The Dick Van Dyke & Mary Tyler Moore Show Retrospects

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[00:00:31] They both did make it after all. The Mary Tyler Moore Show and The Dick Van Dyke Show, back to back. Weekdays starting at 2 Eastern, 11 Pacific.

[00:01:28] Coming to you live from our basements. It's the entire Syncology here. It's The Dick Van Dyke Show. Yes, Carl Ryder presents. ... With Mary Tyler Moore, Maury Amsterdam, who's Maury Amsterdam. Rosemary, and Larry, and... Jerry Mathers is the beaver.

[00:01:57] And Rosemary's baby. Oh wait, Larry Mathers. And Larry Mathers. What about Rosemary's baby? Rosemary. Oh shit. Wasn't that Maury Amsterdam? Yeah. Did you know I read that people in bars would place bets on whether he tripped over the half-second at the beginning or jumped over?

[00:02:20] I saw that because there was like two different theme songs and Carl wanted that level of ambiguity just so it wasn't the same old boring theme song. Yeah. Yeah. I had fun really doing a lot of trivia for this and I mean this was a long time coming. We promised from the get-go when we finally got our stuff together and we're like every Thursday is a party but it's like yeah we got to cover all the every other sitcom that's a gem.

[00:02:46] I did a significant amount of TV land growing up and you know Mary Tyler's sitcom was a cultural blind spot for me but I already knew him from you know watching Mary Poppins to death and Dyke and yeah. Yeah. Well what I really loved when Carl Reiner was making it kind of a weekly get-together like he would hang out with his long time best friend Mel Brooks for dinner every night when he was retired and then he'd come on Conan once a year.

[00:03:14] He did start bring unearthing some previously on scene like the original TV pilot where he was the star before he reworked it. That was the thing it was he it was a TV pilot. I couldn't believe it because like it could have worked but it was just the world wasn't ready for that you know he just wasn't ready for it and then what they did was they said all right listen well because I think Sheldon Leonard was involved in it. I think so yes yeah see look at you go dude you are the movie database.

[00:03:44] So Sheldon Leonard said look we'll do it but you got to get somebody who's a little bit more well known and they got Dick Van Dyke who had just come off of Bye Bye Birdie. Oh yeah. So he he was so he was brought in then they had Rosemary and Maury Amsterdam and Rosemary actually is based on Selma Diamond who was on Night Court.

[00:04:07] So yeah yeah so and then Maury Amsterdam is supposed to be like a composite of like probably Mel Brooks and a couple of the writers on your show of shows and Caesar's Hour. So basically unused ideas finally come to fruition that was the compromise is like okay it's your show Mary you're the lead you're going to get us you know you're going to get more screen time.

[00:04:34] I didn't know about the butting heads backstage but that doesn't surprise me but I also didn't know that the dentist the neighbor Jerry Parrish Jerry yeah Jerry was played by Jerry Parrish future Happy Days director and Police Academy helmsman. And I'm like Millie Millie was played by Ann. Um. I think she's on other shows like Andy Griffiths or something. No no no no no no really. And what I'm just.

[00:05:03] Millie Millie Millie helper Millie helper who lived next door to them was. And I see this hold on. Sally Rogers. Sally Rogers. No. Sally Rogers was Rosemary's. Oh no no. Rosemary played Sally. Okay. Uh. Which character. She was the wife of the. She was the wife of the guy next door neighbors. Yeah. So Jerry Parrish was. Millie helper was. Jerry's. Ann working.

[00:05:32] Ann working. Ann working Gil. Ann working Gilbert. There we go. Okay. What you know her as. Yet a Rosenberg. Fran finds daughter and grandmother on the nanny. Whoa. And then not only that. She was in. Grumpier old men. For real. Wow. Wow. I remember that. Yeah. I think she was. Wasn't she balled from Matt out stunt double. No.

[00:06:03] I'm not jumping off that bridge. That. If you expect me to go down in that subway. God damn it. I'm not going down there. That hand to go down there. I'm not ruining my face because of that. I think. Can you imagine Walter Matthau in a sitcom at this time. Oh. Oh. I'm not playing by your standards. You damn network exec. I'm saying what I want. 70 to 75. 70 to 75. Okay. I thought it was in the 60s. But yeah. I did too. Well no. The film was in 68. The film was 68. And then they.

[00:06:33] They green lighted the show in 70. Oh. And they. You know. They. They got Tony. Tony real. Well Jack Klugman had done. You know. A stage version of it. I think before that. They ever. Syndicate. Different versions. In syndication. Or. Well. The. The only one I know of that's. In syndication. All I know is there is the. Later show. But I don't think. Matthew Perry tried to remake it with. What. Yeah. Matthew Perry and.

[00:07:02] I know. The odd couple. Tom Lennon. I didn't know. Yeah. Thomas. And. And Matthew Perry did the odd couple. And that was. That was a pretty good remake. I liked it. It's fun. It wasn't over to the top. It was just fun. Wasn't there a black version. On TV too. Yeah. Desmond Wilson and. And. Ron Glass. Okay. And that was. The Ron Wilson from Sanford and Son. The Ron Wilson and. And. And. And Ron Glass who played. Who was on. Barney Miller. They were.

[00:07:32] Firefly guy. Yes. Oh my God. That was the 80s. And it only lasted for like one or two seasons. I remember there was another. Neil. Barefoot in the park. There was a black version of that. Short lived. Yeah. Stoey Mitchell. And. But that was a. That was another. From the movies. Yeah. I had fun. You know. That's not. Oh God. Yeah. That's the one they did. They did two. Versions of it. And the first one was with James Whitmore.

[00:08:02] And Cleavon Little. And then they flipped it. And they brought. Paul Lind on. Because he just. Done the Paul Lind stuff. And then they called it. The all new temperatures rising. And I was like. No. I'm in a hospital. I'm in a hospital. I'm in a hospital. Carl Reiner was the creator of the show. Right. So did you do a show before that. That he was actually in. Kind of. Yeah. It was kind of. Um. That's kind of how he got the power to your point. Yeah. He.

[00:08:32] Yeah. That's the sense with that. They're like. Let him. Tinker with some other stuff. For the network. Yeah. Well the thing was. Is that Reiner. Was the head writer. On your show shows. And he would work. He worked. He did sketches with Sid Caesar. I mean. You know. They were great sketches. But then. He got to be more well known. As time went on. As working with Mel Brooks. Right. And you know. So. He wrote this pilot for this show. And you know. Sheldon was like. Okay. Look.

[00:09:02] Well. You can create it. You can do whatever you want. We're going to put somebody else in there. He was like. Yeah. Fine. Go ahead. You know. And I think the thing was. Was that. As time went along. You know. It's his. That's his baby. That's his baby. Right there. That's kind of why I like him. He. He was kind of that wise ass. Kind of like Don Rickles. Yeah. Those kind of zingers. Gotcha. Well. He'd always. He'd always do something like. So off the wall. You know. And the thing.

[00:09:31] So many great comedy movies. For Steve Martin. Yeah. Great. Great guy. Missed that man. But. That's kind of what I love about it. He's. He. He'll always be known to so many generations. He's just always. Is kept relevant. Like. You can't spell comedy without him. Well. That's the thing. When he passed away. I was like. We only got Mel left. And that's it. You know. Yeah. Danger will Robinson. No. This is.

[00:10:01] This is. Oh shit. You know. Mel goes. And that's it. You know. Um. Didn't he help. Uh. Create. The jerk. Yeah. And yeah. He was. He did. And he actually had a. A role in it too. He was the guy who. The first guy. The Steve Martin. Who. The glasses. Yeah. The glasses. The optograph. The optograph. Steve Martin. For the optograph. And he takes his glasses off. And he's. Yeah. Oh man.

[00:10:33] He. You know. Yeah. That's why. He was penniless. Yeah. Because of the. I could take this. Ashtray with me. Maybe. And that's all. I need. Yeah. I'm running with the dogs. When he's new. To. Marine. That's all I need. How do you know. You're going to kick. Iron balls. McGinty. Wow. Um. I. I. My special purpose. It's a special purpose.

[00:11:03] Purpose. Your mom and dad. I certainly got a blowjob. You know. What was it when he was at the gas station. And he's like. Oh these cans are exploding. He doesn't like these things. And then. And then. The priest gunner. He's going. He doesn't like these cans. Get these cans away from him. Get these cans away. Unknowingly. That someone's trying to kill him. Yeah. Doesn't that character. Mellow out too. And become friends with him later in the movie too. Yeah. He finds out. He turns out he's a private.

[00:11:33] He turns out to be a private investigator. Oh yeah. And. I love the scene where he says. I know Kung Fu. And he tries to take on all the racist. Italian monsters. We got to get rid of the niggers. The what? The niggers. You know. The eggplants. The moulinions. Sir. I am a nigger. Yeah. He starts kicking everybody's ass. And then he kicks the one by. He goes. Oh. Like that. And he goes. How the hell. How the heck were you supposed to.

[00:12:01] You're going to kick iron balls McGinty. It's a shame. Not enough people have seen that. Sorry for the racial. I'm very tame. Remember that. Yeah. You know. But. But. With the. With the. With the Dick Van Dyke show. I gotta say. Like that. That's. That's the first time you see a real good ensemble cast. On a. Absolutely. I would watch it back to back with Andy Griffith growing up. And. Yeah. The reason I just admired it. You know.

[00:12:32] It was. The sets looked very much like. You know. From 20 years earlier. I love Lucy. But. Instead of just. The camaraderie. The. Just. I felt like it was also a bit like the honeymooners. You got way more of the neighbors weighing in on everything. It was a bit. A bit of a bigger ensemble. Versus just the two. Well. Married couple. And what are we going to do this week? And. That's all good. I am. In no way knocking any of these. They all have their own identity. I'm just trying to explain kind of what. Yeah. It was slightly doing different.

[00:13:01] It was weighing in more. Yeah. You know. But instead of having. You know. Jack Benny and company. You know. Getting in a random argument. It was kind of just more like. Guess what I did today at work. Well. You didn't tell me about that. Well. They would usually start with a. I mean. They'd start out. Like. Talking about. What happened. Yes. In each episode. It just gets even more wacky. The more they explain it. Like where Richie swears. It's. Richie gets. Richie. Richie. Richie's told. Rich. Richie. Richie.

[00:13:33] You're trying to figure out. What did he say at school. Exactly. Yeah. What is. Exactly. He heard it from me. But I never say that word. You do. You know. It's like the. The one I love is. When she's confronted on TV. And she says. Alan Brady wears a toupee. Now we've never seen Alan Brady. Alan Brady was supposed to be like Sid Caesar. Okay. I did read that trivia. And. Yeah. Because. For. So for those who didn't know. Yeah.

[00:14:03] Carl had previously worked with. Sid. And wanted him. On here. And I think he. Now I can't remember if he was doing something else at the time. He might have been doing something else. He might have been doing a revival or something like that. I don't know what. But. The thing was. Was that. The thing was. Was that. There's the scene where he says Alan Brady. So she comes to the Alan Brady's office. There he is sitting with a hat on. And he has all his toupees on like mannequins heads. And he looks at this. Okay boys. We've been found out.

[00:14:34] Oh man. I mean. That's what made it so great. There's so many over the top moments. You know. And it plays on your doubts. You know. Like. Why would you think that about me or something. And. It kind of half the time they would kind of. Half of it would just be based on a rumor. Or a misinterpretation. I think that's why I liked it a little more. You know. While. You know. Leave it to beaver. And Griffith was more about just a wacky way of teaching ethics and everything.

[00:15:03] And this was more just. Day to day life. Just this. I mean. I see a bit of it definitely in Seinfeld. And you know. It's a bit about everything. And a bit about nothing. You know. Yeah. Well. It's sort of a peek into the entertainment industry in a way. Yes. It wasn't. It wasn't the first show to do that. There was no. There was. There was. There was some of the other runner. Runner. Runner ups. Well I find it interesting that. It's behind the scenes that. A variety show. Alan Brady show.

[00:15:33] And then Mary Tyler Moore was behind the scenes in a newsroom. You know. I had fun also finding out. Yeah. This is technically part of the St. Elsewhere Seinfeld verse. Apparently Alan Brady does appear on both friends. And. Are you kidding me? I am not kidding. I am not kidding. Carl Reiner appears in character as Alan Brady. Oh my God. Yeah. Mad about you. And I think friends. Oh no. Seinfeld. I think. Oh yeah. Really? Yeah. What's the deal with Alan Brady?

[00:16:04] Does he match it or he actually shows up on the show? Cause I've seen them all. I don't. Wow. I think it's more mad about you, which did crossovers with the other two. But yeah. I mean. Oh, not Seinfeld though. Not, not Seinfeld directly. No. Okay. But. I, I love how. In all fairness. Kramer kept invading other shows. And so did some of the other people. What's her name? I think Phyllis or whatever appeared on from Frasier appeared on wings, you know, so it's good.

[00:16:33] It's that cheers. Frasier. Universe cinematic universe. Yeah. Everybody had the St. Elsewhere goes to the cheers. But yeah. Oh, fun stuff. But I do feel like it is kind of funny though, how it's called the Dick Van Dyke show, even though that's not his in character name, you know, Rob Petrie, Rob Petrie and Laura Petrie. Yeah. And Buddy, Buddy Sorrell was.

