Yeah, fuck you

[00:19:47] and then

[00:19:49] So, yeah, there it is. I'm in the film department, but i'm in more of the theater classes because all the filmmakers are being snobbed

[00:19:55] I don't like what we said

[00:19:58] And i'm like, I want to make lawrence up freaking oravia here and hi

[00:20:02] whatever

[00:20:03] pretentious overblown

[00:20:06] Plot twist driven crap you want to do but

[00:20:09] Then it even got to where people would complain about how it looks and everything

[00:20:13] It's like well depends on what master we're using and everything is this kind of like when you see music snobs

[00:20:18] They're hearing something from a first like edition of the music is like well

[00:20:21] You're not listening to the remastered cut the way it's supposed to be heard

[00:20:25] um

[00:20:27] and

[00:20:28] Yeah, you got it given I learned more about from taking those master classes that were taught by a few different celebs and then

[00:20:37] on

[00:20:38] key number one staging

[00:20:41] Everything else you can figure out later but staging is like what you got to worry about

[00:20:44] I mean you guys know this from a music standpoint, but it's everything from where are you in the radio booths versus where are you in the

[00:20:52] photography

[00:20:53] event, you know, it's just

[00:20:56] and

[00:20:58] Given how there's so many tutorials for everything now

[00:21:00] There's so many ways to again cut the corner and still get the same essential stuff without feeling like a bastardized click notes

[00:21:07] so i'm

[00:21:10] And don't get me wrong. There's going to be something different every time

[00:21:13] I mean my father does web mastering still and he went through the phase where people were trying to do it themselves

[00:21:20] Right people were paying heavily but absolute douchebags with communication and

[00:21:27] time management, you know

[00:21:30] And so i'm sure you guys have had sleepless nights before like what am I going to write? What am I going to perform?

[00:21:36] How am I going to get there in time?

[00:21:39] this and that um

[00:21:41] But for anyone we always start being an inspiring show and let other people just

[00:21:46] We're in total. We're not just progressive. We're rooting for the underdog

[00:21:51] Given what devices we have now a decade and a half later versus what we have then

[00:21:58] Uh, what do you feel is that the biggest disposal for anyone trying to get into an entertainment career?

[00:22:05] It's more than just the degree it's more than just who you know and it's more than just

[00:22:09] Where you are at that time of

[00:22:12] What do you think are the main factors that everyone's got to focus on to remind themselves? I want to do this

[00:22:19] Well, I think go for it

[00:22:26] Okay, margaret first

[00:22:28] Like one of my one of my biggest hurdles and one that hasn't really changed that much from 10 years ago

[00:22:32] Is being able to get the word out

[00:22:34] I almost think it's like harder now that there's a billion different ways to get the word out about these things whether it's through social media

[00:22:41] or you know, just like your

[00:22:43] Your your traditional kind of grassroots stuff going out and asking people

[00:22:47] If I come to a show or hanging up flyers and stuff like that

[00:22:50] Um, the site sharing does make a difference. It's like hey if you post on instagram it goes onto facebook

[00:22:55] Perfect. Just what I need instead of posting it five different times and driving myself crazy

[00:23:00] Yeah, and yeah

[00:23:02] It's it's another thing that was way fucking harder to do back in the day

[00:23:05] And I think to a degree is still tricky just because there's so much competition like everybody

[00:23:12] Everybody has like, you know a voice online and that makes makes it hard to to stand out amongst the crowd basically. So

[00:23:20] um

[00:23:21] That's still a little bit of a problem

[00:23:24] I I think the the

[00:23:26] It's really hard to make money

[00:23:28] at any of this like whether whether you're doing youtube or you know making music or

[00:23:33] Uh podcasting or whatnot. It's it's really it is really insanely hard to make money off doing all this stuff

[00:23:39] So yeah, I mean money what money?

[00:23:42] Yeah, I I i've i think the biggest

[00:23:45] The biggest piece of advice I give to anybody that wants to get into this kind of stuff is

[00:23:50] Do it but check your expectations a little bit

[00:23:53] Like not everybody's gonna be you know, fucking ryan's toys making 20 million dollars or whatever a year

[00:23:58] Uh, in fact most people don't make any money off of any any of this stuff

[00:24:02] Which is yeah also kind of true of running like a small business basically

[00:24:05] You have to kind of look at it from that point of view

[00:24:08] It can it can be either way. Like I mean you you can just do it purely for the art love of the art of it

[00:24:14] Or you know if you if you want to look to try to commodify it somehow

[00:24:18] I mean, it's it's totally doable both ways. But yeah, I I would say

[00:24:23] If you really really really love doing it or you think that you might really love doing it then do it

[00:24:28] But don't expect, you know

[00:24:31] Don't expect to get anything out of it besides the enjoyment of doing it

[00:24:34] Which honestly like I would rather I would rather have the the friends that I have and they have the experience of things I have

[00:24:40] because of

[00:24:42] Podcasting and playing live music and stuff than any amount of money you could ever buy basically

[00:24:47] Which I know I found super sappy and that's probably probably the cold medicine kicking in but I do

[00:24:51] Side by side I found that true 10 years ago and I find it true now

[00:24:55] I love this. This is electrifying

[00:24:59] This is validation here people and

[00:25:03] I mean, this is why I started the podcast

[00:25:05] I had my day job finally squared away. No one's bothering me

[00:25:10] I can

[00:25:11] you know

[00:25:12] The check is clearing

[00:25:14] But i'm having too much free time not doing much of anything on those free days off. So I was like, okay

[00:25:20] Why not?

[00:25:21] Why not socialize especially since you can't be in the room with everybody, but

[00:25:25] This is cool to know that again that

[00:25:29] You know, this is a side

[00:25:31] business, but not necessarily a giant hustle so

[00:25:35] You're stopping yourself from being disappointed so to speak while still

[00:25:40] feeling reward from unleashing some kind of vision

[00:25:44] Some kind of voice

[00:25:46] Exactly

[00:25:48] All right, darren, man

[00:25:50] so again

[00:25:52] Going from band to band and downtrod is currently I guess you could say on hiatus

[00:25:59] Yeah, I i'd say that's

[00:26:01] Yeah

[00:26:03] I technically probably in that way or you could say we haven't done shit in years and I just the little banger of an album though

[00:26:11] Thank you. Yeah, never say never and well

[00:26:13] We'll get to your guys's tracks and just the influence for filling from these vibes and

[00:26:18] But I mean

[00:26:21] Do you feel freed up now just knowing that you've kind of just been on a cool journey with

[00:26:26] just again, just

[00:26:27] numerous individuals and

[00:26:30] Your blood brothers for life, even though you're from different families basically

[00:26:34] Yeah, I mean it's it's been a blast and like to go off what you guys were saying about

[00:26:43] Keeping your expectation

[00:26:45] expectations realistic

[00:26:47] while shooting as far as you can go with what you're wanting to do is like

[00:26:54] You know

[00:26:55] I've seen the country a number of times, but it's been kind of like on working vacations

[00:27:01] You know traveling around driving around in car. I you know, my parents were also sort of in the counter culture

[00:27:08] So we drove around the country a lot when I was a kid instead of going to walt disneyland

[00:27:12] Let's just tour around

[00:27:14] We drove through new mexico when I was four and then you know

[00:27:21] 22 years later i'm being creeped out by a guy

[00:27:26] In new mexico after we got kicked out of a party with a bunch of nurses

[00:27:31] or

[00:27:32] um

[00:27:34] You know, yeah all the fun stuff with friends and you know like my first band the downtrodden

[00:27:39] Which is my primary band, you know as a drummer and I feel like a lot of drummers

