Antagonistic Week: STAR WARS: Heir to the Empire Book & Graphic Novel Trilogy Review (with Matt from Yub Cast!)

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[00:00:30] Welcome all to the show. I'm your host, Solane. Once again, we're going into a bunch of movies

[00:00:50] in TV shows that later became comic books and novels, respectively. In this case, I had to invite

[00:00:59] the ultimate Star Wars cartoon coverage expert himself, Matt from The Yubcast. Welcome.

[00:01:10] Thank you. And so man, here you've gone into all kinds of obscurities. People have had to kind of

[00:01:15] remember, hey, there were all kinds of Star Wars 80 shows before we had the newer cartoons like

[00:01:21] Jimmy Tardowski and newer CGI, you know, Clone Wars. Yeah, so we started our podcast by reviewing

[00:01:28] the cartoon short from the 1978 holiday special, which was a nine minute cartoon that introduced

[00:01:36] Boba Fett actually, but it had the original cast doing voiceover work. So yeah, and then we moved on

[00:01:45] to the 1985 Nelvana series, Dreads and Ewoks. Yeah. Before we started doing the more modern stuff,

[00:01:53] but it's sort of forgotten Lucasfilm stuff out there that people mostly ignored, especially

[00:01:59] before they, before there was Disney Plus you couldn't even find copies of them. So we watched

[00:02:04] we watched all the, we watched and reviewed them all off of a bootleg YouTube channel called

[00:02:10] Joe bin. Sweet.

[00:02:14] It's very eye opening too, you know, just because everybody takes everything differently and you have

[00:02:20] to realize is like Star Wars has always been divisive. It's always been kind of like any other

[00:02:27] cartoon that's meant to lunch a lunch boxes and sell toys ironically. It's really no different than

[00:02:34] GI Joe or Transformers at times. Yeah, Star Wars, the Star Wars cartoons in 1985 were

[00:02:43] released at the exact same time as Transformers and GI Joe and things like gummy bears and

[00:02:51] Hulk Hulken, WrestleMania cartoon that was on at the time. So in our very, in our second episode,

[00:02:59] we go through a TV guide from February 1985 to show what everything else that was on TV at the time,

[00:03:07] just to give people sort of some context. Right. Yeah. When when, when people argue about modern

[00:03:13] Star Wars and how terrible it is, we joke that no, we've seen bad Star Wars. We've watched all

[00:03:19] of the cartoons from the 80s. Yeah. I definitely saw the compilation of the Dreads cartoon and was very

[00:03:28] underwhelmed of his like, so literally see there's no script, R2s solving everything. So there's

[00:03:35] no suspense and Frupeo is going to be whining the entire time. Yeah. I've seen it. Yeah they play

[00:03:42] up in that show where he's just super feminine and really just there for comedic relief. It's

[00:03:53] it's tough. I think the plots, I think the plots could have been fleshed out more but it was really

[00:03:58] that Hannah, like Hannah Barbarra era animation where it just wasn't complicated. It wasn't complex.

[00:04:04] It was hand painted hand drawn and they were and it was novana which is a Canadian company

[00:04:11] and that's right. Yeah. And they hadn't produced a lot yet. They would go on to do like

[00:04:18] Barbar which is like the elephant cartoon and Arthur which become they did the Arthur thing

[00:04:25] for PBS. So they become a big animation studio and even back then they do Inspector Gadget,

[00:04:33] right? Which that was a few years later. And so the talent was there for the show. They just had

[00:04:41] execution problems and in fact the executive producer of those shows is Paul Dini. He goes on to

[00:04:47] make Batman the animated series. Oh wow. For Warner Bros. later. So the talent was there. They just

[00:04:54] had execution problems. So Nadi, right? Yeah. Well this is going to be great.

[00:05:05] So I've been a loyal fan since 99 still the special editions and Phantom Medicine theaters

[00:05:12] and only about her Star Wars movies have been following the new shows and everything but

[00:05:17] always got into the various Timothy Zahn and Kevin J Anderson books and just dug how the whole

[00:05:24] world was just expanded upon. There was still tells about adventures. How did you get into some

[00:05:31] of the various comics in the books? Yeah so I'm an original trilogy brat. So I was born

[00:05:40] in like 1980. So my the first movie I saw on a theater was ET. Oh wow. So one of the Star Wars spin-offs.

[00:05:51] Yeah, Star Wars spin-offs. The part of the Senate guys. Exactly. But my my introduction to sort of

[00:06:00] science fiction and in like movies was ET and then I had bootleg copies because back then there

[00:06:09] were no VHS releases yet. Yeah, but they had released them on. You didn't take it you didn't have it.

[00:06:16] Right so they put them on HBO and so people would trade VHS recordings of the HBO releases

[00:06:25] of the movies and so I watched those until I wore them out. And then yeah when the

[00:06:32] when the special editions came out in 97 in the theater and then that was supposed to be

[00:06:40] leading to the relaunch of the prequels, I got really into Star Wars again as sort of like a

[00:06:46] young adult. Yeah. That was like 19 when it came out and actually worked in movie theater at the time

[00:06:52] and I was in college and the movie theater was a front of mine was the manager in the movie theater

[00:06:59] and get us all jobs there. And so we all sort of hung out the day before and saw a date early.

[00:07:07] It goes in stages kind of in some way. Right. First you're interested then three more years.

[00:07:15] That's the next one. Right, but I did. So as far as to answer your question about the comics

[00:07:22] and stuff, there was a time back in like the VHS days where there was no Star Wars coming.

[00:07:32] And it was hard. You couldn't you had no idea what was going to happen next.

[00:07:38] And every once in a while a book would come out. Like there was there was tales from the Cantina,

[00:07:43] there was a Han Solo and Lando trilogies. Yeah those are good. And then but you would pick them up

[00:07:49] and I would mostly get them as like like birthday gifts from like aunts. You know, be like I found

[00:07:54] a Star Wars book in the bargain bin. I want it. You know, and so I had like this little collection of

[00:07:59] them. But if we're going to think today we're going to talk about Aaron at the Empire which was

[00:08:04] Timothy's Ons series of novels that came out in the 90s and that was probably one of the first

[00:08:12] books I bought new with my own money. Oh wow. Back in the days of lunch money guys that's right.

