Space Travel Double Feature: Dark Star (1974) & The Black Hole (1979) (with Steven Schend)

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[00:02:33] It was a long time coming. And, you know, JJ was always bringing it up. People getting impatient with older movies where it's like, well, here's the thing. You know, like that's that's just how it was. Everything was two and a half hours. Well, these are both 90 minute movies though, right? Yeah. Yeah. What was your take on Dark Star Steven? You said, I think you used the word nihilistic.

[00:02:56] Yeah, we have a new voice in the studio today. Tom and JJ are here as always. But Mike decided to hunt down the one co-worker who he knew just to sum up. Yes, I'm a librarian mercenary. That's me. I'm a librarian mercenary for hire. Yeah. It's a good one. Yeah.

[00:03:22] Yeah, I have to admit my my gut reaction to Dark Star, the having seen it only the one time last night was this is the Doobie Brothers in space. Yeah. The Doobie Brothers in space. I think I've heard everything now. I, I, I, I, I always say it's like, what if you had a bunch of guys that were so stoned and you just told them go to a spaceship, blow up, blow up.

[00:03:50] Oh, but that's every Carpenter movie. I know, but it's like, it's just like, this is just like, you know, go out into space, blow up planets that are, you know, go to space, blow up these planets. And then, you know, you're going to be like, you know, 20 years away from Earth. But, you know, you're going to be, you're going to only, you know, the whole Einstein, you know, spaceship.

[00:04:16] And it's like, but it just, it becomes like a, it becomes like the three stooges meets Looney Tunes in space. Yeah. That's a good way to put it. So long story short, guys, without this. Well, yeah, without the, we'll start off in chronological order with Dark Star and then stay tuned for talking about Disney's The Black Hole. But so long story short, you guys have heard it all, but I'll just sum it up for first timers.

[00:04:43] You know, future alien creator Dan O'Bannon, who also acts in the film, collaborated with Hothead turned amazing sci-fi horror craftsman John Carpenter. They decided, let's take our student film and let's make it, you know, a feature length appropriate. You know, just add some extra scenes. And it is one of those movies.

[00:05:08] It's kind of always come up on popular cult movies list because it's a campy comedy. It is that. It is that. There's really not much of a plot to speak of, you know, think 2001, but even more muddled and complex. For lack of better. It's funny to mention that because that's one of the things that popped out to me. Yeah. Where's Hal? Is he going to tell them, hey, knock it off you guys and space it out? Yeah.

[00:05:38] I noticed a couple of Kubrick homages in there. And also you can... Dan kind of looks like Kubrick if you think about it. Yeah. I mean, it has the same kind of weird energy as Dr. Strangelove and you went in 2001. But I also noticed in the elevator scene, especially, I noticed there was a little bit of a nod to Harold Lloyd. Oh. Yeah. Just the way he's calling over it. Yep.

[00:06:07] That whole thing is just he's in... He's in a problem that he created himself and... Yeah. No one else to blame but him. So to Stephen's point, kind of nihilistic, I guess, with Glee. Maybe? Yeah. A danger to himself and others? Go ahead. I think the one thing that gets me, too, is you have this thing where... Which will be kind of brought into with Alien later down the road where... Yeah. The crew...

[00:06:36] Because supposedly he said, if I can't make him laugh with the little beach ball alien, if I can't make him laugh in the theater, I'll make him scream in the theater. Oh. That's why... And then you have the whole thing with a disembodied voice, you know, telling everyone... The female voice saying, bomb 20, ready to drop. And it's like, okay, now you're... You know, you get the theory, okay, that's where Mother came from. But there's like this thing where it's like, these guys are in space, they're all grizzled. They don't look... They don't look happy. They don't look like they're...

[00:07:05] They look like they're just like, you know, like grumpy. They're pissed off. They're really pissed off. They want to punch something. But to the Kubrick aspect, yeah, the way the robot kind of... The bomb does kind of have Dr. Strange Love vibes. It's just like, yep, there he goes. He's killing himself. I took out the one with Al, yeah. Yeah, there's Al and there's definitely Strange Love. So, what was the George Lucas connection?

[00:07:31] How did he see Dan and say, I need you to design the holographic chess pieces in my new movie? It's called Star Wars. Did he see this at like a screener while they were all on pot one day or... No, I don't think they... He probably just reached out and somehow his name came up with a... No, I don't think that really happened. If it did, I might, you know... Because he got pulled up and I know he was the...

[00:08:01] He designed those stop motion creatures that you see. Okay. Was it Dan O'Bannon? Yeah, that was Dan. I didn't know he was doing that. I thought he was a stripper. It makes a little better sense now though, right? Yeah. It's kind of a pothead dream. You're like... Yeah. Three-inch chess, hey, who knew, you know? Right. Because that one is kind of nihilistic.

[00:08:27] It's like there's one creature eats the other and Chewie's, you know, got his hands in the bag. He's like, I got this. My favorite part of that movie is the guy who says his name is... We think his pin back isn't pin back. His name is William Frog. And he says the real guy, pin back, basically just went nuts and incinerated himself. In a rocket engine or something like that. And he's like...

[00:08:55] So, like, you know, you find... They're showing you pin back's diaries. How he's just going, oh, today was my birthday. Everybody forgot my birthday. Also, those sons of bitches one day when I'm gone, you know. Oh, that's right. I remember that, you know. Yikes. And the thing I love is, like, how it gets to be, like... It gets to be, like, towards the end, there is this point where he's, like... Like, we think Commander Powell's dead.

[00:09:25] But he's not. He's actually in a giant ice cube. Yeah. And you're like... I've got so many memories, yeah. So much being frozen literally in space. Yeah. Okay, so... So here you go. So Dan O'Bannon did meet George Lucas while they were both at the USC School of Cinema and TV together. And he brought it on. So that makes sense. But I like my version better, though. I just went to a screen and said, who made that? I got a... Smoke a tubey.

[00:09:55] Yeah, it reminded me a little of THX-1138, too. Yeah. Definitely. The camera. It must have had the same mind, yeah. The camera. I put down, it's like 2001 made with construction paper. The sets in it. I mean, Steven's background, it looks 100 times better than, you know, Dark Star. Of course, it was the 70s. I bought it. I imagine a big screen, you'd go with it, you know. But yeah.

[00:10:25] Well, I have to say the biggest special effect for their ship was the fact that it was so pristine and white every time you saw the outside of the ship, despite the fact that weight. Yeah. The... How many places on the ship were blown up the habitat? God, Jesus. Their sleeping quarters. That's remarkably smooth and clean. Everything is a target. What was in the bottles? Remember?

[00:10:55] Oh. Oh. Did they have to mention the ground on paper? Filler? After 20 years on the ship, you got to put your still somewhere, right? Yeah. Three years. I think the thing that blows my mind is, like, you're watching and you're like... Like, there's one part where, like, I think it's... Not Trill... Who's the other one? Not Pinback. The other guy. The other blonde-haired guy. Oh, yeah, that guy. He's laying... He's laying in... He's laying with a sun...

[00:11:25] Like, he's got the sun lamp on... No. No. Pinback's laying with a sun lamp, and the other guy's got, like, a space laser. And he's showing him how, like... He's showing him how, like, the space laser works. And it's like... It's like something out of a Warner Brothers cartoon. Like, you know, he's going to disintegrate something. You cannot shoot in this house. You know, please don't... Dude, would you please stop shooting that here? I don't care. I'm gonna... And the thing they have is they have the... They have the alien on the ship hiding in the storeroom. Yeah. It's like, I'm waiting for you to find me.

[00:11:54] It's just a beach ball with feet. Yeah. But it's just so funny to look, you know, where he's chasing this thing up and down and all around, you know. Someone signed off on it. And he was afraid of it and taunting it at the same time. You know. Yeah. He's like, no one cares. Let's just make it funny. Let's make it funny. There's a little Marvin Martian in there, too. Kinda. I'm just waiting for a ray gun to come out. Yeah. It doesn't matter. Yeah.

[00:12:24] Wanna chase your mouse, boy? Wanna chase your mouse? Oh, my God. I can't remember the name of the treat we used to get at ball games and stuff when they were eating chicken dinner. It was those tubes with blue liquid. Oh. It was so obvious it was. What was that called? Do you remember those? They had like sugar water in plastic tubes. Not sugar plants. Sugar. I can't remember what it was called. Sugar starch. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. Diabetes.

[00:12:53] It was funny with the man's in a stick. Yeah. Diabetes on a stick. There you go. Yeah. Brilliant. The mortal enemy of Wilfred Burnley. Oh, no. Is that how you got on the thing? Is like, Carpenter's like, I need a guy who's got diabetes. Here's the thing that a lot of people don't know is that the part where they like zoom out of into hyperspace, they came up with that idea.

[00:13:23] They would just take the shutter off the film and and and they said that idea kind of came from that kind of got put upon with Star Wars later. Oh, Dan. Dan. So for those who want to see it, you can probably find it on YouTube. Still, it's on Tubi as we were talking off air. It's it's always somewhere. It's not hard to track down.

[00:13:53] Now, you ever see this on TV? I can never recall this being. I saw it. I saw it on TV a couple of times. I saw it on WSBK. Oh, so they go. Antenna channels. Yeah, it was Sunday afternoon and I was like slipping through the channels. I had to be about like 12, 13 years old. And I was just watching it. I was like, is this Dark Star? And I was like, oh, my God, this is funny.

[00:14:22] You know, and then then it would appear on like Showtime or Cinemax. You know, I think it's one point was it came on a Turner classic movies like the. I definitely think it's been on there, like on their Friday shuffle before before Jeffrey Zaslow decided to fucking roll up for everybody. Yeah. I remember the the TV ads for it when it ran in the theaters or drive ins. Mm hmm. Yeah.

[00:14:51] You hear a voice go rated G like they were disappointed. Yeah. Because it can't possibly have been anyone. Yeah. The ball is not going to anyone freak out. They're not lost in space. They're loose was the tagline. I remember that. That's all I remember about it. I do remember a little bit of the spaceship on the on the ad on TV. But yeah, I was I was probably 15. You know, it came out in 75. I was 15.

[00:15:21] I didn't remember to smoke in space, by the way. I mean, no one's going to stop you if you want to. Yeah, that's right. But doesn't that mess with the equipment? The smoke? I don't know. We were told that. I mean, you can't exactly. Hold down a window. No, they smoked in friggin alien. Remember? Oh, that's right. They're smoking joints. Well, they're playing cards and digging around. Yeah.

