Monty Python Retrospect Part 3

[00:01:51] It's a JackedUpReviewShow It's a JackedUpReviewShow Oh, JackedUp Eddie, we are wrapping up the Python discussion. Giving a little more closure to the movies because they did as James outlined it and Mike was hypnotic about. And Tom and I were also just dying

[00:02:33] to just reference more of the movies. And it's like, yeah, they deserve their own corner. And so we've already outlined kind of the order of things, but we're just going to kind of just sum up why the various skits work, why which of them are more, you know,

[00:02:52] bigger in pop culture versus the other and how you will listener can introduce them in today's world. Yeah, I mean, the first, you got to think the movies that they did, the first one they do is, and now for something completely different. And that's like a great recreation.

[00:03:10] Yeah. He was meant to introduce them into the United States. It didn't do too well. It got to be kind of an underground cult classic, you know, college movie. And they were, you know, they were trying to break into the American market

[00:03:27] to have a movie like that where you have the couple of skits for the first season, a couple of skits from the second season. And it does conjoin well with each other. You know, there are, it does seem like an hour and a half,

[00:03:38] I think it's maybe a little bit shorter, an hour, hour and a half, maybe hour 20 of, you know, the greatest hits of the show. And, you know, they have, you know, the Hungarian phrase book they have, you know, how not to be seen, you know, the dead parrot.

[00:03:53] Yes. You know, the, I want, you know, I'm a lumber, you know, the dead parrot going to I'm a lumberjack, you know, the upper class, twit of the year, you know, those are some great, great sketches. And, you know, I think what I found out was that,

[00:04:09] I think Columbia, you know, just like, just told them, you know, how to defend yourself against fresh fruit. They said, just do the sketches you think will work and then put them together and then have the running order and that's it, you know,

[00:04:25] like the restaurant sketch, nudge, nudge, you know, all that stuff. Because some of those sketches in that first and second season probably wouldn't have fit very well. But, you know, you've got the dead parrot sketch and everybody has seen the dead parrot sketch.

[00:04:38] And, you know, they know I'm a lumberjack, you know, they know upper class, twit of the year, they know how to defend yourself against fresh fruit. They know, you know, that's the great thing about that movie. But it was, it didn't do, you know, it didn't do well

[00:04:55] and then I think the guy who was the producer, Victor Lowens was a member of the Playboy Club. And I think Playboy had a hand in it or something like that production wise. That makes sense. I mean, if there's any trend with these movies,

[00:05:12] usually with any other franchise, especially ones we've covered, it's always been a twist of faith or just infamous types playing around with money. In this case, you pretty much have so many people with time on their hands and a lot of flexibility

[00:05:32] who wanna make some money on the side and that just works in the Python's favor. It's great. And the thing was, was that that came out, they do the third and fourth seasons. And then when I was looking up research

[00:05:44] on Holy Grail was that they filmed Holy Grail before the fourth season. So that was 70% Oh wow. But technically this is last. That makes better sense though, because they don't feel like they're having to warm up again or get back in the zone. They already were there,

[00:06:04] they're just doing it on the side. And I guess that's kind of also assumes why they're so grateful for any kind of fanfare is like they didn't know what was gonna be bigger than the other skits and comedy they're doing. And the thing was,

[00:06:17] was that you have a bunch of guys who are scholars. So they went back and they were looking at medieval, like they didn't want to make it look like a medieval, like a medieval costume drama, like back in the 40s and the 50s.

[00:06:37] Right, not a carny or a circus. You wanna make it look like an actual recreation and then the humor happened during this time. I remember being in college and there was one of the guys who was a professor there says, oh yeah, I'm teaching medieval history

[00:06:55] and I take out Monty Python and the Holy Grail to show the kids. This is what it really was. And if you watch the scene, the movie itself is amazing to have a search for the Holy Grail, but to have King Arthur and his knights

[00:07:13] be going through these comedic passages is, I mean, the writing, I mean, Mike said it best to me before. It's their duck soup. It really is. You're making fun of all the heathens, all the different elites and classes. And then you're going,

[00:07:34] having so many other running gags like Lancelot is brave, but not the brightest and he just slaughters without reason. Yeah. I mean, the thing I love is the opening when they go to the castle and they're debating how did coconuts get to England? Yes.

[00:07:53] I'm glad you brought that up because there are so many jokes about that and the witches that go over everyone's head. Most people are gonna just instantly go to the table and the nuns. And then they meet, then they meet like Sir Bedivere who's wise

[00:08:11] and how do they, how do you know she's a witch? Well, if she weighs the same as the duck, then she's a witch. And they're like, they're like, you know, he's trying to do the scientific method, you know, of how you see it in the beginning.

[00:08:26] He's like, he's kind of- He's not very good at it either. He goes up to a bird and tries to fly off and it falls down, you know? And the thing I love about that, the thing that's great about that is that, you know, you're watching it

[00:08:40] and you're thinking to yourself, okay, how does this wind up? How is this gonna wind up? It wasn't like, they were learned and they knew how to, they put this script together and it was just- I've only when they tried to ambush a kingdom but they're thinking,

[00:08:58] how about we have a Trojan horse but then they launched the horse and you're like, no! We're supposed to sneak in inside the horse. He's like, so what happens? Well, you, Celeste, and I jump out of the horse. Yep, yep. Oh God. Taking the French fry surprise.

[00:09:18] Who's that again? You, Celeste? Yeah, they can't do anything. Tim the Conqueror is a good one making fun of like the monkey's paw, kind of just fortune teller who sends them off to their desks and then they are all hesitate.

[00:09:34] Yeah, I would be remiss if I didn't bring up one of my favorite lines of Python that in Holy Grail, but often gets overlooked. It's only a model. Nope, no. Better. It's like a bearer on the Arthur and said, and that's how I know the earth is banana,

[00:09:51] to be banana shake. Yes, they're telling me, how can you keep flatters to predict earthquakes? Well, oh. Ha ha ha. But the thing I love is he's like, they're riding through, they do the bring out your dead sketch. And he's like- Yeah, oh my God.

[00:10:09] He's like, how you like they're riding through this. Who's that? Must be a king. How do you tell? Doesn't have shit all over. Shit all over. Oh yeah. There's that. My brother used to have a ringtone on his phone which was your mother's spilt of elderberries

[00:10:26] and I got the joke that that's the material they made for, you know, why can that- As much as I love Cleese's obscenities and stuff and that my favorite line forever and probably in the whole movie is, is there someone else up there we can talk to? Yes.

[00:10:46] It's like anybody's trying to call to get something fixed on the phone. It just, it's perfect. Oh man. Oh. I know it's a poverty central version when I forget what night is getting nursed back to help by the nuns. They censor out the oral sex bit. Yeah.

[00:11:04] Or they're just yelling that out loud and you're like, oh. The part I love is the get on with it. Get on with it. I feel that. You're doing a bit. You're exploring Oscar winning movie from this point forward and everyone instantly knows what I'm referencing.

[00:11:20] Get on with it. And the thing I love, the one scene everybody loves is the killer rabbit. I think that's- Oh absolutely. I own a bat and bunny. Most sustain piece of humor I've ever seen in a movie. It is definitely,

[00:11:39] I think that's why it also has a play, a bigger place in Pop Colesers. There's just so many gore hounds who just love the off color comedy. Well, please. It was funny. Yeah. And the holy hand grenade. The holy hand grenade of Benkeiok. Yeah.

[00:11:56] It stops the film dead. Now I do this whole ceremony. Oh and- But- No, I mean it a good way. I don't mean it- It's a good way. And the lifelines are again, just much like even plays like Greater Tuna

[00:12:09] and like the many Star Wars and Jim Henson guys. You just cannot help but just love how they seamlessly are playing multiple characters all in the same scene and it just at all matches up. And you're like man I wonder how many takes.

[00:12:23] I wonder if they had to have a stand-in. You know, like for Terrigaidle or Terrigillium. What they would do is like if it was like Cleese playing Tim D. Enchanter, they would have his character with a helmet on. So then there was- Yeah.

[00:12:39] Or they would do more he would like, they would shoot from the back and then, you know, they do like the fake shamp thing, you know? You know the- Oh okay. So someone else is playing Lance a lot in that same scene, gotcha.

[00:12:51] The thing I love is when they go to fight the killer rabbit, you know, Sir Robin goes, I sold my armor. And he's like- Yes. And then he's like back and here I'm just going a little muffled, like a little muffled. I did it again. Absolutely.

[00:13:08] And I do think his song is the catchiest in here. Just the whole fact that he's a coward and he's proud of it. No, I didn't. I didn't. Oh I didn't know. He's in denial and you're just like, oh sure, sure, sure. You saying that?

[00:13:24] Everybody does, everybody I think over does the knights who say me. But I think the- They do. The one I was- I think it's the first one, but it's not the best. Yeah. But the one I love is the castle, the castle, you know, the father goes,

[00:13:40] one day lad, oh this'll be yours. What the curtain? What the curtain? What the curtain? Yeah. I mean that's the great thing about that is that when you watch it, when it came out in 75, that's when everything started rolling, for them over here. Public television got them

[00:14:03] and then Monty Python and the Holy Grail came out so it was kind of like a one, two punch. And the thing I love is that when they did the premieres, they had, I think the six guys split up.

[00:14:16] So one was in New York, one was in Chicago and I think one was in Los Angeles and they had the bright idea of giving out coconuts to everybody at the premiere. And Mike, you've got Monty Python and the Holy Grail on right now

[00:14:33] and you're in one of the best scenes I think in the movie when it comes down to it is Arthur versus the Black Knight. Yes. Totally a flesh one, yeah. You know, because- Don't be arms off. No, we didn't. No, we didn't. Come on, chicken, chicken.

[00:14:51] Right, I'll have your leg. I'll bite your legs off, yep. Good stuff. That was Terry Gilliam. Terry Gilliam always plays this dwarf troll-like character in these movies. In the cards, we can't talk enough about the coconuts. It's like we can't afford horses

[00:15:10] but that's, I think, the biggest strength. They introduced that up front so you know that the movie's breaking the fourth wall, not taking itself seriously. Yeah, it's based on radio. They would do a radio for sound effects. Right, yeah. So the movie industry people understand it.

[00:15:30] The college kids were down for the count and the general public already. I mean just the intro saying that this movie was customized together by a group of llamas who were very angry or something. He is. And actually- That'll, if you are not,

[00:15:47] you already know who's the different shit in the audience that they're taking. Seriously. But here's the thing, that was also a callback to something they did in the series. It was. There was a- It was a- Yeah, they did- There was something in one of the episodes

[00:16:09] where they had a big flash thing like that that they did in the movie where everything was llama, llama, llama. Oh, the llama? Yeah. Yeah. Where the guy, where Cleese comes out with Gilliam and Idol and they're playing- talking about llamas. And they're like, we are the llama.

[00:16:37] You guys know that- you know who put the finance up for this, right? Okay, so was it George Harrison? No. Well, okay. That was Brian. Okay. Oh, that's right, yeah. It was Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin and Ian Anderson from Jethro Tall. Okay, I didn't know that.

[00:16:55] I didn't know that. So all the UK, right? So all the- Yeah. They did an attack, right? And a lot of people- a lot of people realized that they were working with like an $800,000 budget at that time.

[00:17:10] I think it was maybe a little bit above that or below, I don't know. But they had to be economy. So like a lot of stuff, like, you know, they had to drive their own cars to the location, you know, they stayed in bed and breakfasts.

[00:17:23] You know, they were like- they were just really kind of like, and I think that's where Cleese got the idea for faulty towers. Because when they were- Oh! They were at- I ran the bed and breakfast or the inn they were staying at. It was a real prick.

[00:17:38] So, Cleese got this idea to get right about this hotel manager. And, you know, that's where he got the house. But you guys, I mean, we've seen him multiple, multiple times. And, you know, the thing I love is the ending of that movie. Yes. Oh, my God.

[00:17:57] They get interrupted by reporters and modern day police. Police come out and then the cops shoves the camera and the camera breaks and those are here. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. The elevator music plays on. It goes on and on for about three minutes too. You know, something's gonna happen and-

[00:18:15] What? Good night, folks. Yeah. Well, what's the final line that it's either Arthur or Robin? Some of them- one of them says one last thing as the cops are arresting them. Like, you can't have my sword or something like that. I don't know. I never heard it.

