Bonus Interview with Comedy Writer Joey Clift

[00:00:00] Welcome to Jacked Up Review Show!

[00:00:30] review show.

[00:00:45] Welcome all, welcome all to the show.

[00:00:46] I'm your host Sully and with us

[00:00:48] we got another invaluable cartoon

[00:00:51] and sitcom writer in the form of Joey Clift.

[00:00:54] Yeah, how's it going, everybody?

[00:00:55] Thanks so much for having me.

[00:00:56] I'm excited to guest on the show.

[00:00:58] Woo, invisible audience out there.

[00:01:00] We did it.

[00:01:01] So you've been a busy man.

[00:01:04] Been working on all kinds of different platforms

[00:01:07] and writers rooms.

[00:01:09] But first of all, where did it all begin?

[00:01:12] Oh, yeah, for sure.

[00:01:13] Yeah.

[00:01:13] So, yeah, I've most of my career has been kind of in the animation space.

[00:01:17] But I originally got started.

[00:01:21] I would say I went to school for like

[00:01:26] I went to school because I originally thought that I wanted to be like

[00:01:29] a small market TV weather guy.

[00:01:32] Like, you know, yeah, like basically like,

[00:01:35] you know, reporting the weather in a small town,

[00:01:37] they get to have like fun personalities and stuff like that.

[00:01:39] And if you're wrong, you can't be fired.

[00:01:41] Yeah, yeah, totally.

[00:01:42] Yeah, it feels like it's the most

[00:01:44] it feels like it's the hardest to get fired from TV news job.

[00:01:49] But while I was doing all this,

[00:01:51] you know, small TV weather stuff, like basically I was also doing

[00:01:55] a lot of, you know, college TV kind of my college.

[00:01:58] And my professors kind of saw what I was doing and basically pulled me aside

[00:02:01] and said, hey, it's like clear you want to work in comedy.

[00:02:04] Why don't you just do that?

[00:02:05] So, you know, I took their advice, moved to L.A.

[00:02:10] Through alumni connections, got like a really good job

[00:02:12] as the assistant to the guys who created the show Scare Tactics on Sci Fi.

[00:02:17] And that was that was super fun.

[00:02:18] One of your first gigs.

[00:02:20] Oh, yeah, yeah, that was like a month into moving to L.A.,

[00:02:22] which is like I lucked out huge.

[00:02:24] And then just like dove into the L.A.

[00:02:26] comedy scene, like places like, you know, Pritz, it's just a bit theater,

[00:02:28] a second city and all that and just, you know, kind of like

[00:02:30] work my way up from there, basically.

[00:02:33] And those are the stories you kind of remember

[00:02:36] just because they are just so nutty.

[00:02:39] Just.

[00:02:40] Yeah, the entertainment industry, it's like a wild industry

[00:02:43] and that like I feel like if you ask ten different writers

[00:02:47] or actors what their path was, you're going to get ten different answers

[00:02:51] just because it's like there's not like a clear ladder.

[00:02:53] It's like you kind of like, you know, you just like hustle

[00:02:55] until you make it basically.

[00:02:58] And I love how you're also just very proud of your heritage

[00:03:03] and you're just very progressive in the material that you're covering.

[00:03:07] But what tips and tricks do you would you say you have for today's generation

[00:03:10] who have to remind others

[00:03:13] that you should always be proud of your family tree and.

[00:03:17] Never feel like you got to fit into a certain demographic or group.

[00:03:20] Oh, yeah, for sure.

[00:03:21] Yeah, I'm like Native American enrolled cowlits and like

[00:03:25] and like I grew up on the 12 res in Washington State.

[00:03:27] And I'm just somebody that like

[00:03:29] growing up on a res, I was like always surrounded by

[00:03:32] just like really awesome native culture.

[00:03:34] And like my mom is like, you know, she's where I get kind of my cowlits

[00:03:37] side of my family.

[00:03:38] And, you know, she would always like, you know, invite me to pow wows

[00:03:41] and stuff like that when I was a kid.

[00:03:42] Remember, it was the sort of thing where it was like

[00:03:44] where like she would invite me to that and I'd be like, no,

[00:03:47] I'm playing Grand Theft Auto three or whatever.

[00:03:49] And then like I think as I got older, I started to realize like one,

[00:03:54] like, you know, I mean, like Grand Theft Auto three is very fun.

[00:03:58] But like maybe I should have

[00:04:00] gone with my mom to some of those pow wows.

[00:04:02] Yeah.

[00:04:03] And, you know, too, I think that like, I don't know.

[00:04:07] It's like it's

[00:04:09] I think it's cool to be proud of like where you came from.

[00:04:13] And that doesn't necessarily have to mean like, you know, genealogy.

[00:04:16] But it's just like, you know, what state you're from or what country you're from

[00:04:19] or what, you know, what your upbringing is.

[00:04:22] It's just like be proud of who you are, you know?

[00:04:25] And, you know, I kind of found myself in this spot when I like

[00:04:28] started getting involved in the L.A.

[00:04:29] comedy scene where it's like, you know, like I like I was like

[00:04:33] a mentor for the Native Student Center at my college.

[00:04:35] I've like always been just like, you know, involved in like that kind of stuff.

[00:04:40] And, you know, I just noticed that like I knew a lot of really funny

[00:04:44] Native comedians through like kind of Native Hollywood, the collection of like,

[00:04:48] you know, 500 or so Native folks that work in the entertainment industry.

[00:04:51] But like I didn't really know a lot of funny Native comedians who were like

[00:04:54] getting opportunities at kind of big mainstream comedy theaters like

[00:04:57] UCB and stuff like that.

[00:04:59] It's so hard to break in.

[00:05:01] Yeah. Well, it's hard to break in.

[00:05:02] But it's also one of those things where you like you realize,

[00:05:05] oh, part of it's that like if there's never been a Native person

[00:05:09] in that position before, there's never been somebody to like kind of

[00:05:15] let the door open for other Native folks, you know?

[00:05:17] So like, you know, that's something like once I kind of noticed

[00:05:20] that I was one of the few Native folks getting those opportunities,

[00:05:22] I really tried to like, you know, like be very vocal about my heritage,

[00:05:26] just like for visibility and using my position to kind of like give

[00:05:29] other super funny Native comedians opportunities.

[00:05:31] This was around the 2010s or?

[00:05:34] This was like 20 probably like between 20.

[00:05:37] I mean, once I got on a house team at UCB in like 2013, it was like

[00:05:41] I was like trying to get it to happen.

