Whacky Box Office & Epic Movie Misfires Part 1 (with JJ & Tom as always!)

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[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_11]: I was always just keen and it was inevitable.

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_11]: I was watching anything by industrial lighting, magic growing up and plenty of other just retro

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_11]: stuff but it was just so wild how half the time you'd get hyped up for a certain movie

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_11]: and even though it felt incomplete or like too many cooks or like an acid drip, you

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_11]: had to talk about it.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_11]: You wanted to study it more or even see where it went wrong or why was it hated by everybody?

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_11]: The Wizard of Oz for God's sakes, you know, 20 directors and people are like, Oh, it

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_11]: was a hit.

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm like, it wasn't a hit.

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_11]: No, it's a wonder of a life.

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_11]: It was just in the repeated, you know, Turner library and a lot of our coaching

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_06]: point of the wheel up good.

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm spinning real all right.

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, there's that thing where like, you know, a movie just comes out and like it's so built

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_09]: up and then it just it just comes crashing down, you know, advertising just not come

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_09]: through with it.

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, I mean, I I'm trying to remember a movie that was like the first time I

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_09]: remember really thinking about a movie that was hyped up so much.

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_09]: And then it just fell apart.

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_09]: That's an art.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know.

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_09]: No, not no, no.

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_09]: Um, I it keeps coming back to me.

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_09]: It's like, I can remember like just sitting in the movie theater.

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_09]: It was 1989.

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_09]: We're watching this movie and I'm like, what the fuck happened here?

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_09]: And I go back and I watch it and I'm like, I still go what the hell happened?

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_09]: And then you realize and that's Star Trek five, the final frontier.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_09]: All right.

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Now God need the space.

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_11]: That's the best line in the movie.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_11]: Yes, but it does feel like a cannon films movie that same year as cyborg and even

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_11]: stuff like robot shocks and you're just like, yeah.

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_09]: It was I mean, they're coming off of four, which is one of the best films in the series.

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, it was that trilogy.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_09]: For double dumbest you.

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_09]: That's what I say to the green light.

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_09]: Great comic lines.

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, there's a there's a theme of the ecology.

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, we got to see the whales and all that.

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_09]: And then they come out with this movie that felt like an hour and a half episode.

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_09]: But when you read back on it.

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, the script was basically it was like three different scripts.

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_11]: The comic book and even novelization have so many moments including another monster that tries to attack them.

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_11]: So that makes sense.

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_11]: That would have had they actually filmed it.

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_11]: They couldn't because Shatner had already pocketed most of the money and the effects budget wasn't there, which is stupid because.

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_11]: He wanted ILM.

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, and they couldn't get ILM because ILM was work. Well, here's the here's some things they wanted to get ILM they couldn't get ILM because ILM was doing Indiana Jones in the last crusade.

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_09]: And he wanted Sean Connery to play Cybac.

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_09]: He couldn't get Sean Connery because Sean Connery was already attached to Indiana Jones in the last crusade. That's why the planet is known as shock.

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_09]: Kari Sean Connery.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_08]: That's that's the plan.

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_11]: No, I have heard of that but it's been a minute and I yeah, I that's I mean I will applaud strange new worlds for actually trying to add to the mythology that one movie and one novelization in a comic couldn't answer.

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, to be fair, Connery could only have done so much. He decided instead how about I do Highlander too.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, with Neil Connery and not not.

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I know Connery was shizzing their surgery probably.

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, it would have been a fun draw. I mean they've had so many other celebs like the Tate of them Nils and Stephen Ford's of the world I call him but yeah.

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_11]: Well, it is just very sad because it's like it could have been a fun buddy movie had they just canceled on the campfire shit, but they go to a weird tangent like 20 minutes of nothing really happening and Scottie getting drunk for no reason and then you finally have action again but by then, you're

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_11]: still kind of confused.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_11]: What's going on and.

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_06]: A point of order here.

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Scottie.

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_06]: He's going to be drunk.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_09]: He doesn't get drunk in the movie. I don't remember him getting drunk in the movie.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_11]: It's, I think the actor was drunk on set but you see him kind of moving his hands around a bit. Oh yeah. Yeah. But the thing I love is like now also there's like a hamburger or dating.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, did that come from? Yeah.

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_11]: And why is she doing a script tease to all these Mad Max natives.

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_09]: And it's like, you know, okay granted that he brought in some really good casting because he had Harve Bennett play the head of Starfleet.

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_09]: That was the producer.

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_09]: He had David Warner come in, you know, who was going to play in the next I think I think they gave David Warner the Chancellor role and Star Trek six is kind of like a, like, I'm sorry we did this.

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_09]: You're going to play Chancellor Gork and, you know, and.

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_11]: Spice Boy's Crosby this great stunt woman who's been on everything scrubs and everything she was funny as that masculine Klingon gal who's kind of got a.

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh yeah.

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_11]: But again, you just they don't use them enough and you're like, they're so funny. They're so they could have been an amusing riff like they're always in the Delta Quadrant like running into Starfleet and, you know, it would just be a funny rivalry but the

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_11]: most we get is probably Spock being unusually heroic and destroying God because only Spock can do that apparently.

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_09]: Well the thing is, is that you know, it almost killed the franchise.

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_09]: It really did.

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_09]: It didn't make much money.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_09]: It almost killed it.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_09]: I remember the joke on on Saturday Night Live Dennis Miller saying you know, you know work has begun work has begun in the next Star Trek movie it's going to be Star Trek six.

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_09]: The apology.

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_11]: Yes, I heard that talk since he ruined tells from the Crip or.

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, but I mean it was just it was just I remember sitting in the movie theater with my friends and I walked out and we were like.

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_09]: What the hell did we just that was a terrible Star Trek movie.

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, there are some great parts you know, Shatner climb you know Kirk climbing El Capitan. Yeah, the jet boots are fine but yeah.

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_11]: You know, they just had like free extra scenes cut out the 20 minute just where nothing's happening.

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_11]: They might have been able to rescue it better and it is a movie I would love to see directors cut out I like if there's a 4k remastered and just extra deleted scenes put back in I'll take it.

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, and and I gotta say this though Shatner you know he didn't he didn't he was trying to get the movie right.

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_09]: And Paramount was basically saying to him, you can't do this you can't do this you can't do this because they were sinking more money into Indiana Jones and then you Indiana Jones was going to be the movie here.

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, and they were like, so it makes I think it was a it made 53.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't kind of look this up hold on.

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_11]: It means something like an $80 guys and disclaimer just take it with a salt.

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_09]: So Star Trek.

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_09]: The. Okay yeah these fires.

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_09]: The final frontier comes out in 89.

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_09]: It does it's in May 63 million dollars on 33 million dollar budget.

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_09]: So that's not that good. Then it follows, you know then you got Star Trek six, which made more money.

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_09]: And it was kind of like it's it's the lowest of I think it's the lowest of all.

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_09]: Lowest rated for the Star Trek movies are rotten to me.

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_11]: I think it doesn't make any sense. Yeah, it's like it's appreciated now but I will still encounter trackies who I don't know why they just don't care when track it's political even though that's part of track track is everything western religion philosophy.

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_09]: The thing I liked about it was, you know the introduction of cybox box brother.

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it was good. But you know as you're watching Lawrence Luckinbill you're thinking okay I know that actor from somewhere.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_09]: And I realized I realized it was it was Lucille Lucie Arnaz's husband, because I'd seen him do lbj on some on a my parents told me watch like great performance or something like that.

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, he played lbj one time and he was great as lbj.

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_09]: And then I was kind of like, you know, I was kind of thinking about more and more and I'm like, I'm like, this was just so bad.

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_09]: I mean it's just, you know, it was just like my god I mean they couldn't, they couldn't think about you know then two years later they put out the undiscovered country and that made 96 million on a $30 million budget.

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_09]: So one makes twice one makes three.

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_09]: We'll see three maybe three in the six, three and 3.5 of a budget.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, yeah, it's and it was great, you know, it was great but you know, they brought back you know that when they brought back Nicholas Meyer they had me my right to script, you know, they constantly argued with Roddenberry to where he was just, it was amazing they got anything in the

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_11]: game that I can.

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, that's when he was having losing his mind and then they're trying to figure out okay we made the plot a little complex but I have one more vision to explain the conspiracy better and it's just like, just let it play out guys.

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_09]: So, and that's the thing because I've always said about Star Trek five, it's it's the weakest of the bunch.

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_09]: Everybody says it's Star Trek the motion picture or you could put the search for spot no Star Trek five is the weakest and Star Trek five to me with a bomb.

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_11]: So, well I didn't fair enough I mean because it.

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_11]: It just shows you kind of like any bad episode that just leaves a sour taste in an otherwise impressive season. And just like you see one unneeded chapter and otherwise impressive book you know it's just when there's so many dents on the road.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_11]: You kind of just want to just.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_11]: You just really want to know what went wrong, it wasn't just communication. It wasn't just money. It wasn't just even what the script was doing but clearly something other than just disagreements occurred.

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_11]: And if it has to be a the room equivalent of track on five that you know if we have to give us a little more instead of well we told you all we needed and Shatner unfortunately he tells some interesting stuff but he never takes responsibility he's just too proud.

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't, I don't think he takes respond I think I think he's like look I had my shot I did it that's it I'm done.

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_11]: I move on my ego found out it was too big.

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know how I think he just says I don't know how to help no one did this for two, for two, for two shoots.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know how.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_09]: And we all we all we were all giggling in the movie when we said directed by William Shatner.

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_09]: Because then we just started thinking it's all going to be about his him you know, his but you know, you know, we're just like direct to believe Shatter Jesus.

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_11]: And ever since that all he did was a hysterical episode of versions of science which is by the tells from the Crip guy that was one of their other anthology shows that was kind of like outer limits and a full moon movie.

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_11]: But that's about it.

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that's it he's like, I was just thinking myself as you know he he brings it you know it's like it should have been you know, he brings in the

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_09]: The Jerry Goldsmith score.

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh yeah, father, other you know whether they have him climbing the rock and I'm like, that that that that that that I'm like okay yeah God dammit why can they show outer space you know it should be basically cuts to him climbing the rock.

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, yes.

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_09]: And great, you know, but you know, I don't know how happened with this. It's just like, it's like they just went okay here here.

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_09]: Movie.

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_09]: You want to come up.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, move along.

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_09]: Move along.

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_09]: Move along.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_11]: That thing does.

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_09]: People.

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_09]: I'll go see Indiana Jones, you know, I don't show no.

[00:15:21] I don't know.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh man so well, as we go on, there's going to be so many others that again, don't lose your shit on us, ladies and gents. We're not saying all these are bad. All these are great.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_11]: We're just examining.

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_11]: Why are they just kind of out of this world pun intended just crazy and so I had a few others listed here. Logan's run is kind of like the first movie I think of when I think

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_11]: cult movie.

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, it kind of revitalized sci-fi. And it's so out how I look at George Lucas is early movie TX 1138.

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_11]: And I really feel like he was definitely trying to eat the Logan's run formula just escape from a dystopian collective.

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_09]: I think the month no one three eight came before Logan's run.

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, it did. Okay.

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_09]: So there you go.

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_09]: So, but Logan's run was such a was such a, you know, it's it's a movie that sucks you in.

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, but Michael has charisma and periflosta can't deny.

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, any augurter in it who's like, you know, that's the first time I really was like going. Oh, wow, you know, she's hot, you know.

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_09]: The thing where it's like, you know, the people I always crack up about that movie because I'm thinking by the age of 30, you will not be you know, people died by the age of 30 right.

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_09]: And it's like this thing where like, he's like, you know, last day, last day, 2334 sign at the Capricorn. And you see these people come into like a centrifuge.

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_09]: Like, you know, there's always yeah,

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_09]: Parasail, right? Parasail, right? Right.

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's what sucked me and most of all because it because it goes so against what we're what we would think about people are willingly going to their deaths and those who deny it are shot or struck down by the same man.

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, or they escape and they come into box by Ross Brown. And you know they're frozen, you know, and the part I love about Parasail is like, you see all these people they're all they're all wearing these white, these white hoods right.

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_09]: And they're wearing like, you know, these jumpsuits that look like, you know, the, you know, the Calgary flames design them for, you know, for their hockey games. And they're wearing hockey masks.

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_09]: Right. Yeah.

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_09]: And they've got the black eyeliner on and they start going that sense and they hold up their hands, and their hands are clear. And they start doing the centrifuge. I got freaked out by that when I was a kid, because I didn't understand what the hell it was about and I realized what that thing was was an electrical current that that goes through your body and basically blows you up.

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_11]: It's even worse. And this was years before we pretty much just went back to just explosives like running man style. This is like, this is straightforward.

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_09]: It's done so.

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, these people are flying. You know, the people were going Reno Reno Reno.

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_09]: And then Francis and Logan are walking through the, the, the, the center with the little babies. And he goes like that's that's low.

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_09]: It's right there.

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, like, that's his that's him reborn again.

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_09]: And the truth about what's going on.

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_09]: And that movie did, I mean, I saw that movie when I was like about seven or eight. No, I was about six, seven years old.

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_09]: And I was like, wow, you know, they got it was, you know, this, you know, my parents were letting me like watch shit that I, you know, most kids were watching like, you know, you know, Sesame Street or something.

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_09]: I was watching Logan's run. And I just fell in love with it.

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, I fell in love with the whole thing of like, you know, them, you know, and then you find that leader actually they're living in a dome city that's in the United States, which was filmed in Texas.

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I've been to those areas.

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_11]: Yep.

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_11]: The whole thing is like, even knew a guy who was an extra in one of the crowd scenes.

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, and the theater company.

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_09]: The thing I loved about Michael York is that he's so good in that movie. He is.

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_09]: He was the guy.

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_09]: Because he was coming off a cabaret. He was coming off.

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_08]: I forgot he was in cabaret. Oh my God. Yeah.

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_09]: He was coming off of cabaret. He was coming off of.

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_09]: What other movie was he doing like the Zephyralli films?

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_09]: So yeah, that sounds.

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_09]: He was kind of like, you know, he was the guy to get for, you know, a romantic leading man.

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_09]: And action movie like that is really impressive.

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_11]: He looks comfortable in it, considering, you know, again, you know, just this was his chance to shine and I've never heard him say, you know, I regret that, you know, all that.

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_11]: It's just seems like he's just a few calm guys.

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_09]: And you had Jenny Auger.

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_09]: Who was coming off of Walkabout.

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_09]: Farrah Flussett, who had just done, I think she was just about to Charlie's Angels.

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_09]: That sounds about right.

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I was going to mention him because that because he was used to not added a level of gravitas to that movie.

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_06]: Something you're, I mean, Michael, you're gonna have a fantastic actor.

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_06]: No complaint against him, but against the Yuzanov.

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_06]: You needed somebody like that to elevate the story just by his mere presence.

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_06]: And his role was so fantastic.

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_06]: He's just.

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, the way and then you got Richard Jordan playing Francis.

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_09]: Who's chasing them run.

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_09]: He was a big, you know, he was he was a character actor.

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_09]: So they had him and then the way they did everything was just like, you know, kind of like everything's kind of like it's like a heat.

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_09]: It's like a hedonistic future.

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, you got like, you know, the one guy who's the plastic surgeon, you've got the sex shop.

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_09]: The love shop. It's called the love shop.

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_11]: We know what they are.

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_09]: Interesting to watch, you know, it's like it's like the future is going to be like hedonistic in a while.

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_09]: And then but yet you go, you know, but yet you realize all it is just you're here to be wired to be blown up and there's a place called sanctuary and you get there.

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_09]: You're good if you don't get there, you're screwed, you know, and that's the one thing I loved about.

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_09]: So that movie did it did bring I mean, 75 two years before Star Wars.

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_09]: And it's it's a good movie to watch.

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_09]: I know they recycled a lot of that that footage for like more commending and ice pirates.

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_11]: I think I did hear about ice pirates, but I forgot it was in that.

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_11]: But I had no idea about more commending connection.

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_11]: That's yeah.

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_06]: And the thing about it is that they dealt with.

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, you know, there was a lot of heavy stuff we did in a way that wasn't ham-fisted.

