Favorite Tarantino Inspired Movies with Christopher Kelly (Classic American Movies Podcast)

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[00:00:10] Oh God, we've got a special guest tonight.

[00:01:00] Hey, this is Chris Kelly from Classic American Movies. I would like to thank Nicolas Cage for introducing me. Oh? I thought that's what you were doing. I'm sorry. I was, I don't know what I was doing. I think I was doing just a stupid Elvis type. Mixed with the grunge metal.

[00:01:27] But yeah, no, I love the show. I legit do. I discovered it about two years ago and I was enjoying all the different film festival indie filmmakers. It's like, oh, where do you find these guys? Like these are not people who are going to always be necessarily on a LinkedIn. Plenty of Dark Castle studio stories. Plenty of just other just obscure movies.

[00:01:48] And listening to the show now, I was like, hey, these guys not only love like kind of a stylish kind of American cinema that was happening in the late 80s and throughout the 90s. But I just figured tonight, yeah, I need them on a Chris on a episode where we just talk about movies clearly inspired by the whole, you know, Tarantino way of doing things where you shoot mid to no budget. And, you know, have all kinds of stylish actors get your movie at a festival.

[00:02:18] A lot of these were HBO and Cinemax Showtime premieres that the video stores were crazy with them. You'd always be like, is this by Tarantino? No, but it looks like it. Yeah, no, I actually did several podcasts on what I called the Tarantino effect. And then it turns out that's actually a real term. But I always wanted to do that because for those of us who actually remember the early to mid 90s. Now, it's not like I'm really old or anything. I'm only 40.

[00:02:48] It's just they were very frequent on cable TV and video stores. You saw tons and tons and tons of these. And you can go to any Goodwill and you'll find at least three or four of these things sitting around. And I always wanted to do a podcast episode on this. So whenever I another friend of mine, Josh, I had met him on a movie that we were working on together. And he was a huge like movie buff. He was like the stereotypical film school guy.

[00:03:18] And he was telling me about these movies. And I was like, all right, well, you've seen that. But have you ever seen Children Shouldn't Play With Dead Things? And then he's like, what are you talking about? He's like, how are you a film buff? And then he's like, you know, we would go back and forth and he'd like say, well, you got to watch this movie as part of the French New Wave. But I'm like, you got to see this. This is the Polonia Brothers, you know, the Polonia Brothers. And I mean, you dedicate so many sections to Rob Zombie. And I think he's a perfect candidate.

[00:03:44] I see so many people comparing him to the natural born killers, true romance. Oh, definitely. And I, you know, I told him about the whole idea about the Tarantino effect. And he was like, oh, because he was he would have been like nine. Josh was like 19 when I met him. So this was 2016. So, yeah, he was. So we were when we were sitting around talking and stuff, he was just blown away about these movies.

[00:04:11] And he's like, I was like, yeah, well, when Tarantino came out, you know, it's interesting because like, obviously, we are aware of how gritty and low budget movies have been around forever. They're never going to go away. But it was something about in the early 90s, where in the 80s, there was these big budget blockbuster films. And then people just stopped going to them. And then in the early 90s was whenever what I would call the Tarantino effect, where, you know, Tarantino, by the grace of God, got a couple of guys like two million dollars.

[00:04:40] I think he was things to two million dollars. I might be wrong about that. But to do Reservoir Dogs. Overall, yeah. And that's what created it all. And it all kind of spiraled from there because the studios were going, whoa, you mean you could just for a little bit of money, if you just got somebody who knew what they were doing, you could make these really good movies that looked good, sounded good, and looked cool. And the actors are all cool characters. You get a cool soundtrack. There's these neo-noir elements. And then that's how it all started.

[00:05:09] And that was the Tarantino effect. And there was gajillions of these movies, like one right after the other. It was a lot like in the early 2000s whenever every rapper alive was being signed to a contract because of 50 Cent. You know, it was like, we're just going to work. We got one guy that shot himself nine times. Let's just go see if we can find another guy. Then you get into metal and pop is like, this is good or we don't like this, but this is selling.

[00:05:34] So therefore, whoever we represent, you must look or sound like a quarter of this current guy we're repping. And so that's where it gets even more divisive, I find, is like you'll see people who hated that whole decade, but they can't explain why they hated it or which one. And vice versa. You'll see people are like, I bought all those albums. I saw all those movies, but can't bother to be constructive. And you're just like, well, I guess podcasts are the next best thing because I don't know about you.

[00:06:04] I do find more reward from organizing a chat versus doing a blog post that no one's going to read. I'm a little mixed. My Instagram, whenever I post stuff, it seems to be like hitting a lot of marks. Actually, I don't know if you followed the podcast on Instagram, but Rachel Zegler actually started looking at some of the stories I've posted. I was like, wow. Hand to God, I posted it on there because I was like, I tagged her and look, I saw Y2K.

[00:06:35] It took me a minute to understand what was going on in the movie Y2K. For those who don't know, she's the gal who was in Spielberg's remake of. Correct. Besides story and Shazam. But yeah, she's got the new movie Y2K out. And it took me a minute to figure it out. So I know that like from watching, reading the reviews, it took a minute for everybody to kind of go, oh, so this movie was not meant to be serious. It's strictly camp.

[00:06:58] So it's kind of like if you were watching one of the greatest horror comedies of all time, Evil Dead 2, and you were thinking it was supposed to be a dark drama. So it's like you're watching Y2K and it's like, oh, this is supposed to be ridiculous. It's supposed to be. That's a good contrast. In the same vein. I love it. Well, no, that's a good contrast. That's, I, Instagram is a way better template I find for organizing film buffs.

[00:07:26] Because I would go into different Facebook groups and I would show like collages of different stuff. And I would get like maybe two helpful people in Reddit mode saying I recommend this movie and that movie. And then I'd get a bunch of other just, sorry to be blunt, but just total freaks just going, oh, thank you. You know, it's like, don't, it's like, oh, sorry, that's just a crime movie. It's like, yeah. Yeah.

[00:07:56] But if you actually saw it, you'd be like, this feels like a Tarantino style. And again, we're not saying Tarantino came up with all of these. It's just something to fall back on. Many of these movies you could easily compare to Howe Hartley's, you know, Simple Men, dark comedies that are in New York. You could, many of these that I'll mention absolutely owe as much to say like the Coen Rudder's Fargo, a more dark comedy version of A Simple Plan.

[00:08:26] And even, you know, it's so funny how. How Troy Duffy, Boondock Saints fame and Guy Ritchie were able to have their own careers despite, you know, everybody else. If they tried something, they were instantly like lampooned as a Tarantino wannabe. So, and it's just so funny. It's like Tarantino for a while was being mocked for imitating and ripping off deliberately other movies.

[00:08:52] And then you got all these other guys, but, oh, but he's a, he does it better. Or you're a pretender, Tarantino. It's like, well, it's inevitable. You're going to be inspired by something. Yeah. I mean, I've always said, you know, Neil Young is like the biggest liar on the planet because he said, I am not, I don't have anything inspiring me. Everything comes from within. I'm like, shut the front door. Yeah. Like, look, David Crosby. Look, I don't care.

[00:09:21] I know there's a lot of people that love all sides of the table. I think Crosby, Stills and Nash was better without, without Young. Just saying. Hey, here's the other thing too, dude. Like we were doing some music trivia and we find it so funny how people act like the band no longer exists now because now there's a member who someone so doesn't care for. And like, that's, that's not how this works. No. I mean, you can talk to Leonard Skinner all day about that.

[00:09:49] They're like, they're like the flipknot of their day. And it's like, how many band members do you need? Oh, and the funny thing is when you see people denying that they were ever a fan, it's like, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. You don't get to pretend like you didn't buy all their albums. Come on now. Yeah. And there's no shame. There's no shame. Like what you like. There should never be a sense of, you know, I'm not a real person. It's like, did you like it? Sure. Okay. Then what's the problem?

[00:10:20] Yeah. Is there someone trolling you on the internet? Why do you care? You won't, you'll block them and you'll move on with your life. It is amazing how people just, I mean, it's kind of like when you see, I'm sure you've had your share. When you see people just saying, oh, I shouldn't say that I like this. I'm like, you absolutely should say that you like it. You like it. That is your truth. So don't do this. I tell people all the time. I watch Hallmark. Look, I'm not ashamed of saying I know who the mistletoe murderers are. I know it.

[00:10:50] Somebody's watching something. There's a reason something is on. I mean, why do you think we have all these faith movies? Why do you think, you know, I love doing a cheesy movie night with a sci-fi channel or lifetime film once in a while. So, you know, it's just, you never know, man. But are you, do you own any sci-fi channel original movies on physical media? Yes. So do I. Okay. So like my big one, I have to like, I'm going to put it out there because I want, I want folks to know this.

[00:11:17] The best sci-fi channel original movie was the movie Ogre. The greatest thing ever. All right. You got to watch this movie. That was fun. Even for the time. It was terrible CG. This gigantic ogre. And they give him bitch tits. And it's the funniest thing ever. I just, it's about these group of college 20-somethings, right? They go off into, they're trying to find this hidden enchanted area in the woods called Ellensford, Pennsylvania.

[00:11:44] Since I'm from Pennsylvania and I was at Penn State at the time the movie came out, we would just get rip roaring drunk and be like, yeah, we're going to find Ellensford. Yay. We never found it. Spoiler alert. But Ellensford is not a real place. But John Schneider plays the town mayor. And it's like, what? He does his shares. Those Dix of the Hazzard guys. Yeah. It's brilliant. You got to watch it. But I love the terrible CG.