[00:27:43] Especially one of my favorite drummers josh freese

[00:27:46] originally the drums for the vandals

[00:27:49] he

[00:27:50] Originally from the vandals, but he's in the foo fighters now. He's played for nine ish nails like

[00:27:56] You know looking up to drummers like that or you know

[00:28:01] uh break

[00:28:04] I don't know what is the statute of limitations and you feel awesome knowing that

[00:28:08] They're in a bigger van because you know, they're probably satisfied as opposed to

[00:28:14] They're famous and they'll never talk to me ever again

[00:28:17] Yeah, it's just all all all sorts of cool people you meet strangers all over the place

[00:28:24] and uh

[00:28:26] You know different seeing different people are you know, um

[00:28:30] like

[00:28:31] You know, I mainly got into punk rock when I was playing music

[00:28:35] Getting to go play

[00:28:36] CBGB before they closed

[00:28:38] Oh

[00:28:40] Really really cool things and like I weaseled my band onto the bill

[00:28:45] Because we were on tour with a hardcore band

[00:28:48] From california and their drummer had to go home

[00:28:53] But we didn't want the tour to end so we cancelled three shows

[00:28:57] And just hung out in our practice space for a week and I learned sort of their set but I

[00:29:03] uh

[00:29:04] Had it had the set list?

[00:29:06] In my headphones right before and all these little fucking cheat notes

[00:29:09] But they split their time with my band because we had a show on the other side of new york

[00:29:16] That night, but it was kind of like if we're going to combine the tour

[00:29:20] I have one request

[00:29:22] and

[00:29:23] Um, I found the video of that darren's request live

[00:29:28] Um, yeah. Yeah, you know, it's like running around like oh this is where

[00:29:32] Iggy pop was this is where debbie harry was this is so fucking cool

[00:29:37] Side question. Did you ever see? Uh,

[00:29:40] Uh, it's canceled now after four seasons sammy hagar's road show

[00:29:45] No

[00:29:47] It was on access tv

[00:29:49] And he would go he did exactly that he would go to multiple concerts and describe who had played there in the past

[00:29:56] And then end it with an interview

[00:29:58] Oh, that's so cool. Yeah, you know just traveling around the country having fun

[00:30:03] You're sort of working but you're only working a couple hours a night and then you're hanging out with people all over the place

[00:30:10] finding weird things like

[00:30:12] uh some kids we played in

[00:30:15] Idaho

[00:30:16] On the way back from a california stretch and it was like the first band

[00:30:20] The first band the kids had seen in like a month and a half

[00:30:24] Hey gal, so all of the you know

[00:30:27] 15 to 20 something year olds came out and took us to see the

[00:30:32] The gorge that evil keneval jumped or some shit. It's yeah like having fun and

[00:30:39] with the transferring from

[00:30:41] more music based to this sort of thing is you know, it's like

[00:30:45] I was pissed off and political

[00:30:48] And wanted to talk but felt weird and needed an icebreaker to be able to just like connect with people

[00:30:54] That I knew that I could connect with and I feel yeah

[00:30:57] I'll never forget when those towers fell and I was just I felt alienated at school because I had very progressive people in my

[00:31:05] Family if we talk politics, we were still just very open about all sides of the equation

[00:31:10] But I was like so whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa

[00:31:14] We're claiming to be america the great and here we are throwing all these

[00:31:18] You know homophobic slurs and anti-islam

[00:31:22] You know hate speech around this is not america, you know

[00:31:27] It's yeah, it is and it isn't it's what america says it isn't we live here, but we don't believe what we preach so

[00:31:35] It's a false flag

[00:31:37] There's I actually walked to the record store after school on 9 11 of 2001

[00:31:43] Oh, yeah

[00:31:45] Everyone has all this fear mongering saying go home. There's gonna be people in the street killing you

[00:31:50] I walked to our local record store sonic rainbow and I bought

[00:31:55] Because I was like a sophomore in high school keep in mind so i'm like 15-ish something like that I bought

[00:32:01] The second slipknot album iowa, which I I still maintain is their their best album

[00:32:06] They will never do a better album that system of a down toxicity, which is like one of the most like

[00:32:13] Popular and insanely like political albums like the fact that that album's with you know, triple platinum or something is fucking mind

[00:32:21] But a lot of it's when it came when it came out people

[00:32:25] Like me were hungry for this shit at that point in time my my little

[00:32:28] Sponge of a 15 year old brain that was angry about things and didn't really understand why I was angry about things

[00:32:34] It was just gobbling the shit up like metal and punk rock and it

[00:32:38] played a bigger role in shaping like kind of who who I am then, you know,

[00:32:42] I I definitely think I get some of that from from my parents. They're they're very

[00:32:46] Uh one might say they have a little problem with authority

[00:32:50] I definitely oh gee, I wonder what punk rock and authority those those two go together

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[00:34:36] Exactly and yeah in their their day and age it was it was stuff

[00:34:40] You know like the grateful dead or fleetwood back and then by the time I came around it was you know, the early

[00:34:45] The the later stages of the early 90s like surf punk kind of move those stuff like fat

[00:34:52] Yeah

[00:34:56] Stuff like that. Yeah

[00:34:59] A lot of it's a lot of it's all about timing like this sometimes like I don't really believe in luck

[00:35:04] I do believe in like sometimes you fucking just hit something like at the perfect time and it just explodes

[00:35:11] And you guys definitely explode in your music here. Um, darren I gotta come in. Uh

[00:35:16] Uh just from

[00:35:18] This downtrod album that was accessible. Uh blue devil. I was getting a lot of the

[00:35:23] angry young adult angst of the drop kick murphy's and then

[00:35:28] America lost kind of had a similar mentality kind of like you two or just like get on with it

[00:35:35] nothing matters and

[00:35:38] citizen's sane is also kind of a bad religion almost take just kind of just

[00:35:42] Echo all your annoyances and fears on this stage

[00:35:47] Yeah, I definitely sort of politicized the people around me most of those songs were written by me and the guitar player aron

[00:35:55] And we you know talking about connecting with people and having fun. You know, we'd known each other since

[00:36:01] Like day one almost I mean he was he's like four months older than I am and we grew up two houses apart

[00:36:10] Started our first band

[00:36:12] junior high

[00:36:14] And you know kept playing together. Oh, that was the only band we had together

[00:36:19] Uh, but yeah, I was in a couple other random bands up in ohio

[00:36:24] Yeah, yeah in columbus area

[00:36:27] and um

[00:36:29] You know, uh there was

[00:36:32] Yeah, but you know, it's it's just fun. Like I said if

[00:36:35] If you're I I heard a kid a couple houses down when I was walking to the bus stop the other day

[00:36:43] There's a kid learning how to play the drums a couple houses down and it's

[00:36:48] It's just like a really cool thing to hear somebody

[00:36:51] Fighting through the awfulness of learning an instrument

[00:36:55] Because you can imagine how much fun and catharsis they're gonna have

[00:37:00] eventually

[00:37:01] Yeah, and then also thinking about my parents and remembering why

[00:37:06] I can only practice in my house when certain people were home

[00:37:10] Oh, yeah, uh, you know, I think it's rough

[00:37:14] But

[00:37:15] Drums are fucking crazy loud. My little brother was a he was a drummer and it was kind of the same thing

[00:37:20] If we didn't have such a big house

[00:37:22] In my parents house like out growing up where he had like the whole basement to himself to play drums

[00:37:27] I don't know if my parents would have ever let him play drums

[00:37:31] Yeah, you hate to have that what-if factor because you're like, I don't want to even think of that not happening

[00:37:39] Yeah for real

[00:37:40] But it was a little less of a risk for me because my dad was a bass player in his earlier years

[00:37:48] That we understood okay, that's what teens do it's not demonic music

[00:37:53] No, no, no, no, they're not going with the scare of what everyone else should do with your kids

[00:38:00] Yeah, and you know like my mom came to a show once when I was 19 and tried to buy me

[00:38:05] Some drinks or to celebrate but I didn't know if drinking underage at the club would

[00:38:11] Fuck my band over, you know

[00:38:15] Little dumb things

[00:38:17] Yeah, my mom's a weirdo. She probably doesn't even

[00:38:21] Yeah, she'll never hear this because I don't even think she has an email

[00:38:25] Oh well

[00:38:26] Just the way we like it folks

[00:38:29] And you know like my dad yeah, he was uh, he taught me how to be a protest medic and

[00:38:37] Um, yeah, he ran for

[00:38:40] Congress a couple years ago

[00:38:42] Because he was mad at the democrat thinking he was too corporate. That's just

[00:38:48] Yeah, a lot of support. I I guess sometimes in these conversations. I realized that like

[00:38:54] It was pretty lucky that my parents were like, oh cool. You want to be in a band and put off going to college?

