Bosch & Lincoln Lawyer Books Retrospect with Liam & Dave (Watch It If You Can)

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[00:00:56] So this is actually the first time Cam and Liam hasn't been in the same room. For real? Doing a podcast, yeah. For real? By him? Yeah, we've finally gone digital haven't we Dave? We're just sick of the sight of each other.

[00:01:14] Oh my word. So again, you guys have been hustling, it's been a minute since we last did the last chat, but I have, once again, I have Dave and Liam from the Watch It If You Can podcast. If you want to watch it on YouTube, you can do that as well.

[00:01:27] And you guys have been hustling, you've been quick to go on to some more comedic forays as well as revisit popular blockbuster movies and shows and see why they might still click. And again, you always have very brisk, quick chats and I never know what's going to happen. But the camaraderie, that's what I like about it.

[00:01:52] Thank you very much. I mean, we have been friends for a long, long time, so we must like each other, mustn't we Liam? Yeah, well, I think I'll put up with you Dave, if I'm honest, but you know, there you go. Do you watch a movie a day or do you just do a movie a week? It's on TV at the minute for me, I'll be honest. If it's on. I'm definitely more into my TV box sets at the moment.

[00:02:19] The deep, deep cuts we make. So with this giant chat, we were just going to do a quick chat just kind of on what we've seen of the Michael Connelly TV shows as well as briefly contrast anything we've seen of the books. Again, I have not seen all of the shows and I have not read all the books, but I have seen a good chunk of all of them. Dave and Liam were going to share their thoughts too and from what they had seen.

[00:02:43] And because, you know, I had talked to other diehard, you know, fans who had done both and they were awesome, but they couldn't do a layout of what, you know, where do you even start? You know, there's like 40 plus books. So I just was like, yeah, just talk about what you've seen, what you haven't seen. Let's go from there. But I mean, I'll go first because Liam has seen and seen and read a lot more than me.

[00:03:11] I mean, the Bosch TV series, I haven't seen all of it. I am a fan of like, well, I think he's great. I'll tell you why my issue with the Bosch TV series. He is so good in it that I think he makes everyone else look like, I don't want to say mediocre, but he's like, for me, Liam, right? He's like Mo Salah in like a Sunday league team. He just stands out too much.

[00:03:40] And like, I think that all the support and cast are just kind of there to prop how good he is. I don't know if you felt the same, but I just think he stands out way too good in it compared to everyone around him, I think. I got a bit of a Jack Bauer from 24 kind of fill. And then there was also which is kind of fun because there's a lot of 24 people on that show. But I I was just having more fun of it. Like when I saw it was by some of the same writers as like Homicide, Law and Order.

[00:04:10] And there was a lot of guys from The Wire, including, you know, the chief. And I was like, I guess I dug it because of the political backdrop and the lieutenant having to get rid of HR crises and the fact that Bosch later just quits and goes, you know, you can't fire me because I quit. You know, he's a private eye. I'm like, see, that's fun. It was an imperfect cop.

[00:04:37] So is this the spinoff series that came out recently? I don't know. That's how the original show ends. And then, yeah. Sorry. Truth be told, the spinoff should have just been seasons eight for 10. Like, but they just wanted to. Go ahead. I agree with you there, Cam. I felt like it was a bit of the Bosch legacy thing because I think they wanted to make his daughter Maddie, which a bit more of a star. Right. I don't think she needed.

[00:05:07] I don't think it needed to. I think, I think you're right. I think it should have just been Bosch continued. But is it? I think it's Bosch the season of seven seasons. It was on Amazon over here. I don't know if it's the same over there, but the sort of Amazon. We've mentioned this before, Dave. Amazon released a channel called Freevie, which is a sort of, I don't know if it's the same in American. Yeah, it was just. It was just.