[00:12:12] The scene of the kid shooting the shotgun at the ogre and he does, there's no kick. It just makes me laugh every time. And the great follow-up to that is the, I believe it was shot in Romania, the rock monster. Yes, rock monster. I've done my share of everything. I've done Morlocks, which is a fun time travel and monster movie with a bunch of Stargate actors. They've had their share of other stuff. I personally recommend Lake Placid versus Anaconda.

[00:12:41] Oh, I don't think I've seen that one. All the versus movies, Boa versus Python, all those fun stuff. Snakes on a Train. Oh, well, that's Asylum. But okay, fair enough. Okay, no, it's fair. Asylum is their own beast. They make those movies in like a weekend. I worked with a few people that did Asylum movies. And they said that prep, shooting, and post is all in like a week. I would not doubt it. I mean.

[00:13:11] Holy smokes. And then they do the whole world rock busters. Like, okay. I love them. I love them to death. They're just so great. Because it's like, that was a special time. But like before, of course, streaming and everything, when you had to go to Blockbuster, it was a special time whenever you'd go to the store. And then you're like, I want to see The Hills Have Eyes. Oh, here's the Sonny Bean story. You know? Here's a movie that's depressing.

[00:13:39] I should see, but I really don't want to spend five bucks just to rent. Oh, we shouted out. That was our weekend. Every weekend whenever I was in college, my friend lived right behind a Blockbuster. So the bus would drop us off at Blockbuster. We'd go in there and we'd get a movie, get a case of beer. And then that was Friday. You know, it was the best. I couldn't tell you how many I've seen. Like Monster Arc was a great one. And Monster Man was another good one. That was fun.

[00:14:05] And all these B-movie actors, like I was never surprised to see the, you know, every other person from Highlander, Babylon 5, Forever Night, you know, Star Trek or Stargate people, you know, is this. And some of them would really embrace it. They're like, this is goofy. Let's have fun. You know, it wasn't always the shot cheap in Canada or Romania thing. Same thing with Tarantino's wannabes.

[00:14:30] It's like, I do miss this sense of, hey, like, I think just the TV premieres or the Blockbuster exclusives made it kind of fun. And way different from nowadays when I see just a cheapie that, even if it's free on Tubi, I'm not sure about pulling the trigger yet.

[00:14:47] And it's like a lot of these movies, just for starters, for those who want to know, like a lot of them feature Isai Morales, Dennis Hopper, Danny Trejo, Michael Madsen, Ernie Hudson, Joe Pintoliano, Michael Perry, and Q for Sarlin, Daryl Hannah. You know, it's just all kinds of fun stuff.

[00:15:07] And even if the filmmakers aren't going for exactly a, again, a Coen Brothers or Tarantino type of feel, like almost all of them involve some elements of dark comedy, hitmen, crooked cops, and, you know, a bank robbery gone awry. And just gangsters who are, you know, hamming it up. A lot of them even had, you know, other Tarantino people that like, that's kind of how they got funded.

[00:15:35] They would say in the vein of Pulp Fiction. And, you know, and they'd have Bruce Willis, they'd have Travolta to make it be a key character. They'd even have. Just other people. They're just like, what are you doing here? You're great, but what are you doing here? There's Ice-T. There's Peter Green, the gimp guy from Pulp Fiction is also in this. That's crazy. I mean, David Ayer, when he came out with Training Day and Street Kings, he got some comparisons to Tarantino.

[00:16:05] You know, and I mean, sometimes you just, it's fun seeing these other professionals even kind of acknowledge each other, the likes of Michael Mann and Martin Scorsese. It's like, it's inevitable. Yeah. Just to kind of like explain what it is that we're talking about a little bit more is this is the Tarantino effect. And it's a term that was used mainly in the starting in the early 90s. That was for the low budget stylized films that would become Hollywood hits.

[00:16:30] And kind of like what we were just joking about, saying that it's kind of like how in the early 2000s they were literally signing any rapper. Hollywood was more or less doing the same thing with filmmakers. That's kind of how we got Kevin Smith when he did Clerks. It was just kind of like, oh, here's a good movie. And they were best friends. It's extremely cheap. We could then turn around. You know? It really started taking notice. He and Paul Thomas Anderson were in the same thing.

[00:16:56] So every once in a while, I'd see people say, hey, that shot in Pulp Fiction looks like it was echoed in something like Magnolia or Ghost Dog. And it's like, yeah, you're right. We love each other. We borrow from each other. What's his name? Who wrote Rules of Attraction? Yeah. Oh, Brady Sinelis? Or are you talking about Roger Avery? Roger Avery, yeah.

[00:17:21] And it's so funny how he does all these movies and they're kind of much like Robert Rodriguez. They're semi in the same universe as Tarantino's verse. But at the same time, he's doing his own thing. But yeah, I mean, when you see American Psycho, it's like, yeah, it works in a Pulp Fiction way. But it also works for fans of the author. Yeah, I was a big Brady Sinelis fan for many years.

[00:17:48] I love how they just announced that Austin Butler is going to be playing Patrick Bateman in the remake of American Psycho. Yeah, I don't mind that. It's inspiring. No, he's a great actor. I've always liked him a lot. Not only just because I'm a big Elvis Presley fan, but he's just a great actor. Oh, I think people are being more fair because they're like, it's a different adaptation. It's not a remake. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:18:11] One of the big problems that a lot that Brady Sinelis specifically had with the original movie was that it wasn't anything like his book, that he felt that the director really missed the mark. And if you read the book in comparison to the movie, you understand that this is all really taking place in the mind of Patrick Bateman. And can you trust him? Yeah, that's a big thing Brady Sinelis writes about is that his character is that he, that's the narrator.

[00:18:39] You don't know if they're trustworthy or not because a lot of the times they're doing drugs. A lot of the times they're lying while they're talking to people. So if they're narrating, the person who's narrating and you're saying, trust me, while at the same time they're like smoking a joint and then lying to somebody else. And they're like going to do a line of Coke. You're like, I don't think I can trust that guy. Yeah. Yeah. So that's kind of what he, that's one of the things that Brady Sinelis talked about openly, but he also said he doesn't own the rights to it.

[00:19:08] So he doesn't have the rights to American Psycho anymore. And that's the reason why we got American Psycho 2, all American girl. But he's like, he's just telling people like, hey, look, like I have nothing to do with this. The only thing I did other than write the novel was that I signed off on writing a comic book for it. But whatever happens, that's it. But I'm on board for the remake. I think it's great. I mean, I think the movie, there's no reason why we can't update it.

[00:19:34] I would like to see a more truth to less than zero, which Tarantino had stated that was going to be his original last film. But then he scrapped that idea. Yeah. Well, no, it's a good idea because like. We're just acknowledging, hey, you can like or hate the movie, but there's a different way to adapt it and everything as opposed to some movies where you wanted it to be as different as the source material or whatever.

[00:19:58] And it's like, yeah, in this case, you know, Easton Ellis, you know, he kind of he has the right to still want a different version of his material. Just so people I mean, it's kind of like how James Elroy would complain about people emulating the style of L.A. Confidential, but not emulating his actual books, you know, that they're based on. And so I kind of you got it. I applaud both sides because they're not trying to be jerks about this or anything.

[00:20:28] And I mean, I just brought up rules of attraction because I definitely feel like it's more of a Tarantino movie the way Roger Avery. Definitely, definitely stuff versus while, you know, American Psycho, where which kind of does its own deal while also. So, you know, maybe appealing to a quarter of those, you know, dark comedy fans that Tarantino definitely emulates.

[00:20:53] I mean, then you got the McDonald brothers, you know, with their various stuff like Seven Psychopaths and, you know. Yeah, that's a good one. And Burgess is like, man, like they they are totally going for that same kind of Coen brothers, Tarantino, Phil. I mean, and I but all these movies like them or hate them, I feel no problem watching any of them because like they.

[00:21:22] They're just very pleasant, if that makes sense, like they are just very engaging, energetic. The music was movie. You wonder how they filmed it on a small scale and you wonder how the marketing must have been back then. It's like, hey, I'm going to have all these guys in, you know, a stylish cover with some bullet holes in the poster. And, you know, everybody's in them like and there's a lot that flew under that.

[00:21:50] There's this one one one you might have seen that has a key for Sutherland and Marlora Walters from Magnolia called Desert Saints. I'm sorry, say the name again. Desert Saints. No, I haven't seen that one. OK, so it's. Another hitman kind of movie, he it's very similar to the 40s noir detour.

[00:22:13] He's got he's being followed by these narcs and then he's attracting these women who he has one night stands with and has basically be his spotters. And then he dispatches them elevated above the movie material by all this other just fun stuff. But like, man, when there are backstabbings, other stuff, there is some of that moody music, you know, that has Western kind of feel. And it's very similar to his other movie he did that you reviewed, Truth or Consequences, New Mexico.

[00:22:42] And I do have fun also seeing how many other people are in this. Forrest Whitaker is in a bunch. Joe Mantegna. Dennis Leary, I saw was in a bunch. Martin Sheen, you know, is like Tony Todd, Lance Hendrickson. Yeah, they were just cranking that stuff out and then they put someone who would be somewhat of a star power so they could try to generate some info like or some money on it.

[00:23:12] One of the big ones with Truth or Consequences, New Mexico. I want to make sure I'm remembering that one right. That was with Vincent Gallo. Wasn't he in that? Yeah. Yeah. He was there. Kim Dickens. That's one wild choice because that dude is not sane. And McKelty Williamson, we find out at Midway Through, he's undercover, but he's got to let all this chaos happen. He's like, damn it, I think we have more than enough. Yeah. That whole movie's got a lot. Like there's a great scene. Like I talked about it with my friend Josh.

