Gilligan's Island Retrospect

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[00:02:46] The round table here as I could. Something that required zero research. It is something that was just fun, that would be to your liking, that was just retro TV. And if you hated it, it would still be amusing as a hate watch, just because you're just like, oh, I remember when that was on. But fortunately, I think we all liked this because we all kind of grew up with this on the antenna at some point. Yeah, it was my Apple Watch. Perfect.

[00:03:15] We're talking about the crew of the SS Minnow. The free season outing that is Gilligan's Island. Rated by Sherman Schwartz. You ever hear Robert Klein talking about, he never saw it in his original run, but he caught up in a hotel room when he was on tour? Yeah. What? If you don't know the show, all you have to do is listen to the theme song. It tells you everything. Grab a coconut.

[00:03:43] And went to the back of the ship. He made up extra lyrics in more detail. It's a funny routine. Gilligan, Skipper, Marianne, Ginger, the Professor, and the house. And the rest. And the rest. That was the first season. And the rest. The first season is the rest. And the rest. You don't need those stinking badges. MSC3K, the movie when Professor shows up in it. Oh, man. Silent Earth. Yeah. And the rest crap.

[00:04:11] I love how we're going straight into, like, parodies of it. It is one of those, you could have not even seen a single episode of it, but all it takes is your grumpy uncle or your dad mentioning it, and you get the reference. And I think there's been, like, beers or restaurants named after it, for sure. But there's a hysterical, just a minute, James. You'll love this. I was late into that 70s show fandom.

[00:04:38] I'm not a huge hardcore fan, but I would watch it on occasion just because Kirkwood Smith was amusing. There's a hysterical episode where they just bring it up. The dad's gotten done. He's been watching, like, reruns of it all day. And without even saying the name, you can tell he's been watching it. He just brings it up. Everyone else is having a random conversation. He comes on in, and he's like, man, that Gilligan guy, why don't they just shoot him? I was just going to mention that same thing. Oh, you did?

[00:05:08] You're going to screw it up again, yeah. For a man who's perfectly playing a guy without any humor, he's like, Jesus, why are you watching this lovable sitcom? Don't pick on the dum-dum. The thing that cracks me up is when you read about, like, how the show was created, Sherwood Schwartz had this idea of, like, he was a writer for Bob Hope. Oh, that's true.

[00:05:33] Yeah, and he was just put, like, this was his first, I think, real big hit. And if you read about the casting, it wasn't going to be Bob Denver they wanted. They wanted Russ Tamblyn. But also Jerry Van Dyke. Yeah, they wanted Jerry Van Dyke, and they wanted Russ Tamblyn to play Gilligan. Oh, good. Yeah. Russell Welch was almost ginger.

[00:06:00] Damni Coleman and Carol O'Connor and Jane Mansfield would have been part of it. It's like, what? Yeah, I can see Van Dyke as a Gilligan, but yeah, Russ Tamblyn, or no, yeah, even when- Gilligan, right? Yep. Oh, totally. And Tina Louise was even recast when they did those stupid reunion movies. I never really saw any of them. Oh, God. And it was so apparent. You're like, they don't even look like her.

[00:06:27] I watched those movies on WSBK one afternoon when I was a kid. Oh, man. My father was going, my dad was going to me. He's like, I'm like seven or eight years old, and I just remember this. We're watching it one afternoon, and my father goes, you know, Tina Louise, man. She bailed on that money. You know? And WSBK, would that have been local ABC? That was Boston.

[00:06:52] That was transmitted down here, so that's where I got most of my- So I used to watch Hogan's Heroes and The Odd Couple. Oh, awesome. And so one of their things was, you know, they would have the Sunday afternoon movie. So one weekend we watched like three The Hard Way. So then the next weekend they did- Oh, sweet. They did the Globetrotters. Yeah, the Globetrotters. Yeah, the Globetrotters.

[00:07:19] They did, you know, go to Gilligan's Island, and then they did the one, you know, Return to Gilligan's Island, which was the one I think where Jim Backus, he was like sick. And he made just like a cameo appearance for like two minutes. Which one of the three was the one where they actually opened a hotel resort or something like that? I think that was Return to Gilligan's Island. Yeah. That's probably it. It's like the Planet of the Apes franchise. What was it?

[00:07:47] They should have done beneath Gilligan's Island, you know? Believe it or not, there was- I'm sure you guys heard of the JFK connection to the show. Yeah. When they were filming the pilot, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's like the flag is a half-mass, and Skipper's real name was Jonas Grumbie, and they wanted a backstory saying, hey, I started with JFK and Mikkel, and they're like, what? Mikkel of Mikkel's Navy? And he even tied it in. There's apparently books of this that I had no idea.

[00:08:17] I'm like, okay. Well, the pilot was never aired until the 90s or something. Yeah, 92. Yeah. With a different- no professor. You're like, what? It's kind of like Star Trek with the cage. You know, everybody looks different. Yeah. And then you're watching, and you're like, well, how come, wait a minute, hold on, and you're- Because you're used to seeing the cast, and I was like, hey, what the hell is going on here? Stark looks like he's not getting along with this Jeffrey Hunter guy.

[00:08:46] I was just watching an episode tonight. It was from first season with Kurt Russell, and it is the Junker Boy. Oh, yeah. And I remember- That's a good point. There's a lot of younger actors for their time, yeah. Or older actors, too. I remember watching it in color the first time I remember seeing it, and when I saw it in black and white, I'm like, wait a minute, I thought this was a color episode. Yeah. But I heard that maybe they'd colored the episodes when they released it for syndication. That probably makes sense.

[00:09:15] I think also the first couple of, like, the first half a season was black and white, and then CBS just said, fuck it, we're doing it in color. Yeah. I think the entire first season was black and white, I think. Also, speaking of which, of those long-running shows that you mentioned, Charles Maxwell was the radio voice. Right. And this was his longest-running gig, and he had done guest spots on everything from Lawman to Rawhide.

[00:09:45] And this was probably- I think he enjoyed this the most, because he's just a voice. You know, he's having fun. Just come in, Charles, do these lines, and then, you know, take off. Yeah. But, um, the one I always loved is, like, they would have people on the show that you never expect, like, Phil Silvers. Yeah, even the fans- John MacGyver playing a butterfly hunter who was lost at sea, and then he lands up on the island. Absolutely. It was just a fun, kind of laid-back kind of show.

[00:10:14] It was kind of like the different other adventure shows, but I think, kind of like Andy Griffith, you could come back to this place, and even though it hadn't changed much, you just found the characters, including Bob Hell especially, just so enriching. They're just like, hey, it just can't be fun. Gilligan, he's dumb, but he's got a heart of gold. And the other gals, they're not just bimbos, they're actually just kind of just, you know, what would you do on an island?

[00:10:41] It's hard to make a sitcom on an island, you know? Well, I wouldn't be bunking with my buddy. I'd be trying to get with the two girls. Well, that's true. But he's not the sharpest tool in the shed, to be fair. Did you guys know that the Wellingtons band shows up as that group, the Mosquitoes? Oh, the Mosquitoes, yeah. The Perry Mosquitoes. Yeah. I knew you'd get a kick out of that. I'm like, what? That was the big thing, because the Beatles were big, and they were called the Mosquitoes.

[00:11:09] There was a Barbara Bain and Martin Londo episode. No, Barbara Bain and Martin Landau was one of the movies. That was the part of the thing. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Like, that's like, you know, they left Space 1999, and I think they kind of like, you know, were like, all right, we'll do a Gilligan's Island run, you know? I never saw the ripoff by the creator called Dusty's Trail. I did. Oh, I watched it. I knew you would recognize this. Was that a Bob Denver thing?

[00:11:39] I think so. That was Bob Denver and Forrest Tucker. It was basically the same characters lost in the desert on a wagon. Yeah. And I know that was a good name. Or Dusty, Gilligan was Dusty, yeah. And I know that didn't last long. No. No, that was one season. And it was syndicated. It wasn't primetime. No, it was primetime. Are you sure? I thought it was on a second. Yeah, I'm positive. No.

[00:12:06] Because it's on this thing where it says, it's on this YouTube thing where it was like one season shows, and it was like the good guys with Don Adams and some other dude, and they had Dusty's Trail on it. I just remember Dusty's Trail, they were like, okay, we're going to get Bob Denver from Gilligan's Island and Forrest Tucker from F Troop, and it's going to be like Gilligan's Island.

[00:12:30] I'm thinking to myself, Forrest Tucker and Bob Denver, you know, oh boy, this is going to be a good one. But you got to think, too, Bob Denver did a show with Herb Edelman. I think, no, Bob Denver and Herb Edelman did a show together called The Good Guys after he did Gilligan's Island because Bob Denver had done the many loves of, the many loves of Dobie Gillis as Maynard.

[00:12:56] And Alan Hill even played a chef named Gilligan on an episode of Batman. Yeah. And a lot of people don't realize that the cast was kind of like plucked out because I know that Russell Johnson was kind of like, you know, a steadfast actor in a lot of movies. Alan Hill, his dad was Alan Hill Sr. And then he did Casey Jones and he did a lot of Westerns and stuff like that. That makes sense. He also, wasn't he like Three Musketeers or something? I think he did. That was later. That was later. After. Yeah.

[00:13:27] Okay. Yeah. Did you know that the name of the ship, Minnow, is actually an FU to the head of the FCC? Oh. Newton Minnow. I just read about that. Yeah. He described TV as a vast wasteland. Yeah. And that was their little jab at him saying, okay. It was just like they realized he was not wrong. If you look at it, Gilligan's Island is kind of a true crime series.

[00:13:56] Oh, my God. All these people show up and never report to the authorities that, hey, we found the castaways. It's kind of like the way Seinfeld ended. They didn't help the guy. And they all got sent to jail for a year. There you go. Yeah. You always had to wonder. It wasn't. Yeah. It wasn't. It wasn't just. It wasn't just, you know, Gilligan's Island always screwing up and preventing them from getting rescued. It was always all these people were always showing up.

[00:14:22] Why did none of them ever manage to tell anybody about these people on the island? Was it five miles off the coast or something? Like 250 miles northeast of Hawaii. That's what some fans have finally determined from the incomprehensible dialogue. I think the thing that cracks me up the most is why did Mrs. Howell bring like all this luggage for a three hour tour? Yeah. You know, and then he planned for the worst. Yeah.

[00:14:50] Let's bring a radio in case there's a shipwreck. Yeah. I love. And yeah. And yeah, he can make a radio out of coconuts and bamboo, but he can't fix a fucking hole in a boat. Way to go, professor. Well, I saw the episode where they're building a raft. Why don't they use that stuff they're building the raft with to patch the boat? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This was before, I guess. Yeah. MacGyver logic where you just put some mud on it and that'll work.

[00:15:20] Yeah. What about the radio on the ship itself to the Coast Guard radio? They never. You would have always thought, especially if you get the Navy connection. Yeah. Wouldn't this had, he had some other military buddies who could come and rescue them. Wouldn't there be a flare gun? But like you say, if you put any deep thought into the show, you're going to just shoot it, you know. We should really just relax. Yeah. There you go. Exactly.

[00:15:48] My wife just told me that tonight. They weren't the brightest and they weren't ready to be stranded. And somehow they lasted three years on an island. And we liked that. I always just kind of crack up because I'm like thinking to myself, every time they'd have dinner, Marianne would make coconut cream pie. And I'd be like, what the fuck does that taste like? And I'll be like, where's she getting the cream from? And I'm like, what'd you do with the coconuts? Coconut. She ran out of lupins. Yeah.

[00:16:19] Just had to get a Python reference. I couldn't help it. I like the incidental music too. I think Frank DeVol did that. I think so. Oh, from my three sons as well. Yeah. He was like a. Yeah. John Williams apparently scored the pilot. Did you know that? Who? John Williams.