[00:18:30] I just- I just remember they bored out something and I never heard into like the fifth viewing. Yeah, there's a lot going on. Oh, yeah. Well, that's just it. And I think that's the joy. Just every time you watch it, you will find something new. Mm-hmm.

[00:18:45] If you guys can indulge me for a minute, just for a second here. I just thinking about these movies, I realize I watched most of these second run at a movie theater in town. Like you. Yeah, the Easttown Theater. They show Python, probably all the movies eventually.

[00:19:04] The weird thing about that, I've just occurred to me, it's located right next to the theater. It's no longer there. It's a church now, but it's the same building. Anyway, it's located right next to Yes, your hot dog place. Yeah, a parking lot over.

[00:19:21] Now, if you've seen the movie American Pie, it's based in the writers, Living Grand Rapids. And there's a restaurant in there called Dog Years, and they based it on Yes, your dog. That's true. That's true. And that's where I again, right next to

[00:19:38] and I probably went to yesterday after the movie and had a couple, you know? That's as I know, I just I couldn't. I'm obsessed with sharing that. I don't know. Well, it's a Kevin hot dog. It is fun just always going in and just seeing famous locations

[00:19:55] or stuff that they're inspired by. It's even funnier when, especially if it's a long time TV show and you're trying to find locations that like match up the addresses that are set on screen. And then you're like, OK, well, we got it somewhat right.

[00:20:11] But that one, they clearly had to build a different exterior and another one. Well, I just want to clarify, they didn't actually film in here, but it is based on that restaurant. So that's kind of cool. Anyway, and a lot of those retro cinemas

[00:20:25] will often do a good job of having like usher's or trivia night games before the main feature. It's yeah. I see that's what sucks about where I live, because we don't I think most of the effort doing like anything like that

[00:20:39] is like Ridgewood or Ridgewood by where I live, because there's, you know, I think they're afraid to like open up a movie theater here or something like that. But I've known similar stuff like that. You take away the Angelica theater and the rest of the time,

[00:20:56] everyone just seems to want to just. Again, like they'll have very obscure screenings at an AMC theater and you're like, why didn't you promote that better? Like you would have had a big killing, a big crowd. It should not just be whatever Oscar winning or superhero movies playing.

[00:21:14] There can be something for everybody. They call those revival theaters, right? Yeah, yeah. We're looking to still have one wealthy street theater in town. Still does that there's there's long life and stuff like that. But and there will always be drive-ins.

[00:21:29] I know it's a word of mouth kind of business. And it's really no different than a mom and pop store. But I think the main issue is just ticket prices. There's just no you have to be able to bust your wallet

[00:21:43] and not everyone can do that on a monthly basis. Yeah, yeah. I think the thing the thing now is like, you know, with the Python movies is that, you know, they're still going to be, you know, the first two come out.

[00:21:56] Monty Python and the Holy Grail is like a massive hit. And they wait about a couple of years. And you got to realize there's, you know, at least those faulty towers. I just found Graham Chapman's like one episode of Down from the Trees,

[00:22:14] which was like another sketch show that he wrote with Douglas Adams. Oh, nice. I know that that Terry Jones who directed the month, you know, the Holy Grail with Gilliam, Terry Jones did Jabber. I think Terry Jones did and Michael Payne were doing ripping yarns.

[00:22:30] Terry Gilliam, Jabberwocky and Eric Idle did Rutland week on television, which then jumped over into the Ruttles. So by 77 78, they decide to get back together again. And the interviewer was this interviewer was talking to Eric Idle. He says, what are you guys going to do?

[00:22:53] And he says, well, we're going to do a movie called Jesus Christ, Lust for Glory. And and I remember reading this and they were like, and he was like, well, we really can't do anything about Christ because, you know, there's nothing really funny about Jesus.

[00:23:09] But, you know, what if we did somebody who was there at the time and he was like, you know, everything happened wrong with him? Like, you know, like he's going, he wants to go to the Last Supper.

[00:23:22] But as well as family shows up, you know, he goes to the sort of like the great thing about and so that's where it got to be the genesis of life of Brian, which was. You know, I think they filmed it over in.

[00:23:41] I think I did hear about that filming location. I know it's also one of Roger Christian's first art direction credits. That's right. The same guy who designed the Death Star and Star Wars. What an Oscar for it, as well as the that design in the original alien

[00:23:56] and then went on to do some infamous sci fi blockbusters. That was his one of his. Yeah, but what is he really done? Well, they really done for a stretch. And they really don't. They went back and they were reading like the old, you know,

[00:24:16] this the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Old Testament and the New Testament. And, you know, they were looking into history and they, you know, they had to get I think there's a point where they said, OK, we have to have the steeped into.

[00:24:30] The history of what was going on at that time in Judea and 33 AD. But we have to have a sense of humor about it. And the thing I love is. It opens with the sermon on the Mount, the life of Brian.

[00:24:45] Now, this is this is something I found out EMI who was doing the production on it. Yeah, pulled out and they had to stop for like a couple of weeks. And Eric I was like, I was talking to George Harrison.

[00:25:00] And he's like, you know, I don't know what we're going to do. You know, we're going to shoot. We want to shoot this movie. But at George Harrison said, well, you know what I could do? How much do you need?

[00:25:08] Well, you know, we need like, you know, he gave me an answer. You know what I'll do? I'll put my house up as collateral. That's what it was. Yeah. You know, the movie. And he might pull on because of the sacrilegious aspect. I think so.

[00:25:25] And well, to that point, I remember I can definitely speak for a fact that in the 2000s, you know, there there was always video stores that refused to allow one to rent anything like the last temptation or Christ or or, you know, passion of the cries.

[00:25:47] But, you know, the greatest story ever told or the Bible was fair game. But it seemed like this video stores were a little more lax on this one. Chances were if you were if they allowed South Park,

[00:26:02] they were going to probably still let this one slip by because they're like, hey, it's a comedy. It's Monty Python. Well, it's interesting. If you watch Life of Brian, Christ appears at the ceremony of the model like James was saying, but it's more about the people.

[00:26:19] Yeah, it's a very. How he's saying that what he's saying is wrong. I'm not. Yeah, yeah. And they started talking about what did he say? You know, and they, you know, it's all about how people misinterpret the Bible. You know, absolutely. Making fun of what they were making.

[00:26:34] And I think a lot of people miss that. Absolutely. I mean, but that's just it. Most religious zillots will just put up a shield and blindly follow. But you can't do that. Yeah, very dogmatic. You're right. Yeah. That's the thing. What I got.

[00:26:48] I got the point immediately, you know, growing up parochial school and everything. I knew what they were going. Yeah. So it's like. Where the Roman soldiers also kind of an inside joke to the various critics, much like kind of the the crooked cop sketch in Monty Python.

[00:27:04] I always think. I always think that was an in joke to censorship. Yeah. But when you see the beginning of Python, it's like it's kind of kind of Connolly who played Admiral P in Star Wars playing Christ, right? So many Star Wars.

[00:27:20] And he's blessed it over the peacemakers, blessed it over the me. And then it then it cuts back to the crowd and they're like maybe about 20, 30 deep. And you hear the guy say, speak up like that. And I mean, that's the funny part of it.

[00:27:35] And then because, you know, do you say, bless it all the cheese makers? They had my speakers back then. And you might have got the message across. This is also great for Terry.

[00:27:48] I feel on this outing because he gets to go back to being in drag again as Mary and all the other. It's just yeah, it's just great because he has that, you know, feminine voice down to it too. Brian, I told you your fault like the beginning of.

[00:28:06] The end is the three wise men showing up in, you know, at the manger and she gets the and Terry Jones and drag gets the shit scared out of her. She falls off her stool and she's like, yes, the gold in the mud, but the ball.

[00:28:21] No, I don't know. And all of a sudden they walk out, they run it back in and they take they take the gifts back and you see them going to the manger, you know, where Christ is and she get the baby's presence. Shut up. What?

[00:28:34] And the thing the thing about that is when you read about what they were doing during the productions, you find out, OK, Harrison Bank rolls it because, you know, he loved Monty Python. They were going to have Keith Moon show up when they were filming. Yeah.

[00:28:53] And he never made it because he was in such bad shape. I think he died shortly after he was like not there. And then not to be taken away on the album cover, which is hearing. Yeah. Yeah. And then if you want to see. Yeah.

[00:29:09] He's not to be taken away on their last last album. He's on. Yeah. But look up Roger Deltree's story about that. Howard Stern, he talks about. The last one. There was one particular song that the who was singing and

[00:29:28] if Moon was one of them, almost every member who tried singing that song ended up dead and they're like the song is cursed. Let's not sing it anymore. Yeah. Oh, I think I know which one too. And talk about it, I'm like, that is a weird coincidence. Yeah.

[00:29:45] But if you if you watch the if you watch the one scene where they're going through the there's worshiping the shoe in the gourd, there's an old guy in the middle, right? That guy is Spike Milligan. Spike Milligan was like their hero. So, you know, the goon show.

[00:30:05] Yes, from the goon show. He was on holiday in Tunisia. And he's right. He just happened to be on the set and he happened to run into him. He's like, hey, do you want to do a cameo in the movie? And he's like, OK, yeah, sure.

[00:30:17] But they said, just do whatever you want to do. So that's the part they all split off. So, you know, one follows the board, one follows the shoes. Now, now we must pray. Oh, Lord, for he has come to us like the seed into the

[00:30:30] and he just stops, he looks around, he goes like those snaps his fingers and walks away. Yes. I mean, that's the great thing about that. But I feel like Palin is having the most fun here as the emperor. Oh, yeah. Oh, yes. No, it's Pontius Pilate.

[00:30:47] No, it's Pontius. Yes. Yeah. And he's a wife, you know. He's like, oh, for the good of good. Do it. Go away now. There he is. He has a wife. Such command in that you're actually a little scared of him. He does. Yeah, much like how he is.

[00:31:06] Wait, are you Brazil? You're not going to mess with him, you know? No. And that's not to laugh. Yeah. I think this is why he got the villain rolling Terry Gillins Brazil. He's just very calm as the villain. Just very calculated.

[00:31:19] And you're like, comedians can scare me sometimes. I don't know how they find this dark angle and do it so well. Look at Albert Brooks and drive for Grand El-Aul. Yeah, Albert Brooks, Roger Robin Williams, all will be Goldberg, all those great.

[00:31:33] It's like Robin Williams with a five hour photo and there's another one. Yeah. Yeah. But even just his regular dramas where he's talking about dark stuff, just comedians. I get that they come from this dark place, but it is interesting how they can still channel it

[00:31:49] and make it amusing because most of us, we would just probably get some trauma if we were trying to make our own trauma still be funny. And the thing that gets me the most is there's a lot of cut out stuff in there.

[00:32:03] Like they have like them trying to old, you know, the famous George Harrison scene where George Harrison showed up for like a one day shoot. He flew to Tunisia. No, no, I think they were in Tunisia. They they were in Pinewood or something like that.

[00:32:21] And like, like they're introducing Brian because Brian is now the Messiah. They're like, they're like, Brian, we'd like to introduce you to Mr. Papadopoulos. He owns the place that you hear him go, hello like that. And you realize it's not George Harrison.

[00:32:35] It's actually Eric Eidel doing George Harrison's voice. OK. But is there footage in the outtake reel or something of that? Or no, there was footage where there was footage where they had a thing they had a suicide squad show up

[00:32:55] and they show up when Brian's on the cross or like where the Judean Suicide Squad were here to rescue. And it's it's it's it's King Otto and his Suicide Squad. They show up and they think they have like, you know,

[00:33:09] the the the Star of David's and like this is now to rescue you. And they all take their swords out and like stab themselves to death. Yeah, that's in the movie though, right? No, they cut it out and they put it back in

[00:33:23] because if you look carefully at the ending, there are these bodies on the ground and everyone's going like, what the fuck is with the bodies on the ground? And no one knew what it was till like later.