[00:23:42] That scene where Gallo puts the gun underneath Michael T. Williams' neck whenever he's calling. He's like, I call my mom. And it's like, whoa. Whoa. Like he does like, it's like a whole like, it's a, it's a subtle like move of insanity that you're watching. And it's like, yeah. Like he really will like, like most people when they do that, those things, they put the gun to the head, but he would put it like right under his neck. And you're like, oh, wow. Implying some subtle choice. That happened. Yeah.

[00:24:10] Just, and. Attled to it. It's even funnier just even seeing other actors who. Again, just would find actually something relevant in these movies, regardless of where their career was. You would see Mickey Rourke and Eric Roberts and a bunch of these. Oh, yeah. Mickey Rourke. Half the time you'd be like, why did Tarantino not pick these guys up? You know, he would totally get along with half these guys who he praises, but never uses.

[00:24:39] Dolph Lundgren's done some movies lately that made me wonder, man, why was he never in a bigger production where he's playing the heavy bodyguard or the narc to get a gangster? It'd be perfect. And there's one. Casper Vendian did these few different ones. He did one with Rick Fox and then he did another one called Partners. That was another HBO movie. And it's just, again, nutty heist that gets even nuttier.

[00:25:08] The more backfires. Margot Robbie did one in 2018 with Mike Myers called Terminal. Oh, yeah. I remember that one. I didn't mind it. I know it was junky and not perfect, but I was like, yeah, they're going all campy on this one. Catchpoint 44, you might like. It's kind of a wacky dog day afternoon kind of film. Adam West did one. Yes, I can't believe I'm saying that. Adam West.

[00:25:36] It was a weird one. It had a then unknown. It was called Joyride. And I used to see it on AMC a lot because it was just one of those. Oh, geez. We've got it. It's been a minute. Benicio Del Torre. Yeah. See, I have even more fun just seeing these movies and you're like, whatever happened to that film? That was the only one they had in them. And then seeing that these movies just had before they were famous actors in them as well. And I mean, you mentioned Vince Vaughn. He did his share of some of those.

[00:26:05] There's a new one out now called The Kill Room. And it just came out. I think I know that one now. Yeah. Uma Thurman, Sam Jackson, Joe Minigello. Sam Jackson, man. He's quietly becoming the Eric Roberts style actor. That's just it. Like, he's another one of those guys. Like, he's done so much. People. Same thing with William Dafoe. It's like, they don't care if it's bad anymore.

[00:26:33] They're just like, yeah, just entertain us. You know? Yeah, no. My, one of my, I made a top three list of my favorite Tarantino knockoff. So just to kind of explain a little bit more. We were talking about movies that they do a lot of genre blending. Multiple different films basically in the same type of movie.

[00:26:58] And usually there's a very rich and deep in-depth storyline that has a great soundtrack. Often it uses not so popular hits from the past or music that just sounds good or lesser known hits from major musicians. This is mainly a fan theory. This is not really anything that a professor or a film historian would have come up. It's mainly stuff that people like me or like Cam or people on Reddit have came up with.

[00:27:26] This is basically an observation, which I imagine probably in the next five years, whenever Tarantino eventually retires, it'll be a whole full-blown theory and everything. But my top three, my number three is 1997's U-Turn, directed by Oliver Stone. It's a great book. By John Ridley, based on his book, Stray Dogs. This was actually his first book and later became his first screenplay. And then he became an accomplished filmmaker in his own right. That's a good thing.

[00:27:55] It stars Sean Penn as Bobby Cooper. He's the man on the run from the Russian mob. And his car breaks down in a little no-name town and trouble a bruise. I'm glad you brought that up. He's still in natural-born killers mode with this for sure. He just... It's hard to tell who shot more footage. Was it the main camera or was it second unit? There is so much that goes on in this movie.

[00:28:25] Every time there's a character, there's at least five different cuts of something else. And it's really difficult. I couldn't imagine working on this and just having the conversation with Oliver Stone and being like, so why do you need to have a shot of her flipping her hair while she's walking on the street? I don't understand why you need to add that. But isn't it wild how... Oliver Stone just being like, add it. You know?

[00:28:48] Isn't it wild how, kind of like William Friedkin, he has confidence in it and sticks to it. And filmmakers and other filmmakers and critics, even if they don't care for it, they never accuse it of being hackery because somehow, even though it's over the top and not for everybody, it comes off as intended versus, say, some of these movies that we're going

[00:29:14] to talk about that feel more like an overblown music video that has won too many cuts. It's funny how it goes back to everything from tracking shots to shaky cam to torture in a movie. It's like how much of it keeps it serious and just over the top versus makes it snuffy or torture porn or too much.

[00:29:40] You know, it is funny how so many people do a lot of the same skill sets and styles, but they don't end up on the same shit list. You know, like Tony Scott and Antoine Fuqua never ended up on a shit list of infamous action or horror movie filmmakers versus other guys who just, you're like, ah, they got a good script, but I cannot stand the way they film or they're manipulative.

[00:30:11] And this is why I love doing this stuff because there's even so many other dark comedies I can name off. I don't think they're Tarantino, but I think they will definitely like an influence, but they definitely will appeal to the same crowd. Like I would recommend something like maybe a falling down type movie, even though that's a great movie. Yeah, I love it. Great movie. That was like one of the easy, easy, like top 20 movies of all time. Like, oh, there you go. Yeah.

[00:30:38] It's a great, great example of screenwriting as in a because of this happens because of this, this happened because this happened. And it's like a lot of the times when you're watching a movie, you'll just be like, you'll, it's just like something happens because the script says it has to happen. But it all comes back to in falling down. It's like, he just snaps because he's just had enough. And there's no movie.

[00:31:05] And he gets the bat because he has, because he needs a change for the phone booth. He gets, he gets that because he wants to call home. It's like this whole like spiral effect. And it's just like, it's one of the, one of the best movies easily, like top 20 films, I think ever. It's just, it's such a fantastic film. I remember back in the day, it was announced they were going to make a falling down too. I guess you'd call it getting up. But I don't really, I don't know where you would take that.

[00:31:35] Like how would the part two be like show it from the cops perspective, but I don't even know if that would be. Yeah. Robert DeVall retire on retires to find another psycho who he's got to talk off. I don't know. Oh gosh. I don't know. To bring it back to U-Turn. In U-Turn, Jennifer Lopez and Sean Penn, Sean Penn famously could not, did not get along with a lot of people back in the day.

[00:32:04] Had a lot to do with the fact that his dad was a big name. So he was very much felt entitled to a lot of things like that, but he was ridiculously handsome for his entire life. I'm not surprised. But he and Jennifer, Jennifer Lopez actually cried on set and begged not to do the sex scene with him. I think I did hear about that and it was out of actual respect. Neither one of them was ready for that. And it's just so funny.

[00:32:30] You would have thought with his bad boy attitude and her screw everybody else. I'm the best. They'd be perfect. Be a narcissistic match made in heaven. And he was like, no, some people are still vulnerable. And then you see him afterwards, they're like, we're glad we did it. I'm like, well, but why was this even a conversation? With U-Turn, I just like, I've always liked the storyline about the drifter that comes into town and he's stuck.

[00:32:59] And it's like, he wants to get out, but everywhere he turns, there's another brick wall. Absolutely. And before we had stuff like Land. And he devises the plan to get out. Before we had The Sopranos and Ray Donovan, we had all these guys and it's just like classic crime fashion. Everybody who's my best friend is actually going to make my life a bigger hell. Yes.

[00:33:24] And like, he's trying to get out and then he's quote unquote falling in love with Grace. But we don't know if he actually does love her or if he just wants to, he thinks that it's a great ride. And turns out she actually has implemented plans throughout the entire male population of this tiny little town. So no matter what, it was always going to be her on top. She was going to win no matter what until she didn't really quite think that at the

[00:33:54] very end that he, that, well, spoiler alert, the movie's almost 30 years old. So, you know, Sean Penn keeps the keys and then whenever he falls off the clip, she has to go get the keys, but he has just enough energy to kill her. She did not see that coming, but yeah, excellent movie. I know when it came out, this movie was hated by critics, hated by people in general, because it just didn't, no one quite understood it because like you said, it was very much in the same feelings of natural born killers.

[00:34:24] And it's like, well, natural born killers was natural born killers. You know, you can't just keep doing the same style movie over and over again. And even if you are Oliver Stone, it just didn't quite work. And I don't think that everybody, it didn't really, the average person didn't quite like it. Billy Bob Thornton, who was just famous from doing Sling Blade. He went from being super skinny to now super fat. It just like didn't work. And it's like, you know, I liked the movie. I always liked it. Because I remember I first saw it on a free HBO weekend in 1998.

[00:34:54] There you go, baby. And I was like, I loved it. I thought it was, it was so weird and so like out there. And I just loved it. It was very much at the time in the mid to late nineties when there was a lot of these drug trip movies like that people were not liking. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas is one of the biggest ones. That movie was critically hated. I remember seeing that. Yeah, totally different kind of movie, but definitely a similar kind of vibe. Like if you like a lot of these crime underworld kind of movies, you're likely going to like this one as well.