[00:15:48] But the thing I love at the beginning of Darkstar is the guys like in the computer is like, hi, guys. You're doing a great job up there. Sorry to hear about the radiation leak. Sorry about that. But unfortunately, we can't give you any equipment because getting an equipment shuttle up there would take too long. Also, sorry about the death of Commander Powell. Yeah. There it goes. There it goes. Sorry about the nose. Yeah. It definitely had vibes of the, oh, sucks to be you report.

[00:16:18] Yeah. That's where it's going. Don't mind us. Yeah. The beginning reminded me a little bit of the video transmission in The Crawling Hand. Oh, yeah. Push the red. That's the first thing I thought of, how cheesy it looked and push the red. Remember? Push the red. Yeah. Yeah. Push the red. Don't ever push the red button.

[00:16:44] I have to say the biggest recommendation I could make for this movie is if you watch Darkstar and then you watch John Carpenter's Starman, you'll appreciate how far he's come in his craft in 10 years. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, would you rather watch, I don't know, the Chevy Chase movie or The Ward? No, you wouldn't. It was rhetorical.

[00:17:13] I think the one thing that gets me the most is like you watch this, you realize it's his first movie. Yeah. Then the second movie he makes, the second movie he makes is a remake of Rio Bravo because he loved Howard Hawks. Yep. Precinct 13. Assault on Precinct 13. Then he did the Elvis. He did the thing too, right? Mm-hmm. He did the thing. He did the Elvis movie with Kurt Russell in 79. Yeah. Oh, wow.

[00:17:41] And then he, but the big one was Halloween. Yeah. Okay. Every one. Yeah. And then James Cameron saw Halloween and Star Wars and said, that's the fever dreams I've had. How about I blend them both? Yeah. And make the Trump thing. The Elvis was a TV movie, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which is so funny because Russell also voices Elvis in Forrest Gump, but I always got an Elvis schtick kind of from him just by how he styled his hair. I didn't know that.

[00:18:11] I didn't know that. Well, him and Elvis were in a movie together. You know that, right? I forgot about that. Elvis was filming. It happened at the World's Fair. Okay. And Elvis comes, Elvis comes like, you know, is talking and this little character runs up and kicks him right in the shins and it's frigging, it's frigging Kurt Russell. Yeah. He was on Gilligan's Island about the same time too. We did talk about that. It was like one of the notable guest spots. Well, he was in Disney movies early in too.

[00:18:41] Yeah. Oh, yeah. We'd follow him if he was a spaceship commander. That'd be fine. Who can forget, who can forget the trilogy that he made? You know, the computer wore tennis shoes. Now you see him. Now you don't. And the world's strongest man. Come on. Don't forget the barefoot executive. Oh, yeah. The barefoot executive. Wild. Wild, wild, wild.

[00:19:11] Wonder where whatever came of Kurt Russell. I mean, he's still working. Still working. He probably didn't marry anybody he knows. He doesn't have kids. Yeah. He probably just made some. He's just waiting for his next walk on on a sea level sitcom. Oh, God. As a wacky uncle. Yeah. I mean, if he wants to do that, he can. I don't think he needs to.

[00:19:41] I mean, come on. The guy made Captain Ron. Cut him some slack. He was in a football movie with Robin Williams. Oh, he's in The Avengers. He's in Guardians of the Galaxy 2. Yep. He's coasted by just being charismatic. He's good. Yeah. Oh, come on. Come on. He does. He does. He does escape from New York. He does. Yeah.

[00:20:11] He does. He does escape from New York. He does big trouble. Little China. Two of the best movies he did with Carpenter. He does death proof. He does swing shift with Goldie Hawn where they met. He does. What was the other one that he did? What's the one where he's on the lam from. Oh, what was that called? He was. There's a truck involved. Oh, Breakdown. Breakdown. Yeah. Breakdown.

[00:20:40] I think I've seen almost all of his movies. Most of them. And who could forget the Oscar snub that was his acting in used cars? Oh, God. Yes. Oh, God. Comedy's always good. The short shrub. Zemeckis. Yeah. Just another example of the man keeping Kirk Hussle down.

[00:21:04] But yeah, Darkstar is nihilistic, but it's like, as Stephen pointed out, it's nihilistic, but it's like, the more you watch it, the more you start getting the humor of it. You know? So, the bomb's about to go off and the two guys are fighting in the ship. And you have that picture of like George C. Scott saying, gentlemen, there's no fighting in the war room. Yeah. You know? And they're arguing.

[00:21:33] What's he been trying to say? They're arguing. I don't understand what the bomb's saying. Yeah. The bomb begins to have awareness of itself. And Commander Doolittle has to go out and tell him, no, you don't have self. And like, the bomb is, he teaches the bomb, actually teaches it Cartesian rationalism. You know? But I think, therefore I am. Yeah. I think. Yeah.

[00:22:02] And he's like, no, no. You don't think. You're a bomb. Like, he's trying to tell the bomb, you know, you're not supposed to be, you know, you are not supposed to. You're just a bomb. You are not. You don't have anything. You don't have any memories or anything. Oh, yes, they do. No, you don't. Those are just censored, you know. And it's just like this argument between a guy and an object that can kill people. Yeah. I guess to win the battle. Yeah.

[00:22:29] I got to think Mystery Science Theater season eight had to be influenced. Because Mike, remember Mike's blowing up planets every fourth episode? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think we saw Dark Star, you know. He probably did. I will say that. At least he went to trial for it, you know. Yeah. Yeah. To me, Dark Star is like Friedrich Nietzsche doing sketch comedy. Yes. Friedrich Nietzsche.

[00:22:55] He's a German philosopher. Oh. Oh. He, man, you think it was a real piss. It was very, very stable. Instead of stranded in space and watching bad movies, they are the bad movie. So, you know. Oh, there you go. You're encountering it. I'll confess that when the computer and the bomb started arguing, I kept getting flashbacks to Airplane. And I expected it to be, you know, that.

[00:23:24] I'm talking about the white zone. We don't care about the white zone. The white zone. Carol? Yeah. Definitely influenced me. Because I wanted the abortion. Yeah. And I have to admit, I was not surprised.

[00:23:47] Well, I don't want to throw too many spoilers out, but the captain's way out, that was nicely telegraphed, I suppose. Yeah. With his surfer history. Oh, that's right. Oh, yeah. And then the other guy, he's like, the meteors, they're taking, and I was like, wait a minute. That's 2001 right there. Yep. You know. It's full of stars.

[00:24:18] I love that my diary ate track tape, too. That was a nice touch. Oh, definitely. Very 70s. Yep. And the target practice going on, you know. It's just, it's just a, it's just a movie, you just watch, and you're just like, these guys are left with, you know, nuclear weapons in space, you know, flying a ship that can

[00:24:45] go, like, you know, faster than anything in the speed, you know, faster than light itself. And they're just complete and utter schmucks. Well, it was like, it was like brothers picking on each other. Yeah. Yeah. You're not supposed to do that. You know, put that down, you know. It was. It was like sibling rivalry. Rivalry. You know, honestly, 50 years after the fact, I could almost see Carpenter wanting to do

[00:25:09] a remake of it and have the, the frozen captain be Kurt Russell, just for fun. Yeah. But, but have, have Pinback be Wyatt Russell, his son. Yeah. Oh, that would be great to do. That would be great. Great to do on that. Just, just as like a, just as like a, a subtle little, you know, ha ha ha. Look who we have in here, you know.

[00:25:40] Wild, wild, wild, wild. Oh man. So yeah. Just go into it. Don't expect much. It's it. Don't, you know, to compare it to anything else, really don't do that. Just go in, just like prepare for surprises, you know. Just repeat yourself. It's just a show. I should really just relax. Just relax. It's not going to offend anybody. I say, just bring a joint or a bong. You know. A bong.

[00:26:10] Bring a joint. Bring a joint or a bong. And which I did when I was in college, when I'd watch it, you know, you know, just light up a doobie, watch it and just prepare to laugh your ass off, you know. I got to admit though, as cheesy as the production values were by the end, by the end, you're, you buy the fact that they're in space. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The thing I'm going to say, this is like, oh, Ben kind of carried over with Alien because

[00:26:39] remember, like, they're all cramped. They're all, you know, they're, they're all, they're kind of been out there for a while. You know, he brought that, that, that theory of like, you know, a crew being out in space for a long time, doing work for doing, doing the work like a construction crew, you know, into Alien. Alien, you know, so he kind of brought that mentality into Alien, you know. He really did. I like, I like that scene. Did you say that a year ago? Remember that? That whole dialogue.

[00:27:10] Yes. That was funny. It was a nice touch. Because they've been up there a while. Yeah. But then, then they, wasn't it 20 years that gone by, but it was three because they were in space? Yeah. Yeah. They aged three years. Okay. Yeah. They only aged three years, but it was 20 years. Yeah. Yeah. And the guy says, you're about 18 parsecs away from us now. And these durations of these messages are getting a little too long. Like, how fucking long do you want them to be? Five minutes? You know?

[00:27:44] It's as long as you want it to be. Yeah. And I love it because we can't get a shuttle team. There have been budget cuts in Congress and we can't do anything about that. But keep, but keep, but I love it because, but keep up the good work guys. Incompetence 101. You know. Okay. Yeah. This came out in 75. There was definitely Watergate. 74. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But there's definitely Watergate. It was not happening. It was deleted. They kept putting deleted in that one scene. Yeah.

[00:28:13] I'm sure that was referenced to the Watergate book. Yeah. I would also go out and say there, I could, I could sense a touch of the Andromeda strain in there as well. Robert Wise took note and said, I know what I want. I'm going to come. I'm even, I'm even throwing catch 22. Yeah. Yeah. Just the absurdity of the whole, some of the things that happened.

[00:28:39] Like only a government or, or some kind of bureaucratic snafu could create the situation that these guys were in. Mm-hmm. Is it implied that the world's blown up already by the time they're out there or? Kind of. Or not. Or do they, are they in contact with us? We should really just relax. Yeah. I don't know. Besides the bigger bomb was in Beneath the Planet of the Apes.

[00:29:09] Yeah. Oh. That definitely influenced season eight of Mystery Science. That is absolutely, yes. It's 33 episodes, yeah. And then Bobo winds up the entire run, yeah. There's probably a bigger bomb on either version of The Outer Limits. I don't know. Ew. Come to think, have there been that many, you know, sci-fi things like this that were pretty much just schlubs in space, you know, sad sex? Not really.

