Actress & Martial Artist Pam Grier Tribute

[00:00:00] This podcast is a production of Unfiltered Studios. If you would like to know more about joining Unfiltered Studios, please visit our website at unfpod.com for more information. You look fantastic. You look great in the movie, in Jackie Brown. Do you have some kind of crazy regimen? Do you work out? Yeah, well, I like to go to the gym. I like to work out about five days a week when I can.

[00:00:26] And I'll usually like have a glass maybe of Jack Daniels or something and work out from 11 till 2. It's like a party. I'm liking this workout. I turn the workout into a party. It doesn't say that on my, you know, on my little jogging machine. It doesn't say, on my treadmill, it doesn't say, please to use, drink some Jack Daniels. Then enter your weight, your height and press go. Well, I don't feel the pain. I don't feel the pain. So it kind of numbs it. And then I get a good workout from my fiance, Kevin. He's always there too, you know. He's there? Yeah. He's the one that's like, please have more.

[00:00:56] Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. He's a real man. He just keeps me going. He's like my real workout partner. That's fantastic. And you had, this is interesting to me. I was reading about you today and you were talking about who your idol was. And I'm sorry. I thought that your idol would be, you know, Gandhi or someone like that. Who knows, you know, just some kind of someone. Tell people who your idol is. My idol is Bob Vila. Bob Vila. Okay. Now I'm sorry. When I watch Bob Vila working on those houses, I don't hear that music playing.

[00:01:26] No, you hear saws and drills and all of that. I like that something. Why Bob Vila? I'm jealous to be frank. Why him? I've always been fascinated with architecture and he really taught my mom and all of us how to, you know, repair our homes so they wouldn't fall apart. You know, when, when the dads weren't there. So I've, I've just been fascinated by him and I love power tools. Matter of fact, for my wedding. Uh huh. I heard that. No, no.

[00:01:52] I, I, you need to go in the audience and ask them exactly what they said. I know what they're talking about. A vibrating tool. Hey, wait a minute. No one, no one said anything. I didn't say anything like that. They did. They did. But now that you bring it up. I'm going to be registered at probably Ace Hardware. Are you serious? Yeah. You're getting married. Would you, would you, I mean, is that a joke? Would you register there? Do you think? Yeah. I need tools. I need, cause I, I do a lot of home repair. Kevin, he has me fixing up a lot of stuff. He, he, I, for Christmas, I got a toolkit from him.

[00:02:19] Now, wait a minute. So what kind of, what kind of toolkit do you, I mean, what do you want actually, if someone was going to get you a wedding gift? Cause you can't get someone like a $20 wedding gift. I do, but I'm not invited often. What kind of thing would you want to get? What would you want to get for your, for your wedding? And you're talking about a big tool here. Yeah, a big table saw. I need a good circular table saw, you know. You use one of those things? Yeah. Yeah. And reciprocal saws and, and jigsaws and drills, power drills and stuff. I do a lot of work for Habitat for Humanity and, and a lot of home repair for elderly people.

[00:02:48] That's a very nice thing. Low income families. And I think I'm really, I've always been concerned about people having a roof over their heads. Well, that's a very, it's a great attitude. It's a good thing to do. I hope you get your reciprocating saw. That's what I wish for you in 1998. Thank you. It was, it was very, very cool to finally meet you. Thanks so much for coming on the program and best of luck with this movie. This is great. Yeah, it is. Quentin Tarantino's Jackie Brown is in theaters right now. Pam Greer, have a great 98. Thank you.

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[00:03:46] We are talking about the lovely Pam Greer. Best known for starring with Fred Williamson and popularizing the black exploitation genre with cult gems like Friday Foster and Coffee.

[00:04:15] She later went on to have a recurring role in Michael Mann's Miami Vice TV show, as well as stay relevant throughout the 90s and 2000s with throwback movies like Jackie Brown, John Carpenter's Ghost of Mars, and even the man with the iron fist. So tonight we're just going to talk about why she is a badass gal who always just resonates with all kinds of audiences. So here in the studio with me tonight are James, Gil, and Tom. Welcome everybody.

[00:04:46] Oh, hey. What's up guys? Hey, hey, hey. I just did an intro. So I'm going to let you guys play nice. I'm going to be able to moderate since I'm at work, but I will hopefully everybody can... Okay. ...Oreo's here also. So, and welcome in my dude. We just did an intro to why she's known. Uh, Oreo, welcome. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:05:14] Just talk about why she resonates with you guys as opposed to why she's very beautiful. Play nice. Well, Bam, that's what I wanted to talk about. I know. But I know you also like her for more than just her ass. Bam Greer's. Yes. Okay, perfect. Okay. So, James, you want to start us off as the wine and then I guess Tom? Better yet, Tom, you go first since you've seen a very special documentary that's very key in black exploitation films.

