SUITS TV Saga Review with Alan Mygatt-Tauber (from But I Played One on TV Podcast)

[00:00:00] This is Harvey Specter. He's our best closer. Closer, huh? Baseball? Attorney. Recruiting. Your interviews are set up for tomorrow. Can we please skip the recruiting? We need people who think on their feet, not another Harvard clone. You went to Harvard Law. I'm an exception. Find me another one.

[00:00:15] Give each guy a hard time before you send them back. Give me a wink if they say something clever. Okay. You are five minutes late. Is there a reason why I should let you in?

[00:00:23] I'm just trying to ditch the cops, okay? I don't really care if you let me in or not. Harvey Specter, nice to meet you. Unfortunately, you haven't even gone to any law school.

[00:00:31] What if I told you that I consume knowledge like no one you've ever met and I've actually passed the bar? I'd say you're full of crap. Read me something. Civil liability associated with agency is based on...

[00:00:41] The reasonable imprints of agency on behalf of the plaintiff and damages themselves. How did you know that? I like to read. You give me this and I will become the best lawyer you have ever seen. Okay, hot shot. Suits, a new original series. Premiers Thursday, June 23rd.

[00:00:58] Only on USA. Characters welcome.

[00:01:31] I'm your host, Stoli, and we're gonna clear the room and make a deal. Co-host tonight, Alan Magat, Tauber. Hi, how's it going? Coming to you, closed private arrangement while we're discussing New York and Chicago, but mostly filled in Canada. USA Network Show, Suits.

[00:02:07] Hi there, we are here to present best TV series drama. And there's nothing more dramatic or anxiety inducing than waiting all night to hear that your category is finally arrived. Yes, yes, that's true.

[00:02:26] It's hard to imagine having to wait so long to see your show get that kind of recognition. What are you talking about? Don't worry, I'll explain it later. A long time coming, I would always encounter a podcast where you want to talk about this and lo and behold,

[00:02:42] now when everyone has binged the shit out of it and rewatched it on the Netflix and Amazon craze. Here it is, an exclusive episode for veteran fans, new fans, casual fans. We're gonna review all nine seasons in the Pearson spin-off, UB Suits.

[00:03:02] And yes, I'm sure we'll speculate about the upcoming show, which is slated to have a CSI style rendering. Not sure how I feel about that, but whatever. So Alan, other than your day job, what really got you into a lot of these fast talking, dialogue driven workplace comedies?

[00:03:24] Well, I'm a pretty fast talking guy myself. I've been told since I was a little kid that I needed to slow down.

[00:03:31] But, you know, no, it's I grew up watching L.A. Law, you know, all the old TV shows, Law and Order, you know, when I went to be D. Yeah, you know, but I wanted to be Jack McCoy when I grew up, when I was a kid.

[00:03:48] Yes. So, so sad that they have retired the character. But hey, I love St. Waterston and he deserves some rest. Yeah, absolutely. You know, he was he was he was my great white whale.

[00:03:58] One of those like if I ever had gotten him from on our TV 24 7 after I was like I could retire happy as a podcaster if I'd gotten Sam is in all these Woody Allen films and the killing fields and cult movies like Warning Sign and Serial Mom and here he is on a show that he's been on since the fourth season.

[00:04:18] Yeah. So, you know, so I grew up watching that and then, you know, it was the practice and Boston Legal and, you know, Ali McBeal was huge when I was when I was a character. He's Boston verse. Yeah.

[00:04:31] For the longest time, I had no idea they were related. I'm like, wait, Boston Legal is related to Ali McBeal and Boston Public and practice. Wow. If you if you missed it, you know, you didn't know.

[00:04:43] But for most TV insiders and people watching TV every night, it was like they knew and that's how both and it's funny how McBeal in practice won so big their first year because they did crossovers with each other even though they were on different networks.

[00:04:53] Yeah, it's something that's not been replicated since the best comedy and best drama. Yeah, it was an unusual crossover idea right because the tones don't really match at all. But since they're comfortable doing it, you kind of are cool with them breaking the rules.

[00:05:09] But at the same time, had it been any other format, you'd be like, I don't think we should be doing this. Yeah. Going from the dancing baby to the heading nun really doesn't seem. Didn't really seem like the best match, but somehow they pulled it off.

[00:05:24] Even though it was kind of for adults, but it was a good match. Well, apparently guidance, I guess. Yeah. And you know, and then of course, all the legal movies and illegally blonde came out when I was in law school.

[00:05:42] You know, my cousin's favorite movie, they would quote it verbatim along with Rush Hour and every other kind of thing. I'm like, seriously? Oh, I had no idea. But I knew people in theater class who were fond of it and I got around to it.

[00:05:58] I saw them in college and like, OK, they're fine. Yeah. And so and so when suits first came on, you know, it was an intriguing premise. It's, you know, a law show figured I'd give it a watch.

[00:06:09] And yeah, the premise was enough to hook me and I watched it. I was like, oh, I'm going to watch it. Nice. I would always casually see parts of it.

[00:06:17] I knew it was a thing and kind of ironically, kind of like other universal shows like The Office and Ballastar Galactica.

[00:06:24] You know, I'd see all these box sets at every other video store, but it was so funny seeing how it's like they didn't expect it to just take off like it did. And then next thing you know, it's just like, oh, I'm going to watch it.

[00:06:38] Now memes are very common, but for a while, you know, people were just kind of word of mouth saying you should really check it out. It is actually really good.

[00:06:44] But I think I would see people kind of do what they did with Lost in the other USA show, Burn Notice, where they're like, we don't really know what it's about.

[00:06:52] But ironically, kind of like those other USA network shows, they it would often be on after Monk or Psych. So you'd see a lot of people who were like, oh, I'm going to watch it. You're like, that's actually kind of funny. I don't really know what that is.

[00:07:06] I was a fan of Gabriel Mack and his career kind of tittered away because the spirit was just not the hit that it was supposed to be. But he would pop up every once in a while.

[00:07:17] I would see him in some other movie like Middleman or the SWAT sequel. And it was very apparent to me that is like, okay, I'm going to watch it. This is a guy who's a Canadian blonde.

[00:07:28] He's had bit parts in a few Colin Farrell movies and Behind Enemy Lines. And he seems like he could be the next DiCaprio or Matt Damon or Ben Affleck type, but he's just he hasn't hit it yet. Yeah, no, absolutely.

[00:07:44] I mean, he certainly got the looks for it. Don't get me wrong. I love all kinds of actors. If you want to be the direct to video guy, the B movie guy, the TV actor. Fine. Cool. But he experimented with all of it and then reappears.

[00:07:58] And you're like, well, what? Okay. Well, for me, my way was probably Gina Torres because, you know, I was a big Firefly fan. Yes. I mean, I was a fan of the movie. I was a fan of the movie. I was a fan of the movie.

