Comedy Double Dose: Only Murders in the Building & Abbott Elementary Review (with Jaylan Salah & Stephanie "Heavy D" Tyler)

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[00:00:34] And go through all his shit? Sounds like an afternoon.

[00:00:55] Great!

[00:01:02] I'm just so happy to be back.

[00:01:04] Do you work here?

[00:01:05] This is embarrassing for you.

[00:01:08] The wait is over. Abbott Elementary returns February 7th on ABC.

[00:01:58] We got some great guests tonight. These wonderful people. Heavy D, Stephanie Tyler herself, Procedural TV, Podcast Recovery.

[00:02:06] And then we got the wonderful Jaylan Salah. Hello!

[00:02:10] From In Session Film, Podcast and Blog.

[00:02:13] She has hosted that as well as Funny Gal Talk Podcast and the Jay Day Reviews.

[00:02:18] She has guested on Raging About Gosling, Men Who Like Men Who Like Movies, Movies in Focus, Generation Dan, Women Connected in Wisdom, Horror Hangout, Mr. Gentleman Lifestyle and Titanic Talk Line.

[00:02:29] Yes!

[00:02:29] That's a hell of a resume.

[00:02:31] Please tell me your Podchaser is updated.

[00:02:34] Yeah.

[00:02:36] So, welcome, welcome.

[00:02:37] We've been talking about this for a bit.

[00:02:38] We were just like, hey, we'll talk a bit about like some current sitcoms.

[00:02:42] And it's like, that's fine.

[00:02:42] I can get that coming out in the fall.

[00:02:44] And so we'll briefly talk about Only Murders and then we'll probably end up with Abbott Elementary.

[00:02:50] And I just figured like this, this is an easy come, easy go, like winning formulas.

[00:02:58] But now we've got to describe why is it winning for most crowds.

[00:03:01] You know?

[00:03:03] And so Only Murders and Abbott are both streaming on Hulu.

[00:03:08] The latter is also on HBO Max because it's a Warner Brothers co-production.

[00:03:14] So, first of all, but before we get into this, what do you guys look for in a typical comedy?

[00:03:20] For lack of a better word.

[00:03:23] Hmm.

[00:03:24] Okay.

[00:03:24] Do I start or Stephanie?

[00:03:27] I'm, it's a free panel.

[00:03:29] I'm.

[00:03:30] All right.

[00:03:31] Well, I can tell you what I don't want.

[00:03:32] I'm sorry.

[00:03:33] Awesome.

[00:03:34] No, no.

[00:03:34] I like this angle.

[00:03:35] I like to listen.

[00:03:37] Cause it's easier sometimes to say what you don't want.

[00:03:39] So what I don't want is a laugh track.

[00:03:41] I'm really glad we got away from that.

[00:03:44] No, that's good.

[00:03:46] For me, I always look for intelligent comedy.

[00:03:49] I don't know how to describe it, but sometimes I feel like jokes and just comedians recycle

[00:03:54] stuff.

[00:03:54] So yeah, I could see something that is totally, it seems mindless, you know, like out of the

[00:03:59] ugh.

[00:04:00] But at the same time, it could be really funny because I feel there was a bit of creativity

[00:04:04] in it.

[00:04:04] So I just like, I think dialogue, like crazy dialogue that goes back and forth, even in

[00:04:09] something like only murders, you could feel like the dialogue is very tame.

[00:04:13] Like it's not my favorite.

[00:04:14] I like R rated comedies where people are just like killing each other off with words and

[00:04:19] you know, stuff.

[00:04:20] But I like it when it's a bit, you know, like back and forth.

[00:04:23] This is what I look for in a comedy.

[00:04:25] Something that will make me really laugh as if it's like my internal monologue, which

[00:04:28] I think is kind of funny, at least to my head.

[00:04:31] No, that's lovely.

[00:04:32] I, I, that's a perfect.

[00:04:36] For me, it's kind of the composition.

[00:04:38] Like if I want to see every episode, that's a good show.

[00:04:41] Like for instance, I respect something foul mouth like South Park or always sunny.

[00:04:48] But if you're asking me to watch every episode, it's just not going to happen.

[00:04:51] Like I've seen five.

[00:04:52] I'm good.

[00:04:53] Like, it's funny, but it's not funny to where I'm like, I want to see every single episode.

[00:04:58] Like, and so I kind of like to see like we've covered Larry Sanders on here recently as a fun

[00:05:07] throwback to classic HBO.

[00:05:08] But we were also talking just like, see the final punchline that ends every episode just

[00:05:12] kills us every time.

[00:05:13] And then because you see that there's like free plot twists coming and you forget about one of the,

[00:05:19] every episode of a show is always like plot A, plot B.

[00:05:23] And in that case, it had a plot C and plot C was always the blind spot.

[00:05:26] You'd always lose track of them.

[00:05:28] And it would hit you on the side of the head and you go, oh my word, that is hysterical.

[00:05:34] Everything hit the fan.

[00:05:35] How did I not see it coming?

[00:05:38] Oh, yes.

[00:05:39] I like when a joke not only carries through the episode like that, but also arcs across

[00:05:44] the series.

[00:05:44] And I think that's one thing, even though Abbott Elementary and Only Murders, even though

[00:05:49] they're very different in how the episodes are structured, they both always call back to

[00:05:54] these, these gags and these storylines that happened earlier.

[00:05:57] So even though you can, I, well, you can't really watch episodes of it's only murders individually,

[00:06:03] but even though each episode is funny on its own, when you watch them all together, it

[00:06:09] exponentially increases the humor.

[00:06:11] That's a good point.

[00:06:12] Like there's another gag that comes in or a one skit from like the season one that comes

[00:06:17] back to on everybody in season three.

[00:06:19] And you're like, you know, in fact, I think that's a good segue.

[00:06:22] Like Abbott, you know, it's like I saw the cinematographer turned director, one of the one of them,

[00:06:28] at least of the office was working on this and it had the same kind of mockumentary style.

[00:06:33] I had had, I had seen some of the cast members, like I had heard how, okay, kind of like insecure.

[00:06:38] They were doing a lot of standup and web series.

[00:06:43] And then they just got a bigger budget.

[00:06:45] They, they, and so kind of like only murders got promoted heavily on Howard Stern.

[00:06:49] Like I saw Steve Martin, Martin shorts, big ass sit down and how just nutty this was.

[00:06:56] I'm like, you've sold me on this.

[00:06:58] Just talking about this, this clearly is something that's atypical.

[00:07:02] What even you guys do.

[00:07:03] And same thing with Abbott, like, okay, Jimmy Kimmel's promoting it.

[00:07:06] Like, you know, he doesn't just promote anything, you know, and it's not just another like school setting.

[00:07:16] Like it's also just making you cut.

[00:07:19] Everyone's got their favorite, you know, dysfunctional student or wacky teacher that there's all these other factors to it.

[00:07:27] And it's bringing something different to the mockumentary style too.

[00:07:31] So like, uh, mockumentaries can sometimes fall apart when they don't acknowledge the cameraman.

[00:07:36] And sometimes when they're acknowledging the cameraman is it really is at the most wackiest times where they're like, uh, I'm kissing my girlfriend leave.

[00:07:45] I think that, um, Abbott Elementary is good because when you're having a show that could feature children heavily, it's easy for it to fall into that special episode of the week trap, or it can feel too sweet or like it's trying to.

[00:07:59] Inconsequential.

[00:07:59] Teach lessons.

[00:08:00] Yeah.

[00:08:00] And these kids are just terrors.

[00:08:02] And I love that there's it's a show about a school, but the kids are really secondary to it.

[00:08:07] That's a good point.

[00:08:09] Yeah.

[00:08:11] And totally.

[00:08:12] Man.

[00:08:13] I mean, how do you get better than that?

[00:08:16] Because like, uh, I see so many other sitcoms, uh, that kind of just get mean spirited after a while and you're like, I don't really want to come back.

[00:08:25] You know?

[00:08:27] I'm not saying that's always the end all be all.

[00:08:29] Sometimes there are ones where you're like, oh, that's just funny.

[00:08:32] But then there's other times where you're like, I really, everybody's just driving me crazy.

[00:08:39] Well, a show can go on too long.

[00:08:41] And I think, uh, that's kind of an American sitcom thing.

[00:08:44] I say that knowing full well, the Midsummer Murders has been on for like 25 seasons.

[00:08:50] Well, no, we all.

[00:08:51] Whoa.

[00:08:51] That's a good example.

[00:08:52] Yeah.

[00:08:53] I mean, I will watch all the Dick Wolf shows and I've seen people say tapped out at whatever this, and then there's other times where you're just like, yeah.

[00:08:59] Uh, you know, like I was that way with NCIS.

[00:09:02] Like I love the original show.

[00:09:03] I didn't need to see all the other spinoffs.

[00:09:05] It's just like, mm.

[00:09:07] Totally happened to me with Supernatural.

[00:09:09] Like I loved it.

[00:09:11] Up until season five.

[00:09:12] And then wait a minute.

[00:09:13] The original show runner, Eric Kripke quit.

[00:09:16] Why am I going to sort?

[00:09:17] And then it continued.

[00:09:19] Like season 15.

[00:09:20] I didn't see the rest and 10 seasons.

[00:09:23] So I was like, okay, no.

[00:09:25] I'm leaving this ship, you guys.

[00:09:27] Abandon ship.

[00:09:28] Yeah.

[00:09:29] Goodbye.

[00:09:30] Bye.

[00:09:30] Yeah.

[00:09:31] I think sometimes it's good when a series ends on a high note, like that there's a natural built in ending to a season.

[00:09:36] And then maybe it could come back later after a break or with a little bit of a different perspective.

[00:09:42] But you don't want to fall into the Dick Wolf trap where we're all sitting here wondering if he's just immortal and he has to produce shows to stay alive.

[00:09:50] Like a weird version of speed.

[00:09:52] Yeah.

[00:09:53] Well, no, that's a good point, too.

[00:09:54] So it's just like and or it was good on paper, but it just there's something about it that's coming off as quantity over quality.

[00:10:05] You know, there's always going to be some compromise for the studio.

[00:10:08] And some people judge it on what actor leaves.

[00:10:10] If it's a third person perspective, that doesn't bother me.

[00:10:13] But other people, it's a total break it.

[00:10:15] And I get it.

[00:10:17] I just don't like like when a spinoff just like comes out and you're like, see, there's just too much.

[00:10:24] The actor did that role too well.

[00:10:27] And I like to consider myself open minded, but I'm like Abbott.

[00:10:32] I would watch a spinoff of it like I think it could work like I'm kind of that way with Ted Lasso.

[00:10:36] There's so many people I like on that ensemble.

[00:10:38] I would be down for an often rumored sequel or spinoff because there's just a lot of material to work with versus it's one person running the show and everybody else is kind of just nutty, but not anchoring it.

[00:10:52] And like.

[00:10:55] Now, I think it helps, though, like only murders is on Hulu, so.

[00:11:00] It's not dictated by.

[00:11:03] What the viewership was on, you know, the network that night.

[00:11:09] And we're now invested with everybody like I would hate it if anybody left, I'd just be like, OK, what was the point now?

[00:11:16] Well, I think they have a good formula there because they have the three core cast and that works out well, Martin Short.

[00:11:21] And Steve Martin, of course, your clowns.

[00:11:24] And then you've got Selena Gomez as your straight woman.

[00:11:26] See, I had seen her act and everybody else was like, oh, the pop star.

[00:11:30] I'm like, she's done a lot of stuff, guys.

[00:11:32] She's very talented.

[00:11:33] She's stretching herself.

[00:11:35] She's been working for a long time.

[00:11:37] Exactly.

[00:11:37] She's really grounded in this role, too.

[00:11:40] I love that she's not that flashy.

[00:11:42] You know what I mean?

[00:11:42] Like, I really liked her tone down, calm and and even her clothing style.

[00:11:46] You would imagine her to be this diva wanting always to look, you know, like the best.

[00:11:52] But she's just there, you know, like your average girl befriending these two oldies.

[00:11:56] I just love her here.

[00:11:57] And her wardrobe is fantastic because it's it's more realistic to what a woman would wear.

[00:12:04] We're not all walking around in high heels and short skirts.

[00:12:07] So I love her sweaters and her coats.

[00:12:09] Me, too.

[00:12:10] The fashion is definitely on display.

[00:12:12] And I mean, the production just shows you're just like, see, like, I'm not just seeing money explode on the screen.

[00:12:19] I'm seeing a vision.

[00:12:20] And I was able to hear on the wonderful music podcast Song Exploder where they interviewed the guy who came up with the theme and he actually didn't change it much.

[00:12:30] Like he gets recommended to it by, you know, producer Dan Fogelman is like, hey, you did a great job in Galvin.

[00:12:35] I need you to check out these other guys.

[00:12:37] They're totally up your alley.

[00:12:38] He's like, well, I could just said so.

[00:12:40] Thanks.

[00:12:41] Really good job.

[00:12:42] He comes up with it.

[00:12:43] And the writer like here's that first sample, the script, the long story short, he doesn't think he's going to get it.

[00:12:51] He's like, it's just too out there.

[00:12:52] You're not going to get it.

[00:12:53] I'm probably not going to get the job.

[00:12:54] And the guy's like, did you look at our next five episodes?

[00:12:58] That was perfect.

[00:12:59] That was dead on.

[00:13:00] That's tragic.

[00:13:01] It's funny.

[00:13:02] It's hip.

[00:13:03] It's zany that you totally get us.

[00:13:05] It is perfect.

[00:13:07] I the first time I I knew I wanted to watch it.

[00:13:09] I knew I was at least going to like the actors.

[00:13:11] But the very first episode I watched when they hit that theme song with the animation, I said, that's it.

[00:13:17] I love this show already.

[00:13:18] I haven't even watched it.

[00:13:20] The piano is great.

[00:13:21] It's just dude.

[00:13:23] Dude.

[00:13:24] Yeah, it's perfect.

[00:13:25] It's it's so well produced.

[00:13:26] And I think because we've switched to streaming in some ways, it's good because a lot of getting

[00:13:32] a lot more diverse.

[00:13:33] It's not about TV and writing.

[00:13:36] Well, people who love movies are going to love it, too.

[00:13:38] I mean, just all the thing he was like on a boring, like old people like detective show

[00:13:43] growing up Steve Barnes character.

[00:13:44] Yeah.

[00:13:45] But this does kind of harken back a little to like big production.

[00:13:49] Yeah.

[00:13:49] People did care about things like that.

[00:13:51] It's a little old fashioned.

[00:13:53] And totally just like, yep.

[00:13:56] And then that happened.

[00:13:57] And then this happened.

[00:14:00] Oh, man.

[00:14:01] And kudos to him just for like they all got their unusual predicament.

[00:14:06] So this is going to break your guys's heart.

[00:14:08] I had a wonderful true crime podcaster on and it did not tackle her tickle her fancy.

[00:14:13] I don't know if she just didn't like the humor or she didn't like how the podcasters were portrayed.

[00:14:17] I'm like, oh, good grief.

[00:14:19] Was it too fictional for her?

[00:14:21] I guess I.

[00:14:23] It didn't appeal.

[00:14:24] And I'm like, I thought this was immortal.

[00:14:27] Like this is also this is a good introduction for like all generations.

[00:14:31] Like people who, you know, know about Steve Martin or Martin Short, but didn't follow him.

[00:14:36] I mean, kudos to Martin for going on every other show as his Jimmy Glick character.

[00:14:42] So he found this was a triple win for him.

[00:14:44] He's dating co-star Meryl Streep.

[00:14:47] He's doing a fun role that he wants to do.

[00:14:50] And then he's bringing back one of his old comedic characters while promoting the show.

[00:14:55] So it's like I don't.

[00:14:57] And again, Selena's grown as an actress.

[00:14:59] Steve is doing different kinds of straight man comedy.

[00:15:02] You're all the other recurring co-stars like Tina Fey being the rival podcast producer.

[00:15:09] It was very, very, very fun.

[00:15:12] And then there was the insufferable landlord.

[00:15:18] He's a he's a trip.

[00:15:20] He's funny.

[00:15:21] Like he just doesn't get how like unlikable he is, but I will maybe not unlikable, but like he doesn't have much of a story to tell.

[00:15:30] And he's always like, hey, let's do a podcast on that.

[00:15:32] And you're like, never.

[00:15:35] It kind of reminds me of how how Agatha Christie writes her stories where you have this cast of characters and every character has their own nonsense.

[00:15:43] They're all lying about something.

[00:15:45] They all have a secret and they're all ridiculous.

[00:15:50] So the way they put together all these recurring regular side characters is really well done because it does keep you invested.

[00:15:58] And that's New York as hell.

[00:15:59] Yeah.

[00:16:00] And if there's like a part where the plots get a little dry or it looks like it's going to end up too fast, they bring in that B plot and you've got your your side characters get a chance to do something.

[00:16:12] Something. Yeah. I mean, I also, I feel like for a choreographed show, like even if it doesn't feel real for podcasters, I like that sometimes when you feel like it's, it's a very fictional, beautiful world, you know, like where all people are just these manufactured people.

[00:16:27] And then you have your young girl befriending them.

[00:16:30] And then you have even this very tame murder solving case, the detective, everything is just lovely.

[00:16:35] I don't know.

[00:16:36] It is very tame.

[00:16:37] And that's a great way to describe it because it doesn't seem it's a murder show, but it's not violent at all.

[00:16:43] And like said last, so the language, it's strong, but it's infrequent.

[00:16:47] Like I would say PG-15.

[00:16:49] It's not hard or, you know, like.

[00:16:52] Put the kids to bed, you know, Richard Pryor, George Carlin's in the room, you know, it's not like that, you know, are.

[00:16:57] But it is kind of one of those where you're just like, OK.

[00:17:00] Yeah. You know, like it's.

[00:17:02] It's also like you say, it's gentle and then it's when it's tragic, it's somehow you just kind of.

[00:17:10] Even people who don't like to get encounter very difficult drama like it, it kind of just has a.

[00:17:17] It's kind of what I feel when I watch every other David E. Kelly show is like you got my inside.

[00:17:22] He places take on you.

[00:17:23] Yeah, you got something.

[00:17:24] I don't know what it is.

[00:17:24] You just you're bringing.

[00:17:26] They touch on it.

[00:17:27] They touch on the deep subjects, but they don't linger on them.

[00:17:29] It's not exploitative.

[00:17:30] And it doesn't feel like you're being manipulated when you watch it.

[00:17:33] That is a good point.

[00:17:34] You don't feel like, OK, get the tissues.

[00:17:37] Even the subtitles aren't intrusive.

[00:17:40] I know people complain about that on some Netflix shows.

[00:17:42] Dramatic music, you know.

[00:17:44] Yeah, it starts.

[00:17:45] Oh, yeah.

[00:17:46] It ruins.

[00:17:47] It spoils something that's about to come later.

[00:17:49] Right.

[00:17:50] I get it.

[00:17:52] I know how to feel.

[00:17:53] I'm human.

[00:17:56] So how did you both feel about the silent episode from the deaf characters perspective?

[00:18:01] Well, I love I personally loved it.

[00:18:03] I don't know.

[00:18:03] It was very entertaining for me.

[00:18:05] No perfect casting by the.

[00:18:09] A shady dad by Nathan Lane.

[00:18:12] I've never seen that man play a reprehensible character, and I think that's why he took it upon himself.

[00:18:19] And you'll love this.

[00:18:21] I actually recognized.

[00:18:24] So Dick Wolf stole that kid recently.

[00:18:26] He was Cameron Mannheim's who you might know from the practice and person of interest.

[00:18:30] She was the lieutenant on the new law and order, and she had him as her.

[00:18:35] Kid and they both were both actors, no sign language, so they were both putting it to the test.

[00:18:39] And I'm like, that's awesome.

[00:18:40] So I think that kid is set for life.

[00:18:42] I think he is going to keep.

[00:18:44] And again, kudos to the people using him wisely.

[00:18:46] Honestly, he doesn't ever feel like his role is manipulative.

[00:18:49] Like I do think he is the male.

[00:18:52] Ah, Marlene Matlin, for lack of a better comparison, kind of.

[00:18:56] Does that make sense?

[00:18:56] I thought it was it was well done.

[00:18:58] Like they did use his deafness to further the plot in that one episode, but he was just a person living a life like everyone else.

[00:19:06] And I what I really liked about it was that it forced me to not second screen.

[00:19:10] I sometimes have a bad habit of wanting to scroll Twitter while I'm watching TV.

[00:19:14] I'm not really paying attention.

[00:19:16] The LDS charged.

[00:19:17] You had to watch it.

[00:19:20] So my sister had to go to work the next day and then spoiler major character dies in season three.

[00:19:26] And she's like, fine, I guess I'll be late to work tomorrow.

[00:19:31] 30 more minutes.

[00:19:32] We skip for the plot and it's like, we got to know what happens.

[00:19:35] It's the cliffhanger you bastards, but it was a good one.

[00:19:38] I didn't feel like they were getting too cute for their own good.

[00:19:40] I did see some people complain about that.

[00:19:42] I'm like, I think you guys something just hurts it.

[00:19:46] Now, I get it.

[00:19:48] Not every filmmaker is the right audience.

[00:19:52] Like, for instance, I'm not a Ryan Murphy guy, but many people are because he finds a way to kind of, I guess you could say, make guilty pleasure TV or over the top TV that gets people to come out and enjoy the freaky fun time.

[00:20:07] And I think these comedians, you know, they've done so many other just different sitcoms, some with lap tracks, some without.

[00:20:15] But I think they just they wanted it on kind of to part of murder.

[00:20:20] She wrote and then just shake it up a bit in a blender a bit more.

[00:20:25] And the fact that they've had to go back and forth between Hollywood, their stories now being adapted.

[00:20:30] And the fact that there's even a podcast companion to this, I think it's a meta show.

[00:20:35] It's really.

[00:20:36] Yes.

[00:20:38] I mean, Abbott Elementary is a little meta.

[00:20:41] I mean, I love some of their other references.

[00:20:43] Like I got everyone, even if I hadn't seen the show, like there was a bunch for everybody.

[00:20:47] There was one where.

[00:20:52] Quinta Brunson's lead character.

[00:20:54] I mean, I think she has a perfect writing staff.

[00:20:57] They just all know how to play off everybody.

[00:20:58] I like how there was the one teacher who was addicted to vaping and they tried to get off vaping by literally getting them by his legs, like toss it up.

[00:21:07] Toss it up as the putting in the trash.

[00:21:09] And having Taraji Pia Hinson recur as her crazy mom was promiscuous.

[00:21:15] The physical comedy is so good in that show.

[00:21:18] And I wasn't expecting that from a mockumentary, but I love how they play off the different characters and their sizes and the body humor.

[00:21:25] Oh, yeah.

[00:21:26] It's well done without being slapstick.

[00:21:28] Oh, totally.

[00:21:30] I got into suits recently, but I, I think what a lot of these comedy dramas kind of do so well is they always have a wacky villain character.

[00:21:41] Like, and have it like there's so many people like, uh, when does like former boyfriend you're just like, oh, yes, the rapper.

[00:21:50] How stupid can you be?

[00:21:52] I'm loving Ava as a character who is the antagonist, but often like a reluctant hero.

[00:21:59] I think that the actors are so funny.

[00:22:02] She's kind of like the current Boston legal, but like, but same deal.

[00:22:07] Like sometimes she unexpectedly saves the day and you're like, how the hell did that happen?

[00:22:11] I gotta wear you watch it again.

[00:22:12] Well, they're making her more complex when they first brought her on and you were like, okay, she's an antagonist.

[00:22:17] But as the show goes on, you see more and more like you respect and admire her, but also fear her.

[00:22:23] And I, you know, personally, I mean goals, right.

[00:22:27] Who doesn't want to be serious just a little?

[00:22:30] Absolutely.

[00:22:31] Uh, Tyler James Williams, Lisa Ann Walter and Shirley Ralph, you know, again, they've done their rounds on sitcoms.

[00:22:36] They're all completely different here.

[00:22:38] Uh, but yeah, I was digging.

[00:22:41] How insane Ava was to where I went out and looked up portray her general James other Netflix standups.

[00:22:46] I'm like, see, I see why she got hired.

[00:22:48] She just has that kind of, you don't know what's going to come out of her mouth that unpredictability.

[00:22:53] And they, they even had voice actress Chris Summer make an appearance, Leslie Odom Jr., Lando Jones.

[00:23:00] And, ah, there were so many other, uh, Tatiana Ali from Fresh Prince.

[00:23:05] I was like, oh my God.

[00:23:07] Yeah. When I saw Orlando Jones, I just recently watched the episode with him.

[00:23:11] I was like, oh my gosh, is that Orlando Jones?

[00:23:14] What a blast from the 90s.

[00:23:16] Oh my goodness.

[00:23:17] If I ever get Tommy Bechdel on here, I'm going to ask him how the hell he got on there.

[00:23:20] I love Keegan-Michael Key as the superintendent.

[00:23:24] Yes.

[00:23:25] Uh, but I, I gotta love how wacky the, the janitor is, Mr. Johnson.

[00:23:33] I don't know if you guys ever saw Trailer Park Boys.

[00:23:36] That was another.

[00:23:37] Okay, perfect.

[00:23:38] I love Trailer Park Boys.

[00:23:40] And see, what's funny is my daughter got me into that and he can't, can only stand so

[00:23:45] much of it.

[00:23:46] And my sister hates me anytime I had that on.

[00:23:48] And I was just like, well, see, it, the reason we actually put this podcast together

[00:23:53] is we were all in a mystery science theater group.

[00:23:55] So I guess we're just into zany comedy.

[00:23:57] And I think these are all very, very zany.

[00:24:01] Like, I love seeing the guys outwit Mr. Leahy at the park, just like I like seeing Janine

[00:24:07] try to knock some sense into all the teachers at Abbott and Mabel try to tell the geezers,

[00:24:13] hey, follow me guys, pay attention.

[00:24:15] Yeah.

[00:24:15] Well, you know what helps with that is they've got diverse writing and acting staff and look

[00:24:21] at the age ranges.

[00:24:23] Because, you know, you can use the age difference as part of the comedy they sometimes do in

[00:24:27] both those shows.

[00:24:28] But it makes it funnier because everyone is someone they can relate to a little, whether

[00:24:32] you're laughing at them or with them.

[00:24:34] It's a little something for everyone.

[00:24:36] TikTok is used as a device as opposed to interrupting or just because it's cool to

[00:24:39] talk about.

[00:24:41] Exactly.

[00:24:41] And when you see someone like Mabel and she's always the younger one and she's always

[00:24:46] complaining and then you see her like getting clashed with the Gen Z and then she

[00:24:50] starts looking like the weirdo.

[00:24:53] I love this part so much.

[00:24:55] Like really, they play it off so well.

[00:24:57] Oh, totally.

[00:24:58] And it's so relatable because we're all there.

[00:25:01] Exactly.

[00:25:03] That's a good point because like the podcast jokes could easily maybe not work.

[00:25:06] They might have worked better on paper and they make it to where the boring shit is

[00:25:10] off screen.

[00:25:11] We don't see them editing or press to upload the episode for time.

[00:25:14] But no one would watch that.

[00:25:16] No one would watch it.

[00:25:17] I would.

[00:25:17] I would not watch that.

[00:25:18] I'd be like three out of five stars for trying, but it's not landing.

[00:25:23] You know, I'd be and I haven't had so many great ones.

[00:25:27] There was like a band performing in like one of the final season one episodes and they're

[00:25:30] like, this is the Backstreet Boys to men.

[00:25:32] I'm like, what?

[00:25:36] Oh, oh.

[00:25:37] And one of them was lamenting because they're all weird.

[00:25:41] None of them actually are.

[00:25:43] I'm like, genius.

[00:25:47] There was also a Yelp joke, but like for teachers, I'm like, see, I can relate to that because I did a lot of rate my professor back in the 20.

[00:25:54] Oh, yeah.

[00:25:55] Yeah.

[00:25:55] So I'm like, I can only imagine how nasty a Yelp site would be if it was to grade a teacher in a district or an area.

[00:26:03] When they brought in Gritty in that first season, I was like, this show understands exactly who their audience is.

[00:26:11] Like that's so much.

[00:26:12] He's the the mascot, that orange.

[00:26:14] Oh, the Philly Flyers guy.

[00:26:17] OK.

[00:26:17] Yeah.

[00:26:18] Like this show knows its place in time.

[00:26:20] It knows the zeitgeist and it is a good point.

[00:26:24] The people of the East Coast.

[00:26:25] I'm not a sports guy.

[00:26:27] It's still funny.

[00:26:28] It's like, yeah, everybody had that weird mascot at a school who put in way more effort than it was worth.

[00:26:35] Yeah.

[00:26:35] Who is both beloved and feared.

[00:26:38] Oh, and how about the fact that like.

[00:26:43] I can't speak tonight.

[00:26:44] Melissa is kind of the more.

[00:26:47] New York broad, you know, trying to look for a new husband and Barbara is the, you know, religious fearing, you know, oh, why do kids act that way today?

[00:26:59] Gregory is just the dude just can't take a hit.

[00:27:04] He is terrible at body language.

[00:27:06] He's like, dude, you know, if you want to date this person, ask them how stop trying to predict.

[00:27:13] Oh, I thought you wanted this or meant that.

[00:27:15] It was like, oh, Lord, come on, dude.

[00:27:17] But we all know those people in real life.

[00:27:19] Yes, we've all met the guy.

[00:27:21] You're like, you guys should be a couple, not this other douche who you are dating at the office.

[00:27:25] Who's a moron, you know, is like, ah, and they do it without making it be messy or too many cooks or.

[00:27:34] Like.

[00:27:36] I think like the office Avid is like 2.0 on that, like it's not just a diverse cast, but like there's all kinds of jokes like the result kinds of.

[00:27:45] It went beyond just making fun of slang and social media like the season two.

[00:27:50] They went off and free.

[00:27:51] They went even crazier.

[00:27:52] Like I had a podcast friend who uploaded the Jack Bauer on 24 joke.

[00:27:56] They randomly just blurted out.

[00:27:57] But like here they randomly made an allusion to Wayne Brady on whose line.

[00:28:01] And at one point, Janine is talking about what movie she watches.

[00:28:04] And she's like, yeah, I'm kind of like old and grizzled like Liam Neeson was taking movies.

[00:28:09] And at the end, she's like, by the way, I've never seen any of those awful movies.

[00:28:11] And I never will.

[00:28:13] Yeah, the joke density is good.

[00:28:15] And the pop culture references are funny because they are all over the place.

[00:28:20] So I think we're kind of to that point now.

[00:28:22] We've seen so much out, but we're like, I actually haven't seen that movie or show.

[00:28:27] And I don't think I want to because someone gave away the ending or it's not really my cup of tea.

[00:28:32] You know, Zach is wacky how he kind of just shows how insecure Jacob is.

[00:28:40] And Jacob just can't take a hint.

[00:28:42] It's like, come on, dude.

[00:28:46] I think they're it's just wild to seeing them in that teacher's lounge because everybody's been at a job where they're like, I don't want to eat with this coworker.

[00:28:54] Yeah, but they're sadly they're the only support I have, ironically.

[00:28:59] So there you go.

[00:29:00] And I think Ava is going to try to win back Gregory or Mr. Johnson is going to make a move on her.

[00:29:07] I don't know why.

[00:29:07] Oh, my gosh. Are you shipping Ava and Mr. Johnson?

[00:29:10] They just I'm just predicting giving how zany and nutty this is getting.

[00:29:16] And I don't.

[00:29:18] If this gets me a writing pitch, please.

[00:29:19] Thank you.

[00:29:22] I have to say the moment I saw myself in that show was Ava blackmailing someone at church.

[00:29:27] And I was like, oh, I've done that.

[00:29:30] Then it's got to be Barbara who she bribes.

[00:29:33] Well, was it Ava? Was it Barbara?

[00:29:35] I know that they've both had.

[00:29:37] Barbara had Gregory over for her.

[00:29:41] I think it was her version of Thanksgiving.

[00:29:43] And he's like, Barbara, you don't have to do that.

[00:29:45] It's nice, but it's not.

[00:29:47] It's just not how I'm.

[00:29:49] It's not my zone.

[00:29:50] It's not how I rule.

[00:29:51] It's not how I go.

[00:29:53] It is funny when the workplace comedy tries to take it into their personal lives.

[00:29:59] Sometimes that can be funny, but like in the office.

[00:30:02] Yeah.

[00:30:02] In the office, I feel like they stretched it a little too far.

[00:30:05] Like they constantly had to invent excuses for them to keep bringing their co-workers into their personal lives.

[00:30:11] And we haven't seen too much of that with Abbott.

[00:30:13] They've done a pretty good job mostly keeping it in the workplace.

[00:30:18] It probably helps that they don't have too many kids or anything or they're not dealing with as many bosses like they're there, but they're not doing too much.

[00:30:26] Like, I think that's a good point because I like the office, but it's totally true what you're saying.

[00:30:30] They sometimes like to give too much screen time to everybody to where you're like, come on, divide it up, chop up the cake, you know, cut the pie in quarters, you know?

[00:30:38] Well, I think it's because it went on too long.

[00:30:41] Yeah, exactly.

[00:30:42] Sort of entity.

[00:30:45] The original office wasn't that only three seasons or two seasons and a Christmas special?

[00:30:50] Yeah, two and some historical thing.

[00:30:52] I mean, trailer park boys got the same complaint, but at least it did something different.

[00:30:56] Like they went to a different park or got a different drug dealer.

[00:30:59] Oh yeah, they do a movie and it was just a heist.

[00:31:02] Yes, they did like a bunch of those.

[00:31:05] The heist one is definitely the best, but no, that's a good point too.

[00:31:08] Like I think Avid could go to seven seasons, maybe 10.

[00:31:13] I think it's I don't know how much only murders would go.

[00:31:18] Maybe six.

[00:31:19] I don't know.

[00:31:20] Hopefully not longer.

[00:31:22] I mean, I can't see them exhausting or running out of steam, but like like Ted Lasso, like it was supposed to end, but we want it back.

[00:31:30] So it's coming back finally.

[00:31:31] So like, because I guess the characters are rich.

[00:31:35] There's enough changing up.

[00:31:36] It's not the same thing every season.

[00:31:38] I mean, like all these other genres we talked about, like if if another supernatural mystery show comes out, I just want them to.

[00:31:48] Like Chicago Fire, I think is the best of those Chicago shows.

[00:31:51] The other ones got to sell for me fire.

[00:31:54] I think the character, once it got past season five, it said, OK, we can't keep having the boss from hell who groups up the organization.

[00:32:00] Now I got to have something else going on.

[00:32:02] Like you want it to be familiar, but different enough that it's fresh.

[00:32:05] Like it'd be funny if Ava had a stalker or someone else from her past.

[00:32:10] It'd be funny if Barbara had a teacher who she has to mentor who religiously disagrees.

[00:32:16] What if the school merged with another school or.

[00:32:19] Oh, that idea.

[00:32:22] Oh, now they got to get a Morgan Freeman cameo and he's playing his lean on me character.

[00:32:27] Yeah, there would be ways to keep it going.

[00:32:29] Come on, son.

[00:32:30] Get that drug out of your nose.

[00:32:32] That's what would be awesome.

[00:32:35] Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

[00:32:36] If anything, Venetta's got to come back.

[00:32:38] Like she's got to be like, oh, Janine, you're doing it wrong.

[00:32:41] I got to be a teacher.

[00:32:44] Yeah, but that would be a good chance to bring in.

[00:32:46] Mr. Johnson gets a certificate.

[00:32:47] New people and old people.

[00:32:48] Yes, Mr. Johnson starts teaching that.

[00:32:50] What if he becomes the principal?

[00:32:52] Oh.

[00:32:53] Because Ava got her job through blackmail.

[00:32:55] So what if, you know, his fantasy football team's doing real well.

[00:32:59] What if he wins the principal job in fantasy football?

[00:33:02] Well, I'll tell you what, Steph, you win the internet.

[00:33:06] Prediction.

[00:33:07] That's my prediction.

[00:33:07] You win the internet.

[00:33:09] You just win.

[00:33:10] Now, I know that that's not how school administration works, but I think we have to get away from being too literal when we're talking entertainment.

[00:33:18] Here's the other thing.

[00:33:20] There's plenty of yes, stuff that doesn't ever happen like that.

[00:33:24] It's fiction.

[00:33:25] But there have been some of the biggest scandals.

[00:33:28] I mean, there was that one movie by HBO, Bad Education, where that was all real, but it was all, you know, improper, not.

[00:33:38] Not a well run school.

[00:33:39] That's true.

[00:33:39] And it was a scandal and they were making money off all the.

[00:33:44] That's true.

[00:33:44] There was a college admissions scandal, which I just thought was a couple families.

[00:33:48] And it turned out to be something like, I don't know, like 70.

[00:33:52] There's corruption everywhere.

[00:33:53] You just got people.

[00:33:54] Yeah.

[00:33:54] It's just like a house.

[00:33:56] You've got to describe how the bricks, the structure, you just got to add the layering and we'll fill in the gaps.

[00:34:02] It just can't be just random.

[00:34:03] Like what?

[00:34:04] No, there's no way this person's had a stronghold, you know, come in like Gary Cooper and, you know, fix the place up.

[00:34:12] There's got to be something like and if they want to even do like an anthology where it's just all these guys and they're narrating all the crazy other like.

[00:34:21] If they get to like maybe they all go to a university, it's Avid University for like season six.

[00:34:27] Yeah, that's the send off like say, OK, cool.

[00:34:30] You not only change the name of the show, you change the setting and they got a.

[00:34:36] You could have maybe they could follow some of their students around, I guess.

[00:34:41] But I guess that's what I think that's why people like it, too.

[00:34:43] It's not really about the students.

[00:34:45] I did like that one, though, where Janine was finding the one kid who was flaking out.

[00:34:51] Playing Skippy and he had a.

[00:34:53] Yeah, it didn't help that he had a very ignorant girlfriend or no grandmother mother who was just like, oh, he's watching cartoons that doesn't do anything wrong.

[00:35:03] And like he needs to if he doesn't come to school, he's going to get kicked out, you know, for lack of attendance.

[00:35:09] Yeah, it's it's cute when they do that, but because they only do it on occasion.

[00:35:13] You really only get like a couple of dives in the students.

[00:35:16] Yeah. So and it really also just furthered.

[00:35:20] Janine's hole.

[00:35:21] They don't really.

[00:35:22] Trying to be a good educator.

[00:35:24] Yeah.

[00:35:26] I mean, the music that they do play, it's just the theme really or whatever they're playing at the after school party.

[00:35:32] Like it's it's all the pretty much.

[00:35:34] Yeah, it's all production.

[00:35:36] That's probably the appeal of the mockumentary style, though, is you can do it.

[00:35:40] But I mean, I don't want to say budget because they obviously have a bunch of child actors and they they're using a school, but they're not putting in a lot of special effects.

[00:35:52] And I guess.

[00:35:54] I mean, it's set in Philly, and I guess it's interesting seeing that kind of middle class kind of look, I guess, instead of just.

[00:36:04] It's it's I mean, we know it's underfunded, but that's not the only punchline like there's all these other things happening.

[00:36:10] Well, it's so real, because when you watch us.

[00:36:14] So I work with people in different countries and a lot of them all they're used to from American TV is shows about kids in high school, middle school, set in California, where everyone's living in these McMansions and everyone's wearing clothes and they all have full makeup and hair.

[00:36:31] And they think that's what it's really like in America.

[00:36:34] But most of America is like Abbot Elementary.

[00:36:38] The schools are terrible.

[00:36:40] This was me growing up because I'm Egyptian and I live in Egypt.

[00:36:43] So for me, the idea of watching my so-called life or Roswell, I think like a Roswell.

[00:36:49] Yes.

[00:36:49] These shows were they are not Gossip Girl, but you like watching you feel like, oh, Americans are very rich.

[00:36:55] Oh, kids are in the hallway looking like this.

[00:37:00] Take me to America.

[00:37:01] You're too sexy.

[00:37:03] And watching teenagers and their exploits.

[00:37:06] Oh, that's getting creepy.

[00:37:07] Oh, yeah.

[00:37:07] And all the teenagers are 23 in those shows.

[00:37:12] Yeah, no, it's legally done, but you're you're saying you're like, ooh.

[00:37:17] All those tall people in America.

[00:37:19] All those tall people in America.

[00:37:21] Yeah, not to disappoint you, but I would just to a school where there was like literally a hole in the roof for months.

[00:37:28] Oh, Lord.

[00:37:29] Well, at least you're not from Dallas, Texas, which has an F in terms of education.

[00:37:34] That's all I'll say.

[00:37:36] Yeah, I'm from Cleveland, Ohio, which is not so great.

[00:37:39] Yeah.

[00:37:40] Well, I got family there as well.

[00:37:42] But yeah, it is nice to see that representation in the media.

[00:37:47] Yeah, it just be the Drew Carey show.

[00:37:49] I'm just kidding.

[00:37:50] Cleveland rocks.

[00:37:54] Well, no, but I like how you just brought up Jalen.

[00:37:56] Yeah.

[00:37:57] I mean, even foreign schools, how they cover education, what they do or don't cover is also interesting.

[00:38:03] I mean.

[00:38:05] Homeland was kind of a perfect example of like that show is just anti-government and just how it's not working.

[00:38:11] Trading your remans war on terror.

[00:38:14] It's all a joke and everybody's just doing a power battle.

[00:38:17] I think these guys show their power battles, but they the punchlines land like they're really.

[00:38:25] And Janine is just really good at just playing to the camera, just like this is what I want to do.

[00:38:31] And she never has the support of anybody and she still gets it done or she still has.

[00:38:37] Someone else or Ava takes credit for her good idea, and she's like, hey, at least it happened.

[00:38:44] You know, it's just always nice.

[00:38:46] There's always a twist in it.

[00:38:47] It's like it's kind of like you want a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

[00:38:51] Well, I only got peanut butter, so I'll just make sure it's the most delicious peanut butter just on that sandwich.

[00:38:55] You know, it's just that they lose something to gain something.

[00:38:59] It's a half victory.

[00:39:00] It's just always nutty how the outcome.

[00:39:03] I wonder if that's how Quinta Brunson feels trying to run this show because she is.

[00:39:09] She created it right.

[00:39:11] She's head writer and she's producing it.

[00:39:12] She's also the lead actress and she's young and she's doing all these things.

[00:39:17] And I wonder if Janine's relentless optimism is what Quinta had to get to this place.

[00:39:24] Everybody loves each other.

[00:39:26] There's no antagonism.

[00:39:28] You haven't heard any horror stories about I'm leaving after this because I can't stand so and so.

[00:39:32] Like, I think that's the beauty of the office.

[00:39:34] Like everybody loved working with each other, even though they were playing all these awful people.

[00:39:39] Definitely.

[00:39:40] It makes you want to watch the show.

[00:39:42] Oh, yes.

[00:39:43] Where you feel like, okay.

[00:39:45] I think I was shocked.

[00:39:47] Like, wait, Samantha and Carrie, because I watched it at a very, very formative young age.

[00:39:51] Now, when I watch it, I was like, oh, these women obsessed with men go like, screw yourselves, you whores.

[00:39:57] And back then I was like, no, why do they hate each other?

[00:40:01] I felt so bad because Samantha for me was like the best character.

[00:40:04] She's always the kindest to.

[00:40:05] So the idea that, oh, why do they hate each other?

[00:40:09] And then now I'm like, you know.

[00:40:11] Now you get it.

[00:40:12] Isn't it interesting to watch the show as an adult and realize the whole time that Carrie was the problem?

[00:40:18] You like Eliminator from the group, guys?

[00:40:20] Thank you.

[00:40:20] And Samantha is like one of the girls girls, you know?

[00:40:23] Yes, I love her.

[00:40:24] On Sex and the City.

[00:40:26] Exactly.

[00:40:27] Okay. Yeah.

[00:40:27] So I was wondering what show you're talking about.

[00:40:29] Like, oh.

[00:40:29] Sex and the City, baby.

[00:40:31] Because like you watch it as a young girl and it's like a dream.

[00:40:34] I don't know why.

[00:40:35] Even the idea of friendship itself.

[00:40:36] If you ever do an episode on that, I got the perfect guest for you.

[00:40:38] My homie Oreo could talk to you about that for years.

[00:40:42] Okay.

[00:40:44] Like how it just, he loved that insight.

[00:40:47] He's like, I had no idea.

[00:40:48] Like people were having these conversations.

[00:40:51] But by the way, it would surprise you how relatable.

[00:40:54] Like I would imagine like, women don't like, guys, have you ever been inside a woman's group as a woman?

[00:40:59] Like I would just hear this and feel like I want to punch somebody.

[00:41:03] Maybe it wouldn't be that obsessive, but the idea of the crew is a little bit.

[00:41:06] I mean, I'm just, you want to punch them into.

[00:41:11] Why do you care other than your church told you to?

[00:41:14] You know, it's like.

[00:41:15] Shut up.

[00:41:16] Yeah, exactly.

[00:41:17] You can't relate.

[00:41:19] Go in your corner.

[00:41:20] Go eat your curly fries and leave them alone.

[00:41:23] Did either of you watch the reboot?

[00:41:25] Because I didn't.

[00:41:26] I heard it was bad.

[00:41:27] And I just wanted.

[00:41:28] I was like, I feel like there's not much more they can say.

[00:41:32] Exactly.

[00:41:33] Why?

[00:41:33] That's how I was with Mad About You.

[00:41:35] That's I thought the new Frasier was going to be awful.

[00:41:38] Like I just hated the trailer, but I saw it.

[00:41:41] It's like I like these new characters.

[00:41:43] The what's his name?

[00:41:44] James Burroughs, who worked on Will and Grace and all those earlier sitcoms is involved.

[00:41:49] Like I'm digging it.

[00:41:51] It doesn't need the laugh track, but it worked.

[00:41:53] But don't get me wrong.

[00:41:54] There were plenty of other comebacks.

[00:41:55] Like they did a TV show of Willow.

[00:41:56] And I was like, who was that for?

[00:41:59] Like it wasn't for people who were involved with it.

[00:42:01] The 80s rock music kept playing for no reason.

[00:42:04] You're like, is this for an Expendables Stallone crowd?

[00:42:08] So that's a good point.

[00:42:09] I think when stuff comebacks, when it when it comes back, you don't know how much of it is the marketing got involved or just some other dumb guy just came into the editing room and said, how would you add this?

[00:42:21] Even though it's got Jack diddle to do with that.

[00:42:24] I mean, and it's not uncommon like Conan O'Brien notoriously would whenever an NBC is that came to him and said your show is too weird.

[00:42:34] You know, like, can you do a different idea?

[00:42:36] He would always convince him.

[00:42:37] It's your idea.

[00:42:39] That's how he got him to fuck off.

[00:42:40] And it's just like, I think a lot of people need to.

[00:42:44] I'm not saying get defensive.

[00:42:46] You should, but like not do it in a way where it doesn't jeopardize you and kill your control.

[00:42:52] Like you could easily do what J. Michael Straczynski did on Babylon five where he had terrible effects.

[00:42:58] He had hammy guest stars, but it didn't matter.

[00:43:00] He had a he had a vision that was going to be five years and he knew how to overcome the inevitable actors leaving and all that and make an epic show.

[00:43:09] And he's still every once in a while would get people saying you got to add this handsome jock to the cast.

[00:43:14] And he's like, no, I don't want to add him. Plus, he's impossible to work with.

[00:43:17] So he would silently write him off. He would not his head while not doing what they asked.

[00:43:21] I think a lot of people need to do that. I'm shit.

[00:43:23] Yes.

[00:43:24] Not in my head while I'm running in the opposite direction.

[00:43:26] Just I heard someone say that recently.

[00:43:28] I don't remember who it was a producer director.

[00:43:32] I'm a team.

[00:43:32] And they said that their their method is just to not say no at all to the network execs.

[00:43:38] They just say, oh, yeah, great idea.

[00:43:40] That's what it does.

[00:43:41] Is the half the time they attack them like they're the messenger, even though they're technically they treat him like Toby on the office.

[00:43:48] It's like, well, this guy's not Toby.

[00:43:50] He'll actually kill your job and say so and so tell me to fuck off.

[00:43:54] All right, that's it.

[00:43:55] Kill the plug.

[00:43:55] Pull the plug.

[00:43:56] Get a new showrunner.

[00:43:57] Fuck that guy.

[00:43:59] And I think that's the same thing.

[00:44:00] Like, I don't I think everyone's just been properly vetted.

[00:44:03] Like, you know, it's Hulu and ABC.

[00:44:06] They got a pretty good track record for picking guys who aren't don't have skeletons in their closet.

[00:44:11] I my heart.

[00:44:13] Fingers crossed.

[00:44:14] I mean, really, because like, I think.

[00:44:18] I'm sorry to go on a tangent, I think post me to and post cancel culture, I think everyone was finally getting it.

[00:44:23] Hey, regardless of whether you agree with this or not.

[00:44:25] Yes, there's been a lot of rightfully convicted people who've been canceled.

[00:44:30] Then there's some people is like they're a douche, but it's OK because they're no longer working.

[00:44:35] So who cares?

[00:44:36] But then there are others just like now I got to keep the art separate from the artists.

[00:44:41] I hate this.

[00:44:42] I think they're to the point where just like, hey, kindness costs you nothing.

[00:44:46] And when I saw Martin Shorten and Steve Martin talking like about the making of it, like Martin was loving the words on the page.

[00:44:52] It's like it's like a special kind of poetry.

[00:44:55] It's not just only murder.

[00:44:56] She wrote or Columbo or something else nutty to it.

[00:45:00] I love how I'm playing a Bob Fosse type pretentious guy.

[00:45:03] And Martin was like he and Selena Gomez got along really well because they're both musicians.

[00:45:07] So they kind of worked like a musician in this dance that is called getting your lines and becoming the character.

[00:45:12] So it's like, see that that's that's why it spoke.

[00:45:15] And it wasn't just the free leads.

[00:45:16] Like it is kind of like Ted Lasso.

[00:45:18] You are waiting for like some other person to come back.

[00:45:20] Like Jane Lynch was great as the stunt double.

[00:45:22] I was like, I mean, she's always great.

[00:45:23] But she's fantastic.

[00:45:24] Yeah, I love how she puts him in his place at the time.

[00:45:27] And even though she's no longer on there, she actually is in his vision.

[00:45:30] Like she's like getting closer, partner.

[00:45:32] Oh, Lord, do I have to do your job for you?

[00:45:36] It's almost like Charles Dickens when she comes in.

[00:45:39] Yeah, I really chuckled at the season four premiere when it turns out she's also doubling Scott Bakula because yes, a little inside joke.

[00:45:47] One of his best friends was also like Harrison Ford's like stunt double.

[00:45:51] And I used to follow them him on Facebook.

[00:45:54] So I everybody when they do like guest star, there's like a quarter of that is actually true.

[00:46:00] So I think that's what makes it even more amusing.

[00:46:02] Like, oh, yeah, like a little bit of a writing is interesting.

[00:46:05] Yeah, she is a producer.

[00:46:08] So I hope she doesn't treat anyone that way.

[00:46:10] But it's just so funny.

[00:46:11] It makes you more interested in the show, too, because you feel like you've got a little something invested in it.

[00:46:16] Little trivia.

[00:46:17] Who do you think is going to make a cameo as themselves or something like I've already liking Sting killed my cat?

[00:46:22] I'm like, of course he would.

[00:46:23] He's Sting.

[00:46:24] Oh, man, if I had to pick a dream cameo for only murders.

[00:46:27] I got money.

[00:46:28] I can burn it.

[00:46:30] Oh, man.

[00:46:31] I mean, I love Sam Neill.

[00:46:32] I would love to see him wander through there.

[00:46:34] I could see that he could be a new like tenant or landlord.

[00:46:41] You will not do this in my hallway or something.

[00:46:43] And I'm sure they'd work in a dead calm or Jurassic Park reference, because why wouldn't they?

[00:46:48] But I mean, you know, mouth of madness and their little John Carpenter.

[00:46:52] I've been horizon.

[00:46:55] Oh, man.

[00:46:57] In fact, they might as well.

[00:46:58] I mean, now that they're in Hollywood, I'm sure there's going to keep working in even more movie stuff and perfect casting on their Hollywood versions are Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria and Zach Galifianakis.

[00:47:10] And they're all just having trouble.

[00:47:13] It really brings up the whole studying for my part, how much effort to put into it.

[00:47:17] And it also does a good job of showing you it doesn't matter how much money is worth it.

[00:47:22] You know, unless you just change the names, you don't like how you're going to be picky about how people portray you.

[00:47:27] It's too close to home.

[00:47:30] Good casting on Molly Shannon from SNL.

[00:47:35] Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I like that some the SNL people seem to like to continue to work together.

[00:47:41] Because they've been living behind the scenes.

[00:47:43] They play the people for a living and then that's all they do.

[00:47:47] But that's why the writing is so good, because these are people who've been bouncing ideas off each other for decades.

[00:47:53] That's a good point.

[00:47:55] You feel like they're doing a bit of everything there.

[00:47:57] I mean, some of the other show business shows, I mean, if I did that with 30 Rock.

[00:48:02] And if you've seen Girls 5 ever, I recommend that.

[00:48:05] Oh, yes. It's fantastic.

[00:48:06] The girl's hand is like no amount of fame and doing a reality show is going to bring back our just cool feel that we had when we were actually a group.

[00:48:15] You know, I don't know.

[00:48:18] I think people just are getting just more patient with they want the comedy to go wherever it is and just have it.

[00:48:26] It doesn't necessarily always have to be nutty.

[00:48:28] It can just be just.

[00:48:30] It doesn't have to be campy either.

[00:48:32] It can just be just its own crazy journey.

[00:48:35] Oh, here's what I like about comedy.

[00:48:37] I it was easy for me to say what I didn't like.

[00:48:40] So I think maybe what I like is when we see familiar faces that we've seen work together, work together on a new project.

[00:48:49] I think that that to me says there's going to be something.

[00:48:53] Yeah, they're evolving and there's going to be something in there that I will like and it will be worth my time because there is so much garbage out there right now.

[00:49:00] Unfortunately.

[00:49:01] So if I see like it's a Tina Fey production, I know I'm probably going to like it more than something with people I've never heard of.

[00:49:08] That's not to say I won't try the other thing, but I'm not that's true confidence.

[00:49:11] When when Kimmy Schmidt came around, it was just funny seeing is like, yes, this is absolutely a Tina Fey production.

[00:49:18] It's not just that she's got some of her actors like Jane Krakowski on there.

[00:49:21] Oh, it's clearly.

[00:49:23] Yeah, it's like just listen to how it is.

[00:49:25] It's like there's all these tongue twisters and it still all makes sense is like that's her signature.

[00:49:30] She knows how to go on this.

[00:49:32] Oh, do you think Jon Hamm is going to be a guest on Only Murders?

[00:49:35] I would love that.

[00:49:37] He's so funny.

[00:49:39] Oh, so I wanted to be like insane.

[00:49:42] Yes.

[00:49:43] So the wild.

[00:49:44] A bad guy.

[00:49:45] So Jinx, my sister said the same prediction.

[00:49:49] Oh, that's three of us.

[00:49:51] That means it's going to come true.

[00:49:53] Yes.

[00:49:54] Manifest.

[00:49:55] Manifest.

[00:49:56] There you go.

[00:49:57] So I don't know if anyone here seen Barry.

[00:50:01] I've seen a couple episodes and it's weird, but I like it.

[00:50:05] So long story short, I got COVID.

[00:50:07] And I've been just all of it in those two weeks.

[00:50:10] And great.

[00:50:13] I had no time for running on TV and I got caught up on a great show.

[00:50:17] Jon Hamm plays a asshole version of himself in one of his hallucinations.

[00:50:21] Like he just comes over to his place and says, hey, you got a place where I could take a dump?

[00:50:25] I love him as a villain.

[00:50:27] Like he always plays like he does comedy so well.

[00:50:31] I mean, Mad Men, you could technically say is a villain.

[00:50:33] He is a villain.

[00:50:34] Yes, he is.

[00:50:35] Don Grapple is one of the worst people.

[00:50:37] The worst person ever.

[00:50:39] Look at everybody on Yellowstone.

[00:50:41] We all want to know our TV show, which is also New York as hell.

[00:50:45] It's like they're all awful people.

[00:50:47] But I understand why they're in this awful profession, because everybody trying to kill him is somehow five times worse than them.

[00:50:53] See, even on Good Omens, when he's technically supposed to be playing a good character, he's kind of a bad guy until the end.

[00:51:00] No gaming for the win.

[00:51:01] Well, I mean, look at Lucifer, another Gale Man production.

[00:51:05] He's like, yeah, like he's he's a danger to himself and others.

[00:51:10] And then at the last minute, he saves the day from all the other powers of darkness.

[00:51:14] I mean, look at Ash Williams on Evil Dead.

[00:51:16] Like they did his TV show for three years.

[00:51:18] And it was like he always he's both a Kenny and a Leroy Jenkins.

[00:51:22] He either gets everything ruined for everybody and then he saves it at the last minute.

[00:51:27] Like he somehow finds a curse in a bug or finds another unusual way.

[00:51:33] He's like a morally neutral character.

[00:51:36] Yeah, I mean, look at Gizmo and Grimlas.

[00:51:39] He unintentionally spawns all the different, you know, killer creatures that, you know, spawn from them.

[00:51:45] And then he finds a way to put them in their place.

[00:51:48] You know, it's just it's OK to be a danger to yourself and others as long as you put it away at the end of the day.

[00:51:56] I'm glad you're not a lawyer.

[00:51:59] That's a terrible.

[00:52:01] I'm the worst.

[00:52:02] Oh, look at suits.

[00:52:04] Those guys screw up their entire careers.

[00:52:07] And one of them is technically spoiler not a lawyer.

[00:52:10] He just took great.

[00:52:12] He's pulled a Steve Jobs or Bill Gates where he was taking note outside the classroom and knew how to get by.

[00:52:19] Doesn't that also happen in community?

[00:52:21] That's why Jeff Winger has to be.

[00:52:23] Yeah, school.

[00:52:24] Community is a good takeaway.

[00:52:26] Take away because it's like I know some people hated how some of the people were leaving, but I mean, I want that movie.

[00:52:32] And I know it's coming out.

[00:52:33] But like even look at psych.

[00:52:35] He's not a psychic and they're not good privatized, but it doesn't matter.

[00:52:39] They're good at solving the thing at the end of the day.

[00:52:42] And it's ultimately not about the mystery as it is just the amusing mayhem.

[00:52:46] There's physical comedy.

[00:52:48] There's pop culture references.

[00:52:49] There's and that's what I like about all these shows.

[00:52:51] There's humor for everybody.

[00:52:53] Like you guys said, there's urban humor.

[00:52:55] There's teacher humor.

[00:52:57] There's workplace humor.

[00:52:58] There's other mockumentary humor.

[00:53:00] There's just like there's dating humor.

[00:53:02] It was like, see.

[00:53:04] And you know, only murders is again.

[00:53:08] It if anything, it's getting all kinds of people interested in just different kinds of behind the scenes kind of stuff.

[00:53:15] Like if more people want to be a podcaster after this, go for it.

[00:53:19] Knock yourself out.

[00:53:21] This is a podcast again.

[00:53:24] I don't know.

[00:53:25] I don't know.

[00:53:26] It's a terrible word, but I love it.

[00:53:28] Well, I just made it up on the fly.

[00:53:30] Improb, baby.

[00:53:31] Improb.

[00:53:33] I applaud anybody who wants to do something different instead of just like you guys say, get too comfy and you're like, come on.

[00:53:43] I remember this show called 24 starting TV Sutherland.

[00:53:48] I love this show so much and I didn't even know why.

[00:53:51] And I would dream about it.

[00:53:53] Yes.

[00:53:54] I would dream about it, dream about it.

[00:53:56] And people would be like, okay, cool.

[00:53:57] And then I think I went to season two and then I realized I liked it because I had a crush on Alicia Cuthbert.

[00:54:05] I would write poetry about this show.

[00:54:08] I didn't even understand.

[00:54:10] Like I didn't comprehend why I love this so much.

[00:54:12] Come on.

[00:54:13] It's just like an elongated.

[00:54:15] I don't know.

[00:54:16] Fun fact.

[00:54:17] Yeah.

[00:54:18] So that had writers from every place on planet Earth from Miami Vice and Buffy and everything.

[00:54:25] You'll love this for an apolitical show.

[00:54:27] They actually never threw any temper tantrums.

[00:54:30] Like there was never a moment where, fuck this, I'm out.

[00:54:33] I'm leaving.

[00:54:34] Wow.

[00:54:35] If you can believe it, you know, just like the West Wing, tensions were high.

[00:54:38] It's like we're trying the president and we're portraying, you know, doomsday device and we're doing Hitchcock type suspense every week.

[00:54:45] And we just made more work for ourselves by, you know, just like in Twitter, when shows like the Terminator show and Prison Break were out and even Chuck and community, people would start interacting and saying, hey, this story storyline isn't very good.

[00:54:59] And people were able to correct.

[00:55:00] Correct.

[00:55:01] And this is before fandom got toxic and started doing the whole I want to play God, jury and executioner.

[00:55:06] But yeah, no one for an implausible show.

[00:55:10] No one ever did.

[00:55:11] I politically disagree on that.

[00:55:13] That would never happen.

[00:55:14] It was always.

[00:55:15] And again, there were some conservatives.

[00:55:17] There were some Democrats.

[00:55:18] There were some there were some in betweeners on that show, and they all were just like, that's just too absurd.

[00:55:23] How are we going to write ourselves out of that?

[00:55:25] Or no, no, you're being ridiculous now.

[00:55:27] Come on.

[00:55:28] Let's they got to find a different way to turn off the bomb.

[00:55:30] You know, do you think that there's been a shift towards professionalism then?

[00:55:34] Because I know back in the day we would have these actors and writers known for being volatile.

[00:55:39] And it was always like, oh, it's OK.

[00:55:42] They're an artist.

[00:55:43] And now we're more like, no, it's not OK.

[00:55:46] There are a lot of great artists who can act like professionals and do their job.

[00:55:50] I mean, exactly.

[00:55:51] I think you're right.

[00:55:52] I think a lot of people were good at masking in and then it got to the point like.

[00:55:56] Like, for instance, like Sopranos wasn't toxic, but it did have some cynics who went on to later do some stuff where they got in trouble lost.

[00:56:04] I've heard terrible things behind the scenes on the writing staff on that.

[00:56:10] And yeah, I mean, Dick Wolf, if he ever heard one thing, he was like, you're fired or you're going to anger management.

[00:56:16] So don't fuck around.

[00:56:18] Star Trek was pretty good about just.

[00:56:23] Leave everyone alone and let them portray the character they want.

[00:56:26] But don't get me wrong.

[00:56:27] There's been. Yeah, there's been so many other ones where you're like, ah, you guys did pretty good.

[00:56:31] I thought there was some actual sexual tension there.

[00:56:35] Or I thought you loved working with this guy because it just felt so great.

[00:56:40] And then you just hear.

[00:56:41] I think it was the good wife.

[00:56:43] You heard how Juliana Margulies and Archie Punjabi, like they were both jealous of each other's success.

[00:56:49] And then they got to where they had to film with their stand ins.

[00:56:52] I'm like, good grief.

[00:56:53] That's that's hard.

[00:56:54] It makes me want to watch the behind the scenes more than it makes me want to.

[00:57:00] Exactly.

[00:57:00] We do.

[00:57:01] I want to see the behind the scenes of community where someone is about to punch Chevy Chase in the face saying, get.

[00:57:06] Oh, my gosh.

[00:57:07] Yeah.

[00:57:08] I can't imagine working with him.

[00:57:10] He was one of those.

[00:57:12] Basically, he got impatient with the long days.

[00:57:14] It's like, I get that it's a long day, dude, but you're getting paid.

[00:57:17] You're an actor.

[00:57:19] What did you think you signed up for if you wanted a nine to five?

[00:57:21] You could have negotiated with your agent and said, I'll do two hours a day and work it in.

[00:57:27] Cool.

[00:57:27] But I think a lot of people will blindly just say yes and then go.

[00:57:32] It's just no for me.

[00:57:33] I mean, and kudos to those who get out of comedy when they do, because I think a lot of people will blindly just say yes and then go.

[00:57:38] I think a lot of stuff.

[00:57:40] It could.

[00:57:41] I'll put it this way.

[00:57:42] I'm not saying about political correctness or the thing.

[00:57:45] I'm just saying some stuff probably could have only been made in the time frame.

[00:57:48] It could have gotten made like X-Files would be terrible if they made today because.

[00:57:53] Oh, yeah.

[00:57:54] Their government conspiracy theories weren't wild enough.

[00:57:56] Well, and people would misinterpret it as like, we're talking about you, dumbass.

[00:58:00] Yeah.

[00:58:01] You and your Info Wars.

[00:58:02] You and your Jim's.

[00:58:03] But that's all entertainment.

[00:58:04] Like all entertainment makes more sense in the time it's written for the most part.

[00:58:08] Absolutely.

[00:58:09] Like Jane Austen things still apply today.

[00:58:11] People are still gossipy.

[00:58:13] They're still terrible.

[00:58:14] Relationships are largely dictated by the people not even in the relationships.

[00:58:19] But there a lot of it is so specific to the time.

[00:58:23] Yes.

[00:58:24] When you make adaptations now, you really do have to modernize and humor is no different.

[00:58:29] Humor.

[00:58:29] Yeah.

[00:58:30] I mean, Seinfeld and friends, a lot of gags would probably backfire.

[00:58:33] They'd probably be canceled.

[00:58:34] You'd be like, that's really douchey of you to say.

[00:58:37] Friends does not stand up if you rewatch it now.

[00:58:40] For a lot of reasons, not just the commentary, but the production style, the laugh track, the lifestyles they're living.

[00:58:49] We kind of want a little more reality.

[00:58:51] Oh, well, Steph is going to hate me here.

[00:58:53] There's a lot of older detective shows and lawyer shows I like, but then there's other ones where like Mannix or Matlock just would piss me off.

[00:59:00] I'm like, God damn, that music is driving me nuts.

[00:59:03] I've never seen Matlock.

[00:59:05] I've never seen it.

[00:59:06] I've heard mixed reviews on it.

[00:59:07] I mean, well, it's okay, but it's just like, I like Hunter and Kojak because there's at least a lot of different like twists to everything.

[00:59:16] And the guest stars are really neat.

[00:59:18] Seeing evil Leslie Nielsen and Judith Light before they were famous was a treat.

[00:59:25] And seeing this other stuff, you're like, see, that was fun.

[00:59:28] Like, and there's other shows where you're just like, take those two cast members away.

[00:59:34] Nothing here sticks.

[00:59:36] Like, yeah.

[00:59:37] Yeah.

[00:59:37] A lot of older shows did hang on one or two cast members.

[00:59:41] They really carried it.

[00:59:43] All right.

[00:59:44] Don't ever start in criminal minds.

[00:59:45] I'm just like, good grief guys.

[00:59:47] Get along.

[00:59:48] Um, in fact, that, that show, I don't know how it survived when there was a cinematographer touching everybody inappropriately and a few other writers and actors being douches behind the scene.

[01:00:01] But yeah, I mean, I kudos to anybody who can just again, filter it out, make it work and say, hey, if you don't bring it, I'm going to make you look bad on screen.

[01:00:12] Yeah.

[01:00:13] I wouldn't want to work here.

[01:00:14] I wouldn't want to work here.

[01:00:14] And I would probably pick the worst take just because you're driving us crazy.

[01:00:19] Yeah, you would think people would be more concerned about professional sabotage.

[01:00:24] Yes.

[01:00:25] It's like, okay.

[01:00:27] I mean, look at actors when they're at the time of their lives, they're doing a great movie or show.

[01:00:33] And then look at Bruce Willis when he did all those awful direct video movies before he retired.

[01:00:37] You're like, oh, the mighties have fallen.

[01:00:41] How'd you get here?

[01:00:41] Oh, these producers tricked you into doing these movies.

[01:00:45] And you're almost set in.

[01:00:47] Exactly.

[01:00:47] It's awful.

[01:00:48] It is awful.

[01:00:50] Yeah.

[01:00:50] Stars like that fall.

[01:00:51] Like I was talking about Wesley Snipes, one of my favorite 90s action heroes.

[01:00:57] He was one of the few I gave a chance on direct video, but there were some duds where you're like, yeah.

[01:01:01] I feel bad.

[01:01:02] Like he made really great, cool movies back in the past.

[01:01:05] Why did your agent not pay your taxes again?

[01:01:08] I know.

[01:01:09] I just feel bad that he did this.

[01:01:11] Like in my mind, it's like, why did you do this?

[01:01:13] It is a shame.

[01:01:15] It's a shame to see the wasted talent.

[01:01:18] Exactly.

[01:01:19] It was just so cool.

[01:01:20] Don't you hate it when you see a great show where it's like, it's good otherwise, but then they bring an older actor and just whoever added the makeup just does not look good.

[01:01:30] You know, you're like, man, that looks rough.

[01:01:32] Some of that's remastering for high def TV too.

[01:01:36] I'm talking more recent, like 2000s, 2010s.

[01:01:39] Oh, that bad.

[01:01:41] Like I would see an actor on Chuck is like, that was the funny cameo.

[01:01:44] But I'm like, man, that person has seen better days.

[01:01:47] What the hell?

[01:01:50] That's revenge is what that is.

[01:01:52] That's revenge for all the, you talk bad to makeup.

[01:01:55] I'll have my last word.

[01:01:57] I'm sorry, Jalen.

[01:01:58] What were you saying?

[01:01:59] Definitely.

[01:01:59] I remember revenge because I think one of my friends would always tell me you're Victoria Grace and you're, and I was like, wait, why?

[01:02:07] What do you mean?

[01:02:08] I don't even know about the character.

[01:02:10] Am I a villain?

[01:02:12] I'm like, she was like, you're Victoria Grace.

[01:02:14] Okay.

[01:02:15] So I tried to ask him my friends, like anybody see this?

[01:02:18] Why is she calling me that?

[01:02:20] Now I want to know.

[01:02:21] It's funny you bring up that.

[01:02:22] That kind of brought back the primetime soap.

[01:02:25] So I'm like, there's an audience for everyone again nowadays, but yet sometimes it's still not good enough.

[01:02:31] So all I can say is, yeah, take people who are going to behave and actually take direction.

[01:02:39] Yeah.

[01:02:41] Uh, cause like, I can't, I keep bringing up Larry Sanders, like the toxic person on there was ripped horn.

[01:02:46] And it's hard to imagine him not being the Johnny Carson inspired producer guy making jokes and everybody else got along, but misbehaved on other sets.

[01:02:56] And again, I don't think that would apply today. I think everyone would be like, this guy's acting crazy in his trailer.

[01:03:03] We got to write them out, you know?

[01:03:04] And at the same time, people just got to be creative. Like, I think they got to be more guarded on set.

[01:03:11] I'm not saying be secretive. If a crime happened, you know, link it to the media.

[01:03:15] But now I'll see people who will sneak on and they'll just add baseless rumors to try to kill a show and all the clickbait sites jump on it.

[01:03:23] And it's like, Oh my goodness. Is it, have you even seen this show? That's not what it's about.

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[01:04:54] You know, after something like the rust shooting, I really do hope everybody's does background checks.

[01:05:00] It's like, Hey, this guy, nothing personal.

[01:05:03] They've gotten 20 complaints.

[01:05:04] You shouldn't hire them.

[01:05:06] Yeah.

[01:05:07] Yeah.

[01:05:07] And I think some of that is it's greed and it's cost cutting because, you know, it takes a little time to do background checks and it takes some money and you're cutting corners, but you're still coming in above budget.

[01:05:21] You're still making money.

[01:05:22] Um, I don't care if they're great at dinner.

[01:05:25] It's the greed thing.

[01:05:25] They might be hell on set.

[01:05:27] Yeah.

[01:05:28] They're probably great at lunch because you said you were buying.

[01:05:31] Well, in any other industry, you would have that, you know, if you're in construction, you know, you hope you would have that.

[01:05:37] Um, but definitely in any kind of industry where you're handling, uh, like a real gun instead of a plastic or a 3d printed gun, they could have easily used that.

[01:05:47] No, that's true too.

[01:05:49] And I mean, we talked about effects earlier again, you know, like the music happens on, uh, only murders when it needs to not every scene.

[01:05:58] And it's so beautiful.

[01:06:00] Like I love that piano.

[01:06:01] I would love to listen to it on iTunes.

[01:06:03] Um, it's kind of calming music, kind of meditation music.

[01:06:07] So I think if anything, it's a de-stressing pill.

[01:06:10] If that makes better sense, I guess.

[01:06:13] It is cozy.

[01:06:15] Uh, so fun fact, but my sister watches a lot of extra TV.

[01:06:21] Like I I'm spending too much time working out, uh, to kill my insomnia during the day before I record awesome episodes like this.

[01:06:28] But next thing you know, I see that ABC, they were airing some newer movies that only came out like last year.

[01:06:34] I'm like, Oh, that's the one Matt Damon, Ben Affleck movie about.

[01:06:38] Yeah.

[01:06:39] The Nikes.

[01:06:39] It just premieres.

[01:06:41] You're like, yeah.

[01:06:41] And then next thing, uh, uh, a few months prior, she's like, Oh, they're showing reruns of other Disney plus and Hulu shows.

[01:06:50] Guess what?

[01:06:50] They re aired.

[01:06:51] I'm like, what only murders.

[01:06:52] It was funny seeing them censor out the cursing by Steve Martin and Selena in their closeups, like censoring their mouse.

[01:06:59] I'm like, that's wild.

[01:07:00] Was it still funny?

[01:07:01] Yeah, it was cozy.

[01:07:02] It was fun.

[01:07:02] Like, okay.

[01:07:03] So it might have syndication figured out for you.

[01:07:06] Cause I guess too.

[01:07:08] I guess it also helps that the cursing is not the only punchline.

[01:07:11] You know what I mean?

[01:07:12] Oh, definitely not.

[01:07:13] And it's always, um, it might be like dead like me.

[01:07:16] Cause like we saw the reruns of that on sci-fi channel.

[01:07:19] And then we age universal HD or HD net would show uncut reruns.

[01:07:25] Cause it was originally a Showtime show.

[01:07:27] So it was even funnier.

[01:07:28] We're seeing people streaking and just utter not safe for work language.

[01:07:33] And we're like, Oh, it's still funny, but it's even funnier.

[01:07:36] Yeah.

[01:07:37] Sometimes, sometimes the editing can, can make it even better.

[01:07:41] It very well could be.

[01:07:42] I mean, it might be like early South Park where it's still funny.

[01:07:45] You just had one less poop reference, you know, it's just like, okay, cool.

[01:07:49] It's still funny.

[01:07:50] If you want the, think of it like a movie, you want the special edition by the full Blu

[01:07:55] Ray, you know, pack set with all the versions, you know, by Hulu extra plus all the swear.

[01:08:01] Hulu extra plus.

[01:08:02] I love it.

[01:08:03] You should work for corporate.

[01:08:04] Hulu max.

[01:08:06] Hulu max.

[01:08:07] Wow.

[01:08:08] Well, then they got a swearing and like X amount of nudity, you know, like three bucks

[01:08:13] a show or something.

[01:08:14] Hey, they used to have a lot of stuff that was on HBO max.

[01:08:18] And then they took it down.

[01:08:19] I'm like, are you serious?

[01:08:20] Nope.

[01:08:21] That's right in the early days when they were trying to get people to buy their subscription.

[01:08:25] Yes.

[01:08:26] Bored husband comes home from work.

[01:08:28] Hey, quality.

[01:08:32] I swear it's for research.

[01:08:35] Sure.

[01:08:35] We've reached the part of the podcast where I'm pitching terrible business ideas.

[01:08:39] You know, it would be ironic if someone actually revealed this was born out of an awful pitch

[01:08:44] meeting and it became a miracle because that happens to where you're just like, like, believe

[01:08:51] it or not, the first show which HBO actually lost the rights to was tells from the crypt.

[01:08:56] And that that started the whole it's not TV slogan, because that's what they were saying.

[01:09:01] And I'm so glad that the second episode was the original pilot that got them to pick up,

[01:09:07] but they used a totally different episode.

[01:09:08] And that's been a fun show to go through again, because so many future blockbuster directors

[01:09:13] get their start on there.

[01:09:14] And again, you want to talk star power.

[01:09:18] I mentioned a few select episode.

[01:09:20] Everyone's like, oh, my God, I saw that one.

[01:09:23] The one with Demi Moore, the one with Mimi Rogers and the supermodels.

[01:09:26] That was hysterical.

[01:09:29] The one does that hold up?

[01:09:30] Yeah.

[01:09:31] OK.

[01:09:32] Oh, my God.

[01:09:32] You can see every episode on YouTube.

[01:09:34] But my issue is, why is it not on Max?

[01:09:37] Why don't you buy the rights back?

[01:09:39] Come on.

[01:09:41] That's like there's so many.

[01:09:43] It's like again, it's like perfect Twilight Zone where.

[01:09:46] The bigger picture is so well illustrated.

[01:09:49] And again, it's meant to be darkly comedic.

[01:09:51] So I think that's why I dug it when I saw parts of it in school.

[01:09:54] It wasn't just the great actors and.

[01:09:57] Movie production design, you know, I mean.

[01:10:01] So, Steph, what show are you currently rewatching aside from Murder, She Wrote, which rules?

[01:10:06] Yeah.

[01:10:07] So I recently just did a rewatch of Girls 5 ever because I'd been pitching it to my.

[01:10:12] Woo.

[01:10:13] My friends and family and I.

[01:10:15] It moved to Netflix.

[01:10:16] So I was able to see it without commercials.

[01:10:19] What?

[01:10:19] Yeah.

[01:10:20] Because I've been watching it on.

[01:10:21] I want to say Peacock.

[01:10:23] Yes.

[01:10:24] The ads are insufferable.

[01:10:25] Even when you got even commercial free, you're like an ad's coming up.

[01:10:29] Yeah.

[01:10:29] And I've been doing a rewatch of King of the Hill, which I have to say really still holds

[01:10:35] up in 2024.

[01:10:37] It's such a good show.

[01:10:38] So I think Greg Daniels is a genius.

[01:10:41] It's really painful for me.

[01:10:41] Well, yeah, you live in Texas.

[01:10:42] Yes.

[01:10:43] So I need dipshits like that all the time.

[01:10:45] But you know what?

[01:10:46] The earth is flat.

[01:10:47] Yeah.

[01:10:48] I mean, I'm exposed to that too.

[01:10:50] You know, even though I'm in a, like a different time zone, we still have, we're still having

[01:10:55] these same discussions.

[01:10:56] And in some ways that's horrible.

[01:10:59] But that's what makes it funnier.

[01:11:01] People would have gotten smarter.

[01:11:02] History repeats itself.

[01:11:04] Yeah.

[01:11:05] So I'm just doing rewatches.

[01:11:06] And then the best new movie I've seen recently has been Lisa Frankenstein.

[01:11:11] Oh, by Robin Williams' daughter.

[01:11:13] Is that who did it?

[01:11:15] Yes.

[01:11:15] It's so good.

[01:11:16] It's so funny.

[01:11:17] It's sweet.

[01:11:18] It's familiar without being derivative of the source material.

[01:11:23] Zelda Williams.

[01:11:23] Yeah.

[01:11:24] It's really, really well written.

[01:11:26] So that's my recommendation.

[01:11:27] I'll look forward to that.

[01:11:28] Okay.

[01:11:29] Sweet.

[01:11:30] Jalen, what have you been rewatching recently?

[01:11:33] Speaking of TV binges.

[01:11:36] I've been rewatching.

[01:11:37] You're on so many panels.

[01:11:38] You're on so many.

[01:11:39] And that's great.

[01:11:40] I, you, you're always in depth.

[01:11:42] You're always.

[01:11:42] I try.

[01:11:43] Oh, you don't try.

[01:11:44] It's second nature, baby.

[01:11:46] Second nature.

[01:11:47] Thank you.

[01:11:48] Thank you, Cam.

[01:11:49] Well, I'm rewatching.

[01:11:50] That was an Aussie accent.

[01:11:52] With a friend.

[01:11:52] Oh, thank you.

[01:11:54] Sorry.

[01:11:55] You can't.

[01:11:56] I always like to like, I think, play with accents because I have no accent.

[01:12:00] I'm Egyptian.

[01:12:02] I'm like trying to do whatever I can.

[01:12:06] Yeah.

[01:12:07] You don't have this.

[01:12:08] You don't have to understand that.

[01:12:10] You have to meet more Egyptians to understand it.

[01:12:12] This is me.

[01:12:13] Oh my goodness.

[01:12:14] I try.

[01:12:15] But I was like in an American British school.

[01:12:18] Oh, yes.

[01:12:19] You've got that accent.

[01:12:20] What the hell.

[01:12:23] Exactly.

[01:12:25] I always like guys.

[01:12:27] It's called Jen.

[01:12:27] They'd be like, no, it's jelly.

[01:12:28] I'm like really all my life.

[01:12:30] I've been taught in school that it's them.

[01:12:31] So many things like that.

[01:12:33] Okay.

[01:12:35] So for me, I think.

[01:12:41] I'm rewatching Rest of Development with a friend.

[01:12:44] Oh my goodness.

[01:12:45] With a girl's friend because we just like throwing all the jokes back and forth between

[01:12:50] each other.

[01:12:50] We just.

[01:12:51] Such a good show.

[01:12:52] Hey, Jalen.

[01:12:54] I love it.

[01:12:55] It's brilliant.

[01:12:56] It is.

[01:12:58] And now are you.

[01:13:00] When you're rewatching it.

[01:13:02] Are you finding new things that you missed the first time or two you watched it.

[01:13:08] Exactly.

[01:13:09] Like even finding myself loving more characters like.

[01:13:12] And yet I can still watch it.

[01:13:15] Me too.

[01:13:16] I can't.

[01:13:17] I just can't.

[01:13:17] You know what I mean?

[01:13:17] Like I can't like get over them.

[01:13:20] That was a brilliant casting.

[01:13:25] Wonderful.

[01:13:26] Just wonderful.

[01:13:27] I don't know.

[01:13:28] For me, I think we're just discovering Buster.

[01:13:31] Yes.

[01:13:32] He's Tony Hale is so good.

[01:13:34] And he's in other things and he's unrecognizable and other things.

[01:13:40] That's kind of the beauty of it.

[01:13:42] Just all those chameleons got together and they went to the next stage of their career.

[01:13:45] Some of them were at like stage five of their career.

[01:13:47] So now they're at like stage seven and they're just still on fire.

[01:13:50] So are your friends liking it as much as you do?

[01:13:55] Crazy because my friend, we're like talking.

[01:13:58] Why isn't anyone in our circle liking this show?

[01:14:01] Are we crazy?

[01:14:02] And I told him, you know what?

[01:14:03] Because we have dysfunctional.

[01:14:05] We're not dysfunctional.

[01:14:07] We're not dysfunctional.

[01:14:09] And my mother, to be fair, like my mother and sister really loved it.

[01:14:13] And my father, for whatever reason, he loved his share of crazy comedy.

[01:14:17] And that was just him and my aunt, who is very weird, couldn't stand it.

[01:14:22] And it's like, I think it's just one of those.

[01:14:26] Because we joked about this when we did a discussion on the Purge movies.

[01:14:29] If it reminds you of your own bad ideas, you're probably not going to like it.

[01:14:34] You know what I mean?

[01:14:35] Yeah.

[01:14:37] Too much of a mirror.

[01:14:38] It's like, yeah.

[01:14:39] She's talking about the Purge because then it will bring attention to their awful cause.

[01:14:42] And then you don't see any people who.

[01:14:45] Yeah.

[01:14:46] And I mean, look at even George Romero movies, how people, some people watched it because they were gore hounds.

[01:14:53] And the people like us who actually saw it and knew the social commentary he was talking about, how we eat each other alive as a society, the bigger picture.

[01:15:01] So I think a rest of development is another one where it's like, you can still enjoy it, even if you had a messed up lifestyle.

[01:15:07] But I don't know.

[01:15:09] Exactly.

[01:15:09] I feel like there needs to be more trailers or TV recaps to get people in to summarize each season or something.

[01:15:15] I don't know.

[01:15:17] Because like.

[01:15:18] It's a great track.

[01:15:19] It's insane and funny and just very smart too.

[01:15:23] Yes.

[01:15:25] If you like that, I recommend both of Andy Richter's classic sitcoms.

[01:15:32] Oh, Andy Richter controls the universe was so funny and it ended too soon.

[01:15:37] And it's all on YouTube and daily.

[01:15:38] Okay, I'm going to watch these.

[01:15:40] It's absurd.

[01:15:40] If you like, if you like absurdity, I, you know, the tick is also like that where it's absurd comedy.

[01:15:47] Oh my goodness.

[01:15:48] Just watch all these.

[01:15:50] I mean, they're short.

[01:15:51] There was so many other sitcoms, which I'm finding just obscure ones now on YouTube.

[01:15:55] And like, oh man, someone should remaster that.

[01:15:58] I mean, I've.

[01:15:59] I've gone through all of Oz and St.

[01:16:01] Elsewhere, and I think those shows are timeless, but some other people have said I dropped off by season, whatever.

[01:16:07] And it's like, I get it.

[01:16:08] Some some stuff just eats people up or gets too repetitive, even though they change each year.

[01:16:13] I mean, I do have fun seeing where some of the sci fi or spy shows fall apart or even some of the anthology ones are like once they start choosing these kinds of episodes.

[01:16:24] I hate this.

[01:16:26] And.

[01:16:28] Other times it's just fun seeing what they experiment with.

[01:16:30] I mean, X files.

[01:16:32] I'm having fun going through even the bad episodes because they had a cool premise.

[01:16:36] It just was the ending killed it, you know, or whatever, you know, it just and it's just.

[01:16:43] But it is funny how you bring up the rest of development.

[01:16:45] It is kind of one of those.

[01:16:46] It's like.

[01:16:47] When you talk about shows people have seen, it's almost kind of like the Deadwood or Stargate.

[01:16:52] Many people have seen it, but you don't you don't get those in every circle or they've seen it so long ago.

[01:16:57] I'm like, oh, it's been a minute.

[01:16:59] You know, so it is funny when doing these episodes and finding similar stuff to talk about.

[01:17:03] You're like, you know, and I've had to do that with some of my other retro members of my staff where I'm just like, OK, you don't have to buy every episode.

[01:17:11] So just go off of memory on this one, buddy and the other guys, you know, they remember it just like it was yesterday and can tell you from day one why it took off for them, why they tuned in each week, why they set the VCR to record.

[01:17:23] And then there's other ones where you're like, yeah, give me a year.

[01:17:26] I need to brush up my own self.

[01:17:29] Don't make it become work.

[01:17:31] Don't make it become work.

[01:17:33] Well, sometimes something that didn't stick with you when you were younger will stick with you later, because I firmly believe that if you watch the right show at the right time,

[01:17:41] wrong time, even if it's a great show, you're not going to you're not going to get it.

[01:17:46] Absolutely. Half of these things we all mentioned, you got a vengeance.

[01:17:50] Like, yeah, that was a thing.

[01:17:51] Watch. I don't mean like all day necessarily, but just like two to three a day.

[01:17:55] It will grow on you slowly, but surely.

[01:17:57] And then I mean, I didn't know if Ted Lasso was going to take off.

[01:18:01] And then 10 minutes in, we rewind.

[01:18:05] It became like Monty Python, where there's so much going on in every skit.

[01:18:09] Like characters are doing a funny thing that they you want to talk running gags there.

[01:18:14] Now they have a piece of cake when they said they were going to not eat that anymore.

[01:18:17] They're doing something that connects like to five episodes ago.

[01:18:20] But there's so much going on all at once.

[01:18:23] You do have to rewind it and you find something funny in each rewind as a result.

[01:18:28] So I mean, but like 10 minutes in, I was like, OK, I get it.

[01:18:33] I'm in.

[01:18:34] That was me and Derry Girls.

[01:18:36] Oh, my word.

[01:18:37] My sister's seen some of that.

[01:18:39] I need to see that.

[01:18:40] And I think it's Kim convenience store, I think, is another one.

[01:18:43] Is this there's just so many witty things out there and a little charming series like psych.

[01:18:49] I have loved more by binging, but I didn't really get that when just casually watching it.

[01:18:53] I was like, that was nutty or that was kind of funny.

[01:18:56] But now I'm like, oh, that's funny.

[01:18:58] So how do you feel that we have to wait for new episodes each week of Only Murders and Abbott Elementary?

[01:19:07] Rewatch it again.

[01:19:08] Fired.

[01:19:09] That's how good it is.

[01:19:10] If that's good, you can.

[01:19:11] I mean, I'm definitely going to go for Lazzo again.

[01:19:13] There's plenty of other stuff.

[01:19:15] I would want to rewatch now if I had all the time on planet Earth and I'm just like, you know, that's OK.

[01:19:22] This can wait 10 years from now and it'll be just like new.

[01:19:25] I mean, you don't want to overrate it for yourself and you don't want to kill the joy.

[01:19:29] And at the same time, you're like, hey, like I just went through all of Battlestar Galactica on Blu-ray again.

[01:19:34] And I was like, why is so much sci-fi now just dumb as a rock?

[01:19:39] And it's like and I was like, well, see, now hang on to it.

[01:19:44] Watch it again.

[01:19:44] Introduce it to other people.

[01:19:45] Like, I think we're going to get beyond just the whole I'm giving you my Hulu passcode or I'm loaning you my my disk.

[01:19:53] I think it's now to the point where we're just like, again, if you're still thinking about it, it's it's hit a special spot.

[01:20:01] You know, it's not and it's not just any spot.

[01:20:03] It's not just your heart.

[01:20:04] It's not just your soul.

[01:20:05] It's.

[01:20:07] The quality button is going off quality.

[01:20:10] Great passing grade.

[01:20:11] Great.

[01:20:12] You know, it's just it's kind of like when you see.

[01:20:16] You guys have been to your share of award shows and festivals and.

[01:20:20] Movie screenings and seen a very big audience participation.

[01:20:25] When you see that rare occasion, you know, again, you'll remember like it just yesterday.

[01:20:30] So I think.

[01:20:31] Even if you don't have time to rewatch any of this, just remember, it's like it's.

[01:20:36] Just keep outlining is like this found a special something in me.

[01:20:40] It unlocked another cool thing in me.

[01:20:42] I mean, I've had Libby Cudmore, who's a great author, very comedic mystery shows and books.

[01:20:49] And she's on the OST party for those who haven't listened to that hysterical soundtrack review show.

[01:20:55] And everything that she's a fan of, like, it's not just it's great.

[01:20:59] No one's talking about it.

[01:21:00] They should.

[01:21:01] And it's also like this unlocked a special side of me.

[01:21:04] I'm like, whoa, hey.

[01:21:06] Yeah.

[01:21:07] I read it.

[01:21:08] It was probably a tweet because I'm too online.

[01:21:10] But I read a tweet the other day that where someone was saying they have learned more about themselves and empathy and the world around them through fiction than through nonfiction.

[01:21:21] And I was like that.

[01:21:23] Wow.

[01:21:24] TV's got to be apparent, I guess.

[01:21:27] That's probably why we all love these shows.

[01:21:30] And we're sitting here talking about them today is because we're getting so much from this fiction.

[01:21:36] Gave me the feels, man.

[01:21:39] There's some shows I want to experience again and cry at.

[01:21:43] I don't know why.

[01:21:44] Yeah.

[01:21:44] My sister, I know, watches just some shows and she tells me that she studies personalities and humanities and goes back to work.

[01:21:53] She works as a sales executive in a company and she kind of analyzes people.

[01:21:58] Oh, wow.

[01:21:58] And starts, you know, like applying things.

[01:22:00] This is the narcissist.

[01:22:01] And it kind of works.

[01:22:02] So she watches Mad Men seriously after she went into corporate life because she was a teacher in the beginning.

[01:22:10] And then she made a huge career shift and became in corporate.

[01:22:13] And she watched it at the right time.

[01:22:15] And I'm like, girl, good for her.

[01:22:18] It's funny you spring that up.

[01:22:19] Because like my dad watched it briefly in the beginning in the early days of, hey, I missed the episode.

[01:22:28] I'm going to buy a whole season on iTunes, you know.

[01:22:30] And he'd be watching it.

[01:22:32] He was the king.

[01:22:33] He introduced me into the watch music or watch TV while you're working.

[01:22:39] Great compromise to get, you know, three things done all at once.

[01:22:43] And my mother could never watch it.

[01:22:45] Just the sexism was just too extreme for her.

[01:22:47] She's like, I know.

[01:22:48] My mom says it's too sad.

[01:22:50] She says there are too many people who are really like this.

[01:22:52] I'll give you another funny.

[01:22:55] Here's another funny tell spin.

[01:22:57] My uncle started watching it.

[01:23:00] And he is all about, you know, feel good.

[01:23:02] You know, can't be too violent.

[01:23:04] Can't be, you know, like he stopped watching some of the Star Wars shows that have been too intense for him.

[01:23:07] He's like, all I'm seeing is blaster fire.

[01:23:10] I want characters.

[01:23:11] I think there's something about the history.

[01:23:14] I think he was just able to just get into it.

[01:23:16] I was like, really?

[01:23:17] That's what?

[01:23:18] I would have thought it'd be too cynical or a little too just in your face.

[01:23:22] And he's like, no, I'm liking it.

[01:23:24] It's very well acted and worded.

[01:23:27] I'm like, okay, interesting.

[01:23:29] So, I mean, my mother doesn't like gangster movies, but she likes movies like Leon the Professional.

[01:23:35] And so, I was like, see, there's something that just, you know, I mean, I'm a hypocrite.

[01:23:42] I've been known to not like, there's some romantic comedies where I'm just like, see, that's just a good movie.

[01:23:48] It's not just catering to one audience over another or like I saw The Union with Holly Berry and Marky Mark.

[01:23:55] I really loved it a lot.

[01:23:56] I would have seen it in the theaters because it wasn't about the stunts or the next punchline as it was.

[01:24:01] Just the idea was fun and the charisma was off the chain.

[01:24:03] So, I was like, see, I would have seen that in the theater.

[01:24:06] That's a shame.

[01:24:07] I only got it straight to Netflix.

[01:24:09] So, you know, I mean, but it could have easily been bad.

[01:24:12] I've seen plenty of awful spy comedies.

[01:24:14] So, I was like, there is something that just, again, when it unearths that other side that you didn't know you had bottled up,

[01:24:22] then it's just always a fun trip.

[01:24:24] And that's exciting.

[01:24:25] And then you go and find other media.

[01:24:27] I'm a big reader in addition to loving TV.

[01:24:30] And so, if I'm on a cozy mystery kick, then that's also what I want to be reading.

[01:24:36] Or if it's November, if it's novel writing month, then maybe I'm inspired to write something like that.

[01:24:42] So, every time I discover something in fiction, it kind of trickles into the rest of my life.

[01:24:49] That's lovely.

[01:24:51] I mean.

[01:24:51] Wow.

[01:24:52] You want that.

[01:24:53] But trickles a good way to put it.

[01:24:55] I mean, I think these shows, it says a lot when all crowds are going out to see it.

[01:25:01] It's not just the star power.

[01:25:02] It's not just the weird premise.

[01:25:03] I mean, people who hate mysteries are tuning into Only Murders.

[01:25:07] People who don't really like the Machian Ries styles are defying at a clip that was re-shared at work about having us.

[01:25:15] Well, genres are shifting because we as audiences want more and we have access to more.

[01:25:22] And that's kind of nice because now we're exposed to things we wouldn't maybe ordinarily have thought to watch.

[01:25:30] Whatever we got to do.

[01:25:31] I mean, sometimes I think it is the marketing, though.

[01:25:35] They're having to market it to this crowd, even though it's not at all like that.

[01:25:39] I've seen that before where I saw a movie and it was more of a suspense film.

[01:25:43] But it looks, because there was an explosion, you thought there was going to be action.

[01:25:47] And horror, same deal.

[01:25:48] You thought, okay.

[01:25:49] It's like, well, it's more of a dark fantasy, but it's got a psycho in it.

[01:25:53] Oh, but that'll set someone up for failure, too, because if you walk into a movie with an expectation and it doesn't need it, it doesn't matter how good the movie is.

[01:26:01] You're going to feel unsatisfied.

[01:26:03] And they just got to fire the people doing the marketing trailers because they wonder why so many...

[01:26:09] Long legs.

[01:26:09] I walked into that one thinking I will be...

[01:26:13] Not just because of the marketing, the idea of the first three actions.

[01:26:16] It is the most sinister thing I've seen in my life.

[01:26:20] It will haunt me to my grief.

[01:26:22] I went like, what?

[01:26:23] I feel oppressed already.

[01:26:25] Like, I feel the oppressive energy.

[01:26:26] And then I went and...

[01:26:29] Okay.

[01:26:30] Really?

[01:26:31] Really?

[01:26:32] And then I was like, I like Nick Cage as in his Nick Cage-ness.

[01:26:37] You know, like as in mad Nick Cage.

[01:26:39] Not as in something that will take me out of my bed and put me in the pit of darkness.

[01:26:45] No.

[01:26:45] No.

[01:26:46] So that was such a letdown for me, honestly.

[01:26:49] That's good to know because I was on the fence about if I wanted to see that.

[01:26:52] But I'll manage my expectations.

[01:26:54] So if I do...

[01:26:56] Own it.

[01:26:57] You guys go to all these screeners.

[01:26:59] I wait a year for the hype to die down on everything just so I don't...

[01:27:03] Just go in with neutral because reviewers like to give away the plot twists.

[01:27:07] That's smart.

[01:27:07] So there's a game my best friend and I play when we go to the theater.

[01:27:12] Her dad has season tickets and then he'll just give us whatever he doesn't want to see.

[01:27:16] So if it's something we've never heard of, we don't look up anything about it.

[01:27:21] And we'll look at the posters and we'll make predictions about what we think it's going to be

[01:27:26] about.

[01:27:27] And then we go see it and we see if our predictions match.

[01:27:30] And it's so much fun.

[01:27:32] So even if we both hate what we've seen, we still had a good time because we've made a game out of it.

[01:27:38] I got to introduce you to my sister then.

[01:27:40] She does the whole opening credits.

[01:27:42] Oh, six writers.

[01:27:44] Too many cooks.

[01:27:45] Yeah, it's a fun way to feel like you still have an investment in something even if you realize it's not what you expected.

[01:27:54] They load themselves into a corner.

[01:27:56] Can they write them out?

[01:27:56] Or maybe the ending will make up for the flaws in the first two acts.

[01:28:01] But that's way better than predict if this is going to make any money.

[01:28:08] I saw so many Facebook groups doing that back in the snobby 2010s and I was like, good freaking grief.

[01:28:14] Can we just post something without getting attacked?

[01:28:18] Like we just enjoy the movie?

[01:28:20] Fucking hell.

[01:28:21] I don't tell you you're a hack or you suck because you don't like what I don't like.

[01:28:27] Fuck off.

[01:28:29] God.

[01:28:29] There was one guy who was just like tearing everybody down, but he was kind of a crappy filmmaker.

[01:28:35] And I'm like, so when I was interviewing some other indie filmmakers who saw a so-called inspirational video he made, I was like, I'm going to cut out that part.

[01:28:42] You are not giving him free publicity.

[01:28:45] That dude is a dick.

[01:28:48] Is that common in filmmaker circles?

[01:28:52] That kind of professional disrespect?

[01:28:55] Bradley Cooper was on someone with Sean Hayes and the rest of the development guys, Bateman and Arnett.

[01:29:01] You know the podcast where they're all talking?

[01:29:04] No, it's not right.

[01:29:05] You haven't heard of that?

[01:29:07] I might have heard of it, but there are so many podcasts with people talking.

[01:29:11] No, it's a very well-known one.

[01:29:12] Like they did a video, Smartless.

[01:29:14] They even did a HBO Max showing them on the road, talking to everybody.

[01:29:19] Okay, so yeah, Smartless with Bateman, Arnett and Sean Hayes.

[01:29:22] And Bradley Cooper came on and said, you know, he was at an Oscars party and people he admired were coming up to him saying, I hope you lose, man.

[01:29:30] And he's like, well, I still like your work, but I'm glad I saw this ugly side of you because now I know I was going to invite you to my next project.

[01:29:41] So I'm telling you what.

[01:29:43] Fuck you.

[01:29:44] And so I think sometimes you do have to see everybody's side.

[01:29:48] It can't just be, oh, they've had too much to drink today or they're like that every Monday.

[01:29:53] No, come on.

[01:29:55] You're going to behave and you're going to, you know, like, again.

[01:30:00] I, it still pains me when I see certain conventions and half the cast is either passed away or doesn't want to talk to each other.

[01:30:07] I don't see that every time there's a reunion of, say, Will and Grace or the West Wing or something.

[01:30:12] It's like, no, those guys, they love each other.

[01:30:14] They can only handle certain aspects of each other for certain amounts of time, but we're all that way.

[01:30:18] That's not the same as.

[01:30:20] Yeah, that's different.

[01:30:21] To do a Blu-ray commentary track with you in the same room.

[01:30:24] Well, and as fans, we are more inclined to watch something if we think the cast like each other.

[01:30:28] I don't know why that is, but it's true.

[01:30:32] It can be excused on a movie like, hey, they went too far in the sex scene or so-and-so kept playing pranks on them.

[01:30:40] And that's why they gave such a great performance because they're really actually angry at them.

[01:30:44] But then, yeah, when it gets to a show, you're like, that's, that's almost, that's half a decade.

[01:30:48] That's a lot.

[01:30:49] Yeah, that's a professional commitment.

[01:30:50] When I saw Abby and Gibbs hated each other in CS, I'm like, good grief.

[01:30:57] How'd they get along for 10 seasons?

[01:31:00] Oh, they just film an opposite, just on view screens.

[01:31:04] I'm like, ah, jeez.

[01:31:05] But see, I really can't stand half the time when they do that now because it just shows.

[01:31:09] I'm like, yeah, they're really not talking.

[01:31:13] You can tell they haven't rehearsed this or the people directing it in such different styles.

[01:31:18] Like, I would see the CSIs do that and you're like, one's campy, the other's too serious, the other's stupid.

[01:31:25] For me, it's the ADR, the sound mixing is the giveaway.

[01:31:29] Oh, it's not even that.

[01:31:31] Like, they're in the same scene with each other, but it's just such a different acting style.

[01:31:34] It would be like if you put William Shatner and Pacino in the same room.

[01:31:38] Totally different hams, you know?

[01:31:40] Both want to be the star.

[01:31:42] Too much ego for just a damn, which should be a simple conversation.

[01:31:46] Hey, how are you doing?

[01:31:48] That's the person combination you could have brought up.

[01:31:50] That's why I'm doing it.

[01:31:52] It would be like if you put a bunch of Scream Queens in with, I don't know, a bunch of reality TV show stars.

[01:32:00] It wouldn't be a good combo.

[01:32:02] Yeah.

[01:32:03] If you put in a bunch of martial artists with wrestlers.

[01:32:06] Oh, God.

[01:32:07] It's not only going to be a Sajid's Fest.

[01:32:09] It's also just going to be really fucking stupid.

[01:32:12] I would want to watch that, though.

[01:32:15] I would be like, want to watch what they do to each other.

[01:32:18] Well, like, for instance, I still want to see Tulsa King, even though Stallone is an absolute prick.

[01:32:23] Like, you should not 40 extras complain.

[01:32:26] I'm taking their side.

[01:32:27] Why are you being a dick after reinventing yourself for a sixth time?

[01:32:32] You know, it's like good grief.

[01:32:35] But the quality kind of outshines just the bad days on filming.

[01:32:40] So all I can say is.

[01:32:43] Get a new staff and put the main star in his place.

[01:32:45] I don't know.

[01:32:46] You know, like Eddie Murphy has regretted himself so many times, but I don't think it's necessarily because he was an asshole.

[01:32:51] I think it was just.

[01:32:53] He just shifted kind of like Robin Williams and Willoughby Goldberg.

[01:32:56] He just did something different that made him happy.

[01:32:59] But kind of like Spielberg, he went.

[01:33:02] People forget when he did drama.

[01:33:04] He didn't.

[01:33:05] No one warmed up to him right away.

[01:33:06] Like, it's why I love watching the HBO documentary on him is like, yeah, they wanted more of Jaws and Indiana Jones.

[01:33:13] You're like, he wants to do stories that are very engaging, like the color purple.

[01:33:19] Schindler's List.

[01:33:20] It's not the same crowd.

[01:33:22] But sometimes it's just.

[01:33:25] I don't know, man.

[01:33:26] It doesn't have to be Russian roulette, but it also shouldn't have to be, again, working five jobs all at once.

[01:33:34] I think it's also the dilemma of the artist.

[01:33:36] You always wonder what should you do, what your heart calls or what people expect from you.

[01:33:42] And at the same time, are you going to lose audience or whatever?

[01:33:45] Sometimes I feel bad because I've heard this about a lot of people, you know, like how they want to go on this creative path.

[01:33:51] But they've already established this image or this success as one thing.

[01:33:55] So you wonder where just life takes them.

[01:33:59] Yeah.

[01:33:59] And that's sad.

[01:34:00] And you wish they could be financially stable enough that they wouldn't have to make that decision.

[01:34:05] That's a good point.

[01:34:06] There's a lot of stand-up guys who gave that up for talk show hosts.

[01:34:09] And you're like, ah, that pays the bills.

[01:34:11] But that's nowhere near your talent.

[01:34:13] You should be, you know, a funny, you should be hosting a stand-up show, if anything, instead of a game show.

[01:34:19] But like with any career, the immediate needs of our life often dictate what we end up doing.

[01:34:27] That's a good point, too.

[01:34:28] I mean, kudos to Martin and Short and Gomez for all, they kind of kept recreating themselves every decade.

[01:34:37] So I think that might be also why they got along, is it's like they're used to wearing different shoes and being so creative behind the scenes, you know, as producers, too.

[01:34:45] I mean, I kind of am that way with Coppola's new movie that's, you know, getting hammered with bad reviews.

[01:34:52] It's kind of like a losing sports team, but you're loyal to when they were actually a quality product.

[01:34:58] And so I'm like, ah, that was so stupid that you made that trailer with all those fake naysayers.

[01:35:04] That was really petty, actually.

[01:35:05] I agree with some stuff you've said in the past.

[01:35:08] I still want to see your movie because, again, you were a master at one point.

[01:35:12] I mean, I own all three versions of Apocalypse Now on that awesome 4K Blu-ray.

[01:35:16] But I'm just like, ah, well.

[01:35:19] I got to at least see it once because I am a diehard fan.

[01:35:22] But if it gets to that point where you're like, I can't recommend this to anybody else, like I wouldn't I wouldn't even want to review it because I'm.

[01:35:30] If I have even if I have something constructed to say, I don't want to really.

[01:35:36] People don't get any better when I naysay them anymore.

[01:35:39] And at the same that's a good point.

[01:35:41] But at the same time, Coppola is very much like his fellow friend, George Lucas, where any retort is a bad retort.

[01:35:49] And so you're like, well, you're not going to listen anyway.

[01:35:51] So why do I give a shit to, you know, waste my breath on you?

[01:35:54] Well, when you're that prolific to everything you do, can't be a banger.

[01:35:58] And if, you know, we all make mistakes.

[01:36:00] We all make bad decisions from time to time.

[01:36:03] We're lucky in that our creative output is doesn't have quite the audience.

[01:36:08] And so it isn't open to quite as much criticism.

[01:36:11] I mean, I might as well be a cultural plant or a sellout before I become a quality product.

[01:36:17] If someone wants to use me.

[01:36:22] That's the other thing, too.

[01:36:23] I mean, it's just.

[01:36:25] Sometimes you can be.

[01:36:27] I mean, Roger Ebert always loves something out there's there's good movies and there's just entertainment.

[01:36:32] You know, still gave it three stars.

[01:36:34] It's just I mean.

[01:36:36] Look at the gay deceivers.

[01:36:37] That's a movie you can like intentionally or unintentionally.

[01:36:40] Evil Dead.

[01:36:41] Same thing.

[01:36:42] People love it.

[01:36:42] They're like, oh, it's so trashy.

[01:36:44] I love it.

[01:36:44] Or.

[01:36:45] Oh, yeah, that's what you want.

[01:36:46] That's like eating a candy instead of dinner.

[01:36:49] You have all these different crowds going to it for different reasons and they all land.

[01:36:54] So I think that might be why some of these shows all tonight were.

[01:36:57] There might be people watching it just for light entertainment and it hit those.

[01:37:01] They didn't see the deeper stuff that was choked about.

[01:37:04] And that's OK.

[01:37:05] They're not.

[01:37:06] And then you watch it again.

[01:37:07] Sometimes when you rewatch things that you think were one thing, you realize maybe it's better or there's another layer to it or just the opposite.

[01:37:15] You rewatch something you thought was really funny and you're like, why did I ever like this?

[01:37:19] What was wrong?

[01:37:20] Oh, yeah, exactly.

[01:37:22] Knocked up.

[01:37:23] Knocked up.

[01:37:23] I watched it and felt immediate empathy for poor Katherine Heigl.

[01:37:29] Everything she said is true.

[01:37:31] They made her to be this stuck up bitch, this boring, unfunny person.

[01:37:35] And she's a very funny actress.

[01:37:36] And they give themselves all the credit.

[01:37:38] And she's a terrible character.

[01:37:40] And even like she can't even answer him back.

[01:37:43] Like I always like a smart, witty, you know, like comedic banter.

[01:37:48] They're making her like a stuck up.

[01:37:50] Judd Apatow for a so-called progressive never seems to.

[01:37:54] Everybody seems to always just be a perv in his movies.

[01:37:56] And that's what's kind of turned me off.

[01:37:58] I'm like, come on.

[01:38:00] It's terrible.

[01:38:00] And they're like rewarding even the pervs.

[01:38:03] You know what I mean?

[01:38:04] Like, it's just like I hate it.

[01:38:06] And I feel very bad for her.

[01:38:08] Trust me, dude.

[01:38:09] Dudette.

[01:38:10] I defend John Hughes all the time.

[01:38:12] And I see people who are like, I hate his movies.

[01:38:14] I'm like, well, I related to him a lot because even though they were at a different time,

[01:38:18] like they kind of were the answer for high school for me growing up.

[01:38:21] But that says a lot when it's a different decade.

[01:38:24] But I think some characters have sunk in some movies he's done.

[01:38:27] So I think that's just it.

[01:38:28] I mean, so I think that goes back to even when someone says, oh, that guy's overrated.

[01:38:33] They when they've only seen like two movies they've done.

[01:38:35] It's like, come on, see at least five of them.

[01:38:38] Exactly.

[01:38:39] See his filmography or their filmography and just judge.

[01:38:42] But I've seen that.

[01:38:43] We all have these with different actors.

[01:38:44] There's some of them is like, OK, they're going to play just a version of themselves

[01:38:48] versus this person.

[01:38:49] They're a chameleon.

[01:38:50] I never know what I'm going to get if they're going to do all these different accents.

[01:38:54] I prefer chameleons, honestly.

[01:38:56] I do, too.

[01:38:56] I love all these Joe Laggertons.

[01:38:58] And, you know, Meryl Streep always surprises us.

[01:39:00] It's like, oh, my word, you went to that trouble to do that accent.

[01:39:02] And kudos to them for casting her on this.

[01:39:05] Like, it was like, I can only predict what other A-listers they'll have joined because

[01:39:10] like they really are invested in it.

[01:39:12] It's not just like some of these other shows where I'm a villain for a season or I'm.

[01:39:19] I'm doing just a power play move just for extra ratings.

[01:39:23] It's I mean, it is, but it should be more than that.

[01:39:26] And I think, you know, this isn't just like we'll be over during the cast of Star Trek.

[01:39:29] This is.

[01:39:30] No, this is good.

[01:39:31] They they used intentional casting.

[01:39:33] And it's clear that the people on it want to be on it.

[01:39:36] But in some ways, it reminds me a little of the lore of Murder, she wrote, where the

[01:39:40] Lansbury family were hiring these older actresses so they could keep their their health insurance.

[01:39:47] But, you know, I know that's not exactly what they're doing with Only Murders, but the

[01:39:50] way they bring in the cameos and the characters get to just be funny versions of themselves.

[01:39:55] It's so sweet.

[01:39:56] Because they did a final farewell to her for like Nights Out 2, I was told.

[01:40:01] I haven't seen it yet.

[01:40:03] So it seems like it's that kind of audience, too, where it's this again, just the laid back

[01:40:08] mystery.

[01:40:09] But yeah, the acting is just it all matters.

[01:40:11] Like it's and all the background actors like the one cop who's always like, oh, Lord,

[01:40:19] what do you find?

[01:40:19] Like, she's funny.

[01:40:21] And I've seen.

[01:40:21] Oh, I love her.

[01:40:22] Yeah, she's so funny.

[01:40:23] And I hope we get to see more of her.

[01:40:24] I love her whole storyline with her baby.

[01:40:27] All the other tenants are just like, I've seen that guy on every other, you know, billion,

[01:40:31] you know, New York or Virginia film show.

[01:40:34] And instead of playing an angry police captain or a perp of the week or a politician, they're

[01:40:40] playing.

[01:40:41] It's just like other just nutty people who could be suspects.

[01:40:45] I mean, if there's anything I would bring it back in, I would definitely bring back in

[01:40:49] some of the I would add new tenants to the building.

[01:40:52] Don't get me wrong.

[01:40:52] It was funny when they had other people playing versions of themselves, like, come on to Amy

[01:40:56] Schumer's place.

[01:40:57] She's got a party.

[01:40:58] But like they could have like maybe some other people who are like, I want to solve the

[01:41:01] case before you do like that.

[01:41:04] But I I'm fine with I'm pretty much I think.

[01:41:08] They could do the worst possible mistake and people would still watch the show.

[01:41:12] I really think at this point, like it's shields are up big time.

[01:41:16] Well, they've been established.

[01:41:17] And that's that's a dangerous spot in a show because then you could just sit back and get

[01:41:21] lazy and rest on your reputation.

[01:41:24] But I don't think they're going to do that.

[01:41:25] This season is already.

[01:41:26] Yeah, no, I'm just I'm just giving an example.

[01:41:28] Like, but if we critique any of it, we're still going to have to go through five layers.

[01:41:33] Like it's a special kind of food.

[01:41:35] Like it's typically good.

[01:41:36] But today it was not well made.

[01:41:37] Like it was over baked or not well mixed.

[01:41:42] And I mean, kudos to him for introducing Paul Rudd.

