Walking Tall Movies Chat (with Gil & Tom!)

[00:00:06] It's a Jacked Up Review Show, It's a Jacked Up Review Show

[00:00:45] Picture of them.

[00:00:47] Yeah sorry, I'm just going ahead before we get...

[00:00:49] So we were just talking off there, as farly as Buford Pusser.

[00:00:54] The lead in these Walking Tall movies, that would be amazing.

[00:00:59] I was looking at Buford Pusser, the actual Buford Pusser.

[00:01:02] Same, I got some notes here. He used to be a wrestler, Buford the Bull.

[00:01:08] That was amazing.

[00:01:11] And well I'm looking at it thinking that Bo Spencer actually looks more like him than

[00:01:16] Joe Don Baker did.

[00:01:18] He looks to me like

[00:01:26] Joseph McCarthy mixed in with a bit of that Joe Don shaved head look that he has in that James

[00:01:32] Bond film where he's the villain, living in daylights. But I can see Sevincin kind of

[00:01:38] has a bigger nose and eyebrows kind of like him. It's hard. It's hard to look like the real life

[00:01:45] guy.

[00:01:47] Yeah, the thing that really amazed me is how many movies they got out of a figure that

[00:01:52] really was only active for a relatively short amount of time.

[00:01:56] Absolutely, this is why I kind of figured it would be a fun gabbing section. We could be

[00:02:00] a little snarky about it. We could also be goofy about it. And there's no wrong answer.

[00:02:06] Unlike any other franchise where it's like, oh, you like that installment? What the fuck?

[00:02:09] They're like, well this is all very, very goofy. And like anything Hollywood, they went to town

[00:02:17] like you say with a short-lived incident. It's literally less of an incident than the

[00:02:22] first Death Wish. It's a one and a done kind of deal. And of course, like typical Hollywood,

[00:02:27] this guy was an American hero. He went and did the full nine yards. It was like, no he

[00:02:33] didn't. Well, I'm looking at the second one that had both Spencer in it as Buford Puster. And

[00:02:41] at the end of the movie they talk about his accident in the car. Yeah, I remember that taking

[00:02:49] up a good chunk of the movie. I was like, well, I think, I don't know. I mean, they only

[00:02:54] mentioned it at the end of two, but then I'm looking at them describe the third one and I

[00:02:58] haven't watched it yet. The two and three blend pretty much for me, but it is one of those where

[00:03:04] I was like, I wasn't sure when you look up the guy is like, yeah, that is part of his real life.

[00:03:11] But when you see in the movie, you're like, are they just filling time? Are they just trying

[00:03:14] to come up with something, but they cut something out before the next bite scene?

[00:03:21] Walking Tall 3, return living Puster. You know, this definitely needed some zombies. That

[00:03:28] would have been appreciated. Roger Corman was not available or RoboCop. Well, I could

[00:03:33] be for Puster. Oh, there you go. Robo Puss. I can see Buford Puster shooting the guy at

[00:03:39] the end of the film of Walk of Not a Living Dead. Oh, there you go. Our hero, the hero

[00:03:48] and much like the Mitchell riff, you could joke the hero of the movie everyone.

[00:03:53] So we got Tom, not Bombadil Lindemann in the house. Welcome. Hey, hey, ho ho. Hey,

[00:04:01] how you doing? Ho ho. And Gil, movie geek Palmer as always. Hey, how you been?

[00:04:08] How you been? Super duper joy. Um, tubular, bubbler joy. Yes. I'm your host, Sully and

[00:04:18] I'm going to solidify this. We are watching a goofy, goofy franchise. We got freaking

[00:04:23] Walking Tall and we got a pattern here. The first one started an action star kind of up

[00:04:29] and coming of his day and age kind of made a name for his genre. It's kind of viewed

[00:04:33] as one of his top movies. The first one was a Joe Dunn Baker vehicle.

[00:04:38] Then it was followed by, you know, two semi-related sequels starring a completely

[00:04:42] different star for those installments, you know, both of which were in the same

[00:04:46] movie. You might have seen them in other stuff like Bad Guy and Dolph Lundgren's

[00:04:51] The Killing Machine. But then you have a remake. It's his own vehicle. It's his own

[00:04:56] thing. It's often viewed as one of the better movies of the rock before he gets

[00:05:00] an ego and does his own shit. And then followed by all these related and name only

[00:05:06] sequels. Again, unrelated, started another B-movie genre star as in Kevin Sorbo,

[00:05:12] same as you will about his politics. This was before the craziness became unbearable,

[00:05:16] but same kind of deal. They all kind of follow that kind of death wish kind of routine. One

[00:05:21] man has had it. I'm going to take out the trash.

[00:05:25] Yeah, I know.

[00:05:26] When did the first Walking Tall come out?

[00:05:34] Actually, wait, that is a good point. I think it was 73.

[00:05:38] Yeah, 73. The second one.

[00:05:41] My bad. So this is a pre-death wish movie.

[00:05:44] Okay.

[00:05:45] Yeah, but even so in that particular point in time, we had movies in a similar genre

[00:05:53] like you had Stripper Co. You had Billy Jack movies. You had some illustrious

[00:06:00] E-Writer, which was people standing up against authority.

[00:06:04] Yep.

[00:06:05] And by the way, I think it was in the 70s.

[00:06:09] Yep. Biker movies, everyone should watch them even if they're not into them just because

[00:06:14] they give you an almost a docudrama.

[00:06:20] Yeah, if only you can see Joe Don Baker pre-Mitchell.

[00:06:24] Yeah, pre-In the Heat of Night, pre-Mitchell, pre-Final Justice.

[00:06:34] And Buford Pusser. I don't have an issue with that name. I know some other people

[00:06:39] might say, hey, sounds like pussy. This is like, no, that's the real, that's the dude's name.

[00:06:48] Probably explains why he had to grow up tough.

[00:06:53] Don't call me Shirley. Yeah.

[00:06:56] A boy named Shoo.

[00:06:58] There you go. Shoo. I mean, I got a supervisor who is a tough guy and his name is Shannon.

[00:07:03] So yeah, I mean, it is one of those things where it's like you can technically call

[00:07:07] a guy that but there's still going to be some douchebag teasing him in the corner and you

[00:07:12] eventually see him lose his shit. Oh man. So Joe Don Baker would do that escape from prison

[00:07:25] and clear his name, fugitive film, Framed a few years later. Was this one of the first

[00:07:32] Baker films you guys saw growing up? I believe I saw it before the one you're talking about.

[00:07:40] I'll get to the other ones later because they're all their own interesting vehicles and it is

[00:07:44] interesting how they're kind of, I mean, this is why we do this. Just these cult movies that

[00:07:49] kind of. Yeah. And the thing about it was that they actually played it on network television.

[00:07:55] Yeah. And they weren't too hard to edit. I think it was just people getting naked while getting

[00:08:01] dressed or out of the shower, maybe one choice word like son of a bitch. But well, there's a

[00:08:05] scene that first one where the girl's wearing a see-through outfit. So there you go. So they

[00:08:10] probably had to modify that but or cut a few frames, but nothing to the like even the

[00:08:15] violence. It's not to the point where you're like, Oh, you know, you got to skip a scene.

[00:08:22] It's not like rock or hostile kind of. No, not Tantino where you kind of seen out

[00:08:28] nothing makes sense anymore. Well, it was paint red blood. Because the A&E did that with Sopranos

[00:08:33] one time and you're like, Good God, why even fucking bother? Longest two seconds of my life.

[00:08:41] Yeah, that was a very memorable two seconds. I don't know what just occurred. Sorry.

[00:08:47] You know, I just said the red the blood in that was paint red. So it wasn't like actual blood color.

[00:08:56] Yeah. And it's just a few bruises or something. It's more of a rating like just of the time like

[00:09:01] if it's a serious topic rather than the actual content contained, you know,

[00:09:06] this is my problem with the rating system is like I have no problem with people saying,

[00:09:10] Hey, just wait a while on a title. It just gets annoying when they want to make exceptions

[00:09:14] to certain things. It's like, Oh my Lord, you're getting all freaked about about the

[00:09:18] number of bullets and how many times you see it versus the actual intent. Come on.

[00:09:24] I mean, and you know, we've seen it all done, especially, you know,

[00:09:27] I've talked to death about Scarface. I'm sure you guys have all heard the story about how

[00:09:31] Brian De Palma snuck in the original cut, which got him an X rating. But on the third time,

[00:09:37] he just to make a point, he showed that the MPAA couldn't tell the difference anymore.

[00:09:42] They're just freaking out about the amount of cocaine on the table.

[00:09:46] It was like, yeah, so you're not even your your cover story is you're worried about the violence

[00:09:51] and how the antagonist is a gangster, but you're really just freaked out about the drugs.

[00:09:58] So this is political now and this movie is not even political. So what the hell?

[00:10:03] So basically, the ratings board took a cue from the Comics Code Authority.

[00:10:08] It really was all the violence and death you want, but don't you dare show drugs.

[00:10:13] Yeah, it's totally so a historical ethics board. And after a while, it's just like,

[00:10:20] just be honest about your intent. I mean, it's not why you rated it this way.

[00:10:27] At some point, it comes more about that's how they keep their job.

[00:10:31] I think it is kind of like a district attorney thing. I got to at least prosecute

[00:10:35] one thing just to make a stand. But I mean, it's been a minute since I've even heard the FCC

[00:10:41] make a stink about something. I think they got to the point where they're like,

[00:10:44] no one really cares anymore. So I guess we won't care.

[00:10:49] Well, these days with all the streaming services and stuff, they just kind of

[00:10:53] skirt around it. Yeah. And I mean, the TV shows,

[00:10:56] I mean, the networks of all kind of got to that point. It's like, okay,

[00:11:00] risque sitcom, that's okay. You know, gritty crime show, just make sure it's by 10.

[00:11:08] Doesn't matter if your kids watching it, you know, at least we can justify

[00:11:11] where showing all these gory crime scenes. It's dumb. It really does get to that point

[00:11:19] where it's like, if you're over 16, you should be okay to watch this. I mean,

[00:11:24] there's plenty of R rated movies where literally there wasn't anything disturbing about it. They

[00:11:29] just said the F word five times in one scene. You're like, for real? This wouldn't harm even

[00:11:36] a seven year old. Because they're already doing it in class.

[00:11:40] Yeah, you know, already saying nook and fuzz. Yeah. So these are very easy to modify movies,

[00:11:46] even the sorbo ones, like, I think it's just because they got very intense kind of

[00:11:51] man on fire type visuals. This is like, the most event spin one same kind of deal. I think there

[00:11:57] was like some guy who got out of bed, but as naked and said maybe one choice word,

[00:12:02] it wasn't they weren't gruesome. The first, the second movie with

[00:12:06] Buford Pusser that there's like, it's a PG rating. Yeah, but there's one scene in there.

[00:12:12] Well, aside from the violence, there's if you're talking nudity, there's only one brief

[00:12:16] scene of a girl taking off her top. And I see your name.

[00:12:21] So, wow. And yet the other one, the first one got an R

[00:12:30] for barely any violence. So I yeah, double standards, everybody. Yeah, so I think we,

[00:12:38] I've never heard anyone talk shit about the first one, you know, even by cult movie standards

[00:12:43] or people who aren't into older movies. I've never heard anyone just say, hey, it's not

[00:12:48] worthy of the acclaim or the pop culture significance. It seems like it's just a

[00:12:53] literally a rarity, like a agreeable movie. It's definitely a B movie.