[00:05:44] And then like, it just, I don't know, like the artistic directors

[00:05:48] of theater at the time were really weird.

[00:05:49] And I remember like there was this one time where they like

[00:05:52] or asked if I could do like an all Native comedy showcase.

[00:05:55] And they said that there wasn't room on the schedule for it.

[00:05:58] Meanwhile, they scheduled 12 Star Wars comedy bit shows in one week.

[00:06:01] And I'm like, yo, you couldn't have done 11.

[00:06:04] But, you know, after a few years, like artistic directors changed

[00:06:06] and, you know, new artists directors were more into the idea.

[00:06:10] You're not the only one I hear Andy Richter on his podcast talked about

[00:06:13] how he avoided one of those second city type.

[00:06:17] UCB type things just because he knew the one of the professors

[00:06:20] there just really hated his guts.

[00:06:22] He's like, yeah, I'm not going to go in a class and have this guy,

[00:06:24] you know, demean me in front of everyone.

[00:06:27] Yeah, it's weird.

[00:06:27] I think it gives you like a good comedy education, but it is like,

[00:06:31] but it's like like anything else.

[00:06:33] It's like, you know, it ultimately becomes high school, right?

[00:06:36] You know, where it's just like, and I think that that's just like,

[00:06:39] it's just a new like social thing.

[00:06:40] Isn't it wild?

[00:06:41] I go as in stages because like I went, I did, I studied improv in high school garbage.

[00:06:46] Everyone's just imitating SNL and show, but no one's actually

[00:06:52] if you try to do something, you're not funny.

[00:06:55] And then college was very serious.

[00:06:57] Everyone was like, go for it, man.

[00:06:59] You know, and it people who just wanted to be entrepreneurs or business types

[00:07:03] would also take it because it was kind of like becoming a salesman.

[00:07:07] You wanted to learn acting, persona, where you stand, how you present yourself.

[00:07:13] And so it was a double win.

[00:07:15] I still love improv because it allowed me to just realize

[00:07:20] not just the sky's limit, just the whole make a split decision

[00:07:24] instead of just waiting permission for something to exist or, you know,

[00:07:28] so if, if someone says you got to go, you know,

[00:07:34] buy a ticket to another country,

[00:07:36] I'm just like, I'm going on Spirit.

[00:07:38] Boom.

[00:07:39] It's not do you want American Airlines?

[00:07:41] Do you want that?

[00:07:42] You know, no more of the thinking endlessly, you know, in a pickle.

[00:07:48] Yeah.

[00:07:49] Yeah.

[00:07:49] Well, I think that like the first improv class I took at UCB,

[00:07:52] the class was like half like, you know, actors,

[00:07:54] comedians and half just like lawyers and accountants that like,

[00:07:58] that wanted to be like funnier in meetings when for their accountant jobs.

[00:08:02] Oh, they're all super nice.

[00:08:03] But it's like,

[00:08:04] really, but I, but you, but it's like, you think about it and you're like,

[00:08:08] yeah, improv has a lot of really good tools to just help with like life.

[00:08:12] You know,

[00:08:13] do you ever meet up with some of your classmates on occasion where you're like,

[00:08:16] oh, we, we got to just do a seminar just to catch out.

[00:08:19] Let's go to the next live comedy show you guys are hosting.

[00:08:22] Oh, yeah.

[00:08:23] Yeah.

[00:08:23] Like I still like I took my first improv class, like, you know,

[00:08:26] in 2010 so forever ago and like, yeah, we're, we still like,

[00:08:30] you know, running into each other right here and like, you know, text each other

[00:08:33] and like, we're all friends.

[00:08:35] Lovely.

[00:08:37] And I see that you produced one of the going back on your heritage again,

[00:08:44] and how you got just such a welcoming voice.

[00:08:48] Yeah, you produced one of the reservation dogs making up panels.

[00:08:52] Have you ever, and yet you met some of those actors and everything.

[00:08:55] Have you ever thought of working on very progressive shows like either that or dark

[00:09:00] winds with Zahn and company.

[00:09:03] Yeah, I actually I was a writer consulting producer on a like a Netflix

[00:09:07] series called spirit Rangers that was like, yeah, it's like that was it was

[00:09:11] like the first ever kids animated series like created by a native person,

[00:09:14] but genius shoe mesh TV writer Chris Valencia with like an all native writers

[00:09:17] room and I was part of that writers room.

[00:09:19] So yeah, I've definitely like worked in that space a lot and like,

[00:09:22] I don't know.

[00:09:22] It's like, it's so it's so cool because those shows are like

[00:09:26] the first shows in history created by a native person in the United States.

[00:09:30] No one's exploited.

[00:09:32] No person is whitewashed in a role.

[00:09:34] It's all it's all in the blood.

[00:09:37] Yeah, but it's also just like, it's just a cool experience to like

[00:09:41] go into a writers room full of people who all know who like red bone is,

[00:09:45] you know, or like, you know, like insert native thing, you know.

[00:09:49] And yeah, so it's like I worked on spirit Rangers for two and a half years

[00:09:52] and I definitely, you know, hope to, you know, what is the skin walker?

[00:09:57] Yeah, we all know.

[00:09:57] It's all a GT.

[00:10:00] Yeah, it's like there's not never a point where like somebody's going to call

[00:10:03] a meeting a powwow and we have to just be like, hey, actually a powwow is not

[00:10:07] a meeting like, you know.

[00:10:10] Oh, totally.

[00:10:11] And it's just cool to have these kinds of just pleasant cartoons also,

[00:10:17] you know, because there's just so many other ones you'll look at on TV

[00:10:20] and you're like, whoa, how'd that get a PG rating?

[00:10:23] It's very gross and sexual even, you know,

[00:10:28] talking up to it.

[00:10:29] They've got poop talking on legs.

[00:10:31] That's I don't want to show a kid that I mean, look as a comedy writer,

[00:10:34] that's an A plus joke is talking poop.

[00:10:36] That's that's my go.

[00:10:37] Yeah, I know.

[00:10:39] But I go to nightmarish visuals.

[00:10:42] Give them a few more years before we go into Tim Burton territory, you know.

[00:10:48] What are some other tips and tricks that you recommend to any struggling writer

[00:10:52] on just setting your time management, outlining your vision

[00:10:56] and just figuring out how to pitch?

[00:11:00] Oh, yeah, for sure.

[00:11:00] Yeah.