[00:39:00] Great, I take it studies. No, thank you

[00:39:04] Yeah, so but also fortunate in that way

[00:39:07] To anybody that's listening this too if you don't have that kind of support at home

[00:39:12] I mean that's

[00:39:13] Obviously going to be like pretty discouraging and for the most part like in as far as the entertainment industry goes

[00:39:19] There's going to be people left and right telling you not to do this

[00:39:22] So right. Well, and this is what we're finding out with all the health and fitness podcasts

[00:39:27] Number one source of just anything all the stands karen's low loan gatekeeping and bullying all begins with insecurity

[00:39:36] Yeah, what i'm afraid of I must unleash my fear share it with you breed it into you

[00:39:41] Well for a lot of kids it starts at home too like people's parents like not being supportive or even I don't understand

[00:39:48] Therefore, I think it sucks

[00:39:50] Which those kids I would be like only

[00:39:53] Only you know

[00:39:54] What you want to do with your life and as long as you understand the risks of the path of life that you

[00:39:59] Want to take then you should do what makes you happy because we only live fucking once so

[00:40:05] Um

[00:40:06] Yeah, if you don't have that kind of support at home like if they're actively discouraging you to do this stuff

[00:40:11] know that they're kind of doing it because they

[00:40:14] They they want what's best for you and they think they know what's best for you

[00:40:17] But really only you know that so I say fucking do what makes you happy. Don't be a tool know you

[00:40:23] Find people with some uh, some mosh pit hospitality somebody falls pick them back up. You can help somebody get up you help them

[00:40:32] Right being nice cost nothing as we know hand up costs nothing just gotta wipe your hands off a little bit

[00:40:41] Absolutely, okay man mark so

[00:40:47] You got to tell me a little bit more about these tracks on fancy mark this is

[00:40:51] These are awesome. Like

[00:40:53] Just the black cat under the moon you're getting so many just would feel like, you know video game walkthroughs

[00:41:00] And you know soundtracks like ronan i'm getting a total gory showdown kind of vibe like immortal combat

[00:41:07] It's hard not to be

[00:41:09] That's that's funny you say that because i've heard the video game music comparison a few times

[00:41:13] So then I think it's vampire cyborg is a total cyberpunk

[00:41:18] It's it's hard not to be inspired by video game music if you're an electronic musician preparing for the big boss

[00:41:26] Yeah, we kind of grew up in the golden age of you know, eight bit and 12 bit

[00:41:31] Yeah, when yeah, that's kind of that's almost an extension of you know

[00:41:36] Synthesizers became really popular in like the 70s and then the 80s like it kind of there's still a lot of

[00:41:44] Yeah, or you know companies like nintendo or sega are inventing a whole entire fucking chips to make 16 bits worth of sound which is

[00:41:52] wild to think about but

[00:41:54] it's it's

[00:41:56] it's interesting

[00:41:57] it's kind of the catch-22 of writing electronic music the

[00:42:00] The world is your fucking oyster like you can literally sample anything. You can emulate any instrument any sound

[00:42:07] And it almost becomes like a writer's block thing where like you have too many choices

[00:42:11] So like at some point I kind of

[00:42:14] Especially with yeah that second album black cat in her blood moon

[00:42:17] I kind of tried to narrow down be like, okay, i'm only gonna have a drum track

[00:42:21] Basically

[00:42:22] Like a bass track and a lead track kind of deal. Thank you for the game

[00:42:26] You would have played on computer games in the back

[00:42:29] Next time on doom or prince of persia

[00:42:32] Definitely the the john carpenter lost themes albums were definitely a huge influence on me because yeah

[00:42:38] They're all songs that sound like fucking

[00:42:42] Oh movies movie scores that you know for movies that don't exist basically

[00:42:46] Oh, yeah, takashi mics the blob was a hoot to listen to because it's like, yep

[00:42:51] That is a total retro vhs, you know cold underground kind of movie

[00:42:56] I'm i've always been really interested in like industrial stuff and experimental stuff

[00:43:00] Like the silent hill soundtracks were a fucking massive influence on me to you those those kind of hit me at just the right time

[00:43:08] Yeah, and it kind of just changes your idea of like what music really is and yeah

[00:43:13] Like lately i've been super inspired by a lot of like noise rock stuff or you know

[00:43:17] Just like just stuff that thinks way outside the box kind of listening to the actual beat and giving it a soul

[00:43:24] As opposed to that sounds cool. Let me add it

[00:43:26] Yeah, exactly

[00:43:28] And so so that first album jinxed is kind of uh, it that that was also another one

[00:43:32] That was like written more in box

[00:43:34] The the second album black cat in her blood mood has kind of written more for

[00:43:38] Like a live setting. I wrote that right before I had a whole bunch of shows booked

[00:43:42] So like I was kind of

[00:43:44] Which is weird because I get booked I get booked on all kinds of different shows

[00:43:47] I think I primarily have played with like punk bands and metal bands kind of and it usually goes over great

[00:43:52] but I have played a couple like

[00:43:54] Noise nights and like dance parties and stuff and i'm always super curious like how it's gonna go like

[00:44:01] How it's gonna be received? I got that tone, especially from the first album

[00:44:05] Jinxed where you're kind of like to have a fun time

[00:44:08] Yeah

[00:44:09] And yeah, I don't sarcasm in the titles were great

[00:44:13] I don't I don't title any of my songs until i'm right about to post them basically because at that point

[00:44:17] I have spent so much goddamn time with them

[00:44:20] But like you know what it is now versus I don't know what I made back then but it has nothing to do

[00:44:26] Yeah, if I titled them like when I first started writing them like the you know

[00:44:29] The meaning and the everything about it changes so much throughout the the course of writing a track

[00:44:35] Like any of those that like it would be completely different

[00:44:38] So I gotta really like spend a lot of time with

[00:44:40] The the the songs like so much time in fact that by the time they get posted

[00:44:44] I'm, so fucking tired of hearing them. Like I maybe never want to hear them again

[00:44:48] Like that's that's another thing to keep in mind. That's how I am after every podcast. I'm like, okay the dominoes have fallen

[00:44:55] I've done all the correcting i've added all the historical audio clips with what the person's talking about

[00:45:02] Eliminated the stupid joke that went too far or

[00:45:06] Belching or burping that's gonna disrupt everything just

[00:45:10] Let it sit now

[00:45:11] Like you eventually spend so much time with it that like you maybe can't look at it as objectively as no

[00:45:17] You can anybody else basically if we fucked up then we fucked up, but let me know in a year

