Box Office & TV Flops Week: The Best, Worst & Crazily Infamous Film Critics (with Jon Mark)

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[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Welcome back to Talking About The Best, The Worst, The Most Overrated Movie Critics.

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm your host, Kamzoli, and here I am with partner in crime, Jon Mark.

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Welcome.

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Always glad to be here.

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_05]: So we just thought we'd just kind of do a quick dive into some critics that we kind of stand by and ones that are kind of overhyped and others that should have never gotten into the industry.

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_05]: They were just entertainment tools and somehow someone said, well you know so much about movies, wink, wink, you might as well just have you pass a giant blockbuster or praise an Oscar baked movie.

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_05]: So bring into many and just give a brief reason why they do or do not appeal.

[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_05]: So I will quickly get into obviously one that is an instant punching bag or praise is Roger Ebert.

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_05]: And I think for the most part, I always just never had to deal with him because he was it just felt so authentic whatever he was saying.

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_05]: He was like, okay I like these festivals.

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_05]: There's Sunday morning entertainment and there'd be other times where he really did not like sequels.

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_05]: He's just like hey you know no matter how you put it, it's just too much for its own good.

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_05]: It's well worn territory.

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_05]: And I still do this day do not understand why people act like he hated certain kinds of movies like people will look at him hating John Claude Van Dammoves and act like he doesn't.

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Like action movies is like no he likes plenty of Clint Eastwood Steven Seagal, John Wayne or Wesley Snipes or Swartzman or Tim.

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_06]: He enjoyed the rock folks.

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_06]: He loves the rock.

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_06]: He even wrote the essay for the criteria collection for the rock so that should taste it.

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_06]: There you go.

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah the movie with Sean Connery and I was playing Connery outings he likes.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_05]: He even a movie that he felt got overstated welcome.

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_05]: He was always looking at the psychologicalness of it as opposed to whether or not there were too many explosions like most critics seem to do or there be even times where he would even confess is like this movie isn't as bad as the one that I wrote you know beyond the valley and all so it's like okay so he's just pretty self aware who he is and I know he really liked

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Will Smith and you know talk about some of his various movies like in the state.

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_05]: I think I am legend but I really don't understand the whole he hates whore is like, yes, he hated a lot of the trashy ones.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I think he was okay with the fog but he just didn't care for a lot of the other non escaped from New York tight movies he did and I think he just didn't like anything that didn't serve any real purpose so like, he'd like something like scream but he or Grimlins but he

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_06]: was weird because Scream 2 he actually prefer the original that's when the few sequels he does enjoy.

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh yeah and I mean he was with like that with like Jurassic Park and you know, yeah, I think the other problem is because he was working with the pretentious Jean Cisco and Cisco just seemed to hate anything that just wasn't a 40s kind of inspired movie and and he was just like hey there people are doing something new and original and

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_05]: groundbreaking and he was often just taken aback like you could just tell he's always just sucked into just the actors performances and how affectionate or moody or depressed they come across on screen and I was like see so he's actually

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_05]: and he would sometimes fess up like he said that he had to see unforgiven twice and in all fairness there are some people who unfortunately find that movie overrated or don't

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_05]: didn't get it right away but I loved how he just fessed up is like yeah I saw it at the festival and then I saw it when it came out and I understand it better and this is a

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_05]: a typical kind of western and I got to give it props just for that so interesting so

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_06]: and even to that with alien as well that's when they

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_06]: but when it first came out but then he

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_06]: you know we watched it over the years and that eventually became one of a series of films

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_05]: well there you go and

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_05]: that's like one of the few times he broke his rule because there were other times where people were like why do you give a free out of four star review to the Godfather

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_05]: he's like because I think that's what is deserved I might rate it higher now but I need to keep it for historical sake just here's my initial thought on whatever movie and

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_05]: he even got into I think he just became the target of video game

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_05]: creators when he did the whole video games will never become you know as pure as film and I'm like well so again this was years before motion capture you know post avatar

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah call a duty type games were coming out with a giant involving story but in all fairness while they are very intriguing I think he's just at the end of the day just saying it's not the same format as a movie now he could have worded that better sure

