Jurassic Park Novels & Jurassic World Tie-In Books Review (with Daniel & Jak from Jurassic Fans Podcast!)

[00:00:00] The Evolution of Claire recently.

[00:03:09] This was a best-selling book.

[00:03:12] And to think that James Cameron missed it by that much post Terminator 2.

[00:03:19] Spielberg was first to pick up the phone and say, I'm making your movie.

[00:03:25] And you, Mr. Crichton, you get to re-word.

[00:03:28] I've done stuff with shockers like Jaws before, but you can reword it how you want.

[00:03:33] I want to make the movie you want to make, much like I want to make the blockbuster I want to make.

[00:03:39] So, yeah, no, I got to it much, much, much later.

[00:03:46] You know, I was always reading film history books.

[00:03:50] I was always seeing ads for the original that were coming on TV.

[00:03:55] NBC used to love to play the hell out of The Lost World as their Sunday night movie once in a while.

[00:04:01] And I got a little confused because sometimes they had some extended scenes that were like on the VHS tape

[00:04:07] that you could play on a second tape or that were also in like on TV airing.

[00:04:16] So with the first movie, though, it was just interesting just because, you know,

[00:04:20] it was just the hallmark of dino movies in the 90s.

[00:04:24] And let alone it was everything.

[00:04:27] You know, it was an adventure movie. It was an action horror movie.

[00:04:30] It was a sci fi thriller.

[00:04:32] And then it was also kind of a creature feature.

[00:04:35] It was such a mixed bag of goodness.

[00:04:38] And going back to the book, it wasn't too much like Jaws where there's a lot of unnecessary subplots.

[00:04:46] And Peter Benchley is kind of like Stephen King, where he's got good ideas, but no, he's good at writing them out.

[00:04:52] And Crichton, I had read everything from Prey, which was like about a nanite thunderstorm

[00:05:01] I had read The 13th Warrior after I saw the awesome movie with Banderas.

[00:05:05] But yeah, I got to say just this one is just good at just giving you a little more of the nuts and bolts of the park

[00:05:14] and the other scientists a little more on the traitor Nedry and why he's doing all this corporate espionage.

[00:05:22] But it wasn't for me too much like Lord of the Rings, where you pretty much if you've seen the movie,

[00:05:30] you basically read the book. There's just like maybe free arcs that have been reshuffled for certain circumstances.

[00:05:39] But this is I think Crichton and Spielberg have said it best themselves.

[00:05:43] It's a whole different animal. No pun.

[00:05:49] What was your reflections on this?

[00:05:55] You go first.

[00:05:58] There's no wrong answer. You know, you can be like, I love the movie, don't like the book.

[00:06:03] I like the book.

[00:06:05] The fascinating thing is for the very first time, because obviously I grew up in the early 2000s with nothing but the movie.

[00:06:12] I had no idea that at the time there was a book or anything.

[00:06:15] And I remember on a family excursion trip cross country,

[00:06:20] I remember that back in the day my Nintendo DS would not make the entire like five hour trip.

[00:06:26] So my mom had went out and bought me this book as a drastic part.

[00:06:31] It's like, oh, it's like the movie. That's cool.

[00:06:33] And you know, like everyone else in the car, they're all doing their own thing.

[00:06:37] But I based on the movie.

[00:06:38] Like, hey, it's kind of like, look, that's the dinosaur from the logo.

[00:06:41] Isn't it? I'm like, yeah, it looks like it.

[00:06:43] So it's got to be the same.

[00:06:46] So I start reading and I swear now here's the thing.

[00:06:49] I've never really won much been one for books before in my life.

[00:06:52] But when I started reading this book, I was that's right.

[00:06:55] You did mention that last time. Yeah.

[00:06:58] I was both like fascinated but also like very confused.

[00:07:02] Right. OK, so because obviously, you know, the way that the book opens up with like it's like Westworld 2.0.

[00:07:07] Another malfunctioning park also by Crichton.

[00:07:10] And of course, you know, because obviously, like I said, I watched them.

[00:07:13] I used to watch the movie like just just to like just to like up and off to sleep or I'd watch in my spare time.

[00:07:19] I watched it literally just like two days ago when my friends came over to visit.

[00:07:23] So like I pretty much had like this exact image and like sculpture of what Jurassic Park was in my mind.

[00:07:30] And I start reading this book and I'm thinking the very first thing, obviously, I'm thinking is like, well, who are all these?

[00:07:35] Who are these extra characters?

[00:07:36] And then, you know, you get to like, you know, it's like a little investigation of like how these animals have like gotten out to the mainland and they're biting like little.

[00:07:46] Oh, yeah. The biggest shock for me was how the the tower raid by the.

[00:07:57] And not not the Raptors, the pterodactyls.

[00:08:00] Yeah, that's in the third movie.

[00:08:02] But it's the original from the first book.

[00:08:05] So, yeah, that was always like the biggest charring.

[00:08:08] It's the aviary.

[00:08:09] I've seen it, but it's not the original.

[00:08:11] Oh, it's in the third.

[00:08:12] They adapted that into the third one.

[00:08:13] Yeah. And I.

[00:08:14] There's another.

[00:08:15] As well.

[00:08:16] Yeah. And I just like I said, I just I remember just getting into this getting into the beginning of this this novel that I never read at the time.

[00:08:24] And it just it like and for me, one of the biggest things for me, I suppose, to jump ahead here a little bit.

[00:08:29] But one of the biggest changes for me that I was kind of like always a bit dodgy on, but I always felt was super juxtaposed.

[00:08:37] I think the word is is that when we get to we get to meet Alan and Ellie and all them.

[00:08:42] And of course, they don't they're not described at all the way they described in the movie.

[00:08:45] And my brain's not really making the connection because I'm like, this isn't really this isn't exactly how I know it to be.

[00:08:51] You know, and they've had all this investigation.

[00:08:53] Up until this point, and it's been very intriguing up until then.

[00:08:56] And then Hammond calls him up on the phone and I don't know what happens to like in the back of my mind that he was he was absolutely just not at all what he was in the film.

[00:09:07] I've always seen the film version of Hammond as being like the nicest Scotsman that I've ever put.

[00:09:12] And in this movie, like the very first thing he's like he says in the book is like hell of an annoyance from some EPA fellows running around the calls.

[00:09:21] He is totally mouthing off.

[00:09:23] Yeah, I was like, as opposed to the more reserved, you know.

[00:09:27] Yeah, and like even because if you look at those first words and then the very first words Hammond says in the movie, you know, it's like when it's almost like they gave his dodgy persona to the poacher, you know, of a girl.

[00:09:38] Yeah, yeah, I have never seen a 50 like a 50 cent coin flip so much on one side and the other.

[00:09:46] It's just right. And always let's lose like other than 13th Warrior, almost every other book I've read, let alone a movie, you know, like Twister.

[00:09:55] He loves to just have his characters just kind of mouthing off being assholes.

[00:09:59] And I'm like, and I and I always wonder if he's in on the joke or if that's just how he talks and he's like, if you don't like it, fuck off.

[00:10:06] Well, I mean, because honestly, like again, because at the time that the very first time I read this book, I was I was so like not like distraught, but I was just so like kind of just confused.

[00:10:17] I was like, well, this doesn't sound at all like any of the characters that what they would say and what they would do.

[00:10:23] And like later on, like you said, like Hammond's being kind of an asshole towards most of his employees when they're finding out the animals have been breeding.

[00:10:29] And he's like, oh, I know what this means. It means you screwed up.

[00:10:32] This is this is your problem and you're breeding dinosaurs out there.

[00:10:35] It's like any and the thing.

[00:10:38] And again, the ironic thing for me and a Hammond in the book is that he never really like learns the lesson, any kind of lessons throughout the whole thing, like all the way up until again, super jump.

[00:10:47] He's kind of just a voyeur. But you're like, dude, are you taking note?

[00:10:51] You're a scientist. Yeah.

[00:10:53] And like when he's like perfect example for this, for me, it came as when he's having dinner with Wu and they've just discovered that the animals are breeding and Wu's trying to like get off to the lab to figure out what's going on.

[00:11:02] And he's invited. He's invited Wu off to have dinner with him and he's telling me he's got some concerns about the park.

[00:11:07] And when I first read that, he does get way more scenes in the book.

[00:11:11] That's right. Yeah.

[00:11:13] And again, he's like, oh, I've got some concerns about this park, Henry.

[00:11:16] I'm with Henry as well. I'm like, oh, thank God he's starting to acknowledge that this park has problems and that there's troubles afoot.

[00:11:23] And instead he goes, he said that I may not. He said my main worry is that I may not live to see the joy on the children's faces as they come into the park.

[00:11:30] I'm like, you're thinking still about opening this place? What are you talking about?

[00:11:36] I'm like, it's like people are out there getting bloody legs ripped off.

[00:11:39] What are you talking about? It's just like he doesn't he doesn't like learn anything throughout the book and the film.

[00:11:46] And I get that's why the movie Hammond version for me has always been so sweet because he hears that things are going wrong and that the important thing now is that you've lost control

[00:11:55] and these people are dying out here.

[00:11:57] And he learns from that mistake and he kind of sets himself on the right course even for the next movie and trying to protect them and stuff.

[00:12:03] But I just I don't know. It was so shocking to me, like I say, when I was younger and I read this like pretty much.

[00:12:08] Yeah, complete, complete 180 of the character that I had known for most of my young life just to be completely like just yeah, I don't know other end of the spectrum.

[00:12:18] And it just was stunning to me. But when I can't read more about the book, obviously, because you know, at the time I hadn't read a lot of stuff.

[00:12:25] Absolutely. I'm pretty sure even Dan would be able to agree with this.

[00:12:29] For me, at least the most exciting part of the book is when I think it's I think it's chapter 38.

[00:12:35] It's called Control, right? And it's when they're discovering chapters.

[00:12:41] Anyway, so it's this it's the it's the scene where like they're discovering that, you know, the Allen's found a little fragment of egg shell and it turns out it's like it's a dinosaur egg.

[00:12:51] Right. And they find like physical proof.

[00:12:54] And then Malcolm and throughout the whole time he's been on the island has been like gathering data and asking specific questions that when I'm reading it for the very first time, I don't understand what I'm with.

[00:13:04] Like the lawyer, Janara, I'm like, I don't understand why you why you asking about.

[00:13:08] Yeah, the lawyer guy does get more scenes in this too.

[00:13:11] And they yeah, because if there's any difference, you're like he's one and done in the movie.

[00:13:17] But in the novel, I do seem to vaguely remember you seal them with slime to where you're like a typical lawyer.

[00:13:22] Well, the thing is, yeah, they did it from in the novel is that they completely they changed the character more of a cover up.

[00:13:28] You're like this all the presidents men what's going on here?

[00:13:32] Because he was survived to the very end and died from dysentery between the first and second novel.

[00:13:37] Oh, my God, I was so shocked.

[00:13:39] I read that because I got all right. You just threw him off.

[00:13:41] He did really well in the book. He wasn't like he wasn't all in the movie.

[00:13:44] What are you talking about? Yeah, where he's just full of himself and he's like, who am I repping?

[00:13:50] Yeah, your investors, whom I represent are deeply concerned.

