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[00:01:23] What's up, everyone? Air Raid Mike, the host of the Air Raid Attack Podcast. And we are live for the first time in 2025. And happy new year to all of you out there. It's been a journey, especially here in the States. But we are up and going. But hey, before we kick things off, even though I'm way too close to the screen here.

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[00:02:20] But she definitely will be up there in ranks. I was informed that the Baker Mayfield planting of the flag was her favorite moment thus far in her wonderful Ohio State Buckeye lifetime. And yes, she did beat Texas. So I can't give her too much. Without further ado, the host of the CFB Talk with Heather, Miss Heather. Welcome aboard. And how are you tonight?

[00:02:48] Man, how are you going to do me like that backstage calling me out with the Baker Mayfield planting of the flag? Not my favorite moment. Not the best moment ever. I was actually in Disney World when that happened. And thank God I was at the bar. So it's not a moment that I'll ever forget. So thank you for having me. But man, man, that intro did me dirty.

[00:03:15] Well, you know, I did make up a little bit just because you guys did beat Texas. But, you know, I do know a few personal Buckeye fans. They are still salty almost a decade later. And I get it. Real quick comments. Daniel Hill. Hey, what's up, Daniel? Daniel. And the brothers, Herbert Raj from the Herbert Raj podcast. Oh, I love that. I'm going to do their show tomorrow. So I'm super excited. Thanks. Thanks, guys, for watching.

[00:03:44] And Herb, I'm sure it's the one doing it. But, you know, he's I see on the comments. I'm not bashing him. It's all out of love. Stealing my guess. I saw that comment. But all is well. No, they're a good group of people. And I know you'll have a lot of fun. Come on. All right. Come on here. All righty. Let's talk some college football, Heather. Yeah. Ohio State. Well, first off, what? Let's go all the way back to the first round.

[00:04:11] I know a lot of people were upset because we had a lot of routes in the first round. A lot of boring games, news fests. Obviously, Ohio State playing for a national championship on the 20th against Notre Dame. What has your thoughts on this first year of the college football playoff, the expansion version, the 12th team playoff? What has your thoughts been from a fan standpoint when it comes to this so far? I think from a fan standpoint, it's worked the way that I kind of hope that it would work.

[00:04:39] The first round did surprise me a little bit, though, because of all of the upsets that we had throughout the whole season. The regular season was wild this year. I can't remember a regular season where we had as many upsets as we did. So I thought that the first round would be a little bit more interesting. But, you know, kind of it leveled out and it played out the way that it was supposed to number wise. Second round, that was that was curious because none of the number one seeds, none of them won. And all of them, but Arizona State got blown out, really.

[00:05:10] So that was that was curious. I think that in the end, I think you can make the argument that it worked out the way it was supposed to, that the two best teams ended up making it in. And I think that there are the arguments where it took 12 teams for you guys to get in. Yeah, it did. You know, we played the hand that we were dealt. So to Notre Dame, I think Notre Dame still might have made it had there only been four because of their strong that they ended the season really strong.

[00:05:38] But and who knows, maybe we would have played that Michigan game a little bit differently had we had that win. But clearly we didn't. And and here we are. So I think it's been I think it's been good. I think it's worked out the way that it's supposed to. I will say I know I was on a guest on a podcast a week or two ago. And I will say I don't think the expansion is needed past 12. I think right now I'm not going to say it's drawn out.

[00:06:06] Maybe they can configure out some scheduling here. But I know the expansion, I think past 16, I think is insane. I think for now, I think 12 keep it. I like where we're at. Obviously, I could say lackluster, lack thereof, or I mean, not really lack thereof. But I mean, I guess it's the right word. But yeah, it's been it hasn't been it hasn't been as exciting. Right. As I think a lot of people thought it was. I mean, the Texas Ohio State game was good. The Notre Dame Penn State game was good.

[00:06:36] I think the semifinals were were really good from an outside perspective. But I do agree with you. Any I don't actually like it more than 12. I think 16 is still too many. Because here we are going to be January 20th before we get the national title game done, where it was always right around my birthday, which is the first week of January. So and real quick, Herbert Raj, I absolutely am stealing your person. I'm very proud of stealing your guests. At least he's honest about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're first.

[00:07:07] I know a few more. But the first round of the playoffs and the NFL, the college football playoff were both very lackluster. I know my Broncos. Did you watch that? I mean, if we want to talk about the NFL, did you watch the game last night? The Washington, the Tampa Bay game. That was really exciting. The joint game. I think that was a good game. That was a really good game. Yeah. And I'll entrench for probably maybe regular season a little crazier. I think the, and we'll touch base on that.

[00:07:34] I think that just in itself has made college football with four. I don't think. Oh, yeah. SMU or, or I don't think, I don't think any of them really should have gotten in. And I mean, they proved that Arizona state, maybe they played Texas really tough. They should come into overtime. So I think that they proved that they deserve to be there, but you know, Boise Penn state easily had the easiest road to get to the semis. I mean, they played two of the cupcakes in the, in the post season.

[00:08:03] So, but no, I think absolutely. I mean, um, I think the 12 is perfectly fine. Boise state with did exactly what I thought Boise state would do. SMU is the same way. I didn't think, and nothing against the ACC or nothing against the mountain West, but Boise is what Boise was. And SMU was just a one hit. I mean, you gotta look at the ACC. The ACC was extremely down Florida state. I don't know what on God's green earth happened to them.

[00:08:30] I mean, talk about the most epic collapse ever. I mean, they, they went from everybody was, was, I just remember the uproar last year for them not making it into the playoffs. And then all of a sudden they can't even win, you know, two or three games the next year. Like it was, it was the most epic collapse ever. And I'm not going to lie. I kind of basked in it. Well, I enjoyed it because Mike Norvell and everybody else thought, and you know, I don't know, you know, Jordan Travis doesn't get hurt.

[00:09:00] Do they get in the playoffs next year or last year? I don't know. I think that they would have probably. I think that that injury was what kept him out. Nothing against the ACC. Why not? They were bad. The ACC overall was just not good this year. They're horrible. They're horrible. Did Oregon get screwed by the seeding? Okay. Okay. I don't want to, I don't know if they got screwed necessarily, but I'll be completely honest. It did. It did surprise me that they were seated in the same side of the bracket as Ohio State. That did surprise me.

[00:09:30] I thought for sure that they would see them where they played Ohio State in, in maybe the finals, you know, and now I guess looking back hindsight's 2020, if that's the, if that would have been the national title game, that would have been a massacre. That would have been bad. But I was actually very surprised that they put Oregon and Ohio State on the same side of the bracket.

[00:09:53] I will say that, um, I will say the 12 teams definitely, I think is the best fit. So do I. Um, now the, here's where I think the only issue is going to be, I don't know if we're going to, and we may see it next year, but we may not see it next year is the group of four. Um, I automatic bid. I know. Get rid of that. If that's what you're saying, get rid of it. I don't, I don't like that.

[00:10:21] And I think that this year proves that. Yes. And I'm not knocking Boise. They have wonderful program, wonderful year. I'm so little salty from 06, but. Oh yeah. But you know, besides that. Yeah. They, I mean, like I said earlier in the show, I mean, they were what they were. They were a mountain West team that had no right to be in the playoff and that, cause that's going to upset some people, but. Well, they just. Yeah. I mean. Yeah.