[00:17:02] Dory Amsterdam. Sally Rogers was. So you answered. Rosemary. Rosemary. And then, and then, then, then what's his name? Deacon. Deacon. Mel Cooley. Richard Deacon. Mel Cooley. And Mel Cooley was the brother-in-law of Alan Brady. So, whenever he'd walk in, he'd always be kind of like, I expect you people to have the script ready by today. And of course, Buddy would just jump on it. Like jump on. Hey, Mel, can I, can I draw three holes on your head?

[00:17:32] Why? Well, I want to see you look like it's a bowling ball. You know, he would just, he would just say something so slow. Now here, here's something else. Here's something else to think about. I'm going to use my, you know, I got a little closer. It's kind of weird. It's kind of weird here. I got Alan Brady over here. And maybe on the Brady Bunch, you have Mike Brady over here. So maybe they're from the same Brady family. This is like chess. It's just a crossover. And it's going to be a really cool thing. You know, maybe we'll figure out what happened to Tiger the dog. Yeah.

[00:18:02] Well, to your point, Cam, too. Mary Taylor Moore show, she played Mary Richards, too. Right. Right, right. And to you guys' earlier point, I mean, that showed you the inside of a regular office job. You know, now we take it for granted. Everybody's tried that, but it's like, well, that wasn't a thing back then. That was the first real office comedy. My mother loved... WKRP, behind the scenes at a radio station. Yeah, that's true. News radio, all those.

[00:18:30] My mother loved Ed Asner on that. She didn't really care for him on the love boat. But I think that was a perfect example of how... No, Gavin McCloud. Gavin McCloud was on the love boat. Yeah, that's who it was. Okay. So, but I know Ed Asner, she's like, oh yeah. You know, just Tyler Moore, you know, that was his best role. I'm like, so I do find it interesting. Just all these guys, like, that's kind of their high point. Like without that, you don't get Betty White becoming the sitcom queen. You don't get... Well, here's the thing.

[00:18:58] You have spinoffs from Mary Tyler Moore. Mm-hmm. You've got Rhoda, Phyllis, right? And Lou Grant. Lou Grant and the Betty White show. Yes. Was that a spinoff or was she... That was just... That's right. I totally spaced on that. Yeah. Basically what happens is this, right? So, Mary Tyler Moore is on from like 1970... 71? 70? I think you're right. Just around that, really. It goes from 70 to 77. 77.

[00:19:29] Okay. So then what happens is the stars of that show... So Mary Tyler Moore gets her own variety show, which is famous because Michael Keaton and David Letterman were on that show, right? So yeah, it's just a trip. It's a fact. So then Ted Knight gets the Ted Knight show, which is not the one too close for comfort. It's the one where he played the head of an escort service, right? That's cool. That really was pretty risky for that time. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[00:19:58] It wasn't that kind of an escort service. Oh, okay. It was just like if you needed a date to take you to the theater or something like that, you know, he'd let... You know, he'd get... It wasn't like that, okay? So then that happens, okay? I'm just kidding. So then the spinoffs from Mary Tyler Moore are Phyllis, which was on for two seasons with Cloris Leachman. Rhoda, which is Valerie Harper's spinoff. Lou Grant, right?

[00:20:27] And then you've got the Ted Knight show, and then you've got the Betty White show where she played a woman who was like... She's playing like a spoof on Police Woman with Angie Dickinson. Wow. I was trying to picture her with a gun. But she wasn't Sue Ann Nivens though. No, she was Sue Ann Nivens. Oh, she was? Okay. She was Sue Ann Nivens. George... George Ingle played Georgette. Oh. Okay. Yeah. So...

[00:20:56] And then they... When they had... When they did the Betty White show, it was her, John Hillerman, all right? And... And George Ingle. In Chinatown. Yeah. John Hillerman had done a bunch of comedy. So the funny thing was, John Hillerman had worked with Peter Rokdanovich, who directed... Of course he was British. He's just like a local Texan guy. Yeah, he was a local Texas guy. But then the funny thing is, if you watch it, John Hillerman had done movies with Peter

[00:21:24] Bogdanovich, who then worked with Cloris Leachman on The Last Picture Show, where she won her Oscar as Best Supporting Actress. So there's like that little funny tie there, you know, the Bogdanovich tie. And... You know, the thing with Mary Tyler Moore is that it's the characters that drove the show. Right. You know? Yeah. They were especially between her and Lou. Yeah.

[00:21:48] Lou Grant was every boss with a heart of gold, you know? And how often has a character from a comedy go on to play that same character in a drama? Yeah. Yeah. I don't think that's ever happened before or since. It wasn't a common brand, no. Oh. I remember. I love both those shows. So, yeah. I remember, you know, I checked out every other episode because I've tried to fill two hours.

[00:22:18] I checked out every other episode of Mary Tyler Moore. And I got to the last episode and that's where Rhoda and Phyllis come back for that last episode. Oh, yeah. They do a surprise visit and the crowd goes nuts. And she didn't know they were going to be on. She didn't know that? She didn't know that? No, it was just a surprise. Okay. Supposedly it was a surprise. He said, oh, somebody's coming. So then all of a sudden the door opens.

[00:22:48] There comes Valerie Harper and there comes Cloris Leachman. And it's kind of like a surprise for Mary Tyler Moore to see them because she didn't know. That's why her reaction is like that. Supposedly. That's what I heard. That was a reaction. And then they just read the lines. So they were reading the lines, but they did it like they were like, you know, oh my God, I can't believe you don't know what happened, you know, like that. So, um, It's a little like Suzanne Plachette showing up on the last Newhart, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was a, that was a good one. I love you. The last episode is one.

[00:23:17] My favorite one is Chuckles Bites the Dust. Yes. That's, that's the classic, you know, it's like when you go back to Dick Van Dyke and you see the one where Alan Brady gets outed for wearing a toupee or the one where Laura finds out that the painting she posts naked for is being displayed in a museum or, or the one where every where the aliens come and they're like walnuts. And, you know, I mean, that's, that's some funny shit, you know, or the one really

[00:23:44] think Richie got switched with another baby and they meet a couple in the couples black. Oh, my God. I saw that one. In fact, I mean, that's some great shit, you know, on that one, I watched every, every first episode of Dick Van Dyke until I got to the last. Yeah. Every first episode of each season until I got to the last episode. And they even the last episode of Dick Van Dyke kind of recaps like previous episodes.

[00:24:12] And it brings up the black family again. Yeah. In that episode. There's, there's one episode I love where they did a Christmas episode. And they were like doing their own little stuff, you know, and like, you know, I think Larry Matthew sings the little drummer boy or something like that. And then the thing that gets me the most is there was one episode. They didn't have a laugh track. Wow. Do you know what that was? I have no clue. They filmed it. They filmed it.

[00:24:42] Two days after I think JFK was shot. And I think they didn't have a laugh track. I think that I, that's, I think that's something I read. Yeah. Dick Van Dyke show. It ended in 66. Did it? Yeah. And I'm trying to remember that last episode I watched. It wasn't every episode was still black and white up until even. Yeah. The very end. It started coming in about 67 or so.

[00:25:08] I mean, no, I can remember there was some color, but I can remember watching Superman going from black and white to color. And that was in the fifth. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I think. I think across the board color was late sixties. Yeah. CBS, CBS was being too chintzy with going with color, but they would have some shows, you know, come in and, but you know, that was something, something else, but I can remember Dick Van Dyke being black and white all the time, because if you watch, you know, Perry Mason was black and white.

[00:25:38] Twilight Zone was black and white, you know, you know, oh, and you want to know something really funny too. Rob had a brother. Who was the brother? Who's the brother on the show? Who's the brother? Who's Rob's brother? It wasn't his actual brother. Was it? It was his actual brother. Jerry Dan. Yeah. Wow. Of course. In the army. He was in the army. He brought his banjo over and Jerry and did were like, they were just, they had a good old time on that show.

[00:26:07] You know, that's what I love when his brother showed up, you know, and I'm like, Hey, that's his real brother. Yeah. That's his real brother. It's Jerry Van Dyke. So yeah. Yeah. But, um, you go back to the, the cohesiveness of the, of the Dick Van Dyke show. I'm wondering whether that's not a outcropping of the type of entertainer that Dick Van Dyke and Mary Tyler Moore are.

[00:26:31] Um, they, they, they came up at a time when you have, when I don't tell me it was still relatively new at that point, but they, but look at them. Um, I mean, especially Dick Van Dyke, he was more of a stage guy with, with stage productions. You have to be a lot more cohesive. You have to rely on everybody. You have to know what everybody's going to do. No, no, I know where everybody hits their marks.

[00:26:58] And I think that combined with his natural. Love of the theatrical really helped to bring a cohesiveness to the show and really any show that he did, even today, you can see him, you can see him well into his nineties still entertaining because that's what he loves to do. Mm hmm. Well, I can remember watching him in by by birdie and you know, my, my fit, my, my mother

[00:27:27] love musicals was, you put on by by birdie. I was watching it. And if you think about it, he's every time he's on this, he's the focal point. He's the focal point. And his big, his, if you watch him in some of the movies he did later, like, you know, divorce American style or cold Turkey, you know, he's the focal point of the whole thing. You know, he's, he's not, he's not trying to upstage anybody, but the way he, he just reacts with things is so fluid.

[00:27:57] You know, Gleason did that too. Gleason could do that. Yeah, definitely. Gleason could do that. But Gleason, Gleason was more broader, more physical. Dick Van Dyke would be like, like, what, what, what, what? You know, like, like, like you're putting me on, you know, like you would have that put on face about him and that's what made him so good, you know? And I, I, I'll, I'll, I'll watch Dick Van Dyke if it's the middle of the night and I'm up like on a weekend, I'll watch, I'll put Dick Van Dyke on and I'll still look at all the people.

[00:28:26] He, he, it's this thing that I always said, when you're the center of the show, right? You have to make everybody draw to you, but then you draw to them. It's like this, like give and take thing, you know? It really is. I think that's why it was so good was just, nobody was trying, obviously some of the women were combating each other, but everybody was, had enough things to do instead of you're only going to be here and be the butt of the joke. You're only going to do this or start the show or be the straight guy. You know?

[00:28:56] Yeah. You bring up a cold turkey and I, I really liked that movie. I watched it again. I haven't watched it in 20 years. I watched it again today on Pluto and I'm like, oh, I'm going to buy this movie. Nice. Um, it's a, it's, it had a good ensemble cast with it. Yeah. Um, um, for Bob Newhart was in it. Bob Newhart was in it. I think Jean Stapleton was in it. Yes, she was. She was. Yeah.

[00:29:24] Basically the town has to go cigarette free for, what is it? 30 days. Oh, and I forgot, you know, Bob Newhart's in it. So Tom posted, you know, and then they later go on to be in Newhart together. Yeah. Bob Newhart's kind of the villain in that, isn't he? Yeah, he is. Yeah. Which, which I kind of, kind of scratched my head at that a little bit, but. Yeah. Wasn't Bob Newhart an MTM production as well? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, yeah. It's good.

[00:29:51] Not his variety show, but the psychiatrist one. Yeah. Behind the scenes in a psychiatrist. Yeah. Yeah. And then it has the Randy Newman song, you know, he gives us all his love. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then, you mentioned Bob Newhart playing a villain. Dick Van Dyke played a villain in an episode of Columbo. Yes. Oh, wow. And he, that was. And I'll tell you, that, that was a, that was a culture shock for me with the first time I saw it, but the more. The camera.

[00:30:22] The ending of the camera. Yeah, exactly. But, but. The camera was the playoff. Yeah. Yeah. The more I watched it, the more I appreciated just the kind of depth he brought into it. He was playing completely against type. Was he really. He was able to pull it off. Was he really playing? Because I don't remember the episode. Did he really play like a really bad, bad guy? Yeah. He played murderer. He was a murderer. He was a murderer.

[00:30:47] But the one thing, there's a movie he did called The Comedian, which he played a Buster Keaton type character. True. And you feel nothing for pathos for this guy because he goes from being the top comedian. And Carl Reiner directed it. I remember Carl Reiner directed it. And he, he, when they did that, when he did that movie, it was basically a story about like, he was like Buster Keaton. Here he is at the top of his game.

[00:31:15] And then all of a sudden, you know, life starts to chip away at him. You know, his first marriage becomes, you know, you know, it's just the, it's just, you know, it's just a joke. The wife leaves him, you know, he, he basically drinks himself, you know, into poverty. You know, it's, it's basically a shadow of what Buster Keaton was doing when he was like at the top of his game. And also he was just a gag writer for MGM. You know, then everybody started rediscovering his movies and stuff like that. But yeah, that was, that was a good movie.

[00:31:42] And then if you remember after he did, after Dick Van Dyke, he did The Comedian. And I think he, then he did one of my favorite movies of all time. Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. Hmm. Yeah. What year was that movie? What? What year was that? 68? 68. No, I thought it was 68. The Child Catcher scared my little brother. I remember when I was on TV. Oh, the Child Catcher. Yeah. Robert Halpert. Oh God. He, he scared the crap out of me.

