Classic Comedy Week: The Best Moments of The Office (with Disc-Connected’s Ryan Verrill!)

[00:00:30] I'm no slouch this is nothing new. I got a new and improved awesome podcast guest.

[00:00:52] Welcome Ryan Varrell from Disc Connected.

[00:00:57] Thank you. Yeah, it's a tough name for some people because of the double C in the middle.

[00:01:03] I was sitting in boulders just trying to figure out how do I press into it.

[00:01:11] Just go for it. Wing it. What am I afraid of?

[00:01:17] It could be worse.

[00:01:19] Right. It's not like I don't know the mob, 5000.

[00:01:25] Yeah, so we were just talking back and forth. We could chat about these different sitcoms, music bands and everything.

[00:01:32] I was like, let's hit it. Let's do it.

[00:01:34] The office, the one and the only UK and US, but primarily the US show just came up and was like, yeah, there's plenty to lean into on that.

[00:01:45] We already did an awesome episode on it, but it doesn't mean we can't revisit our moments. I mean, it's on TV every day.

[00:01:51] Every other network is for it. Every other streaming platform has it.

[00:01:56] People sign up to pick up just to see the on cut like fan editions where there's like deleted scenes put back into select episodes.

[00:02:04] Yeah, it's good stuff. It might as well still be on.

[00:02:09] Well, I mean, it's one of the best comedies of all time and then on top of that it was, you know, such a mainstay was on for nine years and it was done through a time where we had that big like must see TV Thursday and

[00:02:20] yeah, a lot of people that weren't watching live during those days will not understand how heavy Thursday's hit back then. I mean, the office parks and rec community 30 rock you couldn't beat that those are literally four of the best comedy shows of all time back to back to back to back.

[00:02:39] A thousand percent. Have you listened to any of the Kevin actors? The office deep dive.

[00:02:46] Yeah, one or two. It's it's just there's so much that you can get into surrounding the zeitgeist of these it's hard to like eat all the pop culture.

[00:02:55] The fact that it took off because like they leaned into the internet at the time let's have some webisode on NBC let's have a Christmas special you can watch for free on Apple and now we're seeing Mindy Kailin rain Wilson say hey you know we are

[00:03:09] going to make it into our career to this we don't think we can make it nowadays I think they're kind of right and I don't think that's necessarily they're leaning into the political correctness I think they're just more

[00:03:20] where I would come from in that I would say people are a little still more urgent.

[00:03:27] They're not just friends but they're urgent in what they want to see. So they're a little more impatient. So unless it's something quick like a college humor or YouTube video they're often going to shit on your new sitcom but it's weird because a lot of

[00:03:42] today's comedy does owe a lot to this kind of mockumentary style I mean take away the cameras there's still just some wacky just back and forth that you're just like I hope no one ever has to be in a toxic workplace like this.

[00:03:56] Half the comedy that you find on Tik Tok nowadays or YouTube shorts or anything like that is cringe comedy which the office is kind of the one that set the bar for how we can do this in a way that is genuinely funny it doesn't affect any like real people in any

[00:04:13] awkward ways and unfortunately the Tik Tok trends are leaning towards let's let's prank people in ways they're just not funny and mean a lot of times and call that cringe comedy and it doesn't work.

[00:04:23] But yeah of course you got the I think you should leave on Netflix that that's probably the biggest thing that it's taking cringe comedy to the extreme and it's fantastic.

[00:04:33] I keep hearing about that one so that's the one with Tim Robinson Matt Knudsen San Richardson. Yep. Okay, I will. It's amazing.

[00:04:42] Okay, I will have to check this out. Wow. Oh man, so this is still going on.

[00:04:51] Wow. Okay, I think I don't know why I thought this was a movie. I kept hearing his name.

[00:05:00] I think just in May or June put up their third season and the coolest thing is for those people those short attention spans like you brought up. They're very short it's I don't think any of them even have eight episodes and each episodes less than like 20 minutes.

[00:05:14] This is really good at being 20 minutes and half the time you won't realize that even nowadays even with older sitcoms to be like, oh that's right it was less than half an hour because you had to put 40 minutes of ads.

[00:05:31] Well, and I was just telling you about animal control before we were off air and that same yeah that's like, barely even 20 minutes. Yeah, this quick into the point.

[00:05:40] Every other characters a douchebag or asshole who's trying to find purpose in their life and they're kind of having their comfort zone and then of course it hits the fan you're like something's burning in the heart.

[00:05:50] It breaks the tension and then you're like, oh, I totally am forgetting where we were going along for the ride.

[00:06:00] Man, so this is interesting too in that we everyone has their favorite character you can't even choose just one and it would be boring if you had to pick like one or two who's like the main honcho but now I don't think even everyone realizes that half the time is like yeah.

[00:06:21] Everything's going where it's going.

[00:06:24] It's true and there's so much going on. I mean even season to season the characters have changed so much especially on this show.

[00:06:31] You know not only are we adding and taking away characters but you know Kelly Kapoor in season one is not the same as Kelly Kapoor in season four.

[00:06:39] Not the same as Kelly Kapoor in season nine. They're very, very different.

[00:06:46] And I think that's just it because everyone's gone on to big careers.

[00:06:52] Rainn Wilson has a mental health podcast, you know, Mindy is always doing something but Oscar Nunes was on People of Earth.

[00:07:00] Everywhere they go I absolutely am just like, hmm.

[00:07:06] It's like I don't know how I miss that kind of form of their comedy because I think we were just when we're in first out we were focusing on like the first three people Jim Pam and Steve Carell's you know Michael and yeah obviously rain was playing into the camera the most and

[00:07:23] you know Tim Rob not Tim Robinson Craig Robinson was interesting in that he's just yeah he would probably have the most just like shameless like remarks.

[00:07:36] He's like the only one finding time to have a party at the place I've lost track of how much like, like the garage and like distribution place flat out is like a hot dog cooking place after time.

[00:07:50] But that's the thing the first few season a lot of people don't remember we barely saw the warehouse hardly at all. And every time you know where to go there.

[00:07:59] Every time you went down there Craig Robinson stole the camera he was somebody that you know you had to be just stuck to him because he was funny as hell. He had this magnetic personality and then the writer saw that they went well, we got to find a way to get him into the

[00:08:13] rest of the show. And suddenly he's promoted and he's up in the office with the rest of them so it's great.

[00:08:17] Right. Everybody wins.

[00:08:20] And it is kind of also enlightening he's just kind of think to yourself is like this was almost always on the verge of getting canceled, like multiple times people didn't think it was funny, or they didn't know what to make of it.

[00:08:34] You're like, Hey, there's no left track.