[00:13:00] Yeah, no, no, no, get me wrong. It's a total antenna channel,

[00:13:04] Jim. But yeah, I mean, it's not to the point where you're like, this is too slow,

[00:13:08] even by whatever standards. It's not the you see a little bit of insight into why the guys are bad

[00:13:16] instead of them all just being hicks and rapists and, you know, guys are for bricks at glass.

[00:13:22] Well, Dexie mafia.

[00:13:25] Yeah, you get a little bit of inside enough dialogue to kind of it. This is more like

[00:13:30] in the heat of the night in a way, which, you know, Joe Don Baker was in the TV show

[00:13:34] version of it. It's kind of that do the right thing. And instead of kind of leaning into the

[00:13:41] it's weird, it's like it's kind of marketed for the dirty Harry crowd, but it's not

[00:13:46] as over the top with it like a man's got to make a stand or go over the edge just this

[00:13:50] once. You know, it's kind of more just like I've had it. I grew up here. I mean,

[00:13:54] this would really be no different if he was in a ghetto, if he was in a

[00:13:58] middle class neighborhood, a rich neighborhood. He's like, no, something wrong has been done.

[00:14:04] I've talked to the authorities. They're taking their sweet time. I'm going to run for office

[00:14:08] and I'm going to I'm going to run on the fact that I can defend my whole town just standing

[00:14:14] here with anything.

[00:14:19] Move the two by four.

[00:14:20] And a two by four. That's the other thing too. I think that's why this is so relatable.

[00:14:24] This is a guy, you know, he's a Gadget Man like MacGyver. He's using all kinds of death traps and

[00:14:31] hunting gear. You know, I think he in either one or two, he does use a gun briefly, but it's

[00:14:37] you know, it's more he disarmed the guy and he just hit him over the head with it versus

[00:14:40] you know, the guy died by internal bleeding versus I shot you.

[00:14:44] And the first one with the Joe Don Baker, I think he wasn't carrying a gun for a while

[00:14:49] because his wife didn't want him to.

[00:14:51] Yeah, he wanted to make sure he was long away from the homestead. You know, he and I do like

[00:14:57] that fact. I do like the whole hey, don't violence will follow you if you bring, you know, this

[00:15:02] here and he's kind of like, okay, I'll take the violence away from the town. I'll lead the

[00:15:07] bullies out of here and I will dispatch them one by one.

[00:15:12] But I got it. I probably see something that's controversial. I think I prefer both Swenson.

[00:15:19] As fine, dude, we all have hot takes on this show. I mean, the reason we do these chats,

[00:15:25] we want to validate people. I mean, when Tom when you were doing it was really fun

[00:15:29] last week when we were doing some James Bond discussion because it's like, yeah, I mean,

[00:15:33] it is impossible to agree on any James Bond film. So we might as well just talk about

[00:15:37] the stuff that we mainly remember it for, which are the music scores and yeah.

[00:15:44] Yeah, I mean, so the effort is an interesting thing.

[00:15:50] And I mean, I don't did the wife die in one of these was it?

[00:15:55] She died in the first one.

[00:15:56] Okay. Yeah. So I always the reason they all blur together after a while, guys, is you really

[00:16:03] these movies really do go so fast. You kind of just remember all the ass kicking

[00:16:08] and it is wild how they they don't necessarily start with that, but they do

[00:16:13] just bring it up to you up front. And I do think they have pretty good handle on just

[00:16:20] realistic reaction, but not to the point where it's just very overdone, like melodrama.

[00:16:29] And I was like, why do you not remember this or that is because these movies

[00:16:34] do become a blur after a while because they're kind of a regurgitation of the same idea.

[00:16:38] You know, guy comes into town wronged.

[00:16:40] I haven't seen like the third one yet, but you know, it is a kind of a short story,

[00:16:45] but they did stretch it out into three movies.

[00:16:47] Yeah, it kind of. Yeah, they did.

[00:16:49] The first one, like you said, kind of felt like just a simple B movie and

[00:16:53] cartoon free definitely looked like they had more of a TV budget kind of.

[00:16:57] Yep. Well, and it's funny because Walking Tall actually became a TV show for.

[00:17:02] I remember that with both fence and it was only that seven episodes, though.

[00:17:07] I'm glad he got a chance to do some ass kicking for seven episodes, much like Chef.

[00:17:16] Yeah, and you go back to your to a point you just raised, Cam,

[00:17:21] it is a familiar story. It's one that's repeated any number of times.

[00:17:27] Yes. And to great success.

[00:17:29] You look at you got elements of the Lone Ranger in there.

[00:17:33] And you got elements like the Japanese films, the old Kung Fu movies.

[00:17:40] Yo-Himbo.

[00:17:40] You killed my teacher. Now I gotta do this.

[00:17:46] It's a very simple concept, but it encompasses so many genres.

[00:17:51] You could, I suppose if somebody wanted to do it, they could maybe make it into a rom-com

[00:17:58] and still throw in the ass kick.

[00:18:00] Or Buford Pusser in Space.

[00:18:05] Now, that would be wild. Jason X versus Buford.

[00:18:10] I did. Did you guys ever see?

[00:18:15] Did you ever see a real American hero, which was kind of a more realistic?

[00:18:22] Was the sheriff as Buford in that one?

[00:18:25] Oh, and it's on TV now. If you want to see it, don't expect much ass kicking.

[00:18:31] He pretty much just punches a guy down and then picks him up.

[00:18:35] But it's worth the watch.

[00:18:38] Just if you like, just kind of that.

[00:18:40] I mean, if you want to even introduce today's world is like, see,

[00:18:43] this was how the seven o'clock original TV movie was done back in the day.

[00:18:48] Where it's kind of more just slow pace and then slow buildup.

[00:18:53] It was kind of more of just a mild, dramatic thriller.

[00:18:58] But I do like this kind of this concept like you guys are going on, on how just

[00:19:04] it could be just cliche in the wrong hands, but at least they just kind of stick to

[00:19:10] hey, right is right, wrong is wrong.

[00:19:13] And you can't even call this guy an anti-hero.

[00:19:16] He's technically becoming a vigilante before he becomes runs for sheriff.

[00:19:21] But for good reason, like he has been driven to his means.

[00:19:24] He's being threatened at every corner by these guys.

[00:19:27] He's not to the point where he wants to even make a statement.

[00:19:30] He just wants to stand his ground, stand on his own turf.

[00:19:34] Hadfield's employee.

[00:19:38] Instead of, you know, I got to kill anybody who even looks at me the wrong way.

[00:19:43] And a more contemporary example of that,

[00:19:46] you can kind of make the case of John Wick is in a similar vein.

[00:19:52] He got out, but then his wife dies.

[00:19:56] So he really he's tenuous whether he wants to live and then they kill his dog.

[00:20:02] They destroy his awesome car.

[00:20:05] And that's what causes him to seek vengeance.

[00:20:10] He's not squeaky clean, rarely speaking, his beef repulsor,

[00:20:15] but it's still sort of the same archetype.

[00:20:18] Totally.

[00:20:18] It's like whatever my backstory that is irrelevant right now.

[00:20:24] Pushed to my means, I'm doing something anybody can relate to.

[00:20:27] The relatable one man army, if you will.

[00:20:31] Well, I'm trying to I was going to try to say there's a difference,

[00:20:34] but now I think about it, Tom, you're pretty much right.

[00:20:37] I mean, because, you know, he's getting his vengeance or he's pursuing the law.

[00:20:43] He's getting the shit kicked out of him.

[00:20:45] And then I'm starting to realize, well, John Wick got the shit kicked out of him too.

[00:20:49] Right. But but it he does.

[00:20:52] And I do prefer the witch comparison.

[00:20:54] It's not like just I don't know.

[00:20:58] It's not like Paul Kershian death wish or Liam Neeson in the Taken films,

[00:21:03] where it's like everybody happens to be a trafficker

[00:21:05] and they're just bad because they're bad.

[00:21:08] And everyone gets all political about it because it's either fun mindless action

[00:21:13] or it's a fear monger depending on how you look at it.

[00:21:15] And like this one just kind of gets.

[00:21:18] This is even more like the substitute in a way.

[00:21:21] Yeah, like, hey, I'm here.

[00:21:24] I was looking for violence, but I just so happen to have a special set of skills

[00:21:29] and I'm going to, you know, get your ass to Mars.

[00:21:33] I'm going to kick it to Mars.

[00:21:34] I'm going to get you out of here.

[00:21:38] Because no one else will deal with you right now.

[00:21:40] And I've had it.

[00:21:45] Yeah, no, I do think both of incident is an underrated actor.

[00:21:49] I think he does fine here.

[00:21:50] It's not like the first role that I think of, but I'm glad.

[00:21:53] I'm glad I do miss these kind of days.

[00:21:55] I mean, it seemed like the 90s kind of stopped

[00:21:58] where they started giving anybody a chance.

[00:22:00] Like you could be a talk show host.

[00:22:02] You could be a rapper.

[00:22:03] You could be a basketball player.

[00:22:05] You had your own franchise or a moment in the sun

[00:22:08] in a box office winning movie.

[00:22:12] And I kind of missed that.

[00:22:13] Except for Kerikop.

[00:22:15] Oh, God.

[00:22:16] Yeah.

[00:22:19] Anyone who wants something funny to look up that time.

[00:22:22] Courtney Thornton Smith is promoting the movie

[00:22:24] and Norm MacDonald is on there.

[00:22:25] He basically just flat out tells her, hey, your movie sucks.

[00:22:28] And she's like, I'm trying to promote the movie.

[00:22:30] He's like, oh, no, don't even.

[00:22:31] Yeah, yeah, it's like chairman of the board B O R E D.

[00:22:38] Oh, Norm, we miss you.

[00:22:40] Norm MacDonald should have been an action star.

[00:22:41] The closest you get is dirty work.

[00:22:43] Yeah.

[00:22:45] Do you know why?

[00:22:46] I can't believe there are so many dead hookers.

[00:22:51] I haven't seen so many dead hookers in my life.

[00:22:56] Does anybody know why Joe Don Baker didn't pursue

[00:22:59] any further walking tall movies?

[00:23:01] I have no idea.

[00:23:03] I think he himself kind of like Bo.

[00:23:07] He was kind of always doing a bunch of drive-in movies.

[00:23:10] I think he had another detective show around that same time,

[00:23:13] so I wouldn't have been surprised.

[00:23:15] But what year was Mitchell?

[00:23:18] 75.

[00:23:19] So I do think that framed Mitchell.

[00:23:22] And I think he had another procedural around 73.

[00:23:26] But like you're saying, I mean, it is interesting how

[00:23:32] these action stars kind of get a chance to kind of stretch out

[00:23:36] their various roles in different places.

[00:23:39] And I do prefer that kind of to just, hey, your name means

[00:23:43] a lot in this one country.

[00:23:45] So we're just going to give it to you, not necessarily

[00:23:47] because you're right for the role.

[00:23:51] So what do you think of the semi-related Chris Vance

[00:23:56] played by Dwayne The Rock Johnson?

[00:24:00] So he didn't even have the same name in the walking?