[00:11:01] So a couple things on that.

[00:11:03] Like such a big question.

[00:11:05] I would say that like at least for myself, I try to look at it

[00:11:09] as like it's important to win the day.

[00:11:10] So it's like that doesn't necessarily mean that every day

[00:11:13] you're going to sit down and write an amazing script.

[00:11:15] But like if you sit down and like, I don't know, spend 20 minutes

[00:11:19] just like making your outline a little bit better or like do it

[00:11:22] we're like working on a script a little bit like eventually you're going

[00:11:25] to like edge the ball down the field to the end zone, you know.

[00:11:29] And like, you know, it's okay if things take you a little while.

[00:11:31] Don't get too discouraged.

[00:11:33] You know, like I think that the more that you do it,

[00:11:37] the more comfortable that you get doing it.

[00:11:39] But that's to say that when you start, it's like it does take

[00:11:42] a little bit to get the motivation up.

[00:11:44] But like, you know, so yeah, just like win the day.

[00:11:46] Like don't be don't feel discouraged if you only do a little bit every day.

[00:11:49] But if you do like five minutes of work, eventually that'll add up

[00:11:52] to like a finished kickass script, you know.

[00:11:54] And then just like be nice to people.

[00:11:56] Like this is like a relationship based industry where like people tend

[00:12:00] to hire people that they, you know, know or work with before.

[00:12:03] Like I think that for me most of the jobs that I get come from

[00:12:07] like people that I did UCB shows with it like 2013 in 2013 or so

[00:12:10] we were doing midnight bit shows in front of six drunk people

[00:12:13] or whatever, you know.

[00:12:16] And yeah, so it's like say be nice to people, you know, definitely

[00:12:20] write like I think that as a writer, the key to success is to like

[00:12:25] create work that you're proud of and then put it out into the world.

[00:12:28] So it's like, you know, if you write a script, make a short film

[00:12:30] and then submit it to festivals.

[00:12:32] If you want to do comedy, try stand up or improv or something like that.

[00:12:35] Just like situations where people can see you actively be funny

[00:12:38] and good at your craft while also having like, you know,

[00:12:41] good scripts to back it up when somebody says like,

[00:12:43] well, you're really funny.

[00:12:44] Do you have like any writing samples or anything?

[00:12:47] And then and then you were talking about this earlier.

[00:12:49] I feel like we skipped past it.

[00:12:51] I was just like, I've just like, you know, writing from place of like

[00:12:54] my heritage and my background and stuff is like,

[00:12:57] I think that what you're ultimately like selling as a writer is like

[00:13:02] you're kind of selling your story.

[00:13:04] So or at least it's like your unique POV based on your story.

[00:13:07] So I think it's like, I think it's important to

[00:13:11] or you're going to get some of your best work

[00:13:13] when you write about stuff that you care about.

[00:13:16] Like, you know, if you really love like I'm a big professional wrestling fan.

[00:13:21] And like, I remember the first time that I did like

[00:13:23] a professional wrestling themed bit in a comedy show.

[00:13:26] And that was like more fun than like any other bit that I'd done before that.

[00:13:30] Because it's like, oh, I really care about pro wrestling.

[00:13:33] And these are all like deep nerd pro wrestling references.

[00:13:35] And like, yeah, that's pro wrestling.

[00:13:37] And, you know, like I also feel, you know,

[00:13:39] maybe more intensely about writing from like,

[00:13:41] you know, about native stuff.

[00:13:42] But it's just like that.

[00:13:43] That was my upbringing, something that I really care about

[00:13:45] and I'm passionate about.

[00:13:46] And like, it's never going away.

[00:13:49] Yeah. And I'm just and I just feel like

[00:13:51] it's so much more fulfilling to write, to tell those stories.

[00:13:54] So it's like, I would just think about like as a writer, like,

[00:13:57] what do you care about?

[00:13:58] Like, what do you like really give a shit about?

[00:14:01] And like, write about that and try to write jokes about that.

[00:14:04] And like what you write is going to be so much more unique

[00:14:07] than if you were just trying to write like the best Batman joke or whatever.

[00:14:10] Unless Batman is something you desperately care about,

[00:14:12] then write a Batman joke, you know?

[00:14:15] Lovely.

[00:14:17] So and that's a mouthful to.

[00:14:25] Why do you think you're as organized as you are, too?

[00:14:28] Because, you know, some people like to kind of just

[00:14:31] ride all night until the jokes finally emerge and other times,

[00:14:35] like you say, you had a lot of spacing out techniques.

[00:14:39] I'm.

[00:14:42] Why do you think so many will just kind of just stress on the deadline

[00:14:46] while realizing, you know, hey, you know, you got to make it,

[00:14:49] but it's not going away.

[00:14:52] Yeah, well, I think that for me, it's like it's like 50% necessity.

[00:14:56] Like, I'm a writer. That's like how I pay my bills.

[00:14:58] So it's like for me, like, like I had a deadline

[00:15:02] an hour before we jumped on the zoom and I was definitely like rushing today

[00:15:05] to like get it out the door by six p.m., you know, and I dare.

[00:15:09] And I hit it right at six p.m.

[00:15:12] But I think that like so I think that once you've written

[00:15:15] like a certain type of thing a few times, like, you know,

[00:15:17] a half hour sitcom or like a quarter hour comedy

[00:15:20] or animation script or whatever, you start to learn

[00:15:22] like how long it takes for you to write that sort of thing.

[00:15:25] So it's like for me, like I know how many days

[00:15:28] it takes for me to write like a first draft of a kid's quarter hour script

[00:15:31] or like a first draft of like a half hour sitcom.

[00:15:34] So it's like in that case, I just know to carve out

[00:15:37] a couple of days or a week or whatever for that kind of thing.

[00:15:39] And then it's just like if my deadline is, you know,

[00:15:43] today at six p.m., then I just back time it.

[00:15:45] I'm just like, OK, so I need to start on this

[00:15:47] or I need to put like X amount of days on it.

[00:15:49] So that means to get it done by that deadline.

[00:15:52] I need to start it on this day at this time, you know?

[00:15:55] And that's just like, you know, to pay my bills and do jobs

[00:15:59] so that they keep hiring me.

[00:16:01] But, you know, as far as personal stuff goes

[00:16:03] where there's not necessarily a deadline,

[00:16:05] I think it's just like I feel like I'm in a fortunate position where,

[00:16:12] like, you know, I feel like I'm at a point in my career

[00:16:14] where I get like offered a lot of stuff

[00:16:17] that I don't necessarily say yes to.

