Interview with Historical Podcast Creator & Marketing Guru Lindsay Graham

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[00:00:46] Again welcome all to the show. I'm your host, Soly. And as always, always going to be very animated in terms of talking about our passions, future career advice and once again we got a wonderful

[00:00:57] wonderful guest. We got podcast creator and narrator Lindsey

[00:01:02] Graham. Welcome.

[00:01:05] Thank you. I'm excited to be here.

[00:01:07] Anytime he has guest start on podcasts such as reconsidered

[00:01:10] podcast advertising playbook career crossroads, the

[00:01:13] greatness machine, double dose and on the clock. Here we're

[00:01:18] going to go into just other just future passions, career

[00:01:22] advice and sound tech talk. So once again, glad to have

[00:01:27] you on. It's a long time coming. It's just cool to just have

[00:01:32] one Dallas native talking to another Dallas native who's made

[00:01:35] it in some capacity.

[00:01:37] Yeah, yeah, I'm glad to be here.

[00:01:40] It didn't happen overnight, obviously. But as you've already

[00:01:43] talked about that numerous times, it is funny where the

[00:01:48] dominoes fall, isn't it?

[00:01:51] Yeah, you can never predict. I certainly didn't plan for my

[00:01:54] career to be where it is right now. But I'm glad for it.

[00:01:59] Okay.

[00:02:00] So you've had so many wonderful collaborators and beyond

[00:02:04] gifted voice actors, some of whom have gone to Baylor

[00:02:07] University and are even making it big in LA now. But out of all

[00:02:12] the guests you've had, how did you first meet a history

[00:02:17] that doesn't suck host and professor Greg Jackson?

[00:02:22] Yeah, I met Greg at a podcast convention podcast movement in

[00:02:26] 2000 sweet in Orlando, Florida, I think. And so I really enjoy

[00:02:32] podcast movement and other conventions. That's that's one

[00:02:36] of the bigger ones. So that's a big turnout every year.

[00:02:39] Yeah. And and so it was an opportunity to is always an

[00:02:44] opportunity to kind of rub elbows with other podcasters.

[00:02:47] Increasingly, it's a it's a great source of networking on

[00:02:50] the business side. But every once in a while, there's on the

[00:02:52] content side on the creator side. There are like history

[00:02:56] podcasts get togethers, you know, and I went to one in the

[00:03:02] food court in this giant, you know, hotel in Orlando, and, and

[00:03:07] Greg was there as well. There's probably about six of us. And

[00:03:11] so he was just one of the more interesting persons in the

[00:03:17] group. And I think we just kind of clicked. Neither of us had

[00:03:21] heard each other's shows. So it was a it was, you know, a good

[00:03:25] excuse to go listen to something new. And I heard that that

[00:03:30] Greg was doing something pretty special and had and actually

[00:03:34] similar to what I was doing, bringing a, you know, a real

[00:03:39] storytelling element to to the communication of history. And

[00:03:46] but he's he's an academic and I'm not so he has more

[00:03:50] credentials. Anyways, it started a good, a good friendship and

[00:03:53] a good professional relationship.

[00:03:56] Teller. And these are kind of they're not just colleagues at

[00:04:01] this point, they're also just professional friends who you're

[00:04:03] gonna just remember these just collaborations the rest of your

[00:04:07] life. Just because again, you're telling history, you're

[00:04:11] telling something with passion.

[00:04:14] Yeah, I would think so. I'm looking forward to seeing Greg

[00:04:16] here in Dallas when he has his roadshow comes comes to town in

[00:04:21] early October. Oh, lovely. And I know your major was advertising,

[00:04:29] but growing up what what chapter of history would you say you

[00:04:35] were fascinated by the most?

[00:04:36] Yeah, yeah, Greg has all the credentials, academic credentials

[00:04:40] in history. I don't I started as a as a history major and have

[00:04:44] always been interested in history. I did eventually end up

[00:04:47] with just a business degree. But my my when I was interested

[00:04:52] academically in history, it was probably European history,

[00:04:59] probably, you know, 19th century, your European history.

[00:05:03] I've forgotten so much of it by now and my focus is has shifted

[00:05:07] to American history. But I was certainly transfixed by episodes

[00:05:12] like the Dreyfus affair, or or the the, you know, the the

[00:05:19] reign of Otto von Bismarck and how in his realpolitik, I really

[00:05:24] can't speak to them with authority anymore because I

[00:05:26] just forgotten at all. But I was interested in the Dreyfus

[00:05:31] at all. But it was a time that and a place that seemed

[00:05:38] transitional, you know, it was an aristocratic Europe, you

[00:05:42] know, shedding its its empire and and and moving into a new

[00:05:48] age. And so there was a lot of change, a lot of excitement,

[00:05:51] a lot of wars. And it was some, you know, just captivating.

[00:05:56] Yeah. And you've done such a great job with so many of

[00:06:01] these podcasts that making it almost feel like we're watching

[00:06:04] a live, like PBS, you know, program or even a West Wing

[00:06:08] or John Adams type programs because you've done so good at

[00:06:12] the Spoli. But how did you first get into sound tech, type

[00:06:18] material alone? studying music nodes and

[00:06:25] Yeah, well, I've always been interested in audio. You

[00:06:27] know, I've I've played guitar since high school, and I've

[00:06:32] been in bands and I've produced bands and I built this

[00:06:34] little studio that I'm in. And so I'm very familiar and

[00:06:38] comfortable around audio technology. microphones are

[00:06:42] just cool, man. And so

[00:06:46] yeah, that's kind of where where I how I entered that

[00:06:50] side of the business. I never really expected to be on

[00:06:53] this side of the microphone. But having, you know, being a

[00:06:58] composer and have and knowing, you know, how to engineer

[00:07:01] things is really where where I thought I would stay. But

[00:07:05] that's been certainly helpful because I come into a podcast

[00:07:08] industry that with a large technical set of skills that

[00:07:14] many podcast producers that are more journalism oriented

[00:07:18] do not have. And so I think I think actually wanted

[00:07:21] to talk about what I think is probably my my my unfair

[00:07:26] advantages here is that I can I can really with great

[00:07:31] detail imagine what it sounds like what something might

[00:07:34] sound like. I can read a sentence and know how it's

[00:07:38] constructed or where it should have emphasis or how it

[00:07:42] can be rewritten so it will sound better. And I don't

[00:07:46] think that people have have lived in audio the way I

[00:07:50] have for decades now. When they're good time saver.

[00:07:56] Sure, yeah, it helps a lot to to hear when things are

[00:08:00] going wrong before they go wrong. This is anti climatic

[00:08:03] or this start off with this or this is excess or

[00:08:07] redundantly stated so it should be reworded this

[00:08:10] way. Yeah, and I I I improvise all the time and

[00:08:16] I receive when I read reading scripts. It is a constant

[00:08:20] negotiation and editing session. Mainly for these

[00:08:24] reasons you know this word needs to go here or this

[00:08:26] paragraph is redundant or it's not clear because this

[00:08:30] is missing or this is over emphasized or the contour

[00:08:34] of the sentence is just wrong. You know there's a

[00:08:37] music to this stuff and you have to

[00:08:40] literally.

[00:08:43] And all together. Given how you appreciate this

[00:08:48] material. Do you do you think it's just a good reminder

[00:08:51] to other people is like if you feel this passionately

[00:08:53] about it, you will do a better job at it because

[00:08:56] your heart is in it.

[00:09:00] Yeah, you know there there is a danger of making

[00:09:04] you know what you love your work because

[00:09:07] suddenly it becomes your work. It's a job and

[00:09:11] there are times in which it is absolutely a job. I

[00:09:15] wish that I had you know more time or more distance

[00:09:20] to appreciate some of the aspects that otherwise

[00:09:24] as a civilian, I would probably love love more

[00:09:29] but you know there are deadlines and there are

[00:09:31] egos and there are personalities to be

[00:09:33] managed and there are mistakes and it becomes

[00:09:37] a job. But I will tell you it's certainly of all

[00:09:41] the jobs I've had this is this is the best one

[00:09:45] and it is because I believe in it. I am attracted

[00:09:49] to the subject matter and I get to continue to

[00:09:53] work in audio which has captivated me since I

[00:09:56] was young.

[00:09:57] Lovely, very lovely.

[00:09:59] So you've been very gifted at just again just

[00:10:08] finding all this various talent for those who

[00:10:12] are getting into doing an audio drama or even

[00:10:15] just a giant panel. Are there any particular

[00:10:19] third party sides you would recommend that

[00:10:21] are really good at scouting and hiring

[00:10:23] voiceover artists?

[00:10:25] I don't know. I've never used them.

[00:10:27] Oh, we really just hired friends of ours and so

[00:10:33] there was no real

[00:10:37] you know extraordinary casting process. Now

[00:10:39] we went beyond our our friends but you know I

[00:10:43] don't know if you know this but in Dallas

[00:10:45] there's an actual you know a fairly large

[00:10:47] and considerably talented voiceover artist

[00:10:50] community because of you know some because

[00:10:54] of the crunchy roll that's here.

[00:10:57] A lot of anime dubbing stuff. Dallas is also

[00:11:02] a hub for a lot of voiceover for commercial

[00:11:04] work so there's you know there's a ton of

[00:11:05] people out there and Dallas is a big city so

[00:11:09] we didn't have to reach too far and you

[00:11:10] know and everyone else has a recommendation

[00:11:12] to even if you ask them. So we didn't we

[00:11:15] didn't cast on any site and very very

[00:11:18] few strangers came into the process.

[00:11:22] Okay lovely. Who we thought we knew.

[00:11:25] And that's stellar so but is there any also

[00:11:30] like

[00:11:33] if you do a table read or just a dry run

[00:11:37] read through

[00:11:40] how do you often like recommend people

[00:11:42] organize their various you know pros and

[00:11:44] cons and other notes that they're leaving

[00:11:47] for each other?

[00:11:49] Well I'm going to surprise you again.

[00:11:51] We didn't do any rehearsals or table reads.

[00:11:55] No we just get them in the studio

[00:11:58] and so you know they've read the script

[00:11:59] and often we are rewriting the script

[00:12:01] you know in on the moment as we hear

[00:12:03] the actors we respond to them as much

[00:12:05] as they respond to us.

[00:12:09] So it's a process of just getting

[00:12:11] you know getting the chemistry right

[00:12:13] and making sure that it makes sense.

[00:12:15] There's a little preamble from you know

[00:12:17] in the case of 1865 usually it was

[00:12:20] Steve Walters who was the co-creator

[00:12:23] and head writer would talk through the

[00:12:26] scene with the actors ahead of time

[00:12:27] making make sure they understand the

[00:12:29] motivations and the real history behind it.

[00:12:32] But you know these guys are professionals

[00:12:33] they they're able to get a cold

[00:12:36] script and apprehend it pretty quickly.

[00:12:39] So no we just we just rolled tape

[00:12:42] and if something wasn't working

[00:12:44] we tried to fix it.

[00:12:45] Man

[00:12:46] How about that?

[00:12:50] Given how you've been bodied so many

[00:12:55] faces of history are there any other

[00:12:58] roles you would like to inhibit

[00:13:00] in voiceover capacity that's just on

[00:13:02] your bucket list you're like I got

[00:13:04] to play that person before I hang this

[00:13:06] part of my you know the truth is I

[00:13:08] really have only played one person

[00:13:10] as a real voice actor and that was

[00:13:12] Abraham Lincoln and holy moly

[00:13:15] I don't know how you can approach

[00:13:17] such an iconic figure.

[00:13:19] I'm not an actor.

[00:13:20] I've never I've never trained as an

[00:13:22] actor.

[00:13:22] I do I do act in many of my

[00:13:28] the reenactments in my shows

[00:13:31] but I'm not trying to

[00:13:35] convincingly portray these people.

[00:13:37] Oftentimes I'm the only voice so I

[00:13:40] will I will play all the roles

[00:13:42] and I but I don't put on voices

[00:13:45] really for the you know because I

[00:13:48] think I want I think I would be bad

[00:13:50] at it and and too I think it would

[00:13:52] be you know it would cheapen the

[00:13:54] show.

[00:13:55] You know if we wanted that then we

[00:13:57] should hire a full cast.

[00:14:00] My shows are much more of the

[00:14:02] ilk of of of a parent

[00:14:05] telling you a bedtime story right

[00:14:07] in which all the voices are

[00:14:09] your dad.

[00:14:12] And so I have a limited set of

[00:14:13] tools to work with because

[00:14:16] I don't do voices or even try to

[00:14:18] attempt any sort of realistic

[00:14:22] imitation of anyone.

[00:14:24] I have pitch.

[00:14:26] I have pace and I have power.

[00:14:29] The three P's that I that I think

[00:14:30] about when I approach a character

[00:14:33] and this is often very intuitive.

[00:14:35] I read all my scripts cold so

[00:14:37] there's no preparation going into

[00:14:38] this but very soon I will figure

[00:14:40] out which of these two characters

[00:14:42] and it's almost always just to has

[00:14:46] the power in the situation in the

[00:14:47] in in this scene.

[00:14:50] And how can I differentiate them

[00:14:52] by pitching one voice up

[00:14:54] and one voice down and speaking

[00:14:57] a little faster versus speaking a

[00:14:59] little slower.

[00:15:00] And I don't I don't try to

[00:15:03] approximate regional accents.

[00:15:06] I really it's it's kind of a

[00:15:09] deliberate straight down the

[00:15:11] middle sort of thing

[00:15:13] which I think serves the material

[00:15:14] more because it would be

[00:15:15] distracting if you if you try to

[00:15:18] if you heard me try to be these

[00:15:19] people.

[00:15:20] Already I get enough complaints

[00:15:22] that I don't sound like a woman

[00:15:23] which I don't but turns out

[00:15:26] there are a lot of women in

[00:15:28] history.

[00:15:31] Correct.

[00:15:33] OK well no this is awesome.

[00:15:34] I love this kind of one to

[00:15:35] honestly because you know it's

[00:15:37] just

[00:15:38] everyone's got to go where

[00:15:40] they're comfortable.

[00:15:43] Yeah we were making it up as we

[00:15:44] went.

[00:15:45] No there were no no real

[00:15:49] rules for shows like this.

[00:15:52] There are some examples

[00:15:55] but you know it's a from

[00:15:57] the beginning it was it was

[00:15:58] decided that it was a single

[00:16:00] narrator show.

[00:16:02] And although we have employed

[00:16:04] voice actors on American

[00:16:05] history tellers on occasion

[00:16:07] to to more fully realize

[00:16:10] the

[00:16:11] the cultural and social

[00:16:13] tapestry of the history we're

[00:16:14] telling

[00:16:16] most of the time it's just me

[00:16:17] telling you a story.

[00:16:18] And so you kind of have to

[00:16:19] accept that premise.

[00:16:22] It's a very delightful one.

[00:16:23] I

[00:16:25] would you say at this rate

[00:16:27] you're just very fearless

[00:16:29] because when it started it was

[00:16:31] kind of make it or break it

[00:16:32] and then now at this point

[00:16:33] it's just like

[00:16:35] we know the rules to our show.

[00:16:36] We know what we will and won't

[00:16:38] do.

[00:16:41] No one can hurt us at this rate.

[00:16:42] You know.

[00:16:44] Oh well I think

[00:16:45] I think thinking that no one

[00:16:46] can hurt us is probably

[00:16:48] the thing that can hurt us.

[00:16:50] Complacency probably is

[00:16:52] is the the big

[00:16:54] the big danger.

[00:16:56] You are right that in early

[00:16:57] days it was terrifying.

[00:17:00] There was no guarantee of

[00:17:01] success.

[00:17:02] I was working full

[00:17:04] time in marketing

[00:17:06] doing this on nights and

[00:17:07] weekends.

[00:17:08] It was just

[00:17:09] it was just you know almost

[00:17:12] fantasy.

[00:17:12] It was pretend that

[00:17:14] anything like this could

[00:17:15] actually turn into a job.

[00:17:18] But it did.

[00:17:19] And so then

[00:17:20] you know you start to have

[00:17:21] to take it seriously like a

[00:17:22] job

[00:17:23] and then you

[00:17:24] start to grow worried

[00:17:25] because you know you've got

[00:17:26] a family to support and

[00:17:27] things can go away.

[00:17:28] And there are these

[00:17:31] there are these you know

[00:17:32] hundreds of thousands of

[00:17:33] people who are listening to

[00:17:34] your podcast

[00:17:35] and you have no control over

[00:17:36] them.

[00:17:37] Yeah.

[00:17:38] So you you do

[00:17:40] think carefully

[00:17:42] just out of self preservation

[00:17:44] about how things are good

[00:17:46] and what things are efficient

[00:17:47] and how to control costs

[00:17:49] while maximizing quality.

[00:17:53] It is a it is a big dance

[00:17:55] and I don't I think

[00:17:57] my my number one

[00:17:59] frustration

[00:18:00] is always how can this be

[00:18:02] better given given our

[00:18:03] resources given the times

[00:18:05] and the money that we've got.

[00:18:07] How could this be better?

[00:18:09] And so

[00:18:12] am I am I untouchable

[00:18:14] invincible?

[00:18:17] No, absolutely not.

[00:18:18] And and I'm

[00:18:20] every new project

[00:18:23] in events is the same

[00:18:25] feelings of just

[00:18:27] just fear

[00:18:29] that what if it doesn't work out

[00:18:32] because these things

[00:18:34] have real costs and

[00:18:35] and emotional costs

[00:18:36] if they don't if they don't

[00:18:39] take off

[00:18:41] and you have to manage that

[00:18:42] and you manage that by

[00:18:44] the only thing I do have control over

[00:18:46] and that's that's

[00:18:47] how hard I can work at it.

[00:18:50] Lovely.

[00:18:51] And

[00:18:53] given how advertising was

[00:18:55] your main study, are there any

[00:18:58] universities or advertising books

[00:19:01] you recommend for others that

[00:19:02] you think really hold up

[00:19:04] and would be a good

[00:19:06] just introduction to see

[00:19:08] who's serious about this profession

[00:19:10] and who needs some work?

[00:19:12] Well, I need to correct

[00:19:14] a small bit.

[00:19:16] My degree is in marketing, not advertising.

[00:19:19] So, you know, this is much more

[00:19:21] the study of bringing

[00:19:25] products to market.

[00:19:26] What are the what are the

[00:19:28] there's like the three P's of marketing

[00:19:29] or five P's, I can't remember the

[00:19:31] price, the product, the people,

[00:19:33] the place that I don't know if I forget it.

[00:19:35] It's been a long time since I was in class.

[00:19:39] It's also been a long time since I studied

[00:19:41] or paid attention to

[00:19:43] to, you know, anything

[00:19:46] that I've read about marketing.

[00:19:51] So I'm afraid I don't have off

[00:19:53] the top my head any recommendations.

[00:19:56] I'm talking.

[00:20:00] I'm trying to think.

[00:20:03] No, not really.

[00:20:04] I mean, additionally, most of my focus

[00:20:06] was in analytical marketing.

[00:20:08] So it was

[00:20:11] on, you know, I was deeper

[00:20:14] into spreadsheets than anything else.

[00:20:17] And and so

[00:20:19] statistical analysis and

[00:20:21] and and and, you know, sourcing data

[00:20:26] was probably my biggest focus

[00:20:28] and I don't want to recommend

[00:20:30] textbooks of that to anyone.

[00:20:32] Fair enough.

[00:20:34] Given how far you've come now

[00:20:37] and what other advice

[00:20:39] would you say to anyone

[00:20:41] who's constantly noticing

[00:20:43] just their career just shift

[00:20:45] for better or worse

[00:20:47] and how to kind of just remind yourself,

[00:20:50] hey, you know, sleep on this.

[00:20:52] Don't don't stress on this,

[00:20:54] but do, you know, do make a killing.

[00:20:57] Do keep being studious

[00:21:00] and seeing what you can do.

[00:21:02] My my success such as it as it is

[00:21:05] and this new career in podcasting

[00:21:06] is really just a complete accident.

[00:21:11] I was given an opportunity that that I don't

[00:21:15] I don't think I really deserved.

[00:21:18] But somehow I demonstrated an acuity

[00:21:21] in audio and behind the mic

[00:21:25] and in writing ad copy that

[00:21:31] that attracted the attention of Hernan Lopez,

[00:21:34] CEO of Wondering, and that started my career.

[00:21:37] He he put a lot of trust into me.

[00:21:39] So what I'm saying here is

[00:21:45] I don't think that you can control those moments.

[00:21:48] That role of the dice, you know,

[00:21:50] may come your way or may not.

[00:21:53] I had no control over what Hernan heard or thought about me.

[00:21:58] And his subsequent decision to offer me

[00:22:00] the opportunity to host American History Dollars.

[00:22:04] What I did every single time afterwards, though,

[00:22:07] once the lightning is in the bottle,

[00:22:10] I think I will congratulate myself on

[00:22:13] attempting to make.

[00:22:16] Every opportunity work in my favor after that.

[00:22:19] So that if if the spark happens,

[00:22:22] you know, you have to let it catch the kindling

[00:22:26] because you'll never you'll you'll never get your fire going.

[00:22:31] Someone else is bringing the flint.

[00:22:33] You don't control that, but you can build the you know,

[00:22:35] you can build the fire around it.

[00:22:37] And so I would think that anyone struggling

[00:22:42] with any decision really has to

[00:22:45] truthfully, truthfully assess what levers are in their hands.

[00:22:49] What power they really possess.

[00:22:50] What can they change?

[00:22:54] What is in their control?

[00:22:56] And if it is in their control or even close to it,

[00:22:59] then just with all your might run in that direction.

[00:23:06] And you know, and be as the Buddhist,

[00:23:09] if it's out of your control, don't worry.

[00:23:11] If it's in your control, do something about it.

[00:23:15] Lovely.

[00:23:17] And do you feel like just so many people will just kind of

[00:23:22] bottle up and just stress out, not be honest with themselves?

[00:23:26] Like I'm unhappy, but I got to tough it out on this job

[00:23:29] or I could quit this job because there's been five other

[00:23:33] opportunities that have presented themselves

[00:23:35] and I just haven't acted on it yet.

[00:23:39] Yeah, I think there's inertia is very understandable.

[00:23:45] Here.

[00:23:46] Yeah, I mean, well, many most people don't have significant

[00:23:51] buffers to carry them through a dangerous moment in their lives.

[00:23:57] You know, saving money is hard.

[00:23:59] Oh yeah. And then relying on your savings is terrifying.

[00:24:04] So, you know, if you are to make changes or drastic changes

[00:24:07] in your career, you know, you have to face up to the fact of

[00:24:13] well that it could be there could be real catastrophic

[00:24:18] consequences, right?

[00:24:21] And I don't think anyone is really prepared to do that,

[00:24:24] especially if they've if they're older, especially if they have

[00:24:27] people relying on them.

[00:24:29] If they've got an established lifestyle that they can't imagine

[00:24:33] you know, stepping down from.

[00:24:35] It's

[00:24:38] I don't know how to conquer that.

[00:24:40] I think careful planning and a realization of like,

[00:24:44] what is the worst that you could tolerate?

[00:24:48] Is losing your house something that that that can happen

[00:24:52] and you'll be OK with it because you took your shot?

[00:24:57] That what sort of person wouldn't be frightened by that

[00:25:00] that sort of interrogation of their life?

[00:25:03] But if you're going to make risks, you know, take risks and then

[00:25:10] I think I think you just have to assess how risky they are.

[00:25:15] Gotcha.

[00:25:16] Gotcha.

[00:25:19] And given how

[00:25:24] you've illustrated so many significant aspects of history,

[00:25:27] would you recommend people even start to think about

[00:25:31] when people even start teaching historical podcasts in schools and colleges?

[00:25:36] I know that they are.

[00:25:37] I think they're they're used quite often in classrooms to kind of

[00:25:43] bring an additional richness to to a certain subject.

[00:25:46] I love getting responses from listeners, either students or teachers

[00:25:52] indicating that they've they've been listening to one of my shows

[00:25:55] in the classroom or as as homework.

[00:25:58] Um, it's it's just fantastic.

[00:26:01] I'm actually really surprised at how

[00:26:07] how large of a young audience I have

[00:26:10] who listen to these shows with their families or in school

[00:26:14] and just makes me feel wonderful.

[00:26:18] I can't think of the better audience really to have

[00:26:23] because they're so enthusiastic about the subject.

[00:26:25] And this is the first time they've heard this story.

[00:26:28] They're not influenced by anyone else's version of it.

[00:26:31] They have don't have any preconceived notions or or or their own politics

[00:26:35] to bring to the story.

[00:26:37] It is and hopefully just reinforcing

[00:26:42] a love of real history, you know, human history,

[00:26:47] that the study of the people behind the events and dates.

[00:26:50] And and that that we can engender that love of study,

[00:26:55] you know, for the rest of their lives.

[00:26:57] Oh, lovely.

[00:26:59] Anything

[00:27:01] that's upcoming that you would love to plug?

[00:27:08] Um,

[00:27:10] well, you know, I have a lot of shows.

[00:27:12] Yeah, so there's always new new episodes coming out.

[00:27:15] So I'd have three weeklies and one daily right now.

[00:27:18] So please tune into American history tellers,

[00:27:21] American scandal, business movers, which is my history of business shows.

[00:27:26] The shorter daily show History Daily.

[00:27:29] 1865.

[00:27:31] 1865 is the the audio drama about, you know,

[00:27:35] events surrounding Abraham Lincoln's assassination.

[00:27:40] And there's definitely more to come.

[00:27:42] Recently, I've partnered with a bunch of other history podcasters

[00:27:46] to provide a, you know, an ad free bonus content subscription platform.

[00:27:52] It's called into history and you can find out more at intohistory.com.

[00:27:56] But yeah, you can support a lot of really fantastic independent history

[00:28:00] podcasters by subscribing there and getting all of their stuff

[00:28:03] plus a bunch of bonus episodes ad free and sometimes early.

[00:28:08] So that would be meaningful if you like history.

[00:28:11] Oh, totally.

[00:28:11] I'm going for the American elections one slowly and it says

[00:28:16] it's definitely one of those you wish you kind of had

[00:28:18] C-span back in those days, you know, to actually sum up all the winners,

[00:28:24] the losers and just the various tricks they played versus

[00:28:30] the debating skills that were then versus now.

[00:28:34] And it's just eye opening as to what

[00:28:38] just wonder anyone actually gets something out of the, you know,

[00:28:42] debate versus it's just kind of everyone posing, you know.

[00:28:48] Yeah.

[00:28:49] Well, and now that

[00:28:54] these are really taken off, I really do hope just they keep being rediscovered

[00:28:58] and they dated so well to, you know, it's only been like three years

[00:29:03] and still people are rediscovering it or

[00:29:06] introducing it to someone else.

[00:29:08] And it seems easier.

[00:29:11] I applaud all the podcasts

[00:29:13] sites who are actually now like putting different podcasts in different genres.

[00:29:19] Like this is a history podcast, this is a documentary podcast.

[00:29:22] This is a, you know, there's a specifying which exact one it is.

[00:29:28] I hope this keeps being rewarding for you emotionally.

[00:29:32] Oh, thank you.

[00:29:33] Yeah, I hope so too.

[00:29:34] I hope everyone can find meaning in the work.

[00:29:38] I certainly have and it's a really nice feeling.

[00:29:44] So I hope to be doing it for years and years to come.

[00:29:48] And let's just hope that everyone gets a little more past in their present.

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