[00:08:36] Well and unfortunately that's sort of what a lot of people that are innovative, not even just in comedy but in all forms of entertainment have to deal with the simple.

[00:08:45] They have to surrender. So then everyone's like, Why do they look angry? Well, because they're kind of doing something you don't really want to do and they haven't gotten any feedback.

[00:08:55] And a lot of the same sort of feedback has been given to Apple over the years just as a tech company that it's the idea of will give you something that you don't know you need and then by the time that you know you need you'll need it will be here waiting for

[00:09:07] you.

[00:09:08] And then, personally with entertainment. Some of those times you're not there able to be waiting because you get canceled early. Oh yeah, and then followed by, like you say even more rejection and it kind of took their piracy where they like we secretly want you to still

[00:09:24] it because that tells us it's in high demand we can up the price.

[00:09:29] What a dark period have to kind of go through.

[00:09:34] One of the shows that you know stuck on one or two seasons that could have gone for nine like, like the office did. They can still be on yeah.

[00:09:44] I mean one of my favorite workplace comedies of all time was better off Ted and we got lucky to get two seasons of that one and unfortunately that one was so far ahead of its time that it, it only got to because it was forced

[00:09:55] basically by the creators to get to and by the end of the second season they couldn't justify because nobody was watching it and then finally through streaming all kinds of people discovered that show and love it.

[00:10:05] It's on Hulu I think ABC still.

[00:10:08] That's a good call and kudos.

[00:10:11] His name always escapes me but kudos to that creator he also was the head guy on Andy Richter controls the universe.

[00:10:20] Yep, you can find every episode on YouTube without the, it got a DVD release of both Andy Richter sitcoms but difference was they had to change some music but just kind of takes away from some of the fun.

[00:10:31] But of course, at least those had special features but yeah I'm sure every other comedian and you know just person has just been to the point where they're like,

[00:10:40] what do I have to say differently to just, you know, get a meaning underway.

[00:10:46] Right.

[00:10:48] Yes, not easy out there.

[00:10:49] No, still not getting easy.

[00:10:55] But, I mean even the shows that are been on TV for multiple years. I mean New Amsterdam was a hospital show and it just ended but it was interesting and how it kind of did this whole saying elsewhere kind of deal where people weren't even sure what was happening and

[00:11:09] the surprises kind of kept making people lean into it I mean there are several times where I would watch an episode and I'd be like, that really moved me.

[00:11:17] And I'm not one typically for hospital shows that gets so big.

[00:11:22] I mean, the surprises are pretty much about and kind of what you just need in anything now if you just want to stand out and cruise to these guys like they just went for it like they like the first episode few episodes.

[00:11:34] I mean, I knew it had made its significant point when I was in an economics class in my first year college playing the diversity day episode.

[00:11:46] I was like, I'm not to act on a workplace and I was like, see, this is awesome. This is the whose line effect like how to do in private.

[00:11:53] And there are several moments where especially in those earlier scenes where I noticed that where Michael will just be like just right to be like, you want to be like a true carry or Ryan styles and who's long that show is amazing but I all.

[00:12:06] I, ironically, I will always encounter that episode at least once a year like it's on TV probably the most I just there's certain episodes of shows that you will just keep encountering and I keep encountering that one but I, I just got fog as I'm like yeah if he's watching

[00:12:21] who's lying he definitely doesn't know why it's funny he's just kind of just going along for the right being his demented so it seems to be the case quite often.

[00:12:31] What do you think of how James Spader replaces him and he's basically still an Alan shore from Boston legal moments.

[00:12:38] You know, I didn't hate it and that's, you know, primarily because I really loved Spader back in the 80s and 90s right back in the late 80s and early 90s he more often than not was kind of like this cool like sexy villain in most of his films.

[00:12:54] And he obviously went full bore into that reputation for the office and it was, it was taken up that night.

[00:13:01] Here's a method actor.

[00:13:02] Oh yeah, it took it up that notch because we just freaking weird at the same time I mean the you know call me the lizard king type of lines that he's delivering it just you don't know what to expect with the character like that so it's, it's

[00:13:15] I think that I think it delivered well for when we needed an interesting transition is certainly left an interesting hole when Michael Scott left of course but yeah he was formidable in a spot.

[00:13:30] Nice.

[00:13:34] That is awesome because yeah and

[00:13:39] everyone else. I mean, I see some people who don't really care for all the show ends but they'll still watch it anyway because I mean there's still just hysterical moments there. I mean, right and I got at least applied anyone who wanted to just try something new instead of

[00:13:56] hanging on by just the reins and just be like I guess we're falling apart slowly but surely like at least there's all these other guys who are trying to be bought I mean I still got thought the one where it's like everyone's trying out and will furl like those a basketball like hoop and

[00:14:14] I know it's like they're like, oh looks fatal but apparently in a deleted scene they were build as character actually got like a head trauma and died or something.

[00:14:24] Just doing the stupidest thing like and Jim Carrey and Ray Romano trying out and they're seeing they literally like saying nothing in their like job interview.

[00:14:36] And they're still thinking they're still feeling optimistic and you're like see this. This is why I think we latch onto this everyone's encountered someone who's been this clueless and made them uncomfortable.

[00:14:49] I didn't really think any of it was bad until that last season even then full episodes were never really bad bad there was just a lot of stuff that was irritating because they took the characters and took what made us all like them for for previous seasons they were completely different people in that final season.

[00:15:07] Oh yeah.

[00:15:08] The last episode brought it together but I mean everything else. God they made a mess of it.

[00:15:13] Pretty much.

[00:15:15] I've lost track of how many times I've seen the one where it's like, twice like trying to rediscover like his family and it's like it's even more uncomfortable you're like my God.

[00:15:27] That's that cringe for you.

[00:15:29] Yeah.

[00:15:32] I've seen it I think too many times where I think I would skip it now.

[00:15:38] Yeah, it's just like with any movie if you've seen it today that's like that.

[00:15:43] Or if you've tasted a chocolate bar that's so delicious like the last 50 times there's no need to read taste it.

[00:15:50] Right right.

[00:15:51] Oh man.

[00:15:53] Oh,

[00:15:56] but

[00:15:57] so we can get into this like some other select moments I wonder some other running gags that

[00:16:02] like if you were to introduce someone to the show like that would be like the runner up if you did a compilation video.

[00:16:09] Man compilation video. The first thing I think to really get somebody sold on the office is the cold opens the the number of things where you are not prepared for what the episode is going to be.

[00:16:21] It starts off and it's something ludicrous like the parkour episode or the parkour cold open.