[00:29:39] I mean, this is around the same time as Silent Running, kind of, but still. Yeah. They were kind of their own deal. Maybe a Jerry Lewis in space movie, yeah. Because I'm half remembering that Richard Benjamin, there was like a sitcom that he was like a crash collector in space. Yeah, yep, yep. With Tim Thomas. Okay. I wonder if that was influenced by the, I'm sure it was by Dark Star. Maybe.

[00:30:02] I think so, because it came right, it came after, it came after Dark Star. So, you know, you have a bunch of like real, like with Dark Star, it's like, you know, with Quark, you had like, you know, you know, the guy Ficus, who was a plant, but he was a person, you had, you know, these two twins. You had a Tim Thomas and his gene or gene, because he could be like a real masculine character.

[00:30:31] Then he could flip and be a real feminine character. You know, I mean, that's, that's the thing, you know, and Richard Benjamin was trying to be like this, like, really up, upstanding commander and everything like that. But he really just can't control any situation that he's in. And Red Dwarf is all after this too, right? Yeah. Yeah, it's in the 90s. Oh, man. That's weird. I just, I just saw a picture of Rimmer and what's his face?

[00:30:59] The guy who was the lead in that show. Oh. Lister. Yeah, Lister. So Lister looks the same. Rimmer looks like he should be like teaching like college at the BBC. Like, like, like he's teaching college. Because I was like, holy shit, that's fucking, okay, Lister looks the same, but Rimmer, dude, Rimmer. This is the guy who did the British Empire and I'm like, he lost, where's his hair?

[00:31:28] His hair's, I was like, ah, no, don't worry about it, you know. That's what you get for going to Crichton's hairdresser. Oof. Oof. Wild, wild, wild. Oh, man. What? I feel like we have sealed the typhoon. We have. What more can you say? It pretty much is what it is on paper, guys. Check it out.

[00:31:58] Yeah. So cut to commercial break and we're going on to the one, the only black hole by Disney. Oh, I can't remember. If anybody remembers this coming out. It was hyped. It's kind of foreshadowing future Disney flops that gain a cold audience, kind of like Treasure

[00:32:26] Planet and John Carter, kind of. It's not a flop. Oh, it made money? It wasn't a flop. Okay. It made, it was made for 20 million. It brought back 35 million. That's good. All right. So, but you have to think when it was released, it was, it was up against another movie that was coming out. Star Trek, the motion picture. Yeah. So the Hollywood Reporter article on this from a few years back was pretty cool because many

[00:32:55] people are now debated whether this is a Star Wars clone. And it's like, well, that's just it. On paper, it was just supposed to be 20,000 leagues under the sea and space. And it went through like three different drafts and Barry Nelson, who's worked on everything, including Washington behind closed doors and everything, which is actually amusingly how he, that's how he got Maximum Shell to sign on. Maximum Shell. I said, like, I just saw that miniseries and Barry's like, I fucking directed it.

[00:33:25] Oh, Gary Nelson. Yeah. Yeah. So it's just so funny how Gary Nelson's in a really great movie called Soldier Blue. You guys have to see it. I think it's a very good movie. Oh, it's fucking amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Candace Bergen. Yeah. Candace Bergen and Peter Strauss. Interesting thing about this movie. It's the first Disney PG rated movie. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Because of Tony Perkins. They re-released. There's my cat. They re-released.

[00:33:55] Damn it, cat. Yeah. They re-released Treasure Island from earlier, from the 40s or 50s. Oh, really? They re-rated that PG. Oh, jeez. Which is, you earned it. There wasn't ratings when that was out originally. Oh. I remember I had the soundtrack album in third grade when they put dialogue from the movie and I brought it to school. And the teacher won't allow me to play it because it was too violent for third graders. So, yeah. Yeah. Treasure Island.

[00:34:26] Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Anyway. People get all finicky about swordplay and it's like, you know, you're going to show the stick hit eventually. I get it. It's cool. There is some violence in Black Hole, definitely. Yeah. It's mainly- It's implied more than anything, but it's- It's mainly Perkins' death is intense. And you're getting the feeling that he's been, you know, impelled by the robot. Yeah.

[00:34:52] But, like, the thing was, was that with this was, it was in production since, like, 1973. Yeah. Because it was supposed to be called Space Station 1. It was going to be, like, something like, you know, the Poseidon Adventure or the Towering Inferno. They wanted to do, like, a disaster movie in space. Mm-hmm. And as time went on, it got to be, they went from, like, that to, okay, there's a crew out in space.

[00:35:21] They find this, they're, like, spaceship, but, you know, there's, you know, they go in and they, I mean, the way it was, the way it was implied was, okay, I didn't get it at first when I was a kid. But as I get older, I begin to realize, you know, oh, it's supposed to be, like, you know, the spooky old house at the end of the block and who's in there. Oh, yeah. You know? That makes sense.

[00:35:47] They, the Disney execs also wanted to kind of counter Irwin Allen type disaster movies I saw on some notes. But it is interesting how, I feel like the cast really got along and giving all these exploits. Robert Forster was able to interview, the interview before his death, and he learned a lot from Ernest Borgnine. And ironically, Ernest Borgnine had the same mentality. He wanted to learn from everybody else on set. And it was a very healthy friendship.

[00:36:13] They had a do not enter sign, so everything filmed on set was a mystery. There weren't, wasn't any leaks. Yeah. But I loved how Borgnine, to keep himself busy, would actually just start grabbing a broom and dusting stuff. People were staying busy. And I thought Yvette Mimio, I think is how I pronounce her surname. Mimio. Mimio. Yeah. Mimio. You know, I think she did pretty good in the role.

[00:36:39] And that's the only issue I have is behind the scenes, they casted another actress, made her cut her hair and everything. Jennifer O'Neill. Yeah. Jennifer O'Neill was supposed to be Kate McCray. They literally could have done a casting and just said, hey, you're not right, instead of waste time on set filming and then recast. What is Jennifer O'Neill famous for? Summer 42. Summer 42. Okay. I thought so. She was there.

[00:37:07] She was going to get her hairstyle by her personal hairstylist, Fidel Sassoon. And what happened was, was that she was drinking. And they just said, okay, look, this isn't going to work. You got to go home. She drove home and got into a car crash. Yeah. And the next day they, they casted Yvette Mimio to be the, to be Kate McCray. And I think that was a great piece of casting. And she said, yeah, I'll cut my hair. I'll do that. That's no problem.

[00:37:35] But it just made me wish they could have done that off the offset. Yeah. You know. So I blame them. How serious was the car accident? I should ask. I think she, she had, she, yeah, she, I think she broke some stuff and cut some stuff on her face and stuff. But all I remember is like, like the, the, the, the casting was, was good. You know, I liked the, the cast is good. Yeah. What's funny is Joseph Bottoms was actually trying to follow Robert Forster's lead and

[00:38:02] he's playing the captain and he's just gotten off all these other Western ensembles and he's trying to follow everyone else's deal. So I think that's cool how everyone's clinging onto each other and studying each other in a good way. And now really this, have you guys ever gotten Roddy McDowell mixed up with Anthony Perkins? No. Okay. I always thought they had a similar kind of hairstyle and everything. Yeah. Even though Roddy's not. He's not physically in those, but I just like how they're both part of the cast.

[00:38:32] They were good friends outside of the, outside of the movie because I remember reading that that when Anthony Perkins was dying, Roddy McDowell would visit him. Oh, nice. I love that. You know, but I can, I can remember. Like my, my, my going to see the movie and just being amazed by, you know, this, this wasn't like Star Wars, you know? And the strange thing is that.

[00:39:00] Other than the cute little robot, that's really as stars as it gets. The most part is just casual. There was an influence on that, sure. But that's just a producer. You realize that does the other robot voice? Slim Pickens. Yeah. That was a nice test. That's a old dog. But the thing is, if you watch this thing with Harlan Ellenshaw, who was actually the son of Peter Ellenshaw, who did all the maps and stuff for the Black Hole, he was well-respected.

[00:39:28] A lot of those guys were very well-respected. They were all in-house guys. That's good. And what happened was, was that they said, okay, we're going to make the robots, like, instead of having them on the ground, like, you know, R2-D2, they were never meant to be like R2-D2. Right. R2-D2, they're, these robots hover, you know? And they go up and they were on armatures and strings and all that stuff. And the thing was, was that when you watch, when you watch the movie, the robots aren't

[00:39:57] supposed to be, they're, they're, they're part of the crew. They're part of the family, you know? Yeah. But, but when you watch the movie itself, it's supposed to be like, you know, 20,000 leagues under the sea. Maximating ship. Yeah. What was that? Or Moby Dick is similar. Moby Dick. Yeah. Yeah. Um, because Maximilian Schell, who had, and you have two Oscar winners in there.

[00:40:25] Maximilian Schell for Judgment at Nuremberg and Ernie Borgnine for Marty. Um, the thing I've said about that is that you have two guys, Maximilian Schell, his role is Hans Reinhardt. It's like, he's this dualistic character. When you see him, he comes out and says, he goes, uh, he, he, you know, he does this flair. He says, Dr. Hans Reinhardt.

[00:40:54] He always had a flair for theatrical. And he's this charming character when you first meet him. And then as the movie goes on, you start to realize he's not that charming. He's a scumbag. Yeah. He's, you know, you find out certain things that happen, you know, I, uh, he's like, he's like a cult leader, his character. He's a cult leader, but he's also, he's got that robot with him.

[00:41:20] And Ernie Borgnine being, uh, you know, a selfish save his own hide kind of guy. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I'll throw back Matt. There's cult leader, but I was thinking maybe closer to count Dracula from. He does look like a Transylvania kind of count. Yeah. Yeah. And that he has that kind of, that vibe to him that, you know, he seems charming enough and he's nice enough, but there's something a little sinister behind it.

[00:41:49] I tried to see if they named the hero ship, the Palomino after any actual real life Navy ship, but I couldn't find anything on that. The, the, the great thing about the Cygnus is it's named after the, it's named after a constellation that I think the first black hole was founded in. Oh, the bad guy ship Cygnus. Yeah. Yeah. The Cygnus. And the thing with that is, um, if you watch it, you've got, it's all these tropes with the characters.

[00:42:19] You've got Robert Forscher's character, Captain Dan Holland. He's the cocky, you know, he's, he's the, he's, he's the captain of the ship. You know, he's the, he's, he's, you know, he's the leader. You got Joseph Bottoms, who's the young gunslinger tagging along with them. You've got, you've got, you know, Ernie Borgnine, who's basically the guy who talks a lot of talk, but, you know, doesn't, doesn't back it up.