[00:16:48] Oh yeah. The pilot. Didn't they also have. Yeah. It's very, way more. Yeah. There you go. That's a good one. That one. Yeah. Joe's wrapping up. All right. And I'm glad it was three years though. I, could you see this lasting 10? I couldn't. Oh, well, you also have to,

[00:17:18] you also have to count the two years that they did. Uh, Gilligan's Island. Um, cartoon. Yeah. Oh, Gilligan's planet. Gilligan's Island. And who produced that? It looks like Hanna-Barbera, but was it? No, it was, it's Filmation. Filmation. Filmation did it. Sherwood Schwartz signed off on it. He's like, okay, go do it. You know, I did the Brady kids. you know, do this shit. You know, Bob Denver, far out space nuts to launch. I thought I said,

[00:17:47] and I had, was that for lunch? And it was launch. That's about Tucker was in that. Well, that was Dusty. Yeah. Oh, wow. Chuck, Chuck McCann was far out space nuts. Dusty's trail was, it was, everyone should name the movie that space nuts. I think that's on to be now. For our space. Dusty's trail was on when prime time started at seven 30.

[00:18:17] That may be why I thought it was syndicated. Yeah. Yeah. For a while. Well, you're here now and that's all that matters. Yeah. I think. I think. Yeah. That's a forgotten show anyway. Yeah. Yeah. That's one of those shows. It's like, this is why we do this show. We talk about the little gold nuggets that are never going to get a DVD or syndicated release. And he's like, that was wild. I can say, all you say is anyone who does a show with Herb Edelman should be given a medal.

[00:18:45] Cause that guy was on everything when we were growing up. Yeah. You know, but the thing that gets me is when the show went off the air, you know, I know that you got to think when they cast, that show, right. You know, Alan Hill was Casey Jones on TV. You know, Bob Denver done Dobie Gillis. No relation to Ninja Turtles, kids. No. Tina, Tina, Tina, Tina, Lisa done, you know, Broadway.

[00:19:15] And she'd done some movies. And you want to hoot from her. You should check out this goofy eighties biker movie with her and Adam West. Oh God. Oh God. Yes. You've seen it. Okay. What's it called? Oh, let me see. Adam West, Tina Louise. It's just so funny because she's just like, what am I doing here? And Adam West is doing his usual, taking it so serious. Trying to give a good performance with an incompetent film crew. Hellriders. I'm surprised it wasn't on MST for K.

[00:19:43] I saw her in a movie with Lee Marvin of all people. One of the last movies, one of the last movies he did called dog day where it was in France. Oh yeah. Yeah. She's a gritty. He plays a, he plays a bank robber and she's like, he's like, she's like his mall. Cause you know, and he escapes the bank robbery and winds up with this family.

[00:20:13] This family of degenerates. And, you know, but it's funny to see her name at the beginning. You're like, Oh man, she, they must've really, you know, she must've really needed the money. Cause I remember her doing all these movies. Yeah. After Gilligan's Island. And she basically was like, look, that was it for me. I'm, I'm not going back to doing ginger. Yeah. And she'd gone over and done some Italian films too. I think. Yeah. Yeah. I kind of remember her in her in some sort of like Hercules type.

[00:20:43] I think so. It might not have been Hercules, but it was a long, I don't know the name of it, but I think you're right. I think there was some kind of just syndicated serialized show. She did after that. I mean, they all pretty much compared to most actors though. I don't think it's as much of a punching bag. I don't think you can have as many. That this was so strong for their career. They could pretty much do anything at that point compared to other ones where you're like, Oh, they've seen better days, you know,

[00:21:12] I've seen things that said Tina Louise did not want to do that show. Yeah. I mean, yeah. She didn't come back for the, yeah, the reunions. Yeah. But at least there was always the ginger or Marianne question. Who you like better? Marianne. Yeah. Why not both? Yeah. Why not both? W. Jennifer or Bailey. Same thing. Bailey. Be sure to clear your internet browsers, guys. Just saying. I've seen Jan Smithers.

[00:21:41] She is fucking hot. Back. You know, but anyway, I'm not sure how to continue this conversation without being safe for work. I've always said the one thing is Jim Backus in that show. I mean, good guy was Mr. Magoo. And you just, he had just done. It's a mad, mad, mad world, mad, mad world. And I mean, come on. That's right. He done Rebel Without Cause. And yeah. You know, one of the best characters in TV.

[00:22:11] Loving, loving. Yeah. He was always weird to me. He always kind of had that. He looked like Boris Karloff on an Ernest Borgnine kind of body. And just kind of that kind of bellowing body. But yeah, he was, he kind of looked like Mr. Magoo. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah. I was, it really, it really was painful to watch him slumming it in the angels revenge. Oh, I know. Oh yeah. Yeah. And wasn't,

[00:22:41] it wasn't. Yeah. It wasn't the captain. It was in that too. Yes, he was. It was a fun. Shine your love. Yeah. He's in at least three mystery science cities. He is. I knew we were going to get to him. The giant spider invasion. Yeah. And then go backwards. He was just that guy. He, you wanted him to be the sheriff or the grandpa or like that Batman episode is mentioned. Just the guy who knows how to do cool things and has the shit in grin. He's just a bad guy.

[00:23:09] I remember him being in a growing pains episode, like right before he played a caddy and it's supposedly like Ben wishes he was never born. And I remember he plays the cabbie and I just was like, Oh, what the hell is he? You know, I'm like, you know, I guess, I guess the Alan hair lobster barrel in La Cienga closed down at that point. Cause I remember he had a, there's there's on the Gilbert Godfrey podcast.

[00:23:38] Somebody found a thing where it was. Gilbert, um, Alan hails, lobster barrel and Cesar Romero's capuchin restaurant. Right. Yeah. And they're like two different addresses on La Cienga Boulevard, but it's like almost the same building they're in. So I keep having this picture. I've told this thousands of years. I keep having this picture of this giant kitchen in between the buildings, like in the building itself, but there's a line going down and one is the capuchin restaurant. And one is Alan Harris lobster,

[00:24:07] lobster barrel. And he actually would like, he actually would like greet fans at the door and be like, hi there little buddy. You want a picture with the skipper? You know, it was just like, you know, just lend your name out and it'll be, you know, you'll do, we'll do good business. I have a copy of the, um, the, the, the Thanksgiving dinner that they had like for like 10 95 a person. Oh man. I mean, it was like, I was like, you know, Tom Turkey, you know, you can hear Alan Hale telling you like the specials of the night,

[00:24:38] you know, it's almost as wacky as some of the different celebrities who first got into DVD commentaries, but they're literally just summarizing everything you can clearly see in front of you. It's like, I know I'm watching. I see it. What else? And how many of those commentaries, they always say, you know, we had, didn't have very much money to work with, but we, Oh yeah. Yeah.

[00:25:07] Hanging with Dr. Z has a couple of commercial parodies of celebrity restaurants too. I think Mickey Rooney was one of them or something. Season one and season two, you got to watch those. Oh my God. Are they on YouTube? Yeah. Okay. Just subscribe on YouTube. It's a freebies, but of course, Mickey Rooney, you would only hire short order cooks. Or in yellow face. No, it may not be Mickey Rooney, but it said you did a couple of celebrity restaurant parodies in there.

[00:25:37] It was pretty cool. Kidding people kidding. Oh my God. I hate having to do disclaimers every fucking episode. You'd think people would know by now. People have not, for the people who have not seen it, Mickey Rooney did a buck, did a parody of a Japanese guy in breakfast at Tiffany's. Oh yeah. Yeah. Kind of like what Jerry Lewis would do sometimes. Oh my God. He was doing that in the eighties. Right. I remember that. Probably hardly working. He was doing, pulling that. Oh God.

[00:26:07] I remember that. Yeah. My grandmother took me to see that. And I said, get me the hell out of here. I thought he was a genius when I was in fifth grade. And then, you know, I thought, I thought he was great till he started doing like, you know, like till, you know, by the way, if anybody wants to know, um, the day, the clown pride is supposed to be, be shown. I've heard they remastered it. So it's out there. I don't know. Please. You got to play Richard Belzer's uncle on SVU.

[00:26:37] So there's that. There is a good, uh, HBO movie. He's in about healthcare. I think. Oh, okay. There's another one. He did with Morgan Freeman and everything, but like you say, he, he had plenty of downs when you compare his ups. And it isn't interesting how some comedians you look at now and you're like, why did I like them growing up? And I think the game back to Gilligan's on, I think the great thing was, was that it was like, it was like a new era in comedy.

[00:27:06] Cause you got to realize we're still that, that year that it was shot, we're coming out of leave it to beaver. We're coming out. Our father knows best. We're coming out of, you know, all these like, you know, kind of family based sitcoms. It's a closed film set, but somehow they still make it look outdoorsy enough to where. And compared to other laugh track sitcoms, you don't feel forced. It really is laid back fun. You're like, yeah. And it wasn't necessarily,

[00:27:37] it wasn't necessarily, you know, limited to the Island. They always had these dream sequences where they'd go off on. Oh yeah. That's right. That is true. There's one where Gilligan's Island thought he was the Dracula. Yeah. He's a one where they were in a courtroom drama, kind of thing. Oh, I missed that one. I would have to look that one up, but no, those are good points, Gil. You definitely felt the creativity in the writer's room,

[00:28:06] as opposed to we can't do anything. We have, we're relying on just the actors and directors to get it done. Yeah. I think in one of those dream ones, Bob Denver's son played a little Gilligan. Like, yeah, that was a giant one. wow. Yeah. Was it Skipper playing the giant? Yeah. Right. Yeah. That makes sense. I also remember the next day at school, somebody said, wow, Gilligan's Island was pretty serious yesterday. The, the, the most dangerous game episode. Remember that one? The guy was a hunter. I never saw that one.

[00:28:36] You never saw the one where he hunted Gilligan? I didn't. But to be fair, I think anyone would hunt Gilligan if you were in a game of, I don't know, paintball, but. I just remember he didn't kill him, obviously. And then on the radio, the next day, they heard that. I'm just kidding. I like Gilligan. I, I, I'm making fun of him, but I, I don't have an issue with the guy. I think this is the, what you guys are also hit up on some good points. I think you've honored another beauty of this.

[00:29:06] And this is kind of why I wanted to do the show. This is a sitcom where even though everyone's kind of hearty, heart, heart event, it still ends with no one getting hurt. And I think that's rare. Cause host like 87, it seems like every sitcom was required to like piss you off or have two brothers, you know, have a slug match. And in order to get, someone has to lose, you know, don't get me wrong. It can work in the right case,

[00:29:35] but I think that's also rare to just kind of have guys who can't stand each other still in on civil terms without it feeling phony. I think that's, that's a cool. Oh, like when they found the, the mind reading pills or. Yeah. And then Gilligan burned the bush at the end. They were all glad he did it. And they realized they learned their lesson, you know? Yeah. They even had a robot on that, on an episode. Yeah, they did. They did.

[00:30:05] I'm sorry. They had Russians. They had, was it the robot, you know, from lost in space? Oh, that's right. That was Robbie. It was Robbie, the robot. Okay. Yeah. That's what I was going to tell you about. From a movie too, before lost in space. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. I promise you we will do it for forbidden planet. Forbidden planet. We'll do a double feature. I promise. Invisible kid and talk about the other history of Robbie. I promise. Does anybody remember.