[00:35:21] And that's just the other funny trip too, is just having to explain to people is like, this was back. I mean, if you didn't want to go to the video store, movie channel is your only option. Watching the comfort of your own home, make up your own mind, which is ultimately what every movie fan wants anyway, is to make up their own mind. And I, those are some good picks. It's, I take it you've seen maybe one that you might like is Thursday. No, I've never seen it.

[00:35:51] Okay. Yeah. It's twisted. It's totally got a Roger Avery kind of style. Yeah. Mickey Rourke is in this. Aaron Atgard and Thomas Jane are also in it. It's by written and directed by Skip Woods. It's a few years before he became the go-to junkie action movie guy, you know, working for the man like on stuff like Hitman, Sabotage and Swordfish.

[00:36:19] But yeah, this is the one that got him in the door. Oh, he did the A-Team. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Talk about, talk about a movie that nobody liked. Yeah. Very divisive filmmaker. But yeah, when you watch this one, you're just like, oh my God, how's no one talked about this one? And this was kind of one of those, it was another one. It was just very disturbing at times. And, you know, a lot of these, much like Boone Knight of Saints, were never going to find an audience in the theater. They were only going to find it at the video store.

[00:36:48] And Morgan Freeman and Jamie Alexander just did one called, oh, what was it? I just looked it up. Came out a few years back. And the minute you wake up dead. And I saw a lot of people saying, yeah, this is a Fargo, Tarantino-esque thriller. I just literally did one called Double Whammy that I was always seeing like on all the movie channels.

[00:37:12] Angels Dance was one with John Belushi that definitely gave me Tarantino vibes just because it's just very distorted, very bizarre assassins with weird quirks. And there's a really bad one with Marky Mark and you want to talk ego, much like, you know, J-Lo and Sean Penn. I can't believe that I'm mentioning all three of those in the same sentence, but. We'll return after these messages.

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[00:38:37] There was this one that kind of like Go was kind of a popular one I would see on a lot of this. I love that movie. Yeah. Unlike Go, I don't think this is a good one. This one is called The Big Hit. You don't like The Big Hit? I want to love it so much. I love that movie. Bo Keem Woodbine, he finally discovers that you don't really need a woman. I was like, oh my God. He and Lou Diamond Phillips are great. It's just the movie just kind of just never really takes off for me.

[00:39:06] The whole thing is about returning King Kong lives. That one was fine. I just, one I do really love a lot is Knock Around Guys. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good one. Good choice. Sean Green. Oh, Vin Diesel before he was actually Vin Diesel, you know, the invincible egomaniac is like, this is awesome seeing him be like, I don't recommend this life for you. You got one last chance before I say screw it and stop giving you advice.

[00:39:36] You know, I'm telling you, you don't want to be in this line of work. And I, uh, luck of the draw was another one on HBO and both these have, uh, Dennis Hopper and him, but, um, another day in paradise was a crazy one with James Wood and Melanie Griffith. And I think, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it was awesome. Yes, you did. I think it was based on a book, I believe. Yeah.

[00:40:02] My friend actually, um, the person that was the, uh, guest star on our guest host on that, uh, Ryan D'Ambrough, uh, he, he wanted to read the book beforehand, but we couldn't get the schedules to work out. But then I was like, I read it and I was like, well, and I thought that was the kid from, uh, Sequest, but it turns out it was actually Pete from Mad Men. What? I know. It looks just like him. I was like, just like every one of these kids that had stringy blonde hair and big cheeks. They were just like, they were like a dime a dozen.

[00:40:32] I couldn't believe it. They're just everyone. Dime a dozen. That was a great movie. Yeah. That was a really good one. Yeah. Pool Hall Junkies was another one that would, I would say within the same. You did a great episode in that one and see Soderbergh and even Joe Carnahan, like with movies like NARC and what's the one, a billion bullets or whatever. Yeah. It's the same kind of deal where you're just seeing all these guys.

[00:40:58] It's like do very talky movies, have all these, even if you don't like the movie or buy into the whole concept and just the actors are all dedicated, great giving career worthy performances. Even if, again, even if it's not your bread and butter, it's like you got to admire the passion and it's just awesome. Just seeing them all play off each other. But yeah, Pool Hall Junkies, that was a Spike TV favorite. I was just like, whoa, okay.

[00:41:29] Christopher Walken's in the, you know, so I get that one. Pool Hall Junkies. That whole speech. I love his speech where he's just like, you ever watch one of those nature channel things where you see the lion tracking the hyenas and it's like, or the jackals. It's like this whole speech and it's like, wow. Like he really nailed it. Where did the hell this come from? Yeah. So I would get this mixed up with another movie Steven Soderbergh produced around the

[00:41:58] 2000s coming off the heels of Ocean's Eleven and Out of Sight, but not. I'm just trying to look at the name of it. It's, I think it also had Christopher Walken. Let me look it up. I'm sorry. I had my list and I thought this was on the list. But I can always mention a few, few movies just to kind of fill the void while you look that up. Oh, well, I'm one, two, three, four, five, six. Two Days in the Valley, Suicide King.

[00:42:28] Suicide King. Yeah. That was a fun one too. And Walken was on the show. That was a terrible movie. Like I don't, I don't. Really? All right. I don't like the ending, but it's fun getting there. There's so many inconsistencies. Like you're just like, I really think that it was, it was, it suffered from just a bad score. It was like, we're going to do a serious, like they wanted to do a comedy, but they want, they also wanted it to be a dark drama. And it was like, it just didn't quite add up.

[00:42:55] It was like, Hey, you're not going to say these movies are all a mixed bag and all have their share of love and bashing. So I'm not going to be surprised if one of them drove someone up the wall or had an annoying character that was too much, even by annoying standards. So the one that I is very similar to this, that I didn't think took off, but was very similar to Bull Hall Junkies is a welcome to Collinwood.

[00:43:25] Oh gosh, man. That's been a hot minute. Oh my God. Man. By the Russo brothers before they were a thing. Oh my gosh. It had Gabriel union. It had George Clooney, SI Washington, William H. Macy, Patricia Clarkson, Sam Rockwell. It's like, man. Oh my gosh. But yeah, Clooney is the safe kind of cracker guy who organizes the gang and he's in a wheelchair the whole time. And Louise Guzman. And it was always one of those.

[00:43:54] I'm like, I don't mind watching this, but I'm not really just needed a little more just build up. But I recommend everybody just check it out just because it is just so weird. Like if that makes sense. I couldn't even tell you last time I saw that movie, I was on a Louise Guzman kick for a long time. He was like in everything, like every movie. It's like you couldn't make a movie in the nineties to the mid two thousands without having him. No, he was literally in everything. He he's got more.

[00:44:23] Um, he's, he's one of the, uh, what's the name of that guy? I can't remember his name right now, but he's like, he, he's, he's the Mexican gangster in every movie ever. He's got like more credits than David Carradine. It's ridiculous. But anyways, Louise Guzman is kind of like, if it's not Trejo, I'm not sure. No, I can't remember his name. Uh, gosh, he was in, he's in everything though. But yeah. Anyways. Yeah. Every other person. Like, I think for instance, like, uh, Breaking Bad is inspired by a lot of Cohen and Tarantino,

[00:44:52] but I don't, I wouldn't call it a necessarily an effect as much as it, it's a weird movie like show that's inspired. That's a tribute to everything. I think genre wise, I guess. So, but like these movies particularly, like you do kind of get vibes of, you know, a perfect Fade to Black and then, yeah. Fade to Black. Oh my gosh. That's a good one. Good choice. Oh, well there you go. But I just mean in general, like almost all of them will have a title screen followed by

[00:45:22] a, you know, unusual plot scheme and then still keep you in suspense on this sounds like a terrible idea. How is this going to, you know, turn out? It's always wacky. Just all the kinds of actors they get on it. And I mean, kudos to anybody who was making these back in the day. Can you imagine how you would pitch this back then? It's like, especially if you were a producer who didn't care for those kinds of movies, but wanted to rein in the same kind of profit, you know?

[00:45:53] Yeah. It would have been difficult. I mean, you don't know. They're all bastards. They're all evil people. And you're going to love them. Oh, it's kind of like pitching Seinfeld. You're like, this show is about nothing. It's about nothing. It's like, how is that? That's not going to make anything. You're like, what the fuck? Ah, well, let's do a couple episodes. I mean, famously, you know, The Walking Dead, they didn't expect that to do anything. So that's why the first season was only six episodes. There you go, man. That exploded the world.

[00:46:21] And that's what's weird, too, is just it used to be if we don't, we're not going to spend any money on it or we're going to spend less if we don't think it'll make anything. But then now it's to the point where it's like, OK, so how much can we spend on it without losing anything at all, especially in a streaming world? It's I would hate to do marketing in any of these ages just because there's always oversaturation. And it's funny how you brought up some of those other actors.

[00:46:49] Are you a fan of the Wishmaster himself, Andrew Duboff? You're talking about Wishmaster the movie? Yes. You remember the main guy? He was also the bad guy in Toy Soldiers was also in stuff like 48 Hours 2, Air Force One. He had his share of everyone's wallet, like appearing in a bizarre crime or heist movie. And he'd always show up and he'd just have that shit eating grin and be like, oh, shit, someone's going to lose a finger.

[00:47:17] Um, there's one that has Rob Lowe and Joe Mantegna called For Hire. And I have for without Phil, I would see this appear in every other forum. Everyone's like, you got to see this. This is like the best David Mamet movie David Mamet never made. I'm like, OK, sold. And I see it. I'm like, this is decent, but no one can tell me where the hell it aired. You know, did it go straight to cable to go to a festival? And everyone's like, yes, I saw it there somewhere.