[00:16:29] The there's just some some crazy ones like my favorite one of all time probably is when rain Wilson pretends for the office that it's on fire, and the higher place goes batshit and saying I mean Stanley almost has a

[00:16:46] second heart attack. Angel is throwing a cat up into the ceiling. There's people running around they're throwing copiers at the door, like it is the most insane over the top cringe and you're like this guy is an idiot for doing all this but

[00:17:01] everything is so like screwball comedy funny through everything because they all believe it. And that's the thing as they're in that situation the actors are so good in this that you can tell they actually think this is happening that there is fire.

[00:17:16] Love love love the cold opens. Um, gosh, the the other cold open that really always got to me was Asian Jim.

[00:17:26] Yes, especially in the, what was it a

[00:17:34] the operation midnight. It's like a spy.

[00:17:38] Yeah, but yeah, the various Asian conferences I don't think you can do nowadays because

[00:17:47] even though it was kind of like the community episode where Chang is in blackface and oblivious to how offensive that is I think it's the same way like even though you're making fun of something uncomfortable and awful it still would be a little just

[00:18:01] I don't know people are more likely to just

[00:18:06] look at you rather than listen to you at first you have so many barriers to cut down.

[00:18:13] Yeah, it's a lot and obviously they were like right at the edge of that comedy for most of the runtime of the show they went right up to that line, many, many times.

[00:18:25] I totally as somehow I think most people just shut up they know what they're in for and so they're not, they're not trying to pull any punches really is like yeah we know exactly what we signed up for.

[00:18:37] I mean just if you don't know what you're after into after the first episode that you're clearly either not paying attention or not the brightest.

[00:18:46] I mean, that's the thing with a show like this they're they're not doing this earnestly to make.

[00:18:52] You know, individuals be the but it's not a punk or anything where someone will inevitably get hurt I mean I was a extra I will not extra I was on an episode cheaters.

[00:19:03] Yes, don't matter in Dallas.

[00:19:05] I was being a method actor was a control freak with a samurai sword it was crazy and fun, but it didn't get that way overnight there were people who almost got injured or had death threats and they had to.

[00:19:17] Now whenever they cast that show is more cryptic they don't want just any freak on the street but they do want someone with a messed up storyline they can base it around right bust you so to speak but yeah now that that's, that's true too there are

[00:19:31] people who will do the whole.

[00:19:35] It's just making me uncomfortable.

[00:19:37] Well, it's kind of point.

[00:19:40] And then it's not. It's not to make, you know, like in the second episode I think when when we're talking about diversity day, Michael puts an.

[00:19:50] I don't even remember what the card is but he puts a card on Kelly Kapoor's head and goes full into like Indian stereotypes.

[00:19:58] It's not. It's not that they're making fun of Indian stereo stereotypes right making fun of Michael Scott's ignorance and that is the butt of the joke. The people that are so ignorant that they do these terrible stereotypes are the ones that

[00:20:12] are making it and that is super important because without that the cringe factor would be that the people that are making the show are the edge lords that are terrible people and when you look at it, even in the 2023 lens for something that was made.

[00:20:28] I don't even remember what 2005 or whatever yeah 405 yeah so I mean season. Yeah and that's how I took it to like I didn't even think he had.

[00:20:38] I didn't even want to go into Mike's to start to remind I'm sure he wasn't he doesn't even know where it came from that's how fucking stupid he is it probably wasn't even on TV but someone told him a joke and given how goable and he's not just ignorant he's

[00:20:54] well and the thing is if you look at when it was made if it came out in 2004 it was played in real time he was meant to be you know early 40s to late 40s most likely which means dude was a full on boomer and what we're seeing nowadays is the people that are stuck in the boomer mindsets

[00:21:12] are the ones that are ignorant without knowing that they're ignorant and it doesn't matter what they came from because everybody did that in the 60s and 70s and early 80s yeah and it took until now to realize hey I probably shouldn't do that and Michael Scott's the perfect example of somebody that didn't realize that.

[00:21:29] Totally they're not even the whole you know fuck you if you can't take a joke like they're in the whole well I've you're taking it too seriously you know just while totally just oblivious to again how insensitive it is but yeah no that is true the real time helps and it kind of even reminded you and I think

[00:21:50] that's why it caught on to people like oh my god yeah I've had an assistant manager who was a teacher like that you know or made you know slept on the ass and I mean I take it if you've been to college you've had a college professor who was rather vocal and you were like man I didn't

[00:22:07] wasn't fully invested in to win it I would totally slap his ass you know I would slap him in the fucking face and say you're a pig.

[00:22:17] I'm grateful I went to college online.

[00:22:19] You're right.

[00:22:21] So if you didn't like it.

[00:22:28] Oh man.

[00:22:35] It is also

[00:22:39] just one of those where we also

[00:22:46] had to process this slowly and we see everyone's just kind of you know moments on their faces I've seen fans start doing the whole gym's actually kind of a bad person like well yeah because he's sick of these guys so he's playing pranks on them just so he can have a laugh going home

[00:23:04] knowing that I'm the smarter guy I could just quit but I'm having too much fun just mocking these morons.

[00:23:11] Well and just like just like many comedies especially around that time.

[00:23:16] Kind of everybody on the show ends up being just a bad person at heart.

[00:23:20] Yeah, things that they they should not have done that makes makes them be just a part of their character I mean look, look how many times Stanley the butt of the joke was that he was having an affair.

[00:23:30] And they didn't you know shy away from that he actually was visibly having an affair.

[00:23:38] Yeah, Stanley.

[00:23:47] And that probably leads to one of my other favorite moments is Stanley's reactions to everything and you know setting up my segue for that all I could think about we're two specific scenes.

[00:24:00] One is his beautiful reaction to press all day and how much he loves press all day, and it was so relatable as a giant fat man. How much press all they can make my week so much better.

[00:24:12] And then the other one is him blowing up on Ryan for being inappropriate and he you know jumped all over with the boy have you lost your mind because I'll help you find it.

[00:24:24] It was such a relatable like, no you you messed up and Stanley is giving it to you and it was just perfectly acted.

[00:24:32] Yeah, I really wish you could do a little more. I've only seen him like the happy time murders making fun of angry police chiefs and like various like commercials but yeah, I can't see anyone else in that role lighter like that's how perfect the casting was like they just

[00:24:49] were so funny how they didn't think they were going to get the role, but they. Yeah, they just leaned into it there's like, yeah I mean, it reminds me of how Mary Lynn Rajkov from Mr show and Larry Saunders got the role of Chloe and 24 by being nervous, which is exactly

[00:25:05] the role needed and yeah, I mean, I think everybody just when you're on edge that's just how good a performance you're going to get like there were plenty of blockbuster directors who I don't think are very good with comedy who gets directed episodes that's how well polished

[00:25:20] it was just no escape in it.

