MVP Week: Death Wish Films Overview with Eric Todd (from This Week in Charles Bronson Podcast!)

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[00:00:39] Then they killed it all. Their methods are brutal. It happened once before. They killed his wife. They raped his daughter. It's about to happen again. Somebody has got to crack down. They deserve to die. And no one's got the guts to stop them. No one is able to stop them. The police can't stop it.

[00:00:59] But there is one way. One man to turn to. The one thing they didn't count on. The one thing they didn't count on. Was a one man crackdown. Was an enemy who wouldn't back down. One man who does what the police can't do. One man who won't be pushed. Charles Bronson. Charles Bronson. Charles Bronson. Charles Bronson. Charles Bronson. Charles Bronson. Charles Bronson. Charles Bronson. Charles Bronson. Charles Bronson. Charles Bronson. Charles Bronson. Charles Bronson. Charles Bronson. Charles Bronson. Charles Bronson. Charles Bronson. Charles Bronson. Charles Bronson. Charles Bronson. Charles Bronson. Charles Bronson. Charles Bronson. Charles Bronson. Charles Bronson. Charles Bronson. Charles Bronson. Charles Bronson. Charles Bronson. Charles Bronson. Charles Bronson. Charles Brons

[00:01:28] and Daniel Baldwin.

[00:01:30] Charles Bronson.

[00:01:31] Charles Bronson.

[00:01:32] Charles Bronson is back.

[00:01:34] Bronson is back.

[00:01:35] Bronson's back.

[00:01:36] He's back.

[00:01:37] Bronson's back.

[00:01:39] Charles Bronson.

[00:01:40] Has it ever occurred to you

[00:01:41] the president might be the one who wants you dead?

[00:01:45] Charles Bronson is a cop.

[00:01:47] A cop on the run.

[00:01:48] A renegade cop.

[00:01:49] This cop plays dirty.

[00:01:50] An uncompromising detective.

[00:01:52] Sometimes he wears a badge.

[00:01:53] He begins where all the super cops leave off.

[00:01:56] For years, he's made his own rules.

[00:01:58] A man who feared nothing except being afraid.

[00:02:01] His kind of courage gets people killed.

[00:02:04] He was haunted by a nightmare

[00:02:05] which drove him to the brink of madness.

[00:02:08] Call him a mad vigilante.

[00:02:10] He's one angry man.

[00:02:12] With a deadly assignment.

[00:02:13] He's working to destroy the drug empire.

[00:02:16] Eliminating the pushers.

[00:02:17] Looking for a killer.

[00:02:18] Executing the murderers.

[00:02:20] Fighting back.

[00:02:20] Seeking revenge.

[00:02:22] Exterminating the rats.

[00:02:23] Bringing justice to the streets.

[00:02:25] Investigating a senseless massacre.

[00:02:27] A sensational crime.

[00:02:29] Every obsession explodes into an explosive confrontation.

[00:02:33] If the Russian mafia was after your family,

[00:02:37] who would you call?

[00:02:38] Just call Bronson.

[00:02:41] For every criminal,

[00:02:42] he's a nightmare come alive.

[00:02:44] He hunts down the men.

[00:02:46] You'd like to hunt yourself.

[00:02:48] He's the best there is at getting even.

[00:02:50] He will do anything he has to.

[00:02:52] But they wouldn't let him.

[00:02:53] His was an act of defiance.

[00:02:55] Charles Bronson has the wilderness and the will to be free.

[00:02:59] He has a photographic memory.

[00:03:01] But now, he's been set up.

[00:03:03] Now, he must clear his name.

[00:03:05] Now, Charles Bronson is out to uncover the truth.

[00:03:09] Now, he's face to face with the filth of the city.

[00:03:12] Now, he's in the middle of a war.

[00:03:14] Now, Bronson is their target.

[00:03:16] And Charles Bronson's the only one who can stop them.

[00:03:19] And he's running out of time.

[00:03:20] But Bronson has a hunch.

[00:03:22] So he's doing it again.

[00:03:23] But this time, the thrill went too far.

[00:03:25] This time, he's under suspicion.

[00:03:27] And this time, he's not leaving until his wish is their command.

[00:03:32] And it's up to him to stop the madness.

[00:03:36] The trap is set.

[00:03:38] Here he comes.

[00:03:39] The fuse is lit.

[00:03:42] Bronson is unleashed.

[00:03:46] When the system of justice doesn't work, Bronson does.

[00:03:50] When the police can't stop it, one man will his way.

[00:03:57] When the courts can't do what they must, Bronson will.

[00:04:04] For the crimes, Bronson is the only punishment.

[00:04:08] In the name of revenge, there is just one name.

[00:04:13] Bronson.

[00:04:14] Where there is no justice, there can only be vengeance.

[00:04:19] When there is no justice, this man is the law.

[00:04:23] When evil becomes above the law, the only law left belongs to Bronson.

[00:04:30] There is only one law.

[00:04:32] His.

[00:04:33] Charles Bronson takes the law into his own hands and squeezes it to death.

[00:04:38] Bronson will find justice if he has to break every law there is.

[00:04:42] After all the evidence is in, he'll reach his own verdict and execute the sentence.

[00:04:48] In the execution of justice, there is no executioner like him.

[00:04:53] Oh!

[00:04:56] Dead.

[00:04:58] Charles Bronson stars in...

[00:05:00] Charles Bronson, the biggest Bronson ever.

[00:05:03] Charles Bronson is Jack Bronson.

[00:05:05] In a Charles Bronson.

[00:05:06] Production of a Charles Bronson film.

[00:05:08] Starring the magnificent Bronson.

[00:05:10] As Major Gregory Bronson.

[00:05:12] Over K.G. Bronson.

[00:05:13] Codename Bronson.

[00:05:14] You've never seen Bronson like this.

[00:05:16] Charles Bronson presents...

[00:05:18] Charles Bronson's Break Heart Bronson.

[00:05:20] The movie that touches the Bronson in all of us.

[00:05:23] Young Charles Bronson's brief stint replacing Andy Griffith in The Andy Griffith Show.

[00:05:32] Where's Otis?

[00:05:33] He's not in his cell.

[00:05:35] I shot him.

[00:05:36] Well, that's...

[00:05:36] What?

[00:05:37] Now I'm going down to Emmett's Fix-It Shop.

[00:05:39] To fix Emmett.

[00:06:33] What's going down, Cam Sully?

[00:06:35] Oh, just a bit of everything.

[00:06:39] Nice.

[00:06:40] You've had an okay year so far?

[00:06:42] So far, so good.

[00:06:46] The podcast, This Week in Charles Bronson, has had a great year.

[00:06:50] Me, personally, I just lost a job.

[00:06:52] My company folded and all that.

[00:06:54] So I'm just enjoying some time off while having panic attack.

[00:06:57] Thinking about where I'm going to work next.

[00:07:00] Yeah, geez.

[00:07:01] Just enjoying unemployment and panic attacks.

[00:07:05] I've had my share of that.

[00:07:07] I've had some friends who are enjoying their spare time and vice versa.

[00:07:11] Like, I'm at the point where I'm like, hey, if something bad happens, I got these backup plans that need to occur.

[00:07:18] Yeah, I'm trying to work on things that I love and do a little bit of writing and stuff like that.

[00:07:23] How are you doing today?

[00:07:25] I'm delightful.

[00:07:26] And I always love doing these discussions just because having all these invaluable guests on is just making an impact in terms of just seeing why certain topics, you know, still won't.

[00:07:42] They will always have an endless amount of fandom because they...

[00:07:48] It could be either it's a personal pop culture connection or it could be, yeah, I just watched these a bunch growing up and I find something new in it every time.

[00:07:55] And we've been even doing it, expanding it, where we even look at comics, books, video games based off movies.

[00:08:07] And it's always a lot of fun seeing which of them actually did something with their material versus wasn't quite there yet or not a good use of the license.

[00:08:18] Right.

[00:08:19] It's very cool that all these pop culture podcasts exist and that there's so many of them that are actually informative and entertaining.

[00:08:29] You know, I like to think of this week and Charles Bronson as being informative and entertaining and not just...

[00:08:34] You guys have been doing it for a while, about three years now?

[00:08:36] It's been about three years.

[00:08:37] We started on...

[00:08:38] We started...

[00:08:39] I don't remember if we recorded on Charles Bronson's 100th.

[00:08:42] No, we recorded before...

[00:08:44] We dropped the first episode on his 100th...

[00:08:47] What would have been his 100th birthday.

[00:08:49] Yeah.

[00:08:51] 2021.

[00:08:52] And now it's 2024.

[00:08:53] 2024.

[00:08:54] We probably should have about 300 more episodes, but we do it when we can do it.

[00:08:59] Sometimes we go a couple months without doing one.

[00:09:01] Sometimes we got them week back to back, you know.

[00:09:04] You guys are on Spotify and I really think there's a lot of good camaraderie because it always goes back to, oh, I saw this on an Antenna channel days or I saw this on at a drive-in.

[00:09:15] Yeah, there's a lot.

[00:09:16] You know, it's cool because there is a lot of...

[00:09:19] There's a lot of those channels now, like you said, Antenna.

[00:09:23] Like, we had Robert F. Lyons on recently.

[00:09:25] He was in Death Wish 2 and he was also in Murphy's Law.

[00:09:29] But he's, you know, he was in a billion television shows.

[00:09:33] Lovely character actor.

[00:09:34] Right.

[00:09:35] And so, yeah, you talk about Antenna TV, Get TV, MeTV.

[00:09:40] Like, a lot of the side characters, as well as Charles Bronson, you know, pop up on those channels.

[00:09:46] So, yeah, we're having a lot of fun.

[00:09:48] Fox Movies is pretty good.

[00:09:50] Yeah.

[00:09:51] So, the program's pretty...

[00:09:52] Take it off.

[00:09:52] We just had our biggest guest yet, I think, which was Lindsay Ireland, who is Jill Ireland's niece.

[00:09:59] Wow.

[00:09:59] Who spent her summers with Charles Bronson and her cousins and Jill Ireland.

[00:10:04] So, we actually had a family member who knew Charles Bronson and Jill Ireland very well.

[00:10:11] And that was just amazing.

[00:10:13] She wrote a book called Why Not May, which she had some childhood disease that she battled.