[00:05:35] And it was basically Amazon stuff with advert. Right. And Bosch legacy seems to be the sort of the jewel in the crown. What, what not. But I'm with you. I think they should have just carried on as Bosch, whether he was. It wasn't necessary. It was just kind of one of those. They wanted to show exclusively. You can have it on here, but it was just like, well, you can get freebie anywhere because it is. Yeah. I mean, it says in the title it's free. So they closed it down and just said, let's just do prime and just have ads.

[00:06:04] But see, I don't mind the ads so far because they're kind of like to be. They're like less than a minute and they just are often funny instead of repeating stuff that drives you crazy. So I, so I read that when the pilot was on Amazon, they let the viewers vote to decide whether there should be more episodes or not. Yeah. I, you know, it's crazy. It's cable TV. So, I mean, it's always been kind of a 10 to 13 kind of thing.

[00:06:32] And I mean, so, I mean, of the books I had read by Connelly, I had read his book, Blood Work, and I could see why it became a Clint Eastwood movie that really had nothing to do with the book to where it was just like, yeah, they didn't even bother adapting it. It's just Clint Eastwood being a dirty, hairy kind of cop. It's not. It's not.

[00:07:00] Well, I'm, I'm going to be a bit of a nerd on here because I've, I've read just about, I've read all the Harry Bosch books, but the last and most recent one, and I've read all the Mickey Haller ones, but the most recent ones. So I'm, I'm a big Michael Connelly book fan.

[00:07:21] So I come from this perspective that, you know, you, you were never a hundred percent took in by the TV series, Dave. But I think, cause I honestly absolutely adored the books. I think I, I, I get more out of it because what he's, he's done really well, Michael, is he sort of blended various novels into, into seasons on Bosch. And that's why I liked the way he sort of interwined different stories.

[00:07:48] I think that's why most people were cool with it. Cause it's like, he's still in the writer's room. Yes. He's still there. And homicide was a very similar show to the thing. I mean, come on. That was created by David Simon. And used to be a nonfiction author. So, I mean, yeah, he, he takes it as fun. Yeah.

[00:08:10] That there have been a lot of, of helpful reddits showing, you know, what's, and the Wicca has also been a helpful is like this season is based off this book. Um, and again, I've only been casual. What's funny is I would read some of those books cause his style is very similar to John Grisham. Um, and I know some people are going to dunk on me. How dare you compare? I'm like, I'm just saying it's similar. I didn't say they're the same person. I, I just, can I like both? I like both. Anyway.

[00:08:40] Um, it was one of those where it was like, okay. Uh, but like typical Amazon shows, I have to watch like three episodes a night. Otherwise I'm going to lose track of what's going on. It is, it's a ticking time bomb. You're, you're going to lose track of, oh yeah, that's right. There was someone. An inside man revealed in this episode or this. Well, it might have been my problem, Liam. I think I was a bit boshed out because I'd never seen it.

[00:09:08] Um, I think you probably suggested it. And I think I watched like four seasons, like literally back to back. And it was a lot, it was a lot of bosh. Maybe, you know, maybe now having a break and revisiting it, uh, and finishing him off and watching the legacy series might get me back into it. But like I said, it's not that I didn't enjoy it. I did like it. Um, And you were just joking how he's the super cop or what else is kind of, you know? No, no, it's, it's, it's, yeah, it's more his acting to be honest.

[00:09:36] I just thought as an, like, he just stands out as an actor in it. Not so much like that. I mean, the character is obviously the main character, but just think, um, his acting's real, like, it's, it's so good in it. He's a big fan title as well of, of, of the books as well. And he's, he's, he's took the persona of Bosch on really well, even to the point of, you know, tiny things like his, he's, Bosch is a left-hander. And when you, when you're writing them little tiny notepads, it's really hard to write.

[00:10:04] So you do, because Dave, you're a left-hander, same as me. I am, yeah. You write upside down. So when you see the little bits where you see, yeah, if you see when Titus Welliver is playing much, he takes, he does the left-handed hold, the way you hold the, little tiny things like that. He really, he goes to town on the character, so you can tell he's a big fan. I think he's an executive producer as well, isn't he, Titus Welliver? So I think he has quite a big say in how it's made as well. But at least it's not toxic.