[00:08:11] I was a fan of the movie. And I found it funny how she and Jeff Betrayer, G.B. Woodside had been a couple on 24. They're playing a couple again. And now they're playing a couple on the 911 spin out. Like, man, they must love working together towards method acting.

[00:08:28] Yeah. So, you know, it's like, OK, I'll try to play my boyfriend. You know, I'll watch. I'll watch anything. Like, I'll watch anything. I'll watch anything. I'll watch anything. I'll watch. I'll watch anything with Gina and I'll watch her read the phone book.

[00:08:43] So, you know, it was great. That's really what drew me in initially, I think. One thing. It was, you know, law focused. If you love her and that was the Firefly Saga, Matrix, some of these other short lived shows,

[00:08:59] you'll really like this episode she did on her Cuban heritage that was on John Leguizamo Does America. Oh, cool. It's a documentary. I don't know if it's still streaming on other platforms, but she got interviewed in like the last episode and I was like, this is awesome.

[00:09:14] Like, this is someone who I always thought she was like straight up like black or Puerto Rican. He's like, Nope, completely mistaken. But she was another one of those actors who I was just like, you know, it doesn't really matter.

[00:09:30] She is beautiful, but like she is just so charismatic, like the voice and everything, I kind of recognize her. You know, she's been in other stuff like the shield. I just I can see why she's the boss. She kind of has that go get it attitude.

[00:09:44] Yeah. And she had that on Firefly too. You know, she was the she was the enforcer really her and Jeff. But she was the female hard ass and it was just absolutely. And so, yeah, I was seeing her here. It was like, OK, yeah, same energy.

[00:09:56] I totally buy it. Absolutely. Absolutely. Oh, so yeah, I much like Homeland and Criminal Minds. I knew that there were like some foreign versions of this. So, yeah, there was a South Korean remake in 2018. There was a Japanese remake also in 2018 and there was an Arabic version

[00:10:21] that was filmed in Egypt in 2022. Wow. Wow. Yeah, no. So I'm glad you brought up L.A. Log comparison because it is kind of they do reference it at least like two different times.

[00:10:41] And I do feel like it is kind of like that show on steroids in a way. And much like Battlestar is produced by Doug Lemons production company. There's a lot of directors that work out worked on it, including

[00:10:56] commercial director Kevin Bray, as well as some West Wing guys. I couldn't believe it. But so it is again, you know, it stars the best closer in the city. Harvey Specter played by Gabriel Mack stars newcomer Patrick J. Adams as Mike Ross.

[00:11:19] You might have seen him on the right stuff. Disney miniseries since it stars Rick Hoffman. You might have seen him in movies like Cellular or The Bernie Mac Show as Louis, the junior partner. Once again, Gina Torres is here as Jessica, the main head of the firm

[00:11:40] and forms her own in Chicago. And, of course, one of the main reasons people are reemerging in this in this post-reality world is because of future UK Duchess herself, Meghan Markle as Rachel.

[00:11:59] And it also features Amanda Schull as Katrina Bennett, former associate who later becomes Louis's associate, Catherine Heigl from I'm Knocked Up and Grey's Anonymous fame as Samantha and Julie Hill from West Wing and Psych fame as Alex Harvey's old pal who becomes a partner.

[00:12:22] So hopefully I've summed up as many of these people. Don't get me wrong, we will mention plenty of recurring actors on here as soon as we can.

[00:12:31] I mean, you got to give it up for Sarah Rafferty as Donna, one of the greatest legal assistants I ever put on screen. Yes. Yes. So real life pal of Gabriel Mack, Sarah Rafferty in her groundbreaking role as Donna Paulson.

[00:12:44] You might have seen her since on shows like Chicago Med and Grey's Anatomy and My Life with the Walter Boys. So, yeah, she's another person who's just kind of again, you know, you looked at just about every other one of their credits.

[00:13:04] They had like a guest spot on something infamous like a soap opera or Water Texas Ranger and then just another more common guest spot like Charmed or CSI. She was on a practice episode.

[00:13:17] So there you go. But it was interesting also just, yeah, a lot of them is like, yeah, an episode of this Aaron Spelling show or this ABC Family, you know,

[00:13:26] tromany series and how appropriate because, you know, this is a tromany show, you know, it's a workplace comedy kind of like Boston Legal. And then, yeah, it is kind of like the practice.

[00:13:37] I think it holds a candle to some of these other just even crime and thriller shows kind of like even Power and Ray Donovan in a way just because they show kind of the,

[00:13:50] well, they make everything sexy. They also show kind of just the underbelly of just problems and It is so much fun kind of I keep going back to the West Wing, but it, you know, there's a Donna on that as well.

[00:14:04] I can't and there's no way that can't not be a reference to it. But because much like that show, the Donna knows everything and they she listens in on everybody and knows exactly what they're going to say when they call her name.

[00:14:16] But it's funny too how much like politicians hate the West Wing because they do a better job than they do. You kind of see it like this on, you know, these lawyers are like so unprofessional. I'm like, OK, and

[00:14:33] Well, you know, I have the chance to interview Aaron Korsh, the creator of the show back on episode 15 of my podcast, but I played one on TV. That's a laid by guy, right?

[00:14:43] Yeah. And he said, you know, he was a lawyer himself and he's a firm believer in never let the facts get in the way of a good story. Oh my God. Yeah.

[00:14:55] But that's how you have to do in Hollywood. I mean, you know, real law. I'll tell you, I've sat in on murder trials. They're boring. There's not nearly as entertaining. It's like Perry Mason.

[00:15:06] Nobody breaks down on the stand and says it was me or stands up in the gallery. Nobody saw what's a fake defendant at the defense table. I remember when they were making stuff like the unit in 24, people were like, well, you shouldn't do it that way.

[00:15:21] But then you're doing all this other attention to detail is like, yeah, we're making it look like the real thing while doing implausible stuff in between. It's like people don't. I don't know. It's not like they said it was a documentary.

[00:15:33] Yeah, well, exactly. I mean, nobody is going no partner at a New York law firm is going to take the risk on an unlicensed attorney or unlicensed person, you know, pot dealer who wanders into his interview and he says, oh yeah, what the hell?

[00:15:46] I'll give you a shot over all of these Harvard educated lawyers. Right. You know, but that's that. That's the premise. That's the scenario. Let's say we did. We're we're feeling lucky.

[00:15:56] We're taking advantage of someone and it is kind of ironic how kind of like anything just like when you hire an interns, like I don't have to pay you as much or at all.

[00:16:06] It was like, but how ironic this is going to cost me a lot just by lying and going along with said lie. And I mean, we get into so many particulars also not only on the politics in New York, but also we kind of financial thriller at times.