[00:05:45] Yep. I just re-watched it today. It's a documentary called Badass Cinema. And it goes over the history of the black exploitation movement and the different things that were going on there. Um, not all of it I, I liked, but most of it was just fantastic.

[00:06:04] And they had a nice extensive interview with Pam Gurr that they put into the documentary and had also had like a, a shorter or a different, um, interview with her. And just, just the things she said and kind of how she presented herself in that, in that situation. It, it really did open up a lot of doors for, for other black actresses at the time.

[00:06:31] Uh, uh, uh, Tam, uh, Tamra Dobson. Yeah. Another one, but, um, Tamra Dobson was, yeah, Tamra Dobson was a one. And also the other one was, um, the one who was in, uh, get Christy love. What was her name? Um, one spot. Is it? Yeah. But, Tam, yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah.

[00:06:57] What really kind of brought her to the forefront for me was she had such a raw talent to her that in her first movie, she absolutely sucked. I'll admit that. But there was also, um, but later on, she got into her craft a little bit more. You can kind of tell that she, we can kind of tell that there was a, there was something there.

[00:07:24] When you look at her in movies like original gangsters and, um, even, even the Bill and Ted's bogus journey, uh, you could tell that she was really, she found a way to make things to really just round out her acting career. So now she's not just a tough girl. She lived, you can tell she's lived a life. And that has really added to roles like Jackie Brown. ...and higher blood pressure.

[00:07:52] I'm trying to think, um, I mean, the character she's played, she played a lesbian or something. Before we continue, whose computer keeps going off? Huh? Favorite classic school. There's a computer going off on one of you guys' backgrounds. ...or a TV it sounds like to me. Okay. Oh, that's me, I'm sorry. Hold on. Stop watching porn. No. I'm watching Doctor Who. That's just as bad. ...

[00:08:26] Now back to the show. Oh no, I'm stuck in my timey-wimey machine beating my dick. Help me, I'm trapped. Oh my God. Anyway, you were saying guilt, sorry. No, I was just trying to think, talking about her versatility as an actress. Um, I mean, I, I remember a show called Link, or Links, that she was on, on like Showtime or HBO or something. I can't remember what type of character she played, but it wasn't like her typical character.

[00:08:56] And then she was also in the L Word or whatever it was. That was good shit. Now that one I didn't see, but... Oh, you'd like it. It's good. Good stories, good character evolution. And it's also before, um, who was it? Um, Ozzie Davis' death too. Oh, really? Oh, okay. Yeah. Ozzie Davis and Ruby Deere in that too. Holy shit.

[00:09:26] Yeah. Cause it was in, cause when, uh, well yeah, a little spoiler. When they were filming Ozzie's death in the show, uh, Ruby was watching that. And it was, I remember when that popped up on, that was like 2000, I guess nine, between nine and 11. Cause it popped up on Facebook feed. And I was like, wow. Okay. Like, I want to watch this cause I liked both of them. I'm like, okay.

[00:09:54] That's how I usually get drawn in this shit. I'm like, oh, they're in it. I'm going to watch it and see what happens. Yeah. I was going to try to refresh my memory with links, but I can't seem to find it streaming. I guess I can try YouTube. Or you can rent it from the library. Hmm. But, uh, and she started her career as a telephone switchboard operator. Yeah. That's not surprising. And she got it, but it was for AIP, AIP pictures and people recognize or, or noticed her.

[00:10:25] American international, the, the hammer films of the, of the, of the, of the Yanks. Did Corman have anything to do with AIP? Yeah. Hmm. He basically was like the go-to guy for them for the longest time. And then, you know, cause he did all those, like, he did all of the horror movies, like, you know, all of that. And then he'd start doing the bite, the motorcycle movies.

[00:10:49] And then after that, you know, it was, that it was up, you know, he was always directing and giving people a chance to direct too. That was the great thing about AIP with, he was, he was under that was that, you know, he basically was like giving people a chance to direct and stuff like that.

[00:11:07] And then when he founded new world pictures, um, basically was, you know, giving people, you know, he gave Ronnie, Ron Howard, the chance to direct, to give James, you know, he, he had James Cameron, Joe Dante. Yeah. Who else was under that? Um, but the thing with, with Corman is that, you know, he, he basically was like, all right, you want to do something, go do it. You know, I'll give you, I'll give you the chance, go do it. You know?

[00:11:36] And I think, I think with, with Pam Greer, she was always like the one who was like saying, you know, um, she was always, she always struck me as like, like, she didn't, I mean, you got to think from the 1930s to the 19, geez, the 19th, early 1960s, there was no, you know, real black woman, black woman who was strong.

[00:12:04] You know, they're all either, you know, maids, servants, you know, gone with the wind is one of the biggest, you know, and I, it's great movie, but big, big on racism on that. Yeah. And you, you didn't have it till, I think till, uh, Raised in the Sun came out that, you know, black, black women were like, you know, they weren't, they weren't, you know, they didn't go around saying yes, no, no, like that.