[00:08:19] Yeah because we went into like a bookstore and like a Seabuff was like on the cover with this

[00:08:26] like lightning she had his fingers. I'm like what is this? So we ended up getting it.

[00:08:34] How neat yeah I was kind of I wasn't late to the party. I definitely read it throughout. I mean

[00:08:38] I was late in that I didn't read it obviously open in day but I definitely read it around in the

[00:08:43] 2000s and it wasn't instant fan. Ironically I was already familiar with Kevin J Anderson from

[00:08:50] so many other loose things like I saw his names on like ex files, spin-off books. I saw that he was

[00:08:56] helping Frank Herbert's son continue the Dune book saga and same kind of deal with Zon like he

[00:09:07] was just a very very just he kind of made it cool to be a tie-in author. I've had the opportunity

[00:09:13] to talk to James Swallow and see some of the other guys like Max Allen Collins and David Mack and

[00:09:19] it's just interesting how they always give it their best shot even if they're probably not the most

[00:09:24] ardent fan you know the material they're trying to make everybody happy alone have something

[00:09:30] they're proud of. Yeah I mean I think I think the the role of a tie-in author especially for

[00:09:38] things like Dune like he couldn't have written the Dune books get a little weird

[00:09:48] as you as you keep going down. Don't get me started on the Jason Bourne one just for like hey

[00:09:52] let's add some sci-fi to the mix. Yeah was this a studio note?

[00:10:00] But I was gonna say like affiliate authors or authors that continue stories I think are

[00:10:06] recognized now probably more so than even back then as part of fandom especially when as

[00:10:12] Star Wars is sort of like a cultural art project now where everyone gets a hand on the ball.

[00:10:18] And yes people think about this for a minute you had only male maybe a message board but

[00:10:27] wasn't exactly Babylon 5 type fandom where it was on a chat room like they if you knew you knew

[00:10:34] much later. Well I mean Star Wars fans sort of and they didn't invent the idea of chat rooms but

[00:10:42] I was in a Star Wars chat room in the late eighties on like a BBC I don't you probably don't know

[00:10:49] what a BBC is or a BBS sorry a BBS. Yeah it's not the British broadcasting system but yeah okay

[00:10:56] no the BBS systems which sort of predates like the user-friendly interface to the internet.

[00:11:05] The bullets ends yep. Yeah predates like the A.O. Wells and everything that people started

[00:11:09] getting on and like netscapes and everything but the the BBS boards is where like sort of

[00:11:18] the fandom collaborations or took off. Great. And it's really eye-opening I mean you already

[00:11:25] you and your co-host have a good sense of humor on your show which I think is sorely lacking

[00:11:31] from the Star Wars fan base not all but I'm just saying just for many so many is like they will

[00:11:36] take this so to heart and like guys it's escapism you're supposed to have fun with escapism not

[00:11:42] are you are you. Yeah we have sort of a rule on the show um

[00:11:48] our rules are basically we're allowed to have an opinion about it but the opinion can't be

[00:11:52] Star Wars sucks right the opinion is like like I didn't I wish they would have done that differently

[00:11:59] I wish they would have fleshed this out more I wish they would have given us more backstory

[00:12:02] I wish they would have like focused on this character instead of that character but I but

[00:12:08] Jamie and I both like co-host and I both we would rather watch bad Star Wars than good just about

[00:12:14] anything else. And so it's it's every all of our criticism comes from a place of like this is fun

[00:12:23] it should be fun and I'm not going to could upset about the shape of a character's head or

[00:12:29] animation to live action adaptation. What's the point I mean it was dated already then so I mean

[00:12:38] it's kind of like crying over spoiled milk you know. I grew up in the era of

[00:12:44] what Star Wars fans called the dark times when there was so little content out there that people

[00:12:48] would fight about what the stripes on Han Solo's pants meant. And so I am hardened to fan anger

[00:12:59] in a way that doesn't like I'm impervious to it and I'm just like just grow up guys who cares

[00:13:06] like yeah someone else got stabbed with lightsaber and didn't die have you read any of the comics

[00:13:10] because that happens all the time. I've had to do those for Star Trek fans who don't like some of

[00:13:15] the newer shows and I'm like no no no you can't you you let all this other stuff slide but

[00:13:23] now you're getting all pissed off oh I wouldn't have Captain Kirk walk this way or so and so speak

[00:13:28] to a clean on that right and it's like okay then join the show and start writing.

[00:13:33] I mean Star Trek we can talk about Star Trek for a second but Star Trek is a great example of

[00:13:39] something where fans like really took over and almost almost like required a continuity that didn't

[00:13:46] exist because the original Star Trek wasn't even meant to be like a continuous story it was meant

[00:13:53] to be like a twilight zone sort of like this week. Yeah I wasn't even a hit back then so it's

[00:13:59] so funny when you see people say oh well this show clearly wasn't that good because you got cancelled

[00:14:04] and like so did the original so what's your point. Was it like prodigy or something that got cancelled

[00:14:09] or oh no just what what people are arguing remember it's more discovery now they're just

[00:14:17] still bashing about the LGBTQ themes and even when you show proof that there's some gay attention

[00:14:24] between Kirk and Spock and little alone even deep space nine you know they just want to act like

[00:14:29] oh but it's different like no it's the same thing. I'm sorry but Riker goes to a planet and falls in

[00:14:34] love with a trans woman in an episode of T.S. So what themes are you missing here?

[00:14:42] hell yeah and there's so there's so many illusions do everything I mean I saw some people doing

[00:14:48] that with strange new worlds unlike they're only doing what they've done on all the shows talk about

[00:14:53] metaphors for abortion war crimes forgiveness religion tyrants agreeing to disagree civilly you know

[00:15:03] it's it's really no different than a cop show let alone a western or a doctor show but it's all in

[00:15:08] space that's the thing and so. And Breton circuses right Kirk and her have the first

[00:15:15] interracial kiss on television absolutely you want to check her cross the cross the

[00:15:21] eyes and the take where they didn't kiss so they couldn't use it exactly that was not born out of

[00:15:27] mistakes so it's just so funny how people like to forget pretend that this and that don't exist

[00:15:32] and it's like oh you are mistaken sir and but it really for the most part I do think the fan

[00:15:38] base is really cool much like fans of say something like Terminator alien or predator or even

[00:15:45] some other just big giant franchise that's kind of a cult thing like George Romero's you know

[00:15:53] not a living dead series so I mean but you know Star Wars I think you can find some cool fans

[00:15:58] but you got to wait for a lot of the ones who are just turd turds like hey you know.