[01:41:45] You know, like he died at the end of, you know, season two.

[01:41:50] And that was a big focus point for season three, you know, and, you know, and people still

[01:41:56] going to believe, you know, like he died in the first episode.

[01:41:58] But, you know, he was still crucial, you know, and I think that's what I like, too.

[01:42:02] Like it could have easily gone downhill.

[01:42:04] It could have been the.

[01:42:06] Talk of the town for just one night if someone had shown up only to be killed and then never

[01:42:11] seen again is like, no, they're dead, but we're still showing you flashbacks of them.

[01:42:16] Isn't it crazy how you get some of the best performances out of the characters that are

[01:42:20] technically dead, technically dead, but like even the that.

[01:42:25] I could, you know, the person who was behind that all, you know, I didn't feel like it was

[01:42:31] lazy.

[01:42:31] It was a totally different kind of plot twist.

[01:42:33] Maybe it arguably wasn't as strong as the previous part, but it stood out in its own

[01:42:39] way instead of and I think just getting there is so much fun.

[01:42:43] You know, it's kind of like.

[01:42:45] When you play a board game and you have so much fun with this back and forth smack talking

[01:42:50] with the people, you know, and love, it's really not about who actually wins, you know,

[01:42:54] it's almost like a game of.

[01:42:56] But it's a very memorable game, if you will, like so, like I can't win a game of pool table

[01:43:00] and bowling and golf to save my life.

[01:43:03] But I'm still going to be there day one until the end of my days with all my other friends

[01:43:07] playing that game because it is always endlessly fun and addicting.

[01:43:11] So, I mean, and there's something about it that just stands out where it's like, oh, remember

[01:43:17] you did that one wacky move or ordered that one beverage while you were making the fro, you

[01:43:24] know, is this there's something about it?

[01:43:25] Just getting there is just as cool.

[01:43:28] I mean, here's a show that I love that no one talks about.

[01:43:31] That is a very, very funny show.

[01:43:33] The closer.

[01:43:36] No takers.

[01:43:37] Okay.

[01:43:39] I haven't seen it.

[01:43:41] I know.

[01:43:41] You just gotta tell me.

[01:43:43] Should I watch it?

[01:43:44] It's on HBO Max.

[01:43:46] I.

[01:43:47] It's one of those shows where you're like, oh, there's no way I'm going to like that

[01:43:50] character now that they go.

[01:43:52] But once they go for that transformation, you know, I kind of like them just as much as

[01:43:56] that other old person that was, you know, the former lieutenant or whatever.

[01:44:00] So it has GW Bailey from the Police Academy.

[01:44:02] It's a Emmy winning turn, Emmy nominated turn for Kyra Sedgwick.

[01:44:07] Here's the she's a Southern broad coming into a LAPD town, you know, and it's just all

[01:44:15] everyone.

[01:44:15] It's kind of like homicide where they got all their unusual quirks where they're stealing

[01:44:19] each other's food in between all these unusual things.

[01:44:22] And there's usually three suspects.

[01:44:24] And even if you predict who it is, kind of like, I mean, Rizali and Al's kudos to

[01:44:30] Selena Gomez for making a shout out on like season three of Holy Murders.

[01:44:35] She's like, we're the.

[01:44:36] Dim witted Rizali and Al's, she says or something like that, like one episode.

[01:44:40] Yeah, that was such a ridiculous little reference.

[01:44:42] I love it.

[01:44:43] See, well, Rizali and Al's is ridiculously entertaining show, so I think it's only appropriate.

[01:44:47] But it was the it was Cagney and Lacey 2.0, and it was some of the same people worked

[01:44:52] on the closer.

[01:44:52] And that's a show that people were watching it, but not everybody was watching it.

[01:44:59] It's still kind of like homicide, but it's really good for what it is.

[01:45:02] But it's so funny.

[01:45:05] Only Murders, I think, would have died had it been on network TV.

[01:45:08] I think it would have just been that was so funny, but no one watched it, you know.

[01:45:13] Well, I agree.

[01:45:14] And I think part of the problem with network TV is time slot.

[01:45:17] And when you're dealing with that kind of cast with that big age difference and the jokes

[01:45:22] with the age difference, like where would you even put that for maximum audience?

[01:45:26] Where would you go?

[01:45:26] Oh, yeah, it would be primetime.

[01:45:28] But if people weren't into wacky, cozy mysteries, then no one's going to watch it.

[01:45:34] So I think streaming has made it more accessible.

[01:45:37] Oh, definitely.

[01:45:38] I mean.

[01:45:40] And it's also just one of those you're like, you take comfort in the fact that I can take

[01:45:46] time off and I'm not killing the viewership because that that would be what it is.

[01:45:53] Oh, shit, I forgot to videotape it last night or watch it.

[01:45:56] Oh, it's going to probably get canceled.

[01:45:58] And sure enough, they canceled it.

[01:45:59] You bastard.

[01:46:00] Oh, that's a good point, because it is a show that is so episodic that you really do

[01:46:04] have to watch the episodes in order.

[01:46:06] You couldn't miss an episode and catch up again like Seinfeld or something.

[01:46:10] Yeah.

[01:46:10] It's not going to replay.

[01:46:12] Don't worry.

[01:46:13] Season seven will re-air this fall again.

[01:46:16] Yeah.

[01:46:17] On loop.

[01:46:18] Yeah.

[01:46:19] And but to your point, I mean, it is kind of like Only Murders 2.0, like I but they're

[01:46:24] not.

[01:46:25] I feel like they're just doing a tribute to Langeberry's Agatha.

[01:46:29] You know, it's like it's just like you are.

[01:46:36] You're not trying to outdo it, but you're you're giving it your best shot at a similar

[01:46:40] kind of just bizarre, outrageous mystery.

[01:46:46] Well, that's that's definitely a trend.

[01:46:48] The Knives Out franchise kind of came in at the same time, too.

[01:46:54] And I'm happy for it.

[01:46:55] But I recognize it's very genre specific.

[01:46:57] I think shows like Abbott Elementary are probably they're less trend driven.

[01:47:02] Documentary has been out for that's been out for kind of a while.

[01:47:06] So I'm just going to enjoy it while we have it.

[01:47:08] And I hope it doesn't go on for nine seasons because that will ruin it.

[01:47:12] And I meant Jessica, by the way, I didn't mean to.

[01:47:14] I don't know how I messed up her name.

[01:47:16] Come on, Cam.

[01:47:17] Damn it.

[01:47:18] Fletcher.

[01:47:18] Yeah.

[01:47:19] But no, that is true.

[01:47:20] I by season nine, you got to go.

[01:47:23] You got to go.

[01:47:26] I mean, I think it helps that since the 2010s, they were kind of, well, sometimes it was the

[01:47:33] 2000s.

[01:47:34] So the closer in the shield, for instance, were both like 10 to 13 episodes.

[01:47:39] And I think that's just it.

[01:47:40] Like everything that was on network TV always had 22 plus episodes.

[01:47:45] So, yeah, no wonder everybody got sick to death of everybody real fast.

[01:47:49] You know, I know Kiefer Sutherland described his famous show 24 as filming 12 movies a year.

[01:47:57] So I think it really does play into a lot of that.

[01:48:00] I think a lot of shows you're like, I don't have time for anything else.

[01:48:03] I mean, I feel sorry for a lot of the horror sci-fi people who outside of that, they could

[01:48:09] only do like an indie or direct to video movie or a cheesy TV film for like Lifetime TNT

[01:48:17] or, you know, Hallmark.

[01:48:20] And I was like, you got to pay the bills, but it's not really something you want to do.

[01:48:24] So and you don't have time for that outside of conventions.

[01:48:27] So I think that's just it.

[01:48:29] I mean, have you guys ever seen the documentary, that guy or that gal who was in that thing?

[01:48:35] No.

[01:48:36] Okay.

[01:48:36] So recommended.

[01:48:38] The DVDs keep going out of stock, but they're so good because they bring in all the people

[01:48:43] and it's like, focus on your happiness.

[01:48:45] I know it's not easy, but you have to make time for yourself in between all the different,

[01:48:49] you know, auditions and everything.

[01:48:53] And you got to just not take it personally.

[01:48:54] Some people will only approach you at a grocery store and say, you're that guy who killed

[01:48:58] that one gal, you suck.

[01:49:00] You got to just have a shit eating grin the whole time and just say, hey, I'm a pretender.

[01:49:06] I'm a professional pretender.

[01:49:08] It's my brand.

[01:49:09] I'm here to have fun.

[01:49:10] Judy Greer talks about that in her autobiography.

[01:49:13] She says people will approach her all the time and say, how do I know you?

[01:49:16] I know you from something.

[01:49:17] And she's like, Judy Greer.

[01:49:20] Judy Greer.

[01:49:21] Yeah.

[01:49:21] She says that people will constantly approach her and say, I know you.

[01:49:24] Where do I know you from?

[01:49:26] And she's like, I'm not going to list my whole biography to you.

[01:49:29] I've heard your voice.

[01:49:30] Yeah.

[01:49:32] But she's done so much over her career.

[01:49:35] Even one-off guest spots.

[01:49:37] Like, people would keep playing the one Big Bang Theory episode she's in is like, see?

[01:49:41] I know that gal.

[01:49:42] She's been in everything.

[01:49:43] She's been in everything, but no one can name what exactly she's been in, but they know

[01:49:48] her.

[01:49:48] You know a good show you guys would be perfect for?

[01:49:51] Munson's at the movies where you take an actor or actress and you rank their career.

[01:49:57] Wow.

[01:49:58] How are they socially?

[01:49:59] How are they career-wise?

[01:50:01] Do they evolve as an actor?

[01:50:03] Are they typecast?

[01:50:05] Or did some of those bad movie decisions really wreck it?

[01:50:09] The score.

[01:50:10] Or, you know, and it's not easy.

[01:50:12] You know, it's like there's ones.

[01:50:13] I did one recently with them on Stephen Toblowski.

[01:50:16] I was like, well, he's kind of a quantity guy, but he really is a good actor.

[01:50:20] But I can't.

[01:50:21] Outside Groundhog's Day, I can't name everything he's been in.

[01:50:24] And he's been in everything.

[01:50:26] He's been in many projects.

[01:50:26] You could say that's a sign of a healthy career, though.

[01:50:29] Like, they are not tied into any long-term contract.

[01:50:31] So they show up and get to do a variety of things.

[01:50:34] Oh, no question.

[01:50:35] I think he was just in good favor because he really killed it in some of his what otherwise could have been nothing roles.

[01:50:42] And he didn't have much of any made-for-TV or direct-to-video stuff.

[01:50:46] So I think that really helped.

[01:50:48] He was always in some important stuff as opposed to, you know, set expectations at the door.

[01:50:54] You're going to see a cheap-looking production here.

[01:50:55] You know.

[01:50:57] And don't get me wrong.

[01:50:58] I have loved plenty of B-movie and defended plenty of otherwise infamous actors.

[01:51:04] But then there's other times where you're like, oh, buddy.

[01:51:08] Something's got to give.

[01:51:10] How'd you end up back in movie prison again?

[01:51:14] Well, it's like Nick Cage.

[01:51:15] Isn't he in a position where he can't refuse a movie because he owes so much in back taxes?

[01:51:20] Isn't that the rumor?

[01:51:21] You could do that with Vol Kilmer, Christian Slater, you know.

[01:51:25] And then there's other people where they're never going to turn out a payday.

[01:51:29] Lance Hendrickson, Tony Todd, Michael Hayes.

[01:51:32] It's the Dick Wolf thing.

[01:51:33] They have to keep working or they die.

[01:51:35] Yep.

[01:51:36] Oh, man.

[01:51:37] And I mean, well, once again, I hope Quinta just launches a few other sitcoms through her firm.

[01:51:48] You know, and same thing with all these guys.

[01:51:50] They work with Fogelman and Company on Only Murders.

[01:51:52] And it's like, I hope the next thing they do, it isn't anything even remotely like this.

[01:51:58] I hope it's a period satire or something else.

[01:52:02] Maybe a war dark comedy.

[01:52:04] I don't know.

[01:52:05] It's going to be interesting to follow their careers.

[01:52:07] And I hope that what they're doing now doesn't go on so long that they become jaded or stuck in one genre.

[01:52:12] Yeah.

[01:52:13] Or they're afraid.

[01:52:13] You're like, oh, the phone's not going to ring anymore.

[01:52:16] Oh, we don't rely on phones anymore, guys.

[01:52:18] We rely on, you know, who you know.

[01:52:23] Indeed, it's a click away.

[01:52:28] And I mean, I was really annoyed at last Golden Globes.

[01:52:33] It's like, don't get me wrong.

[01:52:35] The bear was well deserved.

[01:52:38] And I'm trying to remember what else won.

[01:52:42] Secession won everything.

[01:52:44] Oh, yeah.

[01:52:45] And absolutely nothing for Ted Lasso, Barry or Better Call Saul.

[01:52:50] And I'm just like shenanigans.

[01:52:53] Even if you don't like those shows, like Rita Seaborn deserved that Golden Globe.

[01:52:58] And I think some of the writers on Barry or production designers on one of the other shows could have gotten something.

[01:53:06] Yeah.

[01:53:06] I don't really pay any attention to the awards shows because it just feels like it's industry people giving awards to other industry people, which is fine.

[01:53:13] So I had no choice because aside from all the women in my household watching this, they did a funny Ally McBeal parody because many of the members of that show were at that on other shows or their spouses who are also actors and writers were.

[01:53:28] So it's like, I think shrinking out if you think.

[01:53:32] But yeah, I usually wouldn't give a shit because I'm like shenanigans.

[01:53:35] But I'm like, usually you guys are a little more freeing than the Emmys or the Oscars.

[01:53:41] But what the hell?

[01:53:42] It split the pie.

[01:53:44] Not everything deserves to win in every category.

[01:53:46] Like I love Lord of the Rings.

[01:53:47] It didn't deserve to win everything in 2003.

[01:53:51] You could have given some to Master and Commander, Last Samurai.

[01:53:54] Oh, yeah.

[01:53:55] Sometimes it does feel a little like they've just decided in advance what movies are going to get all the awards.

[01:54:02] Well, my grandmother would never believe me.

[01:54:04] But when the DreamWorks book came out back in like 07, it was like, well, it also studios make bids.

[01:54:09] So I'm like, can I accept both bids?

[01:54:13] Or does it have to come off as a bribe?

[01:54:17] It's like when recruiting a district attorney.

[01:54:20] Make sure you're actually doing your job or you lose your support.

[01:54:27] But I don't know how I got political again.

[01:54:29] I'm sorry, guys.

[01:54:30] I watch too many politics on TV.

[01:54:33] Oh, there's season five.

[01:54:35] Investigate a politician.

[01:54:37] No, too much.

[01:54:38] He'd have to die in the building because they only investigate in the building.

[01:54:43] They would have to dress it up a bit so they wouldn't get.

[01:54:47] You know, that might be too much.

[01:54:50] Just Twitter is such a Nazi bull.

[01:54:52] I would hate to get trolled.

[01:54:54] Yeah.

[01:54:55] Have them attack another wise great show, you know, because it's taxing to have to fight back and come up with a witty retort.

[01:55:03] Just showing what a dumbass all these morons and AI bots are.

[01:55:06] I keep trolling your show.

[01:55:09] Yeah, we wouldn't wish that on a show we love.

[01:55:11] Only the shows we hate.

[01:55:13] I wouldn't wish it even on them.

[01:55:15] I'd be like, unless they're just the Charlie Sheen's of the world who's like, you already got to go.

[01:55:20] You're a douche.

[01:55:21] No one wants to work with you.

[01:55:22] Thank you all.

[01:55:23] You're going to whammy of a double TV sit down.

[01:55:26] This was dynamite.

[01:55:29] Yeah, this was brilliant.

[01:55:31] Yes.

[01:55:31] Somehow these two shows that are completely different, we managed to cover so much ground.

[01:55:36] Hey, you know, it's okay.

[01:55:37] I was thinking of splitting up.

[01:55:39] Nah.

[01:55:40] Keep it.

[01:55:40] No, this worked.

[01:55:41] Director Scott.

[01:55:42] Especially.

[01:55:44] The kid stays in the picture, you.

[01:55:47] I don't know why I'm doing a Gary Marshall impression.

[01:55:49] Hey, kid.

[01:55:50] So where can we find you on the interwebs, Ms. Tyler?

[01:55:54] You can find me on Twitter or X if we're calling it that at Heavy D is Hungry.

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[01:56:05] Yeah.

[01:56:06] Someone, I know he's calling it Twix, but I also do a series of podcasts under the label of The Showhole

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