[00:42:45] You've got Anthony Perkins character, who's basically hypnotized. He, he, he's, he's, he's, he's this guy who's very smart, but when he meets Reinhardt, he's like, oh, I can, you know, I can, I'm fascinated by it. And then you got, you have that Mimus, Mimus character who's like, she's very like, she's, she's almost like, I know the truth. I'm trying to tell you the truth and you don't want to listen to it. We have to get out of here. We have to go right away. And the thing is,

[00:43:14] Borgnine's Booth character, you know, is pretty unhelpful. Oh yeah. That's a scum. I think the one thing I love is like the, the, the character, the, the thing of, the thing I've loved about that is when you watch the movie, you're, you're kind of like, it's not that it draws you in. It's like, it's like, okay, they're very easy going. It's very easy going. And I mean, the fact that we've been talking more about the villain as opposed to his,

[00:43:41] you know, ship that he's crafted. I think that's just it. Like he's more interesting. Like he is the, and again, there's no, it just that sinister, but you can kind of see why he's drawn into this versus other. Disney movies that they've done since that make you go. Okay. But now I'm just seeing all the movies you've stolen from versus you guys want to just have your own kind of weird concept.

[00:44:10] This was a 26 week shoot. Apparently. Yeah. And they had eighties on set showing the different shots. So they, they knew how to go frame by frame instead of let's make it up on the spot. So I think that is a testament to any movie, you know, because I don't, I don't know if anyone's ever been in an independent film set. But what one technique that I recommend is shot scripts,

[00:44:37] like take the script and put on the kind of shots you want in the different scenes. Oh, yeah. That's a good time saver. You know, especially if you're, you're not capable of drawing a storyboard, you know, it's just have a plan, you know, it save yourself time instead of just having endless deleted footage that you don't want to use. And everyone's mad at you because I don't do it. I don't remember any deleted scenes being shown from that movie.

[00:45:04] So there was one where they were going across a chasm. And then I think, I think most of it got thrown out with the first few drafts that you mentioned earlier, because a lot of that involved a lot of planets saving civilians. And yeah, director Nelson was like, this is cheesy. This is melodramatic. Do not want to make that kind of movie. And yeah, there were 150 different map paintings. That's the most that were used at that time. Yeah. The most for any Disney movie back then.

[00:45:33] I think Star Wars had about 10 or 15. Empire had about 20. And if there's a, you're Ellen, Harlan Ellenshaw actually talks about it. Yeah. His son Harrison was helping out. Harlan Ellenshaw. Peter, Peter was the father. Harlan was the son. And the two of them working together, they did a phenomenal job. The thing that gets me the most is the way they create, the way this whole,

[00:46:03] this whole environment was created, how the Cygnus is this giant, this giant vast ship that hasn't been seen for 20 years. And it's like, all of a sudden you go in there and they're like, Oh, these are my androids. I've created them. I noticed this. They're a bit medieval, but I'm a bit of a romantic. And, and there, you don't know what or how they are. And then all of a sudden the clues start to be revealing.

[00:46:32] When Booth goes, Booth goes into the environment, the, the garden center. And the one walks out with the limp. And then the other one is, there's a robot funeral. You know, Dan, Dan's taking one of those air cars back to the Palomino. And he like walks in and he sees like, he sees a robot funeral. And then he goes in and he sees all the,

[00:46:58] all the crew members quarters kept in pristine condition. And he's wondering why are they, why is this stuff still here? Why is this stuff still here? And then he watches the funeral, you know, the robot getting shot out, you know, the humor getting shot out in the space. And he's going, what the hell is going on? Turns around and Maximian says, and he goes, must have taken a wrong turn. And it's like, it's like,

[00:47:25] you're just thinking something doesn't seem right here. It's too good to be true. Then it is. You know, the strangest thing that hit me when I was watching it was. Within the first 10 minutes, we, we get the, uh, the mission that the Cygnus was on mission log. But what was the Palomino supposed to be doing?

[00:47:56] Exploration. I don't know if they ever said, it's kind of implied just exploration, but yeah, the Cygnus was supposed to be an exploratory ship. And Reinhardt Hans Reinhardt basically said to the space appropriations committee, you know, give me the money, give me the time. I will, this will be a ship that will go out and find new life. And what happened was they went out and they did not find, you know,

[00:48:26] they, they lost contact. Then what happened is that supposedly the backstory is that they find, they use smaller ships now, like the Palomino to go out and find, you know, because of the fiasco with the Cygnus. So basically, I think it's like, imagine you have something like the USS enterprise going out there to find new life and new civilizations. A giant cruise liner that happens to have a lot of shit on. And then, and then it goes, then it goes to like something like, you know, like, you know,

[00:48:56] a little dinky ass rocket ship goes out and it's still, you know, you're still trying to find it. And you don't realize as a pirate kind of to Tom's point, but he's a fancy pirate. He's happy with what he is. He disguises it. Well, think of a career criminal who has become legit, but he can't escape his not so legit lifestyle, you know? Yeah. And he's not doing it for shits and giggles. Like he believes in his mission. And that's why, again, why it takes them so long to say, Hey, stop what you're doing.

[00:49:25] Cause they're, you know, they've never seen any life form like it. So I think that's why, even though it's a older movie, I think that's why we, the ions are patient with the findings. Cause they do a good job of making it look very, very, you know, beautiful. What we're looking at, we're looking at it with them as opposed to seeing it from afar and looking at her watch saying, when's the movie going to get done? There's some, there's some, don't think about it too hard in this movie. If she has ESP.

[00:49:55] Okay. You can, yes. Does ESP work on robots? Yeah. It's robot. And on top of that, couldn't you figure out that some of those robots were humans? No, they couldn't tell they were human. Oh, six cents. Yeah. Yeah. But with ESP, good. And also when they're in the garden late in the movie, am I getting this wrong? Or don't the space, don't get exposed to space and they just get frosted air. They don't immediately.

[00:50:25] Because, you know, there's a, there's a vacuum in space. Neil deGrasse Tyson likes to shit on this movie. And I love it. I just heard that today. And I was like, I was like, okay. It's one of the 10 worst movies he's ever seen. I know. And even I, I kind of agree with him on some things where I'm going, oh yeah, I get it. Ha ha ha. You know, but it's like, it's like, I've sat there and I've been like, they're in the vacuum of space. They should be dead by now. you know, there's some things I'm just kind of like, don't shake in my head. Like the physics don't work,

[00:50:53] but then I'm like thinking to myself, it's just a fucking movie. Yeah. It's kind of like, it's kind of like, well, there you have to eventually, you know, it's like, we only hate it when it's a movie. Yeah. Well, yeah, but I mean, to everyone's points, I mean, including deGrasse. I mean, it's just, we want to see the filmmaker try for the most part before they just throw it out. Like, I, you know, it's kind of that way with the first Riddick movie, pitch black, there's free sons, completely impossible,

[00:51:21] but the movie does a good job of drawing you in and it's introduced later. So you've already come to terms with the other reality that's already set up. So, you know, it's just, well, as long as the filmmaker takes their time instead of just, you know, thrusting it on you and you're just like, Oh yeah. What? It's well made. Yeah. Well, I think, I think the one thing they get, the thing that got me when I was growing up, my father was sitting next to me was, we were all watching. It was me, my mom, my dad,

[00:51:50] my grandma. We're all watching the movie. Oh, nice. And, and, and we were in the Bellevue theater. We're watching this big 70 millimeter, you know, full sound and everything. The ending, when they go through the black hole where, you know, you see maximum, you see a Reinhardt and Maximilian merge with each other. And then they're, then they're like in hell. Yeah. And you see like the, the, the, you know, the humanoids,

[00:52:21] you know, being squirted through hell and there's a lake of fire and all this shit. And then all of a sudden you see, it really is creepy. The way they explain this, it's this angelic, this angelic figure comes up and takes them out and they come through the black hole. Now, a lot of people think that's really what happens. What people think, what a lot of people think. And if you read this on some of these boards is that it's Kate's dream. It's her holding them together,

[00:52:47] but it's her dream of what happens to Reinhardt and Maximilian, you know, that the thing is actually is just the, the, you know, the black hole can be, you know, the, the gateway to hell, you know, heaven or hell. And what got me was the beginning. You see the, you see the thing. And you hear, you know, Harry Boots go, my God, right out of Dante's Inferno. He says, yeah, every time,

[00:53:16] every time I see one of those things, I expect some guy in red with a, with a tail and a pitchfork, you know, staring out of it. Yeah. A little, a little, a little fantasia too. Yeah. A little fantasia that, you know, and I'm like sitting there and like my father, my father goes, we're walking out of the theater and he's like, I love the movie. What the hell is with the ending? You were just walking out of the way. He's like, what the hell is with the ending? And I'm sitting there going, Oh, that was such a great movie.

[00:53:44] And then I'm watching as time goes along. I'm like, yeah, what is it with this ending? You know? In the book. I'm sorry. There's a book. There's a book. Yeah. I just got a quick, quick point. When I saw the final shot, it looks like there, there's like an eclipse there at the end that they see, like sunlight behind the moon or something. Yeah. You know what I thought of?

[00:54:13] An early Simpsons, an early Simpsons, when crab apple shown the class of cheesy fifties. Called the moon of earth. And that's, okay, they're going back to earth and they're on the other side of the moon. That's exactly. On the moon. Welcome to the moon of earth. Yeah. So anyway, that's the one that says, you'll weigh one third, one third of what you weigh on, on earth. No pie for you fatty.

[00:54:44] It actually says in the cartoon copyright 1957 or something. Oh, it is. You guys want to know? Oh, go ahead. They also did a comic book series. I got, yeah, I got, I got three issues. Um, by going to a friend's birthday party, which was sort of my gateway into it. And. The first two. Issues dealt with the movie itself. And I think it might've changed the ending. sweet.

[00:55:14] So then they kind of expanded a bit. They had some other. Yeah, they did. They went. The third issue, they went actually. Went. They were actually survived the black and going through the black hole. And started exploring a new universe. And. It's like. It happened. But it was. They find a. They find a. An opposite version of the Cygnus. Oh, wow. And. And. And. Produced by. Gold. Gold Keys comics. Yep. Yeah. And Jack Kirby did the.