[00:12:31] You know, they were now becoming, you know, they were a force to be reckoned with. And she was really the first one I can remember where I saw her. She was playing a strong woman. She wasn't, she didn't take shit from anybody. And that kind of, she classes up every joint she's in. Like she will always, I don't think it's just her thick voice. She just really has that presence, presence about her and kudos to her because she also launched a bunch of other people's careers as a result of being with them.

[00:13:01] Like some of the guys, she would also mentor the directors as a result of them helping her get there as an actress. And, you know, she didn't expect to go the way she did. She, she not only had to suffer through racism growing up, but also two different molestations by both family and friends of friends. And then once you get past those real life horrifying me too stories, which you can hear more of on the Turner classic movies, the plot thickens podcast.

[00:13:29] Get some background singing gigs. She briefly dated Richard Pryor before his wife got too out of whack for her. And she said, Hey, listen, baby, I got to move on. And then she almost married Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She, she had so many close encounters and she basically just decided, Hey, I got to look out for me first. You guys, your men, you'll figure this out, you know?

[00:13:57] And, uh, but before, but it is interesting. Just looking at those late seventies, early eighties before the Miami vice come back because she just always just was seeking out other roles that. And just, she, she just had very fortunate encounters with other producers who also wanted to try something different and be smarter than the average bear instead of just making schlock and easy crowd pleasers that had no imagination.

[00:14:23] So my hat's off to her for just surviving as long as she has and going through all these just horrifying real life encounters. I'll let Tom speak here, but yeah. Yeah. In the, in the documentary, they did talk, she did talk about a situation where, where she did, she and her family dealt with racism and, and where they were holding onto grocery bags. And the, and the bus drivers wouldn't later on wouldn't live on the bus because they were black.

[00:14:53] And that, I think looking at it from a much larger cultural perspective, it wasn't that long ago prior to the black exploitation boom that we were still dealing with that kind of thing. And he had the racial tensions. You had people like Stokely Carmichael and H. Ralph Brown and Malcolm X and, and Martin Luther King Jr.

[00:15:17] All in coming at it with different perspectives on the same, on the same issue and trying to figure out the best way to go about it. And. And something else too, the documentary had a lot of, had a lot of interview footage with Samuel Jackson. And he talked about coffee in particular. He said, he said, he said, when you were looking at Pam Gure and you didn't want a girl that was that tough, but you knew she could handle her business. And really that's the.

[00:15:44] That that's what Pam Gure brings to any role is she, she, you know, she can handle herself. She practically has the written in her contract. Don't give me a victim role. Give me a cool role. Don't make me a slave. Yeah. I'll be, I'll be a concerned parent. I'll be a vigilante. Hey, I'll be a cop. I'll be a gangster's wife seeking revenge.

[00:16:06] But don't you dare give me, you know, like you say, like the arena is fine because it's more of a sci fi futuristic movie where they're fighting. No, it's a historical movie. Yeah. It's more gladiator. That's right. Okay. It's just. I'm thinking of a different arena. Yeah. No, no, no. No. I'm thinking of the arena. It's just. Okay. Yeah. It is historical. It's just the sets look like they're from a Roger Corman sci fi. It was a, it was a Roger Corman movie, I think. Right.

[00:16:36] So that's, it still looks kind of like his things, but. Okay. And you're telling me that you do like movies are glad you're in the most. Who doesn't? But yeah. Well, that one I particularly did. Yeah. But, but yeah, that's the only degrading role I can think of, but that was, they still gave her a lot of ass kicking to do. Yeah. Mixed it with just all these other.

[00:17:04] I mean, she's still, again, after the Black Simultation movie stopped coming her way, she still gets to do a lot of other kind of cool stuff. She's in some bad sci fi movies where she doesn't get much to do, but she's always, she's always turned on. She always knows the deal and she always, I have yet to hear about any other unpleasant encounters. Like, it seems like she's like, just give me a gun. Let me do a speech and we're good. One thing goes to Mars.

[00:17:33] I think, but I'm not sure. It's fine. Yeah. She's in it, but not much. I, but that, that started because she was already in Escape from LA. Yeah. Wow. I think, I think the one movie that's always underrated in her catalog is Friday Foster. Have you ever seen that movie? That the one where she's the reporter? She's the, she's the, she's the photographer. Photographer. But she's a reporter because she's investigating. And I mean, she's not, she's not carrying a gun.

[00:18:03] I don't, you know, I've seen the movie, like, I don't, you know, I'm trying to remember the, she's not carrying a gun. And she has. Yeah. She's the gunplay one, but it is interesting how Friday Foster, she's still being. She's tough, but she's also a whistleblower kind of in a way. She's a whistleblower. And then not only that, she's got Yafit Kodo with her. And he's coming off of, he's coming off of Live and Let Die. And, you know, a couple other movies.