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_05]: and we got that I never understood how stupid comedians like Rob Schneider wanted to instantly like verbally kickbox with him and he had to just kind of just be very playful is like you're saying this I did give your movie a fair rating I don't find it funny

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_05]: all these awful movies you're making so it was interesting how he just kind of had to just say hey you know just doing my job not here's slant yeah just do not care for your movies

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_05]: that's true me how he even wrote his own book he's written so many books I hated hated this movie yep that's the one I mentioned and at least he put in best comedy into it

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_05]: you know one day disagree with which of course you want to look at the movies that you like oh yeah like during Armageddon he's like I wanted to escape this movie and then there's other ones which is my thing was another one he really hated a lot of people

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I did that they it's funny how they like the mummy a year later and it's kind of interesting how many filmmakers who warm up he was just kind of like you never really even made it personally like so many filmmakers will often just assume that everyone credit on screen is who they're supposed to be responding to

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_05]: and he's just kind of this is more this has good intentions but it just you know it wears off it runs out of time with its pace and he often would just commend actors who really own the role and I just thought that was admirable because everyone else likes to just start off with just

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_05]: you know rejection this movie is garbage and he wanted to just see the passion that did merit a lot of entertainment on screen before just saying yeah but it's a missed opportunity or

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_05]: it just wears out its welcome and I like Peter Travers and he would often just kind of he was just one of those he never really got into superhero stuff and everything and I saw some people piling on him for a while and he was like no there but when you take away the visuals there is emptiness so he didn't

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_05]: like some of James Cameron's you know overdone passionate projects he really hated Watchman I just was down with and I just was down with I just don't understand how Rolling Stone kind of has kind of almost shafted him recently like just kind of giving him a step down on

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_05]: there and I think it's just because the coke butters bought in and restructured everything with new management but I'm just like a dude has been working for quite a while that's kind of a lame way to just throw him away and I didn't even know he had a 2am review show I would have totally watched it but

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't know that either.

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_05]: There you go.

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Another critic I actually, I grew up with this because I used to get his books all the time in the library or even at the bookstore which is Linda Moulton.

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I know some, some of the love of my hate them because though some films he does give his famous bomb reading.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_05]: They made fun of him. I'm just reciting theater and you gave on forgiven a two out of four and you gave laser blast a better higher review.

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_05]: And then he appears on himself like later for the Gorgon episode and that's just kind of him just hammered it up I I just already knew about him even before I knew that he was a critic just because he would appear on home video media for like little rascals and free stuges.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_05]: So he just was always kind of hosting retrospects on AMC and so I was like I everyone kind of knew who he was even if no one was doing the impression of him.

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_06]: He was wanting to make fun of himself because even Grimans too he makes the appearance.

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I forgot about that.

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_05]: So I kind of find him over hyped but I don't hate him per se.

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_05]: No, I'm just kind of like okay well I don't even know where you're going with this but then there's other ones that I'm surprised even like like he had like a more he always updates his books and reviews like every year I don't even know how he makes any money at it but he does and apparently really liked badass describing it as a mix of death wish and

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Grand Torino the Danny Trejo movie and I was like well I didn't expect it like that one but okay.

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_05]: And Michael Phillips was another one who was kind of doing some

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh yeah contributions to Chicago Tribune but he just seemed to just kind of just find everything just

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_05]: you know didn't even try or bigoted like when they started filming for you but that's where it annoyed me and it's like when at least when they got comedians like I used to tie a

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_05]: dollar they were just fine. They're having fun and joking about what stupid movie they had seen like the work around you know.

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_06]: We even like Kevin Smith was able to have fun with that when he came on the one time.

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah I'm sure he did because for whatever reason they just started it's like the funnier you were the more they wanted you to just do a guest review and it's like well

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_05]: to me I can't blame them and at the same time it sometimes just seemed like a ratings grab or

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_05]: That's true. Just because that was the first person available.

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_05]: I know other people also kind of bash A. O. Scott and I have never had an issue with him. I stopped reading the Wall Street Journal but that was for political reasons that wasn't for you know I always found the entertainment section very intriguing.

