MVP Week: Comedy Duo Abbott & Costello Retrospect (with JJ & Tom!)

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[00:00:10] We're not arguing about who's on first. We're arguing if they made it first.

[00:01:04] And is the father a mutter? Yeah, the father's a mutter and the mother's a mutter.

[00:01:12] Welcome folks. Tom, JJ and I are all back in the studio.

[00:01:18] Reflecting on classic comedians, let alone the original troublemakers.

[00:01:25] I wouldn't call them troublemakers. I'd call them like the best.

[00:01:30] I think the best.

[00:01:32] Duo to do comedy.

[00:01:35] From vaudeville burlesque.

[00:01:38] Then to jump into film and to radio and then to television.

[00:01:41] Yeah, I have no I have no qualms about saying that and.

[00:01:46] Well, I'm sure we'll delve into that.

[00:01:49] Much deeper than that in the in the next few minutes.

[00:01:53] Yeah.

[00:01:55] Yeah.

[00:01:56] Because there's something for everybody here and we're also kind of just realizing that there's a reason they they found their voice kind of is just.

[00:02:07] I don't know if I'd call it sheer audacity or just.

[00:02:12] Being ballsy in their respective day, but.

[00:02:16] I mean, I would compare kind of their if I had to contrast it with anything, I'd say they're kind of they're very much like Jackie Gleason and aren't Carney on the honeymooners for me just the whole just back and forth back and forth and then stop and sing.

[00:02:33] I, I'd go back a little bit.

[00:02:35] Um.

[00:02:37] Because you got to think two man acts.

[00:02:40] Back then.

[00:02:41] We're always.

[00:02:43] You know, let's just I mean, you know, the big canning begins with Laurel and Hardy, you know, yep, and those how those how Roach comedies they did where, you know, Laura, you know, Hardy is you know, Laura is the is the is the naive sweet one and.

[00:02:59] Laurel, you know, Laurel, you know, you know, Hardy's the blowhard, you know, yes.

[00:03:04] And that's that's that's that's the dynamic.

[00:03:07] And with Abed and Costello.

[00:03:10] It was.

[00:03:13] Lou Costello was almost childlike.

[00:03:16] And Bud was almost like I wouldn't say like nasty and aggressive, I'd say he'd like you know he would he would just get he would try to get Lou Costello flustered all the time.

[00:03:28] And that's the great that's the great thing when you have.

[00:03:32] A team like that when you got a straight man, and I'll say this but Abed was was the greatest straight man of all time.

[00:03:39] Yeah.

[00:03:42] Because Lou and him.

[00:03:44] To go back and forth.

[00:03:47] There's one scene they do when they're in a restaurant.

[00:03:51] And but is like asking these questions and he's like throwing them and throwing these questions because he goes, this is going to be a pit.

[00:03:58] Yeah.

[00:04:00] Just he just knows he's going to get in trouble.

[00:04:02] The more he answers the more the more but Abed is going to just try to get them more flustered and flustered and flustered.

[00:04:09] Yeah.

[00:04:10] And that's what makes that's what made, you know, Abed and Costello such a great team is that.

[00:04:16] Lou knew his spot.

[00:04:19] Bud knew his spot.

[00:04:20] They never they never flipped it around.

[00:04:24] And.

[00:04:27] How they met was kind of.

[00:04:30] Very odd.

[00:04:32] Yeah.

[00:04:34] Lou had a act going with another guy.

[00:04:38] And the guy kept getting sick all the time.

[00:04:40] So yes, but Abed one day to fill in and.

[00:04:45] Both of their wives said you should do an act together, you know, because.

[00:04:52] You know, but but Abed was but I was a good comedian, but yeah, he was he was a straight man.

[00:04:57] And the thing is about when you have a.

[00:05:01] When you look at them.

[00:05:03] But Abed is tall, you know, good looking and loose kind of schlubby, you know, you know, and don't get me wrong.

[00:05:11] I mean, the guy was a boxer, you know.

[00:05:14] Yes.

[00:05:16] So, you know, he kind of he he kind of dresses kind of like, you know, the clothes really don't fit on that well.

[00:05:22] They're kind of big and, you know, he's doing the old circus, you know, and he just he just he just, you know, he looks up.

[00:05:27] He looks up the button, but it's that whole eyeline thing, you know, how did how to be a good double act.

[00:05:34] Martin and Lewis couldn't do it.

[00:05:37] Because they were both.

[00:05:39] You know, Jerry could, you know, Jerry, you know, that's something for another day.

[00:05:44] But to me, it's like you got the little kid in the adult.

[00:05:48] And the adult doesn't know as much as the little kid, but the adult thinks he's in charge, but he's not in charge.

[00:05:55] You know, I mean, yeah, I think that's fair enough.

[00:05:59] They're definitely in that point where they're this one step away from you having to slap them their hand away from the cookie jar.

[00:06:06] Yeah, yeah.

[00:06:08] Yeah, they're also it's kind of meta before meadow was a thing because they're very self aware.

[00:06:14] Yeah.

[00:06:16] And.

[00:06:18] The way they would play scenes off each other.

[00:06:21] You know, there's a scene in Buck Privates.

[00:06:25] If you guys ever seen it where they're shooting dice.

[00:06:28] I need to see that.

[00:06:30] And and Luke Luke comes in and says, what are you guys doing?

[00:06:32] He's just shooting.

[00:06:33] I'm shooting.

[00:06:34] We're we're playing dice.

[00:06:36] He's like, he's like, oh, what kind of games you with?

[00:06:38] I mean, I played, you know, onesies, twosies, you know, hopscotch, that kind of thing.

[00:06:43] So.

[00:06:44] He's like, well, you know, but, you know, Bud's explain that.

[00:06:47] Well, you know, you get a five and a two.

[00:06:49] That's a seven.

[00:06:49] You know, if you get a three and a four, that's a seven.

[00:06:51] If you get a four or four, you lose.

[00:06:53] Right.

[00:06:55] So.

[00:06:56] You know, are you all not the places?

[00:06:58] Yeah, I'm all that place.

[00:06:59] And he's yeah.

[00:07:00] Next week I'm going to start dating girls.

[00:07:02] So he starts.

[00:07:03] He starts.

[00:07:05] He starts playing dicey like.

[00:07:07] Come on, daddy.

[00:07:08] Mama needs daddy needs a new parachute.

[00:07:10] And he goes, hey, how did you know?

[00:07:11] I heard that from the guys in the club.

[00:07:13] What club?

[00:07:13] Just a club.

[00:07:14] They were playing.

[00:07:15] They were playing this game with the sugar cubes.

[00:07:17] And sugar cubes are pulling.

[00:07:19] You know, he's like, and he just keeps going.

[00:07:21] Like, he says, come on, little Joe.

[00:07:22] He's like, how do you know that?

[00:07:23] You know?

[00:07:24] So there are some points where.

[00:07:27] Lou's playing bud for the fool.

[00:07:29] And but is playing for the, you know, he kind of reverses it back on.

[00:07:33] They exploit each other.

[00:07:35] Yeah.

[00:07:35] Yeah.

[00:07:38] But it is kind of a camaraderie, like brothers who have been together forever.

[00:07:43] Yeah.

[00:07:44] And yeah, I've.

[00:07:50] I really got introduced to them when I was younger by my father.