[00:25:25] What's your favorite.

[00:25:27] No reaction from Mike, as a whenever Toby who's doing his job telling him hey Michael you can't do that, you know, the bureaucrat. I mean it's got to be a Toby reaction but I think the the one that is over the top enough is his explanation that if he had a gun with two

[00:25:46] guys in a room with that he would kill Toby twice. That is such like a mean and unnecessarily antagonistic line that you can I've had bosses that were so terrible that I could picture them saying something like that.

[00:26:01] Yeah, and I just can't fathom putting that in a show it's so funny. So well written. And that was, that was the thing these people that are acting as these individuals were the main writers on the show so yeah he was one of the writers so

[00:26:15] they could feel they could feel the characters and be like no you hate me. Let me write this so that you can just be incensed with me and the comedy will come out and that's true. So, because they're very meta very philosophical and kind of spiritual I think

[00:26:31] I don't know if you think Toby is worse than Hitler or not. I mean, he's the same scene as the one that was in the movie, but yeah, I mean in that same scene doesn't need to say something like if there was a choice between Toby or Hitler I picked Toby every time. That's how I get ready.

[00:26:50] Right. And then it gets even more to start when you realize like just everybody else who's dating them is half the time is like kind of abusing Michael in a way to oh yeah.

[00:27:02] And then the other Toby one that I really love is after Toby gets divorced, and, and he's leaving the office and he says, Well, you're leaving us and your divorce so you've lost your family twice so that however he says it. It's just so personal. Michael just does not care about Toby's feelings at all.

[00:27:23] Yeah, I didn't think about that but yeah.

[00:27:34] Zero empathy. Yeah, I don't see how he could be empathetic he's like just so we get hints of what happened over his lifestyle, but he won't let us in because I think I don't think he knows.

[00:27:50] Right. For all we know he could have been molested he could have been like constantly abused he could be in like overfed and somehow worked out that I don't know how he even stays skinny given how he just sits at his desk so often just doing pranks.

[00:28:07] Yeah, well I mean with Michael one of the ways we know he always stays skinny. And that's by one of my other favorite moments. And that's because he uses a George forming drill to not only cook bacon every morning but burn the hell out of his foot.

[00:28:22] And that is such just a silly character trait to throw in about somebody like the fact that he wakes up to an alarm starts bacon cooking and then goes back to sleep to wake up the fresh bacon is brilliant writing that is.

[00:28:37] That's like next level character development that nobody else would think to do.

[00:28:42] And because of how sparse in the moment is you know it you're not even picking it apart nitpicking was it you know made up on the fly was an improvised was it scripted was it just for the moment doesn't matter it works.

[00:28:55] I mean, we need to do it.

[00:28:58] Yeah, that's true because anyone else would want to just start a rivalry with another show and because they're kind of just everybody was kind of doing a bit of everything.

[00:29:12] And kind of get to that point where it's like hey you know rest of the developments doing its own thing you're doing its own thing Boston Legals definitely doing its own thing.

[00:29:20] Just, you guys do you know don't be worried about the other and I've never even seen anyone even compare the others is just they were kind of all doing right, kind of what all the crime shows are doing at the time and like there's 24 there's CSI and then there's

[00:29:34] a lot of sopranos, you know, pick your and 16 versions of law and order.

[00:29:39] Right. Absolutely. Yeah, every guy took a show with a gavel head and a hard boiled cop who's kind of cool but very problematic and yeah, it is just

[00:29:50] you can pick it all. It all works, or maybe it doesn't maybe you know, and I'm the same thing with doctors. I've been watching watching all these other ones that are somehow doing away with all the soap and just kind of just leaning into the medical stuff

[00:30:04] and like see this is a good change of pace after that subgenre has been kind of wrecked for me and yeah same thing with sitcoms I'm seeing even shows that generally would probably have a laugh track or just kind of more comfortable doing something

[00:30:18] like hey, let's have a live interaction or let's have an actual audience like we'll have an audience but it's going to actually be existing not added in later in post.

[00:30:28] And I couldn't see the office as a sitcom I don't think it would be funny if we had to remind people to laugh.

[00:30:34] Well, I don't think a laugh track makes it a sitcom that this right right right right no no I don't mean that but I just mean like if they wanted to make it a typical

[00:30:44] late night show, as done in the 80s. Right.

[00:30:48] Because generally, most of us wouldn't laugh in the moment we'd be like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, tear you know just it would be more of a just slowly betting it out.

[00:30:59] It would have been a very awkward live studio audience show for sure, they'd be like happening because generally you know just like test screenings that studios don't tell people what to thank beforehand because they want the right energy

[00:31:11] and right after time if you just give us synopsis they know what to thank before going into it.

[00:31:17] But who do you think has had the most unproductive lifestyle there's Meredith.

[00:31:25] In the show or after the show. Oh no just in the show yeah now everyone's doing good so far I think

[00:31:31] in the show man yeah it's probably got to be Meredith but at the same time there's also seems to probably have diabetes I think

[00:31:39] I mean you can have diabetes and still be productive he seems to be everywhere at least Meredith doesn't seem to be doing much other than like trading sex acts for gift cards I guess.

[00:31:49] Oh my God.

[00:31:51] Yeah, there's there's so many like loose ends that I would have loved to have heard about some of the home lives of some of these characters that we just never got but you know the main ones that we did get were so fleshed out that it was more than enough.

[00:32:06] You know we got enough with the whites home life and with Michael's home life and Jim and Pam it was.

[00:32:12] It was nice to dive into all of those and really like I was trying to think of one of my my other favorite moments that I would throw in here at the end and I kind of wanted to go with a whole episode which is a cheat and I know that but the dinner party episode where you bring all of these people together.

[00:32:28] Is this culmination of all of the cringe ever on the show is so raw and especially the way they shoot it with like the neon lights and like everything is like the best looking place ever and it's like everyone.

[00:32:42] You're not sure what's more dead the room or everyone's soul.

[00:32:47] Yeah, the constant jabbing between Jan and Michael is rough but then you see, you know, Dwight and Jim and Pam and everybody respond in a way that shows their humanity which is kind of rare for Dwight especially.

[00:33:03] And it's nice to see them in that awkward situation at home and not in the workplace so they could be a little more personal but yeah that episode always gets a giant laugh out of me there's there's probably 10 or 15 lines that are like all time or great lines just in that one.

[00:33:22] And as a disclaimer I didn't mean to imply that Kevin was unable to function due to this diabetic nature I'm just saying he eats like a motherfucker just like constantly like sit like even when he gets to the point where he's like tricking people into buying him candy.