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_06]: It was kind of new what was going on.

[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_06]: The introduction kind of set the set the stage forward.

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_06]: But then just it's in the periphery in the two or the rest of the movie.

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_06]: And then it so it's introduced.

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_06]: It's there you're aware of it.

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, you deal with ecological disasters overpopulation things that were.

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_06]: That we're making the money a lot of people.

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, we all thought about it because it's just we saw troubling news and it wouldn't take much to just keep everyone up all late late at night looking at the TV and then realizing, oh, I better get to bed because I'm not going to be able to do that.

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_11]: I have work and I'm forgiving.

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but another movie going at I'm sorry.

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_09]: Tom, go ahead.

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_06]: Another movie I would put in that same kind of hand beyond would be so like green.

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_06]: A lot of the same issues.

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so many different way.

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_06]: And they had the same kind of level of rabbit actually had trouble testing as the main character.

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_06]: And you can empathize with them.

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_06]: You see, yeah.

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_06]: And then we're doing Robinson as the old man.

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_07]: It's fun.

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, doing and it's elevating the role or elving her movie just by being there.

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, and that was his last role.

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_09]: I think he died like a couple of months later.

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_09]: And you have Chuck Connors in it.

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_09]: You have yes.

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_09]: Rock Peters.

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_09]: You have Joseph Campbell.

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_11]: He is great.

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_09]: Lee Taylor Young.

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm trying to think who the hell else was in that dick van Patton is in it.

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_09]: He put he placed the head of the factory where they make the best of the patterns.

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_11]: Is your yeah.

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_09]: And the thing about that movie was that, you know, we just passed the year.

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_09]: So in the green was 2019 wasn't it?

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_09]: The ending of Soylent Green was so I mean, it's two diametric opposites.

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_09]: Green is this movie of a dist of a of a dystopia where there is where there's no utopia and

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_09]: Logan's Run is a utopia that is a dystopia.

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_09]: You know what I'm saying?

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_09]: It's two.

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_09]: It's a dystopia with with a utopia.

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_09]: It's a dystopia with utopia like utopia theme because you got to remember all the

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_09]: upper all the upper crust people live well, all the lower class class people they're screwed.

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_09]: The utopia of Logan's Run is they're all living to be, you know, they're they're young,

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_09]: they're hip, they're free, they have sex, they, you know, they could do whatever they want.

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_09]: But more not even Westworld if you think about it, even though Westworld.

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_09]: You die before when you turn 30.

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_09]: And that's it, you know, and no one knows about the outside world because they've all been raised in a dome.

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_09]: And the thing I watch and Tom, you can you can look at this too is that when Pete when Peter

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_09]: Ustunov enters the place, this dome right after everything's blown up and gone to shit.

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_09]: He's looked on as like Christ almost like.

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_09]: All the young people look at him and he's like this.

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_09]: He's like touching them, they're looking at him and he's like this like Christ like figure because he's someone they've never seen before.

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_11]: He noticed in certain angles, he does look like he has almost Jesus Christ like hair at times.

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_09]: And the thing I love is like they make him they make him to be this like doddering old man but you're as you know, I had a mother and a father, you know, and then they're buried out there.

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, he talks about everything.

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_09]: It's like when you hear this guy was a two time Oscar winner by the way.

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_09]: So, you know, there's no there's no there's there's no way he went to this role when I'm going like, you know, okay, he went in there and he made this character pop.

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_09]: And that's the thing I love about it when he's speaking of pop.

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_11]: There's a lot of that that happened on Caligula with the great Peter O'Toole and Harold and Mary.

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, definitely another dud.

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_11]: And just the more I read about it, it's more interesting how there might be five versions of that.

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_09]: They're going to do the ultimate cut.

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_09]: The ultimate cut.

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_09]: The last time I heard the word the last time I heard ultimate and cut was at Milton Burles Briss.

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_09]: The story, the story goes with that, that movie Caligula.

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm going to tell you a personal story.

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_09]: My father, the guy who lived next door to me owned the theater, right?

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_09]: Bob Bateson God bless him. He passed away a couple of years ago from COVID.

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm sorry.

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_09]: He was like my uncle Bob.

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_09]: You have a neighbor and he's like your uncle and you have a you know, you're around all the time.

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_09]: He was my grandfather's best friend, my grandfather John's best friend.

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_09]: Him and John McCagney.

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_09]: So anyway, Bob.

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_09]: Bob Bob tells my father, Hey Frank, I got a copy of Caligula.

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_09]: We're going to screen it.

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_09]: You want to come see it because I heard it's really crazy.

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_09]: He actually saw it.

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_09]: He actually saw it.

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_09]: He's like you won't believe what you're going to see.

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_09]: So my father tells my mother, he says, you know, I'm going to go down the movies.

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_09]: Bob's taking me to the movies.

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_09]: We're going to see this movie Caligula.

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_09]: My mom's like, Oh, there I'll stay here with Jay.

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_09]: And you know, you go down the movies and you guys have fun.

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_09]: My father came home.

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_09]: I think maybe about half an hour, 45 minutes later after the movie started.

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_09]: And he turns to another and he says, I've never walked.

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_09]: I've only walked out of like two or three movies in my life.

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_09]: This made me want this.

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_09]: He got up.

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_09]: They were watching it and he was like, I couldn't believe what I saw on the state on the screen.

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_09]: I couldn't believe it because what he saw, it was like, he was like, you know, my father,

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_09]: Catholic upbringing, you know, but he was very, you know, he's a very man of the world.

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_09]: But this was just like, Holy shit.

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, people were walking out of the movie theater.

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_09]: It was a pack task and people were walking out.

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, cause they were.

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_11]: It was a legit movie, not a driving type.

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_09]: They, no, they thought they were going to, cause it said Gordva doll, Gordva doll wrote the script.

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, that's right.

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_09]: Gordva doll writes the script.

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_11]: The political progressive guy.

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_09]: Gordva doll writes the script.

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_09]: You have Tinto Bra who has done a great movie called Salon Kitty, right?

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, fine.

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_09]: You get Malcolm McDowell.

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_09]: He's, he's, you know, he's, he's the, he's the guy, you know, the guy to get, he's just done, you know, oh lucky man and you know, he's going to do time after time.

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_09]: And, you know, he's going to do, you know, he's done if, you know, the Lindsey Anderson movies.

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_11]: That's why McDowell trusted him.

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_11]: He was like, he did a good job on that serial killer trilogy.

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. No, no, no, the Lindsey Anderson trilogy.

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_09]: No, that's, that's not the serial killer.

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_09]: No, no.

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_09]: He played Mick Travis and if, and then he did the sequel, oh lucky man.

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_09]: No, it's, yeah, it's okay.

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_09]: But they get Helen Merran who was like, you know, British sex kid.

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_09]: You've got, yeah, you've got Peter O'Toole who is, you know, one of the most well respected actors in the world.

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_09]: He's going to play Tiberius.

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_09]: You've got John Gilgood playing Nerva, not the future emperor, but a senator who was a friend of Tiberius.

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_09]: Because this is what, and Gorgobo went in and he wrote this stuff accurately.

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_09]: Then Gucci only's going to produce it, right?

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_07]: Mm-hmm.

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_09]: They have the movie done.

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_09]: But Gucci only says, I've got to put my own spin on it.

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_09]: So he goes there.

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_09]: They're filming, I think, in Chinatürt, the studios, which was in Italy.

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_09]: He would go in after the studio closed and film hardcore pornography scenes.

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_07]: Mm-hmm.

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_09]: And then he would insert them into the movie.

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_09]: So you see like women eating each other out.

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_09]: You see guys, you know, you know, and then I'll give you guys, you know, jack-a-lating, you know, I mean the scenes with Malcolm McDowell where he fists the guy in the, you know, during the wedding scene.

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, yeah, that's kind of like, er, you know, but, you know, are you a virgin prognosis?

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_09]: He's out of virgins.

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_09]: He says, I see the collegiality.

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_09]: They wanted to do it where he's sonomized the guy, right?

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh Jesus.

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_09]: And I was like, uh, yeah, I'm not going to do that.

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_09]: He says, why don't I just do this?

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_09]: So he, you know, they do the scene with him putting the fist, you know, right there and he does any sex with the bride.

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_09]: And he says, you know, I physically put the fist and my father's going like, my father said he was like, I can't believe what I fucking saw.

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_09]: And I actually watched it.

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_09]: I watched it and I, I watched it on DVD.

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_09]: And I had to turn it off.

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_09]: I had to turn the fuck off because to me it was just like, it was like watching a bad pornographic movie.

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Now, it's still a pornographic movie.

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, because remember, even by porn standards, like it's really, really, really bad.

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_09]: Tinto bra, Tinto bra disowned it.

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_09]: Gord Vidal took his name right off the bus.

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_09]: This is shit. I'm not going to know.

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm not the script is just, you know, I'm not being involved in this.

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't care about this.

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_09]: This is something I don't want to have even my name attached to because Gucci was trying to keep up with Hefner because Hefner had done Playboy.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_09]: He'd done, I think one or two guys from hustler.

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. So the guy, no penthouse penthouse.

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_09]: That's what it was. Okay. Shit. Yeah.

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_09]: So, you know, it was, and it was height, it was so high, you know, Bob Gucci only gives you, you know, the mad, you know, the mad man, his rain, his rain was a rain of blood.

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_09]: And you hear like that, you know, that whole thing about, you know, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, you know, you hear that music and it's like, I see the Caligula rule, you know, from the day the sun, you know, the sun rises to when the moon rise.

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_09]: And it's all this, you know, it's all this stuff, you know, you know, the mad man Caligula was, you know, and it's like this. It was like this hyped up film.

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_09]: And I've actually like heard stories of like John Gilgud Malcolm McThough's walking down the street.

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_09]: And he said, Oh, so John Gilgud walking out of the theater.

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_09]: And he said, he said, he said, Oh, so John, how good to see you as well. You just watch.

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_09]: I saw two or three times my boy. You did. He has so many great cocks in that movie.

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, he'll give you, he'll give you, he'll give you was gay. And like, you know, he's just like, Oh, you can't believe how many cocks I saw. So glorious.

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_09]: And like, you know, Malcolm McThough's is going like, Oh God, Jesus, this is so funny to watch. It almost sank a lot of careers.

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_09]: It really did.

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_09]: And you know, Malcolm McThough did come back and he did time after time. And you know, that was, and he did some movies.

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_09]: Helen Mirren I think kind of was, you know, went to Britain for a while.

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_09]: Peter O'Toole did the stuntman after that. And he did my favorite.

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_09]: He was always forgiven.

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_09]: And Gilgud won the Oscar like two years later for Arthur.

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, unheard of.

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_09]: And so, you know, but this collegiate was just so hyped up.

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_09]: It was just and people were paying money to go see it. And they were just getting up and walking out of the movie theater, you know, because it was like they were expecting historical drama.

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_09]: I think it's three years before I, Claudia said to now, and they were expecting a big giant lab. No, they were getting a freaking porno movie, you know.

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_09]: And I'm sitting around, you know, I just went, I just went, now they're going to have the ultimate cut and I'm like, ultimate cut.

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_09]: What do you mean? Ultimate cut, you know, and Tinto Braz screaming and yelling, let me be involved in this.

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_09]: Don't put out something I'm not involved in, you know, because he's trying to fight the studio to not put it out, you know.

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_09]: And there's like five different versions of it from what I can gather.

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_11]: Yep. And there is yet to be a consensus on whether there's a better version of set movie, but I don't think there is exactly.

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, there isn't.

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, the part the parts I cracked up about is like, you know, he's got that one part where he's got the people in the not in the costume.

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_09]: He's got like a gay slave and a few other things. And he's got no, he's got the thing where that like this wall is moving and there's like,

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_09]: Leeds underneath it cuts the people's heads off.

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, oh, it's just it's just weird to watch, you know, but it's just it's just oh my God, I mean, I've never I've never seen a movie that made me want to get a shower and a penicillin shot after I watched it.

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_11]: You know, and we all like all kinds of guilty pleasures and stupid lowbrow movies when you literally make everyone feel dirty for even wanting to watch something that stupid is just like,

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_11]: And it's just like, do I just have bad taste in cinema or is there even a limit to excess?

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, I think I think the thing too is like, you know, they were they were thinking they were doing historical movie and they were.

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_09]: At one point and then it just was like, I need to put my own my own spin on things.

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_09]: And he just you know, he just did what he did and like give them what they want or at least until brah look at it and what what the hell is this crap, you know,

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_09]: I still I still I still to this day remember my mother actually getting the video tape with my father up here and they began to watch it and he was like, you know, Sandy what you're going to watch is,

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_09]: you know, it's not good. She's like, oh, it's got a good cast in it. Just because it's a good cast doesn't mean it's going to be a piece of shit, you know, you know,

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_11]: but it was just kind of our learning process in the video store days is like I'm never heard this.

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_09]: But here's a here's a thing of interest in little side note.

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_09]: There was a movie that came out right after that, you know, called Collegio the untold story with Laura Gessmer who played Emmanuel and David King Wharton who played the bad guy in cave dwellers.

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, God. And it's it's you could watch these two like this movie was just, you know, it was done by film ventures I think, and they were trying to capitalize on Caligula.

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_09]: So that came out and it was like, yeah, it was.

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_11]: It's just you know, but I do kind of fun with that stupid movie, but I think it's just the villains Indiana Jones type bad, you know, thanks he's doing.

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_11]: Just great work and it's like no, you're kind of just being silly.

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_09]: You just and you know, I mean, to this day, I still think Collegula is like the one movie that I have.

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_09]: I will try to sit down and watch it and I'll go as far as I can.

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_09]: And I'll be like, no, no more. No, no, I can't I can't see this. This is fucking ridiculous.

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, this is just like I've seen movies where I've just started laughing because of the, you know, like, like, like Monty Python and the Holy Grail or you know something like that.

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_09]: This is just making me want to like, you know, go and like hide in the closet and, you know, cry in a shower like crying.

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, this is I mean, this is like, you know, this is like, you know, the one part where they have they had like her mat like they had people made up like her math.

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_09]: It's on the set and I'm like, what the fuck is this all about?

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_09]: Wait, why is wait? What what what? What is this?

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_09]: Why?

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, no, it's ancient Rome. No, it's not ancient Rome. This is this is some guy with a with a view of like perversion movie on Betamax.

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, you know, why? Why isn't that way? Why is she doing that to her?

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_09]: And why wait, do these women even fight? You know, and there are parts where people just disappear and reappear for no apparent reason.

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_09]: And there was one woman on that movie, I think Teresa Ann Savoy who was a the penthouse pet.

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, you got she soon Gucci on it.

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_09]: She won.

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_09]: She won. I think she won like a settlement.

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_09]: And, you know, I was kind of like going, oh, wow. That's that's great.

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm going to go take a shower and pretend that it and wash my eyeballs.

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_11]: Scrub them real good because you realize a black eye is more preferable.

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_11]: That's how bad this is.

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_11]: It was at this point that I became a thing.

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_11]: Incest was viewed as sexy.

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_09]: God, these are my ancestors.

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh man.

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_11]: God help us all our ancestors, man.

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_11]: So.

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_11]: There's too much to discuss and we can sum it up or even do a two part but either way.

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_11]: I mean, there's just so many other just duds that.

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_11]: I'll just kind of, I feel like we can sum them up but kind of just like.

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_11]: Illustrate them by.

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_11]: Shall we say just era?

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_11]: 70s.

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_11]: There's every other, you know, dawn of the dead Star Wars knockoff.

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_11]: And it is no different.

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_11]: You got Space Hunter.

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_11]: Bellevue on the stars and star raiders from Corbin.

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh yeah.

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_09]: I always say star.

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_09]: Space Hunter was a great move was a is a great cult movie.

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_09]: That'll be on the stars is a great cult movie.

[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_09]: Star Raiders.

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_09]: I like it's slow.

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_09]: It's confusing.

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_09]: The plot goes like basically, you know, a B and C.

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_11]: It's looked like time of the Aves at times.

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_11]: Do you ever get that?

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_11]: I think it's kind of set.

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_11]: That's what I call it.