[00:33:35] OK, but then they start tapping their foot during Eric's song, too. Yeah. Yeah. That is probably the best ending I've ever ever heard for a comedy. You are singing a rendition of Always Look on the Bright Side of Life. That's a good idea.

[00:33:50] That that to me is probably the one of the best endings of a movie ever, because it's so poetic. It's great. It's not. And it's like a it's a complete twist on what you would expect. It's a crucifix. Yeah. So good. You're dead, but we're all dead together.

[00:34:10] Well, the love about that is like the crucifixion scene when they're when they're getting everybody to like, you know, go after the crucifixion and like Terry Gilliam and Eric Eidle are standing there as I was like, how do you see them? How do you see them?

[00:34:22] Terry games going, we got pitch of around the back. Yeah. And it's also the cuts and John Cleese leaves. And John Cleese leaves and they go, they go so that so like so Eric, I'll turn and just so telling you about your story.

[00:34:37] So well, I wasn't a crazy about him anyway. It's like it's like they've been putting on a fine, you know, but that's great. Cleese definitely is just in perfect command as the Roman foot soldier. But yeah, Gilliam and all that hairy makeup

[00:34:53] he is having a blast as the town creep. You know, and I also have to I also have to think back that the whole Latin graffiti. Oh, yes. Yes, I have to think and I and you can tell me if I'm wrong,

[00:35:11] but I have to think it has to go back to just school days for these guys when they when they were when they had to learn Latin as part of their education. What would graffiti look like in this day and age?

[00:35:24] But it's a little Bart Simpson on the chalkboard at the beginning of the Simpsons for so many episodes, too. Right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I want to later obviously, but still it's that all I want to do

[00:35:36] that as an in-joke in the Simpsons, having right Romans go home in Latin, you know, just like I think they might have at some point alluded to that I could be wrong. Yeah, episodes, but but. When the life of Brian came out, it was a hit.

[00:35:53] But there was so much controversy about it because everybody from the religious right basically just saw the movie and said, saw the title, heard about the movie, didn't see the movie and said, well, we're going to condemn you on this.

[00:36:07] I mean, I remember seeing video of police and Palin being on a talk show talking to, I think it was a bishop for the Roman Catholic Church in England. And some sorry. Yeah. And and some guy and this bishop's like the guy's like,

[00:36:25] well, you know, you make fun of Christ. I said, we don't make fun of Christ. Christ is Christ is the nearest thing we want to make fun of. What we make fun of is how people interpret religion. He's like, well, you're making fun of God.

[00:36:37] And there's there's the other guy there who's like, if you see him, he's like in a purple cassock with a purple, you know, beanie on his head. And he's like twirling his little crucifix and like you've come to find out later.

[00:36:48] The guy was like, you know, excommunicated for doing something very naughty. And. You know, he's like, well, I don't like the way you portray Jesus. And like Palin and please are going, we don't you don't see Jesus in the movie. You don't see him at all.

[00:37:04] You just you just you see him in the beginning and then we pan over. That's all you see. And my my parents when I went, I wanted to watch this as a kid. My parents. Rented it and they took my father got pissed about watching it

[00:37:22] because to him, it was sacrilegious. And my mother was trying to tell him, Frank, it's not sacrilegious. And he's like, well, they make fun of it. I'm like, no, no, no, they're not making fun of Jesus.

[00:37:33] And when we get to the next movie, it gets even better, what my father's reaction was, but I I watched them. I watched the life of Brian when I was in middle school and in high school. And I got it.

[00:37:45] I knew what the story was about is the history of religion, how people misinterpret everything and go off on these tanzas and Python. Yeah. And Python was poking the finger right at him. So you know. So to bring up a more contemporaneous parallel,

[00:38:04] the same thing happened with with Kevin Smith dogma. There were a lot of people who who when they're getting guns blazing saying, oh, this is the worst movie ever, blah, blah, blah, so on and so on. And it's like so sacrilegious.

[00:38:17] And then but I was sitting in a movie theater. There are people behind me who are just ragging on it and say, I don't get this and it's like it's it's the same thing that pythons are doing. They're pointing out how human interpretations of.

[00:38:34] Of what we're supposed to do. Yeah. Gets gets creates warped little. Warped little sex and how some of the more what the mother, the main, the main female character, she worked in a abortion clinic. The who better to represent than every man in this particular

[00:38:59] situation where you're dealing with angels, gods, the meditron. You see a flawed human being, but at the same time you see George Carlin is a priest. Yeah. Kind of saying that this that the church is perfect and then we're up thing yet well mistakes were made.

[00:39:16] Yeah, the Buddy Christ. I was I was in the movies with my with my fiance who you know my ex who's now my ex-wife. We were watching it and we were I was hysterical laughing and all and

[00:39:28] all I can say to myself was you know I think about it as a I think about it now. I think about it. I'm like I I want to go see the Passion of the Christ and I walked out. Okay.

[00:39:42] And and I was sitting there with a whole bunch of people who were like, you know, like going, you know, weeping. I was like, this is not this is a fucking snuff film. You know, this is a snuff film.

[00:39:54] You know, this is this is oh no, no, it's Christ. No, no, no, this is terrible. This is this is not something I want to see. And I want I got my money back now. Later, you know, I had a debate with somebody.

[00:40:09] I said, you know, I'd rather watch the life of Brian on Easter Sunday than watch the Passion of the Christ. And she said, why is it because it tells me how the truth about religion, how everybody's not torture porn. It's not torture porn. I can't resist.

[00:40:28] I got an argument with somebody at work because that same year that I think there was a movie called The Book of John, which was the Christ story. Oh no. With that I saw and that was much better than I didn't see

[00:40:41] Passion of the Christ, but I thought it's the same story. I think the other problem is it's not 90 minutes of torture. You know, all that that and there can be decent, you know, faith movies that don't have the extra judgemental and, you know,

[00:40:55] hate to you propaganda thrown in. But it's so hard because you never you pretty much much like any movie that has bad reviews. You've got to still unfortunately take the plunge to see if it has any merit on your own account because now nowadays we have so many.

[00:41:13] I really don't want to go on too big a tangent, but it just seems like I did this with a sci-fi web series recently on Amazon that had a bunch of Star Trek, Stargate and Buck Rogers actors in there. It had good effects, but the mockumentary type humor

[00:41:29] didn't work at all. And but the problem is I had to waste my time because all the one star reviews felt like they were five year olds or gamers who didn't know how to spell. Yeah, the five star reviews were clearly done by, you know,

[00:41:44] the filmmakers trying to adjust the rating for their score. And so I had to take the plunge. I don't know if it's any worth a shit until I waste my time. And unfortunately, it was a huge waste of time. Well, here's here's something I always think about, too.

[00:41:59] When when Life of Brian was released, you have to realize that they they said something. Eric Giles said something funny. He said he said we filmed in the same spot where Franco Zeffarelli tortured what's your part? The guy who played Christ in the Jesus Nazareth movie. Oh, really?

[00:42:17] Yeah. One of the same sound stages. No, same location. And on away by is like they were not. The movie itself is, you know, kind of the I've seen the Zeffarelli Christ. It's a great movie and I've seen the one movie.

[00:42:37] Jesus, when it was on HBO all the time, that's a great movie to watch too. There's that the 10 Commandments is harmless. It seems like nowadays, if you want to find a faith movie, you still unfortunately will have crappy lifetime home or channel production values and actors.

[00:42:53] So or you'll have propaganda like the Sound of Freedom where it's a Q and on movie. So you're just like I lose it nowadays. But if you look at earlier faith movies, they're harmless. They're no different than a Disney movie.

[00:43:05] The greatest story ever told is one of the greatest faith movies of all time. But the thing is a very laid back movie. Yeah. The thing I've said about Life of Brian is that, you know, the history of religion is summed up in that one scene.

[00:43:17] Follow the shoe, follow the board and they get the shoe thing. You know, and they know we should be doing this and then we should be doing that. And I mean, that's the thing that movie pointed out so many foibles about religion and about everything.

[00:43:31] And I think the one thing that gets me the most is when when when it came out, I remember I read critics saying that this is a smart movie. It's funny. It doesn't it does, you know, there's no blast for me in it.

[00:43:48] My father was like, you know, oh, it blasts. I was like, oh, wait, no, wait, do we get the meaning of life? That was really fun. You know, and I think that's that's where they they were like, OK,

[00:44:00] we faced when that came out, we faced up to what we need to do. And a lot of people don't realize if Life of Brian wasn't going to be released, they were going to edit the German shows into a movie and release that.

[00:44:18] Oh, really? They had a backup plan. They had a backup plan. And they said when they got the financing from Harrison, they were like, you know, OK, go ahead. It's still kind of a shame given the radical nature of today's world,

[00:44:32] because can you guys recall the last time any of these movies got shown on TV? I mean, PBS will still show Holy Grail once in a blue moon and now for something completely different. But I can't remember the last time any even the movie channels

[00:44:47] took a chance and played Life of Brian. It just seems like never. Networks there. Networks there. OK, cool. So because for a while it seemed like. To me, they it feels like they treated it like the beast side of one of your dad's favorite albums, you know?

[00:45:05] It just seems like it was always people knew about it, but it was just ignored, like unless you had hippie, you know, uncles or a lot of let's not talk about the movie. Yeah. Yeah. And I guarantee you, if you got a religious cousin,

[00:45:22] they've never seen it and they won't intend to because it's how dare the radical, you know? And so. Even though, like you say, it handles this so carefully. It's not demented. It's not like South Park, which don't get it wrong.

[00:45:38] South Park is awesome and it's all right, but South Park, it's just trying to get the middle finger to everybody. Yeah. Yeah. And this is more just what would you do to survive this? And isn't it absurd that they did this back then?

[00:45:52] Well, Brian's character, Brian Graham Chapman's character has one of the best lines. You have to figure it all out for yourselves and like. Yes. Oh, I was just going to say the God in Monty Python and Holy Grail is saying the same thing. Get out with your life.

[00:46:08] Don't wallow and go. Forgive me this. Forgive me that. You know, live your life. It's the what the God in Holy Grail is saying. And it's. Yeah. It's harming. I'm not worthy, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's also a very light are.

[00:46:22] I think it's only just because people are walking around but naked in a few scenes, but it's not. Yeah. Graph. Yeah. And then so then, you know, that came out in 79 and they kind of went silent for a little while. Yeah, 83, they come out with meaning of life.

[00:46:40] Do anything in between? I like Hollywood Bowl between those two. Oh, yes. Right. That's like the third or second one I definitely saw. And that's definitely my favorite of the live shows. Don't get me wrong, the farewell tour is great. But just the way that's all filmed

[00:46:59] and I will see PBS play that once in a while. Just they have the one with the what's the one with the waiters who are pantless? That's in my face. That's how they are. My face. Yeah. Yeah, there's a good rendition of that.

[00:47:17] There's plenty of the other ones involved in the lumberjacks. Yeah. It's police wander through the crowd. Elbatross. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I understood the Hollywood Bowl seats doing that, I think. Absolutely. Right. Staps it. That's one couple and says. He stops at one couple. He looks at them.

[00:47:38] He said he looks at the one woman. He says he says you shouldn't be smoking that out here. And then he's walking. Yes, it just. The air morals. And there's something else, too. Another tip at the religious side.

[00:47:53] There was a kit with John Cleese and Eric Idol talking about the painting of the 15 Chapel. No, it's the last supper. It's the last supper. Oh, yeah, last supper. Yeah, because they had so many people and just some of the lines

[00:48:11] that through in there like they had to make room for the Marriott band or something along those lines. Did you like the canker? Did you like the kangaroos? What did you like the kangaroos? No, I didn't like the bloody kangaroos.

[00:48:25] And how come you got three Jesuses in there? Well, they kind of balance each other out. They're together out. No, I want one Jesus, 12 apostles and that's that. No kangaroos, no mariachi band, none of that. But that's just. Oh my God. Yeah, I'm sure you could.

