Rocky & Bullwinkle Cartoon Saga Retrospect (with Gil, James, Mike & Tom!)

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[00:00:32] Yes! Incredibly, there are eight volumes in all. Oh boy, have you forgotten the plot again? In a word, you said it. That's three words. I'm a heavy tipper. More of Rocky and Bullwinkle's hilarious gang of outrageous comic characters. More of that misguided Dudley Do-Right of the Mounties. More of that dastardly duo Boris and Natasha. And still more of those slightly askew, fractured fairy tales. Yes, for those who grew up watching them, for those who never outgrew them, Yes, yes!

[00:01:00] And for those who are growing to love them, what more could you possibly ask for than Mona Moose, Birth of Bullwinkle, Vincent Van Moose, Blue Moose, Le Grand Moose, Canadian Gothic, Whistler's Moose, and Norman Moosewell. The Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle. Once you collect one, you'll just have to collect them all.

[00:01:23] The rabbit out of my ass!

[00:02:14] Oh, okay, so we got... Hello, Bulls and Girls. There's time for another adventure with me, Mr. Improbable. I was gonna ask you this card. Careful, Winkle! You must get mucins good. I know, Natasha. So I think we're gonna keep this R-rated. Or should we keep this R-rated? No, no, no, no. We can't go R-rated on Rocky and Bullwinkle. Okay, I'm asking because I know you like to... But then again, you can't spell Rocky without R. I forgot to turn the audio down, Tori. It's all night.

[00:02:44] Oh, that's a lie! I guess! To this day, I still can't believe that... Like, if you're a kid, like, and you grew up in the 70s, right? And in the 80s, and you were like... Get up early, early in the morning, right? Like I did. Like I used to for Saturday morning cartoons. And you could watch Rocky and Bullwinkle before the mainstream Saturday morning cartoons came on, you know? Absolutely. That's what was so cool, you know? And I remember... This was a lot of fun researching.

[00:03:12] Like, I had not a single clue about the copyright issues. You know, I had plenty of Buena Vista distributed VHS tapes, both in my house as well as at friends and relatives, much like Pee-wee's Playhouse. It was a mixture of we would take a rental tape as well as have a few that were lying around and then also record a few. And I definitely, the last I saw of it, was definitely on Cartoon Network in 2002. And it apparently popped up on Boomerang. It is now currently on MeTV,

[00:03:42] which is the same New York station that broadcasts Spingoolie nationwide on various syndicate stations. Yeah. They just started their MeCartoon channel. Right. And so they play a lot of classes. This is what's great. They're bringing back Super Friends. Meanwhile, back at MeCartoon. Yeah. It is ranked the sixth greatest TV cartoon of all time by TV Guide. Oh, God. I'll certainly have a lot of mileage.

[00:04:11] I wonder who the top five are. I didn't check. If Rick and Morty is up there, then I'm going to be very disappointed. Yeah. If it's like Adventure Time or one of those other cartoons, which is known for having a lot of gobbledygook, no bueno. So there better be some Looney Tunes that are Hanna-Barbera stuff on there. Maybe even South Park, but not something that's just mindless and you're like, okay, that's divisive. That's not necessarily good. Yeah. Cool McCool.

[00:04:41] Oh, God. Yeah. Oh, nice. Oh, I think that was created by Bob Kane, if I'm not mistaken. Yep. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. It also was also what was the other one? Minute Mouse and Courageous Cat. Okay. Yes. Yeah. Oh, he created that one too? Yep. He was in with that. Yeah. Yeah. Without Bill Finkers, huh? Yeah. Oh, my goodness. You'll love this, Mike. I, you know, I was looking at who it was inspired by,

[00:05:10] and it seems like many articles state. It's definitely its influence is in other cartoons, but for whatever reason, due to there being kind of a prolonged period where it was being syndicated sometime in between the 70s and 90s, and then in the 2000s and 2010s, it seems like, uh, apparently Matt Groening did confirm, you know, that's why he gives every Simpsons character a J, you know, initial. Okay. Yeah. It's a reference to. Yeah.

[00:05:38] Well, it's also, though. Rocket J Squirrel. Rocket J Squirrel. Rocket J Squirrel. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Homer J Simpson. The J stands for genius. Genius. I thought it's good for J. Yeah. I think he said it stands for J. Which is still genius. And my, my mother has not, you know, never been a big cartoon person,

[00:06:07] but you know, I think the most reference thing from this show is anytime there's, I kid you not some European diplomat on like C-SPAN or that you see in like a comedy or just an inept Russian bad guy in a cheesy action movie almost all the time. I see a critic or just an audience member just make Boris and Natasha impressions. Oh yeah. Without fail. Like someone will go, Oh, we get the most. Oh, we get squirrel.

[00:06:35] And I do wonder, he's like, you do know what that's from. Right. In fact, my father randomly just out of the bloom. Like he was, he has, you know, ESPN on all day. So he sees his chair share of just hysterical Geico commercials and other stuff. And he's whatever reason he was looking at an ad that was very similar, like to the animation style. He's like, you did see rocket and bullwinkle growing up. I was a good dad. Right. I'm like, Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. We totally saw it. For whatever reason, he just reached out. He's like, I did. I educated you on that cartoon. Surely. Right.

[00:07:05] Okay, good. Don't call me. My dad would wake me up at six o'clock in the morning. If it was like, if it was winter break, he'd wake me up at six o'clock in the morning and be like, Jay, Jay, get up, get up. Because he would get up early. Right. And he'd be like, come on, come on. Come on. I got to show you a TV show. So like he would, we'd go in and we'd watch, we'd watch Rocky and bullwinkle. And then we watched King Leonardo's short subjects, which was basically done by total television.

[00:07:32] But it wasn't, I don't think it was Jay Ward who had a hand in that. I think that was somebody else. Yeah. I think that might've been part of the whole classic media acquisition, but this was what would blew my mind. I had not a single clue that this is currently owned by DreamWorks. And for whatever reason, because I saw the Paramount logo in front of galaxy quest and some of the other former DreamWorks movies, I assumed they had acquired it. It's like, no universal acquired.

[00:08:00] Oh, I totally spaced on that whole Comcast debacle. But I went to the Jay Ward Emporium in Los Angeles. Whoa. So for those who don't know, yes, he is his production company and like Tom and Jerry. I don't know what happened. I was the king of looking up like directors, movie producers, studio and revenue and box office. Kind of like Tom and Jerry. I didn't, I knew it what, you know, that had some Hanna-Barbera guys and everything,

[00:08:30] but like I didn't. And Chuck Jones, this was acknowledged as his kind of style also in this form. And, but for whatever reason, I never, I never ventured and looked at the trivia of who was the creator and studio behind it. I don't know if it's just, I didn't spend enough time with it growing up, but like I loved it because as critics have said, it is basically a satirical radio program, but

[00:08:56] it happens to be drawn out and kind of like Hanna-Barbera was outsourcing to Japan and or South Korea and Rankin-Bastid Japan and a few other affiliates. Hanna-Barbera actually get when they gave the, when they stopped doing the shows, they gave, they stopped doing, they gave it to Gene Deitch who was basically out in Czechoslovakia. So if you watch those Gene Deitch ones that he did, they're very minimalist and they're very, they're very, like, they're very surreal.

[00:09:25] The Gene Deitch ones are very surreal. Kind of like a European art house kind of film. Yeah. Yeah. You get that, you get that European. Okay. We're not put, we're putting this here, but we're putting that there and that's going to make a noise here and that's going to, you know, but it's going to just, and that's the thing with Gene Deitch's stuff. He was, he was into, he was more of a conceptual guy. Like let's say, um, Tex Avery, you know, Tex Avery would do something, but Jay Ward knew

[00:09:49] how, um, basically their animation was outsourced to Mexico and yeah, I, some people have criticized the animation while still there's always been praise for the cartoon. I always, I think that's why I couldn't take my eyes off it. It had that kind of static yet frantic style. And I think that's why the jokes just hit me in the face so often. It was, I had fun going through a compilation, uh, last week.

[00:10:16] It's just so funny when again, you know, it would take someone with a pea brain to not get what this is about. This is a heroic squirrel who in unusual ways can fly and a dimwitted, but well-meaning moose who takes everything too literally. And it's just so funny. There's one moment where, uh, on a compilation I was watching and I'm like, see that, that, that, that, that's my kind of humor that, that, that's the, that takes the cake.

[00:10:42] Like, I just loved how it was like, uh, Rocky is like saving someone and goes, Bullwinkle, call the sheriff. And he literally goes, Sheriff, but no, call the sheriff. That means go get him. Don't yell his name out. Nothing's going to happen. Um, now I was an idiot. I much like Jerry on Tom because Rocky sometimes had eyelashes and was voiced by a female performer. I thought she was a female.

[00:11:11] It's a, it's a, it's a dude, but I was a kid. So I didn't. The woman who voiced him was. The lovely June 4th. June 4th. Is this your intro to her or was it the other Warner Brothers cartoons? Well, it was, it was this and watching her do, um, all those voices like Granny and the witch on the Warner Brothers cartoons, you know, and there's a, there's a video of her

[00:11:36] doing all the voices she did and she would do a nice, sweet little girl, you know, like Cindy Lou who, and then she played like a, like a battle axe wife who was like, you know, ready to beat the shit out of Yosemite Sam. You better go play with Junior. Oh, go play with Junior. And like Junior's like this 300 pound kid going, Daddy made a funny thing. Daddy, Daddy. Can you believe this is the late fifties? Yeah. I'm just like, Whoa, you know, I thought it was a little later in the sixties, but no,

[00:12:04] it was starting in the late fifties and went on to the sixties. It was 64. It ended. Yeah. Five seasons. It, it kills me that you got Boris and Natasha in the height of the cold war in real life, you know, and take a step further. Don't forget about fearless leader. Yeah. Fearless leader. Sure. And, and don't forget the other guy, the other one who's not in every episode, but is basically there. He's like the in-between to fearless leader.

[00:12:33] Um, and Mr. Big wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. And I found out apparently they much like a Warner, Mr. Big. And I just scuffod. I found out his inspiration was apparently they played him like a Peter Laurie type. I'm like, see that, that makes sense that I, cause you do get a lot of those. Classic like horror, creepy genre, mystery genre guys. You know, it's almost always, it's like, then you get that kind of caricature.