[00:55:44] Jack freaking Kirby. Wow. Jack the King Kirby did. I'm seeing it already. The fourth one. Them on a planet with dinosaurs. That. That is. Yeah. That. But they have it where. The. Maximilian can talk to Reinhardt. Like he's got a computer voice. And he talks to Reinhardt. Bob doesn't remember them. It's like a mirror. They go to a mirror image of what their universe was. So. So all of a sudden they like they escape in this like. This like rinky dinks.

[00:56:12] Like this like UFO spaceship. And they call it the USS Palomino. You know. And I just. I just remember that. I remember. You know. Reinhardt had like a fleet of like spaceships. Or something like that. You know. Tom you're right. No. There was a comic book. And they didn't. Yeah. They. They expanded it after. Yeah. The inevitable alternate takes. That happened with any screenplay. And those are always fun. It's like.

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[00:57:39] So dig in. It's breakfast time. Listen at breakfast.com. Apple podcasts. Or wherever fine podcasts are found. You guys notice one more thing with Tony Perkins. He pulled a Janet Leigh. By disappearing. That was a big thing in Cycle. Revenge for Janet Leigh. The star movie gets killed off halfway through. This is like the most normal role for him. The rest of the time he's always a suspect. You know or handsome stranger. So yeah. He's just kind of erotic in this. Yeah. I think it should get more attention for him.

[00:58:09] Really. You know because. He's a good actor. And he was. Even though he was. Made a typecast. He was really good in half those typecasts. But. By the 70s. He's making like the last of Sheila. And pretty poison. And. Mm-hmm. What was the one? Psycho 2. You know. Not that bad I guess. His favorite was like the fourth one. Which he directed. Which everyone else hated. So it's just like. Oh yeah. I can't say anything bad about Psycho 4. I like Psycho 4. I haven't seen it.

[00:58:38] But I'll watch it. I'll take your word for it. It's good. I've seen part three. And I knew. I was really obsessed with part three. I knew about two. Because Riff Trax did it. There was a third one. Part two was decent. But part three. I'm like. What the hell is going on? Jeff Vahee. Why do you. Why are you. Throwing a lampshade in front of your privates. That's weird. I. The one thing I love about. Reading about this. Was that. They were. Disney wanted to use. Lucas's. ILM. ILM.

[00:59:07] And he said. No you can't. You can't do that. Because you know. I'm not. Leasing my camera. You know. My guys out. This is before they needed the money. Yeah. Chico needed the money. Yeah. Chico needed the money. Lucas needed. Georgia Lucas needed the money. So what happened. I still can't get over. Driving. Back home from work. By Reeds Lake. And hearing Gilbert's podcast. Doing that.

[00:59:37] And just to my left. Groucho made his professional debut at Reeds Lake. I know. What? Very young Groucho over there in the past. And I'm hearing you. Oh. That was just surreal. You know. I'm lucky I made it home without hitting something. It was crazy. Well. You find out later that. Disney had to create their own camera. System. For the black holes. So what they did was.

[01:00:06] This thing called ACES. Which was like. It was. Yeah. It was. That's why. That's why the camera work is so good in that. You know. If you watch it. The camera isn't like. You know. There's the ship. They actually fall. You know. They follow the ship around. They go up. Down. Around. Over. You know. It's amazing. It was like. It was kind of like a. Really surreal. It was. It was a really good way. You know. The camera work is just phenomenal. You know. Yeah. David. You had something.

[01:00:36] You were. I. Just now. I was talking about Groucho or something. I thought you were going to say something. Would you like to say something? No. No. Oh boy. I put him on the spot. Sorry. You're going on the new guy. Sorry. Please. Please come now. Please come now. Meanwhile. Back at the main competition. I'll just say this. Without this movie. You don't get the expanse.

[01:01:06] No. That's a good show. But like. It's just the whole sense of traveling. And how. They make the. The. Just. It's. I. I miss this. I mean. I like the villain. Villains on that show. And both this. Because. They're mad scientists. Who's just very. Again. Just. They're good at. Just good casting.

[01:01:36] There wasn't any hammy acting. It was just. This. I got to see this through to the end. Even if it kills me. Even if it's a. You know. Giant. Robot ship. That kills everybody. You know. Just the whole. Just idea. Just. I got to mess with this. And it's beautiful. And again. You know. It distracts the heroes. It distracts us. The audience. Because it is. Eye catching. So. And then. Before we realize. Oh. You got to shut this down. It's going to. Bring harm. The thing. The thing I love about that is.

[01:02:06] To when. The John Barry score. Carries that movie. Through and through. You could have had a guy go in there. And make like some. Crappy. Synthesizer music. Or something like that. John. Now that was one of the last movies. To have an overture. Played before the movie started. Because I remember Star Trek. Had the same thing too. Yeah. One of the most. Yeah. So. That was one of the last movies. Had an overture.

[01:02:36] Played before it. Not only that. That. That kind of. That movie. Led to. That movie. Led to. Disney. Founding. Founding. Touchstone Pictures. Yes. Good. Good. Good point. Because they did this for Buena Vista. If you watch the movie. It says Buena Vista. Does not say Walt Disney Studios. It's unfortunately. Still a common thing with this. Them. Like. Even with the Fox. Searchlight purchase. They still are.

[01:03:06] Unsure how they want to market some stuff. And it's just like. Come on Disney. You got money. You know. If you want people to see your stuff. You know. Don't do. We already mentioned the crappy HBO exec. Who. Does the whole. I want everything to be a tax write-off. It's like. You're not going to get your money back. Put it out there. Make your money back. In. Theaters. Or from TV airings. It will happen. But. If you don't advertise it at all. Then you deserve to lose money. And piss people off.

[01:03:37] And. I want to say that. Black hole. I was going to say. The black hole. Was a. Was a precursor. Definitely. Tron. And. It was. It was. That's right. Many have. That one definitely owes a little more to Star Wars. But it's still good in its own right. Just the whole.

[01:04:07] Super villain. With unstoppable armies. And the hero. You know. Realizing he's the chosen one. To me. It showed. That Disney was. Testing the waters of something. Making it more. Not necessarily. Making it. Still making it somewhat kid-friendly. But making it more. Adult oriented as well. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And. I. If. If. I would say. If. Black hole. And. Tron. Had. Had done better. In the box office.

[01:04:38] I honestly think. Disney would have gone. In a completely different direction. Than they did. In the 80s and 90s. Totally. Yeah. Well you gotta think. They had a period there for a while. Yeah. But you gotta think. That you know. They were making stuff. Like you know. The Kurt Russell movies. Hot lead and cold feet. You know. The world's strong. The world's greatest athlete. You know. What was the one? What was. What was the one they did? The apple dumpling game. The apple dumpling gang rides again. You know. Gus. The field goal kicking mule. Herbie. I remember. The other Herbie movies.

[01:05:09] Escape to Witch Mountain. I remember that one. Yeah. Escape to Witch Mountain. What was it? Escape to Witch Mountain. Return to Witch Mountain. Wasn't it? Return to Witch Mountain. Yeah. The Witch Mountain movies. Yep. Those were. Those were. You know. A little bit. More. I don't want to say adultish. But they were more kind of like. You know. They were. They were. They were. They didn't have the PG-13 rating yet. Yeah. When the Black Hulk came out. Yeah. They were more. Tweening. Type movies. Not necessarily adult. Yeah. They were moving in that direction. But.

[01:05:38] It was still. You still had that core audience. That they were. Trying to catch on with the kids. That were growing up. And. They weren't really. They didn't have the cartoons anymore. The rescuer. Yeah. They were. They were trying to. Cash in on that. Side of the equation. And. Even so. They had. I'd say. They. They were going in that direction. And. Black Hulk. And Tron. Were sort of. Taking those next steps. And.

[01:06:08] Like I said. If. Those two movies. Had taken off. Or. They cut. Or they had. Cutting. Caught. The. A cultural zeitgeist. That the Witch Mountain movies did. Then. Who knows. They. They may. They may be a vastly different company. These days. But. That's the funny. That's the funny thing. With the black hole. Because if you go to Disney. They have all the stuff. They're from all the movies. And like. You just ask. Hey. Do you have anything from the black hole? Everybody kind of looks and goes. What? Unfortunately.

[01:06:38] So. I think a lot of people. Have seen it. But there's still. I guarantee you. There's probably still. Movies on Disney Plus. You can't find. There's a bunch. But there's still. Probably going to be a few. I can. Here's something funny. I can remember going to Disneyland. As a kid. In 1980. In 1979. Going. Going to Disneyland. And Main Street USA. They were hyping the black hole. So what happened was. Was that.

[01:07:08] On the one. Couple of the. Couple of the stores. Had. The guys from Disney. Whoever did the Disney. Were. Actually made the windows. Look like the USS Cygnus. Oh damn. Wow. The black hole. The Palomino. Because there are pictures of it. There are pictures of any version of Disney. Oh. I don't. I don't. I think most of those. My cats are gone. But. I tried looking. I tried looking for pictures. And there's like three or four. I've seen on the internet. And I said yes. I remember that. I remember that. Because I was going like.

[01:07:38] Holy. World. You know. These were amazing. I thought they were toys. No. This was. The guys at the Disney department. Going. Okay. Let's make. Let's really give this movie. The good push. That it needs. And if I can remember correctly. The toys came out that Christmas. Yes. Mm-hmm. And they were. Migo. Migo had signed on. Yeah.

[01:08:07] They got the rights to Buck Rogers. And they got the rights to the black hole. And the black hole figures. They weren't that good. You know. They. They. Well. You know. They made the. They made the Palomino. You can only fit like one figure in the Palomino. You know. Well they should have a play set of the Palomino. You know. And. Migo. The funny thing is. Migo had. Both Star Trek. The motion picture. And the black hole. Mm-hmm.

[01:08:37] Yeah. So. That was kind of like. You know. You're kind of sitting there going. We got two licenses for two movies. Which one's going to do better than the other one? You know. They thought they could make more money doing that. You know. Having the two. That's a shame. So. If they were to make a comic book. Like continuation. How do you envision it would be like? Because it's probably the best compromise now. Is. People can do crossovers. And other stuff. Instead of have to. I would.

[01:09:06] Dispute a movie being made. I would say. They're. They're in the probe ship. They. They. They find. The other version of the sickness. And the Palomino is intact. Act. And. The thing is. Is that. They're seeing themselves. In the Palomino. They know that Harry Booth. And. You know. Alex Duran are still alive. They've got to escape with them.