[00:16:23] I mean, how can we not talk about Wall Street? Yeah. But just like, you know, take how I met your mother, a law student, a kindergarten teacher and an architect are going to afford a two bedroom apartment in New York.

[00:16:34] You know, but you got to suspend some disbelief for the premise of the show to work. You got to. I mean, at least that one can laugh its way out of a corner. Well, I mean, I applaud anyone who has to.

[00:16:49] I mean, there's so many times where we're trying to predict the outcome and then it goes like a fifth way. You're like, well, that was one of three predictions I had, but I didn't think they would do that.

[00:16:59] And then this and that. So, I mean, I'm sure it would hold up against scrutiny on rewatches just because there's so much that they have to do.

[00:17:10] Well, you know, I mean, one thing I liked about the show was the way they mixed kind of the case of the week and then the big overarching storyline every season. You know, they usually had, OK, we got some deal.

[00:17:21] We got to close some case against our client. But at the same time, how are we going to keep anybody from finding out about Mike's lack of a law degree this week? Or, you know, how are we going to deal with that?

[00:17:33] Yeah. Or how are we going to stop this bad guy from season two who suddenly come back in season seven? Harvey, before you say anything, you and the horse you rode in on. Son of a bitch. He had us. We were going to lose.

[00:17:48] We were both going to go to prison and I cut us a deal so neither of us would have to. What do you want, Sean? You want me to throw you a ticker tape parade? I don't give a shit what you throw me. You did what he said.

[00:17:57] You went after a guy, made him trust you, and you threw him in prison for the rest of his life and you didn't lose a minute's sleep over it. Yeah, he threw that at me too. I'm just a piece of shit who only cares about himself.

[00:18:07] And yeah, I colluded. But I did it to get a man who never hurt a soul away from a convicted murderer who was going to kill him. Doesn't change the- Let me tell you something else. My whole life I have done what I think is right.

[00:18:19] But there's always someone somewhere who hates me for it because they think I'm breaking the rules. Well, rules aren't right or wrong. Every line I've ever crossed, I'd do it again. Because I am fine with what's in my soul.

[00:18:35] I didn't say you were the bad guy. I just said he had us. Well, you know what, Sean? Now he only has me. He has. Oh man. I even asked some of my other pals. My pal Tony is a big comic book fan.

[00:18:50] This was one of his favorite shows when it was on the air. And in his mind, Rachel's father Robert Zane played by the great Wendell Pierce. Most people are going to say, hey, yeah, he's been in everything. The Michael J. Fox show, he was bunk on the wire.

[00:19:05] But my pal Tony will always argue, oh, he is Robert Zane. So it is funny how everyone kind of associates a few different people with this show.

[00:19:15] I mean, you got freaking Mikey Palamisi from The Sopranos played by Al Sapienza as the shady firm representing a mafia construction company. That that one just will not die like it just keeps coming back up.

[00:19:33] It's like, oh, you didn't do the paperwork exactly the way you should have. Yeah. And so, you know, in many ways, it's almost like a comic book and that you've got your issue with this crisis. But you've got your overarching story.

[00:19:46] And then, you know, the bad guy from comic issue number, you know, six thirty five is going to be here. And then with the spin offs now, you got OK, we got Pearson over at Chicago to her own thing in her book.

[00:19:59] But it's going to tie into. Totally, totally main series. So, you know, it's like, oh, you got to go read Hulk to see what Iron Man's do. Absolutely. It is like and if you're not turning the pages, then you're not really into this.

[00:20:17] I didn't find myself wanting to skip any episodes even during the psychiatry show. Even during the psychiatry sessions. Thank you, Sopranos, for wanting to make every show like this. I learned about so many other directors of this, including Silvertree, who's like a Native American, like Canadian director.

[00:20:35] She's done a bunch of other stuff since I can totally see why this ran for nine seasons and we'll be sure to link everybody some of the different commercials and other stuff of late. But I'll get to that in a bit.

[00:20:50] I found it kind of funny how the Katrina Bennett character played by Amanda Schall, who I've never seen her play an imperfect person. You know, I've always seen her just in some of those teen dramedy shows as well as 12 Monkeys. And she's usually the dramatic likeable lead.

[00:21:11] And here she's playing an imperfect person who slowly becomes a fan favorite. And I thought it was so funny because at one point she's like, I once wanted to be a dancer. I'm like, oh, that's a throwback to your groundbreaking role in Center Stage.

[00:21:25] I see what you did there. Pairing her with Rick Hoffman's Louis Litt was so good. I mean, talk about a character that you start out just absolutely despising. And then through the nine seasons you come around and he ends up being just the pure.

[00:21:39] I mean, he's the comic relief without him. He's the heart and soul, but he can also break your heart. And two scenes later have you see why he's messed up? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, oh, so he reminded me of a few different L.A.

[00:21:51] characters, just people who you're just like, you're imperfect. You're not a bad person. You're just annoying. But we all you all want the same thing. So I understand why you're annoying. And I mean, once they bring in Gretchen. Gretchen played by what's her name from Scrubs?

[00:22:11] Like that was that Sarah Chalk? Aloma Wright, the elderly black actress. Yeah, she was one of the nurses on Scrubs and yes, it was so funny because it'd been a minute since I'd seen, you know, Scrubs was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:22:28] And much like on that show, she would make other people kind of fear her because she was so good at everything. And they kind of played around with that here, too, and came a fan favorite just because like she is all about is like,

[00:22:41] hey, I know what you want. Here's how I'm going to get it done. You don't have to make a scene out of this. And I mean, good as to all these actors, I really applaud anyone for how they went about the staging of this.

[00:22:55] You know, like it's not easy to make a dialogue driven material, you know, like. Yeah, obviously, Aaron Sorkin and David E. Keller are the kings of it.

[00:23:06] But like then there's all these other guys is like, well, you know, you see them praising one of their words and then disowning a word when someone changes even just a word. You know, it's so hard to do and make it interesting.

[00:23:20] I will say between that character and Donna, I mean, the one most realistic aspect of suits is that a good legal assistant is worth their weight in gold. Absolutely. Any assistant who lines supervisor.

[00:23:37] I don't care who you are. You get in good with the secretary or you're never getting to the principal. You're iced out. So you never make the secretary mad. Yeah, the secretary can choose what gets scheduled. So don't don't do it.

[00:23:52] I love how they made references on occasion to Game of Thrones and then actually brought in actual people from that. I mean, it's so funny how Lewis gets married to what's her name, who's the psychiatrist son, Lucifer?

[00:24:07] Yeah, she was as. Yeah. Yeah. And she has a name. I'll look it up here. Yeah, the character's name was Sheila. Yeah, Sheila. And it's just so funny to me because it's like, yeah, she and she's on Lucifer with Tresher Helver, you know, and Rachel Harris, Rachel Harris.