[00:13:54] Let's get right on. I was even more blown away how there was actually you know how there's those knockoff B movies by Roger Corman called Carnas or

[00:14:05] the Jurassic Park to the punch.

[00:14:07] I had no idea, but it was apparently based on a 1984 horror novel.

[00:14:12] Wow, the author.

[00:14:14] He's a Brit, John Brosnan, no relation.

[00:14:18] And he he didn't care for, you know, how it was a trashy B movie franchise.

[00:14:23] But he actually just found it kind of amusing how there's a scene in his book novel that's similar to the Jurassic Park adaptation where there's dinos rummaging through

[00:14:35] the museum.

[00:14:37] And he didn't want to reissue the book because he's like, people don't know enough about mine.

[00:14:41] It's going to just look like I'm just cashing in on Crichton.

[00:14:44] So surprisingly pretty civilized as opposed to back when Gremlins were and critters and other movies were coming out and everyone was pointing fingers at each other like you knew before we became a thing.

[00:14:56] And I'm like, I hate it when it becomes a Deep Space Nine or versus Babylon five routine.

[00:15:02] It's like, well, it doesn't matter who came first.

[00:15:05] Whoever gets turned out first.

[00:15:07] That's that's really what matters.

[00:15:09] Yeah, I hate to say it.

[00:15:11] You know, which one will be remembered throughout time?

[00:15:14] I guess is that could be very well it too.

[00:15:17] I if you look at any of the awful movies that Tarantino is inspired by, you'll be like, well, that was a piece of shit.

[00:15:24] But hey, it inspired someone to make a better movie off of that idea.

[00:15:29] So, you know, it just you don't have to do the whole off with your head routine that we used to do growing up where we're like, oh, it's good.

[00:15:37] Oh, it sucks or it's so bad.

[00:15:39] It's good. I'd say this book deserves a little bit of mercy because when he did a Jaws right after that, someone produced a piranha and universe.

[00:15:49] Yeah, Adam. Right.

[00:15:51] Because he was so similar in concept, at least to Jaws.

[00:15:54] But that but Spielberg and Joe Dante got along and brought it really is a historical movie just because like it's basically even closer to the Jaws novel where they're like, let's have the sheriff get his come up and let's have him be killed by the creatures.

[00:16:09] But because he's a crook and everything and he's not doing what he's supposed to do.

[00:16:13] But yeah, Spielberg found the movie so witty even by Roger Corman standards.

[00:16:17] And he's like, you know what? How would I give you a job working on, you know, the burbs and gremlins and what have you because you're the best of the rip off.

[00:16:28] So, you know, like just get him to like us off.

[00:16:31] Yeah, but Joe Dante is a lovely guy. I love him. Everything explorers, the howling and he's actually gone out of his way given how he is a B movie complaints to see some of the howling sequels.

[00:16:44] And he's just always guffawing. He's like, can you believe they went there?

[00:16:48] And same thing as Jaws. He's like, wow, they actually tried to get closer to the novel. Why did they even bother, you know, by part six or seven when they didn't care to begin with?

[00:16:58] So I was looking at the reviews of the first Jurassic Park book.

[00:17:01] The New York Times really, really loved it and contrasted it as a specimen of the Frankenstein myth and easily the best of Crichton's novels to date.

[00:17:11] While Gene Lyons of Entertainment Weekly

[00:17:17] noted how it was sheer intellectual entertainment because of up to date info and digestible forms.

[00:17:25] However, both he and Andrew Ferguson of the L.A.

[00:17:29] Times hated the characterization, calling it heavy handed and cliche and complained that Ian Malcolm.

[00:17:38] That's right. Jeff Goldwyn's character, Dime Store, philosophizing

[00:17:43] and predicted that the film adaptation would be undoubtedly trashy.

[00:17:47] Yeah, so they they kind of gave it a decent review, but only kind of like in a

[00:17:53] like a week, a week, you know, like three out of four or two out of and a half out of four.

[00:17:58] Just what barely passing.

[00:18:00] You're like, she is they hated this novel.

[00:18:04] That statement didn't exactly age very well because.

[00:18:07] Yeah, two years later.

[00:18:10] Later do they know famous characters?

[00:18:13] I mean, Jurassic Park was my intro to kind of Stan Winston who did.

[00:18:18] Oh, OK.

[00:18:19] Aliens Batman Returns T Terminator and you know, just all the creature features and bringing life to them.

[00:18:29] And the fact that, you know, I am doing the CGI, Phil Tippett's doing some of the

[00:18:34] pyrotechnic stuff and Winston's doing kind of more of the mechanical other close ups.

[00:18:41] The animatronics sort of side of it. Yeah.

[00:18:43] Interesting. Well, sad but interesting fact.

[00:18:45] That's part three. That was the last movie he ever had his name attached to, actually.

[00:18:49] Oh, really? Mm hmm.

[00:18:51] And sadly didn't really come in and build very much stuff.

[00:18:54] He just sort of showed up one day and said, Yep, that looks good.

[00:18:57] I'm on my way. Gotcha.

[00:18:59] So it was kind of like.

[00:19:01] So it was like a legend at that point.

[00:19:03] You know, it was like an Iron Man Doom and Terminator Salvation where they were using the studio,

[00:19:08] but he's just showing up and just saying looks nice.

[00:19:11] You know, he's saying looks all right.

[00:19:13] I'm dying of cancer here.

[00:19:14] So I'm like, bro, I'm Stan Winston.

[00:19:17] You know who I am? I'm the legend.

[00:19:18] You know who I am? I designed the predator for God's sake.

[00:19:22] I designed everything, everything you're going to like.

[00:19:25] I'm done.

[00:19:27] What did you need me for?

[00:19:29] I started the original novels back when I was in high school.

[00:19:34] Oh wow.

[00:19:35] Yeah.

[00:19:36] Oh, did you?

[00:19:37] Oh, can I have one?

[00:19:38] Gosh.

[00:19:39] So it was so incredible to see just how much darker it was when compared to the movies.

[00:19:46] So just to support you on your sad jack, it's pretty interesting to compare John Hammond.

[00:19:51] By the end of the book, you still think about how he hated Malcolm instead of blaming.

[00:19:56] Yeah.

[00:19:57] Yeah.

[00:19:58] Like woo and for Arnold and for like and saying that it was all that.

[00:20:01] And he says like Harding was just all right.

[00:20:05] Yeah.

[00:20:06] You got to say it was all right.

[00:20:09] I can't do that.

[00:20:11] Can you imagine Schwarzenegger as Dutch from Prater in Jurassic Park?

[00:20:17] I mean, one ugly motherfucker is about to get attacked by copies or what's the one creature that attacks Nedry in the movie that

[00:20:28] Lophosaurus me favorite one.

[00:20:30] Yeah, I can definitely see the frills come up.

[00:20:33] Yeah, that would be so good.

[00:20:34] Oh my God.

[00:20:35] That's a little bit of a fever dream.

[00:20:37] I would like that.

[00:20:38] If you shout out to this other podcast, if you want a fun movie podcast that's very chill, look at bad movies rule.

[00:20:46] And they give out sarcastic awards like the Stephen Seagal trash can full of dirt for worst performance.

[00:20:53] They give out the Will Padden Award for most intense actor in the movie.

[00:20:57] And then they'll always ask at the end, how would Schwarzenegger make this movie better?

[00:21:02] And they always give a disclaimer.

[00:21:03] We're not saying it wouldn't make it actually good.

[00:21:05] We're just saying it'd be more entertaining like in a bad so bad.

[00:21:08] It's good.

[00:21:10] Ridiculous manner.

[00:21:12] And you see, it's like don't have a bit into the movie actually understand what has done because Grant says that he decided not to approve the park.

[00:21:21] And he said, well, so do I.

[00:21:23] So it's just fun.

[00:21:25] And you don't really.

[00:21:27] Not to a park.

[00:21:29] I guess so.

[00:21:30] And you don't really see as much of the relationship with him and Laura Dern's character.

[00:21:36] Because in the novel, that is that's that's a clear opposite.

[00:21:40] They even Tim later in like in the middle of the book says like, are you and Dr.

[00:21:43] Stanley?

[00:21:44] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:21:45] Elliott.

[00:21:46] He's like, no, she's marrying a nice doctor down in Seattle.

[00:21:48] So they make them as separate as you can as opposed to in the movies where you're trying to implying it, but you don't really know.

[00:21:55] Yeah.

[00:21:56] Well, that's the thing because, yeah, in the movie, they were supposed to be more like clear cut sort of together.

[00:22:00] But, yeah, for whatever reason, they didn't they didn't do that.

[00:22:03] And then.

[00:22:04] And.

[00:22:05] And.

[00:22:06] Marcus will be disgusting with her even like when they.

[00:22:09] So slick.

[00:22:10] And when this tune that the chopper, he goes like, yeah, I love to spend a whole day looking at your legs.

[00:22:16] Yeah, that's the one line maybe that didn't make super well for me.

[00:22:20] I would have done.

[00:22:21] Which line again?

[00:22:22] So.

[00:22:23] So he so Malcolm gets on the plane on the plane to dress park and he the very first thing that Ellie says to him, she goes, she says, isn't it a little warm for black because he's dressed in all black.

[00:22:32] And he goes, you're extremely pretty, Dr. Sattler.

[00:22:34] I could look at your legs all day.

[00:22:36] Yeah.

[00:22:37] He's a sleeve.

[00:22:38] Oh, be gross.

[00:22:40] Be gross.

[00:22:41] So strange to me.

[00:22:42] Well, I mean, there are other ways you could do that.

[00:22:45] But for me, like the thing with Malcolm.

[00:22:46] I think Crichton was a perv though, because you kind of get that in a lot of stuff and I don't.

[00:22:52] He was a doctor.

[00:22:53] He was a doctor.

[00:22:54] Oh, so that makes it OK.

[00:22:56] I'm not here to attack Mr. Crichton's character.

[00:22:59] No, no, no.

[00:23:00] I've only heard.

[00:23:01] I mean, I did hear how during the making of Rising Sun, another.

[00:23:07] You know, movie that came out around the same time that was adapted from his work.

[00:23:11] I've tried reading it before.

[00:23:13] It's very outdated.

[00:23:15] Just talking about the whole scare of, oh, my God, the Japanese are taking over America and I know I didn't.

[00:23:24] It's a fun movie as a buddy film meets Chinatown, just seeing two inspectors with nothing in common.

[00:23:33] You know, and just a cool kung fu movie for Wesley Snipes and Sean Connery fans.

[00:23:41] But what's so funny is just you got freaking Philip Kaufman, one of the guys who came up with the story for Raiders of the Lost Ark,

[00:23:49] who's gone on to do all kinds of.

[00:23:53] Just great blockbuster movies like The Right Stuff and The Wanderers, Henry and June and the 78 Nation of the Body Snatchers.

[00:24:03] And he just was just endlessly dogged by right.

[00:24:07] And Crichton was like, oh, fuck you. I want to take my name off it.

[00:24:10] And then it won't sell.

[00:24:11] And I heard that Crichton actually didn't like Rising Sun's the film.

[00:24:14] He was like, yeah, but he just wanted.

[00:24:18] He was one of those where instead of just being like Stephen King usually is, where he's like, I just am going to talk shit about it anyway.

[00:24:25] I just want a paycheck like he wouldn't.

