The Rat Pack Comedy Group Tribute (with JJ, Tom & Gil!)

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[00:00:10] When I said we were going to be grouches, I meant we were talking about groucho marks. How are you doing Gil? I hope we're not breaking your bank account with the amount of movies and TV you watch.

[00:01:08] No, I'm always looking for excuses to buy, you know, things I want to buy anyway.

[00:01:13] It's cool to just talk to all these obscure guys like it's just you've learned so much about them, how they were this close to directing a blockbuster movie and it just wasn't to be.

[00:01:22] We've talked about all these other comedy groups before, how they slowly fade out or get it up once they start receiving bad scripts.

[00:01:30] So it's gonna be interesting tonight just how perceived the Rat Pack because we pretty much remember just like three to four of them and the rest are kind of just tagging along but kind of no other offset behavior versus contributing.

[00:01:43] Yeah.

[00:01:43] So it is. It's very interesting, especially looking at a modern day when we're looking at cancel culture, me too, and just other people who was like they were so amazing in like 2005.

[00:01:53] And now by, you know, 2022, everybody hates them because they're just such a snob on Twitter or they're doing on funny movies.

[00:02:02] Oh, the Vegas crowd. And I had no idea that Lauren Bacall came up with that name for the Rat Pack.

[00:02:10] Well, I was. Yeah, I was. I was. She was the den mother. Yeah.

[00:02:15] Yeah. Right. How far back it went. I thought it was, you know, late 50s, early 60s.

[00:02:19] Yeah. I just thought it was just the critics at the time.

[00:02:21] He was saying, yeah, it was Humphrey Bogart who had a thing called the Humbley Hills.

[00:02:29] Oh, so that they were there, I take it.

[00:02:32] Yeah. Well, no, what it was is that he had a group of guys that he hung out with and when he died, Sinatra and Bacall started going out with each other.

[00:02:42] Yeah. So what happened was, is that you got to remember, Sinatra had just won the Oscar for From Here to Eternity playing the role of Maggio.

[00:02:53] Yeah. And it's like all these things kind of happen where it's like that, you know, that rebooted his career.

[00:02:59] Yeah. So yeah. Growing up so often, I mistook Jerry Lewis's unintentionally being part of the crew just because he and Dean did so many movies together.

[00:03:08] And like, no, that wasn't like we were talking about before, like with Monty Python is like, no, nothing to do with the crowd.

[00:03:14] That's just a side project.

[00:03:15] Yeah. What happened was, is that when, when Martin and Lewis broke up, Dean did a movie called 10,000 Bedrooms that bombed, but it's a good, good movie to watch.

[00:03:28] Can you find it anywhere?

[00:03:30] Is it?

[00:03:31] Yeah, it's, it's on DVD. You can get it like, you know, from Warner Brothers.

[00:03:35] Sweet.

[00:03:36] All right.

[00:03:37] Then he does a movie called The Young Lions.

[00:03:39] Yes.

[00:03:40] Which kind of starts his career again, where he plays a, you know, where it was not showing him as,

[00:03:45] you know, the straight guy to Jerry Lewis.

[00:03:48] And then.

[00:03:49] Marlon Brando.

[00:03:50] Yeah.

[00:03:51] Him and, yeah.

[00:03:52] And then him and Sinatra do a movie together called Some Came Running by Vince, with Vincent Minelli and Shirley MacLaine is in it.

[00:03:59] So that, that kind of begins.

[00:04:02] Bat pack.

[00:04:03] Then.

[00:04:04] Oh, I have seen this.

[00:04:05] Yeah.

[00:04:06] Yeah.

[00:04:06] Small town scandals.

[00:04:08] Fun fact.

[00:04:10] You guys are going to love seeing Shirley MacLaine recently on Only Murders in the Building.

[00:04:14] That Steve Martin, Martin Short Show.

[00:04:16] Oh, she joined in the next season?

[00:04:18] Oh, no.

[00:04:19] She was, she was already on there.

[00:04:20] It's just a brief key role.

[00:04:22] But Meryl Streep joined.

[00:04:23] They, they keep adding all these other awesome actors to the mix.

[00:04:27] And it's just dynamite.

[00:04:29] Just, it's so awesome seeing these has-beens, these beloved icons in totally unrecognizable roles.

[00:04:35] And playing around with a very colorful, amusing mystery comedy.

[00:04:41] Yeah.

[00:04:43] I, and I think the thing is too, like.

[00:04:46] All right.

[00:04:47] So, I'm sorry, guys.

[00:04:48] No, no.

[00:04:49] It's all good.

[00:04:49] But yeah, we're talking about the Vegas crowd and.

[00:04:53] Yeah.

[00:04:54] How they went beyond.

[00:04:55] It's just so wild how they're kind of one of the many who kind of start out the whole,

[00:04:59] hey, you got to do comedy at casinos.

[00:05:01] And then we're going to do movies that are also kind of about casinos.

[00:05:05] I was saying.

[00:05:06] Well, the first, the first time, and then like, you know, then Sammy comes along because

[00:05:11] Frank and Dean knew Sammy from the Will Maston trio.

[00:05:16] Peter Lawford was friends with, I think it was Sinatra.

[00:05:21] And he was also.

[00:05:22] He was part of the Kennedys.

[00:05:25] I think that's why Sinatra actually became friends with Lawford because he associated with

[00:05:30] the Kennedys.

[00:05:30] Yeah.

[00:05:31] And Bishop, I don't know how the hell.

[00:05:34] But yeah, Lawford was the in-laws.

[00:05:36] So that's just what's so wild.

[00:05:38] They needed they needed a clown.

[00:05:40] And Joey Bishop was an up and coming comic.

[00:05:44] So Bishop kind of joined into that that crowd.

[00:05:48] So that's the core five.

[00:05:50] You know, and his son has gone on to do all these Tarantino inspired.

[00:05:55] Yeah.

[00:05:58] And then there were people on that peripheral that I've always said that were good, you

[00:06:03] know, that were part of it.

[00:06:05] Shirley MacLaine, Kim Novak.

[00:06:07] Oh, Novak.

[00:06:09] Oh, beautiful.

[00:06:09] Mickey Rooney was even.

[00:06:11] Mickey Rooney.

[00:06:12] Oh, Rooney.

[00:06:13] Angie Dickinson.

[00:06:15] Angie Dickinson.

[00:06:16] There's got to be some stories about her.

[00:06:19] Caesar, I think, was part of it.

[00:06:22] But I keep thinking who else.

[00:06:25] Richard Conte was part of that.

[00:06:30] Barzini and the Godfather.

[00:06:32] Yeah.

[00:06:33] Don Rickles.

[00:06:34] That was such a cool brush up when you told me about Conte.

[00:06:36] I was like, yeah, there's a reason he's he's in all these heavy hitting mob movies.

[00:06:41] And then he's in these legit comedies with these guys.

[00:06:44] You know, there's a there's a there's a thing where, you know, like Don Rickles kind of made

[00:06:49] his way into that group because of the fact that he saw Frank Sinatra one night at a thing.

[00:06:55] And he says, hey, Frank, make yourself at home.

[00:06:57] Feel yourself.

[00:06:58] Make yourself feel at home.

[00:06:59] Hit somebody.

[00:07:02] Yeah.

[00:07:03] Well, he said that he never got an official membership card, but he always felt like he

[00:07:06] was part of it.

[00:07:08] Yeah.

[00:07:09] Sinatra was probably intimidated by him if that's the case.

[00:07:14] I think Milton Burrell may have been part of that, too, for some strange reason, because

[00:07:19] wow, it was it was all these stars that were gravity.

[00:07:24] And you got to realize that was a product of the time, because in the late 50s, you know,

[00:07:28] these were five guys that were now they were going to they were going to shake things up,

[00:07:35] you know, and Ocean's Eleven really was like the one that united them.

[00:07:39] And they yeah, they filmed in the day and then they performed in the Copa Room at the Sands

[00:07:44] Hotel by night.

[00:07:45] which gave Vegas a big boost as well.

[00:07:50] Yes.

[00:07:51] Yeah.

[00:07:51] Yeah.

[00:07:52] I can't go a single day now on the on the radio without hearing or on online.

[00:07:58] There's always something at like some resort, some Nevada, some giant place that's already

[00:08:04] sold out.

[00:08:05] You know?

[00:08:06] Well, the thing was, was that you get these five guys in a room, you don't know what the

[00:08:11] hell's going to happen because they're going to shoot off.

[00:08:15] I I my my mother had a record, I think, of the there was this show called The Summit,

[00:08:23] which was kind of which was the five of them.

[00:08:27] Just it was like they were inviting, you were invited into their living room.

[00:08:31] And this is what happens.

[00:08:33] You know, drinks, they start singing songs, they do comedy bits.

[00:08:39] You know, there's all this thing going on here.

[00:08:41] And they were cool.

[00:08:43] They were all cool.

[00:08:45] You know, Sinatra's getting out of his, you know, Sinatra's now becoming, you know, ring

[00:08:50] a ding ding, you know, Sinatra.

[00:08:54] Martin's becoming, you know, the TV show, you know, Sammy's becoming, you know, the guy

[00:09:01] who can wow people.

[00:09:02] You can do so many impressions.

[00:09:04] So here's a funny thing on the official site.

[00:09:07] Yes, there's an official one.

[00:09:08] In order to qualify, one has to be addicted to nonconformity, staying up late, drinking,

[00:09:15] laughing and not caring what anyone thought or said about us.

[00:09:18] And which is funny because Dean Martin really didn't start drinking until later in life.

[00:09:22] Yeah.

[00:09:23] It's so wild because you'd see him in the movies and he seems like the guy who's gonna,

[00:09:27] he's been drinking all day.

[00:09:28] Like, yeah, he's not, it's not how it is.

[00:09:32] You figure if I'm going to be called the drunk, I might as well be living up to the expectation.

[00:09:39] Somebody died.

[00:09:39] I think it was his son died.

[00:09:43] And I think he's drinking more after that.

[00:09:46] Yeah.

[00:09:46] Yeah.

[00:09:47] Dean Paul Martin.

[00:09:48] That's a shame.

[00:09:50] Yeah.

[00:09:51] Yeah.

[00:09:52] Dean Paul Martin.

[00:09:54] Yep.

[00:09:54] He was in the.

[00:09:56] What was it?

[00:09:57] California Air Force.

[00:09:58] Something like that.

[00:10:00] Yeah.

[00:10:01] He was like in the California.

[00:10:02] Probably why he's so perfect in airport.

[00:10:03] He just has that kind of everyday.

[00:10:05] I got it.

[00:10:06] Heroism.

[00:10:08] His son.

[00:10:09] His son.

[00:10:10] Flying.

[00:10:11] And the plane crashed and they didn't know where he was.

[00:10:15] And.

[00:10:16] And he crashed in the same hills that Frank Sinatra's.

[00:10:20] Mom.

[00:10:21] His mom.

[00:10:22] Yeah.

[00:10:23] Yeah.

[00:10:23] Dolly was in the.

[00:10:25] His mom, Dolly, they found, unfortunately, and she was in a plane and she was flying out.

[00:10:31] There was a snowstorm.

[00:10:32] Hmm.

[00:10:34] And the plane didn't make it and they found her up in a tree.

[00:10:37] Of all things in her seats, you know, from the record.

[00:10:40] But.

[00:10:42] The buzz was that.

[00:10:43] When they got together, the five of them got together.

[00:10:46] It was, you know, it was like this thing where.

[00:10:49] Magic happened, you know.

[00:10:50] And you had these movies, Ocean's Eleven.

[00:10:54] You had.

[00:10:56] Seven Hoods.

[00:10:57] You had.

[00:10:59] Sergent's Three.

[00:10:59] Seven Hoods is so underrated.

[00:11:01] Like.

[00:11:01] You know.

[00:11:01] That should be required Christmas viewing.

[00:11:04] I just bought.

[00:11:05] I just bought Robin in the Seven Hoods and I'm kind of like that.

[00:11:09] Sergent's Three I want to check out too.

[00:11:12] But.

[00:11:12] I've been trying to find that.

[00:11:14] It's so hard to find.

[00:11:16] And then there's a Western that like both Dean and Sammy are in.

[00:11:20] That got like recut and re-edited a few times.

[00:11:22] I think Dickinson's in that actually.

[00:11:24] Oh, wait, wait.

[00:11:25] No.

[00:11:25] Yeah, you're right.

[00:11:27] No, you're thinking of a real Lobo.

[00:11:30] No, no, no, no, no.

[00:11:31] No, Davis wasn't in this, but there was a Western.

[00:11:33] I can't remember what it was called though.

[00:11:36] It was for John.

[00:11:38] Oh, here I see.

[00:11:39] Western film.

[00:11:42] Okay.

[00:11:42] So I think that's Sergent's Three.

[00:11:44] Yeah.

[00:11:44] Yep.

[00:11:44] That's the one.

[00:11:45] My bad.

[00:11:46] Sergent's Three was.

[00:11:48] Go ahead.

[00:11:50] Sergent's Three was the one with.

[00:11:52] Lawford, Martin and.

[00:11:56] Sinatra.

[00:11:57] Cavalry guys.

[00:11:58] So it was probably just Sammy Davis thing.

[00:12:00] Cause there was some 76 one that they like re-edited and abandoned.

[00:12:04] Used outtakes.

[00:12:06] Yeah.

[00:12:06] Junior plays a slave.

[00:12:08] A slave in it.

[00:12:09] And then Joey Bishop plays an American Indian in it.

[00:12:12] Joey Bishop's the most.

[00:12:13] Well, I'm sorry, but Fred DeKova from F Troop was a better Indian than Joey Bishop.

[00:12:21] Balloon.

[00:12:24] But the thing I've always said about like the Rat Pack was there was this thing where

[00:12:29] when you talk about the partying and stuff like that, Dean Martin's first second wife,

[00:12:35] Jeannie told the story.

[00:12:36] They said when they would do their shows at law in Las Vegas, when that summit thing happened,

[00:12:41] right?

[00:12:41] Mm-hmm.

[00:12:43] The four guys would go upstairs and be up all hours.

[00:12:47] Dean would go to his room, make like an egg and pepper sandwich for himself, you know,

[00:12:54] some, like a, like some milk, sit down and watch a Western.

[00:12:58] Cause he didn't want to, want to stay up all night.