[00:24:24] And, you know, and so funny. And I actually had family members. I'm like, does she always, you know, she like some of these other comedians where they always have her play the jerk or mean spirit person? I'm like, nope. This is the first crazy.

[00:24:39] She's often this straight face person who's like, what are you doing? And she's on goosebumps now. Disney show. But yeah, no, I applaud anyone for how they went about these roles.

[00:24:57] I think when they had Neil McDonald as the SEC guy, Sean joined the show as well as as well as B movie favorite Eric Roberts, you know, as the monstrous, you know, extortionist, you know, Charles as like, OK, now we're really getting intense because

[00:25:18] we got all these other actors. We've got Amy Acker from Person of Interest in Angel as Louis's sister who's in a legal bind. We got Paul Schultz, the who you've probably seen as Jack Bowers' boss on 24 and the priest on The Sopranos.

[00:25:33] You know, it's just interesting how all these guys are playing against type. They are all just essentially they're they're they're letting you know.

[00:25:42] It's like, hey, I'm in a bind. And I mean, when Sam and Alex, you know, join, it's just so wild how many like after a while, a handshake doesn't mean anything on this show.

[00:25:54] Oh, it was like, you know, they're going to spit on that deal just like by the next episode. But you want to know how I've been doing this before I met you. And I'll be doing it long after I forgotten all about you. You had enough?

[00:26:07] No, no. You know what? I haven't because you haven't. Excuse me. You haven't said whatever you have to say to rip me to shreds enough so that you can start to forgive me. So go ahead. Whatever it takes, I can take it. Go.

[00:26:19] Harvey, I am sorry. All right. But I need you to listen to me now. Listen to you. You know when I would have listened to you that night? Jessica threatened me. I don't care. And why exactly? And why is like, oh, you didn't acknowledge me at lunch.

[00:26:35] It's like, yes, I thought you were happy. I didn't know I had to talk every minute. Gary Cole as Harvey's mentor, Dennis, I thought was kind of cool being shady. Yeah. He the whole do as I say, not as I do.

[00:26:53] And it does get funny when it does come down to Donna Lewis and Harvey all have to do that. And then they have to say, I didn't outshout you, but I did it to make a point. But now I'm going to shout anymore because that clearly angered you.

[00:27:06] And you are spiting me behind my back. And the first the first one, of course, David Constable, who went on to go be wags on billions. Oh, right. So there you go. The I call it the financial thriller New York law verse. Yeah.

[00:27:23] So so they're not so much play against type, at least not in those two roles. Yeah, yeah. Basically, I mean, he was on damages and better call Saul to. But yeah, I mean, oh, man. So where would Saul Goodman work in this whole industry?

[00:27:38] Oh, man. So Saul would never be make it to Wall Street. He wouldn't make it. But if you just stop by and just like wasting everyone's time. Oh, yeah. No, he he come in trying to pull a shady one on Harvey.

[00:27:52] And I think I think he wouldn't do it. But Lewis and then Lewis would buy the fifth episode, realize, oh, you played me for a full again. You know what? That's how we get Harvey would hire Saul with Lewis.

[00:28:05] That's exactly what would happen is Harvey would hire all the screw with Lewis and assign him as like co-counsel on some case to waste Louis's time while he's trying to get the real deal done down.

[00:28:19] And when they have Jack on here played by the great John Piter Ferguson, who you might know from The Last Ship in Briscoe County, he's the bearded guy. He's another Canadian actor who was born in Australia.

[00:28:31] And much like many of these actors, I was always like, what is their ethnicity? You know, just because they play all sorts of, you know, we've seen them be Southerners and, you know, vicious people.

[00:28:43] And I love how he like many of these recurring villains or shall I just say opposing force, they like to play the I'm the victim card. And you're just like, no.

[00:29:00] No. And, you know, when they have Faye, you know, who's from like a compromise from the SEC and the law, the bar association, I just I love how a lot of those guys that they are doing their job way too good.

[00:29:17] And then near the end, near their breaking point, then they're just doing out of spite. I mean, when they had Eric Woodall, the other FBI prosecutor, you know, he makes it several clear is like, I'm not doing anything wrong. You're doing something wrong.

[00:29:31] And so and yes, it is for my financial career. And so I can get a promotion. It's like, so it takes like five arguments for them to really say what they're thinking.

[00:29:43] Well, you know, in many ways that the show is also a lot like The Fast and the Furious in the season becomes part of the team. Like, look at Sean Cahill. He starts off as like I would have tried to kill you guys and put your own prison.

[00:29:57] And then he ends up joining them and doing shady shit to get somebody worse. Yeah. To quote Guns N' Roses, where do we go now?

[00:30:09] So it's just it's very much like, you know, just like The Fast and Furious, like, OK, the rock is against you in movie five. But by the way, he's part of the team. He's wherever you want him to be. Yeah. And stay filming.

[00:30:22] You know, so it's it's and Charlize. I mean, it's just like right. You knocked me out in the last episode. And now I'm here by sequel number five billion.

[00:30:32] Yeah. So it's you know, it's it is interesting how these characters come back and suddenly now they're even though, you know, Mike and Harvey got the best of them. They're they're now going to help them out to get to get somebody even worse. And yeah, absolutely.

[00:30:46] Oh, my goodness. Oh, man. So I also got applaud. Just some of the many different. I mean, so again, Sarah Rafferty and Gabriel Mack, they were friends. So they worked on this same thing.

[00:31:07] But I love how Mack brought his dad, you know, Stephen Mack from the Monster Squad as the ethics professor who is not so ethical. And I just I love how yeah, he brought his dad in and got to share a few scenes with him.

[00:31:23] And then he brought in his wife, who's a famous model, you know, for a few scenes. And for a while I thought that Rebecca Schull, who played Ross's grandmother, who cares for him was related to Amanda Schull, but they are not. So just put that on the record.

[00:31:43] She was great. It was sad when she left. I think. Well, hell, the great actress who I've seen on everything, like so many guest spots, even Ray Donovan, who played Harvey's estranged mother, like that was perfect casting there, you know, and just just. Just.

[00:32:10] The brutal honesty, you know, and it says a lot for a show that was, you know, TV 14. And then in the last two seasons, they said, you know, let's have a few bombs because just a reward. Your cable is getting edgier. We'll get a little edgier.

[00:32:25] But it's funny. No one complained. It's just it sounds so naturally part of the dialogue. I guess, you know, it's not like you're. Watching a stand up comic and just doing a word counter.

[00:32:38] And as I recall watching on USA, I'm fairly certain they bleeped it or at least, you know, drop the sound. You can clearly tell they said the language they said. Yeah, yeah.

[00:32:49] They they did what they did with Treadstone, The Purge Show and some of the other stuff they had on that network where it would be censored during the day. But on the replay at midnight, we're going to.

