Interview with Actor, Producer & Entrepreneur Jesus Nebot

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[00:00:45] Once again on the JURS podcast we have no shortage of inspirational interviews and discussions.

[00:00:53] I'm your host, Soley. Once again I got actor and activist Jesus DeVote and he is here to promote

[00:01:00] some other happenings that's been occurring lately and you've seen him guest star on NYPD Blue

[00:01:08] and Arrested Development and I've been a huge fan of his since the multi-festival award-winning

[00:01:15] movie No Turning Back first came on the DVD scene and here he is to talk about just so many other

[00:01:22] just social concerns and current events that he hopes to just make very present in his

[00:01:30] upcoming projects. How are you doing sir? I'm doing great Cam, thank you for the beautiful

[00:01:34] introduction. I try and it's just also just you've worn so many hats and so many of your movies

[00:01:47] just for constantly on cable TV and you're one of many talents who have been kind of these

[00:01:53] invisible warriors for lack of better description who have been around for years but

[00:01:58] it's a good reminder to others that hey you know just because we don't know your name doesn't

[00:02:02] mean we haven't seen you in so many different projects and I just love how you've done everything from

[00:02:10] teaching acting to again just stressing just current events that need to be addressed.

[00:02:16] Where do you think this courage first manifested itself? You know I feel that there has always

[00:02:23] been an interest in my part to express myself creatively. I was not very clear how I could

[00:02:28] do that. I didn't feel I was very talented painting or sculpturing or doing many other

[00:02:36] ways that I could express myself and I don't know I got into acting in a very very weird way

[00:02:43] quite frankly it was not something that initially I had in mind but somehow as you know my name is

[00:02:51] Jesus and that consciousness of Jesus has been very present in me and he has been an important

[00:02:58] role model in my life quite frankly. Oh lovely. Yeah and what I realized is that not just Jesus

[00:03:07] but Jesus as well as most spiritual masters you can think about Buddha or Krishna or Muhammad

[00:03:16] they were all at the core they were all excellent storytellers and they used their

[00:03:22] storytelling ability to convey stories that you know had the ability to connect us with our

[00:03:28] two essence and bring wisdom to us if you will and so I figured out that if I was going to follow

[00:03:37] Jesus one possible way for me was to make films that were socially relevant films that

[00:03:45] had something to say films that ultimately would give us the opportunity to empathize with others

[00:03:50] and to awaken our compassion and our love for one another and and I think that that's what I have

[00:03:57] expired always as an independent filmmaker with all my work. Oh lovely, beautifully rendered and

[00:04:05] it kind of just makes us remind ourselves you know how we always say the sky's the limit

[00:04:10] if we really want to we can say there is no limit. True, true I did come from a family background

[00:04:19] where anybody was involved in the arts I had no interest initially to you know dedicate myself

[00:04:27] to this but like I said I had this this opportunity and it all came to be completely honest

[00:04:35] it all came because I have had this consciousness always I was you know very much into peace for

[00:04:43] the world and at one point I was born in Spain and in Spain it was mandatory to do the military

[00:04:50] service oh wow and for me it didn't make sense that I would dedicate myself being a pacifist

[00:04:58] to dedicate myself a whole year to train myself for war when I believed that that was not

[00:05:02] the answer to our problems and that what we had to is learn how to love one another

[00:05:07] and not necessarily go out war with each other and unfortunately because of that I could

[00:05:13] I'm not gonna continue with my career my initial intent when I was you know when I was a teenage

[00:05:20] was to work as perhaps for the UNICEF or for United Nations working at capacity as an

[00:05:29] ambassador for world peace but because I did not follow through with my military service in Spain

[00:05:36] I was discriminated in the sense that I could not perceive I could not pursue my education

[00:05:42] in public colleges that I was intended to do and that's how this all came about I thought well

[00:05:48] what do I want to dedicate my life to and as a peacemaker I thought well here's a possibility

[00:05:54] to dedicate myself to the arts in a way that I could make a difference in presenting works of art

[00:06:00] that can eventually give us the opportunity to reflect on who we are and and ultimately

[00:06:07] awaking our common humanity perfect it's easier to be a mascot let alone

[00:06:15] represent a bigger image as opposed to dedicate yourself to a cause that ultimately

[00:06:21] goes against every principle in your body um so you've lived in numerous areas you've lived

[00:06:28] in so many different countries you've been in so many different kinds of productions from

[00:06:33] telenovelas to romantic dramas to the HBO movie final voyage well what

[00:06:39] what why do you think you're so good at just

[00:06:43] just still just shifting through and finding a new challenge finding a new

[00:06:50] surrounding that does illustrate well I'll tell you what um and excuse me because my phone is ringing

[00:06:57] but I'll tell you what um I think initially I knew that I had to do all kinds of work

[00:07:06] all kinds of work to find my path and I did that in other countries you're right about that

[00:07:12] I started my career in Spain and then I had the opportunity to um star in some telenovelas

[00:07:21] they are the typical soap operas that we you have here in the U.S except that over there

[00:07:26] they are primetime programming so uh they they don't you know instead during the morning you

[00:07:31] have them on a primetime and you know definitely can make you become very popular very very fast

[00:07:38] once I achieve that um level of um I don't know of fame if you will once I was able to

[00:07:46] have that cloud I just did not want to stay in that latino market I really wanted to

[00:07:53] move forward with my life and try to figure out ways in which I could have more creative

[00:07:58] control over my career if you will and that's when I eventually ended up coming to the U.S

[00:08:04] and when I came here I wanted to initially do theater and I wrote some theater and then

[00:08:10] I jumped into producing into producing films and you know I basically had the awareness

[00:08:16] that for me to have creative control on what I had to do I had to become a producer

[00:08:22] and that's how I ended up and as a producer and as an actor and as a director I have focused in

[00:08:29] this type of films that are independent in nature that have that uh commonality of uh aspiring to

[00:08:36] bring the best in us as human beings um but then of course you have that other side of you

[00:08:41] that says well I have to still pay the bills and I have ended up doing all kinds of different

[00:08:47] jobs in terms of acting and not so much producing not so much directing but in terms of acting

[00:08:53] um lately I'd say that I'm more picky about what I do I have a very full life doing other

[00:08:59] things I'm an entrepreneur I have a real estate business uh my beautiful wife is an actor herself

[00:09:05] and and she's kind of the start of the family right now so right now I focus on making films

[00:09:11] whenever I feel like I go and I produce I lately have done a couple of films I did

[00:09:16] American Nightmare American Nightmare where I was directing producing and acting but that was

[00:09:21] the short film and and recently I did a film called One of These Days that have to do with uh

[00:09:28] Police Brutality and that film is now going through the film festival circuit eventually

[00:09:34] it will be released but like I said they are independent films that probably won't reach a

[00:09:40] large audience but allows me to really feel fulfilled as an actor and as a director or

[00:09:45] producer if you will and and you know I think that my commitment is that it doesn't really matter

[00:09:51] how I exert myself it doesn't matter if it's acting or directing or giving a speech or talking on an

[00:09:57] interview what matters the most is what's what is it what is my intent behind and my intent

[00:10:03] behind like I said is ultimately to the working of a common humanity and yes Jesus did it with

[00:10:09] beautiful stories and so many other story storytellers and wonderful filmmakers are doing it

