Skinemax Tribute (with MMA Fan & YouTuber Mike Radich)

[00:00:00] I thought I'd stay in. There's a good TV movie on Skinemax. And that's how you like to live your life, is it? Yeah. Back in 98, I did a low-budget TV comedy for Skinemax, Sex Camp. Remember it?

[00:00:15] You know what's crazy is I know what's happening at my house now. Because one night I heard... Yeah! What's he doing? Becoming a man! And I was curious. I'm like, I wonder what he's watching.

[00:00:30] So I started flipping through my channels, trying to find something that would spark interest. Sure enough he's watching Skinemax. And I know that's what he's watching. I know that's what he's watching. Because out of my TV, I'm getting direct sound.

[00:00:44] And then I'm getting like a little delayed echo down the hall. You know? So it's like... Ugh! Yeah! Ugh! Yeah! Yeah! I saw him the next morning. I said, what were you doing last night? I was playing Nintendo. Yeah, whatever. You're playing... Whee!

[00:01:16] Due to its sultry late-night programming, viewers have given a particular cable network with nickname. H.B. Orgasm. Independent Filth Channel. Skinemax. Screwtonic. Gammie, I am so sorry. Yeah. Really. I am not that kind of a girl.

[00:01:36] Well, actually, I think my parents will be proud to know I have no idea. So I'm gonna ask the audience. No problem. Oh, you think they would definitely know. Yeah. Brandon needs your help. 69% You pervert! If you're right. You guys won't get into that.

[00:02:11] I'm sure you all plan this. Okay. And 69 is very much the appropriate sound. Only on millionaire. Family television. Yeah. Well, if you seem to know what you're doing, I'm gonna go see Skinemax's final answer. Gammie, did you think it was Skinemax?

[00:02:27] Okay, she's not telling, but it is Skinemax. Yeah. Welcome all. Welcome all. We got another lovely YouTuber here, Mike Radich is in the house. If you need anyone to cover late great B movie icons like LQ Jones or Larry Cohen, he had the really random podcast.

[00:03:34] If you want to meet a number one Lone Ranger fan, he's your guy. If you want to just keep up with him on Twitter on all the big MMA fighters. He's your guy. Hi, Ben. I'm good. I'm good. Thank you for having me on. I really appreciate it.

[00:03:49] Yeah. We tried to have all kinds of fun topics and I figured we could go into the B movie realm and just how marketing has changed. Content has changed even just substance for lack of a better explanation. And we've got a lot of great content.

[00:04:05] We've got a lot of great content. We've got a lot of great content. We've got a lot of great content. We've got a lot of great content. We've got a lot of great content. So, I think we can get into this. Substance for lack of better explanation and.

[00:04:20] I just figured we could talk about just the hysterical just history of all the movie channels in particular there is the infamous skin of Max but it's just it kind of goes into everything.

[00:04:32] How it was the HBO world premiere movie Hey, you don't have to go to the video store yet there's this exclusive indie film with these has been actors like James Spader Lou Diamond Phillips. We're going to premiere it before it hits blockbuster or Hollywood video.

[00:04:47] And kind of like how TNT was kind of the mainstream, like we're going to upload a blockbuster movie two to five years after it's come out, modified form. And TVS was kind of the campy, sitcom, air stupid, low-rated comedy and action movies

[00:05:06] and cinema action kind of that same deal. And what are some of your earliest memories? Post-80s just seeing all the nightmare fuel, foreign films, documentaries and even weird stand up that they used to carry.

[00:05:30] I just remember seeing and you know, this is going to be no pun intended. But I just remember seeing all the random stuff. Yeah. It's like, what is this? We have stand up, we have sports, one minute we have a movie.

[00:05:43] One minute we've had movies that are made specifically for that channel. For a late night. I just remember like the randomness of all of it. And I was very intrigued by that. I was like, this is pretty cool that you can just go from everything.

[00:05:55] Because remember there were certain channels or certain companies, however you want to put it, who were specific in one area. Then when you see people are doing everything, you're like, well, why can't we just do that? Let's just do everything. Yeah.

[00:06:10] I got, I had bootleg cable back in the day and it was so funny how I would be switching between Cartoon Network. There's a time-worder connection and then this. And it was just so funny. It was kind of the go to on Friday.

[00:06:21] And if you didn't have that, then you had something just wacky, like even sci-fi channel or USA Network or just any other network. But it was, yeah, like you say, it is just like anything not on parent general HBO were airing.

[00:06:37] And sometimes they'd be the first one and then you'd see Showtime try to carry some of the same mustard. You're like, no. There's no better time for movies than Max Time. 10 o'clock every night of the week. Catch a hit movie on Cinemax.

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[00:07:31] This doesn't have the same rhythm, but I'm the funny memory of for me is and you've interviewed some of these Starlets. It's hysterical how some of those actors is like you'd see the just downright like handsome built guy.

[00:07:46] And next thing you know, you see him in some stupid B movie, martial arts film or one of those full moon Charles Bands monster movies. And then other times I'd see him like just on anything like as a random marine accused of murder on an NCIS episode.

[00:08:00] Same thing with the Starlets is like you'd look at their resume as like one episode is a gorgeous alien babe on Star Trek, a few USA Network shows and sci-fi channel creature feature. You're just like, so what a weird resume, but they had no shame in it.

[00:08:15] And I see that a lot of people say they discontinued this kind of off colored content by 2016. I recall it going until 2018. That's when I recall they finally pulled the plug and said, we can't keep up with the internet.

[00:08:27] We can't keep up with video on demand and we legit want to be airing some better TV shows like Banshee and Strike Back, just action shows, not any of this other off color stuff. But it's so funny how HBO would always pretend to be the

[00:08:43] we're the more classier one, but then you'd see off color stuff on, you know, Sopranos, Oz and even documentary shows like real sex. And you're just like, I thought you were the classier one. Right. Right. What's anything?

[00:08:55] And you bring up a great point because that's really what kind of killed Skinamax was. Yeah. Look at the content that they're putting out. Just these are regular shows. These regular shows are so. Even before Game of Thrones. That there's no need for that anymore. It's crazy.

[00:09:14] So it's like, you know, we're trying to be the classier brand. Yet we're putting on stuff that really kind of resembles what we claim we don't like, which I always thought was quite interesting. Absolutely. Dude, we just did a special on Howard Stern's same kind of deal

[00:09:29] where is this like we hate your content, but secretly we love it because ratings hit. So is this like so I just can't win. I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't. You kind of got those with those Stephen Boxco shows,

[00:09:41] LA Law and NYPD Blue were really risky. And those were on network TV. So Buffy, I remember, I think got fined by the FCC and then the FCC kind of screwed off after all. You're like, no, we're good. Yeah, we're not going to complain anymore because no one

[00:09:56] turns out the parents council doesn't really care. The following movie is rated R. Yeah, yeah, the whole shift just went completely that way where, you know, in the 80s, 90s and early 2000s, the skin and max type movies were, you know, a lot of people

[00:10:13] out there consider them porn. I don't. I consider them kind of comedy realm. I watch those and laugh. I think it's comedy. I don't watch those and think of them as anything more than just a fun little thing.

[00:10:26] I know I'm in the minority of that, but I just think they're a funny little no, I know exactly what you mean. I don't find them anything, you know, like, yeah, I just think that that it's just it is what it is. It's movies.

[00:10:37] I mean, it's just a B movie. It's something like that. But people get really caught up in it. They go, oh, this is, you know, really important. If you talked to a lot of the actors and actresses who appeared in these movies and you ask them,

[00:10:50] hey, is this porn? They go, no, like what are you talking about? And of course, there was a crossover where they would have adult actors and actresses in them, but they did have their own stable of regular actresses who would appear on Star Trek,

[00:11:04] would appear in a show like Silk Stockings. I exactly. You can't be in a movie, a B movie or a mainstream movie and like, you know, the third pirate from the left, you know, the third part, the waitress, the, you know, even some

[00:11:20] stunt people and you'd see on there, you look at their resume, you know, Transformers one from five, you know, and then coordinator on every other Andrew Stevens night eyes movie. You're like, oh, there is a crossover. But like you say, yeah, for the most part, I mean,

[00:11:34] there's a reason they called it action match or filler match. When you want killer flicks that never quit. It's Saturday nights at 11 30 for Marshall match. But so much hands on combat, it's the ultimate fight. Well, do you follow what I'm saying? Mitch John Wu action with Japanese anime.

