Bonus Q&A with Martial Artist, Action Film Fan & Author Mike Fury!

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[00:00:37] Welcome all, welcome all to the show. I'm your host Sully and once again there's no shortage

[00:00:50] of guests and there's no shortage of amazement welcoming to the show we have martial artist

[00:00:56] actor, action movie fan and all around just way very very sweet guy Mike Fury here on the show.

[00:01:04] Hey guys, how are you doing? I'm delightful I think if you're being here and thank you all together

[00:01:13] so Mike has authored the life of action, oh, volumes one and two which is a symbol just numerous action movie stars

[00:01:22] martial artists from around the globe. It's always staying busy, it's also been a successful stunt coordinator

[00:01:29] we're going to talk a little bit about the ins and outs of both professions so as you mentioned before, action movies are life

[00:01:38] Sure and I want to say we're out of the back I know we just mentioned this right before we hit record but

[00:01:43] I want to apologize formally and say to everyone because it turns out you actually reached out to me a while ago

[00:01:48] and I just didn't see the message with all the internet, internet, boogie man and weird, crazy stuff that happens

[00:01:54] sometimes you just genuinely don't receive messages but yeah I would have loved to have spoken to you a while ago

[00:02:00] when you did first make contacts but looking glad we finally had the opportunity and it's nice to share.

[00:02:06] Conversations going in out the wazoo I can't believe we've been doing this for like three years

[00:02:13] No it's great and I appreciate what you do and I'm always like look we're I'm sure we're going to get into it but we're all joined through our connection

[00:02:22] and our passion for movies and specifically action movies I'm sure

[00:02:26] and what you do is really cool with the podcast and any time I can connect with like-minded people it's always fun

[00:02:35] Absolutely it is interesting how it kind of gets everyone comfortable again in a way

[00:02:43] Yeah absolutely because we get the opportunity to share in our passions and our interests

[00:02:50] I think no matter what you do you running a podcast or if you talk to an actor or a stunt person or even a camera operator

[00:03:00] or anything in this business everyone started from a place of passion so everyone's got that story and that journey

[00:03:05] which might be slightly different for everyone but you know we were all connected and we've all got that and that shared love

[00:03:11] Right?

[00:03:12] And it never fills the ignite.

[00:03:15] Yeah so in the later movie.

[00:03:17] I've been fortunate to see a lot of your work confine and the Thompson's have been on a lot of horror movie channels

[00:03:23] and I've seen zombie diaries too back in the day but-

[00:03:27] That was a long time ago.

[00:03:29] Yeah long as time ago but so what would you describe your work up routine and what gets you up in the morning?

[00:03:40] Well anyway in terms of like training workout yeah well I mean yeah it's interesting I mean look so you know I'm a big film fan

[00:03:48] we'll talk about all of that but martial arts fan you know from a young age unfortunately I didn't have the opportunity to get into it

[00:03:55] when I was a lot younger like a lot of friends and I'm sure a lot of people have this story where you know if you're a kid

[00:04:01] and your parents are into martial arts or your dad studies karate or ever you know always gets the young kid into that stuff

[00:04:06] I was never I never had that introduction my parents weren't really into that which is you know absolutely fine everyone's got their own journey

[00:04:12] but I discovered that much later like as an adult basically I got into martial arts but in terms of the training I was super inspired by all the action stars back in the day

[00:04:24] you know obviously seeing the physical development of the Arnold's and the Stallone's and the Van Dam's and those guys

[00:04:31] that was you know super inspiring and I'm sure it was for a lot of people to train and so to this day you know I do training martial arts

[00:04:38] I train in them primarily now it's presenting Jiu Jitsu but I also you know lift weights and rhyme and do different things

[00:04:45] but I take much more of an approach now where it's kind of what I feel like doing on the day

[00:04:50] so I think that's that's it's something that I've heard from a lot of people that get kind of fed up or tired or lethargic with their training

[00:04:58] it's trying to stick to a prescriptive kind of script I don't want to go for a run I don't want to go to the gym it's boring as this that

[00:05:05] yeah just do something you enjoy oh I today I just feel like going for walk it's nice day nice weather I'm gonna go

[00:05:10] I think you mentioned to me before you went for a swim so guessing that's something that you do I like I also I do like swimming

[00:05:17] I haven't been swimming for a long time actually but you know something that you enjoy doing you're going to stages

[00:05:22] yeah yeah and you're gonna be so much more inspired and motivated to want to do it whereas if let's say you're not into the gym

[00:05:28] that gym just isn't your thing that's fine find something else that works for you and it's like that's that's kind of different way to work out

[00:05:35] yeah that's the best way to go I think

[00:05:38] absolutely I cannot say that better in fact quoting a movie that you've happened to be in I've been fortunate enough to see your very thought provoking a sci-fi drama

[00:05:51] Zoe the astronaut okay and there's a great great line in there that perfectly sums up what he said which is only the body can die

[00:06:01] yeah not the soul

[00:06:04] yeah yeah yeah that was a fun that was I yeah that was a fun fun film that was an indie film a quite a long time ago actually but it's funny you're

[00:06:12] warming you're taking me on a trip down memory lane

[00:06:15] it's on two me okay cool great streaming yeah yeah but yeah it is wild what movies isn't it wild which ones get attention

[00:06:26] you're like you solve that one out of my entire repertoire skills yeah and to be honest it's quite funny I

[00:06:32] should say like upfront you know I'm very grateful for you mentioning these things I mean I don't consider myself an actor by any means I basically had the

[00:06:41] had had the opportunity being you know being a I guess martial artists but working working with some of the types of people that you know we

[00:06:50] would talk about through the journalism work as well I have had the opportunity to meet and connect with people and then work on some film projects which has been really

[00:06:58] you know it's really cool really fun to do and mostly that was like bite scenes or some stunts and things like that yeah but then you know as a kind of a

[00:07:07] weird coincidence say making a segue into like acting or playing a role or then having some dialogue is not something that I set out to

[00:07:15] do if I'm being completely honest so like for example you know kind of a good example of that would be on green street three which was

[00:07:24] yeah Scott adkins and Joey answer who's a very good friend of mine from best known from the born of the house yeah that man is great no shortage of just

[00:07:34] positivity yeah no he's great and so Joey was a co star in green street three and also the fight coordinator so he put together all these crazy

[00:07:44] things with with skydkins and he got myself involved was very grateful to be involved along with many other many other people he knows and that was cool that was fun but again just to kind of basically a

[00:07:55] goon fight scene you know you're just a guy to get if you're in a skydkins film as a fighter you're just going to get beaten up at any level that's basically that's what you're there for and that's you know that's what he does well so

[00:08:07] he's going to be on a Vengement years later well so so yeah I mean slightly different thing actually knowing Jesse Johnson the director there that was that was how that came about