[00:47:48] Shadow Dancer is a bizarre one that had Lee Daniels and the Monsters Ball guys co-produced. Uh, and it was just a very uncomfortable assassin movie with Helen Mirren and Cuba Gooding. He goes on to make another one called, uh, what's it called? Uh, wrong turn at Tahoe. And it's got Miguel Foroar and it's one of those like one minute. It's like a full blown, like taken Leon, the professional type movie.

[00:48:16] Then the next minute it's like Tarantino. They they're at a broken down diner having off color humor after all their, you know, mindless killings. It's like, geez, here's a movie made by guys who love all these other crime movies. And, uh, Travolta did one recently called criminal activities that I thought was really intriguing. Jackie Earl Haley, like helmed the movie and it just was very twisted. And farewell.

[00:48:46] My love was this utter bizarre told out of chronological order that came out around the same time as memento. I'm like, was this rest in peace? Tony Todd. He left us with this movie that everyone was like one of the better reservoir dogs knockoffs called sushi girl. And it's got a very diabolical performance from Mark Hamill as the insecure crime boss calling all the shots.

[00:49:10] But once in on the action and a Michael Biehn cameo, um, gangster number one, uh, is by this one British filmmaker, uh, Paul McGillan. He's now done a lot of TV, but you might know him for his better known movie that he later went on to do called lucky number seven. Mm hmm. Yeah. And, and a lot of people, I'm always surprised how many people have seen lucky number seven. Cause when it came out, virtually no one saw it except like the DVD, you know, just guys.

[00:49:39] And I just found it funny. The people who I would have thought it's kind of like when you recommend a very twisted movie or show to certain people, you're like, and I've done this with everything from Oz to, uh, the office to Sopranos. And it's like, I'll see someone's like, you're like the last person I think would like that. And you really liked this and vice versa. I'd see someone who hated it. I'm like, yeah, but you never like anything of that sort. So, or that's atypical. And this was that kind of movie. I'm like, oh, wow.

[00:50:09] You're the guy who's a big nitpick on plot twists and don't even like these kinds of actors. And you dug it. Okay, cool. Ben Kingsley, Morgan Freeman are rival gangsters. I, I, you know, Bruce Willis is an unusual hit man in this. And then, yeah, Lucy Liu and Josh Hartnett was kind of a punching bag in the day. And this kind of made all the tough guys and tough gals leave them alone.

[00:50:37] They're like, you know, he's actually a very talented actor. He just was marketed as a poster boy, you know, a boy in store. In that, in that late nineties, early two thousands. He was a punching bag of ridicule. It was right after he did the faculty and it was like, he's a heartthrob. And it's like, he can, he's actually a decent actor. And it would be a number of years. I didn't have an issue with him. And I think 30 days of night were probably the two big ones where it was like, oh, this

[00:51:05] guy actually can do, can really act. That he was on that, uh, one demonic angels show. And then, yeah, he, uh, despite being in stuff like black Hawk down, everyone just wanted to go, Oh, wasn't he the guy who was in shit? Like, you know, Hollywood homicide. I'm like, he wasn't the reason it was bad. My God, everybody's going to do a bad movie. All I ask is that you not be the worst part of it. Now this is going to really throw you for a twist.

[00:51:33] What's a Travolta movie that you're not going to find very Travolta, uh, Tarantino like, but Forrest Whitaker is on the record as saying they really dug it because it felt very Pulp Fiction-esque. Taking of Pelham one, two, three from Russia with love. No, but from Russia with love is definitely Tarantino-ish, uh, Battlefield Earth. They're like, yeah, the way they're talking.

[00:52:01] And I'm like, I don't think they, now I don't, I, I don't, I don't disagree with that statement. Yeah. I don't get it. But now, okay. That director is apparently friends with both, you know, Roger Christian is friends with both Tarantino and his mentor, George Lucas. So he did do a movie with Dennis Lurie and Joe Mantegna called, uh, Underworld 1996, no relation to the vampire movies. And I highly recommend that one. It's very twisted and gruesome.

[00:52:30] And, uh, I think a lot of people got, uh, uncomfortable watching it because they're like, Oh, James Lurie is making jokes, but I'm not laughing. I'm like, well, here's the thing. Like, it's more funny. The more the stuff he and the other people are pointing out, that's how more diabolically funny it gets. It's not ha ha ha every minute kind of funny. And, uh, CNN liked it. So I'll just put that out there. Uh, I, I didn't mind it. I really didn't.

[00:52:57] I thought I wasn't going to like it just because it had such a bad reputation. And sure enough, I'm like, you know, this is actually kind of intriguing. Um, there's this one heist movie. Uh, there's a bunch of heist movies Sam Worthington has done before he was, you know, the blue guy from avatar. Uh, uh, there's this one from like 2005 he did. Uh, he did one, um, that was done by Tamra Davis, I believe.

[00:53:26] I think that was getting square or something. I think that was, that was, I, I interviewed Tamra Davis and, uh, she, that was, that was, that movie had like a lot of, it was a surprise, um, film, I think, because it starts out like an everyday comedy. And then it's like helicopter chases and then the bus flipping over and explosions. It's like, wow, this was, I would not think Andy Dick would be in this movie. Oh, oh, oh, I know that one. Yes.

[00:53:56] Uh, yeah. Best men. Yeah. Uh, you did that one. It had Dean Cain and a bunch of other. That's a good movie. That was a surprise film. Right. And Dave Foley, I think from kids in the hall wasn't there. Yeah, it was. And, but like you say, you're like, I'm not sure about this cast of person. Then you watch and you're like, you know, that true. Barrymore. Everybody saw something in it. It's, but this was back when you just came up with a wacky concept and it was like, can you get it done on time and have it be funny? Okay, cool.

[00:54:26] You know, you're hired. And so, yeah, the, the one with Worthington I'm thinking of is getting square. It says David Winham who plays Faramir in Lord of the Rings. It was an interesting, um, uh, just, uh, Australian, uh, heist movie where they're narrating in first person and you're wondering how they got here on the bus and everything. Um, and yeah, then he did this other one, a dirty deeds, which I think you would love

[00:54:54] a lot of good fellows, Tarantino influence, Scott, Sam Neill and John Goodman, Tony Collette. Hmm. I wish I was making this out like these movies, they were in existence. I don't even found real. It's like, you're pulling a name out of anywhere. Yeah. And Gourney Weaver. And you're like, what? Uh, yeah, there's this other one he did, uh, Fink, uh, 2005. And I think they retitled it. Yeah.

[00:55:22] That when it came to the States, they retitled it with crappy Photoshop, making it look like he's holding a bunch of guns and they call it pros and ex-cons. But I saw this in the days of rapid share in college. And it was one of those. I'm like, you know, this is nutty fun. Just two, two ex-cons informed that they have assassinated the wrong individual and they're all trapped in an office. So I love the whole George Romero style of filming where it's one location, it's all out of sequence.

[00:55:50] And the more they're trying to find the target, the harder it is for them to keep their cover. And there's all kinds of utter cahoots in the office. Really a lot of fun. Doesn't deserve its free out of 10 star rating. That's the other thing, too, that sucks, too. When you recommend these movies and everyone instantly goes on IMDb, I'm like, spoiler, they're all going to have terrible ratings. Just to let you know, they're all going to be very poorly rated.

[00:56:19] Now, please tell me you've seen The Immortals. I'm sorry. Have I seen The What? Immortals? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw that when it came out. It was like, it was like 300. Yeah, they were trying to do like 300, but it didn't really quite work out. And the guy from Vampire Diaries was in it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, not that one. The Immortals from 95 with.

[00:56:47] Oh, no, I haven't seen that one. So this was an HBO movie. It was by the infamous franchise pitchers and it had Michael Paul, William Forsythe, Tony Curtis of all people, Pantoliano, Robert's career, Clarence Williams, the third. I think I mentioned Chris Rock and I've seen a lot of people say this is like the best Tarantino movie Tarantino never made.

[00:57:13] Well, my number two pick would be the movie that Tarantino says was one of his biggest inspirations from in the last several press junkets that he's done in the last three movies. No, Love and a 45. The CM Talkington film. Oh, yes. That was made at the same time that whenever it came out right as Pulp Fiction came out.

[00:57:40] It's very similar to the Natural Born Killers script. Yes. Sam Talkington believed that his script actually was passed around and Oliver Stone had actually put cherry picked parts of his script and put it into Natural Born Killers, specifically the scene where they both cut each other's hands and they become blood related. There's a lot of similarities between Tarantino movies and Oliver Stone films from the early 90s. That's in Love and a 45.

[00:58:07] I wouldn't be surprised if someone around the time Reservoir Dogs came out passed a paper around. I mean, it's not uncommon for gangsters to do a whole blood oath kind of thing, but I know what you mean. Just the filming was, yeah. It's just it's very similar to what they do in Natural Born Killers, where they both were the two people that are in love and they cut each other's hands. And you're right. It's not it's not too crazy of an idea, but it just it seems a little bit too much to be too much of a coincidence.