[00:10:52] It, it kind of is what it is though. Like you can't, you can't argue the fact that the way the conferences are aligned now, there are super conferences. And I would, I mean, I would arguably say Notre Dame is, is obviously they're unique because they don't have their own conference. Maybe they have the right idea. I still think that they probably have the right idea, but you have the big 10 and the sec. And really outside of that, there really is a big talent gap. I feel like in, in teams and in competition.

[00:11:21] And even though the sec was really down this year, I still think that the sec was light years better than an ACC. We'll definitely talk sec here shortly. Um, I also thought the same thing about Texas in the way they played Georgia twice. And then the next SEC team finished like eighth. Yeah. Yeah. Texas losing to Georgia twice was, and then, then seeing Georgia with their collapse against

[00:11:49] Notre Dame, Georgia just was the, Georgia was the most confusing team to me in the playoffs this year, because you saw two teams with Georgia. And I don't know if I'm getting ahead of myself, but you saw two teams with Georgia. You saw a team that would play that I didn't think anybody could be. And when they were on, they were on, there was no one that could beat them. But then they had these epic collapses, their defense died. They couldn't figure out how to pass the ball. They couldn't figure out how to run the ball.

[00:12:19] And I feel like Carson Beck was, was a problem. I do feel like he was a problem. So, you know, maybe with him entering the portal, Georgia will get back to Georgia. I definitely know that, uh, Carson Beck missing him against Notre Dame really shot, shot the chance is not saying that they would have, um, uh, not saying that they would have beat Notre Dame. And Notre Dame just defensively is just out made. I do. That one caught me off guard. That was not my last part.

[00:12:46] I was so excited to trash Alabama that I trashed Alabama accidentally trying to trash it too. I did it twice. The second time I caught myself, but I was just so excited to trash both teams. Well, don't feel too bad. Don't feel too bad, Heather. I mean, I think Herb and Raj, they're still salty because Oklahoma is the reason why they're not, they weren't in the playoffs. Well, and that's, yeah, yeah. That was my argument when people would say Alabama deserved to be in an OSMU. I said, don't lose. And I don't, now I'm going to trash your team.

[00:13:16] But I'm like, don't lose. Dumpster fire. Because Oklahoma wasn't good this year. They weren't at a down year. So I just don't lose it in the manner that they did. You guys, you guys stomped them. Well, I said this last year and I said this before, I think right before the season started on the podcast. I thought Dan Lanning should have been the guy we hired. Well, he's a good coach. They'll say that to the end, but maybe Brent will take this and turn this thing around.

[00:13:45] Obviously, this is the worst season in 30 years. And I get that's not the most, you know, thing to have on your name, but two losing seasons in three years isn't really the best, best, best way to start your career as head coach. But maybe, you know, he's recruited well. The transfer portal, it is what it is. You either, you like it or you don't. But, you know, I trust him, Brent. But don't you feel like though, with programs like, like in Oklahoma, you can't have a

[00:14:13] head, like it's a win now mentality in some schools. You know, some schools, you have a little bit of grace where you have some time to build it up. But schools, like bigger schools, like in Oklahoma, where they have had a lot of success in the past, you just don't have that grace. Like you have to win now. Well, no, you absolutely nailed it. I mean, you're looking at, I mean, even from a non-college football standpoint, I mean, look at Oklahoma men's basketball, for example. You know, we've lost the first three in the SEC and now we're wanting to fire coach Porter

[00:14:42] Mosher, but even that basketball program is just, it's deteriorating. But I mean, but even from a football standpoint, going back to mainly football here. No, you're absolutely right. I mean, it's Oklahoma. Yeah. We haven't been the same since Lincoln Riley. I'll come out and say that. But he had one 10 win season since he left. But you're looking at an Oklahoma team. It's the name. It's Oklahoma, just like Ohio state, just like with Lincoln Riley. It's the, it's the names, the Florida States, the Alabamas.

[00:15:12] It don't matter 20 years from now who the head coach is. It's the, it's the fact that it is the whole Ohio state. It is Oklahoma. It is Oklahoma. Right. Right. You have that. And I mean, and you brought up Lincoln Riley. I don't think Lincoln Riley was your answer either. I don't think he's the answer. I think he can develop quarterbacks into Heisman winners. And I think that's about as far as he can take you. No, you're absolutely right. And that's proof of the pudding out in USC.

[00:15:37] He just, he's a, he is better on the, as a coordinator than he is a head coach. Yeah, he is. He is. And I mean, he really needs to figure out who to hire to get some defense because they don't, they don't love defense. I will say this. Um, I'm not taking, I respect Mike Leach. Uh, Lincoln Riley reminds me. Uh, you know what, Herb, this is our base main season.

[00:16:06] And the person that I got coming on tomorrow covers both, uh, Auburn and Alabama. The fact that our two wins in the SEC was against Alabama schools is just makes us the state champ. So I have to, I gotta take, you know, I gotta take something. You gotta get your wins. When you have an off season, you gotta get your, you gotta get your wins in. And you gotta take that, that, that W where you can. I mean, what was our next best win? Auburn.

[00:16:29] And then it would have been, I don't know, but it would have been somebody, but I don't know from there. But now, um, you know, Lincoln reminds me a lot like Mike Leach. Phenomenal offensive mind. I really firmly believe had Mike Leach had a really good defensive coordinator. He probably could have won a national championship or two at Texas tech. Well, right, right.

[00:16:56] And he's, he's not defensive minded and it's that cliche that defense wins championships. And I mean, if you look at the top four teams that were in the playoffs in the semis, they were four of the top eight defenses in college football this year. So, you know, you have to, you have to focus on, you can't score 40 and lose. And that's where, that's where some of his teams have been. Lincoln Riley. And we'll talk hot coaches.

[00:17:27] And this is where I'm thinking, I think I'm hoping Herb will stick around on this one. We'll definitely talk coaches on the hot seat in 25. Hot take number one. And I'm going to give you on this one, Ryan day, regardless wins a national championship, whether he does or he doesn't this year, he loses to Michigan next year. He's fired. No, I don't think so. And I've talked a lot about this on my show. So I think we're in a different era anymore.

[00:17:55] I think that there's, there's two, I have two schools of thoughts on this. The first one is the further you get into the playoffs, the further the memory of the loss gets like people forget. We don't forget, but we forgive a little bit more. And I think that we're in an era now where if we win a national championship and we don't beat Michigan, it doesn't feel as bad. Like that rivalry is a rivalry. Yes. But ultimately your end goal is to win a national championship.

[00:18:23] And Ryan day is doing that right now. He's at least giving us a chance to win that national chance. And I say us, like I'm out there, right? But he's giving us a chance to win that, to win that national championship. And I just think that, yeah, it means something you want to beat Michigan, but ultimately at the end of the day, you think university is going to fire him for bringing in. What was it? It was, I think it was 4 million and 4 million.

[00:18:50] And then like 8 million, there's, there's something like a $20 million pot just for making it into the, into the national championship. You think that the university is going to say you lost to Michigan, but you brought us $20 million and we're going to, we're going to fire you. So it's just, it's just not how it works. And Ryan day is a really good recruiter. And we talk a lot about this all the time. Who else are you going to get? Get Mike Rabel just went to, to the Patriots.