[00:16:03] yeah there's a there's a vocal minority that sort of controls the narrative but I think

[00:16:07] the people I to people I talk with especially when I go on shows um I do I do do a little bit

[00:16:13] of research on shows before I appear on them oh always make sure it's just not going to be like

[00:16:19] like like aren't women ruining sci-fi like I would still go on that show just to have the fight

[00:16:25] but I like to know what I'm looking for. I know it's I made the mistake one time I was doing a person

[00:16:31] of interest episode and literally I had I could not encounter the most in cell bitter divorce

[00:16:39] guy who hated women in my life I'm like fuck how do I miss this we're just like good at screen

[00:16:44] people. I guess I'm gonna cut not credit him and just cut out the last part of his rant because

[00:16:52] yeah and just on random so he doesn't ask me hey when you upload my episode I'm like maybe never

[00:16:58] maybe sometime maybe. Yeah my my my thinking about about fandom is in general they're good people

[00:17:08] in general it's made up of good people but there's a lot of validation but sometimes they don't

[00:17:13] know how to state it without sounding like a dick. Yes and that's even worse because then I have

[00:17:22] encountered some of these guys who have on popular opinions but some of them just legit hate the

[00:17:27] style and camera work and how it's worth it. I'm like okay well that's a technical thing you got

[00:17:33] an issue with but I don't know. I think you can also give that about anything you can't tell me

[00:17:40] that every scene of the original Star Trek logo and the original alien has something that's

[00:17:45] quite working you know I'm just gonna oh well everyone else said it's a classic so I think

[00:17:51] I kept sharing this historical post that was showing that Ron tomatoes had some

[00:17:56] scandal involving a lot of people in on the take for paid reviews and I was like see okay

[00:18:03] some people were saying oh I never use that site I'm like well you might not but there's so many other

[00:18:07] people who've been misled by this who will be snobby because oh well it got less than 50%

[00:18:13] I'm probably gonna hate it and like well you don't know. Yeah I don't I don't go to rating sites

[00:18:19] I try not to either but it's just it sucks because sometimes it'll be even in the TV ad

[00:18:29] it just got not a 7% on promise I'm like whoa that doesn't mean anything the user score could be bad.

[00:18:39] Yeah I think people should you're right sometimes it's impossible to avoid but I think people should

[00:18:44] pay attention to what they like and not worry about what other people like

[00:18:50] and that's the same same thing the problem with fandom right now and this isn't unique

[00:18:54] the Star Wars fandom is that negative voices get amplified because of clicks.

[00:18:59] Yes they know it's clickbait and they'll still click on it like well we've just lost now

[00:19:04] they're gonna produce more of those awful articles. All right Kathleen Kennedy got fired for

[00:19:09] Ronin indiana Jones. Right. Why so and so flopped? I'm like you don't know people usually

[00:19:18] find it I don't even know why people care about finances just because people are famous doesn't

[00:19:24] mean they know how to use money. Also a lot of a lot of films are intentionally engineered

[00:19:32] to lose money for tax reasons. It's just yeah it's kind of a lot of stuff to take in.

[00:19:43] Yeah we got a little off topic. Yeah it's fine we were just kind of warming up here but

[00:19:51] so it's yeah you do have a fun podcast and it's just kind of cool to just see people just

[00:19:58] interacting and just kind of trying to find little Easter eggs or even try to make sense of

[00:20:04] some potential plot holes that are in very loose popcorn entertainment.

[00:20:09] You know and you never pick on anybody and that's why I thought we were good fit for this.

[00:20:15] And so Aaron to the Empire just it was so funny I was very familiar with the books and I had

[00:20:22] I kept forgetting they had made a graphic novel version of it.

[00:20:27] I was familiar with shadows of the Empire because he had not only

[00:20:32] the great book it was the best seller that it got rumored it would be turned into a movie

[00:20:37] and then you got the damn video game but yeah then the book the comic was just like the icing on the

[00:20:46] cake. I'm like oh even more awesome and so this kind of does a bit of that where there's extensions

[00:20:52] on certain plot lines that are left to your imagination that they make good use of said comic book.

[00:20:59] Overall I kind of prefer the book but the comics kind of it's kind of like an audio book like

[00:21:04] if you want to just see the visual representation of it and be a little less styled into it this is

[00:21:10] probably the way to go. Yeah I have the comic. I have the graphic novel and I think they do a great

[00:21:19] job and like I told you when it worked texting back and forth last week. We're going for the first

[00:21:25] day again. Yeah I was listening to the audiobook because I was working on the house and things and

[00:21:31] I was like yeah I might as well just listen to the audiobook again and I really like it.

[00:21:36] I can check right now because it's still up in my audible maybe one second.

[00:21:49] It is read by

[00:21:50] I don't know.

[00:21:58] He does read yeah Mark Thompson so he does he does amazing work. I thought it was Mark Thompson.

[00:22:04] I just wanted to make sure before I said it but Mark Thompson he narrates a lot of Star Wars audiobooks

[00:22:11] and he's very expressive and does actually generally like a Star Wars audiobooks are like my

[00:22:19] guilty pleasure thing because I when I walk the dogs or work out I just put on the start like an

[00:22:25] audiobook and the production values are really good because they insert music and sound effects

[00:22:30] and things like that. It's like it's like the old this is probably tooled for you but the

[00:22:36] original trilogy was put on NPR back in the 80s. Yeah we've been thinking of reviewing that as well.

[00:22:43] It's wild because it's very much an audio play and so they're like they're like

[00:22:50] Vader's choking me and I can't breathe you know because I have the can't you don't see any

[00:22:56] actions or they have to like telegraph at all and with words and it's very it's a very fun thing

[00:23:01] to listen to. Jamie recently my co-host recently re-did all of the NPR radio dramas

[00:23:09] and there's actually a website where you can download them for free. Yes you can they're on YouTube too

[00:23:16] of course. It's not everything but so yeah no the audiobook sounds like a fun way to go

[00:23:24] I definitely listened to one on cassette back in the day that was of the original one and

[00:23:30] people it was much like the toy story ones where it was occasional like audio clips from said movie

[00:23:38] but it always took you by surprise with the other person's narration you're like

[00:23:42] oh not just gave me a headache and I got the volume turned up too much.