[00:11:55] For the most part, they were just American pie or revenge of the nerds type comic sex comedies. And then they would do the let's have the sleazy private eye movie, you know, protecting a starlet from a serial killer.

[00:12:07] And yeah, they hired the adult film stars because this was before every crew was required to have a intimacy coordinator is like, well, they're comfortable with this kind of programming. And in a way, they're freed up from those kind of contracts.

[00:12:21] They'd rather be a Roger Corman babe as opposed to a, you know, adult video store babe, you know, but yeah, very true. There is a huge difference, you know, there would be some plot. There might be a loose one, but at the same time, you know,

[00:12:36] for the most part, they would be just a stupid parody of like Indiana Jones or right escape from New York. And right. And for the most part, even if there was like maybe 10 minutes of a plot and mostly sex, it was still like you say, it was funny.

[00:12:53] Like half the time you'd see the guy wearing a sock or the gal just having an off color line of dialogue. And just the self awareness, I think is what really made it fun. And unfortunately, a lot of people, like you say, we'll just look at that

[00:13:07] and be like, oh my God. And it's like, well, if you don't want to go to the video store, you can wait till after 10 o'clock and it'll be on here in the privacy of your own home.

[00:13:16] And some of those babes have gone on to do a lot of other cool stuff. Jack Wi-Hallon, I think is now a screen queen. Some of them were, you know, you would often see it like at an award show, like on Spike TV or the

[00:13:32] cute groupie and like a bunch of heavy metal music videos and so or video games. So yeah, it's always funny when you encounter someone who you can tell is watching that same kind of programming and they just look at you like, it was someone gives it.

[00:13:47] It was interesting because I would always see them in these movies and then look them up on IMDB and then see them in a mainstream type movie and always be very interested in seeing them perform just a regular rule. Yeah. And I was always interested in that.

[00:14:05] I always thought like, you know, that really is what sets it apart from what people think it is to what it actually is, is because these people are just doing an acting job. Yes, there's nudity. Yes, there's the simulated. It's a little brow, but it's not.

[00:14:20] It's just an acting job and that's all it is. I mean, people make it out to be way more than it actually is. And I always thought that was interesting that these people just looked at it. Hey, this is just an acting job.

[00:14:33] I'm an actress or actor, whatever. And I'm just doing this no different than you see some of these movies that they're making now where, you know, it is a more serious version of a soft core movie really. If you really is.

[00:14:49] And it's like people don't want to learn from history. It's kind of like when people complain, I'm sure you get this when you do research on, you know, Tonto and the Lone Ranger. You see a mixture of snobbiness, political correctness

[00:15:01] and then just even other stuff where it's like when people complained about or praised for lack of a better word, 50 Shades of Grey. It's like, well, that this is just a regurgitation of that erotic drama from the 80s and 90s that Adrian Lin kind of

[00:15:16] right near and you don't have to like it, but that's what it is. It's kind of like when there's a new buddy. I mean, all these other homage action blockbusters like Now You See Me or Olympus is Fall. And it's like those are regurgitating all the other oceans,

[00:15:34] eleven, die hard and I mean, even the Expendables are a good example. Just all the earlier blockbusters that were a thing and people like to kind of just forget or not compare one another. I'm like, it's not that far afield guys. It's but like you say it.

[00:15:49] I mean, when you interviewed Christine Yin, you know, she's the same kind of gal where she's done all kinds of movies and productions and she's had she's wisely kind of just stopped talking about it because she realizes, you know, her husband doesn't understand it.

[00:16:03] Other people don't understand it. And it's like, you know, I'm just not going to waste my time with you. You're not going to listen anyway. Right. Right. And it's kind of weird because I always thought a lot of the star

[00:16:14] outlets who appeared in those skin and max movies could have been way bigger stars like absolutely stars. Like I see some of the women that they put in some of these movies and TV shows, and I'm just like. I I don't see a difference.

[00:16:29] I think that these people that I talk about and have watched for many, many years could do the same job. They're doing stars on the sopranos and Game of Thrones. And no one bats an eye. I'm like, well, it made sense if there's some adult situations

[00:16:45] on those movies or on those shows. So but yeah, it's like it's a popularity contest almost. And yeah, I don't know why some of their careers didn't pick off as much if people are a picky because I knew some people who used to do

[00:17:00] internships at different L.A. studios and they would notice that some of those adult studios would even be having casting calls like a few lots over at Universal and even Fox. They'd be running it out. So I mean.

[00:17:14] And you can I mean, when you saw like a Joel Silver movie, you could even tell who was watching what like what it was. Yeah, I saw so many B movie actors on Tales from the Crip as

[00:17:25] or as much as there were, you know, famous people, you know? So yeah, I don't know how the cookie crumbles nowadays. I know Jim Wynorski and Fredo and Ray who've done all those off color movies in addition to Roger Corman stuff are now working for

[00:17:41] Charles Ban at his full moon thing. But so I think that's the closest you're going to get as a throwback to that kind of off color B movie fun. Yeah, I mean, some of them are really fun and like you say, interactive on social media.

[00:17:55] I know Cindy Lucas is really hysterical and. Yeah, like you say, I don't I don't understand why there has to be a prejudice. I mean, yeah, people let people watch what they watch. I mean, I would see half these actors in that now I've seen them

[00:18:10] kind of switch it up. Almond Joseph was kind of one of those guys. I saw him on some of those zamed sex chronicles and, you know, he's he's gone on to be unjustified a few other things that the shows were kind of fun.

[00:18:25] But, you know, compared to Showtime, which was kind of just all over the place, just a bizarre anthology. I mean, best sex ever, erotic confessions, all those other just wacky erotic travel type shows. Those were just kind of just can't be again, late night fun.

[00:18:44] And you're just like, hey, they're just so much fun. I can't look away. I love them. I do. Yeah. But I watch them for a different reason than people think I watch them because they are fun. Like I don't I don't make them out to be

[00:18:57] anything more than what they are. Is there a denial? Also, what does it matter? It's just what it is. The camera works also not when they try to make it serious. It's still funny for me. Even the dramatic ones that they made.

[00:19:12] I still stop laughing because the situations they get into are so unrealistic. I have no no choice but to laugh. Absolutely. And it kind of even reminds you of I mean, just like when you're watching Mr. Science Theatre, what is a good movie and what is it?

[00:19:27] But what's so bad? It's good movie. What's a trashy fun movie? It's because like you say, you could easily make an argument about even a hospital or mystery show that's on primetime TV. They all have to follow a formula and regardless of what you buy it or not,

[00:19:43] they just have to make it entertaining. So yeah, it's but yeah, to your point, I mean, I would even see some of those cinematographers and they'd gone in places because they did a good job making that engaging. I mean, they look great. The show is all great.

[00:19:59] I mean, of course, they're made on a limited budget, but for what they are, they look great. Oh, totally, dude. There was one one of their final shows they did. It was kind of Santa Max's answer to real sex.

[00:20:13] If you haven't been getting enough sex lately, real sex, that is, then get ready for the ultimate fantasy. The best of 12 shows, the cream of the crop from the real sex series. If it was good for you the first time, just wait until we do it again.

[00:20:25] It's coming. The best of real sex. It's the best sex you've ever had. Premier Saturday October 7th on HBO. It was called Skin to the Max. So see what they did there. It was kind of a play on of their word.

[00:20:37] And you could tell, OK, these some of these people are actually models and they're going to real places to supposedly get laid. But you can tell it's all staged. Yeah, I'm not seeing for sure. Reaction size, so to speak.

[00:20:52] But it was always just funny just how they tried that at first. And at some points, it looks like they're actually fucking. So that might have been for an international version. I'm not sure what happened there. They did a great job. They did a great job.