[00:07:54] And I was like, I'm sure.

[00:07:54] I'm sure.

[00:07:55] Because my dad would have.

[00:07:57] Channel 11 on WPIX.

[00:08:00] Hmm.

[00:08:01] And PIX would play.

[00:08:03] The three stooges in the morning.

[00:08:06] And then it would be Abbott and Castile in the afternoon.

[00:08:10] So.

[00:08:12] We'd watch like, you know.

[00:08:16] Trying to think what the hell did we want?

[00:08:18] Buck privates, Buck privates come home.

[00:08:22] Time of their lives.

[00:08:26] Africa screams.

[00:08:28] You know, we got to.

[00:08:29] We got to see Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein.

[00:08:33] Nice.

[00:08:34] Which.

[00:08:35] Is one of the best.

[00:08:37] Comedy horror movies of all time.

[00:08:39] Yeah.

[00:08:40] The invisible man.

[00:08:41] I think is kind of weak, but the other universal ones definitely have a lot of love put into them.

[00:08:46] And yeah, it's a win win.

[00:08:47] You're.

[00:08:48] Watching it both for the universal monsters and for their shtick.

[00:08:53] Well, the thing I love is when he.

[00:08:54] When they meet.

[00:08:55] I mean, it's the first time you see the big three in the same movie.

[00:08:59] Yeah.

[00:09:00] You got.

[00:09:00] You know, Dracula.

[00:09:02] Legosi.

[00:09:05] Talk about wild.

[00:09:07] Like Glenn Strange as the monster.

[00:09:09] And then.

[00:09:11] You know, Lon Chaney Jr.

[00:09:12] As the wolf man.

[00:09:14] And I love when.

[00:09:15] He says.

[00:09:16] He says.

[00:09:17] He says.

[00:09:18] You know, I.

[00:09:19] He says.

[00:09:20] When the moon is full.

[00:09:21] I turn into a.

[00:09:22] I turn into a wolf.

[00:09:24] And Lucas.

[00:09:24] No, he goes.

[00:09:25] You and a million other guys.

[00:09:30] I'm an ever Mario.

[00:09:32] He says.

[00:09:33] Are you telling me you saw.

[00:09:34] That.

[00:09:34] That candle move across the corner.

[00:09:37] I think.

[00:09:38] I think.

[00:09:39] I think.

[00:09:39] You saw that candle.

[00:09:40] Yes.

[00:09:41] Come on.

[00:09:41] Come on.

[00:09:43] You think Dracula's real?

[00:09:44] I saw that candle move.

[00:09:46] He's like.

[00:09:48] He's like.

[00:09:50] He's like.

[00:09:51] He's like.

[00:09:51] Oh, come on.

[00:09:52] That's probably.

[00:09:53] Come on.

[00:09:53] That doesn't exist.

[00:09:54] You know, Dracula doesn't.

[00:09:55] He goes.

[00:09:56] He's in the coffin.

[00:09:57] You know.

[00:09:58] It was just.

[00:10:00] And you realize that movie came after they had.

[00:10:02] They had kind of a little bit of a low point.

[00:10:05] Oh, wow.

[00:10:06] In their career.

[00:10:07] Yeah.

[00:10:08] They weren't drawing as well.

[00:10:09] And then when they put them in the monster movies.

[00:10:11] It brought them back to prominence.

[00:10:14] But wild.

[00:10:16] I mean, I can see.

[00:10:17] I know some people.

[00:10:18] Yeah.

[00:10:19] Only for their cameos, which is wild because you would think any good parent would have introduced

[00:10:23] you to Stooges and all those other comedians.

[00:10:26] But what do I know?

[00:10:29] Yeah.

[00:10:29] Yeah.

[00:10:29] And the thing is with that is that.

[00:10:35] Lou.

[00:10:38] It was kind of sad because, you know, Lou had a very tragic life.

[00:10:44] You know, and Bud did too.

[00:10:47] Bud was a was an epileptic.

[00:10:50] And he drank to help his seizures.

[00:10:53] And then Lou got, I think.

[00:10:57] Rheumatic fever or something like that.

[00:11:00] And he was out of the.

[00:11:01] He was in bed for six months.

[00:11:04] And the night he came back on the air.

[00:11:07] His son, Lou Jr., who was nicknamed Butchie, was died in a drowning accident.

[00:11:13] There.

[00:11:13] He was like, I think, two years old.

[00:11:17] And when you.

[00:11:20] There's something I found out when they do the time of their lives.

[00:11:24] There's two movies.

[00:11:25] They don't even work with each other.

[00:11:26] They're just like on.

[00:11:27] Like they're on.

[00:11:28] There's all the whole time.

[00:11:29] They didn't talk to each other for a while.

[00:11:33] The reason was, is that.

[00:11:35] Lou Costello had fired.

[00:11:37] A housekeeper and Bud hired her.

[00:11:41] And they got.

[00:11:42] Like it was kind of a rift.

[00:11:43] There was kind of a rift.

[00:11:45] And they didn't talk to each other for a while.

[00:11:47] So.

[00:11:49] Lou Costello had raised some money for to open a.

[00:11:52] A youth center.

[00:11:55] And Bud Abbott said, you know what?

[00:11:58] Why don't you just nickname at the Lou Costello Jr.

[00:12:01] Youth Center.

[00:12:02] And.

[00:12:04] Lou was like touched and they patched things up.

[00:12:08] But.

[00:12:10] They're.

[00:12:12] The thing about it is.

[00:12:13] Like you read a lot about these comedy teams.

[00:12:15] They, they broke up an accurate, you know.

[00:12:17] Acromany.

[00:12:18] You know.

[00:12:18] Like.

[00:12:19] Away again.

[00:12:21] Yeah.

[00:12:22] Yeah.

[00:12:22] Martin Lewis never spoke to each other.

[00:12:27] The story behind.

[00:12:29] The story behind.

[00:12:29] I think the truth behind them breaking up was that they were just like, look.

[00:12:33] We're getting older.

[00:12:34] We can't do this anymore.

[00:12:35] Why don't we just stop here?

[00:12:38] And.

[00:12:39] You know.

[00:12:41] They were.

[00:12:42] They, they, they split up.

[00:12:43] They did one.

[00:12:43] They did their last movie dance with me, Henry, which I saw.

[00:12:47] Which was not that good.

[00:12:49] And.

[00:12:51] And.

[00:12:51] You know, they'd done Jack and the Beanstalk.

[00:12:53] They'd done foreign Legion.

[00:12:54] They'd done, you know, that's.

[00:12:55] You know, they were, they were let go by universal, you know, dance with me.

[00:12:58] Henry was kind of the last one.

[00:13:00] And.

[00:13:01] That was it.

[00:13:02] But.

[00:13:04] The great thing about it is you have all those movies to look back on.

[00:13:07] And that television show was unbelievable too.

[00:13:10] Mm hmm.

[00:13:11] If anybody's ever seen the television show.

[00:13:14] I think I saw tidbits of it in like best of comedy, but I never.

[00:13:18] I didn't see it get rebroadcast here too much.

[00:13:22] I was, you know, like Lou Costello has one of the best things.

[00:13:24] I was 13.

[00:13:25] How does 13, you know, 13 times seven equals 28.

[00:13:31] And it's like one.

[00:13:32] It's, it's, it's a sketch that's so on.