[00:10:19] You know, she had her own parents and everything, but her aunt Jill was a big part of her life, as was her uncle Charles Bronson.

[00:10:26] So, it was exciting.

[00:10:27] We got to...

[00:10:28] I mean, that really legitimizes us right there.

[00:10:32] Having a...

[00:10:33] And classed...

[00:10:33] She classed the joint up a bit, too.

[00:10:35] Because if you know Jill, like, she's a...

[00:10:37] Lindsay Ireland is from Canada, but she looks a lot like Jill.

[00:10:42] She's a very...

[00:10:43] She's a very classy, very, really cool lady.

[00:10:46] And, I mean, yeah.

[00:10:49] It was a lot of fun.

[00:10:52] Sweet.

[00:10:53] I...

[00:10:54] Mm-hmm.

[00:10:54] You know, you guys have...

[00:10:57] I think, aside from personalizing the movies, like, it was cool hearing you talk about, you know, Boothill, as well as what a personal connection, the evil that men do had for several generations.

[00:11:07] But, yeah, you always kind of put Bronson front and center.

[00:11:11] It's like, we're decrypting the man.

[00:11:13] You know, we've known he...

[00:11:14] He was the typical...

[00:11:15] It is always so funny how, for a while, anyone who played a villain in a movie was actually a pretty nice guy.

[00:11:24] And the leads, who were romantic, didn't get along behind the scenes.

[00:11:28] Like, those are pretty common behind-the-scenes real-life tropes.

[00:11:32] Bronson is kind of one of the many who just, prior to the Denzels and Liam Neesons of the world, is just like, yeah, I'm a cool guy behind the scenes.

[00:11:41] And I happen to be the anti-hero slash badass hero.

[00:11:44] You know?

[00:11:45] Yeah, he was kind of a mystery to people, and I think he still is.

[00:11:49] And I think that's what makes the podcast interesting.

[00:11:52] And if you notice, it's funny.

[00:11:54] I just realized this.

[00:11:55] But three years we've been around, and we've not done Death Wish 3 yet.

[00:12:00] And I think the reason why that is is because I want it to be different.

[00:12:05] And it's not that I don't love that.

[00:12:07] Many have covered it, in all fairness.

[00:12:09] Yeah, it's been covered by a lot of people, and it's kind of a joke to people.

[00:12:13] And although, I mean, I do want our show to be entertaining, and I do want it to be funny because I do stand-up comedy.

[00:12:19] I don't want to come off as some smug hipster that's just making fun of it.

[00:12:25] Like, I was listening to a...

[00:12:27] Or, this is cool, man, even though I've never actually seen it until now.

[00:12:31] Yeah, like, I listen to a podcast, and I don't remember the name.

[00:12:35] And even if I did remember the name, I wouldn't call them out.

[00:12:38] But it was...

[00:12:39] They were doing it in one of the American Ninja movies, which I'm also a big fan of.

[00:12:44] And they called...

[00:12:45] They referred to Steve James as the black guy from American Ninja.

[00:12:49] Oh, for God's sakes.

[00:12:50] And I was just like, no.

[00:12:51] I was like, no.

[00:12:53] This is...

[00:12:53] That's uncalled for.

[00:12:54] I love...

[00:12:57] I love listening to amateur podcasts.

[00:13:00] I consider myself an amateur still, even though we've been doing it for a while.

[00:13:04] That's working towards...

[00:13:06] You guys are definitely one of the top-rated Bronson podcasts.

[00:13:09] But I know what you mean.

[00:13:10] It's like, everyone wants instant stardom, but then you see other people.

[00:13:14] Like, I saw one podcast, group of podcasters.

[00:13:17] I like them otherwise, but they were making a snarky remark.

[00:13:20] Oh, I don't get the point of trigger warnings.

[00:13:22] It's like, well, the whole point is to avoid people getting offended.

[00:13:27] Right.

[00:13:28] Hey, I'm talking about a movie that's got some chaotic and traumatic stuff.

[00:13:31] If you're a more sensitive crowd, you might not want to listen to this R-rated movie discussion.

[00:13:36] Cool?

[00:13:36] That was kind of like the idea, too.

[00:13:40] When I first came up with the idea of This Week in Charles Bronson, I love talking about news and pop culture and music and all that.

[00:13:46] But the only thing I really knew a lot about was Charles Bronson.

[00:13:49] So I kind of came up with the idea of like, all right, we'll watch a movie, but we'll also take the date it was released, see what was on TV, see what records were out.

[00:13:58] That way we talk about that stuff.

[00:14:00] And then we go and we look at the actors, directors, and we go down rabbit holes with that.

[00:14:07] But another thing I thought would be fun about it is because I do stand-up comedy, it would be fun to bring younger people on that didn't grow up in the 80s and don't remember that kind of Reagan era, eye for an eye, kind of like-

[00:14:23] Rambo.

[00:14:24] Anti-crime.

[00:14:25] Like, yeah, sensibility that a lot of people had.

[00:14:29] And of course, I was a kid.

[00:14:31] Now I'm older.

[00:14:32] Of course, I realize that vigilante justice is not the way things should be.

[00:14:38] But when you watch a movie, back then you watched a movie, like really there was no-

[00:14:43] And there's a lot of problematic things in early Charles Bronson, in all Charles-

[00:14:48] That's kind of what's just bizarre about it.

[00:14:50] Like, he would be, you know, as a disclaimer, saying, hey, I'm not too crazy about those movies either.

[00:14:55] But it was kind of like even when Roger Corman had a B-movie he wasn't crazy about or Harrison Ford, you know, disowned a role.

[00:15:02] It was like, he's-

[00:15:04] It seemed like those rare milestones where audiences weren't affected.

[00:15:08] They were able to somehow separate and just go, okay, sorry you didn't like working on it or don't-

[00:15:14] Doesn't mean anything to you, but I still want your autograph for this movie because you're really good in it.

[00:15:18] You know, and like you say, you're going to always have vigilante justice.

[00:15:21] You know, you can-

[00:15:23] Either political crowd can watch something like Dirty Harry or a TV show like Person of Interest or 24 and just put it aside and just be like, hey, it's still escapism.

[00:15:33] It's not-

[00:15:33] It's not like it has an agenda saying you need to be like this hero.

[00:15:37] It's just, hey, that character happens to be a vigilante.

[00:15:40] That's-

[00:15:40] That's the deal and go-

[00:15:42] Go from there.

[00:15:42] And I feel like that's the truth, but for some reason with Bronson, I feel like he gets the brunt of the-

[00:15:54] He was kind of the unofficial face.

[00:15:56] Backlash.

[00:15:56] Yeah.

[00:15:57] The backlash from the critics and everything.

[00:15:59] Like, I've read-

[00:16:01] Somebody recently shared a review of Death Hunt on our Facebook page from 1983, and the critic said-

[00:16:15] And first of all, the critic was talking about how awfully violent the movie was, but then he became incredibly violent,

[00:16:23] saying that Charles Bronson fans probably go home and beat their wives and their children.

[00:16:30] Oh, my word.

[00:16:31] Yeah.

[00:16:31] And I think my podcast and our podcast community, as well as other podcasts, like Hard Times on Films, and I'm sure their social media presence,

[00:16:42] it shows people from all walks of life, with all different political and social values and ethics, and there's a lot of successful people, a lot of kind people.

[00:17:01] We have a lot of people that, I mean, I work, not right now, but I mean, I work in a field, like in a social work type of field,

[00:17:09] and I also like to help people, and we have teachers.

[00:17:13] It's like people can't separate.

[00:17:14] We have a lot of really good people in our community, you know, and a lot of smart people.

[00:17:20] So it's kind of funny that Bronson and his fans got that label on them, you know, back then.

[00:17:31] And now, you know, I think people understand, I think a little better that obviously it's art, and it's, you know, something that, you know,

[00:17:41] I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm not going to say that I don't laugh a little bit at Death Wish 5 or Death Wish 4.

[00:17:47] You know, I mean, there's parts that are just so ridiculous.

[00:17:50] I mean, or Kenjite, the Forbidden Subjects.

[00:17:54] I mean, there's shit that's ridiculous in those movies.

[00:17:59] So, but yeah, I thought it would be funny to get people that really didn't grow up with that kind of,

[00:18:08] would that be an acceptable in a film?

[00:18:11] You know, like there's, you know.

[00:18:13] Even when they're edited on AMC, it's like, in fact, I think, I recommend many people,

[00:18:19] if you're going to watch some of these movies, watch them on regular TV where there is nothing else to reference.

[00:18:24] And so you can at least get a sense of what the movie's going for versus I'm not sure what this is about.

[00:18:31] You know?

[00:18:32] Yeah.

[00:18:32] Because then sometimes when you take the shocking elements out, but still have most of the movie playing,

[00:18:38] you know, it is interesting how that can change a bit too.

[00:18:42] It's like, okay.

[00:18:43] My favorite scene in Death Wish 3, as crazy as that movie is,

[00:18:48] my favorite scene is simply when he comes, he's having dinner with the Jewish family downstairs.

[00:18:57] Now their name escapes me and I should come right off the top of my tongue.

[00:19:01] But he goes downstairs and two guys are breaking into his car and he says,

[00:19:08] what's the problem here?

[00:19:09] And they say, we're breaking into, we're, I don't know, stealing his car.

[00:19:14] What's it to you?

[00:19:15] So it's my car.

[00:19:16] Yeah, it's so wacky.

[00:19:17] And they're like, well, you have to die.

[00:19:19] And he just blows them away.

[00:19:21] Like, I can just see a 24-year-old watching that and being like, oh my God.

[00:19:27] That's just, couldn't he have talked?

[00:19:30] And even me, like I would have been like, okay, well, please don't steal my car.

[00:19:33] But I just love that.

[00:19:34] He blows the guy up with a bazooka.

[00:19:37] He runs around the street with a machine gun.

[00:19:39] But that's my favorite part because he just does it and goes back.

[00:19:44] Like, it's just, I mean, it's, it's, it's a little ridiculous, a little far-fetched, you know?

[00:19:50] So.

[00:19:51] Yeah.

[00:19:51] But, but I love that.

[00:19:53] I love that shit.

[00:19:54] Just, I mean, I was, I've been obsessed with Charles Bronson.

[00:19:57] So that was about, you know, memory often is wrong.