[00:21:06] They made it stick. No pun intended. Right, right. It's just. It's it's very sad. I mean, the whole the whole world has changed really. I mean, every talk to bottom, everything's changed. But it's really sad that those shows went away.

[00:21:21] But what I've been asking around to certain people who have worked on those productions and they've all come to the same inclusion of look on the internet. Yeah. I mean, but yeah, I know what to mean. The guy they've all come to the same conclusion, the internet.

[00:21:36] You can find whatever you want on the internet and these things look tame compared to anything that you'll find on the internet. So there's no need for this anymore. Then there's the whole thing about, well,

[00:21:47] there's a lot of people who don't like it because of what it is. Well, this isn't real. This is simulated. So I don't want that. Then there's just won't watch it ever regardless. Like, yeah, this is really not my thing. I'm not into it.

[00:21:57] So when you add up all those people in those three groups, there's really no market for it. Absolutely. I tried interviewing Robert C Lombard. Yeah, the casting. We cast a lot of them and he was just like,

[00:22:11] oh, I'm only going to spill the beans if you pay me like five million. I'm like, no, thanks. But it's funny how I would see that mainline releasing logo and then you looked at other stuff they done. They would do even kids movies and serial killer slasher.

[00:22:25] So, yeah, but to your earlier point, some of those companies that were all about, you know, wherever the cookie crumbled is just like, well, we'll try this. We'll try that out. Well, we'll do half and half. Yeah, it's it's just so sad because I love all those shows.

[00:22:41] I really was into the shows, the movies they were fine to. But it was really the shows that really stuck with me, especially the ones that look forward to 2005 to 2010. That sweet spot. Those are the shows that really.

[00:23:04] And there would be a reason for it to be that sleazy. It was kind of in a way almost unintentional commentary is like, let's have a sex therapist. Hey, let's have a photographer who's got very busty models

[00:23:16] who they're both giving each other the I like you I, you know? And it was like, yeah, so harmless, fun, nothing creepy about it. Nothing scandalous is like it's silly. I mean, there was one which was kind of a

[00:23:28] Blade Runner kind of show for science is like, OK, so it's going to be by a Star Wars art director and is going to have sex. And it's also going to be a Blade Runner matrix mystery. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Yeah, just all good fun. So much fun.

[00:23:45] And if you missed it, it'll repeat, you know, two hours. Yeah. I mean, they were on loop all the time. Like you could find the same show or same movie over and over and over again. And that's really how I got interested in seeing all these

[00:24:01] is because I would see them all the time. I mean, I wouldn't watch them from start to finish always, but you would see the first 10 minutes and then you'd come back four or five hours later and you'd see the middle of the movie.

[00:24:12] And then even if you had a DVR, you would often be so invested in it. You're like, I'm not going to even press the clicker. I'm just watching. Yeah, I would always try to watch everything they made at least once.

[00:24:26] And then I would keep revisiting the ones that I liked. I would always give the movie or TV show at least one depending on what it was, if it was a movie, one watch, if it was a show, maybe two or three episodes. There you go.

[00:24:40] Did you know if I'm going to continue to watch this or not? Totally. It's even more surprising how many companies let their content be premiered on there. You know, Lionsgate, Sony, Prism and there are a few other ones, but yeah, some of those companies are still around.

[00:24:58] You know, they're making all kinds of still kind of off the wall, kind of edgy content. But like you say, kind of the mystery, the essence of it is kind of a little missing there. But yeah, the shows were always fun because you couldn't get them anywhere.

[00:25:12] And if they were released on like VHS or DVD, it was obviously and edited compilations. So that took out the fun. Yeah. You water down. So you're like, but like sometimes I took out the fun. Sometimes I would I would just I would do it the opposite way.

[00:25:28] I would do it the regular way sometimes. And then other times I would watch it like without the good parts. Oh, there you go. I'm telling you, I'm weird like that. I actually do this stuff for what it is. I enjoyed it all the way around.

[00:25:42] I do it a few occasions. It's, you know, it's good if you still want to watch it before you get to the naughty bits. It's just like when you watch an action movies where is like, is it good with before you get to the five,

[00:25:56] you know, car chases and fight scenes? OK, cool. But then there's other times where you're like, this is not good because I'm having it's a chore getting to the so-called content. Right. So I find myself doing that now more than ever because there's so many options out there.

[00:26:14] It really is. You know, 10, 15 years ago, you would just be like, OK, well, I'm just going to watch this. Now you have all these streaming services, all these TV channels, Oh, absolutely. the internet, you have unlimited options, YouTube, all this stuff.

[00:26:29] You don't have time to waste on bad stuff or stuff that you don't like. Absolutely. There's multiple problems within that because then you won't try stuff new. And that's a lot of stuff that we're seeing now where,

[00:26:40] well, I'm not going to test out this new show or new movie because I already like the stuff that I like. So why when I just keep watching the stuff that's been proven to me to be good? There you go.

[00:26:51] I can understand that, but also I think that that's going to be a big problem. Oh, it already is. sooner rather than later. The there I was fortunate enough to talk to some guys who had started off doing some vampire indie action films and everything.

[00:27:09] And as some of them has when one of them went on to do makeup effects on other blockbusters like I am legend and he's he's worked on even SVU and the the Power TV show.

[00:27:21] And I told him powers probably as close as you get to like an 80s kind of action crime exploitation kind of death wish film. And there is a lot of edgy sex content on that also, but it's awesome because you don't have to wait for it.

[00:27:35] And it is actually part of the plot and the plot's so dense. You're like I'm I'm willing to let accept anything you guys throw at me. But like you say, there are other ones where it's like the trailer was so cool.

[00:27:48] Well, and behold, the interesting part didn't happen until episode five, but you already build after, you know, episode two. So like is like you say is I think we are now at a point we value our time actually now.

[00:28:00] And if it just doesn't land, it doesn't matter how many people tell you you should watch it as like, well, but I have to wait. I don't want to wait. Yeah, I find that to be a big problem because there's a lot of stuff

[00:28:13] from the past that I would have never found or been interested in. Had I been living the way we're living now. And that's. Oh, yeah. Is there's a whole generation of people who are growing up

[00:28:43] in this marketplace where you don't have time to be going through all this stuff where the guys of our age range, we just, you know, we just would go on TV and turn the TV on if there was something random

[00:28:55] on TV that we thought was cool. We're watching now. Ever doesn't even have that option really. They're just picking out what they want. Absolutely, dude. Predetermining what they're watching before they even turn their TV on, which is sad in a way. It really is. But Lord help us.

[00:29:13] We can you can you imagine the whole what if game? Oh, what if I never discovered this? What if I never saw this movie franchise? But same kind of deal. We were at people are forgetting the time where it's like you didn't have that option.

[00:29:27] You had either the rewind or reject button, right? The record on the VCR or when you got to DVR, same kind of deal. It's like you'll watch it, but you might delete it soon because you're going to run out of space unless you have the trailers.

[00:29:41] The trailers is what really gets me is now you just go on the internet and you find them back in the day. You had to go to the actual movie theater to see what was coming.

[00:29:50] And I remember seeing a bunch of trailers for a lot of movies that I really loved, maybe not the trailer that much. I maybe don't really remember the trailer, but I remember seeing that there was a movie about like Batman Begins or The Dark Knight. There you go.

[00:30:05] Those trailers in the theater and knowing this movie was coming was very, very exciting to me and not knowing before even walking into the theater that I could see a trailer about this character, these movies, whatever was the exciting part. Now you'll find on social media,

[00:30:23] hey, two hours, two days, two weeks, whatever, we're dropping the first trailer. So you already know that it's coming and you know they're making this movie and you're already kind of just sucked in before that you even like it ruins the surprise.

[00:30:38] You already know that the things coming before you see what the trailer is. And that's really a sad thing that we don't have that anymore. That surprise that, oh my God, I can't believe this is coming or

[00:30:49] can't believe they're making this or even even movies that you're not anticipating. There were some movies over where you just saw the trailer and you're like, this is interesting. I didn't know anything about any of the actors. Didn't know anything about anything about anything of this movie.