[00:13:34] And like, all of a sudden you're thinking yourself, wait, no, that does make sense.

[00:13:38] Yeah.

[00:13:40] So.

[00:13:41] They're the kings of the ambush kind of.

[00:13:45] Yeah.

[00:13:45] And that's.

[00:13:46] That's the thing they, they, they.

[00:13:49] They'll get into a situation and it's just.

[00:13:52] It was just funny to watch.

[00:13:54] Like there's one part in the Abbott's cell show.

[00:13:56] Like, like they're trying to back out a car.

[00:13:59] So Lou and Bud decide to back out of the car.

[00:14:01] He says, all right, I want you to back out.

[00:14:02] Okay.

[00:14:03] Go ahead.

[00:14:04] Go ahead.

[00:14:05] No, I want you to back out.

[00:14:07] All right.

[00:14:08] I'll back out.

[00:14:08] Okay.

[00:14:09] Go ahead.

[00:14:10] No.

[00:14:11] Are you telling me to go ahead?

[00:14:12] And I got to go backwards.

[00:14:13] All right.

[00:14:13] Yeah.

[00:14:14] All right.

[00:14:14] Go ahead.

[00:14:14] Back out.

[00:14:15] Go ahead.

[00:14:18] It's just, it's just the two.

[00:14:20] It's just too little thing.

[00:14:24] It's just too little.

[00:14:25] It's just too little.

[00:14:26] It's just a little thing that just keep the thing with their, their economies.

[00:14:29] It piles up and piles up and piles up.

[00:14:31] Like who's on first is one of the greatest comedy sketches of all time.

[00:14:34] Oh, no question.

[00:14:37] Because he says, who's what, what kind of a name when this baseball TV, who's on first,

[00:14:42] what's on second.

[00:14:43] And I don't know who's on third.

[00:14:46] He's like, all right, who's on first.

[00:14:49] I'm asking you.

[00:14:51] Yeah.

[00:14:52] Piling, piling up.

[00:14:54] That's the great thing about their comedy.

[00:14:55] It was like, it was like, it started with one thing and then just keeps piling up and

[00:14:59] piling up and piling up.

[00:15:01] And then it comes to that point of like, and I don't give a damn.

[00:15:04] Boom.

[00:15:04] And that's it.

[00:15:05] Yes.

[00:15:08] Oh, man.

[00:15:11] And like you said, it just go on and on and on and on.

[00:15:15] It's like, where are we going?

[00:15:20] Do you know who, you know, who was on that, that Abbott and Costello show, right?

[00:15:25] Please tell me more.

[00:15:27] Joe Besser.

[00:15:29] Oh, wow.

[00:15:32] Wow.

[00:15:32] He played, he played stinky.

[00:15:36] The overgrown, like the big overgrown.

[00:15:37] Oh, I'm going to hit you.

[00:15:39] I'm going to harm you.

[00:15:41] I'm going to harm you.

[00:15:42] I'm going to harm you.

[00:15:44] And he would, he would make life a living hell for, for Lou Costello.

[00:15:49] Like, you know, he would, oh, it was just.

[00:15:54] And Mr. Bocicoloop.

[00:15:56] You know, I mean, I don't, I don't know how they came up with this stuff, you know, but it was.

[00:16:02] It would have been great to go, gone inside their brain.

[00:16:05] I would have totally taken a master class on comedy writing.

[00:16:08] To as taught by Kevin Costello.

[00:16:11] Well, that's the thing.

[00:16:12] I mean, Kevin Costello, you could do.

[00:16:16] It's the premise of a and B.

[00:16:18] Okay.

[00:16:19] A says this to B.

[00:16:21] B says this to a, a goes back to B and then he twisted up.

[00:16:25] Yeah.

[00:16:26] Yeah.

[00:16:27] You know, there's one of them, they're sitting in a restaurant and he goes,

[00:16:31] suppose we want, you know, suppose we want this restaurant.

[00:16:33] I told you to bore a hole in that wall.

[00:16:34] What would you do?

[00:16:35] I'm not going to bore a hole in that wall.

[00:16:36] Why aren't you going to bore a hole in that wall?

[00:16:38] Because I don't go into restaurants and bore holes in them.

[00:16:40] But why aren't you going to, but he just keeps pushing and pushing and pushing them.

[00:16:43] And it's like this point where he just, he just, he's just kind of like, you know,

[00:16:47] he's like, it's just, it's just, it keeps going and growing and growing.

[00:16:50] And boom, it just, you know, it hits that.

[00:16:51] It explodes in your face.

[00:16:53] Yeah.

[00:16:54] That, that critical point, that point of critical mass.

[00:16:57] And then it goes all over the place, you know?

[00:16:59] Mm-hmm.

[00:17:01] And that's a gift.

[00:17:02] It's definitely a gift because, and I, they don't come off to me as idiotic in their skits.

[00:17:09] I know everyone else kind of would be little themselves before we were doing kind of, you

[00:17:13] know, making fun of our overgrown bodies and everything.

[00:17:15] And they just kind of seemed like they were more just, ah, you mouthing off at me, you

[00:17:20] know, wise guy, you know?

[00:17:23] That's how I describe the persona, at least.

[00:17:25] I don't know.

[00:17:25] How would you describe their personas?

[00:17:31] Lou Costello.

[00:17:33] Oh, I'm sorry.

[00:17:33] Go ahead, Tom.

[00:17:35] For me, Evan Costello is the perfect two-man duo.

[00:17:40] Mm-hmm.

[00:17:40] Because when you have, when you have a comedy duo, especially back in the day in, in

[00:17:48] vaudeville, burlesque, you had one person who was the straight man.

[00:17:53] Perfect.

[00:17:53] You have someone who would feed the common, the comedian.

[00:18:00] Abbott and Costello to me, Costello was perfect in his role.

[00:18:07] Mm-hmm.

[00:18:08] But, but Abbott, well, he, he could teach a master class on how to be a perfect straight

[00:18:16] man.

[00:18:17] They're even kind of doing part of the actor curriculum.

[00:18:20] Where am I in the scene?

[00:18:21] And how's this going to end?

[00:18:23] Am I going to tiptoe out of here?

[00:18:24] Exactly.

[00:18:24] Or am I going to be the butt of your joke and we cut there?

[00:18:28] Yeah.

[00:18:28] And I, to me it takes, it takes talent to be funny, but it takes talent above and beyond

[00:18:37] that.

[00:18:38] Do all this wordplay.

[00:18:40] Yeah.

[00:18:41] To be the straight man.

[00:18:42] Just do the setups.

[00:18:43] And it's always like on a misunderstanding or a stupid trait that many of us have fallen

[00:18:49] victim to.

[00:18:52] Yeah.

[00:18:52] And the thing of it is, is that you have to be, to be a great straight man, you not only

[00:18:59] have to be attuned to your partner and know where your, where your spots are, know where

[00:19:05] the, where the joke's going to land, but you also have to, you literally have to not to

[00:19:12] go against your natural nature.

[00:19:14] Mm-hmm .

[00:19:14] You're, you want to laugh.

[00:19:17] You have to laugh, but you also, but you can't because that breaks the illusion.

[00:19:23] Yeah.

[00:19:23] Yeah.

[00:19:24] Now, and that, that to me is, is something that makes that team so brilliant.