[00:33:37] And it's like yeah, of course, you're that that's how petty you are of course you're gonna dropping chili all over the floor.

[00:33:43] Oh yeah, yeah and he gets off on it kind of he just loves seeing people react to all the grossness and you're like yeah hey.

[00:33:50] This guy definitely never got spanked as a kid. He probably got told to just sit in a corner and.

[00:33:56] And, but yeah no the restaurant scenes are always like the perfect I mean even had, I think Chip Eston in there briefly and he's like, it's always funny how like at first you think all the bureaucrats who are coming in checking in on them are going to be

[00:34:12] like, they're just very just polite and down to earth and of course half of them are psychos.

[00:34:19] Yeah, it's like how did you get to where you are.

[00:34:23] Exactly. And sometimes even Michael have a moment of truth where he's like what are we even talking about.

[00:34:30] The man who often instigates and starts all the nonsense.

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[00:36:18] Oh, what do you think about the one where Michael thinks that he's being loan shark and gets all these guys in and then of course it just like no you took all this stuff out of sequence dude what are you talking about I'm not scamming you.

[00:36:35] There's lots of financial things for Michael that are always funny and then obviously you know the best scene when it comes to his money is him walking into the center of the office and yelling I declare bankruptcy.

[00:36:48] It doesn't get any more bumbling than that it is such a fun like wow this makes me realize what type of a person I'm dealing with for the rest of the show.

[00:36:59] I've lost track of how many times like Andy Dwight or Jim or even just the switch off with the two of them like sometimes they're actually getting along and other times like Dwight is literally like shit talking while Jim is driving and I love how he'll look at the camera and have the time you can get a move aside from just like hey

[00:37:18] technically the camera wouldn't be there but hey it just works better just from a comedy standpoint if you just look this way like no one can see it now but just minding my time.

[00:37:29] Yeah, yeah.

[00:37:30] Yeah, head on chin just eye rolling.

[00:37:36] And it is well how they had to practice a lot of that is like don't look directly into it is not funny because I know parts and wreck actually tried that. Because when they started they wanted to be kind of a mockumentary version of the West Wing.

[00:37:48] Yeah, they had to kill all the footage like the producers were like it's not funny if we do the walk and talk it's just too overwhelming.

[00:37:56] It somehow works for serious show but doesn't work as a comedy because there's just too much to kind of lean into and do all at once, but

[00:38:06] I especially love it when a la Kemper's character I always forget it's not Kimmy Schmidt, but she's owning that role to

[00:38:17] her.

[00:38:20] She she is like getting back together with her mom and it's like, it's what's her name from like Matt log.

[00:38:28] Yeah, her name's Aaron.

[00:38:31] Yeah, Aaron.

[00:38:33] I would just now I'm just envisioning Kimmy Schmidt actually being a character in the office and how funny that would have been.

[00:38:39] I think the story of Kimmy Schmidt was like, yeah, she was adopted by a cold.

[00:38:44] But I think that's why if anything this.

[00:38:49] Yeah, this the Aaron character definitely gave Kemper like more to just like lean on and as they I think they always got her character right even when there were some episodes that kind of slogged in later seasons is like, yeah, but

[00:39:02] I think that's her being callable for Andy versus I want to do this.

[00:39:07] It's making fun of kind of it's a weird like she's like a mixture of like a Valley girl and just like the cousin who comes over and has a fun recreational party without any sex or drugs or anything.

[00:39:21] The hard part with Aaron and I, I agree. I pretty much always loved her she was always really fun on there but I feel like especially in the last, I don't know, three seasons.

[00:39:31] They tried to have too many just downright stupid characters like oh yeah they took Andy from being insufferable to being a complete idiot.

[00:39:40] Aaron, Aaron was always made to be really dumb Kevin was made to be really dumb.

[00:39:45] Michael was too much stupidity for its own good yeah.

[00:39:48] Yeah, Michael was always played to be just the most ignorant piece of junk.

[00:39:53] Yeah, I'm with you. I don't hate them but I went when there was some of the other guys flirting with Aaron and the other guy with glasses from hot time time machine who Dwight is basically wanting to be his next to Ken.

[00:40:07] I swear I was like okay you're doing a little too much there. I mean you don't really notice it at first because that's the other thing with this show and your first watching episode you're reacting to it versus processing.

[00:40:19] And then it kind of makes you wonder at the same time what would I had even done differently because I don't think they would even know what they could have do differently because it was raw and in the moment but inevitably I mean at least they're mature enough and they can even talk about skits that they don't think even land nowadays.

[00:40:35] Yeah, and thankfully most of them did so that's that's not even something that they get to touch on.

[00:40:40] Yeah, I think there's maybe only like one or two episodes my sister always like skips that are just like, like you get it but it's just a little too dry and it's like I can see that.

[00:40:52] Sometimes that's even it kind of even leads into like a Tim and Eric predicament or funny or die or is like, it's funny because it's not.

[00:41:01] But at least right, I can't call it a hackneyed because it was intended to just kind of just be like, oh so worst idea ever. Let's do it.

[00:41:09] I feel that way about most of the first season which a lot of people just don't like because it's so just workplace comedy.

[00:41:18] At least it was 10 episodes.

[00:41:20] Right.

[00:41:21] And it's not over the top like the rest of them. So, yeah, I get that.

[00:41:25] They leaned into it too by also saying we had to kind of fell there just to get it down.

[00:41:32] I think the other thing that we've barely even brought up so far they were following on the heels of a very successful British show that they're basically remaking kind of but also doing incredibly differently.

[00:41:57] So, yeah, they had a lot of pressure especially with Ricky Gervais being involved.

[00:42:01] That's why I love just when he showed on there because like even if you weren't familiar with it.

[00:42:07] Like, you knew something was up.

[00:42:09] Yep.

[00:42:11] And I totally like just, I love that too because like, not only was it kind of meta regardless of whether you got it or not I was like, yeah, I mean, who knows for all we know he probably has come overseas and he's found more to join his

[00:42:29] clan. And I love how he kind of like Michael is even more full of himself where he thinks, you know, he's the center of the universe.

[00:42:38] He's waving at him like you should know who he is.

[00:42:41] Right.

[00:42:43] But it is wild how the UK version was kind of just slowly circulating and not really like as known except to like big wigs in Hollywood who were remaking it was kind of like the homeland effect where it's like a lot of people knew about it but not everyone had seen it because

[00:42:57] it hadn't really syndicated yet.

[00:43:00] Well, we didn't have streaming yet.

[00:43:02] So yeah, we didn't have something we could just go hop on to in Netflix.