[00:13:02] I read, I read somewhere where they were talking about how the show kind of played off like a radio program. Yeah. And I'm like, and I'm looking at some of the cast in here that did the voices, you know, June for Ray, Daz Butler, they were on a, uh, uh, Stan Freeberg. Yes, exactly. I couldn't believe that co-creator Scott was Winkle. I, I had no idea that the co-creator, but that makes sense. I mean, he's writing some of the stuff, so I guess only he can say it the way it's meant to be seen.

[00:13:32] But like, yeah, Paul freeze again, you know, he, the, the voice of animation TV, I call him, but he, he was, he did get the man of a thousand voices that no blank often got. But I, I, I had fun also looking up Alex Anderson, who was the third co-creator. He was not directly involved with the show, but he did come up with like some of the initial concepts and, you know, Ward was not like many creators where he didn't just, oh, I forgot.

[00:14:02] He's like, no, you're getting your credit here. You helped. Yeah. He was, he was more hands-on than anything else because I think with him, he loved this project from day one, you know? And yeah, that's the thing was, was that, you know, this was his baby. He didn't want anybody else fooling around with it. And Fred Schiner, very early orchestration for him before he scores for other stuff like Perry Mason and Star Trek. And the, the, the thing I always loved was the beginning of the music, but whenever they

[00:14:32] would do the music of like, you know, Sherman and Peabody or, you know, Fractured Fairy Tales or something. That's kind of why I warmed up to it. Much like Pee Wee's, it was a variety show. And I loved how, when they put it on tape, I never had any of the good times home videotapes. And apparently those were not approved by Jayward productions. They were, they only, they, they took them basically because it was in that gray area before they had to legally retitle the show for current syndication.

[00:15:01] But, and I couldn't believe it, but yeah, I had seen some old RCA tapes on occasion at like used video stores, but I had fun kind of just looking up how in between the classic media acquisition and Filmtel International distributing it, just how it was bouncing on both ABC and NBC, the latter for the most part. And like you say, like it is a radio program.

[00:15:30] And I think kind of like some of these other variety shows, it was fun that it wasn't just those characters. Like they would come up with other syndication packages where it was just those segments, but then they would come up with other ones where it's like, it's the whole thing. You get Peabody, you get Tarzan. And that definitely introduced me to Dolly Do-Right. He was kind of like Mr. Ranger on, you know, Yogi Bear for me. Yeah. And I mean, it's also just hysterical to me.

[00:16:00] Like, like whenever I see like a military person who's had a scandal in real life or even just in a movie, who's like inept, it's not uncommon to just call them. Oh, they're a yes, sir. They're a Dolly Do-Right. You know, they're just to illustrate. Yeah. They're inept at the job. And the Russian guys, like they don't, they're much like the World War II propaganda and the cartoons. They're there. Yeah.

[00:16:29] They're in your face. But I think like Hogan's heroes, even the most cynical European country can take it. They can laugh at it. It's not going to be bothersome. I think the thing with, with Boris and Natasha was, was that they were supposed to be like, you know, you're a typical spy. She's the femme fatale. He's the, you know, he's the, the guy who's going to, you know, gets the idea to do something to Rocky and Bullwinkle. And then it just feels horribly, you know, and that's what it is with them.

[00:16:57] It's like, it's, it's this thing of, it's a, with, with, with Boris and Natasha, it's a comedy of failure. That's the way they're always trying to do something to get the moose and the squirrel, but then they like, then they just fail at it. You know, like something goes off, something goes wrong. You know, they set the charger too short, you know, it's just something so stupid. But you have to laugh. They're basically Wally Coyote, but he's divided up into a dual. They're Wally Coyote with Russian accents, you know. And he's not a genius.

[00:17:26] And, and the one thing a lot of people don't realize is that. That makes sense. Pokemon totally stole that. You know, yeah. That just hit me. Jesse, James, and me too. You mean me out. Oh my God. It's bad. But it was that kind of trashy thing back then. Rocky and Bullwinkle are kind of James Bond before a surreal James. Yes. Well, and that's what I was looking at.

[00:17:56] You know, the international things going on. And that's what I was looking up to. I think, I think, I think, I think, I think in Hogan's Heroes, he probably is a ripoff of Fearless Leader. Yeah. No, I'm not. Oh, it's the other way around. No, no, no, wait, wait, hang on. No, no, it wasn't. It wasn't. But the thing was, the story about they were going to make. There was a place where Bullwinkle Hill from called Moosylvania, right?

[00:18:25] So, so Jay Ward and a bunch of the, it became like a, like a little joke of a grassroots movement. So they go to the White House in 1961 to, to make Moosylvania a state. Oh my God. What happens is they pull up right to the White House and they're told by the, by the security, you better come here for a minute. We need to show you something. Now I heard there's two versions of this.

[00:18:54] They were waved off by the guards at gunpoint or Jay Ward was taken in and said, we have a situation right now with Cuba and Russia and the United States. And they realized it was the Cuban missile crisis was happening. Oh yeah. So, you know, that's, that's, they did experiment.

[00:19:13] I did read that you can still see some of the original Bullwinkle intros, which were like done with a puppet and people, he would make jokes that kids took too seriously, like mess with the TV set, you know, buttons and people, enough parents wrote in complaints saying, stop doing that. Or kids aren't smart enough to stop taking it for real.

[00:19:40] Well, I think the one thing that gets me is, you know, they would always, with, with their humor. It was, it was satire. It was self and self, you know, deprecating. It had more than just let's make fun of Russia. No, it was, it was like, you know, it was like, it was like, you know, it was like, you know, it was like, you know, you know, I had to see the page in the next, next part of the script, you know, it's just, it's just, you know, they would just do this.

[00:20:07] It's like, you feel like there's a bit of loose inspiration for that when like National Lampoon debuts on the radio. Yeah. But it's like, and that's, that's who they get that humor from is like Rocky and Bullwinkle is like, you gotta think. The guy who takes it too seriously and the other unusual hero. Yeah. It's like, they, it's like, you don't expect Rocky and Bullwinkle to be heroes, but they are heroes. Yes. But they're the most unlikely.

[00:20:37] They're not, they're not heroic heroes. They're just, they're just guys who get caught up in a situation, you know? Right. I noticed too, that the intro to Rocky, a thunder of jets and an open sky, a streak of great. It's an absolute Superman. Yeah. I was going to say the pairing, the Superman thing. Yeah. Or the Lone Ranger, which William. Lone Ranger. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:21:02] A cloud of dust, a cloud of dust and a hearty high-o silver. Here comes the Lone Ranger, you know? I mean, I even thought. How's that he flies? Yeah. This was fun because it made me want to research more like what inspired like other cartoons. And I'm not here to be a jerk and go, Oh, you know, ripped off of this and that. I'm like, no, everybody borrows from something or is inspired by something. And for this other thing to exist.

[00:21:27] I mean, I'm not sure if you're a fan of the Lone Ranger, but I did, I looked at some of the later Disney cartoons and I feel like a lot of those were more rescuers down under or Indiana Jones inspired rather than, you know, dim-witted hero and unusual hero team together and going on an adventure together. Well, if you watch, if you watch Emperor's New Groove, right? And then you watch. There's probably a bit of that in there. Yeah. There's, there's a lot, there's a lot of self deprecating humor in that because of the fact that you've got, you know, like if you watch the Emperor's New Groove.

[00:21:58] Maybe in Shrek a bit, maybe. Shrek. Yeah. Um, Emperor's New Groove when I've watched it, you know, with Gronk. Or Warburton. And she says, pull the lever, Gronk. Not that lever. And she falls down through the ground. That's Rocky and Bullwinkle right there. That's Boris and Natasha. Yeah. That's a good point. The, uh, the, the villainous. Who's like a Lady Macbeth gal who just goes around and gives ideas.

[00:22:24] And the, the other nitwit guy who she's romantically attached to, who just can't do anything to save his life. It makes you wonder how he got to be a henchman or a man. Yeah. I made these for you. What are they? They're cheesy party puff platters. I love baking them. It's like, you're just like, oh, okay. He's not that bad. Yeah. He's making up for it, but he's barely getting by. He's barely earning his keep.

[00:22:49] That's the, that's the only thing I love when they used to, when family guy did a, a tribute to it. Because there's one where Stewie becomes like super muscular. Yes. Oh my God. And then he loses his musculature. He loses his musculature. And then he flies out the window. He's got like, you know, like, you know how, when you lose, when people lose muscle, their skin becomes loose. So then all of a sudden he becomes, so then all of a sudden he becomes Rocket J Squirrel. They do, and Seth McFarlane did the whole thing from Rocket J. Going towards the, the screen and everything. Yeah.

[00:23:19] And now boys, and he does something, you know, and he did that. And then there was a one where they went back. And he was in a sunbath. And it was a time machine. All of a sudden, Rocky, Rocky, Rocket J Squirrel pops out and it's June 4, he's doing the voice. Oh, whoa. He's got, he, I remember him saying, he's like, he's like, I think there was a track they did for that episode. He's like, yeah, we just wanted to get June 4 in on it because we loved Bullwinkle. We all love Bullwinkle, you know? Oh, that's great, man. And that's what I love about Family Guy.

[00:23:48] Family Guy would do like little, you know, jabs at itself and stuff like that, you know? And then they do a crazy homage and you'd have to rewatch it. You're like, what did they just do? Yeah. Did I just, did I blink and miss something with it? Whoa. That's awesome. There's wordplay in it too. There's wordplay in Rocky and Bullwinkle there. It absolutely is. Yeah. It's going to fly over a five year old's head. Yeah.

[00:24:13] Maybe, okay, so maybe there's a bit of that with Buzz Lightyear and Woody, the cowboy, maybe, in Toy Story. I don't, I wouldn't say that. I'd say, uh. Maybe more Daffy and Bugs Bunny. No. Daffy and Bugs Bunny was more like, like Daffy and Bugs Bunny. Contagonistic. Yeah. Daffy and Bugs Bunny was more like, you know, first Daffy was supposed to be like, Bugs Bunny's equal. Mm-hmm. But then they kind of made him like when, you know, Chuck Jones got ahold of him.