[00:19:32] Um, Luke Costello, I saw him in the 30 foot bride of candy rock and.

[00:19:37] Oh, wow.

[00:19:39] Yeah.

[00:19:40] Yeah.

[00:19:41] And I will tell you that he was good, but I could still tell there was something missing.

[00:19:49] He, he had, I think he had one too many straight men.

[00:19:52] He was, he was trying to, and it was nothing really to play off of.

[00:19:57] Whereas.

[00:19:58] No.

[00:19:59] Only as good as the skit.

[00:20:02] Yeah.

[00:20:02] It was Abbott though.

[00:20:04] He always had that dynamic where, where Abbott was always, was always the more mature,

[00:20:14] always the more sensible.

[00:20:17] A great way to look at it is, but Abbott was the left side of the brain.

[00:20:24] Logical.

[00:20:24] Things had to fall in sequence.

[00:20:27] Costello was the right side of the brain.

[00:20:29] More creative, more, more able to adapt to different things.

[00:20:33] And that.

[00:20:35] In a nutshell is what made them work so well.

[00:20:39] It also.

[00:20:39] Yeah.

[00:20:40] Go back to some of the other comedy teams that we mentioned, like, um, like Martin and

[00:20:45] Lewis.

[00:20:46] Um, there you go.

[00:20:48] Yeah.

[00:20:49] George Burns and Gracie Allen.

[00:20:51] Yeah.

[00:20:52] They, that was another one that.

[00:20:54] That was another duo that really kind of.

[00:20:57] They had that spark, but didn't take it quite far enough.

[00:21:02] But the.

[00:21:03] Yeah.

[00:21:03] And then you go look at other teams.

[00:21:05] We mentioned, um, Martin and Lewis.

[00:21:06] Going really into the vault there in the 50s.

[00:21:09] No kidding.

[00:21:10] Yeah.

[00:21:10] And you also look at a team like, um, Hope and Crosby.

[00:21:15] Yeah.

[00:21:16] That's one.

[00:21:18] That.

[00:21:19] That.

[00:21:20] That.

[00:21:20] Kind of worked on the same dynamic, but also put a little bit of a twist on it because

[00:21:24] both Hope and, and Crosby could be funny.

[00:21:32] So it wasn't a straight, it wasn't a strict, straight man comedy guy.

[00:21:37] It was two guys who would do, who would do both.

[00:21:41] And just play off of each other.

[00:21:44] So going back to Abbott.

[00:21:45] Yeah.

[00:21:45] But going back, back at the Canstella, they are the ones, they are the masters of it.

[00:21:50] They, I will, this is a hill I will die on.

[00:21:54] Yeah.

[00:21:54] I can't blame you.

[00:21:57] And the thing that gets me is you mentioned the 30 foot bride of candy rock.

[00:22:01] Um, that's the last one that Lou made as a, as a, you know, as an actor in a film.

[00:22:07] He was also on a Western.

[00:22:09] Oh, wow.

[00:22:10] That he did.

[00:22:11] Um, I forgot what it was.

[00:22:13] I keep thinking it was shotgun slater, something like that.

[00:22:15] I don't know, but his daughter, Chris wrote a beautiful book about her, her father.

[00:22:22] And she said that when he did that show, the first one to call him up and congratulate

[00:22:27] him was but Abbott.

[00:22:29] So there wasn't any, um, you know, bad feelings between them.

[00:22:34] Supposedly the deal, the deal that they got broke up was Errol Flynn invited them to their

[00:22:39] house one night, to his house one night.

[00:22:42] And this is, and he, he wrote a book called my wicked, wicked ways.

[00:22:46] And, uh, he says he, he broke up Abbott and Costello because what happened was he was

[00:22:51] going to show a film when it turned out to be was hardcore pornography.

[00:22:55] So.

[00:22:57] Supposedly the two of them bickered and argued about who did what to whom this is according

[00:23:02] to Errol Flynn.

[00:23:03] But what Chris Costello said was, you know, that was all BS.

[00:23:09] You know, they just said, look, we've had a good run.

[00:23:11] Why don't we just stop here?

[00:23:12] We've been together for almost 20 some odd years.

[00:23:15] Stop now.

[00:23:16] And, you know, we'll take it from there.

[00:23:18] And a lot of people don't realize after Luke Costello died.

[00:23:21] There was a cartoon.

[00:23:24] Yes.

[00:23:26] Yeah.

[00:23:27] I keep thinking, but Abbott.

[00:23:30] And Stu.

[00:23:33] Irwin imitating Lou and was on for like a season or two seasons.

[00:23:40] And you could tell, but is, you know, what might've had a stroke or something like that.

[00:23:44] Cause this is, he wasn't as quick as he used to be.

[00:23:47] Um, I kept telling people, although there's, there was a, you know, there was a three students

[00:23:52] cartoon and there was an Abbott and Costello cartoon.

[00:23:55] People are not either.

[00:23:56] Yeah, there was, I saw it.

[00:23:58] It was on channel five when I was a kid.

[00:24:00] Um, and the thing was, is that, uh, if you ever watched the movie, uh, Bud and Lou, uh, with

[00:24:11] Buddy Hackett and, uh, Harvey Korman with the infamous dishes, I had a lot of strawberry

[00:24:18] malts in my time, but this is the best strawberry malting.

[00:24:23] I ever had any dyes in the bed.

[00:24:25] And that was all, that was all just pure BS.

[00:24:29] It paints Lou Costello.

[00:24:31] He was a petty man, which he wasn't.

[00:24:33] He was a very kind and loving man.

[00:24:36] Yeah.

[00:24:36] I never heard anything.

[00:24:37] Unlike WC Fields or, um, you know, Bob Hope.

[00:24:42] Yeah.

[00:24:43] He was a very kind, loving and giving man.

[00:24:45] I mean, you know, he, he did, he, you know, the, in the death of his son affected him,

[00:24:49] you know, um, in a way, but.

[00:24:53] Um, not, you know, no, I'm, you know, I mean, but I'm saying, you know, anybody who loses

[00:24:59] a child, you know, it's kind of a, you know, it's kind of a, uh, you know, a thing that

[00:25:05] affects you.

[00:25:06] So, but Chris's book was so good to read and, you know, paint, it painted them in a better

[00:25:12] light than most people think they were painted in, you know?

[00:25:18] Um, I can't really, I, I, I gotta say like, if they, if they ever do anything, you know,

[00:25:30] I know they never got an Oscar.

[00:25:33] I know they never, you know, which is a shame because they should have gotten one or they

[00:25:37] should have given one to the family.

[00:25:39] You know, they are so, they're the gold standard that most teams are, are, uh, two man teams

[00:25:49] are based on.

[00:25:50] I mean, you got Laurel and Hardy, but Laurel and Hardy was different.

[00:25:53] Laurel and Hardy was mostly films and shorts.

[00:25:57] You know, they didn't get into television, television with, you know, with, with Luke

[00:26:03] Costello and, but, you know, about Costello, you know, only gave them more, more exposure.

[00:26:11] Um, and you have to think too, I'm trying to think with Laurel and with, with, but, you

[00:26:22] know, with Bud and Lou, this was kind of like, they're always going to be there.

[00:26:26] You know, their movies are still there.

[00:26:29] Yep.