[00:23:50] Yeah so I mean people I figured this I'd been meaning to schedule this for a while even

[00:23:59] months before Admiral Fron was hinted at being in the Ahsoka TV show but I just figured you know

[00:24:06] I just not only is it fun to talk about his appearance in this you know the premiere of this Jeremy

[00:24:12] Ironzisk you know heavily shielded you know Admiral who's putting all the impregals in their place

[00:24:23] and pretty much fears no one not even any of the Sith Lords and then George Savo with the

[00:24:30] disillusioned Jedi being used as a weapon while Luke Skywalker has to basically you know he's on

[00:24:43] his own he's fighting the temptations he wants to trust and he's also trying to lean over former

[00:24:49] imperial turned you know Jedi Mara Jade his wife to be as well as having Leah take advantage of

[00:24:56] her Jedi powers and help Han and Juan Lando you know scrounge up some troops to help out

[00:25:04] that numbered rebels you know so it's a lot to take in all at once and much like the kind of the free

[00:25:11] act structure while also kind of I mean I think what Star Wars always did well was much like

[00:25:17] lower the rings they just have free battles going on all at once and making sense of it all with the

[00:25:22] edits yeah so the the trilogy we're gonna talk about the whole trilogy is interesting in the way

[00:25:28] it's structured and that the first one is like puts all the pieces on the table right there's basically

[00:25:35] like the three threads of like what's thrown the caps on the bag yeah like what's thrown up to is

[00:25:41] the imperial remnant introduce him and in the chimera and peli on and then what's what's Leah's deal

[00:25:51] um she's pregnant trying to be trying to be a Jedi but having a hard time doing it and then

[00:25:58] what's what's the status of the new republic and the new republic like we do like we see in the

[00:26:02] in the Disney sequel is not doing great no they're struggling with everything from like supply chain

[00:26:10] to recruitment and they haven't dealt with the imperial remnant and so you have

[00:26:15] so you're gonna introduce you introduce this character Thrawn who is never hinted at all in the

[00:26:21] original trilogy yeah and he is not only not only a brand new character he's a brand new species

[00:26:30] right so he's like this brilliant tactician and a chis and he's a blue-skinned thing a humanoid that

[00:26:40] that somehow has survived in this terrible like post-imperor state I really liked

[00:26:49] 200 million yeah I really like the construct of the story where he's where he goes and gets the

[00:26:59] what are they called the thing that sits on a shoulder yeah it's not an pugnaut uh

[00:27:05] oh it's Cidari or something like that right and now we're gonna get all these Navi Stauher's fans

[00:27:10] uh how dare you not know yeah I just I just looked it up and I just forgot it but um

[00:27:17] uh look at it uh yeah he has the Ruck Ruck bodyguard and we have the the no-grie bodyguard Ruck

[00:27:28] um he's a chess species as well he's a chess and yeah or Thrawn's a chess anyway the like the

[00:27:36] different threats they set up with with with the having to having to shore up the new republic

[00:27:45] having to deal like Thrawn's motivation with getting the fallen Jedi and then establishing that

[00:27:52] cloning is um a huge industry post-war and that's that's ultimately their plan to regain the galaxy

[00:28:00] is by using these clones um and I don't know how you want to structure structure walking through it

[00:28:07] but we can kind of go at it a little loosely uh so basically you know Thrawn is trying to dismantle

[00:28:16] into the new republic and he's pretty much outprewed himself he's basically he pretty much wants to be

[00:28:25] like the emperor and Jorseboa is a clone of a Jedi master the same name who he had personally killed

[00:28:32] and he's basically his guinea pig he's just going around using force powers to just make ships crash

[00:28:39] and everything and uh dark force rising pretty much uh has our heroes trying to obtain these heavy

[00:28:49] cruisers that can break through all these you know superstar destroyers and heavily shielded ships

[00:28:56] uh but uh they've arrested Admiral Akbar and uh Ron keeps using all his utter

[00:29:07] literally before the actual you know clones were introduced in stars uh movies like he's using his

[00:29:14] own clone army and he's pretty much outnumbering them on different planets and they just finally just

[00:29:21] went out in a giant uh chess game including Luke can Leah finally destroy in the cloning facility

[00:29:29] yeah the I think the I think the plot points that people typically the things that people know about

[00:29:39] um the era to the empire series is uh Thrawn

[00:29:45] Thrawn's introduction and then Thrawn's ultimate assassination um spoiler alert for a book that came

[00:29:52] 30 years ago um his assassination uh the birth of um layest winds happens in this book and then

[00:30:02] this is the introduction of Mara Jade and the beginning of their mara jade and Luke Skywalker's

[00:30:11] relationship although it does not is not overly romantic in this in this series it becomes

[00:30:18] overtly romantic later but in this particular set of books it's more she's dealing with

[00:30:25] her own trauma of being an undercover agent that worked for the emperor having to deal with the

[00:30:31] man who she thinks murdered the emperor we'll return after these messages

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[00:31:50] at who would win show dot com and then the whole cloning thing people the clone thing so the fallen

[00:32:01] Jedi he is the Jedi guarding the the Emperor Sentinel or the Emperor's I can't remember how they

[00:32:13] refer to it but his collection of artifacts and technology he's a clone and Thrawn knows that

[00:32:21] because Thrawn killed the real guy and this guy has technically a different first name because

[00:32:27] has an extra you in it and later when they encounter the clone of Luke in the finale of the third book

[00:32:36] that Luke is also Luke with an extra you in it and so this is this is it's a good series but there's

[00:32:45] silly things in it like that that would get blown apart in modern fandom just feeling that

[00:32:51] that doesn't make any sense but I think I think it's funny that that's how they chose to sort of

[00:32:57] distinguish who's who by having them slightly misspelled names or slightly different spelled names

[00:33:05] the it's eye opening kind of too it just reminds you you know kind of just with any visual

[00:33:10] medium what might work as an hour tv might not work at all as a two-hour movie might be tedious

[00:33:16] same thing with a video game or a comic or a horror book yeah and so the whole the whole

[00:33:25] mara jade arc is interesting because she starts working as basically the she's undercover roughly

[00:33:34] reporting to no one because their Emperor is dead but she's undercover working for the smugglers