[00:48:45] I don't know what I don't like. And that that that that was, I think, shown. Live on some cable network, it wasn't HBO. I think Cinemax did it as a live feed. That would make the whole. This was back when they were actually playing a lot of

[00:49:07] old comedies like reruns in Max Headroom and weird documentary went back to showing all the skin shit at night. That might have been where I saw it. Now that you say that, yeah, Cinemax. So when when Cinemax came along, I think they were they were

[00:49:26] they were playing, you know, then after something completely different, they they got life. They got multi Python on the Holy Grail and they got, you know, the life of Brian on there and my kids, my age were watching. I was watching and now for something completely different

[00:49:43] and Monty Python on the Holy Grail. I'd watch that during the daytime in the summertime, you know, and I come out and I'd be like, you know, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the.

[00:49:53] My mother was just like, why are you what my mother would just sit me down and OK, watch this and she was laughing, you know, all the time. But when it when it got to the meaning of life, I got kind of lost with that a little bit.

[00:50:07] I can't really like the meaning of life one though. It's another it's another skit comedy movie. There's some fun moments. But yeah, it's made by the third act. But the stuff with the waiter where he's ordering a special kind of fish. That's probably the one everyone remembers.

[00:50:25] No, no, no, no, no, Mr. Creosote, Mr. Creosote. Oh, that's the bomb. I've seen. Yeah. Yes. OK, yes. And then they have it begins with birth and I think the thing up will know it actually begins with the Crimson Pirate Assurance Agency.

[00:50:43] Yeah. And that was that was killing them all the way. Where a bunch of guys take over a a insurance firm from the younger guys. And they they go like, you know, there's they like they make the building like a like a like a

[00:51:01] like a, you know, a pirate ship and they're flying around like, you know, all these like, you know, corporate industrial, you know, multinational things and stuff like that. So they do that. And then they do the beanie of life.

[00:51:14] They start with birth and that is that's one of my favorite parts was just and I see you have the machine that goes goes and they move on to. Middle the middle school years, which is like the teacher demonstrating this in front of the glass.

[00:51:35] Yeah, you don't you just don't. You're not paying attention. Yeah. Yeah. This one still occasionally airs on Sundance, believe it or not. Wow. Or showtime. I've seen it on there probably the last five years and it was unexpected. You're like, really?

[00:51:53] You guys don't come off to me as the Python type ship. When death shows up at the dinner party, what what is it that they ate that killed them? The salmon moves. But then one person is walking out to the demise.

[00:52:08] It's pale and the salmon moves, which is pale. And pale and walks out. So that's the one I'm thinking of. Yeah, that fish scene. Yeah, OK. Helen walks out and says, hey, I didn't have the salmon moves. And but that's all that, which is great. You know what?

[00:52:25] She just OK. And the thing I like, Mike, is like he's like it's like death. He says, now fuck off, you're all dead now. You don't have you Americans with I let me put it to you this way.

[00:52:37] And I need to tell you this now shut the fuck up. You don't have any balls. Oh, what's also fun about it or funny about it is they're not intimidated by him in the least. They just know. Like I like fucking death.

[00:52:51] Scared in the least. It's just genius. You know, that's an approach you've never seen before. You know, I guess the greater power has spoken. Yeah. Yeah. The thing I'm always loving is like, you know, like they have

[00:53:05] like when they were filming the scene where they're in the battle, like, you know, in the in the World War One, they just had an IRA bombing like a couple weeks before. So so what happened was they were filming in this like vacant area

[00:53:19] and there are all these bombs go. So the Scotland yard had to come over and tell them, what are you doing here? And they're like, oh, we're filming a movie. And it's like I love the fact that they're when they're doing

[00:53:30] this scene with the trench warfare like World War Two or World War One. Like they have a they have a cake ready for the guy and you know, they're going to get a clock and everything like that. And then it cuts them in a training film.

[00:53:43] So it's just and that is what happens in war. And if you don't believe that, may God strike me down. Yes. Oh my God. The finger comes back. I felt like that it was almost like a kind of a variation on

[00:53:59] the it's guy because I do recall him being struck by lightning a few times. In the sky. And then and then it pulls back and then you see Michael Pio go, what's the matter? Never seen a hand of God before.

[00:54:16] I mean, you do get you do get lost in that movie a little bit. You know, I think the ending is, you know, the one part I never could get was the middle part with find the fish. And I wonder where that fishy went. The fish, fish, fish.

[00:54:32] Oh, you loved it so like a son. You know, I was like, OK, what? What the fuck is good? What is this about here? What is I think they were all smiling emo. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, I think they were always lose with their transitions.

[00:54:46] I think it was just their way of I don't know if it was the drugs talking or just their way of organizing it because you kind of get that in life of Brian when Brian's waking up in bed and hallucinating.

[00:54:58] And then there's, you know, you had that with Holy Grail, too. I think you do kind of get and this is not a detractor or anything. It's just an observation. Is this seems like the same thing with the real good.

[00:55:11] I also I almost think it's a call back to the fishes they have throughout meaning of life. Yeah. Yeah, it's called one there was a couple of pythons in it, you know. Yeah, yeah. During theme. Other than the fish in the series, the fish.

[00:55:32] And they're obsessed with it. The one part I love is when they're doing the part when they're like an athlete, they're supposedly in Africa, but it's really Ireland. They're like a tiger here in Africa and police is like walking out

[00:55:49] and like he's like trying to shave himself and somebody hurls a spiel and breaks his mirror. And he's like he's like a drat. He's shaving himself. And then if you watched him when he's walking through the camp, there's this guy going, how are you doing to them?

[00:56:01] This is doing very good. So, you know, that's Michael Cain. Oh, Michael Cain is a cameo. Michael Cain is everything. But I can't believe that fucker retired. It's so good to know it's four. Can you believe he retired this year? Yeah. Yeah.

[00:56:20] And the thing I love is when they're examining Eric, I always like a tiger, a tiger here in Africa. He's like, he's like, yes, went to bed last night, woke up, one sock too many. And he's like and Chapman walks in.

[00:56:36] He's like, OK, if I were you, favor the other leg. Rest a little bit. Don't play a lot of football and you'll be fine. He's like, so. So, so is it going to grow back? No, no, no. So he's like, what did he say?

[00:56:52] Well, it wasn't a mosquito. What we're looking for is a huge, multi-celled animal with giant razor sharp teeth. And he's like holding up the mosquito. Now there's this big hole in the mosquito net. And it's just like a tiger. And they're looking for the tiger in Africa.

[00:57:11] And you see Eric, I don't know. Like they're like, what's going on here? And there's two guys dressed in a tiger suit. And I'm like, what the what the fuck is going on here? And, you know, once again, how much like the skits, you know,

[00:57:26] Chapman studied to be a doctor, so he's been the doctor in the scene, giving all this outrageous information. It kind of goes back to the screenwriting fun facts. One thing that many screenwriting books will now recommend. If you want people to take your crazy concept series have

[00:57:42] but through the Jurassic Park method of having one of your characters be a smart scientist. So now you really trust what the hell's going on, even if it's out there. And I just love how he's always a doctor, just telling you this outrageous stuff.

[00:57:57] And by the way, this could kill you and you're good to go. What? Well, the thing that they were kind of like making fun of in that too is the theory of, you know, the meaning of family and it's a part where this is where my father,

[00:58:13] this is where guys, my dad got pissed at me for liking this movie. You see Michael Palin walking up the street and you see a stork dropping a bundle through the chimney. And you see like Terry Gilliam dressed as a woman

[00:58:30] and you see a baby plop out between your legs. He says, oh, yeah, can you get that for me? And then he comes out and says, well, I got some bad news. They closed down the mill. So I have to study all the scientific experiments

[00:58:46] and my mother and I are starting to laugh. And my father's my father's like, I can see my father doing that slow burn and they start seeing every mis-secret. My father, when they got to the point where it was the religious icon singing it,

[00:59:05] he walked over to the VCR, pulled the tape out. So you're not watching this shit through the tape across the room. And oh, he did not like he was he was going through transition where he became like very Catholic for a while.

[00:59:21] Oh, did you and your other relatives that often watch movies without him due to that? Well, no, what we did was my mother and I, he left the house to go somewhere. My mother and I put the tape back in the VCR

[00:59:37] and we were watching it and it got to the part where you know, Graham Chapman and Eric, I were playing the Protestant couple and he talks about contraception. And I go, Mom, what does he mean by a John Thompson? A John Thompson is John Thomas.

[00:59:54] She goes, oh, that's that's another name for his his winky. I'm like nine, nine, ten years old. And I go, so what's a French tickler? And she goes, you'll figure it out. Yeah. And then I got to hear the No Cal or penis song.

[01:00:14] Is it great to have a penis? You're going to have a coffee. It's actually good to have a dog. Yeah. Monty Python was definitely one of the few in my household where it's like, OK, it's our but it's Monty Python.

[01:00:24] You know, it was kind of like who's lies anyway. Where it's like, OK, again, naughty, but they're in on it. It's not like anything else where you really shouldn't be watching it if you're underage, you know?

[01:00:37] The fact that you're laughing at it means you're not taking it seriously. You realize that they're making a joke and it's not like this is going to have to go all the way. You know, that's that's the fear like your dad seemed to have.

[01:00:50] They should teach this in a sex pet. They should teach this in a sex ed class. That'd be funny. We were proud of it. I'm proud of it just because we we think that when Martin Luther nailed his

[01:01:02] ninety five is ninety eight is ninety five thesis to the law, he did not know the ramifications of what was going on. So he says so just because I just because I could wear a little rubber

[01:01:11] thing on the tip of my John Thomas and you don't have to get pregnant, you know, but look at them. They're still trapped in their dark ages, you know? And my mother was like my mom's like, Jay, where them were not the other people.

[01:01:25] Where them your father is them. Where were the other people like what do you mean, Jay? I'm protesting your father's Roman Catholic. So so I said, so so you're like. So I'm like, what does that mean? I'll tell you more later when you get older.

[01:01:44] And I didn't know what the hell, you know, the ninety eight, you know, the ninety five thesis words or anything like that. But when you watch the movie, there's a couple of great sketches like the live organ transplant. No, I forgot about that. Oh, I forgot about that.

[01:02:02] So gory. Oh my God, which leads into the galaxy song. Just remember that standing on the planet that's revolving. And then they go into what everybody died of the the couple that go to the

[01:02:22] Eric Eidel and Grant Chapman are dressed up as like, you know, a husband and wife. And this is yeah, yes. Yeah, we were just wondering if we could, you know, they're eating dinner in an authentic Hawaiian dungeon and they they they're sitting there and please come to us.

[01:02:37] Is there a figure out the meaning of life? And he's supposed to have like a like a and then the ending I love, which was Christmas in heaven. Yeah, yeah, like heaven looked like. And who knows again to that earlier scene, like you said,

[01:02:56] they they do follow the screenwriting rule of say the the name of the movie somewhere in them. Yeah. But yeah, Christmas in heaven. This is what it looks like. It's Christmas in heaven. Hark Hark the angels sing. This, you know, and you know, Jaws one, two and three.

[01:03:17] And they have Grant Chapman made up to look like I swear to God, he looks like Mike Brady when he had the perm. Yes. And it was key. That's the thing that always. As part of the movie, I feel is almost like their answer to

[01:03:35] Mel Brooks history of the world kind of in a way. Just yeah. Yeah, pretty other integrated just segments to the bigger narrative. And then like you say, you just because much like Holy Grail and Brian, there's so many it's hard, you know, you're gonna

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[01:05:48] And it's not for the obvious reason. It's the one where I don't know the guy's name, but it was played by Graham Chapman and he chose his method of execution and it was to be chased around by topless women. Yeah, that's right. Oh yeah. That is...

[01:06:11] The dubious part of it is pure to think is all of you. I wonder if that inspired Queen's Fat Bottom Girls video. It might have been that. It might have been the one Cars video that Andy Warhol directed.

[01:06:28] I think the one thing that's great about the meaning of life is Michael Palin's little segments at the end says, and he says, and now the meaning of life and you see this hand come in and he goes, thank you, Bridget.

[01:06:39] He goes, he goes, he goes, get some walking in, try to get all, try to get some walking in, try not to eat a lot of fatty foods. Stay away from, you know, he says all this stuff and he says, and now

[01:06:52] that, you know, hey, you want people to come into the cinema? You know, you show people with their blood and guts flying out all over the place. And then he pauses, there'll now be 15 minutes of penis is being shown on the screen.