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, the thing I love is that they use the same ship from battle

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_09]: beyond the stars in space in Space Raiders.

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, and the thing, the thing that's always cracking up

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_09]: about that is like you've got Tom Christopher, our favorite.

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_09]: Our favorite guy from.

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_09]: But he was he was kind of like a guy for him and.

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, put, put, put in these movies.

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_09]: And you know, Space Raiders star Space Raiders had Vince Edwards

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_09]: in it.

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_09]: We rented it.

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_09]: My mother rented it.

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_09]: My mom and dad rented it for me because I was so into Star Wars.

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_09]: And they go, they go, we're just going to be a.

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_09]: Hey, that's Ben Casey.

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_09]: And I'm like, who?

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_09]: So it's like, Jay, he was on a show called Ben Casey when

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_09]: I was a kid.

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_09]: And then later I'd watch Ben Casey and I'd be like,

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_09]: no, it all makes sense.

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_09]: Anyone.

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_09]: Dr. Zorba was, and I was going to make the joke.

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_09]: I said, when's Dr. Zorba going to show up on Space Raiders?

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_09]: But then you realize Sam Jaffe was on Battle Beyond the Stars.

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_09]: He played the old guy in the space station.

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_09]: And Jen said words was in Space Raiders.

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_09]: So, you know,

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_09]: you can make the argument or the same.

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_09]: And I just say this was Sam Jaffe born 93 years old.

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_09]: He's always looked crusty.

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_09]: My father, I said that.

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_09]: I was like watching.

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_09]: I was like, every movie's been, he's old.

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, did he lay out in the desert?

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_09]: And you know, he's 45.

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_09]: Gee, Sam, how old are you?

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_09]: 45 Christ.

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_09]: You look like you're 70, you know.

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_06]: I will say this though, the 1980s for me was that sweet spot for

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_06]: for movies that bombed at the box office,

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_06]: but they knew life after that.

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_06]: We had, there's one I remember very visually because of

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_06]: because all the merchandising around it went from mega force.

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh yeah.

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Mega force was one that bombed the box office,

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_06]: but I remember it.

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_06]: HBO hit and video came up.

[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_11]: Bostwick still does conventions and he says it's really big in

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_11]: Germany for whatever reason.

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_11]: Rip, what was your name?

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_11]: Rick Hunter.

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_11]: Rick Hunter is his name and Resilva's in it and all other kinds of.

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_11]: Michael Beck and.

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_11]: Hall Needham and Beager from Star Trek.

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_09]: Pursues combata is in it and the guy from the ghost and Mrs.

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_09]: Mirror, the guy who played the captain of the show Edward Mulher.

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_09]: If somebody was going to say Charles Nelson Riley, I would have

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_09]: been like, no, he's not in the movie because he would have

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_09]: been like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_09]: That's a Tom.

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_09]: That's a great, great movie that bombed and now it's,

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_09]: you know, now it's getting like that second chance because

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_09]: it was like G.I. Joe, you know,

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_09]: it really is mad magic to you.

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_11]: I Joe, it's literally it and yet he got over movies like the

[00:45:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Black Hole, Tron,

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Blastar fighter.

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_09]: All right.

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_09]: I'll go, I'll go one better a movie that bombed and then they

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_09]: recut it and it got a better lease on life.

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_09]: Michael Chimino's Heaven's Gate that almost love it.

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_11]: And yet it's so blasted and you look at it and you're

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_11]: like, this was considered the worst movie of all time.

[00:45:57] [SPEAKER_09]: It was it went so over budget because Chimino was,

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, he just done the deer hunter.

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_11]: He never shook the ego and he should have just been one of

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_11]: those.

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_11]: Just nod your head.

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_11]: Don't talk back to all the producers because you're going

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_11]: to just keep pissing them off.

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_11]: But yeah, he was very much like Francis Ford Coppola where

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_11]: he was very opinionated.

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_11]: Wasn't going to hear it any other way.

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_11]: And he offers a great show, by the way, but it is interesting

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_11]: how he just, it's just you look at it and to think that this

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_11]: is the final straw where you could re-visit movies on home

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_11]: video and not know the oblivious to there's two

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_11]: different cuts of it.

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_11]: And then realize this is good.

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_11]: Again, same kind of deal.

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_11]: You think, hey, great actors.

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_11]: There's people even on recognizable in this like Jeff

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_11]: Ridges and Suzanne Waterston and Chris Christopherson and Chris

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_11]: Walken really, really going for that for this movie.

[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_11]: And yet well, it's just no one wants to talk about it.

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_11]: No one wants to be associated with it.

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_11]: No one wants to even give it any fair day in court.

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_09]: And like you've got Leone doing once upon a time in America.

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_09]: Which, which flopped.

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, you bring up the last starfighter that's looked upon

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_09]: as a great movie because it was computer special effects.

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_09]: So was Tron.

[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_09]: But I'll go one better.

[00:47:26] [SPEAKER_09]: Dune.

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_09]: Dune.

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_09]: The 80s one just for clarification.

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_09]: Dune.

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_09]: Lopped.

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_09]: And the reason why it flopped was it was known as developmental

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_09]: hell.

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_09]: They wanted to get, they had art.

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_09]: And they wanted to get it.

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_09]: And so, and I think that's a great thing.

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_09]: And so, granted, it's a great series of books.

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_09]: But my, my, my background was that.

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_09]: They wanted Ridley Scott to do it.

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_09]: They wanted to have Alejandro.

[00:47:55] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:47:55] [SPEAKER_09]: Jordan off ski Arthur P Jacobs.

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_09]: It was in developmental hell.

[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_09]: Then they got, they said, okay,

[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_09]: Lynch is hot because he's just done the elephant man.

[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_09]: And he's just done, he's just done a racer head.

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_09]: And they gave it to him.

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_09]: And all I remember is watching the movie.

[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_09]: I remember watching the movie and I was really into it.

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_09]: But I remember my mother and my father talking during the

[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_09]: movie and they're like, what the hell is going on here?

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_09]: They gave you Tom.

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_09]: Did you see, did any of you guys see doing in the movie

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_09]: theaters?

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, there is one.

[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_09]: I did not.

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_06]: I watched it.

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_06]: I watched it.

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_06]: I watched though the longest version that I could back

[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_09]: up and it's the one with the cut,

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_09]: the cut with the guy doing the voiceover. Right?

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay. That's the better cut in my opinion.

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_09]: Because the one that I saw when I saw in the movie theater.

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_09]: Um, I would, I, if I would watch it now,

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_09]: I would riff it because it's just,

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_09]: they gave us a sheet,

[00:48:55] [SPEAKER_09]: a sheet to give you the terms of what was going on on the

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_09]: screen.

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_09]: Like what deep, you know, through for how,

[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_09]: how did you get it?

[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_09]: And I was like, what's this? What's this was my father was like,

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_09]: I have no idea what the hell just happened on the screen.

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_11]: Right.

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_11]: And the fact that this cycle just kept repeating.

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_11]: Not only with just every version of dude,

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_11]: but just having to tell the studios, Hey,

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_11]: we want to give you your money back, but there is.

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_11]: It's not that we're being unimaginative or pretentious or

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_11]: just stupid.

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_11]: We can't tell it unless we get free to four hours to tell it.

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_11]: It's just that's the answer.

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_09]: It is, it should have been two parts like they're going to do now.

[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_09]: It should have been two parts and you know, even the mini series

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_11]: actually pretty solid.

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_11]: If you want to just look at it from an editing or just.

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_11]: Just staging perspective and even set design, but yeah,

[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_11]: it just seems like everybody always argues and half the

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_11]: time producers, you can tell they can't even tell practical

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_11]: from special effects or David.

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_09]: David Lynch at one point was like just put my Donald want.

[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_09]: I want to be associated with put my name Alan Smith,

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_09]: the on it, you know, and, and you guys had a great cast.

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_09]: They had, you know, you're going to rock now.

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_09]: Jules, yeah, Patrick Stewart, Virginia Madsen, Anna Francis,

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_09]: this is our, I think is in there for ours.

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_11]: Had a bad time.

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_11]: He got an accident.

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_11]: Max, seeded L.

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_09]: I forgot.

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Thomas Lachlan.

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_09]: Thomas Lachlan.

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_09]: And then you realize like three years later, you know,

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_09]: Lynch comes out with blue velvet and all is forgiven.

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_09]: But here's the funny thing though.

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_09]: When you think about box office bombs,

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_09]: I remember that movie crawl being heavily hyped.

[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_07]: Yes.

[00:50:45] [SPEAKER_07]: Well,

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_07]: all crawl.

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh my God.

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_09]: It was so hyped up.

[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_11]: That is going to make Lady Hawk money.

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_09]: No, it's going to, it's going to make, it's going to make,

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_09]: it's going to be, oh, it's a great thing.

[00:51:00] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, it's like, it's like a fairy tale and outer space.

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_11]: Have you guys watched that back to back with Hawk the Slayer?

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_11]: Yes.

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_11]: It's so much fun still waiting on that damn sequel.

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_11]: But yeah.

[00:51:12] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:51:12] [SPEAKER_11]: I mean,

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_11]: I've seen people who will still rediscover it nowadays.

[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_11]: They'll just get it at a convention or in one of those milk

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_11]: rig sets and they'll still have a blast with it.

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_11]: There's just something just.

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_11]: What are its intended or not?

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_11]: The goofiness is very infectious with that one. I don't know why,

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_11]: but it is.

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_06]: And you can't,

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_06]: you can't talk about a goofy movie without referencing the

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_06]: adventures of buckaroo bonsai across the adventure.

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh God.

[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_11]: I thought about that one, but I somehow.

[00:51:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh my God.

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not sure.

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Weller assists the blind man that Ellen Bark and Clancy Brown.

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_06]: They made comic books.

[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_06]: I was going to get the Jeff Goldblum because I was going to do the

[00:51:53] [SPEAKER_06]: Jeff Goldblum movie.

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_06]: I was in this movie and it was a really good movie.

[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_06]: I really, really liked it.

[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to go over here and do a completely different movie

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_06]: called fly which is a little bit different,

[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_06]: but I got to wear my cowboy suit during some of it.

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_09]: Vincent,

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_09]: she have values in it.

[00:52:08] [SPEAKER_09]: He plays one of the.

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_11]: He also didn't he play a sleaze or something?

[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_11]: Or did he do as usual like magician kind of tricks?

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_09]: No, he did.

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_09]: He played like one of the, one of the John small berries, you know,

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_09]: they played one of the aliens.

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Yep.

[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_06]: The red electrodes.

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_09]: The red electrodes. Yeah.

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_09]: And then Carl Lumley's in it.

[00:52:29] [SPEAKER_09]: He plays the black.

[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_09]: And he's like the guy.

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_09]: He's like, I love, I love him in that because he's like,

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_09]: and the ending is so great because you hear the ending

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_09]: is going to the ending comes on, right?

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_09]: And you hear do do do.

[00:52:43] [SPEAKER_09]: And also you do and everybody takes a bow at the end.

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_09]: That's me.

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_09]: But that movie flopped.

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_09]: But I mean, I saw it in the movies theaters and I was taken

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_09]: away by it because I was like, my,

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_09]: I remember seeing it with my dad and my friend Joey and we were

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_09]: just like, this is so cool.

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, because the comic books were, you know,

[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_09]: if you read the back of the comic books, Marvel comic books,

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_09]: they were hyping that movie up.

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh yeah. But they did a recent one apparently.

[00:53:10] [SPEAKER_11]: I think it's boom or dynamite.

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_09]: And they were going to do a sequel called buck rubon.

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_09]: Versus the world crime league.

[00:53:18] [SPEAKER_09]: And it never came to fruition.

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_09]: You know,

[00:53:21] [SPEAKER_06]: I want to say that that when the comic book.

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Groups.

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_06]: I didn't do that.

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Or I think they tried to build off of that.

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_06]: I know I had a like a first issue or maybe a.

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Ash can addition of a buck rubon.

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_06]: I.

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Comic book where they introduced new characters.

[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, he still had buck rubon.

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_06]: But.

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_09]: And the Clancy Brown character didn't die.

[00:53:48] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, you know, no, they said that he didn't.

[00:53:52] [SPEAKER_09]: You think he's dead, but he's not.

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_09]: He's actually when the thing hit him in the movie,

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_09]: it put him to sleep.

[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_09]: So you think he's dead.

[00:54:01] [SPEAKER_09]: He's not dead.

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_09]: He's not dead.

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_09]: Because even, even like Peter well, Peter Weller.

[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_09]: And I think the director was like, no, no, he doesn't die in it.

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_09]: But the thing I loved about that is the way the story was, you know,

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_09]: because it's like buck rubon's eye.

[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, he's this like brain surgeon, physicist.

[00:54:19] [SPEAKER_09]: Rock and roll star.

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, and.

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, I, and Tom, Tom, if you watch the movie,

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_09]: the guy playing the president.

[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_09]: Was the guy who played talk in the, in the Raiders of the Lost Star.

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_11]: Talk.

[00:54:32] [SPEAKER_11]: Isn't that.

[00:54:33] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh wow.

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_11]: I did not recognize those.

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_06]: And I will.

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_06]: We forgot one person who was just fantastic in the movie.

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not sure why they didn't give him more.

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Me grow back to this Christopher, Christopher Lloyd.

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_11]: He basically thought it was like back to the future, but even goofier.

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_11]: It wasn't even back to the future yet.

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_11]: I just mean involving a vehicle.

[00:54:55] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_11]: But you know, but yeah, no, it's not at all.

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_09]: But it's like, he's like, will you do me a favor?

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_09]: And open that up.

[00:55:05] [SPEAKER_09]: And it's like they're like these like.

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_09]: The red like toys are like these like very stiff kind of guys.

[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_09]: And the black like toys are kind of like these like Rastafarian

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_09]: dudes.

[00:55:15] [SPEAKER_09]: And I think that's.

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_09]: About, you know.

[00:55:18] [SPEAKER_09]: The great thing about that is like, you know, it's like,

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_09]: it's kind of like saying, Hey,

[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_09]: the red like toys are the bad guys because they keep the black

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_09]: like toys down and I like the black left toys because they're

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_09]: playing. Remember they're playing chess.

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_07]: I pretty much.

[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_11]: That's a movie I remember all the crazy just.

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_11]: In plausibilities, not that it, but I just remember all the

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_11]: shit hitting the fan in that movie and just being like,

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_11]: okay, it doesn't make sense, but I kind of get why this is

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_11]: a cult movie.

[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_06]: And there's a little bit of trivia involved with this too.

[00:55:51] [SPEAKER_06]: The, you know, the spaceship that they were using.

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Those are all based on crustaceans.

[00:55:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_06]: I just, I just remember when I, when I was a teenager and I

[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_06]: found that out really.

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_06]: This shit actually.

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_09]: They're based on like five, you know, five valve shells and

[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_09]: all that stuff because when you look at it, they're,

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_09]: they're kind of like based on snail shells and stuff like

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_09]: that.

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_09]: I picked up a shelly a couple of weeks ago.

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_09]: I was down at the shore and I was like, this looks like the

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_09]: ship from Bucket Robins.

[00:56:22] [SPEAKER_09]: And I'm like, you know,

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[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, Raiders hit that time to Raiders and Temple of

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_09]: Doom.

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_09]: And I remember that cannon jumped on the bandwagon with

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_09]: Richard Chamberlain, Alan Corderman and Alan Corderman

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_09]: in the lost city of gold.

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, yes.

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_09]: With a very, with a very young Sharon Stone and Richard

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_09]: Chamberlain said he loved doing those movies because he

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_09]: could be he could just cut loose and not give a shit.

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, he's even doing like, you know, the

[00:58:18] [SPEAKER_09]: thorn birds and show gun and, you know, like, you

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_09]: know, Dr. Childers didn't get along though.

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't think that they know from what I understand

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_09]: they didn't and I kind of take his side as to because

[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm kind of like, yeah, I can understand why you

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_11]: didn't like her, you know, but I'm sure to be told it

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_11]: just wasn't what they signed up for.

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_11]: But at the same time, you kind of have to just cut

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_11]: loose after a while if it's just not going exactly.