[00:24:03] No.

[00:24:04] And it's so funny.

[00:24:05] He still has the 2x4 though.

[00:24:09] Basically, he has the stick.

[00:24:11] He has the car and same kind of villains.

[00:24:14] Neil McDonald from Banda Brothers

[00:24:18] plays the scummy casino owner who's basically taken over the town.

[00:24:24] Long story short, this is literally on like TNT

[00:24:27] and USA Network every weekend.

[00:24:31] And it's one of those it kind of takes itself seriously,

[00:24:35] but it's also kind of you can take it as either popcorn

[00:24:38] or as a decent serious movie.

[00:24:41] It delivers the ass kicking, but it's also kind of cheesy

[00:24:44] at times on intentionally in some areas.

[00:24:46] At least there's no annoying rap music.

[00:24:50] And the thing is that they also took elements

[00:24:53] from the original Washington and the store behind Buford Pusser.

[00:25:00] So it's not quite a docudromy.

[00:25:03] It's not quite based on actual events.

[00:25:05] It's kind of, okay, here's the movie we want to make,

[00:25:08] but here are the things we're throwing in there just to make it

[00:25:12] semi-connect to the original.

[00:25:15] Just enough to where you can't call us complete liars,

[00:25:18] but we kind of did stitch up a bunch of stuff.

[00:25:20] And then to add to that, the style is so much like Roadhouse and Commando.

[00:25:25] So then it stands on its own two feet,

[00:25:29] but at the same time you're like they should have just called it

[00:25:31] Walking Around or something.

[00:25:33] It didn't have to be.

[00:25:34] Well, they wanted to catch in on the name,

[00:25:36] but they gave them a different character name because they...

[00:25:39] Yeah.

[00:25:41] So have you ever seen The Rock in interviews for this?

[00:25:45] Nope.

[00:25:46] So long story short, he looks furious while forcing a smile

[00:25:50] before he becomes The Rock with the former wrestler turned movie guy

[00:25:56] that everyone loves now and because I'm actually kind of a nice guy,

[00:26:00] but he and the director, Kevin Bray, did not get along.

[00:26:04] And I've never listened to the commentary,

[00:26:06] but apparently I used to go to just numerous DVD review sites

[00:26:10] and read all about special features and hysterical making-ups

[00:26:13] and the director kind of led on just several times.

[00:26:17] He's like, yeah, this is a scene where he and I did not see eye to eye

[00:26:21] and he roasted me for a minute and I just said,

[00:26:23] fine, fuck it, whatever, let's go on to the next scene.

[00:26:26] So he had the wrestling career, right?

[00:26:32] So he just went down and Scorpion King, he was about to let it...

[00:26:36] WWE co-produced it and it was like the last one they did together

[00:26:40] and basically his ego was slowly growing before he had a few other flops

[00:26:45] and then decided by 2010, I need to fire my agent

[00:26:49] and hire my ex-wife as my agent and then do nice activism things

[00:26:54] in between crappy Fast and Furious and superhero stuff.

[00:26:56] But I do think it is a better vehicle for him.

[00:26:59] He definitely seems, you buy him as an ex-Marine turned guy running for sheriff,

[00:27:05] especially in those scenes where he's thrown wrongfully in the prison.

[00:27:09] But at the same time, it does kind of have some of that cheesy

[00:27:13] dramatic music that was in every other post 90s movie.

[00:27:18] So yeah.

[00:27:20] Yeah, I couldn't remember what...

[00:27:24] Because I knew he had a career, I knew he had done movies,

[00:27:26] I didn't know if Walking Tall was among the first of his movies or not.

[00:27:31] Definitely among the first.

[00:27:33] The Rundown was probably the most agreeable.

[00:27:36] This I think is decent.

[00:27:37] I don't think it says...

[00:27:38] I think Faster is his best role just because

[00:27:43] kind of like John Wick in Man on Fire,

[00:27:44] it's just good at showing an ensemble of characters,

[00:27:47] all semi loosely connected by one violent incident.

[00:27:52] And he was also in like...

[00:27:53] I want to say he was also like...

[00:27:55] I can't remember if it was Get Shorty or a different movie.

[00:27:58] Yeah, he was the gay bodyguard and he's like,

[00:28:02] you're not going to take my man.

[00:28:03] And to be honest, in the brief role he had,

[00:28:06] he did a fantastic job in that.

[00:28:08] He was hysterical.

[00:28:09] That's kind of where I wanted to give him more of a chance.

[00:28:12] See, this guy, whoever the hell he is,

[00:28:15] he's got some good charisma and I don't know what it is.

[00:28:20] But it wasn't like with any other persona where they're an ex-singer,

[00:28:26] ex-model, ex-rapper and they're trying to be an actor now.

[00:28:32] And he kind of got into it.

[00:28:34] It's just he didn't...

[00:28:35] It's weird.

[00:28:36] It's like he was in...

[00:28:39] Anyone else at that time who was bursting in the movies

[00:28:42] had a hit TV show or stand-up comedy career

[00:28:45] and he was just kind of in between.

[00:28:47] He was funny, but he was known for an infamous sport, wrestling.

[00:28:56] What did you guys think of him as Black Adam?

[00:29:01] His heart was really in it.

[00:29:02] It's just the movie was very incoherent.

[00:29:07] Well, I kind of wondered.

[00:29:07] I'd heard things that he might have been behind why it was the way it was.

[00:29:11] It was a bit of everything.

[00:29:12] The producers kept changing stuff and he was like,

[00:29:15] it should be this way and that way.

[00:29:16] And so when you finally see the movie,

[00:29:19] things aren't making sense for a while.

[00:29:21] And then you get to the end and it finally makes sense.

[00:29:23] But it's a very, very paint by numbers kind of story.

[00:29:27] I think what carried it for me,

[00:29:30] and that's being very courteous, was Pierce Brosnan as the villain.

[00:29:34] He's the equivalent of Dr. Strange.

[00:29:37] He wasn't the villain.

[00:29:38] He was Dr. Fate.

[00:29:39] Well, but he's the opposing force, even though he's not.

[00:29:44] He's on the same side.

[00:29:47] Well, see, this is why it's so incoherent.

[00:29:50] I know in the comics he's a nice guy,

[00:29:51] but in the movies it seems like he's so angry the whole time.

[00:29:54] And it's so funny near the end,

[00:29:56] he looks like he has just gotten...

[00:30:02] Have you ever watched certain movies and looked like

[00:30:04] actors are giving kind of a stink eye to their co-star or something?

[00:30:07] They just got done bickering in between takes.

[00:30:09] He kind of looked like he had asked the director,

[00:30:12] what's my motivation?

[00:30:13] The director's like, figure it out.

[00:30:14] And he's like, okay, fine, fuck it.

[00:30:16] I'll be more intense.

[00:30:19] I'll give it to you, but you're not helping me.

[00:30:23] I think he's kind of like Dr. Strange in a way.

[00:30:25] And no, no, yeah, he was the answer to Dr. Strange.

[00:30:28] I get that.

[00:30:29] It's just...

[00:30:29] Well, no, no.

[00:30:30] I mean, Dr. Strange was like, everybody's like,

[00:30:33] what are our chances?

[00:30:36] And he put up a figure, like one chance.

[00:30:40] He's a super genius and he's got all these mystical powers

[00:30:42] and everything, but it was just so annoying because you're like,

[00:30:45] I know I've seen snippets of the comic,

[00:30:47] I've seen crossovers, I've read up on stuff.

[00:30:50] And none of that is present on screen.

[00:30:54] So where the hell did the story go?

[00:30:57] Well, to me, Black Adam was flawed,

[00:31:00] but I still enjoyed it because I could tell that

[00:31:07] Wayne Johnson was investing the role of Black Adam.

[00:31:10] You heard it, you saw it.

[00:31:12] He was investing role and he put a lot into it.

[00:31:15] Yeah, yeah, the acting was fine.

[00:31:17] But the acting was fine.

[00:31:18] The story kind of went wonky,

[00:31:22] but I still enjoyed it.

[00:31:26] I'm still going back and forth on whether I want to own it

[00:31:28] as a physical copy because I am,

[00:31:33] but you almost have to go into it with an understanding of

[00:31:36] who Dr. Fade is, who Black Adam is,

[00:31:39] who are these other characters,

[00:31:42] Terciary character Hawkman,

[00:31:43] you kind of have to know what he's about.

[00:31:45] You have to kind of understand what the tornado is.

[00:31:50] I felt like they deleted so many scenes.

[00:31:53] Yeah, you don't get the motivation.

[00:31:56] They're there as set pieces.

[00:31:59] But yeah, they're actually an interesting team in the comics.

[00:32:06] You know, they're the precursor to the Justice League.

[00:32:10] Yeah, right.

[00:32:11] And the answer.

[00:32:12] Yep.

[00:32:13] And on a related note,

[00:32:15] I'm finally watching Stargirl on Tubi

[00:32:17] and I'm catching a lot of references to the JSA

[00:32:20] and saying these are heroes that I knew about growing up

[00:32:24] and they're not the larger than life heroes we see today

[00:32:29] like Batman with prep time can basically take out

[00:32:31] God, Muhammad and Galactus.

[00:32:36] Whereas you have people like Dr. Midnight.

[00:32:39] Even Dr. Fade knows he has limitations,

[00:32:42] but that's sort of the appeal.

[00:32:46] These are people you can actually relate with

[00:32:48] and you could say well is that person possibly

[00:32:51] a superhero or no?

[00:32:53] Whereas with Wonder Woman Superman,

[00:32:55] you know they're superheroes.

[00:32:56] And the only way to get around it

[00:32:58] is because everybody else around them is stupid.

[00:33:00] No, totally.

[00:33:02] I do think it is a fun show.

[00:33:04] I know Joe McHale kept joking in recent interviews.

[00:33:06] He's like see, I'm finally part of some cinematic universe.

[00:33:09] He's part of the DC TV verse.

[00:33:11] I do think it is interesting though how unlike

[00:33:14] some of the other shot in Canada ones on the CW,

[00:33:16] that one was kind of more focused on

[00:33:18] let's show the small town.

[00:33:20] Let's kind of do our own take on growing up in high school

[00:33:23] and then let's do a fun.

[00:33:27] There is some good art direction I think

[00:33:29] and it is very suspenseful,

[00:33:30] but I do like how some of the villains

[00:33:33] that come out of the woodwork

[00:33:35] had their own unusual.

[00:33:39] What's the one?

[00:33:42] Black Lightning kind of want to do their own thing

[00:33:45] instead of just do endless crossovers

[00:33:47] and just giant fights in the streets

[00:33:50] that no one seems to see.

[00:33:53] Yeah, and not only even go out and let them say

[00:33:55] Black Lightning was one of my favorite CW shows.

[00:33:58] Yeah.

[00:33:59] That and The Flash.

[00:34:01] Between the two of those,

[00:34:02] and of course Legends of Tomorrow.

[00:34:04] Legends of Tomorrow was just the universe all by itself.

[00:34:07] Literally, figuratively.

[00:34:08] Just by how weird and wonderful it is,

[00:34:11] but for something that we remotely see happening,

[00:34:15] Black Lightning and Flash, boom,

[00:34:17] you have a one-two punch right there.