[00:19:19] So don't talk about him. I had joked about, you know, not joked kind of half joked when I was still pretty salty about Michigan. I said, you know, who else would you want? Marcus Freeman. Well, Notre Dame just gave him a big fat extension. So really who else are you getting that? Who else is out there? So I think he's safe. Like that's my long winded way of saying, I think he's very safe regardless next year. If this is the same result that we have next year, he's fine. What if I'll give you another option. I'm just curious from a Ohio state standpoint.

[00:19:48] What if he gets blown out by Notre Dame and loses to Michigan next year? Regardless of the playoff outcome. Obviously, I mean, we can't really predict the playoff, but let's just say you make it first round outing. Let's just put it that way. I don't know. We can't predict that one. I think it would depend on how he did in the playoffs again. I think if we made it into the playoffs and we made it this far, I think that it would be okay again. But I don't think we're going to get blown out. I'm just going on record.

[00:20:18] No, no, no, exactly. No, I don't. I think it could be. I think it could be the other way around. I'm really curious to have a Notre Dame defense stands up. But yeah, that's my key to the game. Well, it's my one A key to the game. My one B key to the game. My one A key is how Ohio State's defense stands up against that running game.

[00:20:45] I know what's it's got to be kind of funny, though. Let's just say Ohio State wins the national championship, which is possible at this point. How does it feel knowing on August 30th you guys are having your banner raised against Texas in the season opener? Does that kind of does that kind of get you? Do you think Texas fans, that's a little salt in the wound for them? Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's a lot of salt. That's a that's like like that's there's injury and insult.

[00:21:14] And then we're stomping it into the ground because, I mean, we had to beat them. And and, you know, it was a very close game. How that until that strip sack and I manifested that maybe maybe not. I manifested it a lot earlier, but I was like, I really want to see a strip sack. And and our boy, our boy, Jack Sawyer, like it was it was it was the most beautiful play I think I've ever seen in my life. I think I'm fighting whatever whatever it is going around.

[00:21:42] I was very sick on Friday, but I was that gave me a little bit of a jolt. So, yeah, I think that that for fans, I think for fans, that's that's huge. Well, you know, you did us sooner fans proud because even though they won playoff games, theoretically, neither Texas nor Oklahoma has won a college football semifinal round. So in theory, they really haven't had anything.

[00:22:10] Well, it was nice to knock an SEC team out and hurt. I'm sorry, but that's all we hear for the Big Ten. Honest to God, like that's all we've ever heard. My whole entire fandom. It has been the SEC is the best. The SEC is the best. The Big Ten sucks. The Big Ten sucks. So it's just nice to see the Big Ten representing Michigan won last year. And you can talk about that history, whatever. It's it's in the past. I don't want to get into all that. But the Big Ten won and we're in it again this year.

[00:22:40] So it's just nice to see the conference being represented. No, I think that does help the Big Ten, especially get that chip off the shoulder. I know in the past they haven't, for the most part, has not fared well against the SEC. But I think if referring to Ryan Day, I think if he wins this year, he's safe. But if he but he still doesn't need to lose to Michigan again. Well, he's going to get that. He's got to get that. I don't know what the I don't know what they're in his head.

[00:23:10] We forgot what a forward pass was that game. So I have no idea. I don't believe so. The idea is to win a national championship. Michigan game is the most important regular season game. We beat Michigan 15 of 16 times, won national championship. And that time stand out, take the win over LSU or Florida and trade a few wins. Yeah, I would, too. That's where I'm that's where I'm kind of at now. Like, did it hurt? Did that Michigan loss hurt? Oh, yeah. I canceled every plan that I had and I saw it the whole entire night.

[00:23:38] I think I ate like a whole entire piece and a whole entire panties. I'm not I'm not exaggerating. Like, it was bad. I warned. I was it was bad. But we made it into the playoffs and then we beat Tennessee. And then all of a sudden it's like, OK. And then we blew out Oregon. And it's like, OK, you know, every win. Every win makes you feel a little bit better. Yeah. Virginia Tech. That that was it.

[00:24:05] It was almost like there's a lot of parallel to that because there was almost that was the first year of the expanded playoffs. That was the first year. So we lost that Virginia Tech game. We lost early. We did what we were supposed to do. We lost early. And it sort of shot us in the foot. And I feel like that Michigan loss just changed. It fundamentally changed something in our offense. Like, all of a sudden we were all we. Everybody was playing. I know.

[00:24:34] Like, I like it's always it always the irony is never lost on me when I'm sitting there criticizing a player sitting on my couch, you know, drinking vodka. I'm not drinking water today, but like I'm drinking on the couch and I'm criticizing, you know, elite athletes. I'm like, geez. But well, I'm sure Chip Kelly was calling you, though, deep inside. Oh, obviously. I mean, he's all the guys. Heather Speed Dive. Yeah. Yeah. No, and Jim Knowles was like, OK, I don't want to disappoint Heather.

[00:25:04] I love for the record. I've never I've never even even in the Michigan game. I didn't trash the team because it's just it's just not who I am. I'm a homer. But I was upset. It feels like it just sort of fundamentally changed the direction that we were going with our with our game plans. Ohio State blowout. OSU close fans. Notre Dame close fans. Those options. I just can't see. No, I don't think Notre Dame blows them out.

[00:25:31] I think if there was one, it'd be Ohio State over Notre Dame. Yeah. Hopefully it's a close game to end up the college football season. Mike, just tell me if you need me, Chubb. Nah, Herb, you're good. The other half of the Herbert Raj podcast. Everyone. Evening, everyone. Roll Ted. Good evening, Mr. Raj. Damn, Herb. Will you shut up so someone else can comment? Sheesh my geesh. I'm going to use that, though. I usually say yikes on bikes, but now I'm going to say shush my geesh. Oh, I just had someone.

[00:26:00] I just had someone message me and he's right. The loss to Michigan probably did save Ryan Day's job in a sense because they're coaching like they should have been the whole entire year. Because just looking back and watching, we didn't even play this well against teams that we should have. I was at the Nebraska game. I was actually at two games this year. The first game I went, it was at Akron, I think it was, and that was a blowout. But the Nebraska game, that was terrible.

[00:26:29] I'm like, I brought my friend Lana to her first game. And I'm like, okay, she's going to see a loss here at the shoe. I've never seen a loss. It was bad. So even against the teams that we should have been playing well against, we didn't. And all of a sudden now they are. So he's right. With this roster, Ryan Day and Chip Kelly are finally coaching the way that they're supposed to. Yeah, that was. That was the year that Braxton got hurt. And then JT got hurt.

[00:26:58] And Cardale Jones was, he came in, 12-inch came in in the Big Ten Championship game against Wisconsin. And we rolled them 59-0. Oh, God. Score prediction with, I know obviously Ohio State winning. What is your score prediction coming against Wisconsin? I'm really bad at these score predictions.

[00:27:27] I still don't see like a super high scoring game. I'm going to go like a 28, maybe 17 win Ohio State. I don't think it's going to be like super crazy high score. I think you're going to see a defensive one or the other. One way or another, I think you're going to see a defensive score. I think I'm going to go 28, 14, or I'm sorry, 28, 17 Ohio State. Yeah. Herb just had a really good comment about what was holding us back. I think Ohio State wins.