[00:20:03] I've been, I've been saying 12, but more recently I've been doing the math.

[00:20:08] And I think it was more like 13 or 14.

[00:20:09] But either way, I've been in a Charles Bronson.

[00:20:11] I know I was too young to be watching a lot of those movies.

[00:20:15] And I know my parents were freaked out a little bit.

[00:20:20] Yeah.

[00:20:21] I mean, it was even funnier seeing.

[00:20:25] For my generation, just seeing people who were in the video game generation, maybe watching R-rated movies.

[00:20:30] And to them, again, they technically shouldn't be watching it at that age.

[00:20:34] But to them, it was just as over the top and outlandish as like a video game like Grand Theft Auto.

[00:20:38] So they were fine with it.

[00:20:40] And I mean, video games is also a good contrast as people still like doing the whole never proven theory of, oh, I must inspire people to be psychopaths.

[00:20:51] Oh, they like playing violence.

[00:20:52] It's like, it's not like they're getting off on it.

[00:20:54] And it's really only a problem if they get ideas, you know?

[00:21:00] I listened to one of your episodes and it was about video games.

[00:21:05] I thought it was going to be about the movies.

[00:21:08] But when I put it on, it was about it.

[00:21:10] And I thought, well, that's interesting.

[00:21:11] That's something.

[00:21:13] And I like that.

[00:21:14] I like when things are a little different.

[00:21:15] You know, I'm not a big video game guy.

[00:21:20] But if you want, here's a very interesting fact that I learned from, I believe, a podcast called Exploding Helicopter.

[00:21:29] Are you familiar with them?

[00:21:30] Yes, absolutely.

[00:21:31] I've talked to them a few times and many of those action sites.

[00:21:34] They're all very neat people.

[00:21:36] And I think they're giving a good voice in that they are also reminding you, hey, you know, not just because these movies we're reviewing are made for TV or direct-to-video doesn't necessarily mean that, like, they're bad.

[00:21:51] Right.

[00:21:52] Yeah, I like them because they, again, the word of informative and entertaining.

[00:21:58] The movies are often what people would call bad movies, but I feel like they have a real high respect for them.

[00:22:08] And they know a lot about the directors and all.

[00:22:10] Oh, absolutely.

[00:22:11] There are so many franchises I've thought long and hard about.

[00:22:16] It took me a few years to say, you know what?

[00:22:18] Fine.

[00:22:18] I'll finally give it a try.

[00:22:20] But then there were other ones where I'm like, I'm not in the right frame of mind.

[00:22:24] I'm not the audience.

[00:22:25] I don't feel like I can be constructive with this versus this was bad, but I had fun watching it.

[00:22:31] You know, it's just like.

[00:22:33] I have a hard time calling a movie bad because I feel like a lot of work goes into a film, you know?

[00:22:40] So I always try to see the good in it or what I, what, like something to, something to like about it or to appreciate about the work that was put into it.

[00:22:52] Yeah.

[00:22:52] I have fun looking up rare TV trailers and promos.

[00:22:57] And I try to look for those the most, especially TV spots for a movie.

[00:23:00] Because I want everyone to get the general idea of like, this is what people saw when they were watching the Super Bowl and this came out, you know, next week.

[00:23:10] Let me, let me tell you this before we get too far off topic.

[00:23:13] So what I, the video game thing I learned on their program.

[00:23:17] So Michael Dudikoff made a film called Soldier Boys.

[00:23:20] Are you familiar?

[00:23:20] Yes, he did.

[00:23:21] I, I always wondered where that video game was, but yeah, it was like, Kerry Tagawa was the bad guy.

[00:23:27] Do you know who was a director on that video game, which I didn't know video games had directors.

[00:23:34] I actually don't know.

[00:23:36] I'm sure.

[00:23:37] Oscar, Oscar nominated and possibly winner.

[00:23:41] Is he a winner?

[00:23:42] Let me see.

[00:23:45] Darren Aronofsky.

[00:23:47] Who made, who made Requiem for a Dream.

[00:23:52] No.

[00:23:53] I believe he made The Wrestler.

[00:23:55] Yes.

[00:23:55] Yes.

[00:23:56] He, I guess he, he, he actually, and he worked on the film too, I believe.

[00:24:01] Steve as.

[00:24:02] Oh, I see it now.

[00:24:04] Wow.

[00:24:04] Oh, he was one of the directors.

[00:24:06] Okay.

[00:24:06] But see, if you don't have it, if you don't take an interest and see, like right now we're

[00:24:11] not talking about Charles Bonson, but it doesn't matter because Charles Bonson was the springboard

[00:24:17] for this, these, for conversation about things that I, that I, and a lot of people find important.

[00:24:25] And if you don't go down these rabbit holes, you don't learn this type of stuff.

[00:24:29] And I think it's, I think it's neat as hell.

[00:24:31] And I think like guys like you and Fan of Check is another one I like.

[00:24:35] Like I have a handful of programs that I like to listen to and, and then I leave a lot of them alone.

[00:24:41] You know what I mean?

[00:24:43] I, I, I, I, um, I don't want to mention anybody, but there's been times where I was like, oh, this

[00:24:48] one does say this and this, this type of movie I like.

[00:24:51] Oh, I'll be okay.

[00:24:52] I'll give you an example.

[00:24:53] Horror movies.

[00:24:54] Love horror movies.

[00:24:55] I love them.

[00:24:57] There's just like horror movies.

[00:24:59] There's, there's too many bad horror movies and there's too many hard.

[00:25:04] There's so many horror podcasts that it's hard to find which ones.

[00:25:09] It's very hard to separate it all.

[00:25:11] Yeah.

[00:25:11] It's like, okay.

[00:25:13] And some people don't like to get, take a stance.

[00:25:16] And it was like, well, it's your opinion.

[00:25:19] Take, plant your flag.

[00:25:20] Just say not my cup of tea or not my favorite sub genre.

[00:25:26] So I'm not the audience for this, you know?

[00:25:29] Yeah.

[00:25:30] It doesn't, there's only encouraging toxicity.

[00:25:32] If you just say, well, I might offend someone.

[00:25:35] It's like, well, only if you don't state it very well.

[00:25:38] Yeah.

[00:25:38] I just think, I think with podcasting, I think there's, there's, it is, even though it's been

[00:25:49] around for a while now, still kind of in its early stages.

[00:25:53] And I know a lot of celebrities and stuff are getting involved, but I really prefer to listen

[00:25:59] to people like on our, our level, because I think it's awesome that we can, we have this

[00:26:07] platform for us to ship.

[00:26:10] Make use of it.

[00:26:11] Yeah.

[00:26:11] To me.

[00:26:11] Yeah.

[00:26:12] So, but when I see people just kind of go on there and like, just to make fun of movies

[00:26:18] or just like the, or, or they go, or they come unprepared, which don't get me wrong.

[00:26:23] I've been plenty of times where I've, where I've been on there talking about something and

[00:26:28] then totally forgot the name of a director.

[00:26:30] Totally forgot.

[00:26:31] Just don't get me wrong.

[00:26:32] Something else besides state the IMDb interview.

[00:26:34] Yeah.

[00:26:35] I do things wrong and I've said things wrong, but I mean, I've just, I've listened to some

[00:26:40] where they just, they don't, they don't, they just want to talk about what they saw and kind

[00:26:46] of like make fun of it or, or just be silly about it, you know?

[00:26:52] And I really, I like education.

[00:26:53] I love, I think there's so much can be learned from.

[00:26:57] Especially if you get some of those film historians on, you know, and you, you've had your share,

[00:27:02] but I'm like.

[00:27:02] Oh yeah.

[00:27:03] I love having those guys on people like Paul Talbot, um, Burt Kearns.

[00:27:10] Troy Sowers is another one.

[00:27:11] He's done all kinds of stuff.

[00:27:13] And I, I just, I had to see Courtney Joyner who used to work for full moon on and, you

[00:27:18] know, he's done, he's been lately, he's been doing various DVD commentaries.

[00:27:23] I'm like, see, you found your bread and butter that speaks to you.

[00:27:27] That's a good Paul.

[00:27:28] Yeah.

[00:27:28] Paul Talbot's involved with a lot of those.

[00:27:30] He's, he was on our show a couple of times.

[00:27:32] If you really want to be really educated on Charles Bronson, you pick up every book that

[00:27:39] he wrote, that man is, he's, he's, he is the expert.

[00:27:44] He is our, he is like our God, you know what I mean?

[00:27:47] But, um, but yeah, that DVD commentary, that's a, that's the way that's a, you can make a lot

[00:27:54] of money.

[00:27:54] Well, I don't know if you can make a lot of money.

[00:27:56] I never asked him how much money you make money doing that, obviously, because I think,

[00:28:01] I think a lot of people want to know about what happened in the movie and all that.

[00:28:06] And I think, but, but, but not everybody reads, you know, I love to read for me.

[00:28:11] I thought, Oh, DVD commentary.

[00:28:14] Who the hell wants to listen to commentary when I watch a movie?

[00:28:17] And I, it wasn't until Paul Talbot that I was like, Oh, okay, this is awesome.

[00:28:21] Like, it also depends on who's talking.

[00:28:23] Like there have, it depends on the movie.

[00:28:26] There have been some where I'm like, Hey, I I'll listen to your five second snippet and

[00:28:31] I'll listen to the, like Jim Minorski.

[00:28:34] I always listen to his movie commentaries.

[00:28:36] Sometimes it's better than the actual movie just cause he makes fun of himself and he,

[00:28:42] it's almost like an unofficial mystery science theater.

[00:28:44] But then, yeah, there are other ones where I'm like, that's some cool trivia, but I would

[00:28:49] have rather just, I would have rather it been like AMC story notes.

[00:28:53] Where the little trivia pops up in the corner.

[00:28:55] Right.

[00:28:56] See with Paul, um, and he's the only one I really listened to commentary wise.

[00:29:01] He, he will not do, if they ask him to do a movie, uh, a Bronson movie, if he doesn't

[00:29:08] have the research done or the time to do the proper research or, or, or the interest in

[00:29:15] that particular film, he won't do it.

[00:29:17] He'll turn it down.

[00:29:17] Yeah.

[00:29:18] Because he wants, he wants to give you, he wants every mugger, every trash can on the

[00:29:27] corner, like what the trash company going by or whatever.