[00:18:29] And then you've got Thalius, Thalius Rasmusza, who's, who you might remember from a movie called Cool as Ice, which he did, where he was a dual thief. It was, it was a predominantly all black cast. And she said, she said, don't just make me, don't make me pretty. Let me get my hands dirty. Let me do what I want to do. I'm not here to just, you know, be sexy or something like that. Let me, let me, let me do it. And she's great in that role. You know, I love her. And the white director, that was also a rare thing too, to have a white director of a black

[00:18:59] two, two black exploitation films. And he was learning a lot and he would always trust her judgment. He's like, you're right. Let's make that script change. Cause then that makes this a little derogatory or racist. So let's make this out. Let's make that script change. Omit that line. Let's have you say it instead of this guy. Cause same deal. He was trying to escape the Roger Corman type driving scene and make good movies. So it just shows you just cause again, just cause you're in a certain format doesn't mean you want to stay there or play by the rules.

[00:19:28] So good honor for breaking the rules. I've read that she liked to do her own stunts a lot too. Oh yeah. Yeah. Much like Fred Williamson. She's all about, you know, do some hand to hand combat, do some, and pretty much on run rules is like, if you're going to come to me, you better not insult my intelligence. I, the movie can be, can suck, but I better not be awful. You know?

[00:19:52] And I, I can't say that I ever, you know, I can't say that I ever saw her do martial arts in a film per se, but I read somewhere that she was a martial artist. Yeah. It's kind of here and there. It's often more like self-defense as opposed to giant kicks. Like you're used to say. Yeah. Yeah. Difference between her and black belt, black belt, Jim Kelly. Jim Kelly. Yeah.

[00:20:20] But I didn't realize she's like black, Hispanic, Chinese, Filipino. She's the Kenanian. She's like, I think I read Native American as well. Yeah. Cheyenne. Park Cheyenne. Imagine if her and Kenanian were used to have a kid together. That probably makes, that makes better sense. Cause I have seen her in some roles where it's like, yeah, I think she's playing a Puerto Rican. But I, I, I think the thing with her is like, like when I saw her at Jackie Brown, right.

[00:20:50] I'm like, okay, she's, she's back. And you know, Tarantino wanted her back. Right. And you know, he's like, I couldn't think of anybody else. I just want Pam Greer to be in this role. And he gets Robert, he gets Robert Forrester who did a great job as Max Cheery. Same kind of actor. Yeah. Long time driving actor, but gives A-list performances. So. I'm Max Cheery. I'm a bail bondsman. I love that.

[00:21:17] And then he, then, then the one I love is Sid Haig, who had been all in those, you know, black exploitation movies or, you know, whatever he was in the heavy. She, she didn't know he got, he got cast as the judge. Right. And the first, the first time they walk, they're doing a scene where she gets walked into court. She saw him. She broke down laughing because she couldn't believe he was playing the judge. And they had to like redo it again, you know, cause it was just like, cause she hadn't seen Haig in like a couple of years or something like that.

[00:21:46] Cause he even dropped out of acting for a while. You know. Well, how long between that and when he did those like devil's rejects. Oh God. Oh geez. I think. That was no five. So. Yeah. Oh yeah. That was later. All right. Yeah. All right. Jackie Brown was 97. Yeah. 97. Also in an odd combination of black quotation, Sid Haig appeared in a children's TV show called Jason of Star Command along with. Yep. Hammer Dobson. Hammer Dobson. Yep.

[00:22:17] Yep. He played Dragos. I swear. I swear. He always used to, whenever I'd see him on screen as Dragos, I get like, I'd be like Darth Vader. Darth Vader has some competition here, you know? But yeah, that's the thing I love. That's the thing I love about, you know, her, her, her and Friday Foster. She's not, she's not playing that, you know, like, you know, the, the, you know, the, the, the jive Turkey, you know, you know, like that kind of thing.

[00:22:47] Like she's, she's a woman, she wants to get the job done and she's not, you know, she's not, you know, she's not doing anything to like, you know, she's just, she's just playing this woman who wants, who wants to blow the lid off of something. And that's what I love about that movie. You know? She wanted to be the black Lois Lane. Yep. Yep. Or the black Aaron Brockovich.

[00:23:15] I, uh, I read something also in 1988, she was diagnosed with stage four cervical cancer and she was given 18 months to live. Damn. And it makes me think of Richard Pryor when he was talking about John Wayne kicking cancer's ass. And I'm like, no, it sounds to me like more like Pam Greer beat cancer's ass. What did he say about, what did Richard Pryor say? I don't know the joke verbatim, but he says a joke in one of his words. He said, I don't know the standups.