[01:09:35] They know what they have to do. And. They. They let Reinhardt. Go through the black hole. But he takes them with him. And when they come out. It's like. They're. They're back in their time. You know. It's like. It's kind of like. They jump forward. And back into time. So. They have to go back. They have to circumvent everything. To make time. What it was. You know. It's kind of like a time travel thing. Yeah. What happens is. Is that.

[01:10:04] They have to now go. And. You know. They. They. They have. They realize they have to go back in time. And stop. Reinhardt from killing Frank McRae. From. You know. Stop. You know. From stopping all this stuff. So. It's going to be like. I would do that. But then there's another part of me. That says. Earth. Like. What happens when they get back. If it's not. Yeah. Earth we know. Have it be. It would be a lot of brainstorming. How can we show. Like a. Fictional kind of society. Without it being. The billionth.

[01:10:34] Starfleet. Knock off. Well. I would say this. If they were. If they were to do it. They go back. They go back to Earth. And they find. You know. They come back. And they're like. Okay. We found the sickness. It was destroyed. Allegedly. What do we do next? Yeah. Allegedly. Allegedly destroyed. Until it comes back for the sequel. Yeah. Well. Well. What's going to happen. Is that. There's going to be another guy. Who comes along. And says. I'm going to try to.

[01:11:03] Go through the black hole again. But. You know. It's like. They have to do something. Where it's like. What if Reinhardt comes back. And takes over the Earth. Wouldn't that be. Wouldn't that be creepy. That would be. A cool twist. You know. And it wouldn't feel formulaic. Like. If you just. Keep leaning into that grimness. While it's also. Fun. Unusual adventure. I think that's. You'll avoid it. Being a. You know. Buck Rogers. Flash Gordon. I would.

[01:11:32] I'm coming back next time. You know. I would love to see a prequel. About how this all happened. About how. I'd be cool with that. Just. If you're going to make it be a movie. Make sure. You're not just. Please make it mostly be unknowns. Or semi known character actors. So we're not distracted by who's playing what. I'd love to see. If they were. If they had. If they had done it. Again. Even a mini series. They were talking about. I'd want to do that. There's. There's. They might be doing a mini series.

[01:12:02] From what I hear. Oh. Oh. Wow. Wow. But. I would love the mini series. To be about how. This all happened beforehand. How. It would actually. Meaningful. And it could stand on its own two feet. Like. You know. Show this. Sci-fi thriller. Yeah. Show the Cygnus being built. Show. You know. Frank McRae. You know. You know. Hans Reinhardt at odds with certain things. You know. I would trust anyone to mess with this.

[01:12:31] This would be very hard to goof up. You know. It wouldn't be. Like the billion Star Wars or alien. You know. Spin off. You know. Show. Show. You know. Kate McRae. And Alex Durant being two kids. You know. Two. You know. Harry Booth. And becoming space crew. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe even show them how they designed their ship. That would be cool. Yeah. Show. I would. I would love for them to have a scene where. You know. You know. Like. You know. You know.

[01:13:00] Hans Reinhardt is. You know. Looking at this thing. Saying. You know. Project S-T-A-R. Show when he becomes unstable. And how he doesn't realize it. Yeah. It's the prototype for the Sentry. And then. For the Sentry. And then. For the Sentry bot. And this is. Project. Project Maximilian. Show how he gains his crew of robots. And how he builds them. Or something. You know. Just. Yeah. Yeah. The only. The only thing that. That would make me a little hesitant about that. Would be. If it turns into.

[01:13:30] Caprica. Yes. Yeah. We don't want to have a Caprica. We don't want. We don't want. I love both versions of Hellstar. We don't want to have the reboot. Or the remake of The Prisoner. We. We need to have. Oh yeah. It needs. It needs to have. Like. If you want to do. It needs to be. It needs to be. To speak. I mean. It would be really hard to goof up. I think it could be like. Any version of say. The Fugitive. Or Equalizer. Mission Impossible. As long as you follow.

[01:13:58] Or like any variation of Star Trek. As long as you are following the main. Premise. Yes. But yes. To your. Points. Guys. Don't. Don't. Don't have it be. Just like by the numbers. Like here's where Reinhardt. Had a business meeting. And got laughed off the stage. You know. We've seen that in a million. You know. Mad scientist movies. Let's. Well. The thing I'd love. I'd love for him to do. Is be this scientist. Who has like a dark. Shady. Backers. Who say look. The Space Appropriations Committee.

[01:14:28] Isn't going to give you this. We're going to make them. Give it to you. There you go. Show his followers. Versus. No. No. No. Like he begins to start saying. Oh. I don't know if I can do that. I'm a man of science. You're a man who we see the future. Of leading this. Leading this. This planet into another dimension. Show how there were other puppet masters. Before he became the one. Pulling it. Yeah. And then. Show Harry Booth. You know. Being.

[01:14:58] You know. Interviewing him. You know. Talking to him. And show. You know. Kate. And Alex's. You know. And you know. People. You know. Two. Two. Science teachers in college. Or something like that. Show. Show. Show. Holland is like a. Like a space pilot. Or something like that. Instead of being a space fleet. Just show. Why are they good with science? Yeah. And don't. And make it like. Make him like. You know. Okay. We have this idea. With family Robinson in space. No. I'm just kidding. We have this idea. You know. He says.

[01:15:28] Here is. You know. He. He rolls it. Here is my. Here is my plan. And he rolls out this piece of paper. And it's the USS Cygnus. He says. This is what you will make for me. And this is what I will have. And he has to be like. And he's got to have that accent. No. I'm just kidding. Yeah. He's got to have that accent. I'm like. Like a. Like a. Like a. Like a. Mr. Bond. Yeah. Like a. Like a World War II Nazi. Who basically. You know. Escaped to Brazil. I'm trying to think of. Who is a good European actor now.

[01:15:57] Since we don't have Max von Sadao. Who's another one? No. No. No. Max von Sadao. You know. No. No. Who do you get? Waltz. Christopher Waltz. No. Hugo Weaving. Or. Or. What's it. He's the guy from. Inglourious Bastards. Christoph Waltz. Yeah. Christoph Waltz. He'd be great. I think he'd ham it up a little too much. So. No. He would. No. He would know. He would know what to do.

[01:16:27] Who's the younger. Who's the older guy. Also in Bastards. Who I was actually thinking of. He's like a German guy. Please tell me he didn't just die. Yeah. No. Not Brühl. Although he's decent. He's like a big. Big. Big guy. Like in. Sylvester. John Banner. Sylvester Groth. And if I show you a photo. You'll be like. Oh. I've seen him. He actually looks a little bit like Shell.

[01:16:57] I. I. We thought. I thought. Like if they were going to do a remake. Of the black hole. Way back. Who would have made a good. Freaking. Hans Reinhardt. And I said. Alan Rickman. Oh. That would work. Rickman. If he had said that line. On my ship. You. You know. I love that line. Where he says. Call him off. Reinhardt. Call him off. And he's like. He's like. On my ship.

[01:17:27] You ask. There you go. Yes. He's been. I didn't say. Yes. Call him off. Yeah. He was leaving. Is a good one. I think. Because. Lately. I just saw him in a. 1860s. I want to say. No. It wasn't 1860. But it was. I saw him in some cool war western. And. He is getting to that stage. Where he's finding ways to play. Other kind of important figures. Who are in that gray area. Instead of do. Red Skull. Or Agent Smith. For the billion times. So I.

[01:17:56] I think he could do it. Totally. It's just. It's all about the material man. It's just. And like. If they give this to any film crew. You know. Make sure it's people who. Really like philosophical. Stuff. And they're not hired. Just because they can make it all. Pretty and glowy. You know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The ending. I'm sorry. Go ahead. I've been thinking. Reinhardt. It really moved the plot along. But you know. It really defines his madness.

[01:18:26] In this film. He welcomes these new guests. Hmm. And he lets him wander around his complex. Or his ship. Watching him on a little TV screen. And then he goes. We must liquidate them. It's like. I'm sorry. He's going to let them discover this stuff. Because he. Because he's crazy. He's obsessed with a black hole. And they were getting in his way. Basically. You know. No. That's true. That's a good point. It moved the plot along. You know. That's the movie. Realizing. Hey. You know. We're in on.

[01:18:56] The insanity. Of this. Yeah. And how these characters are finally. Getting their head out of their ass. And realizing. It's like Jim Jones or somebody. Sure. It is a Jim Jones. Yeah. I love. When he's. When he's at. The same year. Wasn't it? That was. 79. 79. Oh yeah. 78. It was 78. Oh man. Anyway. I got dark. But anyway. Post Manson. Yeah. They had an idea. The thing I loved about that movie. Is when he's like. When he's like. You know. He's just. You know.

[01:19:25] Your probe ships only through the event horizon. How he says. We are going to slingshot ourselves. In. Through. And beyond. And he's like. He's like. He's like. Okay. I wish you all the luck in the world. You know. Like. Like they're all looking at him. And like. You know. You see. You see Anthony Perkins going like. You know what. I'm going to stay here with him. I'm going to see what happens. When this happens. And you realize at the end. Anthony Perkins is going to be the sacrificial lamb. Because. He. He. He kind of like. He takes. Remember he takes the mask off.

[01:19:55] Of the humanoid. And the humanoid. Is this like. Zombie like figure. I remember being in the movie theater. And people were like. Like that. You know. And. He says. One of my. One of my greatest creations. Off the. He would have died. And it all comes. He's like. Come on Kate. Let's get out of here. And they're running towards the elevator. And. Maximilian takes the whirly bird blades out. And you know. Basically. He's like. He's like. And he's like.

[01:20:25] You shouldn't have killed him. He was a good man. Yeah. He's like. And then he turns. He says. Protect me from Maximilian. He is dangerous. And she says. If there's any justice. The black hole will be your grave. And he goes. Take her to. Take her to. Surgery. And she's going to. They're going to lobotomize her. And there she is. I'm just saying. I'm saying correct. Yeah. I'm like. That whole thing. Oh God. I mean.

[01:20:55] I. And I love the part. Forrester's fighting the robot. He's like. Hitting it with his hand. With the laser. Goes. You know. And see. It's okay to introduce. Scary elements. In otherwise. You know. PG PG-13 thing. Because I think that prepares you. For the peril. Of the real world. That's. That's. A good example. Of good versus evil. On screen. Yeah. And it's something for the adults. So they. Don't feel it's over predictable. And. You know. I want something more. From a Disney movie. More than just the inevitable.