[00:29:30] He wants to give you every bit of information.

[00:29:32] So it's like, it's different.

[00:29:34] There's a difference between listening to him and listening to like the actors, like

[00:29:39] make jokes about, you know.

[00:29:43] It's gotta be the right crowd.

[00:29:44] Cause like I said, it can't be cynical and there, trust me, there's been plenty of podcasts

[00:29:49] that I just stopped listening to just cause they weren't consistent.

[00:29:53] They kept getting extra snobby.

[00:29:57] I'm like, Hey, you know, talking shit is one thing, but, uh, instigating a problem.

[00:30:05] That's really not a problem.

[00:30:06] It's just asking for more trouble.

[00:30:07] I'm like, who are you even talking to?

[00:30:10] Just say, it's not for me.

[00:30:12] Instead of acting like these people are wrong and they're stupid.

[00:30:15] I'm like, okay, come on.

[00:30:18] I like that.

[00:30:18] You mentioned Jim was Norski because of him and Fred all and Ray are like geniuses in my,

[00:30:24] in my eyes.

[00:30:25] Like those two guys.

[00:30:26] I mean, they went to Roger Corman school.

[00:30:28] Well, they're, they know exactly what they're doing.

[00:30:30] Sometimes they're not consistent at conventions and everything, but to be fair, a lot of conventions

[00:30:35] really aren't very consistent.

[00:30:37] So, yeah, I met Fred all and Ray a couple of times and he was a really cool dude.

[00:30:43] Yeah.

[00:30:45] Um, chiller theater convention before blew up.

[00:30:48] Like it was a, it was a lot of fun to go to.

[00:30:50] You see him, Linnea, Quig, Leem.

[00:30:54] Nice.

[00:30:57] Sounds like a hell of a fun time.

[00:31:01] And, uh, when you say big, they get huge celebrities and it's like,

[00:31:11] a hundred dollars and it's, and you got to wait in a line.

[00:31:14] I'm like, nah, it's not fun.

[00:31:15] I used to like to just walk around and just look, glance over and go, oh shit.

[00:31:20] Look at the chainsaw from summer school and just walk over and start talking to them.

[00:31:25] You know what I mean?

[00:31:26] Uh, yeah.

[00:31:27] I, unfortunately there, there were some podcast, uh, not podcast, uh, panels and conventions

[00:31:33] in my town.

[00:31:34] And there were times where it was like, I wanted to go, but then when they started doing

[00:31:36] the VIP lines, it's like, okay, I want to actually interact.

[00:31:40] I don't want to wait an hour just to get an autograph and not even be able to talk to

[00:31:44] the celeb.

[00:31:45] And I get it.

[00:31:46] They probably don't have control on it.

[00:31:48] It's probably their agent or they just want to be in and out and have guaranteed business.

[00:31:52] I don't know what the issue is, but I get it.

[00:31:54] I also don't have a lot of interest in real big celebrities either.

[00:31:58] Like I'm more interested in smaller level, like character actors and, um, you know, like

[00:32:08] fan, you know, fan of check.

[00:32:09] It's gotta just jive.

[00:32:10] It's really gotta.

[00:32:11] Yeah.

[00:32:12] Like somebody, like somebody who's, I feel like the people that we speak to have such great

[00:32:21] stories and such great careers.

[00:32:23] Like Juan Fernandez, you know, who worked with James Woods and Salvador and, and, and,

[00:32:29] and was a model for, um, Salvador Dali and all this stuff.

[00:32:34] And who has directed his own films.

[00:32:36] You know, he's probably outside of the Dominican Republic.

[00:32:40] Like there's nobody in not many people in America knock on his door.

[00:32:43] And I think people like him are sitting there waiting for people to, to say, Hey, we'd like

[00:32:49] to talk to you, you know?

[00:32:50] And, and, and when, and you get them on Robert F.

[00:32:53] Lyons, I mean, the guy's 80, 83, I think he is.

[00:32:58] And, you know, I mean, he's, I mean, he's got a lot of energy, man.

[00:33:02] I'll tell you that for an 83 year old.

[00:33:03] Now, where are you, where are you from?

[00:33:04] Cam?

[00:33:05] I'm in Dallas.

[00:33:06] Uh, how about yourself?

[00:33:07] I know you've mentioned a few times.

[00:33:08] Oh, I'm in the, I'm in the, in the suburbs of Philadelphia.

[00:33:12] I'm on the other side of the country.

[00:33:14] Yeah.

[00:33:17] Uh, I mean, unfortunately, not only have you been able to get a lot of these cult actors,

[00:33:24] but I mean, when you find someone who's just a legit storyteller, I think that's what makes

[00:33:30] it even more.

[00:33:31] Yeah.

[00:33:32] Legit.

[00:33:32] A lot of them and a lot of them are, you know, because I mean, they're in a, they're

[00:33:37] in a industry where they have storytelling and nothing got mistranslated by a publicist

[00:33:44] going off of a, you know, rumors they were hearing just in time for entertainment weekly.

[00:33:49] It is all like, it's all so closed off and it's by a lot of the people who lived it.

[00:33:55] And it's not in many ways, podcasts have also, and I mean, I've been a film history book guy

[00:34:03] like all my life.

[00:34:05] Like that's how I found all the hidden gems and everything, but also just developed my

[00:34:09] own, what I, okay, this is what's considered objectively good.

[00:34:13] Here's my view on this material.

[00:34:15] And then blogs were the next best thing.

[00:34:18] And then when podcasts slowly emerged, you know, I was like, okay, people have a voice

[00:34:22] now, but like, I have learned so much endless trivia that again, you are not going

[00:34:25] to find on Wikipedia or IMDb.

[00:34:27] And I think that's why you unfortunately picked a great one in that, that people know a lot

[00:34:34] of cool facts about Bronson.

[00:34:36] But like, even when we did a tribute to him about a few years back, we still was like,

[00:34:40] I had no idea about that.

[00:34:41] I thought I knew this about it.

[00:34:42] You know, there is always an emerging secret and it's a lot of things, a lot of things

[00:34:47] too, or, are just being discovered.

[00:34:50] Or, you know, like I remember when I was a kid, I would, he would seem like such a mystery,

[00:34:57] but I would search for every book and every magazine and everything I could.

[00:35:02] And then the internet came out and I, you know, and I thought, wow, this is great.

[00:35:07] This internet thing.

[00:35:08] But I swear, I swear like IMDb and Wikipedia, when it comes to like Bronson or anybody like

[00:35:17] kind of like from back in the day or, but you know, before a certain time period, they're

[00:35:23] really not that.

[00:35:24] You don't get a lot from that.

[00:35:26] You get, you learn a lot from starting a Facebook page, you know, and, and talk and talking to

[00:35:33] other fans and people who've, who like, you know, you remember an interview or found an

[00:35:39] interview on YouTube.

[00:35:41] Like I, I grew, I wound up finding out in the last three years of doing this podcast that

[00:35:45] a lot of the things that I thought I knew about him may, may or may not have been true.

[00:35:51] They might've been falsehoods, you know, that were exaggerations.

[00:35:55] And, and from what I've read, some of those exaggerations are from him.

[00:36:00] Like he, he was tended to exaggerate a little bit.

[00:36:03] It's half true.

[00:36:04] Yeah.

[00:36:05] You're going to get those unfortunately.

[00:36:07] And when you're talking about facts, like when you're talking about, or trying to find

[00:36:12] the truth, that's a, that's a blurry, it's, it's, it's a, that's a blurred line when in,

[00:36:18] in, in pop culture, because you talk to this actress who said he was funny and kind.

[00:36:25] And then you talk to this actor who said he was a jerk and you realize that.

[00:36:30] And then you talk to some people that have a memory that you just know is not true.

[00:36:38] Um, and you're, and that's a, that's a whole other story, but, uh.

[00:36:42] It's just a reminder is like, I mean, we're still having to have these conversations.

[00:36:46] Like, okay, like that's good journalism versus, okay, that's clickbait.

[00:36:51] And just because it's a more respectable site doesn't mean BS doesn't flow through once in

[00:36:55] a while.

[00:36:56] You're like.

[00:36:56] Right.

[00:36:57] Because people's memories are not.

[00:37:00] Man, people's memories are not foolproof.

[00:37:03] I mean, I had to do this with celebs that got in trouble is like, okay, I've heard it

[00:37:07] more than five times.

[00:37:08] And it came from some, you know, like, cause I've done extra work.

[00:37:11] I've been on film sets.

[00:37:12] I've done assistant stuff is like, okay, yes, this can be a temperamental thing, but

[00:37:18] that doesn't necessarily mean this person's a jerk.

[00:37:20] Uh, like if it's come from someone other than like makeup, then I need to hear about that.

[00:37:27] Cause that's a big, big allegation, you know, versus this person just happened to be late.

[00:37:32] It's like, okay, so they screwed up, but that's a big difference from, you know, like I slapped

[00:37:39] someone on the butt or kept making them very uncomfortable.

[00:37:44] You know?

[00:37:45] Yeah.

[00:37:45] There's people, yeah.

[00:37:46] Memory and whisper down the lane.

[00:37:49] Like.

[00:37:49] It was like, okay.

[00:37:50] You know, like, and I get it.

[00:37:52] Some stuff that there, there, it's just like any work industry.

[00:37:55] There, there's plenty of jobs where bosses are still yelling at people.

[00:38:00] And it's just like, okay, well.

[00:38:04] You can technically get away with that, but it gets to, if it gets to the point where it's

[00:38:08] like, you're fearful, like you're about to have a stroke, then yeah, you might want to

[00:38:11] press some kind of charge of this guy.

[00:38:14] But, and film, same kind of deal.

[00:38:17] There are people who do stuff they shouldn't be doing, but until you actually report it,

[00:38:22] you know, it's not going to get dealt with.

[00:38:25] Right.

[00:38:25] And I'm not even just talking about that.

[00:38:27] I'm talking about like, I actually, we had a guest who actually had a story in his book

[00:38:35] and he told it on our show.

[00:38:40] That is not true about Bronson, but I don't think that he made it up.

[00:38:46] I really think he's confusing Bronson with somebody else.

[00:38:50] And it wasn't a bad story about Bronson.

[00:38:52] It was about, it was, it was a, it was, it was a story about one of his sons committing suicide.

