April Fool's Week: Buffy the Vampire Slayer (with Culture Shocked Podcast)

[00:00:00] Hello and welcome to Culture Shocked. The Pop Culture Podcast brought to you by foraging

[00:00:04] millennials and our outdated opinions. I'm your host Mike and with me today is, I'm

[00:00:08] Corey and I'm the thing that monsters have nightmares about. I'm Cam. Your mouth

[00:00:13] is open, sound is coming from it. This is never good. I'm Bubba Wheat, if the apocalypse

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[00:00:26] Into every generation of podcasts is born. One podcast in all the world, a chosen one.

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[00:00:35] all of the world to stop bad podcasts from existing. That podcast is not culture shocked.

[00:00:57] So if you didn't notice today we have guests from the Jacked Up Review Show Podcast. In case

[00:01:02] the people listening aren't familiar with your podcast, could you guys tell us a little bit what

[00:01:06] you do there? Ah, what's like you guys we dissect pop culture galore. We've been doing that since

[00:01:13] 2019. It was just like let's do a dissect of this music band. Why are they reference? You know

[00:01:19] every other movie or show and we even rated the best and worst food restaurants so that was a lot of fun.

[00:01:26] Oh no. That's the worst burger joints and pizza videos. Now that's my land.

[00:01:34] That's an episode I could get into. And the best and worst candy as well.

[00:01:37] Oh yeah. Candy, dark chocolate. Oh my god we did everything but yeah it was just a matter of

[00:01:43] is like we want to do we want to just shut this up once and for all.

[00:01:47] You know all different minds. We'll be doing some movie and TV show rankings very soon.

[00:01:52] And that's going to be even funnier whose team Jason who's team Friday.

[00:01:57] Oh I have a camp there.

[00:02:00] All right if you picked up on my reference.

[00:02:03] Oh yeah and then it'll be even funnier we might even have summers like I like this character

[00:02:08] but I like this movie better because it's stupid or it's that happens.

[00:02:14] No sense of consistency and it's always fun just saying this what everyone

[00:02:21] but it is really a joy when someone just does a hot take

[00:02:25] you know what they pull an Adrian so to speak.

[00:02:27] It's like yeah no shame.

[00:02:29] We have one in every single episode and nine times out of 10 it is Adrian.

[00:02:34] Yeah.

[00:02:35] Yeah.

[00:02:36] Hattily I'll throw the wild card out there people are confused but

[00:02:40] I'm pretty open to most things so when I hate something it's kind of shocking.

[00:02:45] Shocking culture?

[00:02:46] Sure.

[00:02:46] It's quite culture shocking when I hate something.

[00:02:50] My quitmate can be plugged my own fucking pocket.

[00:02:57] I was trying so hard not to say culture shock.

[00:03:01] So before I really get into the meat of the show

[00:03:05] I just kind of wanted to ask I already know Corey you know he just started watching it

[00:03:09] first time watcher.

[00:03:11] But the rest of you I'm assuming have watched the show at least once

[00:03:15] I'll actually let John and Bubba start and then I'll be yeah I guess I'm wondering like

[00:03:22] what got you into the show because it came out in 1997 that wasn't really like

[00:03:27] It wasn't there wasn't a lot of people you know really talking about stuff back then

[00:03:31] like because the internet wasn't as big as it is now so

[00:03:34] I'm just curious like how did you stumble upon this show?

[00:03:37] Oh you're wrong Mike people were talking about it they weren't typing about it.

[00:03:40] That's right.

[00:03:41] The people were out in the streets literally talking to you.

[00:03:44] When it took a while for you to realize they exist.

[00:03:46] Yeah, there are other weirdos besides me watching this damn thing.

[00:03:49] Yeah, seven years.

[00:03:52] Yeah back then that could be two three seasons in somebody say you see the show

[00:03:55] and you'd be like what the hell is that?

[00:03:56] A letter exactly.

[00:03:57] A female.

[00:03:58] It's a thing.

[00:04:00] Oh man I was a burger king kids club.

[00:04:04] How's it remember?

[00:04:05] Yes.

[00:04:06] Just like for me I didn't have cable growing up until I was like in my young teens

[00:04:16] and when we first got cable I just happened to stumble across FX playing Buffy

[00:04:21] and I think it was like 2003 so it was literally like the last season was on the air as I discovered

[00:04:29] this show.

[00:04:30] I was the same deal and just it was Buffy was on FX literally all the time in TNT

[00:04:35] was showing reruns of Angel just not stopped and I was pretty much I was cool to everything.

[00:04:41] I instantly understood why these various TV shows were becoming new addictions so I was just

[00:04:47] as some people were movie guys versus TV guys I was a bit everything kind of guys is like okay

[00:04:52] I understand why this game is popular I understand why people were binging homicide X files

[00:04:57] and that will start galactic guys.

[00:05:00] It's a thing.

[00:05:02] I 100% over the years caught random episodes of both Buffy and Angel and never once put together

[00:05:11] that they were connected not really okay.

[00:05:13] Not once.

[00:05:14] I was actually watching it through this time and Mike said something about well make sure you

[00:05:21] look into Angel too and I was like why the fuck am I looking into Angel?

[00:05:24] He said because he's from the show and I'm like oh my god that guy's name is Angel.

[00:05:29] Never clicked.

[00:05:32] So I guess we'll start with you Buffy.

[00:05:35] How did you get into Buffy?

[00:05:38] I think it was pretty much the same as you guys.

[00:05:42] I'm pretty sure I didn't catch it first run but I think I caught it towards the end of

[00:05:47] its run whenever they were showing reruns on FX because I do know I'm fairly certain that I

[00:05:53] watched the final season of Angel whenever it was first run because I definitely remember

[00:05:58] the whole news about whenever it was like canceled and it was that the WB's number one rated show.

[00:06:05] Oh yeah before the switch.

[00:06:09] And everybody was like why the hell is the WB canceling their highest rated show?

[00:06:15] I mean I tell you right now the WB didn't didn't have smallville when they canceled Angel.

[00:06:21] I don't know if they'd still be around.

[00:06:22] I mean obviously they changed the CW but I just they did not have a lot going on.

[00:06:28] WB wasn't going anywhere but the channel wouldn't have survived.

[00:06:31] Well yeah UPN closed down and merged with them to be form CW it was just kind of weird

[00:06:37] they were both kind of dwindling and they had enough kind of cult shows.

[00:06:42] And I'm gonna tell you when CW first started it was crap upon crap upon crap.

[00:06:47] Like I said they only had smallville really like that was the only thing worth watching.

[00:06:51] Yeah I never watched that.

[00:06:53] Even when the CW DC shows were starting I was really only watching the show because

[00:06:59] it was lined as anyway had been brought back so yeah.

[00:07:03] Yeah those were the two shows I watched smallville.

[00:07:06] Oh it was lined.

[00:07:07] Oh Tully and people bitch so much about how Canadian productions look cheap is like no some of them do

[00:07:13] you can say what you want about some of these other post buffy shows like Teen Wolf and Super

[00:07:17] Natural they're very buffy inspired and they are very that their production values is pretty

[00:07:22] incredible but it's just people watch some of the lesser ones the ones that were really really

[00:07:27] cheap even by Canadian dollars and it's just like yeah that doesn't look great.

[00:07:32] And now they have buffy on the Teen Wolf spin-off.

[00:07:35] Yeah absolutely bring that up yeah.

[00:07:38] Yeah wolf pack and there's another connection to that so Jeff Davis he originally created

[00:07:44] criminal minds and it's so funny how Garcia's boyfriend is played by the actor who plays buffy's

[00:07:49] brother.

[00:07:50] I haven't seen any of the new.

[00:07:51] No it's not good.

[00:07:52] I'm sure she's.

[00:07:53] But yeah he's always had a lot of connections to buffy so he would always sneak a actor in there.

[00:07:59] Okay yeah I like directors that like to sneak people in like that.

[00:08:03] Well it's like you know Jost does that all the time with any of his projects he tries to sneak

[00:08:06] from you had to say his name.

[00:08:09] Well I could say his name obviously we're throw that out there Jost reading as the

[00:08:14] creator of Buffy the Vampires layer we know that there's issues with them we're not going to talk

[00:08:18] about him.

[00:08:19] Okay but yeah like when he did Captain in the woods there were so many different

[00:08:27] buffy versus alumni and then yeah in that movie like Amy Acker from Angel is my movie.

[00:08:33] I forgot how much I like that movie.

[00:08:36] Now we have to talk about him.

[00:08:38] I'm hidden miss on him but I will say that there are some cleverness and you can see why so much

[00:08:46] of the cast like they can't disassociate themselves with it.

[00:08:50] Like James Marcer and Chris Macarbon are I just would shake my head each time I would see him in

[00:08:54] some lifetime sci-fi channel.

[00:08:55] Yeah all the fuck they do the same thing every time.

[00:08:59] Michelle Trachtenberg is a really good kid actress but people seem to just kind of I don't know

[00:09:05] they just don't seem to remember as much from this and I'm like really she's like one of the

[00:09:08] first faces I've ever met with this.

[00:09:10] Actually one of the things that I found out is she actually wrote a bunch of letters to

[00:09:16] Josueden saying how she needed to be in Buffy the Vampires layer because she loved the show so much

[00:09:21] and that is why he eventually cast her as Dawn.

[00:09:24] That's good.

[00:09:25] I'm like wow I guess you know it takes us some persistence.

[00:09:28] He watched Harry at the spy and nearly had to have that girl on her.

[00:09:32] Oh wow.

[00:09:33] He had he had planned to put Dawn in the show three seasons before he actually did it so

[00:09:40] and Sarah Michelle Geller was the only one of the cast members that knew about it before

[00:09:44] they even came up when did she and her like four or five or something like that season five.

[00:09:49] She's five.

[00:09:50] Yep.

[00:09:50] That's a John.

[00:09:52] No, no.

[00:09:53] No, no.

[00:09:53] Just speaking of John we never really we never really got to hear how you got into the show so

[00:09:59] what was the same thing about Yowls that FX reruns and

[00:10:03] eventually I watched most of them when I was in high school

[00:10:07] because I knew her from the school we do movie.

[00:10:09] That's why I grew up watching such a huge show.

[00:10:10] Oh yeah, okay.

[00:10:11] That's how God yeah.

[00:10:12] Yeah it pretty much all makes sense because they would even refer to themselves on the show as

[00:10:17] we are the Scooby-Gain.

[00:10:18] Scooby-Gain yeah.

[00:10:19] Actually first fun fact.

[00:10:22] I know they're not Adrian's fun facts.

[00:10:23] Oh man we're bringing back fun facts.

[00:10:26] The first time the first time they were referred to as the Scooby-Gain is an episode nine in season two.

[00:10:32] Sweet.

[00:10:33] Oh they actually say it in the show.

[00:10:34] Yeah, yeah.

[00:10:35] Okay.

[00:10:36] Yeah.

[00:10:36] Yeah.

[00:10:36] Several times.

[00:10:37] All right.

[00:10:37] Yeah.

[00:10:38] Yeah from that moment forward they're mentioned they have the consider themselves the Scoobies all the time.

[00:10:45] Apparently this one blogger met Rizli noted how they're the first show to use the word googled.

[00:10:51] Well the googled is a verb.

[00:10:54] They are the first ones to use googled as a verb in any media format

[00:10:58] which is like literally anybody would be like Google it and like

[00:11:03] they're way ahead of their time.

[00:11:07] Actually that was right around the time I guess.

[00:11:09] Yeah, there's this kind of other time.

[00:11:11] They were trendsetters.

[00:11:12] There was this before Google was like at the beginning.

[00:11:15] Surgeoned.

[00:11:15] The only reason people don't use Ask Jeaves anymore is because of Buffy the Vampire.

[00:11:20] Oh wait.

[00:11:21] You go Buffy.

[00:11:22] Right now just confirmed it.

[00:11:23] Broke my millennial heart.

[00:11:24] Well, I'm kind of like Stargate.

[00:11:27] I feel like it was kind of the same kind of deal.

[00:11:29] There's like your people didn't think it was going to happen because you're like you're part of a cult

[00:11:33] kind of infamous movie.

[00:11:35] Yeah.

[00:11:36] And then you're going to TV is like usually TV shows based off movies aren't great but I think it's

[00:11:41] one of those people sometimes forget oh it did spawn off of a movie but people the show is so

[00:11:47] notable.

[00:11:47] It's kind of almost like Highlander.

[00:11:48] You kind of prefer the show to the very movies that crafted it because it's just

[00:11:53] so much more that you're getting.

[00:11:58] You can do a band up job and so whenever I see a Netflix show that inevitably gets cancelled

[00:12:05] and waste everyone's time or that doesn't make use of its eight episode format is like

[00:12:09] you guys have freedom in the world.

[00:12:11] You have no excuse.

[00:12:12] Yeah.

[00:12:13] These guys didn't know when they would come back back in the day when people were using

[00:12:16] BCR tapes.

[00:12:18] I listened to Michael Rosenbaum's podcast that he does.

[00:12:24] I'm that podcast.

[00:12:26] I do.

[00:12:27] Yeah.

[00:12:28] And I've also listened to the you know the talkville podcast he's doing with Tom Welling

[00:12:32] and they're all the time they're all the time talking about how because they're rewatching

[00:12:36] smallville and how some episodes are crap.

[00:12:40] And they're talking about like you can understand we had to do 20 to 22 episodes of season

[00:12:46] and so yeah a lot of a lot of those are filler he's like we didn't have we didn't have the luxury

[00:12:51] that a lot of shows have today where you literally only have to do 8 to 10 episodes a season.

[00:12:56] Oh it's kind of worse my dude there are so many shows.

[00:12:59] It all it is that's the main story that you don't have to have filler episodes in that.

[00:13:04] Yeah I think a lot of Lang and Giles have had more concussions than football players.

[00:13:10] That's true.

[00:13:11] Yeah lots of tackling on that damn show.

[00:13:14] Well and it doesn't help that nonstop they would always get notes from

[00:13:21] TV as X who would say serialize it less and it's like well this is a serialized story so I can't

[00:13:26] like not realize it.

[00:13:29] I just kind of wanted to go over each season like briefly.

[00:13:32] I don't want to like obviously if we sat here and talked about every season forever

[00:13:36] or we'd be here for like four hours but just like a lot of key moments so obviously you got

[00:13:41] to talk about the pilot.

[00:13:44] I did find it intriguing that nothing I really realized until I was like really take a notes

[00:13:49] and stuff that this is one of few shows where the pilot actually has a name and it's not just

[00:13:53] called the pilot.

[00:13:54] Yeah and it's so much better than the actual pilot that I've ever seen the pilot the honored pilot

[00:13:59] I have yeah oh my god the dialogue in that.

[00:14:03] I have watched the honored pilot it's on YouTube if anybody wants to watch it.

[00:14:07] Allison Hanigan is not Willow in that she was actually.

[00:14:11] I forgot about that yeah.

[00:14:12] Yeah she's not Willow.

[00:14:13] She's played by an actress named Riff Regan who if you look her up on IMDB doesn't even have a photo.

[00:14:19] No, nope.

[00:14:21] Did you ever see the episode I know you guys are how I met your mother fans did you ever see

[00:14:27] the episode where she references her character by having a dark side in one episode?

[00:14:32] Yeah she makes people disappear.

[00:14:34] Yeah who's there?

[00:14:34] I should and she's like I love that so much.

[00:14:37] Yes.

[00:14:40] I didn't actually write this one down but I remember when I was looking it up it's kind of fun.

[00:14:44] Allison Hanigan is really good friends with pink I guess and pink named her first

[00:14:50] she named her first daughter Willow after her buffy character.

[00:14:54] Damn.

[00:14:55] I don't know that.

[00:14:56] That's coming.

[00:14:58] That's like that's like that's kind of cool.

[00:15:00] Yeah.

[00:15:01] That's like an honor and an insult at the same time.

[00:15:03] He named her after you but not you because your character is more interesting so I named her Willow.

[00:15:09] The first pilot or the first pilot the pilot which ended up being a two-parter episode.

[00:15:16] Eric Balfour.

[00:15:18] Yes.

[00:15:18] Guy who plays Jesse.

[00:15:20] Yeah.

