Best Moments of the Battlestar Galactica Shows (with all-star cast!)

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[00:03:27] Nick from Keeping Up with the Cardassians.

[00:03:31] Hey all.

[00:03:33] He's just covered the show in Deep Space Nine.

[00:03:35] He's getting into some other sci-fi power epics.

[00:03:37] Mark from Vigil-ly Stunning Movie Podcast.

[00:03:41] We've had you on before

[00:03:43] and you left an amazing voicemail

[00:03:45] for the Space Above and Beyond series.

[00:03:47] The Predator Minute aficionados themselves.

[00:03:51] As well as from the Gonzo Minute.

[00:03:53] Cliff and Aaron, welcome.

[00:03:55] Howdy. Great to be back.

[00:03:57] You so were not in the room.

[00:03:59] No, we're not.

[00:04:01] We didn't know whether to go more Gonzo or Predator Minute.

[00:04:05] For those who don't know, he covers the words.

[00:04:09] He's got lots of guns in there.

[00:04:11] Hunter S. Thompson

[00:04:13] and Feren Lothing and Las Vegas type stuff.

[00:04:15] For those who want to just

[00:04:17] go into obscure oddities

[00:04:19] that have some cool social commentary

[00:04:21] they are the one to listen to.

[00:04:23] Glad to have Jace back from Twitter.

[00:04:25] And Bibi and Jason are here

[00:04:27] of Spacing Out Network.

[00:04:29] Hey.

[00:04:31] Hi there.

[00:04:33] Hello, thanks for having us.

[00:04:35] They have covered everything from Superstore

[00:04:37] to some other just outrageous stuff.

[00:04:39] And Paul Derby,

[00:04:41] the number one Doctor Who fanatic.

[00:04:43] Thanks for having me.

[00:04:45] And Josh Hanson,

[00:04:47] comic book book club.

[00:04:49] First of all, this is lovely having you guys on here.

[00:04:53] So you can weigh in on how you ranked

[00:04:57] your discussion of it as well as just

[00:04:59] your favorite moments.

[00:05:01] And we do these very loosely.

[00:05:03] Just like many round tables, we've done

[00:05:05] villain specials before just to talk

[00:05:07] as a testament to a good writing on a program

[00:05:09] or a movie franchise.

[00:05:11] Often we don't do the villains if there are no notable ones.

[00:05:13] So it's pretty easy.

[00:05:15] But yeah, with moments, favorite moments,

[00:05:17] favorite highlights. And we'll circle around.

[00:05:19] We'll keep it loose. Nick, long time coming.

[00:05:21] You know, yes, you've always kind of done

[00:05:23] just very clever memes and everything.

[00:05:25] But what do you think just gives you the courage

[00:05:27] to just like say, you know,

[00:05:29] I'm ready to dissect this.

[00:05:31] I love every inch of this,

[00:05:33] how there's all these war criminals,

[00:05:35] fear mongers and other guys

[00:05:37] all on a ship that's out of control.

[00:05:39] You know, one thing I love about

[00:05:41] Battlestar Galactica

[00:05:43] is how we're able to

[00:05:45] intertwine politics,

[00:05:47] like political intrigue.

[00:05:49] It combines religious fanaticism.

[00:05:51] It just intermingles them so well together

[00:05:53] and how they can pervert one another.

[00:05:55] And I've always loved that.

[00:05:57] I have a fascination for that.

[00:05:59] I work in the church, so it's a really fascinating

[00:06:01] thing to explore.

[00:06:03] How politics could ruin it.

[00:06:05] So like that's what gave you an extra edge

[00:06:07] because you're like,

[00:06:09] I would never have used my

[00:06:11] brain to do that.

[00:06:13] Like I would never have used my privilege

[00:06:15] of this. But hey, Baltar, he's doing a good job.

[00:06:19] Exactly. Exactly.

[00:06:21] So I mean like that drew me to the show.

[00:06:23] Like I had to walk, you know,

[00:06:25] it had me hooked right from there,

[00:06:27] especially because a lot of science fiction.

[00:06:29] I don't think a lot of science fiction

[00:06:31] does a good job portraying

[00:06:33] religion.

[00:06:35] Do any producer notes? They'll say

[00:06:37] have a science experiment and now you got to wrap it up

[00:06:39] with a kung fu fight and matrix type

[00:06:41] explosion. You know, well that but also

[00:06:43] like the

[00:06:45] nothing against the matrix. That is not a diss,

[00:06:47] but there's nothing against talking about

[00:06:49] where they're just

[00:06:51] music that doesn't have anything

[00:06:53] to do with it. Right.

[00:06:55] It's just, you know, it's

[00:06:57] I appreciate it because

[00:06:59] it looks at religion not as a joke.

[00:07:01] Like certainly there are characters in there

[00:07:03] where they're using it for a purpose.

[00:07:05] It explores the greater

[00:07:07] parts of it. Same thing. And that's the same reason why

[00:07:09] it's so valuable about Deep Space Nine as well.

[00:07:11] It looks at religion, it looks at the religious fanatics.

[00:07:13] All the stuff that was invisible to us, we were just like

[00:07:15] that character's on. I want to follow them. And now that

[00:07:17] we can binge, we're like, oh,

[00:07:19] there is an art by episode five.

[00:07:21] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:07:23] So that's what drew me into it.

[00:07:25] Yeah, for sure.

[00:07:27] Bibi and Jason, you know,

[00:07:29] again, you're covering

[00:07:31] all kinds of shows, and

[00:07:33] you've gone

[00:07:35] on record just stating

[00:07:37] the various survival techniques,

[00:07:39] the anxiety

[00:07:41] and just

[00:07:43] claustrophobia of

[00:07:45] this show. Do you really

[00:07:47] just kind of feel the fun kind of after

[00:07:49] effect? There's a segment of this show that's

[00:07:51] always in your mind. It's like, man, how would I

[00:07:53] react in that situation? Or man, that's just

[00:07:55] perfect TV.

[00:07:57] Well,

[00:07:59] I think part of the show

[00:08:01] that I like to take around with

[00:08:03] me is like the

[00:08:05] strong female lead.

[00:08:07] Absolutely. They really

[00:08:09] wrote that in a way that

[00:08:11] felt genuine to like

[00:08:15] the way that I think a lot of ladies

[00:08:17] would have to deal with being stuck

[00:08:19] in a tin can with a bunch of military

[00:08:21] dudes.

[00:08:23] That's true, and you did a good job talking about

[00:08:25] the different trivia and how some actors

[00:08:27] couldn't warm up to that right away. You're like,

[00:08:29] oh, that's really

[00:08:31] challenging me. I

[00:08:33] need a moment.

[00:08:35] I only have an hour, so I'm not sure

[00:08:37] I'm going to prepare for this role.

[00:08:39] And Jason, you know, you've done a documentary

[00:08:41] and you can feel free to promote that at the end.

[00:08:43] But I mean, how do you

[00:08:45] dig the documentary kind of filming style

[00:08:47] of this newer show?

[00:08:49] I mean,

[00:08:51] I really like it. It really grounds

[00:08:53] the show and makes it feel like these are

[00:08:55] real people in a real situation.

[00:08:57] They went to digital and you're like, whoa!

[00:08:59] Yeah, well,

[00:09:01] in those first couple of seasons, they really

[00:09:03] stick to that style. And then

[00:09:05] when you get more into

[00:09:07] the mythological aspects of it in

[00:09:09] the later seasons, they kind of diverge

[00:09:11] a little more and there's some more

[00:09:13] surreal filmmaking styles.

[00:09:15] How do you over saturate this to

[00:09:17] show the person's having this

[00:09:19] daydream and everything? Yeah, there's like dream

[00:09:21] sequences and stuff that come in and

[00:09:23] they take their time getting to that.

[00:09:25] Yeah, I like how they break that

[00:09:27] wall of being

[00:09:29] like, for example, with Baltar, they

[00:09:31] really explore this open

[00:09:33] airy past that they've

[00:09:35] had with his

[00:09:37] weird segments

[00:09:39] with number six,

[00:09:41] I think. Yeah.

[00:09:43] And then how

[00:09:45] when she's actually physical at that

[00:09:47] point and no longer in his

[00:09:49] head. She's so real too!

[00:09:51] I love the way that he acts it out.

[00:09:53] It's

[00:09:55] the way that he

[00:09:57] is so immersed

[00:09:59] in his love for

[00:10:01] this what we learn to be

[00:10:03] an angelic kind of figure.

[00:10:05] Right?

[00:10:07] It's very interesting that

[00:10:09] like, you know, this guy would be like

[00:10:11] honking boobs

[00:10:13] in the middle of a hallway.

[00:10:15] Or something.

[00:10:17] No one's stopping him. He's like,

[00:10:19] he's just having another daydream.

[00:10:21] He's like, second trick.

[00:10:23] They get so much comedy out of that because at any moment

[00:10:25] like the camera can just cut to a shot that

[00:10:27] number six is not in it. And then

[00:10:29] Baltar's just there, like choking himself or

[00:10:31] something. Yeah.

[00:10:33] I did wonder what

[00:10:35] everyone's reaction must have been when he tries to commit

[00:10:37] suicide and then realizes, nope, that's not going

[00:10:39] to work.

[00:10:43] So Gil, you know, you're familiar with both eras

[00:10:45] of this. It's just interesting how

[00:10:47] there's even been a comic book crossover where

[00:10:49] both sagas collide

[00:10:51] and have to duke it out.

[00:10:53] Why do you think Eider version just has a big

[00:10:55] overall appeal?

[00:10:57] Well, I mean, the

[00:10:59] original version is 79.

[00:11:01] It came on the

[00:11:03] air because of Star Wars basically.

[00:11:07] And

[00:11:09] I wouldn't talk too much about the

[00:11:11] success of it because, I mean, they

[00:11:13] totally revamped it the second year. It was

[00:11:15] off. Yes.

[00:11:17] So there you go. Spoiler. The best

[00:11:19] moment of the second season

[00:11:21] of the original Bows Stars when it ends.

[00:11:25] They did get to redo it though in the

[00:11:27] comics where they said, here's

[00:11:29] what we would have gone instead of having a dumb

[00:11:31] space cop show with half the budget.

[00:11:35] But yes, they definitely

[00:11:37] took off very well with the new

[00:11:39] series that started in the 21st

[00:11:41] century.

[00:11:43] And it's kind

[00:11:45] of interesting because they kind of took an analog approach

[00:11:47] to it, you know, like with their communications

[00:11:49] on the ship and all that stuff. It was kind of

[00:11:51] interesting to watch.

[00:11:53] And it was no longer just people playing

[00:11:55] around in their backyard. It was like, yep,

[00:11:57] taking JCPenney's stuff and

[00:11:59] putting some extra mold on it.

[00:12:03] But yeah,

[00:12:05] Mark, how about yourself?

[00:12:07] Yeah, I grew up. I watched

[00:12:09] the original series. I watched the second

[00:12:11] season of that. And

[00:12:13] I might be in the minority, but I waited.

[00:12:15] I couldn't bring myself to watch

[00:12:17] the new one when it when they dropped that

[00:12:19] mini series. I was like, oh, that's fine.

[00:12:21] I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it. I probably put

[00:12:23] it off for like three years.

[00:12:25] And then and I watched it and I was like, OK,

[00:12:27] now I have to go back and catch up because now this

[00:12:29] series is running.

[00:12:31] I real quick to

[00:12:33] jump on Nick. You know, he talked about the religious

[00:12:35] part of it. You know, what's what's great about the way

[00:12:37] they handled religion is that religion

[00:12:41] season two kind of kind of lost

[00:12:43] a lot of its audience because that's when religion

[00:12:45] really came to the forefront in a wacky way.

[00:12:47] Religion was there in season one,

[00:12:49] but they

[00:12:51] evolved it in season two or in season

[00:12:53] two. And and part of that,

[00:12:55] you know, you can chalk up to, well, maybe

[00:12:57] they wanted to explore those themes a little more.

[00:12:59] But part of it is, is

[00:13:01] it's a survival situation and

[00:13:03] find any society that's in a wartime

[00:13:05] situation for a prolonged period

[00:13:07] of time. And the predominant religion is going

[00:13:09] to start to gain more and more prominence

[00:13:11] in everything

[00:13:13] much like DS 9 didn't explain.

[00:13:15] And thankfully, they thankfully

[00:13:17] they they course corrected and

[00:13:19] kind of brought the show. But their religion

[00:13:21] was still there. And obviously it plays through to the

[00:13:23] end. But but they kind of got that under

[00:13:25] control. Season two, it went

[00:13:27] way, way too far.

[00:13:29] And I think that drove some people away.

[00:13:31] Yeah, it's

[00:13:33] I think it

[00:13:35] Gil mentioned the

[00:13:37] the analog world

[00:13:39] we get when this show kicks off.

[00:13:41] It's like, yeah, Battlestar, the Galactica

[00:13:43] is it is analog. I mean, that was

[00:13:45] I love that selling point at the beginning.

[00:13:47] The only not it's so

[00:13:49] old they weren't even going to bother to upgrade

[00:13:51] it because they were going to decommission

[00:13:53] it. And then it turns out that

[00:13:55] your entire civilization is taken out by a

[00:13:57] cyber attack. Yeah, it's

[00:13:59] just beautiful. I mean, I'm

[00:14:01] an Air Force vet. So the fact that all

[00:14:03] of the they had to go back to all the old

[00:14:05] vipers that were not network enabled.

[00:14:07] I'm a fan of the A10 and they've been trying

[00:14:09] to get rid of the A10 for 40 years.

[00:14:11] Right. The B-52

[00:14:13] is, I think, pushing 70

[00:14:15] and they just can't

[00:14:17] no relation to the great band. But right.

[00:14:19] Yeah. Yeah. But I mean,

[00:14:21] they just can't get rid of these these legacy

[00:14:23] things because they have a

[00:14:25] function. And that's what I mean.

[00:14:27] As a vet, I love that aspect

[00:14:29] of the show because you get to see

[00:14:31] all of that military play and I can relate

[00:14:33] all of these little things to what I would see every

[00:14:35] day. Did it blow your mind when

[00:14:37] you saw how in the newer

[00:14:39] one they bring the older

[00:14:41] silo into those other silo

[00:14:43] to show them all apart?

[00:14:45] That opening secret bit of

[00:14:47] the diplomatic meet where

[00:14:49] they kept evolving the silo and then

[00:14:51] eventually you would see

[00:14:53] in season four, they would bring back.

[00:14:55] They brought a couple of them back. Yeah, I thought that

[00:14:57] was neat. It's a nice, you know, they knew

[00:14:59] they knew their audience. You

[00:15:01] mentioned the Firefly ships coming in. I have to

[00:15:03] you can't see it on this shelf right here

[00:15:05] is some of my Firefly stuff.

[00:15:07] They're with the Rosanante from the Expanse.

[00:15:09] We're geeking out here, guys. Sorry.

[00:15:11] I know. But no, I

[00:15:13] let's you know, the first two seasons of the show were so great.

[00:15:15] The look of them, you know, obviously came from Lonnie

[00:15:17] Perister. You know, from the work

[00:15:19] he did on Firefly that

[00:15:21] documentary late shot shaky

[00:15:23] cam for the exteriors to just the general

[00:15:25] look of the show and it was controlled as

[00:15:27] opposed to it's controlled

[00:15:29] like an almost random and you can't

[00:15:31] see what's going on. And it's like right. And these guys

[00:15:33] that was that was kind of the point. It was to make you

[00:15:35] an observer, right? Because you might

[00:15:37] you you'll see that something happened. But

[00:15:39] by the time you turn, you've missed it. You're seeing the aftermath.

[00:15:41] We know that's not that

[00:15:43] makes that makes you not a that makes you

[00:15:45] not an observer. It does make you a participant.