[00:39:02] Um, now he had a stepson who died of a drug overdose, but he seemed to recollect Charles

[00:39:11] Bronson have a son who killed himself.

[00:39:13] And I couldn't find this story anywhere.

[00:39:17] And the way the story, the way the story went was, you know, I don't want to go into it too deep

[00:39:23] because it's a falsehood, but, but, but I can tell by talking to the guy and the fact that he

[00:39:28] put it in his book that he thought it was, that he really did think this happened.

[00:39:33] But I think at 80 something, and it wasn't Robert F. Lyons, but I think at 80 something, this gentleman

[00:39:42] confused Charles Bronson's stepson dying of a drug overdose.

[00:39:48] And the story of the Von Erichs wrestling family got them confused.

[00:39:54] And it, the story is straight out of the Von Erichs story.

[00:40:00] I don't know if you're a wrestling fan or not, but it was the, and I'm like, and I don't,

[00:40:05] I know the man would not lie on purpose.

[00:40:07] I, it, and I didn't know how, I, we just didn't know.

[00:40:12] We were so, we just didn't know how to bring it up, you know?

[00:40:17] And I, and I, I wanted to ask Lindsay about it when she, I had her on, but I just, I really

[00:40:21] never wanted to talk about it again.

[00:40:23] But I, I really don't think that this actor is at 85 or 86 is, is, is, is, is tuning into

[00:40:33] no, no, no, nothing personal against your podcast.

[00:40:36] I don't think he's, he's, he's, I don't think he's going to be listening to this, but yeah.

[00:40:42] So that's what I mean.

[00:40:43] When you're in the, in that search for the truth, you got to take, you, you, you can only

[00:40:49] find the best, you can only, you can only do, you can only find the best version of the

[00:40:57] truth that you can.

[00:40:58] You know what I mean?

[00:40:59] Like Hollywood, pop culture, the, the, the truth and the legend, they get blurred over

[00:41:07] the years to the point, to the point where, you know, you, you really, even, even a star

[00:41:13] for star writes their own biography, you can't trust their memory.

[00:41:19] And you also can't trust that they're necessarily telling the truth.

[00:41:23] You know what I mean?

[00:41:24] And just cause it's repeated a bunch of times doesn't necessarily make it true.

[00:41:27] I mean, and vice versa is like, okay, maybe that's not the story, but there's some kind

[00:41:34] of problem that, you know, until we get a proper deal on it.

[00:41:39] And don't get me wrong.

[00:41:40] There's been plenty of other people who were like, were liking a bitter divorce and they

[00:41:45] said hurtful things about each other.

[00:41:46] It's like, good grief.

[00:41:47] Do you know how inconsiderate that is?

[00:41:49] Now you're causing all kinds of other clickbait to, and rumors to stir up.

[00:41:54] Right.

[00:41:55] And that's what I like about my, my program is I take it, I take it.

[00:41:58] I'm, I'm a fan first.

[00:42:03] Um, I'm not perfect.

[00:42:05] I try to find out the interesting things about the people in the movie behind the scenes,

[00:42:13] this and that.

[00:42:14] But if you want real, real research, like you got it, man, you got to read guys like Paul

[00:42:21] Talbot, Mike Malloy, Burt Kearns, Dwayne Epstein, these guys do research.

[00:42:26] And even then, when you read in their books, like I'm, I'm reading Bert's new book.

[00:42:32] He sent me the, the, I don't even know what it's called.

[00:42:35] It's called something before the book comes out.

[00:42:38] He sent me the, uh, you know, the thing to read.

[00:42:41] Yeah.

[00:42:42] Rough draft.

[00:42:43] And, you know, the stories in the book are conflicting.

[00:42:47] This cousin says in 1914, cause it's about Shemp from the three stooges, yada, yada.

[00:42:53] But then that, that, um, clashes with this story that happened 20 years later with this

[00:43:01] cousin.

[00:43:02] So yeah, it's, it's, uh, it's, it's, it's, it's a fun world to, to try to, um, navigate,

[00:43:12] you know, the world of pop culture and film, but I think because we want to entertain, but

[00:43:18] we also want to educate people so that these names stay alive.

[00:43:24] I feel like there's a responsibility to try to at least come as close to the truth as we,

[00:43:30] as we can find, you know, but.

[00:43:32] Absolutely.

[00:43:33] There's a difference from, Hey, the celebs, a little P non PC.

[00:43:37] So I'm going to leave this part of the interview out.

[00:43:39] So nothing gets ruptured versus, Hey, no, this is a key part of information, but for whatever

[00:43:46] reason, just no one's talked about it.

[00:43:47] It really should be talked about because this, this solves a lot of mysteries and I don't

[00:43:55] know.

[00:43:56] I think a lot of favorite things, my favorite things to find out really are like the, like

[00:44:01] that thing about Darren Aronofsky or the actor that, that the, the, the Italian actor who

[00:44:07] was in rider on the rain was married to black Emmanuel.

[00:44:11] How old are you, Cam?

[00:44:12] Am I allowed to ask you?

[00:44:13] Oh yeah.

[00:44:14] I'm in my thirties and I, we, we just did a Emmanuel special and that was fun for a shot.

[00:44:19] So you know who Emmanuel is.

[00:44:20] Okay.

[00:44:20] Right.

[00:44:21] We, we, I'm familiar with many eras and I, but I'm glad you're asking because I see so

[00:44:26] many other people who will ask about different cult movies and everything.

[00:44:29] And you're like, seriously, you know, you, you lose the right to say that's original

[00:44:34] if you don't know what it's inspired by.

[00:44:36] You know?

[00:44:36] Right.

[00:44:37] Right.

[00:44:37] So anyway, this dude was married to black Emmanuel, which was, there was another, there

[00:44:42] was another actress that wasn't, so it was a Sylvia Christo was Emmanuel.

[00:44:47] I think there was a few.

[00:44:47] She was one of the first.

[00:44:48] Yeah.

[00:44:49] But there was one woman who they called black Emmanuel and he was married to her and he

[00:44:55] basically once he met her, married her, he basically was just in her movies and producing

[00:45:00] them and being a, and that's the kind of stuff that I like to learn.

[00:45:04] You know what I mean?

[00:45:05] Like, I don't like, like I, I, we do like to learn about Bronson behind the scenes, you

[00:45:11] know, because it's like with Jan Gamboid, she had a really great relationship with him.

[00:45:16] Seems like he got along well with women and young, younger people.

[00:45:19] Which is so rare.

[00:45:20] Cause to hear about some of these other guys is like, Hey, I don't have to like them as

[00:45:23] a person, but they were kind of a prude or jerk behind the scene.

[00:45:26] You know, and I, I love it when you, we, we also, we find out not only kind of what makes

[00:45:35] made them tick back then is like the minute you, instead of just looking at the resume

[00:45:39] and getting an assumption, like, huh, they only seem to do private eye movies or college

[00:45:45] comedies.

[00:45:46] It's just like, no, there's more to it than that.

[00:45:49] Right.

[00:45:50] Yeah.

[00:45:51] We got, we got a really good, unique look into the man, like from, and it's still, he's

[00:45:57] still a mystery.

[00:45:58] He's still complicated.

[00:45:59] I think talking to Lindsay, you, you get the family aspect of them and you get, you get to

[00:46:05] hear a lot about the playfulness, which we actually did hear about with Jan because he

[00:46:09] was, he had a sense of humor and messed around with her a little, you know, not messed

[00:46:13] around with her, but I mean like, like joked around with her and stuff.

[00:46:16] Yes.

[00:46:17] And, and then you hear like, like Jordan Rhodes who was on, he had a very nice, like rapport

[00:46:25] with him during the Indian runner, but during Mr. Majestic, he said he just, he just kept

[00:46:30] to himself.

[00:46:31] Now other people who worked with him saw that keep it to himself as snobbery or being a jerk.

[00:46:39] So that's, it's every, you're never going to know, like, you're never really going to

[00:46:46] know, like a hundred, you're never going to know anybody a hundred percent because, because

[00:46:52] you just, you get little drips and draps, but I think it's fun.

[00:46:55] It's been a lot of fun doing that, you know, and, and getting to know the people who worked

[00:47:02] with them and, and what their interests are and what they're doing now and how many of

[00:47:07] them are, are, are working and doing really cool things that nobody knows about, you know?

[00:47:14] Yeah.

[00:47:15] Like Jan Gamboid is, you know, coming back, you know, she took a long time off to raise

[00:47:19] a child and now she's, she's came back and she's doing some voiceover stuff.

[00:47:23] And she was on, um, Chippendales, I think on Showtime or Netflix or something.

[00:47:29] I forget.

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[00:48:54] Alan, fortunately, a lot of Bronson's movies are almost always in DVD packs.

[00:48:58] Sony and MGM have redistributed a lot of them.

[00:49:01] And there's no shortage of them on cable and movie channels.

[00:49:06] And I think the nice guy thing kind of, the more people found out about him and he's just one of those, like, it shields him from a lot of things.

[00:49:17] Like, he had enough charisma to where no one ever accused him of being not much of an actor.

[00:49:24] And even though he did have some reasonable range, but it's just interesting also how, yeah, it's like he was kind of just bigger than a lot of his movies.

[00:49:35] So that helped, I think, in terms of, hey, we can separate whatever a filmmaker's agenda is from, hey, this just so happens to be a Canon Films material.

[00:49:46] He didn't always pick the greatest films.

[00:49:49] And I don't think he was treated fairly by the critics at all.

[00:49:54] No.

[00:49:54] I think, you know, I think his work ethic was very blue collar.

[00:49:59] He liked that eight hour work day.

[00:50:01] He took summers off to be with his family.

[00:50:04] His upbringing, you know, in a coal mining town in Pennsylvania, you know, to escape that and to, you know, find a way to make a living for your family.

[00:50:15] And then you find a fan base, you know.

[00:50:18] I mean, he's, he, I'm paraphrasing, paraphrasing?

[00:50:24] No, that's not the, that's not the word.

[00:50:28] Don't, what's the, yeah, it is paraphrasing.

[00:50:30] Who the hell cares?

[00:50:31] Anyway, this isn't, this isn't a direct quote, but he said something like, you know, I don't make films for the critics.

[00:50:37] They don't buy tickets anyhow.

[00:50:39] So, you know, he, he found an audience and he made films for that audience and we love them.