[01:07:07] I fucking laugh my ass off at that. He's like, it's like one of those things where he just says that and you're just like, wait, well what? You're about to see some film on screen. You want to get these fletched, rotted people in the cinema?

[01:07:21] Have people still get them blown apart on the screen by Uzi? You know, I mean, he just goes off on this tangent. Are you sure Playboy, are you sure Playboy didn't produce this one as well? Now thinking of some more play girl. Oh, there you go.

[01:07:36] That makes sense. The thing I got to say about the movies is that there was never a dull moment. I mean, you know, bang, bang, bang. And they just their own one thing to another to another. Yeah, it never it didn't.

[01:07:53] They never drag any other group of comedians who had the chance to do some movies often seem to want to one up. They're too focused on being funnier or making more money than the last one. And these all have their own unique identity.

[01:08:12] They're not trying to be one versus the other. And plus, thank Terry Gilliam and Terry Jones, who would, you know, would become good, good directors. You know, when Wind and the Willows is a very understained movie, but yeah. And Gilliam's career went like skyrocketing

[01:08:31] because after he did Brazil, he didn't bear in Munchausen, which I thought was a. Yeah, you know, John to Viking, which was. Yep, the Viking we talked about last time and, you know, Mike brought up, you know, Wanda. I think that's proof that, you know, much like on

[01:08:52] Faulty Towers, John Cleese is a good ensemble player, regardless of Python or not. And yeah, it is a shame that, you know, Wanda doesn't get shown as much anymore and don't ever watch on TV. They literally cut out every other clip to where you're like,

[01:09:08] what's going on? I'm confused. You don't know why Kevin Klein's so dumb, you know, because they remove all the cursing where, you know, they reveal all that. And it was followed by a pretty mediocre sequel that Frank Oz did, I think. Having like one, I don't know that.

[01:09:25] Yeah, yeah. And it just, I don't think the PG-13 heard it. I think it was just, it was just kind of too rushed. It didn't really feel like fierce. They waited for one. I think, I think fierce creatures came at the same time as the Star Wars.

[01:09:42] The Star Wars sequels, the Star Wars. Yeah, released 97 plus. That was already big years. Yeah, all kinds of blockbuster. So it wasn't going to make any green. I love, I love in life of Brian, where Brian goes off into the spaceship

[01:10:01] and like it comes out and that guy turns and says, you lucky bastard. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And but yeah, I think if Jones and Gilliam hadn't been behind here, I don't think they would have had. The courage to do all their other ventures.

[01:10:23] No, but you definitely feel that they are creative. I feel like everybody with these movies, especially by the time of Brian, they are all creatively rewarded in a way they they get. They're glad that critics get what they're talking about and that they got some fanfare.

[01:10:40] And the good thing was whenever they would do a solo project, one or two of them would show up in the other's project. So if you want. Yeah, the night in the T. As Terry Jones, if you watch the Ruttles, Michael Palin is in it. Oh, really?

[01:10:57] Yeah, if you watch on what was it? If I forgot what what please did a movie and all of a sudden you see like I think you see, you know, like, like, you know, please was an Eric, the Viking where he played Hal the fan of the black.

[01:11:17] I mean, please and idle boats have that kind of just instantly recognizable voice. They just have that kind of everyday charm. There's something that works. And the great thing is, please and idle have always been like the big

[01:11:34] you know, guys who would show up on TV shows like I just watched an episode of Verna Shirley where Eric showed up as members of a British rock band that later season when they moved to LA. Yeah, that's great. I will. I will check that out. It's great.

[01:11:54] And please was on an episode of Cheers. They're going to have a lot more, but that kind of fell through. Eric, I don't host it. SNL. Yes. Yeah, I think I think the only ones who hosted were Palin, idle and please and please and Palin were on

[01:12:16] a show in the summer of 98. Not SNL. They definitely did the different parents skit. Yeah, they parents skit. And the thing was nobody was laughing like people were laughing, but they didn't laugh, laugh and I'm like, dude, this because by then it got, you know,

[01:12:32] I'm like, that's a good point. They do kind of look at them as if Yoko Ono has just stepped in like what's happening right now? And it's like, no, it's a throwback to their their earlier sketch show stuff.

[01:12:45] So so there was a sketch on SNL when nobody laughed. That's never happened. Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, it's happened, but in what JJ is hitting on is that it's not worthy of that dead silence. We're only the front row. Yeah. Whereas the

[01:13:03] in the lab, where there's most recent seasons of SNL, they've been seasons without last. We're only the narrator and Richard Belzer and company are laughing. There's more. And what you're trying to say is that the audience was expecting them to do something different, not the parents.

[01:13:24] So and I just got the irony of this after all these years, the enchanter and he's thrown lightning bolts around like Thor. Yes, I'd from the bunny. You know, I mean, you're scared of this character and all of a sudden

[01:13:44] and then he said crouching behind the rocks because there's a killer bunny. You know, it's like absolutely or just take care of the bunny. You know, it's like, behind the rabbit. No, he is. And he he's one of many.

[01:13:59] I used to collect so many action figures back then. My mother was a big proponent of it. And I think I know my father for fact still has one of his Austin power figurines still and still does a collector's item.

[01:14:12] But I they made several action figures and Tim, the enchanter was one of them. Definitely Arthur King of the Britons. And he did all the nights. They did Patsy. They are not sure who the toy publisher was. I was like, I think it was McFarland did it.

[01:14:32] Oh, OK, so it was a movie maniacs thing. That's awesome. But I mean, just when he reveals what his name is that kills me every time. It's probably another quote of the one like, what is your name?

[01:14:46] It is he was supposed to name and I please please just said please just like, you know, fuck, I'll just make it up on the spot. There are some who call me. It's true. And just the way fellows out and just once it's said for a minute

[01:15:03] it's just very well framed. I love it every now. Well, it's true. Now for I said the vocal inflection is a little bit different the way I hear it. It's almost like there are those who call me Tim. Like he's questioning it. They're like, what will be spokes?

[01:15:22] I heard they call me that. Yeah. They said about like, you know, the Holy Grail and, you know, life of Brian. So they were so good at playing different parts because they had the sketch shows and, you know, the main sketch show flying circus so they can.

[01:15:41] Yeah, I wanted to. And that's the great thing because I mean, I've seen most. Like Reno 911, you know, I mean, the state, they were good at doing that too. Kids in the hall were great at doing that. And living color was a good one.

[01:15:56] But yeah, after I think I want to say 2002, it seems like the sketch show format was kind of dead. Yeah. And I think I think when I watch Python now and I watch and I'll watch, I'll watch the sketch show and I'll watch the movies.

[01:16:13] So I just say to myself, you know, it's lucky we had this when we did because you realize, you know, we had, you know, when our parents, my parents were alive. I'm sure, you know, our parent, you know, your parents too.

[01:16:26] They had laughing, you know, they had they didn't have, you know, the Smothers Brothers show. They had and some some people got reruns of SCTV, but not everyone, you know, followed that. You know, I mean, I had SCTV, I'm like on Cinemax and I was watching that.

[01:16:43] And then they started to rerun them, I think in 2002. Then in NBC and Comedy Central, all those companies kind of were able to get a lot of the sheep to syndicate just downright hysterical sketch shows.

[01:16:59] And I have you guys, speaking of sitcoms, have you guys seen the new rehash of Frasier? Yeah. I have been watching them. Yeah, I haven't had a chance to see it yet. I was not looking forward to it. The trailer was just, you know, pretty generic, but surprisingly

[01:17:21] pretty interested. I was like, OK, James Burroughs and Company are back staging it. I got to say this. The guy playing his friend from college, the English guy. The horses show on Nicola Nicholas. Fools and horses. Yeah.

[01:17:41] He was he was in a show called Butterflies when I was younger. And then he was with Wendy Craig and forgot who else. The older guy who was in. Did he have some crossover with the Pytons?

[01:17:56] No, but his thing was he was in a show called Fools and Horses. Only fools and horses with David Jainson who was in at last of the 1948 show. But that guy Nicholas, I forgot his name, Nicholas. Shit, Frasney. He's been in a lot of English movies.

[01:18:15] He was, you know, he was in a show called Good Night's Sweetheart where he played a guy who travels back in time to the 40s from the eight from like the 90s to the 40s or something like that. Yeah, like a nuttier version of somewhere in time.

[01:18:32] Yeah, yeah. But he would do it like, you know, he was like he was like trying hard not to screw up time where he was. So he would like jump from like the 1940s. He's like he's playing yesterday in 1945. Oh, it's from this guy.

[01:18:47] I don't know his name. I just heard it the other day on the radio, you know, he's playing that on the piano, you know, like it was a really good show to watch. Nicholas Dan, I just know his name. Nicholas. Was it Nicholas Ferrell?

[01:19:01] No, no, look up butterflies. Hold on. I will check this out. Sweet. People are only with the podcast right now that no. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like I feel like I'm the guy who's bringing up like the last pack pick of the 1985 NFL draft. Mr.

[01:19:28] Oh, that's my job. It's always fun looking for these obscure. That was because then you bring it up and next thing you know, you got like 200 likes and people are like, I remember that. And like, yeah, well, I didn't know I'm not alone. I won't die alone.

[01:19:50] And I know the show when they talk about it on a radio show or a podcast, but like right now I don't know. So Chapman has left us, unfortunately, years ago. Jones is pretty recent. Gilliam's always got something I didn't mind the brother's grim.

[01:20:12] It's not as strong as work, but I still need to see the last one he did that had a big all star cast. Palin pretty much will always encounter. He's almost always hosting a documentary show. Please is kind of currently was in Roman Polanski's recent movie

[01:20:30] and apparently got really criticized because get this he attempts to text his accent. Oh, my God. Well, there was there was a there was a time I think I remember like please was like an every movie you could think of like like they were put

[01:20:45] they put them in the bond movies after they before they were. You know, the Harry Potter freaking everything. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, James Bond movies was definitely a good pick for him because I remember him playing the Q replacement in a bunch of like Home Depot

[01:21:00] or Walmart ads also as the character and it he can carry it. It's just a shame that but see, you know, I'm told that now he every once in a while will pop up on a UK show that pictures about cancel culture.

[01:21:15] But unlike all those other comedians, he's not a has been to me. He's just, you know, bored and free to do what he wants. I respect him too much for me to just throw him under the bus like some of these other, you know, right guys.

[01:21:30] I mean, I love Palin. I love Idol and I love Jones and I love Chapman and I love. Idol can do no wrong. Yeah. Michael, Michael Palin of all the pythons. I'm fascinated by there's something in his face that you can tell what he's thinking all the time.

[01:21:49] Have you noticed? He is something. It's he's fascinating to watch in these movies and the TV show. Absolutely. He's up to something. It's great, you know, when I watch him do his travel stuff. Yeah, like I was another.

[01:22:05] I was like, wow, you know, I can't believe he's there, you know. It didn't feel like a sellout, but you were like, I never expected him here because it was just like, like you guys say, he's an everyday kind of man. You can kind of, yeah.

[01:22:18] But I'm kind of glad where he ended up because compared to so many other people, you know, they had he had a lesser manager or not been careful. He probably would have ended up on a crappy sitcom or, you know, some something not worthy of his talents.

[01:22:32] And I think he just played it safe. It's like, I can do this. I can do that. This is all fun. I got a charming voice. You know, Eric Eidle is the one I think that kind of kept himself always

[01:22:43] above water because I remember him doing a show called Nearly Departed. Yes. Oh, wow. OK, I didn't know about this one. I know. Didn't he also co-write of. Burn Hollywood, Burn. Yeah, he had a he he starred in it. I don't think he wrote it.

[01:23:02] I don't think he wrote it. I think that's why he just owned it where he was like, had I read in it, it wouldn't have been a clusterfuck. This was what's funny is I knew about Alan Smithy, but I didn't know it was.

[01:23:16] Abandoned because of the, you know, how ironic you want to use the Alan Smithy name on a movie called An Alan Smithy film. The jig is up and I thought that was part of the joke. And I had no idea until more recently.

