The Purge Film & TV Saga Review with Erica Wright (My Horrific Life) & Carmelita Valdez McCoy (Film Feast)

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[00:01:15] Welcome, welcome. We have returning guests as always, blogger Erica Wright.

[00:01:21] Thank you for having me again.

[00:01:23] Always an awesome time. Introducing to the show from Film Feast, we've got Carmelita Valdez. Welcome.

[00:01:30] Hello. Thank you so much for inviting me.

[00:01:34] You always do some round tables on that respective show, you know, everything from Ridley Scott to Michael Mann to just other divisive filmmakers, you know, it's.

[00:01:43] And here we are with a divisive film franchise.

[00:01:49] You could call this a synchology, I guess.

[00:01:53] Yeah, you could.

[00:01:55] I think that fits.

[00:01:56] We are in the depths of Blumhouse terror.

[00:02:00] Action, sci-fi, dystopia, horror, social commentary fueled purge saga from John McCaffrey.

[00:02:09] And this was actually a lot of fun to do some research for.

[00:02:14] As it is kind of a underrated kind of black social horror movie, and he actually has noted how minority audiences are pretty akin to it.

[00:02:28] Like they get all the messages and everything.

[00:02:31] So that was fun to kind of look at.

[00:02:35] And I did have to look up certain characters backstory because I knew it was complex.

[00:02:40] I mean, we got everything from.

[00:02:45] Uh, political assassinations to black panther turn revolutionaries.

[00:02:50] You know, it's.

[00:02:52] And something of.

[00:02:54] I've seen a lot of people who.

[00:02:57] Like these as light movies, I see other people who really love it, and then I see others who hate it, but they just saw like one of the lesser entries or whatever.

[00:03:05] And, uh, but it's funny how everyone knows about it, I think, because it's just the gimmick, the.

[00:03:11] It's easy to even make a parody of it.

[00:03:14] It's that kind of, you know, an annual event.

[00:03:17] Every crime you want to commit is illegal.

[00:03:20] It's a great idea.

[00:03:22] And.

[00:03:23] And yeah.

[00:03:24] Republicans who.

[00:03:26] Even if someone has never seen the films or only saw the first one and never went forward.

[00:03:31] Right.

[00:03:32] That concept, like the basic idea behind this.

[00:03:37] Everybody can understand.

[00:03:39] It's going to be interesting.

[00:03:41] I.

[00:03:41] I think.

[00:03:43] So I'm just going to tell you, I watched.

[00:03:45] All five purge movies over the weekend.

[00:03:48] Man.

[00:03:49] I went.

[00:03:52] I went.

[00:03:53] I was all in and watching them back to back like that.

[00:03:57] I was just really struck with.

[00:03:59] Hmm.

[00:04:00] How ballsy.

[00:04:02] Mm hmm.

[00:04:03] This franchise is.

[00:04:05] It's really ballsy to go.

[00:04:07] This hard.

[00:04:08] Man ish kind of the whole.

[00:04:10] We're eating ourselves alive.

[00:04:12] But instead of watching people kill each other on TV, we're actually.

[00:04:16] Just.

[00:04:16] We're just going committing crimes like the neighbor who you can't stand.

[00:04:19] What if you want to blow his brains out tomorrow and then take all this shit?

[00:04:23] Yeah.

[00:04:24] Yeah.

[00:04:24] What?

[00:04:25] So many.

[00:04:26] Crazy action sequences.

[00:04:28] And, you know, all of that, like survival type horror.

[00:04:32] People trying to make their way through a city downtown area and survive all these.

[00:04:38] Booby traps and.

[00:04:40] Yes.

[00:04:40] Coming out of the shadows.

[00:04:42] But there's all this great psychology in here to the psychology of the villains and

[00:04:46] psychology of the purgers.

[00:04:48] The psychology of the people trying to survive.

[00:04:50] I want to take your spouse.

[00:04:52] I want to take this house.

[00:04:53] It's like, no, it's even more than that.

[00:04:55] Like you wronged me at the company meeting five years ago.

[00:04:59] I was like, Jesus.

[00:05:00] Yeah.

[00:05:01] Like the, the, the grudges coming out for just obscure stuff.

[00:05:06] I definitely, I really resonate with kind of the political themes.

[00:05:11] Yeah.

[00:05:11] In this movie that it's really an excuse for the government to kill people who are on

[00:05:18] some form of public assistance or like just considered a drain on the system.

[00:05:23] They don't have to get an FBI subpoena with a shoot on site to basically take all these

[00:05:29] people down.

[00:05:30] It's, it's just sinister too.

[00:05:32] Cause it's just like how you see how nargs go after warring gangs and everything.

[00:05:38] But it was like, what if they all had permission to just do whatever.

[00:05:42] And the sequels do an interesting topic of, you know, now we're in Texas where no one honors

[00:05:49] any code.

[00:05:51] They're going to keep killing, but it's going to be for like 96 hours now.

[00:05:56] Uh, it is wild though, how so many political affiliations are targeted in this.

[00:06:01] And I haven't seen any of them raise their lip.

[00:06:04] Cause that almost, it's almost like the stars TV show power.

[00:06:07] You kind of get the sense that it has hit real deep.

[00:06:10] They don't want to bring any form of attention to it.

[00:06:13] They're like, Oh, how do you know my secrets?

[00:06:17] With my pants down.

[00:06:19] How dare you?

[00:06:21] I was just going to sign a bill like that into office.

[00:06:24] Oh, better think again.

[00:06:26] Better wait 10 years.

[00:06:27] Well, that I remember, I think it was, was it election year that had the keep America

[00:06:32] great slogan, but that came out before Donald Trump's re-election campaign where he used

[00:06:38] keep America great.

[00:06:40] Someone was looking at social media and saying, Hey, what if praises like this gathered around

[00:06:45] in New York city?

[00:06:47] It took.

[00:06:48] So I had seen some critics compared to escape from New York panic room, even die hard.

[00:06:54] And just that kind of just isolated take over.

[00:07:01] But I think it's a good hit for Blumhouse.

[00:07:04] Cause it just shows how they're more experimental now.

[00:07:07] They're not just James Wan or Jordan Peele.

[00:07:09] They're just like, we just want James McCaffrey.

[00:07:12] Were you guys familiar with him?

[00:07:15] I know the name, but I'm just not placing.

[00:07:18] So he had done the negotiator.

[00:07:21] Then he did the hostage crisis spike TV miniseries, the kill point.

[00:07:26] And so that's basically what festered all the friendships with Frank Grillo and John Leguizamo

[00:07:30] and company.

[00:07:31] And, uh, okay.

[00:07:33] Every other actor you've seen on the wire, they're pretty much in it.

[00:07:35] But then he did the sold on precinct 13 remake with Ethan Hawke.

[00:07:41] Yeah.

[00:07:42] Yeah.

[00:07:43] Uh, yeah, he seems to, it's one of those, it doesn't always go as deep as you think it will,

[00:07:49] but I don't feel like it's a cop out or anything.

[00:07:51] No pun.

[00:07:52] It's like, okay, it's popcorn, but it's like Romero.

[00:07:55] It's not forcing it on you.

[00:07:57] But at the same time, you're getting all these.

[00:08:00] Captain Rhodes type, you know, war criminals, militia guys.

[00:08:04] Mm hmm.

[00:08:04] It was like, yeah.

[00:08:06] You want to see a white supremacist villain?

[00:08:08] Here you go.

[00:08:08] You want to see a revolutionary guy who's done bad things, but is the unexpected support

[00:08:15] guy.

[00:08:16] Saves the hero.

[00:08:17] Perfect.

[00:08:18] And yeah, I, I actually saw all of these in the theater.

[00:08:22] Um, so I have to revisit some, uh, you know, on, on streaming services this past week,

[00:08:29] just to kind of refresh my memory.

[00:08:32] Um, but I mean, I swear some of them are even creepier and more a little too on the nose,

[00:08:38] with current events than they were when they first came out.

[00:08:42] And I'm like, Oh yeah.

[00:08:45] They couldn't help themselves, but I guess cause it's horror, sci-fi people are just somehow

[00:08:53] the crazies who would.

[00:08:55] I get a sense that if any.

[00:08:59] Just awful, like militia guy or terrorist guys saw this movie, they probably stormed out.

[00:09:05] They're like, how'd you know?

[00:09:07] I feel exposed, you know, kind of like how people are going to parlor when they're revealed

[00:09:12] for saying awful douchey things.