[00:10:15] some other people can use it for many other purposes just for entertainment alone and I

[00:10:19] have no judgment about it I don't think there's anything wrong with it but as a creator that's

[00:10:25] been my focus and therefore I have not been as prolific as many other people because I am very

[00:10:31] picky as to what I get involved in but I'm very proud of what I've done. Oh that's lovely and

[00:10:39] you're no turning back co-star Joe Estevez who I've actually still kept in touch with over the

[00:10:44] years has had a similar kind of perspective just you know put a price on certain things and then

[00:10:49] you know once again adjust what stuff you know really rewards you emotionally as a performer

[00:10:58] versus tells a great story and you know let the dominoes fall where they do instead of

[00:11:05] getting all caught up in the fame the glory the fortunes you know. Yes and what is interesting

[00:11:12] is that when you are I mean the type of films that I've done may not have a large audience but

[00:11:18] quite frankly they remain relevant through the years. You're talking about not turning back and

[00:11:23] it's a film that has close to 20 years and I just get some checks from selling the film

[00:11:28] and it is because it's about immigration and immigration is still at the forefront

[00:11:33] of our political discourse of our still a very sad topic we're still here and kind of like

[00:11:41] guns and abortion no one wants to come up with a solution like can we make it to where it's easier

[00:11:46] to get in can we you know stop having all this red tape instead of the shaming process it's very

[00:11:54] saddening every time it is brought up and it's like but there's no solution there is there

[00:11:58] should be a solution. Yes yes yeah and and I think it's because these subjects are heavily

[00:12:05] politicized and unfortunately they're used to divide us as people and it's sad when we could have

[00:12:13] find some common ground in the case of immigration I mean I am an immigrant myself I was undocumented

[00:12:19] immigrant at some point and I find this. I have friends who are still undocumented they have a

[00:12:24] green card and they've surpassed it but I'm always very very careful because I don't want

[00:12:30] any fed with too many time too much time on his hands to get the wrong idea you know

[00:12:36] and it's a shame so it's a shit I mean much like you're talking about with this new

[00:12:42] documentary that you come out with it's really a shame that we've now had to kind of police

[00:12:46] the police too even though that's a you know century wide issue at this point. Yes

[00:12:53] no you're right you're right but you know I think that we're heavily divided in our

[00:12:57] society nowadays obviously among across different subjects and at the end of the day if you really

[00:13:05] talk to people first of all you realize that in essence we're all the same you we're we we all strive

[00:13:13] for a better life we all strive to to provide for our family we all strive to you know live a

[00:13:20] decent life in terms of being able to you know have friendships and and and address the issues that are

[00:13:29] you know separating us from a perspective that is usually not that divided as it's presented by

[00:13:38] politicians but somehow politics brings the worst in us and unfortunately there are some

[00:13:45] political leaders that will use that for their own political gain and immigration is one of them

[00:13:52] I mean it is a clear example so there is this narrative of illegal aliens coming here and

[00:13:57] stealing our jobs and and being now they're even talking about terrorists coming through the border

[00:14:03] and oh yeah and all that and quite frankly the vast majority of immigrants they come here

[00:14:09] seeking a better life for themselves pursuing the American dream and in most cases especially

[00:14:14] those that are seeking asylum is they're really fleeing life threatening violence

[00:14:18] on extreme poverty and we all would do that same thing in those circumstances but somehow

[00:14:25] we hear the narrative that is presented to us through the politics and all of a sudden we take

[00:14:32] sides in one way or another and we seem to be so heavily divided but in truth we're not nobody

[00:14:37] wants criminals coming through the border of course we're on the same page with that

[00:14:40] but at the same time why not give opportunity to people that come here seeking a better life when in

[00:14:46] fact we do need them to grow our economy right now as it is you know unemployment is very low

[00:14:54] and by and large these immigrants are coming to fill jobs that Americans by and large don't

[00:14:59] want to do or at least don't want to do those low wages so they help us to develop our economy

[00:15:06] they make our country strong but like I said the vast majority are people that are coming with those

[00:15:12] world wonderful intentions yet sometimes they are perceived under the eyes of illegal aliens and all

[00:15:19] of a sudden just the terminology alone illegal alien creates animosity and a separation with

[00:15:25] that person that in and of itself is not real you know should not exist they're just people

[00:15:32] like us doing the same thing but we were doing their circumstances so I think the story telling

[00:15:37] allow us to to reach that gap that that is created and allow us like in the case of not turning

[00:15:45] back you were talking about man this is a case of an undocumented immigrant that came to this

[00:15:49] country and for and it's based on it's inspired on actual events and he was involved in that

[00:15:55] yeah car accident and he panicked and he ran away and in this car accident there was a little

[00:16:01] girl that died so this is an immigrant undocumented immigrant that you know comes to the US kills

[00:16:07] a child and runs away most people thought there is no way anybody's going to care about that film

[00:16:14] like you know and and surely I had a very hard time with the financing in the film but I

[00:16:19] sincerely thought that if anybody would get into understanding his life and the love of

[00:16:24] this little daughter that he had then they were people would care and would empathize and

[00:16:28] would have compassion and and and so that's how this film not turning back came about and it just

[00:16:34] done with a free basic truce you told actual truce in the movie you had a wonderful cast

[00:16:41] including lindsay price and yes you could host your film crew for making it bigger than it was

[00:16:47] and because like you say it's just so hard to make a consistent movie when you're having

[00:16:53] financial backers just constantly play games and well the industry it is an industry and of

[00:16:59] course they want to see they want to see the payoffs so when I was at the time looking for

[00:17:04] financing they would ask you so so who wrote the movie and I said well I did and who's directing

[00:17:10] well I am and there's a handsome guy right here you know who's in it you know the big question

[00:17:15] who's in it so you know ultimately people end up financing films that they feel are going to

[00:17:22] be successful based on the name talent that they have and I do not have a budget to obviously afford

[00:17:28] that nor did I think that was going to service my film well so but you know you'll be surprised this

[00:17:34] film has been sold to to you know like 70 countries it's a film that has won like 25 international

[00:17:42] film festival awards it's a film that has made money with that in and if itself is a wonderful

[00:17:47] success for an independent film and so you know at the end of the day if you really if you are

[00:17:55] passionate about what you do and you have clarity and you have a vision you can get a group of people

[00:18:00] that really will come to to make that vision into fruition and you can make a wonderful film

[00:18:07] so there is no need to have name talent there is no need to have tons of money to make a great

[00:18:12] film what matters is that you have a lot of clarity as to what you want to say and that you're very

[00:18:18] committed to your vision because it is true it's going to be very difficult so you do a level of

[00:18:23] passion and commitment to enroll others into into your story and and make it happen for real so

[00:18:31] it's not easy but it's possible and obviously my example I hope inspires others to do something

[00:18:38] similar if they want to pursue this career totally totally concur I've been on numerous

[00:18:44] indie films and it's been the same story every time you know is like if you lose interest in this

[00:18:50] it's not going to get done it doesn't matter how much you've spent on it if you are not

[00:18:55] like invested in it emotionally 100% and I almost look at it like when you're doing an auction

[00:19:02] you know it's like what's your limit how much are you willing to bid on this if you don't have a

[00:19:06] stopping point there's no telling when you will finally just burn out and say you know man I've