[01:23:33] Like, I know they coincidentally, you know, the irony is they used it on that. And then that's where the jig was out and directors still is like, you cannot use that anymore. Also, what's an actual Alan Smithy then? Yeah, it wasn't Alan Smithy, but for totally different reasons,

[01:23:50] just creative differences. The writer of Flashdance and Showgirls arguing like he always does. Man. But. But that's the director didn't want to associate with the film. So he put that name on instead. Absolutely. Eric Eidle is literally the only saving grace of the disaster that is Hollywood homicide.

[01:24:13] Oh, my God. Not a good use of Harrison Ford. You can again, the behind the scenes stories are funnier than the actual movie, how he hated working with the lead, who thought he was going to, you know, be a hot shot, be the next Brad Pitt.

[01:24:25] But yeah, Eric Eidle is playing a celebrity being arrested with his pants down, clearly inspired by troubled celebs like Hugh Grant. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was. Go ahead. He remembers 1984, 85s, you know, epic comedy bomb that should have been

[01:24:46] three, you know, cut a different way, which was yellow beard, which. Yeah, yes. Two or three. I would still buy it if they did a Blu-ray shot factory master, because like you say, it doesn't work, but it's kind of just an interesting just. Mess.

[01:25:04] That's what blows my mind about like a lot of people when the Python films came out, there's only the four that are there. The other ones are just, you know, they're just little, they're a little side, they're a little side films that, you know, people will, you know,

[01:25:18] what about Silverat? Well, Silverat is not a Python film. No, right. Yellow beard. Like you mentioned last time, it's almost like half the people doing that are kind of like the ones who determine who are members of the Brat Pack. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[01:25:35] OK, they're both in it. It doesn't make it a Brat Pack movie. I guess the closest would be a fish called Wanda to be in it. Absolutely. It's just I think it's the only one with more than one Python in it, though.

[01:25:47] Well, that's that was that was pale and at least that yellow. Oh, there's plenty of that. There's plenty of that have both. I don't know what James is saying, Mike, is it's mainly that it's not produced under the Python banner and it's a different kind of comedy.

[01:26:03] So yeah, really. It's not. You're the spirit of the four films. Yeah, you're right. It would be like saying, hey, Lou Cheney and Boris Karl-Affron in this horror movie, but it's not a universal, you know, production, you know? Yeah. And and that's what that's, I mean, you have

[01:26:21] the Python fans like, you know, you like us who know the films and, you know, we can watch them day after day, night after night and just not be bored by them. But when you get people that say, oh, that movie is a Python movie.

[01:26:34] It's not a Python movie. The Ruttlesburg was not a Python movie. Yellowbeard was not a Python movie. Jabberwocky was advertised, but it wasn't a bunch of them. If a bunch of them are in a Star Wars movie, that does not make a Python

[01:26:48] movie. It's like people thinking Alcoh-Albert Hal-Milhalze is a as a Beatles song. It's not. I love I love what you, Mike, you and me had that you and me the other day on Facebook. Can you name the three songs, three albums

[01:27:02] that Ringo didn't sing on? And I'm like, OK, let's see, let it be. You know, I think tonight. Hard days night. And I put, well, magical mystery tour, but that was an EP. And then you told me, wait, that no,

[01:27:16] that's an LP now because it's recognized by, you know, it's in the official catalog. And I was like, I'm sitting there and I'm like, I'm like, you know, he's right. You know, just like. All I was trying to do in that post was separate them from all

[01:27:31] the American butcher job prior to pepper. Yeah. And so I just went. But then I'd forgotten that fact that, yes, magical mystery tour was a six song EP to begin with. It was three, four. Yeah, I believe. Yeah. But it's funny how you eventually made it.

[01:27:51] And you said that, yeah, they made it an album after that. It just makes sense. You know? So like, yeah, you can even go back to just like any other formula is like, what's the best version of the formula?

[01:28:02] Like I see people do this with the odd couples. Some people prefer the Jack Lemon movie. Other people are like, I prefer the sitcom. They're just it grows on me better. But you can prefer both because. Yeah. Two stars. They're going to mash. Yeah, that's a good example.

[01:28:19] Battlestar, all these other things are all two sides of the same coin they're told differently, but they're not irrelevant. Never know. Is the movie? The last movie. Oh my God. I think the last the last movie we saw the pythons in and it's not really them in it.

[01:28:41] It's them using their voice. It's them with their voices. It's a movie called the Liars Autobiography by Graham Chatham, where they took snippets of his life and they kind of animated it. And it was it was Chapman reading the book.

[01:28:59] I think maybe a year or two before he died. And then they had Palin Jones, Cleese, Idle. And I think Gilliam came in for something and they were all reading parts of it. And it was really interesting to hear this, you know, because

[01:29:14] it's kind of like, you know, I now I'm sitting there and I'm like going, well, now and then, you know, they did that with the Beatles and, you know, I'm like, free as a bird, you know, you know, but I'm thinking to myself, wait a minute, hold on.

[01:29:26] This is almost the same thing. They're just they're just doing they're just putting their voices around their friend's voice. And, you know, great very personal kind of story. Yeah. And we mentioned the Steve Martin special last time that he hosted.

[01:29:45] I can't remember were they I thought it was a mixture. And you can correct me if I'm wrong. Wasn't it both stock footage as well as new versions of the same skits? Or is it all stock footage?

[01:29:58] And he was just hosting it all in between while playing a piano. It was no, it was it was the Steve Martin special was 20 years of pipe. It was a parent's not including it was. I've seen that. Yeah, it was. Yeah, we both.

[01:30:12] I'm just a little bit on Steve Martin. OK, I got you. Right. I remember didn't they recreate some of their skits or was it all? No, it was it was intersplay sketches and Martin, you know,

[01:30:25] it was them just doing the sketches like they would do the fish slapping dance, you know, yeah, all this. And then Martin appeared at the tail, the beginning and the tail. And you know, the beginning, he says, these sketches have been seen before many, many, many times before.

[01:30:44] They looked at him, you know, and it's it's like they do like they show apart from the German, the German show that was all in German. And you know, oh, wow. And then it cuts back to the end. It says, well, they're still here with us

[01:31:02] and they're here with us tonight. In fact, I know where they are. They're right here in this closet and it opens up and there's the six of them. And Graham Chatman was too sick to stand up.

[01:31:13] So he's sitting there and you just see them look out and you hear Eric guy goes, Steve, Steve. Open the door, Steve, Steve, fucking bastard. That that was that. Did they do another one? It might have been Robert Klein where they had never is definitely

[01:31:34] a client I don't think I'm the captain's earn of his ashes. That's the Aspen Comedy Special where they I think they did the 30 years and Eddie Isard showed up. Yeah, it was making me believe that he was a member of the pythons

[01:31:49] and they were like, you know, you get I don't know who this guy gave him the fuck out of here, you know, and that's the time where I think I don't know somebody kicked the earn over and the earn fell over and I think it was really

[01:32:03] it's just somebody else. It was just ashes. That's all it was. And what they did was somebody took a dust buster and like put them. And I don't think he had a few other specials with them, too.

[01:32:17] I could have sworn he was like on a few other like retrospects and other specials. Who? Shazard. No, no. Is it? Yeah, is it? They did they did the 30th anniversary for the BBC. And what was the Broadway premiere of Spamalot,

[01:32:33] which was the I think he was. Yeah. For Tim Curry was definitely in one of them. And yeah, no. Yes. I I did see a local rendition of Spamalot, much like Hamilton. You know, they toured, you know, statewide.

[01:32:48] You can probably still find YouTube videos of the, you know, initial play. But it it was literally all the great music segments from Holy Grail just combined, re-performed together with some new bits added in. Yeah. And I think.

[01:33:07] The one thing that gets me is like when Chapman died, you know, it was kind of like, you know, it was kind of like, oh, you know, oh, shit, how's this going to work now? You know, right? What a great icon.

[01:33:21] You're an official leader and mentor in a way. Well, the show must go on. I was battling alcoholism for God knows how many years, you know, did affect him in a way and then he finally got sober. And, you know, he was he was getting his life straight

[01:33:37] and then he got cancer and he died. And then that's what I recall. He had cancer. Was it in the stomach or bone or just? I think it was this. I keep thinking it was suffageal or something like that.

[01:33:48] That's what I was. That's what I seem to remember. Yeah. Because he was just like. And I think I remember please say, you know, him and that goddamn pipe, you know. And Jones, you know, had his fucking mind taken away from him, you know.

[01:34:06] And I I sometimes think of it like I don't ever want that to ever happen to me. What happened to him? Because that guy had a brilliant fucking mind. You know, he he wrote some of the best stuff in the world, you know.

[01:34:20] And I I remember like the year when he passed away, I got Netflix. I was watching Monty Python and I watched him do the gas cooker sketch from the second. And I was laughing and I was crying at the same time

[01:34:36] because he was playing this woman who was trying to get a new gas cooker and they keep trying to like, you know, you got to fill out this form. You got to fill this form. She's like she's like, OK, well, you know, all right, lay down, love.

[01:34:49] Yes. So. And I was laughing, I was crying because every time he would come on, like I would just watch him and I'd be like he was he was always kind of like this, like the thing I would say about the five,

[01:35:03] the five of them when they were performing was Idle was the more, you know, wordsmithy kind of guy. Yeah. I can play like a salesman or something like that. Glees was the authoritarian figure. Chapman was the, you know, military could play the military or the doctor.

[01:35:22] And Jones was like the the the uppity, you know, guy who was always trying to get a, you know, trying to do something like they did a sketch where Idle played Timmy Williams and it was a spoof on, of course, David Frost. Yeah.

[01:35:40] Yeah. And the thing I love about that sketch is when he's like he's talking to him and like he's like, you know, I don't know what to do. You can't go on. And then all of a sudden, just sorry, I couldn't hear you about that.

[01:35:52] I was on the phone to America. Can you know? And he I just go out really loony or just straight man. And I don't know why he's so good at it. I think he's just very collected. And yeah, but.

[01:36:09] Yeah, I wish we had more types of chat like Chapman because we got similar. If I had to get an equivalent of Palin, I think you could probably argue that there's some Krasinski's in the world kind of like him. But yeah, yeah.

[01:36:23] With Chapman, he is a tough voice or to crack because he is not like Cleese or Idle where he's a mixture of snarkiness with like you say, authoritative voice. There's something very grounded about him. And I think any maybe a Larry David type could kind of come close.

[01:36:44] But that's about as close as I think I can get. There's really no one like him. I think that I think the thing with Chapman was he could he could walk like, you know, when I said this about when I said this a long time ago,

[01:36:55] and I'm just is like Chapman would come in and say a word and everybody would be like, you know, oh, use it. Yeah, put that in. Like, like, like, like when they're doing the penguin on top of the television set.

[01:37:11] If it lies in egg, it'll fall down the back of the television set. And like you can tell Cleese is trying hard not to laugh. Because that's right. Yeah. Cleese would definitely pull a Harvey Korman at times.

[01:37:28] You can tell he they are trying to make him fuck up and he's like, nope, nope, I'm not going to go for during this. You know, I mean, there's something he said like I also said when they were doing

[01:37:39] the 20 years of the Python, you know, the thing where they're all talking about Python was that they said Chapman would come in, Cleese would write a sketch and Chapman would say something like Mongoose. And they feel like, OK, that throws the sketch over this way, not that way.

[01:38:00] Because you could have had a sketch where it could have gone, you know, off to the off to the side of the road or you know, it just takes a totally different turn. And that was the great thing about Chapman. And yeah, I think.

[01:38:14] And so when he looks at the camera, like there's just something about him like I almost always got a he's either staring us, the viewer down or he's telling the director to fuck off. There's something. Well, it wasn't that.

[01:38:29] It was like if you look at Cleese and you look at whatever Cleese and when they do the job interview sketch, right? Cleese is looking at him like, OK, you bastard. I'm going to screw you around. And like and then like Chapman's like, Chapman's like,

[01:38:45] what do I have to do next? What I have to do next? What I have to do to impress him? He says five, four, three, two, one. And Chapman puts his finger in his head and goes. Now I want you to do that again.