[00:32:10] And then I started reading how the kids, the kids, the kids would like go up with him and play with the phony nose that he had on. Yeah. Because that wasn't his real, that wasn't his real nose. It was a fake nose. But Dick Van Dyke said that one point they were filming a scene where he went around the corner and the horses lost control. And you know that cage that they had? Hmm. Well, what happened was Halpert was a dancer. What he did was he jumped up and basically catwalked across the freaking, the freaking cage

[00:32:39] as it was going off and then just jumped off. And Van Dyke was going, holy shit. You know, he couldn't believe it. Can you imagine though, like an alternate reality where he's only the guest star guy instead of the leading sitcom guy? I can't imagine that future. Well, oh, well, he did do, he did do diagnosis murder. And this is not a knock against actors who make a living to that. It'd just be so different. You know what I mean? Like, man. Yeah. Well, that's kind of along the lines of murder she wrote in a way, isn't it?

[00:33:09] With the way the plots came out. Yeah. JJ did. I loved it. I loved watching that show, Diagnosis Murder. Mm-hmm. You know. I have tape if I had this. Playing another movie where he played an alcoholic. I seem to remember seeing it. I think you're right. He and Mary Tyler Moore, weren't they also in like a PBS drama where they actually used some frank language or something? It was a more mature movie, I think. Yeah. But they used TV Sprank language though.

[00:33:39] No, they were. They actually say the F word five times. It made it on the TV tropes list of unusual censorship. I know that Dick Van Dyke did a movie about being an alcohol because he's an alcoholic. That might be the one. Is that where he winds up just destitute on the beach at the end? I think. Yeah. That's not the one. Yeah. That's another one. Okay. I guess he did have a drink. He had a drink. Yeah. He, you don't, when you're an alcoholic, you don't had, you don't, you still have one.

[00:34:08] You just have to learn to control it and stuff. And then what happened was he actually went up to cabin and talked about it. Okay. And talked about, and talked about the four, the four, the four, the four from Norwich going through somebody's house. Um, but, but the thing was, he, what was that? Yeah. No, no one was here. It was on my end. It was a, it was a sheriff moving across the kitchen floor.

[00:34:38] Okay. I thought it was someone in traffic honking. I couldn't share of it. What was it? I thought it was someone in traffic honking saying, I thought he said it was a sheriff moving across the kitchen. Nope. A chair. And I couldn't hit the mute button fast enough. So that's no, it's fine. I just, I just thought I was speaking by a sheriff this morning. So I got away with it. But yeah. Chitty, chitty, bang, bang, honking. Anyway. Meanwhile, back in the conversation.

[00:35:07] I remember him doing that movie where he was the alcohol and he, he wound up destitute on the beach. I do remember that. It's heartbreaking. I think it was a, it was a TV movie. Seems like. Yeah. Yeah. He did a, he did a movie with, uh, agent 99. Um, Fitzwillie. Was it Fitzwillie? Yeah. Fitzwillie. Fitzwillie is great. I love Fitzwillie. Oh, that's his love and his wife. Yep. Yep.

[00:35:36] He said, he did a Kevin Pollack chat show too. He really good on that. And good interview with him. Awesome. What did he do? He was on Kevin Pollack's show. Yeah. Well, he was on the Gilbert Gaffrey chat, the Gilbert Gaffrey podcast, which was, Oh, that's right. Yeah, that's right. You know, both of them, which I loved, you know, but yeah, I remember he's just, he's he had that quality about like he could, he could do.

[00:36:06] He can do that. You know, he could play drama and he could play straight. Mm hmm. And. I remember. Oh yeah. The comic came out in 69. Okay. So the conference. 69 came out. Uh, that's what cold. That's what they made. That's when they made. He said 69. Yeah. Yeah. That's when they made full Turkey, but it didn't come out to 72. Okay. Yeah. So.

[00:36:35] I think the first movie I ever saw in a theater was Mary Poppins. So I remember. Oh, really? To this day, I get this dream sensation of floating up and down. I think it's from seeing that scene in Mary Poppins when they take off on the carousel like. Yeah, I think, you know, I'm sure as a three year old, I think it's a lot of older, four year old, however old I was that left a image, you know. Um. It freaked you out, man. Yeah. So he had another.

[00:37:05] He had another show come out in 71 called the new Dick Van Dyke show. Yeah. And I was a minor. Did you ever see that syndicate or was it pretty much only on that one day? Okay. It was only on for three seasons, but he actually pulled the plug on it. He said, I don't want to do it. Okay. You know, but he, I remember I saw. Yeah. He was an alcohol businessman in the morning after. And that's when he revealed that he'd overcome a real life drinking problem for 25 years. Holy shit. Wow. Jesus.

[00:37:35] Well, he had another variety show with Andy Coffin. We were talking about. Yeah. Van Dyke and company. Van Dyke and company. I remember seeing the last episode and over the end credits, they said, due to our Nielsen ratings, we've been canceled. And you hear Dick mumbling to himself. I guess I go get an ice cream cone or something. Wow. Yeah. It's like, okay, we'll show you network, you know. We'll show you. It's actually a pretty good variety. It was a pretty good variety show. Anyway. I bet.

[00:38:02] So, so the original Dick Van Dyke show, you know, it runs for five years. It went, it wins 15 Emmys more than any at that time. It make in 2002 TV guide incorporates it onto the 50 greatest shows of all time at number 13. It updates it in 2013 to a total of 60 shows and it's number 20. What the hell TV guide? Well, you drop in rank here.

[00:38:28] Uh, two episodes are included by the writers guild of America is 100 greatest episodes of all time. They place it at number 14 on one of the 101 best written TV shows. So. Remember. I never saw any of the TV guide specials that TV landed in the early 2000s than any of you. Yeah, I might have recorded a few of those. It was like Ray Romano hosted one. Yeah.

[00:38:58] It was kind of meta because they got the Alan Brady show. I got a hundred greatest TV moments. I think. Yeah. It might have the, uh, the acorns coming out of the closet and that. Yeah. Or the, or the, or the one thing I think it was a black couple. Hmm. The baby. Yeah. I'll show you a baby. The, the one thing I love is that he was in.

[00:39:22] He's the only guy from the original Mary Poppins to appear in Mary Poppins returns because he played Burt and Mr. Mr. Dawes in that movie. And then he played Mr. Dawes Jr. Who was the son of the character that he played. Cause you remember. Yeah. So he's, he basically turns into, he's the old guy. You know, he's, he's, he's, he plays the old guy. And then he plays the old, the old guy's son who's older now, you know?

[00:39:52] So that was really funny. You don't see that. Wow. But, um, I love the fact that they brought him back. They were going to have, uh, Julie Andrews come back, but she couldn't, she didn't want to do it. She, she'd been there, done that, you know? So I think that was really. So what year was that then the Mary Poppins return thing? Hmm. Didn't you say something about Mary Poppins? What's that, Bill? Mary Poppins returns. Didn't you say? Not sure.

[00:40:21] What year was that? He was in that. 2016. Oh, okay. So it wasn't that long ago. No, but he, it was great to see him, you know, in the past. I think I remember the trailer, but yeah, I never saw the movie. Who played her? Who played Mary Poppins in that? Um, Emily Blunt. Emily Blunt. Okay. Frank Connors. Oh, that's right. Okay. Yeah.

[00:40:50] Who looked, who looked just like Julie Andrews, you know? I mean, I saw when she walked in and she had the hat on the hat. I'm like, did they get Julie Andrews? I'm like, no, no, that's Emily Blunt. I'm like, holy shit. You know, what'd you think they did some CGI or something? I thought they did some CGI. It wasn't uncommon at that time. You know, it was before Grand Moff, Tarkin and Rogue One, you know, it's just. Yeah. It's 2018. Excuse me. 2018. It came out. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:41:19] I remember seeing the trailer, but I never watched the movie. But. But. Yeah. The one, the one thing. The thing. Then when that ended. You know, he does this and then Mary Tyler Moore, I think was doing. She did a change of habit with Elvis Presley. I remember that. Oh, we're at the end. She decides between Jesus and Elvis. Yeah. Oh, she was going to. She's deciding. I haven't seen it. That's the last shot of the movie.

[00:41:47] She's sitting and looking at Jesus and looking at Elvis on stage. Who do I. Yeah. Who do I. I got a little thing. I got a little thing. I got a little thing. Hey Mary, get me a sandwich for you. Thank you very much. All right. Thank you. I got a little cheeseburgers. Just keep the nuts having on. I got a dirty fantasy. I don't think I'm a fool. Well, you know, some people think Elvis is God. So yeah. You know, not quite. I will. I will. Great philosopher. Bojo Nick. The late great Bojo Nixon. Elvis is everywhere. Yeah.

[00:42:15] I just played that yesterday in that book I was showing you. Yeah, that's that's amazing. I just I just played that song. First time I've ever heard it. It's funny. It's like it's like six minutes long. It's a good song. Best line from that. And the best front line was that we talked about the Bermuda Triangle. What is the. What is the. Are you. What going on the Bermuda Triangle. Elvis needs votes. No matter how many times I listen to that song.

[00:42:43] That always cracks me up. Well, the thing. The thing that gets me the most of us. Do you remember Dick Van Dyke doing the commercials for stop, drop and roll? Oh, yeah. Oh, my word. And then. And then he did. Then he was doing. Toy commercials like he was like, he was showing you toy commercials like one of them was shoots away. It's on the Internet somewhere. You got to find it.

[00:43:09] One of them is shoots away and the other one was Hollywood Stunt Set where you could actually it was like an old Western thing. So you can have like the guy fall down, you know, through the collapsible door and you know, you pull the string back and the guy goes through the part, you know, the double swing doors, you know, I mean, I can remember him doing those, those fire fire prevention commercials when I was. Or you don't like the wires under the rug. I remember that. Yeah. And remember, kids, put your head, put the outer.

[00:43:40] Yep. Put the outer side of your hand by a door. If it's hot, don't touch the knob. But if it's cool, open the door. Now, remember, fire, smoke rises up, get near to the floor and crawl your way out. I remember just like thinking this. I was like, holy shit, you know, after there's a fire, I'll just, you know, I don't know what to do because Dick Van Dyke told me what to do, you know. Yeah, but that's just Hollywood talking. You got to think of yourself, man.

[00:44:10] Yeah, but don't listen to what they got to say because I don't know. Yeah. Oh, well, the fire prevention people were there. I was like, no, man, that's bullshit. Yeah, they're in the back pockets of big fire. Fake news. But, you know, when you think about Mary Tyler Moore's show and you think about what she was putting out at that time, she was up, her and Grant Tinker were like, you know, the bee's knees.

[00:44:37] I mean, it was like, it was like, you got to think Gary Marshall, Norman Lear, right? No. Who else? Bud Yorkin and Sal Turletown, you know, they were the guys that did, you know, what's happened in Sanford and Son. And then you had Mary Tyler Moore. She had, you know, the Mary Tyler Moore show, the Bob Newhart show, WKRP in Cincinnati, Lou Grant. And, you know, she had proven winners at that time, you know.

[00:45:07] And, you know, she did Newhart too, you know, when the cat would go meow like that, you know. Yeah. And then after all that, that does, she does ordinary people. Yes. Yes. And that was actually the first role I ever saw her in other than Dick Van Dyke, believe it or not. Yeah. Yeah. You want to talk reverse chronological order. That's kind of how I was introduced.

[00:45:35] So, Tom and Gil, have you seen Tyler Moore's HBO Max documentary? I have not. I saw it listed, but I hadn't watched it. I think you're going to love it. Rob Reiner does a lot of the narration and it felt qualified. Like, believe it or not, the director of the documentary who had often done a lot of 30 for 30 type docs became so interested in the subject matter. Like he wanted to make sure, you know, this wasn't as, you know, passable.

[00:46:04] He really wanted to make sure that let's find the exact scene that all the interviewees are talking about and let's line it up while they narrate over it. You know, just don't. And it really is a good doc. It's not workmanlike. It's not just a lazy clip show. It really is very compelling. I. And what was the name of this again? Was it? Uh. Being Mary Tyler Moore doc.

[00:46:31] So I think I remember seeing it, but I saw it on Amazon Prime and I didn't watch it because you had to buy it if you wanted to watch it. Yeah. Yeah. So being Mary Tyler Moore. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Um, I think I also love this because this is just like so vulnerable and you know, I do kind of like this.

[00:46:54] I would even say Mary Tyler Moore is probably a big opening up just to the feminist voice and everything to just that because that was kind of the only voice you had prior to all the tough gal, you know, TV shows, you know, all the other Ally McBill type. Like office comedies, you know, it's like so she was also kind of like the first woman in the workplace kind of show. Wasn't she? Yeah.

[00:47:18] And I mean, they would talk about is like, you're my boss, but I actually care about you. Don't do that, you know, and yeah, I don't think there was that girl, which was kind of frivolous. And there was Julia. Yeah. Yeah. Carol, single mom. Yeah. Um, prior to that. Um, Oh, there's one thing. I don't know. Yeah. One of my favorite Dick Van Dyke ones. See, see if you remember this, uh, JJ. Um, yiddy ups. Yiddy ups.