[00:10:33] It's not like, hey, you know, like, you got to do this, otherwise it doesn't work. I'm sure they are all, they're all deadlocked into doing mystery stuff. So they're all about also, you know, hey, how would we reveal it this way versus that way? You know, you, it's so tough to have the discussion on adapting books. It's like what works as a book doesn't work as a movie or show and vice versa. This might work for a show, but it wouldn't work as a movie.

[00:11:01] You know, you have to be so specific. You have to toss certain pages out or imply it differently. And I think for Michael Connolly, that must be quite hard because he's wrote the books. And you'd imagine him like the other writers going, oh, shut up, Michael. You don't know what you're talking about. He's like, I don't know. Do you know what I mean? You must, you're out of here. No. I wonder if he gets precious over any bits that, like the TV writers will go, no, that's got to go. But then there are other, some other restrictions

[00:11:28] because in the novel world, Bosch and Halle are, you know, not giving much away. Yeah, they're half brothers. But in the TV season, because now Lincoln Lawyer has took off on Netflix, they'll never cross over because of the two studios. So what you found is... Netflix and Amazon, yeah. Yeah, so Netflix have tended to lean on the character Sisko, who's his private detective in the novels.

[00:11:57] He's took on Bosch's role in those stories where Harry Bosch pops up. And likewise, in Bosch Legacy, they've introduced a character called Mo Basson, I think his name is, in the Legacy ones, who's like the private detective to cover, and Sisko to cover the roles that Harry Bosch... For those who don't know, Sisko is his one private eye friend who used to be a biper. And it's... Oh, he's brilliant. Fun casting.

[00:12:25] But in the Mickey Caller books, he brings in Bosch to do investigations as well. But obviously they can't use, they can't cross over into the two seasons. There's no kind of like Sony Marvel agreement where Mickey can turn up in Bosch and stuff. Yeah. So they've had to adapt characters. And also in Bosch Legacy, Money Chandler, who's actually was in quite a lot of the Bosch scene, she's killed off in one book.

[00:12:57] Yeah, yeah. She was only... So she was literally... She wasn't a very nice character and she was killed off after one book. They changed that up. Yeah. So obviously she's one of the main stars in Bosch and is actually one of the co-stars of Bosch Legacy. And I think she's brilliant in Money Chandler. Oh, yeah. It's freaking Mimi Rogers. I mean, she's so charming one minute. And then... I mean, can you... I think that's just it. They were freaking us out. They're like, oh, did they kill her? It's like, no.

[00:13:26] She escaped to death, but just barely. One of the things you usually find with TV adaptions, always they combine. Characters don't be... Because they can't... They don't have to... You can't fit them all. Is there any of that going on in Bosch? Is there any kind of characters that are being replaced like by one maybe character? The only ones are like the boss and Hala don't cross over. That's the only really thing. Right. Apart from that,

[00:13:54] because the Michael Connolly books, the characters are so ready anyway. Do you know what I mean? But... And what I really love about his writing is he writes very simplistic. It's all about pacing. And if you read his books, like... I mean, the book started back in 92. Yeah, 92. And the first one I read was 2002's City of Bones, but I didn't even realize, oh, that's one of those Bosch books. You know, I had read The Black Box, which was the 2012 bestseller.

[00:14:24] It's just because, again, Connolly's name is in giant golden letters. So I'm like, okay, this must be enticing. And I will read them and I would have fun. But I just... It's not that I think he's forgettable or anything. It's just I didn't put two and two together. Oh, oh, whoa. Hey, hey, this is part of the closer. This is part of the Echo Park. This is part of the Burning Room. This is part of Nine Dragons. I had no idea that any of this was related. So it's... Fun casual reading. For yous that have read the books and seen the season stuff, which is the best season as in terms of faithful to the book then?

[00:14:56] It's hard because, like I said, they tend to use two, three books per season. They really do. It's like they mix in a subplot of a third book and then there's all these other things. So I wish it was... I'll tell you what. I'll read the question then. What's the... From the series then, which is your favourite bit you've adapted from the book? Your favourite book you've adapted then? Mm-mm-mm-mm. God.

[00:15:26] I really want to give a very legit... Simple answer. I would... I would go... I really liked... In the Lincoln Lawyer that the Netflix... The recent season... Okay, that's the best answer. Yeah. Is one of my... It's pretty much based on the God's Guilt book, which he's done, which is one of my favourite Mickey Hallowans. They did that really well. And they change them up enough

[00:15:53] instead of adapting every single page to where if you read the book you won't want to watch the show. You know? Like, it's not... It's not so terribly like that. I did see some people who didn't care for the show. And they were in the minority, but it was just one of those... It's like... They were like, Oh, it's so different. I love the McConaughey movie better. And like, see... The McConaughey movie was fine, but it wasn't... It was kind of a... Easy-going popcorn movie. You could kind of predict every twist.

[00:16:23] Yeah, there was... Matthew McConaughey was the... Take Matthew McConaughey out, and it was a TV movie. It really was. It was like... He was really good, didn't he? I mean, it was after he did A Time to Kill, so there's the John Grisham connection, but I was like, Okay, so he's playing a lawyer again, but still, like... Nothing bad, nothing great. Like, the only thing I find interesting is that that director has gone on to do other crime thrillers and reused a lot of the same actors like Leguizamo and Bryan Cranston, but I was like, Eh, see... Again, like,

[00:16:52] anybody could have done that. And see, this show... Like, it was in development hell. Like, it was supposed to be picked up by CBS. CBS decided, Oh, we casually won't make time to air that. It was like, You ordered this to series. What? And then... And so then, David E. Kelly, that's right, the former lead writer of L.A. Law, who's, you know, did that whole Boston saga with Boston Legal, Ellie McBell, the practice. He came in

[00:17:21] and then hired some other writers, got some other awesome indie directors to helm a bunch of episodes. So it's like, interesting. So... That... I only... The only connection I knew at the time was like, Oh, hey, Tony Almeida from 24 is being a DA guy on this. Oh, hey, there's this other actor. Oh, hey, Neve Campbell from Scream. What the hell? You know, it's like, they had a very stacked cast, but... I quite... I literally watched

[00:17:52] Lincoln Lawyer Seasons 2 and 3 very recently. So that's when Dave said to us that we're going to do this podcast. Like, it's just worked out really well because I've just finished the last season of Bosch Legacy. I've just watched Seasons 2 and 3. Sweet. And I've literally just ordered the new Mickey Harlow book and the new Bosch book as well. So I'm like, it just times really well for me, guys. I don't know about you. Like, do you know what I mean? So to answer Dave's question, I know it's long-winded, but like, yeah, the Lincoln Lawyers are a little more easy because there's only been like

[00:18:24] seven of them and some of the... The characters crossed over into some other books, but those are the ones that are kind of more drawn from it versus the Bosch books, which will, again, will take free per season. Yeah, it's a lot more coming. If you had answered, if you turned the question around, Dave and said, I can pick out a couple of the books, which I think the best... If I'm going to give someone some recommendations to read the books, the first one, Black Echo, was obviously, you know,

[00:18:54] a really good entry into the season, but I think it's the fourth one, The Last Coyote, and this is where you get... And he sort of incorporates a lot of the storyline into the Bosch season. You should literally just go to your local bookstore and just look for all these books and just hang out at the Barnes & Noble and like, yeah, just skim through it. I didn't buy any of them, but I've been here for five hours reading all these books. Take your own coffee with you. Take your own coffee. There you go. If you remember,

[00:19:23] if you catch your mind back to the season, The Last Coyote was a bit in the book. Bosch, I think he'd been suspended as a police officer because he'd done something wrong. The wrong time of goodbye. Yeah. Yeah, his whole life was unraveling a little bit. And what you found out was, right back to his childhood, he was basically, his mother was a prostitute who I think... So that was the basis for season two, basically, go after the congressman. So he was, his mum was murdered and he was sent into the care system and then he left the care system and went to Vietnam

[00:19:53] at a young age. You sort of get the whole sort of backstory, but in the backdrop of that, and I think you mentioned it before, Cam, it sort of references real life. It's real life. At times, I think the reason other people got into it is it almost feels like a modern day kind of Chinatown or LA Confidential at times. Just that... Definitely. ...is like, there's always someone poisoning the well and instead of just the billionth, like, you know, a bunch of crooked cops, there's always some other angle to it.

[00:20:23] And kudos to people who do the foley. Like, there are times where it's like, I feel... I would just turn the speakers up and then... It's just... It's so funny. Without Phil, I would be watching and people would be like, did I hear an actual gunshot or an actual, you know, car drive-by? Like, no. That's just very... It's just very in the moment. Does the fact that, like, the Bosch series, then, is it's obviously... Just because you mentioned it earlier, it's updated, isn't it? Is it, like, the Iraq war, thank you? Yeah, so in the novels, because age-wise,

[00:20:53] he's a Vietnam... He's a Vietnam sort of war hero. Because the Iraq was in the 90s, so they did update it. Yeah, yeah, so the update... It's either Iraq or Gulf, one of the two. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think that's the beauty of the Bosch character because not only was he wasn't just, like, a Vietnam hero, he was, what they called the tunnel diggers that went underground because the Vietnam army dug tunnels. He was the one that basically, on their own,

[00:21:23] used to go and dig tunnels and hunt out the Vietnam army and have basically one-on-one fights under these tunnels that were miles on. So it's like, you're in that real claustrophobic sort of, you know, you've got to be certain personalities that live underground. It's a military term. So I think that's why I was able to suspend my legs. It's like, you know, especially when he had those one batch of, like, seal-turned thieves trying to ambush him and his dog at his house is like, yeah, he's ready. He doesn't need any high-gear stuff.

[00:21:53] He needs stuff and he knows how to make use of that. But, um, yeah, so I would, if we go back to the question today, if his last coyote, if anyone out there is going to go, that's probably my favorite. You go with the fourth book from 95. Okay. I will check that particular book out because, again, I really dug City of Bones and Black Box, but, yeah, I definitely need to just read the original book that started it all and some of these other ones like Angel's Flight and A Darkness More Than Night. Darkness More Than Night

[00:22:22] is really good as well. That's another character, Terry McCaleb. He's in that one with the two characters come together in that one as well. And this is where it gets even more bizarre, Dave. Like, there's a newspaper reporter who they kind of blended into a bunch of characters, Jack McAvoy. So he had his own couple of books. Right. Terry McCaleb is another one who then crossed paths with Bosh in A Darkness More Than.

[00:22:51] There's a whole universe. That's what I love about the books and that all the characters are related because I think who's the writer you were just saying about the other? Jack McAvoy. Yeah. His girlfriend and that left him and then, because she was an FBI agent, then went out with Harry Bosh in later Harry Bosh novels as well. It's very, it's very ancestral, Dave. I'm telling you. They get around, man. And did they lean into the jazz thing then, which I was reading a little bit about?

[00:23:22] Is that more in the books? Yeah, yeah. Michael Connelly is a big jazz fan. He's really big. I don't like jazz, but it's one of those I don't go out of my way to see it, but when I'm at like a random lounge, it's like, yeah, I can be here all night. Like, I just, pleasant, pleasant, calming music. It's meditation music before that was a thing. That's why Michael Connelly, as I've seen in his series, he always listens to non-vocal jazz music when he's writing because it's just quite relaxing, so it's also

[00:23:51] non-intrusive. I mean, that's kind of, we're all built that way. Kind of like how someone might watch a sitcom at the gym or Yes. play hard rock or electronic while they're working out. And even people who don't generally want to do that. Like, you just need something to make the hour go by faster. That's, so, Dave, you're in good luck. Like, there's, the FBI agent is Rachel Willing, and you've already seen her in some

[00:24:21] later seasons of Bosch. She's the one fed who kind of helps him out taking on those white supremacist terrorists who try to bomb the, the giant courtroom. And, and this is not to confuse with his wife and mother of Maddie, who was Eleanor, but she was also an FBI agent as well. Oh, okay, so they changed that out where she was like a former government consultant coming back. So, that's in the books as well. She was, she was, his wife was an FBI and she got kicked out

[00:24:51] and then she became a professional poker player as you do. And that's where the seed of the, the seeds of evil were planted. yes. So they, apparently for this new Bosch legacy, which will come out soon, they decided to introduce a detective that is, that does cold cases who's Hawaiian and she'll be played by Maggie Q, but she is an actual character in these Jack Mecca boy and Bosch books called Renee Ballard

[00:25:21] and she's a parent, she's a cold case detective and she's based off a real life LAPD gal named Mitzi Roberts and Roberts apparently is a consultant on the Bosch show. So, a lot of fans are stoked for that. I think that's good casting. Maggie has come a long way, you know, from being just the beautiful gal and hinge woman to now being able to anchor a lot of TV shows. I'm like, okay, and apparently they're thinking they might do a Bosch spinoff based on that character

[00:25:49] and I'm here for it, man. Well, the last, since Harry Bosch has sort of retired and then he went in the novels. I mean, he could still appear, like he'd just show up like one episode and be like, I need someone to accompany me or be a witness to this crime. But they've sort of, like, Connolly's sort of withdrawn a little bit in the last Bosch books because it's Renny Ballard and Harry Bosch books, the last four or five Bosch books.

[00:26:18] But he's retired sort of now or a private detective in some as well. So he's introduced Renny Ballard and I think it was quite a challenge for him if you read the first few books and writing from a woman's perspective, I think, yeah. It's never easy. You want to validate everybody and you don't want them to be just, hey, buddy. You know, you always want to have them sound like how they would talk versus, you know, this is clearly written by a guy, you know,

[00:26:48] writing a woman. It's hard. It's never easy. I mean, that's why Gillian Anderson, for instance, left the X-Files. She's like, hey, fun mysteries and everything, but you guys cannot write women to save your lives. 20 years later. And I, we all want to be validated. We also, I mean, you get complaints about this when you see both romantic novels and movies where you'll hear someone be like, that was fun, but that was clearly written by a woman

[00:27:18] or a guy. You know, it's just, the guy was an idiot in the woman's perspective and the woman was easily charmed in the guy's perspective. So you're just like, I just can't win. I just want to have the two have charisma, but I don't, I want it to be more than just these two. That's probably, probably why, and we've spoke about it on our podcast a couple of times, like Carrie Fisher was such a good spring game, wasn't she? Is that like, she rewrote so many leads, Martin Rene Russo and a bunch of other

[00:27:49] popular actresses. I mean, even her own. So, I know the character then you mentioned like the, his mum was prostitute. What about his dad then? Is his dad like in the books or at all? His dad wasn't in the books, but his dad, who's Mickey Haller's dad as well, was a famous defence lawyer who represented the mafia. And Mickey, kudos to him, his mother was a B-movie actress and I like how in the show

[00:28:19] they kind of make her be a soap opera star. Yeah. But there's a really, there's a really funny reference because in one of the episodes of Bosch, there's a flashback where he goes back and meets his dad because he, because he finds out, because obviously Harry, Harry had an affair, Harry's dad and mum had an affair and he came out of that. That's why they divorced kind of, yeah. But he went back to say hello to his dad's ears and the young kid who answered the door

[00:28:49] was obviously a young Mickey Haller. Oh, he had a little reference where he opened it and as the dad said, come on, get out the way now, the little kid goes, all right, all right, all right, which is a reference to Matthew Conagate later on in the film. That's funny. And there's also a reference in one of the Harry Bosch films, him and his daughter Maddie are talking about the Michael McConaughey movie, The Lincoln Lawyer, which is very meta, yeah. yeah, it's quite funny. So is there a big age gap between the two then?

[00:29:18] Yeah, so I think Bosch is about 10, 15 years old. Yeah, Mickey was born in 65, so that would have been as Nam was ending, so yeah, Bosch already kind of had a, but like you're saying, like the, even though the shows are a separate canon, like the author has fun and he's not like Stephen King where he's like, I hate every adaptation of my work, you know, but I'll take your money. He's always just, yeah, Connolly seems to get quite a lot of enjoyment. He's very nice

[00:29:48] to fans from what I've seen. I've never seen him explode or be a dick to anyone at a signing. He's, he's happy to build his own universe, but he also wants to, I feel like unlike James Patterson, who kind of just has a lot of fun and puts his name on stuff, he actually wants to come up with new universes and new stuff here and there and he, I mean, he, he seems to have other book clubs like other authors, but, and promote other work

[00:30:18] instead of just his own. It's just, yeah. So, Liam, one of the questions we always have, well, not always, but when we do our kind of cast it, if, if Bosch and the Lincoln lawyer were British TV shows, what

[00:30:48] richest actors would you have cast in the two lead roles? Oh, well, that's strange because I always thought Titus Weller was British because I remember him, I know he was in Deadwood. You think of the Sons of Anarchy as well because I always thought he was Northern Irish, so I was shocked when he did Bosch like, oh my God, he's American.

[00:31:18] Ben Affleck loves him, doesn't he? Is it four films with Ben Affleck that he's directed? Yeah, Weller has been in a lot of Affleck's stuff. He's one of those actors that I feel like a lot of actors respect Titus Weller if that makes sense. He's an actor's actor, if that makes sense. He has a face where he could either be a creep or he could be a very caring guy or he could be an anti-hero. You don't know until you frame him a certain way. Man in Black and Lost, that was such a good role wasn't it?

[00:31:48] That could have been either way couldn't it? Who's your British Bosch? Bosch is very meticulous and determined and driven whereas Mickey Haller is a lot more flamboyant and likes to push the rules so You want to have Nicholas Wynhurst from Only Fools and Horses go against type and be a serious role or is that bollocks? He's great in there New Frasier.

[00:32:19] He is the best thing in New Frasier if I'm honest. I love him. So is he your Mickey then? Sure why not? I like that. What about you Liam? Are we going with a joint answer? I'm going to go for there's got to be like Bosch is a lot more like Wynhurst. Driselva can be J. Edgar the partner. See what I did there? Luther just invaded the

[00:32:48] bond conversation. Who would I have? I don't know. The main guy. Would Kieran Hines be good? Caesar from Rome. He's in Kin as well. I don't know if you've seen that. Charlie Cox. Which is really good. I've heard. The Kin TV show. Is Jason Statham too ready? I think

[00:33:18] he should be one of the bad guys of the season. One of the special forces guys. Him and Aiden Gillen. There you go. Oh Aiden Gillen to play Mickey Haller is a great choice. Oh there you go. That is Charlie Cox would be too obvious. He's already been a lawyer. Do you know who I would get to play? Bosh. Think of Game of Thrones. He was the one

[00:33:48] who was given the title like Lord of Onions or something like that. What's his name? Davos Seaworth. yeah. Okay. So Liam Cunningham. Liam Cunningham. That's the one. That's who I would get to play Bosh. Yeah. No, he's amazing. He's in all kinds of war movies and horror films and anytime he shows up, I know he can either be a crazy gunman or an actual

[00:34:18] dad of a town, troubled community. I mean, anyone who's seen The Guard or dog soldiers, yeah. he's awesome. Yeah. I love it. That's better than anything. Basically, Game of Thrones with both Aidan Gillen and Liam Cunningham. They're my bosh and haller. I can't believe you didn't say Hugh Grants, Liam, because we just were Hugh Grants and everything. I was trying to think, would either of them could they advise that?

[00:35:10] sweet. Yeah, and Gary Oldman, because I just want Gary Oldman and everything as well. Would Gary Oldman be bosh or haller? No, it's haller. A young Gary Oldman, I mean. I would flip them. Oh, really? Maybe Gary Oldman could be the dad. No, I think Oldman would be bosh, because he's yeah, sure.

[00:35:39] But I'm still going with Liam Cunningham. I like that. Well, zone both. I just took the Mark Strong one you made, because I'm sure you've seen stuff like Low Winter Sun and Deep State. The guy, he is kind of a similar Titus Wolver actor, where you never know if he's going to be a good guy or a bad guy just because he has that brooding face. And he's also one of them actors, I feel like a lot of actors really like him as well. He's an actor over actors would go at

[00:36:12] with the flow. I'd see he just came out with a new action thriller called Deadshot with Felicity Jones. I don't know if it's good or not, but it looks awesome. I'm just going to say one thing about Bosh and both Halle with the books, and it's one of the reasons I absolutely love it, and he does try to bring them into the TV shows as well.

[00:36:43] He loves his food. He loves to in both the TV seasons and the books, he loved going to really good real restaurants to have famous sandwiches, meals, food, food carts, and I love that little bit of real elements worked into it. Also, whenever you read any of the books, whenever

[00:37:10] they do a car journey, he plots the car journey for you. I don't know why he does it. He's almost obsessed. So we've got to go down from this road to that road to that road. It makes that LA come alive in the books. It's really good the way he does it. That's a good point. What does every member of mankind love the most?

[00:37:40] It's stuffing their face. But I'm going to go to a great place to exotic food. It's often where he's doing his detective work half the

[00:38:10] restaurants that have been going in LA. The biggest one was the Danny Trejo one. love that scene where his daughter is talking about Danny Trejo and the partner hasn't seen any Danny Trejo movies. I've never seen from Dust To Don or Heat. What are those? I don't watch many movies apparently. I

[00:38:43] I think the fandom is going to continue to be pretty cool. Sometimes I'll encounter in some of those Facebook groups some fans who are clearly very old but very rude stuck up people but for the most part they've done pretty good at making a non-toxic community and not it's interesting how there's all kinds of age gaps like I think the spinoff was helped by the fact that it was focusing more on a cold case that

[00:39:14] connected to a lot of other main things I'm like yeah see you kind of up the stakes because you had all these different connections instead of just another billionth mission for everyone to go on but it is interesting like there's all there's young adults there's older adults there's you know retired people who have all gone into this and it's well that's the thing because you know it'll get it'll get passed on those kind of series of books so it is

[00:39:43] interesting to see like what like kind of the next generation make of so there's always going to be that kind of cycle isn't there of people who are going to find these things instead of just

[00:40:13] is it on kindle I won't read it then I'm like I always do physical I'm sorry I was obsessed with reading books and then I did get myself a kindle and I don't mind it I can read the book on kindle sometimes it's cheaper I'll go for a cheaper option I have a lot of physical stuff where I'm like I don't know but the good thing about it is if you're going away on holiday you can download three or four books onto your kindle

[00:40:43] and take them with you anywhere yeah but I know he's saying that a real book is nice but it's not the end of the world of kindle I don't mind it's quite nice to read because you can change the focus and the font and the size and that as well that's what I link tree but for those who haven't seen it what is your favourite episode that you've done oh that's a really good question do you know what Liam I'm just going to say

[00:41:12] the first one because it's rough and ready you can tell we've never done it before but it's one of my favourite films which is gross point blank and I always go go to the stars for me but go on what's yours I always think stand by me is the one that stands out for us yeah that is really we really enjoyed that one because we were being friends and it's all about friendship isn't it like the film and the book absolutely I like that one

[00:41:42] it's really only horror in that there was some grisly death but it's more of a coming of age movie definitely that's the ones that we picked for our podcast absolutely I love your camaraderie and it's always fun doing an episode with you guys and everyone be safe out there thanks so much for asking us it's been fun catch up with your camp see you soon cheers thank you

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