[01:38:58] All right, five, four, three, two. And these three people show up and they hold up scorecards and he's like, all right, that's it. I've had enough. I've had enough of this. What do you think of that? What do you think of that?

[01:39:10] They I'm going to go down to the police. Tell them about this. You're delivering trying to turn on people's lives. What do you think of that? They what do you think of that? And slams it slams it down and the people hold the scorecards up again.

[01:39:19] Yes. Oh my God. That's great fucking writing. And that's how I think they worked with each other, you know. And I wonder if there's ever a business company that's been tempted to show that because of prank. Like, oh, I think there should be.

[01:39:36] I think my company should show that. But yeah, yeah. Yeah, the thing with Python, I mean, you're never going to get six individual individuals like that ever again. And no, there's many egos nowadays. There's too much competition. There's too much.

[01:39:53] I got to be the first to offend someone versus just be clever and let it take. There's not even two person teams anymore. No, no. I would put out there that Craig Ferguson and Josh Robert Thompson. Are that's a good point.

[01:40:14] They they play off each other so well. OK. Well, I guess that comes to still have three or four people. Yeah, yeah. But I think what JJ is getting at is just getting that big an ensemble because don't get me wrong. Yeah, there are some sketch shows,

[01:40:31] but they kind of don't last too long. They last like maybe two to five years and then they almost always are. Unfortunately, you know, this is a business. So everyone's looking at their next gig. Yeah, let's stick together. I mean, yes, there were always

[01:40:47] some comedians and other cool troops going, but it's still don't. Mystery Science Theater 3000. It's it's how they play off the movie. It's not like a team. Yeah, it's not. Yeah, yeah. We're about to repeat. Yeah, we're doing. We're all playing these nutty characters.

[01:41:06] Yeah. So it is like you say, it's kind of restricted back to a sitcom or scripted format of some kind now, as opposed to we're all in this sketch place together and we're all going to fuck. And and and George Harrison told Terry

[01:41:23] Gilligan on time, he said that when the Beatles were breaking up in 1969, the spirit of the Beatles, that that wacky looting is kind of transferred over to Python. And, you know, that's the way I see it, is that, you know, the Beatles were, you know, groundbreakers in music

[01:41:44] and the pythons were brown groundbreakers in comedy. So it's kind of like this thing where, you know, you could you could you could talk and make fun of things that were so not taboo, but kind of like, you know, oh, you can't make fun of this.

[01:42:00] You can't. Oh, we'll make fun of it. We'll make fun of it. And we'll have a good time making fun of it. It's also very cool that that George Martin worked with the Goons. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a string there. Yeah.

[01:42:14] And Peter Sellers was with the Goons. Peter Sellers, Harry Seekles, Spike Milligan and Mike Benetine. I'm actually surprised that Blake Edwards didn't get involved with him at some point. You know, you know, you know what it is

[01:42:31] with with with that would have been like that would have been like putting oil and oil and water together because yeah. Yeah. You've got, you know, with him it was he had the Clousseau movies and he had Victor Victoria. Yes, that's a different his humor is different.

[01:42:48] But the one thing I've said about Python is that, you know, with the movies they had their they, you know, Gilliam and Jones directed it. So they were directing their own. And then the first movie was Ian Macnaughton who did the series.

[01:43:02] So it's kind of like they had this thing where they were they were self-sufficient. They were, you know, they were in their own in their own, you know, in their own box. And the box was OK, we'll handle everything inside.

[01:43:18] You guys get the end product and this is what you'll have and it'll do good. You know, and that's the one thing I've always said, whenever they were whenever they did something solo from Python, you know, even they were always bringing one of them over.

[01:43:33] You know, I think the thing I love about the faulty towers is kind of different. But the thing I love about the Ruttles was that, you know, Eric Eil brought in all these people and he brings in Michael Palin to be, you know,

[01:43:47] the Derek Taylor character, you know, and you know, to have and to have, you know, Michael Palin and Terry and Terry Jones doing ripping urine, which was great and to have, you know, to have, you know, it was like, it's like, OK, we're going to bring people in

[01:44:04] that are really, really good. And you know, but you want to come over, you want to work with us for a little bit? You want to come over and work with, you know, come on, do a cameo.

[01:44:11] Do a shot here, do a shot here, do a shot here. Fine, no problem. Come on over, work with us, you know. And the good and there's one thing we forgot is that Neil Ians who was in the Bonzo do dog, do dog, do band

[01:44:24] were for the Pat for like the I think the Holy Grail and I think life of Brian. So he worked on the Ruttles, too, I believe. Yeah, he did some of the song. Him and Idle formulated the Ruttles.

[01:44:38] And the great thing is that I'm Ians being such a great big Beatles fan because he was in magical mystery tour with them. Yes. Yeah. The movie, sure. Maybe you don't do it. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe you'll do it. Death Cat for Cutie.

[01:44:55] Yeah. That was, you know, that's kind of like a little bit of a string. So there's all these strings and like, you know, they it just occurred to me, too, if you watch the Peter Jackson Let It Be a six hour thing that was on last year,

[01:45:11] Peter Sellers shows up. Yeah. Nice. So yeah, it's about to do the magic Christian. Yeah. That's right. That's right. Yeah, because Ringo was in the magical. Yeah. Ringo was going to Ringo and him were just about through the magic Christian.

[01:45:26] I think he showed up and from what I gather, when he showed up, he was trying to be like funny with them. Yeah. And they were, you know, fuck off kind of thing. It's nice to be watching that footage. It really is. Oh yeah.

[01:45:40] Yeah. And the thing I love about that is to hear them, you know, when you hear certain people's names being like Alan Klein being mentioned, you know, I hear Alan Klein and I just get that feeling. He was played by Baluchi in the Rattles.

[01:45:56] Yes. If you want to get you the money, but you know me, I'm not good with math. It's not my strong subject and the camera pulls back and he's walking into a mirror. And he's just wrong decline. People would rather kill themselves than meet him.

[01:46:14] And he's walking in with. Who's he walking? He's walking in with. Who who's the comedy team? He's walking in with. Frank and Davis. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. It was as they were fun back in the day, too.

[01:46:32] Yeah. And like, like they get like he closes the office. You hear this like rustling and then he opens the door and Frank and Davis are like, you know, they got a chair over their heads. Yes. So. Oh, man. So. Oh, yeah.

[01:46:50] Wow. What a what a great three parter we had, man. No, absolutely. And this is cool to do a dissect of this because we're. I'm hoping we've just hit on the points. I know we have, but it's just this isn't easy to just sum up

[01:47:06] because I find much like people are kind of dumber and want to give one word answers. People don't really like to express not only how subjective comedy is, but why it even works in the first place. I think a lot of people are afraid

[01:47:22] or they reveal how they don't really get the joke. They're just it's kind of like the whole are you laughing with us or at us or you think it sounds funny, but do you actually get what they're talking about? What what they just said, you know, it's

[01:47:37] your your your guffawing at Bugs Bunny kicking Elmer Fudd in the face. But are you also laughing at how the fact that he's dressed up as a woman and he's dressed up as a Nazi, you know, something like that. Like there's there's this systematic and social commentary

[01:47:53] underneath every other joke. There's all other kinds of other just outrageousness. And I think a lot of. I mean, it's kind of like with violence or sex in movies, you know, is like, are you actually frilled by it

[01:48:05] and getting some of the undercurrent of topics that are in it? Or are you just reacting to the shocking content itself? And comedy is so hard to break down and express why it has lasted this generation.

[01:48:19] And then again, how it wasn't easy to break through that mold at first. This didn't happen overnight. I mean, the thing I always said about Python is if you watch, you know, if you watch those big sketches, they do.

[01:48:33] But there's like a couple of sketches I always thought were really good, like, you know, a tool of the atilla of a hunch show. Yeah. Yes. You know, in America, I'm coming out in blackface, you know, Hello, Mr. There's a whole lot of them.

[01:48:48] Visigoths here to see on your like you're like at it. Now they're making fun of the black guy on the team. You know, like who? Yeah. So there's certain. You remember where his name was? Uncle Tom. Hi, Uncle Tom. Uncle Tom. Oh my God.

[01:49:04] And I love how whenever we're doing just random chats and you can always tell who's a Python head when one of them ends up, you know, sharing no one questions the Spanish Inquisition when they're talking about a heated topic.

[01:49:20] The thing I always said is like, you know, it's it they become part of our lexicon, you know, and it's like a nature and the comfy chair. Don't forget the comfy chair. We were standing accepted at first, Britain rejected it all together at first.

[01:49:33] And now I can't think of any country that doesn't have some kind of Python lexicon, you know, DNA in it. Well, they're multi layered in much the same way you watch Mr. Science Theatre episode. You start with these references like in the game. And Python's like that too.

[01:49:54] They refer to stuff. But MST is also definitely a gift much like Elvira and Spenguli and all because you'll see other people talking shit while they're playing a video game or watching a movie. And it's like, yeah, but you guys are doing

[01:50:10] which is definitely something I'm finally interested in doing when I get the time. But it would have to be a mixture of scripted and improv. As and most people I see online are just kind of just

[01:50:22] drunk and they're just talking shit then and there in the raw moment. And like, well, you're not really riffing. You're just talking shit. Yeah, exactly. Not the same. It's all the pop culture references that make that show work so great.

[01:50:38] You know, pop culture, the staging, the outrageous formula, a janitor into, you know, robot. And their timing is great too. Yeah, timing. Yeah. And how you feel like you're trapped in there with them much like

[01:50:53] yeah, when and just it's Zany, you know, no one else wants to really do something as Zany now. I've seen them up. It's kind of similar stuff once in a while. But I mean, those from the Crip, you felt like you were actually being,

[01:51:06] you know, guided through this outrageous tell by the Crip keeper. All this other nutty stuff. Larry Saunders, you actually feel like you're behind the scenes of an actual late show while the other shenanigans are happening where you're like,

[01:51:20] oh, I remember hearing something about that similar to, you know, a letterman Dennis Miller, Carson, you know, all these talk shows. And I think the thing is, is that they're writing reflected the times. But now when you're getting older, you start to realize when you when

[01:51:38] you saw them the first time, you know, you thought it was OK, I'm laughing at this, but then as you get older, you start to think yourself, wait a minute, I get it now. I get all the stuff they were writing.

[01:51:48] I get all of it as opposed to a quarter of it. The rest of it was just nutty and I laughed. Yeah, that I would say that the environment of the 60s post when he Bruce played into a lot of what I thought so so beloved today.

[01:52:07] They were they came out when it was when there was a lot of experimentation in comedy had your Steve Martin's doing. He had the Smothers Brothers. And just play Bruce in a lot of ways, paid the way for Pipe on to happen.

[01:52:25] Yeah, Bruce took a lot of heat for the kind of stuff. The Bison's are that that's a good point because the Python's I mean, much like you guys brought talked about the various stuff that that's silly segments, yeah, the Bison's are definitely even in life of Brian.

[01:52:41] They are questioning things, but they're not just as they're doing it like Lenny Bruce, but it's not as like in your face. They're kind of doing it exactly. They're waiting for you to warm up and follow what they're doing.

[01:52:54] And but like let me Bruce could get surreal too like that. That's a real. Yeah, Bruce and Bruce, unfortunately, was just in an awful period. He should have been trying this out during the making of a movie or something where he couldn't be stopped, you know.

[01:53:10] And unfortunately, he had to work with nightclubs and censorship at night. But you gotta think, yeah, Bruce Lenny Bruce kind of kicked down the door for a lot of things because if you got to think about and, you know, 1960, 60, 60, he's not really he's like the sick comedian.

[01:53:27] But when you listen to him now, he's not sick. He's just making fun of everything around him. And that was a great. That's a good point. I think he gets the sick label just because people were like, yeah, he was a drunk in jail.

[01:53:41] I'm like, that's not the same as dying or in bad health. Yeah. And then you had the people like George Carlin who used a lot of the absurdity too. So you had so you had different comedians testing the waters. And but with Python, you had it all.

[01:54:01] You had the social commentary that you have with Carlin and Bruce. You had the wacky stuff like you had with some of those brothers. And it was all. And comedy really, they're very nicely. Absolutely. Elmer Brooks did some real creative surreal stuff too.