[00:13:01] You know, he was, he was, you know, he was, he was tired.

[00:13:06] And Frank used to call up like, Hey Sam, hey Dean, come on up here.

[00:13:09] No, Frank, I'm going to stay downstairs.

[00:13:11] I want to watch a Western.

[00:13:12] I heard, uh, I heard, um, you know, Tales of Whale Fargo was on, you know, like, you know,

[00:13:17] you know, and the, and that was the thing, you know, but the thing was, was that with that group,

[00:13:23] when you watch them in any movie they did, they're having fun.

[00:13:28] Totally.

[00:13:29] They're really.

[00:13:31] And when they decide, you know, and that there's a lot of egos, but if they have something to say,

[00:13:39] it's usually something personal that cuts too close to them.

[00:13:42] I know Sinatra preferred to call themselves the clan.

[00:13:46] Oh yeah.

[00:13:47] Yeah.

[00:13:48] I don't, I don't think that would have did well at each other name.

[00:13:51] Um, apparently that's not going to fly.

[00:13:54] Yeah.

[00:13:56] Apparently there was going to be a kidnapping scene in Robin, the seven hoods.

[00:14:00] And Sinatra said, let's cut that.

[00:14:02] Cause his own son had been kidnapped before the film.

[00:14:05] Yeah.

[00:14:06] Yeah.

[00:14:07] And there was anything personal that just reminded him of something.

[00:14:09] He was like, it's not flying.

[00:14:11] I'm not, I'm not doing that.

[00:14:16] Go ahead.

[00:14:16] I'm sorry.

[00:14:17] I was just going to say, and he, when he was doing movies, I kept reading about how

[00:14:21] he only wanted to do one take.

[00:14:23] Oh, really?

[00:14:25] Oh yeah.

[00:14:26] Yeah.

[00:14:30] Wow.

[00:14:30] Yeah.

[00:14:31] I've, I've heard stories of Sinatra being like very, like, I want to get it done now.

[00:14:36] And that's it.

[00:14:37] And then boom, you know, that would play some of those cinematography of Ocean's Eleven.

[00:14:45] Yeah.

[00:14:46] Yeah.

[00:14:46] Because it was just about in one week.

[00:14:47] It's funny, but it is a very quickly edited thing.

[00:14:51] So yeah.

[00:14:53] I, I, I always said my favorite Rat Pack movie is Robin and the Seven Hoods.

[00:15:00] I mean, I've watched Ocean's Eleven.

[00:15:02] It's just underrated.

[00:15:03] I don't know why it's so underrated.

[00:15:04] I'll be, I'll be watching that tomorrow.

[00:15:07] Yeah.

[00:15:08] Oh, it's a trip.

[00:15:09] Watch, watch Sammy Davis Jr. in one scene.

[00:15:15] It's fucking phenomenal.

[00:15:17] He does this scene.

[00:15:20] Go ahead.

[00:15:21] No, no.

[00:15:21] I'm just saying, just watch that scene, Gil.

[00:15:24] It's phenomenal.

[00:15:26] And also watch for incredible performance by, by Peter Paul too.

[00:15:31] Oh yeah.

[00:15:32] Yeah.

[00:15:33] Yeah.

[00:15:34] Yeah.

[00:15:35] Gangsters.

[00:15:35] Yep.

[00:15:35] I've seen him, I've seen him in other movies where he plays, uh, you know, gangsters

[00:15:40] and the type and it's kind of fun to watch.

[00:15:43] Okay.

[00:15:44] So that crazy obscure Western that got re-edited under different names as Christopher Lee.

[00:15:50] It's poor devil.

[00:15:52] That's the one with Sammy Davis.

[00:15:53] Oh, that's yeah.

[00:15:55] Where he plays a demon.

[00:15:57] Yeah.

[00:15:57] Christopher, Christopher Lee played Satan.

[00:15:59] And I remember, I kind of remember reading about that.

[00:16:02] I have a very memory.

[00:16:03] Adam West was in it.

[00:16:04] Yeah.

[00:16:04] It's just Jack Klugman from the odd couple.

[00:16:07] It was one of those.

[00:16:08] It's like, they reshuffled it a few times and one version had nudity.

[00:16:12] The other version was just funnier.

[00:16:14] And I, there was rumors like a third version.

[00:16:17] Yeah.

[00:16:18] It's like, it was a rejection NBC pilot and somehow.

[00:16:21] Yeah.

[00:16:21] It's just so funny how that's kind of where it begins.

[00:16:25] It's just movies that have strange and unusual like premises just keep getting reshuffled

[00:16:32] until they stop selling it.

[00:16:34] They're just like, yeah, no, it doesn't make any sense.

[00:16:40] The, why is it every time like people mentioned the Rat Pack though?

[00:16:43] Like there's this, there's, when they talk, there was this one, there's this one thing I've

[00:16:48] always said about the Rat Pack is that it was that time in the early sixties where we were

[00:16:56] coming out of, you know, Eisenhower.

[00:16:59] Kennedy was in the office.

[00:17:00] And if anybody remembers, there's a video of Sinatra introducing at a table.

[00:17:08] Right.

[00:17:09] He goes, here's a young senator that's going to do some things.

[00:17:15] I'm just kind of tired of people acting like when they try to look up stars who would fit

[00:17:21] into that category, they, you know, they didn't, you know, they, they use term, a play on of the

[00:17:26] Rat Pack or Brat Pack.

[00:17:27] And I'm like, eh, there's not many stars.

[00:17:29] Jack Pack when he, the Jack Pack when they were helping Kennedy get elected.

[00:17:34] Yep.

[00:17:36] Yeah.

[00:17:37] Yeah.

[00:17:38] Yeah.

[00:17:39] There's not many stars of today's world that I would like to slate together.

[00:17:43] I mean, obviously I could probably put the actual, you know, Ocean's 11 modern day crew

[00:17:50] together because George Clooney, Matt Damon, and Brad Pitt have done so many blockbusters

[00:17:54] together, but that's about it.

[00:17:56] Like that was a deliberate choice.

[00:17:59] And that was just a similar upbringing, just young Hollywood stars.

[00:18:02] So, but nowadays, if I were to do it with today's crowd, I couldn't tell you, I guess

[00:18:07] I could say the Marvel Pack.

[00:18:08] That would probably be it.

[00:18:10] Well, I mean, for a while it was, I can't think of it.

[00:18:17] It was Seth Rogen and he had some friends he had.

[00:18:19] Oh, that's right.

[00:18:21] He did.

[00:18:21] Oh, yeah.

[00:18:21] He did.

[00:18:22] Freaks and Geeks, for example.

[00:18:23] The frat pack.

[00:18:23] Was that what it was called?

[00:18:24] The frat pack.

[00:18:25] Yeah.

[00:18:27] It was him, James Franco, Robinson.

[00:18:30] Wait a minute.

[00:18:31] I thought the brat pack.

[00:18:32] Yeah.

[00:18:32] Yeah.

[00:18:33] The brat pack was earlier.

[00:18:35] Yeah.

[00:18:35] The brat pack was John Hughes.

[00:18:37] That's why I said frat.

[00:18:39] Oh, okay.

[00:18:40] Yeah.

[00:18:40] But yeah.

[00:18:42] Okay.

[00:18:43] Well, so yeah, I, they're also called the slacker pack, but yeah, I don't, I don't know

[00:18:48] what else.

[00:18:51] Yeah.

[00:18:52] Yeah.

[00:18:53] Yeah.

[00:18:53] You'd be hard pressed to find somebody with that, with the different talent levels.

[00:18:58] Who click on together.

[00:18:59] Cause it's just so we, we get so many more manipulative Oscar bait nowadays compared to

[00:19:05] in the sixties where it was kind of, you like it, you like it, you don't, you don't.

[00:19:11] Yeah.

[00:19:12] I think the one thing that gets me the most is how when Kennedy died, right.

[00:19:21] Saturday for everybody.

[00:19:23] Like, yeah, I legit feel like the nation died that day.

[00:19:26] They were shattered to think that, Hey, we can't look up to a great speaker.

[00:19:33] He may not have gotten a lot done, but he's still representing kind of the everyday man in

[00:19:38] a presidential form.

[00:19:39] Yeah.

[00:19:40] I, I think the thing that got me the most was that when you, when that happens, they

[00:19:46] kind of start breaking up too, because in 62, the whole, we've talked about this, the

[00:19:55] whole Peter Lawford getting JFK to stay at Sinatra's house.

[00:20:01] Hmm.

[00:20:01] Hmm.

[00:20:02] And then, yeah.

[00:20:03] And then he ends up not going.

[00:20:06] Yeah.

[00:20:08] Oh, really?

[00:20:11] Bing?

[00:20:12] Yeah.

[00:20:13] And that caused a lot of friction between Bing and, and Frank.

[00:20:18] Yes.

[00:20:19] Yes.

[00:20:19] That's why.

[00:20:20] Well, and then that's also why Peter, uh, I'm trying to think of Lawford.

[00:20:24] Peter Lawford.

[00:20:25] Yeah.

[00:20:25] He, he was the one that had to break the news to Frank and Frank.

[00:20:30] Yeah.

[00:20:32] Frank said to him over the phone, you're fucking out.

[00:20:34] He wasn't going to become.

[00:20:36] Yeah.

[00:20:36] He did.

[00:20:37] And, and, and later in life, he would say, you know, I'm the one that did everything.

[00:20:40] I got all the broads for them.

[00:20:42] I got all the booze.

[00:20:43] I got the drugs for them, you know, you know, and, and you gotta think Lawford at that point

[00:20:49] with Sinatra's pull, he starts to go downhill.

[00:20:52] Cause you gotta think, you know, after that, you know, he's doing, you know, he's making like,

[00:20:58] you know, shitty movie.

[00:21:00] Angels Revenge.

[00:21:02] Angels Revenge.

[00:21:03] He makes, he makes a movie with Sam, two movies with Sammy Davis Jr.

[00:21:08] Salt and Pepper.

[00:21:09] And let's, uh, one more time.

[00:21:12] We know the first one directed by Richard Donner, the second one directed by Jerry Lewis.

[00:21:17] And that was like, that was like, you know, okay, look, you know, you go, you know, he

[00:21:23] makes good do with, with, uh, with Jackie Gleason and, uh, Otto Preminger, you know, um,

[00:21:32] and Groucho Marx playing the role of God.

[00:21:34] Um, you know, his, his career kind of goes, you know, I don't want to say a direct nose

[00:21:39] size, but it becomes kind of like, like that, you know, he kind of just goes, okay, I'm

[00:21:44] out.

[00:21:48] What was that?

[00:21:48] The Angels Revenge was, Angels Revenge was like 78.

[00:21:52] Yeah.

[00:21:53] Or thanks something like that.

[00:21:54] And you can tell, I mean, he's slurring his lines so bad.

[00:21:57] You know, they were joking.

[00:21:58] Oh yeah.

[00:21:59] Yeah.

[00:22:00] He was, he was really into the drink at that point.

[00:22:03] And I remember seeing him on that's entertainment when he comes out and he's walking, he's talking

[00:22:07] about Judy Garland.

[00:22:08] And I'm looking at it and I'm like, Oh God, you really have gone down.

[00:22:13] Yeah.

[00:22:13] It's just, you know, and that, that was sad.

[00:22:15] You know, how much that broke him, you know?

[00:22:19] And then Joey Bishop gets his own TV show.

[00:22:24] Yep.

[00:22:25] He gets a talk show.

[00:22:27] Yeah.

[00:22:27] Yeah.

[00:22:28] He gets a talk show and he's put on ABC and then he's, he gets his own TV show.

[00:22:34] Like Ed Sullivan, he's just programming and producing.

[00:22:37] Yeah.

[00:22:38] He wasn't, he wasn't.

[00:22:39] No, he was, he was, he was just a talk show host.

[00:22:41] Okay.

[00:22:42] And then I thought he would have some musical and comedy acts though.

[00:22:45] Right.

[00:22:45] Oh, he had, he had a couple on, he had a, I remember one time he had 69.

[00:22:51] He had the monkeys on and they were treating.

[00:22:54] Yeah.

[00:22:54] That's like a big thing.

[00:22:56] Like, like, you know, if you see there on the Joey Bishop show, there's like rare audio

[00:23:00] of that going on.

[00:23:01] Sweet.

[00:23:01] And then, and then Dean's career kind of takes off with the Dean Martin, the Dean Martin

[00:23:08] show.

[00:23:09] And that's before.

[00:23:11] Yes.

[00:23:12] The Roastmaster.

[00:23:13] And then later on does those silly Matt Helms spy comedies that are a great precursor to

[00:23:19] Our Man Flint and Austin Powers.

[00:23:21] I want, I want to say that the roast came in like mid to late seventies.

[00:23:27] Definitely.

[00:23:28] Yeah.

[00:23:29] Yeah.

[00:23:29] Dean Martin, the Dean Martin show.

[00:23:32] And Don Rickles, when he hits back at Dean, you can tell Dean has taken it personally.

[00:23:39] Oh man.

[00:23:41] When you see Rickles roasting Dean on some of those events, you can kind of tell he's like,

[00:23:46] oh man, we're going to box after this.

[00:23:49] There's one, there's one.

[00:23:50] It takes a lot of time to make, make a great comedian.

[00:23:54] And you hear Dean go, and you haven't hit that yet.

[00:23:57] Oh, they are.

[00:24:01] You sometimes get TV.

[00:24:04] The Sony owned station will sometimes re-air some of those.

[00:24:07] And there's, it's so cool seeing them in higher definition.

[00:24:11] Oh yeah.

[00:24:12] Cause you could, but the thing with those roasts is sometimes they'd use the same reaction over

[00:24:16] and over again from somebody.

[00:24:17] They do.

[00:24:18] It was kind of a precursor to that Hanna-Barbera effect where just overused laugh track, but

[00:24:23] it's still legit funny.

[00:24:26] So where, where do you think both their nicknames come from?

[00:24:30] Dean's nickname is Dag and Sammy's nickname was Smokey.

[00:24:34] I thought it was just Dino.

[00:24:35] I thought it was Dino too, but I did a trivia test.

[00:24:39] Dag is Dago.

[00:24:41] Which I know because that's an Italian slur.

[00:24:43] Dago.

[00:24:44] Yep.

[00:24:45] Smokey means he's black.