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Sometimes he would kind of if there was a vague review it often wasn't really by him it was by someone else and I was just like so basically it sounds like he just walked out of the movie after walk is lost interest because I don't know what

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_05]: There's no star rating so I can't determine what you're going for.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Sometimes entertainment weekly could be fun but other times it was just like what the fuck are you guys talking about and I always appreciated Scott's just few points on again he's kind of looking at how figurative the movie is with what it's trying to say or do and

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I know he's another one who I think he did not like the first Avengers and some of the other kind of giant spectacles and he was just like hey but I'm just being honest by the time I got interested you know and they start blowing shit up I'm kind of already was just looking at my watch.

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_05]: James Brodernell speaking of which is another one on real views who I really do dig and he was the same way often he would just and he's like maybe the only one who I can think of who likes all the Star Wars and Terminator movies I have not even get

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Wow

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_05]: like and he's all about just he has to feel something and so yes he often would not even bother with something like the Expendables or Transformers and

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_05]: you like some of the Avengers but he was all about just doesn't feel like a episode of TV versus

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_05]: this or that but he would even on a movie he would give like essentially what is a five out of ten star review for he would still kind of essentially say you gotta

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_05]: admire a bad guy who's willing to do you know do the unthinkable what like kill kids or just you know smile while he's dispatching various people and I think he was just interesting in that he would

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_05]: he really was just all about is like here's the deal is like the this movie wants to be this and I think it could be like this so I was like okay so he's at least

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_05]: being very helpful and I more often than not even if I just absolutely hated a certain art house movie he was in I never felt like he was a sell out well yeah

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_05]: but yeah real reviews and then there was David Neusser real film reviews not to be confused and

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_05]: he never held back I don't know if he's like Israeli or whatever but he he absolutely like if he did not like a dogma 95 style movie or a festival film he would give it a half star review I know he gave half star review the Pacific Ram he was like

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_05]: there's nothing in this to relate to on an anime or sci-fi mayhem and he would even give giant star star reviews to giant blockbuster movies like Prometheus salt or street kings and just say hey

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_05]: for all its flaws the third half really does make it up and I know he liked the first expendables and he would even occasionally review some TV and I was like

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_05]: he would even review direct video movies on occasion saying hey this should appeal to those looking for a Sunday more night movie

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_06]: well at least he's not fully trashed of people who watch those type of films

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah and I would see some people when I would share a review they'd be like uh huh item why is he using that certain grammar I'm like can you not detect the passion in here I'm not detecting a snob who's just

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_05]: you know saying whatever just to make the word count

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_06]: well it sounds like he is passionate about that and he he doesn't understand the film he'll at least try to find something

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_00]: totally

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[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_05]: so shout out to Matt Porriere the director of video connoisseur Mitch LaValle of the video vacuum and obviously Ty and Brett the brothers of come on Mitch's reviews

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_05]: there's even a few other people on blu-ray.com and I own a dark I think is his name and he just pisses me off just because he just instantly just assumes that because people who are

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_05]: past their prime should not be working on like do you hear yourself you're you are at least on some of the guys who would do stuff like DVD talk or one of those other kind of

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_05]: you know real film or even the Guardian is like okay you might not agree with them but at least they're not trying to resort to the usual cliches

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_05]: at least not very cynical like this guy is very cynical and he was often for whatever reason handed a lot of the video on demand kind of movies and I was like oh those aren't your market anyway so do you just hate your life right now because it's sounding like

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah I had to be stuck with that if you don't like it move on to something else it can't be that hard

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_05]: another one who's often lampoon due to his political trillias which sucks because I kind of found him funny was Kyle Smith

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Mr. Wright for the New York Post and unfortunately I think he's contributing to Breitbart and a bunch of those other garbage sites but

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_05]: he was interesting in that he just would just straight up just he hated art house movies so he would lampoon something that he found laughable like Paul Thomas Anderson's The Master

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_05]: I know when he gave a positive review and freaking the men and ways to die in the West for Seth MacFarlane he's like this is the best comedy of the year along with Noah