[01:54:20] I can't I can't wait to watch that documentary on him. The guy is terrific. Yeah, it's wonderful. Rob Reiner directed it. That's that's a great tribute. No, but these are all great points by you guys.

[01:54:31] And this is why I think we all just ignite together just because we're. We're looking on the bigger picture. We want to kind of have a history lesson in retrospect, as opposed to just running about stuff that can't happen anymore.

[01:54:42] Because like we see all these other comedians who've come out and it just shows. Oh, buddy, you're too close to this. I think what was it? Rainn Wilson and Mindy Cailin were saying we couldn't do what we do on the office nowadays.

[01:54:54] I'm like, well, that's besides the point. The fact was you made use of it in the format then in there. And the reason people are still binging it in, Leslie is they really like the wacky concept you came up with. Sure, there's much like Simpsons.

[01:55:11] There's going to be people who are just like the douchebags on that show who don't get it and are laughing at it mindlessly. But the ones who get it are going to be they go beyond just the whole. I think I worked in a dysfunctional workplace like that.

[01:55:25] They're laughing at the bigger picture of what would happen if some lunatic like this ran a business like that. That. Oh, it's it. Comedy is a changing form and I do hope that someone else can break the mold.

[01:55:39] But I do agree with James's, you know, numerous statements on how it's going to have to take a lot of just. Surrealness, it's it can't just be let's see how much of, you know, Carlin and Billy Crystal and. Prior, I can rip off.

[01:56:00] And yeah, and the inner goal is always not a song thing. Standard gold is good. Unfortunately, he's kind of, you know, he's done great stand out. But he's kind of one of those. He's kind of much like Idle where he does a mixture of everything.

[01:56:13] He does writer's room and then he does. Pretty well, the Simpsons for 10 years at least. Yeah, I don't like the thing what is it? If anybody's going to break the mold, it's going to be somebody

[01:56:24] who will have to be out there and as he had not playing it safe. Right now, comedy is comedy is just a minefield right now. I'm and it's one of those things where you don't know what somebody asked.

[01:56:40] So you're always having to you almost have to do non-commony to get it stage time. Yeah. Get them. And that's very good point. I feel like some of it you can get away with if you animated a certain way.

[01:56:55] But then it also kind of just depends on what channel you're in. Because like even adult swim and Comedy Central aren't the same deal they used to be. So even they change their format literally every year to where it's like,

[01:57:07] I don't know who to get attached to because well, half the stuff you air you throw away the next year. The thing now is that, you know, you got guys like Sebastian Meadowskamp, me and this. Yeah, Matt Montes. Soco, I think is how the. Manish habits. Manish habits.

[01:57:27] Yeah. Interesting New Yorker. Yeah, he's I like him. I wish I could see him in some better movies, but his standup is killing it. Yeah. The thing that gets me now is like, you know, it's like Comedy Now has become kind of like you don't have those guys.

[01:57:44] I mean, we lost some great comedians a lot past couple years. We lost Gilbert Gottfried. We lost Richard Belzer. I promise you will do a special on Melvier and Bruce. I'm listening to Gilbert's amazing colossal podcast all the way through. It's going to take years.

[01:58:01] Great, great, great, great podcast. All that show. Yeah. When Gilbert pulls out the James Mason imitation, I know who is not the James, not James. Tom McGyver and. Tom McGyver. When he pulls out the guy imitation, I start cracking up because

[01:58:17] I started hearing him from like midnight kebab going, you have to have a strong back. Yeah. I just listened to that episode. He's got it down, I tell you. He's got it. He's got it. You'll find speaking of that. Well, actually, no, that's a different bird.

[01:58:40] I'm sure you guys know Derek McGavin. Someone did a hysterical. It's like they post all this outrageous artwork on here and someone. Did a funny artwork mockup that looks like what if Rankin Bass produced an episode of Coltsack the Night Stalker. And my mouth dropped.

[01:59:00] I'm like, I hope that whoever whatever student or nutty guy with too much time on his hands got an A because that is that looks like legit, like a Rankin Bass animation. So I feel like a lot of it is kind of the still in the college humor

[01:59:15] funnier die mode, but even that's kind of gotten a little corporatized. And YouTube is kind of where you go if you're like an in-between, but not always expecting to make some money. So I hope someone can even come up with a wacky audio drama

[01:59:31] or some other third party format that's not just video based. I mean, you look at now today, you look at you look at TikTok and to me, TikTok is like the waist. And you can talk to the answer.

[01:59:47] Yeah, it really is, which is a shame because I think it is taking up so much of it, but it's kind of producing more snobbiness than creativity. And then yeah, and then you got people that are really trying to do like funny shit on YouTube that I watch.

[02:00:03] And I've been like, oh, my this is fucking like the one guy. He always plays a prank on his parents. And it's like this thing where he walks in with his older ones. He says, hi, mom. This is my girlfriend, Janine.

[02:00:15] She says she knows you and, you know, or he comes. He comes like he comes running in and like there's police are in splurge says, mom, dad, I'm not here. I'm in the just let me hide in the garage. I mean, this is just so that's what.

[02:00:29] And I missed the whole idea of a prank show. I felt like mid 2000s people either wanted me natured stuff like in a punk or it was a trashy reality show like cheaters where someone actually got hurt.

[02:00:44] And I do kind of miss the whole a good old fashioned is your refrigerator running and then some kind of joke. We're just on all the time. Don's something we're missing that we're just missing that kind of formula where like someone is dressed up very bizarrely

[02:01:04] there was the people at Walmart thing for a while. But I don't think they really update that much. Do you remember a show this guy Dom Jolly did where he's new Central? I forgot the name of it, but he would like pretend to be like

[02:01:20] like a guy from Holland. He's like, yes, I was just wondering if you could tell me where the the sixth the sixth market is. What is sixth market? You know, he's got like a pipe and a captain's hat on. Oh my God.

[02:01:35] I'm saying, no, I can't hear you. Let me speak up further. Well, hold on. I forgot what it was. It was full, full frontal TV. I think it was. Yeah. I don't know. It's not familiar, but yeah, full frontal TV had one of the best

[02:01:52] things were the raging bull blinkle. And it was it was it was you know, I know we're getting off we're getting off the pipe, but it was like wrapping up with other comedy. It was it was the one where they said, hey, you hit like a

[02:02:07] puffy, you know, raging west, you know, Mario Cantone's doing the Joe Pesci character. You fuck my wife. But did you fuck my wife? You know, it's just a full winkle outfit. You know, they're doing the whole doing the whole sketch

[02:02:24] and I'm like, I was up late when I was I was I was laughing hysterically because I was like, we call coming to a theater this summer. And then, you know, they had I remember who's you know, we had Mr. We had Mr. Show.

[02:02:41] We had the kids in the hall. We had, you know, with this Python is always going to be the one everybody heard and crossed it a similar show in IFC, but unfortunately like the acting schedules kind of got in the way of yeah, but yeah.

[02:02:58] And I think that's the thing. Everybody everybody's going to reach back and say, well, what who influenced you? It's like saying, you know, what musicians influence everybody's as well as the Beatles. And you know, with with with some kind of it's going to be

[02:03:11] like Monty Python, Monty Python, Monty Python, Monty Python. Oh, how weird, you know, I saw Monty Python The Holy Grail then I saw the TV show and I was like over the moon for them. You know, that's what that's what it is.

[02:03:23] Python is always going to be that that cinder block. That special something. Yeah. You know that that. I don't want to say cinder block, but that that that the foundation, that foundation on which special cake that isn't a lie.

[02:03:43] Yeah, that thing that just sits there and goes, all right, boom, this is what you got now. This is what this is where you have to do better. And then some shows some shows they did great. And that's the one thing.

[02:03:56] Python's always going to be that touchstone that bars that goes across and you try to reach the bar. And I see so many movies that at the time often got the Python label because it was in a similar vein. I remember on the featurettes of The Prince's Bride

[02:04:11] and they showed promos, you know, saying, you'll see it with actual people being interviewed who had seen it and they're like, this is the next Monty Python. So when you get that label, like that, like you say, you Python is indescribable even though we've spent

[02:04:28] free episodes on it. It is a special kind of something that works so well. And when people say you are the next that, they're not saying you're better, but they are saying it's a similar vein. It is a similar.

[02:04:42] As much like Kids in the Hall is like, hey, that's that's like Python 2.0. That is its own special oyster. It's in this other corner. It's in a way you could probably say it's the after after you're done watching free hours of Python,

[02:04:58] you're going to do some work, go to a party and then you're going to sit up and watch maybe two hours of Kids in the Hall because it's another kind of just aftertaste like an extra martyr after you've had the main. Yeah, if you're after dinner meant.

[02:05:13] Yeah, there you go. It's dessert. For a different point of view. Hey, Leonard Moulton. I think Brian in here, two and a half stars quote, what dry stretches unquote Leonard, you should watch the movie again. I think nobody wrote this review,

[02:05:37] but he must have been in a bad mood because I'll never have a lot of dry stretches and life and Holy Grail. I mean, I'll never forget when Mr. Science Theater gave him some shit on one episode. Like this guy gave two and a half stars to unforgiven.

[02:05:53] It was laser black. I know he doesn't have other writers in here too. Maybe maybe it wasn't him. Well, he's on it. He gets the blame. Yeah, that's true. Again, watch it again later. Yeah, he doesn't get to pull out. Anyway, this has been great guys.

[02:06:17] I I wait. So next week, I swear we're going to do a cross special. We're going to do so many other ones for the recent talents that have fallen that we still want to honor. They were on our docket, but timing is everything.

[02:06:32] Well, we're going to try a muppet ranking. Just will rank anything. Jim Henson related. Just it's going to be interesting. You know, who grew up on what generation? Next week is Star Wars, right? Oh yeah, my bad. Yes. Next week is the Star Wars saga ranking and.

[02:06:49] Then we're going to do a muppet ranking and then we can we can stretch it out from there. We can shuffle that around. I'm not going to stick to it. I wish I could do something else here. I'm going to talk a little bit like a goblum.

[02:07:03] You guys say that maybe we're going to do a little thing here. Maybe we could do a little Star Wars with the muppet. I think we have a little crossover. So another day kind of did that. That'd be very cool. Michael Crichton DNA on this show.

[02:07:14] That is for sure. I wish we get my friend home for you on the show, but he doesn't like doing that kind of shit, you know. Now, he's he's very I said I've asked home. I think I asked him.

[02:07:28] Hey, I'm doing a podcast with, you know, I mentioned. And I think there's on the internet. Yeah. You know, I want to just tell him, hey, you want to come on to Star Wars, but I don't think he'd really be interested.

[02:07:41] But I kind of think sometimes I'm like, you know what? You know, I like doing this with you guys and, you know, outside forces, I don't want to have come in, you know. All right. You know, it's like that. Don't get me wrong.

[02:07:55] I'm going to keep putting out some fliers from different people and just say, hey, do you want to collaborate together? Some in some capacity, whether it's come up with a radio worthy drama or another side show on down? Yeah, yeah.

[02:08:11] Regardless of the format, whether it's recapping every single episode of the Deadwood to talking about your favorite stand up specials to, I don't know, a history of hard to cult filmmakers like the Orson Welles of the World. I'm down whatever works, man.

[02:08:29] You shot down my Ray Stevens idea. So that's. I've got every album you ever did, but that goes back to being 10 years old and getting into music. So we can try them down the road. I know that's why they call him the streak.

[02:08:47] Yeah, I will say that he is on a lot, a lot of records that you don't realize he's on. He's one of these behind everybody. Great. And range. Michael King's been on a lot of. There you go. Oh, man. I miss what Tom said.

[02:09:06] Oh, he's been a lot of records. And every voice. He's been joking about Michael King. Oh, my. OK, I have a thing is beautiful in its own way. My favorite bit of trivia about him is on the Archie Sugar, Sugar. He's a hand clapper. It's true. That's true.

[02:09:28] Anyway, wonderful. That's a whole other universe. So yeah, we're good. This has been a delight. This has been a delight. Always a blast. Always fun getting this rocket ship boosted. It's on the web on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram. The podcast is available on Podbees, Spotify,

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