[00:27:57] I'm with you. I don't think it's going to be high. Not that 28 points is a lot, but what we've seen, it's not. Yeah, I was going to say, I don't think it's going to be high score, maybe 20. So I'm kind of in that 27 realm still. So 27, 17, 27, 14, somewhere in that time frame. I feel like the only thing holding back Ohio State. I think that's been a thing, really. And I can't really vouch because I haven't watched every single Ohio State game.

[00:28:24] But the games I did, I think Chip Kelly has been really the weakest link at times. Oh, yeah. It's been the play calling has sometimes been just baffling. It's been so conservative. And it's something that I've talked about, too. And I always joke and I say, obviously, I'm an expert. I have a podcast. So I'm an expert and I know what I'm talking about. But I feel like with a lot of teams, like with Notre Dame, Notre Dame is the kind of team where most teams are. You want to dominate on the line of scrimmage.

[00:28:53] You want to establish that run game so that you can open up. Not that Notre Dame has a great passing game. But you can open it up at least a little bit where Ohio State's always been the opposite. We have the best wide receivers in the country. And you need to open up like Ohio State needs to open up that that air game, that passing game in order to establish that run game. And that's what we've done the last three games. Our run game has finally come back a little bit because we're passing the ball a lot more efficiently and a lot more often.

[00:29:24] And I just in that Michigan game, we literally forgot what a forward pass was. We were trying so hard to be this tough, you know, dominant, smash mouth football kind of team. And it just wasn't working. And we abandoned everything that we were good at. And yes, Jeremiah Smith is the best wide receiver on earth. Oh, by far. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, he was held to what, five yards or something like that.

[00:29:50] But if you looked, they had, they had him triangled the entire game. They had three men ready to cover him at any given play. So you had to have triple coverage on him, which was, it was nice to see Carnell Tate getting involved in the offense. And, and Texas even did, you know, Texas did a great job, you know, holding, holding Jeremiah down.

[00:30:15] And I still think at times though, that, you know, don't you think that you obviously got to give credit to Texas, but, you know, in a way, is there any blame on chip to try to get that him kind of more of the passes or just got to give credit to Texas? I think you have to give credit to Texas. Texas had a really good game plan. And I think we had the yips a little bit. I mean, I think it was a high pressure situation, but I think Texas defense was just better than what we had, what we had anticipated.

[00:30:43] So the, you know, the fact that we were able to put up three scores on them and then the defensive touchdown, like I was, I was okay with that. I don't think it, I don't think it was a bad game plan. Of course, the transfer portal has been a very interesting, very interesting.

[00:31:01] Of course, Quinn Ewers, supposedly, you know, he declared, but now some people saying he's kind of maybe rethinking, you know, Michigan, I think it was Michigan. Somebody was willing to pay him for, do you think he comes back? If not, could you see him at Ohio State next year? No, I think he's stupid. I mean, and I don't mean this disrespectfully.

[00:31:26] I think he's stupid if he comes back because his draft stock, just as the playoffs went on. And I think that as the season, to be honest with you, his draft stock started dropping. I don't foresee him going to another school and being able to raise that draft stock. And all he's going to do is risk injury. He's already going to be, he's going to be high. You know, I don't think he's going to go first round now. Maybe he'll go late first round.

[00:31:55] He'll definitely go in the second round. So, and Carson Beck went to Miami. Bye. Good. Yeah. He won't win. I mean, no, no, no, no, no, no. And the only reason Miami was, was any good. I mean, Carson Beck isn't going to, he doesn't have a talent around him like he did at Georgia. That was, that was a party move. Social media move. Have fun, Carson. I hope he knows one thing. Well, I'm going to say that because that's kind of mean, but.

[00:32:24] No, you should say, because it's probably something I've said. I'm just saying, Carson, you better watch yourself. That chick may use you all your money and now you'll be broke as a joke. Yep. Because if she remember his bubbling personality, that's for sure. I just don't, I don't have like, I, I'm not, I'm not a Carson Beck fan. And it's not because I hate Georgia already. Like, honestly, like I could be fans of, of players from other schools. I'm not, I'm a URs fan.

[00:32:53] You know, I'm a Quinn URs fan. And there were a couple of players that I got to see this year in the playoffs that you normally get to see because they're, you know, left coast or they're not highly televised. But I think that, yeah, Miami won't win. No, I think that won't. I don't think they'll make the playoffs next year. Miami won't. But URs, I think that URs needs to stay in the draft, enter the draft, stay in the draft and move on to the next thing.

[00:33:23] Because who knows? Maybe he got a bit of a higher ceiling. You know, maybe the Texas, sometimes you're, you're limited in college with the talent around you. So maybe in the NFL, I think, you know, he has a chance to be something really good. Of course, the Heisman Trophy took place early December. I have no, nothing against this one, but Travis Hunter, of course, Heisman Trophy winner. Yeah. I feel like Travis Hunter.

[00:33:53] Yeah. I think he'll do, you know, his girlfriend's little, or fiance, whatever she is. I don't know what's going on with that. I feel so bad for him. Like, I wanted to go, like, mom him and be so excited for him. I feel so bad. Well, did you see Dion? He kind of, like, told her, like, get up, chick. Like, what are you doing? What are you doing, lady? So, I love reading the memes about her. It's interesting. Hopefully, he figures all that out.

[00:34:19] But, yeah, you don't get distracted, especially going into the biggest moment of your life. No. I have nothing. Obviously, I think the committee, the voters won that one. I don't think. Who was second? Oh, they're running back from Boise. Yeah. I can't think of his name. No. Because everybody says it wrong. Well, you don't want me to say it, then. Jesus.

[00:34:46] I'm sure I'll butcher it to a T. Yeah. Boise's name. I can see his name. I can't see it because I watched him. Ashton Gentty, I guess is how you say it. I guess we'll run with that. Yeah. We'll just. We'll just. Yeah. He was. He was. Let me see if I can figure out how to. Yeah. Ashton Gentty. Yeah. We'll go with that. Okay. I think it was. Because everybody. Everybody gets their names wrong.

[00:35:15] I announce them, too. I. This. It's too much. Some of these names. I'm like, okay. I need it phonetically spelled on your jersey, please. Thank you. No. We know it's Gentty. Is it? Yeah. It's Gentty. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Jeremiah Smith. Here you go. Will Jeremiah Smith be in New York next year for the Heisman presentation? I think. Well, I think it just depends. See, that's the problem with a wide receiver being in the Heisman race because they're only as good as your quarterback.

[00:35:46] And that's why it's generally a quarterback's award to get. It's because it's like a Marvin Harrison. He deserved it because he had. He didn't have a great quarterback and he still had a really, really good year. So I think Jeremiah Smith will be, you know, Ed Orgeron or Oregon. I say Oregon. I say Oregon. I am like an enunciator.

[00:36:13] So if you ask me to say the word owl, I don't say owl. I say owl. How do you say Nevada? I say Nevada. I don't say Nevada. I'm not. I might sound bougie sports, but I'm not bougie myself. Bougie. Bougie. I like that. We had a question on who Ohio State's quarterback is going to be. It's going to be Julian San. It's going to be San. That's my. I've been saying that. I've been saying that all year.