[00:08:16] what's funny is later for green street three the producers of that made another film called I am soldier which was more like a military military movie

[00:08:26] and I just assumed they asked me back I assumed it was going to be for like just oh you need somebody to fight for you know something like that get beaten up which is find by me I'm very happy and grateful to you know even to have that but actually it turned out I ended up playing a small just a small role so with no fighting I had some guns guns

[00:08:46] everyone it reminds me of Steniela May's the the Hill in a way that movie and I think that's why not everyone was on board with it they just were expecting you know all out you know non-stop stunt spectacular and like no it's yeah it was a different kind of vibe but just an interesting just

[00:09:02] in terms of like how I you know I didn't even come into it expecting to be an actor but I am fully understand and acknowledge you know if you refer to me as an actor I myself not an actor but then it's like I've had acting roles and stuff so that's action story

[00:09:14] yeah so it's kind but it's kind of like how that's come about so that's really weird but interesting though you know and getting to be on these like I'm soldier was interesting with the military guys they had some former British SAS like military advisors that was really

[00:09:28] corsage kind of like just being in the presence of people like that is super interesting just to talk to them and spend time with them and then you know certain films you do if you hang around with certain directors

[00:09:37] actors people you look up to getting the chance to just hang out with them and hear some stories is great and you think why perfect in what other

[00:09:45] scenario would I have this opportunity so it's right might seem like a convention but that's it yeah exactly did you get a chance to

[00:09:55] just hang out after the fact with Tom Higgs of the English or Noah Clark? Yeah I did hang out with these guys I mean everyone's different you know

[00:10:03] it's kind of some people aren't I'm always very aware that everyone's there to do a job so you know you're there

[00:10:11] to basically you know to be professional work obviously some people are more kind of friendly and want to hang out some

[00:10:16] people are just kind of want to turn up do the job and go not to be rude but just like we're there to

[00:10:23] we're there to do a job and that's fine to be honest I respect everyone's you know everyone's

[00:10:27] vibe with that because you know everyone's in different place also some people might be really busy or tired

[00:10:31] or they're they're filming and they've got kids at home or something and they've got a lot going on so

[00:10:37] obviously if I know people like for example going back to you mentioned a Benjamin I know Scott Adkins

[00:10:42] very well and I know Jesse Johnson the director very well so that is like being on set with friends

[00:10:47] you're actually welcome you always open arms yeah Joey and so with Green Street that was good fun

[00:10:52] and I knew a lot of the stunt guys on that so you know we actually had like there was a real kind of

[00:10:58] camaraderie and friendship because because I know them if I don't know them that's absolutely fine you know

[00:11:02] sometimes come to make friends or come to get to know these guys but um but yeah you know I don't do

[00:11:08] too much of that anymore obviously since doing the the life of action books um that was really a big

[00:11:14] focus and I wanted to kind of dig into my own passion and interest for for these action stars

[00:11:21] and action filmmakers and the kind of people that we grew up with so that's being having a

[00:11:25] journalism background and writing for magazines and online that really inspired me to want to

[00:11:30] have conversations with some of these people track some of them down and hear about their journeys

[00:11:34] in the business and that really took me through um the two life of action books so that was kind

[00:11:39] of something quite different like the film stuff I don't tend to do you know do that stuff and

[00:11:43] you more have kind of shifted focus a little bit but it was okay your interest yeah and also like

[00:11:48] I'm you know I'm grateful for the experience that it has but it's also it's been good because it

[00:11:53] has informed when I have some of these conversations with you know stunt coordinators or filmmakers

[00:11:58] and things like that I'm not I don't feel like I'm coming at it from a purely academic point of view

[00:12:03] like I have actually experienced some of it or I've experienced how Scott Abkin's works on set or how

[00:12:09] um you know Jesse works on set and things like that so there is a kind of a frame of reference so

[00:12:13] it's been it's been good but yeah man it's it's a crazy crazy world and I dig it

[00:12:19] yeah yeah and these guys will rescue any production if they really can you know what are it's

[00:12:25] doing pickup shots or what have you or the director gets fired or is inspired or

[00:12:32] yeah I love the crew the kind of people we're talking about it's really interesting they're all

[00:12:36] I think a lot of the people I take interest in are very dedicated to the work that they do so

[00:12:42] if in the like in the first life of action book I had um like Chad Stelsky and David Leach and

[00:12:48] they're and obviously they're very experienced veteran stunt men's stunt coordinators and then

[00:12:52] would go on to direct the you know the first John Wick movie and then they yeah they branched away

[00:12:58] and um not you know they're still business partners but would go on to do different things Chad

[00:13:02] would of course help the the sequels of John Wick primarily and I'm sure we're all interested

[00:13:07] to see what else he does next because he's really stuck close to that John Wick universe

[00:13:12] whereas David Leach went off and did a Deadpool 2 and atomic blonde and stuff so he's

[00:13:17] he's done some quite different kind of most of his life yeah slightly more like comic book vibe though

[00:13:23] I know John Wick has that but um I really enjoyed I think for me atomic blonde was my favorite

[00:13:27] Dave Leach post John Wick film but um you know JJ Perry now as well very experienced stunt coordinator

[00:13:34] who's now that they shift with um with Jamie Foxx and he's working on his next film which Skyadkins

[00:13:40] and Marco Zorour actually are going to be in together so that would be really fun yeah so it's like

[00:13:45] you know it's really interesting to follow these guys careers and I think yeah they're super

[00:13:49] passionate about what they do and uh it's nice that they because they come from that martial arts

[00:13:54] world they want to work with people from that universe so they're not necessarily just looking at

[00:13:59] purely dramatic actors although that's obviously that's that's great we all you know we all want

[00:14:04] good drama we need good drama in these films but they they remember the martial arts guys or the

[00:14:10] the veteran you know physical action guys because that's the world that they came from too and even

[00:14:15] having people like complete cast on yeah exactly and these guys and I actually I met Mark de

[00:14:20] Cascoss recently in um he was at a film festival that I was involved in here in London called the

[00:14:25] London Action Festival and that was that was really fun because I've been a fan of him for you know

[00:14:29] a long time show we you know we all grew up on these movies and then to see him in John Wick 3

[00:14:33] was was super cool and um and then to kind of hang out with him um in London now we we did this

[00:14:40] John Wick villains of John Wick panel with him and Scott and that was really cool actually talking

[00:14:44] going full circle talking about how it all that's sweet yeah it's villa villains yeah that was

[00:14:48] that was really good but I was gonna say a funny story about how I um didn't see your messages

[00:14:53] originally didn't get to make contact it's okay I had the same um experience it's kind of paid

[00:14:58] back to me where basically when I met Mark he was apologetic to me that I contacted him to be

[00:15:03] life of action he was like oh my god I didn't see your message well so it's like it all you know