[00:24:47] What does the slur, Italian slur mean?

[00:24:49] Like just you're Italian?

[00:24:51] Fucking Dago.

[00:24:52] Well, my father, goddamn Dago.

[00:24:54] It was supposed to, it's, it's some, it's like WAP meant without papers when I was, when

[00:24:58] my father told me.

[00:24:59] Dago was just something like, you know, it was like, I don't know.

[00:25:03] It was just a word that I heard.

[00:25:04] Kind of like Cracker.

[00:25:05] It doesn't really offend a white person like us, but it's still kind of a demeaning.

[00:25:09] Okay.

[00:25:10] Well, you know.

[00:25:11] But Smokey.

[00:25:11] Smokey means black.

[00:25:13] Oh, shit.

[00:25:14] Yeah.

[00:25:14] Yeah.

[00:25:15] That sucks.

[00:25:17] I know that.

[00:25:18] It's wild how they embrace that.

[00:25:19] I guess they're just so used to hecklers at their shows or.

[00:25:22] Yeah.

[00:25:23] Yeah.

[00:25:24] It was a, it was just a general attitude that nobody gave a fuck.

[00:25:29] Yeah.

[00:25:30] Man.

[00:25:33] There's, there's one, there's one, there's one joke.

[00:25:35] I love where, where Sammy Dave, I think Sammy Davis is juniors on stage with like, like Dean

[00:25:42] Martin.

[00:25:43] Dean Martin picks up Sammy and goes, I'd like to thank the NWACP for this award.

[00:25:50] And then, and then, uh, like him and him and Sammy, like start doing like, like Amos and

[00:25:57] Andy and they go, if the lone ranger, if you don't, if all the women is Texas, Texas

[00:26:01] is ugly as your mama, a lone ranger would be alone for a long time.

[00:26:09] You can't do that type of entertainment anymore where it's like, you know, you just do, you just,

[00:26:14] you just ship little subtle stuff in.

[00:26:17] But people should still watch it just to see kind of the, how you did camaraderie back

[00:26:22] then and how you did kind of this demeaning comedy back then before we woke up and said,

[00:26:27] no, that's just hurtful.

[00:26:28] That's not funny.

[00:26:29] I think the thing I love is watching Sammy imitate Lionel Barrymore.

[00:26:34] Oh man.

[00:26:36] But the thing is, I don't think, uh, I, I really don't think it was that demeaning, right?

[00:26:41] Not from, not from a modern sensibility, but at the time, um, yeah.

[00:26:48] I just didn't really, but the point is, yeah.

[00:26:51] Yeah.

[00:26:51] But the, but there's a much, there's another context involved in here.

[00:26:56] Sammy Davis Jr.

[00:26:58] was, uh, needed Frank Sinatra to get, get in Vegas.

[00:27:03] And when they, we booked him or a few other African-American ops, they were not allowed

[00:27:08] to stay in the hotel.

[00:27:09] They had to go to everyone.

[00:27:10] And when Frank found out, he said, you put them on, you put them in, in these hotels or

[00:27:17] I'm leaving.

[00:27:18] That was it.

[00:27:19] Nope.

[00:27:21] Yeah.

[00:27:22] Not to mention, they're interesting how they made compromises.

[00:27:25] Sorry, go ahead.

[00:27:26] And not to mention the fact that, um, Dean Martin especially was influenced or at least

[00:27:31] greatly admired groups like the Mill brothers.

[00:27:34] Yeah.

[00:27:35] And how bassy.

[00:27:36] And so when he, so I take that in, I take that in, I put that into the context of, oh,

[00:27:43] they're using these racial, this racial joke.

[00:27:45] But really, it turns out it was at, with just the culture time, but I think it was just

[00:27:51] their own internal code.

[00:27:54] That is a good, true, like, yeah.

[00:27:57] Because compared to all the comedy groups that we've done so far, well, most of them,

[00:28:03] it's kind of just like one or two running the show, you know, like, and then the other

[00:28:07] producers doing the joke telling and joke writing.

[00:28:09] And then kind of, kind of like Shimp or Curly or Larry, if they get off the leash, they're

[00:28:15] you know, if they stray from the wagon, they don't do so well by themselves or they get

[00:28:20] a big head.

[00:28:21] And with these guys, it is kind of interesting how they respect one another.

[00:28:25] They all want the same thing.

[00:28:27] And at the same time, they don't love each other.

[00:28:29] Hey, it's not how we do this.

[00:28:31] I found out what the plural of Dago means.

[00:28:33] What the word Dago is used as an insult, contemptuous term for a person of Italian or Spanish

[00:28:39] birth or descent.

[00:28:40] So, you know, when I hear the word Dago, I'm like, okay, whatever.

[00:28:44] You know, someone called me a Dago one time, like when I was like a little kid, I was like,

[00:28:48] I was like, okay, Dago.

[00:28:50] Are you even Italian?

[00:28:51] Dago.

[00:28:52] And the thing about it, are you even Italian though, James?

[00:28:56] Yeah, I'm half Italian.

[00:28:57] Oh, okay.

[00:28:58] Some kid in school called me.

[00:29:02] No, I can't actually with his voice.

[00:29:04] I can't.

[00:29:05] No.

[00:29:07] Some kid in school called me a Dago.

[00:29:10] Some kid in school called me a Dago one time and I go, Dago, Dago, Dago home, Dago,

[00:29:17] come and you want to go home.

[00:29:21] And here's the other aspect of this that doesn't get talked about nearly enough.

[00:29:26] Sammy Davis Jr. gave as well as he got.

[00:29:29] Oh, yeah.

[00:29:31] Oh, yeah.

[00:29:32] Some of the things that he, some of the jokes that they, Frank and Dean and Sammy would just throw back and forth.

[00:29:40] It would not fly today.

[00:29:42] But they would just, but they would rip into each other, but it's like a brotherly kind of thing.

[00:29:48] Yeah.

[00:29:48] That's what it was with them.

[00:29:50] There was a brotherhood on that stage.

[00:29:54] And you can't, you can't do that.

[00:29:56] You know, I mean, I think the closest I could see was, you know, when they would do those roasts together.

[00:30:02] And, you know.

[00:30:03] No, those are good points.

[00:30:04] Because.

[00:30:05] But.

[00:30:05] Yeah.

[00:30:06] Yeah.

[00:30:07] But the thing, the thing was, was that I think the Rat Pack.

[00:30:12] Was, wasn't, it wasn't, I don't think it would be geared towards the youth.

[00:30:16] No.

[00:30:17] Of that time.

[00:30:18] Definitely adults.

[00:30:19] Yeah.

[00:30:19] Beetle Mania came, Beetle Mania came along and that kind of like gave the youth something to look forward to.

[00:30:25] They would bring their kids along, but they were trying to just say, shut up, kid.

[00:30:28] Just don't.

[00:30:29] Yeah.

[00:30:30] Watch, watch, watch the men on stage do their shit.

[00:30:33] Yeah.

[00:30:34] Don't repeat it.

[00:30:36] I can remember going to Vegas in 76 and I was like nine years old.

[00:30:41] And I, and that's when like the Sands was still standing and the Flamingo, I think, was still standing.

[00:30:47] Yeah.

[00:30:47] Disclaimer for those not following.

[00:30:48] I just remember back, back then it was not a very kid friendly place.

[00:30:55] You know, I can remember trying to get something to drink and it was all, best I got was like a glass of warm milk or something at a restaurant.

[00:31:02] Oh.

[00:31:03] Because, you know, or, or even the pop was like warm and flat.

[00:31:07] I remember that.

[00:31:08] Yeah.

[00:31:08] Because it was not, it was meant for gamblers.

[00:31:12] Yep.

[00:31:12] But, and, and it was meant, and I remember my, my, my, my grandmother went, God, I think 84, 83.

[00:31:21] And she said, she, she, she, she said, you know, I was, she, her, my aunt went to Vegas.

[00:31:26] And like, there's pictures of my grandmother, like, like circus, circus.

[00:31:30] And like, you know, the Sands, I think the Flamingo, I think the, what was the one with the giant Western guy?

[00:31:38] Oh.

[00:31:41] That street's all paved over.

[00:31:42] That's the street that's paved over now with that Western guy, right?

[00:31:46] Yeah.

[00:31:47] Yeah.

[00:31:48] I think.

[00:31:49] I'm roof over it now.

[00:31:50] I think the thing that gets me the most is like back then Vegas was the place you went to, to gamble.

[00:31:58] And if you lost, you were fucked.

[00:32:00] Yeah.

[00:32:01] You would have loan sharks telling you.

[00:32:03] Yeah.

[00:32:04] You wouldn't have loan sharks.

[00:32:07] You'd walk out of there and you'd be like, I lost my life savings, you know?

[00:32:10] But the thing was, was that Vegas was that hub where they all were.

[00:32:18] Yes.

[00:32:19] You know?

[00:32:19] Yeah.

[00:32:19] And the thing was back then you could see Frank, you could see Sammy, you could see Dean.

[00:32:24] I think you could see Joey Bishop because I think he was parking cars in the parking lot at that point.

[00:32:31] Damn.

[00:32:32] The thing I always said about Joey Bishop was he's, when he died, Joey Bishop, comedian, member of the Rat Pack.

[00:32:38] And I was like, that's it?

[00:32:40] You know?

[00:32:41] That's all we got to say, Smalls.

[00:32:43] You know?

[00:32:44] He was, he was one of the ones, like, we were talking about how, you know, back in the day,

[00:32:48] Dean Martin didn't drink.

[00:32:51] Well, he didn't do any drinking either, as far as I understand.

[00:32:54] No.

[00:32:54] Really?

[00:32:54] He was very street-laced.

[00:32:56] She is.

[00:32:58] The thing with Joey Bishop was, he was very, and I've tried to figure this out.

[00:33:04] And if you listen to the Gilbert Godfrey podcast, he was very bitter.

[00:33:07] Which everyone should.

[00:33:09] He was very bitter about what happened with him.

[00:33:13] Because you got to think, you know, in the 1960s, he was, he was part, you know, he was, you know, he's part of that group.

[00:33:21] I mean, there's an episode of him and laughing with him and Sammy Davis Jr.

[00:33:26] Where he's in the joke wall and he says, you know, he starts doing these, the punchlines to these jokes.

[00:33:35] And you're laughing hysterically because of the way he says them, you know?

[00:33:39] But.

[00:33:40] He had a very deadpan approach to.

[00:33:42] Deadpan thing.

[00:33:43] And I think the sad thing was, was when they tried to do the Rat Pack back in the 80s.

[00:33:54] Yeah.

[00:33:55] Where it was.

[00:33:56] If anybody remembers this.

[00:33:58] Yeah.

[00:33:59] It was a reunion kind of thing.

[00:34:01] And yeah.

[00:34:01] It was Dean, Sammy and Frank.

[00:34:06] They came out and it was, it was good, but you could tell Dean was starting to really like.

[00:34:13] We'll lose.

[00:34:14] He says at one point, he says, what the hell are we doing here, Frank?

[00:34:18] You know, cause he was like, why are we doing this again?

[00:34:21] And Frank wanted to carry on.

[00:34:23] Like it was the old days again, you know, go up, go up, let's have a party and stuff like that.

[00:34:28] Sammy was starting to get sick.

[00:34:30] I think by that time, I don't remember.

[00:34:35] Dean and Frank had a fight.

[00:34:38] Oh, really?

[00:34:40] Yeah.

[00:34:40] Dean took a, Frank took a plate of spaghetti.

[00:34:43] And dumped it on Dean's head.

[00:34:46] Oh, fuck.

[00:34:47] And, and, and Dean was like, okay, that's it.

[00:34:49] I'm fucking done.

[00:34:50] You know, and he just lost his son.

[00:34:53] So I think Sinatra kind of saw his way.

[00:34:55] Okay.

[00:34:55] Get out on tour and do.

[00:34:56] And Dean was like, look, I just lost my son.

[00:34:59] You know, no, get out on tour.

[00:35:01] Let's do it again.

[00:35:02] Let's do it again, baby.

[00:35:03] Let's, you know, let's, you know, let's, let's, let's get, let's, let's live it up like the old days.

[00:35:09] These were men in their sixties, late sixties, early seventies who were, you know, they were, they were not spring chickens anymore.

[00:35:18] You know, they, you know, I know Sammy had a great career after, you know, after the Rat Pack kind of broke up.

[00:35:26] Dean had a great career.

[00:35:28] You know, he was, Frank was still Frank.

[00:35:31] Right.

[00:35:32] You know, my, my parents actually saw Frank Sinatra live.

[00:35:36] I think in 77, 78, my dad got tickets to go see Sinatra at Madison square garden.

[00:35:43] And of course he, he says something.

[00:35:45] He says, uh, I got to say this about president Carter's mother.

[00:35:49] It looks like somebody hit her in the face with a lemon meringue pie and forgot to wipe it off.

[00:35:55] And the crowd went like, Ooh.

[00:35:59] Ooh.

[00:35:59] Ooh.

[00:36:00] Ooh.

[00:36:01] Yeah.

[00:36:02] Uh, yeah.

[00:36:04] Of course.

[00:36:04] We would be, we'd be remiss if we didn't mention the times that the members of the Rat Pack got together in a more contemporary sense.

[00:36:12] Um, Dean and Sammy were at the Cannonball Run.

[00:36:16] Yep.

[00:36:17] And all three were in Cannonball Run 2.

[00:36:20] Yep.

[00:36:21] All three of them were in Cannonball Run 2.

[00:36:23] It's so wild how they just rounded up a who's who.

[00:36:26] Yeah.

[00:36:27] Here's something interesting about Cannonball Run 2.

[00:36:29] You know, the, if you guys have ever seen, you know, the guys that are playing the mob assassins.

[00:36:34] Ah.

[00:36:35] Henry Silva was in.

[00:36:36] Oh, it is.

[00:36:37] Henry Silva was in Ocean's 11.

[00:36:39] Okay.

[00:36:39] Henry Silva was in Ocean's 11.

[00:36:41] He was, yeah.

[00:36:42] And the mentoring candidate with Sinatra.

[00:36:44] Michael P.

[00:36:45] Michael V.

[00:36:46] Gasso was Frank Pantangeli in, uh, Godfather 2.

[00:36:52] What is the mafia thing?