[00:33:01] I respect that a lot more than like the castle shut the front door. Yes. Oh, man. I mean, you got to. I mean, after a while, I mean, it because this was another one like it was coming in at that awkward time where video stores were going away.

[00:33:20] You know, people were still indecisive. Should I do cable or should I go with streaming? And, you know, by the time, you know, obviously this episode comes out in the summer. But I mean, like people got to remember, you know, we're dating ourselves.

[00:33:37] We are now in the predicament where people keep trying to make one format go away versus the other is like none of them going away. DVD will always be around. Streaming will always be around cable will always be.

[00:33:49] You can try to kill one of the four that they're not going away. Yeah, it's never going to happen. So that because they all work. It's not like something it's not like laserdisc where not everyone could afford it or VHS where it was just lesser resolution.

[00:34:05] You know, it's just or, you know, if you want to even go with regular TV and, you know, antenna channels, I mean, that this is also a very easy to syndicate show.

[00:34:16] So I'm not surprised when I see occasionally that it's re airing it and a few other stations, you know, worldwide. It's a very easy to gloss onto format.

[00:34:28] And I guess I mean, much like any Wall Street kind of thriller or legal show, it is going to appeal to someone who wants an edgy cable show as well as a cool law and order show.

[00:34:41] It's yeah. And it's easy to put on and just let it run in the background for five episodes on that. Oh, much like Breaking Bad, you'll go for five episodes in the day is like, hello, where did time go? That was awesome. Yeah, I.

[00:34:58] It stands on its own two feet. I got to say that for anyone because it is hard to stand out. It's hard. How do you stand out when everyone's going to compare you to something?

[00:35:10] And that's why I mean, it comes down to characters because I mean, there's only so many plots out there. There's only the story and it's all, oh, you know, there's going to be a betrayal.

[00:35:18] They're going to, you know, you know, and just like, you know, on any show with a will they won't they relationship eventually going to break it just like, OK, eventually everybody found out about Mike. He went to prison for fraud and then, you know, spoiler alert.

[00:35:35] That's the other thing, too. Like even if you were skimming through episode glossaries and getting a spoiler, you're like, oh, I got to look forward to the next one. Like you weren't. Angered by anything.

[00:35:46] And much like Boston, they go, I do even only make build to some extent. I do love how it tips its hat. I mean, one minute you got Mike Ross making references to Highlander and Star Trek to show what a nerdy is.

[00:35:59] And then the next minute you got him and Harvey talking the talk and kind of even like a writer's room meeting, like the one who comes up with a wittier retort. That's the formula they go with. That's where they say, OK, we'll do it your way this time.

[00:36:16] A fun fact, many of these Katrina actress Amanda Scholl was in the. Co-producers other show for Netflix, the spy show The Recruit. Oh, OK. Not to be confused with the Gabriel Mack movie. Yeah, David Bartis produced this. So I do like how there's a little loyalty now.

[00:36:39] I like it when those reporters, they keep bringing some of these guys back, but they don't have them be the same person. Yeah, well, you know, it's like getting to be part of the the Oppenheimer universe or the Wes Anderson family.

[00:36:50] You know, once you're in your ear, everything they do. Yes. I mean, apparently he and co-producer Doug Lehman met at undergrad graduates at Brown University. So. So longtime friendship, they produced other stuff like Lehman's movie Fair Game, the political thriller, as well as covert affairs for USA.

[00:37:15] So there you go. Yeah, a lot of USA programs. And it's bringing a different mind to that because that says a lot. I mean, I know I've been I've listened to the have you ever listened to the site podcast? I have not.

[00:37:28] It is funny hearing the Lassie and Jules actors just sum up is like when they first got the game, you're like this is going to be on USA. Like, is that the campy channel that plays sitcom reruns and bad movies and some stockings at 10 o'clock? Yeah.

[00:37:44] But you know, they made themselves a brand and they were like, come get characters. But by the time the dead one much like the dead zone, this was a show I only saw much after the fact. It just looked edgy. I wasn't sure if it would be appropriate.

[00:37:58] There wasn't anyone I knew, but I had looked awesome. You know, there's only so much time, guys, when you missed it, you missed it.

[00:38:05] You know, unless and now we're in the place where we can either buy the DVD set used on eBay or Blu Ray package or find another way to see it. And I mean, and very different in tone than the other USA shows like Royal Pains.

[00:38:21] You know, much more comedy and. You know, we're a doctor, but we're funny. We're you know, we're making fun of detective shows. It's really, really funny.

[00:38:32] And yeah, so this was a much more serious, you know, like I said, they brought the humor with the Louis Litt character and things like that. But really, at its core, it was more of a drama with humorous.

[00:38:44] I was surprised when it was listed as comedy because I'm like, it's kind of funny, but not these next five episodes. Yeah. Whereas I would take a Royal Pains or a psych is, you know, is a comedy with occasional serious moments.

[00:38:57] Yes. You know, it's really is a season in there. Yeah. Whereas Suits was definitely more of a drama with comedic moments. Absolutely. Oh, man. So some fun trivia.

[00:39:11] So Variety did a write up on the power of women and the Duchess herself, Rachel Zane, addressed Suits renewed renewals, renewed success. And after learning that the show had crossed 45 billion minutes streamed across Peacock and Netflix combined, she replied, Isn't that wild? According to this Hello Magazine article.

[00:39:41] Well, thanks to that, they don't have to worry about the royal family cutting them off for residual checks. Yeah, that is true. At least everyone got some freaking residuals post writer strike.

[00:39:54] And so since then, there was an elf cosmetics Super Bowl ad that will play here in a bit that had Donna Lewis and Jessica appear. And as well in 2024, there is a funny T-Mobile ad with Ross and Spectre.

[00:40:13] But it's the actors kind of in character playing wacky versions of themselves doing auditions. And, you know, obviously we got to mention the the Emmys that they did.

[00:40:27] You know, when people mentioned that is like you could see so many fanboys on forums lining up saying, and I'll tune in just for that. Yeah. Oh, man. But yeah, when when Pearson came and went, I was like, really?

[00:40:43] The show's going to go out just like that because I would see parts of that and same deal as suits when it was on the air. It's like, where do I see this? And so I'm glad that these shows are now available.

[00:40:53] So again, yeah, if you want to watch seasons one through eight on Netflix, they are there. Season nine is free for prime members. I went ahead and bought Pearson, which is also on Peacock. Pretty wild how Jessica went to Chicago.

[00:41:10] Her boyfriend, you know, former SEC guy Jeff goes to Miami. Jessica is basically manipulating the Chicago mayor who's, you know, she's kicked away his former shady construction colleagues. And those construction colleagues bribe the mayor's half brother who happens to be his personal driver and a corrupt cop.