[00:19:11] lost everything I don't want to do this anymore and I think your movie also just works so well because

[00:19:19] you know it should not be as obscure as it is but it's I think the reason it was just such a

[00:19:26] rental success is it was fast paced it and knew when to speak up on the different topics and

[00:19:34] have them serve the bigger narrative and then the tragic end felt so real didn't feel Hollywoodized

[00:19:40] and it it just painted like you say a bigger picture it just food for thought in addition to

[00:19:46] dramatic frills and I'm seeing there's kind of an increase in that now where

[00:19:54] now that we can do stuff digitally and you were coming in kind of as that scene was about to

[00:19:59] start up it's interesting how now that we got these shortcuts there really isn't any excuse for why

[00:20:06] we can't find other ways to do it with crowdfunding and all that is

[00:20:11] true well what have you made of this latest developments and changes well I mean technology

[00:20:18] is definitely giving us the opportunity to become storytellers with a very very little

[00:20:24] budget we all have the opportunity to even with our phone camera and to make a movie nowadays

[00:20:31] the difficulty is the distribution and so this is the easiest of times to create product but there

[00:20:40] is a lot of content out there and the distribution still is difficult because when it comes to

[00:20:45] distribution if you want to do it let's say for example in theaters you're competing with

[00:20:49] the big films that have a lot of budget in terms of advertising and yeah it makes it very difficult

[00:20:58] for you to do well so you know most people look other avenues to distribute their films

[00:21:04] and and you can do that I think we all have to get creative and we all need to be a good business

[00:21:12] people in terms of succeeding in our industry so it's not just about being

[00:21:16] making something creative interesting but it's also about you understanding that if you are going to do

[00:21:22] this as an independent filmmaker you're going to have to also become an independent distributor

[00:21:27] you're also going to have to take that film to different festivals win awards get good reviews

[00:21:32] and get everything that is needed so that you get then an audience for it and quite frankly

[00:21:39] you mentioned something about not turning back which is true which is a you know

[00:21:42] story that is socially relevant but the way it's told is in itself you could argue that

[00:21:47] is entertaining and ultimately as filmmakers you know when you paint when you do other things with

[00:21:53] the arts you're not playing with other people's budgets you are not having a big crew so your

[00:22:01] responsibility is very limited you can just do whatever you want to be fully self-expressed

[00:22:05] and that's it that's what I've done and so be it but when you're being a filmmaker there are

[00:22:10] some additional responsibilities you are usually borrowing money from other people

[00:22:14] and you're usually having the support of many other people and therefore you do have a responsibility

[00:22:21] to make sure that I film can find its audience so if you make something that is really obscure

[00:22:27] or something that is really dark or or maybe socially relevant but very slow pace not well

[00:22:34] put together in terms of the the script yeah you can find yourself putting a lot of money or

[00:22:42] playing with a lot of money from other people I'm not able to deliver and that's why quite frankly

[00:22:48] there are many independent filmmakers that they are able to make one film and that's it many

[00:22:54] many and it is difficult there are actually many filmmakers that they have made a movie

[00:22:59] that has never been distributed it has all the effort to to write it to produce it to get the team

[00:23:06] to and then you don't have the money or you don't have the the means or or whatever to

[00:23:12] to distribute it or maybe the content of it is just not that interesting for some people to think

[00:23:16] that it deserves to be seen by a by a big audience so yeah um I you have to keep that in mind

[00:23:23] when you work in this industry you have to make projects that are true to who you are as a human

[00:23:30] being that express your you know whatever you want to express as an artist but at the same time keeping

[00:23:36] in mind that you have to do it in a way that will you know that will get an audience interested in

[00:23:42] it um and that's that's fundamental because that's different in other art forms but

[00:23:48] in filmmaking is very important concur concur and it's just kind of a shame that so many

[00:23:54] markets have been oversaturated to where you really don't know when a one-of-a-kind kind of movie that

[00:24:02] is its own blood is its own ideas will emerge again because it's just so easy to kind of

[00:24:08] want to build on the previous success and I feel for all so many people who we're again

[00:24:15] so many hats have a big voice but don't then you get a mixture of they got a great idea but

[00:24:21] they don't know how to you know direct it or put it into script format so they need some other people

[00:24:28] to collaborate with it's the puzzle sometimes my advice is make sure you have a very very solid

[00:24:37] script because the script you can develop with other people if you do it yourself

[00:24:45] it won't cost you anything um but I would suggest that you do it professionally in other words

[00:24:52] it's very important I tell you what I honestly think that 50 percent of the success if not more

[00:24:59] 50 percent of the success of a film is the script if you have a great script you can make a great

[00:25:05] movie if you don't have a great script it doesn't matter how much money you put into it

[00:25:10] it's just not going to work so why do I say this because once you have a solid script first of all

[00:25:17] it's easier to attract the people that are going to believe in the script to make it happen

[00:25:23] where is the financiers or the crew etc and secondly because that phase of development

[00:25:31] like I said costs very little or nothing it's just you working maybe with with a professional

[00:25:36] writer if you create that partnership but once you get into pre-production and production and

[00:25:42] production that's what all the people pose out really fast so you cannot start improvising

[00:25:49] in that moment I'd say make sure that you have a very great script and make sure that you also

[00:25:55] have a very solid pre-production that you can do with two or three people before you get into

[00:26:00] production and I think that is a very key element for you to succeeding in this industry

[00:26:07] you cannot start playing and improvising during production and I think that's a pitfall of many

[00:26:16] filmmakers that go to production and then all of a sudden they go to a location and they have

[00:26:22] insecure location and all of a sudden something happens they cannot shoot in a location and they

[00:26:27] have to improvise not next thing you know they have to shoot for another one or two days because

[00:26:31] they couldn't so that's that's where all the nightmares happen and where films go out of

[00:26:36] budget and and and that's what I would suggest the people focus on making sure that you have a

[00:26:42] very good script from the get go that is really exciting enough send it to your friends and send

[00:26:47] it to people that you don't know and get their feedback and they are all excited they really

[00:26:52] love it then that's a good sign then you can maybe start looking into producing it but not beforehand

[00:27:00] thousand percent I see so many people who are like afraid to show their mom and pa and it's like

[00:27:05] well if they're not movie people show it to your top five friends you know come on yes yes

[00:27:11] absolutely yes you know I understand people think they're gonna steal my idea no at some point

[00:27:16] you do hope to help yeah I would get that too I'm like they've signed an nda that's not even part of

[00:27:23] this discussion no you know yeah yeah because it's gonna haunt you down the road even if it's

[00:27:29] 20 years down the road if you go man but if I got just you know five other people just

[00:27:34] you know whispering in my ear I suggest it that would have made me avoid all this trouble

[00:27:38] you know yes yes I agree with you you do need to hear the feedback that is coming your way

[00:27:45] and you cannot be stubborn about it and like I said developing a great script that does take time

[00:27:50] and it does take a lot of craft I don't want people to take it lightly I consider myself

[00:27:58] very good in honestly I feel that my biggest strength has been not so much that I'm such

[00:28:04] a great actor writer or director or producer my biggest strength is that I've been very

[00:28:08] clear into what I wanted to do and I've been able with that clarity attract the right people

[00:28:14] that were really talented to make it happen so you know when you're a filmmaker ultimately you are a