[00:36:53] Then you got Alex Rocco and Abe Vigoda who were in the first Godfather movie.

[00:36:58] Right.

[00:36:58] I still crack up about that.

[00:37:01] Uh, Silva's even in the Ocean's 11 remake as like the host of the boxing match or something.

[00:37:06] Yeah.

[00:37:06] Yeah.

[00:37:07] He does.

[00:37:07] He does a quick cameo.

[00:37:09] Him and.

[00:37:10] It's either Dickinson.

[00:37:11] It is Dickinson.

[00:37:12] Okay.

[00:37:12] Perfect.

[00:37:13] Um, what did you guys think of the HBO biopic movie on the guys?

[00:37:17] I remember seeing it, but kind of being disappointed, but the performance is like pretty good.

[00:37:22] Like Mantegna, Joe Mantegna was Dean Martin.

[00:37:24] He got nominated for a Golden Globe.

[00:37:26] Don Cheadle won as Sammy Davis and Ray Liotta was Sinatra in that.

[00:37:31] And he got a SAG award nom.

[00:37:33] I think.

[00:37:35] I felt like they didn't really get too detailed with it, but go ahead.

[00:37:43] I always saw.

[00:37:46] So we love doing this.

[00:37:48] One of the time.

[00:37:50] Go, go, you go first.

[00:37:51] No, it's all right.

[00:37:52] I just said what I was going to say.

[00:37:54] So it's all right.

[00:37:56] No, say it again, because I didn't hear you.

[00:37:57] I'm sorry.

[00:37:58] I only ever saw the clips.

[00:38:00] Oh, okay.

[00:38:01] Yeah.

[00:38:02] It's.

[00:38:04] My dad, who was a big Sinatra, you know, Dean Martin fan.

[00:38:10] And my mother who loved Sammy Davis Jr.

[00:38:15] They watched it and they said, you know, kind of a shame because it's an HBO movie.

[00:38:22] It doesn't work.

[00:38:23] You know?

[00:38:24] Yeah.

[00:38:26] I would have a hard time seeing Joe Mantegna as Dean Martin.

[00:38:29] Really?

[00:38:30] Yeah.

[00:38:30] Yeah.

[00:38:31] I thought he gave it his best shot, but the makeup on him was kind of lame.

[00:38:35] Yeah.

[00:38:36] Yeah.

[00:38:37] Well, he definitely.

[00:38:38] He could probably.

[00:38:39] He could probably act like Dean Martin, but he didn't look close enough to Dean Martin to

[00:38:43] really sell it for me from what I saw.

[00:38:46] Yeah.

[00:38:47] If anything, I would have.

[00:38:48] I would have cast Ray Liotta as Dean Martin.

[00:38:51] Yeah.

[00:38:52] I kind of do a.

[00:38:53] That's true.

[00:38:54] You could do a trade off because Joe probably is closer to.

[00:38:58] Maybe Sinatra.

[00:39:00] Impression or even Bishop.

[00:39:01] Yeah.

[00:39:01] Just one of the other guys because his voice is kind of like Dean, but like you say, he

[00:39:06] just doesn't really resemble him at all.

[00:39:08] So it's like, it's, it's a weird toss up, but I'm glad Cheeto got him on the map post

[00:39:15] Boogie Nights.

[00:39:17] I got, I got to say this, like, I, I kind of have this thing about how the Rat Pack represented

[00:39:24] that whole early sixties, like machine, like hip, you know, hip, hipness about them.

[00:39:36] You know, like we, we kind of look at it now as, you know, it's dated, but you got to

[00:39:42] realize back like sometime in the nineties, like that whole Rat Pack style kind of came

[00:39:47] back into play again.

[00:39:50] With, with movies like, you know, rounders, not rounders.

[00:39:54] What was the one with.

[00:39:55] I love that one.

[00:39:57] No, no, not rounders.

[00:39:58] It was the one with.

[00:40:04] Well, yes.

[00:40:05] Yes.

[00:40:05] Swingers.

[00:40:06] Yes.

[00:40:06] Swingers.

[00:40:07] Okay.

[00:40:07] Swingers kind of brought that back.

[00:40:09] The whole kind of new noir look at old school mentality in a modern day world kind of.

[00:40:14] Well, the way it was kind of presented to, you know, Hey, you know, let's, let's, you

[00:40:19] know, let's, let's, let's live and let, you know, let's live it up kind of thing, you

[00:40:23] know?

[00:40:24] And I kind of look and I'm like, Oh, okay.

[00:40:26] You know, I just, I just kind of look and I'm like, you know, I like it, but I don't,

[00:40:33] but I'm not into it.

[00:40:34] Like some people are.

[00:40:35] That is a true point.

[00:40:37] And I think it's just how fast they film all this stuff.

[00:40:39] Half the time you feel like you're watching a video game as opposed to an actual movie.

[00:40:45] And the thing that got me.

[00:40:48] Camcorder kind of look just kind of grates on me after a while.

[00:40:51] I'm like, okay, is this a docu mockumentary?

[00:40:54] What, what, what is this?

[00:40:56] If anybody remembers, I think the thing that got me the most was 70, 1976, you know, Sinatra

[00:41:03] goes on the, um, Jerry Lewis telethon and says, I got a friend of mine.

[00:41:10] He's been watching you for a long time.

[00:41:11] He likes what you do.

[00:41:12] And he brings Sammy.

[00:41:14] He brings a Dean Martin from the back, you know, and Martin and Lewis are reunited.

[00:41:21] If you ever seen it, it's a good, it's a good thing.

[00:41:24] And I think they were going to try to, I always heard the story, like, you know, that they

[00:41:28] hated each other, Martin and Lewis.

[00:41:30] Oh, wow.

[00:41:31] I think, I think they were just kind of like, look, let's just call it a day and we'll

[00:41:35] walk, you know, walk away from it.

[00:41:37] I think Dean said you to me, you're nothing but a fucking dollar sign kid.

[00:41:41] Just out of just, no, just out of like being, you know, just sound like being tired.

[00:41:47] Yeah.

[00:41:48] Yeah.

[00:41:48] And there's stories about, you know, him and Dean's like, if Dean couldn't do a show,

[00:41:54] Jerry Lewis would step in.

[00:41:58] Oh yeah.

[00:41:58] Yeah.

[00:41:59] There's, you know, Dean was opening up one night and Jerry was in the crowd and Jerry

[00:42:03] got on stage and they did like 45 minutes together.

[00:42:06] You know, there's that thing.

[00:42:08] But I think the thing that gets me the most is we were watching when we were growing up

[00:42:13] and, you know, Sinatra.

[00:42:15] The specials came on every other channel.

[00:42:17] They were safe to air, but at the same time, they were still aired at a later time before

[00:42:21] the whole parental discretion advised.

[00:42:23] But you have to realize too, when we were watching stuff, when we were watching Sinatra

[00:42:28] and we were watching Martin, Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis, Jerry, Sammy Davis Jr.

[00:42:33] And, you know, that whole, that's a bygone era for us.

[00:42:37] It was like watching, we're just watching old guys sing.

[00:42:39] But now that we get older and we see what the history was behind, you know, how that all

[00:42:44] happened.

[00:42:45] And, you know, you read about how-

[00:42:47] It's definitely an art.

[00:42:48] Yeah.

[00:42:49] It was an art and it was something that-

[00:42:51] But you don't even see singers mix comedy much anymore.

[00:42:57] No.

[00:42:57] Like if you do, it's just an iTunes exclusive as opposed to I'm going to, you know, perform

[00:43:03] stand-up and then I'm going to burst into song for the last 20 minutes as part of my routine.

[00:43:09] Jerry Lewis used to do that.

[00:43:12] He used to do 30 minutes of comedy.

[00:43:14] Then he'd start doing rock-a-bye, oh baby, with a Dixie melody, you know.

[00:43:22] The original Nutty Professor, all.

[00:43:24] Oh, I can remember, I was telling somebody about this.

[00:43:27] I said, you know what gets me the most about people like Taylor Swift and, you know, all

[00:43:32] these singers that are out now is that they're looked upon as, you know, talented.

[00:43:39] But I'm saying they're not talented.

[00:43:41] They're not.

[00:43:42] They don't have that all-around talent that, you know, guys like Sinatra, guys like Dean

[00:43:50] Martin, guys like, you know, Sammy Davis Jr. had where they could jump.

[00:43:55] They were the guys.

[00:43:56] They were the guys that grew up in the clubs, you know, singing in the clubs and, you know,

[00:44:02] live audience all the time.

[00:44:05] And it was, and even cheap dives probably in their earlier careers and stuff.

[00:44:09] Oh, yeah.

[00:44:10] That is true.

[00:44:11] Yeah.

[00:44:11] Now, I'm going to throw out something that has occurred to me too.

[00:44:16] When you take a look at the time frame that Rat Pack came up, it was during a very time,

[00:44:21] a very conservative time in America.

[00:44:25] It's very, very repressed.

[00:44:28] And to me, the Rat Pack was the counterculture as perceived by straight America.

[00:44:39] Yeah.

[00:44:40] Yeah.

[00:44:41] I mean, I think the kind of lives they led were actually appealing to straight America.

[00:44:47] Yeah, but that's where the counterculture is.

[00:44:49] That's kind of where it gets dangerous.

[00:44:51] They're having a risky lifestyle, but because they're so cool, they just look invincible.

[00:44:57] Yeah.

[00:44:58] We got people going to work, doing nine to five at the office, smoking pipes.

[00:45:02] And then you see people like Dean and Frank and Sammy doing stuff.

[00:45:08] And it's like, I would love to be that.

[00:45:10] I would love to be doing that.

[00:45:11] So that's where the counterculture aspect of it comes in.

[00:45:15] The Rat Pack were the ultimate arbiters of freedom in that particular time frame.

[00:45:23] I love this.

[00:45:24] In that particular context.

[00:45:24] We've talked about censorship before.

[00:45:26] That's so true, Tom.

[00:45:27] It is kind of a predecessor to the whole free to do what I want.

[00:45:32] I don't know.

[00:45:33] Definitely, if these guys had any statement from their agent, it was probably always ended with a duly noted.

[00:45:41] You kind of think about it.

[00:45:42] Mad Men was kind of like a love letter to that era in the Rat Pack.

[00:45:46] It kind of does sum up a lot of the 50s.

[00:45:49] That was my father's era right there.

[00:45:50] Yeah.

[00:45:51] He worked at Sears in the Uris building.

[00:45:55] He worked at Sears in New York.

[00:45:57] He said, and I looked at, I looked at, relax.

[00:46:10] You know.

[00:46:11] Yeah, you drug up there a little bit.

[00:46:12] Yeah, you want to.

[00:46:13] You got to realize the whole thing too was being, also being fueled by the sexual revolution.

[00:46:20] Playboy had just started to come into play.

[00:46:23] You know, Marilyn Monroe and, you know, the whole freedomness of it all was now becoming, you know, here we were in Eisenhower's America.

[00:46:34] You know.

[00:46:34] Yeah.

[00:46:35] Eight years of Eisenhower.

[00:46:37] Eisenhower.

[00:46:38] You know, where, you know, it was, you know, everybody knows, you know, communism and all that.

[00:46:44] And then all of a sudden, bang, Kennedy comes along and this big giant snowball that's fueled out of the 50s kind of just boom bursts its way through.

[00:46:54] And that's what made it so fun to watch the Rat Pack.

[00:46:57] They were the guys we wanted to be.

[00:47:00] Like when we watch, like when we, like in the 70s, you know, we would watch somebody like Joe Namath or something like that.

[00:47:08] Or, you know, somebody who was really cool.

[00:47:10] We'd be like, hey, man, we want to be like him.

[00:47:12] And we don't want to have a mundane life.

[00:47:15] We want to have what they have.

[00:47:16] Well, a lot of people realize, you know, they had a life that was kind of really shitty.

[00:47:21] You know, I mean, look at Sammy Davis Jr.

[00:47:25] He lost an eye in a car accident.

[00:47:27] You know, he married a white woman, Maya Britt, which was something unheard of.

[00:47:32] And they told, Columbia told Maya Britt, you better divorce him or else.

[00:47:37] Right.

[00:47:37] And the marriage didn't last too long from what I remember.

[00:47:42] I think Frank Sinatra was actually at their wedding, wasn't he?

[00:47:46] Yes, he was.

[00:47:48] He was.

[00:47:49] But of course, his crowning achievement was earning the first and only Disco Lifestyle Award.

[00:47:57] What?

[00:47:59] There was a one-shot award show called the Disco Lifestyle Awards.

[00:48:07] And they gave him the lifetime achievement of the Disco Lifestyle Awards.

[00:48:14] Oh, my word.

[00:48:15] I haven't even heard of that.

[00:48:16] Well, what year was it?

[00:48:18] I remember it.

[00:48:20] Oh, my God.

[00:48:21] What year was it hosted?

[00:48:22] Like, 78?

[00:48:24] I'm thinking 78.

[00:48:27] I'm just lucky I was guessing.

[00:48:28] Okay, perfect.

[00:48:30] Well, I think the thing I'm always going to say is I remember seeing that picture of Sammy

[00:48:34] Davis Jr. kissing Richard Nixon when he was at the White House one time.

[00:48:38] And everybody thought Sammy was like this, like, you know, hey, man, let's, you know.

[00:48:46] And they see him and they're like, he's kissing Nixon.

[00:48:49] What the fuck is going on here?

[00:48:53] And I had a book about Sinatra.

[00:48:56] And Sinatra basically, like, said one time in an interview about when Martin Luther King

[00:49:03] died.

[00:49:04] He said, if we don't stop this nigger thing, it's going to blow out of control.

[00:49:10] And I'm, like, sitting there and I'm like, yeah, a really good thing to say out loud there,

[00:49:16] Frank.

[00:49:17] You know?

[00:49:18] Oh, I mean, Jesus.

[00:49:20] I mean, you work with one.

[00:49:23] So what the fuck, Frank?

[00:49:24] Like, you know, but I think it's me is they like Sinatra at one point got to be a parody

[00:49:31] of himself because you remember Sinatra wearing a Nehru suit.

[00:49:35] Does anybody remember that?

[00:49:36] He did a cover of Mrs. Robinson.

[00:49:39] I mean, you know, he got my father was never a fan of him growing up.

[00:49:43] So he didn't really like it when we would bring a movie home that stardom.