[00:24:43] It was like, no, let's make him like a pissed off. They hate each other. He doesn't, he doesn't hate Bugs. He's just kind of like just always in Bugs's shadow, you know. It's kind of like celebrities. Yeah. Yeah. He's second banana and he knows it. Yeah. And I think Nancy Cartwright has mentioned on Simpsons commentaries that she worked with June Ferret when she was a huge influence on her. Yeah. I would hope. I mean. Yeah.

[00:25:11] That woman could sing. Yeah. And I, you guys made a reference to Hogan's heroes, like some of the characters. I mean, I get a bit of that and even Rambo movies, just something that's so over the top where the villain is just chewing scenery, like in a James Bond movie. Leon Askin was the voice in, in the show. Oh, he was? Apparently. Whoa. Part of the voice cast. Are you kidding me? There's a lot of uncredited voice.

[00:25:40] And Otis is also from, from Andy Griffith's Hal Smith. Yeah. Okay. William Conrad was the narrator. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. I love, I love when you do. Meanwhile, on Frostbite Falls, you know. Mm-hmm. Right. So atypical from the, like you said, the serious on screen. And here's, here's what I find funny too, is like Edward Everett Horton. He's a narrator during some of that stuff. I can swear it was Hans Conrad. And he does do a voice. Hans Conrad did do some of that.

[00:26:09] He did do some of the narration voice? Hans Conrad, no. Hans Conrad wasn't Dudley Dure. He played Snidely Whiplash. Okay. Yeah. That's right. But he wasn't the narrator guy. But every time I hear that narrative guy, Hans Conrad is the guy I think of. Even though I know it's not him. I'm trying, I'm trying to think. That's a good point though, Gil. I mean, just you get a lot of these other guys who are just like, man, I know that voice. And it's not, you know, the first 10 voice actors that we all know. You know, it's. Yeah.

[00:26:38] And, but you're also looking at not just the ones we've already mentioned, but we're looking at Prattard, Prairie Tales, which we kind of touched on. But we're also looking at Aesop and Son. Yep. That, that to me was for a, for a pun guy. That was, that it was very close to my heart. Same thing with, with Mr. Peabody and Sherman that the puns at the end always made, always brought a smile to my face because no matter how bad they were, I absolutely loved them. It was just priceless.

[00:27:08] Um, I did have fun reading up even more on United Productions of America. You know, again, those were former Disney guys. They're much like this, you know, that a lot of. Their stuff was produced for Sony and then they got acquired by DreamWorks Universal. But I did associate some of the, they produced Mr. Magoo. And I did kind of find that same kind of style for this. Yeah. To be kind of one of the same. So that, that, that, that tracks. I'm just like that same kind of. Uh, just see what I did there and.

[00:27:37] Just. They draw. They have like literally squiggly lines, like. For lack of a better word. Just like. Just with the animation style. And it's just again, like. Even if you're the dumbest idiot on the planet who doesn't. Can't tell a pun from. To save his life. Like. It's just. Like. You. You can't take your eyes off the screen. You're just like. I believe everything you're telling me. Right now. It's like. Uh.

[00:28:04] I never saw the 2019 cartoon on Prime. I did see it well reviewed by NPR. And. Checked out the first episode. It was not. Fun to watch. Not fun. Okay. Well, I. I saw that Tara Strong was the voice of Rocky. And this other unknown was Bullwinkle. I. It kind of came and went. It was like a two season thing. 2018, 2019 for Amazon. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes like. Capturing lightning in a bottle. Yeah. All right. Yeah. And that's half the.

[00:28:33] That's half the battle right there though. I mean the original. The original Bullwinkle. Um. You know. It. It. It was for the children. But you know. It catered to the adults. I think the one that was from 2017. Or 2018. Or whatever. Um. It. It. It catered more towards the children. Yeah. And. And. It might get them to watch the original. Yeah. Well, anyway. That's a good point. The. The whole thing for me. Was that. We've already touched on it.

[00:29:03] But. It. It. It bears repeating. Rocky Bullwinkle was. Perfect for everybody. Yeah. Love the slapstick. They love the. The funny situations. The. Different things like the. Like up to Daisy. Am I. And the Ruby out of over Kayam. Right. But. Yeah. But. And they don't Scott. The. The other level with it. Because. The Ruby out of over Kayam. For a kid. Is that boat. But for.

[00:29:32] For adults. Have a little bit of education. Oh, that's something else. That's something else completely. So that. Something else completely. Is definitely what I would say. Yeah. Yeah. It's one of those things that. It was rare. Even today. That we have. Shows that appeal. To. People on different levels. Yeah. Even if you're just watching for. For Mr. Peabody and Sherman. You still. You still got a little bit of that. You still got a little bit of. And almost.

[00:30:02] A sort of a weird. History lesson. Or you got. A fracture period. Which. Which told. Stories. And it. And the musical interludes. Do do do do do do. It was almost like. But. Literal elevator music. And you go for this bizarre journey. And. I was glad that they echoed that. When they. Buena Vista put it on. The tapes. They would often have like. A stitch up of like a classic. Gothic portrait painting. That had the characters. You know. Interjected onto it. It was like.

[00:30:32] My fear is seeing. Bullwinkle. Done up like the Mona Lisa. Yeah. That was always wacky to me. I'm like. See. But that's the kind of cartoon it is. It's not just. Follow this. Get dumb guy around. It's like. There's. There's all kinds of other. Just outrageous. Like scenarios. And. Yeah. And. And even the scenarios themselves. Like. When. Rocky and Bullwinkle. Went to college. Yeah. That. You can. You can tell. Even though it's dated. You can kind of tell. Oh yeah. This.

[00:31:02] This makes sense. This tracks with what. College is. And. Just. And. But like. We also said. The. The word play. There was one where. The word. And Boris is always holding a. A bomb. And you're like. You're going to throw that. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Well. Like. Like. We've been college episode. They talked about. Rocky and Bullwinkle talked about the hero. What heroes do. And. Because. And they went. And they went. And they went. And they went.

[00:31:31] And they went. And they went. To that dress. It doesn't matter. I'm distraught. So. We have women in distraught. That. Always. That just. Killed me. The first time I saw it. This is like. I'm sorry for asking. But. And because he cares too much. He's going to keep. Just repeating himself. And you're like. Dude. Give it up. He's not his way back machine.

[00:32:00] Predicted the time tunnel too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They did. They did a heck of a lot more. They did a heck of a lot more. When they went back in time. And then the guys in the time tunnel. They. They never changed anything. You know. They didn't react. And you know. It's just fun. It's just more. So. They were also. Prejenders of Voyagers. Yeah. I did show Voyagers. Yes. There was time travel before that. But still. It's. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't just.

[00:32:31] Let's do another take on. You know. Uh. It's she wills. It's now it's like. Uh. It's. It's. It's the before pulp novels. But like we were saying before. It's making fun of cereals. And. Like the adventure is just like. Just so goofy. Half the time. Like. Rocky and Bullwinkle don't even need to be there. They're just like spectators. Yeah. Being very animated towards the camera. And you're just like. Yeah. For the rip show. Ha ha ha ha. Like that. Goodbye Mr. Chips.

[00:33:00] Oh my God. Oh I like the. The cliffhanger endings too. I wonder if that influenced the Batman TV show. Would always have a. Mmm. I think so. Yeah. It. I don't. I don't. Discount it. And going back. Yeah. For a moment. Those early silent movies. Because you always had. Because it played into those tropes. A woman getting tied up by the villain. And being put on the railroad tracks. Right. And that's always what. That's almost always.

[00:33:29] It gotta go to the trouble. Of getting on a train. And running you over. It's always something like that. And you're just like man. And. I liked how they weren't really relying on even just a vehicle or anything. It was always like. Just. Spur of the moment. Kind of just mayhem. Instead of. You know. What will happen next time. Well. That just happened. You know. Now on to sports. You know. And. Well. The thing. The thing I loved. Was when they did the. When they would like. He would say one.

[00:33:59] He'd say one title. And be like. Until the next week. When it's. It's. It's all over. It's all over now. Or. It would be another. There'd be another title. After that title. Yeah. And it would be. You know. And what. You know. And I saw. I was watching some episodes today. And they did that. And it reminded me of police squad. Yeah. I mean. We made a naked gun reference earlier. So. I'm. I'm sure all the Zucker brothers. Loved all these kinds of shows. I mean.

[00:34:28] They said most. For the most part. They would just take. Awful disaster movies. And just. Take them literally. And just. That's funny. This writes itself. So. I wouldn't be surprised if they. If Ward and company. Weren't always. I mean. I'm sure they had to. Love cereals. But I wouldn't be surprised. If they saw some cheesy ones. Where they're like. I didn't care for that. Commander Cody skit. A segment. Or. That. Free Stooges blurb. I'm going to. Make fun of that. And maybe they saw. That. That's.

[00:34:59] That's our material. We're going to. We're going to write that. We're going to draw that. I love that. Peabody took an entire episode. To get to the punchline. About why Napoleon. Has his hand. Is a smart dog. Yes. And then there's. I feel like. Those guys definitely. Get referenced a lot. In any. Just smart. Maybe in Dexter's lab. Although he's an evil version. You know. Something. That you've seen in. A recent cartoon. Yes. So Tiffany Ward. Ward's daughter.

[00:35:29] Is the head of the studio. As of 2022. And the granddaughter. Amber Ward is the vice president. Currently. So. It's all in the family man. It's all in the family. Um. So. Uh. I'm just going to do a timeline here. It's inevitable. But. I'll validate everybody here. So. Universal. Acquires this. In the late 90s. They're doing. A bunch of lowbrow. Comedies. Half of them are based off. Old sitcoms of theirs. They do major pain.

[00:35:59] Mike hell's navy. Sergeant Boko. Don't don't laugh. I like. I like. McHale's navy. I thought it was really fun. I did too. I did too. Yeah. Yeah. Tim Conway was in that one. It was. No. He was in McHale's navy. He was. No. PT 109. PT 109. Right. No. No. No. McHale's navy was. Was. Was. Uh. Conway. Joe Flynn. And Ernie Borgnine. And. I forgot.