[00:34:22] It definitely was their Luke Cage equivalent

[00:34:24] where it's like, hey, let's do,

[00:34:26] let's experiment with different genre styles

[00:34:28] and then let's do a kind of a cool,

[00:34:31] just how does this guy fit into his so-called society

[00:34:35] in between all the ass kicking?

[00:34:37] Yeah, and in the comics,

[00:34:40] it's been once I've seen the series,

[00:34:41] but in the comics,

[00:34:43] Black Lightning was literally a teacher.

[00:34:45] He was the exact opposite of a Luke Cage.

[00:34:52] But when stuff got heavy, he went into action

[00:34:56] and I remember seeing him in early,

[00:34:59] one of his earlier appearances,

[00:35:01] his mask had an afro.

[00:35:06] Yeah, I remember asking.

[00:35:08] His mask had an afro.

[00:35:11] What the hell's going on here?

[00:35:14] I did it.

[00:35:16] If I had the ability to have a mask with an afro on it,

[00:35:20] I'd do it 99% of the time.

[00:35:23] So you're sounding like my pal Tony who,

[00:35:25] he's not over critical on comic books,

[00:35:26] but he does like, does it say,

[00:35:28] why did they change that?

[00:35:29] And I'm like, I haven't the foggiest.

[00:35:32] It was driving me crazy for a while

[00:35:34] when they kept calling the show Arrow.

[00:35:37] I'm like, well, he's Green Arrow.

[00:35:39] They never put it in the title.

[00:35:41] Yeah, why?

[00:35:43] It's like just a random adjective to add,

[00:35:46] but it is interesting how, yeah,

[00:35:49] I mean, you get a bit of that with,

[00:35:53] my pal Tony was doing it with Lucifer is like,

[00:35:55] okay, they literally just changed up this whole cast.

[00:35:59] They're not at all like the counterparts in the comic.

[00:36:02] It's fine.

[00:36:03] But if you know it,

[00:36:04] it does kind of make you scratch your head.

[00:36:05] You're like, why?

[00:36:08] It's a bit watered down.

[00:36:10] Yeah.

[00:36:10] Yeah, I do recommend it though,

[00:36:12] in like a Wishmaster kind of spawn kind of way,

[00:36:15] just seeing someone go around,

[00:36:17] fuck around with people.

[00:36:20] Well, I think Lucifer showed up in Sandman,

[00:36:22] but it was a lady.

[00:36:24] I believe so.

[00:36:26] He does appear in the Crisis on Infinite Earths

[00:36:30] live action crossover between the CW shows.

[00:36:32] And I thought that was kind of fun

[00:36:33] because he kind of got everyone out of their shell

[00:36:35] is like, oh, what are you worried about?

[00:36:36] And it's like, we'll see, that's it.

[00:36:38] He can't die.

[00:36:39] They can.

[00:36:43] And so it was just a fun kind of just put it all in perspective.

[00:36:46] It was like, yeah, they got everything to lose.

[00:36:48] He doesn't.

[00:36:51] So did anyone see Kevin Sorbo's Walking Tall movies?

[00:36:54] I did.

[00:36:56] So long story short, when I was in college,

[00:36:59] there was this site called Mega Upload.

[00:37:01] You might've heard of it.

[00:37:02] And everyone else was doing Napster

[00:37:04] and I was always just getting obscure movies

[00:37:07] that I might have seen growing up on TV

[00:37:10] when no one was looking.

[00:37:11] And it was just, I became fans of just all the B-movie,

[00:37:14] tough guy action stars and screen queens and everything.

[00:37:17] And so inevitably when you want to see an actor,

[00:37:22] I'd always heard it was a piece of shit

[00:37:23] back behind the scenes before his various political rants

[00:37:27] and I'm a born again Christian.

[00:37:30] I always thought he was a decent action star though

[00:37:32] on his two hit TV shows, Hercules and Andromeda.

[00:37:36] So then it just got to where I'm like, hey, you know,

[00:37:38] he's doing all these sci-fi channel movies

[00:37:40] and other things.

[00:37:41] You know, I'm okay.

[00:37:42] He's a decent B-movie action star.

[00:37:44] I think it's just one of those.

[00:37:45] It's hard to separate the actor from the person.

[00:37:49] Yeah.

[00:37:50] But he knows what he's supposed to technically.

[00:37:53] He doesn't.

[00:37:55] I feel like his soul was in it

[00:37:57] just because he's a total fear monger in real life.

[00:37:59] So this was basically method acting for him.

[00:38:02] Oh, get out, go.

[00:38:04] I got a shotgun.

[00:38:07] But they're kind of junky.

[00:38:09] I did, I do own a hystericals.

[00:38:12] Well, it's funny in parts, a stuntman book

[00:38:15] called the full burn.

[00:38:17] And it has various interviews with numerous people

[00:38:19] who've worked in the industry over time.

[00:38:21] And there was a funny chapter

[00:38:22] where they had a bunch of guys

[00:38:23] and they legally couldn't name them

[00:38:25] because they're kind of saying not so favorable reviews

[00:38:27] about some of their word.

[00:38:28] And they're like this one gal,

[00:38:30] she's just gotten done doing a explosion stunt

[00:38:33] in the 2004 Punisher, you know,

[00:38:35] and her credits include, you know,

[00:38:36] like puppet master free, you know,

[00:38:39] transfers free.

[00:38:39] And she's like, yep, never seen any of them.

[00:38:42] Not going to.

[00:38:43] They sound awful.

[00:38:44] And there was a guy he's doing like,

[00:38:47] he's done like everything from the dukes of hazard

[00:38:49] to just about anything involving a car stunt

[00:38:51] for the Stunts Unlimited company.

[00:38:53] He's like, yeah, I've never seen this movie either.

[00:38:58] Not going to.

[00:39:00] So I tried, I tried watching it

[00:39:03] the first time in Kevin Sorbo.

[00:39:05] Very hard to tell apart.

[00:39:08] Yeah, I couldn't get past like maybe

[00:39:11] the first 20 minutes of it.

[00:39:14] Was it like a TV movie thing or was it like a video?

[00:39:17] Sony was all these action movies starring Van Dam,

[00:39:20] Seagal and Wesley Snipes and Delph Lundgren.

[00:39:23] And eventually Sorbo got in that pattern.

[00:39:26] And I think the second one he did was kind of worse.

[00:39:31] They're fine as be junkie, be action films,

[00:39:33] but I wouldn't watch them again.

[00:39:35] But at the same time, like Tom said,

[00:39:38] even by those standards, it's kind of a hard pass

[00:39:40] just because if I hadn't seen it on a streaming side

[00:39:45] or, you know, on all these movie sites,

[00:39:49] it is what it is.

[00:39:50] It's not remarkable.

[00:39:53] More of a curiosity about it's remarkable,

[00:39:56] but in all the wrong ways.

[00:39:58] There you go.

[00:40:00] So a light so bad, it's good.

[00:40:02] If there was a Riftrax or Mads are back riff of it,

[00:40:06] I would watch it.

[00:40:07] Unlikely though, but you know.

[00:40:12] I kind of wish Marvel or I mean Riftrax

[00:40:14] would be able to get their hands on like

[00:40:16] these bad Marvel movies like the Nick Fury

[00:40:19] Agent of Shield with David Passel.

[00:40:21] I wish that I just wish.

[00:40:22] Captain America.

[00:40:23] Yeah.

[00:40:23] Yeah, I wish they could get their hands

[00:40:25] on that kind of stuff.

[00:40:26] Instead, Marvel's done the whole hey,

[00:40:29] we're cock blocking, but we don't just

[00:40:31] because we don't want anyone to acknowledge they exist.

[00:40:36] It's like, come on, everybody's going to laugh.

[00:40:38] You'll make money.

[00:40:39] We'll make money.

[00:40:40] Come on.

[00:40:43] You know how Master Pancake's able to do

[00:40:46] some of their movies that they do?

[00:40:47] I mean, they do it on Twitch and stuff.

[00:40:49] They did that Captain America TV movie.

[00:40:52] Oh, did they?

[00:40:53] Yeah, it was red brown.

[00:40:54] I've always wanted to go to some of those live events.

[00:40:56] Do they still tour?

[00:40:58] I know they've been to Austin.

[00:40:59] I don't know that they tour, but I hear about them

[00:41:01] always doing something in Texas.

[00:41:03] Yeah, yeah.

[00:41:04] And it's always when I really want to go

[00:41:06] and I always got something coming up.

[00:41:08] I know they did one at Casino Royale

[00:41:10] and Joel was there and he came back

[00:41:12] for one that was on Die Hard.

[00:41:14] And I'm like, see, and he just gave us this guy.

[00:41:17] He's like, we're honestly kind of like Riftrax

[00:41:19] does with the Lord of the Rings.

[00:41:20] This time we're kind of just talking during the movie

[00:41:23] providing some amusing trivia

[00:41:25] rather than just flat out roasting.

[00:41:27] Yeah, they don't really when I've heard them

[00:41:30] they tell jokes or they make fun of it,

[00:41:32] but it doesn't seem to me like that.

[00:41:33] It's like if you were joking with your buddy.

[00:41:35] Like, you know, I am the kind of guy,

[00:41:38] I try to never talk during the movie.

[00:41:40] I might say one brief thing

[00:41:41] if someone is clearly confused

[00:41:43] and it's nagging at them

[00:41:45] and they just won't shut up, you know?

[00:41:46] But for the most part, like,

[00:41:50] if I don't like something,

[00:41:51] I might give a slight groan,

[00:41:52] but it's not going to be, you know,

[00:41:55] it's not going to be very audible.

[00:41:57] You know, I don't want to ruin anyone else's enjoyment.

[00:41:59] I think the best time to participate

[00:42:01] is when someone does something bad ass

[00:42:02] and you yell just that bad ass.

[00:42:06] You know, like I went to the first Olympics.

[00:42:09] I've seen all the Olympus has fallen movies

[00:42:11] in the theaters, fortunately.

[00:42:13] And I guarantee you dudes,

[00:42:15] when I went there opening night,

[00:42:17] it was like I was at a fucking

[00:42:18] Charles Bronson Chuck Norris movie.

[00:42:20] Everyone was going, oh, no.

[00:42:22] Don't let it happen.

[00:42:23] I'm like, Jesus, guys,

[00:42:24] it's just a fun Air Force One type of movie.

[00:42:30] When I saw Undercover Brother in theaters.

[00:42:33] Oh, did you?

[00:42:34] I did.

[00:42:36] I paid good money to see it

[00:42:37] and I was not disappointed.

[00:42:40] And that's another one.

[00:42:41] I was the one who was laughing

[00:42:43] at some of the jokes

[00:42:44] and different things like that.

[00:42:45] And there were only like maybe three

[00:42:47] or four other people in the audience at the time,

[00:42:49] but I was going, yeah.

[00:42:52] Oh, nice.

[00:42:53] I.

[00:42:55] I the last time I was at a theater

[00:42:57] where there was like four people was probably

[00:42:59] I saw Mike Flanagan's horror mystery.

[00:43:03] Oculus worthwhile.

[00:43:07] I recommend Mike Flanagan in general

[00:43:08] because unlike all these torture porn guys,

[00:43:10] he he's going by old Gothic kind of

[00:43:12] hammer horror kind of things just.