[00:15:23] He was so good I thought in the show too.

[00:15:26] Those two episodes I thought he did well and they just they kill him off

[00:15:30] and then they never talk about him ever again.

[00:15:33] Like this is supposed to be what are the Zander's best friends and

[00:15:36] Hashtag Justice for Jesse.

[00:15:39] Like what the hell?

[00:15:40] I think that was deliberate because Josh Reid and you know he had done some cleanup on

[00:15:46] uncredited re-rides on everything like he added your dick line in the original

[00:15:50] X-Men.

[00:15:51] He most of the dialogue and speed is even his and it was just interesting how

[00:15:56] Yeah, he just

[00:15:58] He even uses at one point a pop quiz.

[00:16:01] Bill does have the characters like interrogate each other on the fly and so

[00:16:06] He brought in his two brothers to do a lot of the writing too

[00:16:09] And

[00:16:10] But yeah, there it is fun like all these shows spotting the before they were famous

[00:16:15] There's this one bit part you know your gauge.

[00:16:17] She's played by Wentworth Miller years before

[00:16:20] Yeah, yeah, that's what the buffy as well. I forgot about that for legends of tomorrow and use a

[00:16:24] Pedro Pascal which I was gonna bring up when we got to season four

[00:16:28] He plays Eddie in the very first episode of season four of Buffy

[00:16:32] Which is the only friend that Buffy makes and then he dies the same episode

[00:16:36] Oh, yeah, that's right the one I remember his vampire

[00:16:40] Yeah, yeah, the thing about joss is I did find out that I knew this one already um

[00:16:46] He originally wanted Eric Balfour to be a title character on the main like title screen

[00:16:52] It just to kill him off in the first episode and take him off afterwards

[00:16:56] But the studio is like well, we don't have enough money to make two different intros

[00:16:59] So we're not doing that

[00:17:01] He was pretty much in West Cravenville which is just ironic because you know

[00:17:05] Sir Michelle's in that and scream. Yeah, so he's always he's always wanted to do that

[00:17:10] Which he eventually does do in season six

[00:17:12] Oh, yeah, baby with with Amber Benson

[00:17:15] You know he puts her in the one credit scene in season six at the same episode she dies by season six they were banking

[00:17:21] Right

[00:17:23] Well season six they were also on UPN instead of WB. Yeah

[00:17:26] You you PN let that let joss do all the things that WB would let him do

[00:17:30] That's just it because they were the hip station

[00:17:32] We got to have a urban sitcom we got to have some start track and then we got to have just

[00:17:36] Anything else that you want to do that's kind of nutty and funny and just

[00:17:40] Whatever I might be wrong about this, but I'm pretty sure you never see willow and Tara actually kiss until season six

[00:17:47] um

[00:17:48] Joss had wanted to do a musical episode ever since the beginning and WB kept saying no

[00:17:54] So it wasn't until he got the UPN they're like yeah absolutely go for it. It's funny

[00:17:58] Because in the broad in the broad spot

[00:18:01] In the broad spectrum of things you wouldn't think a vampire hunting show would have a musical episode

[00:18:06] Oh, it's so fucking good. This show if you look it up like in most places

[00:18:11] It's not even labeled as action comedy. It's comedy action

[00:18:15] They make sure they put that shit first because there's a lot more

[00:18:18] This this shows definitely uh, I mean, it's joss weedon. It's very um

[00:18:23] Campy. It's got a lot of campiness to it

[00:18:24] But it's also got a lot of serious moments. Yeah really fucked up serious moments on it

[00:18:29] No, that's true because there is something to be said for that like and I think it's just

[00:18:34] It gets people all their comfort zone

[00:18:36] Yeah, because

[00:18:38] I mean, I would see people who say I don't like gangster shows and then they watch it next thing you know

[00:18:42] They're watching something like breaking bad uh or I don't care for horror shows

[00:18:45] And they're watching this or x-files and it's like yep

[00:18:48] I'm one of those people. I'm not a big horror fan, but I love buffy

[00:18:51] I actually really enjoy supernatural. I think I think I boil it down the other night when I was talking

[00:18:57] Good contrast my girlfriend about it

[00:18:59] Uh, I was like I don't think I really care for the horror aspect of people sucking

[00:19:03] At getting like they just keep getting killed. Yes, vampires. I think I like

[00:19:07] I think I like the whole aspect where they're

[00:19:09] You know the main character is actually a badass and could fight these things

[00:19:13] Yeah, it in blade kind of and even lost

[00:19:15] Kind of made people just want to gaffa more at

[00:19:18] Yeah, and just have fun

[00:19:21] I love both of those things you just mentioned. So yeah, I mean, I think it makes sense

[00:19:25] Instead of like to say I'm an arise. I'm gonna seduct you now

[00:19:29] She

[00:19:32] Um, like now at the end of the day you're still an asshole who's gonna set my blood and just then I'm flying

[00:19:37] So before I ask about the whole angel thing. I will say

[00:19:41] Angel was always meant to be mysterious in the beginning what she was uh

[00:19:45] He was no, I'm just kidding

[00:19:47] They had no idea they originally had no idea what they actually wanted his backstory to be at one point

[00:19:53] They considered making him a like a legitimate angel

[00:19:56] Ultimately they didn't decide on him being a vampire till they were writing the episode angel angel toluest or

[00:20:04] I X-men totally stole from angel

[00:20:06] It was always since I started this my

[00:20:10] opinion that

[00:20:11] They legitimately wanted him to be an angel and then they changed their minds

[00:20:16] I actually thought that because he he shows up more like an angel when she needs them in the first couple episodes

[00:20:22] Very very like coincidental he shows up. Oh, I need you now that was how did you know I was here?

[00:20:29] Oh, yeah, oh David Bore honest is amazing which was complete was by complete accident

[00:20:35] Like one of the one of the writers that are producers or whatever it just happened to see him

[00:20:40] On the like walking his dog

[00:20:43] And they were like you need to come audition for this role

[00:20:47] Like how

[00:20:49] How the fuck

[00:20:50] Yeah, he gets pretty unfairly dished once in a while. I'll see people who act like oh he's just a pretty face is like no

[00:20:56] I think David Bore honest with I think he's pretty solid first of all sexy as fuck

[00:21:01] Second off

[00:21:03] Dude can act. Oh yeah

[00:21:06] My huge bones still to be yes

[00:21:09] So I love how he's evolved. I've seen him in different movies where he actually

[00:21:14] Well, he's only done like three TV shows, but those three TV shows had lasted yeah, like 10 years each

[00:21:20] They're all huge with long seasons and I read this article that somebody was talking about how David Bore honest might be the best TV actor

[00:21:28] Just based on his longevity

[00:21:30] And in the success of all the shows he's been

[00:21:33] Only has natural charisma with his entire ensemble so he always knows who's okay

[00:21:38] I gotta lead the way, but I gotta let everyone breathe and he's just good at just the various long faces and i-rolls

[00:21:46] And

[00:21:48] And it's so it's a much better character whenever he gets his own show. Yes

[00:21:53] I've said that the many people I don't

[00:21:55] I love him as in jealous

[00:21:58] But

[00:21:59] The rest of his time on buffy I

[00:22:01] Not like the biggest fan of

[00:22:03] I think I think season two is definitely his best. I think like many of the crossover shows they kind of got yeah

[00:22:10] Convaluted with it's still hectic if you want to watch the various crossovers

[00:22:14] Yeah, you really have to do your homework and force you to do your now

[00:22:17] Yes, we don't have to do the DVDs anymore if you want to go on who go on who you can do that? Yep, that does make it so much easier

[00:22:24] Did you David what is DVD?

[00:22:27] Well, I still have them all on DVD

[00:22:29] I still have them all as well

[00:22:31] I still watch them on hulu

[00:22:33] Some people have this on VHS

[00:22:36] They might they might be collector's items on ebay now

[00:22:40] So really the only other thing I wanted to mention about season one only other uh

[00:22:45] Well, season one's not very long. It's only 12 episodes

[00:22:49] Which is on her dumb. They thought of

[00:22:51] Yeah, which was nice

[00:22:53] It's weird because it had a lot of filler episodes. I don't know only 12 episodes

[00:22:58] But season one I noticed something

[00:23:01] very

[00:23:01] similar

[00:23:03] To the whole prophecy thing with with Buffy and I think I think Josh Sweden should sue JK Rowling

[00:23:12] Asshole suit another asshole. I got I like it. I like

[00:23:16] Because I was like wait a minute so she has to die, but she could she gets to come back to life

[00:23:22] Just so she can kill the master

[00:23:24] Where have I seen this before?

[00:23:26] The show is in one must sacrifice himself. Yeah

[00:23:30] Like the prophecy says she must she's gonna die and the prophecy says Harry's gonna die

[00:23:34] But yet they don't actually die they come back to life like it's

[00:23:38] I mean the parallels are too similar to be a coincidence

[00:23:42] I feel like JK Rowling was a Buffy fan

[00:23:45] Thanks

[00:23:46] I think you're stretching but

[00:23:49] I mean, you don't see that does that does okay. There's a coincidence there

[00:23:52] I don't see a catness in the hunger games is a ripoff of Buffy's summers so

[00:23:56] I

[00:23:58] Don't know. Yeah, it's not like there's any other hero out there that I know

[00:24:03] Sometimes the most unlikely characters doing smarter under characters

[00:24:06] I think I think Mike. I think you're a fan of Buffy and you saw that as a parallel

[00:24:12] I would have never picked up on the

[00:24:14] But now that I bring it up it you see it right

[00:24:17] Not really

[00:24:19] Harry Potter is actually a valley girl

[00:24:22] Oh

[00:24:25] I so listen now

[00:24:27] Mike the the title of martyr has been around a lot longer than Buffy and Harry Potter. I suppose it

[00:24:36] Yes, ask William Shakespeare

[00:24:39] Literally Juliet did the same fucking thing yeah

[00:24:43] In really on Juliet so that was way before Buffy. I gotta say

[00:24:47] Speaking of basin characters on people Joss we did

[00:24:52] Partly base Buffy on the X-Men character Kitty pride

[00:24:56] That makes sense. Yep kind of

[00:24:58] Yeah, that's that's you gotta roll a dig for that. Yeah, well, that's one of the things that I found when I was doing some research

[00:25:05] So so I mean, I mean like yeah, I mean I guess kind of but

[00:25:09] I don't know I just taking taking inspiration from my characters

[00:25:14] Not the same as completely ripping them off right no, I didn't say the rip off. I just said you base Buffy base like partially on Kitty pride

[00:25:22] Maybe maybe her maybe the way she acts I guess guys. I'm sorry. I gave Mike the reins

[00:25:28] I call it jack it's all good. It's your show we're gonna go ahead and stop this one and start back over

[00:25:36] What do you think of her dad? Her dad's pretty cool Rupert

[00:25:39] Well, oh

[00:25:43] Even he might as he might as well be our dad

[00:25:46] I mean, he basically adopted dad as well at this point. Well, but

[00:25:51] Corey by the time you make it to the end of the show you'll realize he basically is her father figure

[00:25:56] Um, I already fucked her mom

[00:26:01] He's her new daddy

[00:26:03] That was a funny ass episode. Yeah, it was great. Yeah disappointed. They never moved forward with the rip or spinoff

[00:26:09] Yes, yeah, that's been bothering the shit out of me

[00:26:15] Like like jiles of some bad ass and we just don't get to really know any of it

[00:26:20] I mean you just show the lenses of it every time

[00:26:23] You do get to see it on occasion

[00:26:25] But it never actually gives you like a full backstory. No, I know I looked into that because it was personal

[00:26:30] Oh, totally and this this fucking thing was everywhere

[00:26:32] I would see people at school wearing t-shirts

[00:26:36] That they made themselves I saw that there was an Xbox and

[00:26:40] PlayStation 2 Gamecube games as well. Yeah, Chaos bleeds. I had that yeah, I heard it's actually a decent game too

[00:26:48] Yeah, yeah, it's it's got to do it's kind of fun story

[00:26:51] I mean, it's it's just that standard beat him up kind of action

[00:26:56] Action game, but other than that it's it's fun to play you say it's a buffie game. Yeah. Oh shit

[00:27:01] I know they ever made any games. Yeah

[00:27:04] I think they made two they did me the I only know of Chaos bleeds

[00:27:07] But I don't remember the title of the other one. I think it was just buffie the vampire slayer

[00:27:11] And I want to say it was like an Xbox exclusive

[00:27:15] Yeah, I don't think anybody enjoyed that one as much as Chaos bleeds

[00:27:20] Oh before we move on from season one

[00:27:22] Okay, actually something I wanted to ask that I think it's a pretty obvious theory, but

[00:27:27] Is this supposed to be like

[00:27:30] When she comes to Sunnydale as it's supposed to be like right after she burned down the gymnasium in the movie buffie the vampire slayer

[00:27:37] I think so

[00:27:38] She didn't technically burn down the the gymnasium

[00:27:44] But there was like a final fight at the gymnasium in that movie and then the show starts and they're all talking about how she burned it down

[00:27:50] I assumed it was just supposed to be the same yes

[00:27:53] That is definitely a nod to the movie

[00:27:55] It's it's essentially a sequel to the movie. Okay good then my other question is when they show angel

[00:28:01] Going there to spot like spy on her technically is what he's doing

[00:28:04] But he goes there to spy on her when she's not quite buffie yet the slayer

[00:28:09] Like is that supposed to be just Sarah Michelle Geller doing a little bit of like

[00:28:14] That character from that movie like was that supposed to be like a redone scene from the movie

[00:28:20] A little bit but not exactly because it like they they aged her back a couple years and in the movie

[00:28:27] Buffy was like a senior in high school

[00:28:29] Yeah, and they had to age her back to a sophomore so that way they could you know stretch out the high school years for the TV show

[00:28:37] Okay, so they re-roaded a little bit, but

[00:28:39] Like a run it was like a re-shoot

[00:28:42] Because that they did the exact same thing I'm starting where they were like O'Neill with two Ls

[00:28:47] Yeah, one of one of the one of the biggest things is I guess I

[00:28:50] When Buffy the vampire slayer was made into a movie obviously was joss's you know

[00:28:55] It was his idea like he wrote the movie or wrote the characters and everything

[00:29:00] He was not happy with the direction like it took like because he didn't direct it or anything yeah

[00:29:05] Um, he didn't direct but he is the sole credited writer. Yeah, which is why he decided to make a show because he's like I can do that way better

[00:29:13] Um, and he did yeah, he did but speaking of like the differences

[00:29:20] Seth Green is the only actor to appear in both the movie and the TV show. Yeah

[00:29:27] He's uncredited as a kid in the movie

[00:29:32] I didn't I didn't even catch him I even watch the movie relatively recently didn't someone else play the character on

[00:29:39] I didn't see Seth Green. I did I did catch

[00:29:43] Ben Affleck was in the movie. Yeah, it's Ben Affleck's that all like did you know that this leave his voice?

[00:29:48] His voice is dumb yeah, yeah

[00:29:53] He couldn't get the line right

[00:29:55] He's still struggling with that to this day

[00:29:58] Oh

[00:30:01] That's why Kevin Smith hires him

[00:30:03] Yeah

[00:30:07] The other thing is James Moster's originally declined the role of spike

[00:30:11] Because he didn't care for the movie and he thought that the show is gonna be just like the movie

[00:30:15] He should be such a bigger name

[00:30:18] Yes over for several movies. He was supposed to be the villain in Star Trek Mimicis

[00:30:23] And study about with fucking Tom Hardy

[00:30:26] Fucking Picard. I even know that

[00:30:28] Oh wow

[00:30:29] I think he I think he needs to stop sending casting directors uh his piccolo character from

[00:30:37] Oh, I don't think it's going over

[00:30:42] Hey if it wasn't forward James Moster's piccolo wouldn't even been green in that movie

[00:30:46] Okay, I will give you

[00:30:48] Piccolo's the oh my god part of that

[00:30:51] That is Ernie Hudson's bold head and shall we unfad having a WTF face like what am I doing here?