[00:26:29] You know, I don't have, I don't know how many shorts are around of, you know, Laurel

[00:26:36] and Hardy.

[00:26:37] Um, uh, does this, yeah.

[00:26:41] But, um, the one thing, you know, like, and then, you know, they kind of faded out and

[00:26:47] then Martin and Lewis took over, but the thing with Martin Lewis was that, you know, it's

[00:26:52] Dean Martin.

[00:26:52] He's a singer.

[00:26:54] He's the good looking one.

[00:26:55] Jerry's the crazy one.

[00:26:57] Yeah.

[00:26:58] And to me, sometimes I think that pattern with their movies kind of wore out, you know,

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[00:28:33] I think, you know, there's a couple of good movies, but towards the, you know, it wasn't

[00:28:37] like that with Abbott and Costello in my opinion.

[00:28:39] I think Abbott and Costello did great jobs on their movies, you know, and the writing

[00:28:46] was good and they were, you know, they were always, they were always on top.

[00:28:48] Even if they had a shitty script, they always make it work, you know?

[00:28:55] Yeah, I'd say so.

[00:28:56] Cause, but if you were to even just recommend anyone like check out some of their material,

[00:29:03] I think where would you want to even start?

[00:29:06] Cause.

[00:29:07] Um, to me it would be buck privates.

[00:29:13] All right.

[00:29:14] Buck pirates, buck, buck, buck privates up in the air.

[00:29:18] And in, I think the Navy one, those are the best ones.

[00:29:22] And then.

[00:29:24] You know, they did a night in the tropics.

[00:29:25] That's their, that's, I think the debut they had, I think a night in the tropics where

[00:29:30] they were just the comedy team, you know, you know, they've got.

[00:29:34] I think Carmen Miranda's in it or something like that.

[00:29:36] And, you know, they're just the comedy team and they saw, you know, universal saw how

[00:29:40] funny they were.

[00:29:42] So you guys start, I think you start at the beginning.

[00:29:44] I think you should end.

[00:29:46] At, uh, meet the invisible man or, you know, I think meet the mummy or something.

[00:29:54] Like, I don't know.

[00:29:54] You know, I'm trying to think what.

[00:29:58] Where and that because it's, it's, it's, there's no way you can end, you know, I'm

[00:30:04] trying to put this right.

[00:30:05] Like the movies are just so damn good.

[00:30:08] You know, some of them, uh, you hit or miss, but a lot of them, you know, you start at buck

[00:30:14] privates in my opinion, you know, that's the movie you start at, you know?

[00:30:19] Um, because just some of the stuff they do in there is just hilarious.

[00:30:25] No, the dice games, one of the best things that's ever did, you know?

[00:30:31] Absolutely.

[00:30:31] And I don't think they're as strong as say, uh, the March butters, but I do think like

[00:30:37] you guys say, this is more of a, they're still kind of remarkable in a Cagney way, dare

[00:30:43] I say, because the way they're staged and they're letting their energy be infectious

[00:30:50] and react off each other while assigning each other a position, you close the scene or you

[00:30:55] start the problem or the argument is still kind of a must see from a acting appreciation.

[00:31:04] And for me to think about the three stooges is that we pretty much, whatever combination

[00:31:12] of the, of the three you want to use, they, they were all had comedic potential.

[00:31:19] They all could work on each other.

[00:31:21] Even Mo, who is traditionally the, the straight man.

[00:31:26] Yeah.

[00:31:26] He had his funny moments.

[00:31:28] So they, they took that, they took that dynamic and twisted it and turned it into what, what

[00:31:34] became three stooges comedy, which is not a fault on them by any stretch of the imagination.

[00:31:40] No, but, but the.

[00:31:41] But, but what, what happened was that you had the Burns and Burns and Allen, you had your

[00:31:48] Abbot and Castello.

[00:31:49] Everybody brought a little something different to the table.

[00:31:52] Where thing, when you start breaking off and it started to, hey, well, with the Marx Brothers,

[00:31:57] all three, all, every one of them was funny in their own way.

[00:32:02] Harpo was just hysterical.

[00:32:04] Groucho with the, with the slick lines.

[00:32:07] And every, everybody in that ensemble truly, were truly comedic geniuses in their own right.

[00:32:16] But it doesn't quite match up with what Abbot and Castello bring to the table, which is the perfect combination of a straight man and a comedian.

[00:32:27] Absolutely.

[00:32:28] You have that moment.

[00:32:30] You have, I mean, I can't really think of anybody better.

[00:32:34] That's beautifully stated, dude.

[00:32:36] Because I see so many who don't seem to know what that phrase is.

[00:32:39] And it's like, yeah, you're, you're the guy, the normal guy in this.

[00:32:45] Exactly.

[00:32:46] Even, even, I'm sorry to interrupt.

[00:32:48] Even some of the more, more recent duos, like I saw, I watched a comedy special with C. Martin and Martin Short.

[00:32:56] That, they, they did similar to what, what the Three Stooges did.

[00:33:03] They did their own little take on it.

[00:33:06] And the Marx Brothers, they were both funny.

[00:33:08] They also played off each other as straight men, but it wasn't quite the same dynamic.

[00:33:16] It was, they were both comedians.

[00:33:18] They both worked well together.

[00:33:21] But it was lacking a single straight man.

[00:33:26] Yeah.

[00:33:26] You knew, you knew they were going to play straight men to one another at some point.

[00:33:29] But you also knew that there were, that you were going to see them break out of that role and do something else.

[00:33:37] And be that comedian.

[00:33:39] It's like how every actor wants to be a villain.

[00:33:42] It's just more fun to be freed up and not have to play by any rules.

[00:33:47] But at the same time, it affects how people perceive you on set versus on screen versus in media.

[00:33:55] But I think I, I think we can all applaud anyone who takes a risk, but I think we can also appreciate these guys for just, I mean, I don't know anyone who just flat out just hates them or acts like they weren't one of the comedy greats.

[00:34:11] I think they're all kind of ingrained in somebody's comedic blood, even if you've only seen a few of their skits or TV specials.

[00:34:19] I mean, even if the only thing you saw, you've seen of them is who's on first.

[00:34:25] Yeah.

[00:34:25] Or just the universal crossovers.

[00:34:28] Yeah.

[00:34:28] Exactly.

[00:34:29] If all you know of Abbot and Costello is who's on first, that in and of itself is the, is a microcosm of what they did.

[00:34:39] Combination of wordplay, combination of, of just comedic timing and straight man versus funny man dynamic.

[00:34:48] And it, it, you can follow it, even though it's so confusing.

[00:34:54] And you say, who's on first?

[00:34:55] What's on second?

[00:34:56] Who's on third?

[00:34:58] Just the little things like that.

[00:34:59] Even today I will be walking around and with my, my wife will say something like, I don't know.

[00:35:03] And then we'll both try out third base.

[00:35:05] Yeah.

[00:35:07] Well, and there's something else too.

[00:35:10] I mean, like, I can remember watching laughing as a kid when they were rerunning it on Nickelodeon, Nick at Night.

[00:35:19] And, you know, you know, Rowan and Martin.

[00:35:24] Okay.

[00:35:25] They were a good comedy team.

[00:35:28] Um, I always look at Peter Cook and Dudley Moore as kind of the spiritual, uh, the spiritual, uh, like sons of Abbot and Costello.