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_05]: just making it clear that he really fucking hated Noah but it's great comedy like I can actually get behind that because that movie CGI and confused messaging you know why would you have an atheist filmmaker make a religious movie doesn't make any sense

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_06]: somehow managed to boy you tears

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_05]: I know you hate this guy Mark Cromode

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_05]: that's some eye that I don't know what UK paper he's for is at the car it's not the card and it's like

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_05]: oh was it

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_05]: either way he pisses me off and

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_05]: I enjoy it but

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_05]: I used to kind of like his messaging but yeah aside from liking or Haiti Michael Bay is

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_05]: that you just look at all his comments on IMDB like he did a shitty like

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_05]: docus drama with William freakin of the exorcist because he's like apparently religious nutcase and then he's like on record saying

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_05]: calling movies like we're the Miller's lowest common denominator dominator crest stupid humor

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_05]: watching documentary movies even just beating up on other stuff and just saying just random stuff is like are you just saying anything just to again make the word count like

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_05]: on Riddick it thinks it's quite funny that's the really annoying thing I'm like that's it's not trying to be funny last I checked but okay

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_05]: even stupid movies like

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_05]: AI you know our official intelligence who wants to defend and then section of the city to he's like my expectations for the low and I would say they were met I'm like what okay I don't think anyone was thinking it was going to be worse but

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_06]: he's one that

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_06]: like I said he used to be kind of I'm watching interviews but over time it's we might restart and go downhill quick

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_05]: which and I can't respect anyone who wants to praise the Twilight movies this is like no no no no

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_05]: obviously I didn't know that he is a huge fan Mr. Komode and he defends them and I'm just like you hear yourself you know his lines get giving you extra money what's going on here cause

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_06]: it's just like anything to praise but those films but it's reached a home man

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_06]: yes

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_06]: like you go out to the bay

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_06]: well he does but yet you give Twilight a pass explain that to me

[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_05]: that's what I'm trying to figure out

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_05]: but then he has just even generic reviews when it's like even a positive

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_05]: review for like the Martian he's like I really enjoyed it so much that I would have to sit down and watch the whole thing from the beginning immediately afterwards this is like

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_05]: why don't you say I will be revisiting it because it is an important movie or something like that you know

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_05]: it's just strange about it but he does

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_05]: he's pretty much a troll

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Rex reads another one who's hated on but truth be told I think he's just an old school guy even though it's very clear that he definitely walked out as some movies he did not like

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_05]: I think he just gets hated on because

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_05]: he pretty much hates all modern-day horror movies and super house stuff

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_05]: he's an old school guy he prefers seeing something like Superman fly for the sky or

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean you look at a lot of the movies he likes he likes a lot of very independent cinema like

[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_05]: he liked this one movie called like knife fight which was like a political thriller movie about a congressman running for office with Julia Bowen from modern family and Rob Lowe and it's like

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_05]: I thought it was good but it didn't get seen by many people but

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_05]: but yeah it's like I at least

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_05]: even if you don't want to call it merit I at least see what he's going for versus yeah again Cromode who just

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_05]: like he's talks about Roberts and Maxis' allies saying they're kind of making these references to Casablanca is like what do you mean kinda they absolutely are

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_05]: and then just starts making non-stop comparisons to all the various movies it's like I guess you really think you're really smart

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_05]: are you going with it though and so I put him up there with Harry Knowles that's right of Joe Blow ain't it cool

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't know he was a douchebag but apparently he is an absolute sages

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_05]: business

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_05]: and it's just so weird because I would read him for a while I didn't really he seemed to just basically like everything so it's like a lot of geeks kind of

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_05]: felt like they had a voice on the internet so kudos to that but much like politics for all the good you do there's a lot of bad you do as well and I'm just like

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah I had no idea there was this is what a blind culture we were in at the time I had no idea he made so many homophobic or again just fucked up references to women and then eventually had to step down while silently step back up

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm just like

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_05]: there were times where basically