[00:28:19] leader and you need to enroll others into your vision and that's the most important thing if

[00:28:25] you're really good and you have a very clear vision a very wonderful idea that is on paper

[00:28:30] in a very solid way you will get the right people and you will get maybe the right

[00:28:35] writer that will come on board to make it even better so but yeah writing it is it does require

[00:28:45] a lot of craft it's not something that you can just improvise it's not enough to have the great

[00:28:49] idea you then you need to develop it and so in my scripts I mean the short films no I have

[00:28:56] written on my own but in my even my not turning back I did have a co-writer and she was a

[00:29:02] professional writer and she brought her own wisdom and both of us were able to pull it off

[00:29:07] but like I said you have to sometimes surrender yourself with the right people to make things

[00:29:11] happen and make sure they are you know as strong as they could be lovely and see this is just

[00:29:19] what's so heartwarming about these chats and you're about the third guest I've had on who's

[00:29:23] talked about how everyone wants to feel validated from overall the same ultimate goals

[00:29:29] and but it's just also seems like so many people just need to keep just being patient

[00:29:36] and finding reliable peers instead of just getting drawn out by the toxicity of real life you know

[00:29:45] I've seen how Edward James almost has kind of been everyone's dad on every other film or tv

[00:29:51] production he's been on where he's just gotten the directors comfortable and he's

[00:29:56] kind of coached everyone into hey we're in it to win it this is like a basketball you know tournament

[00:30:01] and what would you say has been some of your other just great people you've surrounded yourself with

[00:30:10] who have helped you help with your modus operandi and helped with your mental health

[00:30:16] and just clarity on what you want on every project well every project is unique and it

[00:30:22] is a team effort for sure and I have so much appreciation and love for the people that have

[00:30:28] worked with me through the years in different projects but by and large my the people that

[00:30:34] I've worked with has have changed over time you know people move forward in their lives

[00:30:39] with different things and when you are working with little budget most of the times you're

[00:30:44] working with people that are starting in the business and I think what gives you

[00:30:47] satisfaction is seeing people that like I said that maybe they have never done a film

[00:30:53] and then to see them afterwards after they've worked with you and they've had that experience

[00:30:57] to be able to branch out and have some other things and work in bigger productions and then

[00:31:02] I cannot hire them but how happy I am that they have a beautiful career I know the feeling

[00:31:08] yeah you know I'll tell you my biggest support and partner has been my wife Susana Santiago

[00:31:16] that is in and of itself a wonderful actor and producer and my couple of last two projects

[00:31:22] have produced with her and I think because we both have similar backgrounds we were both

[00:31:31] I mean we were actually both born in Spain although we met in the US but not so much about that

[00:31:39] not even so much about the fact that we're both you know actors but just spiritually speaking

[00:31:45] and creatively speaking we have very similar ideas and we support one another I am very visionary

[00:31:52] in nature but I'm very disorganized and I need someone that brings to me that level of organization

[00:31:58] skills that are needed to make things happen and she brings that to the table so I'd say that I

[00:32:05] want to give kudos to my to Susana Santiago and and and I think that's the partner that I've

[00:32:11] had through the last almost 20 years that has been consistent in everything I've done creatively

[00:32:18] and has been there for me whether she was involved in it or not but just giving me the space to just

[00:32:23] do whatever I wanted to do and sometimes supporting me as an actor she was an actor on

[00:32:29] American Nightmare which is a short film that I did and she was a producer in one of these days

[00:32:37] which is our latest film where we were both producers and I was also the lead actor

[00:32:44] and American Nightmare interesting enough is a film that had to do with separation of families at the

[00:32:50] border and we were just talking about American Nightmare too because as we have heard Trump has a

[00:32:57] you know a plan to go back of course we all know 2024 and quite frankly it when you hear

[00:33:05] what he says that he wants to do in terms of immigration I mean we just heard a couple of

[00:33:10] days ago him saying that you know that the the neighborhoods are poisoning the blood of Americans

[00:33:21] you know type of language that is really scary you have to go back into Hitler to think people

[00:33:27] talking that way and and he's talking about restoring their zero tolerance policy that was

[00:33:32] responsible for the separation of 5,000 children from from the parents even though that policy has

[00:33:38] been ruled already as illegal and unconstitutional but I don't know I don't know if it's just because

[00:33:43] he wants to get people supporting him or he just really believes that he's going to do this

[00:33:48] it seems that it's a wonderful opportunity for us activists to think how we can

[00:33:53] counteract all this propaganda and all this all all this and so before it becomes a policy

[00:34:00] we're already thinking creatively what is that we can do because I think the Democrats in this

[00:34:05] particular case have not been very good at presenting an alternative narrative for immigration

[00:34:10] or finding good common sense solutions that have been applied and therefore everybody sees

[00:34:16] sees the chaos of the border and therefore what we are losing is the the intimate stories of

[00:34:22] everybody everybody that are coming here and why they're coming here they're not coming here

[00:34:28] you know because they want to they come here because they're desperate they're desperate for

[00:34:31] a better life and we need to understand their stories and that's what Susanna and I intend to do

[00:34:37] now back in this coming year in 2024 as we approach another presidential election if you will.

[00:34:44] I totally feel your pain I have had to unfriend so many people on some of our film sets who

[00:34:50] were sharing a lot of fascist viewpoints they would label anyone they ate as a drug dealer or

[00:34:56] a rapist and I know this is just morbid talking but I also have felt some of your pain I just

[00:35:01] talked to presidential candidate Jay Uggar who's best known for the progressive news network

[00:35:07] The Young Turks and yes, yes, I know him very well and he's running and so

[00:35:12] it's Marianne Williamson by the way that I also think is a wonderful candidate and I think that

[00:35:17] good to have alternatives on the democrat side as well. We have to keep surrendering to the

[00:35:24] police. Absolutely, absolutely so it's unclear yet who's going to be the nominees on both parties

[00:35:31] but seems Trump has a very solid lead and it seems that his crimes or at least the fight

[00:35:37] that he's been indicted for 82 crimes has not stopped him from getting all the necessary

[00:35:43] support to be the leading candidate on the republican side and that itself is

[00:35:48] you know it's sad in my opinion but then again you know it offers us an opportunity to offer an

[00:35:55] alternative vision for the country and I think that it's good to have different voices doing

[00:36:00] that and not just Biden. You have to get everyone ultimate viewpoint and then just

[00:36:11] configure it into where it makes sense logistically and every day and then like you say you do have to

[00:36:18] filter out a lot of the crud that is just so just very reprehensible and it's just

[00:36:29] I should totally interduce you one of these days to my pal Nathaniel Vila

[00:36:33] and Ruby Rodriguez who I've done many PSAs with and it's just been eye-opening how

[00:36:39] sometimes even behind the scenes on a film set you've had to remind people hey

[00:36:43] you know we're talking about sensitive subject matter here would you

[00:36:48] Yell Bomb at an airport same condition here and you can't make these kinds of jokes here on set

[00:36:53] you know we gotta have a clean fast shoot regardless of the budget and

[00:37:00] make sure the intent is clear and it seems like there's still various other festivals

[00:37:07] to your earlier points that do want to have an overall kind of PBS kind of viewpoint on showing

[00:37:15] material that can still be addressed without getting into you know the abyss of just

[00:37:22] disinterested people saying hurtful things.