[00:30:58] I mean there yeah there's glimpses and clips in the movie that are okay

[00:31:01] But I hated that chalian fat was master Roshi that did not fit at all. Oh, yeah

[00:31:07] And it's just one of those the fans hate it because it's not anything like the source material

[00:31:12] It's not just fucking go he's not my Goku literally the only person on the set of that movie that had any idea what the show was or what

[00:31:20] Dragon Aussie was was James Moster's is a huge fan

[00:31:23] Which is why he eventually be ended up voicing the villain and dragon most super as obnoxious

[00:31:29] Oh, okay. Well shit

[00:31:31] So we got something good out of it

[00:31:32] And but man yeah, which is one of my favorite villains and supers

[00:31:37] But he decided to take the role after his agent told him to watch

[00:31:40] uh watch the show

[00:31:42] He ended up watching prophecy girl and he was like oh, okay

[00:31:46] No, this is this show is completely different than the movie. Yeah

[00:31:48] Yeah

[00:31:50] Becoming such a huge fan of the show that he would only read the scripts for his own scenes

[00:31:55] Because he didn't want the rest of the episode ruined form

[00:31:58] Right

[00:32:00] So oh, man

[00:32:02] And I haven't gotten after three seasons. I haven't gotten a ton of spike

[00:32:06] But what I have gotten I can tell he's gonna be like one of my favorite people when he comes back

[00:32:11] Because he's just got that sarcastic edge and he's always awkward and making stupid like my favorite

[00:32:17] My favorite thing that's even happened in this whole show

[00:32:20] Is when he kidnaps willow and zander to make willow cast a spell to make uh what's her name fall back in love with him

[00:32:26] Oh, yeah

[00:32:28] Just so here's before we realized how creepy that actually is

[00:32:31] Right at the end after he put them through a hell of a night. He goes you know what?

[00:32:35] I'm gonna do what I should have done in the first place

[00:32:38] I'm gonna go kidnap her torture and make her fall in love with me again

[00:32:41] And then he's just like love is a crazy thing and he just leaves

[00:32:44] That's like my favorite thing that's happened in the show so far

[00:32:47] First-ever season that that pretty much some spike up so well in the early like

[00:32:52] Before his buffy obsession. I just love that he comes back just pissed drunk

[00:32:57] Which which I didn't even know vampires could be by the way

[00:33:01] Yeah only only spike

[00:33:04] And I and I believe the original plan like um, I think it was the end of season two whenever with the fire

[00:33:10] And he was supposed to die there, but they might him so much that's they just put him in a wheelchair

[00:33:16] Yep

[00:33:17] Which I which I knew fucking right away. I'm like well, he's not even there's no ways bound to that wheelchair

[00:33:23] He was he was only meant to be in five episodes

[00:33:26] Actually, I think he signed on for five episodes and Joss only planned on using them for two

[00:33:31] Uh, yeah, he had such a huge fan reaction that Joss is like all right. Well, I gotta he ended up in like 60 or something

[00:33:37] He's like I gotta keep this guy around but at one point because fans were starting to like him so much

[00:33:43] Uh, and this is an interview that James Monsters has said himself

[00:33:48] Joss pushed him against a wall once it was like

[00:33:51] I will not I am not afraid to kill you off. This is my show not yours

[00:33:56] Like he was entirely like really liking

[00:33:59] Like spike like cuz Mike was supposed to be this evil character. I mean no

[00:34:03] I'm gonna be completely honest with you not knowing this show growing up

[00:34:08] The only two I knew were buffian spike so it was not

[00:34:11] Really all the promos. Yeah, he was in every single picture I ever saw so

[00:34:17] Joss Whedon was way wrong about that the characters make a show not all the writing

[00:34:20] It's not all the writing and directing. I mean even after after he dies they bring him back into angel

[00:34:27] Oh, it's so brilliant too because season five of angels one of my favorites

[00:34:31] Yeah, I just I just finished rewatching season five of angel in it. It is so much fun

[00:34:37] Yeah, cuz of season two of buffies actually my favorite and I think a lot of it is to do with one angelus

[00:34:44] Two spike is introduced and he's an amazing character

[00:34:47] And three just the banter between spike and angels. It's always great

[00:34:51] Like it's never a dull moment when they're back and forth. I want to see more evil David Boryonis

[00:34:56] Oh, more stuff raise the bill. Yes, great

[00:34:59] Well, he did a movie where he was a villain. I didn't think it was good. I don't think it's

[00:35:07] The crow wicked prayer

[00:35:16] He was better at crow wicked prayer not that that movie was much better

[00:35:19] It's pretty impossible. The crows are great movies as soon as you put semi-colle in something

[00:35:24] Her colon anything else it's not a good movie. Well, uh, we could prayer had

[00:35:29] Eddie furlough

[00:35:31] Terri

[00:35:32] Boryonis in it

[00:35:34] Oh, and Dennis hopper. Yeah, oh yeah, he is for god, Danny trans it Dennis

[00:35:41] Hopper doing pimp lines

[00:35:43] It's so incredible. It's incredibly bad

[00:35:47] That's that's a movie Corey will have to do for one of our bad movies

[00:35:52] Oh, it's a movie

[00:35:54] Crow wicked prayer. Yeah, crow frees like the only good sequel in the rest honestly

[00:35:58] If you want to do a bad movies on the whole series, I'll do it except that first movie

[00:36:02] I don't know if we have them except the first one. I still secretly wish friend Emily was still with us anyway

[00:36:07] Oh, yeah, not even secret. I'll say it out loud. That was a damn tragedy

[00:36:12] I don't even know why I said secretly

[00:36:15] I guess the only thing really to talk about season one is the villain uh the master played by mark matt calf

[00:36:21] Uh, he does he comes back obviously a bunch of different times for like not not comes back to life

[00:36:28] But in like flashbacks and dream sequences. Yeah, it was in that one awesome episode after chordalia wishes that buffie never came

[00:36:35] Yeah, yeah, yeah dude

[00:36:37] I'm glad you got to see that because the wishes of great episode. That's a great episode

[00:36:41] And speaking of

[00:36:43] Another fun fact there's fun facts. Yeah

[00:36:46] Onya was originally planned to be played by somebody else

[00:36:50] I don't know the actresses name

[00:36:52] Because she turned it down when she saw that it was only for a two episode guest spot

[00:36:58] You really you really fucked up because yeah, she was only the wish master at first

[00:37:03] Yeah

[00:37:13] But of course as we all know on you ended up becoming a series regular by season five

[00:37:18] So uh, that's a really dumb decision on that actresses part

[00:37:21] I mean there's no way to know back then. I mean

[00:37:24] Well, we might have been intimidated in the audition rooms

[00:37:27] Years before you couldn't hire your agent to say I don't audition bitches

[00:37:33] Diculous and I'm not even saying this just because we're talking about jawsweed and project

[00:37:37] But especially for women back then like

[00:37:41] Yes, you had to really fight you for yourself your agent probably didn't fight just as anyone who's worked with Stephen

[00:37:48] Yeah, the only thing that

[00:37:50] I hate him maybe more than any other actor in the world. You should have played a vampire. You'd have stayed on here

[00:37:55] Yeah, I would love to see him die

[00:37:57] But he never gets hit and everything he's any never fucking gets hit

[00:38:00] That's why we've been saying for a while we got a convincing to do a shitty movie here in

[00:38:05] And just like say okay

[00:38:07] You're done for the day and then we have someone else who playing a stunt a little gets blown up

[00:38:11] But the only thing I will say about the whole jawsweed and crab is I find it extremely ironic

[00:38:15] That he chose to do a show and created this show about a strong female character when behind the scenes he's such a douchebag to them

[00:38:25] Well

[00:38:26] the thing is

[00:38:28] People who are like he is are constantly trying to validate that they're not that person

[00:38:34] So directing and being so in love with a character that's a badass female was him trying to project

[00:38:39] He's not a bad person when in fact he was he was trying to convince people

[00:38:44] I was not a good man. I have progressive

[00:38:47] You know, yeah, no characters and it's like no

[00:38:50] You're doing it just so you can you know have an iron hand over them. I don't think he ever did anything

[00:38:56] Riscay terrible to anybody. I don't think you ever actually assaulted anybody

[00:39:01] No, he never exploded or harassed them

[00:39:04] But he was one of those I think he was just a misogynist to the highest

[00:39:08] Yes, and I'm assuming he scared the shit out of Michelle Trottenberg at one point in time

[00:39:12] Because she came out and said that he was not allowed in a room with her by himself

[00:39:18] So I heard that as well. I'm thinking he just scared the shit out of her once like really bad

[00:39:23] Um, because I don't think Joss is like a pig in that aspect where he's just a sexist prey. Yeah, he's just a sexist prick like he's a dickhead

[00:39:31] He's a control freak who just yeah

[00:39:33] He's an egotistical control freak and if you don't agree with him then he's gonna yell at you

[00:39:39] Yeah, that's that's the impression I get and unfortunately if we ever end up doing an angel episode

[00:39:44] I'll talk about this but unfortunately chrysmacarpner probably got the worst of all that so yes

[00:39:48] She did yeah, she finally came out and talked about it. She hadn't wanted to talk about it

[00:39:53] She can't I think she came out to kind of be in the defense of ray fisher

[00:39:58] Who is the one that gonna drop the bomb on joss weed?

[00:40:01] I'm the star. Yeah, he got everything running and

[00:40:05] Chrysmacarpner's like you know what I've held this in for too long

[00:40:07] I gotta tell people my story although

[00:40:09] I'm more mad at just the people at Warner Brothers or Marvel who kind of knew about

[00:40:15] They didn't say anything is that he's keep letting that happen

[00:40:19] Well, I don't understand

[00:40:21] Well as we've seen with recent scandals like Lee Michelle and all these other people who just will hold up filming to where it's just like yeah

[00:40:27] Okay, well

[00:40:29] Then you either don't work here or you're just a voice actor

[00:40:32] Who we host over zoom because there's no reason for you to be a dick to everyone on set and make them right just

[00:40:38] Punching the thing. It's just no

[00:40:40] That was the best thing that ever came out of that whole movement of people coming out against different directors and actors is

[00:40:46] it made it a little more of a

[00:40:49] Easy workplace for people because everybody's

[00:40:53] Either too scared to be themselves now who the prick I'm talking about yes

[00:40:57] Or they're just kind of staying out of it so they don't get caught which is good then we we got rid of the ones who were the fakes

[00:41:04] The ones who yeah, yes, I'm sending to be progressive who you know

[00:41:08] So as your agenda no one wants to work with her and this is so ironic just she found it me too

[00:41:13] And it's like that damn it

[00:41:15] You did this for your own gain nobody wants to work with Josh weeding anymore

[00:41:19] Uh, yeah wine stain all those bricks

[00:41:22] Even people who are known for just being unpleasant just like no everyone's like okay fuck off

[00:41:29] You're done

[00:41:30] But

[00:41:31] Thankfully jost did give us this beautiful show

[00:41:35] correct

[00:41:36] Uh, true

[00:41:37] Who knows to all the careers who came from this uh even the stunt performers

[00:41:41] There's like free different buffy doubles and they doubled Serm Michelle and like a bunch of other movies and shows

[00:41:46] Some of your Crawford was really big in the Hong Kong movie scene and I know she doubled her I think for

[00:41:52] Michelle Gellers final scene in scream-toe so there's a lot very physical

[00:41:57] That's there's not a lot said about the choreography in this in the show you know

[00:42:00] They did really good with the fighting scenes. Yes after that first season the choreography

[00:42:04] choreography was amazing. Oh yeah

[00:42:08] Well, that a better that a bigger budget

[00:42:10] Yeah, it's just it's very noticeable how

[00:42:13] Slow the fighting is and how far off from looking like they're hitting

[00:42:17] To the second season starting and it's just badass

[00:42:21] It's it's badass, but don't

[00:42:23] Make sure you don't have a sharp eye when you're watching the final season

[00:42:27] Yeah, she will see substantive

[00:42:30] Last minute that's one of the things I look for the most is like

[00:42:34] Just the other day I was watching near the end of season three. I don't remember what episode but

[00:42:38] She kicks somebody in the face and the foot wasn't even close to the fucking

[00:42:43] Okay, they should have reshot that one

[00:42:46] Oh, this is it this was before digital is before you

[00:42:49] The viewfinder and say

[00:42:52] I guess that's true. I think fortunately for you

[00:42:54] Cory, I think Hulu took the

[00:42:57] Remastered edition versions off and put the old ones back on because

[00:43:01] The remastered they switched the widescreen

[00:43:05] I I believe it you could see you could see camera like you could literally see cameras on the side

[00:43:11] And other like and people like like the crew on the side that we're filming you can see them on like the sides

[00:43:17] In some aspects I've

[00:43:20] There's quite a few shows now that are

[00:43:24] Uh

[00:43:25] That that's happened to like I like King of Queens. I'm I like I want to run just watch some dumb comedy

[00:43:31] And King of Queens man when they remastered you can see boom mics and yeah

[00:43:36] Because they felt they filmed it knowing that it was

[00:43:38] Fullscreen yeah, so they knew that that would be cut off when it was tearing

[00:43:42] I'm gonna give Bill Lawrence the director and creator of scrubs a lot of credit here

[00:43:47] He refused to ever film with a camera that wasn't

[00:43:50] Fullscreen there is no widescreen scrubs you can't even get it. You can't remaster it

[00:43:55] He was thinking ahead he was thinking ahead. That's good idea because no, that's true

[00:43:59] I get tired of people making memes saying you know from anything from block from they're being an airjet and gladiator to

[00:44:08] Yeah on occupied cafe on the to the sitcom friends and I'm just like you didn't see that the first 300 times

[00:44:16] Yeah, now you're making it like these people were idiots and then they weren't idiots

[00:44:20] They just different timeline

[00:44:22] But yeah, I have been disappointed by some of the shows on hulu to wears like

[00:44:28] It even did get to wears like I will only watch this show on prime or

[00:44:33] Peacock where it's in widescreen because otherwise I'm gonna

[00:44:38] Again, like you say see more bloopers or I'm just gonna see just a very

[00:44:42] What looks like a VHS to youtube, you know, yeah, oh yeah

[00:44:46] Is this not a good version of the show? I get that they're using whatever's in the vault. That's been

[00:44:52] Erred but then there's other times where they've even done with the British shows where it's like

[00:44:57] Oh listen, we were using a different copy

[00:45:00] We got to learn from Barney Stinson new is always better

[00:45:05] Move on

[00:45:07] Oh

[00:45:11] Oh my god

[00:45:15] Before before I talk a little bit about season two, I know we talked

[00:45:19] We already kind of touched a little bit on season two, which was nice

[00:45:23] There is one thing I wanted to bring up one of the casting choices

[00:45:27] Nicholas Brennan wasn't who they originally wanted to play zanderhairs

[00:45:32] Yeah, he

[00:45:34] I can't see it. I'll explain that role though. Well, it was originally offered to Ryan Reynolds

[00:45:42] He's not enough he's not enough of like a loser he looking character

[00:45:46] And that's what he said is

[00:45:49] He when he was offered the role you know in an interview he came out

[00:45:52] He's like he I love the show. It's a good show. He's like but

[00:45:55] At the time when they offered me the role

[00:45:57] I had just graduated high school and that was fucking awful

[00:46:01] He's like I didn't want to portray a high school kid. Well not only that but like

[00:46:06] Nicholas Brennan has a very good like sad sack look to him

[00:46:10] He's a very attractive man. He's very you know he gets he gets better with age

[00:46:17] But to be honest with you his face

[00:46:20] His face is very like sad sack high school student. He was perfect for it

[00:46:25] Well, it's funny that you say that you know he gets better with age and what not because

[00:46:29] He was working out and everything throughout the show

[00:46:31] And eventually uh the producers told him you need to stop working out because we don't want zander looking too buff

[00:46:38] And he stopped working out and then obviously in later seasons

[00:46:42] He kind of you know, he kind of chunks out a little bit

[00:46:44] So yeah, he's very chunky now. Sorry they

[00:46:48] Well, he's he looks sickly now, but that's because he he's into a lot of drugs and stuff there for a little bit

[00:46:53] That happens man

[00:46:56] Not not so fun fact him and David Boreana's were our best friends for like the long for a long time