[00:41:35] I mean, what? Where do you go with that premise? Yeah, so that's the thing is they kind of went with Pearson. They took her more from a from a lawyer and more to a fixer, more of like a scandal type. That's a good contrast.

[00:41:50] I still need to see scandal, but that's a good contrast where some people were watching it because they legit found addicting and other people were finding it kind of a guilty pleasure, kind of trashy.

[00:42:01] It's funny how lawyers will always be kind of immortalized in a pop culture symbol because it's a tough business. People want to know what goes behind the scenes, even though all of its confidential. You know, there's so many wrong ways to do it.

[00:42:17] Yeah, well, you know, as we've been learning on the real side, you know, you can get yourself in trouble and there can be very real consequences. Yeah, it's not like the news where, hey, as a politician, let's go lightly so we don't make this a political spectacle.

[00:42:31] If it's someone else behind the scenes, you don't get just a slap on the wrist. Don't do it again. Yeah. You can be sued for defamation. And now that we have, you know, Suits LA coming out, we'll be interested to see what direction they go in there.

[00:42:45] I hope it's really more than just Harvey comes by and gives a press conference to say, I'm looking for the next awesome ones. Yeah, I do want it to be more than just a spinoff because like look at all the Star Trek and Long orders.

[00:42:59] They stand apart because they're their own thing as opposed to see what we did there. See what we did there. Yeah. So I guess that's my question. This could be like Specter lit opens an L.A. office. So every now and then Harvey's going to fly.

[00:43:14] I think the heart and soul of the show depends on these two characters getting along. But I think what happens through this process is you find out, I think my character especially kind of grows up and realizes that he's yes,

[00:43:23] they kind of become a man and sort of own what he's done. And so the relationship is definitely going to come back together. But I think it's a very different Mike and Harvey than people have known for the first two seasons.

[00:43:31] What's also great is that, you know, Mike Harvey has done with Mike. But in episode two, Lewis's character courts Mike. So he asks Harvey for his hand. I get this whole courtship and it's pretty funny. It's a very quirky script and it sort of has this quirky dialogue.

[00:43:47] Do you guys have as much fun behind the scenes as it almost seems like the cast does when you're doing it? Right from day one, the show has been really based not, you know, that we have incredible writers, but we also are allowed to play.

[00:43:59] And I think that that's a big part of the heart and soul of the show is us getting to bat things back and forth and try things off each other.

[00:44:04] So is it going to be like, oh, they're going to be in or is it going to just be they're going to use the suits branding kind of like True Detective is an anthology show. It's different characters, different story all under the same kind of banner.

[00:44:15] I hope it's more like The Office and Parks and Rec where they're kind of sister shows, but in name only. Yeah. So I guess we'll see.

[00:44:24] And as long as it's got its own independent core, I mean, even even Star Trek Next Generation managed to get a couple of cameos from the original cast. That's what I mean. Like it just I mean, I mean, criminal intent.

[00:44:35] You've got a law and order. You got the guys from the first two shows coming by basically passing the torch, but not in a way to where you're like, if you haven't seen it, I don't know who the fuck that was. Like, yeah. So that's that's the key.

[00:44:48] Not to just see us. It's fun of it in its own campy way. But when people said, hey, we're looking for the announcers of the press release said we're looking for kind of a CSI kind of audience or style. And like, I don't know what that means. Yeah.

[00:45:01] Does that mean they'll just do montages of people doing cool shit? You know, or the or the nine NCIS's. There you go. I do. There are some good and there are some bad in say us. I do want it to be more than that.

[00:45:14] I would like it if it was even more like Bosch in a way where they're kind of moving on to the next mystery. Yeah. And so and I think from the casting that I've seen, that seems to be the direction they're going. But until we see a pilot.

[00:45:29] Yes, we can speculate all day, guys. We don't really know what they're going to do. But I hope it's not crazy. Yeah. I mean, I very much doubt that the Dutch is making or making any appearance. That is true. I mean, it's gonna be hard to do.

[00:45:45] Although I know the cast all made a cameo at the royal wedding. Wow. I said right. They did say that. But man, Yikes. Yeah. And the show's creator. Yeah, they were. They were all invited. They all went to the royal wedding.

[00:46:03] And now people are trying to look up what is there? You know, the creator Aaron Kosh, you know, done before and is like, I saw part of the deep end when it was on, but it got canceled before a chance to grow.

[00:46:14] I never saw his sitcom notes from the underbelly. Yeah. But yeah, prior to that, he had just guest written sitcoms like Just Shoot Me and Everyone Loves Raymond. So yeah. But you know, before Breaking Bad, Vince Gilligan had done the X-Files.

[00:46:27] Right. He did all the mystery and comedic ones. Everybody has to break out of it. You know, everybody's got their first show. No, absolutely. I just hope he. I just hope he is wild, though, how he used to be a former investment banker.

[00:46:44] Yeah, exactly. So I'm sure he saw plenty of people playing fool to one another to where he was like, I'm out of here. Yeah, no, I thought I think, you know, if I recall correctly, he told me that, you know, Harvey was definitely based on some people.

[00:47:00] He did say that in the interview. But like you say, you know, like I. You want them to have their own kind of standalone thing and then maybe, you know, just bring someone in every once in a while. It's like, hey, that's the that's the season closer.

[00:47:16] Yeah, exactly. Or the midseason, you know, kind of knockoff. It's like, oh, we better bring in the big guns. And then Harvey flies in like the last clip of the of the first season finale, kind of midseason break.

[00:47:27] Oh, don't let. And I'll I know everyone's jumping on the whole. Meghan Markle train like her, don't like her. I can't speak. I don't do politics, especially British elites and everything. All I can say is she seems like a cool actress.

[00:47:43] You know, I said many times we fought not one but two wars. I don't care about the British royal family. I would be a pain in the ass, too, if I was part of that family. So I don't really I don't really see the problem here.

[00:47:58] It's not like she's jumping on Oprah's couch or doing some other crazy Tom Cruise, Gwyneth Paltrow statement where you're like, you're an idiot. Yeah. Shut up. Not getting not getting high and things like that. You know, she. Yeah. She didn't kill anybody.

[00:48:13] She didn't run anyone over and then say, oh, my family will pay for it. I think she's good. Yeah. I'd seen her in other appearances. And again, that's like all these guys like I had seen at least one to five of their guest spots.

[00:48:25] I was like, oh, yeah. Well, they were never the lead. Didn't you do a couple like the Hallmark movies before she got. So thanks. So but I mean, she had a British hostage thriller that I kind of want to see that's on Tubi.

[00:48:39] So, you know, I'm just I think it's interesting how she just won a defamation lawsuit against her half sister, according to people. So there you go. Maybe she should sue People magazine. I don't know.

[00:48:53] It's like I remember Evangeline Lilly from Lost had gotten like one of her first big breaks was doing like one of those party line phone commercials like the they always threw it like 10 o'clock at night. Oh, are you bored? Call this number and talk to people.