[00:16:19] And so I think that for me, it's like reminding myself

[00:16:24] like when I wake up in the morning, like,

[00:16:26] OK, I turned down a job that would have paid me this much money

[00:16:31] so that I could have time to write this script that I just want to write.

[00:16:34] So like, make sure that I do that, because if I didn't,

[00:16:37] then I just wasted all of the money

[00:16:39] that was offered for the job I turned down, you know?

[00:16:42] So it's like those are kind of motivators.

[00:16:44] It's just sort of like understanding that when it gets to it,

[00:16:47] kind of all you have is time and like making sure

[00:16:49] that like you are using your time wisely, you know?

[00:16:54] Totally.

[00:16:56] It can be made easier, but there's always some distraction going on.

[00:17:01] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[00:17:02] Well, I mean, I've got like just like practical stuff of like I like

[00:17:05] I listen to like when I'm writing a lot of like

[00:17:09] like I'm looking at a YouTube video right now

[00:17:11] that's like three hours of gentle night rain,

[00:17:14] rain sounds for sleeping.

[00:17:16] And it's like I listen to that while writing.

[00:17:18] And it's just like, oh, man, the sound of rain on a YouTube video

[00:17:21] or it's like meditation music.

[00:17:23] Yeah. Or like, I don't know.

[00:17:24] It's like I listen to like Final Fantasy guitar

[00:17:28] covers over the sound of a fireplace or like something.

[00:17:32] So it's like, you know, you kind of find stuff like that

[00:17:35] to just like what's the if you need that to help you

[00:17:38] like zone in and sit down and write like, you know, go for it

[00:17:41] or like something I used to do is like

[00:17:43] I would just like go to Denny's and like order

[00:17:46] like a skillet or something like that.

[00:17:48] And then I would just like know, okay, they've got like free Wi-Fi at Denny's.

[00:17:52] So I'm just like I'm paying for this skillet,

[00:17:54] but I'm also paying to be at this Denny's for like 90 minutes

[00:17:57] to get some writing done.

[00:17:58] So I better not just look at Twitter while I'm at this Denny's.

[00:18:01] There you go.

[00:18:02] So it's like you just kind of find like what's the thing

[00:18:06] that gets that helps you write and then like

[00:18:10] and then just do that thing, you know, it sounds it's been that takes

[00:18:13] I think that takes a little bit for people

[00:18:15] because I feel like everybody works a little bit differently

[00:18:17] as to like what's the thing that helps them focus.

[00:18:19] But it's like once you find it, it's like for me,

[00:18:22] that's kind of key and just getting the shit done.

[00:18:25] It goes back to the whole form of improv.

[00:18:27] Don't try to be funny, just listen, observe.

[00:18:30] Yeah, well, just like listen to yourself.

[00:18:32] And it's just like what works for you

[00:18:33] because like, you know, what works for you

[00:18:35] might not work for somebody else.

[00:18:36] But like once you find what works for you,

[00:18:38] it's easier to kind of get the wheels turning.

[00:18:41] Essentially it.

[00:18:43] And it's just also cool that you found a form of happiness

[00:18:47] instead of, well, I'm going to keep doing this

[00:18:50] until you know, the roof goes up in flames.

[00:18:53] Oh, I mean, I definitely do feel that way

[00:18:56] about the entertainment industry that it's just like,

[00:18:57] maybe it's a second ship.

[00:18:59] Who knows?

[00:18:59] Don't get too comfy.

[00:19:02] Yeah, well, I think it's just like the entertainment industry.

[00:19:04] It's just like it's just like built on a foundation of sand

[00:19:08] and it's like, you know, new companies

[00:19:10] and new streamers and new networks

[00:19:11] like will spring up and then collapse three years later.

[00:19:14] And it just happens ad nauseam.

[00:19:17] So it's like for me, it's just like, oh, you know,

[00:19:20] I like telling stories and I like writing.

[00:19:22] And I hope Netflix doesn't screw the food,

[00:19:25] John and spirit Rangers.

[00:19:27] Netflix is great.

[00:19:28] We got a new season coming out next year.

[00:19:30] All right, good because they've been doing it

[00:19:32] for so many others.

[00:19:33] Where you're just like, seriously,

[00:19:35] you could have told them.

[00:19:37] It's like, no, we definitely have a season three

[00:19:38] that's coming out next year.

[00:19:39] I love cartoons, but they're so mean to live action.

[00:19:46] So what you were talking about,

[00:19:48] what scared tactics earlier,

[00:19:51] do you have any hysterical Tracy Morgan stories?

[00:19:56] Okay. So like honestly, I don't think I have

[00:19:57] any hysterical Tracy Morgan stories.

[00:19:59] I was like, so they shot that show in New York

[00:20:03] and I was in office in Los Angeles.

[00:20:05] So like they shot all Tracy Morgan's,

[00:20:07] you know, like host bits in New York

[00:20:08] because that's where he lives.

[00:20:09] And so it's like my hilarious Tracy Morgan stories

[00:20:14] are that I wrote bits for the show

[00:20:17] and he said the bits and I was excited

[00:20:19] that he said the bits.

[00:20:22] It doesn't matter if it wasn't the best take

[00:20:24] or if you didn't say it believably,

[00:20:25] you're like, oh yeah, at that point,

[00:20:27] at that point I'd been in LA for like two months.

[00:20:29] So that I was writing jokes for Tracy Morgan

[00:20:31] is like insane, you know.

[00:20:33] That's lovely.

[00:20:34] I was able to interview Matt Galant,

[00:20:35] ESPN, MTV News, you might know him best

[00:20:38] from Planet's Funniest Animals, that Pat.

[00:20:41] And he talked about how, you know, half the time

[00:20:44] it's just like, it doesn't matter

[00:20:45] the pun you're about to say on the teleprompter

[00:20:47] wasn't worth the shit.

[00:20:48] It's just like, I'm going to say it.

[00:20:50] I'm going to kick ass at it.

[00:20:51] That's kind of just the mentality

[00:20:52] you have after a while.

[00:20:53] Something's got to go in the can

[00:20:55] and it's easy to be a little workman-like

[00:20:57] but you let everyone else worry about that, you know.

[00:20:59] Yeah, well that's like,

[00:21:00] that's what's so cool about like

[00:21:02] writing for good hosts is like,

[00:21:05] like I wrote, I was a writer for Nerdist.

[00:21:08] I'm working with a really good host

[00:21:09] named Jessica Chobot for a while

[00:21:11] and she's just like this fantastic

[00:21:13] host personality person.

[00:21:15] They're very comedian friendly.

[00:21:17] Yeah, yeah and it's like,

[00:21:18] I remember I would like write jokes

[00:21:19] for Nerdist News for her to say

[00:21:21] and I would think while writing it like,

[00:21:23] oh this is like, this joke is like not great

[00:21:25] but it's, you know, like I have an hour to write it

[00:21:27] and we've got to turn around quick

[00:21:28] so it's like I'm not, you know,

[00:21:30] I'm doing my best.

[00:21:31] And then she would like,

[00:21:32] and then we would go to record it

[00:21:34] and she would just like sell the F out of that joke

[00:21:37] and like I would see her perform and I'd be like,

[00:21:39] oh that actually was a pretty good joke.

[00:21:42] So like hosting is like a good,

[00:21:43] it's like a, it's a specific skill set.

[00:21:45] Whenever I work with hosts that are good,

[00:21:47] I'm just like, oh you're like a different breed, you know?

[00:21:51] And that's it, like the cooperation

[00:21:54] and collaboration, you know,

[00:21:55] anything can misfire, you know,

[00:21:57] and at half the time you'll talk to actors

[00:22:00] and some of them got such a big head,

[00:22:02] oh I liked it until I got cut out.

[00:22:04] I'm like, yeah but you still got to be part

[00:22:05] of a major motion picture.

[00:22:06] Then there's other ones where it's like,

[00:22:08] yeah they said it, but you know,

[00:22:12] we'll leave it to history on whether or not,

[00:22:15] you know, it was a wonderful ensemble

[00:22:18] or if it was too many cooks in the kitchen, you know?

[00:22:19] It's just-

[00:22:20] Yeah, what I think that like,

[00:22:22] like I mentioned earlier,

[00:22:23] it's like, I feel like Hollywood,

[00:22:25] it's just such a,

[00:22:27] I think that it's an industry where like

[00:22:29] a lot of things happen,

[00:22:32] like, you know, you might get rejected from a role

[00:22:34] or not get a writing job

[00:22:35] or you act in something and you're cut or whatever.

[00:22:37] And like, nine times out of 10,

[00:22:40] probably more than that,

[00:22:40] probably like 99 times out of 100,

[00:22:42] that has nothing to do with your performance

[00:22:44] or how you did.

[00:22:45] It's just like,

[00:22:47] the movie was like two hours and 10 minutes long

[00:22:50] and like they needed it to get under two hours

[00:22:52] so like they had to cut something,

[00:22:53] you know, and like you had like a funny side scene

[00:22:57] with the main character

[00:22:57] but you didn't like drive the main story forward.

[00:22:59] So it's like, I don't know,

[00:23:01] we just got to lose something,

[00:23:02] you know, like something.

[00:23:03] And that's not like as an actor,

[00:23:05] it's like that's not,

[00:23:07] like that's not a thing that you should like take

[00:23:09] as an ego hit.

[00:23:10] It's just like,

[00:23:11] yeah, you know, we're all,

[00:23:12] there's a thousand people working together

[00:23:14] to make this movie and just,

[00:23:15] you know, it should happen sometimes.

[00:23:19] It will.

[00:23:20] Yeah.

[00:23:21] So you have a wonderful voice.

[00:23:23] Every time I heard you on Who Would When,

[00:23:25] have you ever thought of doing a,

[00:23:29] just some voice acting in an audio drama

[00:23:31] or podcast or cartoon?

[00:23:34] You did like a few voiceovers,

[00:23:35] but it's been miniscule.

[00:23:37] Oh, thanks.

[00:23:38] Yeah, I appreciate that.

[00:23:39] Yeah, that's the sort of thing where like

[00:23:41] my voice has been like this since I was like 14.

[00:23:44] Like, like I, so like my voice has always been this,

[00:23:47] I don't know, deep or whatever.

[00:23:49] And I remember like a lot of people have said,

[00:23:52] I mean, like, you know,

[00:23:54] kind of going through the news path

[00:23:55] of trying to be a TV weather guy.

[00:23:56] It's like that sort of, you know,

[00:23:58] that or radio news,

[00:23:59] this kind of like leads into that.

[00:24:01] I've definitely thought I should get into voice acting,

[00:24:05] but I just like haven't.

[00:24:08] I haven't like actually sat down

[00:24:10] and like pursued those kinds of roles.

[00:24:11] But like, you know,

[00:24:12] I get asked to do stuff here and there.

[00:24:13] And like, I've kind of voiced

[00:24:15] a few things here and there.

[00:24:17] What would you like to voice a dream role?

[00:24:21] Okay.

[00:24:22] What is, what is I'm going to say Homer Simpson,

[00:24:24] because actor makes so much money.

[00:24:27] There you go.

[00:24:28] I can see you being a vampire hunter

[00:24:33] or possibly just a historical store manager

[00:24:36] in a mockumentary.

[00:24:38] We have the worst customers ever at this Home Depot.

[00:24:42] Okay, thanks.

[00:24:42] I will type it in the video for you.

[00:24:46] Yeah.

[00:24:46] Yeah.

[00:24:47] I mean, you know,

[00:24:47] it's one of those things that it's like,

[00:24:49] I'm primarily a writer.

[00:24:51] Like I'm a writer comedian,

[00:24:52] but I'm like primarily a writer,

[00:24:53] but I'm definitely like, oh, I should,

[00:24:54] I should do more voice acting or something.

[00:24:57] Totally.

[00:24:59] You know, I mentioned that.

[00:25:00] Thanks for listening to me on Who Would Win?

[00:25:02] Such a fun show to guest on.

[00:25:03] Absolutely.

[00:25:04] I was going to so ask you,

[00:25:06] how ever did you,

[00:25:07] there's a lot of UCB guys on there,

[00:25:09] but how did you meet them

[00:25:11] on the LA comedy scene?

[00:25:13] Okay.

[00:25:13] So I actually, Robert Chan,

[00:25:16] the producer of that show and I came up.

[00:25:18] Love him.

[00:25:19] Yeah.

[00:25:19] He's, he's the nicest guy.

[00:25:21] We, we came up around the same time

[00:25:24] in sort of the LA comedy scene.

[00:25:25] We just, you know,

[00:25:26] have been friends for the past,

[00:25:27] you know, 10, 11, 12, 13 years or whatever.