[00:47:48] What? Yiddy ups. What was it? Yiddy ups. Oh God. I don't, I don't remember that shit. They hear this weird sound. What was it? They're working late and they hear this yiddy ups, yiddy ups in the building. Yeah. It's been the entire episode. Yeah. What it is. No one knows what it means. You don't remember that one? Oh man. Oh, I don't remember that. It got kind of surreal for a Dick Van Dyke show. Yeah. I can't remember. It was some guy was experimenting with something on another floor.

[00:48:18] Well, they thought it was flying saucer at one point. Oh yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That noise. And then they find out some guys like in another, in another part of the building and he just keeps making that noise all the time. Well, I think it was like a little flying saucer that he created. Yeah. Yeah. He flew it outside the building. So they didn't actually see a flying saucer. Yeah. There was a logical explosion. It was kind of a cool off the wall episode, you know, right there in the acorns in the closet one too. Wow.

[00:48:48] You know, you don't, you don't get to me the most though. Like when you think about like those shows that Mary Tyler Moore had as a production, they were ensemble shows. Yes. Yeah. They knew what they need to put together. Like if you look at Newhart, right. You have a great cast with, you know, Bill Daly, you know, Susan Plachette, who played the, the, the, the frigging dentist, Jerry, the dentist.

[00:49:17] Uh, he's the director later. I can see him. Yeah. You have the woman who played. Peter Bonners. Peter Bonners. You have, uh, Carol, the receptionist played by. Marcia Wallace. Marcia Wallace. Marcia Wallace. Marcia Wallace. Marcia Wallace. And then, and then he got the greatest, the greatest fucking asshole patient in the world. Mr. Carlin. Yeah. Because he was such a, he was such a shit and you loved him, you know, I don't like

[00:49:47] you and I don't like anybody about, you know, and that was Bill, that was, um, who was that? He played Mr. Carlin. Oh, uh. He played Mr. Carlin. Been on other stuff too. Yeah. Oh yeah. I can't remember his name either, but I'll get it. I'll get it. We all get it. Hold on. Mr. Carlin. That guy was in that thing. Oh, I remember a nerdy or old Jack Riley, Jack Riley. Whoa. There was like a nerdy or older patient too. Yeah.

[00:50:15] That was, um, John. He was the voice of a piglet. Oh yeah. Really? He was in cold turkey too. Or no, not cold turkey. He was in Fitzwillie. He was in Fitzwillie, but he, he always played kind of nerdy guys. He was also in, um, Star Trek. Um, yeah, he was the evil. Yeah. The wolf, the one where Jack, Jack, Jack, the Ripper. Sure. I remember he had one of the strangest lines I've ever heard on TV where he says, I didn't want to get my wife a dress for Christmas.

[00:50:44] I didn't know what size. So I got her a stretch dress. It's like, wow. You just made this up. That's an actual line. I love the one where, where he finds out one of the patients is gay and he's like, he's like, uh, well, well, well, well, what was, well, cause you know, you can't, you can't, he's like, oh no, no, don't worry, Dr. Harley. I'm not attracted to you. He's like, oh, okay. Okay. No problem.

[00:51:11] He's like, yeah, Mr. Mr. Carlin, Jack Riley's character appears in new heart. So a lot of people I know say that's the clue that new heart is the dream. Okay.

[00:51:30] Because if, if, if Bob, if Bob Hartley is dreaming about Mr. Carlin subconsciously and you know the fact that the psychiatrist says, oh, who's the quack you saw in Chicago? No. And then you're kind of thinking, okay, so this, this kind of sets up everything for the ending of the show. But of course we don't, we know, but that's, but that's a big speculation.

[00:51:58] You know, that's that, that scene where he pops up as Mr. Carlin, you know, how early in the show did he appear on new heart? Oh my God. It had to be maybe the, because it wasn't ready, man. You know, they came up with that ending probably that year for the show. Yeah. Well, for the, for the new heart show that came up in 89, 90, but he appeared to think

[00:52:27] maybe two seasons before that. But a lot of people think that's how that's a little bit of a clue with Jack Riley showing up. They didn't even think of the thing up, but a lot of people have noticed it. Well, that's a little clue. That's a little clue. Cause how, you know, when he says the dreams, but then they would go back, you know, everybody goes back and they're like, oh yeah, it's like, it's like watching the JFK tape. Oh, you know, oh, wait, no, that happened there. And I, so I, I kind of think, yeah, they, they did as a little tribute for Bob Newhart, you know, the Bob Newhart show.

[00:52:56] But a lot of people said, no, that's the, that's the little trick. They know what's going to happen in the end. You know, I don't think they were thinking that far in advance for that. No, I don't think so neither, to be honest with you, but I just keep thinking. It's one of those happy acts. It wasn't planned, man. It just happened. But I, I love the, I love the one on Murphy Brown where Marsha Wallace was the secretary. It was Carol, the secretary. And then Bob Newhart comes in and says, Carol, Carol, I need you back at the office. What's the matter, Bob?

[00:53:27] Well, everything's gone. Everything's gone to the pot. You know, Jerry doesn't know what to do. And you know, the new secretary actually walked out within like three days. And I don't know what, you know, all my patients are like leaving and they're coming, you know, I don't know what to do. And like, he says, I'll pay you double about what you got. I'll pay you triple. I'll pay you four times what you got. Okay, Bob, I'm going back to the office right now. That, that, that was great too.

[00:53:50] And then you had WKRP, which was, I think one of the best casts put together. You know, absolutely. You know, you have, you've got Tim Reed, Howard Hessman, John Boehner, John Bonner. No relation. Frank Bonner. Who was the one who played Les Nesman? Frank Bonner. Frank Bonner. Frank Lesman was played by. Les Nesman. Richard Sanders. Richard Sanders.

[00:54:19] You've got Howard Hessman as Dr. Johnny Fever. You've got, who is it? Um, Lonnie Anderson and. Baby girl. Jan Smith. Yeah. Jan Smithers. So that whole thing was, that thing is a great ensemble too. And that was based off of FM. Kind of in a way. If you ever see the movie FM. Yeah. I think it's better than FM. I think, I think it's way better than FM. FM. FM was great. And here's the thing about.

[00:54:48] FM radio is amazing, man. Oh, different one. My bad. And after. And here's the thing about. KRP that people don't realize. The creator says that everything that happened in the shows actually happened or when he had somebody tell him about things that happened. Well, the turkey had been dropped out of a. The. Part of the show. Yeah. Oh, the turkey dropped. Jesus. That's a Thanksgiving given. That's a given on Thanksgiving, you know? Yeah. I swear to God.

[00:55:18] But those are all true stories or at least. Yeah. He said they were true. Partially inspired. Yeah. My favorite though, is the one where. They give Johnny a drunk test on the air and he gets better. Yes. And then, and then Herb is the. WKRP. Carp is a big fish. And he gets in a fight in a men's room with the WPIG pig. Yeah. You also have a shot of him crawling under the door. Cause he doesn't, you can't, he doesn't have a dime to pay to get in the bathroom. There's this big fish.

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[00:57:13] Yeah. That those are, those are really, really good drum dramatic episodes. And they've got a couple. Yeah. You got to watch the one where, um, Venus fly trap is in this closet with this gang member, right? He doesn't want to. Yeah. He teaches him. He teaches him. He teaches him about the Adam. That one made me cry. That was so, that was really good. Tim Reed, Tim, Tim Reed is that Venus fly trap comes on some like, you know, cool, funky guy,

[00:57:42] but he is smart. Yeah. He is smart. I don't care what Tim Reed could, Tim Reed, I could listen to Tim Reed, you know, talk about particle. I'd be like, Oh man, man, I get it. You know, but you know, that's the thing. He, he, it was, it was all these like double, like these, like you find out her, Tarlick, you know, he may be, you know, he's, he's a, he's a woman, but he really loves his wife,

[00:58:07] Lucille, you know, and, you know, Gordon jumps character, you know, is, you know, maybe this great station, but he's really afraid of his mother, you know? True. And, you know, and that was, that's what made, there was a lot of dualities in the thing. That's what made like Mary Tyler Moore show so good. You know, like, you know, Murray Slaughter, great news, man. But, you know, the episode where he calls up the station to complain about them cutting a scene out of the Marx Brothers movie, Animal Crackers. Yeah.

[00:58:37] And he gets it, you know, he's, he's, he says, well, do you tell the station manager? Yeah. Like the station manager is like, you know, who said what about that? You know? And then, you know, you find out that, you know, Ted Knight's character, Ted Baxter, is you know, looks as well, but he's a stupid idiot. Well, that's Ted Knight in every movie. That's, but I mean, the thing we've got is that. I love it. I'm a person in Caddyshack. Oh, oh, oh.

[00:59:07] And a 5,000 watt radio station in Fresno, California. Frank Caliando used to do a perfect Ted Knight impression. Oh, oh, oh, oh. I love, I love his line in Caddyshack. Oh, oh, oh. I love his line in Caddyshack where he goes, Don't you have homes? Yeah. Don't you have homes? That might be my favorite line in the whole movie. I love that movie. And that's before he does his bizarre fight. Oh, oh, oh.

[00:59:34] Seize the grin when your ship comes in and you've got the stock market beat. But the man who's worthwhile is the man who can smile when his pants are too tight to see. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Chris in the boat. Chris in the boat, pookie. Chris in the boat, pookie. How about the episode where Lou gets along with Ted because he's the only one that visited him in the hospital? He had like a gallbladder stone or something removed.

[01:00:04] Ted made a paperweight out of it. And then he gets on the air and says, my boss was in the hospital to remove this. And he holds up the paperweight. And then you see Lou Grant's hands reaching off camera. Don't come from him like Bart and Homer. Yeah, with Mary Tyler Moore, like I said, I went first episode of each season. And there was one episode where they team him up with the guy from Good Times. Don Amos?

[01:00:34] Don Amos. Don Amos who just passed away. Rest in peace. Rest in peace, John. Gordy the weatherman. Gordy the weatherman. Well, that's right. Yeah. He was on there. But yeah, so they were trying to like do some damage control with him by putting him as a co-host with Amos' character. Yep. And it just snowballed and went off the rails from there.

[01:01:01] I love the episode where he's doing this. It's just handed to me. You have something on your teeth. Do you guys also know the original lyrics for Dick Van Dyke's show? No. No. So you think that you got trouble. Well, trouble's a bubble. So tell old Mr. Trouble to get lost. Oh, good. Why not hold your head up high and stop crying? Start trying.

[01:01:31] And don't forget to keep your fingers crossed. When you find the joy of living is loving and giving, you'll be there when the winning dice are tossed. A smile is just a frown that's turned upside down. So smile and that frown will defrost. And don't forget to keep your fingers crossed. That is a great way to get an instrumental. Yeah. It's just that kind of dope. I think I'd rather hear the lyrics. We got royalties for that. Correct.

[01:02:00] Even though they didn't have the. I think so. I don't. Yeah. So, you know, too, that you never heard. Yeah. Roddenberry played dirty tricks. Well, you want to know something really weird. The guy who wrote the theme song for Mary Tyler Moore was one of the crickets, Sonny Curtis. Whoa. And there's two versions of that song. Yeah. How will you make it on your. Who can turn the world on with her smile? Because that was the later one. How will you make it on your own? That was the first like maybe two seasons. Yeah.

[01:02:29] And then after that, it was, you know, who can turn the world on with her smile? Who can take a nothing day and suddenly make it all seem worthwhile? Because if you grow and you should know it. And every little movement and glance that you show it. Love is all around. Don't need to take it. You can handle the run. Why don't you take it? Husker do did a version of that song on one of their EPs. Sweet. Love is all around. I thought it was the truck. Like, wait a minute. Hang on.

[01:02:56] And then I heard it on the real world when they were when they just played it as like background music. Like, holy crow. And I realized Husker juice from Minnesota, which is where WJM is, you know, WJM. WJM station manager. I wanted to get it done. I wanted to get a WJM t-shirt like a couple of years ago, just to wear it around the office to be like, what's WJM? Oh, that's where Ted Baxter is.

[01:03:21] And Lou Grant and Murray Slaughter and Sue Ann Nivens and Mary, Mary Richards. People are going to go like, what the fuck? What are you on? What's he talking about? Isn't there a scene in the opening credits where she's grocery shopping and kind of looks at, kind of tosses it back into the basket. Like, I can't believe I'm paying this for that. I think the Rockford files, Garner does the same thing. I think he was. Oh, Mike Post is taking notes. Yeah.

[01:03:50] A little reference to the credits. Yeah. You know who was on that show that was supposed to play Ted Baxter, but they didn't want was Jack Cassidy. Jack Cassidy played Ted Baxter's brother and Ted just hates him. You know, but the one I love is Eric Braden. Mr. Broadway. Eric Braden shows up as a newscaster. He was a real egotistical asshole.

[01:04:19] Eric Braden was a, he's the soap guy, right? He's in the soap. Yep. Young and the Restless. He was also an episode, episode NST 3K known as, um, Upbridge and Diamond Head. Oh, my God. And he was in a Head. And he's in a Planet of the Apes movie. He's also in Escape from the Planet of the Apes. Wow. He plays the doctor. But Eric, Eric Braden is his real name. His real name was something else. He just changed it. I think I'm on Rap Patrol.