[00:43:14] I'll raise your kind of vibes instead of,

[00:43:16] you know, gross you out and be fucking stupid.

[00:43:19] You know, like scream ripoffs.

[00:43:21] Yeah, I took a blind date to a movie

[00:43:24] and the movie was Tai Pan.

[00:43:27] Oh, only in the theater.

[00:43:31] It's an interesting costume drama,

[00:43:34] but it is very confusing

[00:43:35] and I think that's why I bombed.

[00:43:39] Love Brian Brown, though.

[00:43:40] He should have been in one of these movies.

[00:43:43] But no, that's wild.

[00:43:44] So yeah, Undercover Brother, you know,

[00:43:46] I take it you've seen the awful sequel, Tom?

[00:43:49] Um, yeah, and thankfully not.

[00:43:53] I want to preserve the memory of the awesomeness

[00:43:55] that was Undercover Brother.

[00:43:57] I haven't seen it either.

[00:43:58] I did, however, see Michael J. White's sequel

[00:44:00] to Sudden Death and I had to skip through it.

[00:44:02] I'm just like this is insufferable

[00:44:04] and he looks like he doesn't want to be here right now.

[00:44:07] He's a really smart and very talented dude.

[00:44:09] But it was one of those like, come on.

[00:44:12] I think when it comes to those types of movies,

[00:44:14] I liked Undercover Brother,

[00:44:15] but I think I like Black Dynamite more.

[00:44:18] Oh, absolutely.

[00:44:19] Those are Black Dynamite lead into that kind of stuff.

[00:44:23] They really do.

[00:44:24] A low down dirty shame.

[00:44:26] A lot of what Keener Ivory Wayans was doing.

[00:44:28] But it's cool that you bring up Undercover Brother

[00:44:30] because it's like in Pluto Nash,

[00:44:33] you're leaning hard into the whole Austin Powers territory

[00:44:35] and only one of them was successful at it.

[00:44:37] But it also, like you say, is kind of like Shaft

[00:44:40] where it brings up some racial jokes and commentary

[00:44:43] and other stuff that only a minority audience

[00:44:45] is really going to get on the first 10 viewings.

[00:44:50] So it is a fun puzzle piece to kind of pick apart.

[00:44:54] But yeah, I mean these movies,

[00:44:58] I'm going to pretty much refuse to...

[00:45:01] If you're a fan of again,

[00:45:03] all the other stuff we mentioned in The Heat of the Night,

[00:45:06] Dirty Hair, Death Wish,

[00:45:07] definitely saddle up and embrace the original Walking Tall movies.

[00:45:13] They won't all entertain,

[00:45:15] but they are hardly awful or incompetent.

[00:45:17] They're pretty much exactly what they stayed on the bill.

[00:45:21] If you're going to watch any of these newer ones,

[00:45:23] definitely stick with the one The Rock did

[00:45:25] just because even though it's not original,

[00:45:28] it at least is engaging

[00:45:31] and has a few cool gun plays and explosions.

[00:45:37] But if anything,

[00:45:39] I would love to do like a Joe Don Baker marathon.

[00:45:42] I would love to see the first Walking Tall with Framed or Mitchell.

[00:45:49] I was actually watching Mitchell on Amazon Prime.

[00:45:53] Yeah, it's pretty interesting seeing it uncut versus what's on TV.

[00:45:58] Can you imagine how much time would have felt robbed when you're like,

[00:46:02] so I didn't even see the villains come up and why would you cut that out?

[00:46:07] Stupid, stupid, stupid TV sensors.

[00:46:11] But the Walking Tall remake, I think,

[00:46:13] would actually make a perfect double feature with the original Roadhouse.

[00:46:18] Yeah, it's got that kind of vibe to it.

[00:46:20] Yeah, because we're not going to watch the remake.

[00:46:22] I promise you that I will.

[00:46:24] I refuse to watch that.

[00:46:27] Yeah, I'm definitely not going to remove that's been so critically bashed.

[00:46:30] I'm surprised it has a 7.5 on Amazon.

[00:46:32] What the hell is wrong with people?

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[00:48:14] I'm definitely not going to watch the ones with Kevin Sorbo.

[00:48:17] Yeah, it would be wise.

[00:48:19] It's really nothing to it.

[00:48:21] It's just, and it's a shame too because this is really what I hate most about these B-movie

[00:48:28] stars we all grow up loving or liking or saying, hey, they're pretty decent.

[00:48:32] It's like they can be good in the right things, but then they just pick a string of

[00:48:36] other stuff that you really don't want to see.

[00:48:38] And then when they get into all the Christian doomsday stuff and

[00:48:41] just utter war propaganda stuff, you're like, good God, whatever happened to just be a decent

[00:48:46] leading person in an action or horror film.

[00:48:50] It doesn't have to be this hard.

[00:48:51] And I mean, I like to have room for everybody, whether it's again, all the Scott Glens

[00:48:57] or Ed Harris's of the world or all the other Planet Hollywood guys as well as

[00:49:02] all the B-movie martial artists like the Frank Zagorinos or Van Damme knockoffs.

[00:49:06] Those are fun.

[00:49:08] You know, there's something for everybody, but it gets annoying when they are just

[00:49:15] very just vanity projects.

[00:49:19] Well, I think the first Walking Tall came out in the 70s.

[00:49:24] Those were perfect movies for drive-ins at the time.

[00:49:28] Yeah, that is a good point.

[00:49:30] And direct to video still, it's really struggling right now because Netflix has

[00:49:35] kind of taken over the whole direct to video scene.

[00:49:37] You know, like Snoop Dogg did a sports drama that's basically his version of the Bad

[00:49:43] News Bears and Amazon thought it was so bad they just pretty much put it straight

[00:49:47] to the platform.

[00:49:48] And like we're not putting that in a theater.

[00:49:51] So you kind of wonder if they tried to do a Walking Tall even as a series or

[00:49:55] something probably more like Reacher.

[00:49:57] Oh, absolutely.

[00:49:58] And that's what I actually do admire about them.

[00:50:01] They do the whole let's adapt a book that's based on like a cool procedural

[00:50:05] or spy thing or fantasy novel.

[00:50:08] You know, so I do admire what they've done with Reacher, Will of Time,

[00:50:12] Bosch and the Jack Ryan show is like I actually am one of the few actually

[00:50:18] like the New Lord of the Rings show.

[00:50:19] It went its own direction.

[00:50:21] I didn't understand why everyone would doubt about.

[00:50:22] Oh, there's a black hobbit.

[00:50:25] Oh, I tried to follow it, but I just I guess I was too busy at the time.

[00:50:30] And I watched a few episodes but didn't get into it.

[00:50:33] No, that's fine.

[00:50:34] I mean, yeah, at least that's hey, I gave it a shot and it wasn't for me versus

[00:50:38] oh my God, there's a strong woman on the cover.

[00:50:41] Well, yeah, it's Lord of the Rings.

[00:50:43] Yeah.

[00:50:46] They do have women in Middle Earth.

[00:50:48] I mean, how do you think all the races?

[00:50:50] I argued actually with a stuck up bitch online.

[00:50:52] He was like, oh, you know, I can't stand this strong woman.

[00:50:56] I'm like, do you hear yourself right now?

[00:50:58] And you claim to have read the books.

[00:51:01] I don't believe you for a second.

[00:51:03] This character is very prominent and very strong in the book.

[00:51:06] So again, what's your problem?

[00:51:08] Well, that Game of Thrones spin off was very women centric, wasn't it?

[00:51:13] I think so.

[00:51:16] I only bothered with some of it.

[00:51:18] I'm not I'm not sure what to make George R.R. Martin.

[00:51:23] He seems to just take a lot of other people's ideas

[00:51:26] and be accused of stealing and then not want to finish them.

[00:51:29] So he gives them to other people who don't know what to do with it.

[00:51:32] I'm kind of that kind of blurs to me with Walking Dead.

[00:51:38] I'm just like, sounds cool on paper.

[00:51:40] I don't think you're doing any good with it.

[00:51:43] I need more Bruce Campbell for walking.

[00:51:48] Oh, OK.

[00:51:49] Same kind of deal where everyone knows their shit about it.

[00:51:52] And then for like 20, 48 hours, people are posting spoilers on their Facebook.

[00:51:58] And you're like, gee, thanks for giving it away.

[00:52:00] Not that I cared anymore, but good God.

[00:52:03] I was kind of sad to see Ash versus Evil Dead end after season three.

[00:52:08] Yeah.

[00:52:08] And yeah, did you guys see the new one rise?

[00:52:14] Yeah, I can't remember what it's called, but I have it.

[00:52:21] I didn't mind it.

[00:52:22] I just got done seeing it on Max recently and was like, you know,

[00:52:27] I can jive with this.

[00:52:29] It knew when to just get everything done on time.

[00:52:31] It didn't feel workmanlike like some of these other reboots and rehashes.

[00:52:36] It was kind of like Die Hard, you know, Evil Dead.

[00:52:39] I kind of did get a bit of that at the end in the elevator scene.

[00:52:42] I'm like, I'm getting very claustrophobic.

[00:52:44] Well, the whole thing pretty much takes place in the building.

[00:52:46] One building.

[00:52:47] I mean, so does the original.

[00:52:48] But I know what you mean.

[00:52:49] The reason was more Night of the Living Dead.

[00:52:50] And this was more Alien Die Hard.

[00:52:52] Yeah.

[00:52:56] We'll get there soon.

[00:52:57] I mean, they're reshuffling so many different movies and shows.

[00:53:01] I've been even reading some of these comic book crossovers

[00:53:05] and some of them are very fun to read.

[00:53:07] Some of them don't work at all, but you like the artwork and everything.

[00:53:10] And it makes you realize, you know what?

[00:53:12] This could only work as a comic.

[00:53:16] This wouldn't work as a movie.

[00:53:19] Like I read Alien vs. Predator vs. Terminator.

[00:53:21] Same kind of deal.

[00:53:22] It's like, well, this was interesting,

[00:53:24] but it's kind of anticlimactic at the last five pages.

[00:53:27] So this wouldn't work as a movie.

[00:53:29] Well, then you got things like Terminator and Robocop.

[00:53:34] I did.

[00:53:34] I just read the recent one actually last night, Kill a Human.

[00:53:37] And same kind of deal where it's like this was engaging

[00:53:40] and very original and it's twisted stuff.

[00:53:43] But that's how it ends?

[00:53:45] So it was all for nothing?

[00:53:46] What?

[00:53:48] No, but like you said with crossovers,

[00:53:52] there was one that I just completely by accident,

[00:53:54] but I love both franchises.

[00:53:57] It was Star Trek and Planet of the Apes.

[00:53:59] Yes, Rod Sterling.

[00:54:02] The Planet Directive.

[00:54:04] I haven't read that one.

[00:54:05] I read the Star Trek crossover with the Green Lantern Corps.

[00:54:09] There's one with that.

[00:54:10] There's one where they take the animated series style

[00:54:12] and they put it, they have them fighting the Transformers.

[00:54:16] Yeah, I haven't read that one either.

[00:54:17] I've seen it.

[00:54:18] Back to the Future also did a one.

[00:54:21] They also had crossovers with Star Trek and Doctor Who.

[00:54:25] Yeah, yes, they did.

[00:54:26] We talked about it briefly.

[00:54:28] We should totally do an episode on it all.