[00:23:44] Oh, okay. I remember the free base joke. That was funny. You know, the one where he's, he's got lights and matches. What's this Richard Pryor running down the street? Don't wash me no motherfucking mouth. Love that funny shit. Love my sunset trip. I love the one where he says a port, you know, I just see this lovely boo coming up towards me and I'll say, yeah. Fire. Yeah.

[00:24:17] I can remember in the seventies actually going to, you know, like on Halloween night and going getting candy and stuff like that. And I would actually do, uh, you know, dialogue from Richard Pryor's concerts that I'd seen. And, and, you know, and I'm a white kid trying to do these jokes. Of course, I tried to skirt some of the other, some of the words, but. So you can just imagine how well that went off. Yeah.

[00:24:44] My favorite was, uh, you know, him talking about working for the mafia. Yeah. And he pulled out a starter position. Hey, what's this kid doing? Hey, come on, come on, come on. Sit down. Sit down. Sit down. He does this whole bit about the mafia. He's like, he puts some, they're going to fry some stuff. Put some struts. They like that stuff. You know, he's just like, oh my God. Cause he played in those kinds of clubs. He played in those clubs prior. And I mean, I was just like watching that one bit when he did that.

[00:25:12] I was like, oh my God, this is, those were people I knew growing up. The, you know, the tough guys, you know, we'd see them in Hoboken. You know, my family. I visit my cousin Frankie, but, but with, with going back to paper. Yeah. She, she, her, her thing was also, she made this big comeback with Jackie Brown, even though the film wasn't that successful. And she started to like be in more movies. You know, she took, she did do, I think some movies. She's in something wicked.

[00:25:41] This way comes. She plays though. The witch. If you ever see her, she's the one that blows the smoke. And then James Robardson blows the smoke back in her face. She's the witch. And I didn't realize that was her until just like, yeah, I haven't seen that one. I've tried looking for that DVD. I can't find that anywhere. Escape from LA. Did that come after? And she got that. Of course, that's not something to brag about, but. No, she did escape from LA. I'm trying to think what else she did after that. I'm trying to take a look.

[00:26:13] Let's see. Let me see here. I'm trying to think. Let's see. What are the films? What are the films? Damn it. She does beyond the Valley of the Dolls. Okay. She's the part. That's 1970 then. Big dollhouse. Women in cages. That's 1971. Twilight people. Cool breeze. That was the one. Cool breeze. Big birdcage. Hitman. Black mama. White mama. Coffee. Scream. Blackula scream.

[00:26:42] Holy shit. She. Oh, yes. I forgot. Yeah. Yeah. I saw that just. I watched it like a month ago. Actually. The arena. Was 74. Foxy Brown. And that's why she teams up again with. What's her name for black mama. White mama. Isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Sheba baby. Bucktown. Friday foster. She's in drum. Okay. Twilight of love. Grease lightning. That's the one where Richard Pryor played the.

[00:27:12] The. The. The. The. The first black. Like. Stock car. Stock car racer. Yeah. Ford Apache. The Bronx. Tough enough. Something wicked. This way. Come stand alone. The vindicator. On the edge. The all nighter. Oh my gosh. She was in that. The all nighter. Above the law. The package. Class of 1999. Bogus. Bill and Ted's bogus journey. Bossy. Bossy. Oh God. I remember that one.

[00:27:43] Original gangsters. Okay. That's great. Escape from LA. Mars attacks. Yeah. She's in Mars attacks. That's right. She plays Jim Brown's wife. Everybody was in Mars attacks. I think. Making the funk. Actually. Mars attacks is basically. A prelude. Southlands. Yeah. Yeah. I like Mars attacks. It's a good movie to watch. It's funny too. You know. Jawbreaker. She's in Jawbreaker.

[00:28:12] That's that one. Yeah. Teenagers. Yeah. Into Deep. Holy Smoke. Snow Day. Fortress 2. Reentry. 3 a.m. 3 a.m. Love the Hard Way. Ghosts of Mars. Yeah. Bones. She was in Bones. Oh yeah. That's a good one. Yeah. Adventures of Pluto Nash. Eh. Sale. Baby. Back in the Day. Just Right. The Invited. Machete Maidens Unleashed.

[00:28:42] Larry Crown. Corman's World of Exploits. Exploits of Hollywood Rebel. Women that were out loosed. On the Seventh Day. The Man with the Iron Fists. Bad Grandmas. She was in Bad Grandma. I don't remember that. Yeah. I think that even has Florence Henderson in it. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I remember that one. Yeah. Yeah. That's the one. That's the one I love because which McCall was in this? Nick. I think Nick Swanson. Swinson was in that. If I remember correctly. As we know it.