[00:50:45] You know, would I have liked to seen him take bigger chances?

[00:50:52] Like when I hear about some of the films he turned down, I think, oh, that might've been good for him.

[00:50:56] You know, that might've been cool to see.

[00:50:59] But I think if he made different choices, he might not be the cult figure that he is.

[00:51:05] I feel like he's an outsider's outsider.

[00:51:08] I feel like he's punk rock in kind of a way, in a way, in a way that he just like, he, like a lot of his, those films I feel like.

[00:51:16] Like he came out at the right time too.

[00:51:18] Like you come out in the sixties, you're part of these ensembles.

[00:51:22] And then, you know, Death Wish is one of many movies that you do along with your other men on a mission and one man army movies.

[00:51:29] And that's great when you're, you know, there was something for everybody.

[00:51:32] There was Black Exploitation.

[00:51:33] There was, you know, Clint Eastwood, adventure films, and then, you know, just Westerns and all other sorts of stuff.

[00:51:42] And then you get to the eighties and it was like, he survives both Canon and just standalone movies and then finishes it off with those family of cops, nineties films.

[00:51:51] And it's like, see that that's the best because he was able to go through four different generations, basically.

[00:52:03] Yeah.

[00:52:03] I mean, he was around in the fifties, around the whole fifties too.

[00:52:07] 1951 was his first film.

[00:52:08] I would see even the most peaceful people be watching his movies versus the ones who loved over the top.

[00:52:15] Trashy, cheesy B movies.

[00:52:17] So it's like, he was able to be in that kind of oyster.

[00:52:20] And I think kind of like some of these other.

[00:52:23] Yeah.

[00:52:24] Oh, sorry.

[00:52:24] Canon was, is an interesting film company and it was, and it was an interesting time period for him because if it wasn't for Canon films, that his, his career could have gone in a number of directions.

[00:52:38] I think he might've been, he could have either like been forced to go to television earlier or he might've done, or maybe he would've gotten smaller parts and maybe even some bigger movie.

[00:52:50] And, but I think Canon coming along and reviving his, him in this like, like ultra violent.

[00:53:02] Over the top type of movies that, that, that appeal to young people and also appeal to the old heads, like my grandfather and my uncles and stuff who loved them from back in the day.

[00:53:14] I think it like, it just, it's like, it just breathes new life into, into him, but it also flows.

[00:53:22] Like it's like, it's not like, it's not like he like disappeared and then came back and can't, he was, he was, he was the most popular actor in the world.

[00:53:34] And the movie started to like, eh, not do real good in the box office.

[00:53:39] And then Michael Winter comes along and can, and it says, let's do that.

[00:53:42] Let's do a sequel to Death Wish.

[00:53:44] And Winter is a perfect example of a guy who was kind of a jerk offset, but somehow he could get a lot of these movies done.

[00:53:52] And I don't think he ever humiliated anyone personally.

[00:53:54] He was just more of the kind where, uh, just leave him alone.

[00:53:59] And he's, was just kind of always the go-to B movie guy.

[00:54:03] Michael, Michael Winter knew, knew what he would wanted to do.

[00:54:06] And Michael Winter didn't make just B movies.

[00:54:11] I mean, he, Michael Winter is a great director.

[00:54:13] And I think, I think we owe that.

[00:54:15] So the, that stoic kind of quiet hand grenade about the blow version of Charles Bronson that we know of,

[00:54:23] I think was a creation of, of Michael Winter.

[00:54:27] So I think, I, I believe it's, you know, it, it, it began with Chato's land and then, you know,

[00:54:32] you have the mechanic and you get Death Wish one, but then when Death Wish two, when they said, you know,

[00:54:37] let's do Death Wish two, a lot of people that movie down.

[00:54:41] And I'm, I, I, I, I've been known to myself, but lately I've been thinking it's starting to grow on me a little more.

[00:54:49] Like I said, I liked that Michael Winter took ownership of it and said, he just wanted to make,

[00:54:55] he just wanted to make the first one again.

[00:54:57] Like he wanted to just like, in a different location, but this time Charlie got the guys, you know what I mean?

[00:55:03] It's all, you know, it's almost like, I think the reason why the movie turns a lot of people off so much

[00:55:10] is I think, I think we all, I don't care how sick in the head you are.

[00:55:15] I think everybody watches it and goes, God damn, does this daughter really have to get raped again?

[00:55:21] Like, like a couple of times and then murdered and impaled on a, on a fence.

[00:55:27] But other than that, that movie is like, it just, it's such a, it's such a laid back.

[00:55:33] Like, if you, I just, I just recall him having some crazy interviews where it seemed like he was off his rocker, but, but.

[00:55:40] Who, Michael Winter?

[00:55:41] Yeah.

[00:55:42] Yeah.

[00:55:43] Oh yeah.

[00:55:44] Michael Winter is a little bit off of his rocker.

[00:55:46] And the interviews outside, after making that movie, you're probably talking about the one where the feminist

[00:55:53] was, was very, very arrogant to her.

[00:55:57] But I think, I kind of think he had to be, I mean, that movie was, it was exploitive.

[00:56:10] It was trashy, but it was what Michael Winter wanted to make.

[00:56:15] And I believe Michael Winter, I feel like Michael Winter, that movie was a, and Death Wish 3 were both just middle fingers to the critics.

[00:56:24] Like, I think he got a kick out of, out of, I think he knew the response it was going to get.

[00:56:29] I think he got a kick out of it while he was making it.

[00:56:31] And after he got the response, I just think he was, he was a bit of a screwball like that.

[00:56:39] I'll, yeah.

[00:56:41] What would you say?

[00:56:43] What takeaways do you think you remember from these the most, other than pre-fame actors like Christopher Guest,

[00:56:54] Jim Goldblum, Lawrence Fishburne, Victor Argo, Danny Trejo, and more being the various thugs, drug dealers, rapists, and criminals?

[00:57:06] What I think, one thing I, I take away from the Death Wish films is, or not take away from them, but one thing I constantly think of is,

[00:57:15] like, how did this character from the first one, how did it get to, like, where it got, where it, where, where it, where it got to?

[00:57:23] Like, it was like, like, in part one, he's this, he's a, a, a, a, a conscious objector from the Korean War, kind of a pacifist.

[00:57:34] Yeah.

[00:57:35] Who kind of, bleeding heart liberal, they say, and he gets kind of, like, talked into.

[00:57:38] It's kind of, like, almost like a Western, you know, you have.

[00:57:41] To me, he's Pope Idol from French Connection if he were to just be retired and off his rocker.

[00:57:49] Yeah, and then part two, he's like, he, all of a sudden, he looks a bunch, like, like, quite a bit older, and he's, like, wearing the members-only jacket, and he's just trying to live his life when all that crap happens again.

[00:58:04] And he kind of goes right back to the old ways, like, of vigilanteism, like, just like that.

[00:58:10] Like, like, like, like, like, he doesn't even think about it.

[00:58:11] And then by part three, and I had this conversation with Talbot, and Talbot says it was because of the Rambo films.

[00:58:18] Every, every actor had to, had to run around with a machine gun.

[00:58:22] Yeah, it was a bit.

[00:58:23] In that point of the 80s.

[00:58:24] Taylor Street was so over the top that you just, if you look at all of them as just, as five different movies, they're all pretty solid, and they're all a lot of fun.

[00:58:37] And three, four, and five are basically comedies.

[00:58:45] Michael Winters said, he said he made Death Wish 3 as a comedy.

[00:58:48] I think he's, and a guy from, and Alan Goldstein, who directed and wrote Death Wish 5.

[00:58:55] It was either him or Michael Coleri who, who, the story, so Alan Goldstein wrote the screenplay.

[00:59:02] And Michael Coleri came up with a story, but one of those two guys said that Death Wish 5 was a comedy.

[00:59:08] I think that, I think that after the fact, they just said that because they realized how ridiculous the movies were they made.

[00:59:15] But like, I mean, they're working for canon films.

[00:59:18] They're already not being paid the best.

[00:59:20] In a perfect Hollywood world, in a perfect classic movie sense, there should never have been a sequel to Death Wish 1.

[00:59:29] No.

[00:59:29] If you're, and if you're, you know, if you love film, then you, if you're a big film fan, you probably aren't a fan of many sequels.

[00:59:39] But that being said, I'm so glad that they exist because they're so, I mean, Death Wish 3 is probably the one, the one reason why,

[00:59:51] even though not all my friends when I was 14 or 15, maybe not all of them were into Bronson because, like I was, but that movie was in the tide of binds, you know, like everybody wanted to sit down and watch that movie.

[01:00:07] So.

[01:00:07] No, I mean, that's fair enough.

[01:00:08] I mean, I look at it as this premise was too, so much bigger than anyone ever meant for it to be.

[01:00:15] Like, look at it this way.

[01:00:17] Like, Fast and Furious was not meant to go beyond like other than movie free.

[01:00:22] Like in any other franchise, it would have stopped after that.

[01:00:25] And then probably.

[01:00:26] That's the best example.

[01:00:27] Because how did they become bank robbers?

[01:00:30] Oh, look at that in the 13th.

[01:00:32] How did they get by the end of the, by the end of the run?

[01:00:36] How the hell did they become?

[01:00:38] I don't know.

[01:00:39] They were, it became like James Bond.

[01:00:40] Like, I don't know.

[01:00:41] They're in outer space and all kinds of shit.

[01:00:43] Mission Impossible, same deal.

[01:00:45] We just thought, okay, Tom Cruise is going to do one of those crazy movies every three years.

[01:00:49] And then they start having, being way better and getting more ego and people still go to it, even if they don't care for it.

[01:00:56] But I mean, Friday the 13th, I think is also interesting.

[01:01:00] It's like, you start off ripping off Halloween and then the fans made it so much bigger than it already was.

[01:01:07] So then people go for different reasons.

[01:01:10] And I mean, Evil Dead is another fun one where people who love it, hate it, find it so bad it's good or just want an indie B movie.

[01:01:20] It's kind of a similar progression too.

[01:01:24] If you look at Nightmare on Elm Street, Jason, you know, I mean, Friday the 13th, Halloween.

[01:01:33] The Death Wish series.

[01:01:34] Not only do it should work.

[01:01:36] Right.