[00:36:28] That was the original show. But. What they did was. They had Tom Arnold. When they did the remake. Yeah. Yeah. David Allen Greer. So. Then they do. Deadly do right. Makes sense. It stars Brendan Fraser. Who just did George of the Jungle. Which was another one of Jay Ward's. Another one of Jay Ward's. Yeah. So. Again. Jane Rosenthal. The Trebekah Film Festival. And her partner. Robert De Niro. Adapt the movie. They decide.

[00:36:57] Let's recreate the live action Flintstones. And the filmmakers. At ILM. Approach it like. Who framed Roger Rabbit. I. Completely missed this. And it was. I would have been to the perfect audience for it. But I just. I missed it. Like it wasn't in theaters that long. This. I figured. Hey. This looks like another space jam type movie. They're coming into the real world. Yeah. Existing characters. It. It flops. It doesn't make any of its money back. Only TV guy.

[00:37:26] And Roger Ebert are kind to it. And. I see parts of it on ABC family. Six years later. Occasionally. It would come on Cartoon Network. There's even occasional. Cursing. Like the narrator shouts out. Oh. Damn. And. I had a lot of fun. Even counting some of the various lines. He puts down. Like whoever they hired to do the narrator. He was on point. At one point. Like when they're getting the. The plane. He says. Oh. Bullwinkle. He didn't have a prayer. Um. So. Yeah. I saw it in the theater. You saw it in the theater. Whoa.

[00:37:56] I was sitting around watching TV one time. And then. They did a clip of De Niro doing. Are you talking to me? Yeah. Oh. Wow. Yeah. So. I. It was all you talk. I'm sorry. Type of Parabo from. Uh. The ugly was. The lead. I think. Yeah. I'm trying to. You're talking about Natasha and Boris. Right? Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So. I did see the John Travolta. Natasha and Boris TV movie. I would argue. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait.

[00:38:36] The one with De Niro. Yeah. That was the one with De Niro. I'm sorry. Okay. Rocky Bullwinkle was De Niro. Right. The person Natasha was Dave Thomas and Sally. Uh. Kellerman. Kellerman. Yeah. And they didn't have. They didn't have. Bullwinkle and Rocky. What they had was two agents. That they nicknamed Agent Moose and Agent Squirrel. Right. Right. And. And they. It didn't. It didn't. It didn't capture. It was just kind of like a. Hit miss thing on Showtime. You know.

[00:39:06] Right. The Niro. Yeah. Right. So yeah. He. He was in the 2001. And I had fun. So this was the first time I saw it like all the way through. I can totally see why people did not like it. But I can also see why there's a cult audience for this. Like he. I feel like he. His whole villain scenario. He kind of approaches it like. The. Jonathan Price and. Tomorrow Never Dies. That James Bond movie. The whole. I'm going to have a network that brainwashes everybody. You know. Um.

[00:39:36] There's a lot to like. There's a lot to not like. I. I personally thought there was a lot of. Fun stuff like. Bullwinkle doing an inept. Legal case. And we'll be. Goldberg as the judge. And she's like. You know what? I like you. I'll let you go. And it had nothing to do with his. You're out of here. You're out of here. All right. Bill Scott and June Forrey. I'm out of order. You're out of order. You're out of order. The whole fucking system is out of order. If it pleased the court. If it pleases the court. And.

[00:40:06] Uh. Randy Quaid is the FBI guy. Well. How that dated. That was funny. Uh. The biggest laugh for me was. They do a cops parody. As you did in anything that had cops in it. In the late 90s. Early 2000s. And John Goodman comes in here. And they're like. You want to arrest me? I'm not this and that. And he's like. And I'm not John Goodman. And so. That's. That's the thing. They had. They put the whole. Billy Crystal. Was in it. For a nothing cameo. But I. Jonathan Winters. His brief moment. Did get a laugh out of me.

[00:40:36] Because he is. What was it? What was it with. Jonathan Winters? He's the guy who like. They stole a plane from. And he is just. Dolting out. Cursing him out. And. I mean. Jesus. Why are you stealing a plane from me? For Christ's sake. Because like. It's not like I did anything with a. With a puppy and ticker toys. I had fun with this. I can see why. It wasn't well liked. But. I think it just came out. At the worst possible time. Like if it had come out in the late 90s. It might have.

[00:41:06] Hit better. Like just come out after Space Jam. It might have been better. Because like in 2000. You know. We're. We're distracted by everything. There's blockbusters. Like almost famous. And gladiators. Sweeping the box office. And then duds. Like battlefield earth. Are being. Punching bags on the internet. And. Well. Getting over 9 to K. And other propaganda. You know. In a bad election. The thing that got me was. Like. You have to realize. 1990. Our generation. The generation. From like 66. 79. We all.

[00:41:36] We all remember that. We all remember. So. But. You know. You got to realize. It comes out as a movie. Okay. Great. It's just computer animation. Which is great. But. You know. The. The feeling of the show. Then Tom. You got to realize. Tom Kenny. Did the voice of. Bullwinkle. For that. No. No. No. No. Bill Scott. Returned. Bill Scott. Had died by then. Okay. Or.

[00:42:05] Done the one credited. In the. No. No. No. No. No. I think. They might have used it as recorded. Because. Let me see here. Hold on. Hang on. I swear. He. He. Yeah. Depending on when he died. I guess he could have still been a part of that. You know. I don't know. Let me see here. Hold on. Because he's credited. That's what's the weird thing. Hold on. They may have used it. They may have. They may have had like recorded tape or something like that. Because. I remember. He passed away by then I think.

[00:42:37] Because. That's what he wants you to think. No. Hold on. I wish I was making this up. But. But in between that. The director of this is interesting. Like he's done a lot of. He's a Canadian guy. He's done a lot of Shakespearean live tapings. With famous actors. I mean. Yeah. Bill Scott died 1985. He died. No. I believe you. I'm just. He's credited. So that's the confusing part. And maybe because they might have used his voice in some recorded parts or something like that. So.

[00:43:06] Maybe they created him as a. Like a posthumous kind of thing. Yeah. Like a posthumous. Yeah. But yeah. No. Don't get me wrong. So. He bought in Sherman came out later. And. My brother. My father and I were cynics. If I did see it. I don't remember. It might have been at four in the morning on FX network one once upon a time. But like the trailer gave so much away. I kind of felt like I had seen the movie, even though it was a chuckle worthy. I. It looked like it was in good hands. Like they had the spirit of that cartoon down.

[00:43:36] And but apparently, yeah, they did a rocking bullwinkle cartoon. And then. Just last minute, they just decided just dimwittedly. Oh, let's just put that as an extra on the Blu Ray. So yeah, it gets good reviews, but it's still again, it flops just the marketing doesn't figure it out. I don't know if it's just there's not enough parents. No, Mr. Peabody. Let me just take a look here. Mr. Peabody and Sherman. Oh, it flops. About that recent cartoon or something that came out. No, no. I'm talking about the cartoon movie.

[00:44:06] Like, yeah, there it gets reviews, but I'm sure it made its money back on video. But like they decided. Actually. Actually, it made all it's it made all its money back. It was. Oh, that's weird. One hundred forty five million. It grossed two hundred seventy five million. Shame on me. I saw someone say it's a flop. I'm like, why are you calling it a flop? It made good reviews. So either way, the the bullwinkle and Rocky cartoon that they play before. I got to hand it off. Like I would never had guessed that that is Tom Kenny's voice.

[00:44:35] I'm like, yeah, he does a dead on serious. I'm like, that's freaking Kenny. Oh, Kenny. He does the voice for what? For SpongeBob or something. Yeah. And Rocco and all those others. And I'm like, that's everything. That's freaking Tom. Yeah. Stripperella is like he I've always admired seeing him. I mean, we talked about on Mr. Show a week ago, but like I love just like any time he is in a movie.

[00:45:02] I admire him because it's just as he said before, like he can be a chameleon and just slip into all these different movies and shows and not have to worry about what he's going to do. What audiences it's for. Like he just has a loyal crowd every time like he. Yeah. Like when he was when he was doing Mr. Show, like we talked about last week, Mr. Show, he would slip into these characters and you'd be like, wait, that's the guy who does SpongeBob Squarepants. You know, I'm like I'm like watching the one, you know, those six. I'm like, that's SpongeBob doing that voice. You know that.

[00:45:32] And just word for word, you're like how I I'm sure he had plenty of frame of reference. That's his generation. But like to do it dead on in that. Well, so. Why do you think it do you think it's the rights issues that might have caused the delay in certain audiences picking up on this or is it not enough people going to the movies? I think it was because basically when you think about it, the rights were going back and forth. Right.

[00:46:02] It had been out of circulation for a while because you have to realize, you know, I think the last time I saw it was like in the early 90s and Nickelodeon was playing it. Nickelodeon. That's right. Yeah. Nickelodeon played it for a while. Like to like 2000. Yeah, I'd say 90, 92, 93, because I was in high school when that happened. That makes sense. So. With with with a lot of us, we were kind of like sitting there going, OK, Rocky and Bullwinkle.

[00:46:25] But you got to realize this came out at the same time as like Mr. Magoo, you know, the Flintstones, you know, it was like it was like, OK, how they was going. OK, let's let's put out Mr. Magoo. Let's put out the Flintstones. Let's let's you know, I remember. I remember there were discussions doing doing a thing of the Jetsons. You know, they were. Yeah, that's true. I already had the cast ready for the Jetsons because it was going to be Jim Carrey as George. Whoa. And Mr. Spacely was going to be Danny DeVito.

[00:46:55] Oh, God. You know what? I might have actually seen that. But again, it might have only worked in the 90s. If you did that now, people would be like Mr. Popper's Penguins where you're like, come on, dude. It doesn't work, you know. But Flintstones, I would always catch part of. And then when I did see it, you know, as a teen, it was one of those. I'm like, OK, so I'm not going to say it didn't have some serious effort and money behind it. There were some funny jokes. There's even one. They had Harvey Foreman voicing the bird.

[00:47:25] And he had a funny joke that was kind of a most people miss. That's like a diss towards like Disney or Pixar. And and like, see, I think it that that one had too many cooks. And it's not just that there were like 30 script writers on it. I think it was just it was really just. And it wasn't just that they had a star who was good in the role, but didn't want to do it. I think it just it just had too many rewrites and.