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_11]: And then they film those back to back.

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_11]: I keep thinking they did.

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_11]: I think they did or at least most of part one

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_11]: and maybe part of part two.

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_11]: But yeah, I mean, all the Canon films guys, you know,

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_11]: they all joke about how that was the most implausible

[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_11]: just script to even just come up with.

[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_11]: And it's like, we just don't know how to do this.

[00:59:00] [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, King's Mines had been done earlier in the

[00:59:02] [SPEAKER_09]: fifties with Stuart Granger and Deborah Carr, but

[00:59:06] [SPEAKER_09]: this was a little bit more like, you know, it was

[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_09]: kind of campy, you know, kind of like, you know,

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_09]: all right, yeah, the jokes on us, you know,

[00:59:14] [SPEAKER_09]: we know what we know what's going on here, you know.

[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_09]: And I think Richard Chamberlain's partner is in the

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_09]: movie playing his brother, his real life partner.

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, wow.

[00:59:25] [SPEAKER_09]: The second one. Yeah.

[00:59:27] [SPEAKER_09]: And Alan Corder me.

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_09]: So he kind of, he was like, yeah, you know, they got

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_09]: my, my, my, you know, my partner in this one

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_09]: and it was like fun to do, you know, you know,

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_09]: they really did a good job.

[00:59:35] [SPEAKER_09]: I like those movies.

[00:59:37] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, they're two, they're two big hokey movies.

[00:59:39] [SPEAKER_09]: But, you know, then you had Lewis Gossett Jr

[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_09]: and Chuck Norris and Fire Walker.

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_09]: And then you had the movie, you know,

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_09]: which was, you know, kind of, you know, I don't,

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_09]: you know, Chuck Norris, not being Chuck Norris, you know.

[00:59:53] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_11]: As opposed to I'm invincible and all that shit.

[00:59:58] [SPEAKER_09]: You know.

[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm trying to think what else.

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_09]: Was out at that time where I was kind of like everything.

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_11]: So we had plenty of other things.

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_11]: One that's extremely similar to.

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_11]: Megaforce would be battle truck and that's another one

[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_11]: like people keep rediscovering it.

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_06]: I need to see this movie.

[01:00:25] [SPEAKER_06]: I've never heard of it.

[01:00:26] [SPEAKER_06]: I had a battle with Kill Dozer.

[01:00:29] [SPEAKER_10]: It could be a double kill dozer.

[01:00:34] [SPEAKER_11]: Battle truck.

[01:00:36] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, battle truck 1982.

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh my God.

[01:00:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, we're on this.

[01:00:43] [SPEAKER_06]: I have throwing them.

[01:00:45] [SPEAKER_06]: What was that?

[01:00:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Damnation alley.

[01:00:48] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_11]: There you go.

[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_11]: 77. Yeah.

[01:00:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:00:53] [SPEAKER_06]: Jen Michael Vincent as somebody who was on the street.

[01:00:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Hello.

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_09]: Who the hell was in that?

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_09]: I keep thinking.

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_09]: I keep thinking Paul Winfield was in that movie.

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, he was.

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_09]: I know George Pappard was too.

[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_09]: And everybody gets it wrong because they think that the thing

[01:01:13] [SPEAKER_09]: from arc two, the roller, the rover from arc two was in damnation

[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_09]: alley.

[01:01:19] [SPEAKER_09]: It wasn't.

[01:01:19] [SPEAKER_09]: It was a totally different thing.

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh really?

[01:01:22] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_09]: I remember seeing that movie going like,

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_09]: why are they going across the desert?

[01:01:28] [SPEAKER_09]: Where are these giant radioactive cockroaches coming from?

[01:01:31] [SPEAKER_11]: They're probably trying to kill everybody.

[01:01:34] [SPEAKER_06]: And on the other side of the extreme, in the 90s,

[01:01:38] [SPEAKER_06]: there were some ones that I think bombed the box office

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_06]: but gained more respect.

[01:01:43] [SPEAKER_06]: It feels like dark city.

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_06]: It's a good contrast.

[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Here was actually really popular,

[01:01:49] [SPEAKER_06]: but there's also sky pirate in the world tomorrow.

[01:01:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Sky captain.

[01:01:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Sky captain.

[01:01:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Sky captain.

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's right.

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_11]: I could never get into sky captain.

[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_11]: I knew what it was trying to say.

[01:02:01] [SPEAKER_11]: It just had,

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_11]: I didn't like the graphics and plot, but what?

[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_11]: And what is that for that matter?

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_11]: But it, I understand the love for it because again,

[01:02:09] [SPEAKER_11]: it was an ambitious attempt and it does break my heart.

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_11]: The more I find out about how literally that filmmaker.

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_11]: Operamized all the way through and he still got fucked up.

[01:02:20] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[01:02:21] [SPEAKER_09]: And the thing that gets me is that like that's last,

[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_09]: that's the last time you see Lawrence Olivier on the screen.

[01:02:29] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah,

[01:02:31] [SPEAKER_09]: because yeah,

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_09]: go ahead.

[01:02:33] [SPEAKER_09]: They basically got footage of him.

[01:02:37] [SPEAKER_09]: He played the evil doctor in it.

[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_09]: We don't see him here. I think he said,

[01:02:42] [SPEAKER_09]: but if you watch at one point,

[01:02:43] [SPEAKER_09]: they're going through the,

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_09]: remember they're going under the water.

[01:02:47] [SPEAKER_09]: And you see the ship,

[01:02:49] [SPEAKER_09]: you see the ship from.

[01:02:52] [SPEAKER_09]: King Kong.

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_09]: In there.

[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_09]: You know,

[01:02:57] [SPEAKER_06]: and now they've made,

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_06]: now they've mentioned Lawrence Olivier.

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_06]: I have to throw in also the original class.

[01:03:04] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh yeah.

[01:03:05] [SPEAKER_11]: There you go.

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_06]: That's not so much sci-fi, but it did have that.

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_11]: Any fantasy or just giant effects epic that just didn't take

[01:03:13] [SPEAKER_11]: off right away.

[01:03:13] [SPEAKER_11]: And that's fine.

[01:03:14] [SPEAKER_11]: But yeah,

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_11]: I had a teacher who was obsessed with Harry Hanlon and he was like,

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_11]: you're going to watch this.

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_11]: Watch it.

[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_11]: Well, Harry house.

[01:03:22] [SPEAKER_09]: And that's like one of the last movies.

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_09]: Harry has and did.

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[01:03:26] [SPEAKER_11]: The house of the.

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_09]: But my mom was my mom took me to see it when I was a kid.

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_09]: Now she was like, cause she knew I loved all those, you know,

[01:03:33] [SPEAKER_09]: Jason and the Argonauts.

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_09]: And you know,

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_09]: I was really into the, you know,

[01:03:37] [SPEAKER_11]: some bad special kind of ambition.

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[01:03:41] [SPEAKER_11]: I do like a lot of these pigs because their city,

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_11]: I did not care for that at first cause the narration was very annoying.

[01:03:47] [SPEAKER_11]: Then I found out down the road that was a studio decision and kind

[01:03:51] [SPEAKER_11]: of like Harrison Ford on the lesser cut of Blade Runner just

[01:03:55] [SPEAKER_11]: decided and it doesn't need it.

[01:03:57] [SPEAKER_11]: So I'm just not going to do my best take. Sorry.

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_09]: The thing I've always been pissed off about is like, you know,

[01:04:01] [SPEAKER_09]: the versions of Blade Runner that I've seen, you know,

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_09]: I liked the Harrison Ford voice over one.

[01:04:07] [SPEAKER_09]: But it's kind of like, you know, kind of, you know,

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_09]: it's kind of hitting you over the head a little bit.

[01:04:12] [SPEAKER_09]: But I never could get how Blade Runner was, was, you know,

[01:04:16] [SPEAKER_09]: it was a phenomenal movie where it's time, you know, blows, you know,

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_09]: the graphics, everything really Scott did a great job.

[01:04:24] [SPEAKER_09]: They do Blade Runner 24. Was it 2049 or something like that?

[01:04:28] [SPEAKER_09]: 2049. Yeah.

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_09]: And it tanked.

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_09]: Because the thing was, was that the.

[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_09]: The thing was, was that the momentum was gone, you know, yeah.

[01:04:43] [SPEAKER_09]: And, you know, to have this new guy come in who I think is a

[01:04:47] [SPEAKER_09]: replicant in the movie.

[01:04:48] [SPEAKER_09]: He is a replicant and, you know, we still don't know if Rick,

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_09]: that card was a replicant and I don't know.

[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_11]: We'll never know because the writer and star say he's not

[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_11]: in the film yet.

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_11]: And yet too late Ridley has several frames where you can

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_11]: clearly see Harrison's eyes turning red in the background,

[01:05:05] [SPEAKER_11]: like the Terminator and it's just, yeah.

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_11]: It's up to your imagination, but this is long story short.

[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_11]: I hate to say it. Everybody's right.

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_11]: The fans are right.

[01:05:19] [SPEAKER_11]: The writer and cast and crew are right, but it's,

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_11]: it's just,

[01:05:23] [SPEAKER_11]: it's going to have to be left to your imagination like a

[01:05:26] [SPEAKER_11]: Lynch film because the damage is done.

[01:05:29] [SPEAKER_11]: Everybody cares so much about it after all that trouble.

[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_11]: And I'm just glad that they've had time over all these years to

[01:05:35] [SPEAKER_11]: just finally settle down and talk about it more coherently.

[01:05:39] [SPEAKER_11]: And now people view it as great roles,

[01:05:43] [SPEAKER_11]: especially for Darrell Hannah and Rupert Howard.

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_11]: But then you would think that just those establishing shots of

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_11]: that city, that would have been iconic, but it wasn't.

[01:05:51] [SPEAKER_11]: It was just an incident cable.

[01:05:53] [SPEAKER_09]: Like the part with the part with Tron was amazing to watch.

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_11]: I think so too. It's just, but yeah, we talk about Disney being

[01:06:02] [SPEAKER_11]: scummy. We, you will read so many articles on how a female

[01:06:06] [SPEAKER_11]: critical was threatened to lose her job if she gave Tron a two

[01:06:09] [SPEAKER_11]: out of four star rating and she just was not impressed.

[01:06:12] [SPEAKER_11]: Many critics at that time, kind of like with Blade Runner, they,

[01:06:15] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah, they loved the graphics, but just thought the

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_11]: story was still and they clearly hadn't read too much books,

[01:06:21] [SPEAKER_11]: but at the same time, yeah, it's just because so many,

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_11]: that was, they're both kind of just the rarities along with the

[01:06:28] [SPEAKER_11]: rocket chair because the audience reaction was so good.

[01:06:31] [SPEAKER_11]: The studios just had to just finally just slowly, you know,

[01:06:34] [SPEAKER_11]: they'll never admit they're wrong, but they had to just give us

[01:06:37] [SPEAKER_11]: more because there's like, hey, okay.

[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. Overthought this whole thing. We should be ashamed of it.

[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_06]: And go ahead. No, you first time. Go ahead.

[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_06]: And for a while there in the 90s and even into the 2000s,

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_06]: they had sci-fi movies that were, they're kind of along the same

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_06]: lines as some of the ones we've already talked about.

[01:07:00] [SPEAKER_06]: We had Yattica, which was at the island or whatever.

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_06]: So even McGregor, one where they were, I think it was

[01:07:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Scarlett Johansson and he were, and then, yeah,

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_06]: the island works. Yeah, they just kind of did a spatter

[01:07:21] [SPEAKER_06]: and smattering of those. And then he got one of my children

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_06]: of man. I actually love that movie.

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Choker to men? No. Children of men.

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, children of men. Yes. Okay. Yeah.

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_11]: I've never seen that one. I don't like it or anything,

[01:07:40] [SPEAKER_11]: but it is well shot. And yeah, I will when it's very emotional

[01:07:44] [SPEAKER_06]: in it. Yep. And I will also throw in a shout out

[01:07:48] [SPEAKER_06]: to the book of UI. Yeah.

[01:07:51] [SPEAKER_11]: The book of UI was like a hot. I like the first time,

[01:07:53] [SPEAKER_11]: I just, I have a trouble with the plot twist ending,

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_11]: which I won't be a jerk in spoil, but,

[01:07:59] [SPEAKER_11]: but yeah, Denzel's great in it.

[01:08:01] [SPEAKER_11]: And Gary Oldman, she was the scenery and I do have to

[01:08:05] [SPEAKER_11]: admire the Western tropes that. Yeah.

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. Yeah. But the point is that with that,

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_06]: every, like, like we've been saying every decade to the habits,

[01:08:18] [SPEAKER_06]: little niche and little, little place where everything.

[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm seeing people talk smack about just movies that I thought

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_11]: were immortal. Like, like no one had anything as bad to say

[01:08:29] [SPEAKER_11]: about, but now I'm seeing a few people say,

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_11]: I don't care for the comedy in Gadget Shack. I'm like,

[01:08:34] [SPEAKER_11]: really? Oh my God. And then I know you're saying Princess

[01:08:37] [SPEAKER_11]: Bride is not that great a fantasy comedy.

[01:08:39] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm like, just because they don't understand. See what it is,

[01:08:42] [SPEAKER_09]: is that this generation that's coming up now,

[01:08:44] [SPEAKER_09]: they won't understand what we grew up with or they're just

[01:08:48] [SPEAKER_11]: now watching it because it's in the top two 50 and it's like,

[01:08:50] [SPEAKER_11]: well, don't go to INDB as just the only reference. Go to

[01:08:54] [SPEAKER_11]: some actual, like there's plenty on iPhone playlists.

[01:08:58] [SPEAKER_11]: Yes. Every site's going to have some clickbait,

[01:09:00] [SPEAKER_11]: but eventually you're going to find someone who regardless

[01:09:03] [SPEAKER_11]: of whether you can enjoy this movie or not,

[01:09:05] [SPEAKER_11]: they at least can translate this all for you in free

[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_11]: sentences without overwhelming you.

[01:09:12] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. And I think the thing was, was that with a lot of movies

[01:09:16] [SPEAKER_09]: that bombed now that you look back, you're like, oh wait,

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_09]: there was a director's cut. Hold on. Let's look at that.

[01:09:23] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. Let's look at that director's cut.

[01:09:24] [SPEAKER_11]: Now I've got to own five versions of the same damn movie.

[01:09:27] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, and the thing was like, you know, when they

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_09]: recut, they recut, they made a movie called 1900.

[01:09:36] [SPEAKER_09]: If you remember that movie 1900. Yes.

[01:09:39] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. Yeah. Bertolucci does that movie. They recut that.

[01:09:44] [SPEAKER_09]: They recut once upon a time in America.

[01:09:47] [SPEAKER_09]: They recut Lawrence of Arabia. Lawrence of Arabia.

[01:09:49] [SPEAKER_09]: No, they've never touched Lawrence of Arabia.

[01:09:51] [SPEAKER_11]: Well, I don't mean that they doctor, but they were still,

[01:09:55] [SPEAKER_11]: there were still some extended scenes that are now,

[01:09:57] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah, they were tinkerings, you know.

[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. They brought in Jabba the heck for a brief

[01:10:03] [SPEAKER_06]: with Lawrence of Arabia.

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that would be funny.

[01:10:09] [SPEAKER_10]: Um, oh, Jabba, do you die, Lawrence?

[01:10:16] [SPEAKER_09]: I think, you know, I think the thing that gets me too is

[01:10:19] [SPEAKER_09]: like sequels bombs too, you know.

[01:10:23] [SPEAKER_11]: Ones that you thought would have been like killed it

[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_11]: open at night and no one showed up.

[01:10:28] [SPEAKER_11]: And there wasn't any bad hype or anything, but they just,

[01:10:31] [SPEAKER_11]: no one wanted another sequel or they didn't know about it.

[01:10:34] [SPEAKER_09]: I remember Arthur two. I remember one night we went to

[01:10:39] [SPEAKER_09]: go see a movie. It was me.

[01:10:40] [SPEAKER_09]: I think this girl I was with, I was about 14, 15 years old.

[01:10:45] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know when did Arthur two come out?