[00:47:02] And then ironic

[00:47:04] unfortunately

[00:47:05] Nicholas Brennan

[00:47:07] Was really drunk or something he was either really drunk or

[00:47:11] He was really high off of some type of drug, but he ended up you know beaten

[00:47:14] Beaton is girlfriend at the time and

[00:47:17] Immediately David Boreana's is like he fucking he with mother fnm this mother fn that like he can't stand Nicholas Brennan now

[00:47:24] Even though after he's gotten the help he needed and he's no longer into like all that stuff

[00:47:29] You know i just find it ironic since you know David Boreana's is like this person trying to defend women

[00:47:34] Yeah, he goes and she's on his wife a million times

[00:47:37] I mean trying to get some extra pussy is different from

[00:47:40] Well, yeah, there's there's a difference

[00:47:43] You them as people man, but I know what you mean. Yeah

[00:47:47] There's some imperfections. I don't I'm not saying anything back like I love David Boreana

[00:47:51] So I'm not gonna say I think he's fast up to it enough

[00:47:55] Yeah, he apologize

[00:47:59] I think it was just one of those just

[00:48:01] Got a bigger slightly bigger head midway through bones and there's like okay now now I need to stop fucking doing this

[00:48:08] Yes, it's done. Yeah. Yeah

[00:48:11] Gotta tell you I looked him up now

[00:48:13] He can't as a Jeffrey Dean Morgan look about him

[00:48:16] Who's that

[00:48:18] Natural walking down necklace Brendan

[00:48:21] Brendan has a Jeffrey Dean Morgan. Yeah, oh

[00:48:24] He he thinned out a little bit with this stuff and like there's a couple pictures of him with a beard dude

[00:48:29] And I almost thought it was him

[00:48:34] Oh man, he's also a twin that's weird. Yes as a twin. Yeah

[00:48:38] Yes his twin Donovan I believe his name

[00:48:42] I might be wrong about that. I don't know. I just saw a picture

[00:48:45] His twin his twin actually has played in a couple episodes of Buffy

[00:48:50] Yeah, they didn't they didn't do like they didn't have him play both parts

[00:48:55] They actually brought his is twin and to play you know mirror zander and like yeah

[00:49:00] Because there was there was an episode where zander gets split into his best qualities in his good in his worst qualities guys

[00:49:08] So they brought his twin into play that and

[00:49:11] Lina they pulled a Linda Hamilton in T2. Yeah

[00:49:14] So I thought that was really cool. Yeah, he does have he doesn't have a twin who has also come in to do some

[00:49:20] Um scenes. I don't know which ones

[00:49:23] But he's come into do some scenes when like Nicholas Brenner wasn't feeling well or whatever not

[00:49:29] So it's just weird to have like a brother out there like oh yeah, hey come fill in for me while I do this

[00:49:35] Wow, everybody can get that damn sad card man. Yeah, yeah

[00:49:39] But uh

[00:49:41] While we're on season two, you know, we talked about the brilliance that was David Boreon is with his villain role

[00:49:48] It was just kind of all gel to me um

[00:49:51] Is season two so what what season is it i won't say which character where there's a personal tragedy for Buffy

[00:49:58] As season two is pretty much all spike and angelus. Yeah

[00:50:02] Season two is when that's when buffy loses her virginity to angel and then he becomes bad because

[00:50:08] And I saw that I thought that was edgy, but I was like seriously that that upset the parents television council at the time

[00:50:16] Yeah, I mean it's a habit. He had a moment of pure happiness

[00:50:22] I do think about it even even in like today's terms

[00:50:26] I mean she was 16 and he was

[00:50:28] 200, 200, yeah

[00:50:31] Even when he was in the reason they brought it up though that's the creepier

[00:50:35] I know

[00:50:36] When he was turned into a vampire I'm pretty sure he isn't his 20s so like he would still have been

[00:50:41] Too old. That's true. I mean

[00:50:45] Most

[00:50:46] Old-looking teens. Yeah

[00:50:52] I do love that they address later on in like angel like what are the odds that you're gonna have another moment of pure

[00:50:58] Happiness like that like they made it clear that the sex itself wasn't the pure happiness

[00:51:03] It was the sex with Buffy that was pure happiness form

[00:51:09] I mean it's

[00:51:11] Debatable but I know what you mean. I think all together though. It's pretty tame compared to oh

[00:51:16] Yeah, so he had probably had probably been about a hundred years

[00:51:21] So I think I might have just been the sex

[00:51:24] Well, yeah, I think it was a typical politician move. Oh

[00:51:29] I'm a rose by this but I can't allow anyone else to

[00:51:34] Got a point caught it

[00:51:36] But due to his acting in season two especially in the episode I only have ice for you

[00:51:40] Which is the episode where they both get

[00:51:43] Taken over by the ghost of like a teacher lover and her student

[00:51:47] His acting in that particular is what made joss say okay, I need to get you your own show

[00:51:53] Okay, so that's why angel came to be what's is it season free where they fight at

[00:52:00] Buffy's school against a bunch of amps in the parking lot

[00:52:03] So I guess I start

[00:52:07] and that was an interesting progression because it's like it's almost as kind of lower the range

[00:52:13] Like I'm not sure

[00:52:16] And I do love that because a lot of your shows like this like small though for example and everything like that

[00:52:21] Like the main character never

[00:52:23] Shows off their secret not everybody is in on this secret that oh this person is this but in buffy

[00:52:30] They're like fuck it. These people are aren't stupid. They're not blind

[00:52:33] They see this this girl running around

[00:52:36] Constantly doing weird shit, but for some reason there's less deaths here than there has then they're half a year

[00:52:42] So lowest mortality rate

[00:52:44] Everybody

[00:52:46] She's a vampire slayer like she does it in front of everybody

[00:52:50] I went to high I went to high school. You can't slay a vampire without everybody knowing about it the next goddamn day

[00:52:56] It is not how one of twin pigs words somehow this town in LA is just isolated from the rest of

[00:53:02] And they're so blind to the like it takes until the those kids are dead

[00:53:07] and the they're like

[00:53:10] Invading uh, Joyce's mind to make her start new

[00:53:14] Like it takes till then for the the town to realize there's something wrong

[00:53:18] There's people dying every episode. Yeah kids students

[00:53:22] How many students do they have that the principal got eaten by students

[00:53:26] Yeah, and for the love of god wise that school is still active

[00:53:30] And then the second principal got eaten by a giant snake so

[00:53:33] Well, what about the one in the final season db would side he was really good

[00:53:37] He was yeah those vamps and I can't remember if he dies in the final confrontation or if he's good old a medideal

[00:53:43] Yeah

[00:53:44] Good doctor's a fur oh

[00:53:46] Yeah, but well you know what his main big claim to fame was right

[00:53:51] Besides this I don't so

[00:53:54] Buffy

[00:53:55] Riders David Fury Howard Gordon and company they they went on to the tv show 24 and they brought him on as the president's brother

[00:54:02] Turned president. It's interesting though too like how all these writers are like all

[00:54:08] Interverses with all these different kinds of shows and they all kind of got the same kind of template

[00:54:13] I mean

[00:54:14] Yeah, I know Howard and his pal partner Alex Gonzo they started on beauty in the beast and ex-foss and then they came over to hear to Buffy

[00:54:21] And that's where they pretty much started writing all these

[00:54:24] Traumatic parks with these you know fantasy horror elements

[00:54:27] But now now they want to image for homeland and they now have a new hit show on Fox

[00:54:32] But I do find it interesting how then they got to angel

[00:54:36] And the main show runner on that was Sean Ryan of the shield and Nashburn's fame and

[00:54:42] It's just funny you

[00:54:44] When I watch angel it is interesting me deciphering okay, that's a Josh Weed in line. Oh, that's such a Sean line

[00:54:51] Sean is more dry being a smart ass having characters say an asshole moment and then redeem themselves in a random

[00:54:57] Just lampoonish fight scene and Josh likes to go for more of the same kind of pop culture references and

[00:55:02] And I know I belong to a lot of different like groups on Facebook and stuff for like coffee and

[00:55:08] uh

[00:55:09] You know there's a lot of argument a lot of people who love Buffy couldn't stand angel

[00:55:13] They're like well, I just couldn't get into it and it's like well, it's you know angels a lot darker than Buffy

[00:55:17] It's not it's not as campy. It definitely still has campy moments

[00:55:20] Yeah, there's been an increase in gatekeepers who don't even realize that their gatekeepers is like

[00:55:26] If you do or don't like it don't ruin it for everybody just say

[00:55:29] Right, I'm glad you liked this for that. I don't like that's been off okay cool move on

[00:55:34] I wish that would just happen with every fandom

[00:55:37] Yes

[00:55:39] Just toxic everywhere there's so many movies and shows

[00:55:42] I don't even want to note that I'm a fan of just because I hate the toxicity associated with it

[00:55:48] I think it's also that

[00:55:50] That's uh Buffy is

[00:55:52] Is really like a coming-of-age story throughout the entire season

[00:55:57] Serious and angel is more

[00:56:00] More of a paranormal procedural and they're really kind of two different types of show

[00:56:05] They're very they're really not the same show no, no, they're not um

[00:56:09] Uh someone on reddit uh sit here on a recent post

[00:56:13] Well 11 years but that's his recent against and he's more recent than this show more recent than the show

[00:56:19] Yeah, I mean you know it's out 11 years ago. That was the 90s right? Yep

[00:56:23] Yeah, yes, it might as well be anyway

[00:56:26] So uh is this he notes that angel is more Batman and tone and Buffy is spider-man with the two

[00:56:32] Well they yeah, they even make I agree because they even make the jokes in angel like calling them the dark Avenger and

[00:56:38] Yeah, like always saying he's brooding like he's going to be a little some fun. He really is Batman

[00:56:44] Even he has gadgets

[00:56:47] Yeah, I just rewatched the pilot episode and the end of the pilot episode literally has him

[00:56:52] On the top of a roof looking out over the city of Los Angeles

[00:56:57] Well, if you didn't know already what about that damn violin thing like it's stuck in your life. I fucking I love that you know

[00:57:03] I'm probably not

[00:57:04] I'm probably not in a popular camp here

[00:57:06] But I actually love the angel theme more than the Buffy theme

[00:57:08] Yeah see I love both of them but

[00:57:11] I love I love both of them much

[00:57:14] Can't choose

[00:57:16] Don't kill your darlings

[00:57:17] If I had to pick one to listen to I'd go with angel but uh

[00:57:21] In that very first episode Willow gets an or locker and there's a Nerf Herger sticker on her locker

[00:57:26] And I just I was just like all excited that there was a Star Wars reference in there

[00:57:29] If you have such to realize they do the theme

[00:57:32] Yeah, that band does the thing you might have been fun fact about the theme

[00:57:37] uh the theme was never picked

[00:57:40] Until Allison Hanigan asked Joss we didn't to listen to it

[00:57:44] Did he did she really yep? She told him hey listen to this song from Nerf Herger and he listened to he's like that's the theme

[00:57:51] So then it makes sense why that sticker would be in her vlog. Yep. Yep

[00:57:55] Uh, I actually didn't catch that it was in her locker so it's kind of cool

[00:57:59] Um that connects I just assumed it was a Star Wars reference and I was all excited that she was a nerd which she is

[00:58:04] Well, yes, that's one of her

[00:58:06] She's on a game show. Yeah, and she's asking all kinds of geeky trivia. So oh

[00:58:10] Allison Hanigan

[00:58:16] So do you think this is in the same universe as Alien?

[00:58:19] I'll give a new reason because one of the that crooked legal firm in angel

[00:58:24] They say yeah, so that one of their clients is the way you and Yatoni corporation. Oh

[00:58:30] Oh, mate me. I'm gonna let you tell you. Yeah

[00:58:33] It could be just that they were being funny with it but

[00:58:36] I'll allow it. Yeah, it's the same

[00:58:39] They have never proved the magic on

[00:58:42] Congratulations

[00:58:43] That you are in the same universe as Blader Hunter Alien and Predator

[00:58:46] No, nobody said that it wasn't so

[00:58:50] But not Alien versus Predator Requiem

[00:58:54] No

[00:58:56] Oh boy

[00:58:57] Anyway

[00:58:59] The season finale of

[00:59:01] Well, we were not going through this as quick as I thought we

[00:59:05] No, it's okay

[00:59:07] We don't have to hit every season

[00:59:10] Just trying to hit the like the key point like the season finale too

[00:59:15] Like when he has to ramp him with that fucking sword right as right as the soul returns like that's so aren't wrenching

[00:59:22] Yeah, it's it's very brutal and

[00:59:25] At first you think it's gonna be an over-the-top kind of episode and then he's like oh

[00:59:29] Yeah, I can I can see if you were a fan of the show when it was on that being a really huge moment

[00:59:36] Yeah, but knowing everything I know now in this being my first watch there. It didn't really affect me

[00:59:41] Yeah, now looking back at now. It's like you know, it's just we didn't has a

[00:59:46] Has a running gag almost of

[00:59:50] As soon as his character has become happy yeah, he takes it takes something away from them in the worst way possible

[00:59:57] I mean this happens here with Buffy and Angel happens with Willow and Tara happens with Wesley and Fred

[01:00:06] Oh, that's that's the worst one I think honestly

[01:00:08] I don't know why that one really gets me agree

[01:00:12] You don't even know

[01:00:16] But no they make the tragedies count and they don't feel like last minute

[01:00:20] Which says a lot because I don't know how much it was wait

[01:00:23] No, we got to kill this character off versus Josh saying I'm tired of your shit

[01:00:27] I think I think one of my favorite spike moments is from that episode when he you know he helps Buffy a little bit

[01:00:34] And you know he knocks your cell out which somehow he chokes her and makes her pass out by

[01:00:39] crazy, I'm like I don't understand that pairs don't breathe but okay. They also

[01:00:46] They can't be knocked out

[01:00:47] But you know he makes from he knocks her out and then he carries or he picks her up and then he's looking over

[01:00:52] And he's watching Angel like pretty much have the upper hand

[01:00:55] With uh yeah with the sword fighting like that killer. He's like oh my god

[01:00:58] That's where it does and then he just fucking shrugs

[01:01:02] He whistles and walks away. That's great the bloopers on those discs were always good because they'll always be extension of the

[01:01:08] comedic moments

[01:01:08] But yeah, I do like how much like the lost boys and even play they would joke around about what kind of shotguns

[01:01:14] They're using what kind of knives and so it's like that's cool

[01:01:17] This is reminding the viewer to laugh in between all the carnage

[01:01:21] And I will say the vampire makeup was always very well done

[01:01:25] I forget who did I think it's actually really

[01:01:29] He joss and actually one of the things I didn't write this one down

[01:01:32] But uh joss decided that instead in the movie how they always looked kind of you know obviously vampire-ish

[01:01:38] Uh

[01:01:40] He wanted there to be like a mystery to it where you didn't know if somebody was a vampire right away

[01:01:44] So that's why he did the transition

[01:01:47] um

[01:01:48] Which and the prosthetics alone for that like they look phenomenal. Yeah

[01:01:52] Uh

[01:01:53] David worry honest was quoted saying he's like it wasn't terrible to put on but it was a pain in the ass to take off

[01:01:58] I bet because you got to pull it off your name. Yeah, and they didn't want you to ruin it because they wanted to use it again

[01:02:04] So it already took five hours just to create most makeup

[01:02:07] Yeah, it took an hour and 20 minutes to put on I guess

[01:02:11] All that for like a quick two-second transition

[01:02:15] Nothing compared to what uh

[01:02:18] Rebecca Raman's stamos went through every accident

[01:02:20] Oh yeah, no shit

[01:02:22] Six and a half hours of makeup

[01:02:24] So I guess instead of doing all of the uh all the seasons

[01:02:27] I'm gonna just start touching on like I'm gonna still go

[01:02:30] No you guys are good. I'm just gonna go still chronologically

[01:02:35] But I'm gonna just kind of speed it up a little bit um

[01:02:39] We get to see like in season three that one of the best episodes

[01:02:41] There's two of them that I really want to talk two or three of them. I really want to talk about um band candy for one

[01:02:47] Is a hilarious episode

[01:02:49] Corey brought it up earlier what he was talking about java sleeping with Joyce