[00:09:14] I got that kind of sense from it.

[00:09:15] Like if you're squirming in your seat uncomfortable and it's not from the terror sequences, it's

[00:09:20] probably cause I don't know.

[00:09:22] You feel called out.

[00:09:23] Right.

[00:09:23] I mean, that's possible, but then look at something like the matrix.

[00:09:28] Yeah.

[00:09:28] Or like fight club.

[00:09:30] There are people.

[00:09:31] Yes.

[00:09:31] You know, who, who saw those movies.

[00:09:34] And even though the filmmaker had a point they were trying to make.

[00:09:38] Let's misinterpret it.

[00:09:40] Totally different away from it.

[00:09:42] Some folks twist that in a completely different direction to their own end.

[00:09:45] So who even knows?

[00:09:46] But I thought it was kind of close reading back.

[00:09:49] That interview James DeMonaco did.

[00:09:53] There's he did quite a few in 2021, you know, cause forever purge was coming out.

[00:09:58] Mm hmm.

[00:09:59] And I mean, he's just very candid.

[00:10:02] He did an interview with Fangoria and he's talked about it's inherently political.

[00:10:07] Uh, like I, the, the studio, the producers kind of keep me in check because I always want

[00:10:15] to push it further.

[00:10:17] Yes.

[00:10:18] You know?

[00:10:19] And he, he did another interview with broke horror fan.

[00:10:23] I love that name.

[00:10:24] Yeah.

[00:10:25] And, and, uh, on their website again, 2021 around the forever purge.

[00:10:30] And he, I mean, he says this, it's not subtle.

[00:10:32] It's not meant to be subtle.

[00:10:34] I don't want it to be subtle.

[00:10:36] If some people preach that, so be it, you know, I'm paraphrasing, but you might as well

[00:10:41] go for it.

[00:10:42] Yeah.

[00:10:42] He's very clear about, no, I want this to be political.

[00:10:45] It's on the nose intentionally.

[00:10:48] So surprisingly people who generally avoid politics, I haven't seen in any of their positive

[00:10:54] or negative reviews, even mentioned of the politics.

[00:10:57] Yeah.

[00:10:57] Somehow.

[00:11:00] It's a miracle.

[00:11:01] No one politicized this movie.

[00:11:04] Yeah.

[00:11:04] Isn't that crazy?

[00:11:05] I think maybe it's because.

[00:11:07] I got all these incels going.

[00:11:08] Oh my God.

[00:11:09] A strong female lead.

[00:11:12] A guy who's manly and macho returns to the eighties crappy movies.

[00:11:18] Ah, him like, okay.

[00:11:19] Chill.

[00:11:22] Yeah.

[00:11:23] No, surprisingly I am not.

[00:11:25] Uh, but I'm glad you brought up the fight club and matrix thing.

[00:11:29] Cause I would say even going as far back to even like, I'd even equate this to like falling

[00:11:35] down.

[00:11:35] You'd see neo-Nazis are like, I want to be like defense, even though he kills a Nazi in

[00:11:40] that movie.

[00:11:42] Did you even watch the same movie?

[00:11:44] Yeah.

[00:11:45] Oh gosh.

[00:11:46] Yeah.

[00:11:46] I remember years ago.

[00:11:48] I don't remember which, uh, purge movie was the most recent one at the time, but there

[00:11:52] was like, um, hardcore Trump supporter on my feed.

[00:11:57] Um, it was like, I was friends with this person before, you know, before all of those

[00:12:02] elections, I didn't really know their political stance, but when they, when they felt free to

[00:12:07] say they went really, yeah.

[00:12:10] Balls to the wall with it.

[00:12:12] But they were, um, they, yeah, they took away the message that the purge was a good

[00:12:16] thing.

[00:12:17] And, you know, implement that.

[00:12:19] And I'm just like, what?

[00:12:21] Oh.

[00:12:22] Did you pay any attention to this at all?

[00:12:25] We did a person of interest episode and to my horror, I found out the guy was like,

[00:12:31] oh, we should totally have a system like this.

[00:12:33] I'm like.

[00:12:35] No, no, no.

[00:12:37] This whole point is that it doesn't work.

[00:12:40] And at least someone violates it to invade your privacy.

[00:12:42] Yeah.

[00:12:43] And he was another bitter divorce prick who was like, who was jumping on bandwagon.

[00:12:49] But again, I didn't know until like the second hour where he showed himself.

[00:12:53] I'm like.

[00:12:53] This happens.

[00:12:54] I'm going to have to do some serious editing.

[00:12:59] I think one of the things about the purge is really cool is that that first the first

[00:13:04] one, you know, it's just contained in this house with this family one location and we

[00:13:10] get some of the political stuff.

[00:13:13] Yes.

[00:13:13] But it's it's definitely the most subtle of all the films.

[00:13:17] And I love how over the course of the five films, we get more and more on the backstory

[00:13:23] of how the purge happened, about how it was instituted.

[00:13:27] He's looking at people suspiciously.

[00:13:30] He's like, it's great.

[00:13:32] I really like that.

[00:13:33] People don't give it a chance just because inevitably a child endangers the family.

[00:13:39] I'm like, well, but you were OK with that in the 80s and 90s.

[00:13:41] What's different here?

[00:13:43] Right.

[00:13:43] I feel like I don't know why people are more negative about the first one.

[00:13:47] Like, I think the whole series is pretty solid.

[00:13:49] Honestly, I've had to tell a lot of people is like, give it a chance if you don't like

[00:13:54] that one, much like Friday the 13th.

[00:13:55] Just go on to the next one.

[00:13:56] Just right.

[00:13:57] And I do think, yeah, I mean, I liked the first one.

[00:14:01] I think, you know, the second film Anarchy is even stronger just because of the wider scope.

[00:14:07] And then you get you do get more of a sense of the political climate.

[00:14:12] And it's also for me just more interesting seeing, OK, well, how do you know, lower income

[00:14:19] people try to survive on this night because they can't afford these expensive home security

[00:14:24] systems and like the other things that like the family from the first film had that didn't

[00:14:29] even work out that well for them.

[00:14:31] Yeah.

[00:14:32] Well, what if what if you're in like you live in the projects and you, you know, you can't

[00:14:38] do anything to.

[00:14:40] Yeah.

[00:14:40] To like really.

[00:14:43] You can't really reinforce your home in the same way or barricade entry points.

[00:14:49] And I mean, that movie just became this wild ride is these characters meet up and they're

[00:14:55] they're making their way through the city.

[00:14:59] And and then like the the way it ends was kind of that was a fun twist to probably bleak.

[00:15:05] Yeah.

[00:15:06] Yeah.

[00:15:07] Just the the way that rich people purred.

[00:15:10] It was like, yes, a deck full off the streets.

[00:15:14] And, you know, it was kind of a most dangerous game sort of vibe to it.

[00:15:18] It's totally a hard target.

[00:15:20] Yeah.

[00:15:20] Rudyard.

[00:15:22] Kippling.

[00:15:22] Yeah.

[00:15:24] I mentioned Run the Man earlier, but I don't think you get that like until the second one

[00:15:28] where they happen to be videotaping all their murders and genocide for.

[00:15:33] Yeah.

[00:15:33] Yeah.

[00:15:34] Cable TV to watch the next day.

[00:15:35] And you're like, geez, how would that happen in today's world?

[00:15:39] And how many sick fuckers would watch that?

[00:15:42] Yeah.

[00:15:44] Yeah.

[00:15:45] Uh, so fun fact, uh, Ethan Hawke does return as James in the opening scene of season two

[00:15:53] of the Purge show.

[00:15:55] Oh, really?

[00:15:56] And I didn't make it to season two.

[00:15:58] I think I watched season one and then I kind of didn't get back around to it.

[00:16:03] But that's really diabolical.

[00:16:05] But yeah, it was heavily promoted.

[00:16:07] I'm like, I better catch up on this and.

[00:16:10] It's OK.

[00:16:11] Just getting that out of the way.

[00:16:13] It's I think it's a decent like two and a half to three out of five.

[00:16:16] Just fun show.

[00:16:17] It just needs a little more time to kind of flush it out.

[00:16:22] And it could have easily been a five year thing.

[00:16:24] It's just universal was just canceling all their shit that year.

[00:16:28] Right.

[00:16:29] Mm hmm.

[00:16:30] They had a Jason Bourne spinoff and same thing.

[00:16:32] I'm like, why do you guys keep killing your franchises?

