Crime Week II: Chow Yun-Fat Hong Kong Movie Series RICH AND FAMOUS Review (with The DTV Digest's Mike Parkin)

[00:00:30] Good. Surely good. Once again, we got another member of the Directive Video Digest. We got

[00:00:54] the one, the only Mike Parkin. Good evening. Glad to be here, Sam. Yeah, I love it. You just pulled a hitchcock.

[00:01:00] Come. Good evening. Yeah. Oh man. Absolutely. We were pretty much just thinking, Hey, what are some obscure kind of just movie TV show

[00:01:13] franchises we can discuss? You know, because everyone likes to, every other podcast seems to want to just talk about only recent stuff

[00:01:19] or stuff that's been talked about to accommodate a recent streaming or Blu-ray thing. Like, no, let's just, let's, let's get into

[00:01:28] something that's like, it's kind of a thing, but like some of these more or less talked about, you know, Brazil or Swedish type franchises,

[00:01:37] you know, it's like, this is going to be fun because it's, you know, action crime drama and it's all kind of word of mouth. Obviously,

[00:01:51] they've had a wonderful, I just did some research before we even got started. Eureka company released them on a Blu-ray

[00:01:58] two pack. You can only get it if you got a region free player, but even had an interview apparently with the, you know, an Asian film expert

[00:02:09] as from New York, as well as Simon Broad, who's the voice of Chaoyang Fatt for the English film, like, see that's a cool thing and a collector's

[00:02:18] look that this franchise, you know, comes on the heels of John Woo's, you know, a Better Tomorrow series and much like that is very heavily inspired

[00:02:29] by the Godfather and Once Upon a Time in America. And it follows two brothers played by Alex Mann and Andy Lau in very early

[00:02:43] roles as violent criminals who crossed paths with a charismatic gangster portrayed by Chaoyang Fatt. Once again, this was around the same time he did

[00:02:53] City on Fire, which is best known as the undercover heist movie.

[00:02:58] Yeah, that's how you know, literally borrowed from

[00:03:01] Yeah, word for word and reservoir dogs.

[00:03:04] And in this giant film, essentially,

[00:03:09] they rise through the ranks in the first film Rich and Famous. And then in the action packed secondary film, tragic hero, which came out the same year.

[00:03:19] All three characters have changed. And one of the brothers is now a violent triad leader seeking revenge that also features Danny Lee who would reunite with Chaoyang Fatt two years later for the killer.

[00:03:32] Yep.

[00:03:33] I had fun looking up the director Taylor Wong, who's done a lot of obscure stuff, other stuff with Andy Lau as well as Leon Leigh.

[00:03:44] As films include The Free Swordsman, No Risk, No Gain, sequel to Casino Raiders, Fantasy Romance, Triads the Inside Story and

[00:03:55] The Truth, which is Andy Lau legal thriller.

[00:03:58] See, this is interesting because this guy's not mentioned in the same wavelength as Iyer Wu or Ringo Lam or Johnny Toe, but that's okay.

[00:04:09] You know, he's still a working filmmaker.

[00:04:13] Yeah, it's interesting as well. I mean, his first two films were

[00:04:17] Butters Palm and I think it was called Flying Daggers was the other one.

[00:04:22] Yeah, these are Shaw Brothers.

[00:04:24] They're both of them are very much, you know, sort of run about 82, 83, I think.

[00:04:33] And, you know, they're very lean heavily into things like lightsabers and stuff like this going on.

[00:04:41] Yeah, crazy.

[00:04:42] Yeah, exactly. It's not a flag.

[00:04:45] There was a film that Andy Lau did.

[00:04:48] I think it was with Leon Leigh as well called Saviour of the Soul, which has a similar sort of look and feel to it, which was a lot of fun.

[00:04:58] But yeah, he did these two early ones.

[00:05:01] And then he did a couple of sort of gritty crime thrillers.

[00:05:05] I think one was called Pursuit of a Killer.

[00:05:11] And the other one was, I think it was cool.

[00:05:16] Pursuits because it's kind of like who we got nowadays. You know, if you've got a direct video limited release kind of be action guy, you're looking at people like Isaac quarantine or Jesse V Johnson.

[00:05:26] If you're looking at a more mainstream person, then you got kind of has been like, you know, Scorsese and Walter Hill as well as newer ones like, you know, have been around since the 90s like Antoine Fluqua.

[00:05:40] And so it is cool to just know that, you know, every country also kind of has that they always got their additional guy who's taking out the trash and being a genre filmmaker instead of the only talked about guy or only Oscar bait kind of stuff.

[00:05:59] Yeah, it reminds me actually of Stephen Hopkins.

[00:06:03] Because he seemed to be like a, you know, a very much a director for hide. He doesn't have sort of passion projects of his own as such.

[00:06:13] But he's a very solid good at what he does do.

[00:06:17] Absolutely. He all sends out some some great films.

[00:06:21] But you know, he hasn't sort of he hasn't got that sort of passion project sort of tucked away is very much a studio director. And that's kind of what the live I'm getting from Taylor Wong, I think.

[00:06:33] Really, we like these guys because they really are good at being genre people. You know, Hopkins is definitely a perfect example of someone who'd like Anthony Hickox and many Harlan and some of those other guys they do a chiller and then they do a thriller and then they do some other kind of blockbuster and it

[00:06:52] doesn't matter if it wasn't good or not, they'd recover because they were on budget. They had good production quality and it's interesting to how you know come. I mean Richard Flesher you know took over for Richard Donner and Superman too but he's the king of doing disaster

[00:07:09] projects that were in the vein of Erwin Allen so I mean it's and I think yes that is a good point because there are so many other filmmakers who nowadays you'll see them and it's like you guys come off as two workmen like you don't really seem to have any

[00:07:25] passion or soul to this.

[00:07:28] Why are you here and

[00:07:30] Well, I see no we you know we delve into sort of the bottom end of the market a lot.

[00:07:38] And you know, I hate to sort of mention anyone but there's a company called Bondit.

[00:07:45] It's a company that's like a big hit finance group or something along these sort lines and they were responsible for a lot of the Bruce Willis films.

[00:07:53] Oh yeah, and it and it for a lot. Yeah, and unfortunately you know those projects that they were literally set up just to try and make a buck. You know there was no artistry to them at all.

[00:08:09] And it was basically about putting. They did a good job.

[00:08:13] Yeah, exactly. Yeah, they were crazy people on Wall Street they had, you know done Ponzi schemes they had attracted all these other big name actors like Frank Grillo mo Gibson gave possible and DeNiro and Freeman and you know Morgan Bremen and you're just like how did they sign on

[00:08:31] and all they tricked their agents and yeah, Bruce didn't know he was there. He was getting that dementia and other stuff and I didn't mind the first initial few movies there were a few with Batista and but they were made again these sneaky guys were known for

[00:08:48] just co producing big budget stuff like loan survivors Street Kings and Narc and they just kept writing on that code tells them funding a piece of crap that would start the likes of all Kilmer 50 cent and you're just like how did they get

[00:09:03] from here to there. Yeah, I don't know so I've forgotten what the point was now I forgot why we got. Oh well no just talking about some of these sneaky companies making easy cash.

[00:09:13] Easy cash. I mean, you know, I mean this this is interesting because I'm sure you read up on this as well but you know both rich and famous and tragic hero were produced in the same year.

[00:09:26] Yeah, I couldn't believe it.

[00:09:28] And originally, you know if you watch the films sequentially obviously rich and famous comes first because it's dealing with you know quack and young as young kids through their young adult live and bring in in charian fats character.

[00:09:43] And then you know the sequel there's a big flashy one but when they were released they decided to put out tragic hero first to literally ride on the coattails of a bear tomorrow, because you know it puts charian for more to the centre of the film and it has those big flashy action sequences as well

[00:10:02] So, but it just doesn't make any sense. You know from from I was confused by the as well I was like, okay, are they is there miscommunication you know because they're even credited differently so yeah, like, I think tragic hero they're credited by their surname

[00:10:19] And I didn't even know it's very clear and evident, you know, I, I think I did see them in order but it was confusing nonetheless. And it was like, okay, whatever works.

[00:10:31] I mean, weird, weird watching it in the order they were actually released because tragic hero starts with a narration telling you what happened in the first film.

[00:10:43] And then, you know the first film is just very energetic varies going you know chow has so many other movies by the ticing company that are and Golden Harvest that have been rediscovered fortunately on DVD that I think he had another one called coat of honour that I've been wanting to see for a while.

[00:11:04] And he's just really good at these noirish, you know, characters and everything. And it helps that he's often on professional productions and says a lot for a guy who, much like many of the other groundbreaking stars started off doing you know, primetime TV and then

[00:11:25] you know, theater backstory and even studied some martial arts briefly and then gave it up to just be a serious guy and I who knows how many times he's died on screen also but

[00:11:36] I love even on the second film it again just what feels like references to so many other blockbusters there's a scarface type mansion, you know, take down by a hit team and then it kind of descends into kind of police story you know, check each

[00:11:55] out in super cop type territory where people are, you know, getting in vehicles and then kicking each other in the face taking each other's guns and shooting them down and it's just like, I love how, you know, john woo has more emphasis on the, you know, playing saxophone and

[00:12:14] you know, the gun, gory gunshots of the head and they're kind of more just trying to move the plot along while giving you more content. And I do a pre this is why we kind of go in a tangent talking about these genre filmmakers because they're right at home where

[00:12:29] they need to be this is their playground.

[00:12:32] It's an interesting change as well. Between the two films in Richard famous when ever the system is instead of deflecting you making you go just barely is, you know, go ahead.

[00:12:46] I don't hear it. You know, things like the gunplay in the first one I mean the actors are very much it feels like it does feel like a mafia movie or spaghetti Western, because when they're shooting, they're literally thrusting the gun forward as you know so it's almost like the kids that you

[00:13:07] are playing soldiers or something. But you know they get away from that in the second one is seems to be, you know, just in that sort of space of time there's a sort of maturity of, you know, this sort of fight choreography as it were or the way they saw us in the weapons.

[00:13:22] And I think that is, you know, more of the sort of john woo influence there is it's also yeah we can do this we can make it look a lot cooler than you know we have done in the past.

[00:13:34] So they, you know, if anybody's not completely mature, or doing it 100% it's edited so well.

[00:13:43] And, like you say, you know, every movie has a gap or blooper but it just kind of adds the charm, just because everything else is firing on all cylinders no pun. And it's just.

[00:13:57] Yeah, I, I love this kind of era and you know I definitely I think still own the DVD somewhere but it's just interesting how I mean, I'm getting into so many other obscure Hong Kong franchises night.

[00:14:12] And I think the long arm of law, which is kind of their answer to a serpico and, you know, type procedural fillers and I love how everything has a second chance now it's not just can we remastered it for 1080 versus 4k or what is or isn't leaving streaming like there.

[00:14:35] So we're back to kind of square one where, you know, there is something for everybody DVDs not going away Blu-ray is not going away streaming's not going away just have at guys enjoy instead of trying to, you know, do kind of what you did with

[00:14:52] everything is bad and going away in collapsing.

[00:14:57] Yeah, I mean physical made is very important, I think.

[00:15:02] Yeah, and again a region region free player so you can just sort of pick and choose from wherever.

[00:15:06] I'm definitely going to need to get one soon to check out those special features. But yeah, I do like what your rica has done in the past it seems like they followed an arrow and the other Blu-ray companies footsteps that just giving you a reason to just want to see these

[00:15:21] material remastered it's always just a downer when you get a well remastered movie and there's still just no special features is like oh come on this is a big budget move.

[00:15:31] There is a history here that needs to be told.

[00:15:35] I mean there are some labels out there like in the UK actually you got it in the States as well called Arrow.

[00:15:41] You know they go out of their way to sort of put some effort into their releases.

[00:15:48] There's at least one other label I'm not going to name but they give you the bare bones of any release.

[00:15:58] Just as an example Stone Cold, you know the Brian Balsworth movie.

[00:16:03] I'm sure there's loads of stuff that MTV probably did or you know it's back to the behind the scenes stuff and it's just like nope you got the film and that's your lot.

[00:16:15] It's very annoying sometimes.

[00:16:18] And it's because the people who are buying Blu-ray are the collectors.

[00:16:25] They're the ones who want to sort of delve into behind the scenes.

[00:16:30] It's not someone who's just going to buy it on a whim.

[00:16:39] Let's talk about the films themselves a little bit.

[00:16:46] One of the things that sticks out in the first one is a bit early on where Andy Laos character has been tortured because he sort of came to the aid of his brother.

[00:16:56] And he stood on a block of ice which is melting. He's got a noose around his neck and then saw the bad guy.

[00:17:03] So basically it was if he throws a cigar in his mouth backwards so you know the lit end first sort of thing.

[00:17:09] It's really horrible and it looks really, you know, it's like well I can't see how they faked that if at all.

[00:17:16] He really did sort of have the sorts of cheery cheery orders to go.

[00:17:21] Weird, yeah. I hope he got paid a lot for that one.

[00:17:28] So there are some good sort of shootouts in this which is a little bit reminiscent of a Bear Tomorrow.

[00:17:36] There's a bit where they go to Thailand I believe and get double crossed there and there's a big sort of shootout and Andy Laos character gets injured.

[00:17:46] And then of course you know at the end we've got the big betrayal with you know the wedding scene on the steps of the church.

[00:17:54] Big sort of shootout which leads into sort of car chase.

[00:17:59] So yeah, so it's a lot of good sort of exciting stuff in here. I think it was pretty much structured the same as the Bear Tomorrow in that you know you have these action scenes or peppered throughout the film.

[00:18:12] But it's more about the characters and how they sort of gel together.

[00:18:16] Yep.

[00:18:18] It's no overthinking it and like to say it is at a time where you're looking at this and you're like there's no way someone didn't do some method, you know, punching or kicking.

[00:18:31] It's just too pretty hard to fake especially giving the history.

[00:18:36] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:18:40] There's one actor who appears in both films.

[00:18:46] Fu An Ching, who plays Luke also known as number six.

[00:18:52] I mean he is, as soon as you see him you recognize him straight away and he's one of these sorts of stories of the sort of cinema at the time using things like The Killer and God of Gamblers.

[00:19:05] And this is like one of the very few times he gets to play one of the good guys.

[00:19:09] You know, he's so very loyal to Charlie and Fett's character.

[00:19:13] He gets a great death scene as well in the second one when he tries to kill young posing as a window cleaner.

[00:19:23] It's sort of a very good scene.

[00:19:26] But yeah, it was good to see him for once being, you know, sort of a sympathetic character instead of a sort of typical, you know, bad guy.

[00:19:36] A typical yeah, it's a lot of stuff taken all at once.

[00:19:44] The first time we also got Alan Tam, who he plays the sort of cowardly, not exactly one of the brothers but somebody that Andy Lau and Alex Tam.

[00:20:01] I think so.

[00:20:05] Yeah, you know, they grew up together and he's a sort of a cowardly one.

[00:20:10] He's the one who sort of struggles to play.

[00:20:13] Yeah, he's the one who sort of struggles to collect the collection money from the butchers or something.

[00:20:21] And then it ends up getting beaten up.

[00:20:23] But he's an interesting actor as well because he usually plays these sort of weak-willed, sort of milky toast sort of characters.

[00:20:32] But you know, he's the third wheel in Armour of God, you know, Jackie Chan's.

[00:20:40] Yeah, and spy film. Yeah, true.

[00:20:42] And then but one of his other films is just getting a really released now called The Last Blood, which is another.

[00:20:50] I love that.

[00:20:51] People on official hard boiled.

[00:20:55] That's right.

[00:20:56] Yeah, because it was the hospital scene.

[00:20:58] That's right.

[00:20:59] Yeah, but yeah, it was marketed as hard boiled too in some places apparently.

[00:21:05] Yeah, yeah.

[00:21:06] So he's really good at this as well for his scenes.

[00:21:09] He gets a decent sort of death scene towards the end.

[00:21:13] But yeah.

[00:21:15] So I mean, of the two, which one do you actually prefer?

[00:21:19] I think I preferred, you know, they kind of both run together, but I do kind of prefer the second one.

[00:21:24] But the first one was a really solid, like you say, just easy going.

[00:21:29] Nothing to it.

[00:21:31] I mean, there was but not to where you had to.

[00:21:36] It's very hard to get bored with these movies too.

[00:21:39] Like they they're in there on it.

[00:21:41] They're ready to go and I applaud anybody who can just make the shit stick, you know, just.

[00:21:54] Yeah, the stunts stunts are crazy and you know they had no money for safety equipment or anything probably.

[00:22:02] You know, it's some of the we have car flips.

[00:22:06] We've got people sort of jumping out windows on the top of the vans and all this sort of stuff going on.

[00:22:11] And it's all in camera stunt work.

[00:22:13] It's all very well done indeed.

[00:22:17] The stand up bit for the second one for me is, as I said, number six is death when it when he he goes along and you know, he's cleaning the windows and he's waiting for his moment.

[00:22:27] But he's been double crossed as well.

[00:22:30] And we realized straight away who's double crossed him because only one.

[00:22:34] Yeah, only other only one other person knew that he was on this on this mission.

[00:22:39] And it's a scene after that where we get cherry on fat's best bit of acting in the film.

[00:22:46] Because he, you know, he confronts this guy who's betrayed him.

[00:22:49] He's like a lifelong friend.

[00:22:52] And all of a sudden one of his guys stabs this guy at the back and he's like shocked.

[00:22:57] He's like, what are you doing?

[00:22:59] I was going to let him in.

[00:23:00] Yeah.

[00:23:01] And then but then you realize he realizes that this guy's actually got a gun in his hand.

[00:23:05] He was going to, you know, he's waiting for his his moment to sort of shoot him still even though he'd been caught betraying him.

[00:23:10] And it's just like, you know, the way.

[00:23:13] Nameless, you know.

[00:23:14] Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[00:23:15] It's a way cherry on fat's face is able to sort of process all of that information and that one scene.

[00:23:21] You know, it's like Bob Hoskins at the end of Longwood Friday or even Vin Diesel in the first in the first Fast and Furious movie.

[00:23:33] You know, there's a scene when he finds out that Brian's, you know, actually a cop.

[00:23:38] He actually does a decent bit of acting for once in that one scene.

[00:23:44] But yeah, it's a great bit of acting from everyone's out of their shell on this one.

[00:23:49] They're not.

[00:23:51] They're not.

[00:23:52] I mean, even, you know, Chow who's going to go on to do other action crime stuff.

[00:23:55] I can't say he's doing the same performance here.

[00:23:57] You know, they're all working against the grind.

[00:24:01] I mean, it's interesting.

[00:24:03] I mean, you know, 1986, 97.

[00:24:06] Charyon Fatt paid in 11 films in both years.

[00:24:11] You know, I mean, his work rate was absolutely ridiculous.

[00:24:15] Giant.

[00:24:16] At that time.

[00:24:17] Yeah.

[00:24:18] I mean, yeah, 11 film, so 22 films in two years and then he kind of slacks off a bit.

[00:24:23] He does nine the next year.

[00:24:24] And then, you know, by then he's world famous and he can sort of, you know, pick and choose his roles.

[00:24:30] A bit more.

[00:24:31] But yeah, he was, you know, I can't even say he was churning them out because we had things like, you know, prison on fire,

[00:24:38] ring city on fire, you know, full contact.

[00:24:43] Yeah.

[00:24:44] All these really, really, really excellent films.

[00:24:47] Wild search, which is the one it's the one I'm sort of hunting down at the moment because I'm.

[00:24:52] Yeah.

[00:24:54] I'm with all these guys, I pretty much just got to pick out a time of the year to just troll through eBay and just find something that I'm like, okay.

[00:25:04] That's the one I found it.

[00:25:08] Awesome.

[00:25:09] Yeah.

[00:25:10] Yeah.

[00:25:11] But I'm thoroughly enjoyable pair of films.

[00:25:13] I mean, I did sort of check out a couple of trailers before this afternoon.

[00:25:20] One was for a film called City War, which also stars Chow and Fat and Tee Lung.

[00:25:29] Where they play police partners.

[00:25:32] And the other one was another one called Flaming Brothers.

[00:25:36] Yes, there you go.

[00:25:38] But, you know, looking at the production values of both of those, I mean, they do sort of pale to what we got here.