[00:54:30] They had Star Trek and the X-Men too.

[00:54:33] Yes.

[00:54:34] Second contact.

[00:54:35] Yeah.

[00:54:40] And see, yeah, crossovers can be good.

[00:54:42] I mean, I already mentioned Crysis and Infinite Earths.

[00:54:44] It doesn't have to be overcomplicated.

[00:54:47] And I think I know we're kind of going around,

[00:54:51] beating around the bush guys, but I mean,

[00:54:53] walking tall is just kind of a rare kind of agreeable.

[00:54:55] And if it backfires, it's just rightfully forgotten

[00:54:59] as opposed to just, wow, you know,

[00:55:02] just incompetent as a whole, poorly done.

[00:55:04] You know, it's just, because I mean,

[00:55:07] they're doing it with so many other revenge kind of things.

[00:55:09] And I think the issue with revenge is

[00:55:11] they just take so long building it up.

[00:55:14] And then if you're not digging it,

[00:55:16] it doesn't matter how much awesome martial arts or

[00:55:21] badass gunplay is in the last 20 minutes.

[00:55:23] You're like, I hated having to suffer for the first 40 minutes.

[00:55:28] Exactly.

[00:55:29] And that's a problem with any kind of remakes,

[00:55:33] especially these days.

[00:55:35] You're dealing with people who are,

[00:55:39] they may be familiar with the original work,

[00:55:42] but they still want to take liberties with it

[00:55:44] or they still want to put their own spin on it.

[00:55:47] Put their own spin on it.

[00:55:49] They say, well, yeah, this is going to be,

[00:55:51] it's like Romeo and Juliet, but this time

[00:55:54] Romeo is an African-American gentleman.

[00:55:57] Romeo is a pimp.

[00:55:58] And Juliet is a bi-curious fairy fey kind.

[00:56:04] Yeah, it's something where you're like, what?

[00:56:09] Oh man.

[00:56:10] And it is always wild when it goes there

[00:56:12] and you're like, I don't know how to process this at all.

[00:56:16] I was so embarrassed when my theater troupe in college,

[00:56:21] a bunch of them were very addicted to the movie,

[00:56:23] Colombiana.

[00:56:23] And I was like, they were acting like it was so deep.

[00:56:25] And I was like, you guys have not seen many movies,

[00:56:28] have you?

[00:56:29] That movie is fucking terrible.

[00:56:30] I love Zoe Zadane.

[00:56:31] She's a great ass kicker and a very cool, charming chick.

[00:56:35] But like, they took an abandoned sequel

[00:56:38] to Leon the Professional and they made this just

[00:56:41] dumpster fire of a revenge movie.

[00:56:43] Well, I did watch that movie and I don't remember anything

[00:56:47] about it except that she starred in.

[00:56:50] That's pretty much it.

[00:56:50] I don't think anyone who worked on it remembers it

[00:56:52] because like it is one of those, it's over and done

[00:56:56] and just the fight scenes go too fast

[00:56:58] so you can't see anything and it's PG-13 so there's no...

[00:57:03] Nothing worth the adult males to watch.

[00:57:06] Oh, that sucks because there have been cool PG-13

[00:57:09] or movies that are, but it's really just for one splat

[00:57:12] on a windshield and five F bombs that's not much different

[00:57:14] than PG-13 but yeah, this was to the point

[00:57:17] where it was just like really?

[00:57:19] You just shot them?

[00:57:21] No lines or anything?

[00:57:22] Like I've been waiting for this moment.

[00:57:24] It's like you can't tell any of the guys there.

[00:57:28] It's insufferable and it's indistinguishable

[00:57:30] from all the other bullet holes.

[00:57:31] It's just like, okay.

[00:57:35] Yeah, this bullet hole represents racism.

[00:57:37] This one represents a trans community.

[00:57:40] Yeah, there you go.

[00:57:42] Yeah, you're digging too deeply.

[00:57:43] It's actually deeper, man.

[00:57:45] I swear it's a wet dream of an amazingness.

[00:57:49] Yeah.

[00:57:51] If you really want to see it,

[00:57:52] if you really want to see it,

[00:57:54] as you saw them at Kick-Ass movie,

[00:57:57] can't go wrong with the losers.

[00:57:59] You know, my co-host John really likes that.

[00:58:03] I've never been able to get into that

[00:58:04] but I'm due for rewatch.

[00:58:06] What do you love about it other than Chris Evans?

[00:58:09] What clicks in that one?

[00:58:10] Chris Evans, the casting was just perfect.

[00:58:14] I could not think of a person

[00:58:16] that didn't make me want to watch the movie

[00:58:19] but the guy who played the sniper,

[00:58:23] he didn't say much but he was just...

[00:58:27] Oh, it was Cougar, I think his name was.

[00:58:31] Yeah, it wasn't played by Peter Berg.

[00:58:33] It was, I think he co-produced it.

[00:58:37] Yeah, but either way.

[00:58:39] So he's still in that scene.

[00:58:41] She's on every team.

[00:58:43] Yeah, the one scene where Chris Evans

[00:58:45] pretended to be psychic and he did the okay sign.

[00:58:49] He's basically doing Sean on Psych meets

[00:58:55] Hannibal on the A-Team.

[00:58:58] Yes.

[00:59:00] What did you think?

[00:59:00] Go ahead.

[00:59:03] I was going to say that just the way

[00:59:05] that was done and plus the most entertaining use

[00:59:11] of the song Don't Stop Believing in movie history.

[00:59:15] There is no question that scene was freaking perfect.

[00:59:22] I enjoyed that movie as well.

[00:59:24] I liked Jeffrey Dean Morgan.

[00:59:26] Yes.

[00:59:26] Either way, it was better than The Man from Uncle.

[00:59:29] But did you ever read the comic series that it was based on?

[00:59:33] I didn't read the DC Vertigo comic.

[00:59:35] I knew it was produced by Joel Silver

[00:59:37] and it had been in development hell for a while.

[00:59:41] It was kind of a minor comeback for Jason Patrick

[00:59:44] and a bad guy role.

[00:59:46] Jeffrey Dean Morgan was in it.

[00:59:49] It was a better role for Dresselva, that's for sure.

[00:59:52] I just know if I had read the comic

[00:59:55] and then watched the movie,

[00:59:56] I might not have been as happy,

[00:59:57] but I didn't read the comic.

[00:59:59] It is kind of like wanted and read where they took some liberties.

[01:00:04] The boys in a way were like,

[01:00:05] oh yeah, this would totally divide the audience

[01:00:07] unless it's not do it.

[01:00:08] Let's not open that door.

[01:00:11] Even with Kingsman, you could tell there were some liberties taken

[01:00:17] but I read the comic and watched the movie

[01:00:22] and I treat them separately.

[01:00:25] I don't treat them as though they're the same thing

[01:00:28] because they're really not the same thing.

[01:00:29] I watch the first one anytime it's on TV.

[01:00:32] Just that moment where he is slaughtering

[01:00:33] a whole church of terrorists to Lynyrd Skynyrd.

[01:00:36] I'm just like, whoa, what the hell?

[01:00:40] This is amazing.

[01:00:41] I even like this.

[01:00:43] I'll even say I even enjoyed the second one,

[01:00:45] The Golden Circle.

[01:00:46] It had its moments.

[01:00:48] I don't know if I've seen any other ones yet.

[01:00:50] But the prequel didn't do it for me.

[01:00:52] I was just like, why did they bother?

[01:00:55] The prequel was a little flat, but it was all right.

[01:00:57] That's all good.

[01:00:59] Once again, my pal John liked it a lot.

[01:01:02] I don't know, man.

[01:01:03] But this is the beauty of it.

[01:01:05] It's different strokes from different folks.

[01:01:08] John doesn't like any equalizer sequels.

[01:01:10] I actually dug this recent one they did.

[01:01:12] The third and final one where it's more like a gangster film

[01:01:17] in Italy where he's again,

[01:01:19] the same high noon kind of thing.

[01:01:20] He's waiting for the bullies, these mobsters

[01:01:23] to have decimated all the other guys.

[01:01:26] They backstabbed.

[01:01:27] And while they're in cahoots,

[01:01:30] he strikes at when they're most vulnerable.

[01:01:32] And I just like that kind of suspenseful angle.

[01:01:34] But I know that this generation kind of prefers

[01:01:37] stylish Matrix fight scenes.

[01:01:39] I'm like, there's no need.

[01:01:43] The Equalizer was my favorite TV show in the 80s.

[01:01:47] Yeah.

[01:01:47] They kind of Mission Impossible did here

[01:01:49] where they're like, hey, let's frame it around an A-lister.

[01:01:52] Let's have it be a whole different identity.

[01:01:53] And then same thing with the identity.

[01:01:57] Yeah, well, you know, and I got used to Denzel Washington.

[01:02:01] I kind of, and I liked it.

[01:02:03] I like the three movies.

[01:02:04] What I don't like so much is the TV show that they have now.

[01:02:08] Yeah, no, that's fair.

[01:02:09] That's what they shouldn't have even called it.

[01:02:11] It's what Queen Latifah, I think it was.

[01:02:13] Yeah.

[01:02:14] And Adam Goldberg and the Asian chick from NCIS.

[01:02:18] And see, they're kind of more like person of interest in CIS.

[01:02:21] So it's not like.

[01:02:22] Yeah, that's what I felt.

[01:02:23] It wasn't an equalizer.

[01:02:24] It felt like one of those other shows, like you just mentioned.

[01:02:27] I find it watchable.

[01:02:28] It's not what I want, but I guess I just like her so much as an actress.

[01:02:32] So it was one of those.

[01:02:33] I was just like, man.

[01:02:34] Now I did give up on some of the other spin-offs that came out lately

[01:02:38] where I was just like, again, same deal where you're like,

[01:02:41] just take the rename it.

[01:02:43] It would probably be way more accepted.

[01:02:46] But as it stands now, we're just comparing it to two unlike things

[01:02:50] and it's driving us crazy.

[01:02:51] That's how it was within CIS Sydney.

[01:02:52] I'm like, it's fine.

[01:02:54] It's kind of boring.

[01:02:55] The cast is giving it their all.

[01:02:58] I don't know what this has to do with all these other shows.

[01:03:01] And clearly they're not doing a crossover event anytime soon

[01:03:04] to smack it all together.

[01:03:06] So I'm just going to give up that great episode.

[01:03:08] So I value my time and I can't even hate watch something anymore.

[01:03:12] Like I'm not to that point where I can walk her Texas range

[01:03:15] or something where I just am laughing my ass off at how cheesy

[01:03:18] it is.

[01:03:21] I just really, I do value my time now.

[01:03:25] There was like, I used to be, I would sit down for anything

[01:03:28] and just go far and make cheesy commentary with other friends

[01:03:32] and my siblings.

[01:03:33] But now I'm just like, yeah, let's move on.

[01:03:37] Let's not make the people who are programming this thing.

[01:03:40] We actually enjoy it.

[01:03:41] They stole my joy.

[01:03:45] We're claiming it back.

[01:03:47] I'm taking it back.

[01:03:48] There you go.

[01:03:49] So now you should do all these cheesy action movie taglines

[01:03:52] is like they made one mistake.

[01:03:55] Now he's punching it back at them.

[01:03:57] Yeah.