[00:30:34] The behind the scenes movie they did with Russell Johnson. And. Was it 2001? Yeah. Dawn. And I think it was sort of like a documentary, but it had these actors playing him. And the guy who played Thor in the incredible Hulk TV movie. Oh, wow. Okay. So surviving Gilligan's. Oh, wow. Okay. It's great to watch. Cause there's one scene I love where. Alan Hale and. Jim Bacchus are like,

[00:31:03] they're shagging golf balls. Cause you know, they were both golfers. Right. And they're shagging golf balls off the lagoon set. Right. Oh, wow. Oh, Kristen Dalton. Dead zone is in this. Wow. I had no idea. So. So what happens is that. They're like, you know, he's like, no, you got to hit it this way. You got to hit this. And they're like shagging the golf balls off. And one hits an executive's car. Yeah. Because the, the lagoon itself was by the parking lot. Yeah. And it smashed one of the,

[00:31:31] one of the golf balls smashed like a window or something like that. I've heard there's a couple. I don't know about that, but that would make sense to just have to shoot around it because. Blooper. There's a couple of shots during the course of the show where you can see buildings in the background. It's real. Yeah. I've heard that. I've seen it on YouTube and stuff. But now see, and this is why I love trivia like this because it just shows you how to make certain things work back when you're still had certain

[00:32:00] limitations and stuff that was not in your favor budget wise. But I love this kind of discovery. I just think the thing that gets me the most is like when you, when you watch, when you were a kid and you watched the show and you were like, you were kind of like, like you, you know what? They'd always have a block. It would be Gilligan's Island. And then it would be the Brady bunch. Yep. It really was copy and paste or some other sitcom or adventure show. Yeah.

[00:32:30] Because when I was growing up, it was on channel five out here. Cause it would be like three o'clock would be Gilligan's Island. Three 30 would be the Brady bunch. Do they still show reruns on TV land? No, it's not on TV. It's on me TV or antenna or something like, I don't know what, because, um, that's a shame. Yeah. I mean, it's just kind of TV land doesn't really do that anymore. Uh, and the odds they were still showing it and I would always get shits and giggles out of it. I was just like, see, this is fun. This is cool to learn.

[00:33:01] Be watching earlier TV while that, and just having fun, hanging out with family members who've grown up on it. It was, it was legit fun. And I, that seems to be lost. I, I, I see so many people, they will never encounter something that an earlier generation saw to them. They don't know about it. They're just going to go to the first thing they see on Netflix and go, that's amazing. Can we just give it up for Sherwood Schwartz?

[00:33:30] Cause the guy was the guy who created two of the greatest shows of all time. He did Gilligan's Island, which is always going to be. And then he does the Brady bunch rest in peace. Yeah. Rest in peace. That made me think of the bullpen story. Story, uh, story of the show, uh, theme songs. And he got the TV hall of fame. Yep. Honor. So you remember those Brady bunch movies that came out in the nineties? Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Where they're kind of like, Oh,

[00:33:58] wasn't somebody on the burning building or something. And one of them. I never saw. No, no, that was, I know it was Brady's. Richard Belzer was in one of them there. The last one they made, apparently I remember seeing like the trailer for the premiere and I was like pass, but they, it's like, they had one where they were like having a giant party and they, it was like making fun of the millennium. They thought an asteroid was going to hit earth or some shit. And it, On Fox. I'm like, this is entertainment. I'm, I'm sorry,

[00:34:28] but the, the, another Brady movie, the one part where John Hellerman says, yes, she was married to my son Gilligan. And that was, and nobody puts two and two together. You know, it's like, it's like, Oh, we get it. Ha ha ha. You know, I remember the first, uh, rescue from Gilligan's Island. The first one they did after the series. For some reason, um, professor was baffled by all the inventions, like, including a Frisbee. Yeah.

[00:34:58] He was like, really? This, this blows your mind. A flying, that was probably around when, before they, they got stranded anyway, you know? Yeah. But that was a fun too. Like it was kind of, instead of just, let's see what shocking thing we can do. It was kind of more, we got a problem. We're in a bit of a pickle. Let's make comedy out of it. You know? Yeah. And so you're not really disappointed. You're not feeling like it's formulaic. It's like, okay, it was a nice try,

[00:35:26] but they're not getting off the Island this week. Skipper piling in that bulldozer or something at 1.2. On that one. Oh yeah. They were going for sight gags, I guess. It was, yeah. It really, that, that is the best way to put it. Cause, and again, hell was so good at just kind of, he's in command, but if something's going to blow up in his face, he will also be the first one, you know, to sink with the ship. He is that kind of guy. And I, I,

[00:35:56] I see some character actors who are good with that and others who aren't, but I, I do think he is definitely one of the pioneers of the whole, just straight face. He's the straight guy, but every once in a while he has kind of a wacky moment. Yeah. He would do, he would do the Edgar Kennedy slow burn. If there you go fucking up. It kind of acted, it kind of acted a little bit like Laurel and Hardy. Yeah. You did a cut there. Congrats, James. I remember a letter to parade magazine where somebody asked him,

[00:36:26] asked if he was related to Oliver Hardy. Cause he said some, or he was Oliver Hardy. Cause some of the body language, the way he moved his hands was very similar to Oliver Hardy. So. No, very true. Yeah. I saw that he was a big fan of Laurel and Hardy and I think he spoofed them in a few skits. So that's why he was. That's probably what it was. Yeah. The thing that I always said, the one thing I've said, I said is like, there's this thing where like, there's this comic synergy where, you know, you see, you see a cast together.

[00:36:56] And I remember like whenever Jim Backus would do something with Natalie Schaefer, it was hilarious because, you know, they, they're the rich couple that's stranded. They don't know what, you know, they're people think they're gone, they're dead, but you know, they still think they're like, you know, top, you know, the cream of the crop on this Island, you know, and you go in there, you go in their hut and it's like, you know, it looks like something out of like, you know, Saks Fifth Avenue direct, you know, basically design the whole thing, you know,

[00:37:24] but if you watch the movie, they did return to Gilligan's Island. Um, I think Squire, not Squire, what was his name? Squire played Thurston Howell the fourth. Yeah. They opened up the hotel. And I remember Jim back. I just said it before Jim back. He's did a role. He's like, he's like, he does this thing. And you could tell he was not feeling well at that point. You know, he was,

[00:37:53] he wasn't feeling good. And, um, you know, they haven't come on for like a four or five minute. Cameo, you know, Oh, daddy's here to see you. Oh, daddy, daddy. He's like, I don't know. It's good to see you. I see you. You're like, Oh God. Oh man, this is bad. You know, he's getting up there. They were called the skipper, the captain too. They were only. Yeah. Did they call professor something else or professor? I can't remember. No,

[00:38:23] his real name was Roy. Skipper was captain. Yeah. Yeah. His real name was Roy. They had so many titles and even as basic as it was, it could still be confusing. Yeah. It was professor Roy Hinckley. Right? Yeah. They mentioned that in the first, in the first episode I saw. Yeah. Yeah. Jonas Grumby. Jonas Grumby. Gilligan. Ginger Grant. Ginger. Yeah. Ginger Grant. Marianne. Marianne. Marianne with it. Something like that. Marianne. Marianne.

[00:38:53] Oh God. I'm trying to remember the name. All I can, all I can say is that like, I would, when you, when I was watching something about, um, does anyone remember the Roseanne episode they did where they all appeared at the end? It was the surviving cast members. Uh, uh, so it was Marianne, Tina Louise came back. Yeah. Tina's still with us. Tina's. Yeah. She's the last one left. Yeah.

[00:39:23] Um, she just did a crappy Christian film with Stephen Baldwin. Oh, I'm suspecting a mob hit. I'm thinking incriminating photos about JFK. Um, whether it's still better than cats or is it? No. Pick your poison. Trust me. I saw a movie called cats. It was a half an hour, one and a half hour movie about a Jewish deli. Um,

[00:39:53] Oh, God. You never heard Gilligan's surname or vice versa though, right? No, you never did. Surprisingly not. Uh, I saw, I was reading something somewhere. Maybe it was even that, uh, movie, uh, documentary that you were talking about earlier, James. Yeah. Where he said, Bob Denver's talking about how Schwartz told him his first name was Willie. Yeah. I do remember that. Yeah. Willie Gilligan.

[00:40:21] Now I think on the pilot or the first episode, there is a radio report and they list all their names. Yeah. The pilot did give away a few names, especially the captain, but yeah, for the most part of the school teachers, instead of ginger. I don't know if they just didn't want to over detail. It's like, they just didn't think the audience would keep track of everyone's names at that point. I don't know.

[00:40:46] But despite the basics and some of the unintentional plot holes, again, like it really is a fun sitcom. Like I don't see anything offensive about it. I would show it to today's world. I think there will be some joy to people. You got to wonder. I mean, it was definitely a thing for kids of the seventies. In fact, the last episode of the show aired the day after I was born. Oh, wow. From what I read, but, but no,

[00:41:15] and it was something I enjoyed in the seventies as a kid, but to kids today, you got to wonder if they would really enjoy the humor of that. I think, I think the right people. The sixties though, the reruns were in the seventies, right? Yeah. It was just like, yeah, I think it was, I bet it was seen more in the seventies than the sixties. But, but, but yeah, yeah. It was like sixties and then syndicated in the early seventies. It's kind of like star Trek, but to Gil's point,

[00:41:43] I think worse comes to worse. I think you could at least appreciate it in a Buck Rogers kind of way. Like, Hey, this is what my great grandparents used to watch yada, yada, or this is what entertainment was like in an earlier era. Like even just seeing a clip of it in a documentary would give you some kind of context of this was how entertainment was done. This is how sitcoms were before we had to decide who could be more offensive than the other or over the top.

[00:42:13] It's not only that too, but it's like, when you think about like the humor back then, it was more, you know, it was more kind of like, you know, you look at, you know, Gillian's fine. Something, he screws it up or somebody comes to the island and it turns upside down. You know, that's, that's, those were the two big things that they did, you know? And, you know, you could, you could say, you know, you watch it now with us. It was like funny to watch, it was like, you know, Gilligan always, you know,

[00:42:43] piss off the, the skipper, you know, or, you know, the professor would make something Gilligan would screw it up, you know, or, you know, it was just, it was just like something like Gilligan's Island was just this thing where it was like, you know, the situations were there all the time. They always presented themselves, you know, in front of us. And it's, it's, the radio watch seems to be better known.

[00:43:11] Is it because of the clothing or? I think it's because of the. Marsha Marsha. Well, they went on, they went on, they even did a variety show. Yeah. Yep. That might be it. It's been incorporated in so many ways, but. The parody movies. Sure. The two, yeah. And then I, don't give me a start on Christopher Knight's reality show star. That needs to stop. Um, but. We'll return after these messages. If you like small town mystery,

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[00:44:41] And I think the one, the one guy they wanted to get. Yeah. It was in developmental hell for the longest time. And I think Sherwood Schwartz was like, look, we'll do good with the Brady's. Let's try Gilligan's Island. And I think they wanted to get Brian Dennehy to play the skipper. Oh, and that was the guy. Oh yeah. You're, you're reminding me of a mad magazine parody where they were trying to imagine like casting a Gilligan's Island movie. And it'd be like, uh, it'd be like Schwarzenegger as the skipper. uh, Gilligan, you idiot.

[00:45:11] get to the me now. Or maybe we'll get to the rodage now. Make me some. Maybe we'll kill the Gilligan movie was the Beverly Hillbillies movie. That's a good point. But this sounds like, I mean, I don't even know what to think of the fall guy movie that's coming up. I might pass. I heard that. Yeah. Oh shit. Are you kidding me? I'm not kidding. Ryan Gosling is playing the Lee majors. Oh man. Oh, the fall guy. I've seen commercials for that or trailers. What do you think?

[00:45:41] I haven't seen it. There's a trailer for the fall guy. I would go. Yeah, there is. Um, and I, I don't know. It's just, it looks like a typical action movie, but I'm going to go see it. If it's like I spy where it's just can't be fun. I might go with it. If it's like the 18 movie or the new McGuire, where it's just junkie, I might avoid, but we'll see. Okay. As long as they got Lee majors singing the fall guy theme song, I'm going to go. Yeah.