[00:49:05] And like after it lost hit big, like they rolled that commercial out again. And it was like, hey, we own it. Let's see if we can make some money off. I mean, you might as well. Shit. I mean, that stuff you never. Those are Jimmy Kimmel.

[00:49:20] Conan moments where they're going to bring it out of the woodwork. The researcher is going to find a video clip on YouTube and say, hey, ask him about this. But in fact, the company just reran the ads. Oh, shit. Yeah.

[00:49:34] I mean, so this this like you probably have to be of a certain age. But back in the day, yeah. Start to like eight, thirty or nine o'clock at night. They would advertise like, hey, you know, you're bored looking for something to do.

[00:49:44] Here's a 900 number you can call. It's like two, nine, nine a minute. You just talk to other people. You know, it was like a party line. It was, you know, I have no idea what the purpose of those were or how popular they were,

[00:49:57] but popular enough to have national ads. Perfect. Get it. Yeah. But, you know, I think I don't know any actor who hasn't gotten one of those roles, those cameos, those things back in their in their past. But they're like, yeah, that one paid the rent.

[00:50:15] You know, it's like my you have to anyone who says they've not there's a role they're not proud of is full of it. I mean, the best is Michael Cain talking about his role of hoagie and Jaws 4.

[00:50:27] That's why we don't get mad at him because he just messed up much like Eric Roberts. He just did the whole I actually had the he had the greatest line ever, which is I haven't seen the movie by all accounts. It's terrible.

[00:50:38] I have seen the house it bought. And that's lovely. Absolutely. I mean, many of these other character actors like Ernie Hudson or Lance Anderson is the same kind of thing is like, OK, you're that kind of guy.

[00:50:50] I think we just get annoyed when we see guys who have made it big and then just start shuffling. Like, I guarantee you if The Rock starts doing unacceptable movies, people are going to be like, what the hell? You know, you have resurgence.

[00:51:03] Sean Connery did Ser Gwaine and the Green Knight at the start of his career, not after he'd been bond. You're right. He did Highlander, but then he also Highlander to Highlander, a Scottish guy playing an Egyptian Spaniard. Right. We'll take the rapist for 50. That's therapists.

[00:51:24] And there's another guy who how would SNL do a parody of Suits? Oh, God. I'm sure they have. Really? No, they don't have to use that stuff. But I mean, I did a little short list of the characters that I've seen. I mean, I've seen the movie.

[00:51:46] I've seen the movie. I've seen the movie. I don't know. You say stuff, but I mean, a digital short would be perfect. I mean, yeah, it is wild to like people who aren't even into financial or legal stuff or into this show.

[00:52:00] And I think it really is just because it's kind of a person story first. Again, the whole character is welcome. You don't have to know the law to understand it and appreciate it.

[00:52:11] And it's good because if you did, if you did, you'd be you'd be driven nuts by it because never do you have like the client come in on Monday. You're taking depositions on Wednesday and you're in court by Friday.

[00:52:23] That's the most and that's and that's not just that's every show. The practice like Law and Order was somewhat good about this. And if you paid attention, they have those little chyrons on the bottom. Well, they would say part 30.

[00:52:36] So, you know, OK, we're seeing just the best moments, even though realistically they've brought up five things that probably would have already been heard at arraignment or. Yeah, but if you look at the dates, at least it's like, OK, this is five after the arrest.

[00:52:53] It's, you know, it's been five years, but for the sake of argument, let's just say this was five months apart.

[00:53:01] But it's still better, you know, like how to get away with murder where it's like, I don't know how many murder trials they didn't want 18 week semester that first season. Yeah. No murder trials take take.

[00:53:13] And yet it's still preferable to the whole CSI thing where we're super cops and we can do anything. And this DNA will come back within 12 hours, which is enough time to get a conviction.

[00:53:25] And, you know, there's a thing called the CSI effect where juries expect that that technology is real. They're like, well, why don't you have it? Because it has misinterpreted. There's no disclaimer. And why can't you do that? I saw Gus Grissom do this.

[00:53:39] So why can't you and CSI, I think got away with it because you want to talk comic book. They kind of inferred, OK, we're on this premise. We're Batman. Yeah, we're not in my P.J.

[00:53:50] Blue or the closer where you you got five suspects and much like suits keeps us in suspense, still wondering, OK, we know they're going to do one of the things.

[00:54:02] But how are they going to do it? You know, those prime shows were good at what's amusing thing is someone going to say when this gets wrapped up and we know they killed or wronged someone. But why these last 20 minutes? We need to know that.

[00:54:17] What? Yeah, what what what quip is David Carradine going to say as he takes off and just puts the sunglasses on before? Oh, yeah. So yeah, there you go. What action hero thing is he going to do?

[00:54:29] And see what once and you were talking about it was spin offs within CIOs is like it is interesting how some stuff kind of kill the momentum of the other thing. I would, you know, to each their own.

[00:54:42] But it would be very wild if Suze came out with a spin off and this one was more popular than the main show or it ruined it to where enough people saw it and they thought that's all suits is like, no, no, no.

[00:54:56] It's been off wasn't at all like the main parent show. Yeah, well, that's the thing is like if you started watching Pearson, you would have no, I think, sense of what suits was like. Yeah, and I trust these guys.

[00:55:10] You know, it's not like they're trying to get other people who are so well known. You know, like, so that's the other thing. Like these people attached to it. All everyone's kind of looking for is famous names or what's the concept?

[00:55:24] I'll give it a watch this fall versus I know this guy there better known for this kind of thing. You know, this isn't like again, like we were talking with the actors.

[00:55:34] Same deal when we see someone is now a helming of sequel is like, well, I hated that movie or I like him, but his style is totally opposite the style of this blockbuster sequel.

[00:55:46] Oh yeah, but I mean, and that's that's one thing I liked about suits was that I, you know, I didn't know a lot of the actors with the exception like Gina and a couple of the big guests. I would have never known where they were from.

[00:55:57] Exactly. So but I didn't come in with any baggage either. I wasn't like, you know, this is, you know, it's like Tom Cruise makes great movies, but you can't not see Tom Cruise. That is true.

[00:56:09] This wasn't and given how Patrick J. Adams, the Ross portrayer is also a amateur photographer. I did see that one today show interview.

[00:56:22] It's like from 2015 or something and he made it pretty clear and we'll play a clip here of it in just a bit like how he like everyone's just calm and they're just taking photos of each other.

[00:56:35] I'm like, see, that's a good rapport because so many other shows fall, you know, chaotic due to the show runner quitting the producers rushing production or the main star is late to set every day. You know, it just, you need that good rapport. Like, don't get me wrong.