[00:43:05] Unless you had like, yeah, one of those PBS kids where you could buy like $40 worth of excellent quality, you know, Masterpiece Theater programming. Yeah, you didn't have it.

[00:43:16] You know what, since we're talking about the UK office, I gotta say the episode future award winner Olivia Coleman comes in. It's just perfect.

[00:43:25] She just works in anything like this. She's very charismatic but like she just comes in and she's just like kind of just leaning in just smiling. Uh huh. Uh huh.

[00:43:35] Okay.

[00:43:38] And then just looking at the camera like what did you say?

[00:43:42] Well, speaking of back around then I mean she was incredible and hot fuzz. I knew that you go a lot of really great stuff. Yeah. I loved her for a long time.

[00:43:50] I didn't even realize like when she was award winner, I was like, I know that name. Sure enough. I look at all the gal from that Broadchurch thing that they remake with the same cast here in the States. Yeah.

[00:44:01] Okay. Wow. Okay. She's been in everything. Every fucking thing ever and just very tight very leans into just kind of the ensemble. Exactly.

[00:44:17] Um, but I mean I think that was also what's wild. I mean it's easier I think to get into the UK show once you've seen the US version.

[00:44:27] Because now you know which character is trying to be what because they talk so fast and it's different culture and everything.

[00:44:34] Yeah and that's seeing the main differences afterwards is super rewarding but I gotta admit when you are, when you've seen the British office before you see the US office.

[00:44:44] I understand why a lot of people didn't love the US office at first when they'd seen that one it's yeah it was too much at first yet and a lot of just kind of pointing in the right direction but you still had to kind of make a backstory for everything.

[00:44:59] You even look at other shows that were groundbreaking that were always poorly rated but just so acclaimed anything from homicide life on the street to every other ex files kind of knock off show is like it didn't get there right away and thank God for DVD and you have later streaming in blu-ray but yeah it didn't happen overnight.

[00:45:19] Unfortunately true.

[00:45:27] I mean, it's even funnier how TV people love TV so much that it even makes you wonder who like would that show exist without the other show you don't want to kill your darlings you know what I do.

[00:45:44] Right and the crazy thing is to look at how much has come from the individual that got big from the office that we haven't even mentioned yet and that's real I'm a good user character name just to be funny but cousin moes.

[00:45:56] He is the one that developed parks and rec he developed the good place he developed Brooklyn 99 like oh yes, yes, yes.

[00:46:03] These are continuing to be some of the biggest comedies of all time and without the success of the office. Yeah, he may have been a writer on a bunch of shows but would you have had the chance to do all these absolutely not.

[00:46:16] Yeah, he would not have gotten literally plans a through F, you know, right.

[00:46:23] At this point he can make it to see you can make it to the end of the finish line. Definitely.

[00:46:28] Yeah, I've seen so many of them kind of cross over with one another.

[00:46:37] And that was at the point where it just seemed like everybody just was so come to with their experimentation and that I mean, hearing Ed Helms talk about how he was so fearless with doing the Andy roll was just an eye opener in and of itself because he was

[00:46:54] just like, what's the worst that happens. The worst I do is I file for you know, unemployment in three months, but that's not going to happen right. I feel confident I've done the daily show for almost half a decade.

[00:47:05] I want to move on.

[00:47:07] Yeah, I think the daily show gave some good training that was the same kind of deal I mean say what you all about the politics everything it was just interesting how it's both a sketch show and a mock new show and

[00:47:19] I mean, being part of again of an ensemble and you know Steve Carell had done that but they weren't always in the same scene so I think I think a lot of that kind of plays into it I mean, and I mean, I would even see some people on there who were on anything from like mad TV or

[00:47:35] living color you just all these other guys who have been doing this for day, decades and just I do have to give Ken Qampas a bunch of you know applause though just for having when he said in his right interview he noted how he had done a similar

[00:47:54] interview with the company did Larry Saunders where was like don't have the AD call you know sound rolling just motion and like film some raw interviews without the sled realizing the cameras on them so that way they don't have to pretend to play a real

[00:48:10] version of themselves.

[00:48:12] Right.

[00:48:14] I think that is it like this all these other little perks and everything.

[00:48:18] You know, obviously the big thing behind a lot of these comics that we haven't said yet is just improv training. The Steve Carell have a massive history in it and then following on with that you have Amy polar leading and basically the same position for parks and wreck and if you

[00:48:32] have somebody who is so nuanced in improv that they can respond to anything. Sure, great writers around everybody's going to help but no matter what you have this core component that will be able to basically rescue any scene even if it just completely

[00:48:46] flubs. So it's nice to have that that sort of star power and start making ability with those people.

[00:48:54] Totally.

[00:48:58] But I mean, yeah, that is true everyone now kind of goes back to the investor thing oh what's going to generate you know now that movie stars are doing TV.

[00:49:09] Well, this one thing I don't think it was from fours but it was a similar site and they were showing is like Jeffrey Donovan made 10 million each episode shut I coming concerts making 30 million an episode of Yellowstone you're like oh man so now that

[00:49:24] that's the model. Yeah, I don't think it would last as long because

[00:49:33] I think it's just now it's kind of more of a who's first back to being the who's first versus right who's good and who wants to follow and be like that.

[00:49:46] And what does the investor want that's going to generate a lot of money but still might be a piece of shit.

[00:49:52] Yeah, I'd say that almost depends on the show itself for sure like Yellowstone obviously is established especially because it had the writing ability to Taylor Sheridan but yeah I mean there's there's

[00:50:02] the first thing in the world and it would still be great you would still look at it because it's a weird mixture of like Dallas and sopranos.

[00:50:10] And it is cool that everyone's at that point now everyone has all these other fandoms that are talked about but you still kind of kind of look around navigate

[00:50:21] and I mean that there's all these other crime shows that in a post breaking bad world like Kingdom Ray Donovan and even the power TV franchise is a big one on stars but not everyone's following it but yeah I'm sure you could if you go to any like forum or internet thing you're going to find

[00:50:38] plenty of fan fiction for anything nowadays and you know I'm sure the office has plenty of historical ones that would have been like oh someone sort of totally made that guaranteed yeah just like the 9 11 episode of

[00:50:50] Seinfeld that never happened.

[00:50:53] True.

[00:50:56] I would just say is your favorite character.

[00:50:58] I know they're all bastards but like who is your favorite that is like, I can't imagine the show without them like if you take this away like this is not the perfect crafted cheesecake that this show is.