[00:15:08] it probably gets 500 a day asking for exactly Iron Chef fan mail yeah exactly so um but yeah you

[00:15:15] know and it's so it's it's very cool I don't think we as fans need to see these guys in

[00:15:21] you know the biggest movies I mean we're not bothered about that I'm certainly not that's not

[00:15:25] the kind of currency I hold them to but when these things do go full circle so you're seeing people

[00:15:31] like you know Chad Stelstein Dave Leach directing the big movies and getting these guys to come

[00:15:35] in and play roles that is very cool that and that must be like a real um a real humbling thing um

[00:15:41] you know in the best way and then you know people like Daniel Bernhardt who obviously has a

[00:15:45] fascinating career more on the kind of B movie martial arts side but then his kind of reestablished

[00:15:51] himself as a really dependable kind of character actor bad character actor acting a lot of these

[00:15:56] big movies so that's really cool you can predict the status he never expected to be the guy who stars

[00:16:01] in Vendem knock-off movies to working with Vendem die people yeah yeah and it's like I think he's

[00:16:08] you know it's it's interesting because as much as again we can talk about like different

[00:16:13] eras of um these action movies whether it's the kind of the muscle bound heroes of the 80s or the

[00:16:18] kind of the more video martial arts era to the you know the blockbuster era which has always existed

[00:16:24] to some extent but you know a lot of the the B movie martial arts world has kind of um basically gone

[00:16:31] away in a in a kind of a sad way but some of these guys like like Daniel Bernhardt he's been able to

[00:16:37] you know as I say reestablish himself reposition himself in a different way and you know he's

[00:16:43] older now he's more mature he's also a better actor he's kind of gained a lot of experience so

[00:16:48] he's so much better yeah yeah he's he's he's been able to bring like a different kind of game now

[00:16:53] to these productions and I think it's it's for the best because you know there's not too many martial

[00:16:59] low-budget martial arts films are you know it's it's it's a hard game and they're still being made

[00:17:03] on smaller budgets and smaller shooting schedules so yeah it's just it's just a different landscape

[00:17:12] and that's fine but you know you know then you get people like Scott Advkins who's you know been

[00:17:17] able to get behind his real passion projects and write and produce his own work like the accident

[00:17:23] man movies so he's less kind of bounds to other people's work will be given you know just the

[00:17:29] scripts and he has to go away and do those he's much more taken charge of his his work in his career

[00:17:33] which is really cool to see so you know I'm very I'm very excited by all of this and it's inspiring

[00:17:38] and I you know continue to support these guys very neat and I think it just helps that they all

[00:17:45] have a great morale they just let people inside their mind once in a while they all have these

[00:17:50] passions they all want to keep raising the bar yeah absolutely wherever they are yeah absolutely

[00:18:00] going sorry go ahead come oh but I was also wondering how did you get involved with

[00:18:07] some of Hange's history book that you were done oh yeah so that was um I guess this is again

[00:18:13] going back way back before life of action so you know yeah basically I you know I started out

[00:18:18] writing just again as a fan that's what you're you know you're you're driven to want to talk about

[00:18:22] this stuff basically anyone who listen can you know can you hear about it so I was writing online

[00:18:27] um writing for magazines and think one of the first magazines um a couple of the first

[00:18:31] magazines I wrote for if there's some old-time as listening they might remember uh it's a magazine

[00:18:37] called it's kind of like a fanzine magazine called Screen Power which was Jackie Chan's um magazine

[00:18:43] back in the day um I think it was published like bi monthly but like a print you know a cool print

[00:18:48] magazine and then it had a sister publication called Jade Screen which again it was more general

[00:18:53] like Asian kind of Hong Kong Asian movies and um I wrote for those two magazines and then the

[00:18:59] publishers of that put together this summer hung book which just compiled lots of different

[00:19:04] it was worked from different authors basically so they just asked me or would you like to do a

[00:19:08] chapter a couple of things and I wrote a couple of chapters for that so that was you know that was

[00:19:12] cool but again it's like getting a nice taste for that process of writing I mean I'm very critical

[00:19:18] of my writing so I wouldn't really want to go back and read whatever I wrote way back then

[00:19:23] and I think the book's long out of print but you know it was cool to do and uh definitely all

[00:19:27] of this stuff you know it set me up for uh for for doing lack of action later yeah sweet uh

[00:19:36] and uh what tips and tricks do you have to recommend for those who want to outline their visions

[00:19:43] and put thoughts into written form um I think you know it's just like a lot of things it's just practice

[00:19:50] like if you're uh um if you're an actor and you want to improve as an actor you need to you need

[00:19:55] to act you need to practice you need to film yourself you know film you know all these auditions

[00:19:59] self-tapes and then watch them back and kind of critique yourself same thing you know if you're

[00:20:04] training you need to physically do the thing you can't expect to get better uh um swimming or running

[00:20:10] or lifting weights you get stronger by not doing it you have to just do the thing that you're supposed

[00:20:14] to be doing so the same with writing if you just practice writing even if it's like rubbish you

[00:20:19] know you don't have to show anyone you can just practice writing some articles maybe get some

[00:20:23] feedback if you want from close friends but you know basically just um practice and refine it because

[00:20:29] you will get better in time like for me you know I cringe that you know some of my

[00:20:35] stuff the early stuff was obviously was published whether it's online or in a magazine and

[00:20:40] you know it doesn't unfortunately there's not too many cases you can find it now again like out

[00:20:44] of print magazines and things like that but you know but then having said that I was only at that

[00:20:49] moment in time I was only as good as I was right then so of course later you're going to get better

[00:20:54] but you can't fast track it you just have to do it so I would say for anyone it's you know think

[00:20:59] about um think about what you want to what you want to write in this case um the only kind of I guess

[00:21:06] more personal advice I'd give is because again we live in such a saturated coach and now like so

[00:21:11] many people you know there's so many websites so many blogs people right online people and this

[00:21:15] could be the same for doing a podcast for doing a if you have a YouTube channel if there's so much

[00:21:19] out there and that's not a bad thing that's you know for fans that's a good thing there's a lot

[00:21:24] of opportunities there's a lot of fun stuff to watch and to listen to and to read but just think

[00:21:29] you know what do I personally have to offer here and the thing is you'll always have something

[00:21:34] personal because you are unique right you've got your own perspective your own tastes your own

[00:21:39] interests so don't try to as much as it's easy to be inspired by the people and that's good try to

[00:21:45] you know have your own voice develop your own voice which again will come in time with practice

[00:21:50] and you know don't be afraid to just take a chance and do it and you know I think to build something

[00:21:56] takes time if you start like a website or you launch a podcast or something like that it takes

[00:22:01] a while to get going but you know hopefully you have a passion for it and you enjoy it and

[00:22:05] you know you just you just need to do it and like I say it will get better like the technology will