[00:56:55] You can you can arrange everyone's schedule like I've known people who are part of the X-Files fan retrospect and they said they made everything work with all the budget cuts and everything they and and I, the site guys love working with each other. I mentioned the 24 guys earlier.

[00:57:11] Those were people on opposite ends of the political line and none of them ever brought up each other's politics. They all had a beer and lunch together.

[00:57:19] They would only have they only had like three outbursts in the writers room and it was just because they thought the plot to us went too far. That's pretty damn good.

[00:57:29] West Wing same kind of deal like everyone seems to generally like it even though Aaron Sorkin, you know, never saw any of the seasons he wasn't involved in, you know, that's okay.

[00:57:37] Like I see people angrily reacting when they see a famous star like Gary Oldman or Harrison Ford who's not proud of their work is like they didn't say you couldn't enjoy it. They're just they're close to it.

[00:57:50] So they're seeing the flaws in the premise or how they went about it, you know? I know so many actors say they can't watch anything they've been. Yeah, that is the Johnny Depp effect.

[00:58:00] There will be some of that and you just got to say well and by the 20th time I heard it. I really did actually get it, you know, is like for me.

[00:58:11] It would be just like seeing a family photo album is like I don't listen to my own podcast. Oh really? Hey, you know, I don't listen to every episode we do but I make sure to edit the fuck out of it or at least the intro.

[00:58:27] I mean, I certainly listen to the to the editing but once it's edited and released to the world, I'm not going to go back and relist. That's fine.

[00:58:34] I have no problem with our voice, although I love playing editor because I can cut out the stuff that in my mind does not work at all. Like it's just dragging, it's negating or we sound like we're in opposite rooms, which maybe we were.

[00:58:48] I had to stitch it together, you know? When you are behind the scenes, you see so many different things and I think everyone owes it to themselves. Just see how the sausage is made at any of your workplaces and then think how you think of it really.

[00:59:02] Like I know people who were in the food industry. So again, they didn't want to eat at those restaurants because they saw how it was made after they worked there.

[00:59:14] And I'm not saying this has to ruin everything for you but like I'm at the side to where I can see how it's made and then still enjoy it in its own right.

[00:59:25] So when I see a stunt double or reacting too early to an explosion or an unconvincing stand in, I kind of just have fun with it.

[00:59:35] Because at least they were trying versus an incompetent film where I couldn't hear any of the dialogue, everything without a focus and it looked like a student film.

[00:59:44] Yeah, well you know, it's like we always watch everything with the captions on now because the sound mix is so bad. But I can't hear without my captions. And half the time we've gotten so spoiled when it comes to audio playback.

[00:59:57] But then there are times where sometimes I need that spoiler. I need to know like who that character is before they walk in the room.

[01:00:06] Yeah, but because sometimes it's like, okay, I'm going to be whispering and then we're never really loud either music or explosion and it's like I got to turn it way down and then I can't hear the next thing. And it's just like, it's bad.

[01:00:18] There are times where I actually have to do this with our audio playback on our home theater system where I make sure that the TV audio is down, but the speakers are up.

[01:00:29] It's like, okay, good. We're not going to get any echo or too loud because if we're having to make this go all the way up to 40, then something's wrong. No wonder we can't fucking hear anything because there's too much audio imbalance.

[01:00:42] Yeah, it's rough, you know, it's like I need that center channel. I need it. So, based on

[01:00:55] who do you think is like probably a big fan favorite since there's so many people to choose from. But who do you think just like gets the most fan mail, just from, you know, I'm going to pick it on your I think it's probably Louis lit.

[01:01:08] No, no, that's awesome because my sister has a Harvey, you know, t shirt and I've seen so many other people share memes of Louis and Donna. So it's interesting.

[01:01:21] He is interesting because like, I mean, just especially nearly in when he's learning how to be a good sport while bowling, you know, it's like, it is kind of very eye opening to again, people can change.

[01:01:36] But if you don't give them a chance to improve, then you never know. Yeah, I mean, obviously, you know, Patrick and and Gabe are the stars and I think Megan gets the unfair edge of being the Duchess of Sussex. You're right. They're doing good.

[01:01:53] But like for my money, I'd probably say Louis was my favorite character overall, not somebody I liked, but certainly somebody I always enjoyed watching.

[01:02:02] No, no, absolutely. I because there was never a character where I didn't it wasn't like other multi-character shows where I'm like, I love plot a but I want to skip through plot B scenes. Yeah, it's just insufferable. It's too much. The character is should not be here.

[01:02:18] But yeah, no, then it definitely got to. Yeah, it's pretty much. I mean, I would see other people who are watching this with me and they usually they, you know, they want to leave the room when there's a character on screen is like, Nope, they were focused.

[01:02:35] They want they put their phones down, you know, it's like, Yeah, they want to know more about this person. And I think that's it's definitely way more approachable, if you will.

[01:02:51] No, absolutely. I know it's a great show. I mean, it's it's I can understand why it has gotten this this Netflix Amazon resurgence.

[01:03:01] And it had to eventually. I mean, you want to have this stuff actually, you know, it would have been moronic for them to just decide, hey, you know, we're not we're not going to make any money off of this.

[01:03:18] It's like, I don't understand why so many companies are still doing that with many other things. It's like, you know, don't sit on it. Milk it. Like, like, yeah, like Warner Brothers killing Coyote versus Acme. Yeah, tax write off. What?

[01:03:35] Well, it's like, fine, you can have the tax write off. But then that movie should enter the public domain and you should have to put it on on a on Max. Bingo. Or somewhere I can go download it for free. Give it to every library in America.

[01:03:49] Yeah, I was the same way when. Oh, what was the one that was started by Katzenberg? Oh, Dreamworks. No, no, no, like he formed something where they were quibby. Yes. And they sold all their assets to Voodoo and Prime.

[01:04:08] And of course, you know, it's under a different name or under a movie name. But it's you know, they were 10, a movie in 10 parts, you know, each episode was like five minutes. And so it was so ridiculous how some of that stuff has not come out.

[01:04:24] You would have to go to the abyss of the Internet on a third party site to find it. And this isn't the first time Warner Brothers pulled this. It is the same thing with the Batwoman movie. Yeah, I want to see the Batgirl movie.

[01:04:34] It can't be anywhere near as bad as anything else that's been published. And again, give those people their demo reel footage so they can move on. Well, if you can do the Snyder cut, you can release the Batgirl. It's been great having you on here. Long time coming.

[01:04:49] Hopefully. So your podcast before you go again, I played one on TV. You had some really well thought out interviews. It was not paint by numbers. You were really clever with how you asked a lot of these guys and some of them.

[01:05:03] It was really fun seeing them come out of the woodwork and say, you know what? I haven't seen that. I better revisit that popular role. People keep telling me about you're the fifth person who's brain it brought it up. I had a great time making it.

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