[00:31:07] I didn't know it was being made. Nothing. See that trailer. I'm going to go see this now. Now you're just you're just going off of you're really going off of of high social media and really. You know how much to go off of because you'll find

[00:31:22] everyone either is in the camp of I love this or I hate this. So it just depends on where you see. If you see all the people who hate it, you're going to hate it too. If you see other people love it, you might give it a shot.

[00:31:32] It's it's a weird, weird world. And they don't seem to be learning from the trailer. Like, because like you say, there was a time I think I think you're right. I think Batman Begins and the Star Trek reboot kind of started it.

[00:31:43] And then Christopher Nolan, Jordan Pill kind of did the whole even Dennis Vanav to a point with his dune, just show very little and somehow get people very anticipated and riled up. And they're going to see it opening day, even if they think it sucks.

[00:31:56] Just those guys are master it. But then there's all these other ones where it's just very hectic, annoying music video edits with loud music playing. And gone is kind of the whole I got you or a fun Don LaFontaine setup.

[00:32:11] I mean, there is a return to kind of the adult filler, kind of like a lot time to kill or presumed innocent kind of movies coming out. I think Open High was the best example, whether you like it or hate it.

[00:32:21] But then there's other ones, like you say, you're still missing that kind of interactivity because I mean, after after the Sonic the Hedgehog scandal, it just seemed like studios aren't even looking at their trailers. They're just kind of letting marketing run loose

[00:32:35] and then wondering why they're not going to return. I'm like, well, did you see your trailer for your product? It's it's not advertising the actual product. One thing I wish they would bring back is the voiceover. Yeah, voiceover. I want to hear someone tell me a story.

[00:33:06] I don't like how it's all these little clips and and just the actors who are in the movie talking. I want to hear the voiceover. I can remember like I can remember the entire trailer for the movie. Douglas was one.

[00:33:19] Chuck Norris, I can remember the entire trailer word for word, the voiceover guy for that movie. Like it's stuff like that. I can remember weird lines. Hell, you're a Lone Ranger fan. That was missing from even the Lone Ranger trailer.

[00:33:34] There was no sense of a return to the serials of, you know, the 40s and 50s. And it just seems like like you say, it's just you wish it was a return to that. I don't know why they don't want to return to that.

[00:33:47] It really there's one cool guy called Ashton Smith. You'll hear his voiceovers on the closest you'll get is like a Lionsgate movie starring someone like Frank Grillo or Liam Neeson or Bruce Willis. But yeah, I would hear his voices.

[00:34:06] I'm like, oh, shit coming to TNT or next up on CNN. But like that's you probably have heard his trailer, his voiceovers in like war with Jason Statham. But that's as close as you get.

[00:34:18] But yeah, the other ones just seem to just kind of linger here and there. I mean, if they're not going to do that, at least maybe do something kind of like Star Wars to like make it a comprehensive. Show me all the like five different battles

[00:34:33] that are going to be fighting and make it epic. But I don't even see that now. It's just kind of too much. We're like, you say social media will make or break a movie. I'll see people bitching about how fake the CGI that's unfinished is.

[00:34:46] And I'm like, well, even if it's a good movie, your movie is kind of not going to make any money now that you got all those nitpickers. Yeah, yeah. Two things. One, the 1981 movie Legend of the Long Ranger, that trailer.

[00:35:01] The movie they had Fred Foy do the trailer and he was the radio announcer on the radio show back in the forties and fifties. And they brought him back. That's so true. The trailer and that was the mayor of Del Rio,

[00:35:15] which was the town where that movie took place in. But his scene ended up getting cut and they had him do the voiceover in the trailer. And I can remember all the dialogue in that trailer. And also I see you're wearing a Raiders of the Lost Star.

[00:35:29] And that in that trailer, they have a voiceover guy. And I always remember and I do a horrible impression. I'll do it for you now. I'm going to ask him to do it, but I do a horrible impression of it. But I always remember it when he goes.

[00:35:42] Raiders of the Lost Ark, a film from Steven Spielsberg and George Lucas. That's how he talks. Oh, man, perfect. I remember that and it's a voiceover. And that trailer just sticks in my mind because of the voice.

[00:36:00] And now that isn't even something that they're even interested in doing, even as a throwback, even some of these movies are trying to tap into nostalgia. They don't even do that. I don't know why. Yeah, there is a good connection to Raiders and Legend of the Lost Ranger.

[00:36:15] I'm a huge fan of Terry Leonhard, who did all those death defying stunts, including the Raiders, Karchais, he's done everything from the train jump in the fugitive. And yeah, death before dishonor with what's his name from Hunter. But yeah, same kind of deal.

[00:36:34] It's like I feel like there's even a missing component. Like John Wick's kind of the closest you get to people wanting to know how awesome stunts and makeup and set design is done. But you still see other people where you're like, hey, these guys

[00:36:49] have been around for a while. You should really follow them. They're amazing. But yeah, even the mispronunciation in the trailers, that was a hoot sometimes because there was something kind of, I don't know, kind of compelling. Yeah, didn't really work, but it was kind of fun.

[00:37:07] That stunt that you mentioned, it was in the Legend of the Lone Ranger. Yes, I got trampled by the horses. So bad. Came back later, perfected it for Raiders of the Lost Ark. And recently I was watching a full breakdown of Yakima Canut, who first did that stunt.

[00:37:25] He did it in my favorite cereal. Well, he first did it in Stagecoach with John Wayne, but then he did it. He actually perfected it where it was jaw dropping in my favorite all time movie cereal, Zoro's Fighting Legion. Amazing.

[00:37:43] And that's something that's also been lost to because of CGI. Now they can make that stunt work no problem. Right. Get trampled. Nothing would be to just do it. However, CGI and away we go. But it looks so much better when you see a guy really do it.

[00:38:00] It's incredible. No kidding. Yeah. And there's I feel like everyone's also just willfully just forgetting about all the safety is like it can still happen. I don't know why we have to forget all the previous stuff, because like you say, people are tired of this stuff

[00:38:20] that just doesn't look very convincing. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the whole thing with the CGI Fest, I mean, it's gotten out of hand. Like everything is CGI. Romantic comedies are CGI now. Yeah, they're not really on top of everyone's doing something

[00:38:39] that's got some sort of special effects or something in it now. And and I was talking to someone about Star Wars the other day and how, you know, Star Wars is not as popular as it once was. Sure, amongst the certain age group, very, very popular.

[00:38:56] But there are people who have started to check out especially with this last movie trilogy not being very good. The right people who saw Star Wars back in the 70s were completely shot by what they were seeing, because they hadn't seen it before.

[00:39:11] Now, everything that we're seeing, we've seen before in a way. So Star Wars doesn't have that same connection being with people based off of that alone. So you would have to really crank up the storytelling of the movie and have really good actors and a really good plot

[00:39:26] to make that movie work. And unfortunately, when you mix in the the CGI and people kind of being desensitized that and then you mix in the plot and the character and things like that. Strong, the whole thing goes down

[00:39:43] and the person kind of fought me a little bit. But then eventually I was able to sell them and they're like, you know what? You do make a pretty good point about how the special effects back in those days, we were seeing stuff.

[00:39:56] You know, George Lucas didn't invent that stuff. He invented the technology to make that stuff. And now I'm continuously using that over and over again. I mean, look at how neat him. Yeah, we didn't just do this stuff for our health.

[00:40:10] You know, we had we had to go out and make the technology to make that. Now, you are making technology and wondering what to do with it. They they knew what they wanted to do with it. They just had to create it to make it work.

[00:40:21] I feel like effects creators are almost as bad as show runners of a TV show. They have a cool concept and a cool idea, but they don't know how to make it last the whole season, the whole year. And same kind of deal here.

[00:40:32] You're seeing all these people, they want to franchise, but they're not realizing whether the story is strong enough or how to accomplish these effects and make them serve the story. But yeah, just because they mastered it doesn't mean they had to keep on. Lucas seems pretty clear.

[00:40:47] He could have just stayed behind the scenes. And I mean, Blu-ray is kind of ruined it also in a way to where we're now seeing mistakes that we didn't see, you know, 40 years ago. But no, that is totally true.