[00:45:23] right

[00:45:26] Or never which then tells me yeah, not gonna make any splash

[00:45:33] Um

[00:45:34] so what do you guys recommend for just like motivations because like

[00:45:39] writing just like a book or poetry

[00:45:42] is a whole different deal but like

[00:45:45] music writing, you know, like that that's even

[00:45:48] Would you say that's a little harder because you're either trying to make it rhyme or

[00:45:52] Trying to make it flow with the chorus and acoustics

[00:45:58] I don't you know, it's

[00:46:03] Uh, you know, it's weird. I haven't thought about it. It's not like a record is that guy who's like repeat five times

[00:46:09] post oh, yeah

[00:46:13] You do have some of those fears, I don't know when I was a lot younger I saw that movie uh, what labamba

[00:46:21] I love you little diamond phillips

[00:46:23] Yeah, yeah

[00:46:25] There's that part where he's doing his first recording studio

[00:46:29] Or he's in his first recording studio doing his first recording

[00:46:33] And he keeps getting stopped and started and stopped. It's like do that part over. It's not exactly it's not exactly right

[00:46:40] So fortunately i've never been in a studio situation

[00:46:45] Like that maybe with some

[00:46:48] Some parts here and there but for the most part I got my

[00:46:52] Even on that that recording that you had I think that was what 12 or 14 songs

[00:46:58] I think I got my drums done in one or two days

[00:47:02] Uh, and the only other band I ever did any recordings with

[00:47:06] They got me drunk before well not drunk drunk, but they made me drink

[00:47:12] Before recording so I would be sloppier

[00:47:15] Of what?

[00:47:18] That was a band that was people from a bunch of different bands around the city and we just sort of

[00:47:24] Meshed together and half our songs were making fun of other people in the scene

[00:47:28] And you know

[00:47:30] Did like a 30 second

[00:47:33] Thrash cover of uh, was that chris christopherson that wrote me and bobby mcgee?

[00:47:39] Janis joplin did it. I think that's what I thought wrote. Yeah

[00:47:43] Uh, we did a split seven inch

[00:47:47] with uh a metal band in town

[00:47:50] and they got

[00:47:51] Like two songs or three songs on their side and we figured out how to get six or seven

[00:47:58] On ours and

[00:48:01] So yeah, i've never had a really harsh task master in the studio the the bossiest person in my studio ever was

[00:48:08] The singer and he you know paid for most of the studio time so it's just hey get those hours, baby

[00:48:15] Yep, your thing

[00:48:17] I'm gonna be I was at a few different people who had kind of their own radio

[00:48:22] Places long story short. It was internet radio and their egos were big as hell

[00:48:27] And they're like, hey internet radio is going to become a thing never really quite became such a thing but

[00:48:34] Half the time I was like I had to flake out i'm like, yeah

[00:48:38] The these hours

[00:48:41] Yeah, no, we can't we can barely get a show done in an hour. Yeah. No

[00:48:45] that's also why I started my own podcast i'm like I was done bitching and like if i'm gonna

[00:48:51] Reach all this then I better be able to do it myself because I know there's gonna be a lot of time

[00:48:55] That goes into it. There's gonna be some interruptions from life

[00:49:00] And i'm not gonna bust my wallet to do it either

[00:49:04] At a studio where I don't even respect the owner, you know

[00:49:09] Yeah, that's a that's another thing I would tell young you know artists use free shit as much as humanly possible

[00:49:16] I have gotten so many hours of fucking productivity out of like audacity

[00:49:20] Just you know bare bones audio recording type shit like you're testing rules. It's forever

[00:49:27] Free shit. Yeah, that's that's where like 90 percent of podcasters start had a good line of dialogue that I still use

[00:49:33] I don't get along with them, but he he had one good thing which is have there be a trade-off

[00:49:38] Instead of just you fed me for the day. Give me some new boom mics, you know, give me a new camera tricorder, you know

[00:49:46] That's a cool trade-off and

[00:49:48] Well, it seems to be a lost art too. I'm still I see in some photography groups people are still asking for trade for print

[00:49:56] And this is like yeah now put start putting a dollar on it. Just work at a reduced cost and then work up

[00:50:02] Value your time

[00:50:04] Yeah, totally

[00:50:07] And you can form some harmonious co-working, uh arrangements I know there's

[00:50:14] Photography majors in school, you know if your friends with somebody in a band make them a music video. There's a class project right there

[00:50:21] exactly

[00:50:23] Got a lot of free photo shoots and there is a music video somewhere

[00:50:28] But this was

[00:50:30] I don't even know where the guy is that made it

[00:50:33] Oh damn, yeah, i'll track him down

[00:50:38] Don't kill them just

[00:50:41] Kids uh people working on uh audio engineering degrees

[00:50:46] Okay. Well then i'll tell you this if i'm gonna travel anywhere. I will go to your hometown and shoot a music video for you

[00:50:53] There you go. That's the only thing I pretty much want to do

[00:50:57] I don't want to do a movie because i've been on so many that have been pieces of shit or never got done

[00:51:03] Or were by amateurs who didn't value any human life

[00:51:07] And I don't want to do short films which just get thrown away and are never seen at even the festival

[00:51:13] So music video seems like a perfect compromise because you can pretty much just play with the internet algorithm

[00:51:18] And just have something to show people that's eye-catching

[00:51:21] Yeah, those can be

[00:51:24] Yeah, they can be fun and yeah like mark was saying there's so much

[00:51:29] to do now

[00:51:30] uh, it's not really a level playing field because the thumb is on the scale for the

[00:51:36] corporations always with will be and always has been

[00:51:40] but

[00:51:41] I mean

[00:51:43] You can get people to see you if you're a live performer. You can get people to see you

[00:51:47] Perform live before you even get there. I imagine there's people that do like tours on youtube

[00:51:54] And don't even leave their uh, their home studio and I mean a lot of people were experimenting during the

[00:52:00] Covid step backs. It's a must. Yeah

[00:52:04] Yeah coming up with really cool ways to to share the art and

[00:52:08] It's cool seeing you know

[00:52:10] That live music is still

[00:52:13] alive and kicking and I think always

[00:52:15] always will uh as long as

[00:52:19] Yeah, I want to go down the dark timeline. Sorry

[00:52:22] That'll be in the other show that'll be in the other show

[00:52:25] It's always in a state of flux and I I think like being able to kind of go with the flow and learn

[00:52:29] New shit and like see what you know

[00:52:31] The majority of people are especially young people are into is kind of an invaluable skill to like you gotta really

[00:52:37] You gotta kind of have your your finger on the pulse too. It's a no

[00:52:41] We're going for their you know, their their favorite kind of art make sure your heart is breathing

[00:52:47] Beating not breathing

[00:52:49] Make sure you're breathing but yes, make sure you're beating too. Um

[00:52:54] So mark had some cool inspiration saying how he was very john carpenter influence, uh darren what uh dark

[00:53:02] uh

[00:53:03] Movies would you say you're kind of influenced by in a way that make you say you know what i'll

[00:53:09] Pay top dollar to see that

[00:53:12] Movies that really

[00:53:14] That uh, that's half the time for yeah

[00:53:17] It seems like half the time people don't know what the genre really means is like you can be gothic and not necessarily scary you can be

[00:53:23] Gory and yet intelligent and there's just always snobs that you gotta avoid in

[00:53:29] These conventions where it's like come on guys. We all want the same thing

[00:53:32] Which is to have a fun time and learn something about

[00:53:36] The dangerous side of life, you know

[00:53:40] Totally. Yeah, and uh, I I think I often said this

[00:53:44] Uh, you know bringing bringing my uh

[00:53:47] My punk rock mentality to it is like fuck the horror police

[00:53:51] uh

[00:53:54] It's I I don't think i've ever claimed something that I thought well

[00:53:57] It doesn't really matter because everything's subjective in that way

[00:54:00] But like the things that I really go for yeah, like they live speaking of john carpenter

[00:54:06] They live in the thing and perfect intro to yeah, the cake is a lie

[00:54:11] Body snatchers might be around you

[00:54:14] Exactly the the donald southerland body snatchers. That's a good one

[00:54:19] and

[00:54:21] Uh, what parallax view that's nice. Oh, there you go. That's a thriller. That's not horror. I know

[00:54:27] um, he's right

[00:54:30] Real life can be scary guys. Hell half these movies that are also sci-fi or action

[00:54:36] Or dark comedy also got horror elements like evil dead one of the star tracks and terminator. Yeah, it's like

[00:54:42] even other zombie movies and

[00:54:45] I know bo of legion is a big

[00:54:48] Final destination fan and everyone always has their cam. Are you a jason guy freddy guy meyers guy?