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_05]: here I'm a turtle like them because he started getting a lot of his work promoted through him like he absolutely wanted to know what he thought on the premiere of blade two and that's a review that for whatever reason keeps resurfacing on various critic sites and

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Robert Rodriguez was clamoring to him and it's like okay so the cult filmmakers like them but in all fairness they didn't know what a monster or dickhead he was

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_05]: he's even interviewed like for the making of the expendables I'm like why did they interview him oh that's right because he's totally the audience for this but

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah that was strange seeing him there

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah it's like I don't think he's really anyone I take seriously or with any merit he's not really a geek who I find very funny and

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_05]: oh I guess I'll just get on to Gene Siskel and Richard Roper

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_05]: it's just no matter who was Ebert swing men it's just they

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Siskel pissed me off because he just again he just

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_05]: even on a rare occasion that I did agree with him it just seemed like he was just being a killjoy like he just

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_05]: hated just all kinds of movies and didn't know how to describe him and then Richard Roper was just so

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_05]: indecisive and inconsistent like

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_05]: he likes movies like The Punisher and

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_05]: he's another one who just basically wants to lampoon any geezer who's getting up there like Clint Eastwood or Stallone but then he'll

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_05]: give like a five-star review to like a Godzilla movie or Pacific Rim and this is like

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_05]: I remember he absolutely hated movies like Training Day and it's like okay but

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_05]: He won't even give an actual excuse is like oh this is just so just wrong wrong wrong. It's just like why is it wrong?

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_05]: I think you can elaborate your critic. I guess it was just good his later years that

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_06]: sometimes when he surprised me with

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_06]: like with some actors he wouldn't normally for us because like in the T2 review

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_05]: he's like I did not care for the first movie but I am required to see this movie and I really liked it despite not liking Schwarzenegger

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like okay point made but

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_05]: it seems like

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_05]: again he just couldn't separate a certain persona and he just was very

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_05]: indistinct at it as describing why he hated the celebrity is like really

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, the falling down review he's acting like oh this is

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_05]: it's like he's instantly comparing it with all the death wishes of the world and

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Evert's like we've never seen anything like this before a cop on the verge of retirement trying to

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Stop a madman who doesn't think he's mad

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Can it really open any discussion panel with him?

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_06]: He was strange with some that like him

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_06]: like loving vampires for Juniors Woods and

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_06]: came with hands with the mask but she wanted not many foscos which is

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_06]: interesting in the hero but

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_06]: like why them of all people of all people yeah great I like performances but still

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_05]: No real concise

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Like even movies that are often lampoon that are often hated on

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Evert would just flat out say is like I really find this movie very intriguing and funny and so he would give up

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_05]: free out of four to something like again

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Congo or

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Again just something that might be a Vin Diesel or the rock beat him up, you know as just he was always kind of looking at

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_05]: He had to just kind of really be in intrigued and it just couldn't wear out its welcome

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_05]: He varied on the James Bond movies. I know he in fact Evert really especially loved license to kill and his life

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_05]: and so it is funny seeing every Evert even loved some of the often hated

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Bond movies like the last two Brosnan one, so I found that interesting because he's

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_05]: He was kind of set for life too in that he just

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_05]: wants everyone to just really be having fun

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_05]: and

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_05]: He would even kind of self admit is like I'm not gonna lie those stunts by Jackie Chan or those very beautiful women are

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Worth a matinee would not hold back

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_05]: That would be honest. That's gonna be honest

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_05]: It's I guess you could even so I guess we go on to internet reviewers some of the bigger youtubers that have been here for a while or Jeremy

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Johns and Chris Stuckman

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah, and the angry video game nerd

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_05]: The Jeremy Johns one I never really

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Watch he seemed like he was hot for a minute, but he was like too clever for his own good and

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Like he electors the fall and comes out. He's like wait a minute. Didn't they already do that in season seven of 24? I'm like, ah ha ha

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_05]: then

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_05]: After a while it just seemed like I don't know

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_05]: He just kind of wanted to lead into the camera and just kind of I got a little bit of narcissism from him and that was just the zero vibe

[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know that that's for sure but also kind of I