[00:25:45] You know, they seem a bit of sort of rough and ready sort of films.

[00:25:49] No, I'm just kidding.

[00:25:51] This feels a lot more polished.

[00:25:54] These ones.

[00:25:57] I'd certainly recommend them, I think.

[00:26:00] Yeah, no, that works.

[00:26:02] I prefer these personally over Better Tomorrow or just better tomorrow.

[00:26:05] I just feel it's a little too derivative and slower than the job we get later like the killer in Hardboid.

[00:26:12] And this I just would like to just see more people rediscover this just because it's

[00:26:18] like you've summed up everyone's out of their typical element in a good way and challenging themselves more.

[00:26:26] And as a genre picture, it's much like some of these other more recent crime pictures is really good at making the old feel fresh and new again, just because someone apparently, you know, was really inspired, you know, to bring this to life.

[00:26:42] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:26:44] I mean, that whole period, you know, sort of late 80s early 90s, some sort of Hong Kong cinema.

[00:26:50] They were just sort of putting out some serious bangers really.

[00:26:54] And, you know, looking at Taylor Wong's filmography and you know there's films in there which I've never ever heard of.

[00:27:01] And as I said, I've been sort of checking out the trailers, whatever state they're in.

[00:27:05] And it's like I really need to sort of discover more of his stuff now, you know, because it's just one of those directors have, you know, not really sort of paid any attention to and he's been given sort of short shrift I think in the, you know, the wave of Hong Kong cinema hitting the west.

[00:27:23] He's kind of been forgotten about a little bit until now with them, you know, the release of these two films together.

[00:27:31] Yeah, I'm hoping it's not just rediscovered but also just, but again just finds that audience because there's so much stuff going to reevaluate and he makes you wonder who is doing the reevaluation process, you know, he's making it a thing.

[00:27:51] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:27:53] Yeah, hopefully people like us with money.

[00:28:00] But one of the issues with, you know, with Hong Kong cinema for a long time was their, you know, the studio's reluctance to release these films or to give license to them to be reused.

[00:28:16] We are so spoiled now.

[00:28:17] We can digital record stuff instead of circulate a tape.

[00:28:21] Yeah, there's so many other things that have finally come a long way and I still see people kind of get a little spoiled.

[00:28:30] I'm like, oh, you have no idea how good we have at people.

[00:28:33] Well, yeah, I remember going to, I mean, you know, back in the 90s, I used to have to go to these film fairs, either in London or around about and getting like bootleg the bootleg VHS.

[00:28:46] It's like anime people would copy it digitally.

[00:28:50] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:28:51] You know, and if you didn't have subtitles, well, hard luck.

[00:28:55] I remember we ended up with a copy of Rumble in the Bronx and it was an actual proper VHS release from Fortune Star.

[00:29:05] I think it was but had no English subs.

[00:29:08] It's like, great.

[00:29:09] We were one of the first people to actually see the film in the UK, but without the subtitles, not that you really need them for Rumble in the Bronx.

[00:29:17] There you go.

[00:29:21] Yeah, but yeah, there's a lot of films that, you know, things like Black Cat and Dr. Lam.

[00:29:30] The only way you were going to ever get to see them back back then was if you managed to get hold of a bootleg.

[00:29:39] That's true.

[00:29:40] And it's interesting too how when you ask people, hey, you know, how did you get into this and it's like, oh, well,

[00:29:55] ask me now or later, you know, just

[00:29:59] Well, funny enough, I mean, for me it was

[00:30:02] I think the first film I saw from that era was Jackie Chan's police story and we saw around the French house and

[00:30:11] you know, I convinced my friends to rent it among other things.

[00:30:15] But it wasn't so much.

[00:30:17] It wasn't just Jackie Chan's police story.

[00:30:20] It was the trailers for things like police assassins that were on there as well, which is I think, yes, madam, the first one to roll.

[00:30:28] In the line of duty movies. Yeah.

[00:30:31] Yeah, so yeah, it was it was it was first released as police assassins and it was just this great stunt of Michael Wong being

[00:30:39] hung from a crane and then being let loose and just sort of smashing on the ground.

[00:30:43] And it was like, oh my God, right.

[00:30:46] And that plus, you know, getting into Jackie's stuff that was probably the start of for me.

[00:30:53] And then when I got to see the killer on VHS that was the sort of final nail in the coffin as far as my

[00:31:01] I wouldn't call it an obsession but my sort of fondness of Hong Kong cinema really sort of kicked off.

[00:31:10] And then we're not hard to keep track of it all.

[00:31:13] Well, it is but there was I was kind of lucky as well.

[00:31:17] I was working in London at the time and I heard of this shop in Candon, which is called Eastern Heroes.

[00:31:25] Oh yeah.

[00:31:27] And they sold these.

[00:31:29] They basically ran their own label of bootleg DVDs.

[00:31:32] So I call them DVDs VHS tapes.

[00:31:35] But they were well produced and had their own covers and everything.

[00:31:38] And then there was a guy called Ricky Baker who's still active.

[00:31:42] He's still no relation, but he still produces his magazine, which is a very good quality.

[00:31:52] You know, it's very good quality, quite a tome actually.

[00:31:56] And he sort of got more active again.

[00:32:00] I don't think he produces any more videos or films or anything.

[00:32:05] Yeah, that really opened my eyes.

[00:32:07] So I go in there and sort of getting all the loads of tapes from him.

[00:32:13] As you say today, yes, spot of a choice.

[00:32:16] It's all they got channels like higher, you know, the streaming service in the States doing a bang up job.

[00:32:25] Amazing really stuff you can get nice.

[00:32:31] It's just eye opening too, because you're just like, how did you come upon crotted it?

[00:32:35] And half the time they'll be like, I don't have the foggiest.

[00:32:39] Yes.

[00:32:42] I copied a copier.

[00:32:44] Basically, yeah, it's kind of like sampling.

[00:32:47] What are you getting mad when your products out there and people are going to use it anyway?

[00:32:51] That's literally the whole point.

[00:32:53] Like so when you see a dubstep guy acting like they need residuals to say, oh, please.

[00:33:00] I'm going to be doing great.

[00:33:02] Yeah, exactly.

[00:33:04] Yeah, I think he's going to keep being some cool stuff being discovered.

[00:33:08] I'm just hoping.

[00:33:10] I just want everybody just kind of not falling to snobby trends like, oh, you know, I said subtitled or dub just like, just go seek it out.

[00:33:20] Have a good time.

[00:33:22] Even if I stopped and still put the subtitles on.

[00:33:27] Yeah.

[00:33:30] Awesome.

[00:33:32] Dolly, great being on here. What is the DTV digest got coming up that you'd like to come up?

[00:33:39] I'm editing our latest episode at the moment, which includes a film called showdown at the grand, which has Terrence Howard and Dolph Lundgren.

[00:33:53] Funny enough, it's really, really good.

[00:33:55] Really enjoyed it if you get a chance to see it.

[00:33:57] Sweet.

[00:33:59] I still need to catch up on some of his newer ones.

[00:34:03] Yeah, no, that one's that one's an interesting one. You got Terrence Howard playing a cinema owner and Dolph Lundgren's this all washed up 80s action star.

[00:34:14] And they keep showing like his sort of clips from his made up films is a bit like, you know, the, the, the trailers in the middle of.

[00:34:24] The Grand House, you know, the Tarantino Rodriguez thing. So you get, you get sort of Dolph Lundgren appearing in films like Moses versus the Nazis and things like this.

[00:34:35] It's great.

[00:34:38] It's a good little film now.

[00:34:40] But yeah, we're still plugging away basically looking forward to recording at some point this week.

[00:34:47] Yeah.

[00:34:49] Okay, very nice. And I will let you know when this episode hits, we'll definitely do it during a crime themed week sometime in, I think the winter spring.

[00:35:00] And I'll tag you appropriately in it. Thank you so much though this was just very speedy and fun to do.

[00:35:08] I don't know man, I hope life is treating you right and everything else is going to be on a Vivo.

[00:35:14] Andy, my team. Yeah, thanks for having me on anytime I did and I promise we can do some other cool stuff in the future just I'll be really cool. Yeah, yeah, let me know.

[00:35:24] That's awesome.

[00:35:25] Cheers.

[00:35:26] Cheers.

[00:35:28] Bye.

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