[00:36:43] It's going to be San. It was always so frustrating when we would get a lead and they would put Devin Brown in. And I understood why. But I'm like, we need to see San in because he's going to be our guy next year. Will Howard obviously could be a national championship quarterback. But what was your first thoughts when he transferred from Kansas State to Ohio State? I was excited. Honestly, I was excited just because of. I didn't know much about him.

[00:37:10] So before I made a rash reaction, which I never do, I looked up stats. And my biggest excitement about him was his size and his ability to run. So he was big. He had a big arm. And he could run. And I loved that. So I don't think he's proven us wrong. I think he's been really solid under center. I was curious. The worst. He's the worst quarterback in the in the playoffs. So whatever.

[00:37:40] No, I was kind of curious because, you know, obviously seeing him. Obviously, Kansas at the time, Big 12. Obviously, in the Big 12. I was kind of curious your guys' reaction of how kind of the vibe he was giving out in Columbus. Yeah. And in fact, Will Howard was 0-3 against Texas before the game this past week. He was. Yes. Because there was a lot of talk about that. Like, how would he respond to it? Will Howard. Okay.

[00:38:09] So Will Howard, to me, is one of those guys now that he's a Buckeye. He's one of us. He's on our team. He's one of those quarterbacks, though, where if I'm not an Ohio State fan, I don't love the guy because he is pretty cocky. He's really cocky. So, you know, he's a Buckeye. And I freaking love that. Like, I will eat that stuff up all day. But, I mean, in all fairness to most people outside of Ohio don't love Ohio State.

[00:38:36] We're not a team that everybody is indifferent to. We're a team that everybody either loves or they absolutely hate. So, but if I'm, like, an indifferent fan, I'm looking at Will Howard and I'm like, guy's kind of a jerk. You know, as an Ohio State fan, I'm like, I eat this up all day. I love this guy. He's kind of like a signet-y. Right? Like, you love him if he's yours. But outside of that, you're like, oh, no, I can't stand him. Coach, is this where I'm going to get?

[00:39:06] I'm hoping we're getting some, I'm going to, we're going to get some reactions here. Coach is on the hot seat for 2025. Who would be some of yours that you would consider in 25? Lincoln Riley. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, I think Lincoln Riley is, his days are numbered. He's a, he's a, he's a, he's a hopper. And, you know, and he goes where, where the next, you know, sexy job is. And he doesn't produce.

[00:39:35] I think that, I think, I definitely think. I wonder, Texas has, Texas has a very, not that, I'm not saying that he's going to be on the hot seat next year. But I will tell you that if Sark doesn't start to really produce, I think that he'll be in the discussion. And I think, no, I think that DeBoer, is that how you say his name, DeBoer? For Alabama. I think that he is going to be on the hot seat.

[00:40:01] I think he's number one on the hot seat because Alabama is one of those teams that is a win now, period. Well. Brian Kelly should never coach again in college. I can't stand him. Brian Kelly should never coach after that freaking viral video of him dancing with the recruit. And then he later on. I never have like Brian Kelly. I don't think James Franklin is actually going to be on the hot seat because, because legitimately, what else can that guy do that would not have gotten him fired already?

[00:40:29] He's, he's got an abysmal record against top five teams. He's got an abysmal record in the big 10. And, you know, he makes it into the playoffs every year and they don't advance. So I don't know what else he can do that would get him fired. So I don't think that he's on the hot seat. I do think that DeBoer is. I, uh, no, going to James Franklin. No, I don't think he would be just simply, I think Penn state has met their sky the limit this year.

[00:40:58] I think that what we saw this year is what we're going to just see from them. I don't see them any, any good. He doesn't do well against top five. Like you mentioned, he doesn't do anything. Even the top 20, he don't do well against that. Yeah. Ranked teams. He's gotten a real aversion to, and he's just, I think they're satisfied with what they get out of them. I don't, unless he goes, Lord, I don't even know what the record would be for him to be fired. Um, either. That's the thing. Like, I don't know what his basement is because he's mediocre.

[00:41:28] He's not a coach. He's not. I don't know. And, and I don't, you know, there, there's all that talk about like NIL. And I mean, I don't know if we're going to get into that with the NIL, but Penn state didn't have a terrible NIL budget. They had 13 and a half million. So I don't know. I don't know what Franklin has to do to get himself fired. I will say, and I was a guest on the Herbert Rod. We had a debate with me and a gentleman by the name of Mike.

[00:41:56] And, uh, the question was who's going to be, we had to practically say who's going to last the longest Brent Venables or, or coach DeBoer. And, uh, what's funny is I think both could easily be out next year. I think, I think coach DeBoer could easily be out next year. Another nine and three, nine and four season. You know, Alabama is definitely not going to tolerate that at all. And Oklahoma, another six and seven season or, or even less than that. I think Brent Venables is out.

[00:42:26] Um, you know, who could replace them? I don't know. Obviously that's a topic for another day, but I think, um, coach DeBoer, you, like you said, Lincoln Riley, I'm even going to go out on the limb. And I would even say, um, you know, Hugh Freeze at Auburn, I think could easily be, I think, uh, Mike Norvell at Florida state. Oh, and Mike Norvell is gone.

[00:42:53] Like I can easily be, um, especially in the season after this. Mm-hmm. The thing is interesting. Well, and the thing with, with team, with like a Norvell or even a DeBoer, you have these teams that you're coming in and they're built for success now. It's not like you're coming into these programs, like with an Oklahoma too, like you're not coming into these programs where you have to rebuild from the bottom up.

[00:43:22] And that's the thing with these, these big schools like that, where that's, I think that's where the win now mentality comes in because you're built for success now. And then you come in and you have one bad coach and it just kind of, you, you wreck the whole foundation and it just crumbles. And that's where Alabama needs to be.

[00:43:42] He better have a really good year this year because he was, he was hand gifted a team that should have made the playoffs, but they didn't, they just didn't gel. They just didn't mesh. They looked off the whole year.

[00:43:57] This one, Herb, I think in this aspect, I don't know who you would, no, it's crazy to think it'd be next year that things same as Brent, but it's, you know, like we mentioned earlier in the show, it's the names of Alabama, the Ohio States, the Oklahoma's. I think even for a year to kind of salvage them back, you know, maybe a Nick do what Oklahoma did, even though that was a one game ordeal, maybe bring Nick back for a year. I don't know. So, um, and then going back, what about Lanning?

[00:44:27] I don't think so. No, not at all. I mean, he, they had a magic season. No one expected him to be that good. I think what he's waiting on is a big time SEC team to open up. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think Lanning is, is, and I do agree. I think that we are so quick to fire the coach, fire the coach, fire the coach. And nobody thinks about like the future of the program because you do lose recruits. You do lose a lot of that continuity when you fire these coaches.

[00:44:55] So I think that firing DeBoer would be a bad idea, but money talks. Which leads to what was going to lead to a lot of reasons why these coaches are on a hot seat quicker than they are now is a transfer portal. And the NIL, a lot of people believe that's why Nick Saban got out of it and why, whether or not he would come back. I don't know what your thoughts, first of all, on the NIL and the transfer portal. Just a, it's a ridiculous thing.