[00:15:47] Yeah, you are. You in the middle and

[00:15:49] I think that was part of the early visual appeal.

[00:15:51] You're the voyeur. So you're technically

[00:15:53] interactive. But yeah,

[00:15:55] we noticed on both shows

[00:15:57] how they don't

[00:15:59] really show close ups of the machine guns, whether

[00:16:01] it's the prop guns on the original or on the new one

[00:16:03] with machine guns. They just didn't want to

[00:16:05] date it. They didn't want you to focus in

[00:16:07] on it. There's like, hey, because it's not important.

[00:16:09] Right. It's not important.

[00:16:11] Some kind of Uzi that they're using

[00:16:13] in the future and go

[00:16:15] and you know, you mentioned

[00:16:17] the filming style and

[00:16:19] it's interesting because the plan is

[00:16:21] is a deeply hated part of

[00:16:23] BSG, right? And

[00:16:25] really, that's one of the

[00:16:27] story. Well,

[00:16:29] typically is not loved by the BSG

[00:16:31] community. Really, it doesn't really add

[00:16:33] much, if you will. But I think one of the reasons

[00:16:35] is it abandons that filming

[00:16:37] style. It goes to a more traditional cinematic

[00:16:39] film style in that because

[00:16:41] Olmos is directing it and

[00:16:43] he just went a different style.

[00:16:45] And I think that plays into it.

[00:16:47] It was the first episode I started off on this

[00:16:49] rewatch.

[00:16:51] Oh, the plan was? It makes better sense

[00:16:53] that way if you do it in that. Oh yeah.

[00:16:55] I'm trying to I'm trying to

[00:16:57] remember the plan was

[00:16:59] it was one where they were

[00:17:01] like stockwells mad scientist

[00:17:03] guy in the other parts of the show.

[00:17:05] Yeah, it was just Cavill

[00:17:07] behind scenes. More of Simon moving

[00:17:09] all the chess pieces. Yep.

[00:17:11] Yeah. I think

[00:17:13] Cavill is like a very unlike character

[00:17:15] in general, though.

[00:17:17] Right. And you talked about his creepiness and

[00:17:19] everything. No,

[00:17:21] he didn't sit well with me.

[00:17:23] No, it's not good.

[00:17:25] I kind of just love hating him. So I just.

[00:17:27] Yeah, yeah.

[00:17:29] I mean, but I love to hate other characters

[00:17:31] more like

[00:17:33] she's an intellectual.

[00:17:35] You know, like I can respect

[00:17:37] her. She is the secretary of

[00:17:39] education. Yeah.

[00:17:41] She's a schoolteacher.

[00:17:43] I mean, actually, they

[00:17:45] just called her that a lot. Teacher

[00:17:47] turned president. Gotta love it.

[00:17:49] So Josh,

[00:17:51] how did you hear me now?

[00:17:53] Are we good? Yes.

[00:17:55] Oh, yes.

[00:17:57] Hacked into the interface. Yes.

[00:17:59] Yeah. It took some tech support, but I got

[00:18:01] it.

[00:18:02] So I never saw I never saw

[00:18:04] the original and I was kind

[00:18:06] of late to the party on this too.

[00:18:08] All right. I think the pilot

[00:18:10] or the first miniseries or whatever you want to call

[00:18:12] it. Yeah, I think that is some of the best

[00:18:14] television ever.

[00:18:16] The way that they set up this entire

[00:18:18] world. You understand everything

[00:18:20] and it's it's high stakes

[00:18:22] and it's well done.

[00:18:24] I think it's fantastic. It's called

[00:18:26] Smart. First couple of seasons.

[00:18:27] Yeah, it really I mean, the first few

[00:18:29] seasons just like some of the

[00:18:31] things they wrestle with, like

[00:18:33] like the one where they have to

[00:18:35] destroy the Olympus

[00:18:37] Olympic or whatever it is.

[00:18:38] Yeah, like I really know.

[00:18:40] Like there's no heroes.

[00:18:42] Yes. It's this weird gray area

[00:18:44] they're operating in, like even when they're

[00:18:46] on the new planet, they're like

[00:18:48] suicide bombing the

[00:18:50] planet.

[00:18:51] Yeah, I mean, you know, like that's

[00:18:53] still having to that's interesting,

[00:18:55] especially considering what was going on

[00:18:57] like during in the real world

[00:18:59] at that time.

[00:19:00] Like that was kind of a ballsy play.

[00:19:02] You know, ballsy any other show

[00:19:04] and already you have Zarek, you know,

[00:19:06] I mean, that's what sci-fi supposed to do.

[00:19:08] Like, you know, it's supposed to good

[00:19:10] sci-fi.

[00:19:11] Yeah, well, yeah.

[00:19:12] But yeah, I mean, Zarek,

[00:19:14] you know, you got everyone's hit on it before.

[00:19:16] It was kind of another love letter is like,

[00:19:19] you were talking about shared universes,

[00:19:21] is Parks and Rec a shared universe because

[00:19:23] they took the scene from the end of season

[00:19:25] two and used it in like the end of season

[00:19:27] six.

[00:19:28] Anyone know where that from Battle

[00:19:30] Star? No.

[00:19:31] Yeah. The one where, you know, guys like

[00:19:33] puts his head down and he lifts it up and it's like

[00:19:35] one year later.

[00:19:36] Oh, my God.

[00:19:38] That's why I'm forward.

[00:19:40] Oh, my word.

[00:19:41] Yeah. And like the people who made it,

[00:19:43] that's what they took it from.

[00:19:44] Yeah. They said that's what they did.

[00:19:46] I remember watching him like, whoa, I know this.

[00:19:48] Why do I know this?

[00:19:49] What are they referencing?

[00:19:51] But to have again, the hero of the

[00:19:54] original Battle Star and here he is playing the

[00:19:56] deceptive vice president.

[00:19:58] Yeah.

[00:19:59] The original Apollo.

[00:20:01] And I didn't watch the original.

[00:20:03] No, no, it's fine.

[00:20:04] But a relic.

[00:20:06] If you can see any find any clips of

[00:20:08] the fan film he made of the original,

[00:20:10] you'll see he kind of had a filmmaking

[00:20:12] knack. But I think

[00:20:14] he even authored one of the newer comic books, believe it or not.

[00:20:17] But yeah, I mean,

[00:20:20] that the minute you have James Rebar as your assistant,

[00:20:22] you knew you're bad.

[00:20:23] But

[00:20:24] it was interesting to me how

[00:20:27] he just is just once you think he's going to

[00:20:30] abandon that and then he comes back to it a few

[00:20:33] seasons from now.

[00:20:34] Like, of course.

[00:20:35] And here we are in mutiny time.

[00:20:37] And he has no shame.

[00:20:38] He's going to.

[00:20:39] And when he just starts shooting a bunch of his

[00:20:42] age, it's like good grief.

[00:20:44] Yeah, I have not thought those out.

[00:20:47] Have you? I mean, what are you going to do?

[00:20:49] You know, disagreement.

[00:20:51] Man, my favorite

[00:20:53] moments in the show were during the coup d'etat

[00:20:57] when

[00:20:58] Adama and

[00:21:00] Colonel Ty band together and they have their guns

[00:21:04] out and they're like knocking out guys.

[00:21:07] Oh, man.

[00:21:08] It's a die hard moment.

[00:21:09] Their ship and back.

[00:21:11] It was so good.

[00:21:12] That was one of my favorite.

[00:21:14] Now Adama has a gun.

[00:21:16] He and Ty has to.

[00:21:18] Yes, I has to.

[00:21:20] So the starbuck and Liadon.

[00:21:23] So, Aaron, how do you approach the show?

[00:21:26] We know you're a big fan.

[00:21:27] You like all the cyberpunk and future adventures

[00:21:31] and apocalyptic stuff.

[00:21:32] But where does this resonate with you in terms of all the different

[00:21:35] franchises that.

[00:21:36] Oh, man.

[00:21:37] Well, I guess, you know,

[00:21:38] you can sum it up with how I saw the show or first saw it.

[00:21:42] Like I walked in on it at a friend's house and it was just the end.

[00:21:45] And I walk in on the scene where they're talking to Leo Ben

[00:21:49] and the pilot.

[00:21:51] So is this the original?

[00:21:53] This is a new one.

[00:21:54] I watched the original and it was a fun little space opera.

[00:21:57] I was a kid, but when I saw this and I wasn't expecting much,

[00:22:00] but then I watched the scene where they actually leave that space

[00:22:04] station and they come out of the

[00:22:06] nebula or whatever and they have their defensive system.

[00:22:10] It's all like analog, just a bunch of, you know,

[00:22:13] explosives and stuff that they're saying they have all their

[00:22:15] munitions.

[00:22:16] It's like it's conventional warfare and they're just setting up a

[00:22:19] screen of matter just or, you know,

[00:22:22] frag or fragments just to like block any missiles coming in or

[00:22:25] whatever.

[00:22:26] Yeah.

[00:22:27] First base battle.

[00:22:28] And then they get away.

[00:22:29] And it was so gritty and real.

[00:22:31] And then I watched immediately after that,

[00:22:33] I watched the first episode after the pilot, which was 33.

[00:22:38] Yeah.

[00:22:39] Hands down.

[00:22:40] That's how you begin a season, man.

[00:22:41] That was incredible.

[00:22:42] Yeah.

[00:22:43] And it's like, okay, this, this set the pace for the show for

[00:22:46] me. It's just this realistic, gritty thing.

[00:22:48] It's all of the world's problems distilled down to 50,000

[00:22:51] people.

[00:22:52] You're able to swallow it instead of filling like.

[00:22:54] Two months.

[00:22:55] Yeah.

[00:22:56] Yeah.

[00:22:57] So I was like,

[00:22:58] I'm going to go to the next episode and I'm going to go to

[00:23:00] the first season.

[00:23:01] If you're going to go to the next season,

[00:23:02] I'm going to go to the next season,

[00:23:03] but yeah,

[00:23:04] you're still going to have a lot of people saying like,

[00:23:06] Too much exhibition.

[00:23:07] Yeah.

[00:23:08] Johnson stole it for the last Jedi.

[00:23:10] I don't think I watched the pilot time.

[00:23:11] I just.

[00:23:12] I just realized that by the way.

[00:23:14] I've never connected those guys.

[00:23:19] That hurts my soul.

[00:23:30] Capricas 6 and then for the groom's cake it was a Cylon.

[00:23:34] It was funny because the person making the cake wanted

[00:23:38] like written consent from

[00:23:40] the studio that they had permission to do this.

[00:23:42] So we watched the letter and there you go,

[00:23:45] okay, we'll make the cake.

[00:23:46] Oh wow.

[00:23:48] It was pretty awesome. Yeah, it was a nice Cylon.

[00:23:51] Moments ago, this ship received word

[00:23:54] of a Cylon attack against our whole world is underway.

[00:23:58] Humanity's children are returning home.

[00:24:01] Sagittarius, how many of you got...

[00:24:07] 5,251 survivors from Sagittarius and Asken.

[00:24:10] It had been years since anyone had heard from the Cylons.

[00:24:15] And in an instant everything we knew was gone.

[00:24:19] There are less than 50,000 of us left.

[00:24:22] This war is over. We lost.

[00:24:26] Now we're on the run.

[00:24:28] Yes, we're tired.

[00:24:30] Yes, the Cylons keep coming after us time after time.

[00:24:34] And yes, we are still expected to do our jobs.

[00:24:39] There's at least one Cylon aboard the Galactica.

[00:24:42] No mistakes and be careful out there.

[00:24:45] People are getting crazy.

[00:24:46] Clear your heads.

[00:24:47] You said you had a way of detecting human from Cylon.

[00:24:50] Do you or don't you?

[00:24:51] Humanity's very survival mess in your hands.

[00:24:55] You're still acting like you're everyone's best friend.

[00:24:57] Be careful out there.

[00:24:59] Good hunting is what you say.

[00:25:00] You wake up somewhere and you don't know how you got there or anything?

[00:25:02] You're drunk.

[00:25:03] You heard the rumors.

[00:25:04] Cylons who look like human sleeper agents hiding in the fleet.

[00:25:07] I'm getting a bad feeling about where this is headed.

[00:25:09] Let Galactica know we have a problem out here.

[00:25:12] They've been tracking the ship.

[00:25:14] Oh.

[00:25:15] Who ship knows about you and the Chief?

[00:25:17] Put a stop to it.

[00:25:18] Man takes responsibility for his actions.

[00:25:21] He accepts the consequences and lives with them every day.

[00:25:25] I'm going to Galactica.

[00:25:26] I'm the best shot in around the cockpit.

[00:25:28] You are right on the edge.

[00:25:29] Trace carefully.

[00:25:30] You don't fall off.

[00:25:32] Peer away, Starboard!

[00:25:36] There's no choice.

[00:25:37] It's either them or us.

[00:25:40] Without a little risk, life is so dull.

[00:25:44] We're going to find our missing pilot.

[00:25:48] And we're going to bring her home.

[00:25:51] We leave no one behind.

[00:25:57] So you're off the band running.

[00:25:59] And it is interesting how this has survived.

[00:26:01] And to your earlier point, yeah, we weren't expecting anything.

[00:26:06] Why is Universal not wanted to make milk this today?

[00:26:11] It's like they didn't think it was going to be much.

[00:26:13] This is going to be a temporary summer show.

[00:26:15] And then they start getting all these himmys and everything.

[00:26:18] They keep taking it off streaming.

[00:26:20] The deal I can't find it.

[00:26:21] About to reboot it, I think.

[00:26:23] Aren't real.

[00:26:23] Hey, you talk to me about it, which means they're going to another dead idea.

[00:26:27] They've been talking about that for like 10 years, though.

[00:26:30] Yeah. So it's not one to commit money, I guess.

[00:26:33] It's supposed to be like a peacock, like exclusive, but they just aren't doing it.

[00:26:37] I do recommend Blood and Chrome.

[00:26:39] I know that one gets some flack, but I just dug how the actor

[00:26:43] who was playing young Adama in that and how it was just kind of just more

[00:26:48] ship to ship kind of stealth.

[00:26:50] And it had the navigation angle that the newer show was doing.

[00:26:53] But I thought it was a fun watch.

[00:26:55] Yeah. And plus, you got to love it when your main character

[00:26:58] calls someone a cocksucker.

[00:27:01] I do.

[00:27:02] Extended version of a swearing.

[00:27:04] I like how they get around cursing and they just have the.

[00:27:08] It weren't.

[00:27:08] It could be like that's that's a tough sell because that could be so corny.

[00:27:13] And they.

[00:27:14] It works.

[00:27:15] I think it really works.

[00:27:17] And if you watch the.

[00:27:19] Sorry.

[00:27:20] I was just saying, if you watch the original, they have fracking.

[00:27:23] They use the word fracking in the original, too,

[00:27:25] but they also use a really stupid one called Feldercar.

[00:27:29] That's too many syllables.

[00:27:31] Can't you can't go full.

[00:27:32] Car.

[00:27:33] Yeah, please.

[00:27:34] This is children's show.

[00:27:36] Well, and for a children's show,

[00:27:38] I was a hard hour on that film.

[00:27:43] I wasn't watching.

[00:27:44] I was watching the pilot

[00:27:47] for the original series or it was actually a movie.

[00:27:50] Yeah. The movie version is like there's a character.

[00:27:53] I'm not sure who it is.

[00:27:54] I think it's Cassiopeia maybe or I might be getting wrong,

[00:27:57] but there's she's a prostitute in the movie.

[00:27:59] Yes, you can.

[00:28:00] But then later, I don't say it, but you can tell.

[00:28:02] Yeah. Well, they kind of they call her something else,

[00:28:04] but you tell she's a prostitute.