[00:24:28] It was almost as bad as The Thirteenth Warrior, where he would keep coming onto the set and direct his own version of scenes.

[00:24:35] And the editor just had to decide, what do I do?

[00:24:38] You know, that's not the director directing today.

[00:24:42] Same kind of deal here where he's like, I hate everything about it, but he wouldn't even be constructive.

[00:24:47] It was like, well, what do you want changed?

[00:24:50] You've had months to change the script.

[00:24:53] You know, if you don't want us to shoot that, you can say something.

[00:24:57] But yeah, it just seems like so many of these authors and like studios weren't doing a proper channel and like debriefing at all.

[00:25:06] And it's like, well, come on.

[00:25:08] You know, just authors can influence their fans and kill a movie and prevent it from having any success.

[00:25:14] And then there's other times where you got to let bygones be bygones.

[00:25:18] I remember hearing the author of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest like never gave the movie a proper chance.

[00:25:25] And then he found himself almost enjoying it one day when he heard like he was watching TV and it came on.

[00:25:30] He's like, that sounds like something I would have written.

[00:25:33] Oh, is that that? That's not my movie.

[00:25:35] I refuse to watch this based on my work.

[00:25:37] It's like, how cynical do you got to be?

[00:25:39] It's a damn good movie adaptation be damned.

[00:25:42] I don't care if they changed everything.

[00:25:44] It's a good movie.

[00:25:47] I guess the thing about the creators really, you know, like you started the whole universe.

[00:25:52] Jack and I, we are writers.

[00:25:54] We know how much would suffer someone dismantle our universe and try to put it back together.

[00:26:00] I mean, you can't always win.

[00:26:02] But then there's other ones where it's just like like look at a typical John Grisham adaptation.

[00:26:07] Like I haven't read Runaway Jury.

[00:26:10] I'm sure it's very convoluted if I were to read the novel version compared to the movie version, which is dissecting as much of as it as it can.

[00:26:18] But like I've read A Time to Kill. Great book.

[00:26:21] Excellent movie.

[00:26:24] I saw one person just nitpicking.

[00:26:27] Oh, they took this out. They took that out.

[00:26:29] I'm like, yeah, because it's not theatrical.

[00:26:31] Like if you showed, for instance, how Sam Jackson's vigilante character got the gun and everything and attacked the prisoners, like you would lose suspense if you put that in the movie.

[00:26:45] Yeah.

[00:26:46] And it would just it would eat up 30 minutes and just you'd be like, well, what now?

[00:26:50] It's unnecessary.

[00:26:52] So I believe that everyone should give in a bit.

[00:26:54] You know, both the director, the writer and the author.

[00:26:58] There's plenty of awful movies that are just bad just because like they violate every rule of the screenplays.

[00:27:06] Like the tone is compromised.

[00:27:09] How many video games movies have you seen where you're like, hey, I'm not even crazy about that game, but this just sucks as a movie.

[00:27:17] Like, there's no comprehension of what's going on.

[00:27:20] It's just, man, confusing.

[00:27:23] It's shitty.

[00:27:26] Like I can understand someone liking Street Fighter or even either version of Mario Brothers, but I can never understand someone liking Double Dragon because Double Dragon is just like a mess.

[00:27:36] Like it doesn't know what it wants to be.

[00:27:39] It's just bad.

[00:27:42] I mean, the Mario Brothers.

[00:27:46] Yeah, I know.

[00:27:47] I don't like it, but I know people who are fans of it.

[00:27:49] They find it campy and stupid.

[00:27:51] I can understand Street Fighter at least because it's by the guys who did Commando and Die Hard and the Van Damme film.

[00:27:56] But then there are other ones where just like, hey, you know, I get that they didn't get the game right at all, but it's kind of just a silly, cheesy Sunday night movie.

[00:28:05] But then there's other ones where it's like, you know what they got right or not.

[00:28:10] Like I can understand someone liking something like Doom with the Rock, you know, good or bad or so bad it's good.

[00:28:16] It's just another, you know, aliens Predator type movies.

[00:28:19] Like I get it.

[00:28:20] OK, definitely.

[00:28:21] But then yeah, then there are other ones like U-Ball stuff where you're just like, I can't even see what's going on.

[00:28:28] This is just boring.

[00:28:31] Looks like a student film.

[00:28:33] So The Lost World, I tried growing up reading this one.

[00:28:39] You know, like the movie is already critically divided, like you either like it or hate it.

[00:28:43] I was I loved it growing up and then kind of as I got older, I always felt like it was kind of a lesser temple of Doom where they spend so much of the movie.

[00:28:53] You know, Malcolm and his ex wife, you know, Julianne Moore, you know, just arguing back and forth and his daughter knows martial arts.

[00:29:01] I think the creature effects in that last 20 minutes are fun, but, oh man, I can't rewatch it nowadays.

[00:29:09] It's just 40 minutes of suspense.

[00:29:12] It's for me.

[00:29:14] For me, it's again when it comes to the movie and the novel, it's again, it's a massive juxtaposition between both of which one.

[00:29:20] Yeah, it's so different to like it is vastly different.

[00:29:23] And I've got to be honest, as somebody who didn't even read the novel again until like his early teenage years, like and I only had the movie growing up.

[00:29:32] Like, I don't know how it turned out so even Spielberg was kind of disappointed years later where he's like, yeah, he kind of he took it as seriously as like a lesser Indiana Jones where he's like, well, I just made sequels.

[00:29:48] Yeah, he was kind of just like the script wasn't there.

[00:29:51] So I just wanted to make an easy thrill ride.

[00:29:53] But what's funny is apparently Crichton wrote a different draft of this book that had Elliot Wu, the brother of Henry Wu from the.

[00:30:02] Yes, yes, the king of East La Sona living on East La Sona, amongst the dinosaurs, fully native.

[00:30:08] Yeah, I've seen that one.

[00:30:11] And he was supposed to find the survivors and apparently, yeah, just he alternated it so much.

[00:30:21] I guess he just he didn't use that part of the draft.

[00:30:24] But yeah, no. So I get so I'm kind of disappointed by either version of this.

[00:30:30] I can understand Lost World fans.

[00:30:33] You know, I get it. It's popcorn. Go have fun with the car chases and everything.

[00:30:39] I mean, in fact, that's the first movie I saw.

[00:30:43] Richard Schiff and Toby from the West Wing getting ripped apart by two dinos.

[00:30:49] But so when I read this book, I just kind of was scratching my head the whole time.

[00:30:55] Like, what's going on here? You know, and I just lost track of every other person.

[00:31:01] Pete Postol ways.

[00:31:03] Roland guy was kind of in here, but instead of being kind of the guy who will,

[00:31:08] you know, gladly overstep and kill anything that moves,

[00:31:13] I kind of just got even more confused by all the other guys.

[00:31:17] It's kind of more sadistic if you think about it like they reveal at the last minute.

[00:31:21] Hey, there's a lamb extract. We gave all the dials. So they're going to die anyway.

[00:31:25] I'm like, so why are we trying to hunt them down if they're all going to die anyway?

[00:31:31] You know, when you watch one of the interviews that Mike Bryson gave,

[00:31:35] you have the feeling that I mean, not even just the feeling because he said that pretty clearly.

[00:31:40] I didn't know what to do with the story afterwards.

[00:31:44] And he did. And he said that people were sending suggestions and he said they were all terrible.

[00:31:52] But that's what I didn't understand when the guy who created that HBO anthology show True Detective

[00:31:58] was like he got all the Emmys that year and then he's like, oh, by the way, it was only good enough.

[00:32:02] Good for one season anyway. I'm like, well, then why do you say yes to four more seasons?

[00:32:09] I don't understand when people do that.

[00:32:12] And it makes me go, you don't even deserve the credit if you're going to be that stuck up.

[00:32:17] Come up with an idea and make it land.

[00:32:21] And that's not saying that's it. I don't want to continue this.

[00:32:26] Call a spade a spade instead of being like, oh, yes.

[00:32:31] Like I've been researching the new Battlestar lately and apparently George R.

[00:32:36] Martin hated the finale. I'm like, oh, how ironic a man who can't even finish his fucking books

[00:32:42] and shows hates on other people's finales.

[00:32:47] He asked Stephen King how come he can write so much and King just said, well, I sit down

[00:32:53] and write four pages a day. That's how I do it.

[00:32:56] It was flabbergasted.

[00:32:59] So my theory, my theory when it comes to the movie and the movie and the film version of The Lost World

[00:33:04] is that I get the feeling that when they read the book, the you know, the producers and everything,

[00:33:09] not Spielberg specifically, but like the writers and how to like the people who have to condense the story down.

[00:33:13] Right. I get the feeling that they didn't really like how Crichton went about it because in the book

[00:33:19] it's a lot more of like a like a like a small I wouldn't be surprised if he was rushed because I know he did say on the record

[00:33:26] previously. I've never done. Yeah, I've never done a sequel before.

[00:33:30] My work. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:33:32] And what I reckon it is that because in the in the book you like obviously like everyone who was

[00:33:37] affiliated with InGen and Jurassic Park, the first one, the most of them are all dead and the ones who aren't there.

[00:33:44] Like Malcolm was previously thought to have been killed and then so lo and behold, he he we weren't clear cut.

[00:33:51] That was that was that was good.

[00:33:55] I like that. That's that's ironic to me.

[00:33:57] It is ironic.

[00:33:59] But I recall so many people like drowning or something.

[00:34:02] And then Malcolm was speeding off and like motorcycles and everything.

[00:34:06] And it's so weird because they had the movie. You remember all these other, you know, shady exacts and everything.

[00:34:12] But here you're just like very like it's very distorted.

[00:34:16] I'm like, I don't know which meathead I'm rooting for to die.

[00:34:20] But I'm it's not very compelling.

[00:34:22] Well, that's that's the ironic part, you see, because like when they when I want them to die, but I'm not really interested in how they die

[00:34:29] because in the movie, Hammond, they basically speed run the entire backstory of Site B.

[00:34:35] I love that term. Yeah, speedrun.

[00:34:37] That's literally the motorcycle speed running because because in the book, obviously it's a lot more of a slow pace

[00:34:45] because since everybody is like dead or not affiliated with InGen anymore, they have no idea where this secret factory floor is.

[00:34:52] And it's really true.

[00:34:54] They do try to read a factory.

[00:34:56] Yeah, they have to try to get the DNA sample to figure out where it's where.

[00:35:00] Which was another issue with the movie version.

[00:35:02] Like when you see that, you're like, so this giant crate there on crashed into like New York or whatever.

[00:35:09] Or is it L.A. or New York? They crash.

[00:35:11] It's California.

[00:35:14] Yeah. OK. So let's just say L.A. venture just for the hell of it.

[00:35:19] And I love how they're like, oh, and the pilot's dead.

[00:35:23] But where are the dinos?

[00:35:25] And of course, they go and the dinos start bursting out.

[00:35:27] You're like, well, so what are then what have the dinos been doing this whole time?

[00:35:32] Like, well, that part just confused the living god out of me when I was a kid because it is a thing.

[00:35:37] So they only had like a Rex on board and somehow the dude's hand on the boat single.

[00:35:42] Yes.

[00:35:45] I had to go looking up on like a hundred different forms and orgs back in the day, like on like just like on like JP.org and stuff.