[00:16:34] No, nowadays it's like it'll break your heart to get too invested.

[00:16:39] Yes.

[00:16:39] In a TV series.

[00:16:41] It's like.

[00:16:42] And now I see people complain about 10 episode things.

[00:16:44] I'm like, it feels more like a movie, but they're like, oh, I want more.

[00:16:47] I'm like, well, that's a good thing.

[00:16:49] Yeah.

[00:16:50] Watch it if it was 20 episodes, would you?

[00:16:52] Way not.

[00:16:55] What?

[00:16:56] Yeah.

[00:16:58] Yeah, no.

[00:17:00] Who wants to do the their ranking first on a five star scale?

[00:17:04] Yeah.

[00:17:04] I'll go first because mine's actually really simple.

[00:17:08] Okay.

[00:17:09] We love that.

[00:17:10] So it's yeah.

[00:17:12] Yeah, because I watching these.

[00:17:15] It was like, no, I mean, it's solid.

[00:17:18] Mm hmm.

[00:17:19] And and there's like a little fluctuation here and there, but pretty much across the board.

[00:17:25] Good movies that I enjoy.

[00:17:27] I gave.

[00:17:28] I give the purge three stars.

[00:17:33] Which for me is a I I like it.

[00:17:36] So the purge anarchy three and a half.

[00:17:40] Lovely.

[00:17:40] Same for the purge election year.

[00:17:43] Same for the first purge.

[00:17:45] And then the forever purge, I went back to three stars.

[00:17:49] Oh, OK.

[00:17:51] Oh, do you use a four or five?

[00:17:54] Five.

[00:17:55] OK.

[00:17:57] Yeah.

[00:17:57] I mean, I love horror movies and I really enjoy this as a franchise.

[00:18:02] So I I would I'd probably also give.

[00:18:07] I would give the original purge three point five stars.

[00:18:13] Anarchy four point five election year.

[00:18:17] Down to three point five cool concepts, but I thought there were moments when.

[00:18:23] Mom, this of the acting were a little porn level.

[00:18:28] They did.

[00:18:29] Did I know what you mean?

[00:18:32] It did.

[00:18:32] There were some rough moments and I I don't know, but like there were just certain scenes

[00:18:37] where the acting just hit really wrong when I watched it.

[00:18:40] And it especially when I watched it in the theater, I was like, oh, that seems a little painful.

[00:18:45] But I mean, some still still solid enough.

[00:18:48] It's not a good point.

[00:18:49] I did seem like they were trying to portray pain, but at times I'm like, I'm.

[00:18:54] I feel like a lot of movies now shoot so fast.

[00:18:57] They only do a few days.

[00:18:58] So I don't know.

[00:18:59] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:19:00] And then let's see the movie for the first purge.

[00:19:05] I'd probably go with four stars for that.

[00:19:10] OK, I thought it was solid.

[00:19:11] Even though that, too, had a few scenes with some awkward acting where I was like,

[00:19:18] or maybe it just could have been edited better for certain characters.

[00:19:21] But I thought, oh, man, that's a little cheesy.

[00:19:23] Yeah.

[00:19:24] But we've just seen too many movies.

[00:19:26] So half the time we'll hear dialogue.

[00:19:27] We're like, right.

[00:19:28] I could have written that.

[00:19:30] Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

[00:19:32] And and I feel like the forever purge was a really solid film.

[00:19:37] I would break that.

[00:19:39] Yeah, like score that the same as anarchy with four point five stars.

[00:19:45] Lovely.

[00:19:46] Nice.

[00:19:48] Cool, cool, cool.

[00:19:51] Yeah, I'm pretty straightforward.

[00:19:53] I gave the first one a free out of five.

[00:19:56] Just I was this.

[00:19:57] I want to say the third one I saw.

[00:19:59] I didn't watch any of these in order.

[00:20:02] I thought, OK, I like how they're having to do a knife fight in the dark and.

[00:20:08] The music gets you in the mood for some kind of atmospheric and especially near the end when he's got a shotgun level, he's like, start talking.

[00:20:17] Why are you breaking into my fucking shit?

[00:20:19] Why are you breaking into my house?

[00:20:21] Movie two made me a fan of Kylie Sanchez and Frank Grillo for life.

[00:20:25] I watch anything those guys are in.

[00:20:27] Kylie's gone on to do a lot of TV, including a show with Frank and Frank's a martial artist and has worked with all kinds of people.

[00:20:34] He's done everything from playing crooked cops to business owners.

[00:20:37] He's great.

[00:20:38] Yep.

[00:20:39] Yeah, it's really good.

[00:20:40] He's in a Charles Manson, I think, cult film now.

[00:20:43] Oh, interesting.

[00:20:45] He just actually wrapped a action horror film kind of similar to this with director writer Chad law.

[00:20:52] So that's got an all star cast, including Jermar Moroni and Mecky Pfeiffer.

[00:20:56] For Janarchy, that was the first one I saw.

[00:20:58] And just as you're seeing the sun just evaporate as the countdown begins, I was I was glued to my screen.

[00:21:07] I was fortunate enough to interview Chris Gann, who plays the punk chopping people up on the BMX bike.

[00:21:14] Mm hmm.

[00:21:15] He's an actor and stunt guy who's been a lot of things, including Sleepy Hollow and 24.

[00:21:19] And he's now doing a lot of coordination.

[00:21:23] But yeah, I was invested.

[00:21:26] I liked how the Latino family was at war and they were letting all their sinister secrets out when they're all supposed to be banding together.

[00:21:35] I thought there was enough at stake.

[00:21:37] I think.

[00:21:39] Movie free election year, like you guys said, it's a little on the nose, but I liked that they brought the stranger and the sergeant back.

[00:21:48] And like you say, I feel like the candidates kind of weak, but in all fairness, I didn't need to see any more of his sliminess.

[00:21:54] I already know he's awful.

[00:21:56] You know, yeah, right.

[00:21:59] First Purge.

[00:22:00] I'm going to.

[00:22:01] Yeah, so that was a free and a half out of five.

[00:22:03] I'd give the first Purge probably a free out of five.

[00:22:06] I like it more just as a Sunday movie.

[00:22:09] And I do like this whole.

[00:22:12] All minority cast and always love seeing Luna Vela's from Oz fame in a role.

[00:22:19] But like you kind of said, there was some kind of forced dialogue there at times.

[00:22:23] But and I think one critic said it's entertaining, but it's a little more ambitious than it wants to be.

[00:22:30] And I was like, yeah, it's fair.

[00:22:32] It doesn't they're not perfect movies, but they are entertaining genre movies.

[00:22:35] So it's like, OK, yeah, I'll get this free out of five.

[00:22:40] And the last one before ever Purge, I'm going to give that four out of five.

[00:22:45] I was on the edge of my seat.

[00:22:47] Yes. Some of the dialogue was kind of whatever, but I just dug how the main Texas ranchers having to question his racism.

[00:22:57] I dug how old that was cool.

[00:23:00] The ranch hands are the heroes.

[00:23:02] I that seamer.

[00:23:04] What's her name from?

[00:23:05] Who's been in everything?

[00:23:07] Army of the Dead, Nacho Libre is having to avoid getting almost guillotined by these assholes on the street.

[00:23:12] I was like, yeah, that was that was edgy.

[00:23:18] And I thought it was wrapped up.

[00:23:20] I fun fact, I showed this to my friends at the Bad Movies Roll podcast.

[00:23:25] They they give out sarcastic awards and one of them is the Will Patton Award for intensity.

[00:23:29] I'm like, can you add this to the real final moments before he shot in the head?

[00:23:34] Like you won't take me down.

[00:23:38] Like, you got to put that on the real.

[00:23:39] I don't think it can go wrong from here.

[00:23:41] I don't feel like it's lowbrow.

[00:23:43] Fun fact, my brother's fiancee took him to this.

[00:23:47] He was not a fan, but she really liked it.

[00:23:50] So that is often my indicator.

[00:23:52] My brother hates it.

[00:23:52] I'm going to like it.

[00:23:58] Usually me and my sister get along.

[00:24:00] We're like, OK, there's five writers.

[00:24:02] Yeah, this is going to be bad.

[00:24:07] Other times we're like, OK, it's a dumb movie with so and so.

[00:24:10] Let's have fun. But yeah.

[00:24:14] Yeah, if anyone were to come to me and say, I just can't with the Purge movies.

[00:24:19] Mm hmm. OK.

[00:24:21] Like, I can understand why.

[00:24:23] It could be the politics or it could be, you know, people who aren't into that, like really kind of like over the top.

[00:24:29] Lots of action.

[00:24:30] Yeah.

[00:24:30] Yeah.

[00:24:30] This probably isn't going to be for you.

[00:24:33] If people don't like dystopia.

[00:24:36] Yeah, I've I got I got into an argument with some other guy like half the movies he was naming off were technically horror or sci fi.

[00:24:44] I'm like, OK, we're going to talk later.

[00:24:49] But I could see like, I mean, this isn't going to work for everybody.

[00:24:54] But it's like if you came to a comedy and you thought it was just going to be crude and everything is like, well, I think you've seen too many bad examples of the franchise.

[00:25:03] Right. Yeah.

[00:25:05] Genre.

[00:25:06] Definitely the Purge franchise.

[00:25:08] You've got to give it.

[00:25:10] First for the boldness.

[00:25:13] Yes.

[00:25:14] At least in terms of the themes, the characters, just the way they approach this.

[00:25:21] It takes courage and conviction to keep going after, you know, because how many franchises kind of start with an idea that might be a little more edgy.

[00:25:30] Yes.

[00:25:32] And then over the course of a franchise, get closer and closer to like a more watered down mainstream friendly idea.

[00:25:40] Yep.

[00:25:40] Mm hmm.

[00:25:41] Her franchise has not done that.

[00:25:43] It's still just as.

[00:25:46] Possibly incendiary or offensive.

[00:25:49] Yes.

[00:25:49] To some people as it ever was.

[00:25:52] I think that's commendable.

[00:25:54] Right.

[00:25:54] Great action sequences.

[00:25:56] Mm hmm.

[00:25:56] It always looks good.

[00:25:58] Yeah.

[00:25:59] Yeah.

[00:25:59] The you can actually see what's happening in the dark.

[00:26:01] It's not put together by.

[00:26:02] Yes.

[00:26:03] People who don't know how to shoot it.

[00:26:05] But I mean, kudos to Elizabeth Mitchell and Cal Sicar.

[00:26:09] You know, they're very on the nose, but I don't feel like they're doing an impression of Hillary or even Mike Pence.

[00:26:14] I think they're just doing a just.

[00:26:16] OK, here's a gal.

[00:26:17] She has progressive ideas and all these Nazis are targeting her.

[00:26:21] And here's this guy.

[00:26:22] He's a blabber mouth, but.

[00:26:25] He's all he's just a twisted scumbag in general.

[00:26:27] Like she's just.

[00:26:29] Blah, blah, blah.

[00:26:30] If you don't like me, you're stupid.

[00:26:32] Man.

[00:26:32] Vote for me.

[00:26:33] So I was like, OK, cool.

[00:26:34] But I liked how they explained it more on Congress and.

[00:26:38] The county Williams then is always a joy to watch.

[00:26:40] So I was like, OK, cool.

[00:26:42] I enjoy how they kind of bring in the global perspective on this or how people from other countries.

[00:26:49] Are people looking at doing this, you know, murder tourists?

[00:26:54] Yeah, that's true.

[00:26:56] We're going to.

[00:26:57] And that would for sure happen.

[00:27:00] It would absolutely.

[00:27:01] Right.

[00:27:03] The last one did a good job of just showing the immigrants, you know, who, you know, I'm so sad.

[00:27:08] And every time I have to tell a friend is like, you guys are being called rapists and everything just because of the color of your skin or because someone is doing their fear mongering propaganda.

[00:27:18] And I love to.

[00:27:21] We had characters like Marcos in.

[00:27:24] Yes.

[00:27:26] Anarchy, who, you know, when they when the deli, when his boss at the deli finds out he can shoot.

[00:27:32] He's like, how did you learn that?

[00:27:33] He's like every night in Juarez.

[00:27:37] You know, there's places in the world where street warfare and unrest is like a regular occurrence.

[00:27:45] You know, that's true.

[00:27:46] Yeah.

[00:27:46] Yeah, he's ready to go for an automatic weapon if he gets robbed.

[00:27:52] But you never hope for that day, you know?

[00:27:54] No, no, no.

[00:27:56] I mean, I do security and I get puns galore.

[00:27:58] Everyone's like, oh, you're dangerous job.

[00:28:01] Like, nice.

[00:28:03] Not even.

[00:28:04] I'm just literally think of it as Uber.

[00:28:06] You drive around, you take photos.

[00:28:08] Report issues.

[00:28:09] It's not.

[00:28:11] Not the movies where you're the first part of the body count.

[00:28:14] You know?

[00:28:17] But no, that's true.

[00:28:18] I do like Marcos.

[00:28:20] He was an interesting just betrayal.

[00:28:23] Mm hmm.

[00:28:24] Uh, I don't feel like anyone's a stereotype, which is also very rare.

[00:28:28] I guess I was waiting for it.

[00:28:30] I was waiting for it.

[00:28:31] I was waiting for one guy to go.

[00:28:33] Yo, say I'm like, oh, Lord, don't do that.

[00:28:36] I didn't see any of them.

[00:28:38] But you can tell me otherwise.

[00:28:39] There might be some stereotype in there.

[00:28:41] But they did.

[00:28:42] They did really well.

[00:28:44] I thought of characters are where it comes into play that they might have a past like Joe, the deli owner has a past affiliation with the Crips street gang.

[00:28:56] That was true.

[00:28:57] Yeah.

[00:28:57] You know, in the forever purge.

[00:28:59] Um, Adela was part of the auto defensas in Mexico.

[00:29:05] Like people have a past.

[00:29:07] It's complicated.

[00:29:08] It's never too stereotypical.

[00:29:11] There's a lot of kind of nuance to each character, what their thoughts are, their motivations, where they come from, how they relate to it.

[00:29:19] Yes.

[00:29:20] You know, because you don't know till you know, and most of the time it's too late, but I like how half of these guys get caught in the act.

[00:29:28] They're like, yeah.

[00:29:29] Oh, can we still be friends?

[00:29:33] No, I'm moving out of this place.

[00:29:36] I'm setting your house on fire.

[00:29:37] This is all.

[00:29:39] I love to how in the first purge, like they, they go head on against this whole idea behind the purge in the first place that this healthy release of violence.

[00:29:49] You know, this is just human nature.

[00:29:52] And you know, the, you know, the purchase is healthy thing.

[00:29:55] You know, this release valve, this freeing violence.

[00:29:58] Yeah.

[00:29:59] And I, and, and if there were people who saw the previous purge movies who were like, you know, they've got a point.

[00:30:05] Yeah.

[00:30:06] The first purge tells us like the experiment was rigged.

[00:30:10] Yeah.

[00:30:11] Yes.

[00:30:11] Most people didn't kill anybody.

[00:30:14] They didn't even take advantage of this.

[00:30:16] No, they want to have street parties and maybe have sex outside and do some drugs.

[00:30:21] And yeah.

[00:30:21] And maybe rob a store, you know, but most people didn't want to kill anybody.

[00:30:27] For now.

[00:30:28] For now.

[00:30:29] They should do one with AI.

[00:30:32] Oh God.

[00:30:33] We don't believe it's real.

[00:30:36] No, don't do that.

[00:30:37] That'd be too much.

[00:30:38] Maybe not.

[00:30:39] I'd give me claustrophobia for a week.

[00:30:41] So this may be a fan of rapper, uh, snow of the product.

[00:30:45] I'm going to now be checking out the rest of her music.

[00:30:47] She's the in hip hop song and the last one.

[00:30:51] Oh, okay.

[00:30:52] What the fuck is the law?

[00:30:55] Good, good score.

[00:30:56] You did bring up the score a few times.

[00:30:58] I wasn't as familiar with the Newton brothers, but I heard them in a few things.

[00:31:02] They're kind of like Tom and Andy.

[00:31:03] They're just that sibling duo.

[00:31:05] Mm hmm.

[00:31:09] Yeah.

[00:31:09] Yeah.

[00:31:10] No, I think you guys are kind of summed up a lot of the main points.

[00:31:12] It's like you got everybody is the guinea pig.

[00:31:16] Yeah.

[00:31:17] And if it goes wrong, which it will, hence the premise.

[00:31:22] It goes, but yeah, no one wants to fess up to it.

[00:31:24] No one.

[00:31:25] There isn't a fall guy.

[00:31:26] They're either all dead or they're like, God, what did I do?

[00:31:30] And it's I do like how they also hint is like no one would technically be safe.

[00:31:35] You know, you could have the most politicized.

[00:31:38] Yes.

[00:31:39] Town.

[00:31:40] You know, you have these bodyguards turning on each other.

[00:31:45] It's like, yeah, I'll play for a dollar.

[00:31:48] I hated your.

[00:31:48] There was the I think it was in election year.

[00:31:52] Hmm.

[00:31:53] Or was it anarchy?

[00:31:54] No, it must have been election year when the character who's who's been going around

[00:32:01] in the triage van.

[00:32:02] Oh, yes.

[00:32:03] When she comes back, she tells a story of a she saw a woman who had murdered her husband

[00:32:08] and said that didn't feel good.

[00:32:11] Like I thought it was good.

[00:32:13] Yeah, that was a fun moment.

[00:32:15] It was like, Jesus, these freaks are coming out.

[00:32:21] I'm thinking they're going to get off on killing.

[00:32:25] That makes a little sense because they do have hunters throughout.

[00:32:29] And yeah, I like how they don't glamorize them.

[00:32:32] They show that they would be just most likely to be killed first just because they got all

[00:32:37] the weaponry.

[00:32:38] Yeah.

[00:32:39] He is.

[00:32:43] What's his name?

[00:32:44] Ah, Jack Conley, who played the evil colonel in part two.

[00:32:49] I thought this is an interesting, rare mainstream appearance for him.

[00:32:52] He's done everything.

[00:32:53] He gets his credits.

[00:32:54] He's almost always plays a crooked narc or a violent gambler.

[00:33:00] And I thought it was cool how he's just hovering over him.

[00:33:04] He's the big daddy guy with that disfigured face.

[00:33:07] Mm hmm.

[00:33:08] Oh, yeah.

[00:33:09] He recently started in the similar Suburbicon.

[00:33:12] I didn't write it recently, but he reminds me of the warden in Cool Hand Luke.

[00:33:18] Oh my God.

[00:33:19] Yes.

[00:33:20] Because he's always got the shades on.

[00:33:22] Yeah.

[00:33:23] And he's like hardly ever speaks.

[00:33:25] Mm hmm.

[00:33:26] He thinks he's cool to do what he wants.

[00:33:29] See, no shame at all.

[00:33:31] No, just complete.

[00:33:32] No soul beat in there.

[00:33:34] Yeah.

[00:33:36] Oh, but he was as close as I think as you came to kind of a roach and day in the dead kind

[00:33:41] of.

[00:33:41] Mm hmm.

[00:33:43] Yeah.

[00:33:43] Someone is just going to mouth off and like has nothing even intelligent to say.

[00:33:49] It's final moments.

[00:33:51] Just.

[00:33:53] Oh.

[00:33:54] But kudos to many of the guys for just again, just framing all these characters, giving

[00:33:59] a moment in the sun.

[00:34:01] I.

[00:34:03] The violent Stan and Karen in forever purge were pretty creepy.

[00:34:10] Mm hmm.

[00:34:11] Yeah, yeah.

[00:34:12] Oh, yeah.

[00:34:13] That was my only real beef.

[00:34:14] I was like, I kind of wanted a little more.

[00:34:18] Screen time for them, but at the same time, it would have probably been too much.

[00:34:23] Yeah, just because when you encounter so many just awful politicized people now every day,

[00:34:28] you just like, yeah, no, can you still keep this fun, but do give them an awesome comeuppance.

[00:34:34] Mm hmm.

[00:34:35] It's a wartime in the streets and.

[00:34:39] And forever purge had a lot to do because you had to like introduce all these characters,

[00:34:44] let us get to know them.

[00:34:47] The wives are now looking at their husband like, good Lord, I didn't know you felt that

[00:34:51] way.

[00:34:52] And then it kept like.

[00:34:54] So the story just got bigger and bigger.

[00:34:56] Yeah.

[00:34:58] Because we finally see what it's like the cleanup after a purge night.

[00:35:02] Oh, my God.

[00:35:03] Which was kind of cool to see that.

[00:35:05] And then the forever purge kicks off.

[00:35:07] And I was like, OK, so that's going to be the rest of the movie.

[00:35:10] Right.

[00:35:11] Then it was like, no, now you need to cross the border into Mexico.

[00:35:13] And it was like, oh, shit.

[00:35:15] How?

[00:35:16] Like that is just the scope of it was.

[00:35:19] Yes.

[00:35:20] Was so much bigger.

[00:35:21] There's only so much you can do if you're trying to cover that much ground.

[00:35:25] Because as they say earlier, bless the America, a nation reborn.

[00:35:29] Like what?

[00:35:31] No, no, no.

[00:35:34] Things manageable.

[00:35:36] No, no, no, no, no.

[00:35:38] But I read that there's going to be a six purge movie.

[00:35:42] Yes.

[00:35:42] Yeah.

[00:35:43] Where the forever purge left off.

[00:35:44] So, I mean, that I'm excited.

[00:35:47] They might bring they might bring the sergeant back.

[00:35:49] They're open to that.

[00:35:50] Obviously, the stranger might come back.

[00:35:52] I love Edwin Hodge.

[00:35:54] Did you know?

[00:35:55] Yeah, he's all this are brothers.

[00:35:57] No, I didn't know that either.

[00:35:59] So there's Sam Jackson's nephews and die hard with a vengeance.

[00:36:02] And then it all went from there.

[00:36:04] Yeah.

[00:36:04] OK, but I did have a pal JP who was doing catering and he met Alice at an event.

[00:36:11] And he's like, you would never know.

[00:36:12] He's a celebrity.

[00:36:13] He's just down to earth guy.

[00:36:14] And it's like, we need these kind of rarities.

[00:36:16] And I think that's the other kind of cool thing.

[00:36:17] These aren't relying on star power.

[00:36:19] Like even Ethan Hawke took a pay cut.

[00:36:22] He was just like, hey, you'll make more on the side, you know, because he's pretty

[00:36:26] knowable for his like, I don't want to do superhero movies.

[00:36:30] I'm loyal.

[00:36:30] I need to do something besides just link letter all the time.

[00:36:33] And so he was friends with McCaffrey and that's why they did that.

[00:36:37] But I'm a fan of Adelaide Kane.

[00:36:39] I think she should get more stuff.

[00:36:40] She's unfortunately kind of only just done soap stuff outside of this.

[00:36:44] Doesn't get soap.

[00:36:45] I'm just saying, but like it's the W kind where you're like, come on.

[00:36:49] You need more.

[00:36:50] There were a few other actors who played the various neighbors and kudos to them

[00:36:54] because again, they only get certain lines of dialogue and they still have to just be menacing with the mask and everything.

[00:37:01] Yeah.

[00:37:03] I don't think a lot of faces that I like I recognize faces have have now seen them elsewhere.

[00:37:10] But it's like that that guy thing or that guy.

[00:37:13] Where do I know you from?

[00:37:14] But I know you from somewhere.

[00:37:16] Rest in peace, Michael K Williams.

[00:37:18] Yeah.

[00:37:19] Oh, Omar.

[00:37:20] That I.

[00:37:24] Any time that man is on the screen, small screen or big screen.

[00:37:28] He was so amazing.

[00:37:29] And when he popped up, I was like, oh, well, the fuck you urge.

[00:37:34] So good.

[00:37:36] Perfect casting.

[00:37:37] Yes.

[00:37:38] For that role.

[00:37:39] I buy him as a Black Panther.

[00:37:41] I loved it.

[00:37:42] Yeah.

[00:37:43] There's actually been a lot of people who I've had to kind of on friend because they kind of label every revolutionary as a terrorist.

[00:37:50] But yeah, they go to NRA conventions.

[00:37:53] So he's the real terrorist.

[00:37:55] Yes.

[00:37:56] We're seeing it now.

[00:37:57] And again, all these are unavoidable, unfortunately.

[00:38:00] But I mean, we're seeing it with BLM.

[00:38:02] There's many times where I'm like, this is a Blue Lives Matter neighborhood.

[00:38:07] I want to avoid this place already.

[00:38:10] Yeah.

[00:38:12] But I think.

[00:38:13] Yeah.

[00:38:14] Not not many people want to have a conversation because it's so unpleasant.

[00:38:17] But at the same time, they don't have a resolution.

[00:38:18] So we're going to just have to keep having these conversations and entertainment.

[00:38:22] Yeah.

[00:38:23] And keep watching purge movies.