[01:01:37] So like when you look at those sequels around that same time period, 85, 86, when Death Wish 3 and Death Wish 4 and all that started becoming kind of funny and it started making a little joke.

[01:01:50] It was, you know, it was when like that was the same time period that like all of a sudden Freddie was a comedian.

[01:01:55] You know what I mean?

[01:01:55] Like you watch, you, you, you were actually laughing as much in a, in a Friday the 13th movie as you were screaming.

[01:02:03] You know what I mean?

[01:02:04] Absolutely.

[01:02:06] And there's actually probably power of cinema where you can market it anyway and it'll find a buyer.

[01:02:12] Cause I see, I think Twisters is a good example.

[01:02:16] There were plenty of people who went to it.

[01:02:18] They hadn't even seen the original nineties movie.

[01:02:20] It's a spiritual sequel to it.

[01:02:22] It shouldn't even be working in this day and age.

[01:02:23] My kid, my kid and his friend can't wait to see the Beetlejuice movie.

[01:02:27] They never saw the first one.

[01:02:28] Oh, so there you go.

[01:02:29] I mean, it's kind of like you saw a bit of that probably with the new Terminator movies and the last Blade Runner.

[01:02:35] And I was like, wow, you haven't even seen that one.

[01:02:38] And then you'd see him say, oh, it's too long.

[01:02:40] I'm like, it's literally as long as any other Star Wars.

[01:02:44] A lot of them suck.

[01:02:45] Like the new Ghostbusters, I thought sucked.

[01:02:48] The, the, the ice age or whatever the fuck it was called.

[01:02:51] See, now my Philadelphia is coming out.

[01:02:52] I'm cussing.

[01:02:54] Um, it's all good.

[01:02:55] I just saw Alien Romulus.

[01:02:58] Fun.

[01:02:59] Listen, it was a good time while I was sitting there.

[01:03:01] But when I come, I come home 20 minutes later, I'm like, I don't even remember what it was about.

[01:03:05] Like, it's not, it's not good.

[01:03:07] It's really, they're not good.

[01:03:08] I mean, I know I just said earlier.

[01:03:10] I'm not a fan of any of the ones that have come out.

[01:03:11] I just said earlier that I don't usually like to say that a movie is not good.

[01:03:15] You know, because, because a lot of work goes into it.

[01:03:17] You can't remember it.

[01:03:18] I mean.

[01:03:19] You're just, you're just regurgitating, you know, old storylines.

[01:03:25] I mean, even the characters.

[01:03:27] Like, of course, the mean girl has to wear the, the wife beater like Ripley.

[01:03:32] I'm like, why would she wear the same clothes?

[01:03:34] It was like 3,000 years later, whenever it was supposed to be.

[01:03:37] I don't even know when it's, but that's another thing.

[01:03:38] I have no idea what was going on.

[01:03:40] Yeah.

[01:03:41] I, there's so many sequels that I have hot takes on and it's.

[01:03:46] So, but to make sure that I don't get accidentally labeled as one of those toxic fans or everything.

[01:03:52] I just always.

[01:03:54] Right.

[01:03:54] Right.

[01:03:54] You don't want to be like.

[01:03:56] I say up front is like, I'm, this might do something for you, but here's the thing.

[01:04:00] Like, I like, so death wish, like it's part of, it's a genre movie.

[01:04:07] So it's checking off a lot of the boxes, regardless of whether it's doing it well or not so well.

[01:04:13] I, I find that some movies is like, they didn't even give you the goods, nor did they have any respectable build off.

[01:04:22] And I'm like, at least have some kind of suspense in between all the different double crosses and vigilante killing.

[01:04:28] I need, and I don't know.

[01:04:32] There's other times where people sit, what people find so intriguing.

[01:04:36] I find so bland and vice versa.

[01:04:38] Like I'll find this detail pretty cool.

[01:04:40] And other people are like, Oh, it was so obvious.

[01:04:42] I'm like, yeah, but they've never showed it this way or that way.

[01:04:46] And I think it also depends on how much pulp novels people are familiar with versus, you know, just genres.

[01:04:56] And there's other times where, I mean, Charles Bronson was also coming into that time where he's fortunately, you know, through all those eras.

[01:05:07] Because that's when people are now marketing a movie and saying, you got this star in your movie.

[01:05:13] So you expect this kind of thing.

[01:05:15] And I think he still lives on for people who want to see a crappy trash fest by like an overrated like direct-to-video star or someone like Seagal, who's not a good person and kind of has bland movies.

[01:05:31] But then you see people who are very heavily inspired by Bronson and they want to see like people who are watching stuff by like Dolph Lundgren or Jason Statham.

[01:05:42] They kind of want to see similar stuff.

[01:05:44] And Bronson has a lot of that same juice.

[01:05:46] He has a lot of that same material.

[01:05:47] So it is funny how, you know, it's just.

[01:05:53] Bronson couldn't have even predicted his career.

[01:05:55] He went with the flow.

[01:05:57] So I think it, in a way, you know, some people.

[01:06:03] Kudos to anyone who can make it as a movie star nowadays.

[01:06:06] But I find that if you.

[01:06:09] Bronson had the ability is like, hey, I'm in some memorable TV episodes of like some variety shows and stuff like Twilight Zone.

[01:06:16] Then you're in ensemble movies like Dirty Dozen and Great Escape.

[01:06:22] Your grandparents.

[01:06:23] Well, he also had a, he also had a starring, he was, he starred in three movies in 1958.

[01:06:29] It didn't take off a starring career.

[01:06:32] And they were all B movies like drive-in films.

[01:06:36] But I mean, but that's, I mean, that's an amazing career.

[01:06:39] And let's talk about his name carrying a film.

[01:06:42] When I was a kid, when I got into him at 13 or whatever,

[01:06:45] I remember thinking that Assassination was called Bronson Assassination.

[01:06:51] Because I never, yeah, I never saw the actor's name above the movie like that.

[01:06:57] And I never saw it as big as the name of the movie like that.

[01:07:01] Now, I'm sure Stallone probably had that or somebody.

[01:07:05] With Cobra or whatever.

[01:07:06] I didn't notice it.

[01:07:07] I didn't notice it until then.

[01:07:10] But I do got to get out of here soon.

[01:07:12] Do you have any, did you have any questions?

[01:07:14] So what moments do, would you recommend the most like from these movies?

[01:07:19] Like you can find them anywhere.

[01:07:21] Everyone's got their, like you've said before, everyone's got their own opinion and can watch a million of these.

[01:07:27] But in a way, these are kind of just critic proof, if you will.

[01:07:31] Because they are just, everybody is coming to them for different reasons.

[01:07:36] If you like a gritty, if you like a gritty 70s type film, like where New York City is almost one of the characters, like a Sidney LeVet film or Dog Day Afternoon or like you said, French Connection.

[01:07:54] I think Death Wish 1 is a decent flick.

[01:07:58] It really, it still holds up.

[01:08:00] It's horrifying, you know, the rape scenes and everything.

[01:08:04] But I think you find yourself rooting for them.

[01:08:06] I love the ending.

[01:08:07] If you like over the top, just like Rambo type action movies, then you're going to go with Death Wish.

[01:08:15] Watch them by yourself.

[01:08:16] And then once you get comfortable and you find the right kind of crowd, because don't get me wrong,

[01:08:23] there's going to be plenty of people who are going to be like, oh, you know, I don't like slashers or I don't like vigilante movies or stuff with uncomfortable moments.

[01:08:32] Well, if somebody doesn't like them, if somebody doesn't like vigilante movies or doesn't like Charles Bronson movies, then I don't really know if they should watch any of them.

[01:08:41] But don't get me wrong.

[01:08:42] If they don't like anything, they should watch Death Wish 3.

[01:08:44] I think Death Wish 3 would bring it.

[01:08:46] I think Death Wish 3 is the one that could turn anybody.

[01:08:50] You know, like there's some women that say they can turn a lady.

[01:08:55] There's a bit of that.

[01:08:56] But like I was going somewhere with it.

[01:08:58] Because there are times where sometimes something people generally don't like can still surprise them.

[01:09:06] Yeah, true.

[01:09:07] Game of Thrones.

[01:09:08] I didn't think I liked dragons and swords and all that.

[01:09:11] And now I love that crap.

[01:09:12] And that's all because of Game of Thrones.

[01:09:14] Oh, there's a perfect example.

[01:09:15] I had someone who's a trackie and he was doing the whole, I don't like horror or zombies, but he was watching The Last of Us.

[01:09:21] And I'm like, well, somehow that brought him out of his comfort zone.

[01:09:25] And he's really obsessed with it.

[01:09:27] And if somebody else is really into something, I can find, I can find it.

[01:09:32] Like if I have a friend who's just like, I'm really into this.

[01:09:37] And they can talk about it to me the way I can talk about Bronson, I will find myself interested in it.

[01:09:43] I think that's really where a lot of my pop culture interest comes from, seeing other people excited about it.

[01:09:49] It's a bit of that.

[01:09:50] Like my mother's not into Hitman movies, but she's a real big fan of Leon the Professional just because it was one of those films that just had an unusual premise and it was very well done.

[01:10:02] And I think it really just depends on the delivery.

[01:10:05] Sometimes you just get people out of their comfort zone and they don't realize how they do like a lot of the same kinds of things.

[01:10:12] It's just people just have to get better at using their words because like, yeah, there's all kinds of elements that are shared in other genres and everything.

[01:10:22] And it's like, well, you know, you might not like monster movies, but you did like, you know, that one Muppet or Simpsons spoof or something like Gremlins or Poltergeist.

[01:10:31] You know, I think we're just having to get to that point where it's like, OK, we're getting older, but there's something that we saw in this.

[01:10:40] You didn't just watch this mindlessly a dozen times if you didn't relate to it somehow or find it very intriguing, you know, and sometimes it's just about the delivery.

[01:10:52] There's plenty of movies where I've tried showing people and they're just they've seen too many movies or films that have ripped them off.

[01:10:59] So they're just like, I'm not seeing it.

[01:11:02] I'm like, well, you're seeing a bit of this and it has a lot in common with this other movie that you watch all the time.

[01:11:09] And we just got to use our words is like that.

[01:11:13] And all I ask is that people don't go on a rant.

[01:11:15] It's like, who has time for that?

[01:11:17] No.

[01:11:17] Right.