[00:25:30] And he produces the show and he just like knows

[00:25:32] that I guest on a lot of podcasts.

[00:25:33] So he hit me up and said like,

[00:25:34] oh, do you want to guest on it?

[00:25:35] And I, you know,

[00:25:36] met Ray and James through just like

[00:25:39] being on the show and they're,

[00:25:40] you know, like, look,

[00:25:41] I know they've got tough personas,

[00:25:42] but they're very,

[00:25:43] they're very nice people

[00:25:44] when they're not arguing about which hero would win the fight.

[00:25:46] It's an act guys, obviously.

[00:25:49] They're all going to disagree on it,

[00:25:50] but they know at the end of the day,

[00:25:51] it's just a game and then gambling.

[00:25:54] That's weird.

[00:25:55] It's weirdly such a high pressure show to guest on

[00:25:58] because like I feel like they're so intense.

[00:26:01] So because of that, I have to be really intense.

[00:26:04] Oh, when I was interviewing Gapshy,

[00:26:06] I just about shat my pants.

[00:26:07] I was just like, I got to be on his level.

[00:26:10] I got to make James happy.

[00:26:11] I don't know why I don't even know James.

[00:26:13] Well, and like they turn it on where it's like

[00:26:15] as a judge on that show,

[00:26:17] like you know,

[00:26:18] you ultimately have to choose a winner or a loser.

[00:26:20] In infectious energy.

[00:26:21] And like the last time I was on it,

[00:26:23] that was my third time guesting.

[00:26:25] And the first two, I think I went with James as the winner.

[00:26:29] And like so Ray kind of like tried to cut me down.

[00:26:32] And I was like, and I argued back

[00:26:33] as to why I made the choices that I made.

[00:26:35] And like James was like pretty nice the entire time.

[00:26:38] And this time I chose Ray as the winner

[00:26:40] and James cut me down like 15 times harder than Ray ever did.

[00:26:43] I'm just like, I'm sorry.

[00:26:45] I thought you were the nice one.

[00:26:47] But they're nice guys.

[00:26:48] They're just passionate about the show.

[00:26:50] They just got to brag on it

[00:26:51] because they're like, what I do.

[00:26:54] It's like when you see people at a party

[00:26:57] and they're saying, I got to go.

[00:26:58] I'm like, whoa, did I say something?

[00:27:00] Yeah.

[00:27:02] Oh, and it's just so funny how it goes in waves and forms.

[00:27:10] Yeah.

[00:27:11] But yeah, that's such a fun show to guest on.

[00:27:13] And I like I'm happy to be, you know, in the family.

[00:27:16] And I think I won like best rookie judge

[00:27:19] or something like that last year,

[00:27:20] which is like cool.

[00:27:22] Yeah, I think I'm the best.

[00:27:23] I think I won the best new judge.

[00:27:25] They need to do a mock award show then each year.

[00:27:27] Yeah, I know.

[00:27:28] Where's my trophy?

[00:27:29] That's what I'm asking.

[00:27:31] Ding, ding, ding.

[00:27:31] And then Crystal Storm comes out or presents it.

[00:27:36] Robert inserts fake crowd noises or something.

[00:27:40] Right, right.

[00:27:41] Oh yeah, it's a fun collective

[00:27:43] and the fans are even more just wild

[00:27:46] because some of them are on like the sister shows too.

[00:27:48] It's a very fun collective.

[00:27:52] Yeah, and like and I it's really cool to see

[00:27:55] how like passionate the fan base is too.

[00:27:57] It's not even about the versus matches at the time.

[00:27:59] Half the times it's just about wacky things

[00:28:01] like I wonder what would happen

[00:28:02] if James or Ray rep this character.

[00:28:05] Yeah, totally, totally.

[00:28:09] All together, just are you going to make

[00:28:14] any other podcast appearances possibly in the future?

[00:28:17] Oh yeah, for sure, for sure.

[00:28:18] Yeah, I've got a digital series

[00:28:21] that was distributed by Comedy Central earlier this year

[00:28:24] called Gone Native that like I was right about to start

[00:28:28] like going through and touring podcasts

[00:28:31] and stuff like that.

[00:28:33] Like around May,

[00:28:37] that's like when we like finished our website

[00:28:38] gonenative.tv but that was like

[00:28:40] right when the writer's strike happened

[00:28:42] and I felt like I probably

[00:28:46] I would feel really weird if I even though the show

[00:28:49] was not WGA so like the show is not struck work.

[00:28:52] I was like, oh I'd feel really weird

[00:28:54] while my friends are hitting the picket lines

[00:28:57] when I'm you know being on podcasts

[00:28:59] and being like and you should support this thing

[00:29:01] by a company that is being picked at it, you know?

[00:29:04] But so I'm definitely going to like kind of go through

[00:29:07] and you know probably do a big podcast tour

[00:29:11] and start promoting that in the near future

[00:29:13] and I'm really excited to do that.

[00:29:14] I did see that in the art gave it some attention

[00:29:16] so that was good.

[00:29:17] Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:29:18] Yeah, I feel really lucky.

[00:29:21] It's like I think I sort of like a lot of people found it

[00:29:25] and wrote stories about it and like interviewed me about it

[00:29:27] but I feel like I have a lot of friends

[00:29:29] in the podcasting space

[00:29:31] and like really was like ready to start

[00:29:33] gusting on friends podcasts to talking about it

[00:29:35] but it was like oh I should probably wait until after

[00:29:36] the WGA strike to talk.

[00:29:39] Do it in waves.

[00:29:40] Yeah, totally, totally, totally.

[00:29:42] So yeah, I don't know.

[00:29:43] I'm always on podcasts.

[00:29:44] The videos are on Vimeo as well.

[00:29:47] I saw some of the ones on there

[00:29:48] and it's just again it's just a feel good kind of animation

[00:29:53] too it just no one's ever put down

[00:29:56] and why do you think you're just so good at just

[00:29:59] kind of an inclusive kind of chat?

[00:30:03] Honestly nobody's ever asked me that.

[00:30:06] I think I'm like I think I try to not be a jerk to people.

[00:30:14] I don't know it's like yeah that's such a good question

[00:30:16] about like because all those shorts like they're gone native

[00:30:20] it's a series of digital shorts

[00:30:21] about just like weird microaggressions

[00:30:23] that native folks deal with

[00:30:24] and like I try to not be finger pointy

[00:30:27] with that kind of stuff.