[00:58:35] But Tarantino has gone on record and multiple times have said that CM Talkington is actually one of his favorite imitators. During the press junkets for Pulp Fiction and Love and a 45, Tarantino actually hand wrote a note to CM Talkington saying that he wanted that he really liked his movie and he wanted to meet with him and have drinks and talk about it. So he he's he and CM Talkington had been burned,

[00:59:05] basically hated this whole his whole Hollywood experience for 20 something years. And he met he put everything he had from love and a 45 into a box and he basically buried it in his house. And it wasn't until 2015 where he revisited everything. And he started going through it again and be like, wow, maybe I really should have, you know, kind of explored this a little bit more. But he was almost immediately hated in Hollywood because everybody saw Love and a 45

[00:59:32] and they thought this movie is just like all the Tarantino movies or these trying to be like Tarantino. This movie came out. The thing is about like with filming, especially in the 90s in the time frame that we're talking about, is that this is before the Internet was widespread. And it wasn't like you could just hop on Reddit and be like, aha, so this movie is being made. There was not really like a lot of script sharing or anything. It was basically how it was in the old days was that if you had a script,

[00:59:58] you had to go walk around and you had to go to different places and you had to hand it off physically. Correct. There was no email or anything. So he had his script that he was walking around and handing out. It wasn't like he could just go to the corner market and pick up Pulp Fiction, the script. So I've always really liked this movie. Talking about like a who's who type of thing with the actors. You have Renee Zellweger of all people. He was actually pretty hot at the time playing Starlene.

[01:00:28] It was a great name. She got it from her pal, Matthew McConaughey. He left the script around and she's like, I better applied for this movie. Yeah. And the different character names are just so solid. Like, you know, Waddy Watts. Right. The small time crook, but he has kind of like a heart of gold type of thing. Special kind of crazy, if you will. Rory Cochran, who was fresh from doing Daisy Confused, playing Billy Mac Black.

[01:00:58] You know, a lot of Linkletter movies do kind of have just like. I mean, when he first starts, you know, he and Wes Anderson get compared to, you know, Kevin Smith. But I feel I do feel like they're doing the same whole Tarantino thing where, you know, you take enough coverage and you have creative ways of framing everything. And people have an unusual item that they're trying to steal and you don't know what it is. Sometimes never do. You know, it's this.

[01:01:26] And all the criminals, again, that's pretty much when you know you're watching a Tarantino type movie is when they got just absurd names. Then you're like, yep. But in this reality, it makes sense. Yeah. Dinosaur Bob and Creepy Cody. Dinosaur Bob. Yep. Played by Jeffrey Combs, who was fresh from doing everything. Peter Fonda's in it. Yeah, it's a good movie. Yeah, I've always really enjoyed that one.

[01:01:54] I don't think it ever got its day in court, though, because of the timing when it came out. That really sucks because it was weird when it came out. There's a lot of shots that are exactly like Natural Born Killers. There's a lot of the shots of like where Waddy Watts is driving, which is very similar to Natural Born Killers. A lot of the acting is very similar. A lot of the gunfights, everything. And it really kind of blows because it was genuinely a decent film.

[01:02:18] It was one of the few films I would say that came out in this era that not only just had a good storyline, but it was well acted and really well directed. And it was on that path of being different, but it was like sidelined by Oliver Stone and Tarantino. But Tarantino, like I said, he's been talking about it in multiple different press junkets from his last three movies, saying that that was one of his favorites of that time period.

[01:02:45] Well, glad he came around to it instead of jumping on the whole, ah, fuck you. Yeah, but I mean, Tarantino, I think that it's impossible for him to say that anything that he does is original. So even he knows that different things, he's pulling inspiration from everywhere. He's just got to calm down about certain stuff. Like, I can't believe he's never wanted to watch all of Natural Born Killers. It's like, dude, just you would enjoy it.

[01:03:15] But because your name's on it, you're getting all insecure. I mean, I guess it depends on what the original script was. And I mean, we all know the director's cut is like one hour longer. So it's like, if you cut out an entire hour of a movie that's already long to begin with, the movie's like, I think two hours and the original cuts like two hours and 15 minutes or something. So it's a whole nother hour that's added to it. It's like, wow.

[01:03:37] So your original script was probably close to almost like 300 pages, which is absurd coming from somebody who has written a script. And it takes a lot. I mean, that's a lot. You've got to really want to film this. You can't just get to set one day and be like, you know, none of this matters. It's like, no, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah, we put in a lot of effort into this thing. We got locations locked. We got a lot of Teamsters involved. We can't just scrap the day there, sir.

[01:04:07] This is not a Marvel movie. We're not going to shoot that. We have billions of dollars at our disposal. Bingo. So I feel like you have, we've summed up a good chunk of them. I thought of a few other ones that like the Salton Sea, Baja with Lance Henriksen, an all-star cast and filling Minnesota, which is not a very good movie with Cam Diaz. Good God. Oh, my Lord. That's a bad one. Deep cut.

[01:04:36] Oh, my God. I'm trying to go for more like I'm trying to go for the ones that people would be able to recognize a little bit. My gosh. Like, all right. How about a girl in a blonde? A girl in a blonde. You know, I really dug that one. In fact, there's so many even bizarre ones that Roger Corman buys around 99 and 2001 that gave me Tarantino vibes just because they have that just kind of bizarre.

[01:05:02] You know, just like many of these movies you would find on USA Apple Night or TBS. They're just that kind of movie where you're just like, this is someone actually, you know, rented out a space in Atlanta or Austin or, you know, wherever. Whatever. And New Orleans and had older friends cite all this poetry and have an out of sequence.

[01:05:27] Just again, just bizarre criminal scheme and make it darkly amusing and had all these other B movie actors giving it their all. It's just there's one I think you might have talked about briefly called Hitters that has Robert Davi. But there was one with Louis Mandalore, Tim Thomerson and Rod Steiger.

[01:05:54] I can't believe I'm saying those guys all in the same movie, but suckers, I think it was called. And it was fun. Kind of these guys who run a car dealership and pull off all these other side criminal schemes. And of course, one person they one group of people they rip off happened to be some very vicious gangsters who will knock your block off. So it's it's funny how a lot of these guys.

[01:06:21] I'm never surprised when I see a bunch of comedians in these movies, too, because a lot at the end of the day, it really is just a wacky play or just. Something off color like Tarantino, to his credit, never claimed he was the first guy to come up with dark comedy. He just kind of kind of like mystery science theater, popularized spoofing infamous movies while you watch with your friends. Like he just popularized the whole.

[01:06:44] OK, so here's how plot A gets to plot B and comes around to plot C and has all the kinds of other crazy stuff just, you know, exploding in everybody's face. Yeah, I just kind of I think I think he made it cool again to be a dork. Like and I think that that that's really like what you do with True Romance, where he made the character of Claire himself. And it's just like he made being a dork cool.

[01:07:11] And it's like I don't think anybody really sat down and thought about how Fantastic Four and how the Silver Surfer actually is kind of a great character, except for a small demographic of people. And then Tarantino combined that with Chiba and it's like, wow, this is this is this is kind of cool. I like this. And he's like, I got a better idea. I'm going to crank it up a notch and we're going to make him like Elvis. And it's like, what? And now we're going to have this fight out. We're going to people who don't know the love Elvis.

[01:07:41] Yeah, no, it's just like, yeah, it's just that's how you do it. You got to surprise everybody and then show that you're not playing around. You're going to keep surprising them. Great, great movie all around. I've always been a big fan of True Romance. I just always felt that it was not like underappreciated, but I think that like it was I felt like it was underwatched only because people didn't really quite understand how to take it. And it wasn't like a huge hit when it came out.

[01:08:10] But it's like a lot of audience. Like, I mean, that's usually what happens. It defines its audience after a while. With streaming and everything, I mean, everything finds its audience eventually. I mean, I go on Tubi nonstop just like just watching movies. It's just like I wouldn't think that anybody would want to watch half the crap that I do. And it's like somehow it's still making money. So that's what I love, too. And.

[01:08:39] My number one favorite Tarantino knockoff or Tarantino heavily inspired. Film is not just inspired heavily by Tarantino, but Sam Peckinpah. Of course, talking about the 2000 classic film that made absolutely zero money, crippling the writer director's career for a number of years. Oh, Lord. I think I know. Yeah. You shout them out when you know the way of the gun.

[01:09:08] Oh, I didn't expect that one. But I do love that one. And you have talked about ones like that because it's. I don't know, man, people are just. Afraid to. Again, it's just so funny how. Sometimes you would see people who are who love. Tarantino, but were afraid to admit they liked other stuff. It's like it's not like a saint again. It's not like this is an admission that you will relate to being a criminal. You just like the movie. God.

[01:09:38] And you see it all the time. Excellent film. I've always loved this movie. I remember watching this about when it came out. Because I remember when it came out, audiences didn't really know how to take it because Ryan Phillippe was really trying to get away from that image. Same deal. Being kind of like the actor. The pretty. Yeah. The pretty boy actor. He was really trying to break away from that. And him playing Mr. Parker is just like this grisly, ruthless dude. And it just it works so well.

[01:10:07] It's wild how Walter Hill would get away with the same stuff. And sometimes audiences wouldn't get it. It's like he is channeling pulp movies, pulp comics. Excellent. I've always loved this movie. I just think it's just fantastic. Like the dialogue, the acting, the very off putting of everything. Like Nicky Katz character and Tate Diggs. Both of those guys are very. James Caan is having a blast. Once he gets the shotgun. He's like, oh, you guys are going down. But yeah.

[01:10:35] Without this, you do not have Christopher McQuarrie. He's now an A-lister. But you know. He is now. I know. It killed his career. But I mean. Because he just did the usual suspects. And he's like, yeah, I'm going to do awesome. And he's like, I got the way of the gun. It's like Sam Peck and Paul. Roger Ebert liked it. But again, he was always going to like stuff like that. I think Rupert or whoever was with him hated it. I'm like, are you kidding me right now? You love stuff like this. Why is this any different? You know, it's just funny.