[01:11:18] It's why I don't listen to Jim Cornette anymore.

[01:11:20] You know, I love I love wrestling, but like he's he's and I love his knowledge of wrestling history.

[01:11:27] But then he just poops on it, poops on every like every everything that's new and or, you know what I mean?

[01:11:37] And yeah, just like, you know, now now you're making me as a wrestling fan look like a boomer, as the kids would say, you know, so.

[01:11:45] And it just it's not the you takes the joy out of things when people shit all over something.

[01:11:50] And that's what I'll never understand either is like, OK, well.

[01:11:56] Was this even earned?

[01:11:57] Because there's a lot of time where people will just shove something in there is like, hold on a second.

[01:12:01] You know, now you're mixing up your opinion with a fact.

[01:12:05] That's that's dangerous.

[01:12:07] You know, you're here to give commentary.

[01:12:09] You should at least give a disclaimer saying and here's what I think.

[01:12:13] OK, cool.

[01:12:14] Now we know we're getting into the it's kind of like a newspaper when don't say, oh, I misreported.

[01:12:20] It's like, no, that's an editorial, but you put it in the wrong section.

[01:12:25] Right.

[01:12:26] And yeah, I mean, Bronson is interesting, though, in that, like, many people have heard about him.

[01:12:33] And there's some people who I think my father had a funny one where he's like, I fear that dude.

[01:12:39] This could kill me.

[01:12:41] I'm like, he probably could.

[01:12:43] But the irony is you didn't do anything bad.

[01:12:47] You didn't rob a baby.

[01:12:48] Right.

[01:12:48] I think it's part of his allure is that we just didn't know, like, what was going on.

[01:12:53] That's a mystery.

[01:12:53] And so kudos to that, because like Richard Robert Bronson, who I saw at a convention, really nice guy, was has been basing his whole career off.

[01:13:02] You know, I'm a stuntman and martial artist and I'm doing these deliberate B movie homages while that are a tribute to my icon Bronson.

[01:13:11] Like that's what I'm basing my career off of, which I think is pretty cool because I've seen people do that before where they do their own slasher franchise.

[01:13:18] That's a love letter to all the, you know, Jason movies they saw.

[01:13:23] There's trackies who are doing their own Star Trek fan films.

[01:13:26] Well, I don't talk about that guy.

[01:13:28] I don't know who you're talking about.

[01:13:30] I think you're referring to the clown.

[01:13:34] But yeah, I draw the line at speaking of that gentleman.

[01:13:39] Oh, gotcha.

[01:13:43] Yeah.

[01:13:44] If you were at our Facebook page, you would know.

[01:13:46] No, a lot of people, a lot of people are, I'm at, I have little arguments with people about that.

[01:13:54] I'm actually going to be in, Mike Malloy is doing a documentary called Bronsploitation.

[01:14:02] And so that gentleman, whose name will not be saying, is not the only one.

[01:14:08] There was a Chilean Charles Bronson.

[01:14:11] Oh.

[01:14:13] A, was it Korean or Japanese?

[01:14:16] I don't know.

[01:14:17] Yeah.

[01:14:18] And a French.

[01:14:19] I do watch a show, but I did forget that.

[01:14:22] A French, a French Charles Bronson, who actually is a member of our Facebook page.

[01:14:28] So I'll give him, I'll give him.

[01:14:30] No, don't get me wrong.

[01:14:31] I was at part of some action reviewing sites and it would get awkward there sometimes because

[01:14:35] sometimes the actors would be in there.

[01:14:37] And the problem is when you get too many egos in the room, they want you to talk a certain

[01:14:42] way.

[01:14:42] And it's like, well, I'm glad you worked on and had a lot of fun.

[01:14:47] I don't have anything nice to say.

[01:14:49] And trust me, I have turned down plenty of screeners.

[01:14:52] I love my new Unfiltered Studios podcast network that I'm on because our rule was don't talk

[01:14:59] smack about any podcasts.

[01:15:01] I'm like, see, that makes sense because movies, there's just no changing it.

[01:15:05] It's not for you or what have you.

[01:15:07] With a podcast, word gets around fast.

[01:15:10] It's in small towns.

[01:15:11] So I think the other problem is though is yes, sometimes people like to come into the

[01:15:16] group and kind of unofficially take it over.

[01:15:18] And that gets old fast because you're like, I'm glad you like this.

[01:15:23] It's not my cup of tea.

[01:15:25] And I won't.

[01:15:26] I wouldn't ever talk bad about any other Bronson podcast.

[01:15:30] We got the hard times on film out of Canada.

[01:15:33] Those guys are really great.

[01:15:35] Friend of the show, Scott White, has the Burt Reynolds, Charles Bronson podcast.

[01:15:42] It's very strange.

[01:15:43] He goes back and forth from doing Burt Reynolds.

[01:15:45] That's why I like it.

[01:15:47] Yeah, it is pretty cool.

[01:15:48] There's plenty of other great actors.

[01:15:50] I like both of those.

[01:15:51] I like both those actors.

[01:15:52] And I like Scott's show because he'll actually do an episode on just like a TV show that Bronson

[01:15:57] was in or something like that.

[01:15:59] So they even did one on the random commercials too.

[01:16:02] So as far as I know, those are the other two that I know of.

[01:16:07] And then there's a lot of the canon.

[01:16:09] There's canon film, a lot of canon film podcasts, which I'm not.

[01:16:15] I've listened to a couple, but I don't remember which was which.

[01:16:18] But I don't I don't I'm not I don't really listen to, but I'm not I'm not putting them

[01:16:22] down.

[01:16:22] I just haven't.

[01:16:24] I put a lot of work into my own to the point where I have like my four or five that I

[01:16:29] listen to.

[01:16:29] So I'm going to start listening to you guys more.

[01:16:32] But wonderful.

[01:16:33] I we try to be fair with everybody and we try to make everybody happy.

[01:16:37] And we have done a few different.

[01:16:43] You know, the podcast that I listen to are also like they vary enough, but there were

[01:16:50] some that is like, hey, we do only action and we do only horror.

[01:16:53] And so that would get to that point where it's like we're going to eventually cover this

[01:16:56] kind of era.

[01:16:58] And as long as everybody just kind of.

[01:17:03] Keeps it straightforward, it's generally a lot of fun for everybody instead of just I'm

[01:17:08] going to go to Wikipedia and copy the first five things that everyone's already read.

[01:17:12] You know, right.

[01:17:13] And if you listen to our latest episode with Lindsay Ireland, it's, you know, it's looking

[01:17:19] forward to it.

[01:17:20] It's it's almost like a therapy session.

[01:17:23] And she was she she wrote a very inspiring book.

[01:17:27] And me and Brad, who couldn't be here tonight, by the way, to Brad.

[01:17:31] Yeah.

[01:17:31] But you guys have a good camaraderie because like you kind of you guys are so in sync.

[01:17:36] Sometimes you finish each other's sentences.

[01:17:38] Yeah.

[01:17:39] And I got the the you know, the Philly accent and the and the and I cuss and and and I

[01:17:46] and he's got the beautiful Arkansas accent.

[01:17:48] And, you know, he's in West Virginia right now.

[01:17:53] Stacey's the Union.

[01:17:55] But.

[01:17:56] But yeah, what were they saying?

[01:17:59] Oh, I got like.

[01:18:01] But anyway.

[01:18:02] But yeah, me and Brad, like we really opened up in it.

[01:18:05] You know, it's it's funny where these talking about these violent movies has taken us,

[01:18:10] you know, down some really different roads.

[01:18:12] And I think that's really cool.

[01:18:13] You get to learn not just about the movies, not just about pop culture, but you get to

[01:18:17] learn about people, these movies sometimes have even been in our lives longer than we

[01:18:21] realize.

[01:18:22] And I always have fun with the subgenre movies in general, just because you find out, yeah,

[01:18:27] this movie actually got unofficially remade or it inspired this wave of movies, you know,

[01:18:33] and right.

[01:18:33] Right.

[01:18:34] And because this is where it becomes like the B side of a music soundtrack where you're

[01:18:37] like, yeah, this is actually way more influential than you would like to give it credit for.

[01:18:44] Right.

[01:18:44] Right.

[01:18:46] But hey, delight having you on here.

[01:18:48] And hey, yeah, let me know when this drops and I'll share with all our listeners.

[01:18:53] If you want to copy the episode, I can do that, too.

[01:18:55] So it will be dropping in.

[01:19:00] You won't have long to wait.

[01:19:02] First week of November for our MVP week.

[01:19:05] Beautiful.

[01:19:06] Before I go, I want to I want to remind everybody.

[01:19:08] Well, this will be after November anyway.

[01:19:10] But two days from now, August 30th is the 21st anniversary of I think it's the 21st of

[01:19:16] Charles Bronson's death.

[01:19:18] But it'll be past then when this drops.

[01:19:20] It'll be near his birthday, his hundred and third or fourth birthday.

[01:19:24] So there you go.

[01:19:26] There you go.

[01:19:27] Pleasure talking to you.

[01:19:28] And I can't wait to hear this.

[01:19:31] So thank you.

[01:19:32] And hey, listen, and I'm going to have to assign you a film and you're going to have

[01:19:35] to come on and talk with us about a film.

[01:19:37] Promise.

[01:19:38] All right, boss.

[01:19:39] Thank you so much.

[01:19:41] Hey, thank you for leading the way and just kind of reminding everybody, hey, get comfortable

[01:19:46] in our own skin again.

[01:19:47] And I will definitely try to introduce you to some of my other retro connoisseurs on the

[01:19:53] panel just because, I mean, we're going to be going to all kinds of things, everything

[01:19:57] from Mr. Show and Larry Saunders to the original Planet of the Apes, you know, and I think

[01:20:04] they would like your show, too, just because you're.

[01:20:06] Well, listen, if you ever want to talk about Twin Peaks is something that I love.

[01:20:11] Oh, sweet.

[01:20:12] Yes.

[01:20:12] Yeah.

[01:20:13] I have other obsessions.

[01:20:15] So, but Bronson is the number one.

[01:20:17] All right.

[01:20:18] Perfect.

[01:20:19] Yeah.

[01:20:19] Well, but who's the number one fan?

[01:20:21] Is it Eric?

[01:20:23] Or is it your co-host?

[01:20:26] Ask yourself.

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