[00:41:01] It seems like so many people are just like, oh, you can't talk anything about Star Wars. It's like, well, this is just an overall constructive critique because there's plenty that it created and there's plenty that it took away from.

[00:41:12] And, you know, don't don't get us started on all the endless, you know, ripoffs and everything. Yeah. But yeah, no, I look at how need them. You know, he made a career doing wacky car chase movies with but Reynolds. Yeah, I'm pretty sure the script always came last.

[00:41:32] Yeah, pretty much that's not what you were there for. But like you say, it does also get annoying having to explain that to different people. I see people who are snobs at action movies now. And they'll be perfectly fine. Like they won't have too much CGI.

[00:41:48] They'll just be just simple car chases and everything. But the they'll be so picky about the plot, but they'll be OK with it if it's in like a John Wick or Bass & Furious movie. I'm like, well, hold on. What's the difference?

[00:42:04] And they can't they can't tell you the difference. It's kind of you want to even get into horror. It's amazing how some of them. Just assume, oh, I don't like horror. I'm like, I don't do torture, but I'll do a, you know,

[00:42:16] a Omen or Hellraiser type of movie. But it seems like so many people, again, they they can't explain why they like things, they just seem to think, oh, you just killjoy. I'm like, or maybe I see the inherent issues because

[00:42:32] to your earlier point, when you complain about a movie, it seems like you'll you'll get plenty of feedback that people like now that it's on home video and they've reseen it or they've seen it after all the hype has died down.

[00:42:45] They're like, hey, what was that all about? And it's like, well, I think you let the internet kind of pick this for you. You kind of just went with the flow. It's kind of like you got pressured into going to this party

[00:42:56] that you didn't really want to go to in the first place. Exactly. Yeah. But yeah, I wish there was again, but like you say, I just wish there was more monitoring on the CGI. I mean, Antoine Foucault seems to kind of do what Walter Hill does nowadays.

[00:43:12] He's like, OK, you'll there's going to be a CGI bullet head, but there's still going to be a blank hitting you. Mm hmm. Just a half and half at least. Give me most of a win as opposed to an epic fail that just doesn't look convincing at all.

[00:43:28] I think a lot of people have a problem with when it gets over the top. Like you do something that is very dangerous and you don't want someone to get injured or whatever.

[00:43:39] Or the star has to be like the face has to be seen in order for it to work. And they can do that. OK, we can do CGI for that. But when it becomes, you know, instead of four buildings being blown up,

[00:43:53] 400 buildings need to be blown up instead of a two or three car pile up. We need a 35 car pile up. Like when it gets to be so extreme like that, then that's when people really have a problem with it. Is that it just looks like a cartoon? Absolutely.

[00:44:11] I think tone and mood is I mean, those are two different things and they always seem to go out the door. Like I think I saw Hobbes and Shaw and there was like a third and fourth and fifth unit credited on that movie.

[00:44:22] I'm like, I've never seen those. I've seen a second unit, a third unit for Hawaii. Jesus. Right. And I don't know why they keep doing all these reshoots over and over and over again. Let's just make it much like that. Let's just go with how it is.

[00:44:40] And they have no excuse to do 15 reshoots. We need to read. Yeah, we need to redub this actor. We need to recast this part. The whole thing just whatever they've taken all the control away from the directors really when you get to a certain level

[00:44:58] at certain studios, really, the director isn't even directing the movie anymore. It's being made by the marketing department, the head of the studio, this person, that person, all these different people are touching it. The director, his vision is completely being lost.

[00:45:14] And you know, a movie like a Star Wars or Indiana Jones, those movies would have never been any good or probably would have never been made if the people who made them didn't make them. Like if Star Wars was made by the publicity department

[00:45:30] or marketing department at 20th Century Fox, the movie would have never made it or ever been any good. Yeah, absolutely. A movie there's so many films that do not exist without one or the other. There's so many that oh, even just a shot from like the seventh seal

[00:45:46] or Citizen Kane. But yeah, there are other ones like this where I mean, Tarantino will talk about all the exploitation and tasteless movies he's inspired by. And so people will check them out and they'll be like, Oh, it's a piece of shit.

[00:45:58] I'm like, well, it's the reason you have Pulp Fiction. Yeah, that guy is awesome. I love that guy. Yeah, I like the guy more than I like the movies actually. And I think his movies are great, but I like that's a good point. He loves movies.

[00:46:12] It's do you ever watch that kind of passion? No, you can't. Do you ever watch Joe Dante's trailers from Hill? Oh, yeah. I think that's a good kind of resurgent. Like there's a guy who, you know, should be bigger, but he has already had a pretty solid career

[00:46:30] and just he knew when to just finally say, you know what? I'm not doing studio compromises anymore. I'm going to do my own thing and you know where to find me if you need me. I've seen a lot of indie movies recently that

[00:46:45] I still don't know why major production companies, major studios aren't making them. Like I go on to be and I just watch. I'll find stars that I like and just, you know, go down. All right, here's a friend of five years ago and I'm like.

[00:47:12] Why am I watching this mainstream stuff at the theater when this stuff is so much better? And why hasn't anyone gotten a clue on this stuff is better? Let's make more of this and less of the stuff that we're losing millions and millions of dollars on.

[00:47:28] Thank you so much for saying that because, I mean, if anything, they pretty much took up primes. Deal of have all kinds of movies, let people choose. Let's do our own original movies. So here's some, you know, ghetto,

[00:47:48] you know, crime films and stalker films for like the lifetime or urban gangster crowd. Let's do a cool home invasion or supernatural terror movie. Let's have an original action movie or a zombie film. Yeah, and they'll get some name talent every once in a while.

[00:48:03] And you feel perfectly fine watching those originals as much as you do. I mean, I have found so many movies that I always meant to see that were on TV or at the video store, but I just could never get my hands on that are on there now.

[00:48:17] I if you want, you can watch even an awesome action show that still delivers like Highlander or Buck Rogers. Just go for it. You'll you won't be let down. But yeah, then there they have kind of just figured out the comfort viewing that we were talking about earlier,

[00:48:31] that is the you want to be able to online after working in the mechanic shop or doing, you know, office work all day. You know? And like you say, it is better than buying for a twenty dollar ticket

[00:48:48] to go see an unfinished movie that's already being torn apart by the Razzies. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I get shit all the time, trust me. When people were doing the whole Barbie and Oppenheimer and sound of freedom

[00:49:04] argument, I was like, you cannot pay me to watch any of these movies. I just it doesn't it doesn't click. I would rather watch the movies like instead of a Nolan movie, I'd rather watch Lawrence of Arabia for the billionth time.

[00:49:16] One of those other epics by an English filmmaker and instead of Barbie. How about we watch? I don't know. Transformers. Transformers. A toy commercial that's self aware sound of freedom. How about I just watch Taken or Death Wish again? I like stuff that has magic. I don't know.

[00:49:37] I can't really just describe what I mean by magic, but you know it when you see it. And no, I don't know. I mean, yes, you know, those Marvel movies, they make a bunch of money and they're great in bits and pieces.

[00:49:50] But for some reason, they lack that magic and, you know, Barbie lacks that magic. I'm with you. I was that way that are very popular lack that magic. And I what it is about these movies that just doesn't. I think I know why it's the homages.

[00:50:09] There there's two forced most of the time, like Song Chi has a moment that's a total tribute to speed and I kid you not. While I'm watching the beginning, I'm like, this is fun, but it's not great.

[00:50:22] But I'd rather kind of pause this and go and rewatch speed for the time. It's yeah, I think because they are reminding us of the superior stuff from before, it kind of makes us slow down and have to try.

[00:50:35] Actually, like when you saw a movie that was just junky, you somehow it had a sense of fun that you were able to turn your brain off. Now I find that we have to try too hard to turn our brain off

[00:50:48] because again, like you say, there's too many reshoots. There's too many cooks in the kitchen. There's there's too many people that kind of want this to be so many things. And you're like, I'm getting confused here. Yeah, you just you just hit the nail on the head.

[00:51:04] You said it perfectly. There's a lot of people who want to make one thing a million different things and they also want to make a movie or TV show for everyone when if you can't make everyone happy, make it for no one. It really is.