[00:47:54] And there were gags and then they did the sequel. Oh, boy. The sequel. I liked it. I liked the ending because it had the great kazoo in it. That's it. And Harvey Foreman. Harvey Foreman was the great kazoo, but they had him play another character in it. And Joe Collins took over for Elizabeth Taylor being Mrs. Flag Hoople. Isn't that wild? These two early 60s starlets, you know, in this key role is like that.

[00:48:24] Well, they had Elizabeth Taylor in the Flintstones. Right. That's her final role. Elizabeth Taylor's playing Mrs. Flag Hoople in the Flintstones. I'm thinking to myself, I'm like, you know, I'm just. I'm having a buzz. And let's get Stephen Baldwin because no one else is available. Yeah. And they'll get Rick Moranis to play Barney. Yeah. And then they'll get. What's was Rosie O'Donnell to play? Yeah. And you can play any casting was inspired. Don't get me wrong.

[00:48:50] I just I think there was just something a little off about it and I never could put my finger on it. I never regretted watching it, but I never. I never was surprised when it made like worst movies of all time lists. But. Goodman was great in the role. I got to say it like. Yeah. The movie he did not want to do. Yeah. And. There were some fun puns and everything. And ironically enough, Jonathan Winters is in that as well. And kind of a. He's kind of wasted, but it's still just funny just seeing him in it. And I think. I think it's just. In the B-52s.

[00:49:20] In writing the B-52s and. And don't forget the captain from Law and Orders. He plays the. Oh, yeah. Dan Florex. Yes. Yeah. Dan Florex. And he plays the. Freaking L.A. Law. Yeah. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Slate. Mr. Slate. Mr. Slate. I will name this dude. My dude. My daughter. My baby daughter. Concretia. I remember.

[00:49:48] I remember Kyle McLaughlin, but I can't remember if that was the first or second one. That was the first one. That was the first one. And it was one of the Holly Berry's first roles. And she plays a secretary named Sharon Stone. Cause get it. Yeah. Because reasons. It is. I think that's the other thing too. It started off as a Joel Silver project. Then he loses the. Loses the rights. So then it becomes a Spielberg Ambulin thing. And. I don't know, man. I think. A lot of people do like cartoons. It's just.

[00:50:18] I mean. I don't even know how you market a movie now with today's. Well, I think. Being so picky. I think part of the problem, like the Peabody and Sherman movie that came out. They geared it more towards the kids, which okay. But you should have at least tried to do something that included the people that grew up with it. I agree. And it didn't seem like they really gave that any thought. Yeah. It was kind of more reliant. Like there were some good actors in it, but that's just it.

[00:50:44] Like it was kind of more reliant on them saying the lines versus we did a good job making it for everybody. I mean, because for instance, like there's so many other cartoons like Warner Brothers will just about all of them will do references to recent stuff as well as new older stuff. And every crowd gets it. But it's not just on. Did you see what my homage that I did there was? It's it's a little more than that. It is. There is something for everybody.

[00:51:11] And I don't know if it's just we're not patient anymore or if it just again, like we might was saying earlier lightning in a bottle. It could easily be that you could argue that because like, I think when you take away the nostalgia, it's a bit of a visual thing to like. Yeah, animation at the time, the people that were doing the voices at the time. We'll return after these messages.

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[00:52:34] You really do because there's so many ways where that can backfire and you're like, you know, like I remember when the new Super Mario Brothers movie came out. And a lot of people, you know, were like, I don't really care for that guy or I don't see him playing that character very well. I kind of signed up instantly the minute I saw Jack Black was Bowser. Personally, I didn't see any trailer. I went in blind and had fun with it. But, you know, most people are going to watch the trailer and I get it.

[00:53:02] And trailers just suck nowadays. They're they're not in studio anymore. They're always hired by people who just skim through the movie and find the first scene that just is eye popping. And it's just like, well, but that's not the movie. And what if that's a deleted scene? Well, now you just lied to your audience. It's not if you look at if you look at like if you look at Vudu and they show you they don't really show you a lot of trailers anymore. It's all clips and you look at the movies. It doesn't tell you anything about the movie.

[00:53:30] Yeah, Netflix has some okay clips, but then there are some other ones where you're like. Yeah, it's like you're scrolling over the a weaker moment of the movie. It's it's tough to describe to people unless you're you are a visual guy and you are a film buff guy. Like it's like if you were to try and introduce a show to someone, but you show a lesser season, you know, it's like, well, that's not them at their finest. Yeah, don't you don't show you don't like the third. I'm sorry.

[00:53:59] I was just gonna say it's like showing an action movie, you know, showing a clip for an action movie, but it's just two guys at a table talk. Yeah, the Tarantino moment. Hey, Madonna's dick. I think I think the one thing that gets me the most, too, is like. With the movies that were coming out, you know, based on it was the feeling for nostalgia. And that's what really got me the most, you know, like, but like, you know, it's like, you know, we we were, you know, my I was becoming, you know, a young man at that time.

[00:54:31] I was becoming I was just about to turn 25. And I remember just thinking, I said, God, you know, I miss Rocky and Bullwinkle. I miss the I miss the Jetsons, you know, I miss Super Friends. I miss a whole bunch of them. And and also it was like also like these, you know, these movies were coming out was like, we'll put the Flintstones out. We'll do Mr. Magoo. We'll do, you know, you know, we don't expect Oscar quality, you know, is this just make an entertaining popcorn film. If it's bad, then better luck next time. You know, it can't be any worse than Super Mario Brothers from the 90s.

[00:55:00] You know, that movie should not have been done. And I have friends who like it. And I kind of wish they'd give like Seth McFarlane access to it or something. You know, why not? You know, and I'm sure if he wants to do kind of what they did with Mike Tyson mysteries, where it's in PG 13 Scooby Doo, you know, I'd be fine with that if they did that on Adult Swim. I don't know, man.

[00:55:26] I just do something that's not too over the top and do something that's like something we could like us now that we're in our 40 or 50s. Now we can all go back and go, wow, that was so cool to watch when we were kids, you know, I mean, that's what I love about DVD sets. Nowadays, you get the DVD sets, you're like, oh, my God, these are these are this is what it was, you know, I mean, I well, one thing you'll love.

[00:55:58] So I got a proposal. I got a proposal. If you will, recast this. I don't care if you do it a live action or motion capture or just a voice. Have Ryan Stiles as Bullwinkle. I have Christian Schaal as Rocky. All right. I'm there.

[00:56:20] No, no, no, no, I would have Dave Collier voice Bullwinkle or Maurice Lamar's do Bullwinkle. Okay. Okay. All right. Who was it? Who's the girl? Oh, Christian. Yeah. Christian Chenoweth. No, Christian Chenoweth. You know what? I'd like her a better yet. She could even be a funny Natasha. I'd like to see her expand her pipes and say, I don't know the Russian ox.

[00:56:49] Yeah, no, no, I think I think you need somebody a little more. All right. I'm trying to think for. I love Christian. She's awesome. Yeah, I'm trying to think who the hell you you would be great for freaking Boris. And if you just gave him a shot, he could probably pull it off and make a little the guy who played freaking Zoukhoff in Death of Stalin. Jason. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. He did Boris like a really.

[00:57:19] Jason Isaacs. Yeah, Jason Isaacs. Yeah. Yeah. He would ham it up. He'd be having a ball. He loves playing. I love I loved him in Death of Stalin. He was just so good in that, you know, and Zoukhoff just doesn't give a chance. Like he's like, hey, get me something. Fuck off, you know, real fast. But I love him, you know, that's what he loves to do. The guy you love to just see his come up. And so, yeah, I mean, yeah, who would be fearless leader?

[00:57:48] Like it's gotta be someone who can do just Andy circus. Andy circus. Okay. Yeah, I see that. Go for it. Andy circus could do that voice. Years ago, I would have said, you know, I'll recommend a course, but that can't happen. That can't happen now. Maybe tape. He probably wouldn't have done it because he hated being typecast so much, even though because he was so good at it.

[00:58:17] I could see Brad Garrett as Bullwinkle. Yeah. Oh, yes. Ray Raymond's brother. He has the vocal range. He totally, especially with seeing him in those recent like subway ads being the mobster boss guy. I could see him doing that. He get a little, he could go a little off on it, but yeah, just. Everybody loves Rocky.

[00:59:05] Everybody loves Rocky. He's like, you know, no, I didn't say that to him. Ray Ray. Deborah's a bitch. Divorce her. I thought we were going to stay. Look who I'm married. Look who I'm married to Ray. Look who I'm married to Amy. Perky. Blonde. Great in the sack. You're married to Deborah. Who's probably like screwing a dead fish. I remember that episode.

[00:59:38] I went to the, when I worked for AT&T, we, we worked the phone banks for PBS a few times. And one night they did a documentary on Rocky and Bullwinkle. So PBS. That's the one I watched. Yeah. I did do one. Can we see that anywhere? Was that, or was that on the masters? Or this is like 20, 30 years ago. Yeah. You'll be happy to know though, guys on the DVDs, there are apparently a lot of special features and making up stuff. So it's, it's not bare bones. It's not just circulate the tapes.

[01:00:07] Like there, there's a lot of people who have kept it alive. I wonder if it was an American masters or an American experience. That's what I was asking. I think it was an American experience. Okay. Because I think it was the 30th or 30th anniversary of 35th anniversary of Bullwinkle or something like that. I don't remember. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the problem. Unless they re-air them, you know, once a year, it's tough to keep up. Yeah.

[01:00:33] For the air reader, you almost have to get, I think you almost have to get, you have to get Morgan Freeman. Yeah. Stay tuned next week for the following. It was the squirrel who could fly. Tell me I'm not crazy. They did make a Dudley Do-Right movie, didn't they? Yeah. Yeah. I've seen that with Brendan Fraser. And I think that wasn't a strong- Alfred Molina played the bad guy. Mm-hmm.

[01:01:01] And it still airs commonly on AMC. It was a couple of moves. Yeah. I thought I'd seen it, but I, I'm like, I haven't seen anything about it in a long, long time. Of course, I haven't gone looking for it. Yeah. It's on AMC once a year. They often play it during the holidays because it's that kind of easy going Sunday night movie. Yeah. Yeah. It's making fun. There's a lot of Mountie humor, as you would in that kind of film. But what I did like was, again, the off color narrator, as off color as you could be in a PG thing.