[00:33:41] right so she's working for um trap the guy who has all of the the force shielding

[00:33:50] variants all these guys with ridiculously powerful technology that's never gonna really truly

[00:33:57] exactly and and so she she goes from that to working with working alongside Luke because

[00:34:05] first she wants to assassinate him and then she decides that she he's more useful alive

[00:34:12] and then she eventually kills the Luke clone sort of fulfilling her desire to

[00:34:17] forgot about that yeah she's the one that kills Luke and the one that kills uh Savoatha right

[00:34:23] this book does a good job of also showing Luke's various nightmares he fears being killed by this

[00:34:29] woman yeah she he has a premonition um of her

[00:34:36] causing his death and then Leah has a premonition of of her causing Luke's death

[00:34:42] friends close enemies closer yeah and yeah so that those both happen and then

[00:34:49] and then the whole hiding Leah because they're gonna steal her baby

[00:34:55] for their own or chicken steal the twins for their own force experiments

[00:35:00] oh yeah was was the other plot and sort of in the second book that makes me the kind of I mean

[00:35:05] he's described as diabolical by so many critics and rightfully so but it's just it makes

[00:35:09] even wonder why so many fans didn't see all the symbolism all these years that the imperiales are

[00:35:15] clearly not see as you know like right what other to kind of person experiments on you

[00:35:22] right and and the other thing that i noticed in sort of my my review of these things is i had

[00:35:28] i had forgotten that the cloning facility and the third book was called mount tantis

[00:35:36] out of that and i'd forgotten that fron himself was a clone i just kind of remember jorce

[00:35:40] of both was one which explained why it was disillusioned because you know when you're at guinea pig

[00:35:47] when you're being brainwashed into being a tyrant of war you know a weapon right a human weapon in

[00:35:54] some aspects is like that's all he knows and it is interesting how Luke doesn't take long to

[00:36:00] just kind of put two into it again and realize okay i can't win with this guy he he's just as bad

[00:36:07] as any religious tyrant he believes everything he says there's no turning him you know right

[00:36:13] Jedi and set the done for years you know come back come back to the light and it's like no there's

[00:36:20] he doesn't even have a soul at this rate he just just says anger and uncontrolled you know

[00:36:27] emotions that he vents into power yeah

[00:36:31] yeah so the connection the connection i like looking for connections to the modern media too

[00:36:38] like you said we have easter eggs and so mount tantis is the cloning facility in the bad match now

[00:36:47] oh really all that and that and that in that cloning facility is on the planet wailin

[00:36:54] to and wailin is the planet that the cloning facility is on in the final command

[00:37:03] so they're so bad matches referencing these books and polling plot points from these books

[00:37:09] and putting them in the star wars animation the modern star wars animation um

[00:37:14] goal lot lines

[00:37:18] and do you think i mean i have i will confess i have not read any of the other

[00:37:25] star wars books i just wasn't keeping up at it with it at that point uh pre-disney take over i

[00:37:31] heard they brought uh to them these on back so i'm down to see that um but

[00:37:36] um have you read any of those others so i've read all i've read all of the so basically yeah

[00:37:46] so i've read all of the x-wing squadron books which are sort of partially follow-ups to

[00:37:54] i did read some of those the x-wing ones the rogue squadron yeah rogue squadron

[00:37:59] and those so they're sort of parallel and follow-up stories to to this

[00:38:05] there there wasn't any there wasn't a lot of effort at continuity

[00:38:09] no back then and there's a lot of contradicting stories

[00:38:15] yeah and so i didn't disagree when disney said like oh we're not we're just gonna wipe it

[00:38:20] and say like like we have our own continuity now um because because it was super smart

[00:38:25] because then they can just go back and take what they want and and stitch their own continuity

[00:38:30] together when they brought throng back in rebels as the commander of the chimera and the seventh fleet

[00:38:40] you see throng prior to the state he's in in these books so the empire is still strong we're still

[00:38:48] nine nine to ten years before the empire falls when he's introduced in rebels

[00:38:52] they have a lot of the same elements and so ruk is there the no-grie bodyguard or assassin is still there

[00:39:01] this is where i get confused and like so what follows what yeah so this is this is a different

[00:39:06] continuity and so it's it's it has nothing to do with with the plot of this book but i think we

[00:39:11] can get there because i'm also not gonna get stuck up on that i i find that many fans love to keep

[00:39:18] hitting barriers in the road and what do you do do you just walk off a cliff with all the other

[00:39:23] crazies no you take a different road yeah i'm just i'm just trying to establish that

[00:39:29] no no you do again i'm just doing a disclaimer i see so many people who want to get hung up on stuff

[00:39:34] and it's like ultimately it really doesn't matter if i like something i don't read it i don't

[00:39:40] have to acknowledge it yeah but the but they did bring zon back in zon wrote two two trilogies in

[00:39:47] the disney cannon of thron books one that takes place way way before yep his appearance in rebels

[00:39:55] and one that takes place immediately before his appearance in rebels and so we have a lot of

[00:40:01] information about from from zon about this version of thron and i think what i'm trying to get to

[00:40:10] with the asoka finale of thron and the chimera returning to the galaxy you basically have

[00:40:20] almost all of the plot elements in place or an air to the empire series now

[00:40:28] with just some sensible substitutions right there isn't a clone Jedi that we know about running

[00:40:33] around but there's balan running around like causing all sorts of problems right you don't necessarily

[00:40:39] have like um leia's twins but you have can and you have can and and her as kid who's a Jedi

[00:40:47] absolutely and so you can you can just walk through every single plot point and say like no you

[00:40:52] have all the tools here you have you have the pieces that you need to tell a story very

[00:40:57] similar to air the empire and someone's got to get cut for time or just to make it flow

[00:41:02] so might take the highlights you know right but it's like disney's treating the continent the old

[00:41:08] continuity like a buffet right they think what they want and they leave the rest behind yeah and what

[00:41:14] and what we have this is good i'm not criticizing that at all i think this is a good way to treat it

[00:41:18] and what we have is we have 80% of the air the empire story served up to us in the asoka season finale

[00:41:24] with some of the other supplemental material yeah and i think i would be shocked if this isn't where

[00:41:29] they go with it where they have this really popular story from 30 years ago that people loved

[00:41:37] and you've been setting it up like there was talk about the rogue squadron books