[00:35:43] Because, you know, there are, there are the Pete and Dud sketches where, you know, it was, you know, the two of them playing these two guys.

[00:35:54] Yeah.

[00:35:54] You know, it was in last night.

[00:35:56] Yeah.

[00:35:57] I was going to sleep.

[00:35:58] Yeah.

[00:35:58] And, uh, I've, I've, I thought something funny, you know, funny.

[00:36:03] He's like, what, what, what was it dad?

[00:36:05] He's like, Oh, I was thinking funny, funny, you know, yeah.

[00:36:09] What was it dad?

[00:36:10] I just, it's, it's, it was, you know, the way it was, was Peter was, Peter Cook was a great straight man who could make Dudley Moore crack up just by saying something.

[00:36:22] And Dudley Moore, Dudley Moore could be like that, you know, that, that one little thing when they would do, you know, do stuff like that together.

[00:36:30] Burns and Alan, the same way, you know, Burns would, Burns would like just hurl something off and Gracie would just start building on it, you know?

[00:36:38] So, um, Dean Martin, Jerry Lewis, I, I don't know.

[00:36:44] It's like, I can't.

[00:36:47] It depends on how they're situated or framed.

[00:36:50] Yeah.

[00:36:52] I mean, you got a battle of egos there.

[00:36:56] Yeah.

[00:36:57] I, I, I, I, uh, link up, uh, Martin and Lewis more to hope and Crosby.

[00:37:03] Yeah.

[00:37:04] I've been in Costello because you've got the, she got the singer.

[00:37:07] You've got the, and the, yeah, man, this is really wild, man.

[00:37:12] That's a lot.

[00:37:14] Yeah.

[00:37:15] But yeah, but they, they both had their talents.

[00:37:18] They both had timing.

[00:37:19] They both were geniuses in their craft, but the, but they weren't strictly straight man comedian.

[00:37:29] No.

[00:37:30] They were, they were slight comedian versus more comedian.

[00:37:35] Yeah.

[00:37:36] Never the twain shall meet.

[00:37:40] And if your twain never meets, I'd go see a doctor.

[00:37:43] Um, yeah, if your twain lasts for more than four hours, please consult your doctor.

[00:37:48] You know, did you guys ever watch the SNL show with, uh, Nathan Lane, where he played officer Luke Costello?

[00:37:56] I don't think I've seen that skit, but I'd love Nathan.

[00:37:59] I, he, he comes on weekend update because I remember like back in the nineties, they found like a mummified corpse in some guy's apartment.

[00:38:08] And he says, and, and, and, and, and Norm MacDonald, God bless him.

[00:38:13] I was like, well, we have a police officer here, Mr. Mr. Mr. Officer Luke Costello.

[00:38:19] And Nathan Lane comes out.

[00:38:23] And I swear I, I was watching him.

[00:38:27] He was, he became Luke Costello says, my partner, chick.

[00:38:31] And I went into the, into the, where'd you go?

[00:38:34] We went to the apartment and we sort of mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom.

[00:38:40] What'd you say in that?

[00:38:41] He starts, he starts hitting him.

[00:38:44] He looks at him and says, you know, butt hit a little less harder than you do.

[00:38:48] Oh, damn.

[00:38:50] And you know, it's just, we, we sort of, I saw them, I saw them.

[00:38:58] What, you saw the money?

[00:39:02] Yeah.

[00:39:03] And this triggered a memory.

[00:39:04] I don't know whether it's exactly true, but I could, I can, I, I can swear that Phil Hartman actually played Bud Abbott in a sketch on SNL.

[00:39:14] I was looking up.

[00:39:15] I, I could be completely off on that, but it's, it seems to be there.

[00:39:23] Well, here's something funny.

[00:39:26] Um, there was an actor named Ron Masick.

[00:39:30] If you know him, uh, you'd see him.

[00:39:32] He was in laser blast.

[00:39:34] He played the sheriff.

[00:39:35] Oh, wow.

[00:39:36] Yeah.

[00:39:37] Okay.

[00:39:40] He did a commercial as Luke Costello.

[00:39:45] With a guy playing Bud Abbott.

[00:39:47] And he was phenomenal.

[00:39:50] Cause he did the whole thing.

[00:39:52] And I had to do Luke.

[00:39:52] He could keep the Luke Costello's voice down pat.

[00:39:55] It's like with Chuck McCann and some other guy, they used to do Laurel and Hardy.

[00:39:59] For a Delco windshield wipers.

[00:40:01] If anybody remembers those commercials.

[00:40:03] Oh, wow.

[00:40:03] Oh yeah.

[00:40:04] Yeah.

[00:40:05] Yeah.

[00:40:06] Stanley, what'd you do?

[00:40:08] You tell me, I need to get the windshield.

[00:40:11] Yeah.

[00:40:12] And they would do that.

[00:40:13] He said, I told you to get Delco wipers, you know?

[00:40:16] Um, but the great thing was that, you know, there's, I mean, just to see that, uh,

[00:40:28] to see that and then to see, you know, if they had done a movie about Abbott and Costello

[00:40:32] again, I mean, I would have seen Nathan Lane play Luke Costello.

[00:40:37] Cause he's, he looks like him so much.

[00:40:41] Yeah.

[00:40:41] Right.

[00:40:42] You know, and, and I'll say this, you know, he would have made a great Lou, you know, just

[00:40:48] the way he would have played him, you know?

[00:40:50] And, uh, you know, when he does that, that skit with Norm MacDonald, I, I was, I was on

[00:40:57] the, my mother and me.

[00:40:58] And I think my mother and me were up late one night and I think I was under the influence

[00:41:04] of something.

[00:41:05] And he came on and he was doing Lou Costello.

[00:41:08] And I was, he's doing the whole, I walked in into that closet.

[00:41:13] And he's like, and I said, I said, and I'm laughing.

[00:41:21] And it's like, nobody, it's like, everybody's falling on like the sketch is kind of bombing.

[00:41:30] But if you're, if you're, if you're Abedin Costello fan, you know, he's imitating Lou Costello.

[00:41:36] He's got like the cap on sideways a little bit, you know,

[00:41:39] The way his bearding is, you can kind of tell it.

[00:41:42] Yeah.

[00:41:43] He's doing the whole bit.

[00:41:45] And I, and I'm laughing and I'm trying hard not to just lose it.

[00:41:50] And my mother's like, are you okay?

[00:41:51] I said, mom, you got to watch this.

[00:41:53] And she's like, she's watching.

[00:41:54] And she starts laughing because she knows, you know, she, it was in our family.

[00:41:59] My father had a great book, um, the films of Abedin Costello.

[00:42:03] I think I still have it somewhere.

[00:42:06] Um, you know, I might've read that actually years ago at a library.

[00:42:11] Yeah.

[00:42:12] It had, uh, you know, it had, you know, the, the movies of Bud and Luna had, you know, it

[00:42:18] has, you know, it has the 30 foot bride of candy rock in there too.

[00:42:22] Um, was that a horror movie?

[00:42:27] Might've been.

[00:42:30] What's his name again?

[00:42:32] The 30 foot bride of candy rock.

[00:42:35] And somebody was in that playing the street man.

[00:42:38] Hold on.

[00:42:40] American comedy.

[00:42:42] I know there was a military, there was a military guy that.