[00:28:06] But then like later in the sex worker or something.

[00:28:08] But yeah, something like that.

[00:28:10] Here he's like a few episodes later.

[00:28:11] She is as a nurse for the doctor or something.

[00:28:14] Yeah. Yeah. It's Cassiopeia.

[00:28:17] Jason and baby, you guys have joked all about the other social topics.

[00:28:19] And then when you look at the original show, you're like, man,

[00:28:23] this is an even kookier society.

[00:28:25] I'm kind of I've seen the original.

[00:28:29] I can't remember if the the Battlestar Galactica movie

[00:28:32] was released in theaters or if I'm.

[00:28:34] Yeah, no, no, you're right.

[00:28:35] Much like Buck Rogers, you know, it syndicated

[00:28:37] as like a two free part movie, but they to get some extra viewers,

[00:28:42] they put the movie in theaters.

[00:28:44] So the Buck Rogers one is way more engaging, but

[00:28:48] that to I do, I got to say,

[00:28:52] if we want to go with the best moment of the original show,

[00:28:55] there's a great like Fort Savoteur

[00:28:59] by both Apollo and the male Starbucks on that show that

[00:29:03] that's when you're like, man, that is Star Wars on steroids right there.

[00:29:08] They are knocking people out.

[00:29:09] They are having to do some MacGyver type hacking into computer stuff.

[00:29:14] Yeah, it's they were dealing with more aliens in that movie, too,

[00:29:17] than I think they did right here.

[00:29:20] They could have opened up a black hole and it would have made sense.

[00:29:24] Well, remember in the original series, the site,

[00:29:26] while in the new series, the Cylons were our creation

[00:29:29] and in the original they were the the the Centurions were just

[00:29:34] what there were only a handful of actual Cylons left.

[00:29:36] Yeah.

[00:29:37] Lizard, like aliens.

[00:29:38] Yeah, yeah.

[00:29:39] Yeah. So so they did switch it up a little bit.

[00:29:41] But so of course, the first one had established the idea of aliens.

[00:29:45] So of course, they could encounter them as they went.

[00:29:47] But yeah, the new series really did.

[00:29:49] No, it was it was about people running from their creation.

[00:29:53] Well, Edward James almost refused to do it if there was aliens.

[00:29:56] He wouldn't do it.

[00:29:57] That is a good point.

[00:29:58] And that was a big thing for him.

[00:30:00] And if Eddie says no, I quit.

[00:30:02] Yeah.

[00:30:03] If Eddie says no, then it's our big stars.

[00:30:05] Not good.

[00:30:06] Yeah. You're not going to make LeBond by angry.

[00:30:09] Well, I wouldn't.

[00:30:09] Yeah.

[00:30:11] He was like, no one could look weirder than me.

[00:30:14] There you go.

[00:30:16] Oh, is it Lou Diamond?

[00:30:18] Yeah.

[00:30:18] We know.

[00:30:20] But he was in Stand and Deliver, see?

[00:30:22] So OK, so there you go.

[00:30:23] Like the same universe.

[00:30:25] Dad, he was.

[00:30:26] His dad.

[00:30:27] And that's what it was.

[00:30:29] East Side Morales is also his dad in Africa.

[00:30:32] So there you go.

[00:30:33] It was the goalie for the.

[00:30:34] Darned team.

[00:30:34] My God.

[00:30:35] The Latinos sci fi verse.

[00:30:38] There you go.

[00:30:39] Does anybody feel about Africa?

[00:30:42] No comment.

[00:30:43] I think it was forced.

[00:30:48] I think, yeah, I think they really lost their way with what they were trying to do.

[00:30:52] Yeah.

[00:30:52] Let the Pogo say.

[00:30:56] Oh yeah, I was.

[00:30:58] I started out not really like that much, but then I was really

[00:31:01] starting to dig it about the time they candid.

[00:31:04] Yeah.

[00:31:06] Yeah.

[00:31:06] So say we all.

[00:31:08] Well, didn't they at the end of it, didn't they release like

[00:31:12] this is what is going to happen?

[00:31:13] Like a five minute.

[00:31:15] Flip of everything that was to come.

[00:31:17] I like that.

[00:31:18] I don't know.

[00:31:19] I recall something like that.

[00:31:20] I don't know.

[00:31:21] Yeah, there was.

[00:31:21] Pulled off my shelf.

[00:31:22] Yeah.

[00:31:23] Yeah.

[00:31:23] Yeah.

[00:31:23] And I saw that and I'm like, shoot, I'll watch that show like that one.

[00:31:26] It was really interesting.

[00:31:29] I think they were too focused on trying to have on rated cuts and TV

[00:31:34] cuts and they should have just gotten straight into the meat and bones of it.

[00:31:38] But.

[00:31:40] Jace, what brings you to the cyberpunk table?

[00:31:44] So I'm not quite old enough to have seen the original when it was new, but

[00:31:48] I did grow up on the rerun.

[00:31:49] What a hell.

[00:31:51] And the thing that really, like the thing that got me hooked on

[00:31:56] Battlestar Galactica is the fact that Deep Space Nine had finished and

[00:32:00] I had a hole in my heart for like a good ensemble show and the

[00:32:03] ensemble on Battlestar is like off the top of the charts.

[00:32:08] Like the fact that you've got a character like Colonel Tarty who

[00:32:12] obviously was in the original.

[00:32:14] But they introduced him as just one of the supporting cast and he goes on to

[00:32:18] become one of like the most engaging characters in the whole thing.

[00:32:23] Yeah, exactly.

[00:32:25] Some of the best performances come out of like the supporting cast.

[00:32:27] The minute he finds out he's one of them, he's like,

[00:32:30] yeah, that is one of my favorite scenes.

[00:32:33] I've been killing everyone who is one of me.

[00:32:37] And the like Hilo as well, like was only supposed to be in the initial

[00:32:41] film, but everyone liked him so much.

[00:32:42] We talked about how we recognize him in anything, the taken show, Man of Steel.

[00:32:46] The minute we see him, him and the Sam actor, Michael Trugo,

[00:32:49] we were always like that dude from Battlestar.

[00:32:52] I have a soft spot for him because he's in Stargate as well.

[00:32:54] So as he said, that's right.

[00:32:57] He he was on there.

[00:32:59] He was one of the human form replicators as well.

[00:33:01] So he was a kind of a Cylon in Stargate, but not in.

[00:33:05] There you go.

[00:33:06] Now we got to get the Stargate in Battlestar.

[00:33:09] Jason, I love how you bring I love how you bring up Colonel Ty

[00:33:12] because he's the guy where you guys are watching the show.

[00:33:16] You kind of hate him, right?

[00:33:18] And then as the show goes on, you're like, I get this man.

[00:33:22] And then all of a sudden, he's like your favorite character all of a sudden.

[00:33:25] Right. Right. Yeah.

[00:33:26] And it blows my mind.

[00:33:27] He's an incredible character.

[00:33:29] I would still trip him up.

[00:33:32] Like we kind of.

[00:33:33] Yeah.

[00:33:34] I kind of like the religious thing and like,

[00:33:40] obviously they've got like the kind of the Greek theme with the

[00:33:44] very Shakespearean guy.

[00:33:45] Yeah.

[00:33:46] But what I really like with Colonel Ty is that when he's on Eucatrica,

[00:33:49] he always has like an Odin thing going on because like he loses the eye.

[00:33:53] He gains wisdom. He's got the beard.

[00:33:55] I love the whole like

[00:33:57] evolution of the character.

[00:33:58] That's awesome.

[00:33:59] Yes. There's some crazy connections they've done.

[00:34:03] Yeah. And I think, you know,

[00:34:06] I'm sure if you ask just your random college professor,

[00:34:10] probably some of them have seen and been like, oh, yeah, classic TV.

[00:34:16] Soul food.

[00:34:18] Yeah, Ty's great.

[00:34:19] And Ty has to has to be unlikeable at the beginning

[00:34:21] because he has to counterbalance Adam.

[00:34:23] Exactly. Because it is as a military guy,

[00:34:26] Adam is the commander you want.

[00:34:28] And Ty is the guy you don't want to have to see first.

[00:34:31] And the confidence in the show, like writers to give him that arc

[00:34:36] and to take their time with it.

[00:34:38] Bingo. Like that doesn't happen very often.

[00:34:40] Oh, that's not planned.

[00:34:41] So many characters, though, getting a slow burn.

[00:34:44] But in the good writing slash smart writing adapts.

[00:34:48] And that I think is what they did.

[00:34:50] Yeah, because you see them.

[00:34:51] They knew it to begin with.

[00:34:52] It feels like they had it planned out. Right.

[00:34:54] And that's and that's just I mean, this is a two-point right.

[00:34:57] They said they did.

[00:34:58] You know, tangent off.

[00:35:00] I mean, how many how many adaptations did Marvel make across their first

[00:35:04] 20 movies to get to the end game that we all love?

[00:35:08] Yeah. You know, they that was not a plan.

[00:35:11] Kevin Feige is lying.

[00:35:13] They had an idea.

[00:35:14] They had an idea.

[00:35:15] And the Tesseract was a cosmic.

[00:35:16] We had a plan.

[00:35:18] One of them was the plan.

[00:35:21] It just happened to all. Right.

[00:35:22] So it's like, you know, but it's good.

[00:35:25] I don't know if you could write it in a day.

[00:35:27] Make an allusion to good cop, bad cop and one of the many interrogation scenes.

[00:35:32] But they said something different, like Adam is like, you follow my lead,

[00:35:36] but don't be like me or something like that.

[00:35:38] It was probably the airlock scene that was a little before that.

[00:35:41] I think there was one other one where they're trying to.

[00:35:45] Interrogate Baltar one more time, and then there was just like

[00:35:48] a few other ones, but yes, the airlock scene is very impactful.

[00:35:51] That's when the show goes full blow 9-11.

[00:35:53] That's when they're like, man, no one is comfortable in their own skin.

[00:35:56] Unintended.

[00:35:58] That's like, well, again, it's you know, you debate the more,

[00:36:02] you know, morality and survival situations. Yeah.

[00:36:05] You know, I don't know how I really it is survival.

[00:36:08] Everything at that point is survival, which one of my favorite parts,

[00:36:11] you know, we're talking about favorite parts of the show.

[00:36:13] One of my favorite parts is when.

[00:36:18] Chief gets sent over to the

[00:36:21] is it the agricultural ship or the mining ship or the mining?

[00:36:24] Yeah. The work strike.

[00:36:25] And he sees how jacked up everything is, pardon the pun.

[00:36:29] Yes. And he like sides with the workers.

[00:36:31] And he sides with and he goes, no, that Adam has sent me here to get this right.

[00:36:35] This is what we have to do.

[00:36:36] You have the blue.

[00:36:37] He basically goes like this to a domain.

[00:36:38] He goes, no, we're shut down.

[00:36:40] Yeah. And then what does a domo do?

[00:36:42] He holds a gun to Kelly's head.

[00:36:44] Yeah, because a domo is doing what he thinks he needs to do.

[00:36:47] Exactly. So wild to a domo.

[00:36:49] You can't figure out his politics and agenda and everything, because

[00:36:52] I mean, he holds a gun to again, Athena's head.

[00:36:55] Well, I don't know.

[00:36:56] Everyone here is not the best of the best.

[00:36:58] They're like kind of the worst.

[00:37:00] You know, it's I mean, the president is the whole situation has brought out

[00:37:03] all the galactica is supposed to be commissioned.

[00:37:05] These are all relics.

[00:37:06] They're not sad as true.

[00:37:08] This should not be working.

[00:37:10] So they it's like every man that just becomes the only hope for.

[00:37:14] Don't you love how the doctor is taking a smoke every other?

[00:37:18] Doc Cottle is the greatest character of all time.

[00:37:20] He's so good.

[00:37:21] He's so good. Rest in peace.

[00:37:23] But I just dug it.

[00:37:24] He's just like, yeah, I'm not letting you know.

[00:37:27] Also real, even though it's in this crazy scenario that they felt like real people

[00:37:31] tell me everyone else is like spreading to be thrown in a brig.

[00:37:35] The doctor is like the only one who like everyone just doesn't even question.

[00:37:38] You're like, yes, because he's like the only doctor.

[00:37:40] So they don't have a choice.

[00:37:42] And I'm the only one you got.

[00:37:43] He's truly the voice of reason on that ship, too.

[00:37:45] I mean, really, from the time where they were.

[00:37:47] They hide the baby at one point.

[00:37:50] Yeah, he was constantly the voice of reason.

[00:37:52] I mean, he's actually one of my favorite.

[00:37:53] You know, I have two favorite moments.

[00:37:55] One of them and one of them was Doc Cottle at the end of the series

[00:37:59] where Roslyn saying her goodbyes to him and she breaks down crying

[00:38:03] and she says, you know, don't say anything, just gruff and walk away.

[00:38:06] Like, I love that interactive about and it and that sums up Cottle.

[00:38:11] Right. He's like this more.

[00:38:12] He's the moral center of that show. Really? That's a good point.

[00:38:15] He doesn't how would this do anything wrong medicine in the future?

[00:38:19] They do in a way where it doesn't feel preachy.

[00:38:20] If you did it now, now people would just feel like you're hammering them

[00:38:24] to death with some social commentary that's not balanced.

[00:38:27] And this one is able, you know, it's in the future.

[00:38:30] So it's like, yeah, we don't got much medicine of anything left.

[00:38:35] So, but yeah, he also he was tough and he didn't pull punches either.

[00:38:39] Usually whenever he was talking to me, he said,

[00:38:42] all military will be excused.

[00:38:44] We are operating.

[00:38:47] We're trying to keep your president and your captain up and running.

[00:38:51] So get the fuck out.

[00:38:53] Punching darts the entire time.

[00:38:54] He was. Yeah, he would win the Nerf gun match if he.

[00:38:58] Well, he was the guy who never hesitated to help out a siren,

[00:39:01] even if they were injured, right?

[00:39:02] He'd rush in there to help them.

[00:39:04] Everyone's saying, what are you doing?

[00:39:05] He's like that. This is this is what I do.

[00:39:07] You know where everyone else is constantly saying, whose side are you on

[00:39:10] before I determine if I'm going to help you, whose side are you on?

[00:39:13] Does that?

[00:39:14] I don't know.

[00:39:15] And then I love how he revisits him when he realizes

[00:39:18] silence can have kids, he's like, you're back.

[00:39:22] Now you need me.

[00:39:25] All of it or I'm sorry, we've been talking back and forth.

[00:39:28] What brought you to this space opera madness?

[00:39:31] I know you're a sci fi holic.

[00:39:33] Well, yeah, I mean, that was definitely part of it.

[00:39:37] I did watch the original and reruns.

[00:39:40] I actually for a long number of years,

[00:39:44] I actually thought the original was a Star Wars series.

[00:39:49] Oh, really?

[00:39:50] I was a.

[00:39:51] No, so.

[00:39:54] But I really did think that was a Star Wars series for a number of years

[00:39:58] before there was no.

[00:40:01] And but anyway, but yeah, all the other sci fi I watched throughout the years

[00:40:05] and then when I caught one that they're doing this one, I'm like,

[00:40:09] oh, yeah, I'm definitely going to watch that.

[00:40:11] And I definitely, definitely enjoyed it.

[00:40:15] It started off super strong,

[00:40:18] kind of went down, then a little back up and

[00:40:23] then kind of ended and it weak, but not super weak.

[00:40:26] I've definitely seen why George RR Martin hates it.

[00:40:30] You can't do anything because they actually finish.

[00:40:32] Yes, they ended it.

[00:40:35] I mean, I've seen lots of other sci fi

[00:40:39] and extremely poorly like one of my favorites.