[00:49:46] But even he gave props to him when he was in the Manchurian Candidate saying, hey, sometimes

[00:49:51] the magic works.

[00:49:53] Yeah, I think the best.

[00:49:54] I don't think he's much of an actor other than a comedian and a great singer.

[00:49:57] Oh, my favorite movies are Lady in Cement and Tony Rome.

[00:50:02] Because those to me are like, you know, those are primes.

[00:50:05] Yeah, I'm just quoting a relative.

[00:50:07] I never had an issue with him.

[00:50:09] I think he had good charisma.

[00:50:10] Obviously, when he's was a cancer that he started having.

[00:50:16] Who?

[00:50:18] Sinatra.

[00:50:19] Sinatra started to have memory problems.

[00:50:22] OK, because because is it Cannonball Run 2 where it's like there's a non convincing stand

[00:50:28] in of them?

[00:50:29] Yeah.

[00:50:30] Yeah.

[00:50:30] There's one part you see him because he he was just like, I'm just going to do the two

[00:50:35] scenes you want me to do.

[00:50:36] And that's it.

[00:50:37] Yeah.

[00:50:38] You know, but I can remember Tom Dreeson.

[00:50:43] I was watching a thing with Tom Dreesen.

[00:50:44] Basically, he was sitting there in a song.

[00:50:46] He forgot the words and he stopped.

[00:50:49] You know, this is 94.

[00:50:50] And he's he was ready to quit at that point.

[00:50:53] and this lone guy in the back goes come on frank you can do it and he's he just he took a bow

[00:51:00] take a breath he's like all right start it up again and he started and he just hit the song

[00:51:05] like that so that's the thing with sinatra it was kind of sad seeing like you know sinatra

[00:51:10] deteriorate when he was on stage you know lawford unfortunately deteriorating due to drinking

[00:51:16] problems you know dean martin had emphysema and he was really bad towards the end yeah and sammy

[00:51:24] davis jr had throat cancer which he died of and i think i think it was just a heart problem

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[00:52:47] everyone with this crowd of cool cats check them out the thing i always said is when you saw them

[00:52:58] like you know become almost like a parody in the 70s and themselves not dean dean kind of was like

[00:53:03] you know he stayed he kind of stayed away from that you know but you know when you started seeing

[00:53:09] you know sammy davis jr doing like you know alka-seltzer commercials and you know

[00:53:17] and you know sinatra you know sinatra sinatra doing um you know la is my lady that one album that

[00:53:28] he did where it was like you know yeah he did like la is my lady lady she's good to me i'm like

[00:53:34] come on frank you know and then dean dean you know dean kind of show dean showing up in a joe pesci

[00:53:43] uh tv show as mr martin yeah it was yeah um you know i mean that's what got me you know when they

[00:53:52] started to get a little bit more silly and you know you know i always remember uh hearing about

[00:53:59] my dad telling a story about how a friend of his when they were talking on the phone one time

[00:54:03] and i said oh was it that bad oh jesus really yeah yeah i'm like i'm like no no my father's gone

[00:54:12] he's gone he comes into my mother's room he's like you know so and so went to go see sinatra

[00:54:17] at uh you know the count basey theater and my mom goes oh really what happened he says

[00:54:22] he had fucking monitors on the stage

[00:54:27] sinatra never sang with monitors this is like the last three years before he passed away

[00:54:32] you know and sinatra was on stage and he would you know he'd have the monitors on and you know he

[00:54:38] you know frank jr was the head of the orchestra and you know it was kind of sad really you know

[00:54:44] you know it's kind of sad seeing the last guy standing you know besides joey bishop but the guy who was the

[00:54:52] guy who started it all become this you know sad character you know a shadow of his former self

[00:54:59] you know and not by choice it's not like he's doing bad movies or anything that he doesn't want

[00:55:04] to do it's more the health problems are really the health was starting to go with him i can't

[00:55:09] remember i can remember them doing something for him with a tribute for him on his 80th birthday and

[00:55:16] my mother was like standing there going he's off to the side and he's not saying anything

[00:55:21] what the fuck is the problem here you know rickles got on stage and was doing all this shtick

[00:55:26] and like it cuts to sinatra's sinatra's laughing there's his wife barbara going ha ha ha ha boom

[00:55:32] you know but yikes you know it was just it was just sad at the end you know you think about these

[00:55:40] guys they were so hip they were so good guys all did a wonderful job of bail strain earlier because

[00:55:46] they had this playground to play in they were very the jolliness was infectious you know and so

[00:55:53] when that's gone you feel it too and again not by choice it's better than again like these other

[00:56:00] groups where again you know we've had groucho abused by you know family members we've had so

[00:56:07] many others yeah groucho was abused by erin fleming right and and we've had all these other things that

[00:56:14] have just been very troubling and in this case it's just like again what once again health standards

[00:56:21] were not what they were are now where we could stop some of this before it really takes effect but

[00:56:26] man when it happens it's very rough to look at like you say because you can tell they're just

[00:56:32] it's a shit show they're not having fun i always said about when dean martin died that was a lonely

[00:56:42] painful death that he had because at the end he was not he kind of became a recluse

[00:56:48] yeah yeah so not the public guy yeah yeah he would go to hamburger hamlet and get food or

[00:56:55] you know he'd have his two glasses of bourbon and order something there and then he'd go home or you

[00:57:01] know his wife his daughter his first wife genie who his second wife genie who he divorced would come

[00:57:06] over and take care of him you know his daughter would come over take care of him dina would take

[00:57:10] care of him that's good his sons but you know we'll take care of him you know he made peace with jerry

[00:57:14] lewis i know that they got together one more time and i did hear about that i didn't do you know the

[00:57:19] actual like timeline like uh it was 90 it was 89 or 90 it was dean's it was one of the dean was

[00:57:28] playing somewhere jerry lewis came out of a new era okay yeah well it was kind of like jerry was saying

[00:57:33] you know hey i know you're not doing well and then what happened was was that um when gene when don

[00:57:40] paul when dean paul died his son died jerry lewis went to the funeral but he stood in the

[00:57:48] in the back of the church and when they had the burial at the casket um dean jerry kind of like

[00:57:59] was off to the side so because they didn't you know how the inquirer was you know jerry lewis seen

[00:58:05] at dean martin's funeral there'd be all these like freaking pictures and stuff um when i saw jerry

[00:58:10] lewis on inside the actor studio that episode would have been in 99 i do recall him just reflecting a lot

[00:58:16] almost he almost gave me the sense that dean was kind of his unintentional mentor in a way

[00:58:21] yeah toughened him up dean cuffing them up and i think the thing was the truth was especially when

[00:58:29] you're joking they kind of had the i've had this with some of my grandfather's family friends and you

[00:58:35] know a lot of them are all you know ex you know bomber pilots from world war ii in korea so

[00:58:40] half the time they're joking but they're not really joking they're insulting comic comics mixed in with

[00:58:47] honesty and you're like yeah come on you literally just told me to go fuck myself and then laughed it

[00:58:52] off it's not but i think the thing that gets me the most is when sinatra died that was just a steady

[00:59:01] decline and you know when he when dean martin died i felt sad you know i felt sad i felt sad and sammy

[00:59:10] died too but yeah sinatra is not grumpy i remember my father made a joke when sinatra died he said

[00:59:20] it's gonna the town of hoboken is gonna shut down when sinatra dies because that's where sinatra was

[00:59:26] born yeah yeah and you know i heard like i heard like vegas shut down i think a little bit or did

[00:59:33] something when i would imagine they're horrified like hey our number one venue you know guy there was a

[00:59:40] there was a place that i went to when my father and my mother when we go visit my father's cousin frankie

[00:59:46] in hoboken it was a little italian place called anthony's right it's maybe a block away from where

[00:59:52] they live this is before hoboken became you know hipster central right it was still you know

[01:00:01] you know still you know italian it was heavily italian you know and uh you walk in the you walk in the

[01:00:09] restaurant and it was like you know three-fourths of the wall where you know you know sinatra you know

[01:00:15] all this and like one quarter was dean martin you know but it was all sinatra they would play sinatra

[01:00:21] do you guys have a wax museum in your respective states no we don't it's a chain and i do vaguely recall

[01:00:30] there was a rat pack one once upon a time all made out of wax just sorry good there was there was the

[01:00:38] hollywoodland wax museum that i went to and they did have a rat pack thing i think they okay sweet

[01:00:42] you know the closest thing the closest thing we have in iowa is butter sculptures at the iowa state

[01:00:49] fair yeah oh yeah that's fair enough right now um i do want to recommend one book if you want to get

[01:00:58] a better insight into sinatra and the rat pack yeah let's do it let's skip these books it's a book

[01:01:05] called the way you wear your hat the way you wear your hat okay it focused mainly on sinatra but

[01:01:14] it did have moments with the last art of living was that the one written by by sinatra's valet uh bill

[01:01:22] zimmy and he was the valet for for for sinatra let's see bill zimmy sinatra valet

[01:01:34] yes no he's the one that told no no oh hold up okay so 2003 sinatra is remembered by his valet

[01:01:41] it was george jacobs yeah uh so his book was mr s my life with frank yeah mr s okay so those are two

[01:01:51] good fine gents the mr s one the shit i heard about the kennedys especially the old man

[01:01:59] christ the the father joe kennedy yeah was an outright bastard i bet oh there's i can't say what

[01:02:10] i was going to say what i heard but he told a joke one time about something and i just went my my jaw

[01:02:18] dropped to the floor when he said this you know yeah it's like mr s one time you know we were at a

[01:02:24] party and joe's job joe joe kennedy was in joe kennedy told this joke and i don't want to repeat it

[01:02:29] well maybe i should i don't know you know no no but it's very well it's very very anti-semitic

[01:02:35] and i was like holy fuck you know guys yeah and before we go there is another aspect of this

[01:02:46] um the rat pot has has a hold on the cultural zeitgeist not just at that time period but

[01:02:56] you look you look forward like you mentioned earlier with mad men with with ones like rounders

[01:03:03] and swingers and that kind of mentality is still out there it's just not necessarily it's not as

[01:03:11] up front in your face yeah as it was second nature back in the 60s yeah yeah and i think some of that's

[01:03:18] some of it's the political correctness today other times i think it's just the feds have cracked down on

[01:03:23] shady stuff that a lot of us were hanging around but didn't realize was gonna cripple us yeah but the

[01:03:30] thing what the thing that is is that a testament to just how much of an impact frank dean sammy and

[01:03:38] the rest of the rat pack and the auxiliary members too totally to an impact they had on society and

[01:03:44] still do have on society compared to earlier generations like beatniks you know yeah um

[01:03:52] yeah these guys made yeah these guys made an impact and it's still being felt today and like you said

[01:04:01] you would compare today's artists to just even just even frank alone

[01:04:10] frank could do those things that most performers today can't do because because of his attitude his

[01:04:20] coolness his his mindset about not yelling a fuck about what anybody else is doing what you want

[01:04:28] right i i think and i think the thing too is when you watch when you hear those records that he did

[01:04:34] you know the wee small hours and you know all this stuff he did with nelson riddle and whatnot

[01:04:39] you know it's that coolness that comes over you know dean martin the same way

[01:04:44] cool collected hey baby let's swing a little bit you know i can remember watching i can remember

[01:04:51] watching jerry lewis on saran out live and somebody joe piscopo came in dressed as um dean martin

[01:05:02] and you know jerry takes a swing oh i know it was in there now we're gonna open you up there jerry

[01:05:08] we're gonna take that hard out we're gonna do a bypass i'm gonna pass down over the hard dog and

[01:05:13] eddie murphy came in and did a spot on sammy davis jr and he goes if this cat and that cat can get

[01:05:22] together man we're gonna have a good time and i remember just like i i that that's that i always

[01:05:28] said i love dean better than i like frank i don't know why i know it's sacrilege in my family because i

[01:05:34] was like you know when you're when you're half italian it might be the heritage thing i think

[01:05:39] they felt validated by frank's while dean was kind of more just again just more relatable to most

[01:05:46] crowds i guess and he was he was more up front about about his italian heritage would you say

[01:05:54] sinatra was definitely a millionaire would you say the others were kind of more middle class

[01:05:59] or no no no no they got money no but if you look at his dean's catalog of music a lot of them were

[01:06:12] homages and and love letters to italy in the in the italian life and that i think had more of an

[01:06:19] impact um and even sinatra had had some italian or at least had something in him that that was

[01:06:26] relatable but dean was much more upfront about it yeah he's a little more honest yeah dean's real

[01:06:33] name was dino procciari okay and he came from steubenville ohio and you know he was he didn't

[01:06:41] learn to speak italian english to he was about maybe five or six years old his parents spoke italian

[01:06:47] you know he had i think a younger brother who you know spoke italian and the thing was was that

[01:06:52] you know um you know you know steubenville ohio you know it's a tough town you know but um

[01:07:00] the thing that gets me is you know dean had that way of you know you hear that's amore or you hear

[01:07:07] you know memories are made of this and when you were talking about the mills brothers

[01:07:12] everybody thought back then that his local style was based on bing crosby or perry como

[01:07:19] he had the mills brothers on one time on a show he turned to great garrison and said you know who my

[01:07:26] you know who my my inspiration is right over there and it was he pointed to harry mills

[01:07:31] that's who it was harry mills was his big inspiration sweet you know so he he was

[01:07:40] go ahead of the mills he was the mills brothers if you ever heard the mills brothers up the lazy river

[01:07:47] you know great song you got to hear the ink spots too man you know i don't want to set the world

[01:07:54] on fire you know um oh i grew up i grew up with that stuff you know it's just lovely songs i'm laughing

[01:08:02] at the impression but yeah no it really is just joyful stuff by the way what do you think in 75

[01:08:09] it's always debated what did dean martin say that caused bob hope and ed um mckean not mckean um

[01:08:18] mcmahon to walk off on the show yeah ed mcmahon yeah on johnny carson because he got censored

[01:08:27] by saying something off color he was very rowdy dean oh i forgot what it was it's often a big source

[01:08:33] of debate but some people had some speculation and i'm not going to go through it right now because

[01:08:38] i love i love the one i love guessing i'm like i know what he said i i think the one i love was uh

[01:08:47] was watching george gobel dean martin bob hope and i think it was ed mcmahon and gobel's got a cup