[01:01:28] And so I think that's why, again, I would never put that or the adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle as worst movies of all time. I'm sorry. Like, there is so much, there are plenty of other movies. You can put Cool World or you can put some other bad, you know, animated movie or video game adaptation as the worst. I'm not gonna- I wouldn't say they're the worst, but I think they kind of fell flat for the material that they had. Okay. No, that's fine.

[01:01:58] It works, it works better as the, you know. No, that's fine. I, I, I just would see so many of them. Like, and it's funny how Jason Alexander and both De Niro have since gone on and said, oh, I did it for the money. I'm like, well, I think De Niro is more sour because he put a lot of his own, you know, production into it. And he didn't get it back. And, but I would have liked a better Boris. Yeah. You know, Jason tried.

[01:02:23] I just think there could have been some other more, like all the other comedians you guys mentioned, I think they would have been better as Boris. Yeah. Just, they, there's a little more of the just, they can just lean heavier into the accents, you know, instead of we get someone who is heavy set, but also dimwitted, you know. I like some of the visual gags on the original series too.

[01:02:48] I, there's one where Rocky's smelling the scent of, of Bullwinkle's recipe for the moon man that I hold the whole complicated plot. And he's tracked, they show the trail of him following the scent. It looks like the Washington Monument shows up and instead of going around it, he goes up and over the Washington Monument. He's dotted lines. It's like, why? Why? He's saying, let's mess with this, you know. Do you think?

[01:03:18] No King's family circus with a trail. So maybe that plays into the, the Geico ad. Yeah. Yeah. You can't even get Mount, Mount Moosh more. It's like, oh my God, is that what it's called? Well, the thing, the thing I always loved is when he would do the, the, the magician actually, hey Rocky, you want me to pull the rabbit out of my hat? And he'd pull out a lion. Yeah. You know, that's, that's something. It didn't matter how the lion got in there.

[01:03:46] It's just, it's like, of course he would find the wrong animal. It was just, the lion, the tiger, the rhino. A rhino. I do remember the rhino one. He pulled, he pulled, he pulled Rocky out at one time. And those were. Yeah. Paul, that's me. Those were setups for the commercials to follow, which it's kind of of its era that they would. Maybe that shows would, would, you know, the stars would hype the commercial. Oh, so right. It's so funny. We've been talking about marketing.

[01:04:16] Uh, maybe there's a lot of that kind of humor in today's ads. The, the gotcha stuff. Just like, uh, you'll, you'll have to stay tuned. You, you gotta stay here for the next five, 10 minutes. You know, that it can't get any less funny. Yeah. Uh, and. Well, they didn't sell cigarettes like the Flintstones did. Yeah. I was going to say, yeah. So you'll, you'll be delighted.

[01:04:43] The worst they had is they had some Taco Bell ads in the eighties. Oh God. If that's the worst they can do, you know, I'll take it. It's not like they, I don't know, pulled a Spielberg and hired a infamous filmmaker to do a Twilight Zone movie. See what I did there. You know, it's not. If that's the worst you can do an ad for the diarrhea causing Taco Bell, I guess, I guess I'll take that. That's okay.

[01:05:07] I remember going way back to radio when you had sponsors and WC fields had a radio show and he had a character on there named Chester. Chester fields cigarettes. Yeah. Their sponsor was like Winston or something. It was just a jab at their sponsor. My people, Chester fields cigarettes, you know, but it wouldn't, I would say it, but you know, you never said Chester fields, but you know. Did you guys ever go to Universal Studios and see the live show?

[01:05:34] I had fun finding that clip from 92. No, I never did. Unfortunately, it looked animated. It's kind of dorky because like they, the, the suit performers keep bursting into song after threatening.

[01:05:52] So as long as you go for the campiness, it is fun just seeing the voice talent they have and some of the other physical gags that they were able to sneak into a show of that era. I mean, I do miss a lot of these live attractions because don't get me wrong.

[01:06:09] There's always something fun that I'll see at one of those studios, but I do wish there was kind of a little more like diversity instead of something that's constantly changes every season. You know, it goes away, then they bring it back out for nostalgia sake. And it's like, man, you can keep it around for a while. Yeah. So, I mean, I think we aced it guys.

[01:06:38] I don't, I, I really don't have anything. I don't see how anyone could hate this cartoon. I really don't like it's, it's not violent. It's not risque. It's not. And for a 50 again, like you would have to just flat out hate cartoons. If you just flat out, we're just like, there is nothing to gain from this is like, no, there's all kinds of wit and just outrageousness. We're also going to see Winston Churchill as a moon man.

[01:07:09] Yeah. Yeah. I don't think, I don't think people hate Rocky and Bullwinkle, but I do know there are a lot of people who just don't understand it. Yeah. Oh, I have no doubt the dumb dumbs just who were asleep during history class. They're probably a bag of people. I hate to just root out one group, but there's probably someone who's just like, I don't know what science is or anything. It's like, dude, they're making fun of a mathematician there.

[01:07:37] Bullwinkle having to learn how to drive a car, you know, it's just, it's not something you want to do. And you got to love how Rocky is just so loyal to him, like all the time, even though his friend just can't, he's well meaning, but he just can't do anything right. And yet he's the lovable idiot. Yeah. Yeah. It's not like free stooges where we drive each other crazy and we, because of our ineptness, we somehow anger a bunch of other mobsters and evil bad guys and somehow save the day.

[01:08:06] And we didn't even realize it. Yeah. It's a little like, it's a little like Marge and Homer. Or. I don't like it. And it's just kind of the third wheel. It's kind of just that cartoon that you go in between all the other cartoons. Cause I mean, you, you look at it with like the funnies in the newspaper. If you're not reading Snoopy and the peanuts gang, then you can read Calvin and Hobbes or Garfield in France. It's okay. You know, that's just it.

[01:08:30] I was watching some shows today and I'm thinking to myself, boy, I kind of get more enjoyment out of the fractured fairy tales and the people. Yeah. Improbable history. Improbable history. And I think. Don't get me wrong. I don't think. Well, Rocky and Bullwinkle were kind of the popular kids in school, but at least. The characters who, even though they had their own segments, much like Hanna-Barbera, they would invade sometimes their main storyline on occasion. I think, I think that's what was fun.

[01:09:00] It was still a connected universe. It wasn't just, you know, who was the most seen out of the cartoons that got, you know, replayed the most. You know? I think that. Well, I mean, at least with the fractured fairy tales and the improbable histories, those were self contained within the show. Yeah. Rocky and Bullwinkle was the stuff that was carried over from episode to episode. Yeah. The beginning of the end. Didn't Dudley do right appear in a few of their segments though?

[01:09:28] I know he did, but not in the ones I was watching the earlier. Okay. Yeah. So this is later on. Okay. Well, but no, that's a good point, Tom. I think there are a lot of people asleep at the wheel. Like they just want to put on a cartoon and just experience just like idiotic. And then be get annoyed when you ask questions. It's like, I, I, I hate to think that we are just cause we're streaming everything and too lazy to put in a disc.

[01:09:55] Doesn't mean, you know, like I'll see people who will do the whole, oh, let's hang out at a movie. I'm like, we're at a movie. We're not hanging out unless we do, you know, we meet up at a restaurant beforehand, you know, or we get there early. So I do hate when people want to be in a room, but not actually interact with each other or laugh together. I'm like, the whole point of going together is you're experiencing something together. Shut up. I'm watching. I'm like, okay.

[01:10:27] I just, I just think, you know, for the time it was like, it was kind of like anti authoritarian, you know, like most, most cartoons back in those, in those fifties. And it's, you know, it was always kind of like, you know, I mean, you had Warner brothers and you had Hanna-Barbera, but for, for Rocky and Bullock, it was kind of like, you know what? Screw it. Let's just throw in what we need to throw in. Kids will like it. Parents will like it. And Jay word was like, it was like, he was like this mad, mad professor.

[01:10:58] He was putting things in there and he was going, okay, put that in there. Put it. Okay. That works. That's fine. Okay. Put that, write that in there. And then we'll do, we'll do Mr. Peabody and Sherman. We'll just go on that. And that'll be, that'll be a big giant, like a joke to the punchline, you know, like what happens here. Then we'll do Aesop's Fables. Then we'll do Fractured Fairy Tales, you know, and we'll, you know, we'll do this and we'll do that. But he's like, it's like, it's like, he had this, it was like this long, it was like, I always say it's like, it's like a line. If you draw a line, it can go in one direction.

[01:11:27] But if you draw a line and you go like point A, point A, point B, point C, and the line that's in the middle is still your running point for the middle part. But all these branches come out of that line. That's how you got to look at Rocky and Bullwinkle. You know, there's, there's the story of Rocky and Bullwinkle, but there's like, you know, Fractured Fairy Tales, Aesop's Fables, you know, all this, this. And then there's the other things coming, you know, Georgia, the jungle, Dudley, do right.

[01:11:50] You know, yeah, that's why I brought it up. I had fun tracking it down because I get more distract, distressed, if you will, when I see. I mean, we're seeing it now with HBO Max guy, he needs to go. He's just killing half the projects that are well hyped and just kill him as tax write offs is like so we need. I've already been listening to again, more of how not to make a movie and seeing producers who will take the first property.

[01:12:19] That's a thing, but have zero interest or knowledge about it. There needs to be just like whoever's selling away rights. It better be more than just, you know, Chico needs the money. It better be like he this guy. It's in good stuff, right? It can't just be all Spielberg, you know, gave me the world. It should be. And they're going to do a good job with it. And I've already had dinner with the guy who's given me his word.

[01:12:48] They're not going to screw this up, you know, is this. And yeah, because it's very easy to screw up a beloved property of green Hornet chips, Charlie's Angels. Oh, oh, yeah. Keep hurting. Yeah. Don't get me started on. I know, Gil, you said you were kind of disappointed by this fall guy. I was disappointed by.

[01:13:12] I've had my share of like TV based movies where I'm like, see, even on it, like I was that way with Reacher where I'm like, OK, it's Tom Cruise doing in CIS. Not as good as the book, which I couldn't put down. I would have to pick my sister up from her college. And she's like, where are you? I'm like, I'm in the library. I can't put this book down. You know that the movie didn't have that. The movie had. OK, that was a cool fight scene. But what was the plot? Really? It's just you have so many plots that.