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Haven't really seen in a while. So I can't really elaborate on what he's been doing recently Chris Stuckman

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Like we said before we started up. He seemed like he was just kind of all about just give a very dry and just very

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Blood review and sometimes it worked and other times it just seemed like it was a little too much

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I know sometimes well he would be a little too harsh on certain films or

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_06]: He'll defend certain films which are baffling to me like most recently the empty man

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_06]: He tries to defend which honestly into this day, but there you go

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Um

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Another one I mentioned before we start was a great surrender off who I

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Know a lot of people don't care for her too much. That's mostly because

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_06]: She's one of those critics that

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_06]: likes to basically stand with

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_06]: certain companies like Marvel DC at times and

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Well another thing that hurts her is she claims that she has sources with

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_06]: certain people about certain home projects which

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Cannot be wrong most of the time

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_05]: So basically she's some hack from comic book movie basically. Yeah, it's making rumors

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_06]: That's usually how she is and she always

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_06]: You have to two certain actors Jessica Chastain and McCabbell claiming that all people in Hollywood hate them to get

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_05]: There I was that possible. I know we always sell out so

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Get and that's why I told you before we started that

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Chastain especially one that she has some type of grudge against for some reason

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not sure so she still does but I

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Know when I started watching her a little bit

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_06]: That's the one person she always goes out there. She always said that's what that's what ruins a movie so she shows up

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Which am I just childish?

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm like, that's just childish immature

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_06]: It's like what's your deal with her?

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_05]: at least online critic Decker shadow just worse comedy and

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Pretty much. I know everyone was always going crazy about that guy with glasses

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I grew tired of that in the cinema snob after a while

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_05]: And I loved Decker shadow because he would often just kind of

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_05]: He wouldn't act like every movie was beyond

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_05]: disdain or

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_05]: You know potential and

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_05]: When he goes after sega all movies, he really hates sega all movies

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_05]: But he's really just going after him because they you know

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_05]: the

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_05]: the movies are confusing or

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Just pissed them off and

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_05]: He he just works just again just natural comedy into it

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_05]: And I mean he gives positive reviews to all the diehards

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_05]: But he's just looking at it from kind of a thinking man's kind of action viewpoint and I

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_05]: He just doesn't try to separate an audience or even do name-calling like if you don't like this

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_05]: You must be at this, you know mindset and

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, it's more than I can say for pricks like arm and white who's you know been working at the national review and

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he'll claim that certain filmmakers are like Sam Peck and Pog just because they got Corey violence on screen and

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_05]: It sucks because he hates on a lot of superhero movies

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_05]: But often it's just because he doesn't like that there are the progressive material in it is like no bullshit

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_05]: You should be hating on it because you know set design visual effects or plotting and you're you clearly got an agenda

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_05]: And he's like a black Republican dude, and he's just like absolutely like just seems to hate

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Anything just cuz it's positive and well thought out and I can say the same thing about

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Slant slate magazine as well as slant like both those guys. I mean, I don't know why he would take him seriously since they're both gonna basically

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Do just that kind of give a snobby post about something but

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_06]: That sounds like one critic that I could never stand

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_06]: which was Alonzo de Rade from the rap who

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Always seemed very cynical with his reviews and

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_05]: He would always go out to certain action films. I found way more fun just reading vulture and vulture would

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, be honest. Just like hey, this is a B grade movie

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_05]: But it's still a decent Saturday matinee

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_05]: You know and it would sometimes be some of the one only ones who you saw giving positive reviews to disaster movies or video game movies, so

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_05]: It sucked too when sometimes on a rare convenience I would see a positive review for a negative movie or vice versa, you know

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_05]: negative review for a positive movie by the San Francisco Chronicle

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_05]: But it would suck because while I kind of agree with their stance. I still didn't agree with how they worded it

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_05]: it'd be like

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_05]: So whenever I see the reviews it seems like much like Arm and White they just wanted to

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Predict if someone would like a movie like Arm and White would do the whole

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Clash of the Titans has more life in it than something like gladiator Lord rings

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, why are you comparing these sort of sandal movies?