[01:04:49] Rap Patrol is a different name. Yeah, yeah. He was in Den of Thieves for Gerard Butler recently. Yeah. But. And he's older than Dirt, but yeah, I always knew him as that German. German guy from Colossus Rap Patrol. Yeah. You're saying he was playing Ted Baxter's brother? He was, he was, no, no, that was Jack Cassidy. Oh, okay. Jack Cassidy. He played Ted, like he, he basically was a bigger asshole in Ted. But at the end. Someone has to do it. But at the end.

[01:05:20] He basically, he's like, you know, I don't like you. And Sue Ann Niven gives him a pie and she's, and she's like, and she goes, Sue Ann, don't, don't, don't, don't do it. Don't do it. And then Ted Baxter's comes along and goes like this, just takes the pie and shoves it right in his face. Yeah. You got, you got to watch it. And a side note. Does anybody really believe that Jack Cassidy would do comedy willingly? He did do he and she. He did do he and she. For that one season. That was probably just to get laid though. I mean. Yeah.

[01:05:51] He never really struck me as somebody who could do comedy. He just, he took himself way too seriously. I felt. Yeah. He had every soap star though, to be fair. No, no. Jack Cassidy was a Broadway star, but he was. He did take himself. He was just a real jerk. My, my, my mom's cousin. Uh, was that a. TV taping one time back in the fifties or the sixties. Oh my word. It was. But she said Jack Cassidy, she wanted to get Jack Cassidy's autograph.

[01:06:20] And he went, he just went, I'll give autographs. Go away. And Bill Cullen came up. Bill Cullen came over and said, do you want an autograph? And she looked like she not even had a, he's like, I'll give you my autograph. And Bill Cullen signed her autograph, but Jack Cassidy was a real asshole. And when he died, he died. Yeah. He died. Smoking in bed. He just smoked. He was smoking in bed and dropped a cigarette and burn himself up. Yeah. I had to look up his picture. Cause I couldn't remember. Way to go out and sell man.

[01:06:50] Burn baby. Burn. David looked like him. David. Look, if you see David, David Cassidy looked like his father, you know, and David Cassidy is his son. Yep. I didn't know that. As Sean Cassidy. Yeah. Sean Cassidy. Sean Cassidy. Yes. Yeah. David Cassidy's his son with his first wife. Okay. They got divorced. He married Shirley Jones. Shirley Jones and him had Sean. And there was another kid that they had.

[01:07:21] So they had three kids. What? No, Skippy. She's Cassidy. I knew it was at some gunfight somewhere. Yeah. That's why that's where, that's how we got the cartoon deal. Yeah. But you can't see Sundance kids. But the, the thing that blows my mind is like, like if when you watch Sundance kid, how about the gun dance? The gun dance kids. Oh shit. The gun dance kids. They are the NRA. Oh.

[01:07:50] Now we're getting into anime. Oh, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho. But I've been, I've, I've, I think my favorite moment, one of my, my, my favorite moments is like Lou tells Murray, Ted tells Murray a knock, knock joke. Says, Hey, you want to hear a knock, knock joke? Yes. No, Ted. I don't want to hear a knock, knock joke. Knock, knock. Okay. Ted, who's there? Anna Maria. Anna Maria, who? I don't know, but I'll get back to you on it. Right?

[01:08:19] So at the end, they're sitting at the bar. Right? And. Oh, my word. You want, you want to hear a, you want to hear a joke? You want to hear a joke Lou? No, Ted, don't tell him the joke, Ted. It's almost like a precursor to the, uh, what's it called? It's almost like the, you want to hear an annoying noise in dumb and dumber. Yeah. So, so Ted tells the joke. He's like, and knock, knock. Who's there, Ted?

[01:08:48] And he said, Anna Maria. Anna Maria who? Anna Maria Albighetti, get me a taxi, honey, and I'll meet you down. And they start singing this old song. And every, I know that song. Hey, honey, won't you meet me downstairs in a taxi? So, Anna Maria Albighetti, get me, get me in a taxi with me, honey. That's a joke. That's a, that's the knock, knock joke. And he's like, he's like, and, and him and Mary starts singing the song together. Wow.

[01:09:18] So it shows you, you know, it's, it shows you like, there's the comedy and then there's the series part of comedy where you get the joke at the end, like, what he meant by that, you know? Yeah. But, you know, I just think that that show is just so good. And then the ending, the last episode, when they start singing, it's a long way to Tipperary. Yeah. And they're all, they're all crowded, each other crying. It's just, somebody has to get a tissue. They have to refer tissue. And they all just like walk over to the desk and grabs the tissue. You know?

[01:09:48] And Ted's the only one that doesn't get fired. Ted's the only one who doesn't get fired. Do you remember the one where Ted and Mary were on the road for something and he's married to Georgette and a woman's coming onto him and he's trying to get Mary to talk him out of it. And she tells Ted that you will burn in hell if you do that. She didn't care. She didn't care that much about Ted. Yes. You're not going to do that. You will burn in hell.

[01:10:18] No one messes with me. Yeah. Oh, God. Oh. So what do you like more? Mary or Dick? Mary. That's a personal question. Don't you think? I'm a personal. Mary. Tom. Hi. I like Mary a lot better. Mary. Mary had, even though Reiner created that series and you know, it's the standout series for him. He went above and beyond the page.

[01:10:48] You want to be on the page? You know, Mary went above and beyond that. I can't imagine anyone else in either role. Well, there was a reason why her show lasted two years longer than Dick Van Dyke's show. Why? Better PR. Well, well, the cast. When your husband. When your husband's the president of CBS programming. Yeah. Uh, you know, you're not canceling lash. Oh, it wasn't because of talent. No. No, it's talent. Oh, it's how.

[01:11:18] No, no, no. Yeah. Grant Tinker. Now you make me want to use that SpongeBob thing. No, no, no. I think that I think the head of programming at CBS at that time. And they were like the power couple. Back when they actually wanted sitcoms instead of just nonstop. Yeah. Who killed who? But, but that's, that's what it was. You know, there was that, there was that thing where, but the thing was, you know, Mary knew when to stop. You know, that was the thing.

[01:11:47] You know, she, she started out with the long hair, you know, and the, and the, you know, the mini dress, you know, and, you know, the famous, you know, you've got spunk. I hate spunk. I hate spunk. And, you know, she said, we're going to stop it here. And that's it. You know, that's, that's all we're going to stop here. That's what I really loved about the documentary is like, see those tears when they're all saying goodbye, those were real. It wasn't just them acting. It wasn't just that.

[01:12:16] But the thing I always loved too, is like on the, when they would do like the love boat or something like that. They would, you know, Gavin McLeod was of course, you know, Captain Steubing and he jumped, you know, they, they put him on. But the thing was, if you watch the episodes, like sometimes they would have Ted Knight on, they'd have Georgette on. They'd have a, I know that Ed, Ed Asner didn't do it cause he was doing Luke Grant at the time, but they would Georgette on.

[01:12:41] They would have, you know, somebody who did a, you know, guest shot on the show, you know, but that's funny cause there's one episode where Ted Knight plays the captain of one ship and Gavin McLeod's the captain of, of the, you know, the, the, the princess. And, you know, it's like, it's like, it's like, and they're doing like a dog race, right? They're doing like a dog race. And it's like, also I'm watching, I'm like thinking to myself, oh, this is really funny. Holy shit. Wait, it's Murray Slaughter and Ted Knight. You know? Wow.

[01:13:11] A dramatic love boat where you find out Steubing had a, a drinking problem at one time. And he did in real life. Okay. He did in real life. He taught, he talked about it. He said, yeah, I was an alcoholic. That was the episode where they had the class reunion and Raymond Burr was the English teacher who everybody loved, but he was a drunk.

[01:13:36] And he, he basically, he told, Steubing tells the story about how one night he was drunk and he was driving home, driving to the ship. And he almost hit a little boy in the street. Yeah. And he, he, he, he got on the boat and he said that day I decided to sober up, you know? And, you know, it was a really good, good episode, you know? But the thing, the thing is great though.

[01:14:02] It's like, you know, you watch that, you watch Mary Tyler Moore for those seasons it was on. You can tell it's, it, it gels, you know? It's the same thing with Dick Van Dyke. It gels. Everything gels. You know? You know, but that ensemble cast for Mary Tyler Moore, you know, there was a reason they all spun off into their own show. Those were so many of them. Right. Yeah. Because the, the success that they had as a group, you know, they could carry on solo wise, you know? Yeah.

[01:14:33] Lou, Lou Grant had a great cast, you know? Ted Knight had a good cast. You know, the Ted Knight show, then Too Close for Comfort had a good cast. And there's the well, yeah. You know, Phyllis was a great cast. Is there, doesn't every sitcom have a Phyllis though? Well, here's his, Phyllis, I love the beginning, you know, they sing this song, you know, Phyllis, Phyllis, it sure isn't you.

[01:15:02] And she gets to look through the camera like, you asshole. Yeah. Yeah. I'll tell you what. But you look at Rhoda, Rhoda was on for like five seasons. And I love Rhoda, you know, because Rhoda was like, Rhoda reminds me of this girl I went to school with, Julie Deitch. Because Julie would always wear like something on her head, like a schmuck, like, you know, that thing that Rhoda would do. And I said, Julie, you're like Rhoda. And she looked at me and she says, what? I said, you're like Rhoda. She's like, what are you talking about?

[01:15:32] I would come up with like these like really weird. You guys, you guys know this. I'd come up with these pop culture references for people. I don't know what you're talking about. I said, ask your mom about Rhoda with Valerie Harper. Oh, you mean the girl who was on the Harper, you know, the Hogan. No, no, no, no. Ask her about Rhoda. Just do it. And just do it. And this is before you, you remind me of Rhoda. And she's like, oh, okay.

[01:16:00] So I said, I said, I said to her mother, I said, you know, Mrs. D, your daughter reminds me of Rhoda sometimes. You think so? Yeah, I know so. You know. She said it that way. No, thanks. Yeah. And let's, in Rhoda, she was moving back to New York, right? Yeah. She was moving back to New York. And Julie Kavner played her sister, Brenda. And Lorenzo, you think, played Carlton the doorman? It's just Carlton, number 24-hour doorman.

[01:16:30] Mm-hmm. I forgot about Carlton, yeah. Didn't he do, like, Garfield or something? Yeah, he did. He did. He did. He did. Yep. Wow. And he created Rhoda with Lorenzo music. Because if you look, it's, like, created by Lorenzo music. And I think it was Babalu Mandel or something like that. Or Lowell Gans and him did it. Yeah. So the great thing is, you know, you've got Lorenzo Llamas playing, you know, Carlton.

[01:16:54] And I found out later, there was a Carlton cartoon that came out. What? I have a reference here. Yeah. There was. Wow. Carlton, you're a doorman. Yeah. I remember there was an episode where Mary got a new friend and Rhoda was Jewish. Yeah. And she finds out her friend is anti-Semitic. Yes.

[01:17:23] Oh, yeah. Of course, you know, you know that we're okay with this. And she, she pretty much told her to get lost by the end of the episode. That was kind of a good episode. Oh, God. I remember that. I remember that. That's why, again, that's like you guys have been pointing out. I love when sitcoms can just bring out uncomfortable stuff and just say, hey, you know, it's never okay. I didn't like the one from Different Strokes. Wow. But I mean, like, think of Fresh Prince of Bel-Air when he meets his dad finally. You know, like, I love.

[01:17:53] Um, Mr. Carlson's a perv. Well, that's what you get when you had the monkey on your foot. Oh, my God. That's a WCRP reference, kids. Oh, I love it. I think, I think the thing I, the thing I love the most is like, when you, when I've watched Rhoda, like, I remember like, the beginning was, you know, my name is Rhoda Morgenstern. I was pointing out, my mother said that the world, the second world of war happened because of me.

[01:18:23] And then you, they showed her as a, as a teenager, you know, a little girl and a teenager growing up. And the thing with Rhoda was, Rhoda's the really first body, like the first woman who has like body dysmorphia. Because if you remember, she was really heavy as a kid. She's really heavy as a kid. Then she thins out. And yeah, she keeps, she keeps it because she's fat. And then what happens is she enters a beauty contest and she takes like first place. She's like, Mary, that's the first time anyone said I was beautiful.

[01:18:51] You know, and I'm like sitting there, like my heart's breaking because I'm like, holy shit. I can't believe this, you know, and you know, it just reminds you of sexism in the workplace. No, it reminds you of what people, some people are just damn right assholes. Well, that's what I mean. But it's like, but also just the whole, just acting like you are any lesser because you haven't received a certain compliment. And it's just like, no, you can still live. You can still exist and be happy.

[01:19:20] And I do find it interesting just looking at just any jokes that are made about appearances nowadays. Cause we've all had that at some capacity. We've had someone just say something just so shitty. You're like, really? You're making me think I'm married with children now. Yeah. Yeah. That wouldn't fly today. No, probably not. No, but I love the beginning of Roto.