[00:42:45] Yeah.

[00:42:46] It's a sci-fi movie.

[00:42:47] Yeah.

[00:42:48] Making fun of the 50 foot woman type.

[00:42:51] Sure.

[00:42:51] I'm trying to remember what it looked like.

[00:42:54] Or, you know, what it was like, but I just remember that movie, not really getting good

[00:42:58] reviews or, you know, and deservedly so.

[00:43:03] Yeah.

[00:43:04] And I, I think it was, why don't you think it was either Richard Deacon was in that movie?

[00:43:12] I don't know.

[00:43:12] Somebody played, somebody was playing like.

[00:43:16] Sergeant.

[00:43:19] And I just see.

[00:43:25] Yeah.

[00:43:25] Costello edited, uh, credited for this one.

[00:43:28] And.

[00:43:31] Gail Gordon as Rossiter.

[00:43:33] Gail Gordon.

[00:43:34] That's who it was.

[00:43:35] It Gail Gordon is straight man.

[00:43:39] Yeah.

[00:43:39] Well, Mrs. Carmichael.

[00:43:43] Multiple roles on.

[00:43:45] So balls various sitcoms.

[00:43:47] Wow.

[00:43:48] Well, well known to be Mr.

[00:43:50] Mr. Mooney on, uh, here's Lucy.

[00:43:54] The Lucy.

[00:43:55] Yeah.

[00:43:55] No, you know, he was supposed to play Fred Mertz.

[00:43:58] Oh, damn.

[00:43:59] And he couldn't get.

[00:44:00] I didn't know that.

[00:44:02] He couldn't get, he couldn't get out of it.

[00:44:04] So, uh, they hired Bill Frawley.

[00:44:06] But the great thing I love about Gail Gordon is he played Mr. Wilson after the other Mr.

[00:44:10] Wilson died.

[00:44:12] Jeez.

[00:44:15] Man.

[00:44:17] He was Mr. Wilson's brother.

[00:44:19] Wow.

[00:44:20] I think it was after the second or third season Dennis the menace, the guy died in real life.

[00:44:24] And, you know, they had to do the friendly.

[00:44:26] Like, you know, he, he's out of town bit.

[00:44:31] They had a little bit.

[00:44:32] They're like, Oh, what happened?

[00:44:33] Oh, he's out of town visiting his sister.

[00:44:36] But here's his brother.

[00:44:37] And his brother.

[00:44:38] And the thing I love about that Gail Gordon and that Mr.

[00:44:40] Mr.

[00:44:41] Mr.

[00:44:43] Wilson rolls.

[00:44:44] He's a little bit more understanding of Dennis.

[00:44:49] What was American?

[00:44:51] What happened was Dick Sargent busy.

[00:44:54] Yeah.

[00:45:01] Oh, man, this has been fun guys.

[00:45:03] Because we're kind of just honoring our comedy icons, but we're also just loving how they lasted for the decades in pop culture.

[00:45:12] I mean, sure, there's some Looney Tunes cartoons, but I don't really remember those as much as synopsis they did of say WC Fields or Dragnet.

[00:45:22] Well, you know, they did.

[00:45:26] Warner Brothers did three shorts with two cats that were like Abbott and Costello.

[00:45:36] Yeah, yeah.

[00:45:36] Yeah.

[00:45:37] Those are the ones that they did.

[00:45:38] Hey, Bandit!

[00:45:41] I don't even remember him doing that in real life.

[00:45:44] Yeah, it's kind of like, it kind of goes back to like, are you doing an impression of Sean Connery or are you doing Sean Connery on SNL?

[00:45:53] You know, it's something called the Shatnerisms.

[00:45:55] It's just like, it's going to happen.

[00:45:57] It's, however you sound to one person, however popular the spoof is kind of.

[00:46:04] It's depending upon whether I'm stooping Trebek's wife.

[00:46:10] Knock, knock.

[00:46:11] Who's there?

[00:46:12] Boo.

[00:46:13] Boo your mother, Trebek.

[00:46:14] I'm banging her in the behind.

[00:46:19] Oh, man.

[00:46:21] Yeah, there's a reason why.

[00:46:23] Yeah, there's a reason why comedians like Andrew Dice Clay and Dane Cook will be forgotten.

[00:46:32] But Abbott and Costello will be forever.

[00:46:36] Oh, yeah.

[00:46:37] Don't get me started on today's comedians who are complaining, I'm going to get canceled.

[00:46:41] I'm like, or maybe you're just not clever.

[00:46:44] What have you done besides bitch, bitch, bitch?

[00:46:48] The thing I always said about Abbott and Costello is it's that material that you can go back and watch over and over and over again.

[00:46:55] It's very timely.

[00:46:57] Seinfeld is a big fan.

[00:47:02] He's a big fan.

[00:47:16] Mm hmm.

[00:47:17] You know, three's company was like that, too.

[00:47:20] I think in some points, you know, you know, the great thing.

[00:47:23] And that's the thing.

[00:47:24] You always look back and you see Lucas, you know, but in Lou, you know, I was like these icons of like.

[00:47:32] Just shoot, you know, just trying to, you know, they're like.

[00:47:36] They're like, it's the cat.

[00:47:40] It's like the point where you're watching.

[00:47:41] You're going, OK, how is it?

[00:47:43] Where's this going to end?

[00:47:44] Like when he does the whole sketch about, you know, go forward, you know, go back.

[00:47:49] OK, go ahead.

[00:47:51] Back up.

[00:47:51] Go ahead.

[00:47:52] Let me go ahead.

[00:47:53] That whole thing is like it's it's how sometimes it's like how Monty Python would work, you know, or, you know, you know.

[00:48:03] And yeah, but I'll take a step further.

[00:48:05] They actually Mystery Science Theater 3000 actually did an homage to happening at Costello.

[00:48:12] I'm sure that go forward back back in the giant heel monster.

[00:48:16] Oh, yes.

[00:48:17] Oh, I forgot about that.

[00:48:20] I didn't mean to rewatch that one.

[00:48:22] But now I have a reason.

[00:48:24] Yeah, exactly.

[00:48:25] You will.

[00:48:26] If you remember that.

[00:48:29] Remember the scene where they're trying to get the get the vehicle out or something like that these.

[00:48:33] We have the French lady who is driving.

[00:48:37] Do you want me to go forward?

[00:48:39] Different things like that.

[00:48:41] That's exactly the Albany Costello bit just throwing in with a little bit of a French accent.

[00:48:47] Mm hmm.

[00:48:49] Do you want me to go forward?

[00:48:51] Back up.

[00:48:52] Go forward.

[00:48:53] Go forward.

[00:48:53] Go ahead.

[00:48:55] What's happening on the altitude issue.

[00:48:56] Go forward.

[00:48:56] Go on.

[00:48:57] Go forward and liberationだけ.

[00:48:59] Go ahead.

[00:49:00] Go give me the altitude issue.

[00:49:04] Go ahead, go ahead.

[00:49:05] Go guide, go ahead, go ahead, go back up, get ready.

[00:49:05] Yeah.

[00:49:11] Go ahead, go ahead.

[00:49:13] Go ahead.

[00:49:15] Go ahead, go ahead.

[00:49:17] Go ahead.

[00:49:19] Go ahead.