[00:54:55] Well freddy krueger is from ohio, so I feel I feel like i'm

[00:55:01] And so is john carpenter

[00:55:03] Uh, or not john carpenter west craven. Sorry. There you go

[00:55:07] So you relate to it on that level too a little bit and you know, I I like

[00:55:14] okay, uh

[00:55:16] one of my oil paint one of my horrible oil paintings from

[00:55:20] Finding the new me in my i'm not going on tour every summer kind of life

[00:55:27] Is a painting of jason looking in through a window

[00:55:31] Nice, but I I would say that

[00:55:34] Yeah, I probably

[00:55:36] I don't know. I I like how freddy's a smart ass. I don't like the hit that he's a child molester

[00:55:42] I think everyone is on that mindset. I mean

[00:55:45] You would hope there'd be a sane person who gets it

[00:55:48] But then there's other people who don't even read for certain subtexts of these villains. I mean

[00:55:52] I got back into horror in the 2000s when I started during college by

[00:55:57] Watching a lot of cult movies like I was really into the wish master

[00:56:01] and

[00:56:02] Oh now now i've rediscovered

[00:56:05] phantasm and I understand just

[00:56:09] Even cube. I understand this amount of

[00:56:13] Multi-genre kind of movies let alone

[00:56:15] films where someone was able to

[00:56:18] Get their movie done on time under budget

[00:56:21] And fulfill their own vision

[00:56:23] And I feel like that's kind of we're seeing a bit of that and then we're seeing other people who are kind of just

[00:56:28] Kind of trying to just anger everybody for the sake of it like have a insulting plot twist like at night or

[00:56:35] just

[00:56:36] Be derivative of the other towards like dude do your own thing. You don't have to rip off people dead for the billionth time

[00:56:43] Just be you

[00:56:46] You know, I

[00:56:48] Can't remember the last

[00:56:50] M night movie that I watched

[00:56:54] I mean, I really loved I

[00:56:56] Oh fuck. I remember I was blown away by six cents

[00:56:59] Like everybody was the first time they saw it. I recommend the glass trilogy

[00:57:03] But there were some ones where you're like, uh, dude

[00:57:06] Did you really base the movie all around that? That's just no it doesn't work

[00:57:12] And I read uh a knock was it a knock at the cabin

[00:57:16] Uh, I don't know if I like that

[00:57:19] I noticed that too. I would go into book clubs and there'd always be a books now

[00:57:23] I was like, oh this doesn't work because of this and that i'm like well

[00:57:27] Look at it this way. These chapters are deleted because they're not cinematic like

[00:57:32] Tom Bombadil's chapter in lord of the rings is deleted because at the end of this

[00:57:36] Scene he essentially says I can't do shit

[00:57:39] I can't do shit

[00:57:41] Chapter and lord of the rings is deleted because at the end of this scene he essentially says I can't do shit for you

[00:57:47] You gotta leave

[00:57:48] Not very cinematic. That's killing time with my bees. Don't fuck with my bees

[00:57:54] Keep the forest clean, you know green

[00:57:58] um

[00:57:59] Yeah, it's interesting too how just stuff that works in a book is excessive and boring

[00:58:05] or just flat out just

[00:58:08] Feels like two workmen like if you put it in a movie, but if you take

[00:58:13] John grisham's stuff is like where you see the vigilante fodder

[00:58:19] Sneak in the gun to kill the rapist in the courtroom that you kill the suspense right then and there versus in the movie

[00:58:24] Where he comes out guns a blazing

[00:58:27] Yeah for sure and I I didn't think I I figured that that book knock at the cabin

[00:58:34] Would translate well?

[00:58:36] To the movie

[00:58:38] uh format but there were

[00:58:41] There was at least one part that I was like, I sort of need to know

[00:58:45] If this is in the movie because it will make or break it for me and it's near the end

[00:58:50] So i'll have spent all that time, but I can't ask anybody because either way

[00:58:55] They're gonna spoil it. Yeah. Yeah, so i'll probably get around to it at some point

[00:59:00] Wait for the hype to die down. So you're like, okay. I'm ready to collect this

[00:59:04] I mean I do this for sequels or like, okay, there is no

[00:59:08] hurry

[00:59:10] Yeah, the the movie's around gonna be on fire when I wake up the next morning. So

[00:59:16] Yeah

[00:59:18] uh

[00:59:18] Well that I have kind of a special connection to that was based on a book

[00:59:22] That's like the book is radically different than the fucking movie and

[00:59:26] I I have a special connection to it because all the exteriors were shot about half an hour from where I live

[00:59:30] as starship troopers

[00:59:32] Oh totally another yeah, the book is the book was written in like the 50s or something and it's definitely kind of more of a

[00:59:38] pro-war kind of thing and I read it about the movie when I

[00:59:42] Absolutely, I I read it in high school and then I saw the movie edited. I'm like those facts are good

[00:59:48] I can't stand this nonsense and then realizing oh, but the book is technically fair

[00:59:53] Nazi sympathizing and then the movie, you know, it's like if you're I mean

[00:59:57] I think everyone owes it we've covered paul robert on here before

[01:00:01] You everyone owes it to even just see

[01:00:04] Any of his dutch work and you can realize how some of it just doesn't come across too

[01:00:09] Well, and with american eyes like don't get me wrong. I saw our showgirls on vh1

[01:00:14] So I didn't have any of the objective content that people were getting distracted by I just thought okay. It's making fun of

[01:00:21] The low lives in vegas but kind of doing it heavy-handed so right the sense

[01:00:27] Or lack thereof was not lost on me

[01:00:30] And same thing with starship troopers you do everyone who even hates it should just owe it to themselves to rewatch it

[01:00:35] Even if you just want to make fun of oh, they're making fun of star trek or they're making fun of aliens here

[01:00:39] It's like just catch on to the little small things but without phil

[01:00:43] I mean darren and i've talked before about morons praising joe rogan and sharing info war videos online

[01:00:50] I still without phil you want to court goes to town talking about toxic youtube fandom without phil

[01:00:56] You want to look up a star ship trooper scene, you're gonna see someone who either takes the movie too serious saying dizzy and

[01:01:02] johnny rico forever best couple ever or

[01:01:05] You'll see other shit like why didn't they just nuke the planet? I'm like, that's the point

[01:01:10] They are incompetent as a whole. They want to kill their generation the people

[01:01:15] When did the conksign get so woke?

[01:01:18] Oh my god. Yeah, there you go. Someone else

[01:01:22] And i'm woke as fuck so i'm even more offended by it now than I was when i'm like, what does

[01:01:27] Does it mean progressive?