[01:19:49] I moved, I moved to New York city. My mother still thinks of this is the time I ran away from home. And I moved to Minneapolis because I think I keep well in the warm, in the cold weather. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's great. That's, that's good sense of humor there, you know, but I, you know, Roto was great. You know, Lou Grant was great. You know, Betty White's show was great. It was only for one season. You know, you got to think, you know, it's the, the, the, the whole, it's this thing about gelling.

[01:20:20] Yes. And you can tell when a cast gels and you can tell a cast doesn't gel. Mm-hmm. And Mary Tyler Moore had had, and the thing is, Mary Tyler Moore had had that in two spots. She had it with Dick Van Dyke and she had it with her show. Mm-hmm. And that was the great thing about it. The cast gelled together, you know. Yes.

[01:20:42] But you guys know the story about, she was worried about Mary Tyler Moore getting, being, the Mary Tyler Moore show being canceled or getting low ratings. You know why? Mm-hmm. They thought people would think that Mary, that Rob, that Laura Petrie had divorced Rob Petrie and moved out on her own. Yes. Yeah. They were going to make her character divorce, but not that.

[01:21:07] Well, that's, I think, well, they brought in the episode, the first episode about a boyfriend that she's leaving because she waited for two years for him to propose. Yeah. Yeah. And I remember, yeah. That I remember, you know. And Lou shows up drunk at her apartment typing alert. Because he misses his wife. Yeah. Oh, man. Oh. Oh.

[01:21:36] I just, that to me is like the best age of the 19th, you know. That's what I miss about television. Every sitcom now. I mean, Young Sheldon, yeah. Big Bang Theory, yeah. Those worked. Seinfeld worked. You know. But you can all trace it back. Seinfeld was the 90s, you know. What? Well, it was just like, they were the perfect shows for the times they were in. Yeah.

[01:22:04] That's the other thing you got to remind everyone, too, is like a sitcom served a purpose back then. And sometimes we risk getting into that. It was like, well, yes, this exists. But are you really going to remember it when it's all said and done? You know. It's like. Didn't Betty Ford come up on a Mary Taylor Moore episode? Didn't who? Betty Ford. Betty Ford? Betty Ford, maybe. I think she might have. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:22:33] I think it had something to do with. Walter Cronkite. I know. I know. I know. Johnny Carson, too. But I think there was a power outage. You just heard his voice. Hmm. I'm not mistaken. Yeah. Or maybe that was Walter. But I love the one with Ted. Walter. No, Walter Cronkite. Ted Mises. I'll tell Walter, you want to talk about a shop? You know, I'm going this way, you know.

[01:23:03] And I think Walter Cronkite goes, who is that guy? You know. I just love doing Ted Max. It all began for me at a 50,000 watt stadium. Radio station in Fresno, California. Oh, God. Oh, man. And Murray couldn't stand him. But I think there's a couple times where Murray, you could tell Murray

[01:23:31] really liked Ted deep down or something. Yeah. Yeah. He'd be in there. That's the thing with Murray. Murray would just, you know, be a sarcastic knob to him. But he did like Ted. You know, he liked Ted. And, you know, even Ted would mispronounce something like, you know, such a simple word. And, like, you know, Murray would be like, oh, God, he did it again. He'd be watching the news.

[01:23:59] I just remember Sue Ann Niven's The Christmas Party when they were all mad at each other. And they're trying to get him to sing. And Luke just goes, trying to get him to sing 12 Days of Christmas. And Luke just goes, three French hands. Three French hands. And then it ends near the end. George, that breaks into Silent Night when they were all. Yeah. And everybody stops. Drops. Yeah.

[01:24:26] But I love the episode where Sue Ann cheated with Phyllis's husband, Lars. And she's like, you know, how nice a lady like to bake. And she turns around. I've got a souffle. I've got a souffle bake in the oven. And, like, Phyllis turns around and just slams the door, like, five times. And then Betty White comes over and just lifts up her knee and, boom, hits it with her. Hits the oven with her.

[01:24:56] And that's just it. Physical comedy. You never saw Lars, did you? That was one of those. No, Lars was off camera. And then he found out later he died. So that was kind of a precursor to Home Improvement doing the next door neighbor. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You never saw his entire face. You never saw his. It's up to the imagination. Somebody at work say, all you saw is. No, you don't. You never see his. You really don't. Can you name the actor? No, you can't. Yeah. Well, I know. I know what he looks like.

[01:25:26] I've seen him in things, but I can't think of what they are offhand right now. I feel like his eyes. You never saw his entire face. Who was the other? There's another thing. I mean, it kind of reminds me of how, like, you never saw Frazier's wife, Phyllis, for the longest time. And then you did finally see her. But for the longest time, it was kind of up to the imagination. Oh, Niles. No, Niles's wife. That's what it was. Yes. You never saw Niles's wife. Niles's wife. Yes.

[01:25:56] Right. But you would. Maris. Maris. You've never seen Maris for the longest time. But he would always tell you things like, and you know how Maris is when she doesn't eat for five hours? You know, who the fuck did you marry? You know. Right. Someone from hell. He gets a dog and the dog is reminding everybody in his family of Maris. Yeah. Because it's a thin, like, greyhound dog. And I related to it a lot because one of my uncles married someone who was, you know,

[01:26:25] from hell. Yeah. It was one of those, like, to torture us, she wouldn't let him come over to our house. Just total psychopath. And he found out way too late she doesn't actually like you. And, like, if he was doing anything for his own enjoyment, she's like, you gotta throw that away. So, yeah, just terrible person. So, I, that wasn't funny, though. But I think sitcoms were a good way of just kind of, they didn't downplay it, but they just

[01:26:54] made light of, everybody has that one member no one ever even wants to talk about. Yeah. Instead of even hiring an actor to play it, it's like, yeah. Yeah. I, it's almost like the briefcase in Pulp Fiction. It's, it works because it's left to your imagination. It can be whatever you want. Yeah. And. You never saw Mrs. Columbo either. No, you never saw Mrs. Columbo. That was a crime show. Until her spinoff. Yeah, she had a spinoff. Yeah.

[01:27:25] They just, they just tried to distance themselves from that. They didn't like it. Yeah. It became Pulp Fiction. That she didn't exist and he just did that as a conversation thing. But there's times during the series where she has to be real. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, there's an episode of Columbo. Remember they were doing this? But there's an episode of Columbo where she died. What? Because he's. No, no. There was, there's an episode of Columbo. He says, you need to go. They say, you need to go to the hospital.

[01:27:55] Your wife's not feeling well. And he stops and he goes. And then the next scene they cut, it's a funeral. And you see him just sitting there in a suit. And he's, it's like, you know, you see the cough I'm getting lowered in. And you're like, wait, she was real all along? Yeah. So, you know, it's like. By the end of it, that's, that was a fake to, and it was a twist at the end. I remember. I don't think she actually died. Maybe Mrs. Columbo was a friend who made along the way.

[01:28:26] We're talking about fictional characters here. She's not real. They did do a twist at the end of that episode where she, they were trying to set somebody up. I think. And Miss, that's a club, Miss Columbo. That was Kate Mulgrew, wasn't it? Yes, it was. Yeah. Oh, wow. They changed it to Kate Loves in Mystery. Because that's. That's a big thing. Because you got to think, what the hell is Kate Mulgrew married to Peter Falk for? You know? That's a funny story. Just one more thing.

[01:28:55] That's a funny story. I got to say. Just one more thing. Just one more thing. She was wearing pants at the time. Oh, God. I think asking this duration how many have actually seen Columbo and how many just know him from the meme. Well, you see, you were very close. But just one more question. Whenever. No. Whenever he turns around. Whenever he turns around, he's just about to leave. He's on a bench. What you got? Sure. Okay, fine. He's just about to watch. Just one more thing. And he's.

[01:29:25] And then you just go, oh, shit. And the guy right there. That's just one more thing. You're telling me that that camera, you know, that arrow was pointed. And that's. Well, the way it was fired. It came through the back, not the front. So from what I've seen. Oh, wait. That makes perfect sense. That makes perfect sense. I think I'll go. Oh, one more thing. Why was there an ostrich there? I can't figure out where the ostrich came from.

[01:29:57] Why was there a dildo up his ass? Can I ask a question? Just the facts, man. Google does Columbo's wife die. They'll explain it. All right. Okay. So. All right. So. The thing I got to say about. It's because. When we were talking about marriage. They executed Order 66. Wait. My bad. Yeah. Wrong movie. When. I can't remember that show. That show.

[01:30:27] Yes and no. If you want them to. Sure. The thing. The thing I got to say about. When you watch Mary Tyler Moore. And you watch Dick Van Dyke. And you watch all these shows from the 70s. That were. You know. On for a couple of seasons. You know. You got to think. The writing was good. The casting was good. Absolutely. You know. I think Luke. I think Luke Grant is. A great show to watch. I'm still trying to look for it somewhere. How long are. If you're streaming. I'd be. I'd be wondering how long. Luke Grant ran for.

[01:30:58] I think maybe four years. Three to four years. Maybe. I don't know. I keep thinking three to four years. Of course. But I do remember the guy. Who was the reporter. On that show. Mike. Walden. Was his name. Hmm. He's. He's. He's. He's the one report. What. Rossi. What who. His character's name was Rossi. Rossi. Yeah. Yeah. He's the guy. He speaks with like the Brooklyn accent. You know. Yeah.

[01:31:28] Don't they all. I'm just kidding. Well. He partnered up with. With a guy named Martini. I think. Martini. Lots of gay. A reference kids. But. The thing is. I just saw him in a movie. Called The Hospital. With George C. Scott. Um. Where George C. Scott plays. The head of. The medical. The head of. The head of the hospital. And. You know. He's explaining to him. What's going on. And you just hear that voice.

[01:31:58] And you're like. That guy was on Lou Grant. I remember that. You know. He's one. He's one of those guys. Like you. If you saw him. You knew who he was. Like right off the top of your head. You know. But. I can remember. Yeah. That. That show was great. And then. You know. You had. The Betty White show was good. And Betty White could come up with some real. Put downs of people. You know. Like. Yeah. She could be sour one minute. And then. You never knew. Did you guys ever see the hot in Cleveland. Where they had like the mini. Reunion of. I didn't see that one. But I did hear about it.

[01:32:29] I did. I did see all the episodes of hot in Cleveland. But it's been several years. She. They walk into a restaurant. And it's. Georgette. I think Valerie Harper's with them. I think. Of course. Leachman was with them too. And. Georgette shows up as a semi-regular on hot Cleveland. Didn't she? Yeah. Yeah. She was also on. Everybody loves Raymond. As. Raymond's. As. As. What's. We'll call it. As.

[01:32:58] Brad Garrett's mother-in-law. You gotta say it like it. Brad Garrett. Don't you think. There's something weird about that family. Fred Willard's the husband. I love that. It's Fred Willard. And her. Her. And then the son is Chris Elliott. Yeah. And I was just like. Holy shit. This is. You know. It's a messed up family. Right there. But. The thing. The thing I love about that is like. Is like. They go. And they say. Oh we had to see an old friend of ours. And they're. The menu pulls down. And there's Mary Tyler Moore.

[01:33:27] And what you find out later. She was legally blind at that point. Yes. It's. Because her diabetes had taken over. Kind of took over. Her life. And it was sad. You know. I remember hearing her pass away. I was like. What the. You know. It was a sad day. I was just like. Really? TV legend. Another one. Gone. Shit. Yeah. Yeah. I think. I do like having these conversations. Though. Because you do have to remind everybody. Hey. Just because. They're so electric.

[01:33:58] And larger than life on screen. Doesn't mean they're still not human. And. Not all celebrities are assholes. You know. Not all of them are. You know. Crazy. Or. You know. And not all of them act like aliens. You know. From another universe. And some of them are just. Down to earth. Just very cool people. And. I'm. I met Ed Asner. In real life. Oh. Man. I met Ed Asner. But. He was doing. All kinds of like. Festivals. Short films. I saw some people. Who would. Even convince him.

[01:34:28] And he. He was fine. Even taking a pay cut. Or just working out a deal. With his agent. He was like. Sure. I'll do it. The thing. The thing that gets me. Is he was the. He was the. He was Cosgrove. On Freakazoid. Right. He had a great voice. Yeah. Hey. Freakazoid. Want to go to the great hall of Spackle? Do I? When. He didn't. Because I know. I remember seeing. Wasn't he in like.

[01:34:58] Cobra Kai. He was in Cobra Kai. He played the. He played Johnny's father. Okay. 2021. Cobra Kai. He played his stepdad. He played his stepdad. At age 21. Yes. All right. No. Yeah. No. 2021. He died. That's what I just said. 2021. Yeah. 91. Yeah. Yeah. And he was. He played Johnny's stepdad. Yeah. Yeah. I was friends with Matthew Asner on Facebook. And I remember. I remember. I went up to him. That's his son. Yeah.

[01:35:28] And he had some great pictures of. Ted Knight and Gavin McCloud. You know. When they're all backstage. There's a great picture of. They're on a. It's Ted Knight. And. Ed Asner. Like. On a. Boat somewhere. And they're just sitting there in deck chairs. You know. Just being cool with each other. And stuff like that. And I mean. That shows you how much he loved. His castmates and stuff. You know. And I remember when. Betty White was. Was Betty. When Betty White passed away.