[00:46:09] I used to have that, that I used to have a jacket that was fake leather that I wore to school. Oh wow. Everybody used to call me the fall guy. Did they ever make the fall guy? No, I think they did a lunchbox. Oh wow. My, my musical hero Ray Stevens was in an episode of the fall guy. Oh shit. I think the, the funniest thing is like web Covington.

[00:46:35] I think the weirdest thing I ever saw was seeing Richard Burton in an episode of the fall guy. Oh my God. That's amazing. I have, I have a vague memory of that, but cash flow low there at the house. I don't know. I don't know. When you were divorced. Kind of like Robert. But when you were divorced from, when you were divorced from Elizabeth Taylor, those, those elementary payments were rule boy. I got to,

[00:47:04] I must do something. I got to do something. the Chico needed the money department right now. Chico needed the money. Getting back to the island. Wasn't there an episode where Gilligan and Marianne were going to get married? Yes. Was that like a dream scene? Yeah. Something happened. They, you know, they didn't do it. Now that is one plot hole I will give you. It does seem like depending on the episodes, they're into each other and other times they're not.

[00:47:30] It seems to vary by whatever the conflict calls for that episode. I think the, the one thing that gets me the most is when they did the reunion movie. Um, the, the first one, she was going to get married to her high school, her high school sweetheart. Who'd been out, who, you know, who'd waited for her since like, you know, how many years? And she's like back in, we got to go back to the island. And she's like, we got to go back. But we got to go back. I'm like, you know,

[00:48:01] she's like, look, I know you love him. And you know, she's like telling the maid of honor, look, I know you love him and you know, he loves you. I'm going back to you. You know, and that's what happened. They just kind of like, we're like, okay, you know, I think there's one where Ginger was hitting on professor and he was giving her all these scientific reasons why they shouldn't kiss. Yeah. Unhealthy or something. I don't, I don't remember why she was hitting on him. Oh boy. I was the professor.

[00:48:30] Stuff's going to happen. Not much to do on an island. So now you're making me wish that back in the early days, this kind of action when Orskay or, or. Or Orlin Ray would have done a stuff for comedy. Oh God, no, please don't. No, come on. Don't ruin it for us, man. Come on. Well, if you want to, if you want to have it ruined, uh, or, or at least made even more cool. Um, I was listening to an episode of Dr. Domeno once,

[00:48:57] and they had a band that did the Gilligan's Island theme to the tune of Stairway to Heaven. I just, I just recorded that the other day. I'm going through a book of songs that was in there. So that's cool. Yeah. So Roger and the goosebumps. I would prefer with Warren Zevon's knocking on Heaven's door. But what do I know? So there's also a, um,

[00:49:25] day in the life using the lyrics to green acres. I've heard that too. Oh my God. I have an amazing story to tell you just the other day. Uh, my family was dicking around with Alexa and I kid you not just one of them just randomly. My father just came out of the bloom and just to fuck with me. He's like, Alexa play theme from green acres. And then played it on the spot. I about shit my pants. I'm like, it has that keyed up. Oh my God. That's fucking awesome.

[00:49:56] That's another good. When it's on the speakers, it sounds so much louder than it actually is. I love the opening credits where he, she's in Manhattan and he grabs her and then she's on the farm. Like, Oh God. Remember that? Oh my wife. No, no. You're a good friend. I'd rather stay. So that was Ava, not Jaza. That was her sister. Ava Gabor was better than her sister. I'm sorry. Yeah. Ava Gabor was funny. Why not both?

[00:50:25] I'm following Tom's lead here. I just love the, I love the naked gun where, where like the cop pulls the car over and she comes out and she slaps the, she slaps the light. She goes, happens every fucking time I go shopping. But I, I, I, I always say that the great thing that that was like, that was a, there's like this thing where I've like been watching like old episodes of like TV shows and stuff from the 60s. And I'm like, I'm thinking to myself, I'm like, God, my,

[00:50:54] my grandparents used to watch this stuff. And I'm like, and then when I watched it, I was like, you know, four or five years old, six. So like, you got to realize it's like, you know, the ghost and Mrs. Muir was on that, was on that. Docket. That's a good point. Yeah. Just very, just don't eat the daisies, you know, before we just had lowbrow programs, you know, even if something was just kind of technically dumb, it was very laid back and approachable. It was, well, you know, it's like, I watched like,

[00:51:24] you know, get smart or something like that, or even, you know, that's a good contrast, light comedy. And the comedy, I mean, when I was a kid, then I enjoyed it a lot and I can see how kind of lame it is now, but I still enjoy it. Yeah. Oh, come on. You can't say get smart is lame. I love. No, Brooks. You missed a joke by that much. Well, I did say I still enjoy it. Oh yeah. I know. I know. To be fair.

[00:51:53] He may be right. I haven't seen it in decades either, but I had a couple of paperbacks in fifth grade about the get smart paperbacks. You guys are reminding me. I know you guys are misties. It's why we all met, but I remember when Frank Conniff just to fuck with people on his YouTube and he would like talk about a new movie that was coming out. He would be always like, I haven't seen it, but I hear it fucking sucks. He's talking about everything from the dark night rises to some other inception type.

[00:52:24] Brilliant. I haven't seen it. I will never see it. It probably fucking sucks. There's a movie coming out. Okay. What does the popular opinion say before? What does everyone else say? What are they saying? Before they've seen it. I would, that would be a hoot. If someone said that just like on Twitter, just like, ah, I haven't seen any of these popular sitcoms. They probably fucking suck. And you'll see how many people light up. The previews look lame.

[00:52:54] Yeah. Okay. The CGI is not done. One star. That's not even close. They didn't cast this person to beat. They cast that person. Why are they doing that? Why are they doing that? It doesn't have an OnlyFans page. One star. It doesn't have that amazing football star or lame TikTok artist. I hate it already. Wasn't Sherwood Schwartz trying to make some kind of commentary with the characters on Gilligan's Island. Ah.

[00:53:24] Yeah. Not, not to seven deadly sins. That's another one, but no, it's almost a political, apolitical thing. Oh, social, social, social status. Okay. Oh, awesome. Yeah. Well, you can just imagine. Seven deadly sins theory too. I've heard that one. If they tried to recast Gilligan's Island these days, you'd have someone who's cross gender or transgender. It'd be bad. You'd be more, more of an ethnic, yeah. And yeah, it'd be,

[00:53:54] don't get me wrong. We're all, so as a disclaimer, we are all progressive here, but we're getting annoyed that studios are mistaking that for, you must have, there'd be social, political stuff in every movie. It's like, no, you, but you got to think all of this out. Just like even with a popcorn movie, people are getting annoyed by popcorn movies because they're too mindless. So you still want to make it be a good genre piece. You want it to be a really witty comedy. Like, I know this is a hot take.

[00:54:24] I actually don't mind the McHell's Navy movie. Oh, I love it. I love that. I love that. I have fun with it. Brian Spicer. Yeah. Yeah. I, I legit, Tom Arnold might be miscast, but everyone else is having a lot of fun. And, um, Ernest Bordening came back as his character. I just thought it was, and Brian Spicer went on to have a big TV action and comedy career. So I was like, Hey, you know, I've seen so much worse. I think Tim Curry's having a lot of fun. It kids can watch this just like the actual show. It's not,

[00:54:54] well, it's not too much. The thing that was great about McHale's, the McHale's Navy show was that, you know, it was a trip, you know, having, um, you know, Borg and I come on and it's his father, you know, you know, you know, sorry about the giveaway, but it's like, it's fine. I love watching that movie when it's on, because, you know, I, I love the fact Tom Arnold was just having fun with that role. He was. I think he said, oh,

[00:55:23] he used to watch the field name as a kid. Yeah. Bruce Campbell's in it. Yeah. Yeah. Bruce Campbell's in it. And I heard it was a real tight shoot. Like everyone came and did what they wanted. And it just, it got done on time. David Allen Greer from Inland Color. Yeah. As, as, as the Tim Conway character. Oh God. Yeah. I would have, and, and having Dean, Dean, uh, Stockwell come on as the character. He was wonderful. McHale, McHale. Um, I hate McHale so much.

[00:55:52] I'm going to get him one day. You know that. Don't you? All right. I'm going to get him. Thank you very much. That's my, that's my, that's my, that's my Joe Flynn invitation. Everybody. Thank you. Thank you. You may sit down now. The, the talent show is in it. No, I'm just kidding. That's great. You're right, Cam. There's too much movie making by committee. If you made this now, it would have the rock and Kevin Hart. Yeah. And it wouldn't work because you're like, we're, people are coming to see them.

[00:56:20] None of them ever fucking seen the original source material, unless the, they're bringing their uncle to it. Who's got low expectations. Yeah. No, it's, it's not going to work. Uncle Bob. We're going to see, we're going to see the new Gilligan's Island movie. You want to go see it? Oh, trust me. Comes in. Comes in. What the hell is this crap? On a related, on a related note, would you guys say it's even harder to find a, something that works for most people? Cause like, I kid you not.

[00:56:49] I have been with so many relatives and different uncles to movies. And I don't know what it is, but when I bring an uncle along, I always seem to have one that has low expectations or who is very picky. And I don't know what that is too, because it's even harder because like people's enjoyment of a movie can really ruin my enjoyment sometimes. If they're just cringing in their seat next to me while I'm laughing my ass off, that kills my fun. Well, my dad, my dad had that thing when he went to go see the,

[00:57:18] the Zorro movies with Antonio Banderas. Oh, nice. He, he loved, he loved Zorro. He loved Zorro. I can't believe they're rebooting that. I love that. And then, and then I went to go see Lost in Space when that came out. Oh no. Yeah. We all love, I think we all love Lost in Space. I respect the overall premise. I don't think it's stated as well, but I do love the overall premise of it and how it brought sci-fi to TV. And yeah, I respect it more, but I,

[00:57:49] yeah, the movie doesn't work at all. It's just like, the movie was just a, you know, it was just like an overpriced. Stephen Hopkins has been so reliable as a genre guy doing mystery and action and horror. And even he's just seems to be like, I don't know what the fuck we were making. Well, I think the thing that gets me the most is like when you watch, you know, they were doing a whole thing of TV movies going to TV, going to movie. So you have the Beverly Hillbillies. Okay. Don't get me started on car 54. Oh,

[00:58:18] car 54 was terrible. Except when Al Lewis showed up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fair enough. But John C. McGinley doesn't answer anything about that movie. Oh my God. I haven't seen that movie yet, but I knew that the guy from scrubs on it, which you said, John C. Yeah. It's like, he, he even talked more about it when, cause EW would bring it on as worse movies based on TV shows. I don't mind the fugitive or SWAT, but yeah, then there are other ones where you're just like,

[00:58:45] this doesn't have anything to do with the TV show and it's just bad either way. But yeah. Car 54 is like, it was, it was like in the can for like four years and then they finally released it, but they didn't even advertise it. They just wanted it gone. It was, it was just badly advertised. And all I remember is, you know, they, they said, the great thing is, is that you're going to have Al Lewis and Nipsey Russell in it, who were in the original series. And like, I could just see Al Lewis going. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm off.

[00:59:13] I'm captain Leo Schnauzer now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Where's, where's Fred? Fred Gwynn. Dead. Where's Joe? Joe. Dead. All right. Everybody's dead except me and Nipsey. Let me smoke my cigar. Nah. But the, the, the thing that gets me the most is like, you know, they did the Beverly Hillbillies. That wasn't that bad. Yeah. Like, like Mike said earlier, it was just a good showcase for Jim Varney.