[00:51:20] That's what happens over and over again. Let's let's get every person or in the world interested in our show when it's a proven fact that even the most popular shows ever, not everyone watched. I mean, it was a great show, but not everyone watched it.

[00:51:35] Friends, not everyone watched it. Gunsmote was a very popular show, but not everyone watched it. Bonanza, not everyone watched it. Yeah, CSI, you know, whatever. Whatever billions of years rip off around everyone watches that show. But for some reason, you can't convince these people

[00:51:57] who run these networks or run these studios that we're the best. We'll just make this movie for, you know, this demographic and everyone in that demographic will come. No, it's not good enough. We have to make it for everyone. But then no one true, dude.

[00:52:10] I mean, I even see it with the snobs who only watch network TV or only watch the movie channels. It's like you can make it. If you just use your format really well, it will work. But yeah, you that is a good point, too.

[00:52:24] I see half those VPs of the programming, they don't even remember all the cool stuff that made the networks so revolutionary. Yeah. Yeah. And NBC and Fox seem to have definitely forgot about all their, like you say, hit sitcoms or something.

[00:52:40] Oh, remember when you were just kind of witty? Yeah. Can you do that again? It just seems like people in powerful positions have forgotten how we got here. Yeah, we got here with, let's say, Star Wars, because we've been talking about that a lot. Oh, it's very revolutionary.

[00:53:00] But you get a guy like George Lucas who has a vision and he executes that vision. And yes, he had pulled from different areas, you know, some science fiction, some science, some serials, all kinds of different stuff.

[00:53:13] But, you know, he put in a blender and he made something new. People refuse to do that anymore. Like, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's a proven formula that works, whether it worked in the past can acknowledge people in with a reboot or something like that,

[00:53:28] an attack of nostalgia or what's popular on TV right now. And we'll just do a modified version of that. And people make sure is a good point that you said there because I also noticed snobs who refused to acknowledge that there's different genres that are mashed together.

[00:53:46] Like Halloween is also as much a mystery slasher as it is a horror movie. Terminator has a poor elements early on before it becomes just action sci-fi. But yeah, that is true too. I see so many people are just like, oh, I wanted to be this.

[00:54:00] And I don't want it to be like that. I'm like, well, it kind of has elements of both, whether it's one scene or not. I see people who refuse to call their show their comedic show a comedy just because there's social commentary in it.

[00:54:14] I'm like, so call it a satire. Yeah, what's the problem? Oh, it was not funny. I don't think you know the meaning of satire. You're not necessarily laughing every time. I mean, starts your troopers as a satire. You are laughing at it intentionally

[00:54:29] or you can be the crowd who doesn't like it who finds it trashy and is laughing at it unintentionally. You know, it's just like Evil Dead. It works for whatever floats your boat. But yeah, yeah, I see so many pitchmen

[00:54:39] and other producers who are literally, I tell you, I haven't even been at some conferences. They are on a different planet. And you're wondering, how did you get this far? I think you should listen. Yeah, yeah, you can start. Yeah, it's Batman.

[00:54:57] It's like Batman with Adam West and Bert Ward. Now I watch that show and I can't stop laughing. But when I was five years old, I'm, you know, in fucking awesome. We're going to capture criminals. Like, let's do it. Now I just start laughing because, you know,

[00:55:12] I understand it better now than I did when I was six. The closest. Yeah. The closest. It's just all what, you know, anything really can be anything to anyone. Yes. Look, everyone can't make something for everyone. Like, you know, you can take a show like Batman

[00:55:32] where adults will be laughing and kids will be serious. But it's the same material. The way it is now is they'll make everything for everybody. We'll have a little bit of drama, a little bit of comedy and we'll mix it all together.

[00:55:44] But then people will be offended by the comedy or people will be offended by the drama so we can't make anything so the show dies like. It really does. But like you say, they try to do too much

[00:55:54] instead of just kind of convince the producers to leave them alone. But that's true, too. I will see people who will give you the stink eye and like I like what I'm seeing. I'm just laughing because I predicted the plot twist

[00:56:07] because I've seen too many movies or that was a little bit of overacting. I mean, my sister and I are pretty connected. We will everyone's small smirk at like an ex files or SVU episode. You're like, they kind of played them dramatic music

[00:56:22] a little too early on that one or that explosion didn't look the best, even though that was good acting. You know, you're going to get that. It can't be 100 percent every time. And you'll if you want, you'll you'll find a gaffer or a best boy

[00:56:36] or an editor who will talk some smack. They're grateful for their position, but you're like, oh, I wish they stopped doing that take. I wish he fired that cinematographer. He doesn't know what he's doing. I got to make him look good. But no, that's true, too.

[00:56:48] I think again, we've talked about the modules, but you keep hitting it on the head. I'm going to steal your thunder here. It there is too many of everything here. And instead of just picking a lane, picking a corner, you know,

[00:57:01] when you want to get around in traffic, you don't drive in both lanes. You know, yeah, you drive off the highway and get around and get to wherever you're getting earlier. And like you say, it's just yeah. And some people are really good at experimenting with all elements.

[00:57:18] Like they're very diverse. They are the coplas, the palmas. Maybe dare I say, the knobs of the world. But then there are other ones like you say who. I mean, at least when William Friedkin or some of these other guys did something that wasn't working,

[00:57:34] they still dedicated themselves to it. I mean, just like these infamous, cheesy, fun, goofy movies we've been talking about on this whole episode. I mean, they still would be very laid back. And so what they weren't successful at, you still forgave it

[00:57:50] because it was just can't be fun. And now, yeah, I'm losing track of all the clickbait articles to things that are great about this blockbuster movie. Five things, fans on IMDB hate about the new HBO show. And it's like, oh, Lord, if I need a clickbait site

[00:58:07] to tell me what I already think, then I'm already in jeopardy. I can't help myself. I can tell you why I don't like this or I find this to be war propaganda or why the action in a movie was cool.

[00:58:21] But the plot was dodgy and kept getting in the way of the fun. But there's so many people, they can't even do that. Like that. And then, like you say, you get even just the people with an unpopular opinion who are either not good at

[00:58:36] describing their opinion or do have valid reasons. But again, just kind of like Star Wars encouraged everyone imitate it. It's also kind of ruined all the fandom. There's so many fans who are stuck out. You're like, what? How can you hate that? And he's like, well, listen.

[00:58:55] He has five reasons he gave you. He found the villain week. He didn't like where. The story went. But if you're going to just tell him, he's fucked up and needs to go jump off a cliff,

[00:59:08] then why do you even want to listen to him when you're so stuck up? I don't I see a lot of shows and movies that are trying to be something that's not because the people who are making it don't want it to be what it is.

[00:59:22] And that's something that the Skin of Max movies did correctly was it never tried to be something that it wasn't. There there are notes from corporate were making it as busty as possible. Yeah, but we are and we're going to live with it.

[00:59:35] I do get that a lot of watch that's fine. Like, you know, there's all these people out there who we have to have everyone in the world love what we're making. And that's not just this is and it never worked that way.

[00:59:49] Even when there were three networks, it never worked that way. People when you have three shows that you could watch at eight o'clock, it never worked that way where people were watching all of them.

[01:00:01] People either were watching the other two networks or they weren't watching TV at all. Like you just it always went that way. And for some reason, people don't want to accept that anymore. They would make a show for everybody. Yeah, but everybody's not going to watch it.

[01:00:16] Yeah, but why not? Because people aren't people are taking not everyone will be interested in what you're making. Some people want to watch a drama. Some people want to watch a comedy. Some people want to talk shows and sports. People loves sitcoms.

[01:00:29] Some people want to watch a documentary about some people watch a documentary just for the sake of it being a documentary. You'll see a Netflix that'll watch a documentary about football one day and then watch a documentary about Kurt Cobain the next day.

[01:00:44] It's no it was just in documentaries. So you're probably not going to get that person to watch your medical show who's only interested in seeing stuff that has to do with real life people.

[01:00:56] Oh, my Lord, we're going to make a movie or a TV show that has to do with that so we can bring you in. Yeah, but people aren't interested in that. Yeah, we'll make it. Yeah, but then your show will be canceled. Yeah, there is definitely.