[00:37:29] Which festivals do you feel have really actually done a good job of illustrating

[00:37:35] just these powerful narratives and been a healthy way to network with other people who

[00:37:43] do want to actually discuss some of life's distrusts and issues.

[00:37:49] So quite frankly I have been a little bit out of the film festival circuit recently I was at

[00:37:55] a film festival in Santa Monica a couple of weeks ago and I was invited to speak about

[00:37:59] this film one of these days and I was there with my co-producer that was telling me

[00:38:05] that the film was having a hard time landing in film festivals precisely because of the

[00:38:11] content being controversial in terms of police brutality and all of it.

[00:38:18] But I think I mean I think there are many festivals in Europe

[00:38:27] that I would say have a very clear mandate and some of them are very focused on particular subjects

[00:38:35] that I feel are doing a wonderful job and are finding audience.

[00:38:40] I think in the US somehow COVID has affected a lot of the film festival circuit there is a

[00:38:46] lot of digital film festivals right now that you watch online.

[00:38:51] I mean definitely you have to have your respect for Sanderson and all the film festivals that

[00:38:57] have done a great job in providing a voice to independent filmmakers.

[00:39:03] But I don't know when you talk about the film festivals I've enjoyed the most

[00:39:08] most of them have been Europe and those festivals do have a budget because in Europe

[00:39:13] they look at film they look at film as cinema they look at us in our form

[00:39:19] and they have subsidies from the government and all of a sudden they can afford to fly a

[00:39:24] filmmaker into their own town and provide you with a hotel and I mean a lot of film festivals in

[00:39:31] the US you have to pay on your own yeah the hotel the food and so what happens is

[00:39:38] you have a lot of independent filmmakers that are really making all this effort and then they

[00:39:42] go to a film festival and with all the respect they don't have an audience over there because

[00:39:47] you know maybe there's 20 people attending the particular film. I'm not blaming the film festivals

[00:39:53] I think that we have come to a time where everything especially since COVID is so easily

[00:40:00] available to us through social media to our phones that we are not attending film festivals

[00:40:05] and engaging as much as we could in these important conversations because I what I like

[00:40:10] the most about the film festival is not just to enjoy the movie but it's the

[00:40:15] conversation that happens after the movie is the Q&A yeah that's where you get to get to know people

[00:40:20] to connect to change ideas to you know I don't know network if you will and and and those things

[00:40:30] I you know like I said when I have attended recently in the US I was a little bit disenchanted

[00:40:36] with the fact that not many people were attending the festivals it is different in Europe

[00:40:41] and I think that part of it is because like I said in the US

[00:40:45] film is look upon as an industry and whereas in Europe we still look upon as a cinema as an art form

[00:40:51] and therefore they do have more means to to reach out to an audience and to bring the

[00:40:56] filmmakers and bring better films and and create a better film film create a better film festival

[00:41:03] basically. Here's hoping because yeah I have seen some issues like that pertaining to certain

[00:41:10] select festivals it does seem like it's possible to do a few different things especially reserved

[00:41:17] local inexpensive theaters or libraries even but like you say it's just attracting a reasonable

[00:41:25] crowd more than 10 people you know. Yeah but listen I at the same time I don't want to

[00:41:33] it is important all film festivals have have a purpose and I think that there are

[00:41:39] filmmakers that didn't have to have to make a choice as to where to attend.

[00:41:46] You know I was thinking about which one has been my favorite film festival based on your question

[00:41:50] and I remember Malaga Film Festival in Spain was really special to me Malaga is a town in the

[00:42:00] south southeast of Spain beautiful weather beautiful city and it is a film festival that

[00:42:09] is basically for first time filmmakers and in this case I'm talking about when I did not turning

[00:42:14] back because that one that was my first feature length film as a filmmaker and I remember there

[00:42:25] being with my family specifically with my parents and I gotta tell you my mother has been

[00:42:31] somehow supportive but that was the case for my father sometimes when you're an independent filmmaker

[00:42:37] you have to look for money between friends and family and you know that very well and you know

[00:42:42] my mom helped me a little bit not so much my father and obviously that's a bit of an issue

[00:42:48] but I invited him to come and see the film and after the film played it was beautiful because

[00:42:55] we were actually on the second level of the theater there were like two different levels

[00:42:59] oh lovely film finished people started clapping and they started clapping on my direction

[00:43:07] and I was there with my father and I gotta tell you I think it's the first time I see my father

[00:43:12] crying oh wow that thought it was so moving that you had the recognition of this huge

[00:43:19] audience that was filling up the festival the theater a plot to you where you are up in the

[00:43:26] balcony and we ended up winning the audience award on that film festival and that was such a

[00:43:34] special and unique experience so I have to tell you that is unusual for you to happen unless

[00:43:41] you happen to go to Sandus and win a sentence okay and then of course yes but we all know

[00:43:47] the chances of that happening are so slim but you know there are other wonderful film festivals so

[00:43:54] don't take me wrong I think that we need to defend from festivals we need to defend people doing

[00:44:00] their best to attending them and filmmakers to do an effort to go to them and creating these

[00:44:06] conversations I'm just saying that since COVID has hit I have noticed how the attendance has

[00:44:12] gone down and how filmmakers have to make this very difficult choice is it worth for me

[00:44:17] to apply to many festivals and pay for the submissions and then eventually attend them

[00:44:22] when it's costing me so much money and then I don't see a payoff because the audience

[00:44:27] is not there for me because I'm not getting maybe the accolades that are significant enough for me

[00:44:32] to be able to sell my movie with them or I'm not getting the reviews from the media because

[00:44:37] the press is not attending the film festival so that's when it becomes difficult but you know

[00:44:43] you have to be you have to choose what type of film you have you have to know where to submit it

[00:44:48] and of course you need to be passionate and follow through and eventually you'll find your

[00:44:53] audience and eventually you may be able to sell the movie or use it as a platform for you to make

[00:44:59] your next film or be hard to do whatever you want to do in life you know as a director

[00:45:04] as a producer or as an actor. Lovely are there any online directories you would recommend I know film

[00:45:11] freeway was kind of going big for a while and then you had to do like some double check to make sure

[00:45:17] that festival was still current? Yes it is current and it's working I think there is a couple of

[00:45:23] other alternatives right now I don't have a preference I think they're good I think it

[00:45:29] works when you create a submission package and then you have them submit to as many as you can

[00:45:36] because nowadays it's very simple you just click which ones you want to submit to and it goes

[00:45:41] you have to pay the fees of course but you know back in the day we have to create like

[00:45:46] you know with envelopes. Is there a rock? Yeah. Send it out and pay the fees and hope that

[00:45:53] it will get there and I mean it was complicated and more expensive so nowadays technology allows us

[00:46:00] as well to do with a click of a bottom make sure that our film goes to as many festivals as you want.