[00:59:43] I know people said, Oh, it's dumb, but to be fair, it wasn't really too far. It was hilarious. It was. I know. It's bad. I'm just, but I see people say, Oh, it's dumb. I'm like, well, they're playing. To be fair, I never saw it. So I saw the previews. Oh, okay. It was kind of fun seeing Jim Varney doing something other than Ernest. His family movies were okay. I thought. Not great. The Adams family movies. Oh, those were great. Just easy going. Yeah. Muppets. Honestly,

[01:00:12] I haven't seen yet. I don't think I'm going to see it because. Yeah. I, you know, I don't mind Rob Zombie as a person, but as a filmmaker. Are you talking about monsters? Yeah. They did a new version of it. Apparently. And yeah, I saw it. It's not worth watching. We'll take your money for it. The one they did in the nineties with, um, what's it called? John Chuck. John. Well, John Chuck. Yeah, that was good,

[01:00:42] but there was another one they did. That's right. John Chuck. Wasn't in that. Oh my God. Yeah. But they didn't the monsters today, but they did another monsters. They did a monsters movie and they did it where there was one scene where it was, uh, it was, who was it playing? Ed, uh, Herman, Edward Herman was playing, um, you know, Fred, you know, Herman Munster. He did a really good job playing Herman Munster, but there's one scene he walks in and it's the original cast. It's Grant. It's Al Lewis.

[01:01:12] And, um, you know, which are basically, um, Yvonne De Carlo and Butch Patrick and, um, yeah. Yeah. And the, yeah. Yeah. Tony Curtis. Yeah. Yeah. I'm glad you guys brought up John Shug. There's a dude who's a total chameleon and German American actors been everything. I know him as the clean on high council guy in the track movies and the like head of the

[01:01:42] NYPD on his view. Yeah. I, I remember him in a, was it mash as man? Tracy, all kinds of movies. He was in mash using Bruce. He was one of the guys that Altman would always go to. He has a brief key role in Woody Allen's curse of the Jade Scorpion. Yeah. Yeah. He's, he's another cool guy. He's just like, when I see him, I'm like that dude. He's the sheriff and tells from the crypt demon night. He's everything. I, but I can't, I can't, you know, I mean,

[01:02:12] they did all these movies and I was like, I was thinking, okay, if they're going to do the Brady's fine, they did the Brady's pretty well. They got, you know, Betty Thomas working it. And you know, that was great. Yeah. And it worked because they kept the Brady bunch in the seventies while everybody else was in the nineties. Yeah. Right. Right. No, that is a good point. They were conveying that they're in their era and they're trying to get with the flow in this new era. Yeah. And I think that's, what's also missing too,

[01:02:38] is you see everyone trying to update stuff or they cast a star who's wrong for the part, but they now got to base it around them because now it's that kind of movie, you know, like even in the seventies, the Brady bunch where they were kind of in their own little universe. Absolutely. But you kind of get that. It's a real show in a way, you know, which, which makes that movie even more, you know, poignant because yeah, there's like 20 years in the past, but now that's what we're kind of getting out.

[01:03:07] If we put someone in a movie, it's now going to be about that star. So, you know, as much as we like Arnold Schwarzenegger or Eddie Murphy, if they're in a movie now, it's become their thing, regardless of the source material. So I do feel like casting is key, but I feel, I feel like, like, I don't know what to think about this upcoming masters of the universe movie, just because it's been in production health for so long. Cause the minute I, my sister and I are connected this way.

[01:03:34] When we see like the opening credit scroll and there's like five writers, we don't think we're often in for a good time. And very rarely are we okay with, okay, there was free story credits to script writing credits, but usually we're, and a pear tree in a pear tree. And Yoke is I only, I think I have like two or three writers the whole time. Well, and I think that's, that is a good point. I didn't think about how many people were involved, but we were mainly talking about the creator, but that's a good point.

[01:04:03] Kind of like twilight zone. There's kind of just may like free main guys, maybe a few guests once in a while, but pretty strict leash, but not to the point where it's killing the creativity. That's a good point. Cause a lot of those, a lot of the sitcom writers were guys who worked in radio. So when they, so they, when they were jumping over, you know, Schwartz worked for Bob, Bob hopes is sure where Schwartz was going. Okay. I'm, you know, I'm a calm, I can be right. Comedy. Let me just,

[01:04:31] just write a script and we'll put it out there and see what happens. There, you know, that's the thing you got to realize too. A lot of this was radio stuff, you know, they were all about the hearing versus seeing. Yeah. You know, sight gags. And. That's true. There's not very many gags where they're. No. Visual. Yeah. It's kind of all more kind of, I react. While I hear you doing this. Yeah. I think the thing. I'm sorry. Go ahead.

[01:05:01] I just thought of me how the Gilligan's Island, the beginning theme is kind of story. The crash. And it's kind of disaster movie ish almost. And then. Yeah. The end credits are all laid back and we're all, we're kind of just grooving on the Island here. Join us. Out here. You know, it's like, it's like, it's true. I think. It's so well and good. You know, I think everyone Allen watched this and said, I want to do that, but remove the comedy. Beside an adventure. Away. Yeah.

[01:05:30] I would say like to the guys who were writing, who were like writing that theme music. They were probably writing going like, you know, okay. Let's, let's just say, okay. So, you know, no, no, no motor cars, not a single luxury like Robinson Caruso. It's as primitive as can be. Well, no, it's not really. You know, the house have all this shit in there, in there, you know, You know, I know, I know what you mean though. They're just trying to give a sense of just some reference of some other adventurer.

[01:06:00] Definitely a solo powered radio. Yeah. And then they can't radio ever. Didn't they invent it? Didn't they invent a dentist drill out of bamboo and stuff from the. Yeah. And see, but see, because it's a comedy, I don't worry about the logic behind that. I'm like, see, at least they had the balls. And compared to something else where you're like, yeah, no, yeah. I need a little more closure. Here's something weird. Yeah.

[01:06:29] I remember as a kid, you remember the show, the new monkeys. Yes. I remember the time. When they tried, they tried to do the monkeys and they failed. I remember Russell Johnson appearing on that show. And they, they said the question, you can make a coconut radio out of a coconut, but you couldn't work, you know, you couldn't do, you couldn't fix the gut, the, the, the boat. And,

[01:06:59] you know, I would just remember him appearing. I was like, what the, what, what, what the hell? What, what, what, you know, playing the, his character. Yeah. He was playing his character. He was playing the professor, the fifth rescue from Gillian's Island. Yeah. Fortunately, Victor Fresco went off to do way better sitcoms. Like Andy Richter controls the universe after that. Oh, thank God. I really, I really, I really can't watch that show. The new monkeys. I think, you know,

[01:07:29] myself interview, but I'm sure most people don't want to watch it. No, there was, there's a thing where they're like Mickey Dolan was in Peter Tork and Davy Jones were on the today show. And they, they said, yeah, we saw they were doing, and we're really happy. They're going to do it. You know, as everybody broke down laughing. Cause they were like, it's probably going to fail. You know, I remember that came out. It was just like five weeks. It was over, you know, happens. It was just, Oh,

[01:07:58] I just remember going, Jesus God. I really did a mad magazine of the new monkeys. And at the end, Michael Nesmith got some white out and just like whited them out. When they did the Harlem Globetrotters, remember they, it was Barbara Bain and Martin Landau. And they had the thing called supremium. And it was the thing that powered the robots. I definitely didn't see that one. They were playing. I don't think they read it. I remember the Scatman Crothers was the coach.

[01:08:28] And it was, it was the Harlem Globetrotters. And it was the classic curly meal, you know, with, you know, it was the guys that, you know, did the Harlem Globetrotters and the super, you know, it was like the Harlem Globetrotters. We all knew growing up, you know, and you know, that sweet Tatum and all those. And I remember like, you know, they're like, they're like, okay. Hinkley just, the professor just draws up a frigging basketball play for them. And they're like, I'm watching this. I'm like,

[01:08:57] so the freaking professor is a freaking genius with basketball. Yeah. Like son of flubber. Definitely. Yeah, exactly. So to your earlier point, James, I feel like they brought in different writers who had no experience with the show. Oh yeah, sure. They'll do it. No one will care if it's not consistent. He knows how to do this. Suddenly. Woo. Action. Also a 60s standby.

[01:09:26] Sitcom thing on almost every show, a double identical twin of Gilligan showed up. Oh yes. They always, well, they, they love playing with the split camera. They're still doing it today. The minute there's a new sitcom, we got to have three more copies of it, but here's the thing that confuses viewers who don't pay attention to the TV guy. They go, is that the show you're talking about? No, it's this one. Oh fuck. I don't remember the premise on the, the other Gilligan.

[01:09:55] What do you remember what happened there? I think he was a spy or something like that. Oh yeah. He was a spy. Oh, that's okay. Yeah. Yeah. He was a spy in a different language or something or different. Like Russian or something like that. Yeah. I can't imagine Carol O'Connor being the skipper. Oh geez, Gilligan. What are you, a meathead? Yeah, you're going back.

[01:10:24] They were talking about casting him. I remember. Yeah. The skipper. Oh man. That would have been something. Gilligan, you are a meathead. Now will you stifle it there, Mr. and Mrs. Howl? Huh? Yeah. Oh, oh, Archie. What are you doing on the island? Archie Bunker's Island. Perfect. Oh, that's perfect for Carol. Everybody on the island was white. So, you know,

[01:10:54] he had no problem with it. Oh my God. Is this thing moving at the store there? Huh? Marianne? Jesus. Well, no, you know, the natives would occasionally show up. Yeah. Then it'll be shit in the whole island. Oh, of course they were, they were white guys in makeup, but you know, whatever. I know. Yeah. Conan O'Brien had a historical skit about that. He was interviewing someone and he just randomly brings up gun smoke. Oh yeah. Pretty sure those were actual native Americans. Right. Right. Oh,

[01:11:21] the thing I always loved about this experience is hearing the Tarzan movies. Oh my God. Some of the guys who played the natives were like janitors on the, on the stage and they just blacked them up with makeup. And it was like, you tell what, like one, one guy is smoking a cigar, you know, and they're like, they're okay. Okay. You have to talk like this. And the guy's like, but I'm a Shakespearean actor. You have to talk like this. Like you, like you from jungle, jungle, jungle, take big brain down. Oh, Tarzan.

[01:11:51] And the guys are going, yeah. Five minutes of preparation. I nailed the role. Yeah. You're making me think of a Tarzan movie. I watched where they were trying, where this caravan of people are trying to cross this cliff. And one of the natives falls. And the guy's like, Oh my God, our equipment. And I'm like, the guy just lost his life. Right. No acknowledgement of the other guy who's saving his hide for you. It's like, no,

[01:12:21] just another fall guy. Literally fall guy. We take, we take, we take you to where big, big bird fly. Yeah. I love the Monty Python sketch where they were, they're doing like the, the, um, jungle things. Come on, new dogs. We have no time for this. I was like, what page, what, what page is script? Please page 32. Oh, come on, you dogs. We have time to move. Come on, you dogs. This has gone far enough.

[01:12:47] Imagine if Buster Crabb were still alive and he was teaching a acting class. Oh yeah. You got to pull your pants up to your waist. Like this. You must flex. No, that was Donnie Weissmuller. Weissmuller was Tarzan. Okay. Perfect. You know, if wrong way, Felden could get off the island, how come they couldn't? Yeah. Oh God. Who played? Did he appear? Hans Conrad was it? Yes. Okay. Was it just one episode or was he in a few?

[01:13:17] I, I don't think anybody ever came back. One, once a one time. I think they were always, yeah, I don't think they ever. Bill Silvers. I remember being in one. It was kind of the sixties equivalent of hosting SNL. You know, your one appearance on. Yeah. I like that contrast. Or, or, or villain. Yeah. Or yeah. Batman walking up the building. Although the villains on Batman would reappear, but still, I don't think anybody ever came back to the island. Yeah,

[01:13:47] I think you're right. I could be wrong. No, I think you're right. That's a good trivia question. If anyone came back, they were probably playing a different person. Probably. The villains on where they all had each other's voices. Remember that one? That was that weird Island. Or was that a dream? That's right. Yeah. Or did that actually happen? Oh man. It's all. You know, did the, did the show actually exist? Or is it all in our minds? Oh, you better not start. You better not start.