[01:10:47] [SPEAKER_11]: Definitely 84 ish. It had to be my 80s.

[01:10:50] [SPEAKER_08]: No, no, Arthur two. I think Arthur two.

[01:10:53] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm looking at Arthur two.

[01:10:56] [SPEAKER_11]: Okay, 88 my bad. So, all right.

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_09]: So I was, I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't really anybody back then,

[01:11:02] [SPEAKER_09]: but it was like Arthur two comes out, right?

[01:11:06] [SPEAKER_09]: And it, it, it was like, it was like nobody wanted to see it

[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_09]: because Dudley Moore, I think had, you know, unfortunately

[01:11:15] [SPEAKER_09]: it got past his, his welcome in Hollywood, you know,

[01:11:18] [SPEAKER_09]: because he had done, you know, he did best defense.

[01:11:21] [SPEAKER_09]: He did.

[01:11:22] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, with Eddie Murphy. Yeah.

[01:11:24] [SPEAKER_09]: Eddie Murphy. He did, you know, he did what the hell else did he do?

[01:11:31] [SPEAKER_06]: He was involved in a comic book movie.

[01:11:33] [SPEAKER_06]: He was involved in. He was not.

[01:11:35] [SPEAKER_09]: Right. Let's not.

[01:11:37] [SPEAKER_09]: Ten.

[01:11:38] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, ten, ten, ten kind of, you know, made him a superstar.

[01:11:43] [SPEAKER_09]: Right. Arthur made him a superstar, you know, and then he

[01:11:46] [SPEAKER_11]: does, you know, I feel like this sequel, it was an honest attempt,

[01:11:52] [SPEAKER_11]: kind of like, like Ghostbusters two and it wasn't uncommon to see

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_11]: people kind of see a sequel before they see the original.

[01:12:00] [SPEAKER_11]: But yeah, I feel like this kind of went in the same terrain as

[01:12:03] [SPEAKER_11]: short circuit to just, yeah, it was just the people just

[01:12:08] [SPEAKER_11]: audience just, just didn't show up unless they were related

[01:12:11] [SPEAKER_11]: to the actors. They thought cash grab or they were tiring

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_11]: the sequels again, kind of like we are now.

[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_11]: That's my theory.

[01:12:18] [SPEAKER_09]: The only good part in Arthur too is when John Gilbert shows up as

[01:12:21] [SPEAKER_09]: a ghost because that first, that first, that first Arthur movie I

[01:12:25] [SPEAKER_09]: watched religiously. I would watch it and it was fun to watch.

[01:12:31] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, Liza Manelli was out of her comfort zone as an

[01:12:34] [SPEAKER_09]: actress because remember she'd been doing like, you know, my

[01:12:37] [SPEAKER_09]: name is Liza. She did cabaret.

[01:12:39] [SPEAKER_09]: Do you love me, Junie Moon?

[01:12:40] [SPEAKER_09]: And she does this, you know, she plays this waitress and it's

[01:12:45] [SPEAKER_09]: like, you're watching the second one.

[01:12:47] [SPEAKER_09]: You're like, oh, he's down on his luck.

[01:12:50] [SPEAKER_09]: What's going to happen in the end?

[01:12:52] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, he's going to get the money back.

[01:12:54] [SPEAKER_09]: That's great. You know, it just didn't have, it just, it

[01:12:57] [SPEAKER_09]: been, you know, six years since the original and, you

[01:13:01] [SPEAKER_09]: know, W Morse career kind of ran out of steam at that

[01:13:03] [SPEAKER_09]: point.

[01:13:05] [SPEAKER_11]: And to be fair, I think Hollywood really gave him a

[01:13:08] [SPEAKER_11]: lame.

[01:13:09] [SPEAKER_11]: I think they did too, you know, it's like, there's like,

[01:13:13] [SPEAKER_11]: what can't you be like Bonnie Python?

[01:13:14] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[01:13:15] [SPEAKER_11]: Well, you know, realizing that money Python was not welcome in

[01:13:20] [SPEAKER_11]: its home country.

[01:13:22] [SPEAKER_11]: You know, we love it.

[01:13:24] [SPEAKER_11]: They think it's stupid because they're not paying attention.

[01:13:27] [SPEAKER_09]: And that year, that, that was the year that Superman,

[01:13:30] [SPEAKER_09]: the quest for peace came out and that killed the

[01:13:33] [SPEAKER_09]: franchise and they were expecting to be a big hit.

[01:13:36] [SPEAKER_09]: It didn't help the money.

[01:13:38] [SPEAKER_06]: It didn't help that she'll learn from Superman three.

[01:13:42] [SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, well, and Christopher,

[01:13:45] [SPEAKER_11]: he got, yeah, they should have, they totally should,

[01:13:49] [SPEAKER_11]: but like, he got so animated about it and then

[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_11]: pretended like it was about him against the, you

[01:13:55] [SPEAKER_11]: know, Reagan nuclear act and everything and like, no,

[01:13:57] [SPEAKER_11]: no, no, no, but someone else wrote this before the

[01:14:00] [SPEAKER_11]: next revision or whatever.

[01:14:04] [SPEAKER_09]: He did it because they were going to give him a chance to

[01:14:08] [SPEAKER_09]: direct his own do his own movie called street smart,

[01:14:10] [SPEAKER_09]: which is a great movie.

[01:14:11] [SPEAKER_09]: That is a good movie with three men and Roger's.

[01:14:14] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_09]: But you know, he didn't, he didn't get the chance to do

[01:14:19] [SPEAKER_09]: Superman.

[01:14:19] [SPEAKER_09]: First off, Superman should not be fixing the world's

[01:14:22] [SPEAKER_09]: problems.

[01:14:23] [SPEAKER_09]: No, you know, and they bring in this guy, Mark Pillow,

[01:14:26] [SPEAKER_09]: who's going to play the nuclear man.

[01:14:27] [SPEAKER_09]: They bring the original cast back, you know,

[01:14:29] [SPEAKER_09]: the kidder, you know, Mark McCleary, they bring in, you

[01:14:32] [SPEAKER_09]: know, Jesse Cooper.

[01:14:34] [SPEAKER_11]: Every typical sequel, they spend again so much time on

[01:14:39] [SPEAKER_11]: something not moving the plot along and they're like,

[01:14:42] [SPEAKER_11]: Hey, kids want stupid jokes or him rescuing one person.

[01:14:45] [SPEAKER_11]: They'll eat that up.

[01:14:46] [SPEAKER_11]: And it was like, no, you really shouldn't because it has

[01:14:48] [SPEAKER_11]: nothing to do with nuclear man.

[01:14:50] [SPEAKER_09]: And let's not forget John Crier was in that movie and he

[01:14:53] [SPEAKER_09]: was still hot coming off of pretty in pink and read

[01:14:56] [SPEAKER_11]: like, just don't try too hard.

[01:14:58] [SPEAKER_11]: I don't want you to be your career to die from this

[01:15:00] [SPEAKER_11]: damn movie.

[01:15:01] [SPEAKER_09]: And I think he Christian Karousa does is I know this is going

[01:15:05] [SPEAKER_09]: to tank, but at least you're going to have fun doing it.

[01:15:08] [SPEAKER_09]: And, you know, I think, I think the thing is, is like,

[01:15:12] [SPEAKER_09]: you know, Superman wanted to great movies.

[01:15:15] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[01:15:16] [SPEAKER_09]: Donner, Donner cut phenomenal three and four.

[01:15:19] [SPEAKER_11]: I thought I was the only guy who liked the Donner cut.

[01:15:21] [SPEAKER_11]: I never understood the hate for it.

[01:15:22] [SPEAKER_11]: I was just like, he started it and nothing against Richard

[01:15:26] [SPEAKER_11]: Lester.

[01:15:27] [SPEAKER_11]: Lester. He's done some of my favorite disaster movies.

[01:15:30] [SPEAKER_11]: He's not Erwin Allen, but no one is, but that's okay.

[01:15:34] [SPEAKER_09]: Richard Lester did the first two Beatles movies.

[01:15:36] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[01:15:37] [SPEAKER_09]: And he did a funny thing happen on the way to the forum.

[01:15:39] [SPEAKER_09]: But you know, the Donner cut is amazing to watch because

[01:15:42] [SPEAKER_09]: there's a lot of things they eliminated that I like,

[01:15:44] [SPEAKER_09]: but then they do three and three was like,

[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_09]: Richard Trier saves robot show.

[01:15:50] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, and the thing was prior to it because he said on the

[01:15:54] [SPEAKER_09]: car show, oh, I always liked Superman.

[01:15:57] [SPEAKER_09]: And like, you know, the guys from Warner Brothers were like,

[01:16:00] [SPEAKER_09]: what?

[01:16:00] [SPEAKER_09]: You like Superman?

[01:16:02] [SPEAKER_09]: Hey, Rich, why don't you come on in and we'll just,

[01:16:03] [SPEAKER_09]: you know, we won't get hacked, you know,

[01:16:07] [SPEAKER_09]: Salka, Salka's were like, you know, okay, bring him in.

[01:16:10] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[01:16:10] [SPEAKER_09]: And we won't have a, we won't have, we can't bring you

[01:16:13] [SPEAKER_09]: back Gene Hackman because he still pissed at us.

[01:16:15] [SPEAKER_09]: Margot Kidder will just make a quick cameo,

[01:16:17] [SPEAKER_09]: but we'll bring in a netto tool because she's going to play

[01:16:20] [SPEAKER_09]: Lana Lang, who everybody knows in the comic books.

[01:16:22] [SPEAKER_09]: And then they were actually doing Supergirl at that time too.

[01:16:28] [SPEAKER_09]: And Supergirl was just, I don't know what to make of Supergirl.

[01:16:34] [SPEAKER_09]: They just overrun themselves.

[01:16:35] [SPEAKER_09]: Hell, the player was great as Supergirl.

[01:16:37] [SPEAKER_09]: That's what you know, really docked it out of the park.

[01:16:42] [SPEAKER_09]: You know?

[01:16:43] [SPEAKER_09]: But yet again.

[01:16:44] [SPEAKER_11]: And I feel sorry for Helen Shaver because she has been

[01:16:47] [SPEAKER_11]: a decent actress and so many other things, but yeah,

[01:16:49] [SPEAKER_11]: you can't do anything if people aren't going to frame you

[01:16:52] [SPEAKER_11]: the right way and actors aren't,

[01:16:54] [SPEAKER_11]: the other cast isn't going to take it seriously

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_11]: and throw the tone off.

[01:16:57] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, you know, Brenda, the car tells the story out.

[01:17:00] [SPEAKER_09]: They were doing Supergirl and she was walking out.

[01:17:04] [SPEAKER_09]: They were walking out and there's fate.

[01:17:06] [SPEAKER_09]: Don't think that way.

[01:17:07] [SPEAKER_09]: I thought she was like the star of the movie.

[01:17:09] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[01:17:11] [SPEAKER_11]: You know, they had a long story short.

[01:17:12] [SPEAKER_11]: I knew someone who was basically kind of a hack producer.

[01:17:17] [SPEAKER_11]: I won't name them because I don't want to be sued, but.

[01:17:19] [SPEAKER_11]: Okay.

[01:17:20] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, the long story short.

[01:17:21] [SPEAKER_11]: She worked with Don't Away on some stupid indie movie and long

[01:17:26] [SPEAKER_11]: story short, Don't Away was just like,

[01:17:28] [SPEAKER_11]: just because she didn't like the PA just would throw any of the

[01:17:31] [SPEAKER_11]: food just out of your trailer.

[01:17:34] [SPEAKER_09]: And, and, and, you know, friend of the car said, you know,

[01:17:38] [SPEAKER_09]: if you watch the friend of the car with your view with

[01:17:41] [SPEAKER_09]: Gilbert Godfrey, which is like the last one he did.

[01:17:43] [SPEAKER_09]: She tells, she tells the story about what it was like working

[01:17:46] [SPEAKER_09]: with her because she was a big Superman fan.

[01:17:49] [SPEAKER_09]: No, well, he was, but I don't think he was more than he was.

[01:17:54] [SPEAKER_09]: He was.

[01:17:55] [SPEAKER_09]: Wait, I take it back.

[01:17:57] [SPEAKER_09]: He was in Superman Superboy.

[01:17:59] [SPEAKER_09]: He played Nick Mac and then he played Mrs.

[01:18:03] [SPEAKER_09]: Picklick or what I used to call Mr.

[01:18:05] [SPEAKER_09]: Mr. Missalplick and then he played Mr.

[01:18:07] [SPEAKER_09]: Mr. Missalplick and then he played Missalplicks is superior

[01:18:12] [SPEAKER_09]: with the bellow the ghost he voice.

[01:18:16] [SPEAKER_09]: And you've got it.

[01:18:17] [SPEAKER_09]: You got to find it online.

[01:18:18] [SPEAKER_09]: It's hilarious because he does the.

[01:18:19] [SPEAKER_09]: The ghost he voice, but the thing that gets me is like,

[01:18:23] [SPEAKER_09]: you know, the Superman two and three were just not off.

[01:18:28] [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, you know, granted, there's the one part of

[01:18:31] [SPEAKER_09]: Superman three that I love where he fights.

[01:18:33] [SPEAKER_09]: He fights himself at the end.

[01:18:34] [SPEAKER_09]: He fights himself in the clone.

[01:18:36] [SPEAKER_09]: That's like the only thing we'll thought out.

[01:18:38] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, but they didn't want to get Gene Hackman back

[01:18:42] [SPEAKER_09]: because he was, you know, as I said,

[01:18:44] [SPEAKER_09]: he was a lot of the people were still pissed at the

[01:18:47] [SPEAKER_09]: salt kinds for doing what they did to Dick Donner,

[01:18:49] [SPEAKER_09]: because Dick Donner basically had that baby in the can.

[01:18:54] [SPEAKER_09]: And then they just said, you know, you're going over budget.

[01:18:58] [SPEAKER_09]: We're going to bring in Richard Glastry to be an in-between.

[01:19:00] [SPEAKER_09]: And then, you know, the reviews for Superman two were great.

[01:19:04] [SPEAKER_09]: Did read part three. Who directed part three?

[01:19:07] [SPEAKER_09]: It was Richard. It was Richard Glastry.

[01:19:09] [SPEAKER_11]: Okay.

[01:19:09] [SPEAKER_11]: Richard Glastry was still there. Okay.

[01:19:12] [SPEAKER_11]: Got you.

[01:19:12] [SPEAKER_09]: Lester was Richard Lester did part two and part three.

[01:19:15] [SPEAKER_09]: Cause it would part two. You had this,

[01:19:17] [SPEAKER_09]: I think you had to be like 45% of the movie.

[01:19:20] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[01:19:21] [SPEAKER_07]: That's what Donner estimated.

[01:19:23] [SPEAKER_09]: About 55% of the movie to get a direct royal credit.

[01:19:25] [SPEAKER_09]: So he shot a lot of the scenes and Superman,

[01:19:29] [SPEAKER_09]: the quest for peace.

[01:19:30] [SPEAKER_09]: As I said, I wrote about it and I think you might've read it.

[01:19:33] [SPEAKER_09]: Tom and you might've read it Cameron.

[01:19:35] [SPEAKER_09]: It almost killed it killed that franchise.

[01:19:38] [SPEAKER_09]: And it would take Batman to bring comic books back.

[01:19:43] [SPEAKER_09]: And even that went downhill.

[01:19:46] [SPEAKER_09]: You know,

[01:19:46] [SPEAKER_11]: the whole story behind the nuclear man actor.

[01:19:49] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. He was just some guy they thought he was a Nails guy

[01:19:52] [SPEAKER_11]: and he now owns a private law firm.

[01:19:56] [SPEAKER_11]: And he's like, yeah, I'm a nuclear man.

[01:19:56] Yeah.

[01:19:59] [SPEAKER_09]: And Mark Pillow was interviewed.

[01:20:01] [SPEAKER_09]: He's like, yeah, they just said,

[01:20:02] [SPEAKER_09]: you want to play the nuclear man? He's like, yeah, sure.

[01:20:05] [SPEAKER_09]: So, you know, he worked with Christopher Reeve.