[00:35:54] Right. I read like a suggestion of how it worked.

[00:35:57] And then obviously, you know, years later, they revealed that there was concept art that there was supposed to be velociraptors on that boat as well.

[00:36:04] They were taking the movie went so fast. No one questioned it.

[00:36:07] It was like this bus jump in speed where you're like, OK, I mean, in the book, which is funny because that's actually what it is.

[00:36:13] And that's what that was Spielberg's little amusing jab at other blockbusters at the time.

[00:36:18] And he had already hired speed redger Jean Dubont to helm twister for his production company and Michael Crichton.

[00:36:26] So but it all flows together.

[00:36:28] But I had always made me get far growing up in like is that the same bus, Annie and Jack from speed?

[00:36:33] But yeah, you're always like, so that hand, this guy lost everything except his hand and that hand was strong enough to still crash that ship.

[00:36:43] Strong enough to hold onto the button to keep the Rex down.

[00:36:47] I'm like for years I was just so confused.

[00:36:49] And it turned out because again, like I say, obviously, there was supposed to conceptually, it was supposed to be velociraptors had gotten free on the boat.

[00:36:55] And they had obviously those three animals had gone through and massacred most of the crew, which, you know, I think that's the only way to go about it.

[00:37:02] Which, you know, sadly never explains that.

[00:37:05] Never explained that, unfortunately.

[00:37:06] So for years I just thought like somehow the T-Rex managed to get its head inside of the cabin's window without destroying the window and pull the guy's hand off.

[00:37:14] Maybe it was the baby T-Rex.

[00:37:16] That doesn't make sense.

[00:37:18] The babies with Malcolm.

[00:37:19] The baby's already been flown in.

[00:37:21] Oh, if you read this, get a whole video.

[00:37:23] Yeah, it was a panasaurus.

[00:37:25] Oh yeah, there you go.

[00:37:27] And then he got away to part three.

[00:37:30] There you go.

[00:37:31] Oh, Jesus Christ.

[00:37:33] So here are the hysterical reviews.

[00:37:36] So eight weeks and number one in the New York Times bestseller list from 95 to October to March of 96.

[00:37:47] People magazine writes action packed and camera ready.

[00:37:51] The Lost World is to its predecessor what microwave dinners are to home cooked meals.

[00:37:56] Hardly authentic, but in a pinch fully satisfying.

[00:37:58] That is so long story short, not as good, but still fun.

[00:38:03] OK, cool.

[00:38:05] New York Times wrote gave the novel a negative review calling it a tired rehash.

[00:38:11] Entertainment Weekly gave it a B minus saying that it's like a video game and prose.

[00:38:15] A few hundred frantic pages of run, hide, kill and die over and over again.

[00:38:20] Once again, complained about the lack of characterization.

[00:38:23] I was going to say when?

[00:38:25] When?

[00:38:26] Like at the last third of the movie.

[00:38:27] Sorry, last third of the book.

[00:38:29] Yeah, that's pretty much all I remember too is people drowning, other murders getting killed and other people who I couldn't apart.

[00:38:38] I have a I've told us speaking to Dan about this before came in the past about this.

[00:38:42] There's two massive you just reminded me with the drowning thing.

[00:38:45] There's two massive changes that would make to each of these books, right?

[00:38:49] Sure.

[00:38:50] Two massive things. So for the very first one, this is very simple.

[00:38:52] And I feel like as a guy who has listened to this again 15 times in the last year consecutively, I feel like I'm I feel like I've had enough time to really remanate on these two changes and really get into this.

[00:39:04] First one is in the very first book, right?

[00:39:06] Just park.

[00:39:08] Jesus.

[00:39:09] Okay.

[00:39:10] The character of Lex Murphy, right?

[00:39:12] The little girl in the first book, right?

[00:39:14] That's what I read up to.

[00:39:15] That's right.

[00:39:16] That the copy was originally meant for the first book and so crying and put it in there.

[00:39:21] But yeah, it's very overwhelming when you read it now.

[00:39:25] Yeah, here's the thing for me, Cam Lex Lex Murphy does not need to be in that first book whatsoever.

[00:39:32] She attributes nothing to the plot.

[00:39:34] She does everything to go out of her way, to make everything just miserable for the people.

[00:39:39] She's always reminding people they're hungry, always complaining.

[00:39:42] Just it's it's true.

[00:39:44] As soon as she gets as soon as she gets to that island, mate, part of me in the back of my mind checks out because I'm like, oh, here's the there's the tremors connection for you.

[00:39:51] Yeah.

[00:39:52] And I'm like, if you could say I wish you had been in Italy, Travis.

[00:39:56] Yeah.

[00:39:57] And I'm just like, everything that they do in that book, you could give it to Tim because not only is like Tim actually interested in these animals, but like, you know, he's the one in like the in the book, in the book, at least who does like the hacking and stuff like that.

[00:40:10] Whereas Lex in the movies.

[00:40:12] Wonderful.

[00:40:13] Absolutely.

[00:40:14] You know, like great person, great character in the book for me, my if you like if I could ever have like somehow got someone to make it like an edited version where you just take all those parts of Lex out and then you give the important that she does to Tim.

[00:40:25] Like that would have just made them like the novel just jump up in my eyes because I just I can't stand how just whiny whiny and unnecessary she is in that first book.

[00:40:34] Right. And yeah, that's my only massive complaint with the very first book.

[00:40:38] Right. And where whereas the second one is a sort of a more of an a bit of an intricate change right that makes and you've just reminded me because of the drowning statement.

[00:40:47] So the part you're talking about is obviously when Sarah Harding is on the boat with what's his name?

[00:40:54] It was Louis Dodson and yeah, Louis Dodson.

[00:40:57] Yeah. And they get taken to the island.

[00:40:59] Right. Yeah.

[00:41:00] That whole scene, I can't I can't begin to explain how confusing it is for me that you wrote it that way because now here's the thing.

[00:41:07] You got to get Sarah to the island, of course, because, you know, she's supposed to be there and that's all great.

[00:41:11] But like the more stuff you add, the more you're like, wait, what?

[00:41:15] Yeah. It is a thing, right?

[00:41:17] So when you like, OK, so let me just back up.

[00:41:21] So my change for the it's all very relevant because like when you're reading a book, you're not sure, regardless of whether you've seen an adaptation of before where your mind is going to go.

[00:41:31] Who do I focus on?

[00:41:33] Definitely. And the thing for me is like Sarah in the books, obviously she's super well, you know, well well known.

[00:41:39] She's she's admired by Kelly and all that stuff.

[00:41:41] But the first mistake I see that happens in the novel of The Lost World is that when Sarah goes back to Africa, right?

[00:41:47] And she's there for like 18 months.

[00:41:49] Oh, that's right. There's a lot of globetrotting in these that make you think more Indiana Jones there.

[00:41:56] Yeah. Yeah. Here's the thing.

[00:41:57] It feels so odd how she's playing catch up throughout the rest of the movie.

[00:42:02] Right. And I'm sure that the reason is because if she got there to the island earlier, like she could have figured out a lot of the things going on there and you have to bring her in for the last.

[00:42:08] That's what I kind of. Yeah, because like in the movie, they're smart, but they're doing stupid stuff.

[00:42:14] You know, personal. But no, that's good.

[00:42:16] That's a good point, too. There's a lot of questions asked in this movie that it almost feels like it reminds me of a shitty CSI knockoff or why are they asking questions?

[00:42:25] They would already know when their detectives. Yeah.

[00:42:28] How did they get this fucking rank? Or does that not mean anything?

[00:42:33] Yeah. And the thing for me is that like the only change I would have made in that second book is that you have Sarah stay with them.

[00:42:40] Yeah, when they go when they go to the island at the first time, when they have to go looking for Levine, right?

[00:42:47] You keep her with you because not only like again, I get it. She studies in Africa and all that sort of jazz.

[00:42:53] But if you have it with you at the start, Toto say hi to me for me.

[00:42:57] Yeah. And like you could start like having her like understanding the ecosystem of the island because that's what she is.

[00:43:02] She's an animal like behavior. She like studies the way animals behave.

[00:43:05] Yes. And there's a specific thing that has always kind of bug me is that in the book, right?

[00:43:09] There's there's another species of hadrosaur called the myasaurus, right?

[00:43:12] It's a good mother lizard. They're like, you know, they care for their babies and stuff like that.

[00:43:16] But the end of the book, like the main cast a group like Malcolm and Levine and all them.

[00:43:21] They the the myasaur roll up on this car that Dodson and them have stolen eggs from right later on.

[00:43:27] Roger. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they go Dodson goes like, no, not Dodson.

[00:43:30] Sorry. Levine goes like, oh, myasaur. I didn't even know there are any here.

[00:43:34] Well, this is the thing, right? If you have Sarah on the island at the beginning,

[00:43:37] you could have had a whole nother like beautiful little section where she's like off with these like hadrosaur

[00:43:43] and studying them and paying attention to them and stuff like that so that they know that what kind of different species are on the island

[00:43:49] and that they know they can just sit down and breathe for a minute instead of exactly.

[00:43:54] And so just like hiding up in the high high and just running away all the time like that.

[00:43:58] That's funny. Jurassic Park, I often see cited as the best example of

[00:44:02] like whenever you want someone to be like the know it all, like introduce your whole concept.

[00:44:09] You want to make one of your characters kind of be a scientist.

[00:44:11] So I do often see, you know, like Star Trek and Jurassic Park and cited because you believe everything they're saying,

[00:44:18] even if the science actually doesn't legit work.

[00:44:21] But it's interesting here how Crichton is legit, you know, has studied everything from.

[00:44:28] I mean, the dude fucking created E.R., you know, is like so you see him.

[00:44:34] I both am admiration of them.

[00:44:37] And then there's other times where it's just like, yeah, I feel like he's just outlined it and sped through it instead of creating any of the characters.

[00:44:47] But yeah, I know that you brought up another good point.

[00:44:49] There's a lot of it's kind of a script writing dense.

[00:44:55] I'm not a I'm not a nitpicker like this.

[00:44:58] No, no, I'm not. Technically, technically, this is doing more telling than showing as it's supposed to.

[00:45:06] I would hope which which sucks because you kind of want I want you to show me more like instead of telling.

[00:45:13] Yeah. And then speeding along.

[00:45:15] Yeah. And the thing that always kind of confused me is that like so Dodd Johnson invites Sarah to go with him to the boat.

[00:45:21] That's how they do it in the novel. Right. And when they're on the boat, he's like, well, you know, who knew you were coming here and like, who did you tell you were coming here?

[00:45:28] And what's up with you and Ian and stuff like that? So he gives her the right.

[00:45:32] So the issues in the movie are also in the box or off the boat that he just throws out the book.

[00:45:38] What's even the point then? Why do you bring it then if you're just going to murder it?

[00:45:42] I don't understand. That's where I the book really lost me because they don't show any of that in the movie.

[00:45:48] They just show what in the movie is pretty much it's like a typical right in the movie.

[00:45:55] It's more like aliens where we got to have a Paul Reiser and you know, Sarah's the Sigourney Weaver of the team saving everybody.

[00:46:03] But but you know, he's a corporate goon, yada yada.