[00:41:45] in in the canobee show there was a child who was said to be forced sensitive when he was talking

[00:41:53] with the con man Jedi and that kid's name is core and horn which is a character in rogue squadron

[00:42:01] oh wow it's like make that connection it's like like what are you doing like you're you're

[00:42:06] doing this really beautiful cotton like this backdoor continuity to these books and these stories

[00:42:13] and you're just setting you're just like dropping these easter eggs as you're making these shows

[00:42:18] and you're setting when are you setting up air the empire are you setting up

[00:42:22] rogue squadron like what do you like what are you setting up exactly because

[00:42:26] the way i view it they could they can get away with anything at this point

[00:42:30] there's some i like there's some i don't like i'll i just hope they don't bring the

[00:42:34] uson vong

[00:42:37] bro you know you know that there that was part of the plan oh really i just think it'd be a mistake

[00:42:43] to kill jibaka and do all that or stuff that's where star wars books lost me

[00:42:48] yeah you don't want to drop a moon on jibaka um but the uson vong not to not to get side-tracked

[00:42:55] again yeah this from the Jedi Empire uh not Jedi Empire uh new new Jedi order books yeah

[00:43:02] yeah so the uson vong um they were supposed to be in the clone war series

[00:43:09] in the clone wars CGI series that was on cartoon network years and years ago because there were

[00:43:17] it's called clone wars continued or something like that i can't remember what they called it but

[00:43:23] there was a bunch of unproduced episodes of that for like a seven thirtieth season

[00:43:29] they ended up finishing the seventh season finishing the seventh season by introducing the bad

[00:43:33] batch and having the isoka um battle of mandalore stuff but there were there was supposed to be a top

[00:43:41] gun episode or episode arc where they go to an elite flight school for clones

[00:43:48] there was supposed to be a bounty hunter arc where you learn or boba fed and cad bane have a showdown

[00:43:54] there were supposed to be the the um all taking over the mandalorean army which happens in a

[00:44:04] comic book called son of dathamir instead and there was supposed to be the asa's ventris

[00:44:11] quinlin vos romant romantic story which became the book dark disciple and so they produced some of

[00:44:17] them another formats but one of the one of the unproduced stories there's there's also an arc on

[00:44:22] kashik where they go to they go to kashik and fight um a battle on kashik and that sort of becomes

[00:44:30] a clone uh it sort of becomes a bad batch episode but there's also there's also a episode where

[00:44:38] they find a scout ship that they don't recognize and that scout ship was a use on bong ship

[00:44:47] and so they had plans to incorporate it and in that phase uh

[00:44:53] i don't want to take in that phase of the series yeah we i've written about these unproduced episodes

[00:45:00] um and one of our one of our blogs or whatever but but there's there's concept art and notes

[00:45:08] from philoni on the show uh about about use on bong scout ship not much else but there were

[00:45:16] something like 20 or 30 episodes of clone wars that were never produced and some of them pulled in

[00:45:22] these legends ideas um and specifically definitely the use on bong

[00:45:28] gotcha and i don't i don't know if we need the use on bong but i'll i will point out once again

[00:45:37] that isoka the latest show that disney's produced um takes us to another galaxy

[00:45:45] and that's where the use on bong came from their extra galactic beings and so they've now

[00:45:52] introduced sort of um this sort of travel into their own universe yeah it's that

[00:45:58] and

[00:46:03] well and it's eye opening too because we're we're seeing how there's no shortage of villains in this

[00:46:10] universe

[00:46:18] uh and we're also seeing just there's no shortage of obstacle courses the lone dangerous

[00:46:24] areas of the galaxy right

[00:46:37] uh no longer sorry how long are these usually go

[00:46:40] ah not not too long if you got a skid out all soon i just i'm just trying i'm just trying to

[00:46:46] gauge how how much more you'd want to talk about

[00:46:49] how is this the big plot points

[00:46:53] it's eye opening i think uh we can mainly just shuffle through and

[00:47:00] uh does this does this uh cut the mustard do you feel like this is still a good

[00:47:09] book to introduce to anyone regardless of their opinion on the fandom and common duty

[00:47:17] yeah absolutely so so when i went back and and listened to air the empire again an audio

[00:47:22] format last week um i don't i don't have a lot of nostalgia for that period of time but

[00:47:30] i was completely engrossed in the plot again and one of the things that i love about

[00:47:36] this sort of storytelling that Star Wars does and and this is something i find is is part of the

[00:47:43] sort of intellectual continuity of Star Wars is that they're very small stories with big impact

[00:47:49] so they're they focus on like the relationships in between characters and

[00:47:56] and sort of the consequences of those relationships between characters there's a scene where

[00:48:00] Han is trying to convince a friend of his a former smuggler

[00:48:07] friend of his to help out the new republic and the guys like no like no one trusts you anymore

[00:48:12] and then by by the end of the trilogy they have a whole army of smugglers that are fighting

[00:48:17] alongside the rebels because they realize that stability is good for business i guess

[00:48:23] and it's sort of it's sort of like that where it starts with like this tiny tiny interaction in a bar

[00:48:29] and it ends with the gigantic battle because of because of the plot through line you can do that with

[00:48:35] like rj too right she's nobody in the beginning of this yeah and then you just get a little bit

[00:48:42] you just build on the character a little bit a little bit a little bit into the very end and she kills

[00:48:47] the luke clone and the seboa clone like like that like that's her arc and you get to the point where

[00:48:56] leia and luke both see the premonitions of her killing luke but leia throws her lightsaber to

[00:49:03] barajade in the in the final battle because leia knows that she's going to kill

[00:49:10] the clone luke not the actual luke yeah it's a good plot twist if you don't know her allegiance the whole

[00:49:18] time and it's also leia realizing that her vision was not of her brother dying instead of the clone

[00:49:26] dying yeah right and that and that like that all tying together in like a really nice little package

[00:49:34] yeah i would i would recommend this book for anybody who just loves star wars and doesn't think

[00:49:39] it's through the art world and the wording in both this like even just the casual readers going to

[00:49:44] probably be engrossed by the visual illusions that come off the descriptions and if you're doing

[00:49:52] the comic you're also going to be blown away by just whoever did it just could as to him i can

[00:49:58] imagine sketching this back in the day and trying to make sense of it all may it looks just as

[00:50:06] i catching as actual art direction that you're watching on a live action production