[01:02:52] Dear joys with the cigarette rolled up in his sleeve being a badass

[01:02:57] You had sex on the place car twice

[01:03:02] What's a steve-ador

[01:03:05] Uh

[01:03:06] Unfortunately unfortunately, yeah, Corey knows he's gonna get spoiled with this uh

[01:03:10] So

[01:03:11] A lot of people don't notice and I'm sure

[01:03:14] At least one of you picked this up. We noticed uh

[01:03:17] In in the episode the body

[01:03:19] When jiles is listening to his records on the floor like he's not you like he's obviously grieving

[01:03:25] Um, he's listening to the same song that him and Joyce were listening to and band candy

[01:03:29] Mm

[01:03:30] Okay, so callbacks earlier episodes. Yeah, I thought I thought that was really cool um

[01:03:36] That whole episode what we get we'll we'll get there here soon enough um is phenomenally phenomenally done

[01:03:43] Uh the other episode which we also touched on a little bit is the wish

[01:03:46] That was really good. Yeah, yeah, there's the first episode with onion. Yes

[01:03:52] The vengeance demon yeah

[01:03:54] Um is she always the vengeance demon like that's still her thing when she's a regular uh

[01:03:59] When it no because what happens in that episode the wish

[01:04:02] Is when jiles destroys that um that talisman or whatever you want to call it

[01:04:06] She's on a meant she's no longer a vengeance demon

[01:04:09] Okay, she's just a human again. She's just a human again

[01:04:11] So now she has to figure out after being alive for a thousand years or more

[01:04:15] How to be a human how to be a human in this world and um pretty much because if you haven't picked up on it

[01:04:22] Her and zander get together. I kind of like I kind of like that idea better that she's just now a human and doesn't know what to do

[01:04:28] Uh, there is something that happens in season six that does make her turn back to vengeance and becoming a vengeance demon again

[01:04:33] Uh basically zanders an asshole and these are at the altar

[01:04:36] Once a demon always a demon

[01:04:39] So many people died and of course some of them come back to life like well

[01:04:42] That is actually uh like Baba wheat was talking about that's another moment where you know

[01:04:47] You got these characters. They're actually about to have like this ultimate happiness and then they rip and then joss where it rips it away

[01:04:53] He's just they're about to get married

[01:04:55] He even doesn't his other shows and movies too. Oh yeah, he does know time. He loves he loves torturing his fans like consistent

[01:05:02] And as and as employees

[01:05:06] Kind of emotional sociopath if you think about it

[01:05:08] The episode or obviously season three introduces faith which is the

[01:05:15] Third slayer we actually see because in this in season two Kendra Kendra for three episodes she dies

[01:05:20] Uh

[01:05:22] But faith is you know the new slayer that the one actually holding the mantle because you know buffy died

[01:05:27] And she doesn't really hold the slayer mantle anymore, but she still has the power

[01:05:30] There's a lot of people to get confused with that actually

[01:05:33] Which yeah, I don't blame them. I don't think it's easy to get lost because when

[01:05:38] And again, sorry Cory, uh, but when buffy sacrifices herself in the episode the gift and season five

[01:05:45] Yeah

[01:05:47] When she sacrifices self a lot of people are like well how comes another slayer didn't show up is like

[01:05:51] Because she's not the slayer in in line anymore. She's not she doesn't hold the lineage of it anymore of faith does but

[01:06:00] So faith is I thought a lies dash q was an amazing actress in this show

[01:06:05] She definitely played a here's the problem you don't like her

[01:06:09] I hated that she was just the same character Eliza dooshku always is

[01:06:15] The flirty annoying sex craze. She's that in everything they didn't let her be anything different

[01:06:22] I understand that she gets a lot of fan mail from shoe lies and

[01:06:27] James on bob strike back. I'm never been crazy about her. It's just the generic tone of voice

[01:06:32] Yeah, well and that in dollhouse. I just felt like she was just kind of bland but I understand

[01:06:39] Again, she's a fan favorite so I understand the appeal of the character and I think she says all right here

[01:06:44] But at the same time I

[01:06:47] I do apologize for her real life problems and having to

[01:06:51] Uh

[01:06:52] Do with some sexism behind the scenes that that's on cool. Well, that's just unavoidable and hollywood

[01:06:58] I think which is probably why she got stuck playing a lot of those roles honestly. Oh, I know she fan cat

[01:07:04] She got fan cast as the flirty sexy girl

[01:07:08] I didn't think she was was she really that in bringing on though. I mean, I'm sure we have all seen that movie

[01:07:14] I think that might have opened the gate but it went a different way she was like a popular

[01:07:20] cheerleader. I mean, so that's part of that character. She wasn't the popular cheerleader though

[01:07:25] She was the one that everybody hated

[01:07:30] I mean you see it even with like the

[01:07:32] Even the posters for this damn show

[01:07:34] So many of us are kind of like with him Nikita or just showing Buffy Buffy

[01:07:38] Buffy and anything and he's like that's not the show though

[01:07:41] Welcome welcome to the WB5 CW

[01:07:44] advertising baby they always try to sell sex

[01:07:47] It's just like just be you

[01:07:50] Now outside outside her being the normal type cast that she usually is

[01:07:55] She did a good job in the show

[01:07:57] I just didn't like when she was that weird flirty sexy girl. Yeah, so you didn't like the episode or you didn't like her in the episode

[01:08:04] The sepoh when she uh, I love when she fucked

[01:08:08] But but it isn't because of her character. It's because that happened. I love that idea

[01:08:14] Yeah speaking of I really just kicked him out right

[01:08:17] I gotta go show. I want to talk about the sepoh just because a lot of people hate on zander for some reason

[01:08:22] And I do know why he's your typical teenage boy. He says a lot of problematic things but

[01:08:28] He was a teenage boy like what do you expect? Yeah, I think it's interesting

[01:08:33] I've been listening to a couple different Buffy podcasts that are oh nice and the process of going through the show again

[01:08:41] And one of them is like very pro

[01:08:45] Zander like they're they're up to season four right now and you know, you know they they don't

[01:08:52] They they do touch on his problematic elements

[01:08:56] But they also focus on the many many times where he was like a really good guy like the times whatever

[01:09:04] He had the loves whenever he casts a love spell which yes that was problematic

[01:09:08] But then how he treated everyone and especially Buffy

[01:09:12] Whenever she has under the love spell and throwing herself at him

[01:09:16] He was like a legit good guy in that scene and there's a lot

[01:09:20] There's just as many of scenes of him being a legitimate good guy as there are being problematic

[01:09:26] And most of the problematic episodes

[01:09:29] Is whenever he's under the influence of something mystical but not only that

[01:09:33] But like I've actually found myself quite a few times when zander's trying to talk

[01:09:37] Sense into everybody else in the group. He's kind of right most of the time

[01:09:41] Like when he when he like wants to like we got a look at this person

[01:09:44] We can't keep thinking of them as a friend look what they did

[01:09:48] Know that time they're all like oh no, he's kind of right some of the time

[01:09:52] I mean that's the whole point of any show with an anti hero or flying character

[01:09:57] You want him to have their moments of where they're at their worst where they're at their best or where they say something

[01:10:03] I mean

[01:10:04] That's just good writing in general, but it is interesting how yes

[01:10:07] Some people just feel like I have if the characters problematic

[01:10:11] I can't like them. I'm like well, maybe you're just not supposed to

[01:10:14] To be completely honest with you when they're all just gonna decide to forgive angel

[01:10:18] He's the only one that's like are you fucking kidding me?

[01:10:22] He killed everybody you love he tried to kill us

[01:10:26] Especially jiles is you know lover like he killed Jenny which jiles holds off on that a lot longer than anybody else

[01:10:32] Yeah, he hated angel the first time he saw I'm angels like I can't come in if you don't if you don't

[01:10:38] I invite me and he goes I'm aware

[01:10:41] I like it's a gospel. No shit. He gets the gospel goes okay you can come in now

[01:10:46] Yeah, they play in a lot of those trying moments it kind of becomes a buddy

[01:10:52] Show yeah, I do like uh, you know

[01:10:54] I think the reason jiles does forgive so much easier than zander

[01:10:58] Is one's that jiles is obsessed with buffy

[01:11:01] Plus he's a watery knows the job. He knows that yep

[01:11:05] He knows a lot more than most of them do about what the influence was for angel at the time and

[01:11:11] That he clearly didn't know he was doing it. I think he also realizes that it was you know

[01:11:16] It was Jenny that was trying to get him to be re-ensold

[01:11:20] So I think he kind of sees it as like this is what she wanted

[01:11:24] I exactly I need to forgive him. He'd be he'd do her a disservice by wanting to kill him

[01:11:30] Yeah, they needed an internal struggle. Yeah absolutely which anybody any human would do so

[01:11:36] But it was nice with there's really only two moments in this entire show that zander gets like

[01:11:43] A great moment like in the zepo he has like it's a fair it's all focused around zander

[01:11:48] Meanwhile you got them all in the background fighting the apocalypse again

[01:11:52] They're focusing on that. I love that

[01:11:55] I love that you never really find out what's going on there that they're just focusing on zander and the zombie guys

[01:12:01] It's a really an episode

[01:12:03] And then Oz eats

[01:12:05] What's his name at the end of them yeah in the next days like you want something Oz he's like no, I'm weirdly folded

[01:12:14] Which is another another actor young at the time

[01:12:19] Uh was in the zepo. I can't think of his name right now

[01:12:23] But he's in the walking dead. Oh, yeah, he plays Abraham

[01:12:27] Yeah, the guy plays Abraham and walking dead was in the episode the zepo

[01:12:31] Uh, I can't think of his name you kill him me

[01:12:34] Cory's a Cory's our resident walking dead

[01:12:39] So Michael cutlass yeah, yeah, that's it in a lot of things. Yeah, he's good

[01:12:44] But this is one of his early like really early uh oh yeah

[01:12:48] He's in two episodes before he was playing dads and cops. Yeah, he's he's been everything um

[01:12:54] We we already kind of talked about the prom where they give her that that umbrella with like class protector award

[01:13:00] Which was really cool

[01:13:02] And we talked about the zephanalia how there's that lord of the rings battle with the vampires

[01:13:06] Yeah

[01:13:10] And this is where I jump off

[01:13:12] Uh, well, I thought it was I thought it was funny when they when they

[01:13:16] They I guess the whole cast

[01:13:18] cheered when they blew up the library

[01:13:21] Because

[01:13:23] Because all of the dialogue like they they dreaded working when they had um scenes in a library because the dialogue was really long

[01:13:30] In those scenes. Yeah, so they were like

[01:13:33] We got to record in the library today like this sucks like they were all exposition scenes where you had to give information

[01:13:39] Yeah, yeah

[01:13:40] So they were like they were really excited when they blew that up

[01:13:42] And of course I love that the fucking big ass snake goes in there. He sees all the dynamite he's like oh gosh

[01:13:49] Like really

[01:13:52] I have we haven't really talked about the mayor or ours which are two or two of the best characters like the mayor is just such

[01:14:01] He's a fantastic villain

[01:14:04] I can't I can't remember his name right now um

[01:14:08] But just the the fact that they have this character and he is the exact opposite of what you think a villain would be like yes

[01:14:15] Everybody else he has like so nice and he is just like he

[01:14:19] He's like giles to faith

[01:14:22] You know, he has his father figure to faith and he's a good father figure to faith

[01:14:28] Like yeah, really does and he's got this he's got this very jack mcbrayer energy about him where he's very happy

[01:14:33] I

[01:14:35] He's like yeah, so like when he gets mad. It's like a throes shop. Whoa the fuck just happened

[01:14:42] Uh Harry groaning groaning or groaner I think it's that uh that's his name uh

[01:14:47] I love him. I love that uh

[01:14:49] And how I met your mother they kind of brought on a couple people from

[01:14:52] Buffy

[01:14:54] Yeah, like Harry groaner is a Ted stepdad

[01:14:58] Um and the dragon yep yep and uh the guy that plays Andrew in

[01:15:05] The later seasons he's the guy in the coffee shop that the whole swerly thing starts

[01:15:11] I'm glad

[01:15:13] And then there's season four there I didn't keep as much out with the

[01:15:18] government guys who were demon hunters

[01:15:21] Yeah season four is typically the the lowest yeah season for most

[01:15:27] I'd never really tuned into many of those episodes because I was like

[01:15:30] Couldn't get into those the only benefit about season four is that we get spiked back for full time

[01:15:37] Again, I saw it all over the place because again it was on

[01:15:40] That's every yeah

[01:15:42] Over the years. I just saw random episodes don't even know what season they were in we get the character Riley which um

[01:15:48] Weirdly enough there are very very few people that prefer Buffy to be with him

[01:15:53] Really?

[01:15:54] Yeah, and there is a very very small

[01:15:57] There's a very small Riley Buffy can't do a bad job

[01:16:00] But it was just no mark mark Lucas is a good actor but he's his character was like I mean he was from Iowa

[01:16:05] He was he was potatoes

[01:16:10] I know first of all oh whatever

[01:16:13] Yeah, I'm about to say as an Irishman. I am offended by that no

[01:16:16] I suppose yeah go ahead. I'm just you know he's very bland like and

[01:16:21] The only thing that made him even remotely special is he had all that's like kind of had like a super soldier serum and injected into it

[01:16:29] He's like what I'll do

[01:16:32] But when when that all starts to go away

[01:16:34] He's just Riley and like he's boring and not anything that Buffy should be with

[01:16:41] It when he gives her these ultimatums and shit. I'm like you can give Buffy an ultimatum or you fucking dumb

[01:16:46] Yeah, that just doesn't happen to say like in the fact the fact that she

[01:16:51] I mean

[01:16:52] This part of hate is andre for because he kind of talked her in there trying to chase afro of the fact that she tried to get him and stop him from

[01:16:59] You know taking off in a helicopter. I was like no just let him go please

[01:17:03] We don't need him anymore

[01:17:06] He was good for season four. She did it was like a nice little buffer between

[01:17:11] Angel and spike I guess

[01:17:13] I mean just like any show if you

[01:17:17] Again when you had to write 20 episodes if you just don't like a certain five episode are just skip room and get to the next ones

[01:17:26] I will watch him for a college fling

[01:17:29] Yeah, yeah, and you know he wasn't a bad guy

[01:17:32] He

[01:17:33] You know even though I did have that say you know towards the ends like after he well, yeah lost the thing

[01:17:40] He was you know

[01:17:42] Go into vampire houses and

[01:17:44] Yeah, get get stuck off

[01:17:50] But um

[01:17:52] I said it that way of purpose

[01:17:54] I couldn't tell I couldn't it was I mean that's kind of what he was going for there. It was

[01:17:59] Um

[01:18:00] It was trying to draw parallels between there you know him basically going to this like

[01:18:05] It was like parallels between him get like go through prostitution and being addicted to a drug

[01:18:10] Like it was kind of meant to be seen that way so

[01:18:15] You know, I guess even though I joke that who's kind of fitting

[01:18:20] I missed the 2000s

[01:18:23] Right before we all got angry on the internet and start fooling people on the game

[01:18:29] And of course at that moment spike is obsessed with buffy and realizes he has feelings for so he's

[01:18:33] Going out of his way

[01:18:35] To be like hey guess what your boyfriend here's going to these vampires getting sucked off you should probably check into that

[01:18:49] Sorry, that's great. I just I just want to know where these vampires are

[01:18:58] Is I because I have a car and I'm ready to go

[01:19:01] Yeah

[01:19:03] Apparently uh so Seth green you wanted to talk about Seth Green so we'll talk about us

[01:19:08] Same here as freaking Austin powers and you're doing that trilogy back to back with this

[01:19:14] That's actually fun. He I think he left in season four due to Austin powers

[01:19:21] Okay, then

[01:19:23] It was he back and forth doing it was either it was either he left for us the powers are without a paddle

[01:19:28] It was he left for a movie

[01:19:30] I was think it's Austin powers

[01:19:33] The delivery without a paddle you know buffy would have already

[01:19:37] Yeah, I think without a paddle is 2003 or 4 right

[01:19:41] Yeah, um, doesn't fall but Seth Green I guess Seth Green was a little upset with the under utilization of his character in season 3

[01:19:49] So I think he was just more open to the leaving the show by season 4 yeah