[00:51:10] Well, not to get all sentimental at the end and I'm sure a lot of people feel the same exact way that went through a lot of the same life experiences at the same time but I threw throughout the start of the office towards the end of the office is when I had met and fell in love with my now wife and

[00:51:29] through everything the gym and Pam story was always a mirror here and not only because of the way that you know it was a romantic lead in the show, but Pam was on the verge of marrying somebody else and both my wife and I, surprisingly married other people and eventually found our way back to

[00:51:49] each other.

[00:51:50] Oh man.

[00:51:51] So, we dated when I was like 14 and she was like 1213 something like that and eventually came back more than a decade later, and the way that life just made that weird and it felt like that may meant meant to be aspect of Jim and Pam so I mean just as the the mail that I am like, Jim it

[00:52:12] was a core element of the show for me and obviously the show framed him a lot as the main character but it was, it was interesting to put myself in the not only am I facing you know workplace, you know, going into life and trying to find a career kind of like Jim was but facing

[00:52:27] a lot of the same thing.

[00:52:28] If you do damage you don't.

[00:52:30] I mean, that is a true love and all that so and it was to them because they weren't sure how they wanted to shoot that and then finally they said, we got to do it this way everyone's leaning in on it it works better to post this material because they were just afraid

[00:52:42] Oh no the networks giving us notes but have a you know some formulaic, you know romantic triangle right.

[00:52:48] I think it worked because the audience responded to it so much there was just no denying it is just clearly it's in the room it's an emotion that must be.

[00:52:58] And just, like you say you're talking about improv earlier I mean, you know how it is improv dies if you negate it.

[00:53:06] So, if it's an emotion in the room eventually you got to acknowledge you got to embrace it and just say well and based on that because they embraced it look at how many parts of the show that are gold that we got from it

[00:53:17] and not just the future of Jim and Pam but like the Roy fight where he comes in into white or going to Roy's wedding how awkward that was for Jim and Pam later or, you know the the incredibly tension relieving kiss between Jim and Pam after the dundies it was.

[00:53:37] It's there's so much in this that pays off because they made a certain decision.

[00:53:41] Absolutely. And to just ignore it would have been, I think it would have deprived everyone because he just need at least two people to be less imperfect it and perfect or somewhat normal compared to the others otherwise you will completely just be like where's this going on tuning out it's too much.

[00:54:01] Right.

[00:54:05] Yeah, because those were kind of just our comforts sometime at the time the camera would lean on in on this and, like you say we would be defying it how someone else is snooping in on them and they're realizing their failure and that gives us a chuckle because we're like yeah.

[00:54:21] At least they at least they finally put two and two together so that's funny.

[00:54:25] Right.

[00:54:27] No, that's wild that that that is so cool when a show that's abnormal and not even trying to be like real life still kind of hits a, hits a note.

[00:54:37] That's real and you're just like whoa hey you know see that that was that was an inspired filmmaking choice to somehow make this thing that you can't even come.

[00:54:48] It's very hard to even be constructive about a little own comprehend in a coherent fashion. It's somehow right.

[00:54:56] They hit these little layers that is, yeah it's the shrek quote onions they have layers.

[00:55:02] Exactly and you know you got to do something semi right eventually and even with all the chaos going around them they seem to go back to the right way.

[00:55:12] I take it you read the kill save the cat book.

[00:55:16] I loved how they talked about that if your hero is invincible then everything else has a shift around like okay perfect so everyone around Rambo or James Bond has to get blown up and they have to at least

[00:55:28] try at the very end after all the carnage but yeah that then it yeah with comedy yeah same deal is like if you got a douchebag or asshole who's just still just will not use their cranium at least they got to be fired or they got to have some other kind of amusing thing that just

[00:55:47] affects everyone else around them and just they you know I loved how even even before Michael eventually leaves that I think that is the biggest irony it's an emotional episode and he left on his own accord out of love which is so funny because the whole first few seasons where he was there we thought oh he's going to get fired at the end of the season there's

[00:56:07] no way somehow found a way sex is way to top or just said something less dumb or he's the only guy available so there's like we'll let this wait you get to keep your job this year but man Michael what the hell.

[00:56:24] Yeah, he made a lot of bad bad bad choices over the course of the show.

[00:56:31] And what do you think is the funniest like animal attack or air ventilation prank there's almost always something misbehaving in that damn office I'm.

[00:56:41] It's hard to believe that it is a film set at times it looks so raw like an actual.

[00:56:46] Well if it counts as a air ventilation one, I will count the gym prank of hiding Andy cell phone in the ceiling.

[00:56:56] Driving him crazy with his his own ringtone.

[00:57:00] Oh yeah there's that and various buttons he's literally pressing and each time he opens his desk like something comes out and like splat like a balloon explodes or something.

[00:57:13] Jim no shortage of gadgets man but it's even better when he like tricks someone else with all the rumors and gossip into doing a prank for him and Dwight still like oblivious he's like Jim wouldn't do that he's not that smart.

[00:57:26] He's like yeah he totally wouldn't do that because he is that bright.

[00:57:29] Of course Dwight.

[00:57:31] The game is a foot again it almost reminds me of the Sean Connery skit on SNL games of foot for back just the whole back and forth is like you know you even forget why they even hate each other after a while.

[00:57:45] Dwight thinks he's smart he's really not smart and then Jim is just like I'm just putting in the nine to five just like.

[00:57:56] Was there any I can't remember if there was ever a moment where someone got like the typical prank where you sit on the photocopier or something I think it was.

[00:58:10] No, I don't.

[00:58:12] I don't think there was anything like talk of it. Yeah.

[00:58:16] I mean, they didn't ever really go to the restroom all that much but it was interesting how you would have thought they would have since it was kind of a common like they're addressing just about anything else that's happening in an actual workplace.

[00:58:28] Right. They pretty much just kept it with.

[00:58:32] Hey everyone's asking Michael for overtime or if they can take vacation off and of course he's not going to honor that because he has no concept of Union rides.

[00:58:45] He doesn't care.

[00:58:48] And even if you did he just doesn't know what it means he just comes to work when he wants to.

[00:58:53] True.

[00:58:56] Oh, what's your favorite on like on foot moment where they're just walking around town.

[00:59:03] Oh man.

[00:59:04] I mean,

[00:59:06] I really enjoy seasons three and four so this is probably a really cliche answer.

[00:59:11] But the fun run episode with the entire fundraiser.

[00:59:16] That was the first one I saw all the way through like I'd seen bits and pieces of it but by this point like oh seven everyone was watching it even if they were hate watching it they were watching it and yeah he opens it up he's like I am right.

[00:59:29] Why would you stop that.

[00:59:32] I would shut that and then all all capped off at the end by my Michael puking his guts out.

[00:59:38] But I mean really the biggest thing to me is that we have the white and Angela really going at their secret relationship here, and the fact that

[00:59:48] anymore.