[00:29:12] Cinnamon. And then she was in. Oh. Pet Sematary Bloodlines. She was in a good movie called Palms. You ever see that? Mm-hmm. I'm looking at Palms now. Did that come out? And you mentioned Machete Maidens Unleashed. That's a documentary. I guess so. But when did Palms come out? 2017. I have not heard of that. I've seen her in some other stuff. She's in this fun movie with Bing Rames and Robert Patrick. That's a. Robert Combs is another B-movie guy in the scene.

[00:29:41] And he basically always does blaxploitation throwbacks. But it's called just simply Mafia. And she pretty much just had a walk-on role. But it was just a fun kind of throwback. But that's kind of what she's at now. She does a mixture of decent indies. As well as homage roles. Just. As long as you don't. Much like Fred Williamson. As long as you don't make her look like a fool. She'll be there. You know. Fun stuff. The more recently.

[00:30:11] The most recent thing I've seen her in. Was Bless This Mess. Which was a sitcom that was on ABC. And it had. I think it was. Dax Shepard was in it. I think I did hear about that. I just didn't see it. But yeah. And she was playing the sheriff. Of the small town that they were. Oh boy. Somebody's got to do it. Holy shit. She was Amanda Waller in Smallville. Yep. I read about that too. Oh shit. So she was the first screen.

[00:30:41] Live screen Amanda Waller. I guess. She's also in Bob's Burgers. Who does she play? Or voice. Trying to think who that is. How many episodes? Just one. She was. Okay. That's wild. She was in Justice League. As Myra. Nice. Yeah. A Knight of Shadows. Part one and two. She doesn't gladly do a voiceover.

[00:31:11] It's just again. It's got to be a strong character. Wild Thornberry. She was in that. Sweet. Pinky and the Brain. She played Julie Auburn. Pinky. You better sit your ass down. But. Have you done any video games? Because it seems like she's overdue. I'm looking too. Video games. Yeah. She was in Grand Theft Auto 5. Oh nice. DJ on in-game radio station. The Lowdown 91.1.

[00:31:38] And then she's also in Call of Duty Infinite Warfare. Oh boy. Hey. That's one of the futuristic ones. So. Nice. She's probably a base commander knowing her. She is kind of. She almost. I feel like she also gives a credence to like other badasses we've covered on this show. Just kind of like Keith David types. Just people who. Not only have they been around for years. But they. They. They also know the ins and outs of how to act. How to.

[00:32:08] Where everything's blocked. Staging and everything. And. They're going to make every close up count. And. That. It's also. They're a hard act to follow up. Because. When they're in some of these inevitably bad B movies. They are unfortunately the only good actor who's given it their all. And so. I. You know. I. Anything she's been in that's not so great. I can't fault her for. But at the same time. Whenever she's in something. Like. I. I know she's. She's here to play. She's.

[00:32:38] She's going to unleash a hell of a performance. I'm trying to think. Was she. Was she. I mean. Aside from being. First lead black actress. You know. Lead action. Lead female action star. First time for that. Yeah. Somewhat. Yeah. No. Because. We can call other people. Kind of action stars. But like. She's one of the first. Who's doing the whole. You know. I can disarm people. Pistol whip them. And. Even just give cool.

[00:33:08] Enduring performances. And just. Yeah. So. I. She. She's gone through hell and back. And. I. I got. No smack to talk about her. She's. She's fucking awesome. She's lived up to her name. And. She should still be remembered more by other people. Who. Besides if she did. If she did find out. She'd kick all of our asses. What do you mean you don't know who I am? Yeah.

[00:33:37] She would have made Gone with the Wind a way better movie. She would have been like. Shut the hell up. Owner. She would have been made. But she would have not taken any sass. No. Yeah. She'd be like. I'm not saying that line. Go fuck yourself. Let me rewrite it. So it doesn't suck anymore. That's what LeVar Burton did in one of his shows that he was in. LeVar is the man. Yeah. No. It's funny how you're mentioning L Word in Smallville. But yeah.

[00:34:06] I do know she's done some other recurring TV gigs. And. Even when her voice is distorted in a sci-fi movie. Or just. Got limited screen time. I know she's. Again. She's not phoned in. It's pretty hard to do. Because she's just so dedicated to everything. She's kicked out any. She's kicked out any unreliable thing in her life. Just square in the jaw. Just thrown it out a window out of her life. Yeah. And then.

[00:34:35] I read something here where she's got a ranch. And she likes living on a ranch somewhere. I can't remember where it was. That makes sense. She does seem like the kind who likes to be around horses. Kind of. She considers. Yeah. She considers herself a black cowgirl. Nice. Yeah. Her ranch is in where the hell she wants it to be. Her life was a western practically. She's at the Jive Turkey Ranch.

[00:35:09] Oh man. Apparently Snoop Dogg fainted the first time you met her. Yeah. Please. I will soon. I'll be like. Hi miss. Full shizzle with the dating show. Oh. She's a tall drink of water. I gotta say that. You know. I mean you gotta realize like. You know. You got. You got her. You got. Oh. I'll be doing something.