[01:14:17] Like lost is really Gilligan's Island. Oh, please. No. I'm like, what am I? This is, this was a guy I used to hang out with. At least this had an ending. Didn't it? You know, well, you know, lost is Gilligan's Island, but it's the other side of the island. You never see. I'm like, what fuck? What are you even smoking? Yeah. Can we like, not just cut by that logic. Anything said on an island is in the, same. Well, I had to think for a while too, like mash. They're all stuck. They're all stuck.

[01:14:47] They're all stuck at the radio station. American base in Korea. Yeah. Yeah. There's quite a few shows where everyone's in the same location. Every episode. Unless you sneak in a St. Elsewhere reference. I'm not playing this game. Sorry. I'll shake the globe. Right. Can I just get a jacket that Herb Tarlick wore? Thanks. Oh God. My dad was a salesman. He thought he dressed fine. He was like, Oh God.

[01:15:17] Frank, Frank, Frank, I always have the feeling when I go to, when I die and I go wherever I'm going to go, Frank Bonner is going to be there. It's going to be Herb Tarlick at the, wherever the hell I'm going, going, it's going on there. And I'm going to be like, it's going to be in front of the, like, you know, like, you know, Frank Burns, Herb Tarlick, and Ted Knight. That's my personal, her help. Frank Caliendo used to do a wonderful parody of him.

[01:15:47] But yeah, Ted Knight alone is why Caddyshack is a classic. No, I will just say that. Sorry. Did the house find out they were broke by a radio on one episode? Yeah. They found that they, they lost everything. Then he got everything back in the end. Oh, really? One of their lawyers would like, like, dupe, like, you know, basically like duped them or something like that. What? We're poor. We're poor. Before you can say Amityville. Jesus.

[01:16:18] There was a lot of plot lines on that show. You have to admit, there was a lot of, but at least we could all get it straight as opposed to feel like, you know, this, like when we brought up happy days, you know, it was pretty much a perfect example of a show that eventually kind of loses its warm, but as you remember the good times and not the unneeded spinoffs, same kind of deal here. We don't remember really any of them. I mean, we do remember the infamous movies, but that's okay. The, the free season run is strong enough. We can just focus on that.

[01:16:50] Yeah. I'll, I'll say this. Like, you know, we all know the theme song, you know, and that's the one thing we were ABCs and we knew the Gilligan's Island theme song, you know, just sit right back in here. The tale, the tale of a faithful trip upon the shit. Now I forget it. And the first season, the music was different. I think they read, redid the themes. Well, they, they added the. Yeah. Yeah. They, they even did a number in half or six and they're like, Nope. It's free. And the mosquitoes,

[01:17:19] I believe did the theme song. Oh, did they? I think the Rivingtons. I thought they were just the guests, but yeah, I think behind the scenes. Oh, yeah. Awesome. And also the Brady bunch, they had the Brady kids saying it eventually the theme. Are you kidding me? Yeah. I love how we, I love how it started. I thought the first couple of seasons, it was a, it was a musicians, but I think the Brady,

[01:17:47] Brady kids themselves sang the themes. I love how. Oh yeah. Yeah. I remember. I love how those conversations gone back and forth. Like it's the first two seasons you hear, you know, the, the, the, the normal adult vocals. And then you hear. Yeah. The kids singing, I think the last three seasons. Yeah. Maybe. Maybe they aren't enhanced by other singers, but I think of a couple of them. Time to change. Yeah. Time to change, baby. You know what I mean? I think it is.

[01:18:17] I love how I started off. James surprised Tom. Then I surprised James. Then James hit me back with more surprises. And now Tom surprising James. It's like a big giant rigmarole. This is a trivia session. We should have our own game show of TV facts. I think the thing that gets me the most is like, if you watch, there's one episode of the Brady bunch, Jim Backus comes on as Mike Brady's boss.

[01:18:46] And it's the one where I think it's Peter or Bobby. Like thinks he's a pool shark or something like that. And Jim Backus schools him at the pool table. I remember that. I remember Jim Backus. And I remember Jim Backus. I remember Jim Backus. They used to show Blondie and Dagwood, the TV series from the sixties with Pamela Ferdin played the daughter in it. Pamela Ferdin, if you guys ever know, she's like, you know, the, the,

[01:19:15] she's like the Thelma Ritter, the teenage Thelma Ritter of the, of the 1970s. And she was in all these old TV shows and movies. She always made me a Sissy Specic kind of look in a way. Yeah. But, um, Thelma Ritter and Pamela Ferdin, how the hell can I refer those two together? Um, but I remember him being on the, the, he played the boss, Mr. Dithers. And then he played, um, then he was, then he, he did, he was on the, he would always do like game shows or something like that.

[01:19:44] And like towards the end of the seventies, I remember him doing angels revenge. Oh my God. Yeah. I'll be a man for your Jimbo. James, I hate to tell you, Wikipedia says Dusty's trail was syndicated. Are you kidding me? I thought it was, I thought it was. No, it was sure. Schwartz produced it. So, you know, anyone can edit Wikipedia. Oh, that's true. I don't see that. I don't see the disclaimer in here. Anyway,

[01:20:14] I thought it was, I thought it was. Let's look up a third side. Uh, all, all, all movie. What is it? IMDB would probably tell you something. Yeah. That's all right, Mike. I thought it was, I thought it was on a TV station. Like, I don't want to, I don't want to start. I don't want to start something. I'm just, no, no, no, no. It's okay. It's okay. I want to believe James's version. Reality. I just, I want that to be the head cannon. I want that to be the head cannon. I am rewriting the Wicca.

[01:20:44] Jesus. I'm going to be, it's harder to find the info. Oh my God. Did somebody take the time stone and go back in time and make it, uh, you know, I, I, I thought it was on a, I thought it was on a network to be honest. Wait a minute. Lori Saunders played Betsy. Wasn't she and other stuff, uh, that you couldn't show on TV. Oh yeah. Striking brunette, Lori Saunders. All right. We're getting, I'm going to, yeah, let's, uh,

[01:21:16] it was in a movie called Frazier, the sensuous lion before that. Oh, Niles, what did you find on the internet? Love American style. Okay. Yeah. Well, that's probably the only one you can air on. Lori Sanders or Lonnie Sanders? Saunders, Saunders. S-A-U-N-D-E-R-S. Well, um, she was playing the ginger part. I'm sure they answer each other's fan mail. Yeah.

[01:21:45] Also what we called the Vixen of death. Oh, Oh, geez. Death to all vixens. I'm in a movie called Vixen of death. Unless it's coming to USA network. It might be part of the, um, interesting history with her. I love how the Zazian Harriet. She was the girl in the driving and it was the area. Wow. Back in 62. So what a hell of a resume.

[01:22:14] Did she make, did she make David or Ricky a man that night? Okay. Um, The girls on the beach, 1965 before, uh, Oh, Jesus. Isn't every girl on the beach at some point? No, that, that was one of those beach movies that I think. She and sex kittens go to college with Mimi Van Doren. Oh my God. I'm a traveling man. I love how. Jesus.

[01:22:43] What are we doing here? What are we doing? What are we doing? We have gone down the rabbit hole. Yeah. We have gone. You said you will never meet a greater hype of scum and validity. We have found porn. Only on the boom tune. It's all started. Cause I want to argue with James.

[01:23:13] I think you just wanted to check it. And then Wikipedia confused it even more. And then of course, Wikipedia is more evil than TV tropes. You will just look up something. And next thing you know, you've gotten through all around with like six different jokes. The characters that does these trail were pro to exactly like, um, the Gilligan's Island characters. Just. Oh my God. Yeah. Oh, the Gilligan's cinematic universe.

[01:23:42] So now you got me wondering if you were to recast. Gilligan's Island, but in a perfect world, no, no bullshit, no trolling. You know, this isn't like when people did that April fool's joke saying, Hey, there's a remake in the works on lethal weapon and diehard. And everyone was like, no, not funny. Like, so in a perfect world, what, what comedy writer would you get? Who's still working. And who do you think? The first three roles. Seth MacFarlane. Okay. I'll bite. Okay.

[01:24:11] So doing a straight up. We know he can do serious. We also know he can do camp. So yeah, sometimes both like he's doing with the original. Seth MacFarlane would write it. Um, I would get Judd Apatow to direct it. Okay. I'll bite. I'm 50, 50 on him, but that that'll work. Yeah. Just someone who's good with those kinds of raunchy comedies, but can do straight face wit also. Okay. Um, wow.

[01:24:39] Russell Crowe as the skipper. Okay. Perfect. So he'd be quite around the world. What's that? I can't think of the guys. I love that. You just did a South Park reference. Perfect. Um, but he looks like guilt in a way. The guy that played in, um, he was in, uh, that Kevin Smith movie, Tusk. Oh, Justin Long. Yeah. Justin Long. From that and Jeepers Creepers and Die Hard 4. Okay. Perfect. Justin Long or Michael Cera. Paulie Shore is Gilligan. Michael Cera.

[01:25:09] Okay. I can handle him or Eisenberg. See what I did there. wait, wait, who Gilligan? Oh, we're having Justin Long from Die Hard 4 and Jeepers Creepers and Tusk as the Gilligan. Okay. I can see it. You, you, you know, I'm from all those Mac commercials with John Hodgman. Jesse Eisenberg. I could see that. Okay. Also in dodgeball. Yes, he is. Uh, um,

[01:25:42] let's see the howls. Okay. Yeah. Howls. I would put the howls. I would love to see the howls just go like a completely opposite direction. Um, Patrick Warburton as Mr. Howell. Patrick Warburton as Mr. Howell. I love it. I love it. He's going to have the perfect drive. This is Howell. By the way, while I'm looking up, I'm looking up Gilligan's just looking at the cast comparisons. Uh, it's actually on Tubi now.

[01:26:12] Oh, really? So, uh, I usually try to give an idea of where people can, you know, find it. Do you have to buy it on Amazon or do a DVD search? Okay. No, I would say, I would say this, this would be good. Call Giamatti as the professor. Yeah. Yes. Yes. I will take that. I will absolutely. That is the best cast. Um, although the, although the professor in the TV show was like the handsome guy. Yeah. That would be, that would be,

[01:26:41] but that would be the take on it, you know? Yeah. Okay. So, uh, Tom, you said Thurston was going to be played by, uh, Warburton. Yes. Okay. Okay. So I'm just trying to think of Skipper. Like it's gotta be the right kind of just guy who can do tough guy, but also. Russell Crowe. Okay. Yeah. Shit. Shit. We already said Russell Crowe. Okay. So now we just got ginger and Mary. Well, for, uh, she's a little old, but she still looks pretty good.

[01:27:11] And that's, um, from dusk till dawn. Um, Salma Hayek. Salma Hayek. Yeah. Okay. No, no, no, no. And that would bring some ethnicity to it. No, I, I think, I think, um, I would love to see American Ferrer as Marianne. The name's very, no. Yeah. For sure. Ugly Betty. For sure. The traveling pants. For sure. The traveling pants. Ferrer has got good comedic ability. Oh, she was on her store.

[01:27:41] Yeah, no, that, that, that, that works. I'm, I'm down with that. Um, for, for ginger, why not Jessica Chastain? Oh yeah. Oh, yes. Okay. Perfect. So you can add. I would have put Megan Fox in there, but I heard she's working at a McDonald's and she can't miss her day show. He's going to be one of the secretaries and we put her in there as a joke. Get it? Yeah. Get it. That would actually be funny. They just go, Hey, like at the end of the show, and like, they just,

[01:28:10] they could kind of do one part that I like about the jump street movies. They could come in and be like, and by the way, you guys have made it back to America. We're now going to adapt your story into a movie and they could be the actors who are going to betray them in a movie. Whoever wrote for Chuck would be good writing in Gilligan's reboot too. I would think. Yeah. Yeah. I'm down with that. For that matter, the lead from Chuck could play Gilligan. Oh, yeah. You know him as Shazam. Shazam. Yeah.