[00:22:09] improve your quality of editing your you know everything will improve but you do just need to get

[00:22:15] started so hopefully that's you know that's something that people can take something from sweet

[00:22:22] and if you had to pick you know other than adkins which other action stars that you've

[00:22:29] interviewed just really hit the right nerve with it to where you're just like man I talked to a

[00:22:36] god today yeah I mean now I've been really fortunate to speak to a lot of a lot of interesting people

[00:22:44] and like for so for example on like a life of action two which is the main the main book if anyone's

[00:22:49] interested they can check out life of action two life of action one is actually out of print now but

[00:22:53] I'm looking to hopefully see if we can get something back in you know get it back into print a new

[00:22:58] addition hopefully in the in the future but life of action two has Zori Bell on the cover and she's

[00:23:05] like she's amazing she's amazing I'm a huge fan of Zori Bell but when we spoke I mean it was

[00:23:09] what's interesting about that is I don't set out knowing who's going to be on the cover I just

[00:23:14] you know did a bunch of interviews and of course you know there's people that I tried to get in

[00:23:17] the book that I couldn't get and things like that but you know it always it always happens but

[00:23:23] I'm not I'm not on a mission to think right this person is going to be on the cover but you know

[00:23:27] Zori Bell after we had that conversation and I had a lot of good conversations in the book I'm

[00:23:31] really happy with the book overall but that was like I think we spoke for like two three hours

[00:23:36] and it was like she's on the cover like that was amazing you know just if I can and then the

[00:23:41] challenges because I think the benefit of you know a podcast or a YouTube video or something like that

[00:23:47] the benefit is you can you can just use the organic flow if we have a nice chat people can listen

[00:23:53] and it's fun when when when you speak to somebody and then it's to be transcribed you kind of need

[00:23:58] to capture that magic that it's possibly not as interesting to read something you know as it was

[00:24:04] to hear it maybe it could be argued but I'm going to try and translate that call conversation we

[00:24:09] had in her energy and her you know her passion that needs to come across as well as the literal words

[00:24:15] that she said that kind of energy needs to come across so I hopefully you know I did try to do that

[00:24:19] but yeah she's amazing Zori Bell you know huge fan of her even more of a fan having spoken to her

[00:24:26] Michael Jarwhite you know we we I've actually I've interviewed him a few times

[00:24:32] and then one time he was in this actually when he was in London filming accident man

[00:24:36] I was trying I basically interviewed him in the past for other things but we were exchanging messages

[00:24:42] and then when he was in London he had sweet man so yeah he's a great really such a nice guy

[00:24:47] and he was here and he had some time so we basically went for dinner and it was like that was a

[00:24:51] cool evening of just like having dinner and you're having some food chatting and you know obviously

[00:24:55] it also forms the interview but that was that was cool and yeah I mean you know Tony Jar was in the

[00:25:02] the second book as well and he's awesome and I'm just yeah I'm a huge fan of a lot of these people

[00:25:08] like someone like Vic Armstrong you know who's a stunt legend you know going back to the

[00:25:13] what he's what he worked on like James Bond and Indiana Jones and all these movies so

[00:25:20] and he's like a fascinating guy he's got his own memoir actually his own his own autobiography

[00:25:25] which I recommend everyone read and with somebody like him the challenges I mean what do you

[00:25:31] what do you even say he's like this amazingly experienced guy if you just look if you're not

[00:25:35] familiar with Vic Armstrong's work just have a look at what he's done well he's got you know

[00:25:40] he's literally got he's got his own book so it's kind of like what can I add to this so I yeah

[00:25:45] I tried my best to kind of come at it from a slightly different angle but that was that was crazy

[00:25:50] that was really interesting so you know I'm like I'm saying I'm super fortunate that I've had the

[00:25:54] opportunity to talk to these guys and you do always walk away feeling inspired then the challenge for

[00:25:59] me is just to try to put that across in the book and hopefully when you read it you feel that

[00:26:04] that sense of excitement as well absolutely what you'd be republishing your books especially

[00:26:11] the first one which is out of print yeah so that's as I mentioned that's what I'm going to try

[00:26:15] to do so it's been out of print for a while there's basically there's quite a lot if it was easier

[00:26:21] would love to just do it if there's quite a lot of work involved but the second book is still

[00:26:27] available so if anyone wants to check that out it's on Amazon or it's on my website and Kindle

[00:26:33] and things like that but the first one is out of print so hopefully in some point in the future

[00:26:38] that would be that will be cool to make available sweet sweet and how did you get involved at the

[00:26:45] different conventions were you often invited by a lot of the stars to say hey we wanted to host

[00:26:50] Q&A panel yeah so I mean just trying to think back I mean it started really being like

[00:26:59] so in London the MCM Comic-Con event I was asked to it was actually actually an accident man I was

[00:27:05] asked to host that panel and since then I've been fortunate I've had the opportunity to

[00:27:11] do like the BFI in London done things with the BFI and the London Action Festival I mentioned

[00:27:20] in the shout out as well for the Fighting Spirit Film Festival which just had its eighth year

[00:27:25] running and I'm involved in that festival too so you know it's cool to be involved in these things

[00:27:30] and helping to again communicate hopefully that love and that passion for action in martial arts

[00:27:35] films in terms of being involved I think it's just you know those guys they like to have somebody who

[00:27:43] knows the subject as you know as anyone would and for me it's fun to be involved and meet like

[00:27:48] mindy people and you know it's like I could meet somebody like yourself they you know we're all

[00:27:52] fans we're all kind of hanging out so it's nice and I think with things like the BFI which is

[00:27:58] much more of a big film institution here in the UK it's not necessarily like action in martial arts

[00:28:05] led it's much more you know I'll say art house but it's like it's big films or it's kind of

[00:28:10] critically acclaimed you know good quality films which you know action in martial arts should also

[00:28:15] be acknowledged you know in that same in that same strand so I spoke to Sam Hargrave had

[00:28:22] an other conversation with him for the BFI film academy which Sam Hargrave again somebody else

[00:28:28] who's gone from Stunts into making the extraction movies and you know he's a really interesting

[00:28:32] guy as well so yeah I think for me it's like the real motivation for that is to help bring

[00:28:40] those conversations to dare I say like the masses and then have those conversations and hopefully

[00:28:45] help people acknowledge these films in the same kind of breath as the more commercial films or

[00:28:51] you know films that that win the awards because one of my biggest pet peeves is action being

[00:28:56] looked down on that's why I wanted um wanted to do that when you've been teaching screenwriting

[00:29:01] because the read page as a person A punches person B five times and you're like but what if that's

[00:29:09] part of the character building what if that's part of the genre and I've asked even sci-fi horror

[00:29:15] fans about this before and it seems like action falls victim to this too where half the time people