[00:38:24] It's watching.

[00:38:26] It's actually like.

[00:38:29] It's not lowbrow.

[00:38:30] So no, some people can watch these and just watch it for the action, the dystopia, the survival.

[00:38:36] And that's great.

[00:38:37] Yeah.

[00:38:37] Have at it.

[00:38:38] It's I mean, it's all there.

[00:38:40] Mm hmm.

[00:38:40] But you could have some really interesting conversations with people spurred on by the ideas in these.

[00:38:45] Totally.

[00:38:47] I love that.

[00:38:48] And it's just in that it's dystopia as opposed to we got to have a famous actor spouting out science.

[00:38:53] Mm hmm.

[00:38:55] It's.

[00:38:57] And.

[00:38:59] Keep giving them inspiration.

[00:39:01] Yeah.

[00:39:03] They really can't go wrong.

[00:39:04] I don't think I don't think they're going to offend anybody.

[00:39:06] They.

[00:39:07] I mean, we've already talked about how they're pretty inoffensive, like the only people.

[00:39:10] Mm hmm.

[00:39:12] Getting grossed out by them are the ones who just.

[00:39:14] I don't know.

[00:39:15] Thought it would just be too morbid.

[00:39:16] I don't know.

[00:39:18] Yeah.

[00:39:18] Even my mom, I actually liked these movies and she normally doesn't like horror films.

[00:39:23] Yeah, I was.

[00:39:24] I had some luck with my mother as well.

[00:39:26] She wasn't crazy about it, but she thought the acting and premise was intriguing.

[00:39:31] Yeah, I think my mom liked it mostly for the premise and like the political commentary.

[00:39:38] Yes.

[00:39:39] Wasn't there a parody on key and pill?

[00:39:43] Yeah, possibly.

[00:39:44] I don't.

[00:39:45] I don't remember.

[00:39:45] We'll be playing the robot chicken spoof at the beginning of this episode.

[00:39:49] King of the bird.

[00:39:53] Burns up.

[00:39:54] I know.

[00:39:54] Rick and Morty did a purge.

[00:39:56] Of course they did.

[00:39:57] Yeah.

[00:40:00] Was Morty the one doing the purging?

[00:40:02] Well, they they visit another planet where it looks like the aliens there look like sort

[00:40:08] of like cat people, but it's a it's a purge planet.

[00:40:11] So it's like everyone on there that alien society as a purge night.

[00:40:16] They should do another take on it and have it be Rick getting burned alive since he's

[00:40:20] fired.

[00:40:22] They had issues with the actor being a behind the scenes.

[00:40:25] He was really much like I've heard about that.

[00:40:30] I mean, that's how you know you've hit on something right?

[00:40:33] When you've got a cartoon shows, but the parties.

[00:40:37] I got it.

[00:40:38] The purge Hollywood.

[00:40:42] Oh, yeah.

[00:40:44] All the wine just scenes whole, you know, type assholes who outed yet.

[00:40:49] And they just get slaughtered at it would be like record free kind of did something like

[00:40:54] that.

[00:40:56] Someone's playing around with a chainsaw at what's supposed to be a wedding gala.

[00:41:00] It's all it's all down here from here, but that would be just hysterical.

[00:41:03] People are getting shot out of executive buildings.

[00:41:06] Will you buy my movie?

[00:41:07] You didn't buy my movie.

[00:41:09] You know, Frank Grillo was actually in an interview recently where he talked about how

[00:41:17] he was tricked into doing some of those shitty movies by that.

[00:41:22] Emmett Randall Emmett and his partner for love that they're part of the whole.

[00:41:26] They had some legit stuff like Street Kings and Lone Survivor and the Irishman.

[00:41:31] But then they started doing tricking Bruce Willis, De Niro, Morgan Freeman and all these

[00:41:36] guys into doing awful movies for him.

[00:41:39] And so and the girl is looking at it.

[00:41:41] He looks back at the movie.

[00:41:42] He doesn't say anything until five years later.

[00:41:44] He's like, it's a Ponzi scheme.

[00:41:45] It's a Ponzi scheme.

[00:41:47] Thank God I'm not doing the movie anymore.

[00:41:48] But they tricked everybody because they're all Wall Street producers who call themselves

[00:41:53] producers, but they're really not.

[00:41:55] Ouch.

[00:41:56] Yeah.

[00:41:57] And it's a shame, too, because you want all these indie guys to kind of get some skin

[00:42:01] in the game.

[00:42:02] But you're like, mm hmm.

[00:42:04] It's got to suck to have to do extra homework to make sure you're not at amateur hour.

[00:42:09] And so it would be fun if they did a commentary on that.

[00:42:12] Which of the get shorty type movie producers who are always threatening people and then know

[00:42:17] that would be interesting.

[00:42:19] Or I mean, I guess everyone knows what everyone knows what Purge Knight is.

[00:42:24] So you wouldn't actually.

[00:42:25] You wouldn't have to over explain it.

[00:42:26] Yeah.

[00:42:27] But like at a film, like one of the big film festivals, like Purge Knight hits on Sundance.

[00:42:34] You know what I mean?

[00:42:35] Mm hmm.

[00:42:36] Oh, man.

[00:42:37] He doesn't take so and so doesn't take the con's reception too well.

[00:42:42] Yeah.

[00:42:43] Right.

[00:42:43] Can you imagine Coppola losing it one day and saying, you know what?

[00:42:46] Say hello to my little friend.

[00:42:51] The Poma gave me some ideas.

[00:42:55] You don't like it?

[00:42:57] I don't like you.

[00:43:00] Oh, as they could do Russia.

[00:43:03] That'd be fun.

[00:43:04] Maybe a little too close.

[00:43:05] Too much.

[00:43:06] Yeah.

[00:43:07] As long as Steven Seagal gets killed, that'd be okay.

[00:43:09] Oh, God.

[00:43:10] Oh, man.

[00:43:12] Only good thing that came out of it.

[00:43:16] Oh.

[00:43:18] Making this an anthology was very smart.

[00:43:22] Yeah.

[00:43:23] I mean, you could in theory make endless Purge movies.

[00:43:26] Yep.

[00:43:27] Twilight Zone edition.

[00:43:28] Yeah.

[00:43:28] I mean, there's just so many different cities, different settings, whatever the current political

[00:43:34] issue, hot button issue is.

[00:43:37] Yes.

[00:43:37] You could in theory do this indefinitely.

[00:43:40] So many different ways.

[00:43:43] Absolutely.

[00:43:44] I can't say that better.

[00:43:46] That's right.

[00:43:48] If they want to get some name talent, I think Brad Anderson might be able to help out with

[00:43:52] it.

[00:43:52] He seems to kind of be into that.

[00:43:55] I don't know if you know session nine or.

[00:43:57] I love session nine.

[00:43:59] So fun.

[00:44:00] Yeah.

[00:44:01] But he kind of for a while was doing those movies.

[00:44:04] They weren't exactly found footage, but they were just showing like disturbing revelations

[00:44:07] and that just good to anybody.

[00:44:09] I mean, kudos to McCaffrey for not having to do everything himself and just saying, hey,

[00:44:14] I'm just going to work with other people, give them a moment in the sun.

[00:44:19] It's there.

[00:44:19] It's as much their movie as it is mine.

[00:44:21] So it's like I, I definitely want more comrades because I'm just getting so tired of just like

[00:44:26] Hollywood reported in the whole so and so is at the helm.

[00:44:29] This could be good.

[00:44:30] It could be bad.

[00:44:31] I'm like, hmm, it's not just one person.

[00:44:35] Right.

[00:44:36] And you can have a bad gaffer and your movies wrecked, you know?

[00:44:39] Yeah, no, it takes it.

[00:44:41] It takes a whole team of people.

[00:44:43] If you make a great editor, but if they get fired by the green producer, you don't have a chance.

[00:44:52] Oh, and yeah, no, I, I'm sure they'll come up with something fun.

[00:44:57] They'll, we'll do a throwback.

[00:44:59] I'll watch it whatever they come up with next.

[00:45:02] I mean, kudos to the show itself.

[00:45:04] It was a whole different cast that next season, you know, they went from evil tycoon Billy Baldwin to someone else.

[00:45:09] And it doesn't, it's not much to ask for just some fun B movie carnage.

[00:45:17] Oh, but at the same time, it's more than that, you know?

[00:45:21] Yeah, that's the cool thing, right?

[00:45:22] It's that it's it's all of those things.

[00:45:24] If they want to have it even go into dorm and serial killers stalking people, I think they'll still do a fun twist on it.

[00:45:31] But I.

[00:45:34] I think that's the other thing, too.

[00:45:35] It's not really even reliant on just one twist.

[00:45:37] Like there's so many other factors in there is like, you see how that guy is looking at this person.

[00:45:42] You don't put two and do together unless you rewatch it.

[00:45:45] It's not an in my it's not an M night movie where it starts out.

[00:45:48] Okay. And then you have the device of anything, which.

[00:45:52] Right.

[00:45:52] Yes.

[00:45:53] Yeah.

[00:45:55] Rough the last several years.

[00:45:59] I just need more Mr. Glass.

[00:46:00] I don't need.

[00:46:02] She left a village and then died.

[00:46:04] What?

[00:46:05] Oh, yeah.

[00:46:07] The movie old about killed me like that.

[00:46:13] Oh, my gosh.

[00:46:15] I know they did a rip track.

[00:46:17] Like I aged.

[00:46:19] I felt like I aged.

[00:46:22] Like the two or whatever, however many hours long.

[00:46:26] That was Jesus.

[00:46:28] It felt a lot longer.

[00:46:29] It's like this is like it did feel long.

[00:46:33] Speaking of age and retirement.

[00:46:35] Is it do a cuckoo's nest one?

[00:46:37] Oh, yeah.

[00:46:38] Yeah.

[00:46:39] All the retire guys fight back at the guys mistreating them.

[00:46:43] I'll show you what for Mr. Ratchet.

[00:46:46] No, that could be really good.

[00:46:46] Yeah.

[00:46:48] I like it.

[00:46:49] I'll give you a swirly.

[00:46:50] You can eat the contaminated food.

[00:46:54] That might be too much, but I don't know.

[00:46:56] I'll let him do whatever.

[00:47:03] Oh, well, to say we didn't get as many, but that's OK.

[00:47:07] You know, on time or on schedule, this will come out in the fall.

[00:47:12] Cool.

[00:47:13] So great to finally get you on here.

[00:47:14] Can't relate to.

[00:47:15] I know.

[00:47:15] We're going to try and do more filmmaker and actor showcases.

[00:47:20] We've been doing more kind of retro stuff, everything from I love Lucy to Outer Limits.

[00:47:24] And it's just been kind of nice.

[00:47:27] Well, even more so just like.

[00:47:29] I'm just so blessed to just always have just like so many recurring guests on and we kind of go more into why did this work back then?

[00:47:37] And what's the factor you can't overlook now instead of just the nonstop?

[00:47:41] Because obviously there's going to be some problematic elements is like it only could exist in like the 60s or 70s.

[00:47:47] But then.

[00:47:48] You want to go above just what you could just easily read on Wikipedia is like, OK, what does this illustrate to you?

[00:47:54] And why did you watch it on TV line back in the day?

[00:47:57] Yeah, yeah.

[00:47:59] It wasn't just that it was on.

[00:48:03] The sitcom ones have been fun.

[00:48:05] We did do a Norman Laird tribute and that's another one is like, OK, hold on.

[00:48:09] If you don't like them, which part?

[00:48:11] Like there's so many factors.

[00:48:13] Yeah.

[00:48:14] Elaborate.

[00:48:15] He did a cartoon show for back in the day, which was talking about antenna channels.

[00:48:20] So I'd hardly say he's an, you know, only.

[00:48:23] But then again, there are people who only like him because they love how despicable the Archie Bunker character is.

[00:48:30] And that illustrates them like, OK, good job on misinterpreting the whole point.

[00:48:36] He's a Karen.

[00:48:37] You're supposed to hate him.

[00:48:38] He's reminding you of that uncle you don't invite to Thanksgiving.

[00:48:40] You know, it's just true.

[00:48:42] You're trying to work on him.

[00:48:45] It's not like the purge where he'll be dead this season.

[00:48:48] Yeah.

[00:48:50] Heart attack.

[00:48:54] But I mean, I just like all these movies that just talk about just stuff that's not easy to talk about, but also illustrate.

[00:49:04] Mm hmm.

[00:49:05] Mm hmm.

[00:49:06] What really is wrong now?

[00:49:08] Yeah.

[00:49:09] Yeah, definitely.

[00:49:11] If the people you're electing are doing awful things, if.

[00:49:16] You got neighbors who are reading into certain things awfully, you know, it's like, you know, again, the day is young.

[00:49:25] Yeah.

[00:49:25] And I feel like.

[00:49:28] Films.

[00:49:30] From like films in the 70s.

[00:49:33] Mm hmm.

[00:49:34] Were were a little less afraid.

[00:49:37] Yes.

[00:49:38] You know, to get straight to independent channels if they weren't appreciated.

[00:49:42] Yeah.

[00:49:43] To just get political, make a statement about something, even if it was dark, even if it was going to downbeat.

[00:49:51] And.

[00:49:53] Yeah, yeah, it comes and goes, you know, have you ever listened to doing the nasty hosted by Duncan McLeish?

[00:50:02] OK, well, he reviews movies that are on the video nasty list.

[00:50:06] Oh, nice.

[00:50:07] And more often than not, it was just the poster sent shivers up someone's spine.

[00:50:13] You're like, yes, not even a drop up gore in this movie.

[00:50:16] And some of those movies were actually just shockingly bland.

[00:50:21] And it's like, yeah.

[00:50:23] And for the power of marketing.

[00:50:27] Even even by Italian standards, surprisingly, there was one guy who was a creep, but there wasn't.

[00:50:34] Yeah.

[00:50:35] Yeah.

[00:50:35] Someone just maybe saw scissors on the cover and thought, oh, you can't watch that.

[00:50:41] And hopefully, I mean, the Internet's allowing less gatekeeping now.

[00:50:45] Yeah.

[00:50:48] Well, what's even direct to video anymore?

[00:50:50] Yeah.

[00:50:51] Go straight to the Internet.

[00:50:53] Yeah.

[00:50:53] Like, what does that even mean now?

[00:50:55] It's not a video store.

[00:50:57] It's direct to streaming, I guess.

[00:50:58] Right.

[00:50:58] Yeah.

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[00:52:33] You don't lose, really.

[00:52:35] You just say, hey, I would have not seen that in the theater, but it was a fun 2AM movie.

[00:52:40] And other times you're like, hmm, cheaply shot in Atlanta, awful Louisiana movie.

[00:52:45] Hmm.

[00:52:46] I hope they got paid, you know?

[00:52:48] Yeah.

[00:52:49] Yeah, that's kind of the interesting thing about, especially some of the platforms that do their originals.

[00:52:56] And so there's a mix.

[00:52:57] So there's like a mix of their originals that they're putting out.

[00:53:00] To be fans for life.

[00:53:01] Or, you know, just all these different, there's just like a whole slew.

[00:53:06] I mean, there's just so many choices.

[00:53:08] Too many.

[00:53:09] Mm-hmm.

[00:53:09] Probably too many.

[00:53:11] It's a good and a bad thing.

[00:53:12] It is.

[00:53:13] I watch a double feature almost every night.

[00:53:16] Really?

[00:53:17] Good looking too.

[00:53:17] Okay.

[00:53:18] I watch a lot of movies.

[00:53:20] I watch them.

[00:53:21] A lot of movies.

[00:53:23] Nice.

[00:53:23] A ridiculous amount.

[00:53:25] So more choices in that scenario is in some ways really good.

[00:53:30] Cause I can have access to films that, you know, 15, 20 years ago would have been really difficult to get a hold of.

[00:53:40] To be as great for that movies that, I mean, where did that go?

[00:53:44] I don't know.

[00:53:44] But here it is on to be.

[00:53:46] And, but it also makes decision making that analysis paralysis.

[00:53:51] There's so many things like what you could scroll for an hour sometimes.

[00:53:55] And you're just like, I still haven't decided on something.

[00:53:58] No, you didn't get it.

[00:54:00] 20 years ago at Blockbuster, but here you are now.

[00:54:03] Yeah.

[00:54:04] Check this out.

[00:54:06] And if it's bad, I only spent, you know, I didn't have to feel the dread of ejecting the disc or.

[00:54:13] Right.

[00:54:16] I don't know.

[00:54:17] You felt more, you felt more committed when you went.

[00:54:20] Yes.

[00:54:20] All the way to the video store.

[00:54:24] Bingo.

[00:54:24] Got the rental, brought it home.