[00:50:10] yeah i would say the graphic novel is wonderful like it is like i was talking about the plot before

[00:50:17] just like the plot of like the trilogy of books but the graphic novels are top notch

[00:50:24] there's a style of comic that i really really appreciate um yep and like i think the dark

[00:50:31] horse series did a wonderful job on this and i'm really excited that actually dark horse is

[00:50:39] producing star wars comics again because i think dark horse did a wonderful job for in the 90s and

[00:50:45] 2000s of doing that after they kind of shut out some of the other ones there and now they're back

[00:50:53] well right marvel obviously marvel and star wars are both Disney properties

[00:51:00] and so it made total sense when they rebooted star wars that they would have marvel producing star

[00:51:07] wars comics again and i do have the entire marvel run of star wars comics from the 70s and 80s

[00:51:14] right those are let you want to talk about peril lots of

[00:51:20] who would only remind you how they're inspired by cereals but it's

[00:51:25] it's kind of interesting how with star wars you have the reverse chronologic

[00:51:29] kind of introduction like people thought hey there's no way something like this can work

[00:51:35] and then it's a surprise hits and then people are now wanting to create the stuff that

[00:51:41] it was inspired by like flashcordin oh that's funny yeah that's right

[00:51:47] lower the ring that'll never work as a movie oh really just these star wars

[00:51:53] yeah i mean i'm dating myself again but the very first movie ever saw in vhs was a cartoon version of

[00:51:58] the hobbit i saw that too before i saw i mean i've read even the book of that along with

[00:52:06] watching uh the live action lotr trilogy but it's interesting how it you never know

[00:52:15] what works until you have to just see it in raw form and it's just kind of reminding everybody hey

[00:52:20] you know i just if you just leave them alone you can take the credit for what they do so well

[00:52:25] yeah exactly and i like that idea just let them do what they do and then take the credit

[00:52:32] as long as they're not fallen behind and they can justify why they need maybe

[00:52:37] 2000 extra obviously it's millions retoken but i really don't know

[00:52:44] it's like kind of like any movie magic like so many people

[00:52:49] want to peek behind the curtain but they don't really want to know why it works and it's like well

[00:52:54] you really should you should owe it to yourself because much like you know ric bato has a wonderful

[00:53:00] channel on you know why this album is amazing you know why this sound design is great why this

[00:53:05] guitar solo is terrific you know it's uh when we get on these podcasts we know for the most part

[00:53:13] why something works and why we're ready to explain it and so i think hopefully this book can

[00:53:21] even remind people how to do a proper tie-in book without just being vague saying oh it's a

[00:53:30] cash grab or oh it's fun but it's not my thing well why is that yeah i think

[00:53:37] i think this is a great example of what a fandom a fandom can do when left to their own devices

[00:53:45] and people people were hungry for this yes they were back then in like the early 90s and they needed

[00:53:53] they needed a continuation of this story and i know lucas sort of threw up his hands at it and he's

[00:53:58] like yeah do whatever you want but you can't do these three things or you can't like talk about Yoda

[00:54:03] you can't um you can't kill lucas kaiwa and stuff like that right yeah and he other than that like

[00:54:11] still got no it's fun yeah i mean the notes were very minor and then eventually he he would later

[00:54:17] say like yeah i'm not following what's going on with the comics and books anymore

[00:54:22] um which is which is good and bad right because you don't want if he's going to start writing

[00:54:27] prequels and things you don't want him influenced by by like official fanfiction right

[00:54:35] this word gets into a gray area is like where we see stuff that was predating other stuff and it's

[00:54:40] like was did everyone have the same idea or did someone go in the same meeting and have the

[00:54:46] still in colors notes exactly but and that's problematic right because even like the Lord of the

[00:54:51] Rings prequel was an Amazon was sued by a fan a fan because they they claim that they took

[00:54:57] their fan fiction and adapted it to say um the the Amazon series or yeah the amazon prime series

[00:55:07] so you have to be really careful like they have to be really careful but i think i think at the time

[00:55:12] people were super hungry for this and this is one of the reasons why it it has this last name power

[00:55:17] but it's also like i said listening to it this week listening to the audio book this week again

[00:55:22] i'm just it's just a good story like it's just it's not it's probably not for everybody

[00:55:28] but if you care and you can take and you can enjoy like the silliness and seriousness of

[00:55:35] Star Wars at the same time i would say it's a very good series of books

[00:55:40] it's very easy listening while being very appropriately epic

[00:55:46] yeah and for the sam and dianne will they won't they yeah they do you know they get together

[00:55:52] like the whole marijade and luksky one like like yellow romance um

[00:55:58] uh it reads way better than i think because i mean you mentioned some of the x-wings novels i

[00:56:03] had trouble reading some of those back in the day just because sometimes they just would throw

[00:56:07] in stuff that felt too gritty for even Star Wars you're like people are using them or implying

[00:56:14] that they're sleeping with each other i mean i know it happens but come on

[00:56:18] yeah there was a there's a book in the new continuity based loosely on the battlefront games

[00:56:26] yeah and they're just called battlefront and battlefront and inferno squadron or something

[00:56:30] those books are like meat grinders and so like characters are just getting killed like

[00:56:38] every chapter there's a new character because someone else got killed in the previous chapter

[00:56:43] that they made you care about yeah sort of sort of two

[00:56:51] to read realistic view of war for Star Wars if that makes sense

[00:56:56] yeah yeah it should be too much to be a little trickily right if you want really gritty we can go

[00:57:02] with the lowering style but i mean that's how i am with even just i mean i love

[00:57:09] some of these under dark fantasy things and how they kind of go their own way you know anything

[00:57:13] from hellraiser do even you know start drive but it's interesting how something like this

[00:57:18] you really got to warn people before you know you'd lock and load and go in that direction

[00:57:27] and hopefully everyone can get better at explaining but they're intending to each other instead of

[00:57:33] just saying well accept it or don't yeah i hope i hope that we i hope that our message comes across

[00:57:42] that that we're allowed to not like something um but just don't tell other people they're not allowed

[00:57:49] to like it it goes both ways fellas it's just like hey don't force me to like this is like no one

[00:57:55] is don't don't embrace it just say not like up a tee and at the same time don't tell people you

[00:58:00] oh you can't like it huh thank you let them yeah just be uh take some comfort in knowing that you