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Nothing even remotely like and then you see idiots like Chronicle will do kind of like

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Is like okay, so Palfield Earth is a

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Technically, yeah, a goofy Star Trek Planet AIDS movie. I still don't know why you gave it a positive review

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Waterworld I think they gave a blessing to as well for some reason which is just even more bizarre for people who do or do not like that movie

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like what you make of it and

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I know they

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_05]: They hated Mad Max for your road and I know you and I are some of the few who can't stand certain apocalyptic movies that are boring and

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, nothing mindless action, but his is weird in that he just goes

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's just not all it is meant to be I'm like you can build on that so

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_05]: These guys just have been around way too long to where they just kind of just say whatever is there

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_05]: And that's what gets printed and you just kind of wish an editor could kind of come in and just

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Say hey, can you give me a little more substance here? What does that mean?

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, wish wish them I would do that because that would actually help us and

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Unfortunately, I think a lot of people are still going to cinema sins and using that as a movie

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Talking point and it's really not and I

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_05]: I get already annoyed enough by red-letter media just because it seemed like

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Again like or hate the Star Wars prequels

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_05]: It seems like they were only big because of that and I could never get for any of their reviews because they were just so

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_05]: wanting to put on different personas everything had to be like

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_05]: 50 hours, you know, it's like

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Multiple hours and just

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_05]: I even hated their Star Trek reviews because they just seemed like they just wanted to have a back-and-forth thing

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Where one of them is pretending to be a vampire who doesn't like to eat humans

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_05]: and there was another guy putting on a different persona and

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Everyone do the whole oh, but they're talking about this talking point in that talking point. I'm like no shit

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_05]: I get that the acting isn't good in Star Wars. I get that

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Star Trek is trying to kind of do too many different things

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_05]: But it might have been work better as an episode of TV, but I mean

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Even just getting to some of his other stuff and how he apparently I think he worked on a movie and it sucked

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_05]: That's more than I can say about the angry video game nerd cuz they every video came nerd

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Pretty much he kind of has just kind of a blunt style

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_05]: But at least he'll just say hey, I know everyone likes this movie

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_05]: I personally find it a boring piece of shit and here's why and I

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Mean he even did his own movie and that movie was campy as fuck. It was just

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_05]: absolutely just him making fun of again just kind of

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Fighting a big boss and someone falling to their death and having to

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Like just run around like a madman and he just really plays up that nerd side and I kind of I

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Embraced it kind of just cuz it's so self-aware

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Some of those critics

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_05]: I do think a lot of sites are kind of related to the rap or entertainment weekly so that gets a little more awkward

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_05]: So it just feels like reviews are very corporatized

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_06]: And he definitely choose the favorites with certain directors which also annoy me because

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Like that's not what you should be doing. You should be discussing whether it has a good enough story or if

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_06]: the acting

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_05]: It's within the tone basically you got to be invisible because like yeah John Cho made crazy rotations

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_05]: So now he is our heart from

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_05]: For critics but before that he was in some of the worst rated movies like a Justin Bieber documentary and you know GI Joe 2

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_05]: And aside from now you see me too. He wasn't all that well liked but

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like basically people have to just make like easy-going crowd pleasers like a pitch-perfect kind of

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, or a

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Again a superhero film if they just want to be recognized in some capacity and if they don't do a good job

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_05]: No one really talks about it because everyone for what a reason

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know they

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Are either distracted by how outspoken the filmmaker is like someone like a Martin Scorsese or

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_05]: What have you and it just seems like I

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Don't know it

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Even when comedians are now doing reviews

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_05]: They basically it's like sometimes they have to awkwardly be serious for a minute

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Even though they're here to just be funny and it's it's just a bizarre mashup

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Never made too many people

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_05]: entertained this was fun just kind of doing a

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_05]: complex take down

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_05]: That worries where can we find critics like you on the interwebs?

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_06]: That's always you can follow me on my Twitter Instagram or the Jonathan Mark

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_06]: And catch up my review for

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Memory for the actual eats coming next week. So stay tuned for that

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Steller steller use whatever platform you got to use

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh