Favorite Blade Runner Moments (with all-star cast!)

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[00:00:13] Los Angeles, 2019.

[00:00:16] There was an escape from the off-world colonists. They slaughtered...

[00:00:19] The assignment? Track down six manufactured humans. He's the best man for the job.

[00:00:26] But he may die trying to prove it.

[00:00:34] Harrison Ford is...

[00:00:36] The Blade Runner.

[00:00:46] What happened 30 years back?

[00:00:49] I was long gone by then.

[00:00:51] I scrambled the records, covered my tracks.

[00:00:54] Why?

[00:00:55] Because that was the plan.

[00:00:57] Because we were being hunted.

[00:01:00] Because sometimes to love someone...

[00:01:03] You gotta be a stranger.

[00:01:07] The strangers.

[00:01:08] We did our experience in an IMAX.

[00:01:10] October 6th.

[00:01:58] We got...

[00:02:00] Josh Hansen from Action Movie and Comic Book.

[00:02:04] Book Club.

[00:02:05] Book Club for the win.

[00:02:07] Book clubs you can join without ever reading.

[00:02:09] A single...

[00:02:09] Right.

[00:02:10] I still have to send him a list of stuff to read.

[00:02:13] Mike Insing is back as always.

[00:02:15] Welcome.

[00:02:16] Hey.

[00:02:16] Howdy-hoo, howdy-hoo.

[00:02:18] Gil Palmer.

[00:02:19] The one, the only film connoisseur.

[00:02:21] Wake up.

[00:02:22] Time to die.

[00:02:22] So, we're gonna talk about all things Philip K. Dick and cyberpunk here.

[00:02:27] We will deviate a bit because it's all actually pretty on point and related.

[00:02:31] We got William Bregnard from Future War Stories also joining us.

[00:02:36] I've read some stuff.

[00:02:37] It's good.

[00:02:37] Yes.

[00:02:38] And if you want the ultimate figuring out how a cyborg functions in Colonial Marines, he is your guy.

[00:02:44] Can you hear me?

[00:02:45] Yes.

[00:02:46] Now we're good.

[00:02:47] Finally.

[00:02:47] He had us in suspense.

[00:02:50] Finally.

[00:02:51] It's like when the Falcon is docking with the Death Star, what's gonna stop them from blowing it out of the sky?

[00:02:57] Always something anymore.

[00:02:58] Hello, hello.

[00:02:59] Chances are, every other thing is influenced by Blade Runner.

[00:03:03] From Fifth Element to Dark City, you name it.

[00:03:06] It just seems like it is the go-to for, if you want to show a dystopia with Oriental markets, with flying cars, with future cops.

[00:03:15] I mean, even Trancers, you know, with Tim Thomerson was a ripoff of it, you know?

[00:03:19] And they had the nerve to include the future car in a scene.

[00:03:25] We will go around a bit, and this will sprinkle into some other Philip K. Dick adaptations.

[00:03:30] What is it about the whole Deckard saga that just ignites?

[00:03:34] We also got Oreo here, by the way.

[00:03:37] How you doing, buddy?

[00:03:38] I'm here.

[00:03:39] You're here, but is it the real you, or is it a cyborg synth to replace you?

[00:03:43] I don't know.

[00:03:44] We have the one, the only, Vern from Cinema Recall.

[00:03:48] Hi, everybody.

[00:03:49] Hello.

[00:03:50] Sorry I was late in here.

[00:03:51] He is an unapologetic Blade Runner fanatic, and it would not be right if I had excluded him.

[00:03:57] Yeah, this is like...

[00:03:58] Well, thank you, Cam.

[00:04:00] I'm saying that right now while I hold my Blade Runner VHS.

[00:04:06] VHS, okay, wow.

[00:04:07] Old school at the original VHS version.

[00:04:10] Oh my goodness.

[00:04:11] I've seen all the different cuts of the movie, read the book, the animation of the movie,

[00:04:19] and read the book on the movie itself, and yeah, so I'm very excited to get into, and I'm

[00:04:24] going to learn a lot from other people there, because I'm just an avid fan, but all of you

[00:04:28] are like experts.

[00:04:29] I'm here to learn from you all, okay?

[00:04:32] I am basking in your story here.

[00:04:34] Absorb positive vibes, baby.

[00:04:35] I am just absorbing everything, okay?

[00:04:37] I'm like that geeky little guy that's like, hey, hey, woo, ha, woo, and it's everywhere,

[00:04:41] so I will just let the experts take it away.

[00:04:45] I will do more.

[00:04:47] I've seen the movie once, so.

[00:04:49] Okay.

[00:04:50] I'm an expert.

[00:04:51] All right, see?

[00:04:53] But I'm hoping we'll get to talk about all the different cuts of this movie, and talk about

[00:04:58] how this film came to be.

[00:05:00] We'll talk about the sequel as well.

[00:05:02] I, too, have tried reading Bill K. Dick at different intervals, and I need to just sit

[00:05:06] down and try again, because, you know, he is very, very complex, very detailed, so you

[00:05:10] got to be in the right frame mind to make sense of, do, you know, androids dream of an electric

[00:05:15] sheep, you know?

[00:05:16] Not only that, but many of these works, too.

[00:05:19] And noir is the same as, like, you know, Blade Runner is, like, noir.

[00:05:23] I don't know, like, whose first time was it watching this movie?

[00:05:28] Oh, with Blade Runner, definitely in the 2000s.

[00:05:31] How about you, Will?

[00:05:33] You've seen it over a hundred times.

[00:05:35] Over a hundred times.

[00:05:38] My introduction was...

[00:05:40] Oh, I'm sorry.

[00:05:41] No, no, go ahead.

[00:05:42] I have a whole story.

[00:05:43] My introduction was a Marvel comic book before I actually saw the movie.

[00:05:47] That's a true adaptation.

[00:05:49] Oh, my God.

[00:05:51] If you like the other adaptations of other stuff, like DC's Total Recall, I think you'll

[00:05:55] like it.

[00:05:56] Go ahead.

[00:05:57] That's all right.

[00:05:57] But the visual style of Blade Runner and Dreadnought is for the Electric Sheep, you know, it's

[00:06:03] like a happy accident that this movie is, you know, because we have Ridley Scott involved

[00:06:08] and Ridley wanted it to look like Tokyo, to look like Times Square.

[00:06:12] And that's where all this stuff, as you can see, Cityscape in the back of me.

[00:06:16] Yeah.

[00:06:17] Yeah.

[00:06:17] It's crazy what the book is and what's crazy is the movie.

[00:06:22] You know, and here's the thing I kind of wanted to put...

[00:06:24] Who could have predicted it?

[00:06:25] ...backstory about Blade Runner, about how...

[00:06:28] Because I was...

[00:06:30] I didn't see it in the theater.

[00:06:31] In 82, I was six.

[00:06:33] And so I saw other movies like Dark Crystal, Secret Light, you know, the NIMH movie.

[00:06:38] So I saw those movies.

[00:06:39] But Blade Runner came and went.

[00:06:41] It died in the theater.

[00:06:42] Yeah.

[00:06:42] Like Fight Club.

[00:06:43] No one liked it at the time.

[00:06:45] No one liked it.

[00:06:46] It's fascinating that they keep trying to do, like, sequels and, like, little...

[00:06:52] Yeah.

[00:06:52] Because it was never a hit.

[00:06:54] Yeah.

[00:06:55] Of course.

[00:06:56] I'm sure it's got to be chaotic.

[00:06:58] Like, 2029 was a bomb.

[00:07:01] Yeah.

[00:07:03] But didn't it be...

[00:07:05] I'm pretty sure that...

[00:07:06] Small sect of people who are super into it.

[00:07:10] Yeah.

[00:07:10] I'm pretty sure that changed when videotape came out.

[00:07:13] Yes.

[00:07:14] Oh, it totally did.

[00:07:15] It's just...

[00:07:16] It's a theater then.

[00:07:16] Yeah.

[00:07:17] But like Josh is saying, history repeats itself.

[00:07:19] It's like everyone just kind of braced themselves.

[00:07:21] It's like, it's good.

[00:07:22] The quality.

[00:07:23] But we're not going to make a profit off it.

[00:07:25] But it didn't affect Dennis V's career.

[00:07:28] So that's cool.

[00:07:28] You're not going to make a box office profit.

[00:07:30] But you're going to make an afterlife in...

[00:07:32] Before it was VHM.

[00:07:33] People are going to rent it.

[00:07:34] Yeah.

[00:07:35] Now it's full of rent.

[00:07:35] Now it's digital.

[00:07:36] Whatever.

[00:07:37] You will get that money back.

[00:07:38] But it's not going to...

[00:07:39] It's going to show up as a bomb.

[00:07:42] There is not as much narration in the work print cut.

[00:07:45] But I have like one bit of dialogue from Deckard at the end when Roy Batty gives his tears in the rain.

[00:07:51] Oh, that's right.

[00:07:52] There's a bit of dialogue that Deckard says at the end of that that she works great.

[00:08:00] Can you believe that was all improvised?

[00:08:02] Can you imagine what a different movie that would have been?

[00:08:06] He just beats him up and he just dies after sitting there.

[00:08:09] That would have been like, okay.

[00:08:13] He would have felt a little anti-climatic.

[00:08:17] What was the actual part of the script then?

[00:08:20] To my knowledge, he was just supposed to die after a fight.

[00:08:23] And the only stuff I have is Rutgerd Howard's autobiography, which was published years before he unfortunately left us.

[00:08:32] But I was just like, man, what a dedicated man.

[00:08:35] Just what a cool town.

[00:08:37] There's the book.

[00:08:38] There's the book.

[00:08:39] I think some people are referencing.

[00:08:41] It's called...

[00:08:42] It's by Peter Simmons.

[00:08:44] He's dead now.

[00:08:45] And he wrote two versions of the Blade Runner book.

[00:08:48] Future Noir.

[00:08:50] I can't remember that much.

[00:08:51] You have that.

[00:08:52] That is a good book.

[00:08:53] And if anyone's interested at all in anything in Blade Runner, it is the Bible.

[00:08:58] Yes.

[00:08:58] He's written everything.

[00:08:59] And he did a version of it.

[00:09:01] I had the original.

[00:09:02] And you guys might have...

[00:09:04] There's a new one, the second edition that's out.

[00:09:06] And it is...

[00:09:08] It's a compelling read.

[00:09:09] I read it when it first came out.

[00:09:11] And it has everything.

[00:09:12] And this version, this book was out before we had any of the other versions.

[00:09:18] Before we had an internet database.

[00:09:19] Yeah.

[00:09:20] People were calling themselves spinner fans.

[00:09:23] There was...

[00:09:24] This is how I learned, okay, there's an international edition.

[00:09:26] It's a little bit more violent.

[00:09:28] There's...

[00:09:28] I saw the TV edit.

[00:09:30] Or you saw this version.

[00:09:31] Okay, in the work print, we've got the two geisha that are dancing.

[00:09:34] This is only shot from it.

[00:09:36] You may see it one day.

[00:09:37] And he was a master.

[00:09:38] I mean, the only reason...

[00:09:39] You know, when he got me down the rabbit hole trying to figure out what that gun is that Deckard used.

[00:09:43] I wrote...

[00:09:43] I wrote, God, like a hundred page article on it once.

[00:09:47] Yes, he did.

[00:09:48] I can't blame you.

[00:09:49] I was...

[00:09:50] I think it even took the internet firearm database to even take a while to figure out what...

[00:09:55] They have a hell of a hard one.

[00:09:57] ...to be so loved because it has all these intricacies.

[00:09:59] And like these...

[00:10:00] There wasn't an internet at the beginning.

[00:10:03] Yeah.

[00:10:04] You can learn everything.

[00:10:05] So you had to...

[00:10:06] You had to find your people that were into this like you were.

[00:10:10] It was a word of mouth kind of movie.

[00:10:12] I mean, definitely...

[00:10:14] Probably the second and third movie I saw Daryl Hannah in.

[00:10:16] Definitely the first thing I saw Joanna Cassidy in, though.

[00:10:18] That is for sure.

[00:10:19] And Brian James, there's a guy who's been in every Walter Hill, you know, Western or cop movie, you know, Dangle of Cash.

[00:10:26] And he's like the go-to 80s bad guy.

[00:10:29] But he was perfect casting because of his whole just innocent...

[00:10:33] Like he was like the bully on the block who doesn't realize he's picking on people.

[00:10:36] Like that's...

[00:10:37] He had that mixture of cluelessness and he too, like Deckard, wants to figure himself out.

[00:10:43] And don't forget...

[00:10:44] When he shoots, he doesn't even...

[00:10:45] He was a new art.

[00:10:47] Oh!

[00:10:48] He was one of the Daryls, right?

[00:10:50] Yeah, he was one of the brothers.

[00:10:51] And every time I'd see him, then I got to see the movie.

[00:10:53] Oh my word!

[00:10:53] We rented the movie Blader and my brother and I, I'm like, hey, that's the guy from Newhart.

[00:10:57] And I was like...

[00:10:58] And then it went dark and I'm like, whoa, that went weird.

[00:11:03] He's in a movie.

[00:11:04] Are you expecting his brothers Daryl and Daryl?

[00:11:06] Yeah.

[00:11:07] That would have been really funny if they had been made Blade Runner after.

[00:11:10] That would have been hilarious.

[00:11:11] Like he had replicants of that.

[00:11:12] That would have been too rare.

[00:11:13] The Newhart in the future reunion.

[00:11:15] That would be great.

[00:11:16] He was in the sci-fi adventure film Nemesis, which was by the director of Cyborg.

[00:11:21] But he was playing a totally kind of like that.

[00:11:23] He's the replicant.

[00:11:24] When you got Castile from Miami Vice, too.

[00:11:28] Ah!

[00:11:29] Doing all the shoots.

[00:11:31] Yeah.

[00:11:31] Wasn't everybody Miami Vice?

[00:11:33] Yeah.

[00:11:34] Everton's almost the perfect casting.

[00:11:35] I'll never forget that perfect trivia where, you know, he and Harrison were pros.

[00:11:40] He's almost was all about, you know, what can I bring to the scene?

[00:11:43] He's like, hey, I want to since we don't have much to work with.

[00:11:47] I'm just in one scene.

[00:11:48] How about I call you, you know, a horse's cock in Spanish and something just to show we got a history or something.

[00:11:54] And Harrison's like, you're cool.

[00:11:56] You do what you want to do.

[00:11:58] I'll play off of it.

[00:11:59] You know, so that is awesome, especially considering how he and Sean Young weren't getting along and Ridley is having to battle the Zex trying to get the movie done on time and having electrical issues.

[00:12:10] You know, it's just that that's cool that there was still a good sense of rapport between everybody.

[00:12:15] And the fact that Harrison even wants to still talk about this movie, given how he doesn't necessarily want to talk about anything else.

[00:12:20] You know, yeah, that's pretty cool.

[00:12:23] That's true.

[00:12:24] It's very shocked that he was in the sequel as well, just being the fact that he had so much difficulty making the movie.

[00:12:29] I mean, crews were quitting on Ridley Scott.

[00:12:32] The closest I ever got.

[00:12:33] The closest I've ever gotten is I met his stunt double, who now was kind of his digital stand-in Mike Massa.

[00:12:40] It was so funny.

[00:12:41] I met him years ago when I was editing Wiccas and I was asking him info about Indiana Jones and everything.

[00:12:47] And well, behold.

[00:12:50] Hmm?

[00:12:51] Yeah.

[00:12:51] It's on the tank.

[00:12:52] From the horse?

[00:12:54] No, no.

[00:12:55] We're talking Crystal Skull era.

[00:12:57] But like, he's doubled Harrison more recently.

[00:13:00] Like, his go-to guy.

[00:13:01] He's been a digital stand-in for him on, like, Force Awakens and everything.

[00:13:04] But next thing you know, I'm on a National Geographic show where he's the stunt coordinator.

[00:13:07] And he just had a good sense of humor.

[00:13:09] He got to joke, hey, I doubled one and two Supermans.

[00:13:13] You know what I mean?

[00:13:14] And then he just would just, he'd just do little other quirks that were just awesome.

[00:13:18] Like, he got us in the mood.

[00:13:19] He's like, oh, we got to get in the battalion.

[00:13:22] Oh, that's right.

[00:13:23] That's you.

[00:13:24] Let's go in there.

[00:13:25] Let's go get in there.

[00:13:27] He still didn't use to stand it when Harrison Ford hit Ron and Gosling in the face during that Elvis scene in Las Vegas.

[00:13:33] So, you know, we have that in Blade Runner.

[00:13:35] I don't know if that's in the actual movie where he hit him.

[00:13:38] I kind of think it is.

[00:13:39] Yeah, it is.

[00:13:40] I can't remember that.

[00:13:41] I do recall a punch in the face.

[00:13:43] Yeah.

[00:13:43] Oh, sure.

[00:13:45] You know, you don't want to hit him.

[00:13:48] Put it down.

[00:13:48] You can see his reaction.

[00:13:49] Like, what the fuck?

[00:13:52] Do you feel like they didn't advertise it well?

[00:13:56] Because, like, I saw many people going in and they were expecting, like, a Matrix-type movie.

[00:14:00] I'm like, well, similar.

[00:14:01] But it's a slow burn.

[00:14:03] It's not.

[00:14:04] It was hard to watch in theaters because, one, a lot of the scenes were dark.

[00:14:10] So if you're sitting in the top row, you have bad eyesight.

[00:14:13] You can't see shit.

[00:14:16] Here's the thing, too.

[00:14:17] The theater, the people that showed the film in theaters really need to preview that film and have, like, a better light.

[00:14:25] A pre-visualization, yeah.

[00:14:27] Because I saw it once in Dolby Cinema and it was great.

[00:14:31] The colors were crisp.

[00:14:32] They were clear.

[00:14:33] I was surprised how my theater was behaving because usually they always crap out or have some issue with the audio feedback.

[00:14:40] And, fortunately, they had their shit together.

[00:14:41] It was like a Star Wars opening.

[00:14:43] They're like, we can't goof this up.

[00:14:44] We got to.

[00:14:45] The Dolby Cinema screen was great.

[00:14:46] And then I went to watch it again and, like, just wait until it's like the regular digital format.

[00:14:52] And there's something with the light bulb.

[00:14:54] It wasn't as charged up as it should be.

[00:14:58] And so certain scenes were a lot darker than it should have been.

[00:15:01] It should have been just a little bit more later.

[00:15:02] Blu-ray quality.

[00:15:03] So, yeah.

[00:15:04] It was definitely not like the 4K Blu-ray quality right there.

[00:15:07] Now everything's 4K.

[00:15:08] Oh.

[00:15:09] And I think the reason why the Super Bowl got me...

[00:15:22] Three people.

[00:15:24] I saw it at, like, 9 because I was going through Antigo and a cop stopped me.

[00:15:29] He goes, what are you doing out so late?

[00:15:31] I'm like, what are you, my mother?

[00:15:32] And I said, that's all later in 2049.

[00:15:34] And it was amazing.

[00:15:35] And he's like, you can go, sir.

[00:15:37] I'm like, let's talk about the movie.

[00:15:38] Because I was going to write a review of it that night.

[00:15:40] But I saw it with three people.

[00:15:41] It was so loud.

[00:15:42] I'm so glad that cop didn't go all, like, the bad cops and recall.

[00:15:47] There's so much to go into with that story that's not related to what we're talking about.

[00:15:52] I know.

[00:15:52] But it was interesting.

[00:15:55] And, like, you could tell the people that have never seen this.

[00:15:57] But I'm in the theater crying my eyeballs out.

[00:16:00] I, so, you'll love this.

[00:16:02] I take my sister to it.

[00:16:05] I don't know what they're going into.

[00:16:08] Right?

[00:16:09] My friend was brushed up on it.

[00:16:11] He went into it.

[00:16:12] He's like, I love this.

[00:16:13] I'm going to check out the original movie.

[00:16:14] I love that, too.

[00:16:15] Same thing.

[00:16:15] My sister's like, I know the ins and outs.

[00:16:18] I know the nuts and bolts.

[00:16:20] No pun.

[00:16:21] She's cried at it.

[00:16:22] She's like, Hannah Domas.

[00:16:23] What an amazing actress.

[00:16:24] You know, all this falling in love with a hologram.

[00:16:26] All this forbidden love.

[00:16:28] You know, just perfect.

[00:16:29] You know, Gosling.

[00:16:30] I didn't know he could be serious.

[00:16:31] You know, and I've only seen him in, like, Crazy Stupid Love and Russell Crowe movies.

[00:16:36] You should see Blue Balance.

[00:16:38] I have it.

[00:16:38] It's good, too.

[00:16:39] That one is good.

[00:16:40] We should all hate him because he's, like, super ripped and handsome.

[00:16:44] Murder by numbers.

[00:16:44] Yeah.

[00:16:45] He's not funny.

[00:16:47] We should have Pat Nelson.

[00:16:49] I think you reviewed recently.

[00:16:51] Yeah, Ghostbumps.

[00:16:52] You would bring up Ghostbusters.

[00:16:54] But young Hercules.

[00:16:56] There you go.

[00:16:57] Yeah, that's true.

[00:16:58] But I just find it funny how, yeah, I mean, as I'm going, you know, I'm texting my filmmaking

[00:17:04] buddy, Ruby, you know, and her and her husband, Joe, are all picky.

[00:17:09] Like, he loves all kinds of gangster stuff.

[00:17:11] And she's like, eh, I prefer it be more cop or inspirational and stuff.

[00:17:15] So they're already nitpicking it.

[00:17:17] And I told him, I'm about to see that.

[00:17:19] They're like, oh, we fell asleep.

[00:17:21] I'm like, oh, what did you expect?

[00:17:24] Oh, Matrix type movie.

[00:17:25] I'm like, nope.

[00:17:27] Nope.

[00:17:28] And no.

[00:17:29] And then she, her husband's excuse is like, I love the original.

[00:17:32] And I'm like, well, I thought it was the same.

[00:17:36] The original?

[00:17:37] I don't know how you could shit on the new one.

[00:17:40] You'd be surprised.

[00:17:40] I like the new one very much.

[00:17:44] I took, I sat by friends watch it and they've never seen Blade Runner.

[00:17:48] They saw clips of it.

[00:17:49] I saw the new one before I saw the original.

[00:17:52] It's not that long a movie.

[00:17:53] You're able to understand everything that happens in the Blade Runner.

[00:17:55] You don't really need to see the first one.

[00:17:57] I was never lost.

[00:17:58] That's a good movie.

[00:18:00] Yeah.

[00:18:00] But do you agree with this?

[00:18:03] Do you, Josh, do you have to see the original to enjoy the second one?

[00:18:07] If you never saw the first one, can you still understand the storyline?

[00:18:11] I love the finale of 2049.

[00:18:13] And I had never seen, it made me go watch the original.

[00:18:17] Yeah.

[00:18:17] There you go.

[00:18:18] See?

[00:18:18] I want to know for more.

[00:18:19] Just that level of suspense that they build up where we're not sure if we can trust the

[00:18:24] police lieutenant and then we find out she does have his back, but she's about to

[00:18:27] be killed by the actual guys trying to set him up.

[00:18:30] I, you have.

[00:18:31] I like the whole storyline where K is just trying to figure out who he is and he may actually

[00:18:37] be.

[00:18:38] What it always was.

[00:18:39] Self-identity.

[00:18:40] Yeah.

[00:18:40] Yeah.

[00:18:41] That montage where they show returning people.

[00:18:44] Yeah.

[00:18:45] Right.

[00:18:45] Is the ambiguity of it all.

[00:18:47] Just those first 10, 20 minutes.

[00:18:49] They wisely spend just recreating the whole feel.

[00:18:52] And then once they're comfortable, then they.

[00:18:55] Yeah.

[00:18:55] There's a lot of slow moments.

[00:18:57] They're all character driven moments.

[00:19:00] It's recreating the world, getting comfy instead of just rushing you in and doing only fan

[00:19:05] service or dividing your audience.

[00:19:08] Also, everything's beautiful.

[00:19:09] Yeah.

[00:19:10] And the fact they brought back in Hampton Fancher to do the scripts.

[00:19:14] That's a good point.

[00:19:15] And a lot of the stuff that was in the original script for Blade Runner finds its way into

[00:19:21] 2049, which I thought was actually great.

[00:19:24] In fact, in the original script, Hampton Fancher wanted the whole entire plot of Blade Runner

[00:19:29] to just take place in apartment buildings.

[00:19:31] He didn't want to see the outside.

[00:19:33] But it was really Scott that said to him, hey, what happens outside the window?

[00:19:37] And Rantford Fancher's like, what do you mean it happens outside?

[00:19:39] We're here in these rooms.

[00:19:41] Yeah.

[00:19:41] Really, Scott, I want to see the world outside of these rooms that you're doing.

[00:19:44] I want to see that.

[00:19:45] I want to see just the in the room.

[00:19:47] Even dissecting all those different shorts, you know, that that's those are episodes in

[00:19:50] and of themselves.

[00:19:51] Oh, oh, yes.

[00:19:52] Oh, gosh.

[00:19:53] The animated one is great.

[00:19:55] I love the animated one.

[00:19:56] Anybody else watching Joanna Cassidy take a shower there?

[00:20:00] Sure.

[00:20:01] Mike, you peeping Tommy.

[00:20:07] No, Mike loves to have and I love this.

[00:20:10] It's a great interactivity.

[00:20:12] But for those who can't see it, you know, we have often some movie replaying in the background.

[00:20:15] And it is always funny when we get to a scene.

[00:20:17] And at least twice now we've had it where the scene we coincidentally are talking about

[00:20:21] happens to actually be going on in the scene.

[00:20:24] It's subliminal.

[00:20:26] So there had to be moves.

[00:20:28] There had to be.

[00:20:28] Of course.

[00:20:29] I was like, you're going to make a movie in the 80s.

[00:20:33] Oh, and a cast.

[00:20:34] Well, there was a lot more that was in 2049.

[00:20:36] Oh, yes.

[00:20:37] Oh, OK.

[00:20:38] The whole hologram set sequence that's in that movie is great.

[00:20:44] The way that.

[00:20:45] But Kudos to him.

[00:20:47] Like it feels kind of like Altered Carbon.

[00:20:50] You're showing why people would give into their urge as opposed to.

[00:20:54] Now, of course, shit.

[00:20:56] Yes.

[00:20:57] You were going to say that earlier.

[00:20:58] And so if anything, we're.

[00:21:02] It's even making you wonder if we're de-evolving as a society.

[00:21:06] You know, all of this stuff that we're predicting is becoming reality.

[00:21:10] So the way that they have on Damaris sort of like move in with the body of Mackenzie Davis character,

[00:21:18] I thought was actually very well done.

[00:21:20] The way those both actors had to like.

[00:21:22] So.

[00:21:23] So.

[00:21:23] So.

[00:21:25] So.

[00:21:25] So.

[00:21:27] So.

[00:21:27] So.

[00:21:27] So.

[00:21:28] So.

[00:21:28] We could have gotten the NC-17 version of that movie to see more of what happens.

[00:21:34] There's still time.

[00:21:35] Of them actually being able to have sets in that sequence there.

[00:21:38] The way they're able to like mate.

[00:21:40] Oh, I would just be brilliant.

[00:21:41] Can you just say that?

[00:21:42] No, that was a real pain in the butt to film that.

[00:21:44] Nothing.

[00:21:44] I bet it would be.

[00:21:45] I mean, they filmed aliens having sex in Avatar and that got PG-13.

[00:21:49] So, I mean, anything's possible.

[00:21:51] Just make them aliens.

[00:21:52] They'll think about it.

[00:21:54] Oh, man.

[00:21:55] That's great.

[00:21:55] The shot of the gun.

[00:21:56] So.

[00:21:57] So.

[00:21:58] We're watching.

[00:21:59] I'm watching 2040, 2049 today.

[00:22:02] And I'm going, did I see this in the theater or on TV?

[00:22:06] And then my next thought was, was this implanted in my brain?

[00:22:10] Am I a replicant?

[00:22:14] The movie starts to get to leave.

[00:22:16] Thinking like that.

[00:22:17] Hey.

[00:22:17] Much reach agility.

[00:22:19] Mike, I got a question for you as a fellow Misty.

[00:22:22] Do you recognize the guy who played Tyrone?

[00:22:25] I knew you were going to bring that up.

[00:22:26] From an MST?

[00:22:27] Tormented.

[00:22:28] I had a vague, vague.

[00:22:30] Tormented.

[00:22:30] The doctor in Tormented is the doctor.

[00:22:33] I'd seen him.

[00:22:36] He's also, as Vern knows, I'm sure the rest of you know, he's the bartender in The Shining.

[00:22:43] Lloyd?

[00:22:44] Yes, Lloyd.

[00:22:45] Yep.

[00:22:46] Oh, the bartender in what?

[00:22:48] In The Shining.

[00:22:49] The Shining.

[00:22:49] Oh, okay.

[00:22:50] But what's that?

[00:22:51] The Shindig.

[00:22:51] Yeah.

[00:22:51] It's a good connection.

[00:22:53] But wait, what?

[00:22:54] I don't know about the MST 3K reference there.

[00:22:56] I don't know what.

[00:22:57] Yeah.

[00:22:57] Yeah.

[00:22:58] He, he's been a long time actor.

[00:23:01] And so he's inevitably starred in some D movies for Roger Corman.

[00:23:04] But we just find it funny how he's the.

[00:23:06] Okay.

[00:23:06] Okay.

[00:23:06] I gouged the eyes in Blade Runner.

[00:23:08] I know he has a name.

[00:23:09] During the scene, when he's meeting Deckard, he goes, I'm going to provide you with a negative

[00:23:13] before I provide you with a positive before I provide you with a negative.

[00:23:15] That was such great wordplay.

[00:23:17] Oh my God.

[00:23:18] But he couldn't remember the lines.

[00:23:20] Like he's reading a cue card.

[00:23:21] If you watch his eyeline, I read that.

[00:23:23] Oh, Jimbo.

[00:23:24] Oh, sure.

[00:23:25] Paul Simmons, not Peter.

[00:23:26] Paul Simmons, I had to remember.

[00:23:27] So like those government agent shows, they needed some kind of teleprompter or something,

[00:23:32] you know, so they get cue cards because you couldn't remember it.

[00:23:36] It's the same way they got the guy who played the cowboy in Mulholland Drive to do his lines

[00:23:40] with cue cards because.

[00:23:42] On the Lynch film?

[00:23:42] Yeah.

[00:23:43] The Lynch film.

[00:23:44] There's a, when the cowboy is interviewing Justin Theroux, he has to use a cue card because

[00:23:50] he does not remember his lines.

[00:23:52] And that's why he speaks very slowly and that way because he had a hard time remembering his

[00:23:56] lines.

[00:23:57] So that's funny.

[00:23:58] The way that Joe Turkle did the same thing.

[00:24:00] But Kudos to the editor.

[00:24:01] You don't, you don't see that.

[00:24:02] Unlike when you see an actor and they're first getting comfy being an actor, you know, you

[00:24:07] can kind of tell in that scene, they're being prompted by the director off screen, you know,

[00:24:12] probably being scared.

[00:24:14] Well, they put the unicorn sequence in there, but unicorns are imaginary.

[00:24:19] So why would that be an implanted memory if it's not realistic too?

[00:24:24] Later on, they talked about in 2049, they talked about implanted or constructed memory.

[00:24:30] I thought that that's kind of what I got a gist of it too.

[00:24:32] It's kind of like, you're not hungry.

[00:24:36] There's no right answer.

[00:24:38] There is no right answer.

[00:24:39] They never said it.

[00:24:40] They never, I hope they didn't.

[00:24:41] But that's, but this is the difference between like a hackneyed word versus a work of art.

[00:24:46] We are still getting different variations on it versus we're arguing about it and the screenwriters

[00:24:51] don't have a fucking answer, you know?

[00:24:53] Let's see, like, like, but to your point.

[00:24:57] Hold on.

[00:24:57] Hold on.

[00:24:58] Hold on.

[00:24:59] There's no arguing about it.

[00:25:00] There is no point in arguing about it.

[00:25:03] Two Mike's point.

[00:25:03] Oh, there's a point in arguing about it.

[00:25:05] That's why we're here.

[00:25:07] It's still a right answer.

[00:25:09] There is no right answer.

[00:25:10] Yeah.

[00:25:11] Two Mike's earlier point.

[00:25:12] Whatever you fucking believe.

[00:25:14] Okay.

[00:25:15] So with the unicorn, you know, think of it as how you don't remember that you're hungry until

[00:25:20] you start smelling a stew.

[00:25:22] You know, that's kind of what the unicorn thing that's inviting him to kind of dream.

[00:25:25] That's what I took.

[00:25:27] That may not even be right at all, but that's okay.

[00:25:29] That's part of the guessing game.

[00:25:31] The unicorn goes into that version where Deckard is replicant.

[00:25:35] And that's why I like it for that storyline.

[00:25:37] And I like the fact that there's all the different versions of Blade Runner where I can

[00:25:41] see it as just being a detective story.

[00:25:43] That's why I like the narration because it just feels like a film noir detective story.

[00:25:49] And then if I watch the final cuts, I'm watching a story about a man who's discovering that he

[00:25:56] probably is the thing that he's trying to hunt.

[00:25:58] And the theatrical version, he's trying to find empathy for these people that are hunting.

[00:26:02] But in the final cuts, he finds out that he is the people that he's hunting.

[00:26:08] And I like the fact that there's different ways of looking at this material and whatnot.

[00:26:14] I said, that's the only cut I've seen.

[00:26:16] I still didn't think he was.

[00:26:18] Okay.

[00:26:19] There you go.

[00:26:20] All right.

[00:26:20] That's why my point is you can think whatever you want.

[00:26:25] You can take whatever you want.

[00:26:26] The story.

[00:26:27] And that's why it's so great.

[00:26:29] Sure.

[00:26:30] Because you take any aspect or any thought process or coming about it in this angle or

[00:26:36] that angle, and you can come to a different answer than anybody sitting right next to you.

[00:26:43] I am curious.

[00:26:44] He could have dreamt the unicorn.

[00:26:46] He could have dreamt the unicorn.

[00:26:48] It wasn't necessarily a memory, too.

[00:26:50] Right.

[00:26:50] There's answers for every second of it.

[00:26:53] But I thought that since...

[00:26:55] I don't know why it's got its tracks covered, you know, instead of...

[00:26:57] But here's the two.

[00:26:57] When Gaff puts that unicorn down, it's supposed to represent that Gaff knows about these members

[00:27:03] being implanted into Deckard's head.

[00:27:05] But he still let him go.

[00:27:07] He was there to actually kill Rachel.

[00:27:09] But he decided to let them go because Gaff...

[00:27:11] Let him go.

[00:27:12] He wants to be like...

[00:27:14] He wants to be like the next big Blade Runner.

[00:27:16] He wants to get that promotion and whatnot.

[00:27:18] And then he starts to discover feelings.

[00:27:21] Who knows?

[00:27:22] He may have met Priss, the pleasure model, before then.

[00:27:24] He thought, hey, you know what?

[00:27:26] His head grids are my thing.

[00:27:28] All right?

[00:27:28] Well, Gaff had to get back to his Battlestar.

[00:27:30] I mean, he was going to take off.

[00:27:31] So he's got to get back.

[00:27:33] He's got...

[00:27:34] He's got...

[00:27:34] It's right.

[00:27:35] He's got...

[00:27:35] And it is part of the Valverde universe.

[00:27:37] That's right.

[00:27:39] Scott said it's in the Alienverse.

[00:27:41] He inserted a spinner into Prometheus.

[00:27:43] That's the two.

[00:27:45] I heard that they put, like, Blade Runner stuff into Prometheus.

[00:27:48] In the background.

[00:27:50] And he confirmed it.

[00:27:51] And then Joel Silver and Steven DeSouza built on it with the Predator crossovers.

[00:27:56] In Alien 2, there's some, like, pyramid in the city.

[00:27:59] Yeah.

[00:28:00] That started it.

[00:28:01] And then there's the Terminator Robocop crossover comic.

[00:28:05] If you want to get into this, my...

[00:28:07] They should have crossed over Star Trek.

[00:28:09] And then with two years, point...

[00:28:11] Well, there's, like, the concept and all that.

[00:28:14] And the new Galactica then just said, hey, the Cylons are technically, you know, they're asleep, much like these replicants.

[00:28:23] And they addressed all the Marines as Colonial Marines.

[00:28:25] So that started their whole Aliens Blade Runner connection.

[00:28:30] Fun stuff.

[00:28:31] If you're not already confused.

[00:28:32] But, I mean, I still...

[00:28:34] I still...

[00:28:35] For a movie that just came out, you know, that was critically pushed aside, you know, I still got to applaud them.

[00:28:41] You know, it's like that...

[00:28:42] They gave it everything they got.

[00:28:43] And the quality won out.

[00:28:45] You know, that's cool.

[00:28:47] You know?

[00:28:48] Well, the visuals on that were beautiful.

[00:28:51] Yeah.

[00:28:51] It was.

[00:28:52] It was good.

[00:28:53] That definitely made me fall in love with the rest of the time.

[00:28:55] I saw it in the 2000s.

[00:28:59] Like, I could appreciate it for, like, when the time was.

[00:29:03] But it didn't blow my socks off, you know?

[00:29:05] And for 1982, sure.

[00:29:07] Yeah.

[00:29:08] There was nothing like it.

[00:29:09] I can do that math.

[00:29:11] Oh, when this was made, this is dope as hell.

[00:29:14] But, yeah, the original didn't impact me in the way that I think it probably would have seen it 20, 30 years earlier.

[00:29:24] Inevitably.

[00:29:25] There's a bit of that.

[00:29:26] I mean, and I try to get inside people's minds.

[00:29:29] Maybe if I had seen it in the 80s when it came out, I might have been like, oh, that was stupid.

[00:29:35] It would have blown my head off if I saw that when I was...

[00:29:38] I don't know.

[00:29:39] I'm trying to get...

[00:29:40] Understand everyone's mindset, you know?

[00:29:42] I saw...

[00:29:42] Okay, so I saw...

[00:29:44] 2001 A Space Odyssey for the first time on a small 13-inch TV.

[00:29:50] That's true.

[00:29:51] And it still blew my mind.

[00:29:52] Yeah, that's how I saw Star Wars.

[00:29:54] I saw it, like, on a black and white, like, 13-inch TV.

[00:29:57] Yeah, I was still, like, totally mesmerized by that movie.

[00:30:01] That was just like...

[00:30:02] Right, because I knew it came out in the 60s.

[00:30:04] So I've seen special effects look that good.

[00:30:07] I knew that.

[00:30:07] I knew that.

[00:30:08] I thought it looked better than what's special effects now.

[00:30:11] But this is 30, 40 years before.

[00:30:14] I can do that math.

[00:30:17] Nice.

[00:30:18] So wait a minute.

[00:30:19] Mike, did you say you actually saw Blade Runner in the theater in 1982?

[00:30:23] Is that correct?

[00:30:24] Did I hear that correct?

[00:30:26] Yep.

[00:30:27] Yeah, I was 22.

[00:30:28] Were people throwing tomatoes?

[00:30:30] I'll do the math.

[00:30:31] I haven't heard from anyone that actually saw this movie.

[00:30:33] Yeah, I would like to hear that, too.

[00:30:35] Yeah.

[00:30:36] I was old enough, but not quite as old as my first viewing video tape.

[00:30:42] Ouch.

[00:30:42] Shots fired.

[00:30:43] Damn.

[00:30:44] Was it the 70-millimeter print that you saw?

[00:30:47] Oh, I don't think so, no.

[00:30:50] 16-millimeter?

[00:30:51] What?

[00:30:52] Yeah.

[00:30:53] Some guy's garage.

[00:30:54] No.

[00:30:54] But where was the theater you saw it in?

[00:30:57] Grand Rapids.

[00:30:58] I can't remember.

[00:30:59] It was probably Studio 28, which is no longer there.

[00:31:03] Damn it.

[00:31:04] The secrets perished with the theater.

[00:31:06] They moved over to the Beltline in town here, but anyway.

[00:31:12] But yeah, I definitely saw it in the theater.

[00:31:13] And I remember I was hanging out with a bunch of friends, and it was mixed bag who wanted

[00:31:18] to see it and who didn't.

[00:31:19] So, yeah.

[00:31:20] All right.

[00:31:21] I might have seen it a couple times.

[00:31:23] Could have been confusing, I guess, at that time.

[00:31:25] Maybe everyone wasn't used to.

[00:31:27] It is weird how you break the rules and get people interested with a new concept.

[00:31:32] It's, you know.

[00:31:32] This came out right after, like, it was Star Wars and Raiders of the Lost Ark.

[00:31:37] Right, but he's not Indiana Jones.

[00:31:39] And he's not Han Solo.

[00:31:40] Harrison Ford was only going to be Han Solo or Indiana Jones.

[00:31:42] And then going from those two films, you see a new Harrison Ford film, you're like, yes.

[00:31:47] Han Solo, he's fighting a bunch of, like, android space robots.

[00:31:51] This is going to be epic.

[00:31:53] It's going to be a lot of action.

[00:31:54] Because we're a big fan of Indiana Jones.

[00:31:56] He's a Philip Marlowe type where he's going around.

[00:31:58] He's getting beat up by, you know.

[00:32:00] I don't know, but I'm sure it was marketed poorly.

[00:32:04] I'm looking at the trailers.

[00:32:06] They don't look bad, but they don't look complete either, you know.

[00:32:08] Well, I kind of wondered how much they pushed for the advertising and stuff for that.

[00:32:13] I think it might have been that, too.

[00:32:15] They might have said, we don't know what this is.

[00:32:18] We don't get it.

[00:32:19] So we're not going to try.

[00:32:20] Just the studios.

[00:32:23] Anytime a movie doesn't do well, I always blame studio execs because they're fucking talentless

[00:32:29] and they don't know what they're doing.

[00:32:31] The trailers really want to tell you that this is a Harrison Ford movie.

[00:32:35] And this is before we got the gritty.

[00:32:37] It's like a Harrison Ford action movie.

[00:32:40] Before we got the gritty Harrison and stuff like Brickham Innocent.

[00:32:43] You know, Mosquito Coast.

[00:32:45] We don't know Harrison Ford for being in these two other movies.

[00:32:48] And so when I was going to go see this, they were expecting a bunch of Harrison Ford.

[00:32:51] Not everyone had seen the character feed.

[00:32:53] And now they're getting like this very like brodish guy.

[00:32:55] That mother fucker.

[00:32:57] I remember a friend of mine was mad because daddy beats him up at the end.

[00:33:01] He says, oh, come on.

[00:33:03] You know.

[00:33:04] That's what I've done.

[00:33:05] I'm asking if he is that he's a hero.

[00:33:07] I thought there was a character.

[00:33:09] He's played a different character.

[00:33:11] I didn't mind that.

[00:33:12] Yeah.

[00:33:13] And it's funny too because they had different casting choices.

[00:33:17] They were at one point they were going to have like Robert Mitchum and Dustin Hoffman.

[00:33:21] They were going to have Dustin Hoffman.

[00:33:22] In fact, they were like storyboards where they tried to draw.

[00:33:27] Hoffman was up for Han Solo too.

[00:33:29] Like, yeah.

[00:33:30] But if you watch the documentary Dangerous Days, they talk about where they're drawn like storyboards and they drew the storyboards to look like Dustin Hoffman because they really wanted him to be in the movie.

[00:33:45] And he decided to say, I can't do this.

[00:33:46] But I don't know if he'd be ready for that, even though he's done.

[00:33:50] Fucking Dackert.

[00:33:51] No, thank you.

[00:33:53] So what's I just pulled some information up.

[00:33:55] So for our discussion, what was out at the same time?

[00:33:59] Star Trek 2, Rathacon, Grease 2, Megaforce.

[00:34:03] E.T., Poltergeist, Firefogs.

[00:34:06] Forbidden World.

[00:34:08] The Thing and Annie.

[00:34:10] And Blade Runner came out the 25th of June.

[00:34:13] And June 4th was Rathacon.

[00:34:17] And Megaforce actually came out on the same day.

[00:34:20] There's a whole different kind of movie.

[00:34:24] I did a little Megaforce in the theater.

[00:34:26] Okay.

[00:34:27] I'm just saying I was there.

[00:34:28] I take it Mad Max 2 was probably replaying for people.

[00:34:32] Yeah.

[00:34:34] But I just want that.

[00:34:35] That's a really wonderful time to come out.

[00:34:39] And then you get slaughtered on like the beaches of Normandy.

[00:34:43] Yeah.

[00:34:44] Well, no kidding.

[00:34:45] It's kind of a movie.

[00:34:46] That's a terrible time to come out.

[00:34:48] Oh, 100%.

[00:34:50] Nations is something wildly different than what it actually is.

[00:34:54] Now, you had an off air question.

[00:34:57] Will, if the unicorn footage was from Legend.

[00:35:00] Apparently it did not.

[00:35:02] But it was the other way around.

[00:35:04] Like that was three years later.

[00:35:05] And so from Blade Runner.

[00:35:06] But you're half right.

[00:35:07] The Blade Runner footage that was left over was used for Legend.

[00:35:11] And I never put that together because I saw Legend first.

[00:35:14] Because they were part of the same company.

[00:35:15] That was the whole question I was going to ask.

[00:35:17] Ridley Scott.

[00:35:18] Ladd, right?

[00:35:19] Alan Ladd.

[00:35:19] I think so.

[00:35:20] Alan Ladd.

[00:35:20] Ridley.

[00:35:20] Because when you watch the first movie.

[00:35:24] And it pulls up.

[00:35:26] Okay.

[00:35:26] I just have to ask this because this was one of those weird things.

[00:35:28] Because when I saw the movie.

[00:35:30] Fever dreams.

[00:35:31] But it's like when the Alan Ladd thing comes up.

[00:35:35] It looks like it's on one of the screens.

[00:35:37] It has this music.

[00:35:38] And I thought as a kid.

[00:35:40] Because it's the only movie I've ever seen until much later that had the Alan Ladd Jr.

[00:35:44] Yeah.

[00:35:45] I think they were on their way out.

[00:35:46] Kind of.

[00:35:47] Yeah.

[00:35:47] Yeah.

[00:35:47] They were going bankrupt.

[00:35:48] And I thought.

[00:35:50] That syncs up.

[00:35:51] So incredible.

[00:35:53] The music.

[00:35:53] And I can't.

[00:35:54] Whenever I watch Blade Runner and I see that at the opening.

[00:35:57] There's something so organic and connective.

[00:36:00] I didn't know if anyone else had the same experience.

[00:36:02] Watching and seeing that.

[00:36:03] I think that's why I dug it.

[00:36:04] I'm like.

[00:36:05] Okay.

[00:36:05] This wasn't.

[00:36:06] When I saw it in my teens.

[00:36:09] On TV.

[00:36:10] And you know.

[00:36:11] On DVD.

[00:36:12] It was one of those where I'm like.

[00:36:14] I think it just.

[00:36:16] Much like Gattaca.

[00:36:16] It got me into that.

[00:36:17] Type of slow burn sci-fi.

[00:36:19] Before stuff like.

[00:36:21] Altered Carbon and The Expanse was a common streaming platform thing.

[00:36:24] But I was just kind of.

[00:36:26] I knew ahead of time.

[00:36:27] People like this.

[00:36:28] Because it is mysterious.

[00:36:30] There's layers to it.

[00:36:31] It's not about the effects.

[00:36:33] Don't get me wrong.

[00:36:33] The effects are good.

[00:36:34] But it's not.

[00:36:35] It's not like other movies where you're like.

[00:36:37] Oh.

[00:36:37] That's effects by digital domain.

[00:36:39] Or industrial light and magic.

[00:36:40] Different things to so many people.

[00:36:42] That's.

[00:36:43] That's the.

[00:36:44] That's why it prevails.

[00:36:46] Like.

[00:36:46] It is about the effects for some people.

[00:36:48] It is about the story for some people.

[00:36:51] And good on them.

[00:36:52] If that's what they want to see it for.

[00:36:53] That's cool.

[00:36:53] But I'm.

[00:36:54] I knew.

[00:36:55] And it's across the genres too.

[00:36:56] Yeah.

[00:36:57] I go back to what William said about the.

[00:36:59] Lad logo coming up there.

[00:37:02] When I see that lad logo coming up there.

[00:37:04] I thought of right away.

[00:37:06] Police Academy.

[00:37:07] Because they were the producers of the police academy.

[00:37:09] Yeah.

[00:37:09] All right.

[00:37:10] And that.

[00:37:10] That logo of lad.

[00:37:12] It all comes back to police academy.

[00:37:14] And it just reminds me of that.

[00:37:16] It all comes back to Steve Goodenberg.

[00:37:19] Oh.

[00:37:21] Once upon a time in America.

[00:37:23] Same.

[00:37:23] Yeah.

[00:37:24] Reddit too.

[00:37:24] Oh.

[00:37:25] Oh.

[00:37:26] And that's two years later.

[00:37:27] So.

[00:37:28] Yeah.

[00:37:28] Man.

[00:37:29] Look at you guys go.

[00:37:31] It's a digital tree.

[00:37:32] It fits in well with the whole.

[00:37:34] If anything.

[00:37:35] That should have gotten everyone ready to watch a movie with digital stuff in it.

[00:37:40] Yeah.

[00:37:40] Yeah.

[00:37:41] But you know.

[00:37:42] You got.

[00:37:42] You know.

[00:37:42] Great camera work.

[00:37:44] Great latent cinematography.

[00:37:46] Oh.

[00:37:46] Yeah.

[00:37:46] Jordan Crenenworth.

[00:37:48] You really have trouble telling what's a model versus what's a green screen.

[00:37:52] What's.

[00:37:53] Well everything was.

[00:37:54] You look forward to expanding.

[00:37:56] You feel like you're walking in the city.

[00:37:58] Everything was going to go with models.

[00:38:00] Well you know.

[00:38:01] You have the.

[00:38:02] And you know.

[00:38:03] There was no computer.

[00:38:04] I mean.

[00:38:05] I have a freaking poster.

[00:38:06] There was no computer animation going on with this.

[00:38:07] I have a freaking poster of this movie.

[00:38:10] In my freaking bedroom.

[00:38:11] That my brother gave me about five years ago.

[00:38:13] And it was so funny.

[00:38:14] Like.

[00:38:14] A friend with.

[00:38:15] A college friend of his is moving out.

[00:38:17] And he needs help.

[00:38:18] And he just sees that.

[00:38:19] And he's like.

[00:38:20] Hmm.

[00:38:21] Never seen this.

[00:38:22] Big brother.

[00:38:23] You've seen this.

[00:38:23] I know.

[00:38:24] He didn't even have to ask me.

[00:38:25] He's like.

[00:38:25] I have a feeling.

[00:38:26] This is your favorite movie.

[00:38:27] And I was like.

[00:38:27] You're fucking right at this.

[00:38:31] Oh.

[00:38:32] No.

[00:38:32] I just.

[00:38:33] I remember things like the image of the geisha girl on the building.

[00:38:36] Yeah.

[00:38:37] As they're driving.

[00:38:38] As he's floating by.

[00:38:39] What were AT&T was doing in 97.

[00:38:42] Little things.

[00:38:43] Yeah.

[00:38:44] Real world companies.

[00:38:45] Now that's it.

[00:38:46] That's a typical Tuesday in New York now.

[00:38:48] That's all this.

[00:38:49] Atari.

[00:38:50] Yeah.

[00:38:51] Atari.

[00:38:51] Yeah.

[00:38:52] They put that.

[00:38:53] They put that.

[00:38:53] They put that.

[00:38:54] They put that.

[00:38:54] They put that.

[00:38:54] They put that.

[00:39:06] So alien to you.

[00:39:08] But then you have these things.

[00:39:10] I know what that is.

[00:39:11] I know what that is.

[00:39:12] Yeah.

[00:39:12] I mean.

[00:39:13] Video phones too.

[00:39:14] Yeah.

[00:39:15] Video phones.

[00:39:16] If anything.

[00:39:16] This is an 80s version of Metropolis.

[00:39:18] Like.

[00:39:19] It is that kind of.

[00:39:20] Here's this world.

[00:39:22] Here's how these cities are designed.

[00:39:24] And.

[00:39:25] Just that first view visual.

[00:39:27] Choose.

[00:39:28] You.

[00:39:29] You buy what they're selling you.

[00:39:30] And you're ready to go.

[00:39:32] Instead of.

[00:39:32] I'm not sure what this is.

[00:39:34] Science fiction does.

[00:39:36] It.

[00:39:36] You know.

[00:39:37] It takes what you know.

[00:39:38] And it extrapolates on it.

[00:39:40] And it puts it in a.

[00:39:41] In a place that.

[00:39:42] It could be.

[00:39:43] Bingo.

[00:39:44] Instead of.

[00:39:45] We're going to write down all this stuff.

[00:39:47] And not try to make it interesting.

[00:39:49] Or compelling.

[00:39:49] Of course.

[00:39:50] It isn't science fiction.

[00:39:51] It's great.

[00:39:52] It's a fantasy.

[00:39:52] But it's in space.

[00:39:54] Yeah.

[00:39:55] Like.

[00:39:56] I mean.

[00:39:57] It's not science fiction.

[00:39:58] But this is science fiction.

[00:40:00] Yeah.

[00:40:01] Here is for.

[00:40:02] Totally.

[00:40:03] Is TDK still around?

[00:40:04] I know it's TDK.

[00:40:06] Oh.

[00:40:07] The Blade Runner curse.

[00:40:09] Oh.

[00:40:10] Oh.

[00:40:11] That's why they went out of business.

[00:40:13] That's why they went out of business.

[00:40:14] Let me see.

[00:40:14] Let me look.

[00:40:16] TDK electronics.

[00:40:18] Yeah.

[00:40:18] Because I.

[00:40:19] I remember that being in the background.

[00:40:20] In the first.

[00:40:21] Blade Runner movie.

[00:40:23] Employees of 2022.

[00:40:25] 24,000.

[00:40:26] Revenue.

[00:40:27] 1.8 billion.

[00:40:29] I think they were bought out.

[00:40:31] I think that's.

[00:40:31] It's a subsidiary of Japan based.

[00:40:34] But yeah.

[00:40:34] It was a German manufacturer.

[00:40:36] Wow.

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[00:42:00] Why is the geisha girl popping pills on the billboard all the time?

[00:42:04] What is that?

[00:42:06] Is that even an advertisement?

[00:42:07] I don't think it was pills.

[00:42:09] She's also smoking too.

[00:42:11] I thought it was a...

[00:42:12] What is the lady on the billboard?

[00:42:15] I thought she was smoking cigarettes.

[00:42:17] I thought she was...

[00:42:19] Maybe both.

[00:42:20] But I did see...

[00:42:20] I thought she was doing a cigarette ad.

[00:42:23] Well, the cigarettes in Blade Runner are French.

[00:42:25] I actually had a guy go to France and bought me some.

[00:42:28] Really?

[00:42:29] Oh, okay.

[00:42:30] And he brought him back.

[00:42:32] And so it's one of those weird things that Blade Runner have.

[00:42:36] That's another thing that added to the film noir, all that smoking.

[00:42:39] Yeah.

[00:42:43] The name of that actress is Alexis Ray.

[00:42:46] Oh.

[00:42:47] All right.

[00:42:48] And she has been...

[00:42:49] Wow.

[00:42:50] She's still working.

[00:42:51] For her?

[00:42:52] Yeah.

[00:42:53] And she's an elderly woman in Black Panther.

[00:42:55] She's been in movies like Crash and Guess What?

[00:42:59] Which one?

[00:43:00] Which Crash?

[00:43:01] The 2000s.

[00:43:02] The racial divide by Simone.

[00:43:04] Okay.

[00:43:05] That you don't like.

[00:43:07] Not the sets crash.

[00:43:09] Yeah.

[00:43:10] The movie Oreo and I love.

[00:43:12] She's guest starred on Lovecraft Country and Ray Donovan as a Korean shop owner.

[00:43:16] So there you go.

[00:43:17] Okay.

[00:43:18] You know, the blimp used to be in a bar in Dallas.

[00:43:22] What?

[00:43:23] Yeah.

[00:43:23] It was in a bar in Dallas.

[00:43:25] Guy had it.

[00:43:25] And I never going to see it.

[00:43:27] I learned about that in the 80s.

[00:43:29] In the 80s?

[00:43:32] It was referenced in...

[00:43:33] I don't know where I got that information from.

[00:43:36] But I remember reading that.

[00:43:37] It hangs in a Dallas bar.

[00:43:39] But I learned that in the 90s.

[00:43:41] So I don't know.

[00:43:43] The actual prop.

[00:43:45] Oh my goodness.

[00:43:45] According to what I remember.

[00:43:47] Well, that's easy to track though.

[00:43:49] Yeah.

[00:43:49] I'm working on that now.

[00:43:51] No.

[00:43:52] Go to Dallas, Texas on Twitter and ask them about the fucking bar.

[00:43:55] Yeah.

[00:43:55] You remember when in Dallas, Texas I'll go into the Facebook group and say whatever happened.

[00:44:00] Probably Deep Album.

[00:44:01] Or to that.

[00:44:02] Deep Album probably makes sense.

[00:44:04] I can see that.

[00:44:06] But I'll ask around.

[00:44:08] It's probably on eBay too.

[00:44:09] Okay.

[00:44:09] So I have your answer here.

[00:44:11] Thanks to Facebook.

[00:44:12] So the Japanese ad in Blade Runner.

[00:44:16] In which a geisha-like woman is swallowing a pill.

[00:44:18] The loudspeakers play a line from a Japanese no-play saying,

[00:44:21] Irahai katamuka.

[00:44:23] Meaning,

[00:44:24] The setting sun sinks down.

[00:44:27] That's what it translates to.

[00:44:29] Sleeping pill?

[00:44:33] Even better.

[00:44:34] So according to special photographics effects supervisor David Dreyer,

[00:44:38] The pills being swallowed are birth control pills.

[00:44:41] Oh my god.

[00:44:42] But I like Gil's idea better.

[00:44:44] Maybe it's melatonin she's digging.

[00:44:46] Maybe.

[00:44:47] Maybe it's a combination.

[00:44:49] But there is a lot of sex in advertising.

[00:44:51] I mean, she's dressed up as a geisha.

[00:44:52] And she's a hero.

[00:44:53] Or can you want to have a good night's sleep?

[00:44:55] Yeah.

[00:44:55] It's weird.

[00:44:59] I will say.

[00:45:01] The 2049 Blade Runner.

[00:45:03] Where the girl's on the board.

[00:45:05] Or on the whatever she's on.

[00:45:07] Joy.

[00:45:08] The extra.

[00:45:08] Yeah.

[00:45:09] Joy.

[00:45:10] The extra step they take of her hologram coming off of that building.

[00:45:14] And talking to Kay's character.

[00:45:18] Kay.

[00:45:19] You look lonely.

[00:45:20] I think that character arc of Joy and Kay are great.

[00:45:26] Because Joy is just programmed to do whatever the user wants.

[00:45:32] And through Kay, you know, she, you know, becomes human.

[00:45:36] But she actually isn't really human.

[00:45:39] She's just like a program of what Kay wants.

[00:45:42] And I found that to be just a very fascinating aspect of it.

[00:45:45] It is fascinating.

[00:45:47] It's fascinating.

[00:45:47] Like, is it?

[00:45:48] Or is she programmed?

[00:45:50] Is she learning?

[00:45:51] Is she.

[00:45:52] Is she.

[00:45:53] But.

[00:45:54] Yeah.

[00:45:55] When he.

[00:45:56] When.

[00:45:57] What is her name?

[00:45:58] Love.

[00:45:58] When she crushes the portable.

[00:46:01] And she.

[00:46:02] And Joy screams.

[00:46:03] I love you.

[00:46:04] Before they crush that.

[00:46:05] My heart shattered into a million pieces.

[00:46:07] Oh, yes.

[00:46:08] It's really sad.

[00:46:09] I was like.

[00:46:09] Jesus.

[00:46:10] This movie hits.

[00:46:11] And I was just like.

[00:46:12] I cried in that theater like a couple of times.

[00:46:14] And I was like.

[00:46:14] My heart.

[00:46:15] My heart.

[00:46:16] Broke even too.

[00:46:17] When she's like out in the rain.

[00:46:19] And.

[00:46:20] I'll do you one better.

[00:46:21] She goes through there.

[00:46:21] And then the.

[00:46:22] Oh.

[00:46:22] And then the portal happens.

[00:46:24] And I'm like.

[00:46:24] Oh, shit.

[00:46:25] I mean.

[00:46:25] You know.

[00:46:25] So you feel for this being.

[00:46:28] Right.

[00:46:28] Even though she's like.

[00:46:29] Almost like programmed.

[00:46:30] Especially when you see that line.

[00:46:32] Which goes.

[00:46:32] It feels more than programmed.

[00:46:33] You go to your great Joe.

[00:46:34] And she calls him Joe earlier in the frame.

[00:46:37] Yeah.

[00:46:37] And I just.

[00:46:39] That means.

[00:46:40] Oh.

[00:46:40] Absolutely.

[00:46:41] And Sylvia.

[00:46:42] Sylvia Hoska.

[00:46:43] Life.

[00:46:44] What is.

[00:46:45] It's so many.

[00:46:46] Questions.

[00:46:47] Like.

[00:46:47] Highbrow questions.

[00:46:49] That it's asking there.

[00:46:50] Sylvia Hoska has gone on to do good stuff.

[00:46:52] As the evil android who's trying to kill him.

[00:46:55] Love.

[00:46:55] And she's done in stuff like.

[00:46:58] The girl in the spider's web.

[00:47:00] All the devil's men.

[00:47:01] And.

[00:47:01] See with.

[00:47:03] Jason Momoa.

[00:47:04] Which also has Batista.

[00:47:05] But.

[00:47:06] Batista.

[00:47:06] This is the movie that made me go.

[00:47:08] This guy can really act.

[00:47:09] Like.

[00:47:09] He has some great lines.

[00:47:10] Have you ever seen a miracle?

[00:47:12] Yeah.

[00:47:13] Have you ever seen a miracle?

[00:47:14] You knew.

[00:47:15] I mean.

[00:47:15] Newer models are happy scrapping the shit.

[00:47:17] Because you've never seen one.

[00:47:19] Yeah.

[00:47:19] And.

[00:47:21] I love.

[00:47:22] I don't mind the dirt.

[00:47:23] I do mind unannounced visits.

[00:47:27] Was this any of yours.

[00:47:29] Yeah.

[00:47:29] I'm curious.

[00:47:30] Is this any of yours.

[00:47:30] First time seeing Alan Tamaris.

[00:47:32] In a movie.

[00:47:33] Was this one.

[00:47:33] I had seen her in Knock Knock.

[00:47:36] I was putting that slowly together.

[00:47:38] And.

[00:47:39] I just was mainly a big Dennis V fan.

[00:47:41] And I'm like.

[00:47:42] Okay.

[00:47:42] He's got this.

[00:47:43] Arrival.

[00:47:43] All these other movies.

[00:47:44] He's got this.

[00:47:45] Him and Gosling.

[00:47:46] So it's like.

[00:47:47] Vicario.

[00:47:48] I believe him.

[00:47:49] Yeah.

[00:47:50] Yeah.

[00:47:51] I believe everything.

[00:47:52] You saw it.

[00:47:53] But.

[00:47:53] I find something.

[00:47:55] Yeah.

[00:47:56] I was saying that.

[00:47:58] Joy.

[00:47:59] Is.

[00:48:00] A third.

[00:48:01] Transformation.

[00:48:01] In terms of.

[00:48:03] AI tech.

[00:48:04] It started with data.

[00:48:05] Then it was Doc.

[00:48:06] On Voyager.

[00:48:07] And then.

[00:48:08] It evolved into Joy.

[00:48:09] In 2049.

[00:48:10] I like that.

[00:48:13] It's a third.

[00:48:14] Because Deckard.

[00:48:15] And then.

[00:48:16] Godlings.

[00:48:17] And then.

[00:48:17] Her.

[00:48:17] Like you could.

[00:48:18] Maybe a Cinco.

[00:48:21] But be honest here.

[00:48:23] If there was a device there.

[00:48:25] They could.

[00:48:26] You could have a hologram.

[00:48:27] On Tamaris.

[00:48:28] We would all get one right away.

[00:48:29] Before you finish.

[00:48:30] I wouldn't.

[00:48:31] You wouldn't get one.

[00:48:32] Having a hologram.

[00:48:35] Raquel Welch for me.

[00:48:36] I like Raquel Welch.

[00:48:37] That's real game.

[00:48:38] That's real game.

[00:48:38] Fairly.

[00:48:39] In her.

[00:48:40] In her.

[00:48:40] Beloved me.

[00:48:41] I would never leave my apartment.

[00:48:43] Yeah.

[00:48:44] In her million years BC outfit.

[00:48:46] Yeah.

[00:48:47] I would worry about a video game.

[00:48:49] First of all.

[00:48:50] But I would still rather an actual girlfriend.

[00:48:52] Just saying.

[00:48:52] You know.

[00:48:53] That's fair.

[00:48:53] Doesn't the new Google.

[00:48:54] But.

[00:48:55] Doggles.

[00:48:56] Don't they have a.

[00:48:56] Because the guy Burback.

[00:48:58] That does all the videos on YouTube.

[00:49:00] He did one.

[00:49:01] And he had like a virtual.

[00:49:02] Person he interacted with.

[00:49:03] And he used like imagery from Blade Runner.

[00:49:06] I was like.

[00:49:07] Dude.

[00:49:07] That's deep.

[00:49:08] And then when I saw the technology.

[00:49:10] Eddie Burback's video on the Google.

[00:49:12] I mean on the.

[00:49:12] The Apple.

[00:49:14] On the Google.

[00:49:15] Oh.

[00:49:16] Yeah.

[00:49:16] I keep calling it Google.

[00:49:17] I apologize.

[00:49:17] It's the first thing that comes up.

[00:49:19] Eddie Burback.

[00:49:20] I know.

[00:49:20] Yeah.

[00:49:22] Nice.

[00:49:22] I'm one of those people that likes.

[00:49:23] I like.

[00:49:24] I like his videos.

[00:49:25] But anyway.

[00:49:25] He did that thing.

[00:49:26] And it had like a virtual.

[00:49:27] Like.

[00:49:28] Person he was interacting with.

[00:49:30] And I thought.

[00:49:31] Oh my God.

[00:49:32] This is like joy.

[00:49:32] Joy we're close.

[00:49:34] We're getting.

[00:49:35] Now with the like.

[00:49:36] You know.

[00:49:36] There's like.

[00:49:37] I forgot.

[00:49:38] There's a special table.

[00:49:39] Like robot doll.

[00:49:40] That's out there now.

[00:49:41] Where it was for human.

[00:49:44] There's.

[00:49:45] There.

[00:49:46] Yeah.

[00:49:47] There's a lot there.

[00:49:49] I'm not touching.

[00:49:50] Well.

[00:49:50] You know.

[00:49:51] I was just thinking too.

[00:49:52] You know.

[00:49:52] When Joy had to interact with that.

[00:49:54] Prostitute.

[00:49:55] Or whatever she was.

[00:49:56] She has to interact with that.

[00:49:58] She has to use her.

[00:49:59] To have physical contact with.

[00:50:01] With Kay.

[00:50:02] But then.

[00:50:03] When she was done.

[00:50:04] She's like.

[00:50:04] Like the holodeck.

[00:50:06] But when she was done.

[00:50:07] She was like.

[00:50:08] She told that prostitute.

[00:50:09] You can leave now.

[00:50:10] Yeah.

[00:50:10] You can leave now.

[00:50:11] Yeah.

[00:50:11] As well.

[00:50:13] That's as close as the movie.

[00:50:14] Came to a Charlie Sheen.

[00:50:15] You.

[00:50:16] You never tell.

[00:50:18] I'm sorry.

[00:50:19] There's so much going on.

[00:50:20] In that scene.

[00:50:22] Yeah.

[00:50:22] When you're done with a prostitute.

[00:50:23] You have them go.

[00:50:24] You don't want prostitutes to stay.

[00:50:26] Especially if you're a cop.

[00:50:27] Yeah.

[00:50:28] No matter if.

[00:50:29] I'm not a crook.

[00:50:30] With your holographic girlfriend.

[00:50:32] Or not.

[00:50:33] All right.

[00:50:34] You know.

[00:50:34] He also.

[00:50:35] You speak from experience.

[00:50:37] No.

[00:50:39] With.

[00:50:40] Yes.

[00:50:40] With my holographic girlfriend.

[00:50:41] The better question is.

[00:50:42] Do you want an answer to that question.

[00:50:43] Anyway.

[00:50:44] With.

[00:50:45] When I have my holographic girlfriend.

[00:50:47] And meet her.

[00:50:48] When I like.

[00:50:49] Get freaky.

[00:50:49] All right.

[00:50:50] We gotta call a special hotline.

[00:50:52] All right.

[00:50:53] We go to like.

[00:50:54] Our.

[00:50:55] You know.

[00:50:55] Back pages.

[00:50:56] And find.

[00:50:57] Prostitutes that know how to deal with holographic girlfriends.

[00:51:00] Which is not easy to do.

[00:51:01] All right.

[00:51:01] You would think it'd be easy to do.

[00:51:03] But no.

[00:51:03] All right.

[00:51:04] All right.

[00:51:04] All those prostitutes.

[00:51:06] They do not know how to like.

[00:51:07] Coordinate well with my.

[00:51:08] I think we're off topic here.

[00:51:11] How much did you hate exactly?

[00:51:13] There's a reason we say it's explicit rating.

[00:51:15] Mackenzie Davis.

[00:51:16] That's her.

[00:51:17] I kept.

[00:51:17] I remember her from.

[00:51:18] And then she became a Terminator.

[00:51:20] She was.

[00:51:21] Oh.

[00:51:22] I knew you were going to hate me for saying that.

[00:51:24] Oh no.

[00:51:24] Oh my God.

[00:51:25] I like that Terminator movie.

[00:51:27] I know.

[00:51:28] Which one was that?

[00:51:29] We already fought this fight a couple of months ago.

[00:51:31] I know.

[00:51:32] I know.

[00:51:34] That's good.

[00:51:35] That's a good movie.

[00:51:38] I don't care who thinks.

[00:51:39] Okay.

[00:51:40] You did mention a good point.

[00:51:42] How the.

[00:51:43] The visual style of this has been imitated.

[00:51:45] Not only in Total Recall.

[00:51:46] But also Highlander 2.

[00:51:47] And a Madonna music video.

[00:51:48] And the Madonna video.

[00:51:50] I remember.

[00:51:50] I remember watching a Madonna video.

[00:51:51] When it came out.

[00:51:52] And they're like.

[00:51:52] Oh it looks like Blitter.

[00:51:53] I'm like.

[00:51:53] Well here I am.

[00:51:55] Which was that?

[00:51:57] Especially.

[00:51:58] The one where she torts.

[00:51:59] I'm singing it.

[00:52:00] In my head right now.

[00:52:03] Madonna music video.

[00:52:06] It's from like 89.

[00:52:07] It was before Vogue.

[00:52:09] Expressing.

[00:52:11] It was on the same part.

[00:52:12] Yes.

[00:52:12] Well of course.

[00:52:13] It's very Blade Runner.

[00:52:14] Someone talented.

[00:52:14] She was expressing herself.

[00:52:16] You got to make it.

[00:52:18] Express yourself.

[00:52:20] Hey.

[00:52:20] Hey.

[00:52:21] Hey.

[00:52:22] And if you want it right now.

[00:52:24] Make him show you how.

[00:52:25] Express what you got.

[00:52:27] Yeah.

[00:52:27] Copy.

[00:52:28] In Brazil.

[00:52:29] Brazil.

[00:52:30] I'm so large.

[00:52:32] Locked in Canada.

[00:52:34] Damn it.

[00:52:35] I don't know about Blade Runner.

[00:52:37] I got more of like.

[00:52:38] Well Metropolis.

[00:52:39] Yeah.

[00:52:40] Definitely more Metropolis.

[00:52:41] Now.

[00:52:42] I learned about Metropolis from Radio Gaga.

[00:52:45] By Queen.

[00:52:45] The Bazaar.

[00:52:47] Yep.

[00:52:47] Queen is definitely.

[00:52:49] Metropolis.

[00:52:50] Which scored Highlander.

[00:52:51] So it all comes back to Highlander.

[00:52:53] Or Queen.

[00:52:53] Or Madonna.

[00:52:54] Oh.

[00:52:56] Wow.

[00:52:56] Josh.

[00:52:57] Yeah.

[00:52:58] He's one of the chats.

[00:52:59] That's the link.

[00:53:00] To our RoboCop remake.

[00:53:02] Right.

[00:53:03] And Whittles are.

[00:53:04] I need.

[00:53:05] You'll laugh at that for a dollar.

[00:53:07] Hit.

[00:53:09] Oh fuck yeah.

[00:53:10] I'm doing that right now.

[00:53:13] I'm doing that right now.

[00:53:14] Does anyone think that's the Sulonko.

[00:53:17] Near the wall.

[00:53:19] When they're leaving.

[00:53:21] He and Joy are going out to San Diego.

[00:53:23] And there's a ship that comes through the mist.

[00:53:25] And it looks like the Sulonko.

[00:53:27] What's the Sulonko?

[00:53:29] Where did you go from?

[00:53:29] From.

[00:53:30] From Aliens.

[00:53:31] Oh.

[00:53:32] It's the ship that they could take to LV-426.

[00:53:35] Oh I.

[00:53:35] In Recall or Blade Runner.

[00:53:37] Sorry.

[00:53:38] Blade Runner.

[00:53:38] Blade Runner.

[00:53:38] I've always.

[00:53:39] Aliens is the only movie I've seen more than Blade Runner.

[00:53:42] I love.

[00:53:42] I mean.

[00:53:44] Even if it was or wasn't intended.

[00:53:46] I'm sure they had effects guys who worked on all of them.

[00:53:49] Working on it.

[00:53:49] I just wondered if anyone thinks.

[00:53:51] Because the fan theory.

[00:53:52] It's a joke.

[00:53:53] You know.

[00:53:53] It's a little nod.

[00:53:54] But I often wondered.

[00:53:56] Do people.

[00:53:57] You know.

[00:53:58] I just wanted people that have seen it.

[00:54:00] Like do you think.

[00:54:00] Well it would be more interesting to know.

[00:54:02] If the time frame.

[00:54:03] For when these movies are supposed to be taking place.

[00:54:05] Kind of sync up.

[00:54:06] Aliens is in 2179.

[00:54:08] Right.

[00:54:09] When it's a total recall set.

[00:54:11] The Conestoga class was in 2150s.

[00:54:14] That's when.

[00:54:16] Blade Runner is set in 2084.

[00:54:19] And Johnny Mnemonic set in 2021.

[00:54:21] 21.

[00:54:22] They really.

[00:54:24] Yeah.

[00:54:24] Yeah.

[00:54:25] They really.

[00:54:25] Kind of.

[00:54:26] Attached them together.

[00:54:27] Like there's.

[00:54:28] I mean.

[00:54:29] With the.

[00:54:29] Prometheus.

[00:54:30] Yeah.

[00:54:30] He basically.

[00:54:31] I mean.

[00:54:32] For that.

[00:54:33] I mean.

[00:54:34] He had ideas.

[00:54:35] And I mean.

[00:54:36] Total recall.

[00:54:37] Well.

[00:54:37] You can kind of.

[00:54:38] Build on it a bit.

[00:54:39] Yeah.

[00:54:41] Hyperdive models.

[00:54:42] Were always a little.

[00:54:42] There's mentions of the Tyrells.

[00:54:45] And like the.

[00:54:46] The.

[00:54:46] The.

[00:54:47] The.

[00:54:47] The.

[00:54:47] The.

[00:54:48] The city of angels.

[00:54:48] And all that.

[00:54:49] Shit.

[00:54:50] They.

[00:54:51] They.

[00:54:51] They talk.

[00:54:51] They talk about.

[00:54:52] Jordan Tyrell.

[00:54:53] And Thelma and Louise.

[00:54:55] That sounds a blip.

[00:54:57] I know.

[00:54:57] There you go.

[00:54:59] I'm pretty sure.

[00:55:00] Ridley Scott.

[00:55:01] Sounds Easterhead.

[00:55:02] And there's that sequence too.

[00:55:03] Where like Louise is dreaming about a unicorn.

[00:55:05] Before they.

[00:55:07] Didn't involve a Brad Pitt's character.

[00:55:09] And then.

[00:55:10] You know.

[00:55:10] There's like a scene where.

[00:55:11] I think.

[00:55:12] So is Brad Pitt the pleasure model in that movie?

[00:55:15] Maybe.

[00:55:20] I noticed something too.

[00:55:22] Roy Batty's first appearance.

[00:55:24] In Blade Runner.

[00:55:25] You've got this wicked grin.

[00:55:27] It's very reminiscent of Kubrick's.

[00:55:30] His little types of grin.

[00:55:32] And that goes back to them using the shining footage.

[00:55:35] Jack Nicholson and the guy in.

[00:55:38] True references to the shining.

[00:55:40] Jacket.

[00:55:41] Clockwork Orange.

[00:55:42] There's always a wicked.

[00:55:42] Mark McGill.

[00:55:43] Evil grin.

[00:55:44] And it's very reminiscent.

[00:55:45] I don't know if that was intentional or not.

[00:55:48] Or it's just.

[00:55:48] Their power.

[00:55:49] You know.

[00:55:49] I mean.

[00:55:52] That's awesome.

[00:55:54] Well because.

[00:55:55] I mean.

[00:55:57] No.

[00:55:57] They're not shooting that on the same soundstage.

[00:55:59] But.

[00:55:59] I do know that.

[00:56:01] William was earlier.

[00:56:02] That they're using the.

[00:56:04] Footage.

[00:56:05] From the shining.

[00:56:06] For the theatrical ending.

[00:56:08] The happy ending.

[00:56:09] Yeah.

[00:56:09] The happy ending.

[00:56:09] The happy ending.

[00:56:10] The happy ending.

[00:56:10] The happy ending.

[00:56:11] Oh okay.

[00:56:11] So it doesn't feel like.

[00:56:13] Like you're seeing.

[00:56:14] Two movies in one.

[00:56:15] It's like.

[00:56:15] You're using.

[00:56:16] Deleted scenes.

[00:56:17] To tell the story.

[00:56:18] For this movie.

[00:56:18] That's already good.

[00:56:19] Yeah.

[00:56:20] All the.

[00:56:20] All the B-roll footage.

[00:56:21] That Stanley Kubrick.

[00:56:22] Is like.

[00:56:22] Yeah.

[00:56:22] You can have that.

[00:56:23] I'm not.

[00:56:23] It's not.

[00:56:24] Has anything to do with my movie.

[00:56:25] Please.

[00:56:25] Feel free.

[00:56:25] You know.

[00:56:26] Stanley Kubrick.

[00:56:27] Basically filmed everything.

[00:56:28] So you know.

[00:56:28] He's got B-footage for years.

[00:56:30] Nine takes.

[00:56:31] For every fucking scene.

[00:56:32] That is ridiculous.

[00:56:34] That scene where Tom Cruise.

[00:56:35] Is hitting an eyes wide shut.

[00:56:36] How many times.

[00:56:36] Did he film that?

[00:56:38] Going down the street.

[00:56:39] I'm afraid to ask.

[00:56:41] God.

[00:56:42] I hate to ask.

[00:56:43] You're used to running.

[00:56:45] He was a dickhead.

[00:56:46] My wife brought something up.

[00:56:47] Before I came in.

[00:56:49] For the podcast thing.

[00:56:52] Does anybody know about.

[00:56:53] The Blade Runner miniseries.

[00:56:54] That's in the works.

[00:56:55] Yes we do.

[00:56:56] 2099.

[00:56:58] I can't wait.

[00:56:59] Now.

[00:56:59] Amazon right?

[00:56:59] Amazon's.

[00:57:00] Yes.

[00:57:01] Yeah.

[00:57:02] Yeah.

[00:57:02] Max wasn't picking it up.

[00:57:03] Netflix wasn't picking it up.

[00:57:05] So yeah.

[00:57:05] They.

[00:57:05] Amazon is pretty much.

[00:57:07] They're paying attention.

[00:57:09] They.

[00:57:09] They know people want.

[00:57:11] Hard-boiled.

[00:57:12] Horror anthologies.

[00:57:14] You know.

[00:57:16] Addicting mystery.

[00:57:17] And they're tapping into the sci-fi thing now.

[00:57:19] With.

[00:57:19] Converting superheroes.

[00:57:21] Here's a thing too.

[00:57:22] Yes.

[00:57:22] What do you have those?

[00:57:24] I understand.

[00:57:26] That everybody wants to have miniseries.

[00:57:28] But I really want.

[00:57:29] A Blade Runner movie.

[00:57:30] On the bit screen.

[00:57:32] Blade Runner looks great.

[00:57:33] On the bit screen.

[00:57:34] It has been on the bit screen.

[00:57:35] And.

[00:57:35] I got to see.

[00:57:36] Blade Runner on the bit screen.

[00:57:38] And it was glorious.

[00:57:39] And I got to see.

[00:57:39] Blade Runner 2049.

[00:57:41] On a bit screen.

[00:57:41] And it was glorious.

[00:57:42] I'm not saying that there can't be.

[00:57:44] A series.

[00:57:45] But.

[00:57:45] No.

[00:57:45] I know what you mean.

[00:57:46] It's.

[00:57:48] It merits.

[00:57:49] Seeing on the screen.

[00:57:50] Yes.

[00:57:51] Big screen is definitely worthwhile.

[00:57:52] But I have a 75 inch TV.

[00:57:54] So I could be happy with that.

[00:57:55] I do have a good theater system.

[00:57:57] But I think you guys are both right.

[00:57:58] We.

[00:57:59] We need to get back to the point.

[00:58:00] Where it's like.

[00:58:01] Instead of.

[00:58:02] We're going to the cinema.

[00:58:03] Just to review.

[00:58:03] Or.

[00:58:04] Because we got friends in town.

[00:58:06] We.

[00:58:06] We do need to get back into that.

[00:58:08] Just of.

[00:58:09] Friends.

[00:58:09] What is those?

[00:58:12] Yeah.

[00:58:12] There's definitely not many friends.

[00:58:14] Of.

[00:58:14] People.

[00:58:15] In Blade Runner.

[00:58:15] But.

[00:58:16] I am curious.

[00:58:17] If like.

[00:58:18] Yeah.

[00:58:19] There might be.

[00:58:20] You know.

[00:58:21] A big.

[00:58:22] Colt following.

[00:58:23] Of Blade Runner.

[00:58:24] To inherit a TV show.

[00:58:26] I.

[00:58:27] I don't know.

[00:58:27] Because the.

[00:58:29] Both theater movies were so bad.

[00:58:31] The box office.

[00:58:31] That maybe this is what they're doing now.

[00:58:33] Because.

[00:58:34] The box office.

[00:58:35] They know it's still there.

[00:58:36] Yeah.

[00:58:36] I think that's.

[00:58:37] Right.

[00:58:38] Modern.

[00:58:39] TV.

[00:58:39] Probably wait for them to do.

[00:58:40] Like a TV series like this.

[00:58:41] I get it.

[00:58:42] Oh it's a mini series.

[00:58:44] Wow.

[00:58:44] Okay.

[00:58:45] And.

[00:58:46] It doesn't show who the showrunner is.

[00:58:48] But I know Michelle Yeo's.

[00:58:49] Attached to.

[00:58:50] Let's get Ronald D.

[00:58:51] Moore in there.

[00:58:52] Come on.

[00:58:53] Ronald D.

[00:58:53] Moore.

[00:58:53] He can do it.

[00:58:54] He did Outlander for God's sakes.

[00:58:56] And he did a great job.

[00:58:57] He did freaking Outlander.

[00:58:58] Yeah.

[00:58:59] I love that show.

[00:59:00] That was a good show.

[00:59:01] I haven't still checked that out yet.

[00:59:02] I think.

[00:59:02] I think you're going to dig it.

[00:59:04] And.

[00:59:04] Watch it in your series.

[00:59:06] Oh.

[00:59:06] If you've got kids at home.

[00:59:07] Do not watch it in some of them.

[00:59:08] Yes.

[00:59:09] I warn people about that.

[00:59:10] But before we get to the next one.

[00:59:12] Blade Runner 2099 has got Hunter Schaefer.

[00:59:15] And I saw her in Euphoria.

[00:59:17] I binge both season of Euphoria.

[00:59:19] That's who that gal's from.

[00:59:21] Yes.

[00:59:21] She's also in Kinds of Kindness.

[00:59:24] So I'm.

[00:59:25] I'm sold.

[00:59:26] Hunter Schaefer's in this.

[00:59:27] And you got Michelle Yeo.

[00:59:28] I'm sold on this right away.

[00:59:31] There you go.

[00:59:31] It might have a similar cinematography.

[00:59:33] Or atmosphere.

[00:59:34] Oh.

[00:59:35] I would.

[00:59:35] Have Yorgos Lanthimos.

[00:59:37] Drats episodes.

[00:59:38] Of Blade Runner 2099.

[00:59:40] I don't know.

[00:59:41] It'll be that morbid.

[00:59:42] I want to have Yorgos Lanthimos.

[00:59:44] All right.

[00:59:44] I want to have him.

[00:59:46] And Harmony Korin.

[00:59:47] And Desper Maria.

[00:59:48] Oh man.

[00:59:49] Oh.

[00:59:49] Yeah.

[00:59:50] Let's get the girls.

[00:59:52] Really going to be.

[00:59:53] Not so funny.

[00:59:53] Let's get the girls who made Titan.

[00:59:55] To do Blade Runner 2099.

[00:59:57] All right.

[00:59:57] I might give her a chance.

[00:59:58] I hope.

[00:59:59] Bring her in for that.

[01:00:00] All right.

[01:00:02] Cybernet Cars.

[01:00:03] as fucking other people there.

[01:00:05] The cybernetic organism.

[01:00:06] Yeah.

[01:00:07] Glorious.

[01:00:09] I mean, yeah, to you guys' point,

[01:00:12] I mean, it's basically existing on the small screen.

[01:00:14] The anime was, I mean, had some fanfare

[01:00:17] even though it was just one year.

[01:00:19] I should watch that, The Black Lotus.

[01:00:21] They keep taking everything down.

[01:00:24] That's the other thing, too.

[01:00:25] Is it?

[01:00:26] So what was The Black Lotus?

[01:00:28] It's on Crunchyroll.

[01:00:29] It was on Adult Swim when I watched it.

[01:00:30] Right, right.

[01:00:30] It was a Crunchyroll co-production.

[01:00:33] So if you subscribe to that for the site or through Amazon,

[01:00:36] you can get it.

[01:00:37] It's not a Max because it's a Warner Brothers production, right?

[01:00:39] Because the Max guy has been killing everything

[01:00:42] and taking it down, which is stupid.

[01:00:44] You know, it's just like, dude, let it breathe.

[01:00:47] You know, people want to see stuff in your vault.

[01:00:49] Is there a physical media release for Black Lotus?

[01:00:53] That was.

[01:00:55] Let me look.

[01:00:55] I would think there would happen.

[01:00:56] How long ago?

[01:00:57] You'd be surprised what doesn't get released.

[01:01:01] I saw the vinyl soundtrack on sale when I was at Cheap Bowls,

[01:01:05] where I live.

[01:01:06] They had the vinyl soundtrack for Black Lotus.

[01:01:07] So I wasn't sure if they had that.

[01:01:10] There's some Blu-rays, but they look kind of leg-ish.

[01:01:19] Yeah.

[01:01:20] I only see the soundtrack for sale.

[01:01:22] Okay.

[01:01:24] Okay.

[01:01:25] It's on iTunes or Vudu if you want to buy it.

[01:01:28] Oh, okay.

[01:01:28] So there you go.

[01:01:31] I knew you were going to say that.

[01:01:33] Go to TinyZone or 123Vudu.

[01:01:36] It had a fun cast.

[01:01:37] It had Josh Dehamel, Woo Yun-Li, and Brian Cox as the police chief.

[01:01:43] Especially, it was basically like Girl with the Dragon tattoo

[01:01:46] where they're trying to figure out what the Black Lotus tattoo.

[01:01:48] Wasn't Brian in Charmed?

[01:01:50] No.

[01:01:51] The original John.

[01:01:52] No.

[01:01:54] Nope, nope, and no.

[01:01:56] Which one was that?

[01:01:58] I don't know.

[01:01:59] Who's looking shit up?

[01:02:01] Brian Cox was the original Hannibal Lecter in May of the Dream.

[01:02:04] Yes, that's right.

[01:02:06] Brian actor.

[01:02:07] Which for a long time was my favorite movie.

[01:02:09] Brian Krause is who you're thinking of.

[01:02:11] How did we get to stop?

[01:02:15] That's who I saw in my head.

[01:02:17] That's his name.

[01:02:18] We're close.

[01:02:20] No.

[01:02:21] No.

[01:02:21] Sort of in the fucking sea.

[01:02:25] He confuses so many actors in a similar name.

[01:02:28] Oh my God, are we already done?

[01:02:30] Holy shit.

[01:02:31] We've gone for the movie.

[01:02:33] Mike has gone for the entire fucking movie.

[01:02:38] I love the enhanced 2241-126 scene with the photo where he zooms in.

[01:02:45] That is such a cool scene.

[01:02:47] Especially in 1982 when computers were just starting to come into vogue.

[01:02:51] That's just really his delivery of the line and the way they go about it.

[01:02:56] It's just a great scene.

[01:02:59] The computer is scanning it in.

[01:03:02] And they do it with a grid.

[01:03:03] Yeah.

[01:03:04] It's very cool.

[01:03:05] Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.

[01:03:06] Yeah.

[01:03:06] The next few years when they did a computer where it was like, here's the internet.

[01:03:11] It was always just fucking stupid.

[01:03:14] It seemed like, okay, that could actually be a computer.

[01:03:19] Yeah.

[01:03:19] It holds up.

[01:03:20] The other thing is, and it just occurred to me yesterday, and I was watching the credits.

[01:03:24] It's, um, I've known since the movie came out, it's based on, do androids dream of electric sheep?

[01:03:32] Yes.

[01:03:33] It hit me.

[01:03:34] You don't dream of sheep.

[01:03:36] You count sheep to go to sleep.

[01:03:39] There's the only plot hole we found.

[01:03:41] Yeah.

[01:03:42] I've been waiting for it.

[01:03:43] All these years had just occurred to me.

[01:03:45] No, wait a minute.

[01:03:46] You count sheep.

[01:03:46] We got to find one flaw in every good movie.

[01:03:49] I was noticing something with 2049.

[01:03:52] Um, I was trying to figure out what the comparison was like, what was their photo, you know, in Blade Runner when he's doing the photograph, he's trying to do enhance and, and moving in on the picture.

[01:04:02] And what was something comparable in 2049?

[01:04:05] And there's a scene where he's, he's a replicant.

[01:04:08] He's looking at, uh, like, looks like microfiche to me.

[01:04:13] Yeah.

[01:04:14] That like all these numbers.

[01:04:16] Yeah.

[01:04:16] Yeah.

[01:04:17] I noticed that too.

[01:04:17] And that to me was felt like it was like that photograph moment, the first Blade Runner.

[01:04:23] And he said, yeah, stop and move.

[01:04:25] Yeah.

[01:04:26] Right.

[01:04:26] Same kind of body language.

[01:04:28] And he does a great line.

[01:04:29] You know, half is, half is long, but twice as elegant.

[01:04:33] Yeah.

[01:04:35] What a beautiful line.

[01:04:36] That's poetry.

[01:04:37] That is poetry right there.

[01:04:39] Cinematic poetry.

[01:04:39] I mentioned one for thing too.

[01:04:41] Uh, so I brought up my laser disco, The Fifth Element.

[01:04:44] Oh, great.

[01:04:45] That is definitely Blade Runner inspired.

[01:04:47] Yeah.

[01:04:48] Yeah.

[01:04:48] This is a, uh, Fifth Element is Blade Runner, but in the daytime.

[01:04:53] Yeah.

[01:04:54] It was based off of Mobius though, wasn't it?

[01:04:56] Yeah.

[01:04:56] Yeah.

[01:04:57] And I've been fortunate enough to actually read some of those comics that inspired that

[01:05:00] and some of the other Besson, you know, Valerian stuff.

[01:05:03] What's the other one?

[01:05:04] Valerian.

[01:05:04] Valerian.

[01:05:05] Valerian.

[01:05:06] Yeah.

[01:05:06] Yeah.

[01:05:06] Yeah.

[01:05:07] But yeah, I remember, um, that scene is brilliant.

[01:05:12] The bones too also might be a little illusion.

[01:05:14] They're going in with the bones with Coco and the other Blade Runner.

[01:05:19] They're zooming in.

[01:05:20] That also might be a thing.

[01:05:21] That's, that's the subtle thing about this movie.

[01:05:24] There was so much, the technology is so interesting because there's no smartphones or anything.

[01:05:30] And I read an article about how they went about the design and how the communication there's

[01:05:35] no, it's not supposed to be a world like ours.

[01:05:36] It's like a different take.

[01:05:38] And they kind of talked about the technology.

[01:05:40] And I was so overcome just the little decisions that were made in this movie and how rich it

[01:05:46] was.

[01:05:49] Yeah.

[01:05:51] That's what science fiction is.

[01:05:53] Like that's real fucking science fiction.

[01:05:55] Yeah, exactly.

[01:05:58] Real science fiction.

[01:06:00] And Blade Runner and Total Recall both illustrate the want.

[01:06:04] Although it's just funny how they do it.

[01:06:06] You know, Blade Runner is the character still trying to figure out what makes him tick while

[01:06:11] he's solving an unusual set of android murders.

[01:06:14] Or like world building and character.

[01:06:16] While Quaid has to overcome lies before realizing it doesn't really matter.

[01:06:21] I accept my fate.

[01:06:22] That's a real fucking point that's very clear that it's making while Total, while Blade Runner

[01:06:28] Recall's about helping out Freedom Fighters.

[01:06:31] Talking about a lot more things than Total Recall is.

[01:06:36] Yeah.

[01:06:36] I mean, Recall is very well done popcorn mixed in with some deep shit in between and satire.

[01:06:42] And then Blade Runner is more.

[01:06:44] They're going to pull it in their own right.

[01:06:45] Right.

[01:06:46] No, it's just two different beasts, but similar technology.

[01:06:50] It's a special kind of cake with a bunch of truffles and other tastes that...

[01:06:54] Well, it's kind of like the way I said with Battlestar Galactica.

[01:06:57] It's sort of like it's the future, but it's more analog.

[01:07:01] Yes.

[01:07:02] And they have a real for it being such.

[01:07:06] It's not just...

[01:07:08] We just are.

[01:07:10] They put all kinds of care.

[01:07:11] Everything matters from your fence to the pool to all other parts of your house that you're looking at.

[01:07:17] That's what they're designing, a beautiful looking house with all kinds of care.

[01:07:22] Well, you know, and then you have that analog type technology.

[01:07:24] Then you got the holograms.

[01:07:26] Yes.

[01:07:27] Aw.

[01:07:28] Oh.

[01:07:29] I just got the kitty.

[01:07:30] Is this a replicant cut?

[01:07:31] What?

[01:07:32] Yeah.

[01:07:33] Wow.

[01:07:34] That's great.

[01:07:35] Aw.

[01:07:35] I want more.

[01:07:37] I want more.

[01:07:37] That's funny.

[01:07:38] My cat just came in.

[01:07:39] Our cats look the same.

[01:07:40] My cat came in because she doesn't like the door shut.

[01:07:42] So if I put my cat in there like that, I might get scratched.

[01:07:45] When I come down to Des Moines, we're having a cat party.

[01:07:49] Oh, nice.

[01:07:51] There's a lot of new somewhere.

[01:07:52] I got a new car, Vern.

[01:07:53] So I swear, I'm going to drive to one of these expos and meet you guys there.

[01:07:57] Okay.

[01:07:57] Sweet.

[01:07:58] I love that.

[01:07:58] All right.

[01:07:59] Who else is in Des Moines?

[01:08:01] Family friends.

[01:08:02] I can get to Des Moines because Des Moines is close to Minnesota where I live.

[01:08:06] I'm in Des Moines right now.

[01:08:08] Well, okay.

[01:08:09] Look at you, Josh.

[01:08:11] What are you doing?

[01:08:11] I can't get to Des Moines right now at the moment, but I'm sure there are buses that I

[01:08:16] can get to Des Moines.

[01:08:17] When April rolls around, let's see.

[01:08:18] Let's see.

[01:08:20] Oh.

[01:08:20] And if not, there's 50 more years.

[01:08:24] I got excited.

[01:08:25] I didn't think anyone would ever.

[01:08:29] I've not been to Iowa in a long time.

[01:08:31] What's the cat's name?

[01:08:32] I hadn't either until now.

[01:08:34] What's the gato's name?

[01:08:37] My cat?

[01:08:38] Yes.

[01:08:39] Fran.

[01:08:39] I'm sorry.

[01:08:40] Fran.

[01:08:41] Yeah.

[01:08:42] After Fran Drescher?

[01:08:43] That's a good name for a cat.

[01:08:45] My wife and I, we go by Lou and Fran, our cat's names.

[01:08:48] Oh, Lou and Fran.

[01:08:49] Yeah.

[01:08:50] Lou's the other one.

[01:08:51] Oh, yeah.

[01:08:51] Yeah.

[01:08:51] Gotcha.

[01:08:52] Lou Diamond Phillips and Fran Drescher.

[01:08:53] I have two cats, Kirby and Shadow.

[01:08:56] I bet you can figure out which one I named.

[01:08:59] Kirby?

[01:09:00] Yeah.

[01:09:01] Does he bounce around like the video game character?

[01:09:03] Does he fly?

[01:09:04] No, I'm thinking Kirby.

[01:09:05] Oh, I keep forgetting it's Jack Kirby in the comment box.

[01:09:08] See?

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