[01:08:59] and you know they're all you know they're pretty much you know in into the sheets a little bit and

[01:09:06] dean martin has a cigarette he's drinking he's flicking his ash and gobel's cup and gobel's

[01:09:10] talking and gobel's taking the cup and drinking out of it you know completely like he says he says

[01:09:17] you know you know i was you know gobel's like you know i was a pilot in world war ii i was one of

[01:09:24] those guys who'd look up in the sky and uh you know see see if there were any places i want you to

[01:09:30] know no japanese plan got out got past tulsa oklahoma when i was there oh my god so then

[01:09:37] so then he's so everybody's laughing at what is this you ever get the feeling the whole world's a

[01:09:41] tuxedo and you're a pair of brown shoes yes and you know carson's just like falling off the chair

[01:09:49] laughing all i remember is like watching this watching this little bit i gotta find what you

[01:09:55] just said about what he said that was so off color did they just get up and walk off they were mad

[01:10:02] losing his shit but apparently was gone by next commercial break while bob is not having any of it

[01:10:09] well bob bob didn't have a sense of fucking i know but he's a terrible person but i

[01:10:15] interesting to me to see these guys just uh carson's losing it he's trying to keep the conversation

[01:10:23] going and dean's like whoa what i can't say this oh god oh i gotta see oh i think i've seen that i

[01:10:29] linked it in the group yeah it is one of those i do feel like i've seen it but it's been a minute

[01:10:36] there's one where he walked out with you know to say hi to johnny he's like he's like uh hey john

[01:10:44] how you doing i heard you been 10 10 years here he's like yeah yeah he says well uh you know i'm gonna

[01:10:50] drink to that you care to care to have some he's like he's and he's like but you know what that was

[01:10:54] in the in the glass that he had it was apple juice yes i loved how we talked about this last time it was

[01:11:03] just like but who'd have thought just he did it so convincingly as as far as we were concerned he's

[01:11:09] the cool guy and i woke up these people are in my room

[01:11:15] what are you doing here i wasn't doing in my room they're too cool for my room

[01:11:21] hey people want to join me in a drink good get your own glasses

[01:11:30] i heard the story that he had a party in his house one time and he went to bed

[01:11:36] and it was getting a little too noisy called the cops pretending to be a next-door neighbor and the

[01:11:40] cops came to his house and told everybody to leave oh my god sorry yep that is sneaky

[01:11:51] wow oh you know matt uh you know uh dean martin yeah his matt helm movies i really enjoyed those

[01:11:59] oh i love those movies yep don't don't watch them with today's crowd just watch them by yourself and

[01:12:07] enjoy the silence very much nice character from that you feel it anyway he he enjoyed making those

[01:12:18] movies i guess until fair and take got killed yeah he was in his last film the red show it's the

[01:12:25] wrecking crew right i i think so yeah i yeah he was he was very upset when she died and that's why

[01:12:33] he stopped making they did one more but it wasn't him you know they did a tv show for

[01:12:40] bat helm but it was a different yeah yeah was it i can't remember who it was played it but yeah

[01:12:45] it was a tv show for a bit i i i remember him doing a movie called mr rico where he played a lawyer

[01:12:56] mr rico mr rico yeah he played a lawyer in it 75 crime drama directed by paul volgaard wow yeah

[01:13:07] and we saw my father last leading film lawyer you know and you're all i gotta say this if you don't

[01:13:19] have water in that is you got any seltzer in that thing why i got some scotch here i gotta have refilled

[01:13:25] on it hey now pally i'm gonna go over in the car hey pally no jerry you gotta blow through the other end

[01:13:36] be careful you might end up doing a little bit you might be doing bing crosby if you keep going yeah

[01:13:42] the way the way you do bing crosby is well how's it going everybody this bing crosby here and let me

[01:13:48] just tell you i just beat my kids in basketball through basketball at them they couldn't catch it

[01:13:52] that's why they've got black eyes now oh well so i i totally want to check out this mr rico it

[01:13:57] wasn't well received oh yeah it wasn't well received but it's one of those movies they were

[01:14:03] michael thomas before miami vice yep yep holy shit

[01:14:11] i think i remember seeing philip michael thomas in a ralph baxi movie cartoon

[01:14:15] my boy it was coonskin who's was it yeah yeah it's when the blue of the night meets the bright

[01:14:26] dawn of the day everybody loves somebody sometime everybody needs someone somehow

[01:14:37] something in my heart just told me my drink right now oh my god that's amazing

[01:14:49] have you ever thought of cosplaying or doing a being a impressionist of oh dean i i i just try i did i

[01:14:58] did i did uh i was doing stand-up for a while and uh really the jokes that i was doing open mics at

[01:15:07] stand-up and you know of course the stand-up scene now isn't what it was you know 15 years ago by the

[01:15:13] way guys we've just lost richard lewis if anybody yeah i heard about that it's so rough man it's just

[01:15:19] like really what the thing that sucks is i mean comedy is going to be so the thing i'm going to

[01:15:30] just say right now is just my stance comedy is going to be so fucked once all these people die and

[01:15:35] we're going to be stuck with comedians that basically tell jokes i mean there's a comedy club in seattle

[01:15:43] they had to shut down a show because certain people were offended by who they were having there

[01:15:48] and i kind of went really this didn't happen in the 80s you know unless they just didn't invite him

[01:15:54] back again or something instead of just we're just going to take the money loss and just check him out

[01:16:01] yeah yeah and um yeah on the other side of the equation you're going to have comedians like hannah

[01:16:08] gadsby who aren't funny you're going to have people like amy schumer who aren't funny

[01:16:16] and yet they're going to get they're going to be they're going to be the comedy icons going forward

[01:16:20] because so many people think they're funny but don't know a damn thing about that or they're

[01:16:25] amusing but they're not the best of all time like or they're hard i can laugh at but in small doses

[01:16:32] he's not the best of the year i'll hit this way hannah gadsby doesn't even come close to amusing

[01:16:38] you maybe get a smirk and that's only if you were if you're already if you're already hooked up

[01:16:44] in next o'clock tonight there you go and a lot of them also just don't do stand-up anymore like

[01:16:51] lewis black is often just on the daily show once a while but when he was doing stand-up it killed

[01:16:56] i don't know why he doesn't do it as much sorry go ahead kill well no i was just gonna say i miss

[01:17:00] you know george carlin and and um well eddie murphy when he was doing stand-up and uh richard

[01:17:07] yeah i miss i miss gilbert i miss gilbert i miss bob saget i miss richard belger yep i miss guys like

[01:17:16] louie anderson i miss kinnison i miss you know rough i you know i miss a lot of these guys that were like

[01:17:25] breaking the ground and going forward and we're like a you know we're like a

[01:17:30] you know an icbm missile like when it was comedy and now you got all these john rickles

[01:17:37] yeah don rickles was someone who blended in with any crowd and yeah i mean i like jack black and

[01:17:44] sarah silverman but they're kind of more of ensemble people like they're not the lead they're not the

[01:17:49] one who draws you in they're kind of more just part of the show they can do pg or they can do r and

[01:17:54] just like eddie murphy it just a ron williams just give them a script and tell them what's okay and

[01:18:00] what's not but uh i mean i guarantee you i'm gonna cry like a baby when any of our favorite improv

[01:18:06] comedians die and so many of them have described how vegas has changed so much going back to rat

[01:18:13] pack for a minute just like because when it first started up especially by the aughts you would

[01:18:20] sometimes get even ruder crowds who just didn't seem they seemed to think it was going to be kind

[01:18:25] of like an la or new york scene and vegas is kind of more casual party like enjoy your drinks we're

[01:18:30] going to bring in a band it's a it's more like universal orlando in a way but yeah half the people

[01:18:38] don't know and next thing you know you're getting extra amount of hecklers to where you're like this

[01:18:42] is not worth my payday well you know is there any high venue was there any high venue comedians that

[01:18:49] are you know doing shows continuously in vegas i'll see them there uh the who's lying guys will go

[01:18:56] there but i'll see some other just uh someone like joe mckel or uh uh maybe you might have seen paul

[01:19:07] mooney there back in the day some other one who was just edgy and mixed in with they could still also

[01:19:14] be kind of more casual depending on the night it it really depends i'm sick to death uh the arlington

[01:19:22] and dallas improvs here i i went back there i want to say 2017 2018 but lately it's been really shitty

[01:19:30] like just so many has-been comedians from crappy sitcoms or like one of the friday movies you're like

[01:19:38] i'm not gonna spend money on that guy

[01:19:42] i i was curious the last comedian i saw i saw like harlowe williams in vegas harlowe williams

[01:19:51] he was uh he was the guy in dumb and dumber who's uh checking out the beer bottles that they had in the

[01:19:57] car oh yeah but like you guys are saying it it's oh wait was he what movie also was he in yeah

[01:20:05] harlan williams i got 13 rabbits he was like one but they were he's an astronaut yeah that's the one

[01:20:11] star um oh yeah yeah spaceman or whatever the disney movie yep um but no i mean i remember seeing him on

[01:20:20] tv you know doing like improv stuff on tv and i thought he was hilarious but

[01:20:25] um when i went to see him in vegas it was like at this really small

[01:20:31] like venue and he didn't strike me as very funny that's a shame but you know and he kept calling me

[01:20:38] inspector gadget because i was wearing a fedora oh fuck that yeah he seems to me like more of a again

[01:20:46] an ensemble guy not someone who can lead the way and it's getting too digital nowadays to where you're

[01:20:53] better off just watching reruns of just for laughs or something because yeah you'll see but even the

[01:20:59] netflix stuff they've been kind of shitting out real fast and you're just like that isn't very well

[01:21:04] engaging netflix netflix has become the fucking joke among jokes when it comes to stand-up because

[01:21:12] they put out all these stand-up specials and it's fucking people you don't even want to talk to

[01:21:16] because it's exactly it's not edgy comedy i see shit on tiktok that's supposed to be funny and i'm

[01:21:22] like that's complete and utter shit that's like you know it's like the the one girl's like playing

[01:21:27] like you know the pissed off customer yeah it's become more snarky it's not to where you're like

[01:21:35] instead of witty or rude but clever you know and when i saw when i saw bobby lee in 2017

[01:21:44] uh 17 maybe 2018 he was hysterical because he streaked off the stage because he's like i got a plane

[01:21:50] to catch don't stop me for an autograph yeah basically it's a difference between don rickles and

[01:22:01] jeffrey jeffrey ross he's the guy that does that's true that is very true ross is the is the

[01:22:10] roast master and he's he and lisa lapinelli just turned me off and it's like this this is insult

[01:22:18] comedy um i prefer yeah he's the host but he's not the roaster yeah yeah i prefer my insult comedy in

[01:22:26] the vein of uh don rickles or someone who can do both from a dog puppet yeah someone who can wear all

[01:22:33] the hats yeah did you see the the one lisa lampanelli stormed off stage that video no she's not even

[01:22:44] playing to a packed house she's it's like a theater somewhere what year was this oh god this had to be

[01:22:51] 20 2019 20 in concert early 2020 you know remember how she was really heavy and then she lost all the

[01:22:59] weight she got like a punk rock haircut and all that shit she comes out on stage she's doing the

[01:23:05] standard and somebody was heckling her and she basically said you know you know fuck you i do

[01:23:11] this shit and i don't need this shit from you or from anybody else you know fuck you fuck it was like

[01:23:16] it was like if you ever see when bill hicks went off on somebody in the crowd

[01:23:22] bill hicks needled that person like with an ice pack you know like i'm watching you yeah yeah

[01:23:27] you should go home listen your fucking shitty madonna records and go die you know she basically just

[01:23:35] had like a snap like she just snapped this person and you look at the crowd the crowd's only about

[01:23:41] maybe 500 people like it's like 2 000 seat theater oh that's bad i've heard from people of mine who are

[01:23:50] in the entertainment industry one of them was coordinating foreign uh international music

[01:23:57] concerts and i know madonna was speaking of which was like late to like a brazilian like

[01:24:02] music concert like for four hours i'm like fuck that why is madonna late yeah you look you know what

[01:24:09] had an answer together there's like some other people coming out who were like supposed to be the

[01:24:13] sideshow or opener i'm like that is pathetic four-hour tardiness unacceptable i want my money back

[01:24:21] i value my life i value my time the rat pack showed up on time when they wanted to

[01:24:28] and if they were made up for it by putting on a really good show probably well they were doing

[01:24:32] they were doing several shows a week so you're bound to if you paid a ticket you were going to see them

[01:24:38] at some point so there you go yeah i think they did double they did double shows gill i think they

[01:24:43] did two shows they made all these millions yeah they probably had to do two to three shows a night and

[01:24:48] then go home and get ready to and when they were filming oceans 11 they'd film during the day

[01:24:52] yeah man and then they do yeah how do you even catch a catnap at that point

[01:24:59] well the thing i love about oceans 11 if you guys ever said is anybody not seen oceans 11

[01:25:04] not that i know i own it i'm pretty sure the ending is one of the best endings of all time

[01:25:13] yeah i think i think the ending was just phenomenal well you know man when we were when i was filming

[01:25:21] oceans 11 with my cat man i would take a sweet cat nap man

[01:25:28] one time one time i remember i woke up and there was norman fell looking at me in bed what do you say

[01:25:35] to you good morning darling okay um you know he's in that movie norman fell yeah i yeah i do that

[01:25:44] mr roper you know oh man what a good time we had with that with those guys though you're never gonna

[01:26:04] see that ever again yeah there's there you're not gonna be able to catch that kind of lightning in a

[01:26:11] bottle never again because the talent because the talent pool today is has been diluted to the point

[01:26:19] where because of the internet they say it it was it was it was a product of the time and uh

[01:26:27] and everybody bill hicks and dennis larry are in a hole accusing each other or ripping each other off

[01:26:33] but see the difference is they can kind of stand on their own two feet when i see all these other

[01:26:38] comedians accusing each other of stealing jokes you can really tell because you're like yeah it's

[01:26:43] it's virtually the same well that's what a lot of people said about uh amy schumer you know she

[01:26:50] stole a lot of jokes from people i'm just turning around in a ironic twist amy schumer stole joke

[01:26:57] from carlos benziah yeah and my favorite thing of all the time is joe roving that i'm still touring

[01:27:06] you guys ever see that was it joe rogan was it joe rogan or was it um joe rogan put him on the spot