[00:30:28] I try to kind of treat it like

[00:30:30] we both agree this was this is bad right?

[00:30:33] You know that way people can feel like they're kind of in

[00:30:36] on the joke instead of being like lectured at.

[00:30:39] You know you kind of you get more bees with honey

[00:30:41] that kind of thing and yeah so yeah it's just

[00:30:47] I think it's just it's just like a tone

[00:30:50] that I find really funny

[00:30:52] that I kind of realized as I was doing it

[00:30:54] also this is useful to teach people things you know.

[00:30:58] As a comedy writer it's like I write stuff

[00:30:59] to crack myself up and then you realize

[00:31:01] oh wait a second I could use this for good.

[00:31:05] Don't have to be snobby

[00:31:06] and it doesn't always have to be a college humor

[00:31:08] Adam ruins everything format either

[00:31:10] it can be whatever's in the moment you know.

[00:31:13] Yeah for sure for sure

[00:31:15] if you're still with me

[00:31:16] I'm gonna hit you with this other little jib jab.

[00:31:19] Yeah when I think it's like that's the sort of thing

[00:31:22] where I was talking about earlier about like you

[00:31:25] just like the more that you do comedy

[00:31:28] and like the more that you do it

[00:31:28] the more that you figure out what your comedic voice is

[00:31:31] and it's like it's like what do you like to tell jokes about

[00:31:34] and also just like what is the tone at which you tell jokes

[00:31:38] and it's like that's just by doing it you know

[00:31:40] and yeah just like whatever whatever that is

[00:31:43] of just like be doing stuff that's kind of like funny

[00:31:46] but informative in a way that's like not threatening

[00:31:49] or whatever it's like I don't know it's a fun

[00:31:52] that's a pocket I like to exist in I guess.

[00:31:54] Isn't it wild though I don't know if you ever

[00:31:56] listen to any health or fitness trip tips and tricks

[00:31:59] it seems wild how the main key thing for

[00:32:03] when we encounter people who are mean or bullying

[00:32:08] or just snobby but not even funny anymore is often insecurity

[00:32:13] it's like people get feel threatened by someone else

[00:32:17] and it's like well you shouldn't feel mad

[00:32:20] at someone who knows something you don't

[00:32:21] or as good at something you're awful at you know.

[00:32:26] Yeah when I think that for me it's like

[00:32:30] like I've been doing like live comedy stuff

[00:32:32] since I was in like high school and.

[00:32:34] So you're already kind of fearless in a way.

[00:32:36] Yeah well it's more just like oh it's like anything

[00:32:39] that anybody could tell me I've definitely had said

[00:32:42] to me via a YouTube comment at some point in my life

[00:32:45] so it's like you know.

[00:32:47] Bring it.

[00:32:48] Yeah it's just I think it's just like

[00:32:50] I think it's just like learning the difference between like

[00:32:56] if like somebody is making a constructive comment

[00:32:59] or if they're just being a troll because it's like you know

[00:33:02] it's not that you shouldn't listen to every bit of feedback

[00:33:04] that you get about you know your comedy

[00:33:06] or your work you're writing or whatever

[00:33:08] it's like if I write a script I send it to my manager

[00:33:10] and friends my literary manager and friends

[00:33:12] to like give me notes on it and like

[00:33:14] I don't expect them to come back and say like

[00:33:16] this is perfect you know.

[00:33:19] But it's like I'm not going to look at like random

[00:33:22] 12 year old commenting on a YouTube video

[00:33:24] saying that my voice sounds dumb or whatever

[00:33:27] because it's like shut up your 12 you know.

[00:33:29] Right you guys are mean anyway so what does it matter?

[00:33:33] Yeah it's just like you can't please any everybody

[00:33:36] so it's important to like I don't know just like

[00:33:41] you don't have to take you don't have to like

[00:33:42] take every bit of criticism that you get

[00:33:45] and also just like.

[00:33:46] On the serious ones from you should be able to tell

[00:33:49] all the difference between someone who's.

[00:33:53] Yeah.

[00:33:53] Talking shit behind the scenes versus someone who

[00:33:56] actually said something threatening to you at a party

[00:33:58] you know it's like okay I'm taking that seriously

[00:34:01] because that was Fred versus.

[00:34:02] Yeah that was like.

[00:34:04] Nine year old and I don't know in Norwegian

[00:34:08] who just wanted to comment on a random video

[00:34:11] he didn't like.

[00:34:12] Yeah well and I think that it's like

[00:34:14] I don't know some people are just haters

[00:34:16] so it's like you kind of can't you can't like

[00:34:18] you can't please everybody like so it's like

[00:34:21] ultimately like if you're proud of the stuff that

[00:34:24] you're doing and like people who you respect

[00:34:27] think that what you're doing is good work

[00:34:29] then you know you're doing fine

[00:34:31] that doesn't mean that like I mean I don't know

[00:34:33] it's like if you think about something like

[00:34:36] what is the most universally liked thing in the world

[00:34:39] I don't know.

[00:34:39] Yeah.

[00:34:40] Like Star Wars.

[00:34:41] Like any movie that's 100% on Rotten Tomatoes

[00:34:44] is going to have at least 50% of people

[00:34:46] who legit do not understand that.

[00:34:48] Yeah it's like there's nothing that exists in the world

[00:34:51] but every person in the world is going to be like

[00:34:54] love it you know like so are you going to

[00:34:58] so you know if you make something and like

[00:35:00] you know 50% of the YouTube commenters

[00:35:02] or whatever or Twitter commenters

[00:35:04] or people on social media.

[00:35:05] They've said that on like five other gaming videos.

[00:35:08] Yeah it's like if they say I hate this

[00:35:10] this is bad but then half of them are like

[00:35:13] I love this this is great it's like

[00:35:15] are you going to listen to the people who hate it

[00:35:16] if you saw people like it you know.

[00:35:18] It's already one year out the other.

[00:35:20] I had one guy who was a prick on Facebook

[00:35:22] and then went so far as to copy that comment

[00:35:25] on both Apple and another podcast forming site

[00:35:29] and I was just like okay so what

[00:35:32] I doubt anyone saw any of those comments

[00:35:34] and he felt nothing in his power to be helpful.

[00:35:42] That's also like you hear that

[00:35:45] and you're like dude get a hobby.

[00:35:47] You have too much free time.