[01:21:25] Your animal friend's dead. Or the mom's dead. And you gotta wait. For 20 minutes. Before you get your shit together. It's just too much. It gets even worse. The older you get. Well it gets older. More annoying. The older you get. Because then you're just like. I really don't want to introduce this. To any kid. The thing is too. This movie kind of brought a little bit of a. You know. Power down for Disney. Because I can remember. You know. Pete's Dragon came out. The year before this. I think. I believe you're right. In 68.

[01:21:56] 78. 78. Pete's Dragon came out. Yeah. So then it was like. It was like. The Black Hole. Tron. The Black Cauldron. Which nobody ever talks about. I really like that one. Yeah. The Black Cauldron. I don't remember any other Disney films. Coming out. I think Disney was like. Dragon Slayer. And they split that with Paramount. Dragon Slayer came out. Yeah. Came out with Paramount. I think Dragon Slayer was a great movie. Totally. And you know. That's. But you gotta realize. Disney was like trying to like.

[01:22:24] Make itself grow up. And people didn't know how. And then when they saw the Domitian Returns. They're like. We're gonna stop. I'm like. Well this. You're on to something. You know. They were like. Squanto. Was that Disney? Squanto. Yes. Oh Jesus Christ. Squanto. TV Spring. Your movie. Squanto is playing in. No movie theaters today. Yeah. Oh. Squanto. Oh Warriors Pale. Is playing at. One o'clock. Oh. And that's it.

[01:22:55] Poor Adam Beach. Love that man. But. Oh. Oh. I can remember like. Like also. Then Disney started to come back. With like you know. In the 80s. They were coming back. Like you know. You know. With the. You know. The Aladdin. Little Mermaid. And stuff like that. And they were making little. Nice little live action movies. But. Eventually yeah. I think. The Black Hole. Was a movie. That kind of was like. It was. It's. It's. It's great. For its time. But. It.

[01:23:24] It kind of was like. Signaling to Disney. Hey. We're going a little too. You know. Everywhere. Or. Everywhere with this. And. Pick a lane. And. Choose it. Everybody says. This was. This was on the bandwagon. With Star Wars. It just happened to be released. Two years after Star Wars. Right. It's a year. It's a year before. Before the Empire. Strikes back. Other than the droids. Nothing really with Star Wars. It's more lost in space. Yeah. It was more. It was more to me. It was.

[01:23:54] It was first season. Space 1999. There you go. Yeah. Because again. Any sci-fi. It's more to do with travel. It's got more to do with that. And yeah. It's a disaster movie. In the last. 40 minutes. But it's. A compelling one. As opposed to. Who died on the Poseidon. You know. Well. I find it funny that. Ernest. Ernest. Was in. Was in the Poseidon adventure. And then he's in this. Yeah. You remember. He was trying to sacrifice himself. In that one. In here. He's trying to save his tiny.

[01:24:26] Well. I think the one thing. That gets me the most. Is that. When you watch the movie. The. The Cygnus. I mean. I thought the Cygnus. Was a giant. Huge spaceship. When they filmed it. Like you know. It's one of those. Like you know. Like you know. How did they do that in space? Yeah. It's a mini. It's a giant. It's like a miniature. Maybe about seven feet long. Yeah. Looking at it here. I don't know how they pulled it off. I really don't. Because. Most other stuff. If you can often tell. There's wires. And what have you.

[01:24:55] And it's just like. However they hit it. Good on them. They. Yeah. If anything. It was kind of a sign that. For all the other. Independent. Effects companies. Like Digital Domain. And Rhythm and Hues. That you know. Not everything has to be. Just ILM. It can always. Be what you were doing. Beforehand. You know. With puppets. Again. Like. Like we said. In house. You know. Yeah. In house. These were in house guys. You know. These were guys that shot. You know. Had done movies. And stuff like that. And they were like. Okay.

[01:25:25] We got to do this. We got to do this. We got to do this. We got to do this. You know. And I think that's the great thing. About watching that movie. Is like everything you realize. It was done on the set. Everything was quiet. The guys in the back. You know. The guys who were doing the special effects. They were doing their thing. And it's amazing to watch. They were using. They were doing computer generated special effects. Yeah. And everybody was going. Wait. Computer. Yeah. Some of them had computers. Generated effects. You know. Which I think was amazing. You know. Yeah.

[01:25:55] But. But the matte paintings. Were amazing to look at too. They really are. Stephen has a suggestion for us. Gary Oldman. As Reinhardt. Oh God. I feel like he's done that to death. But hey. If you dial him back. From the fifth element. Bad guy. All right. Yeah. That won't be hard. He's in the minority. He actually hated making that movie. Because he didn't want to do it. Which is so weird. Because he does a good job. So you're just like.

[01:26:25] Oh. You're too close. Maybe he'd. Kind of do his character. From. One of the more recent. Planet of the Apes movies. That. That would be cool. Yeah. Just the. Same kind of power dynamic. I'm right. You are wrong. Can I just say. That Robert Forster. After this happened. You know. After he did this movie. He does alligator. And then he kind of like. Disappears for a while. He does low budget stuff. He agrees. He. He said this was like. The last big. Big big Hollywood movie. He made.

[01:26:54] Before it became Mr. B movie. And. It's a shame. That I will encounter people. Who have seen Breaking Bad. And they only know him from that. I'm like. I've seen him in everything. What are you talking about? He was in Breaking Bad. I don't remember him being. Yeah. Jackie Brown brought him back. It did. But. Yeah. Max Cherry. Bill Bondsman. Remember. You've seen the Breaking Bad movie. El Camino. Right? No. I haven't. No. Okay. I forgot. He plays the guy. He plays the guy in the mechanic shot. Ed.

[01:27:25] Okay. And he won a Saturday night. For it. On that. I love. I love. I love what he talks. He's like. He's like. We could be. We could also be dead. You know. I love. I love his. I love his. Like his deadpan. You know. I don't take crap from anybody here on this spaceship. You know. But. I think the thing I love is like. He's like. He. He'd done like reflection in a golden eye. You know. He'd done a. Yeah. Medium pool. Immediately after that. Yeah. You know.

[01:27:55] And now. Now he's doing this. And it's like. You're like. Going to yourself. Man. He's a good actor. I remember seeing him in Alligator. And. He did another. He did another movie where he was. He plays. He plays a guy. His wife gets raped. It was like. Vigilante. Vigilante. Vigilante. Oh. I love Vigilante. Oh. With recurring co-star. Williamson's. There you go. Yeah. They did so many of the same kinds of movies. He's like. You're a good guy. You're a good actor. I found. I found a.

[01:28:24] Max Cherry. Bill Bondsman. For. Bill Bondsman's t-shirt on Tee Public. I don't think they have it anymore. Yeah. They had a. They had the Max Cherry. You know. Bill Bondsman t-shirt. And I was looking for it. And I was like. Shit. I just love to get. Right about the time he died. I was like. You know. Max Cherry. That's some dedication. Reddit has so much good stuff. I'm always trying to get. Some kind of custom. T-shirt. And. I applaud anyone who could make that. Because.

[01:28:54] It's not cheap. And. You know. Well. They do. They do have the Black Bolt t-shirts. Oh. Well. That's good. But. They've got. They've got one with the Palomino on it. And then they've got one with the Cygnus. Oh. There you go. They've got Vincent. They've got old Bob. They've got one of the Maximilian. So maybe that's what people got to do at cons. They got to be wearing that. And so then. Everyone can hang themselves out the drive. And they're like. I don't know what even that is. I'm like. Okay. Then we're done talking.

[01:29:23] You never heard of the Black Hole? You know. It's like. You're a black eye. Oh. But yeah. It's. Like. If. Studios want to keep claiming. Hey. Stop doing that cosplay. Stop doing that custom t-shirt. It's like. Well. Then. Acknowledge the fandom. Acknowledge. The audience. That you have. That have this. That's good. This movie.

[01:29:53] And you do see a lot of like. Behind the scenes stuff. You know. Embarrassing that. Independent bloggers. Have to do all these reunions. Oh. I. Instead of. You know. The filmmakers coming out of the woodwork. Every 20 years. And saying. Hey. Here's something new. You know. It's. I mean. Gary Nelson. God bless him. He passed away. Around COVID. Yeah. Yeah. Gary Nelson died. Robert Forster died of cancer.

[01:30:23] Unfortunately. You know. Fortunately. Anthony Perkins died of. AIDS. Ernie Borgnine. I think. Died of. Just old age. Givet Mimio. Is not with us anymore. The only one who's with us. Is Joseph Bottoms. Yeah. He's. His brother. It's Timothy. Timothy. Timothy Bottoms. Yeah. Timothy Bottoms. Um. Was Joseph in. Apocalypse Now? I. No.

[01:30:53] Wait. Okay. Which of the Bottoms. Was in. Apocalypse Now? Um. Sam Bottoms. That's it. Okay. Sam Bottoms. He passed away. In 08. He did a great. Timothy Bottoms played a great villain. In. Uh. Roller Coaster. Yeah. He also. One of Spielberg's favorite movies. He also did the best George Bush ever. That's my favorite. Plot of all of them. I thought. Yeah. And. I think it was made by the Columbo creators too. Livingston. Yeah. I think it was. Yeah.

[01:31:23] And the great thing too. He did the best George Bush. He really did. Hey. If you watch the show. That's my Bush. Mm-hmm. He fucking nailed George. The first time I saw him do it. Was in the Crocodile Hunter movie. Well. No. The first time I saw him do George Bush. Was when they did the 9-11 movie. Do you remember that? That. They did a movie with 9-11. Yeah. And he played George Bush. Oh man. And I was like. I was like. Holy shit. Who's playing? Oh. It's Timothy Bottoms.

[01:31:52] They always pick him up. Flight. Flight 89 or whatever. Or 94. That one. Not that one. This was. I don't think Bush was even in that one. Yeah. No. This was like a 9-11. Time of Crisis or something. And. Yeah. What's funny is it had so many other awesome actors. Who've been in every presidential political thriller. And some of them have also. Repeatedly played Condoleezza. Not the Nicolas Cage one either. Nope. Not that one. But. But.

[01:32:22] James is right. In that. He was kind of on that calling card. For whatever reason. They're just like. We need you to play the president. And if we can't have you play the president. In a crappy TV. Or directed video movie. We want you to play George Bush. I think. I think the thing that gets me the most. Is I've watched. When you've watched the black hole. So many times. You begin to realize that. You know. This was a movie. That was like. So. It was not meant to be. A happy sci-fi movie. It's supposed to be like.