[01:01:11] It's like an inner and exterior. Yeah, it's like that so many people are just saying duly noted to each other and it's like the craters not listening and the suits. I mean, half the time the suits will go away if you just acknowledge them

[01:01:24] but don't take their advice. Yeah, but at the same time, you really should listen to, like you say. Everyone's voice in the room because it is all valid at the end of the day, like you say, instead of it's like I feel like they're getting

[01:01:38] a lot of people who predict social media algorithms and they're getting them into entertainment. I'm like you're trying to win over all these audiences instead. And then they're also trying to imitate other formulas that have worked. But see, crowds don't want that.

[01:01:52] They want something similar, but they don't want it to be so apparent that you were just copying and pasting. I know they did it with one of the Star Tracks. They're like, let's make this like Guardians of the Galaxy. I'm like, they want Star Trek.

[01:02:02] They don't want Guardians of the Galaxy. And yeah, it seems to be a lose lose. I don't know. Someone went deaf. You bring up an interesting point and I haven't thought about it until now, but what on the social media side of things?

[01:02:18] If social media had been around, let's say 40 years ago, be working the same exact way, like, like is social media causing people to act this way or are people acting this way? And social media is just falling. Like, I don't know.

[01:02:33] Like would people have had the same problem in the 60s and 70s with the shows and movies that were being made? If social media was around that they have a really lovely point. It's kind of like, I don't know. You kind of got this with Radio Hosts.

[01:02:48] How many how much of the audience is based on the crazies that call in versus like you say, people jumping on random bandwagons on some random video posts they saw? That's a good question. Yeah, I it would definitely make you wonder.

[01:03:04] Yeah, I think with 40 years, we would at least have more things to study. Like how much of it was fear mongering versus. You know, popular kid in school hanging out with the dipshits or yeah, it does make you wonder how where that audience would be determined.

[01:03:24] But at the end of the day, yeah, people just got to thank for themselves. And I don't know how much of it is they legit want to think that or they just want. I mean, I've been invited to other talk shows and I always look up

[01:03:36] whether the guy just has hot takes or if they just want to legit shoot the shed and have a fun discussion like I invited you on here because I know you could at least break a lot of things down and it would just be fun

[01:03:49] getting to know you better versus I see so many other people. They just want to kind of just like, whoa, whoa, whoa. You know, is this an episode of Mori? I don't want to do that.

[01:04:02] Yeah, I'm not I'm not really like that because I can see the good in everything or I can kind of see where they were going. If something went well, I can see why it went well. Something went bad.

[01:04:13] I can come up with a couple of logical reasons to bring that could have went. Like when I see a really bad movie, now my my default. Just to go to is, well, I'm sure the writer, the producer, the director really had no power here.

[01:04:30] I'm sure it was somebody higher up said we got to make it this way or edit this out or recast this or whatever it is. Oh, and I basically give a path like if anyone says, oh, this is the worst movie I've ever seen.

[01:04:44] I basically give a pass automatically to it like probably that movie that you just saw the guy who you're blaming isn't really to blame. Right, especially with so many producers who have come out and been responsible for recutting movies like Madam Web is a good example.

[01:05:02] Everyone's instantly piling up on the director. I'm like, well, I'm looking at a resume. It's pretty cool. So I'm she gets a good out of jail free card for me. You know, it's not like you ball like it was kind of a guy

[01:05:14] who just made a lot of amateur movies with German tax cuts and it would beat up anybody who talked shit about him. So it's just like, yeah, I think a lot of people don't much like they don't know how to speak for themselves.

[01:05:29] I think that's just it too. They don't know how to stand on their own two feet. I can respect a filmmaker who at least talks about what went on on a commentary track, but you even see less of that now.

[01:05:38] I don't I see I see people give like a cover story and then they come out five years later. Yeah, I was forced to say that because I wanted to still work and sell myself out. I'm like, oh, come on, just be honest.

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[01:07:28] There's something enlightening for everyone with this crowd of cool cats. Check them out. But that's really where my mind goes now. Like I haven't really seen a bad movie because I don't allow my brain. I haven't seen a bad TV show because I don't allow my brain

[01:07:49] to go there because of all these different things that have nothing to do with the actual show I'm seeing on the screen. It's all the background stuff and the social media stuff and all that kind of

[01:08:03] mixed into one that has forced me to look at things that way. You kind of have to you have to literally turn off all the tabs, even shut your phone off at times. It's like, yeah, I

[01:08:17] ten years from now, people think this is the best thing since sliced bread. You have to be like, I thought it was cool back when I was actually on. So yeah, it is kind of one of those things where just like everybody be yourself.

[01:08:28] I mean, you can take all of this with a grain of salt, especially. I mean, I you'll find this funny. I saw a stupid online web series that was on Amazon that had a bunch of sci fi actors from like Stargate and Babylon 5.

[01:08:43] And, you know, I had nothing to go on. I had crappy one out of five star reviews by people who couldn't spell, who were probably 10 years old. And then I had five star reviews that were clearly by the filmmakers

[01:08:57] saying so and so who you've never heard of has done a wonderful job. Right. So I bet the bullet I saw it. It had good effects, but it wasn't very funny and entertaining. But you choose where you want the bullets to go off.

[01:09:09] And if you can make them ricochet and not impact you like you say, that's one thing that I've started to do recently is find movies and TV shows that I really, really like and then go and find people who hate it.

[01:09:21] There you go. Amazon, go on IMDB, go on Rotten Tomatoes, go anywhere get that kind of feedback. And I just want to see, you know, why is this something that I like that so many people hate?

[01:09:32] Or why is this something that I'm not really a fan of but people love or I love it and people also love it? What is the connection? You want to actually understand that. The script and sees you want to make sense of it all.

[01:09:44] I find that taste dive is a pretty good one. It'll show you movies and shows that are similar to this film based on keywords and plot elements. And I generally find better options there as opposed to just scrolling through Netflix, waiting to find something to binge.

[01:10:00] Netflix, Netflix is a fascinating place because people watch Netflix the way they used to watch ABC, NBC and CBS. They are on Netflix. I'll just watch it just like, you know, back in the early fifties when there was no remote control. It's too much.

[01:10:19] It's too tough for me to go and walk to the TV and turn the to a different TV. You guys are keeping on ABC all the time. So just turn on and I'm watching ABC. And that's how people watch Netflix is they just whatever

[01:10:35] comes on Netflix, they watch it. Regardless of what it is. It doesn't matter if it's an action movie, a drama, a documentary, a comedy, they just watch it. I always thought that was very fascinating. In many ways. Yeah, like we've added all this technology and we're doing

[01:10:54] everything differently when it comes to how we're consuming it. But we're still doing everything the exact same way. Yeah, we're more things change. The more things stay the same. It's like we're in denial and at the same time.

[01:11:06] Yeah, I mean, pretty soon people are going to be like, I'm too lazy to get up. I'm like, oh, haven't heard that in 20 years. But yeah, I feel like hate Netflix middle name is hate watch. Yeah, like people are just getting up to bitch

[01:11:20] and post a sarcastic review on Letterbox and I don't get that. I'm like, that is too much trouble for even me. I'm just like, I can't do the hate watching thing. Yeah, I just can't I can't get into it.

[01:11:32] I'm like, there's so many things that I like or so many things that I haven't seen that I'm really, really interested in seeing that I can't go on social media, find something that everyone hates and then join in the fun. Like I just can't do that.

[01:11:44] There you go. Yeah. Even with watching Elvira or Joe Bob or Mr. Science Theater late at night, I'm the same kind of way now. I'm like, oh, it really better be funny before I sit through you know, something that's a deep hurting.

[01:11:57] You know, it's like, it's just I want to go to bed really feeling just amused as opposed to I'm laughing, but I'm suffering also. I yeah, the fun of that. It's kind of I never I never understood.

[01:12:10] And I don't I don't really understand the whole toxic fandom thing. I'll tell you a second, but like I never got into hate watching. I never understood toxic fandom. Like I I think everyone even regard regardless of your opinion,

[01:12:26] whether you're way out there and you're really extreme or you're you know on the home team and you're you know, cheering on everything they do and they can do no wrong regardless of what side of the fence you're on. I just never understood why people had a problem.