[00:59:50] Oh God yeah.

[00:59:52] It's so wild how everyone feels like they're being watched but ironically they're not being watched at the time they think they're being watched right and then someone comes in is like, oh I just got here they'll talk to like documentary crew.

[01:00:04] Everyone hates this, but I actually like it when the documentary crew gets a little more interactive because half the time it was like the camera crew actually interacting with them, or laughing in the moment.

[01:00:14] You were talking about the better off Ted I love how that guy, the crystal muckalus is like the documentary guy who somehow thanks for some reason that he and Pam have a connection.

[01:00:26] Yeah, he's like beats up the guy in front of him and like the camera like falls to the side like it would have you been.

[01:00:32] Yeah, I didn't hate the whole documentary crew being being interactive in those later seasons I thought that was an interesting touch to keep it going. It was the other stuff that started to fall term bring down the quality

[01:00:44] Yeah, like you say everyone just got too fucking stupid for their own good and that's where you're just like okay I kind of made the show a little less marathons or you're like okay that that's that's too much stupidity for one day.

[01:00:57] Yeah, it's kind of well and I kind of get it they feel the pressure to keep going wilder and wilder and the only way to do that is make people dumber so yeah.

[01:01:07] And all fairness though I think you in a way Michael was kind of unofficially kind of the ground keeper.

[01:01:17] He should have been.

[01:01:20] And it's so funny how many private meetings though range and they'll all kind of dismiss themselves from the room without his permission but because he doesn't even know when to conclude it he's just going on a rant in a tangent but yeah in a way with all the other morons entering the

[01:01:36] picture they would get probably dumber but like you say it's a little still a little formula I got times to where it's like, okay, I need a filter I need to breathe.

[01:01:45] I mean this is corrupting my brain I feel like my brain is actually melting.

[01:01:51] Oh, but I mean it is inevitable I mean just like there's going to be dumb people who watch South Park of the Simpsons and was probably going to be dumb people were like I want to be like Michael Scott and like oh Lord have mercy.

[01:02:04] Please say no.

[01:02:09] I mean you've gone for like just about so many highlights obviously there's countless other ones I mean but out of all the actors who have had a big career since who have you liked kind of more of the formula like many project kind of leaned into that a bit just a weird private clinic with weird people.

[01:02:29] And just based on my own personal interest, I'm going to lean into the same character john Krasinski here and say oh yeah directing a whitelist and writing more and staying in that lane and doing very well is impressive as hell to me.

[01:02:46] I did a dysfunctional dramedy with Marco Mardendale and Kendrick.

[01:02:52] It was really hardwarming and just seeing that I was like see that would not have happened with the office had he not been on there and he not been an intern on Conan and he not done all this other comedy group segments.

[01:03:05] I mean I was like Jack Ryan actually the other week and what's funny is, there was a moment where he just looked at the camera and he had like a funny quirk and I was like see that is Jim that is Jim coming out of the jack right here.

[01:03:18] I realize that he's the head producer of the show but I mean cool is to him on even running that show, along with the other show runners because like season free got delayed by coven and then it got delayed an extra year because they went through like three different show runner arguments.

[01:03:32] And it was kind of like the Ted Lasso effect like everyone was like we got a four season deal, we have to move on to the next best thing after this you know we can't, you know delay it any further and we can't, you know, this is only fresh for so long you know we don't want to do this to death and,

[01:03:50] especially when we have this contract freedom.

[01:03:55] Why would you lampoon yourself on intentionally why would you, you know, screw it up when this is so good with what you have now.

[01:04:03] Yeah.

[01:04:04] In fact, have you even said, have you seen Ted Lasso.

[01:04:07] I actually haven't.

[01:04:09] I don't have Apple TV and I need to get it.

[01:04:12] I think the amusing part when you're watching it, definitely watching with the crowded people because there's 10 things going on all at once, often in a scene.

[01:04:23] Someone's throwing something in the background someone's eating something inappropriately just someone else is doing something that they talked about five episodes ago and they're just now doing it in the thick of something so like you will have to rewind multiple times just to find every

[01:04:37] single Easter egg or skit.

[01:04:39] It's like a rest of development.

[01:04:40] And it is, and it's, but it goes back to improv like what am I doing in the scene.

[01:04:47] How about this guy trips someone in the hallway or sports practicing and it is funny because not everyone can is comfortable doing that some people just want to do free things at once as opposed to 20.

[01:04:59] Yeah, and I mean the rest of development kind of set the pace on that and a lot of shows have tried to do it and not done very well so no good to hear.

[01:05:07] Well, and plus, I would even kind of cringe with that when will or net would kind of do a similar show is like, damn it I just want you to go back to rest of.

[01:05:14] Right, right.

[01:05:18] This is because that's a too you don't know how much of it is how they're being framed and how they're doing the staging versus just the main creative or main lead doing his own interpretation it's so many factors.

[01:05:34] It's tough to even way, and I think this is why comedy is still a little cryptic now people just still think oh you follow script I'm like well to an extent.

[01:05:44] Exactly.

[01:05:46] So, this was been a delight.

[01:05:49] Anything you would like to promote or we shuffle.

[01:05:53] Disconnected is a lot of things all at once so I will kind of throw everything out there.

[01:06:00] If you are into physical media meaning blue rays 4ks DVD all of that.

[01:06:05] I post announcements every single time something comes out every single time something goes on sale.

[01:06:11] Everything I want to share.

[01:06:14] Yep.

[01:06:16] So I do that I do a live show on YouTube and twitch every Thursday night to go over all the announcements of the week and I always have a guest.

[01:06:23] So we go through all of the announcements and then have some sort of film discussion.

[01:06:27] Just this just last night it's Friday it feels like this was four days ago.

[01:06:32] I had somebody from Norman Studios in Jacksonville, Florida that came on and told us about everything they've done for film restoration and we talked about silent films and beyond that.

[01:06:42] I put up a interview with a somebody in the film industry every single Monday on my YouTube channel.

[01:06:49] I've got a wonderful Patreon that I've got a lot of people that have signed up and we've got a really bustling discord I put out a newsletter every month.

[01:06:57] You definitely have a lot of fun and even just your wording versus video I can tell.

[01:07:03] I've got too much going on I pretty much never sleep.

[01:07:07] Sleep what's that.

[01:07:09] Exactly.

[01:07:11] I guarantee you no one on this show slept.

[01:07:14] Well, thanks for having me on this has been this has been fun.

[01:07:17] Thanks for letting me share about disconnected.

[01:07:19] You owned it.

[01:07:21] Good.

[01:07:22] You owned it.

[01:07:44] Thanks a million for listening.

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