[00:46:06] And he'll kill anyone he needs to just capture the dinos for experimentation.

[00:46:11] But it's just yeah, in the in the book, you're just like, so who can I trust?

[00:46:17] Because virtually everybody is backstabbing. It's like a B movie but with no pause button.

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[00:48:04] It's like if you were to take like a lesser like Frankenstein or Creature from the Black Lagoon,

[00:48:13] but everybody is like a walking target.

[00:48:16] You know, it's not very interesting unless you're doing it in like a video game kind of segment where you're like,

[00:48:23] OK, well, that's at least I'm involved in the action.

[00:48:26] So whatever, you know, but when you're reading it, you're just like, what's going on?

[00:48:33] You know, that's the only point of killing Sarah, or trying to at least, because then you see just how evil Dyson really is.

[00:48:40] Because in the first movie...

[00:48:42] I guess, but like you did that by showing him stealing dinosaur babies, man.

[00:48:45] I mean, it's the secret of the story.

[00:48:47] So what? He didn't kill anything by doing that.

[00:48:49] You see how evil someone is by killing a child or killing someone else.

[00:48:53] Oh, come on. Bloody hell.

[00:48:55] I've seen people say like, oh, well, why didn't he bring any guns to the islands?

[00:48:58] Because he wasn't meant to like he's not trying to bloody cause bloody damage to the like the animals themselves.

[00:49:03] Like he needs these animals.

[00:49:04] He just had to quickly sneak in, grab the eggs and bugger off like within five hours.

[00:49:08] That's a very bloody good little plan, I reckon, you know?

[00:49:12] So those are the only two main changes I would make in the in both books.

[00:49:17] I would get rid of Lex for the first one because she adds nothing.

[00:49:20] And I would have Sarah be with them throughout the whole book because there are other things you can be doing with her.

[00:49:26] You know, she can and she can be discovering like why these animals are getting sick.

[00:49:30] She could be like documenting like what's happening on the island.

[00:49:33] Why is this disease spreading? How are they infecting them and stuff like that?

[00:49:37] And they do kind of do that towards the end of the book.

[00:49:39] But it's just I don't know. It's very I recall them showing some extended deleted scenes with Dobson from the first movie.

[00:49:47] And that was very confusing.

[00:49:48] Like, oh, they're showing stuff in the first movie on this Jurassic Park extended tape.

[00:49:53] Yeah, I mean, I though I cannot lie, though.

[00:49:55] I mean, then you did a little little segment a little while ago about deleted scenes in Jurassic Park movies.

[00:50:00] Oh, I didn't get it or not. You just.

[00:50:04] And I'm not going to lie, though, for me, the one that really I just don't know why I enjoy it so much now.

[00:50:09] Like I've put it on just in the background sometimes and it only goes for about like two minutes or something like that.

[00:50:13] But it's the boardroom meeting scene at the beginning of The Lost World where he goes on for a while.

[00:50:20] Yeah, yeah. He's explaining properly.

[00:50:22] It's like, oh, well, you know, like, oh, silence is expensive.

[00:50:24] You know, it's talking about the millions of dollars that they're owning and the company is like bleeding from the throat.

[00:50:29] I'm like that. I don't know why. That is so fascinating to me now that I'm obviously like I'm an adult and I can understand.

[00:50:35] Right. No, that's a good point.

[00:50:37] As a kid, you're just like looking at my wife.

[00:50:40] But when you get older, it's but see, I'm glad they don't get too detailed with it because it almost risks kind of becoming kind of like.

[00:50:49] Child's play where you're like, why is this company that sells all these toys that kill people, you know, still in business?

[00:50:54] You know, instead it's kind of just like, OK, OK.

[00:50:57] So they got other corporate guys on it and they're trying to contain the situation.

[00:51:03] Yeah, the way the Wicca has a funny article on Dodgson noting how he looks.

[00:51:09] He seems to resemble Apple CEO Tim Cook. Tim Cook.

[00:51:13] Oh, the irony, Dan, the irony of that, isn't it?

[00:51:16] Because years later, obviously now in the most recent movie in Dominion, they've made jokes that the actor who they had to reprise the role of Dodgson, who was a different bloke from the original movie, he is absolutely taken on the persona of a Tim Cook.

[00:51:29] Like he's like the head of like a big Apple.

[00:51:32] Yeah, conglomerate. And I'm just like, oh, that is that is ironic.

[00:51:36] That is ironic. Now you say that.

[00:51:39] And that actor who played him in Dominion is just great for that because I was watching the Blacklist literally like two days ago and they have the same actor play the same role in the Blacklist.

[00:51:49] Really? I haven't finished that show, that's a really good show.

[00:51:52] Yeah, they go like, yeah, there is this geneticist here who's also the CEO of our company. In comes freaking Louis Dodgson from Dominion.

[00:52:01] You're like, oh, he had some fun concepts. It's just that female agent was so fucking terrible in that show.

[00:52:08] Oh, she was out. She was out. She was out the reason I stuck around for the first bit of the interest of it.

[00:52:13] Apparently, I haven't gotten to the end. I haven't gotten to the end yet, but I've heard of.

[00:52:17] Well, it'll drive you crazy.

[00:52:19] Oh, boy.

[00:52:23] You were expressing your hatred towards Lex.

[00:52:27] I was reading a GP and I didn't remember that she was the one who spotted the rap song about it, but that's another thing that Tim might as well have done.

[00:52:38] They have the goggles and stuff in the car.

[00:52:41] Like it just like I would have dared you or anybody listening to come up with one significant thing that had to be uniquely towards her that you couldn't just kind of stitch on to Tim.

[00:52:50] Like I beg you. Like I mean, there is nothing and I've been through this book so many times.

[00:52:56] All she does is she's hungry. And it's just and I get it.

[00:53:00] The idea is that like the story is meant to be told to a child's eyes.

[00:53:02] That was Crichton's original vision for the original book.

[00:53:05] And then they told him to sell it. And I get that.

[00:53:08] But my God, my God, man, like you could like like you could see the movie through Tim's eyes.

[00:53:14] Tim's at least I guess I guess I guess you can say it's like because he's older.

[00:53:17] He's two years older. He understands how to be a little bit more mature about these sorts of things.

[00:53:21] And like he's like even when the Rex is like wrapping its tongue around him and dragging him out of the waterfall, like after the tranquilizer.

[00:53:28] Yeah, yeah. Like he doesn't.

[00:53:31] He doesn't sing in TLC.

[00:53:32] No, you're good. I love it.

[00:53:33] So yeah, like he doesn't want the animal to die and stuff like that.

[00:53:36] And like he gets it like he understands like these animals are just like animals are not trying to be all significant.

[00:53:40] She's all like, oh, really? Well, you wouldn't be saying that if you're really stomach right now.

[00:53:44] It's like, yeah, but that's he's a carnival girl. Calm down.

[00:53:48] That's what you're talking about. Like what are we doing here?

[00:53:51] And she doesn't know a thing. She says that reptiles don't swim.

[00:53:56] Snakes can't swim. Of course, snakes can swim. You idiot.

[00:54:00] It's like, oh, my God. OK, I'm just like, oh, and I've said before, I'm like, throw her overboard, throw her overboard, make a bolt for it.

[00:54:08] Just give it to the rex. You do get away.

[00:54:10] And right after that, what do you think?

[00:54:12] I blame Mr. DNA.

[00:54:14] That piece of white plastic is her and it's her corpse.

[00:54:19] I was like, oh, finally. Oh, no, it's not.

[00:54:21] You're like, oh, no, it's just a life vest.

[00:54:23] Oh, damn it.

[00:54:24] Oh, it's all good. Yeah.

[00:54:26] No, I don't recall in the so I just recall his daughter, Malcolm's daughter, just being annoying in the book as opposed to in the movie where wine, wine, wine.

[00:54:37] Hey, by the way, Dad, I've been taking Kung Fu.

[00:54:39] Let me, you know, kick a raptor and impel it.

[00:54:43] Do you want to handle that?

[00:54:45] There's always where you're like, well, that's cool.

[00:54:47] But where did that come from again?

[00:54:50] Well, is it there? Right?

[00:54:52] No, Kung Fu.

[00:54:54] Well, that's another massive, vast change from the book and from the novel, you see, because in the novel, Kelly and the other kid named R.

[00:55:03] So in the movie, they like compressed them into.

[00:55:06] Yeah, like the same thing.

[00:55:07] Like I'm serious because like in the novel, he's like, they go out of his way.

[00:55:11] So that RB is black. Right.

[00:55:13] And in the in the in the movie, they kind of literally just meshed those two characters together.

[00:55:17] They give the name of the girl and the actress of the boy and they put them together.

[00:55:21] And in that movie, yeah, it's the gymnastics scene is what you're thinking of when she's spinning around on the top and just kicks about the one that is.

[00:55:28] I know. Yeah, I know.

[00:55:29] That's where most people definitely started clicking out there like what?

[00:55:32] And the Raptor keeps watching it.

[00:55:35] And I was like, well, what's this girl gonna do?

[00:55:38] You're an animal like that and you see some crazy spinning shit.

[00:55:41] I mean, of course you get a stare at it.

[00:55:43] What is going on here?

[00:55:44] And then boom, oh, no, I'm stabbed.

[00:55:45] So like, yeah, like, I mean, I get that.

[00:55:47] But it's like, geez, Louise, like, and the thing is in the book, I like the kids in the book so much more in the second novel because both the kids are actually doing stuff.

[00:55:56] You know, Arby's a little bit of a tech genius.

[00:55:57] He gets the site B system back up and running.

[00:55:59] And then even later, like, you know, like Kelly, you kind of forget about it because they're just all spouting techno babble as opposed to all say, you know, Malcolm, say, you know, bro, I can't even explain how much I love the techno babbles.

[00:56:12] It sounds kind of not.

[00:56:14] Yeah, no, this is not a bash, but you do forget that kids because they're talking so lightning fast for people their age.

[00:56:21] You're like, well, and this is that with the genetics with this dino do that.

[00:56:26] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:56:27] Genes must still be an adaptation of behavior, right?

[00:56:30] So, yeah, yeah.

[00:56:32] And you know what?

[00:56:33] So, no, but like even in like I say, even in the book, like both of the kids at least get to do something of significance again, like Arby.

[00:56:40] Do something.

[00:56:43] And even Kelly gets to like ride on the back of a motorcycle chasing down a Raptor and manages to like try to like shoot at it with a big tranquilizer gun.

[00:56:52] I'm like, that is cool shit.

[00:56:54] But I got to be honest, man, like it's the techno babble and the potential like scientific like law and stuff all behind it.

[00:56:59] That's what I'm into these books for.

[00:57:01] Like when sadly when the action really kind of starts, that is when my brain kind of ticks out because then my brain is like, oh, well, I have to.

[00:57:06] Yeah, because you're having to imagine what's going on.

[00:57:09] Exactly.

[00:57:10] For whatever reason.

[00:57:11] Yeah, yeah, I'm glad you brought that.

[00:57:13] I think I lost at the motorcycle that I had to just set press on.

[00:57:17] And then, yeah, by the time they were again all the boats and all the other chaos happens.

[00:57:22] I was like, yeah, this book was a miss.

[00:57:24] But that is true when they're actually trying to build it and having their choir moments.