[01:12:40] Like I have no problem with anyone saying this is the greatest show ever or this is the worst show ever. Like I never understood people have have such a problem. Like if you want to start screaming and yelling about Star Wars, God bless.

[01:12:53] If you want to start screaming and yelling about Marvel movies, you know, God bless you. Like whether your opinion is negative or positive either way. I just never understood why people had a problem with people having their,

[01:13:06] you know, it could be, you know, a Kevin Smith style opinion where he just cheerleads everything. And I really like that guy. But he, you know, there's a lot of people on the Internet who get upset with him because he cheerleads everything.

[01:13:18] Like every Marvel movie is the greatest thing ever. Every DC is the greatest thing ever. Every comic book movie is the greatest thing ever. Every comic book TV show is the greatest thing ever. I think people hate everything.

[01:13:32] And so I think you kind of answered your own question there because it is fun. And I think then we keep running into people who are good, but only in like a small dose, if that makes sense. Sure.

[01:13:46] But then like you say, then you're still someone who just gets all really torn up by something. I'm like, really? You're getting torqued off by that. I mean, why did you? It is. But yeah, it is almost kind of like a sports team. I mean, yeah, I'll sit.

[01:14:01] I've seen it even on a few Facebook groups. People would be very amusing. They'll be like, well, of course you're in this group. So everyone in this group thinks this is the best thing ever. Why would you talk about this or that or this rival of that?

[01:14:16] You know, but yeah, that's true, too. With a sports team that's in cahoots with each other. Why would you bring up the other one that they play? You know, it's just. But then again, there's times where you don't have to pick a team.

[01:14:29] You can say I like both. I'm rooting for either way I win because I'm on both teams. But that seems to also be taboo. It's like I think a lot of it I think gaming has gone so over the top.

[01:14:41] I think it's spread into some of those other fandoms. People who misinterpret stuff, then you get some of these other guys here. It's almost like if you were to come to a carnival, but one person was only coming for one quarter of the things that are there.

[01:14:55] Yeah, everyone like you said earlier, most people are expecting to come to the whole thing expecting to be blown away and love all the options is like, well, if you only eat this thing on that menu,

[01:15:07] I don't think you need to look on navigate through all these other things. Save yourself time. You're here for only one of these free items. Yeah, yeah, I think they're just I can somewhat understand what's going on because we have a really, really tough crowd to deal with.

[01:15:25] There's you know, there's this entire audience of people who are just waiting for and people who are demand. Show me something new. Show me something I haven't seen before. I'll wait. Impress me. Go ahead. Impress me. Impress me. And dance.

[01:15:42] Yeah. And and and for whatever reason, it's just we've fallen into people just, you know, not being able to be impressed, you know, losing the ability to just enjoy the show and bingo. Well, whether it's good or bad, I mean, whether it's good or bad,

[01:16:05] you know, just taking it for what it is. Like if it's a great show, then enjoy it. It's a great show. But if it's a horrible movie or a horrible TV show, just leave it in the past. There's a lot of people who can't do that.

[01:16:16] Absolutely. I blame them. I mean, it's their time. It is their time. And so that's, you know, some of these some of these mini series they got on Netflix or Hulu or whatever, it's 10 hours.

[01:16:26] If you dedicate 10 hours of your life and it doesn't go the way you want it. I can't blame you for being mad. Yeah, I think they just got to get better at letting out their anger. You know, like I let it fizzle for two hours.

[01:16:39] And then when I am ready to just kind of give a pros and cons, I let it loose. But then there are other times where it's like, you know what? The raw reaction might be amusing. But I don't know. Maybe it might be even too much trouble

[01:16:51] because I've thought too much about something I did not enjoy. Yeah, it's not worthy of my time after all those hours. So I don't know. It really, I think just comes down to the voice. Like you say, I think Kevin Smith can definitely would

[01:17:04] if he weren't a filmmaker, he would definitely be a movie critic with amusing reviews. Really, I really like him. I think his movies are hilarious. A lot. There's a lot of people out there that that, you know, don't like him or yeah, I don't like those movies.

[01:17:19] Those things aren't those things. But I was actually a fan of him before I was a fan of his movies. So then I was like, you know, this guy's got a really loyal fan base. I should probably check out some of his movies.

[01:17:31] And I just couldn't stop laughing at a lot of these movies that he made like Zach and Mary as opposed to what a hilarious movie that is. Yeah. I I should have seen that. And I liked it so much, I should have seen that in the theater.

[01:17:45] I for some reason, I regret not seeing that in the theater. Like I should have I should have seen that in the theater. I'm sure there's a lot of those movies I have out there, but that's one of them where I'm like, this is hilarious.

[01:17:57] Like I would have paid glanly paid money to see this at a theater. Oh, it would have been a hoot. And never did. But a hilarious movie. And then now I get it.

[01:18:08] Like I knew he had a loyal fan base and I was like, I want to I want to understand this. And then I saw those movies and I'm like, all right, I get it. This guy. I yeah, I mean, if he makes five more dozen next few years,

[01:18:21] I will still have respect for him as the indie comedy guy. I mean, I feel like so many people, like you say, they don't like to remember the good times. They like to just do the whole year only as good as your last movie.

[01:18:31] I'm like, well, no, no, no, no. If this guy has 20 movies on their resume, you can't just blow them off because of one dud. It doesn't work that way. It's and sometimes not enough. What happens if that dud leads to three good movies? Bingo.

[01:18:45] What if he learns a valuable lesson in that failure that will lead to success down the road? Because there's been a lot of guys who had just horrible, horrible streaks of bad movie flop, flop, flop. No money, no money, no money.

[01:19:02] And then all of a sudden off and running. I can intend good behind a palm of movies. But I guarantee you he's got more junk on his resume that even he'll mess up to. He still considered a good filmmaker. So the numbers game really doesn't exist.

[01:19:16] I see people doing it with even the even odd numbers of like a franchise once in a while and like, come on, you're cheating yourself. Like you say, enjoy what you enjoy, but also realize that a reign of error can still be corrected.

[01:19:32] I appreciate some of these shows that have decided, hey, that filmmaker didn't know how to describe this controversial subplot. How about we explain it now that we got five hours of this season to make sense of it all and right the wrong instead of further

[01:19:49] dividing the fan base by not acknowledging this era or just pretending it didn't exist, even though there's someone out there who actually likes it. And yeah, I get it. Yeah, this has been a delight. Do you have anything coming up?

[01:20:03] I know you're still blogging on YouTube, doing MMA productions. Do you have anything else you'd like to promote? Well, I'll just promote my YouTube channel. You can find me on YouTube. Just type in my name, Mike Raddish, M-I-K-E-R-A-D-I-C-H on YouTube. And you'll find all my stuff.

[01:20:23] It's MMA stuff. Mostly. I really knew how to. That's what I'm really focused on. These guys brains, it was really so much fun. This in many ways, I even got introduced to some of these guys. I hadn't even heard of them.

[01:20:34] I don't know how they promote MMAs nowadays. It seems to be often at sports bars if it's not on pay per view. What do you recommend to anyone who's trying to do a cool celebrity interview?

[01:20:46] You have a cool kind of formula down where you kind of just let them loosely open up and then you go in for the kill. I really don't have much advice. I just I'm just myself. Just be yourself. I guess that's my advice. There you go.

[01:21:00] I can't really explain it because I just I just think about it. I just do it. So I guess my advice would be just be yourself. I know that's like cliche and not very interesting. And some people won't think that that's a good answer, but that's the answer.

[01:21:15] Just how cool that you've gone from phones and now you can do it online now. Yeah, yeah, just just be yourself. But that's basically what I'm doing right now is the MMA commentary side of things.

[01:21:26] I kind of moved away from the interviews, but I'll be back to those, of course. But right now it's mostly just commentary about MMA. Perfect. Dynamite's out here. Love how we were dissecting some other elements of entertainment, man. You're always welcome back. Yeah, yeah, so much fun.

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