[01:13:42] I think I think it's more than just don't get me wrong. There's many great screenwriters who, unfortunately, they do have to do a Robert Town where they are the script doctors. You know, Frank Derr Bond's done a bunch of that. I get it. You got to make a living. And sometimes that's what the rewrite is actually what makes the movie better, ironically. But there's also so many other times where it's just like, OK, you've done it five times. Stop. Just your voice will be lost. It won't add up. You'll have to rewrite it again.

[01:14:11] And then so you won't make your money back at this rate unless you have a crazy, you know, pitch perfect, you know, Internet marketing campaign in this day and age. And I think that is it. Everybody gets impatient. And if it's not the suits coming in and not understanding it and firing the director, then it's also a mixture of just again, just forcing it out.

[01:14:35] We got to follow a trend like we've said it before how we're kind of distracted by every movie trying to imitate Deadpool is like, don't just be you. You can't replicate Deadpool. You can, but it's just not going to be as funny. And I. I'm not even aware of any movies trying to pretend to be. Oh, there's been some other Ryan Reynolds or movies with the rock that were kind of like that, where they talk to the camera or do some fourth wall.

[01:15:01] And you're like, OK, that's OK, but it didn't merit it for this kind of movie. Like. I think you can have your own voice and just be witty. And instead of Lord Michaels came in and said, we got to cut the skit, you know, it shouldn't have to be. Pure pressure. And I get that that's easier said than done if they're unimpressed with ratings or they just have no faith that.

[01:15:29] I don't know how much of it, how how many strikes do you think it takes for someone to just kind of say, we're taking this away from you. We've given you a get out of jail free card and you're not following our input. I don't know how much of it is. They if the director is being rude to the producer's aides or if they are doing what they want, but it's not fast enough. I think there's still a disconnect with visual effects.

[01:15:55] I will say that much in animation, you will always see some jerk who's I want it. I want my dailies and I want them now. I'm like, I we just told you this was going to take two months to have an animation draft. We'll meet in two months. No, I need to see it now. Well, again, it will part of we'll see you again in two months. Do not yet. So I think there is a lot of that impatientness. I, I was fortunate enough to meet one of the head guys who won the Oscar for the effects in total recall. They did the x-ray scene at the airport.

[01:16:24] Like so for Sony pictures image works and he said he had his share of directors who would give them a very unhelpful note saying can you make these these effects not look like crap. Like, gee, thanks. Like, what part? It sounds like you hate it all. So I don't know how much of it is directors jump at the first chance without, you know, doing their homework or they just are a yes man who doesn't take anything too seriously.

[01:16:54] If I hire someone, I want you to at least have seen more than just like five episodes of a show or cartoon. And if it's a book or another movie adaptation is like, okay, take the spirit of it. Don't do the same thing all over again, you know, just and obviously you can't appeal to everybody, but definitely make sure I would definitely want to make sure to get with the marketing like trailer advertisement team.

[01:17:21] And just say, make sure these segments are in the trailer somewhere before you add the epic music and all the other stuff. Don't don't just, you know, add very loud, you know, fully, you know, it doesn't have to be look like Christopher Nolan movie or a WTF twist like a Shyamalan or Jordan Piltang and it doesn't have to have. And rap or electronic crappy music blaring either, you know, it doesn't have to have any of that stuff that just makes you go that looks stupid.

[01:17:49] You know, I think that's the other thing, too. They just add music that's not in the movie and just there's just so many misleading things. And I think the other thing is when you approach a property like this, people assume because it's got dumb characters, it must cater to the lowest common denominator. Like, no, just because it's got dumb stuff doesn't mean you got to make it for only dumb people.

[01:18:13] You definitely don't know. Just because we watched a James Bond movie doesn't mean it has to be lowbrow or can't be all the time, for instance. And just because we see a beloved comedian do a movie doesn't mean there has to be scatological humor necessarily. He can stretch himself and do a different kind of gag. I mean. And I get it. People. Don't know what they want at the time. Sometimes they prefer it be formula. And good. And I'm just like. Use your words.

[01:18:43] Describe what you want. Have a good pitch. Again, you know, this is why I always love doing it with you guys, because it's like, you know, we find our limit. I mean, you go down and get your laundry. I'm going to go down. Okay. All right. Yeah, I think the one thing that gets me the most now is like, as I'm watching all these old cartoons, like, you know, Brockie and Bullwinkle and Looney Tunes and stuff like that. The writing.

[01:19:10] At that time was so it was, you know, it's like these were guys that did gags for radio. Irreverent as well as reference. The Brockie and Bullwinkle were the cartoon version of the counterculture. It was counterculture, definitely, because like and that's just it. Like. Maybe that's why it shielded itself so well. All the politicians are like, good. Our kids are learning that the commies are bad, you know, so we'll leave it alone, you know, and.

[01:19:39] All the rest of us are just who are actually glued in, actually paying attention or just loving again, just. The radio were the skits that they're doing, you know, so I think. You got to just keep just dressing it up and. The morons who record for everybody leave us alone while. The people who are actually.

[01:20:04] Are down to see what it's about, you know, are glued in, you know, that they're the right kind of patient crowd. So. I remember a line in one of the Rockies. What about the taxes? Well, we can't make everyone happy. See, that's a good example. Like it just. And you got to just.

[01:20:33] I hate it when I see people just laughing nervously along with something, but they don't understand it. Like, do you get it? Oh, my word. We're going to be here all day. You know, it's just. Come on. Do you understand what a joke is, sir? Do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth? Yeah. That's what you need. John Madden with an illustrator. So here's a guy. He gets the punchline here, but then he goes to the other joke. And then that guy goes. That joke goes there. And then that joke goes there. I like it when the squirrel flew.

[01:21:03] Boom, you know. John, that's a good thing. John, that's a good thing to say. Mind if I have a fifth bottle of scotch here while you're talking? I remember Trace Baleau saying something about Crowe. You could get away with stuff. He said that because he was a puppet. And it's kind of the same thing with cartoons, you know. It's definitely. Oh, it's just a cartoon. And they can get stuff in there, you know. Well, no, that's exactly. That's the thing about TV in general.

[01:21:31] You can say things in those that you can't say in real life. I think this had to be a cartoon. Like, if this was a live action, like, they would try and do something like that with, like, Winnie the Pooh, and it wasn't successful. So, like, if this was live action, this would grow tiresome and quick. Because we've seen just. It would risk being oversaturated. We'd be like, this is about the fifth bumbling idiot going on an adventure show that we've seen. So, I think it is good that it's from an animal perspective.

[01:21:59] And the Russian villains who are inept are as much the star. And they're funny, you know. It's just because their ineptness is just priceless. It's just, you can't just not guffaw. It's just like, why even bother? Oh, here they are again, you know. And, again, the guest characters were just as much a scene still. You wanted to see how they're going to get out of this perilous predicament. And, you know, it was always just a, really? Did they just really do that?

[01:22:29] You know, instead of just go to just the stupidest outcome they could possibly do. You know, and like I said before, the other segments were just as good. You know, you wanted to see what Peabody and Sherman could talk about. You know, it's just. And I don't know, man. I see so many other cartoons where you're like, I like that one segment. I can't stand all the other characters. And there's so, again, there's just so many bodily functions I see in cartoons. I'm like, I'm eating here.

[01:23:01] When you're not 12 anymore. I mean, don't get me wrong. Some restroom humor is funny. But there's others where you're like, did Adam Sandler write this? This is. Yeah. Yuck. Well, you made a point, too, about all of TV is like that. I remember I took a night class in humanities and the professor pointed out that on TV shows, everything's resolved with somebody getting punched out or put down. Oh, that's true. Yeah. Or to this day, it still happens. You know, that's how the results. They get around.

[01:23:31] Or get a shot, you know. That we only come back to the ones where it's like a half a victory and half a loss. Like, OK, I saved the girl who was in peril, but the other beloved character got shot. So he had to. Dan, if you do, Dan, if you don't. Have you guys ever read Save the Cat? No. So it's a wonderful script writing book that many people use.

[01:23:57] If you ever bring it up, if you ever ask a screenwriter that they likely have read it and they had a great article on James Bond is going to survive every movie he's in. So to make up for that. You know, the invincible hero. Everything around him has to change, which is why, again, you know, but it's more than just different villain, different Bond girl and everything. There's got to be like an outcome like, hey, I tried to save my one spy friend. He's dead, Jim.

[01:24:23] You know, and then there's there's other moments, too, though, where some but then that can easily backfire, too. If you feel like people are still hesitant to get into a show, if every one of them is just a punching bag or a bullet hole, you know, waiting to happen. You know, so I it really I really do tune out of a show if I feel like because of that actor, they're the only reason I'm coming back.

[01:24:47] You know, like, no, I need I need to really like the production value and content and material. And it can't just be, hey, well, that was stupid. That was fun. And it's like and sometimes that is all we need. But for the ones you want me to come back to, I really have to just really feel like you are you're dialed in. You're coming up with your own concept instead of, oh, I got to be like this other show or I got to I just exist because we got an Emmy.

[01:25:16] Now, this, you know, the summer, you know, I get it. I get that not everyone can be entertained. But with comedy, I mean, like Gil was saying, you got to dress it up a bit and then. Kind of like a giant Jenga said, just slowly come tumbling down after keeping us in suspense, you know, just. Yeah, no, yes, sir. Not you, you know, quicker, quicker, quicker.

[01:25:43] Yeah, you go to Germany. They don't really want to talk about Hitler over there. All right. So there you go. Major Todd. Ego Foo? Ego Foo? No. Yeah. Here's the. So one of these days someone should ask Spielberg is Major Todd and Raiders of the Lost Ark based on Fearless Leader. Probably not. I think I think I think the best thing I ever heard about Germany was one time they were Monty Python was going to film their shows there.

[01:26:11] And he says somebody said something. And Graham Chapman just said, well, just tell them that we're Jewish and they'll get everything done better for us. Oh, wow. Grief. No, they did a couple shows over there, didn't they? The German? They did. Yeah, they did two shows. One's in German and one's in English. Yep. They did one in German and one in English. Yeah. They have subtitles for the German one? Yeah, they do.