[00:57:29] Those are ironically the better.

[00:57:32] Yeah, his leg restitched up for the second time and he's talking about how life is like a crystallization of like, you know, like a box of chocolates.

[00:57:40] I was like, that is incredible.

[00:57:42] I love listening to that stuff.

[00:57:43] It's just like a like a 12 minute conversation between the three of them.

[00:57:47] And I'm like, that is just it's just fascinating to listen to.

[00:57:49] Come on, I just want to be higher morphine again.

[00:57:52] Oh, absolutely.

[00:57:54] He's like, oh, I love morphine.

[00:57:55] But, you know, like, remember when I became a flyer?

[00:58:00] Yeah.

[00:58:03] Different cinematic universe.

[00:58:05] Oh, no, you got to check.

[00:58:07] I could connect it to Independence Day, but I'm not going to do that.

[00:58:11] Remember when aliens came and I turned into a flyer, bro?

[00:58:13] Oh, dude, now that could have been an absolute dream.

[00:58:16] Yeah.

[00:58:18] Oh, the dude's a freaking.

[00:58:21] Oh, man, if you guys want some comedy gold,

[00:58:25] you should HBO Max has all some of their classic shows on there.

[00:58:29] You should see the episode of episodes of Larry Saunders he's on.

[00:58:34] We're just playing a fictional version of himself.

[00:58:37] He's one of many celebs who came on there, and it's just funny because they're just like

[00:58:42] the way they shot that show was a lot of those guys later worked on The Office

[00:58:47] and same kind of deal where they would roll the cameras without actually she yelling rolling.

[00:58:52] So half the time they didn't realize what was actually being filmed or not.

[00:58:55] And that's how they the meta comedy worked.

[00:58:58] And I would love to see more B roll of how they filled all this behind the scenes stuff,

[00:59:04] because the most I've seen is just how they had like little green dots.

[00:59:08] And that was the indicator to the actors to say you need to be over here, you know, yelling.

[00:59:13] Yeah.

[00:59:14] There's a giant creature over there.

[00:59:16] And so I really got to say, like that,

[00:59:20] at least read the first book and definitely look at all these other behind the scenes stuff

[00:59:27] that we've talked about, just seeing how nothing like it's really been duplicated as well since.

[00:59:33] Because you see so many other people who, again, company is X want to spend less money,

[00:59:39] but want to complain about effects.

[00:59:42] And you got too many other filmmakers and authors who don't like to communicate with one another.

[00:59:49] And Jurassic Park is just kind of that Neil and Haystack.

[00:59:52] This is like that one where it really worked.

[00:59:56] Yeah, it's actually kind of ironic that you bring that up as well, because we're in a as Dan and me know as well.

[01:00:00] You probably know as well, Cameron. Yes.

[01:00:02] We're in a very interesting, interesting little tumultuous time with the franchise at the moment,

[01:00:06] because there's been that new movie that has been greenlit coming out.

[01:00:10] Apparently, they're sticking heavily to the release date of July 25th, 2025, I believe.

[01:00:15] So next year. Right. Yeah.

[01:00:17] And they the director who was supposed to be doing it apparently stepped away from it a few days ago because he just it's not enough time.

[01:00:24] It's not enough time to make us a good story in that amount of time.

[01:00:28] The Jurassic Park bullet train guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:00:31] So he's found his bread and butter now doing disaster movies.

[01:00:34] But yeah, so the Netflix cartoon is going to be a thing for a while, which is I'm excited about,

[01:00:40] which much like much like Fast and Furious, people forget it's a thing, but it's on Netflix.

[01:00:45] Apparently someone's got it on.

[01:00:47] It's there. Why are you freaking seasons already?

[01:00:50] I don't know. Don't you start with me, Daniel, man.

[01:00:53] I'm excited for that show.

[01:00:56] Yeah. So Daniel, tell us about tell us about these free Jurassic Park novels.

[01:01:00] They're not based on the movies, but they're their own kind of companion novels.

[01:01:06] How did you discover these?

[01:01:08] Like I legit did not know about any of these until you told me told me I was like, what?

[01:01:13] How did I not see that at any Barnes and Noble or what have you?

[01:01:17] Whoever did marketing? Screw you guys. You guys screwed up.

[01:01:20] There is a reason there is certainly a specific reason.

[01:01:22] I'm sure he'll tell you in a second. Oh, they said.

[01:01:25] You see that so much so that

[01:01:29] I just want marketing.

[01:01:31] Oh, no, so much so that there was supposed to be a full Jurassic World novels

[01:01:36] because these were dynamic in that the annoying British girl jacket.

[01:01:41] Oh, my God.

[01:01:43] May be a lockwood.

[01:01:45] You know this? Yeah, I do.

[01:01:47] But I love to tease you. He does.

[01:01:49] But he loves to poke a product could have been worse,

[01:01:51] could have been any of those other forgettable Star Wars characters who I don't know the names of.

[01:01:55] That is so you see like it's amazing.

[01:01:59] Like was as ventures first off, so incredibly uncreative.

[01:02:03] Then I got off the grid that Yosemite six.

[01:02:06] Like I still got to read those because I hate myself apparently because they were so bad

[01:02:12] that they were supposed to be that one in these series, but was not produced

[01:02:17] because they didn't sell enough.

[01:02:20] So you like what did I waste my time?

[01:02:22] It's a young adult novel.

[01:02:24] That's what it is. The first one, the evolution of Claire, the young adults and the Yosemite six

[01:02:28] in the adventures.

[01:02:29] May be luck with they're meant to be children's novels.

[01:02:31] So like they've gotten progressively more PG as time is going on.

[01:02:34] But it's still the evolution of Claire.

[01:02:36] That one I read entirely and that was actually always kind of good.

[01:02:41] It's really well, it is so weird, though, how Jurassic Park kind of like James Bond has always

[01:02:46] kind of been that rare oyster where people go and they find it gritty.

[01:02:50] And at the same time, kids can watch it because they're like, I didn't go all the way.

[01:02:57] They went far enough to where your uncle likes it and you like it.

[01:03:01] You know, the only thing that I'm not a huge fan of when it comes to evolution of Claire

[01:03:05] is the divergence between the plot of the book and what we have in in GW.

[01:03:11] Because in the novel, we introduced to this idea that Claire, when she was a teenager,

[01:03:15] she was about to get her first job, maybe in the world.

[01:03:19] And she was an animal lover by that stage already.

[01:03:23] But did she become an animal lover later during Jurassic World?

[01:03:28] So that's the idea.

[01:03:30] You see, it shows that like she's always kind of like the idea of like 11 animals.

[01:03:33] And remember, she was actually going to go into Congress.

[01:03:35] She was going to go and become like a senator.

[01:03:37] Yeah.

[01:03:38] She is.

[01:03:39] But promote the thing.

[01:03:40] Yeah.

[01:03:41] Politics.

[01:03:42] I know.

[01:03:43] So she was going to do that.

[01:03:44] But then she ends up going to the dinos on the Capitol Hill and see what happens.

[01:03:49] Yeah.

[01:03:50] And of course, like to sensitize.

[01:03:53] Yeah. She has to like to sensitize herself from like the idea of these creatures being

[01:03:57] creatures and being just like animals are resurrected because after the death of his

[01:04:01] name, Dan, what was his name?

[01:04:03] Joshua was it?

[01:04:04] I can't remember his name.

[01:04:06] Oh, you mean like this is interesting for me to hear because like I have a bunch

[01:04:11] of Indiana Jones books and there's like a few of them that are for young readers, but

[01:04:16] yeah, still pretty consistent with the canon.

[01:04:19] The rest are kind of for just teens and older adults, but nothing that kids couldn't

[01:04:26] read if that makes sense.

[01:04:28] But I'm finding this interesting how you're talking about this other canon because like

[01:04:32] I've gotten some of the Terminator books and same kind of deal where you kind of

[01:04:35] have to decide if you which of the trilogy is part of that canon.

[01:04:40] And what comes next?

[01:04:41] Or do you consider the TV show the next part of the canon?

[01:04:44] Or do you just not?

[01:04:45] Exactly.

[01:04:46] They're always just in with T2.

[01:04:48] Yeah, like make it interesting at least.

[01:04:51] It's not.

[01:04:53] So what?

[01:04:54] Which part is it?

[01:04:55] I mean, look, there's an interesting mystery, right?

[01:04:57] Because we don't know really who's the thief of a mysterious components and DNA

[01:05:02] are quite creative.

[01:05:03] Some people are still in dino parts.

[01:05:06] Yeah, they are.

[01:05:07] But my point is, we don't know.

[01:05:09] My point is we have a single death in this book.

[01:05:13] Right.

[01:05:14] And definitely they're always interested in me.

[01:05:16] But because the death is supposed to be impactful in a novel.

[01:05:21] All right.

[01:05:22] That's what that's what my bloody editor told me a million times, because I

[01:05:26] probably too many characters.

[01:05:27] What am I reading these mystery novels for?

[01:05:29] I don't feel the impelment.

[01:05:30] Yeah.

[01:05:31] Jesus Christ.

[01:05:32] Yeah.

[01:05:33] Well, look, there is this single guy who dies who's that?

[01:05:36] It's the janitor.

[01:05:38] It's a boy.

[01:05:39] He dies in such an unfunny way.

[01:05:42] Dan is not impressed about a thing.

[01:05:44] And I've spoken about this with him before.

[01:05:46] I'm like, he said he's obviously more interested in the idea of like a

[01:05:49] Rex ripping someone apart.

[01:05:50] I'm like, dude, the idea of like running off and getting separated,

[01:05:53] like at the end of the book, like they run off and get separated and

[01:05:56] he gets attacked and he survives long enough to like squirrel himself

[01:06:00] away.

[01:06:01] That would be horrifying.

[01:06:03] Yeah, I know that would be like that would be like psychologically

[01:06:06] horrifying to know that you're bleeding out.

[01:06:08] Give me gold.

[01:06:11] I need gold.

[01:06:13] I can do both.

[01:06:16] But I know what you mean.

[01:06:17] So who wrote these books?

[01:06:20] If you don't let me ask.

[01:06:22] Test Sharp, Test Sharp wrote the evolution of Claire and I'm not sure

[01:06:26] about the other two ones.

[01:06:27] Dan might be able to tell you, but I know Test Sharp and she did a

[01:06:30] really wonderful job.

[01:06:31] I am.

[01:06:32] We shouldn't care.

[01:06:33] I wrote that piece of crap, but let me check.

[01:06:35] Damn it.

[01:06:36] Charles double.

[01:06:38] He had a job.

[01:06:40] As patients, Dan is pretty pictures and a Rooks.

[01:06:44] Do you enjoy these better than playing some of the bad video games

[01:06:47] we talked about?

[01:06:48] Oh, dear.

[01:06:50] Such low bar.

[01:06:52] Yeah, I mean, we got different kinds of stink in here.

[01:06:56] So I just see.

[01:06:59] I only played all the really nice games.

[01:07:01] I would.

[01:07:02] I would.

[01:07:03] A good valid question.

[01:07:04] All right.

[01:07:05] Yeah.

[01:07:06] Operation Genesis.

[01:07:07] Yeah.

[01:07:08] Do you feel like they created recreated the characters or was it

[01:07:14] just kind of more like meh?