[01:35:57] Or was it. He said something. He said something. He said. He's like. He's like. Oh no. He said. Of course. Leech. He said. Don't worry. I'll be up there soon. With you guys. Oh man. Like he knew he was going to pass away. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's. Yeah. That's loyal. Yeah. That's like. I got to join my friends. Yeah. Because. And Betty. You know. Betty. Betty was the last cast member. Still alive at that point. You know. From what I remember. Yeah. Because she died. Yeah. In 2021.

[01:36:28] Well. Isn't Mary Tyler Moore still alive? No. Mary Tyler Moore died a while back. Did she? Yeah. John Amos is about the last. Regular cast member. Yeah. Mary died in 2017. At age 80. Yeah. Yeah. I think. John Amos was the last. Cast member to. Pass away. Well. Technically. He's only on for like one season. But still. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good point. So. Van Dyke. He was born in 25. And he's now in 98. I can't believe it.

[01:36:58] Wow. John Amos? No. No. Dark is now. 98. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I think. The thing that gets me the most is. You know. You think about. Even with. You know. All in the family had a couple of great spinoffs. And you know. A couple of them were good. You know. You had Good Times. You had the Jeffersons. You had. You know. Maud. You had. Well. Gloria. And then you had. Then it became Archie Bunker's Place.

[01:37:27] Archie Bunker's Place. Yeah. Yeah. Which was good for. You know. I'm so glad we covered the Norman Lair's universe. Because. That is a maze. It's like. They come here and visit each other. They're all neighbors. You know. Also bizarre that Lou Grant's publisher. Was Tony Soprano's mom. Yeah. Yeah. She had to put up with all kinds of shit. Well. They had an episode where she had a stroke.

[01:37:58] And. She was like. Trying to speak again. You know. And stuff. But. I can remember Mason Adams being the. The guy who was like. The. Not the head. Not the head of the paper. He was that. You know. He was. He was like. Lou Grant was the editor. But he was like the guy above Lou Grant. Right. And I can remember Mason Adams being in. I think it was. All the President's Men. Oh wow. Yes. I can remember. Which one did he play? Like. I don't. I know that. He's in there somewhere.

[01:38:28] He's like one of the operatives. Yeah. But I know that Jason Robards played the guy who was the Washington Post editor. Bill Brantley. And. What happened was. Down the road. I'm. Schmucker's brand. You know. I was like. Wait a minute. That's the guy who Lou Grant. Doing that voice. He's on a lot of. Mason Adams is on a lot of CBS radio mystery theaters too. From his set. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which I listened to. He had that. I had to listen to those again. That. That. It was.

[01:38:58] On and off sometimes. But. There's some really scary episodes. I bet. Yeah. When you got that voice. And you had all the spooky music. It was like. Well he had that. He had that old tiny. So. Yeah. That old tiny. You know. Like somebody else. It's a wonderful life. Yeah. Yeah. Like he had that. Old tiny New England. You know. Vermont. Fish kind of accent. You know. About him. You know. Mid-Atlantic. That kind of thing. You know. Our time.

[01:39:28] Yeah. Yeah. Like that. You know. Yep. The greats. Yeah. Cherish them. Honor them. Remember them. Obey them. Obey them. Obey them. Obey them. They are your gods. I was just watching the Venture Brothers the other night. And it was the one where the. The galactic observer comes. The observer comes up. Obey me. Ignore me. Ignore me. And then the baby goes. Did somebody lose a baby? Anybody?

[01:39:58] Anyone? Anyone lose a baby? Ignore me. Ignore me. Have you seen the last episode of that? The movie? Yeah. Yeah. I haven't seen the movie yet. I was. I was not disappointed. Was it kind of like the Aqua Team Hunger Force movie? No. It was a lot better. Okay. I think. I think what they did was they just basically like they were like, all right, let's give them what they want.

[01:40:27] And they did a good job doing it. You know, I liked it. Wrapping some stuff up. Yeah. Yeah. And I think the thing I loved about it too is the way they had. The way they had. Friggin. What should I call it? The guy who played J.K. Simmons dressed up as Obi-Wan Kenobi. Like he looked like Obi-Wan Kenobi. Oh, yeah. He was the guy who worked with with Jonas Venture. Yeah. Jonas Venture. And you see him.

[01:40:57] He's like Obi-Wan Kenobi. And I'm like, what? Wait. Oh. Wait. Wait. Okay. I get the, you know, I get the reference. I get it now. Playing tricks on me. But yeah, that's what I loved about. I loved the last episode of the Venture Brothers. Yeah. Oh, man. Oh, there's a lot to talk about that show. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We're going to have. We got to do something about that.

[01:41:27] I'm going to summarize it in one word. Chupacabra. Chupacabra. I'm thinking we could even like sum up our like top 10 like adult swim shows. We got to go to the place where we got to go to the place that the house that Coke built. Studio 54? No, you idiot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. At this point, they realized that reference was not wrong. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh.

[01:41:57] My son is laughing. I'm sorry. What was that? I think it's been epic tonight, gang. Oh, yeah. I'm. What? I don't know. It would take us several years to talk about every episode. I don't know. You know, I brought up. I brought up Mary Tyler Moore and flirting with disaster.

[01:42:26] And the one thing that stands out about that, that movie was her showing her breasts. Sort of. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember. I remember that. That was like. Playboy did a thing. Sex and cinema. They were like. They show the picture for showing her breasts. And I'm like. Okay. Okay. I don't know what to make of this. Here's a woman who. I've. She just had a breast. She wanted to show them off. That's what I think. Yeah. Yeah. You know.

[01:42:55] But her and Alan Alda were the couple in that. Right. It was George Siegel. I think. Was it Alan Alda or George. I don't remember. George Siegel. Yeah. George Siegel. Okay. You know, I'm thinking of the four seasons with Alan Alda and Carol Burnett. Yeah. That's what I'm thinking of. Okay. Yeah. To be fair. I would sometimes mix up. Carol Burnett show. It was like. Well, she had. Her show was a sketch show. Versus. Mary. Who was doing sitcom. You know. Straight up.

[01:43:24] Do you guys realize that Carol Burnett and Mary Tyler Moore were on the same network? And they. They got. They got. I never thought of that. I thought Mary Tyler Moore show was on ABC. Was that? No. That was CBS. No. It was on the same night. It was. It was all the family. Man. She's getting up there too. She's 91. Was it all the family? MASH. MASH. I think so. Bob Newhart and Carol Burnett. That's it. I thought Carol Burnett was on Saturdays.

[01:43:53] They were all on Saturday. Saturday. Okay. Saturday or Sunday. Yeah. I'm sure. I'm pretty sure they were all on Saturday. Yeah. It was. Yeah. CBS. And then. And then if Carol Burnett was off. They put on. You know. The CBS. Saturday night movie. Which was probably something they dug up. And they would take an Avengers episode. Clobber him into two. You know. Tonight. John Steed and Emma Peel go against robots. In.

[01:44:22] Invasion of the Cybernauts. Then. The second episode of the Avengers. You know. Yep. Linda Thurston. Plays Emma Peel's replacement. In. Peel and Peel again. Oh no. We got her. Yeah. Saturday nights on CBS and 73. Greatest TV lineup ever. All in the Family. MASH. Bob Newhart. And Carol Burnett. Yep. Wait. What was before? What was before? What was before Carol Burnett?

[01:44:51] Bob Newhart show. Bob Newhart show. Okay. All right. Yeah. Okay. I think it was a few years. I remember. I think it was Cracked Magazine. I would call her Mary Tyler Moose. Yeah. That's about their level. But yeah. Wow. So. I know she got. I know Carol Burnett got an Emmy nod. For that new Apple show. Palm Royal. Oh yeah. It's like a one show.

[01:45:21] Palm Royal. It's an Apple show. She was just a nominee. They gave it to. See. That was my issue with the Emmys. It's like they didn't split. They pretty much just gave it to only two shows. I'm like. Oh guys. You got to divide this pie. Split it up. Into pieces. Don't just have it be just. You know. Like Lord of the Rings. We're just. That's all. That wins anything. Bang. You're like. It doesn't have to be just one. One Emmy to rule them all. One to rule them all. Is there anyone that subscribes to Apple TV?

[01:45:51] I do. Me. You do. I would love to. But. I love their movies. I have to subscribe and then buy the freaking movie. No. Yeah. No you don't. You get the movies as part of the plus. Yeah. They have. You've. You got like. 90 seconds of commercial. And that's it. At the beginning. Good. Yeah. Yeah. You don't have to buy shit. You got to just. I don't know. I bought into the Apple TV at one time. Subscription. But at the time.

[01:46:20] I wasn't finding anything that was holding my interest. And that's the problem with all these networks. They launched way too early. Then the pandemic happened. And then. Yeah. All realizing. We don't have patience for anything anymore. And then. It was just like. And. What is this? Again. What? That's what I love about Pluto TV. I've been watching a lot of the love boat. And a lot of the. Happy days. And working Mindy. And you know. With Bernie Shirley. And I'm like. Bring me back to this time. Bring me back to when I was in first or second grade.

[01:46:50] Right. My wife and I do. Mystery science theater. Or riff tracks. Is an overnight on Pluto. Oh yeah. On Fridays and Saturdays. Nice. I've got them all on DVD. So. And who. Oh this is just. Something that we can wake up and it's on. Well how about the fact that. Voodoo is now Fandango at home. Nice. Gil. The best riff tracks I ever saw was. Zindi the Jungle. The Swamp Boy. Really? Yeah. That one.

[01:47:19] That one was just such a. Oh my God. I was. I had. There were some times. I had some riff tracks parties. And a friend. Of ours. Thomas and I. He picked. Buffalo rider. Yeah. And I thought it was going to tank. And it was. It was the life of the party. Oh man. Everybody loved it. I love. I love the one with Sean Astin and Bruce Campbell.

[01:47:49] Oh. Icebreaker. Icebreaker. Yeah. Icebreaker. That. That's a good movie. I mean. I don't know why the frig. They're riffing on it. It's like. And it's the same guy who did. Time Chasers. The guy who directed Time Chasers. And he. You know. It's a good movie. It's like. It's die hard with us. On a ski. On a ski resort. You know. But it's still a B movie. I mean. You can tell it was on a budget. It was on a budget. But it's a good movie. You know. I mean. That's what I said about. When they did.

[01:48:19] The last season of. Of. Mystery Science Theater. That one. That came out. With the monsters. Demon. Demon. Demon squad. Demon squad. Demon squad. Low budget movie. But you know. I told. I told. The guy. The one. The one. Who plays the. Secretarian. Aaron Lily Smith. I said. It's the little movie. That can. Because you watch it. And you. You do like it.

[01:48:48] When they're riffing on it. But then you watch it. You take the riff. Out. And you're watching it. It's a good movie. It's a. It's a low budget movie. But it's good. I didn't have it. It was going to happen. I liked the. The teenagers movies. That Mary Jo Peel. And. Bridget. Take on. Yeah. The old. Forties or fifties. Yeah. Those are. The teenagers. It has. It has one of the lowest. Lanes in it. Yeah. Oh yeah. All right. Yeah. Those are fun. There's all kinds.

[01:49:18] And they did some. Some Sherlock Holmes movies. From the. Forties. Leading. And when it comes. When it comes to riff tracks. I think my favorites are the two. First live ones they did. Which was. Plan nine from outer space. Yeah. House on haunted hill. Or was a reefer madness. Either one of those three. Those first three. I got my name in the credits. On a few of those. Because I kickstarted. Yeah. No. My favorite was. Them redoing. Mutiny. And it comes. Ship. And they.

[01:49:48] And Mike goes. Yes. We know this is footage. From Battlestar Galactica. Yeah. Is it. Wasn't she dead? Didn't she die in the last scene? Yeah. Yeah. And then they start doing the riff. And then they like. Dunk beefsteak. You know. Everybody started clapping. And cheering. You know. You know. Squat thrust. You know. Bob squat thrust. You know. Like. Oh. When they start. In the room. When they riffed the room.

[01:50:16] When they started singing that song. During the sex scene. That's probably. The funniest thing I ever did. Go off. Go off. And fetch that. Go off. That's what I loved about the show. Fucking old water. They would always. That was a. That was another one that. They would always make. Sitcom references. And make fun of how uncomfortable. Somebody brought. Somebody brought. Somebody brought some. Did you see them recently. On live. On. Anybody see them recently? Not recently. Not recently. Kevin.

[01:50:45] Kevin Murphy looks a lot better. He lost a lot better. Yeah. I don't know what he did. I don't know. I mean. Somebody thought he was sick or something like that. He might have just gone on a diet. Or something like that. But he looks real. He looks a lot better. You know. Than he. Than he has in a while. You know. But. I gotta say this. I think. I think when they went to Golden Corral. Finally. Oh God. Yes. I didn't check that out. What. It's on the Patreon page. Yeah.