[00:45:24] It needs to be fixed. I just don't know what it is. Yeah. But let's start with the NIL, your thoughts on the NIL and the new world of college football. So in theory, it's, it's, I had, I, last week we were talking about this, Mike, my, my guest was talking about this. We were, the NIL in theory works. It's a great idea. I love that the players can finally get paid, that get paid for their likeness because they were making the NCAA and the universities billions of dollars.

[00:45:54] So I like the fact that they can get paid. What I don't love is the fact that you are always, and I say this as an Ohio state fan, you were always going to have the same programs that are in the top who are able to raise ungodly amounts of money to give these kids. So you're always going to have the Oregon's. You're always going to have the Ohio state. You're always going to have the Michigan's. You're always going to have the Alabama's Texas's. These teams are always going to be in the top.

[00:46:22] So they're always going to get the top tier talent because money talks. So do you treat it like it's in the NFL? Do you give a salary cap per se where you're only allowed to spend X amount of dollars? You know, each university is allowed like a percentage of their revenue or you have a salary cap. There's got to be something that you can do. But I know that what they're doing right now isn't working because it's lawless.

[00:46:50] It's insanity what these people are getting. Well, who is that quarterback for why can't I? His name escapes me for Michigan, that true freshman that they have coming in. They give him $10 million. $10 million for an 18-year-old child who's never seen a snap on the field. And I would say that if you had said that they were going to give Jeremiah Smith $10 million last year,

[00:47:16] before I had ever seen him take a snap, I would have said that's insanity because you don't know. Well, no, you don't. And it's just like, you know, people can sit there and say, well, just like the rookies in college football are in the NFL. Absolutely right, too. Yes. But they're capped as well, too. Yeah. You know? Well, I mean, look at the Oklahoma side. You know, Mateer, I think is how you say it.

[00:47:44] From my understanding, they were in a bidding war at the end because, you know, with Coach Arbuckle being the odds on favor to land Mateer, I think North Carolina Coach Bilicek was trying to get involved. I think Miami did the last. So I don't know what the bidding war ended up being, but we're literally bidding. And obviously he has the experience compared to a high school quarterback. But, you know, Marvin Jones Jr., the edge out of Florida State. Yeah. I'm sure he wasn't cheap, and I'm not knocking him.

[00:48:14] You know, you get your money, we can get your money at. But, you know, I think to an extent, like you said, I think you're going to have to cap it somehow. Do you know, I'm kind of not really confused. I'm trying to figure out what this role plays into it. What does a general manager in this aspect? I know every university has one. Do you know what the role is? Are they the cap people or we don't really? Well, I don't think that.

[00:48:41] I think that that's where the problem is because I have been trying to figure out. They just manage the funds, I think, to make sure that they're appropriated correctly and that no one is siphoning anything off. But I don't think that they actually manage it. I think that they're just overseeing it to make sure that there's nothing illegal going on. Not that there are a whole lot of laws and rules around it. But I think that that's really all that they do. There isn't a lot of oversight with this.

[00:49:07] And one of the other things that is what do you do? There's actually two things that I've been really trying to look into this and see what the NIL entails. And one of my questions was, is that what happens? Okay. What happens if you give this kid $10 million to come to your university and he plays one year and then he leaves and enters the transfer portal the next year? What happens? And actually, they're finding now that you can sue.

[00:49:36] These kids can get sued now. So you're opening up a ridiculous can of worms because they are actually signing contracts. Some of these kids are signing contracts. And I'm not saying they're signing them with the universities. They're signing them with the, like the Dave Portnoy put this money into the, into the fund and they're expected to stay. And now whether or not you would sue, I don't know. I don't know what that would look like because obviously we haven't gotten that far into it.

[00:50:06] Right. But another thing would be, okay, let's say we do a salary cap. What's to stop some of the boosters from saying, okay, I'm going to hire you to be a spokesperson for, you know, or my assistant. Your, your annual salary is going to be $3 million a year. And the only thing I ask is that you stay in Ohio state. So what would be to stop that? So I feel like there are just, there's so much gray area surrounding this. I don't know how you ever get it under control.

[00:50:36] I don't know. So I'm in my head just tentatively, like just a short amount of time. I don't know if, if there's an answer. They don't have to figure something out. Team Joe Saban. There's more to fix that people realize. Yeah, that's it. That's a really good point. You could see a lot of the flaws on the field this year. It's not a knock on OSU. Heather knows this because her and I are Cleveland fans, especially for baseball.

[00:51:06] I don't get the Dolans and the guardians. Yeah. Baseball is just, I'm a Yankee fan, but it's insane. It's going to be the Yankees and the Dodgers for a long time to come. Yeah. It's, it's just insane that, that baseball just has no cap. I don't think at this point. And I agree. Just like the transfer portal. I still think the transfer portal needs to get fixed to an extent. I do too.

[00:51:36] There needs to be term limits. You can transfer like twice or, you know, there, there's gotta be some, you can't, because did you see that they're talking about adding a fifth year of eligibility? They're, they're looking into that. So in theory, somebody could play for five different schools, five different regions, and they could, and I promise you it'll happen if they don't put some kind of limitation on it. I promise you it could happen. Well, who was that? That was, was that? I don't think it was Miami.

[00:52:06] It might've been. Who was it that the player was on the sideline crying? Cause he was finishing up his ninth and final year. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't Miami. I can't remember, but it was, it was, it was at nine. I thought it was eight, but yeah. He had like, he had red shirted. He had medical red shirted. He was a graduate student. Then COVID. Like he had all of these extensions and I mean, dude has like three degrees now.

[00:52:32] Like, I mean, no, but there has to be some kind of, of limitation, like a max number of, of transfers that you are allowed because like it or not, we are in a participation trophy and listen, I'm not, I will not, the, the, the men, the boys that are playing, they are boys in age, but they are men mentality for Notre Dame and Ohio state.

[00:53:01] The ones that are playing, they have a killer mentality. They have a win mentality. They do not have a participation trophy mentality, but they are the elite of the elite. You're going to have some of these kids that are going to some of these smaller schools that are participation trophy era kids, and they are going to want to play. And if they don't play, they're going to take their ball and they're going to go home. And they're going to keep doing that until they can find someone who's going to play them. Um, it's just going to happen. And I think that that just wrecks the integrity of the game.

[00:53:31] It, I know I got censored before I'm going to get censored again. And that's perfect. I get censored. I get warned. It's insane. It's, it's just insane, but it is what it is. The, the, um, the society is so soft. Yes. That we have to physically, oh, it's okay. Hey, Michael, it's, you can go here. They'll, they'll, they'll probably start you. Well, then he gets benched.

[00:53:59] Well, I don't want to play here anymore. Yeah. Well, then, oh, and then, oh, we'll go over here. Oh, Heather. It's, it's okay. You can start on Tennessee volunteers basketball team. Yeah. And then whoever the coach down there is for the women's basketball team. This is, nah, hold that thought. Right, right, right. Exactly. You get upset. Well, I wouldn't go transfer again. So practically you're going as you please. I mean, just for a prime example, I'm no knock on Malachi Nelson, but you know, the number

[00:54:25] one recruit coming out of high school a few years back when Lincoln Riley was a head coach here, I think he dipped to USC. He realized he wasn't playing with Lincoln. So he dipped to, I believe it was Boise first. He dipped to USC first, I think maybe somebody else before Boise, but then Boise, now he's down to UTEP, but it's all, oh, we're talking about a one hit wonder going down the drain. Right. But that's, but that's the thing, but that's the thing instead of staying and working because

[00:54:52] you had to, you didn't have a choice because back in the day you had to, you lost a year of eligibility. So did you want to lose a year of eligibility and transfer out or do you want to work harder and try to get that starting, that starting job? Um, I, I just don't know. Um, I don't know. Again, I think just like, just how much, how much money are we talking?