[01:11:04] You know, it's just half the time you wonder if people are in a bad mood or just. I don't know. On their high horse. Yeah. No, I mean, that's fair. I think that just like if you were in a certain mood and went to go see the way of the gun, it probably wouldn't help you out because it's like it starts off. And I think that like you as an audience member, you're kind of like this. This seems like it would be a comedy. And then it's like, boom, they punch Sarah Silverman in the face. And you're like, I don't like that. The music.

[01:11:33] It was just not, I guess you'd say, very friendly for the average audience member. Not very like appealing music to the average person sitting there watching it. And then you just amplify that with the very dark, dark undertones of everything. And you're not really quite sure if you really like the Chittix. Like the Chittix are using this woman, Juliette Lewis, to carry their baby. But at the same time, they're not like being nice to her.

[01:12:02] Like they're catering to her. But it's also like you don't know if you like them or not. Like is this baby even like, is this good? Like you're thinking about the future going like, I don't think this baby is going to have a very good future. So really kind of grind it into that. That's the fun of it too. It's like sometimes when you see all this other stuff, you'll see people phrasing it. And then another time saying, oh, you know, I don't know about this or that.

[01:12:32] And I'm like, well, it's not too different from this one gripping character study. You know, you watch in the evenings. It's like you got to just somehow, I mean, justify is a good example. It's Elmore. I see people going, oh, it reminds me of Tarantino. I'm like, well, it's based on Elmore Leonard's short story. And they were echoing his style. They even have appearances by characters in all his adaptations. But it's just funny how I can get people to watch that.

[01:13:02] But they might not necessarily be into a Pulp Fiction type. Yeah, no, I understand that. Like eventually, I mean, some people may not like that whole Pulp Fiction feel and the Tarantino effect. Because I guess, I mean, those movies are 30 years old. It's terrible to say that out loud. But they're like 30 years old at this point. So to some audiences, the younger audiences, it's crazy to say somebody who would be 25 is a lot younger than me. But that's true.

[01:13:30] It would seem very off-putting and dated. It's kind of like whenever I was a kid growing up and watching Artie Murphy movies. But that wasn't true because Artie Murphy was still pretty cool whenever I was a kid. Yeah, that's the other thing too. It's just like when people say back in my day, you know, it's cliche and kind of shitty now.

[01:13:55] But when you actually said that, it's like you were really honestly just trying to make a point. It's like, yeah, when I saw this, you know, this was cool shit. And now people, I'm not saying it's bad to feel obliged to criticize everything. You should be able to look at something objective.

[01:14:16] But I think people now just like to just talk all kinds of stuff just for the hell of it. Yeah. I mean, it's just to try to like to make it to kind of like further throw it out there. Maybe people might want to say they didn't like it just because everybody else seems to like it. But I mean, the movies that we were talking about, the fact is that they're all got sharp writing. They got great character depth.

[01:14:46] All of them have great soundtracks. I mean, they made an impression because you can't compare them to just any character. Exactly. And on the score of on the side of soundtracks, they're timeless. Like it really is like if you listen to like Pulp Fiction or Reservoir Dogs or Jackie Brown, any of those soundtracks, for example, you pop that CD in now. Oh, I hate things like that being like pop the CD in and then saying like look up on Spotify. Okay. In case you case them. Yeah.

[01:15:18] That's all, folks. And that was my thought. Son of a bitch. If you play the CD now and you listen to Strawberry Letter 23, you're like, hey, this is cool. I know what this is. Or you listen to any of the soundtrack to Pulp Fiction or listen to Inglourious Bastards. Even that's got a cool score in soundtrack.

[01:15:46] It's just that feeling of it. And it made those who weren't in the know want to check out all those oldies, those B-sides. Those guys are like, ah, they're not in the classic rock set, but they are good. They were getting radio play back in the day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Little Green Bag. Was that known to anyone outside of the 70s before Reservoir Dogs made it a popular?

[01:16:10] I have to admit, I think the only song was Hooked on a Feeling, which was that was probably the most popular song that was on that soundtrack. And that was like because of Ally McBeal. Oh, yeah. Other than that. Now that Guardians has done it. Yeah. It's. Uh-huh. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Because they did. But yeah, Ally did the dancing baby with that. Exactly. And that's one of the scenes that no one remembers the show other than that. Everyone was nutty and cute. And then they're like, oh, yeah.

[01:16:39] And then there was that one episode about motherhood and being independent and the dancing baby. So it is funny how just people will tuck away certain stuff. I mean, it's kind of like how. People will. It's not that they. It's like something shell shocked you in a good way, like you. It hits you over the head so good. It's hard to find any stuff to ridicule anymore. They're like, it just worked. So it's just funny how when you see people wanting to find holes in Back to the Future and

[01:17:08] it's like, this is the wrong kind of movie to pick apart. And then you see other stuff like 48 Hours where everyone remembers the funny stuff. No one remembers that the first 40 minutes are like, you're a gritty cop movie. Yeah. Demented killers. You know, it's not that violent. It's you've seen way worse on primetime TV. It's just that it's so intense and emotional. It feels more intense than it actually is.

[01:17:34] And it's just the guys playing the vicious robbers are just so good. So then, yeah. One. And also, that's a perfect example of a movie that shouldn't have worked. You have a studio and a writer who want to inject more comedy and a director who wanted to make a straight face, you know, buddy movie, but serious. And so somehow they made it work. It wasn't just in the editing room. They spoke enough. They compromised enough. They made a hit movie.

[01:18:01] And it's just funny how, in this case, these guys are working in their own backyard with their friends who have to be very talented B-movie actors. And yeah, I mean, anybody can come up with a pulp story or a nutty concept involving hired guns and, yeah, kidnapped women. And I mean, you mentioned a bunch of it on Devil's Rejects. It's like escaped killers who we shouldn't feel sorry for but find kind of interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. None of this should work.

[01:18:31] But when any of these make an impact, you know, you do remember these movies like, oh, what was that weird movie where so-and-so played like a wedding venue planner? And it turned out there was a mobster who they were setting a wedding up for and they fall in love with the daughter. And it's just, it's funny how you just would get involved with some of these different kinds of movies where you're like, hey, it probably wasn't any good, but I saw it a bunch. Or it was funny.

[01:19:01] Or it was just crazy. You should see it. I don't know where you can find it now. And so I do like how Stream has kind of become the new blockbuster because half the time you'd be like, that looks good, but I don't think I want to, you know, spend my hard-earned cash on that. It might be too stupid. It might be as bad as the critics say. I mean, before we go, there's one last one I'll throw out. Actually, two. I lied. Three. Lied again. You should check it out there. Oh, seven, actually.

[01:19:31] It's a different odd number. So there's this one called Crime Spree with Harvey Keitel. Decent movie. No one really remembers it other than being just fun and easy and laid back. But it was just one of those, my brother, each time we were at the video store, he won't even remember the story. We would see it and be like, that looks fucking stupid and funny. I want to get it. Too bad we can't get an R-rated movie. And it was just like, it's not that they're bad robbers. They're just not very bright.

[01:20:02] Slogan like that. And with Harvey Keitel, you know, tape over his mouth being like, don't torture me. And it's just like, this looks like a funny movie. It's probably bad, but I want to see it so bad. And I see it years later in college and it's really fun. Then there was this other one called Devious Beings that has a great grunge rock soundtrack and stars Gerald Baldy from Babylon 5. And again, no one's ever seen this fucking movie, but it's not bad. And it's got some festival accolades on the cover, so it can't be that bad.

[01:20:30] But then there's one that no one talks about that everybody should see that has Greg Kinnear and Pierce Brosnan called The Matador. Hmm. Hmm. And it's just kind of one of those movies. Like, if you like stuff like Rose Point Blank or a Pulp Fiction type movie, it's going to be up your alleyway. It's just. But the trailer was funny, but it wasn't the kind of comedy that was in there. It was more kind of office stuff and political stuff and coming of age kind of humor.

[01:21:00] But you watch it and they took like the dumbest part out of the whole thing where Pierce Brosnan is walking in shorts outwardly through a bowling alley. It's like, no, this is not Big Lebowski. This is a more of a Tarantino type comedy. And it's just so funny. Again, I think to your earlier points, it really does all come to the marketing. And you don't know how many of them were just they didn't know how to market it versus the Weinsteins who just had all the power in the world and bought out every festival is like.

[01:21:30] Or just kind of like music, people were getting tired of it, yet they were going and complaining at them anyway. So it's just like, I don't know, man. Bygones got to be bygones. And. I mean, I see people who I will find movies that they like, they would probably like all the time, but they won't give it the time of day because they hate the Photoshop poster or the description or rating on IMDb. I'm like, just watch it. Get high. Get a beer. Watch it.

[01:22:01] Hmm. I remember watching the Matador when it came out, but. It's not on TV that much. I remember watching this. I was like, I was 22, I think, whenever I saw it. So I'm glad to see that it's streaming on Pluto. Oh, sweet. So I'll definitely be able to check that out. Just to add now, now that you've kicked out three of those, it just jogged my memory to add one. It was a 90s.

[01:22:29] It was a 90s Canadian Tarantino style film called Booze Can. If you can find that anywhere, watch it. It's very much a very booze can. I don't even know if it has an IMDb. Oh, it does. It was. 94. I found this. I found this whenever I was at the Goodwill and it was a cassette. It's never been released on as far as I know.