[01:19:53] No, it's disappointing because he think I think he would have been a good yeah long-term relationship with Willow and that's

[01:20:02] Oh, yeah, would have gone Tara as good as the relationship between Willow and Tara is

[01:20:08] It's I would have loved to have seen her stay with Oz. Oh, and I also was very good for her

[01:20:12] I think um as much as

[01:20:15] Tara and her was a great relationship

[01:20:16] I think Tara opened her up to what you know she eventually became evil

[01:20:21] Oh

[01:20:24] I think if she had stayed if she had stayed with Oz they could have gone to Wesleyan together and opened up a hacky sad shop

[01:20:31] I mean if you want to I do

[01:20:34] Definitely won't progress the story that that was another

[01:20:37] That's how my mother reference because Seth Green's in

[01:20:43] So I slept him in a lot

[01:20:46] The the whole Varuka storyline

[01:20:49] um

[01:20:50] That a lot of people hate

[01:20:52] Was meant to was meant to last the whole season

[01:20:54] Is supposed to end up being like this love triangle between her her Oz and Willow

[01:21:00] So the reason that episode where she you know eventually gets killed or whatever um

[01:21:06] The reason that is one of the first episodes I saw

[01:21:09] The reason that episode kind of feels rushed is that it's actress and as sauce had to change season 4

[01:21:14] That's why season 4

[01:21:16] Doesn't hold up as well as the rest

[01:21:19] Um like made season you have to change stuff. Yeah, the initiative was never meant to be the main focus to season 4

[01:21:25] uh

[01:21:27] I think it was supposed to revolve a lot more around the relationships like with Willow and Oz and in

[01:21:32] Buffy and Riley like we weren't really supposed to know a lot about the initiative until season 5 so

[01:21:37] I think uh

[01:21:38] He got pushed into doing that

[01:21:40] Which is whatever because the odds you know Oz Seth Green left the show

[01:21:44] So he kind of had to make the initiative more of a focus which was which is fine

[01:21:48] She's a force not awful. It's just it's definitely the worst I think of of this series

[01:21:53] But there's always a week season of a show in the middle like

[01:21:57] Except breaking bad. It's true

[01:22:02] Uh

[01:22:03] But yes, Seth Green killed it as Oz not a typical Seth Green role

[01:22:07] No and I fucking I don't even know he was in the show

[01:22:11] It's one of his first roles as an actor kind of tragic though too the way he goes away is like hey

[01:22:16] I got to stake you now and it's like

[01:22:20] I kind of love the like I didn't know Seth Green was ever in the show like and I'm a huge Seth Green fan

[01:22:26] And uh, I was watching the show and he showed up with the dingo

[01:22:30] Dingo is a dingo's a my baby uh band and I was like oh cool

[01:22:34] He's gonna be in an episode

[01:22:35] I didn't realize he was actually gonna be like in the credits in the next year. Yeah

[01:22:38] He's the main character for a really it really made me happy because I love Seth Green

[01:22:42] They were planning on bringing him back in angel for season five, but they never did end up getting to

[01:22:48] Uh, either season five or season six because joss had more seasons for angel planned. How many did that go

[01:22:55] Five five okay. Yeah

[01:22:58] The story behind the story behind that kind of and this this I'll give joss we in props for

[01:23:04] season four was kind of a mess in angel it goes a big mess

[01:23:09] I run a lot of that for being a mess and buffy a lot of that's to do with the whole charisma carpenter stuff and whatnot

[01:23:15] Which we won't get into

[01:23:17] But show the show didn't do so a ratings-wise for season four. So yeah, I think it was part of the WB switch and people not realizing

[01:23:25] Oh, it's reliable. Yeah

[01:23:27] The studio um

[01:23:29] They

[01:23:30] They were kind of iffy about renewing angel for season four and then they were really iffy about renewing it for season five

[01:23:36] Which I think season five was like their their one of their best

[01:23:40] And

[01:23:41] You know joss at the beginning of season five before they really got like into it into it

[01:23:46] Uh, he went to them and said hey look I knew you guys wait till the last minutes

[01:23:50] It's say whether or not you're gonna renew a show or not, but you know

[01:23:52] These people they got jobs and I I want them to know whether or not they need to look for another job after this after this year

[01:23:59] So I need to he's like I need to know now or you guys gonna renew it or are you gonna cancel it?

[01:24:03] So they're like well if you're gonna be that way we're gonna cancel it after this season after the season

[01:24:09] So he's okay

[01:24:11] So you know, he was kind of trying to look out for his you know his staff and whatnot

[01:24:16] So I mean, I do give him props for that but

[01:24:19] So angel got canceled after the fifth season due to him kind of being more pushy once again final battle

[01:24:25] Yeah, which you don't ever unless you read the comics which

[01:24:29] I don't know if any of you ever have I was gonna ask

[01:24:31] If you read any of the

[01:24:32] My mind of course comments. Yeah, I've got about the first

[01:24:35] I've got about the first ten of after the fall that the angel season six and I have the entire run of buffy season eight

[01:24:41] Okay, okay nice

[01:24:43] So they continued these storylines through comics yeah

[01:24:46] To ten it's actually kind of exciting to know because I'm looking for

[01:24:50] I like comic books maybe more than movies or TV so I think they did up to season 12 in buffy

[01:24:56] Yeah, at one point sander ends up with dawn and they have a kid

[01:25:01] Which is a lot of people are weirded out by that but

[01:25:04] That's probably because of the actors controversy

[01:25:06] Yeah, but if you really think about that there there isn't a huge age difference between them in the show like character wise

[01:25:12] Like so I don't know why people are weirded out by it

[01:25:15] I do like comics based on movies in TV because it does give the creators another

[01:25:20] opportunity to revisit stuff and yeah some of them are lame because they don't

[01:25:26] They pretty much focus too much on just

[01:25:29] sketching in the actors persona into the character and not really having good writing

[01:25:33] But I think these ones were a hit because

[01:25:36] They were actually making use of their format

[01:25:38] One of the biggest disappointments of my

[01:25:41] TV to comic life was when heroes got canceled after season four

[01:25:47] Tam Prings said that he was gonna

[01:25:50] He I will continue this on through comics or some kind of media

[01:25:53] It was even at the end of his DVD that he released like a little short thing. This is the last episode

[01:25:58] I'm sorry

[01:25:59] I'm gonna try to I'm gonna try and fix it

[01:26:02] I'm gonna try and do comic books and he just never ended up doing it

[01:26:05] bother me

[01:26:06] Yeah

[01:26:07] Some creators don't know what to do with their name

[01:26:10] Yeah, and I know with Buffy with Buffy they're like I didn't

[01:26:15] Follow any of the earlier comics but they had like a several runs of Buffy comics that were mostly still in TV stories

[01:26:23] Like yeah, he was made into a motion comic

[01:26:26] Yeah, and then season eight was whenever joss weed and he actually came on as is the writing staff

[01:26:31] And he was like yes, so I mean

[01:26:34] Whatever the showrunner is called for comics and he was the showrunner for season eight

[01:26:39] And he was like the creative force and so season eight was considered canon

[01:26:43] Yeah, I do

[01:26:45] I didn't know are the comics canon all the way through 12

[01:26:49] I know that I don't know. I dropped on factor's

[01:26:52] I think there are a few tie-ins that are questionable but

[01:26:57] And then I've I think that the recent comics they've gone in a completely different

[01:27:01] They'd like rebooted it with like a what-f universe

[01:27:08] The main episode I the main episode really want to talk about from season four is hush

[01:27:15] Yeah, major fucking episode if you're a Buffy fan you know that episode very well

[01:27:20] Yeah, this this was like whenever you know fun fact

[01:27:23] This was like people were saying that joss weed relied on his dialogue too much and that's it that it was

[01:27:30] You know it the show wouldn't be good if they didn't have any dialogue

[01:27:33] So he took that as a personal challenge and so that's why are they all lose their voices. Yeah

[01:27:39] I never I didn't get to see that one yet

[01:27:41] It's brilliant brilliantly done

[01:27:43] I do there's there's comedic moments even without you know the voices

[01:27:47] So there's a scene where jiles is trying to explain to them through a projector

[01:27:51] How to kill these things and whatnot like tell them the story of what's going on

[01:27:55] And Buffy makes emotion like staking a vampire

[01:27:59] But she looks she's just doing this like

[01:28:02] Everybody looks at her like

[01:28:04] What and then she quickly pulls she quickly pulls a stake out of her person's like no like this and like oh

[01:28:10] Okay, thank God

[01:28:14] Uh hush I think was I think that was one of the few episodes that was nominated for an award. I know

[01:28:21] Unfortunately

[01:28:23] With

[01:28:24] TV like this it doesn't get nominated for too many things

[01:28:27] There

[01:28:28] It's hard to understand genre. It's like they feel like unless it's not on PBS or showtime

[01:28:34] Then it can't be good. It's like no exactly

[01:28:36] Not at all

[01:28:37] In fact, I do believe the body was also

[01:28:41] nominated for some awards. I think the body actually might have won some awards

[01:28:46] Which rightfully so that that episode is

[01:28:49] Heart-wrenching and wonderfully acted

[01:28:52] I think Emma Callfield has an amazing scene where she just goes off and feels the same way like any of us

[01:28:58] Like she's just says what any of us would have been thinking in that in that moment

[01:29:02] And I think it's just really beautiful especially from a character like hers

[01:29:06] Who has no understanding of like how human life really works

[01:29:10] Yeah, yeah, and I believe the like other than the subject matter of that episode

[01:29:16] That was also is kind of a gimmick episode a little bit because that yeah, I didn't have any music

[01:29:21] Nope, there was absolutely no music in that episode aside from the

[01:29:24] Opening theme

[01:29:26] It's like not no scores or anything in the back. No scores or anything

[01:29:29] It's actually the role

[01:29:31] So they pushed a lot of boundaries in this show in different episodes. Yes

[01:29:35] Yeah, that's yeah, I like that

[01:29:37] They didn't play it too safe

[01:29:38] The first scene of the body was shot in one take and it was around five minutes long

[01:29:43] And that's that's one buffy

[01:29:45] Yep, she walks in she finds her mom dad on the couch

[01:29:49] She calls 911 she pukes and then she's trying to clean it up after she talks to Giles

[01:29:54] Like she's like this just the whole thing it literally follows her around in the house and it's all

[01:30:00] All one shot. It's called a one shot. I love those birdman was pretty much shot all one shot

[01:30:06] It's a great movie

[01:30:07] It's really actually one of the

[01:30:10] Like one of the most touching moments when you really kind of start

[01:30:13] Feeling like spike and buffy could be a thing

[01:30:16] is

[01:30:17] When spike has had enough of the bullshit

[01:30:20] constantly getting his ass kicked by buffy

[01:30:22] That even though he knows it's gonna hurt him because Corey, you don't know this but the initiative the

[01:30:27] Military people they put a chip in his head where he can't hurt anybody like he can't hurt any humans

[01:30:32] It will cost him literal pain in his head seems like a cop out

[01:30:37] But he could hurt demons, but it basically neuters him so he can I just mean that's that seems like a very

[01:30:43] That seems like a cop out instead of giving him his soul like angel. They will

[01:30:47] No, no, I know he eventually does yeah, but it still seems like well

[01:30:52] Let's figure out how to not have spike hurt any humans

[01:30:54] So people like him. I will say the way that they do it in the show doesn't

[01:30:58] It doesn't make you it doesn't make you feel that way

[01:31:01] I hate cop out so

[01:31:04] The way that the initiative works is they're catching all of these demons of vampires and stuff to do experiments on them

[01:31:09] So one of the things they do is they put chips in their head so they can't hurt anybody while they're there

[01:31:14] Okay, so making it like an experiment in the yeah show okay that does hop a little bit

[01:31:20] Yeah, it makes sense and then it also gives him you know

[01:31:24] A character art because you know he basically changes

[01:31:28] It's because of the chip, but it takes like in full two seasons for him to really become a hero character or an anti hero

[01:31:37] I would argue and I do argue this with a lot of people who are primarily angel fans over spike uh

[01:31:44] I think

[01:31:45] The beauty of spikes characters that he was never

[01:31:49] His his human side never fully got taken away from him when he became a vampire whereas like when angel became a vampire

[01:31:55] All vets are off

[01:31:57] He had no humanity and he was in the absolute beast for a long time

[01:32:00] Even in season two when the judge is like trying to fry everybody you know um

[01:32:04] He says there's too much humanity with spike in jursilla

[01:32:08] Still on them, but when he goes didn't touch his angel like he's like there's no humanity here. There's nothing there

[01:32:14] Oh whenever it touches angelus. Yeah, he won't like he can't even judge him

[01:32:18] Yeah, cuz angel and angelus are you know night and day characters. Yes, but spike and spike with a soul are pretty much the same character

[01:32:27] Yeah, yeah because I think deep down spike always

[01:32:31] He was always a romantic even as a fact he's even as a vampire when does he get a soul uh

[01:32:37] Not till the beginning of well actually the very end of season six the very end of season six

[01:32:41] So he has it for a whole season at least yeah

[01:32:43] The show does get pretty wacky because you know you basically these are vampires, but I heard seven was a little out there

[01:32:49] And i'm okay with that. I will say I will say this so

[01:32:52] We're jumping ahead which is fine because you know we kind of got to get through this but uh

[01:32:57] In season six

[01:32:59] Buffy and spike have a very toxic relationship

[01:33:01] mostly because uh

[01:33:03] Buffy when she comes back from the dead

[01:33:06] Uh

[01:33:07] She feels spikes the only person she could connect with because she can't talk to the others

[01:33:11] Um she doesn't feel human really and it scares her but spikes like the only one that understands her

[01:33:18] So they kind of get close and then of course eventually she get they have this like angry fuck scene

[01:33:24] And in the this whole house is crashing around them as they're as they're doing it and you're like what the

[01:33:30] Like what the hell is going on

[01:33:33] But somehow it works like somehow it doesn't well my really sometimes when a man loves a woman

[01:33:39] Right right

[01:33:43] But there's there's a moment in the season you know where buffy's like enough is enough

[01:33:48] I know that this relationship is awful

[01:33:50] It's spike for crying out loud. I can't do this

[01:33:53] Yeah

[01:33:56] So she keeps telling him no and during an episode where

[01:34:01] worst villains that have ever been in the Buffyverse

[01:34:04] Uh the three or whatever they call the trio yeah

[01:34:08] Um

[01:34:09] Then bomb a day

[01:34:10] Yeah, I forgot I was gonna say the three were in like 10

[01:34:13] Yeah, yeah, no the trio which is made up of three nerds

[01:34:16] Which two of which you well you would never you didn't meet Warren yet

[01:34:20] But you know Jonathan because he's the one that gives buffy the class protector award

[01:34:24] um

[01:34:25] Warren Warren makes robots. He makes a sex bot for himself

[01:34:29] But then it's up to starting it later

[01:34:31] That ends up making a sex bot for spike that's

[01:34:33] Yeah, that's buffy never made sense to me when they started going on side boring and then

[01:34:40] Andrew who is uh

[01:34:42] Actually the brother of the guy Tucker who released all the awful

[01:34:47] Whatever the fucks on the problem the hellhounds. Yeah

[01:34:52] Uh so I always they that is a running joke because I was like who are you again? He's like the Tucker's brother

[01:35:00] Uh but

[01:35:03] They think that they're gonna get together and be the villains of Sunnydale and take down buffy which you know

[01:35:08] A couple times they do actually get the better ever

[01:35:10] But for the most part it's mostly just for comedic relief

[01:35:13] Yeah, yeah, there's a prize in there in surprisingly little of the entire season six because that's that's the season that I most recently

[01:35:23] Revisited because on my podcast. I have a time loop podcast and so I I covered

[01:35:30] Life cereal in oh and in shocking detail

[01:35:35] Damn, I didn't even know there was a way to cover live show in shocking detail

[01:35:41] Ah, it's it's fun. I broke it down. Uh, I break time loops down loop by loop so

[01:35:49] Life cereal was like 13 episodes

[01:35:52] Oh my god

[01:35:55] That's actually impressive

[01:36:00] So the episode I'm talking about season six called seeing red

[01:36:04] Uh, the trio gets the better of her

[01:36:07] they um

[01:36:09] They had these like orbs or whatever that could make that made them like super powerful is mostly war they were dragon balls