[00:40:42] I love the original V miniseries.

[00:40:45] I can't.

[00:40:46] That's good.

[00:40:47] Yeah, I hate the ending.

[00:40:49] I hate that magic hybrid baby in that.

[00:40:52] That was the second one.

[00:40:53] There was two miniseries, I think.

[00:40:56] Yeah, they did.

[00:40:56] They did a newer one.

[00:40:57] Oh, yeah, that was that was the final battle with the.

[00:41:01] And that was your final time watching it.

[00:41:03] You're like, yeah, with the original.

[00:41:05] But I did also like the the new version of that one, though,

[00:41:08] it kind of reversed some things and.

[00:41:11] But but anyway, that's not what this discussion is about.

[00:41:14] Oh, no, but to be fair, also,

[00:41:16] it's hard to play a robot or a cyborg on TV.

[00:41:19] And we're able to take any of these actors serious

[00:41:22] without just being like, oh, you're doing a crappy Terminator

[00:41:25] or data on Star Trek impression.

[00:41:27] I think these guys got it.

[00:41:28] You know, I get what the friendly atmosphere and it was a good,

[00:41:32] fast film shoot, but.

[00:41:35] It just seems to be it seems like we're back to square one

[00:41:38] where people are liking stuff, but they don't know why it works.

[00:41:41] It's like, let's examine this.

[00:41:44] Why does it work for the most part?

[00:41:46] Yeah, the way they had everything set up there.

[00:41:49] I like how I don't question interactions between

[00:41:54] the officer side with the civilians, the in fighting it.

[00:41:59] It brought a lot of different story possibilities.

[00:42:03] It brings out our insecurities kind of.

[00:42:04] Yeah, they had a there were certainly some and loose ends

[00:42:08] that they did quite wrap up very well.

[00:42:10] But you see that a lot of things.

[00:42:12] They throw a lot of stuff out there and they never get back.

[00:42:14] That's what to get.

[00:42:14] They had a lot of too many people.

[00:42:16] Yeah, there is a cool comic book

[00:42:19] you might like that describes the final five.

[00:42:21] Anyway, sorry, you were going to say, baby.

[00:42:23] Oh, yeah.

[00:42:24] Well, I was thinking like the reason that it works

[00:42:28] in terms of the character building is because they're all playing human.

[00:42:32] At the yes.

[00:42:33] True.

[00:42:34] Oh, that nobody they're all played out.

[00:42:36] All like it's just a fantastical environment.

[00:42:39] Who's the pylon?

[00:42:40] It's like who done it?

[00:42:41] True. Yeah, that was kind of a fun part of that show, too.

[00:42:44] 100 percent. Yep.

[00:42:47] So I think that's why it worked so well,

[00:42:49] because you are watching to see what's going to happen next.

[00:42:52] I know the directors, you know, Nanking and everybody.

[00:42:56] They worked in just about every genre.

[00:42:58] Prime action, sci fi horror.

[00:43:00] So that might be also to their credit.

[00:43:03] They can do all kinds of factors

[00:43:06] as opposed to just one and done.

[00:43:08] I can only do this kind of arrows in their glory.

[00:43:11] Yes.

[00:43:13] Lots of gold in their mansion.

[00:43:17] Well, I think why, too, it could be such a big hit.

[00:43:21] Like, I think back to, you know, this was 2004,

[00:43:24] I think when this first came out.

[00:43:26] So three years after September 11th.

[00:43:28] But I think one of the biggest moments is in the pilot.

[00:43:32] Well, in the in the movie where Rosalyn basically says,

[00:43:35] and we've already lost this war, you know,

[00:43:37] we need to start making babies kind of thing.

[00:43:39] But we've lost it.

[00:43:40] I think that well, but I think back to the American

[00:43:44] psyche after September 11.

[00:43:46] And I think about how like, you know,

[00:43:48] America went from feeling invincible to all of a sudden.

[00:43:51] Oh, goodness.

[00:43:52] We just got our asses into us and we don't know why.

[00:43:55] Show that that speaks to it in a really real way

[00:43:59] without hammering us over the head about it.

[00:44:02] You know, it was so it's like, oh, here's something

[00:44:05] that's speaking to the way we're feeling.

[00:44:07] And maybe we didn't even realize we were feeling that.

[00:44:10] And that's a gift of Ronald D.

[00:44:12] Moore, obviously.

[00:44:14] The extended scenes on the Blu Ray's.

[00:44:16] And I think there's one on the worker strike episode.

[00:44:19] Those are just good because like they give you a little extra time

[00:44:23] for everyone in their rooms.

[00:44:24] It doesn't.

[00:44:25] None of them feel like extra deleted scenes that, you know, really Scott,

[00:44:30] you know, enhanced and put back in, you know, it's not that kind of thing.

[00:44:32] Like they they will do their there for you.

[00:44:34] They just were. Yeah.

[00:44:36] You were denied these were these were full seasons, right?

[00:44:39] They were all like 22, three, four episodes.

[00:44:41] Yeah. It's not like now where they'll put out a 12.

[00:44:43] Yeah. How many six?

[00:44:45] How many shows feel on incomplete?

[00:44:48] Because the first one was 13.

[00:44:50] These these first season was 13, then 22.

[00:44:52] It's not going to get was a it was a pickup.

[00:44:54] Yeah, I mean, the 13 was a pickup.

[00:44:57] But I mean, they had we're talking about all these character development.

[00:44:59] They had room.

[00:45:01] They had room. They had time.

[00:45:03] They you know, they had the space to to to explore and let the actors

[00:45:07] explore, right? And do that.

[00:45:09] And that, you know, that's under the table reads in the special features.

[00:45:13] They are loving getting into character and teasing each other. Right.

[00:45:16] And I think you can really see where

[00:45:19] the actors really connect with the character in the story

[00:45:23] when Edward James almost directs always.

[00:45:27] Yeah, anything an actor, director.

[00:45:31] Like he was in that world.

[00:45:33] I mean, like everyone knew the assignment.

[00:45:35] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:45:36] Lately, you're aware and they had everything they needed to know

[00:45:40] in Edwards episodes.

[00:45:41] Of course, the mission was just don't piss off it.

[00:45:43] Yeah. Right. Do it right.

[00:45:46] That is true.

[00:45:48] We've got to raise our game.

[00:45:49] Look who's behind the camera.

[00:45:51] Oh, man. Those feature ads are great.

[00:45:54] I also have anyone seen any of his other works that he's done?

[00:45:58] American Me and Walkout.

[00:46:01] He just does protests in his movies just so well.

[00:46:04] And you get a bit of that here where it's like,

[00:46:06] where am I in the scene, how am I staged and go, you know?

[00:46:11] Show me the fear and anxiety that you're feeling.

[00:46:14] Jason and I were talking about the scene where he's painting

[00:46:18] the so beautiful that scene with him just like being so like

[00:46:26] full of movement and rage and just desperation.

[00:46:30] Yes. And he's expressing it with a paintbrush.

[00:46:33] And I'm like, this is so artistic.

[00:46:36] Who really loves like, you know, he really loves getting messy.

[00:46:38] Like any time he gets to be like real sloppy drunk,

[00:46:42] like crawling on the floor, like there's a scene where I think it's in the finale.

[00:46:45] It's like a flashback and he's like vomiting and like laying in it.

[00:46:48] And like, right. Oh, yeah.

[00:46:50] And it's a drunk method acting.

[00:46:52] Man, that's but that's where he gets drunk and Lee comes in and hugs him.

[00:46:56] Oh, yeah. He's taking care of his dad.

[00:46:59] But at least that was after he died. Right.

[00:47:01] And might have been right. Yeah.

[00:47:03] And how about when he thinks Starbucks dead?

[00:47:06] She's not. But he does.

[00:47:07] And he's been putting this boat in a bottle together.

[00:47:10] And then he just.

[00:47:11] Trash. Wipes it all off the table and he's just crying like a son of a bitch.

[00:47:15] He's like, yeah.

[00:47:16] And so we're the production crew because he trashed a real boat.

[00:47:20] Yeah. No.

[00:47:24] Like they got that at an auction or something that was expensive.

[00:47:27] It was on loan. Yeah.

[00:47:30] I wonder if the director that was like Jonathan Franks,

[00:47:32] where he's like, we're doing two takes.

[00:47:36] Some poor P.A.

[00:47:37] was Jonathan Frank middle name is to take.

[00:47:40] We can salvage it.

[00:47:41] Yeah, we can rebuild it, gentlemen.

[00:47:44] We can do it from behind.

[00:47:45] I think kind of well, you won't notice.

[00:47:49] You might know that original the original Battlestar Galactica,

[00:47:53] you know, the characters were there to serve the story,

[00:47:56] whereas where in the newer one, you know, the story served the characters.

[00:48:01] That's a good contrast because you do look at a Dama,

[00:48:05] the Lauren Green version of the original.

[00:48:07] They love it.

[00:48:08] There wasn't much.

[00:48:09] Yeah, there wasn't much depth to it.

[00:48:10] There wasn't depth to them.

[00:48:11] But so they would kind of do a soap opera kind of camera angleers like

[00:48:15] and your close up.

[00:48:16] Yeah, the grand.

[00:48:17] Oh, it was 1979.

[00:48:19] I know. I know.

[00:48:21] That story telling on TV was done.

[00:48:23] Yeah.

[00:48:24] Yeah. It just was a thing.

[00:48:26] Every other version of this new one.

[00:48:28] And it's it's an interesting contrast.

[00:48:30] It's like only the captain gets his close up.

[00:48:32] Now this one, depending on the mood, you're getting your close up.

[00:48:38] That's kind of an interesting contrast about a Dama in general, though,

[00:48:41] in the. Yeah.

[00:48:42] In the original kind of a sense, he was like a politician as well.

[00:48:46] He was like Capric is representative on the council and everything.

[00:48:48] He was like the perfect everything.

[00:48:50] And then when they brought in the Pegasus, it was Commander Kane.

[00:48:53] Whereas when they did that on the reboot series,

[00:48:55] like he was very much just a commander and kind of like not

[00:48:59] that great of one reputation wise.

[00:49:01] And then they bring in Admiral Kane, which.

[00:49:04] Oh, yeah. It's fantastic.

[00:49:05] I mean, permission to kill the admiral.

[00:49:09] And like all of that stuff, like they they very much like squashed him down

[00:49:14] into like a much more like imperfect person.

[00:49:18] And we get Michelle Ford's just so much more interesting.

[00:49:21] Let me know if you guys want me to ask Michelle Forbes

[00:49:23] any question if I get her on here.

[00:49:24] Oh, and this goes back to why I think this is such a relatable show for people.

[00:49:29] There's no perfect character on there.

[00:49:31] Now you could look at every single character and be like,

[00:49:33] I know someone like that.

[00:49:34] You know, everyone, you know, we know people like a starbucket.

[00:49:38] I know people like this is really not bad, but it's self-destructive.

[00:49:42] We know drunks like Colonel Ty.

[00:49:45] You know, we know these people, whereas most science fiction shows

[00:49:48] you had the perfect characters and the bad guys.

[00:49:51] Right. The perfect characters at my different security jobs.

[00:49:55] Yeah. Where they're rowdy one day and another day is like,

[00:49:58] you know, don't engage with this person.

[00:50:01] Just tell them to leave.

[00:50:03] But but Adama is such a great example, because again, he's not.

[00:50:07] It is like the one.

[00:50:08] It is. Yeah.

[00:50:10] But Adama is not a perfect commander, right?

[00:50:12] He's a very flawed man.

[00:50:14] I mean, there's a reason he got relegated to the Battlestar Galactica.

[00:50:19] I will disagree.

[00:50:21] I don't. I will. I will.

[00:50:22] I will. No, Adama is the perfect.

[00:50:25] Oh, but Adama is the perfect.

[00:50:27] Adama, that situation is perfect.

[00:50:30] Years ago when the war was going on.

[00:50:32] Yeah, which is why.

[00:50:35] And when the Galactica was the bell of the fleet.

[00:50:37] Yeah, wartime president.

[00:50:40] He is. And you know, we talk about, you know, we see all these characters.

[00:50:44] How many Adama generals, how many generals

[00:50:48] are relegated and pushed?

[00:50:50] They're forgotten.

[00:50:51] I mean, you know, sports cough lauded, lauded went away.

[00:50:56] You see how well Adama is equipped to run this ship at this time.

[00:51:01] When Ty takes over the ship runs.

[00:51:05] Yeah, starts killing people.

[00:51:07] The one day he has to he has to like run the ship and do it his way.

[00:51:12] He he messes it all up.

[00:51:14] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:51:15] Hubar. There's there's there's there's there's military precedent for that.

[00:51:20] That's that's called a commander coming in and changing things to change things,

[00:51:24] not changing things that are wrong.

[00:51:26] It's changing things.

[00:51:27] But you're staying up on it.

[00:51:28] But you're starting like that is the typical.

[00:51:31] We see this with all these vice presidents coming in and ruining all those movie

[00:51:35] and studios.

[00:51:36] Jellicoe effect, I think.

[00:51:37] Yeah, the Jellicoe effect from Star Trek.

[00:51:39] Yeah, it is the Jellicoe.

[00:51:41] Yep.

[00:51:41] Yeah, I like and that's an interesting one as well, because like Jellicoe

[00:51:45] isn't necessarily a bad guy, but he is the wrong captain for that.

[00:51:49] Just the imposing force.

[00:51:51] Yeah. And I mean,

[00:51:53] same thing with that volcano.

[00:51:55] She's not a bad person, but she's done more work.

[00:51:58] Yeah.

[00:52:01] She's better than Tig.

[00:52:02] Well, I mean, the Pegasus situation evolved differently than Galactica state.

[00:52:07] Right. Right.

[00:52:08] I mean, it's it's two different universe.

[00:52:10] I mean, that's two separate universes in this universe.

[00:52:12] But much like which is what causes the doesn't listen to whatever

[00:52:16] anyone else is saying or acknowledge them.

[00:52:18] And then she shoots people.

[00:52:19] So it's like, yeah, and I don't know.

[00:52:21] He kind of does that, too.

[00:52:23] We just were sitting with him for so long.

[00:52:25] We're on his side. Right.

[00:52:27] Well, we believe he's right.

[00:52:29] Whereas with her, we aren't sure because we don't know.

[00:52:32] Exactly. We didn't sit with her for I didn't say any of them were perfect.

[00:52:37] I get that they are the opposing force.

[00:52:39] I kind of reminds me of the razor gave me some flashback anyway.

[00:52:43] But she kind of reminds me of Marla Brando's character in Apocalypse Now.

[00:52:48] I want to give Jesus.

[00:52:50] I want to go that far.

[00:52:52] But yes, Colonel Kurtz is definitely

[00:52:54] as an errand boy for grocery clerics collecting a bill.

[00:52:59] Wow. I think I think they are very different people.

[00:53:01] You know, Josh, you mentioned like, well, we're just on a side.

[00:53:04] But at the same time,

[00:53:05] a dime is not going to capture civilian ships,

[00:53:09] take their parts and leave them for dad. Right.

[00:53:11] That is true. Right.

[00:53:13] Did he want to? He absolutely did.

[00:53:15] He did do quite a lot.

[00:53:18] But Adam never let his captives be raped.

[00:53:24] Yes, that was true.

[00:53:26] That's a.

[00:53:28] I mean, I had to do that.

[00:53:29] It's kind of a low bar, but the Pegasus

[00:53:33] and that culture came to Galactica and you saw Hilo

[00:53:37] and Chief like stand the trial for that.

[00:53:41] True. So they did.

[00:53:43] You can see, though, like how he could have gone down

[00:53:45] that road without the proper voice next to him.

[00:53:48] Like, you know, it's a bit of it's a bit of everything.

[00:53:52] And what were you saying, Jason?

[00:53:53] Oh, no, I was just saying, like they didn't even get a trial.

[00:53:56] If I remember right, wasn't that the whole situation

[00:53:58] where she like gave them a court martial?

[00:54:00] Oh, yeah. Anyone had even got back.

[00:54:02] And I was like, I was like, yeah, screw this.

[00:54:05] I'm sending the Marines to get my people back.

[00:54:07] Yeah, like that was kind of like this because they picked a fight

[00:54:10] with my men doesn't mean you get to execute them.

[00:54:13] Yeah. And it was kind of like, I think,

[00:54:15] Adama was loyal to his crew, whereas Kane was loyal

[00:54:18] to the hierarchy that gave her power because like she was an admiral

[00:54:21] and she was very into being an admiral and the structure in the protocol.

[00:54:25] And this war situation.

[00:54:27] Well, and in the Razor movie, they just show that basically

[00:54:31] because she's been just abandoned and even abandoned her sister,

[00:54:36] she's just basically she's callous.

[00:54:38] She can't turn that humanity part of her on.

[00:54:42] And she comes close.

[00:54:44] He comes very close, but because Adama is good at using him, he's like

[00:54:48] Adama is basically the director of a movie that's doomed,

[00:54:51] but he makes it work.

[00:54:53] He uses infamous actors in a way.

[00:54:56] Think of it that way.

[00:54:57] He shouldn't be using TIG,

[00:55:01] but he finds a way to use it.

[00:55:02] And same thing with all the other guys.

[00:55:04] He shouldn't be using them, but he lets he gives them their playground.

[00:55:08] And then when they cross the line, that's when he says, OK,

[00:55:11] come to my bridge.

[00:55:12] The thing about the thing about Adama, he knew what he knew

[00:55:16] how to take these parts that other people would consider broken parts

[00:55:19] and make them function in a good way.

[00:55:21] Colonel Ty is a great example, right?

[00:55:23] You know, was he a wreck as a number one?

[00:55:25] Was he an alcoholic? Yeah, he was all this thing.

[00:55:27] But he was a great number two.

[00:55:28] Like he really was a great number two.

[00:55:30] I kept the he's like your attack dog.

[00:55:32] That's useful. Yeah.

[00:55:33] Did anyone want Starbucks? No, no one wanted her.

[00:55:36] But he had he found a way to control her and use her.

[00:55:39] You know, all these people, they admired this man because

[00:55:43] they all come very close.

[00:55:44] He was broken.

[00:55:45] He saw the wholeness of that.

[00:55:47] What's weird is they're very infrequent drinkers.

[00:55:50] But when they drink, they get about like five shots

[00:55:52] and they are a wreck the next day.

[00:55:55] So it makes me wonder where they're getting all this bourbon from.

[00:55:59] They make it at home.

[00:56:00] It's moonshine, baby.

[00:56:03] I didn't mention that.

[00:56:04] It's Ambrosia.

[00:56:09] Hideaway, man.

[00:56:11] Thanks. It knocks them on their ass to where it made me wonder

[00:56:13] if they were drinking white Russian.

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[00:57:56] Another interesting Star Trek parallel since we mentioned

[00:57:59] Jellico already and since we're talking about.

[00:58:00] They don't do any Kobayashi Maru's so point taken off.

[00:58:03] They do essentially do the Equinox storyline

[00:58:07] because Kane is basically Captain Ransom.

[00:58:10] And like obviously, like that's probably no accident.

[00:58:14] Baring in mind, the writers that are involved, right?

[00:58:16] Like to have like they took that one thing

[00:58:18] that they only got two episodes to do in Voyager.

[00:58:20] And they made like however many Kane was in for and stuff like that.

[00:58:24] It is true. Yeah.

[00:58:25] Equinox and Year of Hell.

[00:58:27] All right. Like that's a battle star.

[00:58:28] Exactly. Well, well, Year of Hell was going to be a whole.

[00:58:31] So they get home faster.

[00:58:33] It should have been.

[00:58:34] Yeah, it should have been the whole series,

[00:58:36] which is what battle star was. Yeah, exactly.

[00:58:42] So I'm going to start on Voyager.

[00:58:44] Promise. Those are good points.

[00:58:45] We were talking Stargate earlier.

[00:58:46] Stargate universe tried a similar style, but it wasn't a couple of years

[00:58:51] early is the problem. Yeah.

[00:58:53] All right, because we were used to being fun and mix of X-Files type series.

[00:58:58] And they came in, hit us over the head.

[00:59:00] And, you know, the captain murders someone while he's getting a ship

[00:59:04] ready for extraction.

[00:59:05] So that was hard to take in because they were.

[00:59:07] So I do feel like this battle star style is very hard to replicate.

[00:59:10] It's my point. It's like it's

[00:59:13] because we've mentioned space above and beyond before.

[00:59:15] And this was my space above and beyond methadone.

[00:59:18] That's how I started it.

[00:59:20] I was like, I want more of that.

[00:59:21] And then it's something more.

[00:59:23] I think it could have gotten there, but we know what happened. Right.

[00:59:27] And even just the aliens formula in general,

[00:59:30] I see so many people when they want to do something like that,

[00:59:33] they'll just still seems wholeheartedly just a wholesale.

[00:59:36] And it's like, no, just take the similar structure

[00:59:39] and create your own characters.

[00:59:41] There's a lot of misunderstanding of what works.

[00:59:44] Oh, don't they?

[00:59:45] What are the words?

[00:59:46] It's a big misunderstanding.

[00:59:47] Look at all the diehard robots. Yeah.

[00:59:51] Now I have a I have a battle star question for you all.

[00:59:54] Relate. Sorry.

[00:59:55] I'm not I don't mean to be stealing it, but like

[00:59:58] one of my favorite moments is from an episode that people absolutely hate.

[01:00:02] And well, is a hated episode, which is unfinished business.

[01:00:06] The boxing episode.

[01:00:07] A lot of people don't like that episode.

[01:00:09] I love it.

[01:00:09] I love the boxing.

[01:00:10] That was a bit of a.

[01:00:11] They just had enough time to put a ring in the middle of the bar.

[01:00:18] Well, look at it this way.

[01:00:20] This is Ronald D.

[01:00:20] Moore's running man type commentary.

[01:00:22] He's showing how everyone has to bring out all their animal instincts.

[01:00:26] This is a Cinderella fucking stupid boxing match.

[01:00:28] Like, yeah.

[01:00:29] But yes, if you go into it.

[01:00:31] Festivus.

[01:00:33] Yeah, exactly.

[01:00:34] So I'm curious what you all think of that.

[01:00:36] I'm hearing agreements.

[01:00:38] Yeah, I hear those people.

[01:00:40] Yeah, the idea of that is is actually sound.

[01:00:44] It's but that that.

[01:00:47] Even in.

[01:00:49] The kind of primitive

[01:00:52] military setting that Galactica is in terms of the rest of the fleet

[01:00:55] that is now gone, it just feels out of place.

[01:00:59] But there's no there's there's I don't think there's like

[01:01:03] a societal equivalent they could use.

[01:01:05] I mean, in the first in the original series, they had the game

[01:01:09] where they glorified basketball where either lot, you know, with.

[01:01:12] Interesting.

[01:01:13] So I think that's in this place.

[01:01:16] Yeah, and it's late, right?

[01:01:18] Sorry, Samuel T.

[01:01:19] Anders, his his team, his resistance team or Capricot was like a.

[01:01:22] Yeah, the play that's.

[01:01:23] The pyramid game.

[01:01:24] Yeah, that's it.

[01:01:25] But like pyramid.

[01:01:26] Yeah.

[01:01:26] Yeah. To your guys' point, there could have been some extra build up,

[01:01:30] but I think the idea was better overall, regardless of the execution.

[01:01:34] But I see you guys' point.

[01:01:36] It's a good idea, but maybe execution was off.

[01:01:39] Yeah. And you people have mentioned that the fact that there's 20

[01:01:42] some episodes was a good thing in some ways.

[01:01:45] I think that's where it's hindered because maybe they had a little

[01:01:49] too much time to fill and maybe some like black market fully baked ideas.

[01:01:53] Now I will go on the record.

[01:01:54] Now we have to put too many.

[01:01:56] I will.

[01:01:57] I will defend Black Market from season two.

[01:01:59] Oh, everyone hates that episode.

[01:02:02] I don't hate that anchor.

[01:02:04] I know everyone seems to hate on it.

[01:02:06] I don't hate that.

[01:02:07] It's not great, but it's not the worst one.

[01:02:08] I'll tell you that.

[01:02:09] OK, well, I love me some.

[01:02:12] What's the worst one?

[01:02:13] What's the worst one?

[01:02:14] Worst one is in season three.

[01:02:15] It's a day in the life.

[01:02:16] It's the one where Adama is reflecting on his marriage to his wife.

[01:02:22] And they just have no chemistry and like nothing really happens

[01:02:27] meaningfully in that episode.

[01:02:28] All right. Well, we're putting you in the air.

[01:02:30] It's all good.

[01:02:30] I'm saying that can be a bad thing.

[01:02:33] That's where Galen and Kelly are stuck in the

[01:02:37] like in the part of the ship that blow blew out, right?

[01:02:41] Yeah.

[01:02:42] Mm hmm. Oh, yeah.

[01:02:43] That one's like that.

[01:02:44] That story becomes more interesting in the main story.

[01:02:48] You know, that one sucks.

[01:02:49] Now, now here's the question.

[01:02:51] Are you guys watching these episodes back to back or are you doing them

[01:02:53] one at a time?

[01:02:56] We did it once a week.

[01:02:58] OK, and we watched it the second.

[01:02:59] So I am biased.

[01:03:00] If you watch these all back together,

[01:03:02] you kind of feel like it's all one connected movie.

[01:03:06] It makes a difference for me personally.

[01:03:07] I find if I just watch one, it doesn't do anything for me.

[01:03:11] And I lose interest real fast.

[01:03:12] I think it handles subplots better than most shows,

[01:03:15] because there are so many other shows where I could go on for days.

[01:03:19] But just like there's some where it's just like this supporting character

[01:03:23] doesn't have chemistry with this character.

[01:03:25] I only like the plot A, but plot B kind of sank the episode.

[01:03:29] You know, it's just and I don't know.

[01:03:32] I can because there's so much to focus on plot A's and B's,

[01:03:36] sometimes C's in the show still have a lot going for them.

[01:03:41] I feel there's something redeemable than every episode, at least,

[01:03:45] you know, something interesting, at least.

[01:03:47] And there's very few shows that you can that you could go back

[01:03:50] and rewatch on a weekly basis.

[01:03:52] You almost on a rewatch, you almost just have to commit

[01:03:56] to just watching as many as you can as often as you can.

[01:03:59] Yeah, because there's too much going on.

[01:04:00] There's just too much going.

[01:04:01] Yeah, but you get distracted.

[01:04:02] It's you see something shiny and on a rewatch,

[01:04:05] you're going to be able to identify those episodes.

[01:04:07] Maybe that were weaker.

[01:04:09] That you that you glossed over when you had to watch them.

[01:04:13] I don't know how much of it is because they're saying

[01:04:15] it's more of an event.

[01:04:16] They had a pretty burn through this and go on writing crew.

[01:04:20] But I know it is interesting how much of it is.

[01:04:22] That's a David Icke episode versus that's a

[01:04:25] Leslie Karnes or Ronald DeMore episode.

[01:04:28] And I mean, I'd put the first couple of seasons up

[01:04:31] against almost any other show.

[01:04:33] I think they're so good.

[01:04:35] Yeah. Where would you say it drops off for you?

[01:04:40] And like season three, there was an I wish I could remember

[01:04:44] the episode exactly, but there was an episode where,

[01:04:47] I don't know, they had this big silo ship that they could have destroyed

[01:04:49] and they were just like all of a sudden being like, no, we shouldn't do that.

[01:04:53] It's like they just did a genocide on you.

[01:04:55] Like, what do you mean you should do that?

[01:04:58] What is going on here?

[01:04:59] Like I sort of got what they're trying to say, but it doesn't work.

[01:05:02] It didn't work for me in that universe where like

[01:05:05] there's thousands of them left after.

[01:05:07] Have you seen it lately?

[01:05:09] It was just now I haven't gotten.

[01:05:12] So Josh is saying he would side with Gata.

[01:05:15] That's good to know.

[01:05:16] I mean, if a bunch of robots are going to try to exterminate me,

[01:05:20] I'm probably not giving quarter, you know.

[01:05:24] OK, so I take it back.

[01:05:26] I don't know.

[01:05:27] If they exterminated 99% of our population,

[01:05:30] I'm probably not going to like just be like, these guys are fine though.

[01:05:34] Let them go.

[01:05:35] I want to know what to do, but I want to do what Gata does.

[01:05:37] Man, that dude, total piece of work.

[01:05:41] No reason.

[01:05:42] Little bastard.

[01:05:43] Oh, man.

[01:05:44] Like he just decided I'm going to kiss everyone's ass.

[01:05:47] And then when it suits me, I'm going to do my own thing.

[01:05:50] And then when they get all taken over, he's like, or surrender.

[01:05:53] It was like after all those problems risking everybody's life.

[01:05:57] And I love Gata.

[01:05:58] I love Gata.

[01:05:59] So you're not supposed to like him.

[01:06:02] What? I like Gata.

[01:06:04] You're supposed to understand.

[01:06:06] I like him. I understand why he did what he did.

[01:06:08] Doesn't make it right.

[01:06:10] He's like, he's complicated.

[01:06:12] By the end of the season, it's pretty clear

[01:06:13] you're not supposed to like him.

[01:06:15] Oh, I feel bad for him.

[01:06:17] He like he injured himself.

[01:06:20] He tried to he tried to bring a new vision to the world.

[01:06:24] And obviously, he had bad help with Zeric next to anyone who allows themselves

[01:06:29] with Baltar and then just goes in various places.

[01:06:33] He was the only one thinking of the team.

[01:06:36] They don't tell you that he's a gay character

[01:06:38] and that that affinity for Baltar might be something else.

[01:06:43] It might not be completely logical where he's coming from with Baltar.

[01:06:48] I'm not saying the writing is bad.

[01:06:50] I know that he's totally seduced.

[01:06:52] I like Gata's character, but it was he's like a tragic character.

[01:06:57] Yes. OK, I will accept that.

[01:06:59] But don't tell me he's likable.

[01:07:00] I think one thing that gets glossed over with Gator as well.

[01:07:03] So pathetic might be the better words.

[01:07:04] He's one of the few characters that actually makes an attempt

[01:07:07] to make amends for the stuff that he did as well.

[01:07:09] And he doesn't do it in a showy way.

[01:07:11] He like because he's the one that's secretly like feeding information

[01:07:14] to the resistance on your Caprica, like flipping over the dog ball stuff.

[01:07:17] He doesn't want a claim for that.

[01:07:19] He's just like guilty and he's making up for it, but he doesn't tell anyone.

[01:07:22] They don't know even when his life is pretty hard to come back from.

[01:07:26] Right. Yeah, but who on Battlestar didn't do a mutiny?

[01:07:29] To be fair. Yeah.

[01:07:30] I mean, yeah, there's some.

[01:07:31] It happened all the time.

[01:07:32] That's a really good point.

[01:07:34] Yeah. The dam was mutinying against Cain at one point, right?

[01:07:38] Like, yeah, and right.

[01:07:40] You could see a step.

[01:07:43] That's the whole speech that Apollo gave during Baltar's trial.

[01:07:46] Like, who among us hasn't done some stuff like that?

[01:07:49] That was a great speech.

[01:07:50] That was definitely a great speech.

[01:07:52] The whole trial storyline and having Mark Shepard involved as well.

[01:07:56] Don't you love how they had to keep that all secret

[01:07:59] because during the early days of the Internet.

[01:08:01] So it's so funny seeing the special feature,

[01:08:03] the cinematographer is getting impatient.

[01:08:04] He's going, let's shoot all fucking ready.

[01:08:06] And the director's having something from his headset.

[01:08:09] He's like, I won't know what's in the can until the next day

[01:08:12] in the editing room.

[01:08:13] And they film like five different versions.

[01:08:16] That's the one they went with, just so no one would spoil that twist.

[01:08:20] But they do that on RuPaul's Drag Race.

[01:08:26] Same universe.

[01:08:27] Similar. Very similar.

[01:08:28] Oh, my word.

[01:08:29] I didn't think on the Battlestar Galactica show

[01:08:31] we'd get a RuPaul Drag Race reference, but that's fantastic.

[01:08:34] You better work.

[01:08:36] I was not expecting that at all.

[01:08:38] Well, I was not expecting that.

[01:08:40] That is amazing. RuPaul as a commander.

[01:08:42] Well, they spoiled like the winner one time.

[01:08:45] So they shot everybody winning.

[01:08:47] And you don't know until it airs who won.

[01:08:49] Oh, yeah, I would just keep that.

[01:08:52] Can I have the tape of me winning?

[01:08:54] That's what I would show my friends.

[01:08:56] Yes. It's never on.

[01:08:58] Go to scene mode, activate winning.

[01:09:03] I think by the end of the series, though,

[01:09:04] there's not supposed to be a character you really dislike,

[01:09:07] like except for maybe Cavill, right?

[01:09:10] But even Cavill, you can be a little sympathetic towards

[01:09:13] because here he's created and he could be this perfect being.

[01:09:16] And they decide to make him human.

[01:09:18] Like, I get it.

[01:09:19] I get it. I'd be a little pissed too.

[01:09:21] But like Cavill's Hitler.

[01:09:23] No, I think it's hard.

[01:09:25] I think it's hard.

[01:09:28] If you have like a bad relationship with religion in general,

[01:09:31] then it's really hard to give any sort of leeway to this character.

[01:09:35] Yeah, that's right on.

[01:09:39] I agree with that.

[01:09:40] That's the like Cavalier's Hades versus like the Zeus that you get from Thai.

[01:09:46] Like he's kind of like the ostracized outcast, like he's because Hades

[01:09:51] is the eldest brother even in Greek mythology and stuff.

[01:09:53] But it's his baby brother, Zeus, that is in charge of everything.

[01:09:55] And like he he gets usurped from.

[01:09:58] OK, so then who's the Leroy Jenkins of the team?

[01:10:01] If it's not data.

[01:10:02] Starbuck. Yeah.

[01:10:04] Starbuck brought a lot to the show.

[01:10:06] I know that next round number 600 to one.

[01:10:08] Bitch is already out there.

[01:10:10] Around with guns and underwear.

[01:10:11] Yeah, and so does everybody else.

[01:10:14] So if anyone is going to yell their name in charge into battle,

[01:10:17] it is going to be Starbuck.

[01:10:18] Yeah, I didn't think that was an insult.

[01:10:21] That was confident.

[01:10:22] Oh, right. Jenkins is a hero among men.

[01:10:25] Yeah, no.

[01:10:27] Leroy is me.

[01:10:29] Say right.

[01:10:30] I see.

[01:10:31] Actually, to like put some nuance on it,

[01:10:35] probably bolt eyes to Leroy Jenkins.

[01:10:37] There is the one that's created.

[01:10:39] Again, I think all of the mistakes causing all the problems.

[01:10:42] He's the one who gives the codes and like gives away like everything.

[01:10:46] He's a little squirrely though.

[01:10:49] He's always thinking he's never going to shout that from the rooftop.

[01:10:52] I love how he kills his aid while the Cylons are forcing him.

[01:10:56] He's like, you've got to make a choice.

[01:10:57] Oh, no, I don't want to do that.

[01:10:58] Oh, it's better.

[01:11:00] Oh, yeah. He needs a test tube.

[01:11:04] Here's a chance for you.

[01:11:05] If we were to do a proper new version of this,

[01:11:07] we've talked about this many times before.

[01:11:09] Don't reboot it.

[01:11:10] Just do a different version of it.

[01:11:12] Who would you cast Edward James almost?

[01:11:14] No. Yeah, it's hard to think about James almost as Edward James almost.

[01:11:18] In the end, we're going to do like an all of time and space recast

[01:11:21] or we have to grab today.

[01:11:23] I just let's go with current stuff stuff that it doesn't.

[01:11:27] Let's just say you have plenty of money.

[01:11:28] It's crowdfunded.

[01:11:29] We don't have to worry.

[01:11:30] I want Tom Cruise to be Baltar.

[01:11:34] To be a topology connection.

[01:11:36] I know what did you do?

[01:11:38] Like you've seen him in collateral.

[01:11:39] Him as a villain is.

[01:11:40] I will. Yeah, he's I think.

[01:11:42] Under more of a Trump.

[01:11:44] Thunder.

[01:11:44] There you go.

[01:11:46] I did it.

[01:11:47] You couldn't be asshole.

[01:11:48] He can't run around, though.

[01:11:49] He just has to be.

[01:11:51] No, no, that's that's a writer.

[01:11:54] He has to.

[01:11:55] Yeah, yeah.

[01:11:55] There's no motorcycles.

[01:11:57] They'll give them a.

[01:11:58] Run.

[01:11:59] OK, perfect.

[01:11:59] I'll take that.

[01:12:00] He's on the treadmill.

[01:12:01] OK.

[01:12:04] They'll just run back and forth up the launch bay.

[01:12:05] That's it.

[01:12:06] It's when you do this sort of impossible war thing.

[01:12:10] And he has to have his tropics.

[01:12:12] I will fuck you.

[01:12:13] Tomorrow's awesome.

[01:12:15] Would you keep Starbuck as a woman?

[01:12:18] I think so.

[01:12:19] I think, yeah, I would.

[01:12:20] Yeah, I kind of think it depends on.

[01:12:22] I think it depends on the dynamic that you're just trying to build on the cat.

[01:12:25] I was there being two Starbucks.

[01:12:26] How would they be twins?

[01:12:27] One guy, one girl stars.

[01:12:29] But they're kicking ass.

[01:12:29] Our father, daughter, buck.

[01:12:31] Oh, there you go.

[01:12:32] Oh, there we go.

[01:12:33] See now,

[01:12:35] I'm coming to NBC this.

[01:12:38] Twin Starbucks.

[01:12:39] Now we're it's an anime is what I kind of want to hear.

[01:12:42] You know, female gas system.

[01:12:43] Make nerds.

[01:12:45] Now it is an anime, but everyone's going to watch.

[01:12:47] That'd be good, too.

[01:12:49] I would actually love to see a reboot with an anime from the creators.

[01:12:53] Of course, plus got them all anime character.

[01:12:57] That would be so cool.

[01:12:58] It would be that would be interesting.

[01:13:01] I could see it like as a cowboy bebop kind of like, OK, I'll follow your lead.

[01:13:05] So from the right.

[01:13:06] Even for the voices and Apple seed.

[01:13:10] Yeah, it'd be interesting seeing the voices.

[01:13:12] In fact, yes, animation would actually make.

[01:13:13] And it would give you yeah, it would give you like so much freedom

[01:13:17] with the pylons and the world building and the yes,

[01:13:21] you wouldn't have the budgetary constraints, the budgetary exactly.

[01:13:27] Somebody call Peacock right now.

[01:13:29] And then you get a D.

[01:13:31] Bradley Baker to voice all of the silence because.

[01:13:33] Yeah, he got like even the women.

[01:13:36] God on the field community.

[01:13:38] You know what he does?

[01:13:39] Taylor, J.K. Simmons.

[01:13:41] Yeah, just about you know, Babylon five just did a movie.

[01:13:45] That was so good. So much fun.

[01:13:48] I kind of love the voiceover too.

[01:13:50] She does like a reboot from the silence perspective, like

[01:13:53] they show them the initial like wicked and all those other ones.

[01:13:57] We just saw like a day.

[01:13:59] Yeah.

[01:14:00] Well, like wake up and be human and look like they're like,

[01:14:05] dude, looks like a sad.

[01:14:07] They're like, who am I?

[01:14:09] Why are there?

[01:14:10] You show all their mistreatment by humans.

[01:14:12] And then you're really on your side.

[01:14:15] Literally.

[01:14:15] And one of the.

[01:14:17] Like what kind of did that with horrible.

[01:14:20] They kind of did do that on there.

[01:14:21] Yeah, just with more fart noises.

[01:14:23] But yeah, same thing.

[01:14:25] Yeah.

[01:14:26] But you know, the silence are technically up until,

[01:14:29] you know, the genocide part are sympathetic.

[01:14:31] It's a bad point.

[01:14:32] The genocide.

[01:14:34] OK, you sound like that.

[01:14:36] That little catch.

[01:14:37] That whole thing.

[01:14:38] Swings around about it.

[01:14:40] I know the first war the humans started because they were threatened by them.

[01:14:44] Right. Yeah.

[01:14:45] So like really the silence.

[01:14:47] OK, so I'm going to cut you off.

[01:14:49] You're doing what you do with your spoover.

[01:14:51] So look at this on his.

[01:14:53] Just saying.

[01:14:55] And counterpoint.

[01:14:56] It's like saying Germany had the trains running on time up until the dress.

[01:15:00] Was it like a fight?

[01:15:03] I mean, if you can look past everything they did in the world war two,

[01:15:06] they have the outfits.

[01:15:08] You take this.

[01:15:09] What if you take genocide out of the equation?

[01:15:11] I mean, what did they do?

[01:15:13] They gave us the Volkswagen bug.

[01:15:15] Yeah.

[01:15:17] I mean, I'm not talking about the Germans, people.

[01:15:21] I'm talking about silence.

[01:15:24] But just so you guys know, it's just I'm calling time here.

[01:15:27] Nick does this funny thing where he and his co-hosts give each other

[01:15:31] flak for liking certain directors and claiming they're better than the others.

[01:15:35] And then they spend the rest of the episode before they even get to describing

[01:15:39] what they're reviewing and saying, no, no, no, Scorsese or Spielberg or Ron Howard.

[01:15:43] No, these guys are better than that.

[01:15:44] It's like they're doing their own little bracket game.

[01:15:46] Yeah, we do.

[01:15:48] I feel like you're doing that here now.

[01:15:49] Who's the bastard?

[01:15:50] Who's less of a bastard?

[01:15:52] I all the time, man.

[01:15:54] That's what makes this show so great.

[01:15:55] It's like there's no great.

[01:15:57] He's tolerating.

[01:15:58] Everyone's kind of a dirtbag.

[01:15:59] Minus Hilo.

[01:16:01] He was the only one I think.

[01:16:03] He's kind of the only dude that's like.

[01:16:04] The Boy Scout. Yeah.

[01:16:06] Yeah.

[01:16:08] He does have like on a scale of like normal people.

[01:16:11] He's not brilliant.

[01:16:12] But in the context of like the whole cast, he is by far the best here.

[01:16:16] Yeah, I mean, he never loses his moral compass.

[01:16:19] The whole thing from the very beginning, he gives up his seat for.

[01:16:23] He's emotionally grounded.

[01:16:24] The entire show is simple, but a dude first one to see the silo

[01:16:28] just like people that shouldn't be treated like garbage. Right.

[01:16:32] Oh yeah. Yeah, sure.

[01:16:33] Shares his radiation.

[01:16:36] I mean, he fell in love with the silent.

[01:16:38] And what a perfect character to raise the future of humanity. Right.

[01:16:41] And you're a beautiful, simple man.

[01:16:44] He's a good dad.

[01:16:45] He's a good he's a good dude.

[01:16:48] He's he's a dude that'll come help you help you lay sod in your yard.

[01:16:52] He'll invite you over from the memorial.

[01:16:54] How do you move? You don't need beer and pizza.

[01:16:56] He doesn't care.

[01:16:56] Don't you love how he was a good dude?

[01:16:59] Don't you like he's going to jump your car when it's broken down?

[01:17:01] Like, you know, you want remember when they're doing the planet

[01:17:04] siege episode, he's right.

[01:17:06] He's right by Sam Ray to go and, you know, do an extraction.

[01:17:09] And he's like, oh, can we proceed yet?

[01:17:12] Because the Dalma juniors, you know, Lee is preventing us from going forward.

[01:17:17] What's your order, Sam?

[01:17:20] He's speaking of some, actually, he's probably like,

[01:17:22] like I don't think he has too much terrible about him either.

[01:17:25] Samuel T.

[01:17:26] Anders, like the yeah, kind of.

[01:17:29] Yeah, like a store brand, like Walmart brand Apollo.

[01:17:32] Because don't you love how?

[01:17:33] What about Apollo?

[01:17:35] Don't you love how?

[01:17:36] I want in the end, they just shave his head and throw him in a tub at the end.

[01:17:40] Yeah, it was really messed up.

[01:17:41] But I love how.

[01:17:43] He finds out he's a silent and then all these other people,

[01:17:46] you know, including Starbucks are like, if you were ever one of them,

[01:17:49] I'd kill you.

[01:17:49] And then she finds out she's one as well.

[01:17:52] He's like, I'm still here.

[01:17:54] So that was a great moment.

[01:17:56] You know, he's one of the only characters I never really got attached to.

[01:18:00] Like, he never did it for me.

[01:18:02] He never.

[01:18:03] But he said there was just something about I could take him or leave him.

[01:18:05] Always. I wanted his muscles.

[01:18:07] I'm sorry.

[01:18:08] I mean, obviously.

[01:18:11] But he's a cool hunk. He wasn't a dumb.

[01:18:14] Well, now, so.

[01:18:18] How does the silent sex thing work?

[01:18:22] Oh, I know.

[01:18:25] Holy shit, that was quick.

[01:18:27] Because much like it was somewhere else.

[01:18:28] She's been waiting for that question from last night.

[01:18:31] Please somebody ask about silence.

[01:18:32] Please somebody ask about silence.

[01:18:33] Their climes glow red when they're climaxing.

[01:18:36] And that's how you get them.

[01:18:37] Clives already left. He's like, no.

[01:18:39] Nobody's ever had sex with the silent doggy style because there's

[01:18:43] their spines glowing red.

[01:18:45] Did they get rid of that red, glowy thing?

[01:18:47] Like they just.

[01:18:49] There's a scene with now we really got an explicit radio.

[01:18:52] That's called a glow plug. Yeah.

[01:18:56] That is a big plot hole, because do we honestly believe

[01:18:59] that Baltard doesn't just came back and is like, what the fuck are we talking about?

[01:19:03] Yeah. Oh, yeah, he's got them everywhere.

[01:19:06] Aaron's. Oh, yeah.

[01:19:08] We always said that should be the real side.

[01:19:10] I mean, that like he's going to watch later. Yeah.

[01:19:15] So I guess it kind of answered it.

[01:19:16] I'm not I'm going to move on.

[01:19:21] Want to hear more?

[01:19:22] Listen to the only fans portion that doesn't exist.

[01:19:25] Mm hmm. What was the chief's name?

[01:19:28] Terrell. Oh, yeah. Terrell. Yeah.

[01:19:30] Oh, man, there was all the kinds of weird stuff going on with him.

[01:19:34] And when he finds out that the reporter

[01:19:35] gal who was part of Rosalyn staff, you know, has killed his wife.

[01:19:40] He's like, oh, I'm going to fucking kill you.

[01:19:43] You know, he's kind of he's in a way he's kind of like

[01:19:47] Star Lord in Avengers Infinity War.

[01:19:51] If he would have just chilled out for like two seconds, like that.

[01:19:53] We take a breath, dude.

[01:19:55] Take a breath.

[01:19:56] And isn't it funny how despite everyone's anger reactions,

[01:20:00] I don't think I heard anyone use the dreaded calm down.

[01:20:03] That's a little too late.

[01:20:05] He snapped her neck, basically. Right.

[01:20:07] But it's interesting how, you know, calm down always has the opposite effect

[01:20:11] that loses everyone's trust.

[01:20:14] Yeah. It makes me go, oh, so they got me crazy person.

[01:20:17] You want me to shut the fuck up instead of you double down immediately.

[01:20:22] And I don't think anyone does this in this show.

[01:20:23] They're all kind of like, hey, listening or hey, what's wrong?

[01:20:28] Or I think I think they've learned

[01:20:30] just how to question.

[01:20:32] All right, that's true.

[01:20:34] Everyone's having insomnia on this.

[01:20:36] This is for sure.

[01:20:38] Well, and Tyrell has this tendency to sleepwalk and beat the crap out of you.

[01:20:41] So you don't want to make a memory.

[01:20:44] That too.

[01:20:46] That was a good if he does that to me, I'm going to end up

[01:20:48] falling in love with him and getting married, obviously,

[01:20:50] because that's what happened in the show.

[01:20:51] So I just hope you don't smell like cabbage.

[01:20:55] Oh, can't promise that. Yeah.

[01:20:58] Oh, man.

[01:20:59] What a diss by him to write.

[01:21:01] Oh, cabbage patch.

[01:21:03] Yeah. Oh, man.

[01:21:05] It reminds me of you guys are going into your review in Taika with T.D.

[01:21:09] If you ever do Reservation Dogs, start doing a counter on how many times

[01:21:13] the deputies call each other shit ass.

[01:21:17] It's a hysterical and just insult.

[01:21:19] It's a great show, but it's just funny how

[01:21:22] it's that one, the one one in particular.

[01:21:25] Right. But it's just a funny.

[01:21:27] Also, all the Willow references are amazing.

[01:21:30] That is so many.

[01:21:31] Board reference. There's a Lost Boys reference.

[01:21:33] But yeah, just I love how you guys talked about the insults on this show earlier.

[01:21:38] They are the perfect definition of an insult.

[01:21:40] It's half of it doesn't make sense.

[01:21:42] And at the same time, it gets you under your gets under your skin.

[01:21:45] Yeah, there's I think the only other one I thought that is good,

[01:21:49] because even like from outside, I knew fracking is smeg from Red Dwarf.

[01:21:54] Oh, smeg. Yeah.

[01:21:56] It's like, you know, I got it.

[01:21:58] Like, and it's like the only one I can think of where they did it as well.

[01:22:02] You know? No, that's true.

[01:22:03] A fictional insult.

[01:22:04] No, that's a real thing.

[01:22:06] No, that's a real one.

[01:22:07] It is. Well, we will not Google it.

[01:22:10] We're not going to be happy about it.

[01:22:11] I'm Googling it.

[01:22:12] I'm not going to be.

[01:22:13] I know what it is.

[01:22:13] I don't think we do that.

[01:22:15] But I don't think they knew that at the time because they

[01:22:18] I think I started. I don't know.

[01:22:19] They're English.

[01:22:21] I think they do.

[01:22:22] I think they do.

[01:22:24] I'm pretty sure they do.

[01:22:26] There's a company now that makes...

[01:22:27] I think it was like a little John Skeet skeet thing

[01:22:28] where people didn't know what it meant and they just could get away with it.

[01:22:33] The sensors didn't know what it meant so they just let it go.

[01:22:35] No, that's a good point, Josh.

[01:22:38] And I'm like, there's no way they don't know.

[01:22:40] You'll see it in hotels and stuff.

[01:22:42] So yeah, that's a good point, because not everybody has the...

[01:22:46] There's having the guts to do it and then knowing how to do it

[01:22:49] to where people will laugh one way or the other.

[01:22:52] And I think that's...

[01:22:55] I'd give anyone any of those props because I couldn't do it.

[01:22:57] I would back down.

[01:22:58] I'd be like, I don't want to deal with people taking it out of context.

[01:23:04] That's the best.

[01:23:06] But yeah, it is it is an impossibly hard thing to do.

[01:23:08] And it's been going around forever in sci-fi is to go like words

[01:23:14] to bring in words and make them sound like, OK, you know, like

[01:23:17] we mentioned they would always just throw in, oh, that guy's, you know,

[01:23:20] a nerf herder and say, OK, that's up for debate.

[01:23:23] That insult. It's so great.

[01:23:25] It just sounds racist to do it well as per Firefly.

[01:23:28] They just brought in Mandarin.

[01:23:30] Yeah, that's everything.

[01:23:32] That's so true.

[01:23:33] Yeah. What is it?

[01:23:34] What's the insult that Louis Gossett, Junior's alien character

[01:23:37] calls Dennis Quaid and enemy mine?

[01:23:39] Enemy mind. Oh, that's such a great movie.

[01:23:43] It is a great movie.

[01:23:45] That movie costs like 40 million dollars.

[01:23:47] It's called like Mickey Mouse.

[01:23:49] It's two people in a room.

[01:23:50] He does.

[01:23:51] He insults Mickey because he tells him because yeah,

[01:23:54] Mickey Mouse is one of the great philosophers.

[01:23:56] Yeah, finally, he insults, he insults Mickey Mouse.

[01:23:59] Suck at Disney.

[01:24:00] And yeah, right.

[01:24:00] And then Mickey says one back that back.

[01:24:03] You're one big stupid dope.

[01:24:06] Yeah. You're like, what?

[01:24:09] I mean, stupid, dope, stupid, dope.

[01:24:12] I mean, it's not like it's not like in Avengers when

[01:24:14] when Tom Hiddleston stuck Quim in and nobody.

[01:24:19] So yeah, that was intense.

[01:24:21] But that's a little different.

[01:24:22] It's you know, five percent of Americans were going to get that.

[01:24:27] And it was the five percent that watched Benny Hill in the 70s.

[01:24:32] So yeah, so they came out with that.

[01:24:35] I'm like, they did not just let that.

[01:24:37] I mean, I had to do a similar thing when Gremlins came out

[01:24:39] and I'm like, they're calling Gizmo Kaka.

[01:24:42] So they're saying he's shit.

[01:24:43] Is that what they're saying?

[01:24:44] OK, well, that's what you say when you put water on him

[01:24:47] and feed me like, oh, shit.

[01:24:51] They just they just shorten it

[01:24:53] because eventually you're going to say shit if you own one of those.

[01:24:57] Shit fuck.

[01:24:57] God damn.

[01:24:58] As my grandfather in the Air Force used to say in that order.

[01:25:02] I have got damn.

[01:25:03] I have I have a I have a list of ones that I whip out when I need to use them.

[01:25:09] Yeah. And when you got to use it, you got to use it.

[01:25:12] I think I was close to 10 words strung together.

[01:25:16] Really?

[01:25:16] As a kid. Yeah, it's Jesus H baldheaded Christ and 10 other men.

[01:25:20] So yeah, I know, right?

[01:25:22] You really you really need that is amazing because you have to commit

[01:25:26] to getting that out.

[01:25:27] Oh, man.

[01:25:28] So you were doing that.

[01:25:29] You had a full breath before you.

[01:25:31] Yeah. Oh, you're saving it because because you've reached a point

[01:25:34] where you're just trying not to yell at someone who can't.

[01:25:37] So you're just like.

[01:25:39] And then you have a couple of my airmen caught that one.

[01:25:42] Well, so before everyone goes,

[01:25:44] what did you think of the cover of Hendrix All Above the Watchtower?

[01:25:49] Oh, you know, it's all on the watch tower.

[01:25:51] Yeah, sorry. Yeah.

[01:25:52] He's right. No, no, no, you're right.

[01:25:54] It's Hendrix's cover of the original Dylan,

[01:25:58] which Dylan considers to be the definitive version and will not play.

[01:26:02] I oh wow.

[01:26:04] I will recommend that you go listen to Frank Marino's cover

[01:26:07] of all along the watchtower.

[01:26:08] Barry McCreary, he did.

[01:26:09] There was an instrumentals that kind of enjoyed that one a lot too.

[01:26:13] Yep. I love the whole.

[01:26:15] Matthews band as well.

[01:26:16] I heard, but I hate you heard for the.

[01:26:19] That's because you heard for the last two minutes.

[01:26:23] Yeah. Yeah.

[01:26:24] Burn a band of burn out.

[01:26:26] Watchtower.

[01:26:27] I think you have a.

[01:26:31] I'm just glad there's not a moment where they play

[01:26:33] with the bodies at the floor.

[01:26:36] They do that in a stock.

[01:26:37] I disagree. Yeah.

[01:26:38] What was the story episode of Stargate where it's Vegas,

[01:26:42] which is technically the ninety nine.

[01:26:44] Oh, that's right.

[01:26:45] Like the special and there's a race in Las Vegas.

[01:26:48] And that's what I want to look like a Gotham.

[01:26:51] Let the hot bodies at the post by.

[01:26:52] I played drowning.

[01:26:53] Is it along the watchtower that they play?

[01:26:56] I mean, there's a song that is a song that activates the silence,

[01:26:59] which is brilliant.

[01:27:00] Like the whole ties is in the fracking ship sequence.

[01:27:04] But the the fact that like they play this instrumental

[01:27:07] and it's the one that Starbucks been playing on the piano as well.

[01:27:10] Like the way that that looks.

[01:27:11] We give it the feather when the silence got activated,

[01:27:15] they say the lyrics and that's when you realize that's what song it is.

[01:27:18] And the lyrics are they were doing it before Siri.

[01:27:22] Yeah. And it's like appropriate for the situation

[01:27:25] that the character is in at the time as well.

[01:27:27] So like I like to give all of the watchtower

[01:27:31] was that the I'm having a complete blank on names now,

[01:27:34] but the one who was on Star Trek Discovery,

[01:27:37] like one of the final five, I can't think of the characters name.

[01:27:39] I yeah, yeah.

[01:27:41] The the Middle Eastern.

[01:27:43] Yeah. Well, like, like she's like throwing up in the toilet or something.

[01:27:47] And she's like, I can't get no relief.

[01:27:49] And just like all like the way that the lyrics is like,

[01:27:52] yeah, no, that's true.

[01:27:53] Yeah. And then and then when they're all sat at the bar

[01:27:57] and Starbucks hallucinating a dad or whatever.

[01:28:01] And she's figuring out the piano that was like the signal

[01:28:04] that she got translate transmitted.

[01:28:06] And then like the final

[01:28:08] or four of the final five of us at the bar.

[01:28:10] And they're like, oh, shit, that's that's why is she playing our song?

[01:28:13] Well, I love the way that they they were in

[01:28:15] because the mystery of it being a real world thing.

[01:28:18] And you're like, well, how how does that song exist?

[01:28:20] And the fact that the composer was actually playing that there.

[01:28:23] Like they had to strategically cut him out of the shots

[01:28:26] to different angles just so focus on her.

[01:28:28] And I mean, Bibi and Jason talked about in the trivia.

[01:28:31] But I do find it interesting because most movies and shows,

[01:28:35] you know, I've been I've done extra work.

[01:28:37] Usually they will just keep you isolated.

[01:28:39] And sometimes they'll play songs, but.

[01:28:42] They just want to cut to B roll, you know,

[01:28:45] and so it is interesting when you get people behind the scenes.

[01:28:48] Yeah, just behind the scenes and they're actually on set filming

[01:28:51] so that the moment registers the way it's meant to be in the editing room.

[01:28:56] I love this discussion.

[01:28:57] No one ever talked about the amazing soundtrack, though.

[01:29:00] You know, you know, we just have Bear McQuarrie's mentioned,

[01:29:03] but you know, the song for the Battlestar Galactica,

[01:29:06] the grand old lady like that flute tune

[01:29:10] gave us laments that he has like so underrated.

[01:29:13] Yeah, the original being worked in is the national anthem as well.

[01:29:16] Yes. The doing great works on the Lord of the Rings show.

[01:29:20] He is perfectly doing a tribute to Howard Shore while doing his own thing

[01:29:24] that he's done on this Terminator show.

[01:29:27] Outlander does the God of War games as well.

[01:29:30] He's done that gets a lot of work now.

[01:29:32] Yeah. Yeah, yeah. He gets a lot of work.

[01:29:35] I mean, the sound effects in the space battles.

[01:29:37] I love to fully work on that.

[01:29:40] It's just so good.

[01:29:41] So you hear the guns reverberating through the ship rather than from.

[01:29:45] Yeah. Yeah.

[01:29:46] Yes. That feels so right.

[01:29:49] Yeah. The film is static.

[01:29:51] Yeah. You want one of the favorite moments that I've got noted down.

[01:29:55] It's like the we didn't even mention the Adama maneuver.

[01:29:59] The like dropping. Yeah.

[01:30:01] By present jumping away.

[01:30:02] It's the it's the bit after that where they get surrounded by the four

[01:30:06] base stars and the camera pans back and it just goes into it,

[01:30:10] just fades into silence.

[01:30:11] And then all of a sudden the rocket come in from Pegasus

[01:30:15] and they just charge like the full batteries and starts taking things out.

[01:30:18] Like the way that the sound is so good.

[01:30:20] It's just yeah, I love it.

[01:30:21] Yeah. I don't know how they did it.

[01:30:23] I wish they had some feature ads on how they created that sound

[01:30:26] because the silence don't sound like just a, you know, Terminator

[01:30:30] Skynet knockoff, although I do think they're related

[01:30:32] because of the alien blade.

[01:30:33] It's familiar, but unique at the same time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:30:39] Hmm.

[01:30:40] The crossover we haven't mentioned in the shared universe thing is how does

[01:30:44] how does Knight Rider tie in with the silence?

[01:30:47] It's got the red switching light on the front.

[01:30:48] Yeah. Oh, my God.

[01:30:50] I didn't want to go there.

[01:30:51] Yeah, it does. Thank you.

[01:30:53] I've always thought that since first see a Knight Rider.

[01:30:57] Yeah.

[01:30:57] Yeah, I mean, it's sort of final form.

[01:31:01] Yeah. Especially the transformer to answer your question.

[01:31:05] So it was like the Skynet for the silence.

[01:31:09] There's no infrared.

[01:31:11] Yeah, they're tired of having humans like tell them what to do.

[01:31:14] They're tired of being like to take me here.

[01:31:18] Well, I'd be tired of him too.

[01:31:20] You know, Glenn, I'm doing the backseat would be like,

[01:31:23] yeah, fix Terminator humans.

[01:31:25] The battle started like, you know,

[01:31:26] it's things Glenn Larson was involved with battle start galactic.

[01:31:30] I'm wondering, was he involved with Knight Rider?

[01:31:34] Does anyone know?

[01:31:36] Looking honestly think it was done that way.

[01:31:39] A Knight Rider just because the time.

[01:31:41] Yes, yes, he was.

[01:31:43] Yeah, and he was and

[01:31:47] and Stephen into so is that who created this whole Val Verde

[01:31:49] wrote a bunch of those.

[01:31:50] So yeah, yeah.

[01:31:51] Maybe you're on some right.

[01:31:53] Yeah, maybe they like that look of that.

[01:31:56] You're pulsating on what a connection cinematic universe

[01:32:00] is the metal body is a life.

[01:32:04] Yeah, yes.

[01:32:05] Instead of just and it is weird.

[01:32:07] It's like, you know, it's CGI, but not to the point

[01:32:09] where it doesn't tell the story.

[01:32:10] And I think that is people should look at that

[01:32:13] because we see other shows where the CGI just takes us out of it

[01:32:16] just because it just doesn't look done.