[00:46:08] This is heartwarming to hear and I applaud you for putting that creative pursuit and

[00:46:16] it almost makes one wonder if there are more filmmakers need to kind of start their kind

[00:46:25] of clubs and just say hey let's get in this one giant car and travel to this one part of the country

[00:46:34] together everyone pitches in because I'm seeing still just kind of even post COVID some people

[00:46:43] are hesitant to reach out to other people or they got a complex day job and I get that that's

[00:46:50] that can also be hard to weigh in. Given how your day job is now entrepreneur new what do you

[00:46:58] also recommend for those who are also had their fair share of checkbooks and Microsoft excels

[00:47:08] numerous emails to make. That's one of the areas where my wife also supports me I

[00:47:14] written that is technology related I put it out to her because it's not my forte so I wouldn't be

[00:47:20] the best one quite frankly to advise in that regard but definitely I mean nowadays you even have

[00:47:27] AI right you can do a search yeah whatever you want and that AI is going to give you a much

[00:47:34] better answer that I can you know come up with right now for you but yeah you do have to use

[00:47:40] technology including AI including you know Google and also I think for support there are groups

[00:47:49] you know that you may want to be part of local groups there may be film festival

[00:47:57] film festivals but there is also filmmakers associations that exist independent filmmakers

[00:48:02] and then of course you have the unions if you're able to get into a union so I mean there are ways

[00:48:08] for you to get the support that you need but at the end of the day quite frankly when you start

[00:48:12] in the business it does require a lot of effort on your part I wouldn't give up my job that I

[00:48:20] wouldn't do okay I think it's important that you find a way to keep your job and to still

[00:48:26] do that development phase that we talked about until you have a solid script

[00:48:31] I think that two week vacation and just spend that time

[00:48:36] yeah yeah but uh I mean if you have the money and you have the finding on your

[00:48:40] receive an inheritance by all means go and jump on it right it is a risky business

[00:48:48] and we should not fool people as far as that is concerned

[00:48:51] um but yeah technology helps a lot even with script formatting with anything you do okay so again I

[00:48:59] cannot really be the best right now to give you uh recommendations not to mention that I have been

[00:49:05] kind of semi retired from the industry in many ways recently but uh you have all the tools at

[00:49:13] your disposal just with with a google search and I look for it and look how you can find

[00:49:20] group of peers that support your same have the same vision and how you can work with them have a chat

[00:49:26] group have a support group with people that are like or you can sometimes find them on tiktok you

[00:49:33] can sometimes find them on facebook you know but just people that are on the same wavelength that

[00:49:37] you are that creatively are similar to who you are and then find that support for one another

[00:49:44] that will be very important as well and that's how you can also get a lot of advice from people that

[00:49:49] are on the same page is where you are they're on the same stage of your development or your

[00:49:55] career that you may be uh so that's what I did at the time and that's what I would recommend

[00:50:00] people to do as well this has been just very heartwarming and very enlightening um thank

[00:50:08] you ever so much though for a full hour of this because you know you see so many people who want

[00:50:15] to just you know talk about positive things but they don't initiate these conversations they don't

[00:50:19] initiate these realistic perspectives and so it was cool to kind of get some closure as well as

[00:50:26] reintroducing just kind of the oldest trick in the book you know yes take care of yourself

[00:50:32] take care of other people and then you know if you don't have the time make the time and

[00:50:39] so I'm glad you provided some building blogs as well as just happy to know about

[00:50:44] your reflecting on your accomplishments you know what good is to you Cameron for for having this

[00:50:49] podcast to reach out to others anytime that you know that may that may find some sort of

[00:50:58] inspiration in the world that you do interviewing other actors and and look at these conversations

[00:51:06] to get the advice that they need to move forward so yeah it is important that we do our best

[00:51:13] to create our own dream and then that we do our best to then share that dream that experience

[00:51:19] with others and that we share our knowledge or that we do what you do create a podcast which

[00:51:24] is also another avenue for people to connect with one another and and help each other in our common

[00:51:33] objective to make creative work that is interesting that has something to say that is

[00:51:38] socially relevant that eventually can make an impact in other people's lives one way or another

[00:51:45] I really do appreciate that pat on the back I have gotten some lovely feedback on some of the

[00:51:52] real life stories and perspectives offered on here but yeah ultimately you really do want an

[00:52:00] interview that inspires others to come out of their shell and realize you know they're not alone

[00:52:07] and I fell into this by accident through once again that once covid took over and I was like you

[00:52:14] know I'm seeing kind of a interest in people wanting to embrace the radio side of things

[00:52:19] come up with their own audio dramas you know true crime's a big thing now there was actually a

[00:52:24] wonderful expo here in Dallas about three years ago and they offered some helpful tips on you know

[00:52:32] the do's and don'ts of a history podcast and it's like hey you know you got to interview people

[00:52:38] from all sides if it's a current you know legal matter leave it alone you don't want any of

[00:52:44] that heat you don't want to influence the jury and you if you don't if you know how you want to

[00:52:52] document each episode you still want to hire additional script writers to you know carry the

[00:52:58] momentum of the story forward and don't dramatize it it's you know it's going to do more harm than

[00:53:04] good you know you really want to make sure you're as close to the event as you can and it was

[00:53:10] just yeah you're right people have to get comfortable in their own skin while also

[00:53:17] you know listening to other helpful people instead of just getting annoyed by someone who's kind of

[00:53:24] glam but no substance on their talk show they listen to and it's like well if you don't like

[00:53:30] what you see you know be part of a rise of an influence that you do relate to you know

[00:53:36] it's it's so easy to complain but it also costs nothing to compliment each other you know

[00:53:42] so true I completely agree you know remember when I first come to the US and I was coming as you

[00:53:49] heard from this success in telenovela as being a popular actor and and and I remember when I came

[00:54:01] here I was like this is interesting because I used to I was used to being offered leading roles and

[00:54:08] all of a sudden I come to the US and the roles that they were offering me were depicting Latino

[00:54:13] characters in very poor light yeah drug dealers and the criminals and all that and it was sad and

[00:54:19] I felt like you know that's not my essence you know I'm not okay I can play the villain in a

[00:54:24] given moment in a movie and I can be really creative and fun I have nothing against it

[00:54:29] but ultimately we I was noticing in all these stereotypes that exist and and you know many

[00:54:38] actors just complain they're not giving us opportunities we are being stereotyped you know

[00:54:45] but then there comes a moment where you have to take responsibility and then that is when I

[00:54:50] said okay well this is my time to be a producer and to create my own content and so

[00:54:57] you you made a very good point I think it's very easy to come to any creative endeavor and immediately

[00:55:04] get discouraged and immediately complain about the lack of opportunities or the difficulties

[00:55:10] or and at the end of the day if you really mean it if it comes from your heart you need

[00:55:15] to commit to it and you need to do whatever it takes for that to come to fruition and

[00:55:20] it's not going to be an easy path but if you're if it's meant to be it's meant to be

[00:55:24] it's meant to be but you do need to put your pork your part and you cannot be there complaining

[00:55:29] you cannot be there using excuses at the end of the day it's been hard for all of us

[00:55:36] and you know you just have to do your best and it doesn't matter I mean this is not

[00:55:40] just for acting or producing or directing it applies to anything in your life okay be responsible

[00:55:47] for our lives and see how we can you know do something about it instead of complaining

[00:55:53] and being victims and that's what I you know that's also what you hear in the political discourse

[00:55:57] everybody complaining about the other everybody playing the role of the victim you know what

[00:56:02] happened to me and well listen it's not all politics and it's not all the fault of

[00:56:09] immigrants or whatever you make up okay you gotta do your part you gotta do your best to