[00:55:20] I was going to say, Raj, I know I may have to put that out then. Um, but, um, um, but no, I think the NCAA has got to get, they got to figure something out with the NIO, maybe a cap thing. I don't know what that looks like, but if anything, the transfer portal, I think that's just, it's gone insane. Um, because I'm flawless. There's, there's no roles around it. You just go. Oh, well, we'll go to Auburn the next week and then the week after that, I don't like what's going on. So I'll, I'll dip out.

[00:55:50] Did you notice in, in, in Herb and Raj, I think you can tell me, I believe it was an Alabama player. I don't think it was a Georgia player. I believe it was an Alabama player this year where like it was the first or second game of the season. He decided that he was going to redshirt because he was going to enter the transfer portal and he didn't want to lose a year of eligibility. So he just, he redshirted himself and ended up into the transfer portal. And that's, to me, that's just, you should not be allowed to do that.

[00:56:20] No, that's, that's absolute blasphemy. Like, I, I don't, I don't get it. Where is that competitive edge that these kids, they just, they're missing it. Well, it's not, it's now literally about the Benjamins. Now there's not, you know, there's no. Right. Really love, love college football like you used to be. And, and I don't know. I think the NCAA, you know, will Nick Saban be the committee? I mean, could he be the one that literally stops it?

[00:56:49] I don't know. I don't know if they're ever going to have a commissioner, but they do. I don't know what Nick Saban has really grown on me this year. I really, he was. Yeah. At the beginning of the year, I'm like, how are they going to have him doing game day? And you could see that Pat McAfee was stressing him out, but the letter, you know, the latter, latter games, Nick Saban has really grown on me. He actually does have a little bit of a sense of humor. I like the fact that he's gotten feisty from a coach's standpoint. He has.

[00:57:18] And the fact that, um, and there you go. There's your. The he noticed. Okay. So I, yeah, I, I just, I had remembered hearing about that. I thought, excuse me, you are choosing to red shirt yourself, sir. You go sit down. Very, no way. I'm going to put you in every snap now. Don't even play. As we wind down the home stretch, coach Dion made a little splash in college football when he took over Jackson state.

[00:57:47] And then of course, going to Colorado. What were your, first of all, I want to say, what are your thoughts on how he's done thus far? Even though it's Colorado one, but more importantly, what are your thoughts on him being involved in Shadur Sanders and even Shiloh, but mainly Shadur, I'm sure his draft plans, if you will. And being the final boss of, I'll take it from WWE standpoint, the final boss of where he, where he is going.

[00:58:14] I think he's done a really nice job at Colorado as a coach. And when I say nice job, I'm probably going to get attacked because people love Dion. I don't actually hate the guy, but you know, he had like a lot of, he had a lot of talent. He's done an okay job, you know, didn't surround himself. I don't think maybe by the greatest coaching staff that he could have. I think because he has that, I'm the greatest mentality and you have to, to be a player as

[00:58:43] outrageously talented as he is, you have to have that mentality. But as a coach, you have to know it's like being a leader for anything. You have to surround yourself with people who make you look good. I don't think he does that. I think he surrounds himself with yes men. So he's done a fine job. I don't know if that's going to be sustainable now that he's lost all that talent. So we'll see. I don't even know if he sticks with coaching to be completely honest with you.

[00:59:08] And then to your second point, I don't love, I think that he should guide his son, but I think you're getting dangerously into the ball family territory where you're going to ruin your kid's career because you can't stay out of it. I've heard. No, I'm with you on that one. I think you're, you're going to be in a Archie Manning type of thing with Eli.

[00:59:32] And I know way back before my time, John Aoway back in the 82. But I believe apparently people say his dad got involved. I did not know that. But anyway, yeah, just don't talk about the 99 yard drive and we'll be all right for, I don't want to bring that up, but you know, yeah, we might've got smashed around Buffalo. I got to have some insight, great insight to look forward to.

[00:59:58] But anyway, no, I just say, you know, Shadur is talented. I don't know what he can and can't do in the NFL. I don't know. He showed some flashes. He sold some at times too, though. That's the thing. That's the thing is quarterback draft class is weak and Shadur is included in that for me. Yes. And I'm not saying, you know, I thought Caleb was a bust coming in.

[01:00:25] I think you could add that to Shadur potentially depends on where he lands. Well, that's the thing. It depends on where he lands. I think Caleb might've done a little bit better with a better organization. He had arguably, and I say this as a Browns fan, the worst coach in the NFL. I mean, Oh, absolutely. Oh my God. Now seeing some of those, you know, I saw it. I don't know.

[01:00:48] I don't know about Caleb Williams and where he could have gone, but I Chicago in it. And I think that's going to be it for Shadur. There's a lot of talk about him going to the Browns. I'll be completely honest with you. I'm not on board with that. I'm not on board with Cam Ward either. I wasn't, and I definitely wasn't the way he presented himself towards the end of the season. Yep. That was it for me. Me too.

[01:01:16] Now I did hear, which this will bring up the next one. You know, college coaches hasn't very well fared in the NFL for the most part. I don't know if you've been listening to the latest rumors. Of course, Dallas not bringing back Mike McCarthy, which that's not a surprise. Yeah, no, that's not a surprise at all. No. I'm long. I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did, to be honest. So much. I didn't think he was going to make it. No. Two college coaches being mentioned for Dallas.

[01:01:46] Dion and Coach Sarkeesian. Sarke probably would be better than Dion. Dion would never be able to come. He would have respect, but he wouldn't have control. And that would be the problem. You can't control NFL players. And that's what Dion Sanders needs. He needs control. Sarke might not be a bad. He's, you know, he's offensive minded, obviously. And if he surrounded himself with a good staff, I think he'd be okay. Maybe like a Pete Carroll thing.

[01:02:14] I mean, Pete Carroll really translated very well into the NFL, obviously. Sarke wouldn't. I wouldn't be mad about that. Would he be my first choice? No. But if my team hired him, would I be upset about it? Also no. I would even go out on the limb and say, had Lincoln Riley not struggled at USC? I think he could have been mentioned. But I think his name kind of dipped. Well, yeah. Because he doesn't know what defense is. No.

[01:02:45] Ryan Day. No. That's just wishful thinking. That ain't happening, sir. I don't know if he heard. I know Cam Newton. I don't know if it was today or what. Lincoln Riley sucks. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I do know one thing. I don't, you know, I'm not going to speak for all of OU country here or Sooner Nation here, but I, you know, I kind of would like him to come back at this point. At least we won more.

[01:03:14] But anyway, so Cam Newton brought up something interesting was the fact that Dallas could go after Deion and then Dallas would trade up to Tennessee, give them Dak, and they could get Shadur. Sure. However, like you at the same time, kind of barely up on what you said. Jerry Jones, first of all, is the, I'm not a Dallas Cowboy fan by any means. I'm not either. I can tell you what they do. He's the puppet master though. Jerry Jones is, he's, he's controlled. He's the GM. He's the head coach. He's everything.