[01:20:08] [SPEAKER_09]: He liked working with them.

[01:20:10] [SPEAKER_09]: But there's a scene where they have the first nuclear man.

[01:20:13] [SPEAKER_09]: If you ever heard that story.

[01:20:16] [SPEAKER_09]: It's, it's, it's an EJ fury.

[01:20:19] [SPEAKER_09]: An EJ fury directed it.

[01:20:22] [SPEAKER_09]: And I'm not putting anything in city J Fury because he's a great director.

[01:20:26] [SPEAKER_11]: I got no issues.

[01:20:27] [SPEAKER_11]: I've always loved seeing his various dog,

[01:20:29] [SPEAKER_11]: longer movies, the boys and company C and everything.

[01:20:32] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[01:20:33] [SPEAKER_09]: When I read his, when I read his, you know,

[01:20:34] [SPEAKER_09]: Joe's too, I was like, he did just, holy shit.

[01:20:37] [SPEAKER_09]: You know,

[01:20:38] [SPEAKER_09]: No, no, no, no, no.

[01:20:39] [SPEAKER_09]: Hold up.

[01:20:41] [SPEAKER_11]: He did just to,

[01:20:42] [SPEAKER_11]: I know it's,

[01:20:44] [SPEAKER_11]: I wish it was.

[01:20:45] [SPEAKER_11]: It's, it's this other guy who did a lot of universal TV,

[01:20:48] [SPEAKER_11]: Genek,

[01:20:48] [SPEAKER_08]: Jean Swarke,

[01:20:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Jean Swarke, the French.

[01:20:54] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[01:20:55] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[01:20:57] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm sorry.

[01:20:58] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm sorry.

[01:20:59] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm sorry.

[01:21:00] [SPEAKER_11]: No, it's not the same kind of Canadian French for hire.

[01:21:03] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[01:21:03] [SPEAKER_11]: Kind of filmmaker.

[01:21:04] [SPEAKER_09]: But the thing with Sydney J Fury was, you know, he was,

[01:21:07] [SPEAKER_09]: he was brought in.

[01:21:09] [SPEAKER_09]: They had to shoot it.

[01:21:10] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, even, even at some point, like they're going like,

[01:21:12] [SPEAKER_09]: yeah, we're not, this isn't going to do good at all.

[01:21:16] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, this is going to be, it opens,

[01:21:18] [SPEAKER_09]: it doesn't make the money back it's supposed to,

[01:21:20] [SPEAKER_09]: and they, they just closed the franchise.

[01:21:22] [SPEAKER_09]: They were going to do a fifth one.

[01:21:25] [SPEAKER_09]: And unfortunately, you know, Christopher Reeve had his accident.

[01:21:31] [SPEAKER_09]: But, you know, Warner Brothers said, okay,

[01:21:33] [SPEAKER_09]: we can wait on this and we're going to see where things go.

[01:21:38] [SPEAKER_09]: And, you know, Batman all of a sudden took off with,

[01:21:41] [SPEAKER_09]: you know, the Dark Knight Returns.

[01:21:43] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, that even the, but even the Batman series.

[01:21:48] [SPEAKER_09]: Took a downturn with Schumacher taking over nothing against

[01:21:52] [SPEAKER_09]: Schumacher.

[01:21:54] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, great director did some really good movies.

[01:21:56] [SPEAKER_09]: But those two movies, you know, Batman and Robin and Batman,

[01:22:00] [SPEAKER_09]: Batman forever forever.

[01:22:05] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[01:22:06] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, I think the movie is a little bit of a seizure watching

[01:22:08] [SPEAKER_09]: because they're just so big and bright.

[01:22:10] [SPEAKER_08]: And I'm like, Christ, you know, cut the colors down pal, you know,

[01:22:15] [SPEAKER_08]: you know, Batman has his own pretty poor.

[01:22:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:22:21] [SPEAKER_06]: He never really used the backseat without it.

[01:22:27] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm also going to.

[01:22:30] [SPEAKER_06]: This year kind of related because of the franchise, but they come

[01:22:35] [SPEAKER_06]: out from different perspectives.

[01:22:37] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm talking about the original Plano Yates and the new planner.

[01:22:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:22:42] [SPEAKER_07]: The first one has one.

[01:22:45] [SPEAKER_06]: No, I'm at all.

[01:22:46] [SPEAKER_06]: But it's nominal that we have beneath the plan of the apes.

[01:22:51] [SPEAKER_06]: It took a nose dive.

[01:22:53] [SPEAKER_06]: I it's one of those that I've I try to watch every so often and

[01:22:57] [SPEAKER_06]: I never I can't get through it.

[01:23:00] [SPEAKER_06]: But then it starts building back up again.

[01:23:03] [SPEAKER_06]: And then yeah,

[01:23:05] [SPEAKER_06]: you can go to the.

[01:23:07] [SPEAKER_06]: It's too.

[01:23:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Conquit.

[01:23:08] [SPEAKER_11]: It really is robotic.

[01:23:10] [SPEAKER_11]: Like you don't get any of Burton's usual style.

[01:23:12] [SPEAKER_11]: You don't even know why they hired him for that.

[01:23:14] [SPEAKER_11]: And again, yeah, no, I love Rick Baker death.

[01:23:18] [SPEAKER_11]: I hate how he got a bad deal and just said, Hey, screw you, Hollywood.

[01:23:21] [SPEAKER_11]: You're just not paying me enough or giving me any one who knows

[01:23:25] [SPEAKER_11]: how this whole process.

[01:23:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, works.

[01:23:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Tom planning.

[01:23:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, the plan.

[01:23:31] [SPEAKER_06]: The Tim Burton plan.

[01:23:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Absolutely unwatchable.

[01:23:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh yeah.

[01:23:38] [SPEAKER_06]: As a fan of the original series.

[01:23:41] [SPEAKER_06]: I was.

[01:23:42] [SPEAKER_06]: I was into it.

[01:23:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:23:44] [SPEAKER_06]: It was.

[01:23:46] [SPEAKER_06]: It was drag.

[01:23:47] [SPEAKER_06]: It was the only thing.

[01:23:49] [SPEAKER_06]: The only redeeming factor was that it did have a cameo by

[01:23:53] [SPEAKER_06]: Charles and Heston.

[01:23:55] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I think that's giving it too much credit, but I'm fair enough.

[01:23:58] [SPEAKER_11]: I,

[01:23:58] [SPEAKER_09]: but at Linda Harrison was in it too.

[01:24:01] [SPEAKER_09]: Nova was in it.

[01:24:02] [SPEAKER_09]: She played the old woman in the cart.

[01:24:05] [SPEAKER_09]: When they capture Mark Wahlberg.

[01:24:07] [SPEAKER_11]: Real.

[01:24:08] [SPEAKER_11]: That was my issue too.

[01:24:10] [SPEAKER_11]: I was like, I'm not going to do it.

[01:24:10] [SPEAKER_11]: Like just like early J. Lo.

[01:24:12] [SPEAKER_11]: I was just never keen on early Mark.

[01:24:14] [SPEAKER_11]: He marked just because it was like ice cube.

[01:24:17] [SPEAKER_11]: He just, they would throw him in there and he wouldn't take any

[01:24:19] [SPEAKER_11]: direction from the.

[01:24:21] [SPEAKER_11]: Billmakers and.

[01:24:23] [SPEAKER_11]: It sucked because.

[01:24:26] [SPEAKER_11]: I wanted to see it just out of curiosity.

[01:24:28] [SPEAKER_11]: You know, critics were mixed.

[01:24:30] [SPEAKER_11]: Roger Ebert was like the only one who thought the ending had

[01:24:32] [SPEAKER_11]: any kind of thought, but see that was why the general public

[01:24:35] [SPEAKER_11]: thought it was stupid.

[01:24:37] [SPEAKER_11]: My father was like, whatever you don't watch that.

[01:24:39] [SPEAKER_11]: I know you like special effects movies.

[01:24:40] [SPEAKER_11]: My mother who was.

[01:24:43] [SPEAKER_11]: Not well read up on that franchise.

[01:24:45] [SPEAKER_11]: I just thought that was the only version of Planet of the Apes.

[01:24:47] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm like, heavens no.

[01:24:49] [SPEAKER_07]: No.

[01:24:51] [SPEAKER_11]: And my, my uncles were mixed on it and it was hard to get a

[01:24:54] [SPEAKER_11]: reading from them because they like anything sci-fi, good or bad.

[01:24:57] [SPEAKER_11]: So I was stranded in the middle of this fucking movie.

[01:25:00] [SPEAKER_11]: And yeah, I can't recommend it at all.

[01:25:03] [SPEAKER_09]: But I'm like, I'm not sure.

[01:25:03] I'm not sure.

[01:25:03] I'm not sure.

[01:25:03] [SPEAKER_09]: The way the way I see it is, you know.

[01:25:06] [SPEAKER_09]: Planet of the Apes. The first one in 68 is a great movie. Right.

[01:25:11] [SPEAKER_09]: This, the beneath the plan of the Apes. Okay.

[01:25:14] [SPEAKER_09]: They had their budget cut. You know, you can tell the monkey.

[01:25:16] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, the monkey master there and everything like that.

[01:25:18] [SPEAKER_09]: And it's kind of like they kind of go, okay.

[01:25:23] [SPEAKER_09]: The ending, you know, working where do we go from here?

[01:25:25] [SPEAKER_09]: So then they do escape from Planet of the Apes.

[01:25:29] [SPEAKER_09]: It's not, it's a lot better.

[01:25:32] [SPEAKER_09]: And then they do conquest.

[01:25:35] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[01:25:35] [SPEAKER_09]: And I think battle for Planet of the Apes.

[01:25:37] [SPEAKER_09]: There's a non-cut version of it now in the Blue Ray set.

[01:25:40] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. Yeah.

[01:25:41] [SPEAKER_09]: Battle for Planet of the Apes.

[01:25:44] [SPEAKER_09]: Phenomenal. And there's a cut scene there where, where you're

[01:25:46] [SPEAKER_09]: watching, you watch the one part where they're like, should we

[01:25:49] [SPEAKER_09]: use the bomb or not?

[01:25:51] [SPEAKER_09]: And you're thinking yourself, okay. Now, you know,

[01:25:54] [SPEAKER_09]: and you think about the, you know, the, the, uh, has line

[01:25:56] [SPEAKER_09]: timeline, you know.

[01:25:57] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, you know, will it repeat itself over and over again?

[01:26:00] [SPEAKER_09]: And then they've done the last couple of versions of Planet

[01:26:03] [SPEAKER_09]: of the Apes where there's a lot of callbacks to the original

[01:26:06] [SPEAKER_09]: because I think the guys, the guys were, we're going, the

[01:26:10] [SPEAKER_09]: part where Caesar comes on the horse and he's got the rifle

[01:26:15] [SPEAKER_09]: in the air.

[01:26:16] [SPEAKER_09]: My buddy wants you to see that people were cheering because

[01:26:19] [SPEAKER_09]: they remember that.

[01:26:20] [SPEAKER_09]: They remember that from the series at the end when the

[01:26:23] [SPEAKER_09]: Ape had the, you know, the, the, the rifle in the air.

[01:26:27] [SPEAKER_09]: Cause everybody loves that severe series.

[01:26:29] [SPEAKER_09]: And I think that'll set up the TV series to be honest with you.

[01:26:33] [SPEAKER_11]: It really did.

[01:26:34] [SPEAKER_11]: You know, yeah.

[01:26:34] [SPEAKER_11]: It was a great comic if you can find it from Titan that

[01:26:37] [SPEAKER_11]: apparently makes it in a way they kind of help figure out

[01:26:44] [SPEAKER_11]: just how to combine it with the show.

[01:26:47] [SPEAKER_11]: Any plot holes of who else was in the bunker beneath

[01:26:50] [SPEAKER_11]: as well as find a creative way to actually tie it in with the

[01:26:54] [SPEAKER_11]: reboot trilogy.

[01:26:55] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[01:26:56] [SPEAKER_11]: It's really solid.

[01:26:57] [SPEAKER_11]: Cause yeah, every, even the people who still work on it at

[01:27:01] [SPEAKER_11]: Marvel and everything that they're on the same boat where

[01:27:05] [SPEAKER_11]: they just are like making zero mentions of the 2001 movie.

[01:27:09] [SPEAKER_11]: There's just no debating it.

[01:27:11] [SPEAKER_11]: You know, it doesn't work at all.

[01:27:15] [SPEAKER_09]: Tim Burton dipped his hands.

[01:27:17] [SPEAKER_09]: And I'm sorry.

[01:27:18] [SPEAKER_09]: I love Tim Burton as a filmmaker.

[01:27:20] [SPEAKER_09]: He's going to make Beetlejuice too.

[01:27:22] [SPEAKER_09]: Thank God.

[01:27:25] [SPEAKER_09]: But when he did play of the apes, I always had such hopes for it.

[01:27:29] [SPEAKER_09]: And then I watched it and I walked out of that movie theater and I went

[01:27:33] [SPEAKER_09]: money back and my girlfriend at the time, my ex-wife,

[01:27:38] [SPEAKER_09]: my girlfriend at the time, she was like, what'd you think?

[01:27:42] [SPEAKER_09]: And I was like, I'm going to go home.

[01:27:44] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm going to get the movies and I'm going to watch them.

[01:27:47] [SPEAKER_09]: Watch them back to back to back.

[01:27:49] [SPEAKER_09]: And then I'm going to watch the TV series and then I'm going to go,

[01:27:52] [SPEAKER_09]: then I'm going to go up and find Tim Burton and I'm going to slap

[01:27:55] [SPEAKER_09]: him in the face.

[01:27:57] [SPEAKER_09]: You know,

[01:27:58] [SPEAKER_09]: and I'm like, I'm like, you should not have left Batman.

[01:28:01] [SPEAKER_09]: You know.

[01:28:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[01:28:03] [SPEAKER_06]: And I will throw in a related plug.

[01:28:07] [SPEAKER_06]: There was a crossover event between the original Star Trek.

[01:28:10] [SPEAKER_06]: And that's a great call the climate director.

[01:28:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yes.

[01:28:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Find it.

[01:28:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Read it.

[01:28:18] [SPEAKER_06]: It's a great read.

[01:28:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh yeah.

[01:28:21] [SPEAKER_11]: There's several other planet age things and I'm just glad that they

[01:28:24] [SPEAKER_11]: still have honored it.

[01:28:25] [SPEAKER_11]: Like enough people have read the right act and said, hey,

[01:28:27] [SPEAKER_11]: this is what Fox should be proud of remaster them.

[01:28:30] [SPEAKER_11]: I think some of them are on Disney plus in Canada,

[01:28:33] [SPEAKER_11]: but I'm just glad that people are re embracing them.

[01:28:36] [SPEAKER_11]: Like, if you're going to watch new Mission Impossible,

[01:28:39] [SPEAKER_11]: new Star Trek, please watch the older ones.

[01:28:42] [SPEAKER_11]: After seeing the new stuff and this is this movie.

[01:28:45] [SPEAKER_11]: This 2001 movie did not do that because it was,

[01:28:48] [SPEAKER_11]: I didn't know what it wanted to be.

[01:28:50] [SPEAKER_11]: Fortunately, it didn't set it up for sequel,

[01:28:52] [SPEAKER_11]: but that was also kind of the worst part in that it,

[01:28:55] [SPEAKER_11]: you just didn't know what you had watched.

[01:28:57] [SPEAKER_11]: You've just felt like it was like the stupidest,

[01:29:00] [SPEAKER_11]: like lesser Twilight Zone episode and the ending didn't have

[01:29:04] [SPEAKER_11]: any bite to it.

[01:29:05] [SPEAKER_11]: It was just meant to shock,

[01:29:06] [SPEAKER_11]: but there was nothing to latch onto.

[01:29:08] [SPEAKER_11]: You're just like, what happened?

[01:29:09] [SPEAKER_09]: Nothing.

[01:29:10] [SPEAKER_09]: What happened?

[01:29:11] [SPEAKER_09]: Were they on, you know, they were in another planet and the

[01:29:13] [SPEAKER_09]: planning.