[01:03:59] He had an overdue library book.

[01:04:03] He brought it back.

[01:04:06] Without any late fees.

[01:04:09] So here's the question.

[01:04:10] Who would you cast if they did a walking tall TV series today?

[01:04:14] I knew why.

[01:04:15] I love this.

[01:04:16] I love how you went into my platform and you put me on the spot.

[01:04:25] Let me know how you guys feel about this.

[01:04:27] I watched a lot of video on demand and TV stuff.

[01:04:32] So two options.

[01:04:35] Are you guys friends of Frank Grillo?

[01:04:39] He's the villain that was in the Captain America movies.

[01:04:41] Yeah, he's the stranger in the purge.

[01:04:43] He's had a big share of various other action martial arts movies.

[01:04:47] Or the guy who plays Longmire.

[01:04:49] You might know him as one of the agents in the first Matrix, Robert Taylor.

[01:04:51] No relation to the 60s actor.

[01:04:55] I feel like they have kind of the grit where it is like they could be the everyman

[01:05:00] and then just give the role just so much more than...

[01:05:03] I mean, just kind of like how they took the unknown from Titans and made them reachers.

[01:05:06] Like this someone who kind of swab the ladies alike,

[01:05:11] the guys that want to know their physique,

[01:05:13] but they're not just, you know, macho man.

[01:05:16] They're not just former wrestler term, you know, MVP movie stars.

[01:05:20] They're not the actual Buford Pusser then.

[01:05:24] That's true.

[01:05:26] I would take liberties, but I could send a research team and get some stuff off real life

[01:05:32] events.

[01:05:33] I mean, Longmire even tackled some moments where he was going after some KKK white

[01:05:38] supremacists, Rednecks before that was a thing post January 6th.

[01:05:42] So I think we could totally, you know, we could have some subtle commentary here and there

[01:05:48] without it being, you know, overtly political, like no ranting.

[01:05:52] Just say, hey, you know who these are.

[01:05:54] If I have to tell you who they are, then why are you here?

[01:05:58] It's like, is it that...

[01:06:00] Is it really not that obvious?

[01:06:02] He's got a swastika on.

[01:06:04] I think you know who he is.

[01:06:08] I think you know where he stands and I'm gonna kick his ass because he's

[01:06:11] threatening a school, a church full of black people or a school of just, you know,

[01:06:16] young kids who don't think like him.

[01:06:24] I'm not sure he would do a TV series again, but I could see Vincent D'Onofrio as...

[01:06:33] Of that same kind of deal.

[01:06:34] He can, he is so diverse.

[01:06:37] He...

[01:06:39] What voice would he pick?

[01:06:40] Would he do the Gorin voice in Law and Order or would he do a mixture of the Kingpin and some

[01:06:44] of his other anti-hero roles he's done or just grow?

[01:06:49] Well, I don't know that it'd be the Kingpin because that's pretty, that's a pretty affected...

[01:06:55] Well, I just mean the voice, but yeah, it's very deep.

[01:07:01] Yeah, I can all see him doing a little deeper voice with this.

[01:07:07] Because you kind of want to have somebody with the gravel in their throat.

[01:07:11] Well, and then you still want him to go by the whole, you know, speak softly and carry a big stick.

[01:07:18] Exactly.

[01:07:20] And I think D'Onofrio could easily pull it off.

[01:07:23] I mean just look what he did with as a semi-minor character in Men in Black.

[01:07:30] There you go.

[01:07:31] Or his face is holding on.

[01:07:33] He could look just as grumpy as that and then yeah.

[01:07:37] We put a badge on him and just show him.

[01:07:40] And again, it's not about who kills who every week.

[01:07:42] It's just, hey, I heard there's some foul play.

[01:07:46] How about you check it out?

[01:07:46] And we see...

[01:07:48] It'd be even cooler if you were talking about the car earlier.

[01:07:51] What if the car was just as prominent?

[01:07:53] You know, like we show what do they got to do?

[01:07:56] How do they suit up?

[01:07:57] How do they make a log on what equipment they're going to need for this,

[01:08:02] you know, potential riot that's gone violent, you know?

[01:08:06] Yeah.

[01:08:08] And you could almost bring in the elements of like in the heat of the night

[01:08:11] in with that too.

[01:08:13] Totally.

[01:08:14] Same kind of deal.

[01:08:15] The kind of procedural stuff, the day-to-day stuff.

[01:08:20] Yeah, I was just thinking that myself and you just said it out loud.

[01:08:24] But like you guys say, it's more the day-to-day routine as opposed to

[01:08:28] who wronged who, who raped who, you know?

[01:08:30] It's showing you, hey, here's what's on their mind.

[01:08:35] And the show would literally take off if you just get just awesome reaction shots

[01:08:40] of them being like, oh brother, what do we got?

[01:08:42] You know, just a day-to-day routine.

[01:08:44] Like for instance, like, you know, people don't remember...

[01:08:47] Well, some people do.

[01:08:48] Some people remember the shocking violence in seven,

[01:08:50] but most people are going to say I remember the dialogue and the

[01:08:55] endless montages where the detectives are up all night, you know,

[01:08:58] solving the crime and we're filling the sweat on their very face.

[01:09:02] You want something that just shows, illustrates some kind of truth

[01:09:07] for its characters as opposed to let's just be stylish and do a random montage.

[01:09:15] Well, I guess the way it would differ would probably be the way that

[01:09:19] Buford Pusser character would seek justice.

[01:09:22] There you go.

[01:09:23] You don't have to decide do I want to run for...

[01:09:26] So season one he runs for mayor.

[01:09:28] Season two, if he gets to be mayor,

[01:09:31] he inevitably would have to probably deal with some bureaucrats.

[01:09:36] You would want to at least illustrate the town and show how it's impacted,

[01:09:41] especially if we're giving a version of a modern day world.

[01:09:45] Yeah, yeah, even say if you're gonna do that.

[01:09:48] The first season he runs from mayor and he doesn't get it.

[01:09:51] There you go.

[01:09:52] And then you have build it up, fill it up.

[01:09:55] That would be amazing.

[01:09:56] And he's like driving home and he sees nothing but just people burning their flags and

[01:10:04] homeless drug dealers who are just asking for a light and he's like, go away.

[01:10:10] There's something just showing how his world looks bleak, but he realizes

[01:10:16] how he's not the only one who's trying to be a bigger man.

[01:10:23] And he's only in a small part of the entire world by that nature.

[01:10:28] You know, he'd be fighting justice and being a single dad taking care of his two kids.

[01:10:36] Oh, there you go.

[01:10:38] Well, as long as the kids are...

[01:10:39] Go into the canes.

[01:10:41] Oh, there you go.

[01:10:42] Tommy!

[01:10:45] Stephen J. Cannell.

[01:10:46] Yeah, there you go.

[01:10:47] And then we got to have a hunter style car chase.

[01:10:51] Love it.

[01:10:51] Love it.

[01:10:52] Love it.

[01:10:54] So, who would you cast, Gil?

[01:10:57] Oh, I knew you were going to do that.

[01:11:02] I was thinking more of the bruiser type, but I couldn't come up with one because

[01:11:06] I was thinking that...

[01:11:07] Well, no, the bruiser type.

[01:11:09] Like the guy who plays Reacher, but I'm like he's already a Reacher.

[01:11:13] And then I'm thinking of John Cena.

[01:11:14] I'm like, well, he's already Peacemaker.

[01:11:16] So I couldn't really come up with it.

[01:11:22] Hmm.

[01:11:24] If you want to do another wrestler turned actor bit, maybe do Kurt Angle.

[01:11:28] Oh my God.

[01:11:30] He might just do it.

[01:11:34] He's fighting criminals in the South with a broken freaking neck.

[01:11:39] Oh, there you go.

[01:11:40] Call it broken necks from the producers of the new Walking Dolls.

[01:11:47] Maybe a sister show.

[01:11:49] There you go.

[01:11:49] It'd be a sister show.

[01:11:50] They're all on the same network, even though they're nothing alike in terms of tone or mood.

[01:11:57] Oh, and the Edge could be the villain, but she's actually a decent actor,

[01:12:02] but he does occasionally choose some dumb wrestling action moves to be in.

[01:12:06] I'm like, oh, you're so good on Haven and Vikings.

[01:12:09] Why do you in this piece of shit?

[01:12:14] I love it.

[01:12:15] You can't pay the bill somehow.

[01:12:16] I know.

[01:12:19] Not everyone can afford Eric Roberts.

[01:12:20] I get it.

[01:12:24] Oh, um, go ahead.

[01:12:28] Sorry.

[01:12:28] How's it going to be?

[01:12:31] I can only see him now as pizza papa.

[01:12:33] Oh, because of Dr. Strange too.

[01:12:35] Yeah.

[01:12:37] Yeah.

[01:12:38] Quick impression for you, Eric Roberts at home answering with telephone.

[01:12:42] Hello.

[01:12:43] I'll take it.

[01:12:45] Well, it's even better because his wife is also his agent,

[01:12:48] so he often has a follow up line.

[01:12:50] Can she come too?

[01:12:54] And that's why he was that.

[01:12:55] That's actually why he accepted the role of in short.

[01:12:59] Oh, my God.

[01:13:00] I just thought somebody else who I think would make them at least a passable

[01:13:06] pupa pusser now.

[01:13:08] I can't remember his name.

[01:13:10] Carl Urban.

[01:13:13] Let's do it.

[01:13:13] Okay.

[01:13:14] The boys.

[01:13:15] Let's do it.

[01:13:15] Dread.

[01:13:17] That's part of the new Star Trek.

[01:13:18] Doom with the Rock.

[01:13:20] Yeah, let's let's do it.

[01:13:22] Let's freaking do it.

[01:13:23] I got to.

[01:13:24] Yeah, I like I like him and just about everything he's done.

[01:13:26] He was in that sci fi buddy show almost human where he and a robot were solving crimes and

[01:13:33] I had like artificial was he a robot?

[01:13:35] Yeah, he was a cyborg.

[01:13:38] And once the God canceled me and I kid you not me and family members

[01:13:42] started looking for the TV listings are like hopefully it comes back one of these days.

[01:13:47] Nope.

[01:13:47] Lost to the ages of time.

[01:13:48] Fuck you, Fox.

[01:13:50] Yeah, no, Carl Urban would be perfect because he can do all kinds of accents.

[01:13:54] He he's in this really awesome revenge film speaking revenge acts of vengeance

[01:14:00] with that has been with Antonio Banderas.

[01:14:03] I don't want to give up the plot twist because it really is a huge spoiler if I

[01:14:07] say anything about what he does but it's so awesome seeing him train and Antonio

[01:14:12] Banderas is looking for who killed his family and every day while it's like what

[01:14:18] 12 hours a day he's searching around and like a few other hours he's training

[01:14:22] and kickboxing everything.

[01:14:23] It's it does a cool if they do something like that or just show the day to day on how

[01:14:28] this takes a toll on you and how you have to slowly divide your time be a more realistic

[01:14:35] Batman and for these free hours I'm doing my something work related the next few hours

[01:14:41] I'm getting ready to clock out and close up shop the next hours I'm looking around

[01:14:46] spying on people taking photos of their warehouse and then I'm getting in shape

[01:14:50] and getting what little sleep I can and then repeat repeat and by the time I'm burnt out

[01:14:58] I'm already built up physically to where I can go and beat up or kill the main bad guy

[01:15:05] and yeah no Carl would be perfect.