[01:03:44] And I don't think Deion can, like you said, that's the biggest issue. And until Jerry gives up that GM spot, Dallas is not going to win another Super Bowl. Correct. And the last one wasn't for you, coach. So. Yeah. No, that's, that's, I just don't think that that would be a good fit at all. Deion would not be a good fit. I just think Deion stays in college. That's a good fit for him. If he does stay. I mean, if we're going to be completely honest, you know, I wouldn't be surprised to see him foray into being an agent. No, absolutely.

[01:04:14] Maybe like a, you know, Mike Novell's in the hot seat. Maybe stick around Boulder one more year, see what happens in Tallahassee. Oh, maybe. Maybe. I mean, you get more resources down there. So. Right. Last one. Dark horse. I know it's way too early, but what are a few of your teams regarding dark horses for next year's national championship contenders? Oh. Or at least a playoff spot. I'll add the ones that has no chance. Well, okay.

[01:04:44] So I'm going to probably regret this because they're in our, and it's definitely not going to be Michigan. I'm never going to say, I'm not going to say it. I'm not going to trash Michigan. Penn state. Look how many people they have coming back. I think they have, I think they have a real shot because they were really one terrible play away from going. I mean, that, that drew Aller about interception. I mean, he threw right down the middle.

[01:05:11] So they were one play away and everybody is returning. I do think that they will be, I think that they will be in it. So I think that Penn state would be my, my dark horse, my, maybe my like medium, like my gray, my gray horse to make it into the, into the finals. So. I agree on that one. Sometimes Franklin takes them out of contention.

[01:05:38] Um, I can tell you what I don't ever see is any of these, these lower conference schools, the mountain West, the ACC's. I don't ever see them being able to compete with any of these, these big schools. Um, that's who I would right now, like way too early. I guess that's who, that's who I would say. I think Michigan is going to have a really good team next year. I think you're going to see a turnaround with Alabama.

[01:06:05] I think you're going to see a big turnaround because you're going to start to get some recruits that fit in their scheme. And, um, a team that I don't think is Tennessee. I think Tennessee was very overrated this year. Yes. So, so I would say, and you know what, it doesn't seem like it, but, but like for as bad of a season they had this year, I think they're going to really learn it around next year. And I think you're going to see a fall off from Georgia too. I don't think Georgia is going to recover from this for the, for the next couple of years.

[01:06:36] Ooh, I like that one. I'll find that clip for that one. Um, I like that. I will go out on the limb. This is really going out on the limb because, but it is what it is. I like what, uh, Matt rule is doing in Lincoln. Now I'm not going to sit there and say national championship. No, not even close. However, could he make some noise to try to sneak into the playoff? I could potentially see that.

[01:07:07] Maybe depends. I mean, again, I don't know what the schedule looks like either. And yeah, I don't know what Nebraska is. And I got, let's see here real quick. I know they got the, uh, Pat Mahomes wannabe. I do know that. Pat no. No. Let's see here. Now, if they have a really, really hard schedule. Yeah. I don't know.

[01:07:35] I haven't, I barely even know what my, what ours is. I couldn't tell you who we kick off. I know we have Michigan next year. Um, okay. Cincinnati. They lose quite a bit. Akron HCU. I don't know who that even is. Uh, Michigan, Michigan state, Maryland, Minnesota, both on the road. Northwestern, USC at home. Easy. UCLA on the road. USC might not be easy. Penn state.

[01:08:03] Uh, so the road games are Maryland, Minnesota, UCLA, Penn state. Penn state will give them trouble. Michigan will give them trouble. USC will probably give them trouble. And then the home games, Akron HCU. I don't know who that is. Michigan, Michigan state, Northwestern, USC and Iowa and Iowa. They can't be Iowa with their life. You never know.

[01:08:33] They play Iowa. Iowa instantly has the best tradition in all of hands down. And anybody that argues with that, I don't need you in my life. Like. Like, it's the truth though. Yeah. Yeah. It's like the most heartwarming thing. I'm like, why do strangers make me want to cry? It's heartwarming. Yeah. Nebraska doesn't have a bad, they don't have a bad schedule kind of backs. I mean, it gives them a chance.

[01:09:01] I mean, I'm not going to, you know, Michigan. They, it could have been depends on how that one, but Michigan. I mean, they got a good, you know, Michigan state, Maryland, Minnesota, Northwestern. They have a very favorable schedule. Yeah. What a fall from grace for Michigan state. Yikes on bikes. No kidding. Yeah. Sheesh McGee. Let's see. Ohio state real quick.

[01:09:31] Just kind of curious. Oh, we've not got the easiest schedule. No. It's definitely not going to be easy. You guys start off with Texas. Yeah. Grambling state. That should be a real barn burner. That's going to be the Grambling state band. Yeah. Ohio. And then at Washington, which Washington is meh. I mean, they always play a little bit tough and what East coast teams don't travel to

[01:10:00] West coast for a while home against Minnesota at Illinois would seem to be trying to find their identity again. I'll never forget. I think it was like 2007 juice. Williams burned us. We lost. We got upset. That one. Yeah, no, I haven't. At Wisconsin. And then you get Penn stay at home at Purdue, which I don't know about this point. They can play football. Purdue is trash.

[01:10:30] Purdue is trash. Fallen. UCLA at home. Rutgers at home. And then obviously at Michigan. So. So, yeah, we have some tough games in there. We do have some tough games in there. I like that. I like that. I like it when we do schedule those tough. I mean, with Texas, those tough non-conference schedules. I mean, you have a you've got Ohio, but you also have, you know, we also try to schedule some of the harder ones.

[01:10:55] And just for Herbert Rodge, you guys actually go to you guys play Alabama in 2027 and then Alabama in 2028. We'll have to do a podcast road trip. Podcast tailgate. 2020. In 2020. What did I say? 27? 28? 2027. We act like that's that far away. That's two years. It's two years now. I know. That's insane. Yeah. It's not that far. It might be a whole different platform on how we do podcasts then, but hey. Yeah. You never know.

[01:11:25] I might be done. I might be done doing it. We'll all be canceled. We're done. Elon Musk, president, everybody else. We're all getting canceled. Right. Right. Exactly. Well, I enjoyed it, Heather. It was a fun one. Where can all the listeners find you at and follow you on all your socials? Thank you so, so very much for having me. This was a lot of fun. You can see my little tag here.

[01:11:55] I'm on X at Love Buckeyes. You can check my podcast. It's College Football with Heather. I will be on Wednesday at 7 o'clock with one of my favorite guests, Mike, at The Chill Mike. You can follow him because he does an awesome podcast too. I'm going to be on lots of podcasts this week. I'm doing Herb and Raj tomorrow. I'm doing At Going Nuclear, CLE, on Thursday.

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[01:12:51] So I'm getting more bougie by the minute. Well, I enjoyed it, Heather. It was a fun one. And, of course, Happy New Year. And hopefully your Buckeyes will make it a good one for you to start off the year. I hope so. Because, man, my heart can't take it. I thought I was going to die on Friday. So thank you. Thank you so much for having me. This was a lot of fun. I very much appreciate it. Absolutely.

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