[01:29:15] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I was just kind of like, what the fuck is going on here?

[01:29:18] [SPEAKER_11]: You know, but yeah.

[01:29:19] [SPEAKER_11]: The movie started being too much like the Matrix or Total

[01:29:21] [SPEAKER_11]: Recall.

[01:29:22] [SPEAKER_11]: That's where I was like, see,

[01:29:23] [SPEAKER_11]: but you don't know why those movies worked.

[01:29:26] [SPEAKER_11]: You just are looking at the shocking moments on TV and

[01:29:29] [SPEAKER_11]: saying, oh, we could do something like that.

[01:29:31] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, but yeah, it doesn't suit the movie.

[01:29:34] [SPEAKER_06]: And that's a thing that we can really take from the original

[01:29:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Planet of the Apes.

[01:29:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Just because you have one bad movie does not necessarily mean

[01:29:42] [SPEAKER_06]: that you got to continue down that route.

[01:29:45] [SPEAKER_06]: You can actually build on it.

[01:29:47] [SPEAKER_06]: I will maintain to this day that Conquest of the Planet

[01:29:50] [SPEAKER_06]: is one of my favorite of the original series.

[01:29:55] [SPEAKER_11]: We will talk about it.

[01:29:56] [SPEAKER_11]: I swear we will, but it is.

[01:29:58] [SPEAKER_11]: We have to.

[01:29:58] [SPEAKER_06]: We have to.

[01:30:02] [SPEAKER_09]: Ending Tom that they put in originally.

[01:30:06] [SPEAKER_09]: That is scary.

[01:30:08] [SPEAKER_09]: That is.

[01:30:10] [SPEAKER_09]: It gave me the, and Tom, you've seen the,

[01:30:13] [SPEAKER_09]: the, the, the tacked on ending and the original ending.

[01:30:16] [SPEAKER_09]: And the original ending where Caesar just basically just gives

[01:30:20] [SPEAKER_09]: the order to just do them in.

[01:30:23] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm like, holy fuck man.

[01:30:26] [SPEAKER_11]: He's a bastard at that point.

[01:30:28] [SPEAKER_11]: He's like, he's like, yeah.

[01:30:30] [SPEAKER_09]: And then they, then they have it where, you know,

[01:30:32] [SPEAKER_09]: he's like, well, we'll knock it. We're not going to do that now.

[01:30:35] [SPEAKER_09]: We're going to, you know, we will work with humans and see, you

[01:30:38] [SPEAKER_09]: know, but this is the plant, you know,

[01:30:40] [SPEAKER_09]: the time has come for the planet of the Apes.

[01:30:42] [SPEAKER_09]: And I'm like, I'm like, okay, this works more for me.

[01:30:47] [SPEAKER_09]: The first one worked for me because it showed you this is

[01:30:50] [SPEAKER_09]: what happens when you, I'm going to use some real life when

[01:30:53] [SPEAKER_09]: you fuck around with people that are fucking,

[01:30:56] [SPEAKER_09]: that are any, any person.

[01:30:58] [SPEAKER_09]: It won't take anymore.

[01:31:00] [SPEAKER_09]: And they're going to, they're going to put you under the,

[01:31:03] [SPEAKER_09]: put you under the bus, you know,

[01:31:06] [SPEAKER_09]: and that's the one.

[01:31:07] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[01:31:07] [SPEAKER_09]: Conquest, you know,

[01:31:09] [SPEAKER_06]: that the original conquest for me is one of my favorite of the

[01:31:12] [SPEAKER_06]: original series because it had so many layers to it.

[01:31:17] [SPEAKER_06]: The new one I absolutely loved.

[01:31:19] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, as, as I've watched the newer ones,

[01:31:23] [SPEAKER_06]: I started to forgive Tim Burton a little bit.

[01:31:28] [SPEAKER_06]: But because the other movies have taken that,

[01:31:32] [SPEAKER_06]: one of the lessons from the flop and built a mythos that

[01:31:39] [SPEAKER_06]: honors the original while taking it in a direction that you

[01:31:44] [SPEAKER_11]: maybe hadn't thought about.

[01:31:45] [SPEAKER_11]: You could coexist in it.

[01:31:47] [SPEAKER_11]: They say it's not, but hey, that's,

[01:31:49] [SPEAKER_11]: they don't reject any of the notions.

[01:31:51] [SPEAKER_11]: And again, they knew how to blend just bringing in what Wita who

[01:31:57] [SPEAKER_11]: again, like Lord of the Rings will not compromise.

[01:32:00] [SPEAKER_11]: They will make sure every time the visuals are telling the

[01:32:02] [SPEAKER_11]: story.

[01:32:02] [SPEAKER_11]: That's where I like both them and Pixar.

[01:32:04] [SPEAKER_11]: They are some of the few who realize,

[01:32:07] [SPEAKER_11]: Hey, you can't, you know,

[01:32:10] [SPEAKER_11]: you can't shorten either side of this.

[01:32:12] [SPEAKER_11]: You've got to make it all matter.

[01:32:14] [SPEAKER_11]: You got to make it all.

[01:32:15] [SPEAKER_11]: You know, if you take a shortcut on one's going to suffer versus

[01:32:19] [SPEAKER_11]: the other, like the acting might be great,

[01:32:20] [SPEAKER_11]: but the story now makes no sense because you cut out five scenes.

[01:32:24] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[01:32:24] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[01:32:25] [SPEAKER_11]: Or you won't do this one visual sequence,

[01:32:27] [SPEAKER_11]: which tells you everything you need to know in five sec.

[01:32:30] [SPEAKER_11]: You know, seconds that could.

[01:32:34] [SPEAKER_09]: I'll give you a case of a point where a movie was great and

[01:32:38] [SPEAKER_09]: you know, the sequel is kind of like meh.

[01:32:40] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[01:32:42] [SPEAKER_09]: True grit.

[01:32:43] [SPEAKER_09]: The original John Wayne movie.

[01:32:45] [SPEAKER_09]: There you go.

[01:32:46] [SPEAKER_09]: And then they do Rooster Cogburn with him and Katie Hepburn.

[01:32:50] [SPEAKER_09]: Yep.

[01:32:51] [SPEAKER_09]: That's a fun one.

[01:32:52] [SPEAKER_09]: And it's kind of like, all right,

[01:32:54] [SPEAKER_09]: he had to come back one more time to do that role.

[01:32:56] [SPEAKER_09]: You know,

[01:32:57] [SPEAKER_09]: Catherine Hepburn and him are not exactly, you know,

[01:33:00] [SPEAKER_09]: they're getting up there and, you know,

[01:33:03] [SPEAKER_09]: John Wayne to me is like, you know,

[01:33:05] [SPEAKER_09]: he's great American actor, but real asshole in real life.

[01:33:09] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[01:33:10] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[01:33:10] [SPEAKER_11]: But especially funny how he was friends with the Clint Eastwood and

[01:33:13] [SPEAKER_11]: yet all he would do is just talk trash about spaghetti Westerns.

[01:33:16] [SPEAKER_11]: They're too old to have the cold.

[01:33:17] [SPEAKER_09]: Like, like three.

[01:33:19] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[01:33:20] [SPEAKER_09]: Great case of, you know, but that's a movie like, you know,

[01:33:24] [SPEAKER_09]: Rooster Cogburn, you're kind of like, oh,

[01:33:27] [SPEAKER_09]: it's back as Rooster Cogburn.

[01:33:29] [SPEAKER_09]: Surprise.

[01:33:30] [SPEAKER_09]: The eye patch. Yeah.

[01:33:31] [SPEAKER_09]: Gee, gee, the eye patch again Duke.

[01:33:34] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh boy, this is going to be fun. You know,

[01:33:36] [SPEAKER_09]: I just, I've watched it and true grit is great.

[01:33:39] [SPEAKER_09]: Rooster Cogburn falls flat because I can't say Catherine

[01:33:43] [SPEAKER_09]: Hepburn going, that's shooting at us.

[01:33:45] [SPEAKER_09]: That's shooting at us. You know, I'm like, oh Jesus.

[01:33:48] [SPEAKER_11]: It was okay action, but the villain is really,

[01:33:50] [SPEAKER_11]: really lame in this movie.

[01:33:52] [SPEAKER_11]: Like, yeah, I still,

[01:33:53] [SPEAKER_11]: I could understand if it's a greedy land baron or someone

[01:33:56] [SPEAKER_11]: being a hammy evil sheriff,

[01:33:58] [SPEAKER_11]: but yeah, I still like,

[01:34:00] [SPEAKER_11]: I saw it completely on cut with grandparents who are all

[01:34:04] [SPEAKER_11]: in the westerns and everything.

[01:34:05] [SPEAKER_11]: And I was just like, this is entertaining,

[01:34:07] [SPEAKER_11]: but I'm very, very pissed off at the same time.

[01:34:10] [SPEAKER_11]: What is going on?

[01:34:11] [SPEAKER_11]: Why does he want them dead?

[01:34:12] [SPEAKER_11]: What did I miss?

[01:34:13] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm paying attention.

[01:34:14] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, the thing,

[01:34:16] [SPEAKER_09]: the thing that gets me too is like,

[01:34:17] [SPEAKER_09]: you want to hear a movie that bombed and it ruined,

[01:34:20] [SPEAKER_09]: it literally ruined.

[01:34:22] [SPEAKER_09]: Um,

[01:34:23] [SPEAKER_09]: an American icon.

[01:34:25] [SPEAKER_09]: Was the lone Ranger.

[01:34:28] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh yes.

[01:34:30] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh my God.

[01:34:32] [SPEAKER_11]: He doubles Harrison Ford while doing the.

[01:34:34] [SPEAKER_11]: Epic truck chase and Raiders.

[01:34:37] [SPEAKER_11]: But before that,

[01:34:38] [SPEAKER_11]: he's doubling the lead in this long range.

[01:34:42] [SPEAKER_09]: Salisbury.

[01:34:43] [SPEAKER_11]: And it's just wild because.

[01:34:47] [SPEAKER_11]: You want to talk no version of the lone Ranger seems to work.

[01:34:51] [SPEAKER_11]: Don't get me wrong.

[01:34:51] [SPEAKER_11]: The Johnny Deversion is way worse.

[01:34:53] [SPEAKER_11]: But yeah,

[01:34:53] [SPEAKER_11]: this one is just very saddening to me because this could have

[01:34:56] [SPEAKER_11]: worked, but they chose instead.

[01:34:59] [SPEAKER_11]: So again,

[01:34:59] [SPEAKER_11]: just have all these interconnected stunts cut away from it.

[01:35:03] [SPEAKER_11]: So you don't really feel all that excited because it's going too fast.

[01:35:06] [SPEAKER_11]: And it, we saw these great talents.

[01:35:08] [SPEAKER_11]: Where, you know,

[01:35:10] [SPEAKER_09]: the story is in go here too.

[01:35:12] [SPEAKER_09]: And the background story where.

[01:35:14] [SPEAKER_09]: You know,

[01:35:15] [SPEAKER_09]: Clayton Moore was not allowed to wear the mask.

[01:35:18] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[01:35:19] [SPEAKER_09]: Because the producers thought those.

[01:35:22] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm going to say,

[01:35:23] [SPEAKER_09]: sorry, those fucking producers.

[01:35:25] [SPEAKER_09]: Who basically told Clayton more a fuck an icon.

[01:35:29] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, John Hart too, you know,

[01:35:31] [SPEAKER_09]: but they told Clayton more the man who was the lone Ranger.

[01:35:35] [SPEAKER_09]: And I'm sorry, you know, anyone can tell me, oh, is John Hart?

[01:35:38] [SPEAKER_09]: No, no, it was Clayton Moore.

[01:35:40] [SPEAKER_09]: Clayton Moore was the lone Ranger.

[01:35:42] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, through all those years with him and Jay Silverheels,

[01:35:46] [SPEAKER_09]: you know,

[01:35:48] [SPEAKER_09]: you know, Clayton Moore was not allowed to.

[01:35:50] [SPEAKER_09]: So he had to wear sunglasses.

[01:35:52] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh God.

[01:35:53] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, yeah,

[01:35:54] [SPEAKER_09]: wherever he went,

[01:35:55] [SPEAKER_09]: he had to wear those sunglasses.

[01:35:57] [SPEAKER_09]: And people, people basically said, no, let him wear the mask.

[01:36:00] [SPEAKER_09]: But the movie itself, it's like, you know, they have whale and Jennings,

[01:36:04] [SPEAKER_09]: you know, doing the, you know, it's the low Ranger.

[01:36:07] [SPEAKER_09]: No, no, no, I want to hear, I want to hear the 1812 overture.

[01:36:11] [SPEAKER_09]: And I want to hear a call of dust and a fiery high hoe silver.

[01:36:15] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, let us take it back to the days of yesterday or, you know,

[01:36:17] [SPEAKER_09]: I want to hear that. I want to hear that. You know,

[01:36:21] [SPEAKER_09]: I want to hear that.

[01:36:22] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't want to hear nothing against Merle Haggard.

[01:36:26] [SPEAKER_09]: But Jesus, I want to hear the low Ranger.

[01:36:28] [SPEAKER_09]: And I want, you know, I, you find out how he met Tonto and all that. Okay,

[01:36:31] [SPEAKER_09]: that's great.

[01:36:32] [SPEAKER_09]: But the movie was just so flat.

[01:36:36] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[01:36:36] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, it's just flat.

[01:36:38] [SPEAKER_11]: They, it's kind of like any lesser version of zero,

[01:36:41] [SPEAKER_11]: they will focus so much on a lot of really nothing.

[01:36:45] [SPEAKER_11]: Like just seems that should take half a minute.

[01:36:48] [SPEAKER_11]: You know, he's setting up his horse and everything and they just go on

[01:36:51] [SPEAKER_11]: and on and on and then they have Jason Robards and Lloyd and

[01:36:54] [SPEAKER_11]: all these other guys. And you're just like, good actor.

[01:36:56] [SPEAKER_11]: What are they doing here? Like,

[01:36:58] [SPEAKER_11]: Wild West.

[01:37:00] [SPEAKER_11]: I was going to mention that. Can we save that for next week?

[01:37:05] [SPEAKER_09]: Fuck with Wild Wild West. I'm sorry.

[01:37:08] [SPEAKER_11]: A great sci-fi western show.

[01:37:10] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[01:37:11] [SPEAKER_11]: You just make this stupid lethal weapon,

[01:37:14] [SPEAKER_11]: men in black mashup and you're just, you know,

[01:37:16] [SPEAKER_11]: it's one of those,

[01:37:17] [SPEAKER_11]: I would see parts of it on TV all the time,

[01:37:19] [SPEAKER_11]: not putting two into together.

[01:37:20] [SPEAKER_11]: And then you see the whole thing. You're like, someone signed off on this.

[01:37:26] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm sorry. What the hell?

[01:37:27] [SPEAKER_09]: You, the Kevin Smith story about the giant robot spider.

[01:37:31] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. I've seen the documentary.

[01:37:34] [SPEAKER_11]: It's just impurities me even more because that is probably the

[01:37:37] [SPEAKER_11]: biggest,

[01:37:38] [SPEAKER_11]: just worst part of the whole thing. Cause like, where did they come from?

[01:37:42] [SPEAKER_09]: My mom said the one thing she said is that if they had done Wild

[01:37:45] [SPEAKER_09]: Wild West,

[01:37:47] [SPEAKER_09]: it should have been. Okay. And she said this,

[01:37:51] [SPEAKER_09]: it should have been someone like Robert Conrad and someone like,

[01:37:56] [SPEAKER_09]: who's the guy who played Artemis Gordon?

[01:37:59] [SPEAKER_09]: Ross Martin.

[01:38:01] [SPEAKER_09]: Ross Martin. You should have had.

[01:38:03] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay. Kevin Klein was great as Artemis,

[01:38:06] [SPEAKER_09]: but you should have had someone who was tough enough to do.

[01:38:11] [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, James West. Okay, great. I can understand.

[01:38:14] [SPEAKER_09]: It's. Will Smith. He's coming off of this movie.

[01:38:17] [SPEAKER_09]: Even as a standalone, like, yeah, yeah.