[00:35:49] Yeah why is that guy like

[00:35:51] feel so passionate about a podcast

[00:35:53] that he's going to do a negative comment

[00:35:55] the same negative comment on Spotify and Apple

[00:35:58] and it's just like at a certain point

[00:35:59] like I don't know like get a just like get a job.

[00:36:04] Those guys were not going to be part

[00:36:06] of your demographic anyway really.

[00:36:08] Yeah 100%.

[00:36:09] Now if you're getting some behind the scenes

[00:36:11] where you can improve you know

[00:36:12] I'm going to take it seriously

[00:36:13] is like okay I couldn't hear you last one.

[00:36:16] Okay I'm going to record on this audio format

[00:36:18] and see if the audio increases

[00:36:21] the wave levels on that one versus this

[00:36:23] where you couldn't hear us.

[00:36:25] Yeah it's like that kind of thing

[00:36:27] that's like real criticism

[00:36:28] that's like real like good criticism.

[00:36:30] They're serious as opposed to vague.

[00:36:32] I didn't know what you're talking about

[00:36:34] like I have an aunt who wants to listen to my podcast

[00:36:36] and I'm like I've said politely a few times

[00:36:38] ratings or not that you don't follow video games

[00:36:41] or politics so I don't think you would be the audience for this.

[00:36:44] Yeah for sure yeah that's the thing too is like everything.

[00:36:46] Where can I find you?

[00:36:50] Like everything that you make doesn't have to be for everybody

[00:36:53] it could just be it's like you know

[00:36:58] it's like like Spear Rangers is a show for like

[00:37:02] you know like a younger kids so it's like

[00:37:06] and it's like a show that I'm really proud of

[00:37:07] and I think that we did a really good job.

[00:37:08] A lot of adults are cartoon fans too

[00:37:10] they would gladly watch that with their kid.

[00:37:13] But it's like but if somebody were to comment on Spear Rangers

[00:37:16] you know like a 40 year old dude or whatever

[00:37:18] to be like this or like or it's just like

[00:37:22] this feels like it's kids stuff and it's like yeah it's for kids like you know

[00:37:27] it's just like it's sort of yeah nothing

[00:37:31] you are not the target audience for every single thing.

[00:37:34] Oh yeah everybody you know.

[00:37:35] There are people trying to just do other trends

[00:37:39] and you can kind of tell like what kind of radical audience

[00:37:43] without naming a particular one that they're a part of

[00:37:45] and I mean it's just like if there is nothing

[00:37:51] what do you hope to accomplish from posting this?

[00:37:54] I used to take that so seriously

[00:37:56] and then it became I'm one of many assholes with an opinion

[00:37:59] so there's nothing I'm gonna I'm not going to change the world

[00:38:03] in the next 50 seconds.

[00:38:04] I don't even feel passionately about what I'm typing up so.

[00:38:06] Oh yeah for sure.

[00:38:08] Stop right here unless I actually really think

[00:38:12] I want to put some time into this right now.

[00:38:15] Yeah well yeah and just I don't know some people are just haters

[00:38:17] and it's like yeah you know.

[00:38:21] Yeah and isn't it wild too how half the time

[00:38:25] reviewers will claim oh someone is upping you know

[00:38:29] it's an inside job upping all the ratings is like

[00:38:31] or maybe that's just where it landed.

[00:38:33] Yeah well I think that that's the thing is like

[00:38:37] it's possible that other people like the thing that you don't like

[00:38:41] like you know it's like it's like your opinion

[00:38:44] is not everybody's opinion.

[00:38:47] And the final user rating is not the final remark either.

[00:38:53] Yeah for sure.

[00:38:56] Well this has been a very engaging and detailed summary of

[00:39:03] just how to make it in any kind of atmosphere.

[00:39:07] I feel like most of it was just us trash talking bad YouTube commenters.

[00:39:11] There's that too but I mean part of the whole

[00:39:14] getting a thick skin and no 100%

[00:39:17] but I really hope for when doing these chats.

[00:39:20] Anything else you want to tease or?

[00:39:24] No you know I think we pretty much got everything I would say.

[00:39:26] Yeah definitely check out my Comedy Central Digital series.

[00:39:29] Definitely check out my Comedy Central Digital series at gonnative.tv

[00:39:33] and then you can follow me on social media

[00:39:37] at Joey Tainment on Twitter

[00:39:40] Blue Sky and TikTok

[00:39:41] and then at Joey Clift with five or six eyes on Instagram and threads.

[00:39:45] There are so many social media sites and I keep on forgetting which is which.

[00:39:55] And half the time we don't even know.

[00:39:57] Yeah yeah.

[00:39:58] It won't be here tomorrow there'll be something else that takes its place.

[00:40:01] I feel like there were like two days where I was like and you could follow me on Mastodon

[00:40:05] at and I'm like I'm logging out Mastodon in four months you know.

[00:40:12] Oh and I'm just glad you're staying positive because I see so many others who just kind of

[00:40:18] want to let the world eat them up and we can't have that man.

[00:40:23] Yeah I think that that's the thing too is like it's important to stay positive.

[00:40:27] Especially like speaking you know as writing and creatives and stuff like that it's like

[00:40:33] you know like you're you might not necessarily see fruits from your labor tomorrow but it's like

[00:40:39] if you just like work hard and are nice and like just keep pushing and creating work that

[00:40:43] you're proud of and then putting it out into the world and like you know on stage at

[00:40:48] comedy shows or making films or making funny TikToks or whatever like you'll eventually be

[00:40:52] rewarded for it. You just got to kind of keep grinding and it takes a while but you know

[00:40:56] it pays off eventually.

[00:40:58] Hopefully man but more importantly as long as you don't feel compromised

[00:41:05] yeah mentally or physically I just battled insomnia and I recommend anyone you know just

[00:41:12] instead of just getting all caught up in and the different ways just don't treat it as a

[00:41:19] battle that's what everyone else who was doing with it also told me and it's literally that

[00:41:24] find a way to even it out. It's easier said than done and it's going to take a few months but

[00:41:29] worth it. Yeah for sure it's all a process.

[00:41:35] Yeah and you do a little something different each year you know it's kind of wild how we

[00:41:42] even if we know our life is going to change we still it's easy for us to get spoiled and

[00:41:47] want to just do the same thing each time every day and it's like well that's not going

[00:41:52] to happen. You won't be at the same workplace you won't even be living in the same area.

[00:41:57] Yeah for sure this has been a godsend and keep turning those wheels.

[00:42:01] Awesome yeah thanks again for having me this is super fun. Absolutely.

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