[01:32:18] You know, well, that was TV CGI back then.

[01:32:21] I know. But still, I mean, looking at it here on this blu ray,

[01:32:25] it was just more interesting to me just how it told the basics

[01:32:30] instead of it showed it when it needed to show.

[01:32:33] It's not to the point where it was a smart move

[01:32:35] making the main silence humans.

[01:32:38] Yeah, and like you say, the sound editing and plot twist.

[01:32:42] But it's not like Babylon five where you'll like this.

[01:32:46] It's going to it's going to be a while before you can get past

[01:32:49] the 90s CD-ROM graphics.

[01:32:51] Yeah, and I'm going to have to jump off here in a minute.

[01:32:54] But can we at least acknowledge that this was a sci fi show?

[01:32:58] And yeah, at one point. Yes.

[01:33:00] When that channel is not anything sci fi is not.

[01:33:04] That's why they wanted it to die because it made all their other stuff

[01:33:07] and shows are terrible terrible.

[01:33:10] They pulled a Roger Corbin where they're like,

[01:33:12] we can't use this footage. It's too good. Yeah.

[01:33:16] But yeah, that's a good point.

[01:33:17] I mean, everyone expected it to be garbage because it was on sci fi.

[01:33:21] It was Canadian. Yeah, it can't be good.

[01:33:25] It was co-made with Sky in the UK as well.

[01:33:27] It's one of the there were quite a few shows around then that were.

[01:33:30] So isn't that wild how Sky played the first season

[01:33:34] then didn't revisit it?

[01:33:36] But I mean, Jason and BB pointed it out.

[01:33:38] It's so rare for a show

[01:33:40] that's an American Canadian production to air in the UK first

[01:33:43] and then here in the States. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:33:45] I don't think they would do that nowadays, unless I'm mistaken.

[01:33:48] We don't even get them at all at this point.

[01:33:50] So yeah, yeah.

[01:33:52] What the hell is going on here?

[01:33:55] Crazy.

[01:33:56] So I'm going to let everybody promote some of their stuff.

[01:33:59] Mark, what do you got on the visually stunning?

[01:34:02] The visually stunning movie podcast.

[01:34:04] Well, you know, we're in movie season, which is great.

[01:34:07] So we have lots of new releases.

[01:34:09] I don't know when this is actually going to drop for you summer.

[01:34:12] Summer summer.

[01:34:13] So yeah, so we've been through most of the good stuff.

[01:34:15] Dude is out.

[01:34:17] You know, Deadpool might be out by the time

[01:34:19] by the time this episode's dropped.

[01:34:20] This is what doesn't anymore.

[01:34:21] We needed a dead.

[01:34:23] So I hope so.

[01:34:24] I'm fingers crossed.

[01:34:26] I I like I love Deadpool.

[01:34:30] I'm hoping that they don't that Disney doesn't screw it up,

[01:34:34] even though they said it's going to be rated R

[01:34:36] because it can be rated R and suck.

[01:34:38] But that's true.

[01:34:39] That's my tangent for a second.

[01:34:40] No, I got it.

[01:34:41] You can be rated R, but the script still bad.

[01:34:43] But if the script is still bad, that's right.

[01:34:45] And if they let Ryan Reynolds run to free

[01:34:48] like they did with Taika in Love and Thunder,

[01:34:51] they let him just a little too free.

[01:34:54] Oh, yeah.

[01:34:55] So yeah, no, it's great.

[01:34:56] It's movie season. I love it.

[01:34:58] I love it to death. I love watching them.

[01:34:59] I love talking about them.

[01:35:00] It's just it's just fantastic.

[01:35:03] And a quick musical tangent.

[01:35:04] So we do know without this new dune, you probably would have.

[01:35:08] That is actually true.

[01:35:10] If you go, if you watch,

[01:35:12] you guys will have watched Kung Fu Panda 4 by now.

[01:35:14] If you have kids by the time this this airs, there's a great Asian.

[01:35:18] There's an Asian instrumental cover of Crazy Train.

[01:35:23] No. Yes.

[01:35:25] One of the few bright spots, actually.

[01:35:27] Well, that actually sounds interesting.

[01:35:28] Yeah, I'm sorry.

[01:35:29] I will watch it for just that now.

[01:35:31] I don't have it.

[01:35:32] It's in a chase.

[01:35:33] BB's like, it's in a chase scene.

[01:35:36] So it does make sense.

[01:35:38] I guess I'm buying that this weekend.

[01:35:40] Perfect.

[01:35:44] Jason and BB, would you care to promote what's coming up on the show next?

[01:35:49] You're doing our flag means death.

[01:35:51] Speaking of Taika and Jason, if you want to promote your documentary,

[01:35:54] it looks like you're giving a really great voice to victims.

[01:35:58] Yeah. So on the podcast, like you said, we're doing our flag means death.

[01:36:02] And that's only 18 episodes.

[01:36:04] We'll get through that fairly quickly.

[01:36:06] And then we've talked about doing some other shows

[01:36:10] that we've mentioned here, like Firefly and The Expanse or something like that.

[01:36:17] At some point, we're going to circle back and cover Caprica

[01:36:20] and Blood and Chrome as well, which I've seen before.

[01:36:23] BB has not seen them.

[01:36:25] BB is like, don't drag me through hell.

[01:36:27] Please don't drag me through hell.

[01:36:29] I'll take an excuse to rewind.

[01:36:30] I know I'm just playing around.

[01:36:32] I like I like watching shows and I'm

[01:36:35] I'm really looking forward to exploring new genres and different

[01:36:40] universes. Yeah, it's exciting as possible.

[01:36:44] So check out our podcast

[01:36:47] and let us know what you think we should listen to.

[01:36:51] Sure. Watch.

[01:36:52] I mean, we've also we've slowly been watching Star Trek for the first time.

[01:36:56] So we've been through the original series next generation.

[01:36:59] So we're almost going for next.

[01:37:01] And he's introducing the crew.

[01:37:02] And it's so funny how some of them are like, fuck this.

[01:37:05] Oh, I got better.

[01:37:06] Fuck this.

[01:37:07] Like it's the third season.

[01:37:09] So you're trying to chronological.

[01:37:11] I guess you should start with enterprise.

[01:37:13] Oh, center on release order always release.

[01:37:18] Getting from there to enterprise.

[01:37:21] Then we're talking about that.

[01:37:23] Yeah.

[01:37:26] Then you'll wonder who is that guy?

[01:37:28] Is that Riker and Troy?

[01:37:29] I haven't seen next year.

[01:37:30] No.

[01:37:32] Oh, that's awesome.

[01:37:34] So, Jason, when is your documentary coming out?

[01:37:37] I don't have a release date for you.

[01:37:39] It's something that's been it's been a long time.

[01:37:41] Passion projects been almost 10 years.

[01:37:43] It's been if you ever want me to link it.

[01:37:45] I know. I know you say it's heavy, but you know what's it done.

[01:37:50] It's so it's it's

[01:37:52] it's called Not My Father's Child, and it's about like child abuse

[01:37:56] and religious indoctrination and centers around the Westboro Baptist

[01:37:59] Church in Topeka, Kansas under Fred Phelps.

[01:38:02] And it's so all of them visit and say, stop that shit.

[01:38:08] They won't listen.

[01:38:10] You know, I was people even

[01:38:14] if anyone's unfamiliar with them, they're the church that protests

[01:38:17] that like funerals and God hates fags and yeah, they're like the worst.

[01:38:21] Yeah, the worst people you can think of.

[01:38:23] So Fred Phelps had 13 children.

[01:38:27] And so our story is about three of the children

[01:38:30] that left the church when they turned 18.

[01:38:34] And then they went on to, you know,

[01:38:37] try to recover from their trauma, basically.

[01:38:38] So it's very heavy, but it's also very hopeful in the end.

[01:38:42] Oh, no, that I'd love to check that out.

[01:38:44] Yeah, let's give you a round of a.

[01:38:45] I would love to check it out.

[01:38:46] What was the name of it again?

[01:38:48] Well, not my father's child.

[01:38:50] So we got some some clips on YouTube if you look that up.

[01:38:53] Congratulations. That's Twitter and stuff.

[01:38:55] That's not easy to tell. So kudos. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:38:59] No, that's awesome.

[01:39:02] Well, not awesome, but it's very important and well thought out.

[01:39:05] No, that's good.

[01:39:09] OK, so Nick, keep up with the Kardashians once you go through.

[01:39:12] Yeah, Jen, what?

[01:39:14] Yeah, we're working our way through next generation.

[01:39:16] We started with these space nine that we did battles.

[01:39:20] Now we're doing next generation.

[01:39:21] I told the guys we needed a palate cleanser.

[01:39:23] You can't go with from DS nine to next generation right away

[01:39:26] because the quality decrease is pretty significant in the first season.

[01:39:31] But anyways, by the time this airs, we'll probably be in the second season

[01:39:35] of Next Generation and our goal is to get Will back on the show and and John

[01:39:41] John Frank. Well, I got him.

[01:39:43] You know, it's really Johnny Frank.

[01:39:46] Yeah, well, we didn't.

[01:39:48] Yeah, well, we didn't.

[01:39:49] John Frank's. Yeah. So they've been on the show before.

[01:39:51] So hopefully by this time, I can say they've been on again.

[01:39:55] So tune in. We should have them.

[01:39:57] I just went through the newer outer limits and I saw

[01:40:02] well, we didn't want that was a.

[01:40:04] Yeah. Oh, I like that one.

[01:40:06] That was really is so twisted.

[01:40:08] Evil Robert Patrick.

[01:40:11] Josh Hanson, when is comic book and Action Book Club coming back?

[01:40:15] We're taking a little break on the comic, but actually the club

[01:40:18] is back the last couple of episodes did Starship Troopers and

[01:40:23] an upgrade upgrades.

[01:40:24] Fantastic. You want to plug?

[01:40:27] Yeah, we'll be doing we'll be doing the first Dune.

[01:40:31] It should have been out now, but like I said, a death in the family.

[01:40:34] But that'll take a minute.

[01:40:36] Want to take them behind the curtain on what you do?

[01:40:39] I mean, I actually went to a lot of things for pro football

[01:40:43] focus doing data analytics.

[01:40:45] And then I'm also like in the process of writing a pilot script for.

[01:40:50] Yes. Yeah.

[01:40:52] Dark depths series.

[01:40:54] There's a trilogy of novels that me and the original author

[01:40:58] are adapting into a series at the moment. Right.

[01:41:02] I'll be there at the car if there's ever a crowdfunder, I'll be there.

[01:41:07] Cliff and Aaron, what what minute of further to are you on now?

[01:41:11] Oh, great question.

[01:41:12] I think we're around 26 to 30 basically.

[01:41:15] Yeah, predator to it's about the covering

[01:41:19] after Gary Busey's made his first appearance.

[01:41:22] And I love predator to so much.

[01:41:24] Yes. Well, we love to have you on

[01:41:27] because predator, the first one, we basically couldn't get everyone on

[01:41:30] and wanted to be pretty to where like you want to be on there like.

[01:41:34] I'll talk about period two for hours.

[01:41:37] Yeah, Paxson, of course, has been fully sort of

[01:41:40] kind of getting integrated with the team.

[01:41:42] They'll be in it. So they just investigated the crime scene.

[01:41:44] Yeah. The second one. Yeah.

[01:41:46] Not all Scorpio and then

[01:41:49] gone to minute we're doing fear loading in Las Vegas for

[01:41:52] us here. And if you're not familiar, we watch one minute of the film

[01:41:55] at a time, most famously done by Star Wars.

[01:41:56] We did. But we're in the same sort of family.

[01:41:58] We're like in the last two thirds.

[01:42:01] Yeah, we've got a third.

[01:42:02] Yes. So which are part of your movie.

[01:42:04] It's very uncomfortable.

[01:42:05] Yeah. So like we've kind of hit

[01:42:09] the high water mark because it's a home and lots of roll down from here.

[01:42:12] So it's got very uncomfortable.

[01:42:13] It's another one where people like, oh, I want to be the guest

[01:42:16] on the part where they're doing drugs.

[01:42:17] Have a good time. Not the part where it's like

[01:42:19] they're assaulting a waitress.

[01:42:21] So there are no more good times.

[01:42:24] Yeah. So those are the ones we're doing.

[01:42:26] But yeah, gone so minute and then predator minute.

[01:42:29] I know we have a good time and that's really cool.

[01:42:33] You find us, you know, anywhere you find podcasts.

[01:42:35] Josh, that's cool.

[01:42:36] Football focus is used a lot by defector dot com.

[01:42:40] So they're amazing.

[01:42:41] You guys might have to start giving your predictions.

[01:42:45] So, yeah, that's our stuff.

[01:42:47] And Aaron is our resident tech guy.

[01:42:50] So, oh, yeah.

[01:42:52] He was the expert in all the things today.

[01:42:54] I just wanted to hang out.

[01:42:55] So thank you.

[01:42:56] Thank you very much.

[01:42:58] Right on. Paul Jason Gill, if any of you got something

[01:43:01] you want to plug.

[01:43:03] I'm a working step. I got nothing.

[01:43:05] OK. But still always enjoy having you on because it's a party.

[01:43:11] Jaycee had some fun observations there that was neat.

[01:43:15] You're you're you're always posted on Twitter.

[01:43:18] I am very much or X, whatever the hell.

[01:43:21] But I refuse to call it that.

[01:43:23] Jason, you actually are you five hours ahead?

[01:43:27] I hope. Yeah, I'm in the UK.

[01:43:28] Yeah.

[01:43:29] All right.

[01:43:29] So I heard the accent, but I was like, no way is three in the morning.

[01:43:33] Oh, yeah, no, it's nearly four.

[01:43:34] Yeah. Yeah.

[01:43:35] Oh, well, so then we really good timing.

[01:43:38] We will.

[01:43:40] Thank you all. Really a delight.

[01:43:43] Glad everyone got their moment in the sun, got to plug the shows

[01:43:46] and talk about what this means.

[01:43:50] The show is not rusted yet.

[01:43:51] It's still still kicking.

[01:43:54] Well, you know, you told me about this podcast.

[01:43:56] You know, me, I went, I bought I can't believe you like to go that

[01:44:00] and I bought got the Galactica 82, even though I know

[01:44:05] it's not going to be as enjoyable.

[01:44:07] No, I got it with the original, so it's not like you paid extra for it.

[01:44:10] It has flying motorbikes.

[01:44:11] I mean, what I found out I bought the.

[01:44:14] Anna Van Dyke.

[01:44:16] I bought the pilot movie and then I bought the season one series.

[01:44:20] And they got you. Yeah.

[01:44:22] Oh, they just re-released the movie on 4K.

[01:44:27] This is true.

[01:44:27] Master that. Yeah, because it's on my shelf.

[01:44:30] Oh, sorry, cinephile.

[01:44:32] My bad. I was doing this

[01:44:33] with some of the different comic books to where I was like,

[01:44:37] I got him on my computer, but I fucking hate the resolution.

[01:44:40] So I'll just fuck it. I'll just buy it.

[01:44:41] Just nothing better than flipping.

[01:44:44] They'll just keep re-releasing them because all that's happened

[01:44:47] before will happen again.

[01:44:49] So suckers born every minute.

[01:44:51] It's a good capper for this show.

[01:44:54] Yes, we were pawns.

[01:44:56] We were sheep.

[01:44:58] We were silence.

[01:44:59] All righty.

[01:45:00] Don't do any deadly maneuvers.

[01:45:02] Stay out of space and.

[01:45:04] Robby going to bring in the cat.

[01:45:09] Don't go to Caprica.

[01:45:12] Peace and love, everybody.

[01:45:15] See you later.

[01:45:16] Take care.

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