[01:38:19] [SPEAKER_11]: You look at again,

[01:38:21] [SPEAKER_11]: just the Thomas brothers from predator and the rescue and all these other

[01:38:24] [SPEAKER_11]: 80s cult movies, but then again, like you had there,

[01:38:29] [SPEAKER_11]: they had their man in black director. So again, I get it.

[01:38:32] [SPEAKER_11]: They were trying to go for the comedy, but the leads don't click.

[01:38:35] [SPEAKER_11]: There's the leads don't click. John Peters asked them to have

[01:38:39] [SPEAKER_11]: a sex joke every other scene. Cause that's what a piggy.

[01:38:42] [SPEAKER_09]: The villain is played by Kenneth Branagh and they don't want to date.

[01:38:47] [SPEAKER_09]: It's Miguel Lido Lovelace.

[01:38:49] [SPEAKER_09]: Miguel Lido Lovelace was played by Michael Dunn, who was a great actor, you know, a short person, great actor.

[01:38:55] [SPEAKER_09]: He's been in tons of other movies.

[01:38:57] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, you didn't like Dr. Lovelace.

[01:38:58] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, fine.

[01:38:59] [SPEAKER_09]: Boom, you get him.

[01:39:00] [SPEAKER_09]: And then you got, you know, it's like I tried to figure out like when they did all those television movies, like Lost in Space.

[01:39:07] [SPEAKER_09]: Lost in Space, I didn't like.

[01:39:09] [SPEAKER_09]: And a lot of people were like, and I said, there's three words when I say Lost in Space the movie.

[01:39:15] [SPEAKER_09]: No, Jonathan Harris.

[01:39:17] [SPEAKER_09]: Jonathan Harris went on Conan O'Brien.

[01:39:20] [SPEAKER_09]: Conan O'Brien, did you see the new Lost in Space movie?

[01:39:23] [SPEAKER_09]: And Jonathan Harris gave him a look like, are you fucking kidding me?

[01:39:27] [SPEAKER_09]: He says, what do you think of Gary Oldham's role?

[01:39:28] [SPEAKER_09]: He says, I like Gary Oldham.

[01:39:31] [SPEAKER_09]: He's a good actor.

[01:39:33] [SPEAKER_09]: And I think he played the part well.

[01:39:36] [SPEAKER_09]: And it was just like, and that's all I'm going to say.

[01:39:39] [SPEAKER_09]: Because to me, Lost in Space is always going to be that family.

[01:39:46] [SPEAKER_09]: And Dr. Smith and the robot, and it's always going to be fun.

[01:39:50] [SPEAKER_09]: This was like, it was a very dark, dark, dark movie.

[01:39:55] [SPEAKER_09]: And I think when they did the Netflix series, it was better because they brought in Bill

[01:40:00] [SPEAKER_09]: Money to play in the real Dr. Smith as a tribute to Jonathan Harris.

[01:40:04] [SPEAKER_09]: Because him and Jonathan Harris were good friends.

[01:40:06] [SPEAKER_09]: He's a piano musician too, did you know?

[01:40:09] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[01:40:09] [SPEAKER_09]: He was in Barnes and Barnes.

[01:40:11] [SPEAKER_09]: He was in the fish heads.

[01:40:14] [SPEAKER_09]: But the thing for me is, I watched Lost in Space in the movies.

[01:40:18] [SPEAKER_09]: I walked out.

[01:40:20] [SPEAKER_09]: I was like, I don't want to see Joey from Friends.

[01:40:24] [SPEAKER_09]: What the hell is this all about?

[01:40:25] [SPEAKER_09]: And Heather Graham, like in the year later,

[01:40:28] [SPEAKER_11]: they were like, hey, you can just do awesome powers too.

[01:40:31] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, who I just saw naked in Boogie Nights.

[01:40:36] [SPEAKER_09]: And Mimi Rogers is the mom.

[01:40:39] [SPEAKER_09]: Jonathan, Jonathan, what's your name?

[01:40:44] [SPEAKER_09]: As the father.

[01:40:45] [SPEAKER_09]: William Hurt.

[01:40:46] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[01:40:47] [SPEAKER_09]: William Hurt is the father.

[01:40:48] [SPEAKER_09]: Excuse me.

[01:40:49] [SPEAKER_09]: And they got Lacey Sherbert, whatever her name is, as Judy and Penny.

[01:40:58] [SPEAKER_11]: Stephen Hawkins, who was always kind of Nightmare Five, Brother Two, Judgment Night.

[01:41:03] [SPEAKER_11]: And here he does this movie.

[01:41:04] [SPEAKER_11]: He's like, I don't know what the fuck we made.

[01:41:07] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[01:41:07] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't either.

[01:41:08] [SPEAKER_09]: And then you got Gary Oldham playing Dr. Smith, where I wanted him to be Dr. Smith.

[01:41:13] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, I'm Dr. Zachary Smith.

[01:41:15] [SPEAKER_09]: And it looks like he does not want to be there.

[01:41:17] [SPEAKER_09]: The whole goddamn movie.

[01:41:18] [SPEAKER_09]: The whole movie, he's just looking at going, I'm making a paycheck.

[01:41:21] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I did, you know, this is the movie where I make a paycheck.

[01:41:24] [SPEAKER_09]: And I know I did, I know I did, you know, the fifth element, which was

[01:41:27] [SPEAKER_09]: a really great movie.

[01:41:28] [SPEAKER_09]: I knew I did Hannibal.

[01:41:28] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm sorry.

[01:41:29] [SPEAKER_09]: I knew I did Hannibal.

[01:41:30] [SPEAKER_09]: I knew I did this.

[01:41:31] [SPEAKER_09]: And I know it was great.

[01:41:32] [SPEAKER_09]: I know it was great in JFKs, but I got to do this pilot dog shit.

[01:41:37] [SPEAKER_09]: And he's like, and I think that's where that's where he was like.

[01:41:39] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't think he answers any questions on it.

[01:41:41] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't think he makes a point.

[01:41:43] [SPEAKER_09]: No, because because remember, he started, he did Harry Potter, like not long after.

[01:41:47] [SPEAKER_11]: He didn't Harry Potter, but he also did Fifth Element, which for whatever reason,

[01:41:51] [SPEAKER_11]: I don't think he's ever seen it, but he doesn't like that one either.

[01:41:54] [SPEAKER_11]: And I think no, I think that's the thing he when he was just fresh off that

[01:41:59] [SPEAKER_11]: and the movie he really wanted to make didn't get made.

[01:42:01] [SPEAKER_11]: I think he just was just angry because he didn't know if Hollywood was going to be kind to him

[01:42:06] [SPEAKER_11]: or if he was just going to be generic sci-fi.

[01:42:09] [SPEAKER_09]: And I'm going to say this and I'm going to say this right now.

[01:42:11] [SPEAKER_09]: He is the best commissioner Gordon in that Batman series.

[01:42:16] [SPEAKER_09]: He is commissioner Gordon.

[01:42:18] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm sorry, but when he started doing when he got older and he started

[01:42:22] [SPEAKER_09]: doing these more older roles where he, you know, like Tinker's Taylor,

[01:42:25] [SPEAKER_09]: Soltar, Sailor's Tinker, Taylor, Soltar, Sailor, Spy.

[01:42:29] [SPEAKER_09]: And he did, you know, and he was doing the older roles where he doesn't want to get in

[01:42:32] [SPEAKER_09]: the makeup anymore.

[01:42:33] [SPEAKER_09]: He just wants to play, you know, I hope they do smiley's people,

[01:42:36] [SPEAKER_09]: which I think is a great book.

[01:42:38] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it is good.

[01:42:38] [SPEAKER_09]: Lost in space to me that killed that killed it.

[01:42:42] [SPEAKER_09]: Leave it to beaver.

[01:42:43] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay. That was fun to watch.

[01:42:45] [SPEAKER_09]: I forgot about that.

[01:42:46] [SPEAKER_09]: Dennis the menace.

[01:42:48] [SPEAKER_09]: Dennis the menace.

[01:42:50] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[01:42:51] [SPEAKER_09]: Coneheads.

[01:42:54] [SPEAKER_09]: Beverly Hillbillies.

[01:42:56] [SPEAKER_09]: Beverly Hillbillies was good.

[01:42:57] [SPEAKER_09]: I like the Beverly Hillbillies.

[01:42:58] [SPEAKER_09]: Jim Barney was good casting.

[01:43:01] [SPEAKER_09]: Jim Barney was good casting.

[01:43:02] [SPEAKER_11]: I haven't seen it a bunch, but it is.

[01:43:04] [SPEAKER_11]: It's a decent Sunday night watch.

[01:43:06] [SPEAKER_11]: It's kind of been that.

[01:43:08] [SPEAKER_11]: Can't be more Michael Keaton kind of way.

[01:43:10] [SPEAKER_11]: Just have fun.

[01:43:12] [SPEAKER_11]: Don't think too hard about it, but it's way better than anything else we saw in the show.

[01:43:17] [SPEAKER_09]: The thing I love about that movie is they have Lily Tomlin as

[01:43:22] [SPEAKER_09]: Lily Tomlin is playing.

[01:43:24] [SPEAKER_09]: Who's the secretary in that?

[01:43:28] [SPEAKER_09]: She's doing the section.

[01:43:30] [SPEAKER_09]: And then Miss Hatta.

[01:43:31] [SPEAKER_09]: The one-ringing thingy.

[01:43:32] [SPEAKER_09]: And then you have Chloris Leachman playing Granny, which was great tops.

[01:43:37] [SPEAKER_09]: You had Erica Lennyak, who was really funny in that.

[01:43:40] [SPEAKER_09]: And then they do a little, they do a throwback because they get

[01:43:45] [SPEAKER_09]: what should we call Buddy Epson in a cameo as Barnaby Jones.

[01:43:50] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[01:43:52] [SPEAKER_09]: I forgot about that.

[01:43:53] [SPEAKER_09]: And I thought to myself, I was like, okay, they've honored him.

[01:43:58] [SPEAKER_09]: They've honored.

[01:43:59] [SPEAKER_09]: They gave him the, because he's always going to be Jed Clamp.

[01:44:02] [SPEAKER_09]: But the thing I think that those 90s will make a TV series into a movie.

[01:44:11] [SPEAKER_09]: A lot of them just were like, oh, okay.

[01:44:14] [SPEAKER_11]: I can do it with the free Stooges, even though the modern humor is lame.

[01:44:19] [SPEAKER_09]: But the rest works pretty well, I think.

[01:44:22] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, there's one thing I've said about some movies like Brain Donors,

[01:44:27] [SPEAKER_09]: which is a March Brothers movie.

[01:44:29] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't think you guys have ever seen that movie.

[01:44:32] [SPEAKER_09]: John Tatoro, yeah.

[01:44:32] [SPEAKER_09]: I've seen it.

[01:44:33] [SPEAKER_09]: John Tatoro, Bob Nelson and...

[01:44:36] [SPEAKER_09]: But yeah, it's always on the video store favorite.

[01:44:39] [SPEAKER_09]: People just didn't get it, even though it's right on the wall.

[01:44:43] [SPEAKER_09]: It's a night at the opera, but nobody says anything.

[01:44:46] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, because you got Nancy Marchant playing the Mark or Dumont role.

[01:44:52] [SPEAKER_09]: And I'm watching this and I'm like going, this is the March Brothers.

[01:44:55] [SPEAKER_09]: And I actually have said...

[01:44:59] [SPEAKER_09]: In one second, it's a March Brothers movie, but it's a loving tribute to the March Brothers.

[01:45:03] [SPEAKER_09]: And if they had done a Groucho movie, John Tatoro would have been great as Groucho.

[01:45:07] [SPEAKER_09]: I would have presented him.

[01:45:09] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[01:45:10] [SPEAKER_11]: Because he's good at that straight face.

[01:45:12] [SPEAKER_11]: Hell, if he's just playing Bart and Fink doing Groucho, that is fine by me.

[01:45:14] [SPEAKER_11]: But don't, like you say, don't...

[01:45:18] [SPEAKER_11]: We're definitely going to have to continue this next week because there's just so many other duds

[01:45:23] [SPEAKER_11]: that material is there.

[01:45:25] [SPEAKER_09]: I think this is a two-parter we need to just jump in.

[01:45:31] [SPEAKER_11]: We absolutely do.

[01:45:32] [SPEAKER_11]: But people who are out there, just talk some sense into these producers.

[01:45:40] [SPEAKER_11]: No, if you want to make a good movie, just stick to your plan.

[01:45:44] [SPEAKER_11]: Tell them don't have any in-movie advertising.

[01:45:47] [SPEAKER_11]: Don't get someone who's recent or if they're recent, have them play a part they can actually fit

[01:45:51] [SPEAKER_11]: instead of, well, you have to pay the lead and you look nothing like them.

[01:45:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Now, Cam, there's a point here.

[01:46:00] [SPEAKER_06]: If they had any, since they wouldn't be producers.

[01:46:06] [SPEAKER_11]: Well, if Joel says we can figure out anything, it's possible.

[01:46:10] [SPEAKER_09]: I work with Irving Thalberg when we went to MGM in 1935 and we did the night at the opera

[01:46:20] [SPEAKER_09]: and then we did it at the races.

[01:46:23] [SPEAKER_09]: Now, a producer is somebody who comes up with an idea for a movie.

[01:46:28] [SPEAKER_09]: And the movies we did were pretty good.

[01:46:31] [SPEAKER_09]: We did that, then he died, then we went and did Room Savus, which was not a good movie.

[01:46:38] [SPEAKER_09]: And then we did at the circus and then Go West and then the big store.

[01:46:45] [SPEAKER_09]: And then we did a night in Casablanca because she don't need the money.

[01:46:52] [SPEAKER_09]: Just channeled that Groucho.

[01:46:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I think I saw something I just realized because of what we're dealing with here.

[01:47:00] [SPEAKER_06]: It's Goldblum Boys Groucho.

[01:47:02] [SPEAKER_06]: In the opera, we all have a green album called Day at the Races.

[01:47:05] [SPEAKER_06]: I thought they didn't do any other.

[01:47:07] [SPEAKER_09]: Day at the Rapers sounds like a great movie.

[01:47:09] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, Day at the Races.

[01:47:11] [SPEAKER_09]: That's Death Wish.

[01:47:14] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh God, we got to go with Death Wish.

[01:47:17] [SPEAKER_09]: We got to go over the Death Wish series when we do the next part because oh my God,

[01:47:22] [SPEAKER_09]: they went, they were trashy.

[01:47:25] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm Charris Branson.

[01:47:27] [SPEAKER_09]: I play an architect, Paul Kersey.

[01:47:30] [SPEAKER_09]: And I come back and I just blow people out of their shoes.

[01:47:33] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, I thought that's something interesting about him.

[01:47:36] [SPEAKER_09]: Any movie he did, part of his salary would go towards Jill Ireland, his wife.

[01:47:41] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh yeah.

[01:47:42] [SPEAKER_09]: He was dying of cancer.

[01:47:45] [SPEAKER_09]: So, you know, like when he brought her along half the time, he's like, I don't want to go away.

[01:47:49] [SPEAKER_09]: He's like, all right, give me like two million but give 500,000 to her.

[01:47:56] [SPEAKER_09]: She's got to get her treatments done and all that shit.

[01:47:59] [SPEAKER_11]: And I still have lost track of how many people would run into him just randomly.

[01:48:03] [SPEAKER_11]: And they're hand and even offered my food for him.

[01:48:09] [SPEAKER_11]: How you doing?

[01:48:10] [SPEAKER_09]: Good to see you.

[01:48:11] [SPEAKER_09]: How you doing?

[01:48:12] [SPEAKER_09]: You know,

[01:48:13] [SPEAKER_09]: Like a cold cut combo.

[01:48:15] [SPEAKER_09]: Like a cold cut combo.

[01:48:18] [SPEAKER_09]: Like a cold cut combo.

[01:48:19] [SPEAKER_09]: Heavy on the salami.

[01:48:21] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, my real name is Charles Pocowski.

[01:48:23] [SPEAKER_09]: Papakulio.

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