[01:01:28] No one know it's almost like the one line in anchorman. Uh, no one knows what it means. It's provocative

[01:01:37] This is like

[01:01:38] I'm done with it. I know you guys are too and

[01:01:41] You're you're unleashing your commentary about it. It's like man. It's just like

[01:01:45] It

[01:01:46] I mean it really costs no one extra to even listen to the commentary if you want to find

[01:01:52] extra sense in what's going on if you want to have but it's like we don't want we just have to keep encountering snobs and

[01:01:59] people who just

[01:02:01] Aren't objective. It's like

[01:02:05] My film school was like audio commentaries and dvd extras and i'm very sad that those are going the fucking wayside because that was like

[01:02:13] Oh, yeah, it wasn't the pre internet days

[01:02:15] But it was the pre internet in my house growing up days because I had to get a computer until I was about 18 or so

[01:02:21] So that's how that's how I learned a lot about all my favorite movies. So those dvds first started coming out from

[01:02:27] companies like anchor bay and they had

[01:02:30] Great ones man, especially the george romero ones is like he he has his like two earlier movies season of the witch which is almost like

[01:02:38] Very much like get out just talking about the elite class

[01:02:42] and how they're

[01:02:44] Not so friendly to outsiders and then

[01:02:47] It was cool because they also came with his episode of that stars documentary show the directors

[01:02:53] But yeah, so many commentary tracks are just lovely

[01:02:55] I mean jim wunorski and his b-movie schlock are hysterical because half the time he's just making fun of oh

[01:03:00] Yeah, I got this actor. I borrowed this stock footage from this movie. I'm

[01:03:05] Then making ridiculing all his stupid mistakes. He's made

[01:03:08] The 24 ones are kind of funny because

[01:03:11] Just for that tv show alone, like they're made by total cinema buffs. So they're talking about

[01:03:16] all these stage level actors

[01:03:19] How they edit and stage and even set off these

[01:03:24] You know political arguments and explosions and then the other top rest of the time the actors

[01:03:28] You just let it f bombs flip and kind of have it coming off as an r-rated mystery science theater commentary

[01:03:33] I'm gonna kiss you. Oh, yep. I just kissed you

[01:03:39] I

[01:03:40] But you like to say it's a lost art. It's just having that amount of interactivity

[01:03:46] Yeah, peek behind the curtain, you know, you don't really get that these days

[01:03:49] Oh totally. Uh, I see so many people say I don't like it. It ruins the experience. I'm like well

[01:03:54] If you've seen it 20 times, you're really not

[01:03:57] What are you changing? You know the ending and everything you might as well figure out why does this work?

[01:04:03] Yeah, don't watch it the first time you watch the fucking thing that's bingo and why why do I like

[01:04:09] Why does the blood squirting in this movie?

[01:04:13] Can create this comedic effect versus create this argento level moment of claustrophobic, you know creepiness, you know

[01:04:22] Why is the way scorsese colors it here versus affects how hitchcock might have not shown it

[01:04:27] But made you feel like you've seen it here is

[01:04:29] Is

[01:04:31] It's a lost art in and of itself just dissecting

[01:04:34] Why does this mention scene and diehard work better than other action movies which just bore you with exposition?

[01:04:41] And make you want to root for the bad guy because the hero is so bland

[01:04:47] And it's just it's a process but it's just

[01:04:51] uh

[01:04:52] I see it too with music. I I see so many people are just like I don't want to know how the cookie crumbles

[01:04:57] I don't want to know this and that now or it all sounds the same like now that is not true

[01:05:04] You can't say it all sounds the same

[01:05:07] Maybe if you're listening to one

[01:05:10] One station one station one record company

[01:05:14] One spotify picked for you based on the last one and a half songs you listen to mix

[01:05:21] Or whatever the fuck does there you go a shuffle shuffle

[01:05:24] Exists anymore

[01:05:26] Bend or exist but I had to find out the hard way from my pal. Oklois who drives trucks

[01:05:31] Um and listens to it all days look for a track and then you kind of find all these b-sides and other deep tracks

[01:05:37] We're like, oh nice

[01:05:39] Like he literally found the entire soundtrack of brent theft auto on there

[01:05:43] Oh, wow just by searching for one track by one artist and he generated similar stuff is like see it's an

[01:05:49] It's like all these other podcasts and social media. It's reacting to the algorithm

[01:05:54] That's what spawns the next facebook ad and all that shit

[01:05:58] Yeah, versus you skip it and it still plays that awful song you didn't want to have played

[01:06:05] Speaking of which did you watch the youtube effect movie yet? I haven't yet by alex winter. Yeah, did you like it?

[01:06:12] I know I did. Okay. Perfect. Why do you think critics were kind of a ho hum about it?

[01:06:18] You know, it wasn't like holy shit. I didn't know that it was kind of like, okay see I knew that

[01:06:24] and it's

[01:06:27] There's like

[01:06:28] That ryan's toy review kid that mark mentioned earlier about I don't know if you know who

[01:06:34] That kid is I do because I have an eight-year-old son

[01:06:40] And oh ryan's world on youtube. Yeah. Yeah, there was a

[01:06:44] Couple months where he liked to watch his his station now. He's all into fucking like

[01:06:50] Minecraft videos on youtube

[01:06:53] It's pretty much all he's going with the different broken

[01:06:56] Yeah, uh, but he interviewed him, you know somebody that worked at google with the talking about the algorithm

[01:07:03] there's

[01:07:06] Some guy that used to be in a bunch of hate groups that sort of

[01:07:11] Got out of it and now like

[01:07:14] Works exposing people from hate groups online

[01:07:18] Uh a bunch of other hands dirty yeah talking about the monetization of

[01:07:24] rage and panic and fear and other things like that. I mean, I still think my favorite alex winter movie is

[01:07:31] freaked

[01:07:32] Oh, there you go. That's another one. I see keep popping up and

[01:07:36] It's interesting how spiritual a guy he is he he reminds me of some of these other actors who've taken up directing

[01:07:42] Uh fisher steven some of these other guys who are just very spiritual and you're just like

[01:07:47] and

[01:07:48] They have like three 80s hit movies a bunch of cult movies in the 90s and 2000s and now they can do whatever they want now

[01:07:55] You know

[01:07:56] Yeah

[01:07:57] And so because they're just so lovely as people

[01:08:01] I mean you could probably say that about paul rubens who we just lost recently, you know, he

[01:08:06] there's plenty of times where we didn't see him in anything because he was just working behind the scenes and

[01:08:11] Dedicating his persona into cartoons and video games then he's like yeah, but

[01:08:16] He had so many unrealized projects as well as so much realized potential and

[01:08:22] To see that kind of a voice just kind of unify people is still just striking is like see

[01:08:27] Like I doubt alex cares about if his movie made any money. He just wants a vision out there, you know

[01:08:33] That's that's what it seems like I I haven't left

[01:08:37] Twitter or whatever the fuck it's called. I've sort of yeah the artist formerly known as twitter. Yeah

[01:08:43] I haven't updated my phone. So it still says twitter

[01:08:46] Yeah until they

[01:08:48] If they start forcing everyone to you know, verify their profiles. I'll just finally say, you know, fuck you musk, you know

[01:08:55] But yeah, i'm just using it until I just stopped

[01:08:59] Encountering all these lovely people and starting these awesome topics and interviewing these celebs

[01:09:07] Then you'll go over to blue sky and start off my god

[01:09:12] uh

[01:09:13] Looks sky not to be confused with the animation studio. This is not ice age

[01:09:19] Yeah, blue sky kind of sucks. There's like almost nobody on there yet, which I also like harlor

[01:09:25] Yeah, it's it's it's missing all the things that I actually did kind of like about twitter