[00:29:19] just seem to I don't know just very un you know what gets called that versus what doesn't and it's

[00:29:27] like well even if there's only a limited amount of car cheeses everything if the point is excitement

[00:29:32] that should be action yeah and also what you need to remember is all of this um all of the excitement

[00:29:39] the drama the tension which you should feel that actually comes from story and character development so

[00:29:46] to create cool let's say action it could be cool horror it could be you know visual effects

[00:29:50] for sci-fi something like that but um to create these cool kind of hallmarks of these different

[00:29:56] genres obviously takes amazing skill so first start that should be recognizing acknowledge like

[00:30:01] you know stunts for action again the whole academy award conversation there or you know to create

[00:30:06] amazing visual effects and things like that these are all you know amazing skills that people have

[00:30:11] spend you know years honing their craft and training and all this kind of stuff but they're also not

[00:30:16] to forget uh good scripts and good character development they fuel the action so when you see an action

[00:30:21] movie that you are invested in and you're you're really sitting on the edge of your seat you know

[00:30:26] invested in these characters and what's going to happen that is far more compelling than if we're

[00:30:31] watching a bunch of you know maybe admittedly cool cast stunts or things blowing up or people

[00:30:37] fighting but we have no character so you know you do need to kind of bring these worlds together and

[00:30:44] when it's done well when it's done effectively you know these these films are great these films stand

[00:30:49] up you know you can name like you know that what would be acknowledged is like the top let's say

[00:30:53] the top top action films of all time or the top martial arts films of all time whether that's

[00:30:57] you know die hard or first blood if you want to count that as an action film or enter the dragon or

[00:31:02] all these different kinds of pictures you know they're great films they're great cinema they're not

[00:31:07] just oh it's it's okay for an action film that's another thing I don't like people say that you

[00:31:11] know it's like it's actually it's a good movie like the raid is a great movie if you don't like

[00:31:15] the violence you might not you might be a bit turned off by the extreme gore and things like that

[00:31:21] but it's objectively a good film it's a well-made film um and that comes from again not just

[00:31:27] the cool crazy action and the fight choreography and things like that it's also the story and the

[00:31:31] character development and the way it shot the cinematography and things like that so I think

[00:31:36] that's where you know it's important to acknowledge um quality where where it's deserved basically

[00:31:43] oh totally uh that and yeah you did say some very key points there it is really just sad that other

[00:31:49] than like say like the screen actors guild and immies that for tv the academy just keeps the ignoring

[00:31:58] stunts and uh I think what the last one that won it was like been her it's 59 yeah I mean I do think

[00:32:08] it's gonna change to be honest I I would predict in the next few years we're gonna have some kind of

[00:32:14] some some awards category it might not be you know it might not start out exactly it might be

[00:32:18] like an off I think they've even offered to have like the stunts you know unions have had like

[00:32:23] something that doesn't have to be televised it can be like a small thing but just to acknowledge

[00:32:27] just to have something I think all of this stuff is making um you know baby steps towards towards

[00:32:32] something I do think because it's just it's it's too obvious now and it seems they're strangely

[00:32:38] resisting it when obviously um you know so many so many awards are given out to departments that

[00:32:48] don't risk their lives that are great I'm not you know putting anything down but they don't

[00:32:51] risk their lives and obviously so much when so many of the the major best picture nominees let's say

[00:32:58] are epic action films or you know beautifully made big big scale um films with action um you have

[00:33:05] to at some point take the stunts into account uh that's lovely and I I do think the if anything the

[00:33:15] coordinators are gonna just keep getting more second unit or just big time directing gigs since

[00:33:22] they're speaking some of the same language and very considerate uh what have been some of the

[00:33:26] other coordinators that you've been fortunate to work with and see how they work and how they're

[00:33:31] also rising for the ranks yes I'm just just thinking um so I mean people I'm on the fan of I mean

[00:33:39] somebody like Tim Mann you know is a he's also he's in um life of action too yeah yeah yeah

[00:33:46] yeah adkins regular but he's also interesting guy he's also worked um he's what yeah he's worked with

[00:33:51] Isaac Florentine as well as adkins you know something like the acts of vengeance with Antonio

[00:33:56] Benderas you know I know in recent times Antonio Benderas has he's been more acknowledged for his

[00:34:01] action I know he did desparado but ironically back in the day he seems to do more gun action now

[00:34:05] he's actually doing more fighting um which is which is really cool yeah have you seen security

[00:34:11] and acts of vengeance yeah yeah yeah so yeah exactly so it's the these kind this kind of work you know

[00:34:15] he's very very good and Tim Mann also works in uh Bollywood as well and he's done some big big scope

[00:34:20] in his films um I think he's yeah he did he did the latest um Tiger Shrough film as well so um which

[00:34:26] hasn't at the time we're speaking now it hasn't just hasn't come out yet but it's out very soon

[00:34:30] I think so um yeah so he's you know he's great and again really um what's interesting about him

[00:34:36] is some of these you know some of the stunt coordinators you get they're good visionaries but they

[00:34:41] don't necessarily do the physical action or maybe they did once upon a time but less so now they're more

[00:34:45] you know they're not to say they're an armchair but they're cool they coordinate they look after

[00:34:49] those aspects and they don't necessarily do it themselves but um a lot of stunt people and even actors

[00:34:54] have told me we're working with Tim Mann it's like he will show you everything he expects you to do

[00:34:58] like crazy kicks flips everything and he'll actually exceed some of the actors like he'll show them

[00:35:06] stuff and it's like I can't do I can try and do a version of it or this but you know he's

[00:35:12] but yeah he's crazy talented and of course if you remember in Ninja 2 he had a great final

[00:35:16] fight scene with um Scott as well so I think so yeah um yeah so he's you know he's great and um

[00:35:23] yeah I mean there are so many like somebody like you know just shout out for Dan Stiles um who's

[00:35:28] a really talented up and coming um fight and stunt coordinator here in the UK uh he worked on

[00:35:33] avengement so um he's you know he I mean avengement was um you know it was nominated for Taurus

[00:35:40] award which is obviously a big deal bad as lovely stunt world and he's there those more yeah exactly

[00:35:46] but if you just go and if you haven't seen it watch the final fight scene um for avengement I think

[00:35:51] it's probably on YouTube in the pub um I wasn't in that scene but I was on set and I watched them do

[00:35:57] it and it was like absolutely brutal and that's a great example of you know the the real kind of

[00:36:03] gritty nastiness of the fight with utilizing you know Scott's physicality but it's not flashy

[00:36:10] it's done to be you know gritty and realistic and it's very nasty very violent but um

[00:36:14] but that film was damn thing that was great to be yeah yeah but I mean you know everything's got

[00:36:19] its place like you know um obviously some of Scott's work is more flamboyant with the kicks and

[00:36:23] everything whereas if it's more of like a gritty thriller or you know more of a grounded uh piece um

[00:36:30] you know the action should reflect that and avengement was you know it's it's nice to see that's

[00:36:35] become kind of a cult a bit of a cult classic um and obviously I you know I have a very small

[00:36:41] part in that in the prison I get to uh you know be beaten up as always you always get beaten up

[00:36:46] but in the prison scene at the beginning when he subsequently gets his face you know burnt with acid

[00:36:51] um I was in that as I say towards the end that that final fight in the pub I was I was just on set

[00:36:58] witnessing these guys beating the hell out of each other but that was good to see

[00:37:02] you know like I wonder how this is gonna play in the final cut you know

[00:37:06] no I mean it's it's funny because you know you just know I mean when you see when you when

[00:37:10] you're familiar with the work of you know Scott and Jesse and and um band styles was there so again

[00:37:16] credit to him and also Luke LaFontane I should say who's a great um stunt coordinator and has worked

[00:37:21] a lot with Jesse and he's linear to actually goes right back to working on Marshall Law and um

[00:37:25] you know with Samo and um drive with Mark de Cascos so uh Luke LaFontane is a very very experienced uh

[00:37:33] stunt stunt man and and coordinator but these guys when you're seeing them put it together you just

[00:37:38] what's what's funny if you've ever seen fight scenes like just done you know without being in the

[00:37:44] finished film you actually seeing them perform before you you get a lot of you get a lot of you know

[00:37:49] fast movement and it looks cool but there's obviously no sound because they're not connecting it's like

[00:37:55] no one's actually hitting each other of course they they you hope they shouldn't be

[00:37:58] but what makes it a hundred times more brutal is in the final cut once they start adding

[00:38:03] the cracks and the punches and the falling yeah the the real kind of like crunch and the the

[00:38:09] thud and somebody hitting the floor in the baseball bat that you know the it's actually a cricket

[00:38:13] bat in an event which you know cracking across someone's face and they add that sound it's oh god

[00:38:17] it's horrible but um of course they didn't hit each other um for real but um it's uh yeah it's

[00:38:24] fun to see it all come together um and I made I you know I made a short film um a number of years ago

[00:38:30] as well and that was a nice experience in terms of again editing and putting together the fight so

[00:38:34] you know I hit so much so much work goes into the edit and it's less of a problem now but historically

[00:38:39] that's where I think you know like Hollywood it was always a talk in the 90s it wasn't it

[00:38:43] yeah well well in like yeah it's made in the edit but so many action movies historically will

[00:38:49] like messed up in the edit and I think that's changed now um after like you know it was always

[00:38:54] blamed on it was like the aftermath of what born and taken in films like that where you know they

[00:38:59] were made a certain way for those movies and I think they worked in that context but everyone

[00:39:05] else tried to you know copycat shaky cam and things like this were using rather than using um

[00:39:11] certain effects like shaky cam to enhance or add energy into the into the scene they would use

[00:39:17] it to kind of hide inability of actors oh if we shake he cam you can't see that they're not very good

[00:39:23] or something like that um it's changed a lot now um you know I think as films become a lot more

[00:39:29] global um you've got you know Hollywood people working on far eastern films or far eastern people

[00:39:34] coming over and working on on western films um sharing knowledge and sharing techniques and ideas

[00:39:41] you know it's it's much more blurred it just it's funny if anyone's old enough to remember this

[00:39:45] whole thing it used to be like we used to praise the eastern action oh yeah Hong Kong's great blah blah

[00:39:50] and then Hollywood you know for a period of time didn't do action as well it seemed but that has changed

[00:39:56] now so it's nice it kind of makes you wish they could be on set looking at some of the same people like

[00:40:01] I hope someone can be on a newer Walter Hill or Antoin Foucault movie set and be looking at how

[00:40:08] they're doing greedy action and then like many years since they can be looking at how Jesse V. John

[00:40:14] center Isaac Forrentine are doing direct a video made for TV action and then even see how to

[00:40:22] sneak your movie into an action themed independent movie festival instead of just wait for a Marvel

[00:40:29] guy to call you yeah and I mean look it's what it's funny that you know I do think you know the

[00:40:35] the barriers as it were with a kind of coming down like again just to use examples we've talked

[00:40:39] about you know people like you know the JJ Perrys and these apart from being stunt coordinators

[00:40:46] you know they started out on like B movie martial arts action and now they're directing huge movies

[00:40:52] last track about me and time as he was like beating up on like Walker Texas Ranger but yeah then

[00:40:57] you see him in special features like Heywire was kind of where he really started being on like

[00:41:02] every other special feature but I remember even in like promos that would like be featured on

[00:41:08] the internet everything like scene and train draw Butler for 300 seeing him do fight scenes on 24

[00:41:14] and then following up with how in love he was with training Scott Atkins and Hugh Jackman on the

[00:41:20] set of X-Men Origins Wolverine and unlike see so he could as to him for just loving every part of what

[00:41:28] he does before the 87 action team really took off with the works of safe and John Wick yeah and I

[00:41:35] mean but what's really funny about this is you know there's not some there's not like some Hollywood

[00:41:41] gold badge or you know like Gold Sticker you earn it's like he came from the B movie martial arts world

[00:41:47] and he's incorporated all of that and funneled all his experience and and you know skill set

[00:41:52] into what are still you know major movies and like we're talking about you know Tim Mann

[00:41:58] came from out you know he's he he choreographs you know Isaac Fountain and Scott Atkins films

[00:42:02] but he's also the the fight coordinator on a new huge Tiger Shruff film so it's like

[00:42:08] his worlds are interconnected it's not actually it's not as segmented as people think to think again

[00:42:14] like you know if like the academy oh no we don't you know we we we shun action we're not interested in

[00:42:19] that it's like guys it's already it's already there like yeah the person is in the party you're not

[00:42:25] keeping them out it's all it's all interconnected and it's it's cool and it's inspiring to see that

[00:42:31] so it's like you know there's more people more people realize this and especially it's it's the

[00:42:35] kind of the decision makers and the powers that be you know we can we can get these these films

[00:42:41] better acknowledged by the awards ceremonies and you know more opportunities for me yeah for the actors

[00:42:46] and the stunt people and the filmmakers that make these kinds of movies and you know we can all

[00:42:50] all have fun kicking us and blowing stuff up together hopefully it's the kind of repetition

[00:42:58] that never gets all yeah do you have any upcoming projects you'd love to promote or

[00:43:06] not right now I mean I'm just trying to think I'm just not I mean I've been I've been working on

[00:43:12] other stuff that's just I can't really say much about at the moment and you know recently being

[00:43:17] involved in some of the film festivals here so I mentioned like the Frank Spirit Film Festival

[00:43:22] just had it's eight the if anyone who's it's a shame you know obviously outside of the UK you

[00:43:26] kind of experienced this but anyone who might be listening from the UK it's it's twice a year

[00:43:31] it's worth keeping an eye on what's going on because it's a great place to you know meet like

[00:43:35] minded people and see cool features on the big screen and they have awards and everything I've been

[00:43:40] on the awards jury for for eight years since the beginning and I recently I was recently at the

[00:43:46] the London Action Festival which just had its second year so hoping to do more of that and

[00:43:52] keep an eye on that one what those guys are doing because they've got you know they've got big plans

[00:43:55] as well I don't want to I can't say anything before they announce it but that's a cool festival and

[00:44:01] there's you know and hopefully doing doing more with them with other other film festivals around the

[00:44:05] world but as I say you know hopefully getting life of action one back in print would be a goal

[00:44:10] of mine in the near future for sure and you know anyone who hasn't checked out the second book

[00:44:15] you by the way you don't need to have read the first book to get the second book you think oh

[00:44:18] I'll wait till you know it's not a it's not a sequel you need to have seen the first movie it's

[00:44:23] it's a collection of interviews with you know a lot of interesting people and yeah and

[00:44:29] the well the first book is just a collection of interviews with with certain people the second book

[00:44:33] is a collection of interviews with more people so you could you could read it in any order so I would

[00:44:38] advise yeah if anyone wants to check that out the life of action two book is is still available now

[00:44:43] and as I say it's um it's on amazon and everything or it's on available on my website the sign

[00:44:49] copies some people some some people like to like to get those or a kindle you know e-books and

[00:44:54] things like that if you that's how you read your books so um so yeah and it's uh you know it's a fun

[00:44:58] the fun ride and yeah I hope people can uh I do still get messages from people even though it's

[00:45:03] been out a couple of years you know people still discover it or people ask me uh I'm not

[00:45:09] surprising if people still asking about the first book you know that's what you're gonna do

[00:45:12] yeah yeah yeah or like oh yeah doing this person so you know I appreciate it it's uh you know

[00:45:18] we're in a community that's very passionate about this subject which obviously I am too and you know

[00:45:23] I know that you also I appreciate any um you know any love and praise for that and it's uh

[00:45:29] it's cool to see yeah it's good it's good it's cool to see so many people getting behind it

[00:45:34] and it's also eye opening to see like that people can not only just talk about this but also

[00:45:41] want to keep the conversation going it's like oh well what a cool action movie I love your interest uh

[00:45:47] what can you recommend to me uh would have never seen it had you not recommended it to me uh well what uh

[00:45:54] oh who's another guy who's similar to this star who I should check out you know it's so it becomes

[00:45:59] an unofficial kind of like a book club kind of yeah and I think what's what's been quite fun is

[00:46:04] something that never really occurred to me but it makes sense as we talk about it is when you have

[00:46:08] these conversations well for me as an interviewer speaking to somebody you hear about movies or certain

[00:46:14] things that you think oh I'll check that out but then also people reading it think oh Zori Bell

[00:46:18] talked about working on this movie or even being inspired on you know at a young age by this movie

[00:46:25] oh I want to go and check that out now so it does kind of lead you down the rabbit hole of discovering

[00:46:29] different things which is which is really cool and um and again it's that I think that shared passion

[00:46:33] like we all come from a place of loving movies and being interested in movies so everybody from

[00:46:39] you know me writing the book you hosting this podcast to the actor on screen to the crew the person

[00:46:46] doing the lighting or doing the sound um you know as at some point as a young kid watch movies

[00:46:52] thought wow this is really cool I'd love to I'd love to you know do something in this business maybe

[00:46:56] I don't know what I'm gonna do yet but I want to figure something out and it's um so we we've all got

[00:47:01] these stories to share and you know we may have different influences and and kind of places we

[00:47:06] come from but basically we're all we're all joined in this way so I think it's cool and it's

[00:47:11] it's interesting to hear you know sometimes people aren't as uh you know people aren't just into the

[00:47:16] thing that you expect them to be they actually come from different places yeah and you know like even

[00:47:21] just just to take like let's let's just martial arts actors as a as a base you know some of them come

[00:47:26] from loving martial arts obviously training you know fighting having Bruce Lee posters and Van Dan

[00:47:31] posters some of them might be more dramatic um you know they're actually more interesting the drama

[00:47:36] but then they learn to do the the fight scenes or they came from stunts and they learn to act

[00:47:40] and things like that so it's like everyone's got their own their own story in their own journey

[00:47:43] and that's that's really interesting I think uh and uh given how you worked on short films do you

[00:47:49] recommend every action movie fan even if they don't want to be a filmmaker you know just do that

[00:47:53] for fun just to see so they get more of the passion on how hard it is to make a consistent story

[00:47:59] filled with stunts yeah I mean yeah I think if you're interested in uh instead of just looking at

[00:48:06] endless clickbait with bloopers and you're like okay no one could have predicted that 20 years ago

[00:48:12] yeah I mean I think the thing is with um with with technology now um you know basically we've got

[00:48:18] you know we've we've got phones we've got you know we we've got the ability most people have

[00:48:23] some kind of basic editing software on their cell phone you can you could basically you could get

[00:48:27] together with your buddy and shoot a short fight scene just for fun or it doesn't have to be a fight

[00:48:31] you know it could be a slapstick comedy routine it could be something so if you're interested in

[00:48:36] filmmaking even just a passing interest it's so easy to do now you don't you know once upon a time

[00:48:42] there were gatekeepers you had or you all certain obstacles like you had to get a camera you had

[00:48:46] to bed your parents to get your camera yeah higher yeah higher camera and then fine okay now how

[00:48:52] are we going to edit it now we don't need to find like get into an edit suite and things like this

[00:48:57] and there are some you know there's some like um some of the some of the people in

[00:49:03] um in in lot affection have talked about this but like having you know like Simon West is somebody I'm

[00:49:07] just just actually remembered while we're talking about this but you know obviously like look the

[00:49:11] director of Kahn-Ehr and films like this but he actually started out at the BBC which is you know

[00:49:15] not doing TV which is not what you'd expect but he used to kind of practice his editing and

[00:49:21] he was able to use facilities that he had access to fortunately for his kind of like day job

[00:49:26] you know to hone his skills and do so you know that isn't the case now you don't need to

[00:49:31] you don't need to have like a day job where you can get into the office and work on stuff or

[00:49:35] have a buddy who can get you in or get you a camera or get you can basically just shoot something

[00:49:39] on your phone edit it and you could like instantly upload it to Instagram or YouTube.

[00:49:44] I was working with snubs around the same time that uh what's his name?