[01:28:39] I still can't believe I watched Shazam and Chuck and I didn't realize it was the same person. He looks a little different. Yeah. Zach Levy. Yeah. Although he's had some, yeah. Political. Let's leave Zach. I don't want to get to it. No, that, that, this is an amazing guessing. I love it. I love it. I accepted. Now let's give it to the studio to fuck up. Well,

[01:29:08] the test screening didn't go well. We're going to have to, produced by, I mean, I would also wouldn't mind naked gun free director, Peter Siegel. I think he could pull it off. Just. Oh yeah. But are they doing a naked, another naked gun movie? They've been talking about it for years. Farland joke that he would do it with Liam Neeson. I don't think that would work. I, I, I can't see Liam Neeson doing it, but I think it would be funny if he did it. I, I can see him. Actually, I disagree. I can see him doing it. I mean, they would do it.

[01:29:37] I just don't know if I would want to see it. Oh, I would want to see it just to see what they do with it. And this is coming from some stupid, violent movies and who watches all the take and every time they're on TV. I don't know. I don't know. Is this some, is this some kind of bus? Yes, ma'am. It's very impressive. It's a bus. You got to do it in dramatic slow motion. It's a bus. Is Keanu on it? Yes. What about you, Nicholas Cage?

[01:30:06] Not the bees. Not the bees. I'm walking. I need some money. I want to do it. I just thought about like Al Pacino is Gilligan. Oh, that's weird. Yeah. Skipper, come over here. Hey, I'm talking to you. You know, somebody else would be a playful professor. I'm thinking it might be me.

[01:30:36] Could be me. Could be me. I got this coconut over here. I brought this water over here. If he was still with us, I would try and then do the thing and then do the thing and then maybe come up with a radio. I would try and get Adam Weston there somewhere if he were still alive. But Marlon Brando is the skipper. Oh, my God. As Kurds. You came to me. As Kurds from Paco's now. Yeah. Oh, my God. The other day I was watching Gilligan. The dark side of Gilligan's Island.

[01:31:06] The dark side. You asked me for a favor. I'm the director of Tropic Thunder. There you go. I saw that. The midnight movies. He terrified me the first time I saw that. Oh, I bet, dude. It's total nightmare fuel if you watch it in that context. Well, first time I saw it was at the midnight movies. Oh, my God. Yeah. Oh, that's great. I was up late one night and I was watching the scene where he's like, you know,

[01:31:35] he's flipping out in the hotel room to, you know, the doors. And then I'm like watching the whole movie. And I like, I love the, my favorite part comes on where it's like, it's, you know, it's, it's Duvall playing, you know, and he's like, see how those waves break. I want you to go out there. I'm like, wait a minute. I'm like, watch this. I'm like, this is the, this is the whole fucking movie right here. This is how it is. You know? And I'm like, and then when they go up the boat and everything like that, I'm like, and you hear Fred, you hear Fred, Fred,

[01:32:04] get out of the boat. Absolutely not. Get out of the goddamn boat. I like, uh, it's just a flare. It's just a flare. The whole, the whole, Oh my God. It's on fire. It's just a flare. It's just a flare. Why do you sit on your balls? He's just, he doesn't twitch, you know? Oh, we love coming out of the rising sun. Scares the hell out. I can't say it, but, um, I say it's safe to serve this beach. All right.

[01:32:34] We got the Joker. No, the ace. Yeah. You know, the thing I loved is, um, like, you know, can you imagine like apocalypse now on Gilligan's Island? Oh God. We like coming out of the rising sun. Scares the hell out of the, out of Gilligan and the, and the skipper. I don't think Vietnam was mentioned once on Gilligan's Island. Hadn't even escalated yet. Well, they would have already been shipwrecked before that really got started.

[01:33:04] I think you have episodes with like, like, yeah, that was that era. Yeah. It was on what? 66 to 68. I can't remember. Well, because the show ended in 67. Yeah. Before. Yeah. So I thought it ran down to 69. Like Star Trek. Almost like another peril. Now I gotta look it up. Like I said, last episode was the day after I was born. That was in April 17th is when it ended.

[01:33:33] It was last episode of 1967. Oh, you're right. It ended April 67. Okay. Yeah. It was earlier than I thought. Wow. You know, back, back when in 67, I was a dandy of Gamma Chi.

[01:34:03] I think the thing that always cracks me up is like, later in life, like Bob Denver was being asked to like speak at like graduations and shit like that. And, you know, he, he, he, they wanted, you know, nobody realized he'd done like other stuff before. Everybody wanted Gilligan to be at the college. And I was like, I was like, this is what he's, you know, this is what he's going to be remembered for playing this lovable character. And he played, but you know, he's also, yeah, for Gilligan,

[01:34:32] he's known the most, but you know, Maynard Krebs on, um, Maynard Krebs. I remember my mom thought his name was Gilligan on, on that show. What on? Toby Gillis. Yeah. She thought his name was Gilligan. Does anybody remember the movie bring me the head of Toby Gillis? I've heard of it, but I've never seen it. It was, it was a reunion movie they did in like 1986, 87. It was, Oh yeah. With Dwayne Hickman.

[01:35:02] It was Dwayne Hickman. Um, was it Dwayne? Yeah. Dwayne Hickman. Sheila. What's her name? Who played Zelda? Zelda. Zelda. William Shalert was in it. Um, and they couldn't get Tuesday. Well, to come back as, um, Thalia manager. So they brought in Connie Stevens. I mean, Warren baby, right? No, Warren baby, Warren baby,

[01:35:31] Warren baby left after the first season. And then they had Steve, um, Steve, what's his face? Come on. the guy. So wild. So wild. You just, James, you reminded me of, you reminded me of something. It's, it's going back to the, that documentary movie thing that you mentioned. And Dwayne, is it Dwayne Hickman's name of the guy who played, he's the guy who played Dobie Gillis, right? I think you're right. He is.

[01:36:00] He plays a good, good pick by the way. I will seek that out. That sounds awesome. But, but he plays the studio executive in that. Yeah. Where he's trying to pitch the movie to these two executives. He's one of the executives. Okay. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's kind of like a little joke. It's on YouTube. I just looked it up. Yep. That's where I watched it. Oh, sweet. All right. Okay. I'm going to take a look at that.

[01:36:28] So I'm glad there's a place to find these. Cause I hate it when just like any, just normally accessible thing. Like when I see just so many of these 60 shows that you can't find anywhere to me, it is almost as bad as like, let's say anyone in today couldn't stream Seinfeld or friends, you know, that's just a bigger crime, you know, it's like, well, you should be able to find anything anywhere. I think that's, that's the one thing I love about YouTube is finding all this hard to

[01:36:56] find stuff that you can't find anywhere else. And the only difference is, of course, a lot of it's like stuff people recorded off TV decades ago. It is. Yeah. Basically, you get what you get, but, but sometimes it is fun because you will also kind of like the holiday special of Star Wars. You'll see some of the infamous commercials that would have been on at the time. And those are kind of fun too. It was like, yeah, that was part of the programming back then. Oh my God. So I got a cool option for you. Yeah. And I,

[01:37:23] I just knew you guys are going to love this kind of thing for next week. I figured we could go into a overview of the Rat Pack. Just one, two hour discussion. Oh, we're going to be getting, we're going to be getting a lot of impersonations from Tom and. Absolutely. We are. You kidding? Yes, we are. Hey, how'd all these people get in my room? Hey, look, baby. Hey, look, cuckoo, baby, get out of the room before I swap you one.

[01:37:53] Well, I don't know. I saw the. I don't really, not that familiar with the Rat Pack. I know they were super cool. Well, it's fine. If you've only just seen a few movies, it's fine. It would be just a fun chat for anyone. Yeah. How much, how much of the Rat Pack was involved in the oceans 11 movie? It was, uh, it was. Yeah. Okay. It's Sam. It was the, it was the core five Sammy Davis jr. Peter Lawford, Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Joey Bishop. Okay.

[01:38:24] Right. Joey was over there. Yeah. And it's at Christmas Eve. So it's a Christmas movie. Yeah. And there was like Norman fell a bunch of other people. And then the bad guy, the guy Richard Conti was in the guy who played Barzini in the Godfather. Oh, that's right. Yep. Yeah. Got to have some original gangsters. Yeah. Um, that's a different movie altogether. Oh, true. Yeah. And not to be confused with the Larry Cohen B movie. Yep. Ooh,

[01:38:53] there's a movie I want to see that has the, I think it's got the Rat Pack in it. It's like Robin and the seven hoods. Oh, you'll love that. That is a very good movie. And it also stars, uh, also stars Peter Falk. I think so. Yeah. And the, the plot is just outrageous. Like, and you're surprised at just where that, where it goes. You're like, wow. They went there. Well, I guess I'll be looking for that for my Friday night movie on voodoo. You'll love it. You'll love it. That's,

[01:39:22] that's the one thing you got to watch when you watch these movies. Cause Peter Wofford is not in Robin and the seven hoods. Because of what happened with Sinatra and JFK. Um, Well, that's right. He was tied in with them. Yeah. See? Yeah. Yeah. A temper tantrum after. Yeah. I think. That's the best story. We have told time and time again. Um,

[01:39:53] you're going to go to the Crosby's house. I want to go. I'm going to have plenty of imitations. You're going to Crosby's house. We're going to make plenty of imitations of Dean Martin slapping. Yeah. Yeah. There's Frank's drummer was involved in the assassination. That, that old. Story. What was that? You never heard that one? That Sinatra's drummer was involved in the JFK. Whoa. I actually haven't heard that one. I thought he. What kills me about those theories is nobody agrees on which one is right.

[01:40:24] You know, there's somebody. Pick a team. Occam's razor tells you who did it. So anyway, don't get. Oh my God. Everybody wants somebody somehow. It's a good turn. Everybody needs someone somehow. I'll tune in next week. Yeah. We're the Rat Pack guys right now. I mean, we're the artificial. Pan man. I can do Sammy man. So then we got to see who we're compared to.

[01:40:54] And I got to tell you, I can't see who I'd be compared to. I could see. I don't want to be. I see you. I don't think anybody wants to be. I would love to. I can do a Sammy David impression, but yeah, no, I wouldn't be politically correct. I can see. I. I can see Mike on his angriest day being a Sinatra. That'd be funny. All I can say is that. All I can say is nobody wants to be. Nobody wants to be Joey Bishop. Even Joey Bishop doesn't want to be Joey Bishop.

[01:41:26] There's a cat back there who should not be up there. You see the tail? I do. Well, the Rat Pack was too busy chasing tail. So yeah. Hey man. Hey man. It's a swinging cat. I don't care, man. Yeah. Pretty cat. Yeah. There's a movie that came out in the sixties. It's called salt and pepper. Yeah. I was going to mention that. Yeah. And there was one called, then there was a sequel called one more time.

[01:41:54] That was directed by Jerry Lewis. Oh my God. Oh God. Yeah. And it's, it's Peter Lawford and Sammy Davis Jr. Playing two detectives. And I'm thinking to myself, I wonder how Sinatra took it when he would find out. See, I mean, you're making a movie with that, with that, that, that, that guy who was with us. Yeah, man. Okay. Who's directing? Jerry, man. Oh, Jerry, Jerry, baby. Oh boy. His career is going nowhere and I'm going somewhere. Yeah,

[01:42:24] man. I know, man. I'm going to the bar, baby. Yeah, baby. Let's go to the bar and have some fun. Everybody loves somebody. Somebody. Somebody. Everybody needs someone somehow. Now I'm picturing Dean Martin falling into a water from, from a bed. I've heard some of the recordings of when they were all together in Vegas and stuff.