[01:51:16] Or you might be able to buy. I've been to a Golden. Yeah. If anybody's ever been to Golden Corral. What they make fun of there. And I've been to what. It's the actual truth. Yep. We had a Golden Corral here in Indianola. You know. Near Des Moines. Yeah. Yeah. I used to. In fact. I had my first wedding. I had. The. You know. The dinner before that. At Golden Corral. Of all places. For some reason. I mean.

[01:51:45] I could understand if Thanksgiving's on a budget. But. Yeah. It's. Hmm. Are they even still in business? Always. There's one on like every corner. Wherever I go. So. Oh. Do you know if that one in Indianola is still there? I didn't know there was one in Indianola. There was. I'm not sure. Yeah. So. I'm not the good person to ask. I know that. I know that the. The Ponderosa or whatever it was. That. That.

[01:52:15] That's closed down for years. I know. That was one of my favorites. Ponderosa. Sizzler. The. Bonanza. It was like. Ponderosa. Bonanza. Sizzler. You know. It was like. There's like three. It was like. The same chain. But with three different names on it. You know. All I noticed that. Dan Blocker. Was like. Financed some of that stuff. And he made a good chunk of money off of it. You know. But. But the thing I always say is like. Golden Corral.

[01:52:45] Like you know. I just. I went to one in Jersey. There was the. It was like. It was a white horse pike. That's all I remember. And Kathleen and I went there when we were on our honeymoon. We said. Hey. Let's go to Golden Corral. And we went there. And it was like. It was like. Oh. Okay. Okay. Golden Corral's new slogan. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

[01:53:15] Famous last word. I've been to. I've been to. I don't go to buffet places anymore. But. You know. I mean. I've been to buffet places. Like where they do breakfast and stuff like that. But. I just. I don't know. I can't do buffet as much as I used to. I can't do buffet. I don't know. Just too much. You know. Well. In this day of COVID. It's kind of. I think it kind of put in the box. I bought a few of them. Yeah. There's one up by me. That's still going. And that's the Chinese buffet. But you know. They're like. They're like ultra. Ultra.

[01:53:46] Nuts about. You know. You being. You know. You know. Playing. You know. Being clean. Safe. And really like that. I actually. Asked a few waiters. At a few of the Asian buffets. I frequent. And they're like. Oh. We're required to. Serve you en masse. I'm like. That should be illegal. Yeah. But. I think they checked. Everybody there too. You know. They're like. You know. But. But like. I can remember like. When COVID hit. Like. You know. I was like. I remember COVID hit. I'm like. Well.

[01:54:16] We're not going to buffets anymore. Yeah. Not today. No thanks. Movies. Yeah. The Chinese place. Made me close down. For like three months. And then they put. We're reopening. Yeah. Let's get Chinese food. You know. Yeah. We get. The only buffet. I know of now. We've got a place called. Machine shed here in Des Moines. And they have a. Saturday morning. Maybe even Sunday morning. But they have a morning buffet. I'll meet you there. No. I'm just kidding. Oh. Yeah.

[01:54:46] If you. If you. If you're the machine. I'll tell you. If you would leave the machine shed hungry. It's your own fault. The machine head. I'll put it. I'll put it this way. We had. They have cinnamon rolls. Bigger than my fist. That is what she said. Question mark. Yeah. It is what she said. You have a time on the. On the buffet. They have the little cinnamon rolls. But they're still just as tasty. Oh yeah. I can't remember like. Places by me.

[01:55:16] Now this is. Going off. But I can remember places. Many. They would have like. Buffet brunch. Right. So you'd go there. You'd think. Oh it'd be a big buffet. It was like. Five little stations you had. I was like. Bacon. Eggs. You know. Bacon. Eggs. Sausage. What kind of toast do you want? Hash browns. You know. That was it. And then you'd go sit down. You're like. I'm going to get some more. Okay. You go up there. Every. We're out of that now sir. What? Right.

[01:55:46] I just hear. There's like a big thing. I don't know. You look over. See this guy with a mound of sausage. Honestly. You'd be like. You greedy bastard. You know. The machine shed here. You son of a bitch. Machine shed here in Des Moines. It's kind of like Cracker Barrel. Only it's better. Which sitcom character. Which sitcom character. Do you think. Would do awkwardly. At a buffet. Okay. You know Archie Bunker. Just flat out.

[01:56:15] Is not going to be given any service. If he enters the room. Oh. Archie Bunker. Archie Bunker. Would be like. Hey. Jeez. Look what I got here. What. What's this thing? Hey. What. Spare ribs. Hey. Fighting the crowds in World War II. What the hell are you doing? No. Oh my God. You see. They got the Jap food. The Chinese food. In the same spot. You know. Oh my God. I think. I think. I think the guy. I think the one guy.

[01:56:44] Who I would love to just see. Do a bit. In a. In a thing. Is Jackie Gleason's. The poor soul. You ever see that? The poor soul. He would do the poor. He would do the poor soul. He was this. He was this little character. Right. He would just be very meek. And you know. He'd come up. And you know. Do something. And he was like. You know. I could see the poor soul. Being at a buffet. And him just pointing at something. And they give him the wrong. He says. That. He's pointing at it. And they're like.

[01:57:13] They're putting it on his plate. He's like. No. No. That. And he keeps pointing at the. They keep giving him the wrong thing. On his plate. You know. I know. If the three stages go in there. Then the whole place is going to get burnt down. Yes. The Bundy's would have a field day. For married to children. Oh my Lord. I would be like. Look Peg. Real food. Yeah. Wow. See. This is what food looks like. Burger. I understand. They do something.

[01:57:43] This is what food looks like. No more Toast Gremens for this family. Oh my God. Kids. Kids. If I were you. Break out the Tupperware. You know. Oh my God. And you just see them. They think. They think they have like. Five things at Tupperware. Like. No. We go up there. I want you to remember one thing. Push anybody out of the way. Who doesn't give. Give you what you want. And when you take it. Take it with gusto. And also they see like Marcy. And Marcy. And Jefferson there. It's like. Oh Marcy.

[01:58:12] I see you're up here. Getting at the buffet. Where's the bird food? Oh. Damn. Do you remember the episode. Where they're going out to dinner? Yes. Oh. I never saw that one. Well. They end up. They end up. They think they have this money. They left it at home. They send the kids off. To get the money. Because. You know. So they could pay for the meal. But the kids take the money. And do their own thing with it. Of course.

[01:58:42] Leaving their parents. Stranded at the restaurant. You know. And then they end up leaving. By taking off Al's shoes. And like. Throwing the socks on the floor. To keep people away from them. Holy shit. Wow. I'll tell you one character. That would not. That would not feel. Awkward at all. At a buffet. Ron Swanson. Oh God. I come here all the time. I don't have a problem with it. I don't.

[01:59:11] I don't think you understand son. I know what I'm about son. Ron. Remember the Simpsons. Ration out of church. Because it was free sample day. At the grocery store. Oh my word. Free sample day. No I love. I love family guy. When it's Peter. Peter. Peter. The guy goes. Oh what do you know. Free samples. Comes up again. There's a guy on the phone. He knows. He's like. He's like. He's like. Oh what do you know. Free samples. Then this guy. This guy comes up dressed up. He's like. He's like a consumer. Oh must have free samples. Okay sir.

[01:59:40] We know it's you. You're just going to be. What are you talking about. Yeah. What are you talking about. Yeah. What are you talking about. And it's like three different guys. Looking like Peter. Oh my word. I. I. I love. I love the. The one where. Homer goes to the. All you can eat. Buffet place at the. Seafood place. And he's like. Come see the bottom. Come see the bottomless stomach. Oh damn. Oh. They made a display out of him. Yeah. Oh man.

[02:00:10] Where he goes to hell. And they're punching donuts down his belly. Oh God. Yeah. That's a Halloween episode. Oh. Oh. The Simpsons. First episode was really good this year. Yeah. They did like a series finale of it. Yeah. Series finale. With Conan O'Brien. But everybody thought it was the real series finale. Oh. And Conan did his finale. He had the Simpsons on. Yeah. So he acknowledges how he began there as a writer. You know.

[02:00:40] It's fun how people still go through older SNL episodes. And they'll find him as. A guard or random restaurant patron in a sketch. Yeah. Oh. Okay. Yeah. I laugh. I still laugh at. Chris Farley. In one of the first sketches he did. Do you like my pepper? Yes. Pepper boy. I want more pepper. What do you think gets quoted from him the most. Other than. Down by the river. Oh. People just insert that. Down by the river.

[02:01:10] Down by the river. And I think. You're looking at somebody. Jack. Squat. You know. Or I love when he. When he does something. Because I don't. I make. I make. Does the air quotes. Like. I make people feel uncomfortable. You know. I don't have social skills. You know. I talk loudly. When other people's are around. You know. I love that one. That was. You know. You know. You were in the Beatles. And there was.

[02:01:39] The room that you were dead. Is that true? Is that true? What are you talking about? That was neat. To Paul McCartney. Nowadays. If you say that. You're going to be like. I'm asking for a friend. Yeah. Which is my way of saying. I want to know. Do you remember that one time? You remember him trying to. Yeah. I remember that one time. The time you got busted in Japan. For having pot. He's like. He's like. Chris. I know I did. And I don't want to talk about anyone. Oh. I'm sorry.

[02:02:07] Do you remember him trying to be a Chippendale dancer? It's super good. With Patrick Swayze. Patrick freaking Swayze. Oh God. And Swayze's like. What. What are you doing? Swayze. No. Swayze's looking at him. And you can tell. Swayze's starting to crack up. Well. I know. That's what I mean. He knew he was going to be goofy. But you know. You just can't. How can you compete? Well. He's sitting there trying to play it straight. Yeah. Chris Barley. Just doing his dance. And he's flabbing all over. Rick I tell. In that other skit. I forget which one.

[02:02:37] I think it was John Lovitz. Did a restaurant skit one time. And he's just a fawn. I love. I love the one where. Where him and. Harvey Ketel and Pat. Are on the island. I was like. I need to tell you something. What. I'm really. And Adam Swayze goes. No Pat. No. Don't tell him. Don't tell him Pat. He's like. What the fuck? Just you know. There's. There's one. There's one SNL sketch. That I've loved. As a kid. From that.

[02:03:07] You know. That 90 to 95. Er. Which was. Which was. You like the juice. You like the juice. Huh? You like. They're at a Greek restaurant. Like there's this sauce. Come on. I tell you. Come on. You want more juice. And it was Robert Smigel. Doing. The whole sketch. Because Smigel would write these sketches. That were just like. So off the. Off the wall. Yes. He did. He's still the longest running writer. To this day.

[02:03:37] I love. I love. I love Smigel stuff. But. Did you ever see. Remember. He used to do fun with real audio. Which was the cartoon. Yeah. Was that before. TV. Fun house. Yeah. Okay. So. What they did was. They did one where it was. Jesus appears on Christmas night. And. And he's watching all the channels. And what he does is like. Like Kathy Lee is singing. Like you know. Like to Cody and Cassidy. And also. Like he like snaps his fingers. And she's out of there.

[02:04:06] And like the gospel. The bar starts singing gospel. You know. And then it's Robert. Remember Robert Shuler. With the Crystal Cathedral. Oh my God. And he's like. And then. Then he goes. He makes. He makes him wear. Wear a. Wear a. Ballet tutu. And then he's like. He's like. And of course. This is about. You know. As Christ said in the Bible. This is something about the homosexual. You know. It's Pat Robertson. He makes Pat Robertson a rat. And another rat chases him around. And they start screwing. And then he.

[02:04:36] He goes. He goes to. He's like walking by. Like this thing. He sees like Reverend Ike. With like you know this. And I will give you this jar of holy water. If you only give me a hundred dollars. And there's like. The Happy Days episode. With you know. Fonzie. And Richie. And you know. Then it goes to like. You know. You know. He truly was the son of man. And then all of a sudden it cuts. And it goes to. Lights please. And it's. It's. It's. It's so funny how we're bringing up SNL. I did see how Mary.

[02:05:06] It's. It's the. It's the. It's the peanuts one. Where you know. Linus tells about the story of. Christ being born. And you see the tear go down. Go down his eye. And all of a sudden you hear. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. I mean. That's one of the best ones. I love that one. You know. Yeah. It's wild. I did see that Mary Tyler Moore. Was on a. 89 episode of SNL. I. But Carol Breida stated. That because she and Lauren Michaels. Got in a feud. She will never host. SNL. She'll never do it.

[02:05:36] She'll never do it. And get this. Lauren would talk smack. She's like. They crack up. I'm like. That's great. And by the way. You guys do that all the time. Here's something else. We feel. Yes. Something else. Mary Tyler Moore actually appeared. On the thing. There's a. SNL's 25th anniversary. Special. And she appeared with. Eddie Murphy's entourage. Wow. Oh God. I remember that. Yeah. I cracked up.

[02:06:06] The only other thing. That maybe even. Cracked up even harder. Was. Charlton Heston. Being on that episode. And. Reading a letter. That he wrote. And. You blew it up. You maniacs. You blew it up. I love. I love the Charlton Heston episode. When he was on it. Where he falls asleep. And it becomes. Planet of the Apes. Of course. Much like Shatner. You gotta make fun of your. Altered. On screen ego. Yeah.

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