[01:36:14] Yeah, yeah, they

[01:36:16] They they like they beat the shit out above you to the point where like she was like bruised and um

[01:36:21] Like not her full strength. Yeah, the more the seasons go on basically buffy now must get beat up at the starving episode

[01:36:28] You're like really why so she gets you know, she she's in her house ready to take a bath and spike shows up

[01:36:36] and

[01:36:38] He could see these just he desperately just wants to feel the love that they had

[01:36:42] But obviously it's a really touchy subject, you know, he goes about it all the wrong way

[01:36:47] And if she hadn't been the slayer, she wouldn't have been able to stop him

[01:36:50] So yeah, it's where it gets a little

[01:36:53] That was my corner me about

[01:36:56] It's it's it's a pretty I mean it could be a triggering scene for some people uh, you know

[01:37:00] He's actually a tempester apper and

[01:37:03] That's the moment that makes him go what the fuck is wrong with me

[01:37:08] And he that's when he goes and to seek out his

[01:37:11] That's one okay. That makes sense them

[01:37:13] Even though even though it's a little weird that that even triggered him because he still is a vampire

[01:37:19] But I guess he does have some of his humanity so yeah, I think for a lot of people that are anti-buffy spike

[01:37:26] relationship

[01:37:27] That that is the scene that they always go to as why they're anti-buffy and spike

[01:37:33] But I think for a lot of people that are pro buffy and spike which I think that

[01:37:38] They are a good couple that I think the the good explanation is whenever that happens

[01:37:46] Yeah, whatever that happens it's um you know, he's still a vampire. He's still a demon

[01:37:52] Yeah, like cuz and if that would have been jealous

[01:37:54] He would have taken what he wanted then killed her

[01:37:57] Like he would have been like oh fuck you know what maybe I should go get my soul

[01:38:02] Oh, that's what's weird or two is how

[01:38:04] Then you know by angel he's not only redeeming himself, but then it's just wild how

[01:38:08] He and the others you know our vampires yet they're fighting under vampires. Yeah

[01:38:13] So it always makes you wonder how did they get any blood

[01:38:17] Well that's they they get pigs blood. They that's when once they you know swear off humans

[01:38:22] They go to the butcher and oh, that's right

[01:38:25] And they have various other animal blood too

[01:38:29] Yeah

[01:38:30] What is blood baby

[01:38:31] You can go to the butcher and ask for pigs blood. They don't ask questions so

[01:38:36] I know they actually that's actually a scene and um you know early buffy

[01:38:41] I think it happens in one of the first three seasons where

[01:38:45] Buffy is like

[01:38:47] Doing research on

[01:38:49] One of the villains and she goes to the butcher shop and she runs into angel

[01:38:53] And she's like oh, I didn't expect to see you here

[01:38:56] And so yeah, oh, I never thought about how you get your blood

[01:39:00] Yeah, and then that's in season seven

[01:39:03] Andrew's trying to get blood for this ritual and the basement of the new school and

[01:39:10] Willow runs into him there and you know because you know Andrew's too much of a damn it will all

[01:39:15] Andrew's too much of a pansy to try to kill a pig. So they're like well

[01:39:19] Let's just get the blood from the butcher

[01:39:21] Because at this point warrants a ghost and he's actually the first but that's all that seems to be a running thing through the whole show

[01:39:26] Is getting blood from the butcher yeah

[01:39:28] Uh

[01:39:30] Which did you ever play the game vampire the masquerade?

[01:39:33] No, you can walk around on the streets and to feed fend off your

[01:39:37] Hunger you can pick up rats like in the alleyways and suck them dry and throw them

[01:39:40] I would not be surprised shit

[01:39:43] Yeah, I used to go to a place close down now where people could rent or

[01:39:47] Assemble their own board games and everything in party games and I would not be surprised if there was a huge

[01:39:53] Buffie or blade fan base that also plays vampire the masquerade

[01:39:58] I was a good game. I need to check that out

[01:40:02] And the beauty of it is it really is very free roaming for a board game

[01:40:06] I haven't played it, but I know a lot about it and it is in

[01:40:10] Yeah, I have a I have a group of friends like old friends that did the larping and then I have a different group of

[01:40:16] Friends that are very familiar with the tabletop version

[01:40:19] Yeah, we didn't really touch on a lot of season five which is fine

[01:40:26] Uh the only thing like from season five I really wanted to talk about one we have to talk about the whole bennice glory

[01:40:34] And if anybody's a big buggy fan it belongs to any like buffy groups or talks to any buffy fan

[01:40:40] Like that's a running joke that either you love or you hate

[01:40:43] Yeah

[01:40:45] Just the reveal though when they finally realized that at the end of season five it spikes the only one that still remembers after she disappears because there's like this

[01:40:54] Uh, I don't want to have a what it's like a spell of some sorts. It's like a cloaking spell

[01:41:00] Yeah, the moment that they switch whoever witnesses it doesn't remember that the other person was there or doesn't remember the switch

[01:41:08] But but that only that only applies to humans like demons and whatnot can still remember so

[01:41:14] When they switch and spike clearly sees it and he's there with them. They're all like oh blah blah

[01:41:19] He's like wait, well, it shouldn't be hard since you know bennice glory and they're like what

[01:41:24] And they keep going they keep going like so you're saying that that Ben sublets from the world like no what

[01:41:31] And I just love his reality is like is everyone here?

[01:41:34] Terrible he's not gonna say it wrong, but he's like is everybody here stoned

[01:41:41] I know this isn't what he says, but it's like is everybody here taking crazy pills?

[01:41:45] Yeah, then then they're in the hospital and they're kind of getting the realization because the the spells starting to wear off because she's getting weaker

[01:41:53] Because it's getting closer to the ritual

[01:41:55] Zander's like all right go over this one more time with me and spike goes oh my god

[01:41:59] This is gonna be worth it and he smacks and her in the back of the head which causes him pain because he caused you know physical pain to a human

[01:42:06] He's like all right one more time from the top

[01:42:11] So one more fucking time

[01:42:13] But I think uh

[01:42:16] I think the moment that buffy gets any type of feelings for spike

[01:42:20] Isn't necessarily when he goes there to kill her with the shotgun

[01:42:23] I think that's one of his most touching moments when he decides oh shit

[01:42:27] She's really sad. Let's put the shock onto this side not killer. Let's figure out why she's upset

[01:42:32] So romantic let's know it was kind of funny, but you know, it's weird because that's one of the first moments where you see

[01:42:38] um

[01:42:39] Buffy actually confide in somebody she tells spike before she tells Riley that her mom has a brain tumor

[01:42:45] spikes band there longer

[01:42:46] You have me and then

[01:42:49] Later on in the season when they think spike is the key and they kidnap him and she's like

[01:42:55] This is just a fat pyre so she tortures him like crazy and buffy of course thinks that spike just gave up dawn easily

[01:43:01] But she sees how beat up she beat up he is she goes there pretending to be the buffy bot which she was a completely grossed out by of course

[01:43:09] Um

[01:43:10] But she goes there pretending to be the buffy bot which the buffy bot was programmed to be all like lovey-dovey to spike

[01:43:16] Uh, she acts like that and she's asking questions and

[01:43:20] You know, he's like no glory can never know and you know, she's like well why?

[01:43:25] And she's like she's like because it would kill her if anything happened to her sister

[01:43:28] And I think that's the moment Buffy even gets any type of feelings for spike

[01:43:32] You whether she realizes it or not

[01:43:34] Oh, and this is where again, it does become kind of a

[01:43:38] romantic triangle kind of deal for a while

[01:43:41] Which she loved more

[01:43:43] I mean at the very the very last episode when he's sacrificing himself in the

[01:43:48] In that underground area and in the basement of the school

[01:43:51] Oh, yeah, you know, she's she's holding his hand for a second. She's like I love you

[01:43:55] And he's like

[01:43:56] No, you don't but thanks for saying it like

[01:43:59] I mean, that's really

[01:44:01] It's debated like does she really love him or was she just saying that to make him you know happy?

[01:44:06] I think it was

[01:44:08] In Weedons words he did say I said out to make a b movie and that's what I did

[01:44:14] Critics don't get it and I think that's just kind of just it too

[01:44:17] He was doing it just as part of the fun showing how spike is kind of a one-man army quick question about transition from season three to four

[01:44:24] Because that's where I'm at okay

[01:44:26] How did they handle the jiles whole thing of it because he's like a high school librarian. How does he go with?

[01:44:33] It's it's great. I mean, I

[01:44:38] Yeah, I kind of don't want to spoil it because it's it's really fun

[01:44:43] All right, I guess I'll just find that yeah

[01:44:45] If it's actually funny and interesting I'll just wait

[01:44:48] I mean, I will say obviously they blew up the library. So he's not a library

[01:44:54] He's been on he's been unemployed

[01:44:57] No, there's there's a lot of funny moments involving jiles and not being employed

[01:45:02] Okay, so yeah, we won't we won't ruin that who is all thrown off by dawn like obviously we how I'll had to be a thrown off by dawn

[01:45:10] Just showing up

[01:45:11] Like who is this?

[01:45:13] Why is she here? That's just weird overall to a lot of shows will like have a sister and then dump them without explaining it

[01:45:20] This show literally brought a sister onto it without explaining

[01:45:24] Yeah, it really felt like it like he was again kind of playing with

[01:45:29] With TV tropes and doing things different. I think that's what it was onism. They do eventually you know explain

[01:45:36] Where she came from and buffy does realize that she wasn't there the whole time so

[01:45:40] Corey, she she wasn't there the whole time

[01:45:44] She didn't exist. Well, well, you that's the way you're supposed to think you are part of the spell

[01:45:50] Good I'll stay under the spell

[01:45:53] A lot of people complain about dawn they say she's too whiny and

[01:45:56] Yaday yaday yaday

[01:45:58] But I'm like, I'm like okay, well she's 14

[01:46:01] Um

[01:46:02] Kind of what kids do just saying

[01:46:04] She's going to be a whiny teenager. I don't like again

[01:46:07] It's kind of my same thing with the whole zander thing when people have problems with the way he talks

[01:46:11] Sometimes when he's in high school because I think zander as he gets older

[01:46:16] You know, he doesn't talk like that as much anymore

[01:46:18] He's more mature

[01:46:19] So it makes sense. I don't know why people have problems with annoying characters

[01:46:23] They're supposed to be annoying

[01:46:25] Yeah, I mean we all went to high school

[01:46:26] We know that most people standing around us are

[01:46:30] Just complete morons

[01:46:32] Yeah, so including us a lot of the things

[01:46:34] I have

[01:46:35] I have a challenge such a fucking idiot

[01:46:37] I would have punched myself in the face many times if I could go back

[01:46:40] So I haven't really seen Michelle Trottenberg in too much other than you know, Buffy

[01:46:44] And then I saw her in Euro trip

[01:46:47] That was a huge change for me. She's not a teenager anymore

[01:46:51] This is a where I park my car

[01:46:54] What

[01:46:56] But uh, which you know and I'm okay with because you know

[01:46:59] Michelle Trottenberg and I are actually the same age. So yeah to be fair

[01:47:03] We grew up when we were kids she was a kid so it's so it's not creepy

[01:47:06] It's not creepy for me. I remember the one Buffy group that I was in

[01:47:10] somebody posted her photo shoot from

[01:47:13] I'm axon magazine or something like that

[01:47:16] And uh there were a lot of people like oh my god

[01:47:18] I don't understand how you guys are purving over her because she's so young and blood

[01:47:22] Okay, first of all she's the same age as I am

[01:47:25] So I'm a liar

[01:47:28] I'll tell you and I'll tell you I'll never go back and watch her at this pie now though

[01:47:33] That movie's just gone for my lexicon

[01:47:35] But uh I heard she was brilliant and gossip girl when she was in it

[01:47:39] Yeah, she was she was the best care

[01:47:42] I've never I've never watched it. I probably never well but

[01:47:51] I'm not necessarily willingly watch it but I was I was in the room with when it was on and I didn't hate it

[01:47:58] Well, I have no like if that's something you like. I'm not gonna show

[01:48:02] I like a lot of weird

[01:48:05] sensitive girly things trust me yeah me too

[01:48:08] I

[01:48:09] Not even shamefully I love Robcams so I'm a huge fan

[01:48:13] Me too which let's get to that you perfect segue

[01:48:18] This is perfect segue

[01:48:20] Of an episode. I didn't get to watch yeah, I wish you I wish you could have watched

[01:48:24] And there's so many musical episodes but there's one particular

[01:48:28] Even out of context this episode would have been great for you

[01:48:32] Uh what's worth feeling the musical episode of most sitcoms I've ever seen as usually my favorite episode

[01:48:38] Yeah, you're definitely gonna love it um we find out that James monsters actually has a good singing voice

[01:48:43] Yeah

[01:48:45] We already knew Anthony Stewart headhead an amazing singing voice Anthony Stewart head has done a lot of musicals

[01:48:50] He was in a band he was frankon fredder in the British version of raki or picture show

[01:48:55] At a rocky horror show. No, my bad

[01:48:58] Yeah, what did you say? I said raki or picture. I don't know why I fucked it up

[01:49:04] I do that a lot if you ever listen to episodes and I fuck up a lot of things

[01:49:07] He's not going names and locations. I'm bad with names. It's not good

[01:49:11] But he was also in

[01:49:14] He has small little role in the swiney-todd movie with Johnny Depp and he also did rainbow the genetic opera

[01:49:20] Yeah, yeah, he's a brilliant singer. We get to hear him sing

[01:49:27] Behind blue eyes I think in one of the episodes by the who uh but

[01:49:33] I think James monsters was a very pleasant surprise

[01:49:36] I would easily say that

[01:49:38] He was the third best singer in that episode. Yeah, and he had the peak out the best song it

[01:49:42] I was disappointed because

[01:49:44] And because Tony had has the best voice but he got the worst songs yes

[01:49:49] Yeah, his songs were I mean he got that fucking 80s montage song

[01:49:53] Which was which was cool. I mean typical joss we had thrown in another trope have you guys seen him as

[01:49:58] The on Ted Lasso recent no

[01:50:01] No, that's where Anthony head is and he's a bad apple on there

[01:50:04] Oh, I know he's I do know and heard he was playing like a really bad character

[01:50:09] And yeah, at the same time you think he I think that's where he's now comfortable being a little more trickier

[01:50:15] Because one minute you think he's gonna do something nice and then you know

[01:50:19] It's by the same guys who just scrubs next thing now he goes back to his asshole routine

[01:50:22] I mean he was great in merlin too. Yeah, we're fine. We're finally getting the ripper ass. I didn't realize he's doing head

[01:50:29] Yeah, he played a king Arthur's father

[01:50:31] I like dragon. Yeah, I liked merlin a lot. That was a good show

[01:50:35] I thought Amber Benson had a beautiful voice

[01:50:38] I did not expect that out of her since you know her character

[01:50:41] Was so reserved and like very like malsy

[01:50:45] Yeah

[01:50:46] And Seth Green must have the same agent because she's seen kind of ill she's on all these Nickelodeon

[01:50:51] Type showers at the same time that she's doing this and now

[01:50:55] Guess starring the lore on just about a real movie or show and she and she got the most sexually explicit song

[01:51:02] Oh, yeah, I love oh so Cory when you do watch this episode you're gonna love it

[01:51:07] It's a it's a very beautiful song

[01:51:09] She sings it well

[01:51:10] But at the end they're in the bedroom and she gets laid back on the bed and she starts floating up or whatever

[01:51:16] And she's singing you make me complete

[01:51:18] But the next time she goes to say you make me complete it stops that you make me come

[01:51:22] It fades to the next scene

[01:51:27] And the thing that it kind of skips over is the Allison Hanigan's head goes you know just off screen. Yep

[01:51:35] Nice

[01:51:37] It was very it was very well done

[01:51:39] That's some subtle play there, Jeffrey

[01:51:42] I did notice

[01:51:44] Allison Hanigan doesn't have a lot of singing lines in this. I'm assuming she wasn't comfortable doing it