[01:15:08] If you've seen him on the Lonesome Doug spin off yeah he did he can definitely do

[01:15:14] all kinds of kind of country twang and just

[01:15:21] I know he didn't play preacher I'm sorry that was wrong.

[01:15:23] He didn't read I mean he had all this nickelback hair in the Lord of the Rings movie

[01:15:28] as the Omer so there you go yeah yeah just why just listen to his voice in the in the

[01:15:34] J.J. Abram Star Trek.

[01:15:37] He nailed DeForest Kelly but he is still you can still tell there are elements of that

[01:15:43] little southern twang because McCoy was an old country doctor.

[01:15:48] Yes well you just made me think you know when I when I mistakenly said Carl

[01:15:53] Lerb and his preacher it's that other guy Dominic Dominic I can't think of his real

[01:15:58] Dominic West.

[01:16:00] Is that it?

[01:16:01] No I don't know.

[01:16:02] No what Dominic West it was and it wasn't Purcell either.

[01:16:07] It wasn't Purcell?

[01:16:10] No but he seems to me like more of a barfly or guy who owns a restaurant and

[01:16:19] he's throwing guys out.

[01:16:21] He played Tony Stark's dad in the in the first Captain America.

[01:16:26] Oh he played the younger version of him in Captain America yeah.

[01:16:30] Oh Dominic Cooper.

[01:16:32] Dominic Cooper if you've seen The Devil's uh double yeah he can do all kinds of read

[01:16:39] between the lines gray area kind of yeah no I'd he'd be fine I think he's like

[01:16:45] a is he British or New Zealand it doesn't matter either way yeah he can do accents

[01:16:49] he he's played he's one of those go-to just he'll never win an award he might win an

[01:16:56] Emmy if he does a cool show but yeah he's just one of those very reliable very good

[01:17:00] very diverse yeah yeah like a Hugo Weaving or Hugo Weaving would be awesome he is

[01:17:07] one of those you want him to play something different but he's so cool at playing a bad

[01:17:11] guy you kind of want to see what antagonist he can play.

[01:17:16] Oh man.

[01:17:19] It would be hard to see him as a good guy.

[01:17:22] I mean Robert Patrick kind of did that on the latest season of Reacher where he

[01:17:27] referenced his Terminator role and you're like ah but I would love to see him

[01:17:32] as a small town sheriff you know taking out the trash for once instead of being

[01:17:38] the guy who gets bullied by Tony Soprano or crooked cops he's known for playing.

[01:17:45] Oh.

[01:17:47] Or being the wife of what's her name from Strip T's Demi Moore.

[01:17:52] Oh the husband yeah yeah yeah.

[01:17:55] Yeah.

[01:18:01] When anytime I saw those segments of that stupid movie I was like I feel like these

[01:18:05] are from a different movie is this meant to be an Elmer Leonard dark comedy what's

[01:18:08] going on here?

[01:18:10] Oh.

[01:18:12] I like what they were I mean he only had the one scene but he started off Stargate

[01:18:18] Atlantis.

[01:18:19] Yeah oh my god and you thought he's going to be the lead right?

[01:18:23] No.

[01:18:25] There was another one you could there's no one you could possibly bring out of

[01:18:28] retirement Richard Dean Anderson.

[01:18:32] They're actually talking about bringing Stargate back fingers crossed.

[01:18:36] Well yeah but I think he's pretty much retired at this point though.

[01:18:40] He kind of is but he's he's cited some interesting things my pal Mac Jackson who

[01:18:46] has contributed stuff to Monkey Mania radio he was fortunate to interview a lot of the

[01:18:52] Stargate actors and Richard is one of those you know when he's not snowboarding or

[01:18:59] snow skiing you know he he's doing all kinds of stuff that he actually wants to do but

[01:19:06] yeah if if he gets a workout plan and he gets those steroids under control I would love to

[01:19:11] see him as a small town sheriff that'd be awesome.

[01:19:15] Yeah.

[01:19:16] If he wants to do the MacGyver thing is like hey you know don't hit until you know don't

[01:19:20] be the one who froze the first puns that'd be interesting a fun pacifist kind of look at it.

[01:19:26] How do you do that against guys who have no ethics have no double standards?

[01:19:32] Be pretty hard.

[01:19:33] Qui-Gon Kane with a two by four.

[01:19:39] That could be a two he just drives people around

[01:19:42] with the other deputies go around and beating people up and he ends the whole

[01:19:46] thing by putting the guys in the cuffs.

[01:19:49] Once you take this two by four from my hand you will be you can you'll be able

[01:19:54] to lead the monastery.

[01:19:55] He could put in a bit of the Jack O'Neill thing where he's like permission to punch

[01:19:59] this man sir.

[01:20:00] So that would be one of the spin-offs that'd be one of the spin-offs walking tall kung fu.

[01:20:04] Walking yeah there you go.

[01:20:06] Walking kung fu.

[01:20:07] Stargate.

[01:20:11] Walking into Atlantis but there's got to be a stupid season where they call it walking taller.

[01:20:19] They just they have to rename the show the minute that the lead star inevitably

[01:20:24] leaves and they got to cast someone else who

[01:20:28] the younger crowd and grand dads won't mind staying up on a Sunday night to watch kick some

[01:20:32] ass.

[01:20:35] There you go.

[01:20:37] He drove me off.

[01:20:38] We're gonna get diabetes.

[01:20:42] Oh man.

[01:20:44] Oh is he still he is now rest in peace.

[01:20:50] I'm coming back for the dead.

[01:20:51] Going back on the day.

[01:20:54] Remove the diabetes from walking tall dead.

[01:20:59] Walking tall dead.

[01:21:01] So yeah that's the Bruce Campbell spin-off.

[01:21:03] The grassy event we never knew we needed.

[01:21:05] Daryl Dixon.

[01:21:09] Oh my god.

[01:21:12] Did you guys ever watch other crazy stuff that was like on UPN like seven days or

[01:21:16] the sentinel.

[01:21:18] I feel like they should do.

[01:21:19] Oh those.

[01:21:21] They should do like an X-Files like mystery every once in a while that just gets the

[01:21:25] town on edge and then it's almost always just it was just an asshole who happened to be

[01:21:30] wearing a very realistic cosplay that got all the paranormal people freaked out and

[01:21:34] then at the end there's like just some like electrical lightning and a hand that comes out

[01:21:40] of a grave so you're like hmm maybe they were onto something.

[01:21:43] Oh my god.

[01:21:57] Oh there you go Tom Welling.

[01:22:00] Get him.

[01:22:00] Oh yes and then and the very first episode someone says who the fuck are you Superman.

[01:22:09] He's like watch your mouth boy.

[01:22:11] And yeah let's have it be on Amazon so they can get in a few realistic curse words and

[01:22:16] slurs from the villains.

[01:22:19] And just so that when someone's in heavily punched they can spit out some blood and

[01:22:23] then say my turn.

[01:22:28] And and that first oh there you go and then they could have a super friends or

[01:22:32] Batman style.

[01:22:33] I am.

[01:22:38] Meanwhile back at the county jail.

[01:22:40] There you go.

[01:22:42] And the music could be kind of what Primus does with the South Park theme.

[01:22:49] Come on down.

[01:22:57] Oh man.

[01:22:59] I'm not there for a second.

[01:23:00] It was kind of about they best rise a lot of music so I was doing my own bass

[01:23:04] version of.

[01:23:07] Elmo.

[01:23:08] Pitch you up.

[01:23:11] Oh god.

[01:23:12] Okay so there you go.

[01:23:13] Sesame Street.

[01:23:14] There you go if there's an R rated Sesame Street parody of who's who in the

[01:23:18] town I feel like Big Bird is the whiny guy who makes food for everybody.

[01:23:23] Oscars the guy who steals everyone's food who's going to be the sheriff and the

[01:23:28] two deputies.

[01:23:30] Bert and Ernie.

[01:23:31] Perfect.

[01:23:34] Hey.

[01:23:35] Hey.

[01:23:35] Hey.

[01:23:35] Hey.

[01:23:35] Hey.

[01:23:35] Hey.

[01:23:35] Hey.

[01:23:35] Hey.

[01:23:36] Hey.

[01:23:36] Hey.

[01:23:36] Hey.

[01:23:36] Hey.

[01:23:36] Hey.

[01:23:36] Hey.

[01:23:36] Hey.

[01:23:37] Hey.

[01:23:37] Hey.

[01:23:37] Ernie you didn't file the incident report.

[01:23:41] I don't know what to do.

[01:23:43] Oh.

[01:23:43] Oh.

[01:23:43] Oh.

[01:23:43] Oh.

[01:23:43] Oh.

[01:23:43] Sorry Bert.

[01:23:45] I got my eye.

[01:23:46] Ask it Ernie.

[01:23:47] What are you talking about?

[01:23:49] You mean you don't know what happened.

[01:23:51] You're the.

[01:23:56] Oh god and Cookie Monster could be just the guy who's just pissing everybody off.

[01:24:00] Oh.

[01:24:01] Is a great repair for paid for those cookies.

[01:24:06] They slam them into a vending machine and say I'll pay for it later.

[01:24:11] You got.

[01:24:16] All the swords.

[01:24:16] They're logic.

[01:24:21] I guess the count could be the villain that they never quite get put away.

[01:24:25] There you go.

[01:24:27] They say he's a vampire always sucking blood.

[01:24:31] Yeah.

[01:24:32] But no one ever sees anything.

[01:24:36] You never get them on anything.

[01:24:37] Three three three red red indictments.

[01:24:42] Five five rapists.

[01:24:46] Five cracked and cocaine charges.

[01:24:55] Four towing violations.

[01:24:58] Oh god who'd be the one who's.

[01:25:01] Got nothing better to do but just just basically just puts like.

[01:25:07] Incident reports and warnings on everyone's car you could probably have.

[01:25:12] I'd be the stuff alovacus because then no one knows who posted it.

[01:25:16] That's right.

[01:25:19] Parked in a handicap here.

[01:25:24] Oh god I don't know what we're doing but it's awesome.

[01:25:33] We're ruining a childhood classic to make it more like.

[01:25:38] We did this during the jaws episode believe it or not we just started saying who should be sheriff

[01:25:43] Brody and well if you're talking sesame street who'd be the one that's kicking ass with the

[01:25:47] with the bat or the I feel like it's going to go over I was gonna go with that because

[01:25:53] Elmo gets too much attention and he's gonna want to just solve everything with a rainbow

[01:25:58] and Grover will fill with dignity he will try to charge you and fill but somehow still solve

[01:26:02] everything he'll need to call them up at squad and have uh Bozzy and Piggy and Kermit come over

[01:26:12] once in a while.

[01:26:16] We left out Kermit and Piggy but I guess they weren't on Sesame Street were they?

[01:26:20] Kermit was but he started there then he betrayed he formed his own posse.

[01:26:29] His own studio.

[01:26:32] I love I love how this took a dark twist um

[01:26:36] now it made me wish that Joe Don Baker had been on Sesame Street oh he says he hasn't been.

[01:26:42] I mean he was on Mystery Science Stadium so I guess that counts um follow us on the web on

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