[00:56:14] wake up be positive be focused work hard and eventually you will succeed no matter

[00:56:22] whether you are an actor or you choose to do something else if you really like it it's important

[00:56:28] that you really like what you do because otherwise you won't have the passion and the time or the

[00:56:32] commitment but if you really like what you do you know make sure that you do whatever you need

[00:56:37] to do so that you can succeed it's not gonna be an easy an easy path but you can do it

[00:56:42] but you do need to have that positive attitude that you mentioned and that's what I think

[00:56:47] sometimes is missing in a lot of people uh because I don't know we just get very comfortable

[00:56:52] in our own place checking our phone and all the videos and and you know phones have been

[00:56:57] we don't put the timing including our own stuff you know yeah we were good at always keeping the

[00:57:04] phones off at the dinner table but ever once in a while I would see someone who had just really

[00:57:08] bad like one zero human interaction and like you say is just it's easy to lean into the

[00:57:15] negativity and be a part of it but it's also easy to just lean out of it and just say

[00:57:20] hey it's not going to be part of my journey you know uh it's December I actually look forward

[00:57:26] because that's the month where I'm pretty much just look through my drawer and say okay what

[00:57:30] clothing have I not worn in 10 years that's going to the charity I trust

[00:57:35] beautiful instead of this oh you know uh what can I get so and so that they'll never you know

[00:57:41] open up it's it but it that took a few years you know and I just I've just finally gone over

[00:57:50] your long battle with insomnia and but again no mountains high enough you know you just have to

[00:57:56] just keep saying hey in it to win it this isn't a contest I'm sure you've had business gurus who

[00:58:02] you've hung out with before who only are interested in bragging about their you know what figures

[00:58:08] they're making each year but there's no persona beneath that you know fancy business suit you

[00:58:14] know it's and then you have others who can do both they can be a cool business guru and a pretty

[00:58:22] awesome human being but it's it's tough to find at first in that maze yes I see what you're saying

[00:58:30] I mean there are all kinds of people I think you just have to find the one that works for you

[00:58:35] the one that inspires you the one that you really like and if there is somebody that you don't

[00:58:39] you just move on and not focus on any negativity um one thing that has worked for me very well is just

[00:58:47] love love for life love love love for love for everything love for animals love for the planet

[00:58:53] like that energy of love that that I feel is present in me it's been the the best energy

[00:59:02] that I've had to move forward with everything and I've gone through challenges but when your focus

[00:59:07] is on not complaining precisely or not being a victim but on solving issues as they come

[00:59:13] then problems instead of problems are challenges or opportunities in many cases and you can work

[00:59:18] through them uh so yeah we're all dealing with many issues and of course we need to have

[00:59:25] compassion and understanding and you were talking about insomnia I cannot even imagine

[00:59:29] far difficult that maybe uh and it makes you think stuff that you don't even agree with like

[00:59:36] I'm dying I can't do this is like I can totally do this I'm not dying yeah but it just contributes to

[00:59:42] again all the negative clout that we all have in our bodies so you know what I would say is that it's

[00:59:47] it's very important thing is to just be kind to yourself do your best but don't judge yourself

[00:59:53] I see a lot of people so they are coming from very judgmental environments and they're

[00:59:58] hard to themselves and you gotta be your best your best fan okay you you gotta love yourself

[01:00:05] and you gotta believe in yourself first so others then can believe in you so mental health is important

[01:00:13] as well as your health so make sure that you do what you need to do to take care of yourself

[01:00:19] and to love yourself and to find that space of of love and comfort within you for some

[01:00:24] people it may be meditating for others maybe going and committing with nature for others maybe

[01:00:31] just having a diet that works for them that maintains them healthy or go on diet or whatever

[01:00:36] it is but find balance in your life so that you can love yourself and come with this energy to

[01:00:42] the world to create all all creation comes from the energy of love and and and if that's

[01:00:48] present in you it will be easier to create and it will be easier to attract the right people

[01:00:54] to to make those dreams of yours come come reality so take care of yourself it is Christmas

[01:01:01] time this is the time of thinking about loving one another and and that's what I will

[01:01:07] start at the conversation and what I would like to end one of the things I do right now I didn't

[01:01:12] tell you as I'm president of a nonprofit it's called gente unida and precisely wonderful

[01:01:18] precisely we do support immigrants that are here with no connections that are here with

[01:01:27] no family many cases that are here with no papers that are here sometimes with no possibility of

[01:01:32] working given the circumstances where they are in and and so we we this is the opportunity for us to

[01:01:39] hey listen you're a human being it doesn't matter whether you're mexican or nicarajuan

[01:01:44] or whether you're legal or not legal what matters really is that we are human beings that is

[01:01:49] that is the essence of who we are we need to look at each other as human beings and from that perspective

[01:01:54] we can support one another and when you give that space and that love to others those people

[01:02:01] I mean they really become amazing people and I'm going to end up telling you the story of my

[01:02:07] my son because he came to the border as an undocumented immigrant himself and he was a child

[01:02:14] and he came actually escaping the drug dealers because they kind of recruit him he was living in

[01:02:20] the streets because he it's a sad story to make it a story short he was abandoned in an orphanage

[01:02:26] and they totally run orphanage and since eight years old he left the orphanage and he was living

[01:02:32] in the streets until he was recruited by the you know the drug dealers the coyotes to

[01:02:39] be a coyote precisely you know to to to help people cross the border from from shiret basso to

[01:02:45] to and then he experienced all kinds of abuse and at some point he sought refuge in the U.S. and

[01:02:51] he stayed here and I had the chance to meet him at a you know at a center where they had

[01:02:59] it was a shelter where they have some immigrants but they focused on children

[01:03:03] in other words people that are younger than 18 back in the day I'm talking about

[01:03:07] quite a few years ago but anyway what I met him because I was doing some you know

[01:03:13] I was doing some volunteer work and I was actually sharing one of my movies with the kids over there

[01:03:19] at the time I had the chance to meet him personally and I asked him you know about his life and

[01:03:26] where he came from he told me he was coming from Mexico and I said tell me about your family

[01:03:30] and he said I don't have a family and that surprised me because most of the kids come here

[01:03:36] actually to make money to send back home that's how they are and I said you know so he told me

[01:03:41] his story a little bit like like I just told you and I said so now that you're here what do you want

[01:03:46] and he actually told me what I want is it's a family love yeah and I was so touched by that

[01:03:54] that I said well would you welcome me as your adopted father and he didn't say anything

[01:04:00] at that time he was like taking it back but then a week later I came back and we

[01:04:04] interacted again and then at that time he said yes and you know he was coming from the streets he was

[01:04:11] cutting drugs and smoking and having vices because you know that's you know that's what

[01:04:16] happens when you live in the streets interconnected yeah we're providing him a loving environment

[01:04:20] and he is right now an amazing person he just recently bought his own house in Los Angeles where

[01:04:26] you know that it's very expensive to buy a house and he has a business a transportation

[01:04:31] business he's doing great and you know credit goes to him but credit goes to love you know credit

[01:04:38] goes to the fact that no matter what you do and who you're dealing with if you come from that energy

[01:04:42] of being positive that you said being loving and and wanting to create connections at a human level

[01:04:51] beyond our different ideas or religions or countries of origin or immigration status for