[01:27:12] but yeah mincia had stolen like a bill cosby joke so there's another irony um and yeah it's just but

[01:27:20] yeah joe rogan is another perfect example it's like every other comedian when they get tired of it seems

[01:27:25] to want to just go and be on an offensive podcast so it's just like we're like you guys are saying

[01:27:30] where is the true comedy it's all polluted with kind of uh do you want shit or crap that's what

[01:27:37] you're getting i haven't paid attention to joe rogan since news radio so oh there you go no you

[01:27:42] really miss much he was like one of the interns yeah yeah he was on there he was like one of the

[01:27:49] interns in the back he was like the tech guy who was always fixing things but here's the thing most

[01:27:53] of us are going to remember someone else like steven rood or dave foley you know not yeah dave foley

[01:28:00] dick uh yeah or an infamous person like or uh or bill um phil hartman yeah phil hartman there you go

[01:28:09] yeah yeah people andy dick the only man john lovitz ever punched out yeah well he was he was in the

[01:28:18] right yeah you should have totally punched him a second time uh andy dick andy dick to me is not

[01:28:26] funny at all well it doesn't help that he's also just a maniac just touching people inappropriately

[01:28:32] to where you're like you need to get knocked the fuck out for real and not get back up

[01:28:41] uh i don't think anyone's working with him after he basically had another psychological breakdown and

[01:28:46] took someone hostage so oh yeah it's bad you can look at him about that yeah and i was just like

[01:28:52] are you kidding me i mean i get that some people were we're all having to figure out mental health

[01:29:00] and we're all having to figure out how to be clever and funny and talk about social commentary but

[01:29:06] i really do feel like so many of the people who are just you can't work with them at all

[01:29:13] someone needs to just finally just drop them and say okay not representing you anymore you're not

[01:29:18] being in any more movies just go home well that they'll cancel culture that's happening much more

[01:29:23] prevalently now than ever before well that's the other thing too sometimes they get it right and other

[01:29:27] times they don't get it right at all and you're like really you thought that guy was talking to that

[01:29:31] person he was making a joke about something totally different not this and that yeah it's

[01:29:38] and they're so quick to press the trigger button it was like whoa whoa whoa what's the context

[01:29:46] what did you say that can you point on this ball where the comedian offended you

[01:29:52] right uh you could do an operation version of it click here yeah oh yeah you could do an

[01:29:59] sense here remove sense of humor heart attack offensive i was gonna say this is a movie the

[01:30:07] first time in an operation you might not have funny bone

[01:30:13] that's that's how cancel culture is they would make an operation game and they wouldn't put the

[01:30:17] funny bone in or the game of life everybody wins in the end oh there you go in this case i have a

[01:30:26] rat pack game monopoly nobody gets nobody gets any money at all everybody has the same amount

[01:30:32] the rat pack played monopoly and they all owned uh one block each i i think my favorite film is

[01:30:39] watching industry science theater and they had the rat the rat pack chess set yeah oh yes and they

[01:30:46] have the enemies of the rat pack for mitch miller again it's you thexner you know and would it have

[01:30:54] been later comedy central no that was uh it was early comedy central it was uh during joel's yeah

[01:31:05] joel's reign episode um but yeah because they have they have the one where like you press the button

[01:31:15] says wait when do we move frank frank only tells he tells you you know frank you know frank uh you can

[01:31:22] you know you can substitute you know joey bishop for don wrinkles and you know you can take uh

[01:31:27] peter lawford out after the weekend you know after the weekend debacle with jfk you know um

[01:31:32] but i love when he says frank only tells you to move because wherever he wants what about what

[01:31:37] about frank he moves wherever he wants to baby

[01:31:44] is uh can you guys before we wrap up can you guys think of any cartoons that in a way kind of

[01:31:51] emulate earlier comedians because that's kind of what i miss about really hannah barbara and looney

[01:31:55] tunes they would emulate comedians yeah the warner brothers looney tunes yeah they did that a lot

[01:32:00] yeah yeah it was like that's jimmy urante that's a bogart type character that's you know that's the

[01:32:06] well they actually had they actually had cartoons where the celebrities would actually show up

[01:32:11] they would do that too and other times they were just kind of impressions just inspired well that's

[01:32:16] what i meant it'd be it'd be a drawing of the actor but it'd be someone else doing the impression of

[01:32:21] oh of course like bogart showing up at the restaurant saying right now i guess baby's

[01:32:28] gonna have to have a ham sandwich and then then there's the show doug where there was a crooner

[01:32:35] who lived downstairs that showed nickelodeon and there's a picture of him with the rat pack

[01:32:41] you know it's just dean sammy and frank you know joe bishop and peter law firm kind of like

[01:32:45] off to the side um if you guys ever see that poster of the rat pack where it's dean sammy and frank

[01:32:54] and you see another shoulder the other shoulder was a comedian named jan murray

[01:33:00] yes i'm friends with his son howard murray on facebook and jan murray was actually i always kind

[01:33:09] say on that peripheral of the rat pack because he was a good comedian he was a really funny comedian

[01:33:15] and he would always i think he did the how about telethon you know you host it or something like that

[01:33:22] and one time they had they had sid caesar come on yeah nice caesar

[01:33:27] sid caesar did all the dialects like he would do the italian the german the french you know the japanese that you know you know

[01:33:39] because because they can someone to care and rico for me you know it was all this dialect you know

[01:33:45] because you know and um you do germany like the ashton my kid and the albert schweitzer you know

[01:33:52] um oh i was literally my father would my father my father god bless him got me into sid caesar

[01:34:00] and thank you james is dead oh yeah and today would have been my mom's 84th birthday so she

[01:34:07] she loved that stuff too um i think everyone does i have yet to encounter anyone who just trolls and

[01:34:13] says oh it's not like the new stuff sid caesar i mean i have a movie with him um

[01:34:21] he's uh he's working for this guy who's like a mobster or something of course and he was getting

[01:34:26] sandwiches for him at the beginning of the movie and i'm trying to remember what the name of that

[01:34:30] movie is um that's awesome i don't know he's getting sandwiches for the mobster yeah he's like getting

[01:34:39] sandwiches for this uh mobster guy or something i'm looking this up now

[01:34:45] i i i i have to get it real was it fire sale it was i think the movie was around 60 i don't know for

[01:34:54] sure between 65 67 maybe um his spirit is willing is it the busy body the busy body yep that's it

[01:35:04] 1967 yeah it was the first thing that came up the bumbling judges would have also accepted your show

[01:35:10] of baloney and the one thing it's a whole bunch of malarkey and baloney no you missed you missed

[01:35:17] the setup you said judges would have also accepted your show of baloney baloney

[01:35:23] john b louis is in this too richard pryor is in this oh my god yeah he plays the cop

[01:35:29] he plays the cop irony ladies and gentlemen and robert ryan i just remember him wow i remember him

[01:35:38] doing that movie with barry gordon called the spirit is willing from like 1967 68 where they stay in a

[01:35:46] haunted house and then i remember him doing fire sale directed by alan arkin where he plays the uncle

[01:35:57] who's like mentally disturbed and he likes to blow up shit you know i'm gonna have to look at that

[01:36:04] busybody movie and see what other movies it says they have for him on itunes or voodoo my god i think

[01:36:10] but i think the one movie i remember him in that where he did a good job was um over the brooklyn bridge

[01:36:18] it is with elliot gould yeah yeah yeah i've seen that that was on recently believe it or not

[01:36:27] yeah he played the uncle and elliot gould wanted to open his own restaurant and he's the uncle and he's

[01:36:34] a real bastard to elliot gould because he wants elliot gould to marry his daughter yeah he's he's gonna

[01:36:42] marry he's gonna marry a gentile and he wants elliot gould to marry his his his like his his wife's

[01:36:49] you know niece or some shit like that and it's carol canning carol canning's a real nymphomaniac

[01:36:54] oh yes yep oh i remember watching that movie my father i mean my father's going by canon films yep

[01:37:01] yep yeah but better quality than they used to be i don't know it was a weird playback it looked like

[01:37:09] it was an unusual digital rip that they got but yeah fun fun fun movie better than has any right to

[01:37:15] be fun yeah this has been a delight all i i always love where this goes we never know where it's gonna

[01:37:28] go i was just hollering and almost lost my dinner just laughing at what we're doing with killigan

[01:37:32] i did not expect that to go where it went jesus last week jesus uh yeah i was just like what

[01:37:45] skipper buddy so we have there that palette why don't you why don't you stop working on them coconut

[01:37:53] radios and start working on a boat

[01:37:56] i don't mind being on gilligan's island i just gotta figure out where jesus is mariano

[01:38:04] so we got a great great special coming up we got a james bond uh ranking special just oh

[01:38:12] rank the ones you want they can even be the 67 casino royal or the rock just

[01:38:18] oh yeah just oh yeah i i know there's only going to be one bond film i rate probably a zero out of

[01:38:25] five what which one on her majesty's don't say no no no no no time to die oh yeah that was a music

[01:38:35] video that was not a james bond movie oh that was a piece of shit i'm sorry oh and which one i mean

[01:38:45] which one was that recent recent like rami malek is a forgettable villain and the music

[01:38:53] takes me out of it every time i'm just like i haven't yeah i haven't seen the last two or three

[01:38:58] craig looks like he does not want to be there and the fact that that was the best thing they could come

[01:39:03] up with they're like well and i'm surprised how many people liked it because they were so torn between

[01:39:08] all the other ones that weren't casino royal and like this deserved way better and the fact that you

[01:39:14] just had to kill the guy off just because the actor was a pain in the ass and didn't want to do it

[01:39:19] anymore that's pretty lame and they're thinking of doing a new one and i don't know who the hell's

[01:39:22] going to be james yeah and everyone they mentioned i'm like nope nope tom hardy no we even heard them

[01:39:28] talk about um uh that i wish i could remember names better the uh black actor that was in a star trek

[01:39:37] oh yeah address elba address elba yeah it just doesn't sound like bond is like no it's no

[01:39:47] i just want them to do the beginning for the next one like you have the qualifications

[01:39:52] you have the things we need and there it goes yeah you are now james bond 007 because there's a

[01:39:59] rumor that goes around that james bond is just a code name for an agent it's the only way it makes

[01:40:06] sense they kind of play on that in that comedy casino royale right and it's the only way it makes sense

[01:40:12] you know because it's just like because anytime anyone else is replaced and money penny that's just

[01:40:19] their code name so it's just like double a dozen double freeze and double sixes so it's like it doesn't

[01:40:25] make sense to say it's the same person because i mean look at their personas there's no way

[01:40:32] dalden brosnan connery moore are the same person no and and and and glazenby glazenby should be in

[01:40:40] there and the broccoli barbara broccoli is so full of shit when she just does the whole we're not trying

[01:40:47] to emulate this it's like james bond has ripped off stuff historically just for the last five decades i

[01:40:55] mean moon ranker that was a star wars answer the last few have been imitating jason born and taken

[01:41:01] so it's like yeah no that's bullshit and the thing i'm gonna say right now is if you you know bond they

[01:41:09] had to change it in the 90s because they wanted to be you know the womanizer or anything like that

[01:41:14] i'm thinking myself all right i can understand that but you're losing some flavor with bond

[01:41:20] you know right and as a disclaimer guys we're not trying to

[01:41:25] you know act like we're not progressive or like something can't be changed it doesn't have to stay

[01:41:30] the same but it also shouldn't be forced it shouldn't just be like and they they picked the wrong

[01:41:36] directors like the last one was claiming bond was a rapist and it's like then why are you directing

[01:41:41] a james bond movie if you think that i'll take the rapist for 200 right i'm just about to do the

[01:41:49] trump back yeah it's like well your back is a greasy mustache oh and sam mendez he's a drama guy he's not

[01:41:58] an action guy so i'm just like they need to hire people who i mean the same thing with the new star

[01:42:04] track where it's just like hire people who have experience with this don't hire them because

[01:42:11] they mean a lot of money because if they're the wrong person then they're the wrong person i'm sorry

[01:42:19] oh i got we're doing with james bonds next week yes sir i think that'd be

[01:42:24] is that what it is i thought it was battle star glack oh no that's for wednesday

[01:42:31] just our listing our favorite moments okay but the bond stuff is thursday so we got to do like our

[01:42:37] top 10 or top five uh you can just rank whatever you choose to rank and it doesn't have to be long

[01:42:45] all right star wars we were kind of more casual just saying hey we could talk all night about that but

[01:42:50] yeah just try to just uh do a five-star ranking for some of the ones and you don't have to re-watch

[01:42:57] them all but generally if you've seen them a bunch of times you can probably rank those the highest

[01:43:02] yeah there's been like 30 bond movies right yeah yeah if you haven't seen it then don't bother with

[01:43:10] it just make it easy on yourself um i i i kind of i kind of dropped it after uh rosnan left so i was

[01:43:18] like fuck it i don't want to be bothered with bond anymore i did see casino royale i do love that

[01:43:23] i it took me free viewings to make sense of skyfall because everyone complained about the other ones

[01:43:28] being too shaky but i was i'm trying to remember because i think that heavier bardem but see oh that

[01:43:35] was the one where like the tech like he loses all his tech he's all hannibal lecter joker and you're

[01:43:40] like okay this is a different villain um but i i think my deal is like they go so fast and it takes

[01:43:49] multiple viewings just to see what's going on on screen i don't know what it is with how the

[01:43:54] cameras move in these movies but i'll see these movies on like the big screen and it's just pitch

[01:44:00] black and i'm like what is my vision really bad what what am i not seeing that's what i miss that's

[01:44:06] what i miss about the old guy hamilton yeah terrence young yeah terrence young they were so full of

[01:44:13] vibrant colors and shit you know like if i watch something before you guys if i watch something like

[01:44:19] um you know uh the spy who loved me right yeah great movie big bold bond if i was something like

[01:44:31] like fucking skyfall i don't even know what the hell it's about all i know is albert finney's in it and

[01:44:37] i know albert finney was considered for bond at one point really oh yeah they had they had a short

[01:44:44] list of people who were gonna replace connor as bond when he left after diamonds are forever

[01:44:49] and or no you only live twice so it was oliver reed patrick mcgoon albert finney yes um at the

[01:44:59] bates which is wild because mcgoon showed up later uh have you ever seen sam niels audition