[01:09:29] Which is you know being able to interact with people there's not a lot of that going on on there yet

[01:09:34] They're just doing it just to have more hate arrayed

[01:09:42] Well, this has been a delight gents and i'm glad you're still finding your passion and

[01:09:49] Uh, just thank you

[01:09:52] Uh, no negativity on the side of the aisle

[01:09:56] I wonder if it's greatly appreciated and it's always fun. You know, it's a bummer

[01:10:00] Yeah, i've probably

[01:10:02] we yeah

[01:10:03] I've met a lot of people. I think I said this offline, uh, well online off mic

[01:10:11] That i've met so many people from cities that i've been to but I didn't know them then so it's a bit of a drag

[01:10:17] But it's it's cool having

[01:10:19] These conversations, but it's not outside the bar. You catch it up in a bunch of cigarette smoke and

[01:10:26] Yeah

[01:10:28] What do you think your hairstyle is going to be in the future

[01:10:31] Sure

[01:10:32] Me yeah

[01:10:34] I mean i've been rocking the mohawk for

[01:10:38] 20

[01:10:40] Ish years

[01:10:42] So I think when it falls out i'll just shave my head

[01:10:45] Perfect. I think I think my my kid wouldn't recognize me

[01:10:48] I've had people walk past me on the street in the winter when i'm wearing a hat

[01:10:52] You know like we're all bundled up. I'm like hey man is like I don't fucking know you

[01:10:57] um

[01:10:59] They got really only happened once or twice, but yeah, it was like I don't know who the fuck you're that one guy in youtube with a mohawk

[01:11:05] Oh, well, I don't I guess i'm him. I guess i'll sign his signatures so I don't make him look like an asshole to you

[01:11:14] I always hear about that so i'm getting mistaken for other people and there's like, ah, yeah sure

[01:11:19] I can't convince you otherwise. I got to interview a donnie marapas who you might know as quanchi from that mortal combat tv show

[01:11:25] And

[01:11:27] And he just talked about how just without fail just at a drive-in

[01:11:32] uh

[01:11:33] You know restaurant or something. He just people for whatever reason just how he spoke

[01:11:37] They just thought he was jean claude van damme. He's like, I guess you need me to sign something because I just want to

[01:11:42] Order my freaking happy mail

[01:11:46] Could you sign it? Uh what never in my life would I yeah

[01:11:49] Never in my life

[01:11:53] Uh, you gotta say underwear like it's going over hill

[01:11:56] Well, I had to interview him because he was also one of the best villains on the show 24

[01:12:01] And he joked about how he would get seen by kids at disney world and he'd be like your parents let you watch that show

[01:12:10] Do you think oh yes parents will let kids watch lots of things

[01:12:14] You get a sense of that with music though too where they're like, yeah, they've heard every foul mouth, you know rap lyric or

[01:12:20] Oh, yeah

[01:12:22] Stuff and we saw a lot of youngsters at wu tang lots of kids. Yeah your recent wu tang

[01:12:27] I mean wu tang is for the children as odb said right?

[01:12:32] I feel like people are getting less restrictive on ratings, especially because now half the time they don't even

[01:12:38] pick up on

[01:12:39] Putting the explicit rating on something unless they're like, yeah, we gotta put it there

[01:12:45] It's a disclaimer. Yeah, where is tipper gore these days?

[01:12:51] I asked someone one of my guests the other day and uh is like so is megan d stallion dirty rap or contemporary rap

[01:12:58] The answer is yes

[01:13:01] Totally

[01:13:03] But she's also it was hard for me because i'm like, yeah

[01:13:06] But she's very self-aware to where she's being satirical and it's like yeah, it's still it's pretty dirty. It's pretty sexy

[01:13:15] Bothers ben shapiro to no end. Oh my god

[01:13:20] I don't even know like even if I was the most fucked up

[01:13:24] The government wronged me dickhead. Why would I want to listen to that instill like why

[01:13:28] Is why have we ever thought about or if we consider that it's probably some sort of health problem if she has a wap

[01:13:35] My wife never had a wap. I'll tell you that. Oh my god, even the young turks encountered him at a

[01:13:41] Convention like debating panel and they're like yeah, I gotta go with the crazies and it's like see

[01:13:47] That's why I can't respect any of these fuckers. You know

[01:13:50] What lois common denominator you are catering to?

[01:13:55] If you're so smart, you would probably be able to figure it out

[01:13:58] and

[01:13:59] Have your own voice instead of i'm gonna be a pretender. I'm gonna

[01:14:04] Make up all the shit that alex jones hasn't covered yet

[01:14:09] He's one of those paths, uh of the

[01:14:12] unsuccessful screenwriter

[01:14:14] Exactly

[01:14:16] That's what he wanted to do someone in hollywood wrong me. Therefore. I hate all liberals

[01:14:20] Yes

[01:14:21] liberal

[01:14:22] Rebel liberal hollywood. That's totally keeping point. That's why i'm gonna make these movies

[01:14:27] With all of the people who have been canceled but still get work and haven't really changed the lives

[01:14:32] I'm sick of that. I'm sick of the comedians

[01:14:35] The jim norton's the world. You know, it might be funny because you suck

[01:14:42] Happy

[01:14:44] Thanks, though

[01:14:47] You're so mean and then go ahead and bash the transgender slam. Oh, okay

[01:14:52] I see mr. Fucking prick

[01:14:54] Pissed off

[01:14:55] Forgetting that comedy is not supposed to be about punching down. That's punching up

[01:15:01] There you go

[01:15:02] Should I tell him that to opi and antony? You'll be dead. Just trying to make any sense of those fuckers

[01:15:08] Are they still around

[01:15:10] They've split up and doing these feuds and again

[01:15:15] some of the people on compound comedy seem to be nice and have gone into podcasting circles, but

[01:15:21] Come on

[01:15:22] If you got your start on fox news, you already don't have any respect for me

[01:15:27] Yeah, that's that's a rough hole to dig out of that place. Yeah, I know remember when megan kelly tried to do that

[01:15:33] See, i'm a real journalist

[01:15:36] And i'm bashing every celeb in my talk show and it's like yeah, okay sure

[01:15:43] Yikes yikes

[01:15:45] We're talking about before just seeing all these other guys pretending to be the smartest tool in the shed

[01:15:50] Um, my father was trying to follow one of these

[01:15:53] Scientists who was talking about

[01:15:56] What the agenda was in terms of how everyone got vaxed and how there were different types of vaccines and I was like

[01:16:01] Yeah, well they might have been a bright guy

[01:16:03] But if the only crowd they could cater to was joe rogan

[01:16:07] then I don't believe any shit they said even if it was true because

[01:16:12] You know, how low do you have to stoop to get someone to listen to you?