[00:49:21] In those nichtsuminados are the same thing, because it was very, you know,

[00:49:23] you can't recognize me, you're pretty much more, but I asked You, probably

[00:49:24] There were three or four things that he loved comic-wise.

[00:49:30] He loved the Marx Brothers.

[00:49:32] My boy.

[00:49:33] He loved the Three Stooges.

[00:49:36] He loved Abbott and Costello.

[00:49:39] And he loved Jack Benny.

[00:49:43] And my mother, my father, he tolerated Bob Hope.

[00:49:49] You know, because Bob Hope was kind of a letdown for him, you know.

[00:49:56] Because Bob Hope was the same fucking thing all the time, you know, looking lecherous.

[00:50:00] And, you know, he loved watching the road movies with him and Crosby.

[00:50:05] Yes.

[00:50:06] I love the one, Alias Jesse James.

[00:50:10] My father and me one time were sitting there and we were watching Alias Jesse James at the end where there's the gunfight and all the Western stars show up.

[00:50:19] Like they got Bat Masterson and, you know, Gary Cooper shows up and, you know, Tonto shows up.

[00:50:27] You know, they're all helping him shoot out in the end.

[00:50:29] And my father was laughing.

[00:50:31] And then, like, the last part, it's Big Crosby shoots him.

[00:50:34] He says, yep, this guy's going to need all the help he can get.

[00:50:41] That's why I'm teaching my son Gary.

[00:50:44] Boom, boom, boom, boom.

[00:50:46] Gary, you're a little bit overweight.

[00:50:47] I'm going to have you a sad hit with Big Brown Bill.

[00:50:49] Now it's your big boys and band.

[00:50:55] You know the one thing that gets me, though?

[00:50:58] Like, you never hear anything bad about those two in their private life.

[00:51:03] I mean, like, nothing where they were like, you know.

[00:51:06] Yeah.

[00:51:08] You know, that's the one thing I love about them.

[00:51:10] Other than Vices, but nothing to the point where at all.

[00:51:13] Yeah, they were prolific gamblers, you know.

[00:51:16] But, you know, they were.

[00:51:19] You know, but back then, who wasn't, you know.

[00:51:21] Yeah.

[00:51:24] But, you know, I just want to say, I mean, if you want, you go back to what you said about people being canceled today on the stay and age.

[00:51:31] It's like comedy back then.

[00:51:37] There's no swearing.

[00:51:40] There's no, you know.

[00:51:43] Trying to upstage the other.

[00:51:45] I'm trying to upstage the other.

[00:51:47] I mean, there is some, like, sexual entendre, but it's not, like, dirty.

[00:51:53] It's, like, funny.

[00:51:55] You know, like, there's one where she's, like, this woman comes out, she's like, I can't move my car.

[00:52:00] I might be late.

[00:52:01] You know, I can't miss my date at the beauty parlor.

[00:52:04] I think Bud Abbott looks at her and goes, yeah, you sure can't.

[00:52:07] You know?

[00:52:11] Yeah.

[00:52:12] Risqué is as far as they would go.

[00:52:15] I think the 80s ruined it a bit, but I think by the 2000s, I think we're now in the investor stage where whoever is big in whatever country, that has come back and kind of ruined a lot of productions that might have otherwise turned out okay.

[00:52:33] Yeah.

[00:52:34] And it's just, I think also just, again, comedians are, again, worried about, now that they have so much more to experiment with, there's also kind of a lot of oversaturation.

[00:52:46] So, instead of being worried, did I kill it at a comedy club, they're now, well, I might suck, but did I peak on, you know, TikTok that day?

[00:52:57] Yeah, looking for the wrong audience.

[00:53:00] Algorithms.

[00:53:00] It's like, yeah, they watched you.

[00:53:02] That doesn't mean they liked you.

[00:53:04] Yeah, I see people trying to be funny on TikTok, and I'm like, you don't have it, you know?

[00:53:10] And I've even tried to do a funny video, and I look back, and I'm like, nah, it doesn't work.

[00:53:15] Just stick to making memes, because anyone can make them.

[00:53:17] But, I mean, also just know your limit.

[00:53:21] Yeah.

[00:53:23] Yeah, know what you can do.

[00:53:26] That's the big key.

[00:53:29] Yeah.

[00:53:30] Abin Costello knew what their roles were.

[00:53:32] They knew how to do them exceptionally well.

[00:53:35] And that made them the team, as far as I'm concerned.

[00:53:41] Yeah.

[00:53:43] And, Tom, I can't help but agree with you.

[00:53:45] They are probably the golden standard to which any comedy team, you know, like, you know,

[00:53:52] I see Martin and Lewis, yeah, you know, to a point.

[00:53:55] But towards the end, it got to be kind of, you know, the same damn story over and over again.

[00:54:01] You know, Laurel and Hardy, yeah.

[00:54:05] But they kind of puttered out.

[00:54:08] Yeah.

[00:54:08] Stooges, we like them, but at the same time, then once Curly leaves, then it's a whole different story.

[00:54:14] So.

[00:54:15] Yeah.

[00:54:15] Once Shemp, yeah, once Shemp and Curly are gone, you know, gets to be different altogether.

[00:54:21] The Marx Brothers, great up until, you know, honestly, a day at the races.

[00:54:27] And then it goes downhill from there, you know.

[00:54:31] Yeah.

[00:54:33] I can't really think of a time when Abbott and Costello dipped at all.

[00:54:39] Or they.

[00:54:39] Or it looked like they didn't want to be there, you know.

[00:54:41] Yeah.

[00:54:42] Because we mentioned a few we were disappointed by, but hardly anything that would make the

[00:54:46] bottom 100, you know.

[00:54:50] Yeah.

[00:54:51] I mean, it's like.

[00:54:53] There's a point where you watch some of their stuff and it's like, OK, we've been given

[00:54:56] this script.

[00:54:57] Let's do the best we can do with it.

[00:54:58] And they do the best they can do with it.

[00:55:00] And it sometimes is better than what they have put in front of them, you know.

[00:55:04] And then there are some there are some points where, you know, you're given a script like,

[00:55:09] let's say, Love Happy by the Marx Brothers, which is supposed to be a solo thing for Harpo.

[00:55:14] And that falls apart, you know, because, you know, Groucho didn't want to do it.

[00:55:19] And Chico is, you know, Chico just did it.

[00:55:21] Chico did it for the money.

[00:55:23] And.

[00:55:26] The Chico did the money.

[00:55:28] You know, I mean, Grand Night and Casablanca to me is the last great movie they did together.

[00:55:33] But.

[00:55:34] Yeah.

[00:55:34] You know, the three studios, you know, even with Curly Joe.

[00:55:39] The Rita, you know, they they were kind of like pushing.

[00:55:45] You know, pushing and pushing and pushing and trying to get, you know, it's a point where

[00:55:49] you're just like, I can't we can't do this anymore, you know.

[00:55:54] That's pretty much it.

[00:55:58] But.

[00:55:59] It's been a delight, guys, because when we talk about these guys, we're also just reminding

[00:56:03] everybody.

[00:56:05] They came.

[00:56:06] They saw.

[00:56:08] And they did.

[00:56:09] And they were.

[00:56:10] He was a bad little boy.

[00:56:14] He was a stinker.

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[00:56:42] Shake it real good.

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[00:56:46] What's going to happen?

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