[01:26:41] They do. The second German show I'm always trying to look for on DVD. I think it might have been released on the Blu-ray. Yeah. Because the one that I have now just has the one show. I don't think they could get the other rights for the other show. But the second show. Do they ever do a Blu-ray of Rocky and Bullwinkle, you think? I they probably will. I don't know. They'll probably have it out on Blu-ray. They'll probably clean up the prints or something like that. You know, because. It's always funny, though, too, when I have to have this argument with people.

[01:27:10] They're just like, OK, that's too old. The best you can do is HD. It's not coming to Blu-ray. Like, no, everyone's lost the material or it's been digitally altered so many times. No one knows where to find it. And it just sucks having to tell people this. It doesn't have to be on Blu-ray to matter. It can still be good. Yeah. Did you care about Blu-ray before it was popular? Probably not. I'm all good if you want better sound and better resolution.

[01:27:39] But then there are other times where it's like, guys, that's the best they can do. They have already sat down and done as much of a remaster as they can. Well, I mean, the thing against me now is like they've been saying, oh, we're going to remaster this. We're going to remaster that. OK, fine. Remaster it. Make it look. What happens is you get the remaster and sometimes it's washed. The audio is washed out or it's done with 4.1 and you can't hear things on it. You know, as much as you gain, you lose something.

[01:28:08] I mean, one of my favorite things when watching. Oh, the interpreter by on DVD was there was a great special feature with Cindy Pollack and just showing full screen versus widescreen. It's like, see, this is what I want the full screen to look like. This is what I want the widescreen to look like. Well, yeah. Listen to the Tigers AM radio last night. I like that ambient sound. That AM radio sound.

[01:28:36] It's like comfort food, you know. Yeah. Well, and nostalgia for the wind. Again, you know, like if you've been living and breathing that stuff, it's just like another day at the office. It's like people who like to hear the records rather than the digital or digitized music because the records will have that sound to it from the needle. I remember somebody telling me there's a sound with vinyl. You hear the note, you hear a sound before and after the note that you don't get on CD or whatever. There's definitely a bit of that.

[01:29:08] I still, though, do miss putting CDs in my car. I was doing it for a while until I got too busy. But there are other times, though, like much like how we're picking different diets and schedules. Just remember the memories. It's a memory, but you wouldn't think about it for the bit of time if it didn't matter to you in some capacity. Like, listen, I see so many other people who do the whole I'm afraid to revisit it. Somebody's going to ruin it for me.

[01:29:37] I'm like, not if you have your own two feet to stand on, it won't. It's just if it really made a bit of an impression for you, that's OK. You don't have to cater to peer pressure or all my family hates it. Well, their loss. You can still enjoy it by yourself, by your lonesome. It's OK. Yeah, there was nobody in my family ever liked anything that I like. Welcome to the club. And it's not you're not saying they're wrong either, even though they probably are.

[01:30:05] But it's like, OK, they don't have to enjoy it. Their loss. And I see so many. They will just do the whole like I've been hearing people who've been reviewing John Hughes movies on their podcast and getting divisive. I'm like, well, it shouldn't be. Those movies were good for a while because they lasted so many generations of high schoolers. So if it's not for you, though, move on.

[01:30:32] Like, shoot, stop wrecking it for everybody instead of just doing the whole you can't like that. Well, it's a movie. Watch me. Someone out there likes it. Watch me. Challenge me. Yeah. It's just like we don't have to argue about movies. Like when we've had hot takes on here, none of us have ever shouted the editor down and been like, you're a fucking moron. And it's like, well, I hope that day never comes. It's like. But it's amazing.

[01:30:55] I have had to stop listening to certain podcasts just because they went from being really wacky to snobby. I'm like. And in my defense, I am a fucking moron. I think you're bright, but to each their own, man. I'll let you speak for yourself, Tom. That came out of left field. My God. Are we putting everybody on trial here? I mean, shit.

[01:31:26] But I was the only kid in my junior high that was a Ray Stevens fan and drove everybody nuts with that. I mean, I think the other thing, I think it is a bit of that. I see people do the whole, oh, no one in my class knows about it. Like, and who cares? Yeah. You do. You like it. I still like listening to him. I'm not crazy about his politics, but you know. And that's the other thing, too. I think. It's funny, though, because some of his 60 songs were very left wing. So.

[01:31:55] That's the other thing, too. There are going to be a lot of people who just somewhere down the road, they just really change their whole how they are and everything. And it gets annoying when you have to tell on this, like, it's not because of your politics that you're bad. Although I definitely don't want to be in an interview with you. But something also changed behind the scenes, because whatever you're churning out, it just doesn't sound like you anymore. Did you guys see that thing I shared with the guess who? Oh, yeah. And my dad shared that with me.

[01:32:25] And he's just like it. The people that we were both speculating, the people at that audience chamber must have not been hearing it too well. Just hearing the blaring acoustics or they're not familiar with the song he's covering because it could not be any less different. Have you seen? Have you seen the videos of Frankie Valli recently? No. Is he? Okay. How do I put it to you this way? He comes out. They start singing like, you know, let's say Big Girls Don't Cry.

[01:32:55] He's got the mic in his hand, but he's like. Mouthing the words. He's not singing. Somebody actually posted. I was like, oh, my God, he must have something wrong with him mentally or physically. I don't know what, but it was like it was like, oh, Jesus Christ, this is bad. Yeah, he was on the Sopranos for a few episodes. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:33:20] Well, and when I see even people going to music numbers, I see so many people wanting to just mock what they're singing. I'm like, we're basing this on effort here, guys, not on. We can talk about whether we do or don't like the song later. That's a whole different story. And I think snarkiness is just killing a lot of people. It's just like, dude, base it on the effort, not on. One dimensional, you suck. Well, why do you suck?

[01:33:57] It's always a delight. And I really was looking forward to it just because I just. Yeah, I didn't know where it was going to go. And I do think it is fun just seeing how. So, again, just when we're talking about classic cartoons, you know, it's like. First, we talk about the animation, then we talk about the material, then we talk about where it's carried on. And again, it's just. It's never dense. It's never one dimensional. It's always always the light.

[01:34:26] So shut the lights off. Shut the lights off should be the next. Shut the front door. Shut the lights off. Shut the damn lights off. Yeah. Is that how Larry Sanders ends? I can't remember. So I've been running Rocky Poinco in the background. It's ironic. They've got mice, a bunch of mice here because I killed eight mice in the garage. Oh, geez. Oh, my word. It's so morbid. I'm at the point where you're going to bait the trap.

[01:34:54] You just set the trap out and they'll run over it. It's a trap. You know where to get them. It's a trap. Anyway. So there's the Star Wars connection. Fred Steiner. I thought I'd share that. To Return of the Jedi. Do you need Squill to lure them out? Squill? So what beats rock, paper, scissors? I say flying Squill. What was it on Big Bang? Rock, paper, scissors? Paper Spock. Yeah.

[01:35:24] Rock, paper, scissors, Spock. Paper, Spock. So there you go. The rock, paper, scissors, something Spock. There was two things. Yeah. Two extra things. I'll just say that Star Trek ripped off Rocky and Bullwinkle. Just because. I don't know why. I'm just making stuff up here. But it'd be funny, though. The time tunnel connection. The time tunnel connection. There you go. Bam, bam, quick finger. And yeah. Yeah.

[01:35:53] Imagine if there was a Klingon equivalent of Mars and Natasha. I'll get to you till next time, one. Breaking Spock. We didn't get to talk about Cecil the C6 Sea Serpent. That wasn't Jay Ward, though, I don't believe. Nope. That was Bob Clampett. Bob Clampett, yeah. Oh, Bob Clampett. Cartoon. Yeah. Yeah. Well, no, you're not saying it. Cartoon.

[01:36:22] I also remember there was a Dorothy, animated Dorothy and Tin Man and the Scarecrow that would host a movie on Sunday nights. Oh, what was that? Yeah. Man, that was. I can't remember. The year was 1909. People were wearing onions on their belts. What's the fashion at the time? It was like 71, so. Does anybody remember Tennessee Tuxedo? Oh, absolutely.

[01:36:52] Don Adams. Tennessee Tuxedo and his tail, yeah. With Mr. Whoopi. Mr. Whoopi, yeah. Jay Phineas Whoopi or the Groove? The Hulk Hate and the B. Oh, jeez. And the 3D BB. Colonel McBragger. Can I ever tell you about the time we were in the safari? Yes. All the times, kind of. And the Go-Go Gophers.

[01:37:21] And, of course, they also were. They weren't connected with Underdog or. There was something close to that. Angry Angry Beavers was a ripoff of Boris and Natasha. I don't know. I'm just making stuff up. Wacky races. Wacky races. That was a total ripoff of the Cannibal Run. No. No. Wacky races. What's the ripoff of the Great Race? Or the Gumball Rally. Yeah, there you go. Great Race. Great Race.

[01:37:51] Great Race. Before both of them, yeah. The Great Race comes before Wacky Races, and that becomes Penelope Pitstop. And I can tell you right off the bat that I remember my mother watching Wacky Races with me when I was a little kid. And she's like, oh, if you like this, you'll love the Great Race. And I'm like, what? Jack Lemmon and Peter Falk. If you say so, mother.

[01:38:20] Professor Fate. I love that. Who's the British guy? The British guy. Oh, man. What's his name? The fussy British guy was on there, too. Oh, yeah. Terry Thomas. Terry Thomas, yeah. And with us. That's our show. Okay, folks. That's not all. Oh, nah. Dead or alive. You're coming with me. Yeah. And the squill.

[01:38:50] You're flying squill. You're coming with me. Yeah, there you go. Yes, let's do a Schwarzenegger version. He plays for this little. Dead. Hey, Rocky. Why don't you put a rabbit out of my hat? Hey, Rocky. Why don't you put a rabbit out of your hat? Now. I need you to fly, you damn squill. Now. Gentlemen, I'm going to leave. I have to get up for work in the morning. I do, too. I apologize. So.

[01:39:20] Me three. My wife just chimed in, so. Got to get to the cartoon chopper. Bye-bye. Got to get to the cartoon chopper. I'll see you guys. Get to the chopper. Get to the chopper. I'll see you guys next week, okay? See you next week. Don't get it. I see you first. See you next week, kids. Cool story, Mark. Follow us on the web on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram.

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