[01:51:48] Yeah, she she asked her and Allison or not Allison Hanigan Michelle Trachtenberg

[01:51:53] They both requested not to to have very many singing lines

[01:51:58] And that's why Michelle Trachtenberg got the dance sequence and stuff like she got the ballet and stuff in the song

[01:52:04] I did that. That's why Allison Hanigan only got like a little bit although she's as later said that if she'd have known

[01:52:11] That auto tune was a thing she might have attended

[01:52:15] Yeah, she gets the one line in the I got I've got a theory and then

[01:52:22] Actually she has probably one of my favorite lines in the musical. Yes

[01:52:26] When they're during the walkthrough fire line. She's like I think this line's mostly filler

[01:52:31] Like it's just really meta and money

[01:52:35] Because there's no reason to really do

[01:52:37] Here in these types of episodes

[01:52:38] I think these are

[01:52:40] But back when YouTube first became a thing these were the most

[01:52:43] Looks for on YouTube by far along with how many people has buffy killed how many

[01:52:49] Crazy villains were there on the show how many

[01:52:52] Schools did they even go to

[01:52:56] James lost his hat some of the some really good lines too like

[01:52:59] I love that he's like contemplating how to go about it like oh, oh, he's gonna kill her

[01:53:04] Then I'll savor but then he's like no first. I'll savor then I'll kill her. It's like okay

[01:53:09] Right

[01:53:10] He's even conflicted with his feelings for a total turntino moment where he's like whoa

[01:53:16] I got dark fast

[01:53:18] Yeah, I just this episode

[01:53:20] It just

[01:53:21] It came out of left field. I didn't see it coming when I was watching it for the very first time

[01:53:25] I

[01:53:26] Didn't notice like I didn't I didn't expect that to come like because I the internet really wasn't like a huge deal at the time

[01:53:32] So I didn't know I didn't know that this was a thing

[01:53:35] So when I first saw that opening and it was like that weird musical opening instead of like the regular theme

[01:53:40] I'm like what the hell is going on here

[01:53:43] Yeah, and by this point

[01:53:45] every other show wanted to be kind of like

[01:53:48] Twilight zone or buffy

[01:53:50] Yeah, yeah, X-Files and they were giving them a giant budget for effects

[01:53:55] For and I will admit the way it is shot is always very very moody

[01:54:00] Just these guys know how to gaff in the dark. I think by this point

[01:54:05] Yeah, this is where I got really convoluted for me because

[01:54:09] People were going into supernatural and they were also getting into charmed around the same time

[01:54:12] So I would get I wasn't getting the shows mixed up. I was better than that but

[01:54:17] I I really knew that buffy was the biggest one because

[01:54:21] There's so many giant action figures for this show at around that time in the 2000s

[01:54:26] Although it they surprised in the charm to came out in 98

[01:54:30] Yeah, I was curious and I looked at um

[01:54:33] But should bet charm grand for like 10 seasons

[01:54:35] Yeah, they rebooted out people hated but everyone still tunes in isn't slow

[01:54:40] See and I watched I watched a lot more charmed back in the day than buffy because I didn't realize buffy was a comedy or I would have

[01:54:46] Probably what I tuned in charm was just camping. Yeah, the big famed charm so

[01:54:52] There's just something about it today. Oh, what's funny is I had some friends who

[01:54:58] Were very picky about the kinds of cheesy movies they watched and yet for whatever reason they took charmed very seriously

[01:55:04] Despite it had a lot of the same shlocky effects and

[01:55:08] Writing and campiness, you know, but lowbrow

[01:55:12] Yeah, my wife is a fan of charmed and I am not

[01:55:16] And that's what I've seen a lot of charmed episodes and I did

[01:55:20] I would see much

[01:55:21] The one really become a mermaid. This is weird

[01:55:24] What the fuck is going on there? I never understood that one either my dad did because he loved that show because it was air and spelling

[01:55:31] What's worth feeling is really the only main episode I wanted to touch based on with season six the rest of that is

[01:55:37] Like it's crazy willow becoming evil like it's obviously

[01:55:42] I mean, I can't blame her. It's kind of bad. I just completely skitted it alive

[01:55:48] A season six is better than I remembered because I went through it

[01:55:51] I didn't hate the trio as much as a lot of people and I

[01:55:56] Thought that the willow like that the magic drug metaphor was okay, but they

[01:56:02] The one episode where they you know ramped it up to a hundred was yeah, where they really missed it

[01:56:08] Missed the monster when you guys said earlier. It is one of those is like this is where

[01:56:12] It's also fun for me. John and I we tackled the Dracula in 2000 saga and okay surprisingly better than we realized

[01:56:19] But we could find out how

[01:56:21] At this point Josh Widen is taking

[01:56:24] All his actors his heavy weights from his canceled show fire flying bringing them onto here and one of them was yeah

[01:56:31] Nathan Philan is the evil priest who

[01:56:34] Tons Buffy a lot and it was just so funny because in Dracula does and takes and there's eye

[01:56:39] And actually Nathan Philly and originally auditioned for the role of angels. So

[01:56:44] That was kind of interesting sense. Okay, he's Nathan Philly and Zalut all too comedic to be angel I think

[01:56:50] I'm a man

[01:56:53] Like this he's a fun villain because you kind of root for his come up and he's yeah

[01:57:00] It was kind of cool watching sander be the hero like he's the one that talks willow down from the ledge

[01:57:05] Basically from destroying the world all because of broken yellow crayon god damn

[01:57:11] What a cry baby

[01:57:13] The big takeaway from season seven. I know a lot of people who are just disappointed with season seven

[01:57:17] So you got guys

[01:57:20] I do love spikes like initial acting in the first couple of episodes when he's like crazy

[01:57:26] Because he's like I thought that was kind of unnecessary. I mean, I think he did it well

[01:57:31] But I you know, I finished season six and I started going into season seven

[01:57:36] And I was just like oh, I can't I'm not in the head space for this right now like these first season

[01:57:42] Episodes and season seven are rough. Well that and every episode it seemed like that was the notes from

[01:57:49] Even just the studios if not the networks is like just have a funny musical episode that gets everyone off their feet

[01:57:56] Well, that's the the episode you know

[01:57:58] Where he had I think he has this brilliant scene where he ends up laying his body across the cross

[01:58:03] Which obviously is not good for him when he's like finally explaining to buffy and she realizes that he has his soul

[01:58:10] I think that's a very powerful scene

[01:58:12] That scene in particular. I think is so well done and so necessary for their relationship

[01:58:17] But

[01:58:20] Yeah, I didn't care much for the potentials. That was kind of stupid

[01:58:24] Uh the potentials where they're trying to find more people to join the Scooby-Dank gang. I think yeah

[01:58:29] I kind of like the idea. I didn't like how it ended up

[01:58:33] They didn't yeah, they didn't execute it very well

[01:58:35] Where they're starting to do you have a recruitment episode is funny? Well no, it's the whole season pretty much

[01:58:41] Yeah

[01:58:43] Protecting these potentials because there's an evil called first that is trying to kill off not only

[01:58:48] This is where it becomes too much like highlander for me

[01:58:51] We are the watchers we are the guy they're they're trying to kill all the watchers

[01:58:54] They're trying to kill all the potential slayers

[01:58:56] So that way when they kill buffy or faith

[01:58:59] There isn't anybody to become the slayer afterwards

[01:59:01] There you go stop the circle before it comes

[01:59:05] Conversations with dead people was a fucking crazy episode though

[01:59:09] Ever Benson

[01:59:10] Ever Benson was supposed to come back as Tara, but she said she would not do it

[01:59:14] Because she did not want her character be portrayed as evil

[01:59:17] Um, which you know

[01:59:19] I don't know if she didn't want to take her uh

[01:59:24] Yeah, she didn't want to have her character tainted

[01:59:27] I do think that's the like the one great scene with the first

[01:59:32] Was whenever they had the moment where they cycled through all the yes and they in big bad

[01:59:38] And they brought all the actors back for that and that that was a great scene

[01:59:43] I did like kind of like the principal would which is played by a DB what's that

[01:59:47] uh, I did kind of like that

[01:59:48] Tied him into the story by having his mom be a slayer

[01:59:51] And that's the one spike one of the ones that spiked killed

[01:59:54] I don't think I saw that episode

[01:59:55] But every scene I saw him in he just naturally felt like he was part of this as opposed to out in here

[02:00:00] Just where you're like who that was this guy again. Sorry there's too many

[02:00:04] And uh, you know that's where spiked gets his trademark coat from although the studio got his trademark coat

[02:00:10] From a fashion store for two thousand dollars then ran it over repeatedly by a truck to give it a distressed look

[02:00:15] Why

[02:00:18] What I

[02:00:20] What I read that today is like you spent two thousand dollars on a coat just to run it over with a truck how many times

[02:00:26] Hell of a chance too because maybe I fucked it up. Yeah, yeah, there is no redo

[02:00:31] No, not at all. So that's kind of cool

[02:00:34] Then fans would have been like where the fuck is spikes coat

[02:00:38] Yeah, which you know at the beginning of season seven he doesn't wear it for a little bit

[02:00:41] Because he's trying to be this new person and then when he realized that he

[02:00:45] When he realizes he doesn't need to be a new person

[02:00:47] He just needs to be his self without being you know giving into some of his demon side

[02:00:52] He just is like yeah, fuck it. I'm gonna put the coat back on

[02:00:54] I'm gonna be the spike that everybody needs

[02:00:56] That's a great lot of final line

[02:01:01] So like you guys say there's some stuff that's outdated, but there's a lot of stuff to like still it's just

[02:01:07] It also depends on what fan base you're with. I'm sure there will be fans

[02:01:10] Like this is literally the only show they've seen which was kind of my case and there were others who's like they saw it

[02:01:15] But you know they

[02:01:17] Rebe they just because they were into all kinds of movies and shows and this is one of them easily one of my favorite shows

[02:01:23] It's got some highlights. It's got some cultural relevance. I understand it

[02:01:26] I do think sir Michelle is a worthwhile final girl

[02:01:30] Screen Queen. I honestly when Mike told me to watch this

[02:01:33] Because he wanted to do this episode here like that better be good

[02:01:36] It was actually way before you even talked to me about maybe doing it. Damn

[02:01:40] Mike told me that I should probably start watching it and I watched that first season

[02:01:43] And I got to be honest with you after the first season. I was like I don't know. I was like

[02:01:46] I do want to do it, but I don't know if I can get through seven seasons

[02:01:51] But after that second season I was now I'm in love with it and then that same week. I became a vampire

[02:01:56] Yeah, not literally I

[02:01:58] My my sleep cycle got under one and like fuck. I'm holding up this podcast

[02:02:03] Let me get addicted to some CBD then I'll get back to you

[02:02:07] So much very short it works anyway

[02:02:09] Yeah, this was cool going down this memory lane and

[02:02:13] I love how we were all kind of consistent

[02:02:15] I would have thought there'd be like a little difference here. No, I saw when it came to DVD

[02:02:18] No, I said when streaming is like no, it wasn't that was like we all saw it

[02:02:23] Is it Corey's the only one different

[02:02:25] On 24 7 when they would actually do that before it got the media became more corporate and decided

[02:02:32] Oh, just be more boring

[02:02:36] Now I play

[02:02:38] Let's play something that no one wants to see repeated

[02:02:42] Well, I do that now all the time

[02:02:44] So all the fucking time. I don't want to see the real housewives

[02:02:48] Get a new mansion

[02:02:50] It does not entertain me at all if it's a vampire mansion maybe

[02:02:53] Absolutely if you if you're a vampire fan

[02:02:56] If you're a fan of badass

[02:02:59] comedy female characters your bat your fan of like even like um

[02:03:03] If you have a crazy aunts and uncles and relatives who I have it ask to borrow their set and give it back to them

[02:03:08] Be a good. Yeah, you like camping if you like camping comedy you like regular comedy whatever like just check the show out

[02:03:14] It's hilarious if you have the soundtrack there were so many

[02:03:18] Rock bands

[02:03:19] Good soundtrack on the soundtrack. Oh, yeah, we're the singer buffy and credo get in an argument and say we're done for quite a while

[02:03:25] That that song by curb

[02:03:28] I think Chinese burn plays and that's a pretty cool techno jam last fun fact of the night. It's just mentioned bands

[02:03:36] There was a band. I don't know the band's name

[02:03:39] The lead singer was a huge fan of the show and was super stoked

[02:03:43] But yeah also disappointed when joss used one of their songs in an episode

[02:03:48] And uh, she actually wrote him and was complaining about it

[02:03:51] So he decided they he put their band into an episode in season seven

[02:03:56] And that scene where the vampire gets killed in the bronze they're playing live

[02:04:01] And she's the one that says I hate playing vampire towns

[02:04:04] So he made up he made up for it by giving her a line and giving them a spot in the show

[02:04:09] So that's really cool. You gotta do man

[02:04:11] But uh, I think I've said just about everything. I wanted to say I mean I could I could go on forever

[02:04:20] This was delightful chat. I'm glad we could all geek out

[02:04:22] Yeah

[02:04:24] Is there anything else any final thoughts?

[02:04:26] I'll watch that cool little guys if you want it accessible

[02:04:29] If you're not digging it then get together some longtime fans and pals

[02:04:34] It will be much like Rocky Horror where you'll probably enjoy it more because of

[02:04:38] The increased amount of just interactive. I will admit like many shows

[02:04:42] There will be sometimes where you're just like hmm. Do I really like this or and is like just keep watching plug through

[02:04:49] Because season two and three are the best

[02:04:52] Two three are the best I agree

[02:04:53] Cam plug yourself. Okay, as you can see

[02:04:56] uh

[02:04:57] John and I run the jacked up review show and we cover all kinds of movies and tv franchises

[02:05:03] We like doing amusing rankings because like you guys it is just funny just seeing just the

[02:05:09] unusual reactions that we get and

[02:05:12] We try to be just fair

[02:05:13] We don't want it to ever be a rant and at the same time

[02:05:16] We've been mainly going into music band history. How did you first hear about this rock group and why they dominate the airways for so long and

[02:05:26] Bubbleweed it's time to rewind we've had on and

[02:05:29] Uh, given what a buffy guy he was on social media. He's like okay, we got to bring him into the chat

[02:05:35] You gave so many background notes. I had no idea

[02:05:38] Yeah, I'm glad you did

[02:05:40] That's a good segue uh bubbleweed go ahead and plug yourself sure um yeah

[02:05:45] I'm bubbleweed i'm on twitter at bubbleweed

[02:05:48] I've got a couple podcasts right now my main one is called it's time to rewind like I mentioned I go through time loop

[02:05:54] rewindy shows and

[02:05:57] We do one loop per episode. I've covered groundhog day

[02:06:02] oh

[02:06:04] Of course, that was the first one I did I did episodes of twilight zone

[02:06:10] I did triangle time crimes um

[02:06:15] And I'm currently in the middle of buffy and angel doing life cereal that the mummy hand episode from buffy

[02:06:22] And the time bomb episode with angel where uh with aliria where she's kind of jumping around the episode

[02:06:30] And then the the next season that i'm starting in april is it's kind of time loop adjacent where i'm going through

[02:06:37] Momento scene by scene

[02:06:41] And then I also have a second podcast called lyrical innuendo

[02:06:45] And that comes out every every other friday you go into song meetings

[02:06:50] Yeah, I each episode we me and my co-host looks at a song

[02:06:55] And we dig into lyrics and see if there's any hidden meanings usually

[02:06:59] Usually we look for you know like sexual meanings that that you never knew

[02:07:03] And sometimes we'll go well

[02:07:06] Well like make up a sexual minions like this is what i think the song means

[02:07:11] It's surprising how many songs we sang as 10 year olds that we should not have been singing yes

[02:07:16] Oh my god, yes, yeah like we did like little red corvette

[02:07:21] You know she bop by Cindy Loper but also i've kind of made up some ones for like uh the

[02:07:27] Pokemon by the beach boys

[02:07:30] The distance the distance by cake that's that was a real fun

[02:07:36] Interesting theories behind the delirics on that. I love cake like the band also

[02:07:42] I like cake

[02:07:45] Yeah

[02:07:46] Don't know anything about the band but the food is delicious. You would love the band. They're very comedic

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