[01:04:57] that matter then there is opportunity for that love to flourish in ways that are unimaginable

[01:05:04] and I'm so grateful that I had my son Manuel that I had the opportunity until he just moved on his own

[01:05:11] and and again this is just an example it doesn't matter what you're doing life but if you come

[01:05:16] with love and if you come with commitment to do your best I think you will find your path

[01:05:22] and eventually you will succeed in whatever you want to do and I applaud you for being a Samaritan

[01:05:27] and being one of those many supportive voices that's that's a beautiful story thank you

[01:05:33] absolutely and godspeed to you and uh I hope everyone listening to this tonight just for my

[01:05:41] minds themselves that you know love doesn't cost anything you know so true so true even a smile

[01:05:51] just go and smile to people on the screen absolutely I mean it's Christmas what a wonderful

[01:05:56] opportunity for us to have the permission to just go there and be nice to people and smile and and

[01:06:01] create connections where you did not imagine that could be created and you just never know

[01:06:06] that could be your next finance year for your film that's thousand trust me go go with that energy

[01:06:12] it really will make a big impact or at least I'm telling you I feel that more than my talent

[01:06:17] in any particular capacity it's been that that energy and that vision that has helped me to be

[01:06:23] where I am and enjoy a beautiful life that is full of you know full of things not just in the

[01:06:28] entertainment industry but in many other ways so thank you Cameron thank you for all you do

[01:06:33] thank you for what you've shared oh my goodness this has been touching

[01:06:38] thank you for your audience for being there and following you and and watching this

[01:06:43] interview and if anybody wants to connect with me I I do have a website that is Jesus

[01:06:47] Nebodh caesusnebodh.com and uh as a matter of fact if you want to send me an email you can also

[01:06:56] just send me an email to Jesus J E S U S at caesusnebodh.com and I'm giving you my personal

[01:07:06] email because I care about people when I go to film festivals when I go to to talk to

[01:07:10] audiences sometimes at colleges and universities where my films have played a lot and when I find

[01:07:15] a wonderful audience I always invite people just send me an email and I will help if I can so

[01:07:21] so thank you again god bless and and happy holidays for everyone happy holidays to you sir

[01:07:28] as an unes buenis semana thank you and I will be sure to link your personal email in here as

[01:07:35] well as uh the I think you link the charity offline I believe I can link that in here I can do it uh

[01:07:43] gente unida uh sd.net that would be so um I can pass it to you if you want if you want to

[01:07:51] please yeah I'd be happy to yeah I will do that absolutely because charities are hard work but

[01:07:57] you know it if there's anything you know everybody should at least once in their lifetime

[01:08:02] definitely visit a suit annual soup kitchen uh you know take any toys that are collecting dust in

[01:08:09] your you know basement and give them to some other six-year-old even if they don't touch it you know

[01:08:14] the thought counts you know or the clothes as you said you know let's just recycle and

[01:08:20] share what we have and pass it along when we don't need it anymore and and uh yeah yeah

[01:08:25] instead of complaining out of Macy's Thanksgiving Parade that you find

[01:08:29] overloaded why not go and do a local marching band you know something you know instead of

[01:08:35] absolutely absolutely don't coward in the corner then you're no better than the you know

[01:08:40] evil doers in the world just go out do something that you can crown as one of your achievements

[01:08:49] so very heartfelt very touching and just very real so you're talking to the real deal here

[01:08:56] Jesus Nibbot has been here ladies and gents and he's been more than gracious with his time

[01:09:01] I wish you nothing but the best sir just keep marching thank you you know your cries have been

[01:09:07] heard hopefully they keep being heard because you know these issues still need to be talked

[01:09:14] about we got to stop complaining hey why is everyone getting political I'm like because

[01:09:18] the violence and tropical matters keep persisting we got to keep talking about this and avoiding it

[01:09:24] through all right well again I hope the holidays are nothing but pleasant and prosperous uh to be

[01:09:35] safe out there likewise I will try it I always have to be selective about where I show some of my awesome

[01:09:46] just like like LGBTQ signs uh equal rights signs because sometimes there are some shady neighborhoods

[01:09:55] I pass by and I'm like I don't want to gather unwanted you know shooters or gunmen but you

[01:10:01] know eventually you do have to side with the invincible voice you know you have to say okay

[01:10:07] I stand for this if you're gonna kill me for this then I'm still on the right

[01:10:11] there you go I agree be courageous stand up for what you believe and sometimes you'll be surprised

[01:10:19] because people will support you in what you're doing and and it's very important we all find our

[01:10:25] voice and our purpose and that we don't let fear stop us from doing what we're supposed to do

[01:10:32] totally sometimes you got to be the tallest uh tree so to speak you got to plant your

[01:10:38] flag there and just say okay we're here at this corner all right uh once again thank you ever so

[01:10:46] much great to talk to another icon I admire and all together just I'm glad that you are just happy

[01:10:54] where you are right now I see so many who are just letting the negativity still engulf their

[01:10:59] lives and again I think a lot of people are gonna dig this I'm definitely gonna try and share

[01:11:04] this with some bigger crowds and definitely refer that I hope I can somehow position this as like the

[01:11:11] first interview that pops up too for a while yeah well I appreciate a camera and I will support you

[01:11:17] in in that and share it with uh you know my my friends here and uh again if you uh have an

[01:11:26] interest in maybe interviewing somebody else let me know and maybe my wife would be happy to

[01:11:32] to be on your podcast he probably has a lot of wisdom to share with with you as well promises

[01:11:38] yeah absolutely uh you know because that's what I'm noticing too is I'll see so many people they

[01:11:43] will like just scout for like the nearest person like oh you know I'll get a few ratings here it's

[01:11:49] like yeah but you really got to be interested in the person you're interviewing can't just be

[01:11:53] you know ratings ratings ratings and I think it's just so easy for people to just kind of

[01:11:59] get distracted they can only do one or the other and it's like it's got to be all encompassed

[01:12:04] together you got to really just do you want to tell an actual story from this like for instance I

[01:12:11] interview I've interviewed so many other people who like yourselves they've worn so many different

[01:12:16] hats so that altogether I think makes for a more humane story because so many people will

[01:12:22] just pass by oh I don't do valet or dishwashing anymore I'm like yeah well someone might want

[01:12:28] to still learn how that worked into your everyday you know uh you know mindset your work ethic it's

[01:12:38] so many people are afraid to talk about it you know their first not-so-pleasant day job is like well

[01:12:44] it's influenced how you were what are you liking or not we should talk about that more than

[01:12:49] what did you do when you first you know kissed Tom Cruise out of convention you know it should

[01:12:53] be more than just something that made people magazine you know it should be something that

[01:12:59] stayed with you till the end of time yeah true true uh so once again beyond gracious sir

[01:13:08] again I hope everyone's staying safe and I hope this covid pandemic does die down eventually but

[01:13:16] we'll see you know all right well listen keep up with the good work and I'll try I look forward to

[01:13:26] listening to your podcast in the future as well probably if I see anyone who I know might even

[01:13:32] be on your say wane wave length in terms of how you approach the business I will definitely

[01:13:38] let you know on from that aspect as well and awesome all right I'm gonna see you

[01:13:46] couple less and we'll be in touch okay Cameron yes sir you got the time thank you promise we'll return

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