[01:07:16] Whatever side school.

[01:07:18] Yeah.

[01:07:19] Well, for evolution of Claire, I loved like the characterization

[01:07:23] of us.

[01:07:24] I'm almost running just because you really see some development.

[01:07:27] You know, he's just a cool guy in the movie.

[01:07:30] But here you have some depth because he had to conceal a death that

[01:07:34] happened in the park.

[01:07:35] Few months prior to this.

[01:07:37] So that's actually interesting.

[01:07:39] You know, he's not just all goody goody.

[01:07:41] So you got that going on, I suppose.

[01:07:45] But everyone else, everything else, there are plenty of other

[01:07:49] teenagers who are there with her.

[01:07:51] You think I remember any of them?

[01:07:53] I don't.

[01:07:54] Because they're so forgettable.

[01:07:57] But Dan, one of their names is Sarah.

[01:07:59] And Sarah's the most source bloody exhibit lady in the fourth movie.

[01:08:03] And it might have been a kid.

[01:08:05] Dad.

[01:08:06] It's all about the nitty gritty.

[01:08:08] Jack is going through the rubble just saying, Hey, let me add this

[01:08:12] Easter egg to the wicker.

[01:08:14] Diamonds in the rough, mate.

[01:08:16] Absolutely.

[01:08:17] Let me just please one more thing, I guess.

[01:08:20] So Henry Wu, right?

[01:08:21] He's much more interesting in evolution of Claire than he is in

[01:08:25] the whole traffic world.

[01:08:27] That is true.

[01:08:29] Can you see like he's actually pretty interested in a discovery

[01:08:33] that she made in the park and he's well available to see what

[01:08:37] she found and actually help her.

[01:08:39] And by the end of it, he respected her.

[01:08:42] So she was not just that teenager who was starting there.

[01:08:46] It was like, yeah, you know, I'll help you out with that.

[01:08:49] But I know we've been through a lot here, but you should stay

[01:08:53] and so this time just running away.

[01:08:56] Yeah, I imagine teaching dog training lessons to dinos.

[01:09:01] Sit, stay.

[01:09:03] No bite.

[01:09:04] And I ran away of good things to do that in the fourth movie,

[01:09:09] which is pretty cool.

[01:09:11] All right.

[01:09:13] So tell me something, Dan.

[01:09:14] Tell me this.

[01:09:15] So I've heard a few reviews of the book myself because I didn't

[01:09:18] have the chance to read it before the before the interview

[01:09:22] and everything.

[01:09:23] So tell me, what did you feel about the idea of the secondary

[01:09:26] little plot line going through about this?

[01:09:28] Some there's a group of interns who had already been to the

[01:09:31] island before and nobody really knows what exactly kind of

[01:09:34] happened to them or what's been going on with that.

[01:09:36] And then suddenly, apparently you see them like climbing over

[01:09:39] a fence later on in the movie just kind of out of nowhere.

[01:09:43] What did you think about?

[01:09:44] What did you think about that specific like kind of a quick

[01:09:47] inclusion towards the end just to kind of wrap it up?

[01:09:49] Like, what did you think?

[01:09:50] Well, I actually like that because again, it was a twist.

[01:09:54] Didn't expect that.

[01:09:55] So I'm a huge fan of Agatha Christie.

[01:09:58] By the end of it, like Agatha Christie's Poor Road,

[01:10:02] the series on the BBC playing in my head, I was like,

[01:10:05] oh, I did not expect that from you, Monsieur.

[01:10:09] Yeah.

[01:10:10] So I mean, you have all these other villains who are

[01:10:14] like obviously sad for you to believe it was one of them.

[01:10:18] By the end of it, it was not.

[01:10:20] And again, like these are that don't even remember her name.

[01:10:23] I don't want to, but she did it great in the fact that

[01:10:27] like she was throwing the evidence at your face and you

[01:10:30] didn't want to believe it because everything else was

[01:10:32] pointing to the villains, the obvious ones.

[01:10:35] So you know what?

[01:10:36] Just a little subversion there, hey?

[01:10:38] Yeah, pretty cool.

[01:10:39] And you know, and these villains who were like the interns,

[01:10:43] they have a good reason.

[01:10:44] The kind of the same reason that the Texan girl had in

[01:10:48] Camp Cretaceous.

[01:10:49] Oh my God.

[01:10:51] It's always the Texans.

[01:10:53] This is a running little joke going between you and Cam

[01:10:59] is that the girl in the show he's talking about,

[01:11:01] she ends up getting blackmailed into stealing some DNA

[01:11:04] samples off the island.

[01:11:05] As you do.

[01:11:06] As you do.

[01:11:07] Yeah, but no, and it just, as far as I'm aware in the book,

[01:11:10] they were stealing stuff from the island to be able to

[01:11:13] pay for six sisters medical bills, which I thought was

[01:11:16] going to have a dog day afternoon style storylines.

[01:11:19] That's right.

[01:11:20] That is absolutely correct.

[01:11:21] So it's dying.

[01:11:22] I got to commit all in the name of being a hero.

[01:11:26] Right?

[01:11:27] Right.

[01:11:28] Yeah, absolutely.

[01:11:29] Yeah.

[01:11:30] But you know, at least like we don't have a one sided

[01:11:32] villains and even the other end of novel you you're kind

[01:11:35] of on his side because yeah, the way that John Hammond

[01:11:40] treats him and also in the movies, of course, blackmail him.

[01:11:43] Yeah.

[01:11:44] Yeah.

[01:11:45] Because in a movie you're never going to be against this

[01:11:48] Santa Claus guy.

[01:11:49] But in the book he's a bit cuter in the books because

[01:11:53] it says that he's so short that when he's sitting on

[01:11:56] his car he can't even touch the floor.

[01:11:58] So that's good.

[01:11:59] Touch the ground.

[01:12:01] Love the description.

[01:12:02] Scream your legs.

[01:12:04] There's a quality to the man.

[01:12:07] Everything else though.

[01:12:08] I mean, let the compass there.

[01:12:09] Wow.

[01:12:10] That heck out of that crappy old man.

[01:12:13] Oh, yeah.

[01:12:15] Wow.

[01:12:18] Not much phrase here, but I didn't know where this was

[01:12:23] going to go.

[01:12:24] So tell me this.

[01:12:26] OK.

[01:12:27] I've got a question for you actually.

[01:12:28] So between the novels that you have read, right?

[01:12:30] Between the two novels, this is good for you as well.

[01:12:32] The OGs by Crichton.

[01:12:33] Yeah, the OGs by Crichton himself.

[01:12:35] Which one did you find more compelling throughout before

[01:12:38] the third half, right?

[01:12:39] Oh, I absolutely think everyone should read the first one.

[01:12:43] I think you'll be very entertained just like Brighton's

[01:12:46] other stuff like 13th Warrior and Prey and some of his

[01:12:51] other ones.

[01:12:52] It's just like you say, there is some techno babble

[01:12:55] that's cool in the second book, but it's just very

[01:12:57] chaotic and just kind of it just underwhelmed me.

[01:13:01] And I just say that might have been the point if it's

[01:13:03] chaos theory.

[01:13:04] Oh, got him.

[01:13:07] I see what you did there.

[01:13:09] But yeah, I think the first one still you could put on

[01:13:14] like on a Kindle or like you say an audio book

[01:13:17] and just be a very pleasant read regardless of what

[01:13:20] are you seeing in the movie or not?

[01:13:21] No, I can see that.

[01:13:22] I can see that.

[01:13:23] And Dan, what about you?

[01:13:24] Which one is your favorite between the first two books?

[01:13:27] I mean, it's kind of obvious, but the second one

[01:13:31] doesn't even sound like it's complete when you

[01:13:34] finish reading it.

[01:13:35] There you go.

[01:13:36] What else?

[01:13:37] You know, it's also interesting that you mentioned

[01:13:39] that because believe it or not, I'm going against

[01:13:41] the grain here.

[01:13:42] I actually think I enjoy the Lost World book a

[01:13:44] lot more than the first.

[01:13:45] So bad.

[01:13:46] It's good way.

[01:13:47] Maybe I know.

[01:13:48] Well, no, it's weird actually, because in the

[01:13:49] second one, like it's for me, it's more of

[01:13:51] like the idea of like the discovering mystery of

[01:13:53] throughout the whole book of like why these

[01:13:55] animals are washing up on the mainland and why

[01:13:57] where is this island and why is no one talked

[01:13:59] about it?

[01:14:00] Yeah, like all of this stuff.

[01:14:02] I'm like, that stuff is interesting to me.

[01:14:04] And it doesn't feel like it's kind of bogged down

[01:14:06] by like because when they get to the island,

[01:14:08] they're just kind of hanging out up in the high

[01:14:09] high just observing these animals.

[01:14:11] And I'm just I've always thought that's just

[01:14:12] like a far more like interesting, like kind of

[01:14:15] almost like a kind of like a Nat Geo kind of

[01:14:17] like studying of these creatures and their

[01:14:19] behavior, because the whole theme of the first

[01:14:21] book is obviously control and like how man

[01:14:23] should metal with nature.

[01:14:24] But the second book is a lot more like

[01:14:26] different. It's folks.

[01:14:27] It focuses on the reasons behind extinction,

[01:14:31] which I thought was, again, very, very interesting

[01:14:34] read at the time because the book immediately

[01:14:36] starts with like an entire spiel about with

[01:14:39] giving a presentation and stuff.

[01:14:41] Yeah. So I don't know.

[01:14:42] I just I kind of I kind of like the and

[01:14:44] again, maybe it's just me.

[01:14:45] Maybe it's just my bias because I don't like

[01:14:47] Lex in the book.

[01:14:48] I don't like like like, yeah, but no,

[01:14:51] I don't know. I just I feel like I can just

[01:14:52] pop on the second novel and I can just enjoy

[01:14:55] listening to that one through like through and

[01:14:57] through, you know, like and the way they

[01:14:59] discover things.

[01:15:00] Yeah, just it keeps it keeps it fresh for me.

[01:15:02] I guess you could say.

[01:15:04] Yeah, fair enough.

[01:15:05] Hey, and it's funny how we're talking about

[01:15:11] stuff washing up on shore because you see

[01:15:13] a lot of them that in the third movie now

[01:15:15] riddle me this.

[01:15:16] I seem to recall people in forums saying

[01:15:18] that they saw extended versions of the

[01:15:20] third movie that made some of the

[01:15:21] characters kind of more likeable.

[01:15:23] Well, yeah, I'm like, I think that's

[01:15:27] I think someone's memories going because

[01:15:28] I think I would have seen something like

[01:15:31] that on TV.

[01:15:32] Yeah, so so here's the thing.

[01:15:34] So Jurassic Park 3, the movie at least,

[01:15:36] it was it was the most troubling and

[01:15:39] controversial one in the series because

[01:15:41] it went through several different read

[01:15:43] and I've been to see Grant back.

[01:15:45] But at the end of the day, it's like

[01:15:47] like you nothing really works about other

[01:15:49] than just the fight scenes.

[01:15:51] So you're just like, well, because

[01:15:53] like the thing for that movie is that

[01:15:55] like they really didn't know what to do

[01:15:57] with it because as you're talking about,

[01:15:58] it's just like it's intense.