[01:42:51] And it's a lot of quick bits and drums and okay. Are we going to do a song? You know, just. Yeah. A lot of bits and then they never really do anything. It's just, it's fascinating to listen to those. Episode where Tony put the Elm on the beach or in the boat. Oh my God. Didn't want to sell. So he blasted the guy.

[01:43:21] Yeah. Yeah. It was in my room. Yeah. Anyway. What are these people doing in my room? Yeah. Then there's a story that, that was just a bit. He didn't actually drink or I don't know how much of that is. Yeah. Like he drank apple juice or something. Yeah. It was, it was, it was, it was Martin Nelly's apples, apple juice that he had in there, but he would, he would drink, but he wasn't. Which is probably why he was angry. Yeah.

[01:43:51] Oh, TV show. TV show was big for a while. Oh, my bad. That was Jerry. That was Jerry Lewis. It pissed him off. My bad. Working with Jerry no more. You're just a fucking dollar sign to me, kid. The worst thing to say to Jerry Lewis, Jerry Lewis goes, all right, watch me direct all these movies. Oh boy. Ding. That's a good impression. Oh boy. Ding. I have to say, working with Dean was great.

[01:44:20] Working those 10 years with Dean was great. And let me put a lozenge in one mouth. And let me just say this right now. I mean, I can never ask for another partner like Dean ever again, because Dean was just the greatest partner you could ever have. Yes. My boy. No, no, I'm going to be an annoying schmuck with greased back hair and glasses, telling everybody. son of a bitch.

[01:44:51] Oh, Oh, we're going to have plenty of jokes about them and the Kennedy's. It'll be great. Oh God. Kevin Spacey used to do a great impression of Jerry Lewis. Oh wait. Oh yeah. Don't leave my house yet. He also did want to jack lemon and what a potty mouth he was. Oh God. I love the way he talked about Walter math. Now there was an earthquake. Walter math. I got up and he was down. Who the hell is shaking the building?

[01:45:20] He's in earthquake. The movie. Oh, he was a drunk at the bar. He's the only. double whammy. While the earthquake was. So yeah, that's actually, yeah, that's a line that he actually. Freaking whammy. I love it. Credited. I believe he's credited by his real name. It's not Walter math. Now he goes by his real name. Oh, okay. By his. Yeah. Yeah. Nutty. I was wondering if you could come out.

[01:45:49] This is Walter math. I'm doing an obscene call. I was wondering if you could just show me something, something I've always wanted to see. Who is this? It's the guy across the street looking in your window. That's the other grumpy man. Okay. Sound like. Frankenstein. And you're a fish. And my fish. And you're a fish. And we go fish. We won't get a fish at all.

[01:46:22] Oh, God. The old men where they're watching. They're watching them. They'll pull away. And Walter. And Jack Lennon walks up to Walter math. And goes, who got married? Who died? Who got married? But who died? Chuck's taking the old skin boat to tuna town. You. Oh, my God. I got them all. I got them all. Jesus. All right. This is great, guys. Always a delight. I had no idea where this was going to go.

[01:46:52] And like always, we, we went, we went one way and then it went another way. Oh, stranded on surreal Island. Surreal Island. Oh, my God. At least it wasn't fantasy Island. Oh, yeah. Then the, in our episode to be, just the plane. Yeah. I would just be, uh, what's his name? We, we, and Ricardo Malta, man impression. Tattoo. Tattoo. Tattoo. Good morning. Good morning.

[01:47:22] Welcome to fantasy Island. Oh, God. I love this. I love this. I love this. CTV webpage posted. Um, there's a thing from Martin short saying, um, our, our cast member and friend, Joe flirt. He's not doing well. Um,

[01:47:50] he doesn't want to spend the last days of his life in a, in a, uh, care facility. He wants to stay home and it's costing like $20,000 just to keep up. And the only person who's taking care of him was a daughter. And I was like, Oh shit. That's not, you know? Yeah. So I'm like, think I'm bracing myself for the inevitable, you know? And it's always on a really bad day. Like when another holiday is passed or something, you know, Jesus, the timing,

[01:48:19] nothing can prepare you for death. You know, and I, all kinds, all kinds of, you can have the best insurance, the best. Really scary. I hope. I love, I love count Floyd. When he would do count Floyd, I would fricking fall on the floor. Just wasn't that scary kids. I've been, I've been wanting to watch some SCTV or something like that. Do you know where it might be streaming anymore? God. Um, I don't know. I'll have to look.

[01:48:48] I think it's on shout TV. on the shout. Yeah. That sounds right. I love this talk show too. You know, you kids today don't realize how talented this guy, this actor was. You do the whole, a lot of great TV show or talk show parodies on there. I love the one. I did, uh, him and, him and John Candy. He was like the two brothers. Yep. She blowed up. She blowed up. Really? That real good. Jesus. And then, Oh, who was,

[01:49:17] who did the Merv Griffin bit to, uh, we'll be right back. We'll be right back. Oh, that was, we're going to sports. Yeah. But it was, it was Floyd Cameron bear and, and, and Earl Cameron bear. Yeah. Earl Cameron. Yeah. Earl Cameron bear. And then it was, um, Floyd, Floyd, the barber. They did something with him too. Oh yeah. That was great. Oh Jesus. Oh man. Oh, they combined the Andy Griffith show with Merv Griffin.

[01:49:47] I think that's what it was. Yeah. That's what it was. Yeah. Oh man. I, I just want, I just want to go back and watch that on Cinemax again, because that was so fun to watch. You know, by the way, we did a special on skin of max earlier today. Can't wait for you guys to hear that hysterical chat. Oh God. Can we talk about all the bizarre documentaries and standup they had on there too? And it's like, yeah. Why wasn't this on TVS instead? Skin of max.

[01:50:16] It had like real sex or something. Oh, that was HBO. We did joke about that kind of how it was like TNT and TVS. It was like, okay, one's supposed to be kind of the more classier one, but still has some lowbrow shit on there. And then the other one's got all this bizarre cool stuff. Yeah, it was, it was HBO had real sex. Cinemax had Cinemax after dark. Showtime had showtime late at night. So on a Friday night and a Saturday night,

[01:50:45] if your parents went to bed early, boys and girls, you could watch some really freaky shit. And then you would say that one. Mysteries, nightmare fuel, and then just a stupid comedy where you're like, I want to watch it again. Or, or it would be some like European soft core erotic movie. And you'd be like, yeah, what the hell is this shit? This game. You'll go to camp. Yeah. Remember when the gorilla showed up on Gilligan's Island? Yeah.

[01:51:14] It was kind of like that, but more freaking. Was that Bob? It had to be Bob Burns. There's so many episodes. I can't, I can't remember a lot of this stuff anymore, but man, it's like, if they seem to all run together. Yeah. You know, I think the minute you see one of them, Oh, I remember this now. I'm not sure if that's a opening for a pun or not. We were talking about Cinemax. It made me think now about Gilligan's Island as a porn parody. I wonder what that was called.

[01:51:44] Yeah. Joked about it earlier. Gilligan's ladies. I don't know. Gilligan's Gilligan's Island Insider. Gilligan's Island of Horde. Let's just call it Gilligan's Island of Horrors. So that way we can have a random creature feature in there too. Yeah. I predict Roger Corman presents. It would be, it would be. Mary, you're screwing that gorilla.

[01:52:14] Oh God. Really? We're really just learning it out of the bag. I find, I find the shower scene. I find the shower scene with Mrs. Howell strangely erotic, but strangely, I want to just gouge my eyes out. perfect. Michael Ironside will be Skipper. And yeah, Gilligan can be Eric Roberts. Perfect. Love it. They took my thumb Skipper. They took my thumb. I love it.

[01:52:44] We'll reference that. There's quicksand on Gilligan's Island. There must've been at least one. Well, there is now. I think there was one they did in the episode. Yeah. And now you'll find the reason, find out the reason why she's called Lovey. Oh yeah. There you go. It'll start Carrie Wuhar and Shannon Tweed. Perfect. Perfect. And we can rip off random scenes from Romancing the stone and Raiders of the Lost Ark. It'd be perfect. Yeah. Little buddy, we open this arc. The Nazis are going to get wiped out. Yeah.

[01:53:13] Can you imagine Gilligan running away from a boulder? I don't think he can even run. Well, guess what happened? What is it, Gilligan? I took this, I took this idol. Yes, Gilligan. And I, I, I, I put, I put a bag. Yes, Gilligan. And then I, well, you just get to the point. Motherfucker, get to the point. I hate snakes. I hate them. Kind of. Sort of. Oh God.

[01:53:43] I just can't believe they go on a three hour tour and this like mystery storm pops up out of nowhere. Oh my God. Yes. Yes. Oh my God. It started getting rough. Directed by rolling. A tiny ship was tossed. It's not the creative field. The good window would be lost. The good window would be lost. Was it the, uh, the super glue that went bad episode where Gilligan runs off camera and goes, wait, wait. I just remembered all these little bits and pieces.

[01:54:13] That's just that. There was always some little gadgets, some little thing he had to obtain. You're like, how'd you lose it? Doesn't matter. We got to get it back. I just love when somebody would go off the island. They would just dive in the lagoon and just swim off at like hyper speed. Yeah. Yeah. And then it made you wonder, well, with that energy, I guess you could swim home. Surely there's an abandoned boat out there. Just waiting. With the amount of,

[01:54:42] like you say, the amount of stuff they made out of nothing, they literally could have just made any kind of twigs and just made themselves a bunch of oars. You know, just row themselves out of there. I just, I just have this picture of like, like the end of the series, you know, they're all just sitting there going, you think we're ever going to be seen on TV again? Eh, I don't know. Maybe. Ask me in two years. Ask me in five years when we do a reunion movie. Okay.

[01:55:10] And Vincent Schiavelli plays one of the Russian spies in one of those movies. That's right. Oh my God. Imagine if they had gone. How did I remember that? I don't know. That's amazing. Vincent Schiavelli plays one of the Russian spies in one of those movies. No, it's just when you're calling it. What's the one thing they do on Wayne's world?

[01:55:44] Trivia senses tingling actor who was in the movie. It wasn't Adam West, Alexa. I did trivia last night. I did trivia last night. My friend Diana, we're doing comic book trivia. Oh, wonderful. And they were like, they asked like, you know, what is the name of the Island that wonder woman is from? I'm like, that's easy. Themyscira. I'm like, okay. What was the, what was the code that Thor put in the Quinn jet to activate it in,

[01:56:13] in Thor Ragnarok. I'm going like, what, what, what? How? Who? What? Is this a bad crossover? I never saw. Yeah. That's technically not, not a comic trivia. That's movie trivia. Yeah. They were doing that. They're putting the movie trivia in with the comic book trivia. It was like, so it was like, you ain't seen the comic. Like what was that? What was Stephen Strange's name? Occupation before he became Dr.

[01:56:43] Strange. And I'm like, he was a surgeon. No, we need to be a little more specific of what he did. He was a surgeon who operated on people. No, he wasn't a neurosurgeon. I'm like, bonus question, bonus question of the night. Ray Palmer, his, what is his superhero name? What is his superhero name? And I'm like, yeah, I'm going, that's easy. Like, you know,

[01:57:12] it was the Adam. Yeah. I go, I just yell out in the middle of it. Yes. Thank you. Yes. You know, everybody's take a glass in their ass. Validation, baby. Validation. There was one team there. They knew every freaking answer for every question. I'm looking at. You probably hated his guts. You're like, get out, get out, get out. Now. Mightiest mortals has 50. You are killing the fun. H and G has 60. It has like 500. I'm like,

[01:57:42] what did they do? Like go home and watch everything. Right. Don't you have a life like me. Don't you men have homes. I live with my folks. So thank you all. This was dynamite chapter. This was fun. Try not to row. Oh yeah. See anytime soon. I don't want you to be lost in the blizzard. I'll keep updating. And when this comes out and yeah, we'll, we'll just do some more fun laid back retro chats. You guys be safe out there.

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