[01:22:59] I have a VHS of it. Justin Lewis before he was a hit Canadian actor. Yeah. Yeah. I did hear about this. It's definitely right up there. It took me a few times to watch it because I kept having to do more things, but I was like, oh my gosh. It's literally something straight out of a Tarantino movie. It's a Canadian Tarantino. I think you guys reviewed it and I looked it up and I was like, oh yeah, I have heard of this movie.

[01:23:28] This is still one of the movies I need to get, but I haven't gotten yet. DVD Lady has been a good selection. I find true TV movies also for just those rare kinds of movies that were on cable or were on VHS, but never got an actual DVD release or out of print. So I'm telling you guys. There's a lot of them. You didn't hear it from me, but there's, there's definitely a lot.

[01:23:52] And I, I strongly recommend everybody to go to the Goodwill and you can find these old, you'll find a Cartoon Blu-ray. You'll find a lot of these movies that were, that were released on VHS and they, well, in the beginning days of the DVD craze, they were literally just ripping VHS and putting them on DVDs and selling them for like five, 10 bucks. And everybody was like, it's a DVD. But it really wasn't. I have a few of them still left over. I have this Lou Ferrigno action movie.

[01:24:21] Oh, is it Cage? Ah, that sounds right. I think that's what it is. I did. I, that was one of the ones I also had a Richard Pryor Vietnam movie. I wound up getting rid of that though, but there's like tons of these movies that were released on that were just basically a VHS rip and they just put it on a DVD and they would sell it. And then I guess you probably can't really find those to buy anymore, but there was bajillions of them. It's so weird when you see the tracking at the top of the screen. Yes.

[01:24:50] I, my, my original copy of a children shouldn't play with dead things was like that. And I gave it to a friend of mine because we swapped movies. He gave me the battery, which is an excellent zombie movie. If you haven't seen it. Yes. And we, we switched, we swapped movies and I was like, Oh, nice. Like, but I mean, I wound up getting children shouldn't play with dead things, Blu-ray anyway. So it doesn't matter. But that was, that was during the heydays of just ripping a VHS, putting it on a DVD, calling it a day.

[01:25:22] Essentially. Yeah. Yeah. Is that it? Are we good? I, I, I think, I think you nailed it all in the head. Uh, where can we find classic American movies? I always have a fun time. You always have some fun interviewers. You've had some people I know personally, like Sean Wright on. Hi, Sean. Um, yeah, Sean, he was great. I loved having him on, uh, a friend of mine. He was a friend of a friend. Uh, he had, Sean had posted on his Facebook about how he was just trying to get the word

[01:25:51] out about face melt features. And I was, and my friend tagged me in it. And, uh, I, he was like, he was like, you know, just talk to him. See if you want to bring him on your show. And I was like, why not? Like, why not? And I mean, he was cool. I liked watching his movie because it was like, I felt like I was like, he recorded basically with everybody that I grew up with, which I just thought was hilarious. And I was like, this is brilliant. I was like, it's so great. And I instantly got what he was doing. Like he was just making movies to make movies.

[01:26:19] He was just, he wasn't trying to be like the next big thing. It was just, just getting out there. And I loved it. I was like, cool, man, more power to you. Keep doing what you're doing. I love it. Um, but the podcast, uh, I, if you don't mind, I'd like to promote my own movie that I'm, I'm, I'm making. Oh yeah. I've been, I haven't really been mentioning it that much. Because, uh, well, just to give you a little bit back history.

[01:26:43] Um, I do work in the film industry, uh, and during the, the writer strikes, uh, that, that, uh, happened, it kind of rocked all of us, uh, across the board. I I'm an AD, uh, which is an assistant director. And it really like during the writer strikes, it really just kind of devastated all of us. And we really didn't, you know, we couldn't really work. So, uh, I kind of took that as like a sign that I've always wanted to make a slasher film because I love slasher movies.

[01:27:12] I love ultra low budget, uh, slasher films. So I just kind of, I kind of sat down and I watched from my collection. I have about 250 of them and I sat down and I watched them all. And then I started cherry picking ideas from various different ones. And I started figuring out like a calculation, uh, format that was like, what makes these ones the more, the more, the ones that people remember? Why do you remember Friday the 13th, but you don't remember Mad Men? Uh, you know, so on and so on.

[01:27:38] And I started calculating all the different things that made these movies, the law, the lot, the lasting power. So I made a slasher script and I based it on all the movies that I love so much, the slasher genre from the 1970s to the 1980s. And I call it was the best times. Uh, and I. Correction. It was the best.

[01:28:02] Uh, so I, I, I put it all together and I came up with a slasher film, uh, that's based in a college town that is about the most loved barber in the town who was killed for giving the star football player, bad haircut. And then 20 years later, they celebrate the life of this man and this thing called Bishop's day where he was, his name was Mr. Bishop.

[01:28:27] And for the last, uh, 10 years or so, 20 years after the man dies 10 years, I found that that would, that would seem to be the rough number that in every slasher film is that somebody significant dies. And then it's 10 years later, or that, that seems to be around the, not the, the figure, the, the, the timeframe. Sometimes a little more, sometimes a little less, but 10 years is generally around that timeframe. And then they start celebrating or reopening the area.

[01:28:54] And that's what, that's what I based my script on. It's called Bishop's day. So it's Mr. Bishop. They celebrate his life and the thing called Bishop's day, uh, Oh, to bring it back a little bit to that is that the ones that had those slasher films that take place in a very specific time or a very specific place also had the most longevity, uh, Halloween, Friday the 13th nightmare on Elm street.

[01:29:19] They all seem to have a very specific time or a very specific place that they all happened around. Uh, so I had to, I was like, well, holidays always seem to be the big hits. So I created my own holiday, which is Bishop's day. My own holiday. So they all, the town dresses up like Mr. Bishop. Uh, they have barbershop quartets. Uh, you have, you know, people just dressing up like barbers and they celebrate his life

[01:29:46] and they have a thing called the bad barber cut where kids get their heads shaved and different things. And then they, uh, whoever has the worst haircut, they put them all on display and whoever wins, you know, $200 or whatever. And it takes place in this college town. Uh, the, uh, the kids are missing and it's all seem to be centered around these group of co-eds and it's like, are they in on it? Do they know something that everybody else doesn't know?

[01:30:13] And I wrote it in the same vein as Friday the 13th scream in Valentine. And it has gruesome deaths and it has, uh, you know, the same dialogue in that order, all these slasher films. Uh, I have, I, we made a proof of concept about it, which, uh, proof of concepts are either a trailer or they are short films. We made a short film, which is basically the opening of my script. I just had to change it for the location and we're in the process right now of editing it. We still were tomorrow.

[01:30:43] I'm going to work on the sound. Oh no, sorry. On Wednesday, uh, two days from now, I'm going to work on the sound of it. So we're going to record the sound effects and then we'll color correct it. My friend of mine, who's a composer, he's doing the score right now. So hopefully, um, you know, a couple months from now, I'll have something and I can send it to you. That's called Bishop's day. And you can go find that on, uh, Instagram. We're posting updates regularly.

[01:31:08] Uh, my podcast, classic American movies, uh, excuse me, as you were saying, uh, you're getting stabbed in the back there. Yeah. As, as I'm being killed, uh, classic American movies. Um, it's available everywhere. You can get podcasts, um, Spotify, Spreaker. And, uh, basically the show is kind of like what you said. Uh, I have interviews.

[01:31:36] We talk to people, um, and we just talk about movies on the next episode. I'm not sure when this episode is going to be dropped, but the next episode that I'm sorry. Soon. Oh, okay. Um, so the next episode I'm going to be dropping will be my Christmas episode. And that will have, um, Matt from mad blood. If you've ever gotten a chance to watch his, his show, you'll love it. Fantastic.

[01:32:05] Um, YouTube show. I haven't seen that one. Really smart. He's great. Oh, watch it. Oh, watch it. He's great. Matt, Matt from mad blood. Heck of a nice guy. Uh, I had him on and we basically ranked our top three favorite Christmas movies. And it wasn't just horror specific. Uh, he does a very horror heavy show, but he's starting to do a lot more than just horror films. And I just brought him on and said, let's just talk about our favorite, um, Christmas movies. And then we did a little bit of research on it.

[01:32:34] So that way, you know, it, it was a research heavy, not, not, not such a research heavy, sorry. More like you learn a little bit, but at the same time you get to hear us talking about movies. Instead of just endless praise, but not no direction to reference. You know, it's all exactly. You guys are very keen on just describing just you already live and breathe film. So I never feel like anybody's going to have trouble getting into it or just be relying on going to the Wikipedia page.

[01:33:04] You guys are very candid and I always enjoy it. Thank you very much. Yeah. Uh, I try to make it as, as information heavy as possible. Um, you know, Tarantino does the same thing on his podcast. Yes. And she's Louise. Like when he did the one on straw, uh, straw dogs and they went for 20 minutes just talking about the ink on the box. I was like, what, what else would you expect him? He likes the little devil in the details. He likes.

[01:33:34] It's a great, great podcast, but, um, yeah. I guess that's, that's about it. This is great. Yep. You rocked it, homie. All right. Roll tide. Yeah. Uh, feel free to invite me as a collaborator on Instagram. That way I can just auto share this episode. You got it. Right. Yeah. And, uh, like I said, classic American movies, check it out. Bishop's day.

[01:34:00] Hopefully I'll have something to show everybody here, uh, in a couple months. I'm coming for you. Tumtum. Follow us on the web on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. The podcast is available on Podbean, Spotify, iHeartRadio, Anchor, Apple, and anywhere else podcasts are available.

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