[01:32:52] It's supposed to be like. It's supposed to be like. Okay. What happens at the end. Yes. How does it end. How does it end. Was there going to. You know. And that's the thing. It was longing for more. But it's more natural. As opposed to. How many sequels. Yeah. Out of this. None. None. But I would have taken. Yeah. Did they go back in time. At the end. And. They're hitting the earth. Yeah. Yeah. I would have taken. What happened. I would have accepted a trilogy of this. That would be okay.

[01:33:24] Looking at each other. And they're like. Holy crap. We went through it. And then. They look up. You see like the probe ship take off. And then they're. There's. There's the. You know. The planet in front of the star. And you're like. Okay. Now they're going to find their own way home. But in the Alan Dean Foster book. It's not necessarily earth. No. It could be a different planet altogether. Stephen also mentioned. It's not the moon of earth. Stephen also mentioned. Off air.

[01:33:52] How the final countdown is a mirror of this. An obscure. Yeah. Kirk Douglas and his chin fight the Japanese. Wasn't it young Martin Sheen also? I think. It was Martin Sheen. That's what it was. Yeah. Martin Sheen. Ron O'Neill. Catherine Ross. Charles Durning. Just a weird ass cast. I don't know what to make of that.

[01:34:22] James Ferentino. Oh man. You know. And like Martin Sheen's like. There's a TV favorite. Martin Sheen's like. Supposedly I go back. I meet my grandfather. I get into a fight with him. And I kill him. I don't exist. We can't. You know. And they're like. They send up all the planes to fight the Japanese zeros. To stop the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Yeah. It's like. Bring. Bring all the planes back. What? Bring all the planes back.

[01:34:51] We're going to. Drop the mission. We're going to go through the. Path of the thing again. Okay. He's getting up there. In age. And the captain of the USS Nimitz. Nimitz. And each time you're expecting the Europe song to play. Oh God. Oh. Oh. Thank God it's not. But. This has been delightful guys. I feel like we have. Pretty much summed up.

[01:35:21] Yeah. This is a very rare. Like two totally different movies. But pretty agreeable. One requires a little effort. The other. And we're both in space. In space. Yeah. But without any pigs. And this. Yeah. The second one was kind of like. I think everyone should teach like a film studies visual effects course. And just show this. Is like hey. Regardless of what are you. Even like sci-fi. Like. This is a natural. Just well done movie. Like.

[01:35:51] Yeah. Even if you want to blast the plot apart. It still does so many things way better. Compared to other ones. Like they're coming out with another alien movie. And I'm just like. I have no interest. It's. Romulus. I heard about that. What the hell is that about? It's by the guys who did. Don't breathe. And it just looks like. Again. It doesn't look like a Saw type movie. But it looks just like. A lazy gore fest. I'm like. That's not what I want from Alien. The gore has to be earned. Same thing with Star Wars.

[01:36:20] They keep going to just the pew pew fights. I'm like. I still got to care about at least one scientist or Jedi. Before we get to. The substance. Or. Not the substance. The content. I need substance first. To. Can I just. Can I just say one thing? Last night I did bar room trivia. And it was Star Wars night. Oh man. Somebody. Somebody asked the question. The guy asked the question. What planet. What. What unknown region planet. Did Kylo Ren. Find the Emperor Palpatine.

[01:36:50] And I wrote it down. And. And this guy yells out. Fuck the rise of Skywalker. Fuck Disney. They fucking ruined that. Fucking trilogy. Fucking cocksucker. And everyone. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Drunk fanboy. You know. Yeah. You're at a bar. So you're going to have some issues. Yeah. There was an issue in a bar? Oh. Do tell. Yeah. I don't think he had.

[01:37:20] I don't think he had issues so much as he had subscriptions. Oh. He has a fucking library. He sounds so fucking. Oh. Be careful. The two librarians are. Yeah. All right. I'm not talking. I'm not talking. I'm not talking. I'm talking a library of just a lot of anger and rage. Well, you didn't get laid in high school. You know. There should have been some librarian who came up eventually and just was like.

[01:37:49] This young one is not worth the effort. Come. Let me get you something. If you don't want to answer it. No one is forcing you. I don't like that movie. I'm not going to go out and be a dickhead. Just saying. Goes around. Comes around. You know. Like. Let's say it's your favorite movie. How would you react. If you got that same amount of venom. Yeah. I mean. I would just. I don't get people that go on social media and pick on. Yeah. No one is forcing me to like this movie.

[01:38:17] Movies or music that you like. You've got nothing better to do. You know. No one's forcing you to watch. Sad little man or woman. You know. You are a sad strange little man. Yeah. There you go. But yeah. I mean. It means a lot. Just to. I mean. I would have been just a wise ass. I would have just been like. I would have been like. I don't know. 42 from Hitchhiker's Guide. I just would have been. I would have been like that meme.

[01:38:47] That has a photo of Gandalf. And makes all these. Obi-Wan and Harry Potter references. Like just. Yeah. Don't. Break the ice with humor. I still. I still giggle a little bit. Because of the fact that. When. Disney brought out the black hole. Right. I remember Star Trek being advertised. The black hole was basically just done like as a. 40. 45 second. Advert. As like. A place. You know. A thing. You know. A thing of such immense power. That planets.

[01:39:16] And lights up as well. Meanwhile. You've got Star Trek coming out. Going. You know. Star Trek's coming out. You hear like. You know. You see like the. The preview. And you're like. Well you know. William Shatner. Leonard Nimoy. Star Trek. A motion picture. And it's like this big giant push. Yeah. And you. It's just like. Okay. Knights of the signing. Disney. Yeah. Disney's releasing this. And. Paramount's releasing this. And I think. The big fan base. Is going to go with. The guy with the pointy ears.

[01:39:45] And the other guy who overacts. Is. Let's go with Star Trek. You know. My parents fell asleep. During Star Trek. They got better. They got better though. I did notice. The beginning. Scenes. Of. Black hole. Very reminiscent. Of the. First Star Trek movie. With. Just big shots. Of space. Ships. Long. Remember that? Yeah. It was all hardware. Yeah. True. Hardware wars. No.

[01:40:15] Just kidding. Yeah. Yeah. Hardware wars. You'll laugh. You'll cry. You were the same year. You were the same year. Like you were saying. Yeah. I can. I can remember. Like being in the movie theater. When the black hole hit. And they played a. Disney cartoon beforehand. Well. Which one was it? And just like. I. I don't know. I don't know. It could have been something. They just. You know. I was there. When the towers. You know. And then I'm like. And then I'm sitting there. And I'm like. I'm like. I'm like.

[01:40:44] I told my mom a couple years ago. Before she passed. So I was like. Can we go in to see this? And they played a Disney cartoon. And she's like. Yeah. I think they did a Donald Duck cartoon. And I'm like. Thinking to myself. Let's see. Donald Duck. I'm all happy. And nice. The black hole. Somebody gets. You know. Inviscerated. And you know. Some guy gets blown up. You know. It's like. Jesus. Blown. Blown up. Yeah. Okay. That was a different black hole. That's the parody. When they played it in Times Square.

[01:41:14] Got it. I'm going to still. I'm going to still say this. Here's the funny thing too. Yvette Mimio. And. Yvette Mimio. And. Ernest Borgnine. Were in a movie called. The Neptune Factor. Like. The Neptune. Three or four years before. Wow. Before. Before. I'm not upset. I've seen Saturn 3. I have not seen the Neptune. Yes. I saw the Neptune Factor. I've heard the name. It's the title.

[01:41:43] Directed by TV director. Daniel Patrick. My God. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's going to do with. With a. Bathosphere. Something like that. Yes. Ben Gazar's in it. So. Mimi. I don't like to say about. We're on this. Like you say. And. What was your take on it? I know. I didn't. I didn't get it. I don't know what the hell happened. All I know is I watched it. In my. All I know is I watched. I watched it like a couple times. Like. And I always think of Gilbert Gottfried.

[01:42:13] Talking about the aliens. Coming out of the spaceship. Going. Ben Gazar. Why didn't he get a series? He's a demon. Because. What's it rated on IMDb? A 4.4. Perfect. Oh. You know what it really needed? By Fox. Hmm. You know what it really needed? A killer. Ballooner. A killer balloon. Perfect. I'm sorry. What it really needed was a. You know.

[01:42:43] Richard Bassart. Yes. Gypsy moves. Why are you having a chance with her? I'm going to. Isn't it me when they do that Gypsy Moon sketch? The best. The best. Best Jack Haley I've heard in a long time. Yeah. Why are you having a chance with her? Yeah. You know. He's really good with that as well as his impression of.

[01:43:13] What's his face? Gregory Peck. He does Gregory Peck. But then he also does. What's his face from the elephant man? Potatoes. John. John. John. Dr. Chief. Would you like to see my cathedral? True. Of course. Of course. There's also David Jansen. And David Jansen. Yeah. I love. I love.

[01:43:41] I'm Chuck Heston for cocktail. The great lady down. Oh God. At least he said that and not Orca. With Richard Harris. I was. I was making somebody crack up a couple of years ago. I was watching. Listening to Opie and Anthony. And Jim Norton was talking about the elephant man. And they were talking about how he did. A shaving kit. I got a shaving kit. Oh that's wonderful. And I'm like. So I started going. I started. I started. I said.

[01:44:11] Hey you guys want to hear something funny? I said. To John. You know. John Merrick. John Merrick getting. John Merrick going to McDonald's. A Big Mac. I got a Big Mac. Okay. I'll give him a case. People need to continue the train to make fun of. If it takes a spoof to remind older generations about earlier actors. I think that'll. That'll always be a hit. So next week.

[01:44:40] I was thinking we could go into men on a mission stuff with. The wild geese. Oh God. And we. Well it's a pretty open chat. Like what we could talk about other just wacky. Men on a Mission. Italian trash. Because there's plenty of others. But. Why. Why that. That movie. And it's two unrelated sequels. Which I'm sure you can find on YouTube. Or just. Something. Wild Geese 2. And Wild Geese take a shit on my lawn.

[01:45:09] And then Wild Geese 3. Who cares? This time it's personal. This time. Wild Geese. It's diarrhea. Yeah. Wild Geese 3. This time they're getting. They're getting. With. Wild Geese 3. This time they're flying south for the winter. Follow us on the web. On Facebook. Twitter. And Instagram. The podcast is available on Podbean. Spotify.

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