[00:49:49] Steven Soderbergh started going digital and it's like it doesn't matter guys we're all gonna use

[00:49:54] this at some point. Yeah yeah and of course like you know the film the film is cool like I love to see

[00:49:59] you know I like the fact that like Tarantino still shoots on film was based you know

[00:50:03] I'm sure he'll continue to say for his last because last one that's awesome but nothing wrong with

[00:50:07] digital um it's all about how you shoot you know and again having a good story good script good character

[00:50:13] um but you know yeah it's it's there and it's available so basically if you're interested then

[00:50:17] you want to try it it's there's kind of no excuse you could just do something you could even if you

[00:50:22] want to make a short documentary about you know a cat in your local park or something you could just

[00:50:26] take your phone I just do something or so so it's there and it's available so I think yeah why

[00:50:31] why not use it you know because I'm sure the uh our forefathers from the world of cinema would have

[00:50:37] like absolutely loved this you know people yeah decades ago who never had the opportunity but um

[00:50:42] yeah it's is there so it's definitely worth worth having a shot anything to just make it

[00:50:48] easier to do all of this yeah for sure and I mean you know like again just I think the only

[00:50:54] counter to that I'd say is it's important to not be lazy with it so obviously the fact that we've

[00:51:00] got it and we can shoot and we can edit great but again still put time and effort into write a good

[00:51:05] script come up with a good story um you know find uh you know find your niche find the kind of the

[00:51:13] the voice you you want to use in your in your film or just the kind of story you want to tell and

[00:51:17] again that's it doesn't have to be perfect first time you can you can you can you can you can practice

[00:51:22] and actually practicing will make it better and remember that the first thing you shoot or the

[00:51:26] first stuff you shoot doesn't have to go on the internet we do live in a culture now where

[00:51:30] everyone excitedly and I fully understand you want to upload everything I mean

[00:51:36] in my kitchen yeah five gigs yeah exactly but like when you're ready of course when you're

[00:51:41] ready when you're confident when you want to by all means share the thing post the thing if you

[00:51:45] want to but there's nothing wrong with just practicing and actually that's something that

[00:51:49] you know before the internet age there was probably a lot more practicing took place before

[00:51:55] because you know there wasn't the functionality of just uploading something to the internet or

[00:51:59] whatever but there's nothing wrong with practicing hone your skills and just enjoy the process and you

[00:52:03] would naturally get get better at the time I think that's a good point too people forget you know now

[00:52:08] there's like 50 different sites for every topic they used to be stuff like that you really had to

[00:52:13] kind of bite the bullet and do so much experimenting before you could actually find something very detailed

[00:52:18] and thorough yeah yeah now you got so many sites that are doing pretty much of the same kind of

[00:52:24] pros and cons like hey we tested this we wasted money on this so you didn't have to yeah yeah for sure

[00:52:31] and if you like what you read you might consider purchasing this yeah absolutely but I think

[00:52:38] you know it's like look it's a it's a digital age we live in I know this sounds like of course I

[00:52:43] mean it's kind of like an adult an old man's statement but you know look we we have the tools we

[00:52:47] have the the platforms if you're interested in writing you can you know you can go right you can you

[00:52:52] can publish your work you can again you can shoot short films and you can upload them you can even

[00:52:59] just shoot short fight scenes you know if you're if you're a fight guy if you're interested in

[00:53:04] the martial arts side you know there are some really talented you know really impressive stunt teams

[00:53:08] who just have you know they have YouTube channels and they just upload their clips and again it's

[00:53:12] practice and people feedback and I'm sure the comments you know people probably say yeah this is

[00:53:16] awesome or I didn't like this or whatever you don't have don't have to read the comments I'm not

[00:53:20] encouraging that but you know basically there's a lot of these these kind of environments where you can

[00:53:26] practice hone your skills but also you know it's a community you can kind of meet like

[00:53:29] minded people and follow people that inspire you and hopefully that's that's a fun thing to do

[00:53:35] uh thousand percent my dude that this is but this has also been just good at just kind of reminding

[00:53:41] everybody not only that we always try to go beyond the holes the sky's the limit routine and go

[00:53:46] even more into just make it or break it don't instead do something a little even more productive

[00:53:53] instead of just staring at YouTube videos and getting outraged at what you don't like channel

[00:53:58] the energy into something you want to put to put to task uh and like let's say you don't want to

[00:54:05] be on a film set all day it's long hours you might just say hey I'm gonna come up with ideas and hire

[00:54:09] someone to adapt my ideas you know yeah and it's like finding you know I think by by doing things

[00:54:15] you find what you like and don't like it's like you know everyone's got a different path and

[00:54:22] not everyone not everyone can't do everything like I've certainly got you know as I've

[00:54:26] gotten older it's like I have you know I have strengths and weaknesses like all of us all I have

[00:54:30] things that I would put myself forward for you could I'd say you know cam if you need you need this

[00:54:35] done call me I'm your guy but if you need this done or I'm probably not the best guy for that but I

[00:54:39] recommend five other people yeah so and that that's absolutely fine and I think

[00:54:44] something you kind of go through maybe especially as a younger person is you you think you should

[00:54:48] be good at everything or you want to be good at everything or at least that all emotion but it's

[00:54:53] you know it's impossible and nobody's good at everything but I think you know not to be too like

[00:54:58] preachy about success and things like that but it's most of the people that we look up to whether

[00:55:03] it would be you know in we could talk about them with film with cinema you know they have strengths

[00:55:07] that they lean into and probably other things that they don't um and um that's absolutely fine but

[00:55:13] it's you know it it reaps the best results right so you're more likely to have success with you

[00:55:18] know pursuing the things that you're that you're good at and you realize you're good at but again

[00:55:21] that's not going to come to you until unless and until you try different things so it's just you know

[00:55:27] trying different things but be be open be honest you might you might also discover you're good at

[00:55:31] something or you like something you didn't expect you would so that's cool as well there was no telling

[00:55:37] what we could give it are all yeah exactly well thank you very so much again uh that

[00:55:45] because this was just thorough this was also a breakdown as opposed to just

[00:55:51] let's go here let's go there uh you took me on a journey here and oh thanks come I appreciate

[00:55:56] that thank you very much and again thank you for having me and i'm glad that we're finally

[00:55:59] able to make some time to talk anytime and well you're you're welcome back especially if you

[00:56:06] want to just talk about your favorite movie or tv show sure sure man that'd be great thank you

[00:56:12] and you know again thank you for what you do and the podcast and i know you cover a wide range of

[00:56:17] topics as well it's not just movies it's like tv video games and different different subjects but

[00:56:21] it's cool man and it's all interconnected and you know i appreciate what you do and um

[00:56:26] again grateful for you asking me so yeah man it'll be great to talk again anytime any variety anything

[00:56:32] we can just outreach and just remind everybody hey remember when this was a big deal whenever

[00:56:38] yeah man why did you know man inspire a nation yeah show man come so thank you very much

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