[01:16:00] But when it's all said and done,

[01:16:01] what did I watch?

[01:16:02] Yeah, they had Jurassic Park, the first

[01:16:04] novel they had the Lost World novel

[01:16:05] that then Crichton couldn't come back

[01:16:07] and think of a satisfying third

[01:16:09] novel for the Jurassic Park series.

[01:16:11] So he didn't he didn't really have

[01:16:13] much involvement with the third film.

[01:16:15] So if anyone out there says that

[01:16:17] because like yes, there is there is

[01:16:18] several different like drafts and like

[01:16:21] story renditions of what Jurassic

[01:16:23] Park 3 could have been.

[01:16:24] So I'm guessing that what you must

[01:16:26] have heard, Cam, is that someone's

[01:16:27] obviously read one of these extra

[01:16:29] different. No, no, this person was

[01:16:31] misremembering that there was like a

[01:16:33] different version on like Starz Channel

[01:16:35] one day and like, you know,

[01:16:38] I mean, I can understand in the 80s

[01:16:40] and 90s when there were different

[01:16:42] versions of movies being packaged around.

[01:16:44] But in DVD, I can't

[01:16:46] yeah, I can't see that happening.

[01:16:49] Well, I mean, again, they only

[01:16:53] often have extended versions of films

[01:16:55] if they had to modify it like for time

[01:16:57] and content. And it's not that kind

[01:16:59] of movie. So I'm just like, you know,

[01:17:01] I think you're misremembering.

[01:17:03] Yeah, definitely.

[01:17:05] You see, I was being

[01:17:08] accompanied in a sales

[01:17:10] magical mushroom Alexis.

[01:17:11] So that must be the reason for

[01:17:13] that kind of thing.

[01:17:14] Maybe I think someone is just

[01:17:18] high watching TV too much.

[01:17:20] Probably, probably.

[01:17:22] Because yeah, I remember between

[01:17:24] Jesse Park and The Lost World, there was a

[01:17:26] test screening footage that came out a few

[01:17:28] weeks before about them

[01:17:30] having like kind of like a different

[01:17:32] take for the beginning of the movies.

[01:17:34] Because in the obviously in the end of

[01:17:35] the first book, they destroy the island.

[01:17:37] They bomb it from

[01:17:38] with napalm and destroy all

[01:17:40] evidence in the dinosaurs and the buildings

[01:17:42] and everything.

[01:17:43] Apparently in this, yeah, I know, which is

[01:17:45] crazy. Right.

[01:17:46] It's so nihilistic.

[01:17:48] Yeah, I was just like, Jesus Christ.

[01:17:50] So I'm kind of glad that obviously when I was a

[01:17:51] kid that didn't happen.

[01:17:52] They kind of do use a bit of that in Congo.

[01:17:55] Yeah, another one different from the crime.

[01:17:58] Yeah.

[01:17:59] So because when and I remember

[01:18:01] hearing about how this there was

[01:18:04] test footage, test screening,

[01:18:06] like with about it was only like 12 people.

[01:18:08] So it wasn't like super big.

[01:18:09] But apparently they had showed a different

[01:18:11] alternative opening to The Lost World movie

[01:18:13] where like InGen scientists

[01:18:15] and scientists, InGen mercenaries

[01:18:17] and stuff have gone back to the island.

[01:18:18] And they were like burning it down

[01:18:20] with flamethrowers like they were destroying the visitor

[01:18:22] center.

[01:18:23] And yeah, and

[01:18:25] like basically like torching Eastland

[01:18:27] Newblad and to kind of give you

[01:18:29] the viewer the idea that well,

[01:18:31] no, the Jurassic Park and Eastland Newblad,

[01:18:33] the only island with dinosaurs on it are gone.

[01:18:35] They've been destroyed in like a flashback

[01:18:37] so that when the movie keeps

[01:18:39] going and then the dinosaurs keep popping up, it makes

[01:18:41] you ask like, oh, well, why

[01:18:43] why are these animals popping up again?

[01:18:45] So I remember reading about that.

[01:18:47] And I don't think it went over well

[01:18:49] for I can't remember the reason exactly why

[01:18:51] it didn't go over well, maybe because.

[01:18:52] Yeah, that would have been a little too redundant

[01:18:54] if you showed that.

[01:18:55] And then yeah, yeah.

[01:18:57] Well, I reckon I reckon it would have been pretty

[01:18:59] pretty.

[01:19:00] I would have gotten your attention, but you would have probably

[01:19:02] had more questions.

[01:19:03] Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:19:04] Probably. It's kind of like when watching an unsatisfying

[01:19:07] zombie or alien invasion.

[01:19:09] Like why are they adapting the stuff

[01:19:11] that they previously said they can adapt to?

[01:19:13] Yeah.

[01:19:14] So I mean, it's not out of the realm of possibility

[01:19:16] that someone might have maybe seen an early

[01:19:18] some version of an early draft of JP3 and had

[01:19:20] remembered it differently, because I mean, they have done

[01:19:22] that. Like I say, just then in the past.

[01:19:24] Right. Or it's just for like a teaser.

[01:19:26] Yeah.

[01:19:27] Like a teaser trailer or something like that.

[01:19:29] Oh yeah. Whatever else they could have done.

[01:19:31] Yeah.

[01:19:33] Wild how what does

[01:19:35] or doesn't make the final cut?

[01:19:37] And it's been so long ago that even

[01:19:39] when you ask the people involved with it,

[01:19:41] they're they show their shoulders and go, I don't

[01:19:43] I can't tell you. I don't know.

[01:19:45] I was there and I still don't know.

[01:19:47] So long ago, what do you do in the galaxy?

[01:19:50] Far, far away.

[01:19:51] And by that time, we could have had already

[01:19:53] some kind of animal mainland.

[01:19:55] But we didn't just had that on

[01:19:57] Dominion.

[01:19:58] Our brains went extinct.

[01:20:01] Oh, Dan, I tell you,

[01:20:03] it's like you escaped on thin ice, brother.

[01:20:09] Oh, well, well, well, well,

[01:20:11] what were you referencing?

[01:20:13] He's talking about he's talking about Dominion.

[01:20:15] Oh, OK. Yeah, I'm just I quite like

[01:20:17] I quite like but I'm just making

[01:20:19] historic jokes.

[01:20:23] You see, I

[01:20:25] do love watching that in the cinema.

[01:20:27] You know, like I have an experience of being there

[01:20:29] hearing, you

[01:20:31] know, the Americans saying

[01:20:33] Jurassic World, not a fan and everyone in the

[01:20:35] theater. You have a good belly laugh.

[01:20:37] Look at that.

[01:20:39] But then

[01:20:41] again, he was so uncreative

[01:20:43] tried to do their own thing.

[01:20:44] And that's I guess that's I guess that's an example.

[01:20:47] Oh, at least we all love the original.

[01:20:49] Right. Yeah.

[01:20:51] So what else do you guys got coming up

[01:20:53] on fans?

[01:20:54] Because obviously, you're going to do the TV

[01:20:56] recap. But anything else that

[01:20:58] you got coming up?

[01:21:00] Any other collabs with like the Jurassic

[01:21:02] Park podcast or?

[01:21:03] Oh, good as me.

[01:21:05] Finally, Dan would dance one dance.

[01:21:08] Yeah, because I do include

[01:21:10] Jack and I.

[01:21:11] But I forgot to tell him.

[01:21:12] So he tells

[01:21:15] me about a few days before.

[01:21:16] I'm like, oh, OK.

[01:21:17] Yeah, sure. No worries.

[01:21:18] Like, yeah, I don't know.

[01:21:19] It's pretty nice.

[01:21:20] It's a little.

[01:21:24] Yeah, you see, we are doing that chaos

[01:21:27] theory one.

[01:21:28] We are.

[01:21:29] Oh, we have so many other

[01:21:31] especially some old dinosaur

[01:21:33] shows that we got to do.

[01:21:35] You mentioned turn over.

[01:21:36] That's one that we included for the show.

[01:21:38] And then we have the

[01:21:39] show.

[01:21:40] So you're going to investigate maybe

[01:21:42] dyno topia, maybe.

[01:21:44] Oh, yeah.

[01:21:45] What about the TV show?

[01:21:46] Priem evil.

[01:21:47] Priem evil.

[01:21:48] Oh, I love that show.

[01:21:49] I love that show.

[01:21:50] I hate it, but I will.

[01:21:52] I hate it.

[01:21:53] Perfect.

[01:21:54] I see so bad.

[01:21:56] Oh, stop it.

[01:21:57] It was the TV budget.

[01:21:59] Dan.

[01:22:00] So why make it look good?

[01:22:02] It looks better than the Doctor Who

[01:22:04] episode.

[01:22:05] Just saying anyway.

[01:22:06] I'm sorry.

[01:22:07] The scripting was pretty.

[01:22:09] You're attacking all fandoms.

[01:22:11] I'm making everyone look.

[01:22:13] That's how I got plenty of comments

[01:22:15] on me.

[01:22:16] Post.

[01:22:17] I just want to remind you that Mr.

[01:22:18] All right.

[01:22:19] Hold the clock.

[01:22:20] Take.

[01:22:21] We're here for the cloud.

[01:22:22] Take incorporated.

[01:22:23] Oh, no.

[01:22:24] Always delight having you on here, guys.

[01:22:26] And always fun.

[01:22:27] Listen to the show just because I again,

[01:22:30] the fandom comes out pretty well and

[01:22:32] you guys are just so kind of

[01:22:33] like a little bit of a

[01:22:34] little bit of a fun.

[01:22:35] Yeah.

[01:22:36] I'm here for an interesting time,

[01:22:37] you know.

[01:22:38] Totally.

[01:22:39] Yeah.

[01:22:40] I haven't seen you guys back here.

[01:22:41] It is a Jack.

[01:22:42] Oh, yeah.

[01:22:43] So I hopefully we described enough

[01:22:46] of these novels for anyone curious.

[01:22:49] There's only seen, you know,

[01:22:52] live action versions of these,

[01:22:54] but you can pretty much get these

[01:22:56] books anywhere.

[01:22:57] You can get them in the

[01:22:59] library.

[01:23:00] You can get them in the library.

[01:23:01] You can get them in the library.

[01:23:02] You can pretty much get these books

[01:23:03] anywhere used Kindle or if you're not

[01:23:07] going to e-book route,

[01:23:08] you can get do definitely like Jack

[01:23:10] mentioned a audio book route.

[01:23:12] Yeah, they're all on audible.

[01:23:14] Except for the second one.

[01:23:15] Second one's not audible.

[01:23:17] It's on YouTube though.

[01:23:19] Well, it's on YouTube.

[01:23:20] Oh, OK.

[01:23:21] So there you go.

[01:23:22] You got no excuse on this day.

[01:23:24] And don't get discouraged by the

[01:23:26] fact that I criticized everything

[01:23:28] here.

[01:23:29] Always did that.

[01:23:30] If you want to read annoying

[01:23:31] British girls adventures,

[01:23:32] go for it.

[01:23:33] Have some fun.

[01:23:34] That's quite sweet.

[01:23:35] Yes, it is.

[01:23:36] Someone will like it.

[01:23:38] Somebody's.

[01:23:40] Check this out.

[01:23:43] I like a lot of stuff.

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