[00:35:40] What? Stop being queer. She's a tall drink of water? Yeah. My wife just walked in on me saying she's a tall drink of water. Ew. Here's a tall drink of water. Yeah. Oh. Doghouse. Yeah. Couch is your best friend. Couch. Couch. Couch to your night, babe. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. But I guess. She. She.

[00:36:06] She kind of lit the way for a lot of like women who in movies that were going to be like. It wasn't going to be help. Help. You know. It was going to be like look. You want to fuck with me. I'll fuck back with you. You know. I'll break you into. The one part I love. I don't know which movie it is. I think it might be Coffee or. Or Fox. Foxy Brown. Where she. She gives the. The guy. The girlfriend. Her guy. Her boyfriend's testicles back. Oh God. That was like. Holy shit. You know. You know. I was like. Jesus. I don't want to fuck with her.

[00:36:36] You know. I'm trying to think of a modern equivalent to what her character was in the 70s. And the closest I can think of right now. Is. What's her name. Rosario Dawson. In. Daredevil. In the Marvel shows. As Night Nurse. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. All I can say right now is like. If. If there's going to be a Mount Rushmore. Of 70s actresses. That were like. You know. Groundbreaking.

[00:37:06] I think she's on there. Yeah. You know. That reminds me. Tom. You'll have to. Tell me where you got that. Saw that badass. What was the badass cinema? Yep. Badass cinema. I actually found it at Best Buy. I was looking through her one day. Went through the documentaries. And said. That sounds kind of cool. It's kind of intrigued by it. And. Absolutely fell in love with it. It's definitely one I'll be looking for. For this weekend. Yep. I'm also going to be looking. They also had a soundtrack album. For the documentary. With some of the songs. That were.

[00:37:36] That were big in that. In that time period. And I'm going to try to. See if I can track that one down. Because. I love that kind of music. That. That. Yeah. Yeah. No. I like that. That funk. That funky music. Like that. Oh yeah. R&B funk music. Yeah. Yeah. Like. Like super fly. But you're saying. You dig that funky music. White boy. Yeah. I do. Yeah. Ha ha ha. Ha ha. Wild Cherry making an appearance. Ha ha. Ha ha. Now let's hear the top.

[00:38:05] Number two of the charts. Wild Cherry played. What was the joke that. Norm McDonald's. I think it was Norm McDonald. Or Colin Quincy's. Is the number one. Most played song in the world. Is yesterday. Written by Paul McCartney. With the Beatles. The second most played song. Is play that funky music. White boy. Ha ha. I cry. I have a slightly different take on it. I always wanted to see. Thank you Bobby and Sissy. We're going to do some punk folk. Now. Okay boys. Fire up the machine.

[00:38:35] We're going to be playing. We're going to watch Bobby and Sissy dance to play that funky music. White boy. Ha ha. Ha ha. Ha ha. Ha ha. No but I guess I'm going to have to look for it on YouTube or something. God it's hilarious. Everybody. You got to realize. I think.

[00:39:04] I think everybody in Lauren. Lawrence Welk's band was you know. They knew the joke. This is. Now we're going to play one of the new spiritual that's out there. Ladies and gentlemen. It's a new song. And so and so and so are going to sing it. And like it's like. One toke over the line. Sweet Jesus. One toke over the line. And you can tell the guys in the band before he says it. They're all like laughing. Yeah we know what he's talking about. You know. I got to show it to you. Did you see Leia? Leia? Leia. Did you see Leia?

[00:39:35] Yeah. Okay. All right. Yeah. Sorry. You know you talked about Quentin Tarantino doing Jackie Brown. That was a. Was it an Elmore Leonard? Yeah. It was. Yeah. But it's a white girl in his book. Yeah. And he changed it. Yep. He's. You know. Yeah. You know. And he brought. He brought back. You know. 70s. Blaxploitation. In the 90s. Well. The. The preview was.

[00:40:07] The preview was. If I remember correctly. It was her going. You know. Is. You know. Is. Him going. It's him going like. I think it's like. It's a Pam Greer is. And I'm. You know. And I'm Jackie Brown. I remember that. You know. And. It's a good movie. I like Jackie Brown. My cousin was in it. But her scene got cut. Oh shit. She was supposed to be dancing over. You know. Dancing on top of a bar. In front of. Samuel Jackson.

[00:40:36] The only thing left. Is a production photo. Wow. Shit. Yeah. That's cool though. Yeah. But. Oh boy. I've got the. I've got the. I just looked on Tee Public. They have a. Cherry. Cherry. Bail bonds. From Max Cherry. So they got. They got the Max Cherry t-shirt. For. Cherry. Bail bonds.

[00:41:12] That was a good. That was a good movie. I mean. It's like. It's like his. You know. It wasn't as good as Pulp Fiction. He did a good job with it. You know. And she did a good job. On it too. She was playing the main character. You know. She plays the stewardess. And you know. She gets involved in this shit. And that was the great thing about it. You know. She's a great lead. But she doesn't get to lead very often. No. No. But I think she did a good job. You know. You got to give her credit. Where credit is due. You know.

[00:41:43] Okay. Anybody. Anybody. Thank you boys. Thank you boys. Now let's. Now the bubble machine's out of control. What can anybody say. What the first thing was. They saw her in. Probably the Jackie Brown. For you. Yeah. For me. It had to be. Probably. Well. No. I'm trying to think. It would have been. On the. Yeah.

[00:42:13] The 430 movie. I think they were playing. Foxy Brown. I think they were doing Foxy Brown. And they had to edit it. A lot. So it was like. You know. I think I saw. Go ahead. I think I saw. Coffee. Was probably one of the first ones. I saw. Yeah. Wait. No. I take it back. It was coffee. It was coffee. On the. On the 11th.

[00:42:41] ABC used to have the 1130 movie. It was coffee. That's what I remember. I don't know how they got it. They must have edited it. But it was coffee. Yeah. What about you Tom? For me. It was. Bill and Ted's bogus journey. No. Okay. I don't even remember her being in that. But it's been. Probably 20 years since I've. Watched it. Was that. It's been that long. Hasn't it? Yeah. She played the. She played the. Like a.

[00:43:11] Concert promoter. Because they were. Bill and Ted were going to be doing. This big world. Peace concert or whatever. And. And it turns out. I think she turned out to be. George Carlin. In the end. That's funny. Well. So it was George. It's supposed to be. George Carlin's character. Pretending to be. Her character. Was that what it was? Yep. They're just. Guaranteeing that. Guaranteeing that stuff. Was going to get done.

[00:43:41] Well. If it was George Carlin. Playing her character. He should have like. Felt her up or something. They probably had. Outtakes of that shit. It's just always. Fun deal. Because I just saw. An outtake thing. For. Step by step. On Instagram. Where. Where. Christopher. Said shit. Where he was. Anyone's supposed to. And. Suzanne. Looks at the camera. She's like. Did he say shit? And the camera nods. I was like. Beautiful. Yes.

[00:44:13] At that point. Step by step. Turned into a PG show. Pluto Nash. I know she was in that. Oh yeah. Don't. Disney's. What was her character in that? The one who hid behind the camera. Because she didn't want to be in it. Um. Oh Christ.

[00:44:43] I'm trying to. And then I think there was a character. Where she was like. Like a. Transvestite. Or a. That was. Escape from LA. Was that. Okay. Yeah. I don't know. Transsexual or transvestite. I couldn't remember what. I think she was transsexual. In that. So. Um. I guess we can talk about.

[00:45:11] I know she's never fucked with Tyler Perry movies. Oh gosh. She stayed out of it. Thank God she stayed out of it. I mean. She would fit in. But. No. Not really. Does Tyler Perry have the same stable of actors in every movie? Just about. Practically. I mean. The last one of his that we watched was. For Colored Girls. Because I watched it. The first time. Didn't. Everything went over my fucking head. And then.

[00:45:41] I rewatched. And I was like. Oh this is really deep. Wow. Oh I. I can't get into his movies. I watched one or two. And I just haven't gone back. I watched any others. Yeah. Medea's fun the first two times. And then after that. It's like. Yeah. It's not that funny anymore. And then seeing him play a tough guy in a movie. I didn't watch it. But it was like. Alex. Oh yeah. That was interesting. It was. Very interesting.

[00:46:11] It's one of those things where it's like. Yeah. He's better with. Family dramas and shit. And comedies versus action. And there's also the stigma of. You know. If you're a director. You can't act. And then if you're an actor. You can't be a director. It's like. No. You can learn both crafts. It's not that hard. It takes time. You can't. You can't just jump into it. Like. Oh I know what the fuck I'm doing now.

[00:46:40] It takes time. You learn through trial and error. That's why it's fun when you see a director. Directing a whole cast. And one of the cast is a director themselves. And I'm like. Yeah. They can bounce off each other. Like. Did I fuck up here? Yeah. Kind of. So how do we refix it? Like. Okay. We do this. And do that. I got a movie I bought. But I haven't watched it yet. Bucktown. Never heard of it. Oh. Yeah. I've heard of that. Have you watched it? No.

[00:47:11] It's got like. I'm not sure if it's Fred Williamson. Or somebody else. But. Yeah. Yeah. I enjoy it more when she's playing the lead. Myself. I don't like it when she's the background character. And she's in that. Scream Dracula screen. But her. Yeah. She's central to the plot. And that he's going after her. Because. She reminds him. She's a cream queen there. As opposed to a tough gal. Ah. Don't bite me. Yeah. Control yourself. Put it in your pants.

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