[00:58:08] have better taste than them people don't have to have the same taste it's just it's a very immature

[00:58:15] it's like like i remember when like when you're maybe like in your teenage years and you love a band

[00:58:22] and you play it for a friend and that friends like i hate this and you're like there's like well

[00:58:27] yeah we'll forget you it's like right it's like that but your adults now so everyone calm down right

[00:58:34] if i'm watching a movie or show that i know no one else likes i just watch it in my room

[00:58:38] alone yeah also just be yourself be yourself yeah we can we can be far less judgmental

[00:58:46] for each other leave politely what's that that's them to leave politely yes put it on at a party

[00:58:53] if they're overstaying they're welcome that might that'll work yeah but ultimately i do recommend

[00:59:02] i recommend these books they're 30 years old at this point but um they they're even older than

[00:59:10] that actually they're almost 35 years old but but they there's some they set so much in motion

[00:59:19] for the Star Wars fandom and they're still relevant and important even if they're relegated to a

[00:59:25] um legendary continuity i think i yeah that's all say uh i think you have summed it up pretty well

[00:59:35] because um this is the i think the reason this was just a match made in heaven is it's very much like

[00:59:42] the cartoons you're covering it's very easy to get into and it's but to it's also do its credit

[00:59:49] it's covering a lot with out overwhelming you just like uh like this would be both a good intro to

[00:59:59] people as well as just hardcore fans who are you know praise the saga day in day out so um

[01:00:08] uh the more the better because that there's going to be plenty of other ones where if you're not a

[01:00:13] long time fan you're not going to know what that means yeah and the and like i said i think there's

[01:00:20] continuity i think there's continuity consequences for from this story that are happening in

[01:00:27] Star Wars being written right now so i think they are setting up an era to the empire like

[01:00:32] story and i think it behooves people to go check out what came first absolutely i mean it didn't

[01:00:40] all happen overnight not everyone embraced the same ideas and what have you so

[01:00:47] uh this is just the nuts and bolts the meat and potatoes

[01:00:54] uh so uh but what do you have coming up on Yubcast and obviously you're still going for bad bad

[01:00:59] chapter episodes uh but anything else you'd care to promote her tease for your show.

[01:01:03] Yeah so so we we did do uh a soaker wrap-up episode that recorded actually last night and i'm

[01:01:09] going to get that out in the next couple of days um so we we've done those um we're we finished bad

[01:01:15] batch um and so we're we're going back to Clone Wars now we're gonna do some Clone Wars

[01:01:22] we haven't reviewed the second season of visions which was sort of the animated shorts

[01:01:28] of Star Wars but we did do the first season of visions and so we got to do that

[01:01:32] we're having we just need to get really consistent about posting shows honestly but

[01:01:38] we have a hundred episodes out there already where we cover a hundred different cartoon episodes

[01:01:44] but there is a lot more to come um so we're just gonna keep plugging away at at Clone Wars and then

[01:01:52] probably do bad batch when it comes back around in a year or two. So wait?

[01:01:56] um because we're really into bad batch and we'll do visions soon and then when we're done with

[01:02:01] Clone Wars we'll do rubbles and then we'll do resistance and then we'll do whatever comes next

[01:02:06] right those are the tails of the Jedi or whatever. Tell us the Jedi, some of these other anthologies

[01:02:12] we did we did review tales of the Jedi um in sort of a two-part episode um but yeah we've done

[01:02:21] we've done the Tartibosky Clone Wars um we've done um droids and yeah how over a hundred episodes

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[01:03:29] Lovely. Well so you stay safe out there and you're welcome back anytime you may not even have to

[01:03:35] necessarily talk about something about so many other things uh right debyan here and just kind of

[01:03:42] we were kind of just shot the shit today we just kind of just casual fun. Yeah it was a lot

[01:03:48] of fun thanks for having me on. All right can you stay out there? Yep talk soon.

[01:03:52] All right take care I'll let you know when it uploads and welcome back anytime that was

[01:03:57] seriously very fun. Yeah if you want to do another one if you want to do one that's focused on a

[01:04:01] comic book um one that might be fun to do someday uh would be Splinter the Minds Eye.

[01:04:07] Oh that's a good idea. Because the comic the comic book for that is pretty cool and

[01:04:14] that might be a Star Wars piece of Star Wars history that people don't quite understand what it is.

[01:04:21] Thank you for reacting to it but you know what it means. Yeah so Splinter the Minds Eye so when

[01:04:28] when Lucas signed his deal with Fox they made him sign up for two movies. Yes and they gave him

[01:04:35] a two movie deal and everyone thought Star Wars Star Wars was going to fall in being foster.

[01:04:42] Yeah um yeah and so everybody thought Star Wars was going to flop and so they wrote a second movie

[01:04:50] that was it basically had no sets had one set and it was just Luke and Leia running from Darth Vader

[01:04:58] in a swamp and and they were trying to find a kyber crystal um this is before this is back in the 70s

[01:05:09] before they knew a kyber crystals before there's anything in canon or anything in any movie about

[01:05:14] kyber crystals and they wrote this whole script and did storyboards and Ralph McCory did a bunch of

[01:05:22] concept art and they only did it because they knew that they were on the hook to make a second

[01:05:30] movie and they didn't know if they could afford to make a second movie because they assumed that

[01:05:34] they're going to run out of money um and so they wanted to make a movie as cheaply as possible

[01:05:41] and then of course Star Wars became one of the biggest blockbusters ever and they're like oh never

[01:05:45] mind we're not doing that movie and then they wrote Empire and so they never produced Splinter the Minds

[01:05:51] Eye and so Foster wrote the book and then point like 20 years later they adapted it to a comic

[01:05:59] and the comic is actually really cool um but it is like Star Wars that time forgot sort of stuff

[01:06:07] yep and I don't think it gets very much attention and actually my

[01:06:13] my home screen on my phone is uh Ralph McCory drying from Splinter the Minds Eye

[01:06:18] oh lovely um we're Luke and Lair trying to get to a lightsaber to escape from Vader

[01:06:26] and some freaky artwork and some of those too oh I love McCory I have a huge collection of McCory art

[01:06:34] I just love I love all of that stuff but i'm gonna take off

[01:06:40] for sure um and once again welcome back anytime uh just that's a good idea for future episode

[01:06:45] just stay safe out there yep we'll talk soon

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