[01:45:08] no yes it's amazing you can youtube it somewhere they even tried out adam west and josh bro uh

[01:45:15] uh james brolin at different points believe it or not yeah i think of course they didn't make it

[01:45:21] because they're american i think the one guy who gets screwed over the most is ladies and b

[01:45:26] because he did a real good job as bond and um did he make the decision to go back to being bond

[01:45:36] he was told by his agent james bond is not going to be big anymore you know you might as well wow

[01:45:43] he was told by his agents like james bond is a dying is a dying franchise and he he would show up on

[01:45:48] talk shows he had like long hair and a beard and you know promoting the movie and his agent said to

[01:45:54] him okay no no don't worry it's you know it's done you he would he would go on to do like you know

[01:45:58] stuff overseas like you know in italy and you know i got one i got one movie he did with you know

[01:46:06] overseas and it was like man from hong kong yeah yeah yeah tell me about that that that's kind of his

[01:46:11] unofficial chance that doing a change spot thing he did yeah where he where he says i didn't know the

[01:46:17] police had a yellow streak on them and i'm like oh bad dialogue buddy yeah but the thing i love is

[01:46:25] when they did the return from the man from uncle and he shows up as you can be double oh seven you

[01:46:30] can youtube that cameo yeah uh fun fact uh so i saw the latest ncis they did a wonderful tribute to

[01:46:38] david mccallum uh yes they did they didn't just act like he doesn't exist anymore like so many other

[01:46:44] shows have done whenever there's been a death in the cast like they they did a clip show and then they

[01:46:49] legit just acknowledged his character woke up dead a heart attack and he was working on this

[01:46:54] assignment we got to continue this because he made this promise but then and sorry go ahead

[01:47:01] michael weatherly came back which are like yeah and and somebody said pop pale polo dakota came back

[01:47:09] too uh not not in that one she did a few seasons back they revealed she hadn't died and because they

[01:47:15] fired that showrunner who came up with that stupid plot line saying oh she blew up on a bomb um and

[01:47:20] they're getting their own spinoff where they're living in paris together going on missions for

[01:47:25] paramount and i think that'll be better wow because i'm looking at here's the other problem with every

[01:47:31] franchise they come out with too many spinoffs like they don't need the hawaii one it's okay but it's

[01:47:37] the new orleans one was fun and i've given up on the one that's in like australia like sydney i'm

[01:47:43] like yeah no la was great i loved la oh really okay i tried with it i just thought it got a little

[01:47:50] junky with how it looked like a camcorder after a while but uh oh cool jay and chris o'donnell did

[01:47:56] have a good camaraderie it's just is that off now ncis la yeah they ended it and they moved

[01:48:02] cool jay to the hawaii cast since they did some fun crossovers together so and i like the fact that

[01:48:08] linda hunt was the was i'm gonna cry like a baby when she or gerald mcranie died because like those

[01:48:15] guys have been just in everything they just always crushed it you know gerald has been like america's

[01:48:20] dad for like the last 50 years and linda's just always just steals the show and just has given a

[01:48:27] voice to people of her height and just has a instantly recognizable voice like the minute i hear

[01:48:33] jersey girl too oh right from morristown yeah sweet i just remember her like in uh

[01:48:42] in in dune playing shout out mates yeah yeah yeah and then then like you go a couple years later and

[01:48:49] she's in kindergarten kind of with arnold yes you know and everybody thought she was like english or

[01:48:56] something no she just took she went to i think the world world academy of dramatic arts and she's

[01:49:01] learned how to fine-tune her voice life of living dangerously yeah with sigourney weaver yeah oh yeah

[01:49:07] that was amazing for her i and people were like pissed oh you're nominating a woman to put in a

[01:49:13] guys work yeah so and your point being you know yeah we had some crazy people back then that there

[01:49:19] are people who still want to contest like every other like win it's like i'm okay if they win

[01:49:26] just don't have it be just like such a just schlocky you know production and the acting's the only good

[01:49:31] thing about it i can disagree but it doesn't have to be you know it doesn't have to be the best thing

[01:49:40] since sliced bread yeah oh man what a night we've had hey it's always a delight with you guys you guys are

[01:49:49] always so careful you know james you will instantly kind of go into here's what i observed here's what

[01:49:55] i researched uh you know tom will kind of pull back the curtain on here's what i've seen progress

[01:50:01] since then and gil you kind of go into collector mode you're like where can i find this i recall

[01:50:06] looking at that special or that dvd pack you kind of bring in the the video viewer kind of fine and i

[01:50:13] just try to come up with at least five facts that kind of blow people's mind but

[01:50:20] yeah always a delight during this i really do legit enjoy it guys because i think i don't feel

[01:50:25] like everyone likes i feel like everyone wants to just get on a podcast and either be shocking or just

[01:50:33] i don't know just kind of mock each other and it's like that's not really doing anything for anyone

[01:50:40] i don't know about you when i see people ranting at each other i just kind of switch the channel

[01:50:45] i don't stick around i know i was listening to the podcast uh you posted star trek week oh yeah

[01:50:55] and i felt like when i was doing that podcast i was rambling a little too much and um i feeling like

[01:51:01] i cut down some of the dead space we had i thought you did good but i know what you mean it it's hard

[01:51:06] to kind of find your focus at first because it's just so raw and in the moment you know yeah and

[01:51:13] and you're trying to cover all of that history and and you know and i felt like you i said i knew you did

[01:51:20] some editing i said you made me sound better than i actually felt like i did yeah you know i wasn't

[01:51:25] sure where it was going uh i'll confess sometimes when i'm recording i just force myself to shut up

[01:51:31] don't you know don't force the interview to be what you want it to be and at the same time

[01:51:37] just kind of i get a little thought bubble in my head saying okay by 40 minute mark we kind of

[01:51:42] went off on a tangent how we make that a funny blooper episode you know

[01:51:48] and yeah you're the shit every five seconds for somebody right commercial break at in 10

[01:51:57] oh it's been i've learned so much though and it's kind of helped me mentally uh kind of just

[01:52:05] heal when i just saw just so much just street violence and other unacceptable stuff making the

[01:52:11] headlines and it's like yeah i just want to have a fun conversation with a bunch of people

[01:52:16] and i've learned so much from people who live in other countries even i was like no that's a thing

[01:52:22] holy shit i had no idea the thing the thing i've said is like getting on this show with you know

[01:52:29] you and tom and gil has been like therapeutic for me because i was doing something else i was doing

[01:52:37] something else at the time and it was kind of like getting very stacked i'll tell you what i was doing

[01:52:41] i was playing dnd with a bunch of friends and it got to be like the same fucking the same thing over

[01:52:49] and over again there was you know every time i would say something you know everybody would be like

[01:52:53] well you're wrong about that man you know i was like okay well we'll find you know but this has been

[01:52:58] more of like my thing where i'm going oh okay or you know i'll put something into the mix and be like

[01:53:03] oh yeah you know and i love how everybody responds to each other you know well that's just it you want

[01:53:09] to feel validation and if people are just talking don't get me wrong it wasn't always great there were

[01:53:15] times where we weren't really acknowledging each other we kind of had to learn the formula at first

[01:53:19] he's like hey yeah i'm not ignoring you but i gotta remind you i'm not ignoring you you know i'm not

[01:53:26] acknowledge and then move on and i i think this i've gotten better with the sound there's there's

[01:53:32] only one episode that i thought we were kind of screwed on and that was the lou diamond phillips episode

[01:53:36] we are cutting in and out and i was i was not pressing pause i just said hey let's figure this

[01:53:44] out why are we echoing i can't wait to hear the nasferatu episode yeah i thank you for linking those

[01:53:51] uh themes i think it's really going to serve the purpose and give everyone kind of blow their mind

[01:53:55] this is how gothic movies were kind of made in the 70s that weren't hammer yeah and did you guys see

[01:54:02] the pictures from uh robert eggers from what he's doing i i think you did share those with us and oh

[01:54:10] my god i mean i can't believe who the foe's gonna be in he's playing a freaking he was in the lighthouse

[01:54:18] i don't really recommend the movie but i i understand why it was a hit i i think see there's a guy

[01:54:24] who much like sam jackson you know he he's been nominated he's never won any awards but

[01:54:30] uh i mean john kusack and ethan hawk have even said recently that they often have to do two movies

[01:54:37] they don't want to do a year just so they can do two movies they do want to do yeah here and

[01:54:45] it seems like you gotta i'm just hoping other people will find other alternate things to do

[01:54:52] instead of being forced to do cheap video on demand movies or just something that looks lousy you know

[01:54:58] it's just because you shouldn't have to do a superhero movie to make a living and at the same

[01:55:03] time you shouldn't have to win all the awards to mean something either you know well i love the fact

[01:55:08] that willem dafoe was in a is the only one of the few guys that does a dc and a marvel a marvel movie

[01:55:13] that is true yeah he plays volco in the aquaman movie and then he's playing the green goblin

[01:55:19] and the spider-man there you go the guy that played uh the guy that played captain america was

[01:55:24] in a dc movie as a the losers i think yes yeah he's in the losers yeah so johnny storm

[01:55:31] yep i've been a fan of his i've been a fan of his ever since uh larry cohen's uh cellular

[01:55:41] well i liked him in not another teen movie well yeah there you go oh yeah i forgot yeah

[01:55:44] he was in that he was in street kings you know by the training day guys yeah yep i can't wait to

[01:55:52] see what the fantastic four movie is going to be about because if they do anything a long time

[01:55:57] coming man we've been waiting and waiting and waiting i you can get some any of the other three

[01:56:04] i i recommend the roger corman one just for shits and giggles yes i've seen it but it's on

[01:56:10] youtube i think or yes yes you should be able to find it yeah i like the documentary and there's

[01:56:16] documentary about the making of the roger corman yeah it'll be called doomed i've seen it i love it

[01:56:23] emmer and i own that one sweet i think the one the one thing i didn't like about the fantastic four

[01:56:33] movie in oh five was they recruit they they did the origin incorrectly because it's supposed to be

[01:56:41] four of them out on a space mission and victor von doom is not with them he's he's hardly just figured

[01:56:48] in a lab accident with reed richards that's a good point yeah well and the thing i loved about

[01:56:55] in go ahead the venture brothers was when they did uh baron underbite yeah and how he he got his

[01:57:04] underbite from a horrible lab accident because rusty rusty venture was hung over or something he

[01:57:09] fucked up the experiment you know they had their own they had their own fantastic four on the venture

[01:57:15] brothers too it was except the the like the one the human torch guy couldn't be let out of his

[01:57:21] canister because he'd restart and he'd be bursting into flames and screaming yes yeah and and and and

[01:57:29] the thing was a giant callus who had met who was mentally disabled his name was ned and then

[01:57:36] storm would turn invisible but she wouldn't turn invisible her skin would turn invisible and you'd

[01:57:41] just see like her internal organs in her skin and and the guy mr impossible is like a real dick to

[01:57:49] everybody right he has the pipe he says sue where are you going he's like i'm going outside no you stay

[01:57:56] here we'll do science things together and then they did one where she had a baby and they had this

[01:58:03] character called the grand inquisitor who comes off the spaceship and he goes ignore me like he just

[01:58:09] says this i am the grand inquisitor i can't ignore you now did somebody lose a baby somebody anybody

[01:58:20] he goes to the kid he goes ignore me so

[01:58:25] yeah reminds me of kind of reminds me of when i was in vegas and i stayed at the excalibur in 2011

[01:58:32] and like two o'clock in the morning alarm goes off saying do not be alarmed

[01:58:38] i can't do that now that you've shouted in my eardrums oh sorry my mom my mom no no i just mean

[01:58:47] literally when it's waking you up yeah i know i get i'm sorry you know my mom and my aunt stayed at

[01:58:52] the luxor and where they stayed like you know it's it's a pretty up there hotel you know height

[01:59:01] wise yeah and she says that my mother said she said the thing that got her the most was like

[01:59:07] the the lights would be on 24 7 right so her and my aunt were trying to go to sleep

[01:59:12] so they turned that they turned the curtains up let me get to close the curtains and my mom said at

[01:59:18] some point like the curtains split open and there was like a red light coming through and my mother

[01:59:23] thought like an alien ship had landed or something like that or the world had ended you know get the

[01:59:29] mashed potatoes yeah yeah you know this means something ronnie and my mother's like going oh

[01:59:36] fuck oh fuck you know she's like she's getting up out but she's like oh fuck and she closes the

[01:59:40] curtains again and like she's like she said the weird thing is when you're driving out to the desert

[01:59:46] because it's just like it's like a two-hour drive when you see vegas the only thing you see is the

[01:59:54] luxor light going up into the sky so my mother's like thinking like it's like you know i'm thinking

[02:00:00] like what is this like the grand ziggurat like the tower of babel from metropolis you know you know

[02:00:06] we have to make our tower bigger so it can reach god and like you know there's this giant white coming

[02:00:10] out of the ground you know and my mom said it's so freaking weird she's flown home over flights

[02:00:17] where they've gone over vegas she's like she's like you're going over there's desert there's desert

[02:00:23] there's desert there's there's vegas there's desert there's desert there's desert there's desert you

[02:00:28] know oh it looks so weird from i've actually seen i took a red eye one time and hopefully you don't

[02:00:34] never encounter uh the remains of other mobsters who oh no i and fortunately the rat pack never

[02:00:41] ended up in the desert no but i do think bugsy siegel well you know we have that theory you know

[02:00:49] he's with jimmy hoffa after all no no bugsy siegel shot he he had his uh he had a he built he you know he

[02:00:57] was the guy that basically built las vegas he had this dream and the mob the mob gave him money and kept

[02:01:03] consider this a discount we don't have to pay you we just got to put you in the picture

[02:01:08] and and uh who was it had to go out there to talk meyer lansky had to tell him you better watch

[02:01:13] money because if you're not pulling anything in they're gonna come after he's like no no i'll be

[02:01:18] fine i'll be fine so one day he goes out he's got this man he's got this house with a picture window

[02:01:24] and you know he he was basically you know just jerking the mob around you know because nothing was

[02:01:29] coming in and and supposedly he was outside he opened his curtains up car came by

[02:01:37] he died right in his house he was shot up god yeah yes i'm like adult schultz who went into a

[02:01:45] went into a delirium state and dictated some poetry

[02:01:53] the last words of both schultz whoo what a crack up that was

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