[01:16:16] Oh, man

[01:16:18] Just asking questions, dude

[01:16:20] Oh my god

[01:16:21] That or look it up. All right, look it up followed by an adam carolla. You're not changing anything

[01:16:29] It's all here on wikipedia, right? Yeah. Oh wikipedia fake news

[01:16:38] This has been great, uh mark and darren, uh, anything you guys would actually like to promote

[01:16:45] Um i'd like to promote

[01:16:48] Starting a band

[01:16:50] Go start a band if you want to

[01:16:53] And uh, check out downtrodden

[01:16:56] uh

[01:16:57] d-o-w-n-t-r-o-d-n

[01:16:59] because

[01:17:01] I don't know why that we were just destined to be spelled wrong on flyers, uh everywhere we went and

[01:17:09] I think my guitar player thought that it would be easier to trademark the name later on which doesn't fucking matter

[01:17:16] Um

[01:17:18] Are you sure? Yeah, look up

[01:17:20] It might mean something. I think I saw the illuminati in there sometimes somewhere

[01:17:26] Somewhere in our symbol in our symbolism

[01:17:29] We did

[01:17:30] No, that was a different it wasn't our band's t-shirt

[01:17:34] Somebody claimed to be a satanist at a show in bristol tennessee

[01:17:37] And wanted to trade somebody a shirt for a shirt because they were sure

[01:17:42] They saw some sort of symbol in the thing. We definitely didn't hang out with him all night, but

[01:17:47] Uh, I sort of you're like, I guess i'll take it if it gets to sell

[01:17:53] Yeah, if you sell yeah, you live off your merch on the road

[01:17:58] and uh podcast wise

[01:18:00] Right now mainly I would say check out psychosemantic one word

[01:18:05] Yep looking forward to what you cover next because as you say congress is back in session after

[01:18:11] uh doing their usual reacharounds and

[01:18:14] well, uh procrastinating yep fundraising and uh

[01:18:19] all that fun stuff leading up to the

[01:18:23] Next round of fundraising and uh, yeah

[01:18:26] So probably the next episode will be if it everything goes the way it goes. I'll be vague enough. So

[01:18:34] You're not vague happening. You're just right. Um

[01:18:38] Have a friend who just got back from hawaii and is newly enraged about environmental politics

[01:18:46] So we'll probably be

[01:18:48] Doing that uh forward to that soon here might and yes

[01:18:54] There's plenty of save the environment movies you can probably cover

[01:18:57] Like those did a good job or just did on deadly ground where oh what confusing what?

[01:19:04] Yeah

[01:19:05] We'll go really

[01:19:07] Out of left field and or not left field but harder to find I get like meet the apple gates

[01:19:12] Oh, there you go. Yeah, it's a fun one that comes on showtime still

[01:19:16] Oh does it I haven't seen it forever. But yeah, it was one one of the like

[01:19:22] Bunch of vhs's my dad had

[01:19:26] When I was in high school lucky

[01:19:28] Yeah

[01:19:31] Anyway, yeah start a band paint a picture if I can

[01:19:37] Check out my podcast

[01:19:39] In that order

[01:19:44] All right

[01:19:46] I'll echo that same sentiment and say if you live in a small town and you don't know enough

[01:19:52] Other kids that are into the stuff that you're into to start like a band use technology and start your own band

[01:19:56] You can just do it as a one-man person

[01:19:58] There's a zillion different ways to do everything or you know, maybe you think music is like your art of choice

[01:20:04] Try try painting a painting or making, you know a short film or a music video or something. There's all

[01:20:09] All kinds of different ways to express yourself and kind of get your voice out to people and well

[01:20:16] They might not all make you a bunch of money. But uh, you know the feeling you'll get the people you'll meet will make it

[01:20:20] all worth the journey

[01:20:23] And also check out doing the nasty. We're about three. Yeah three episodes left. I think one

[01:20:28] of those

[01:20:30] Does it in his thing?

[01:20:32] I did put together a spotify playlist

[01:20:35] That's a little easier to find on there

[01:20:36] If you just search doing the nasty season two

[01:20:39] My main podcast project for about the last year three three-ish years is getting through the all the tier three video nasty list searcher movies

[01:20:47] About 82 of them. I think that were banned in the uk

[01:20:52] It was very eye-opening especially what some of the ones dunkin was reacting to he's like that's got banned

[01:20:57] What?

[01:20:58] Yeah, a lot of them are deadly scarring

[01:21:01] Right, definitely. We we talk about a lot on the shows or it's like the poster scared him off or something

[01:21:07] Yeah

[01:21:07] Yeah

[01:21:07] If you had an offensive box cover that had like a power tool on it or mentioned killing or you know

[01:21:13] The first five minutes has like a titty in it or something. You're probably getting banned

[01:21:17] So a lot of those movies get into that interesting discussion is like, oh too much nudity is bad

[01:21:23] But oh I can see people chopped up in virtually every way. That's not good

[01:21:27] Okay, exactly

[01:21:30] It's kind of like when you see comedians like oh so I can't make this joke

[01:21:33] But you guys laughed at the dead kid joke what the fuck is wrong with you guys?

[01:21:38] Yeah, there's not not a lot of sense in how that that list was put together and we try and dissect those movies

[01:21:43] As much as we can a lot of them are just absolute fucking torture etc. So

[01:21:49] But the in one of these last episodes buried

[01:21:53] Yeah, the thing is on one of these last couple episodes probably paired up with some fucking awful piece of shit but

[01:22:00] Yeah

[01:22:01] It's all over the place on that list

[01:22:04] So it's been a fun. It's been a fun journey over the last three years and we're getting ready to wrap that guy up

[01:22:10] So yeah, check that out

[01:22:14] Lovely lovely thanks a lot for instigating this conversation man

[01:22:18] Yeah

[01:22:24] I hope I did not instigate but yeah

[01:22:26] It was just one of those i'm like I gotta give you guys a moment in the sun. I gotta

[01:22:32] I need some positive vibes

[01:22:34] I've seen I mean we we chatted with legion podcast short near himself ricky morgan a few

[01:22:39] A month a month back too

[01:22:42] Oh, yes, he's usually pretty positive. Oh always but I had no idea that he

[01:22:47] With his look I knew he did rock music in his local

[01:22:51] Tennessee, but I had no idea he

[01:22:53] Literally is like the steve perry of his of journey

[01:22:57] I'll look alike and sound alike in his hometown. I'm like no way

[01:23:01] Okay

[01:23:03] So talked a lot about that and farm life. It's like that's that's cool

[01:23:08] Nice show everyone there's human stories to tell instead of how it'd be a giant corporate one

[01:23:14] Yes, this podcast was not written by ai

[01:23:16] Yes, we we respect everybody and so far the strikes still suffering

[01:23:23] And the only ones who've not caved to the pressure have been

[01:23:26] Disney and netflix. So now you know guys they they don't value

[01:23:30] real people

[01:23:32] Yeah, a24 has been allowed to work for a while now because they already amc

[01:23:36] I saw those things amc just resumed all its tv show filming. So that tells you a lot

[01:23:41] I heard drew barry more across the picket line today. I don't I don't want to time stamp your episode

[01:23:46] I'm not sure when this is going to come out. Oh, well, I mean

[01:23:51] It's timely in any way, I mean

[01:23:55] By their way, I mean

[01:23:57] This is eye-opening to

[01:23:59] See that people are finally putting a line in the sand the same don't rip off my persona

[01:24:06] Don't assault me don't rip me off

[01:24:09] Don't assault me don't rip me off don't

[01:24:13] Don't cheat me residuals

[01:24:16] Yeah

[01:24:18] Long time writers. Yeah. Anyway kudos to friend dresser for being a real life nanny. So right. Yeah

[01:24:25] support the workers

[01:24:27] Corporate always has more money and more power even if it's

[01:24:30] People doing quote unquote better than you

[01:24:34] Bingo

[01:24:35] Everybody's got somebody

[01:24:37] With more power and more money over them. Absolutely sported conventions

[01:24:42] The last convention I think I

[01:24:45] Went to that. I was proud of was probably in 2014 because half the proceeds went to a dog charity

[01:24:49] So look for some of those i'm sure they're out there

[01:24:52] Support your local comic book shop support your local again musicians

[01:24:56] Support anybody who's got a dream help them realize it

[01:24:59] Is

[01:25:02] It'll be a glum

[01:25:03] Tide lifts all boats and other cliches I should have written down to make sure I had them right. Yeah

[01:25:11] Yeah, this boat will not sink i'll give you that

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