[00:54:27] And then to start it and just stop it was a lot harder to justify.

[00:54:31] Cause you're just like, man, I went to all this trouble.

[00:54:33] I might as well just watch the damn thing.

[00:54:34] I might as well buy it.

[00:54:35] I've had it too long.

[00:54:39] I think people are coming around a little.

[00:54:41] No, but it's just, even when it's a bad movie night, you just like, ah, I need that time

[00:54:47] back, you know, don't watch it.

[00:54:48] But now I think we're now the morbidly curious.

[00:54:50] You're like, I kind of like this, but I would have hated it back in the day.

[00:54:53] You know, I don't know.

[00:54:57] I mean, there, there have been times.

[00:54:59] There have been times where I'm 15 minutes into something and I'm like, nah.

[00:55:06] Lately I've been that way too, where it's like, I just cannot justify sitting through

[00:55:11] something that's either this bad or this boring or whatever.

[00:55:16] And yeah, I definitely have a lot more.

[00:55:18] Do something.

[00:55:19] But I guess if I, if I go to the movie theater, I'm not walking out of the theater, even if

[00:55:25] it's something terrible, but it's just not screaming.

[00:55:28] I'm like, no, I'm not sitting through this.

[00:55:31] I opted to do it once of my own accord.

[00:55:34] I wanted to do it with some apocalyptic movie one upon a time, but I couldn't because my uncle

[00:55:38] had drew me there.

[00:55:39] So there was no escaping.

[00:55:41] No, no.

[00:55:42] This was like a whole thing.

[00:55:43] A friend and I, we were visiting.

[00:55:47] We were out of town.

[00:55:48] We had taken the train.

[00:55:50] I was living in California at the time.

[00:55:52] We had taken the train.

[00:55:54] We get off in Sacramento.

[00:55:57] And we can't get ahold of anybody to come pick us up at the train station.

[00:56:01] We don't even know if they're going to be home.

[00:56:03] And this was like, call it, you know, like late teens, early twenties, like college age

[00:56:07] out of high school.

[00:56:09] And so it's like, they could be working.

[00:56:12] Well, I have no idea where these people are, but it's 90 degrees in the summer in Sacramento,

[00:56:17] California.

[00:56:17] And let's just go to the movies.

[00:56:20] Cause at least there's air conditioning.

[00:56:21] And then after the movie, we can call somebody.

[00:56:25] Maybe they'll be home and pick up by then.

[00:56:29] The movie was so bad.

[00:56:31] I don't even remember.

[00:56:31] It was one of those guys from American pie was the lead.

[00:56:36] One of those crude comedies where you're like, I'm pretty sure stupid was in the title.

[00:56:41] I, I might be wrong.

[00:56:44] We walked out.

[00:56:45] I was like, I don't even care.

[00:56:47] I don't care.

[00:56:47] I have sunstroke.

[00:56:48] I'm not sitting through this.

[00:56:50] I think you're, I think you're onto something.

[00:56:52] Cause like, well, my uncle doesn't do too much intense movies.

[00:56:55] He might do something like a plan of the apes type movie, but, uh, he does recall walking

[00:56:59] out and it was just a bad comedy.

[00:57:01] It was one of those.

[00:57:02] He wasn't in the right mindset.

[00:57:04] He can't even tell you what it was.

[00:57:05] It was like mid nineties back when he went often.

[00:57:07] And he's like, I don't know if I don't get it or if I'm too stupid to understand.

[00:57:12] Or if it's incompetent, but I've had two martinis and I'm going home.

[00:57:17] I'm done.

[00:57:18] Yeah.

[00:57:19] And so I do think comedies test our patience and trust me, my, my brother wanted to see

[00:57:24] every awful Adam Sandler movie back in the day.

[00:57:27] I'm like, no, deep hurting.

[00:57:31] Comedy is so it's like, that definitely is very subjective.

[00:57:35] Not everything is funny to everyone.

[00:57:39] Well, different types of humor.

[00:57:40] You know, I love how these comedians.

[00:57:42] Yeah.

[00:57:42] I love how these comedians have also changed how we look at them.

[00:57:45] We see people like Richard Belzer, service Silverman.

[00:57:48] I think Louie Anderson recently, you know, is like, I had no idea where the hell did that

[00:57:53] acting performance come from?

[00:57:54] And why are you so good at it?

[00:57:56] And I hope you didn't have to go to all the depths of your personal pain just for that

[00:58:01] one Oscar.

[00:58:02] You know, Marilyn Rajscob.

[00:58:05] She's one.

[00:58:06] And yeah.

[00:58:08] And no one knew her outside of Mr. Show and 24 and Larry Saunders.

[00:58:12] And you're like, oh, there's a reason she does drama so well.

[00:58:16] She's.

[00:58:17] She's been described as a female Andy Kaufman type.

[00:58:19] So I'm like, that makes sense.

[00:58:21] Yeah.

[00:58:23] I hope these movies just keep being marketed better.

[00:58:25] Like, I think whatever inevitable sequel comes out, it'll kill up the Super Bowl.

[00:58:32] Yeah.

[00:58:33] People are going to go.

[00:58:34] That looks awful.

[00:58:35] Let's see it.

[00:58:36] And then the other, you know, it looks badass.

[00:58:39] Let me call my wife.

[00:58:40] Let me call my co-worker.

[00:58:42] Let's go.

[00:58:42] You know, so it is in a way it's kind of, they're kind of rowdy movies.

[00:58:46] It kind of just gets you pumped.

[00:58:48] Like you're working out.

[00:58:49] This is true.

[00:58:49] I don't know why.

[00:58:51] Because.

[00:58:52] It's not really testosterone driven, if that makes sense.

[00:58:55] They're kind of more.

[00:58:56] But it's kinetic.

[00:58:58] It's kinetic because there's this race to get to that purge siren at the end.

[00:59:02] Right?

[00:59:04] It's moving.

[00:59:05] Kudos to them.

[00:59:06] They did change up the siren after a while.

[00:59:09] Sometimes they showed a timer once in a while and you're like, oh, fuck.

[00:59:13] Right.

[00:59:13] Yeah.

[00:59:13] You're going to get done in 20 minutes.

[00:59:15] You don't have time to kill more people.

[00:59:18] Yeah.

[00:59:19] There's something about movies where people are on the clock.

[00:59:23] They didn't mess with car cliches as much either.

[00:59:25] Like there wasn't as much of the whole, oh, my phone battery's dying or my, I lost my car keys.

[00:59:31] It was pretty much.

[00:59:32] What can I find?

[00:59:34] I guess.

[00:59:35] Fuck it.

[00:59:35] We're going to run.

[00:59:37] Well, the house we were just in gets set on.

[00:59:41] I love to that.

[00:59:42] Like they show people of different environment or not environmental, but like, what is that

[00:59:47] called awareness?

[00:59:49] It's like street streets, street smart streets.

[00:59:51] Yeah.

[00:59:52] Yeah.

[00:59:52] You know, it's like the situational awareness, situation, like market guy, like some people

[00:59:58] in a situation.

[01:00:00] Just they don't they don't think like defensively.

[01:00:05] Yes.

[01:00:06] You know, and other people do for different reasons.

[01:00:10] A person's life experience.

[01:00:11] You are correct.

[01:00:12] Think that way or other people don't.

[01:00:15] And that's one of the cool things in these movies to see people, how different people

[01:00:19] approach staying alive.

[01:00:20] You are correct.

[01:00:22] I love this with my security job all the time.

[01:00:24] I was training someone.

[01:00:25] We're going inside the quick trip just to get some candy bars or whatever.

[01:00:28] He's like, you're going to leave the car running.

[01:00:30] I'm like, yeah, sure.

[01:00:32] He's like, oh, there's some homeless out.

[01:00:33] I'm like, and.

[01:00:36] I'm not going to do anything, but he's clearly fear monger.

[01:00:40] He's like, just can you take the keys in with you?

[01:00:43] I'm like, go inside, get your happy meal, come back out.

[01:00:48] Tell me and I did my job.

[01:00:51] Would you do this if the boss was here?

[01:00:53] Yes.

[01:00:54] But his sorry ass isn't going to be down here.

[01:00:56] But I think it's true.

[01:00:58] I see so many people, they just, they dread about so many things.

[01:01:02] It's like, I'm worried about just getting stuff done ahead of time.

[01:01:06] I see so many other people, they get riled up.

[01:01:08] Did you see the way that person looked at you?

[01:01:10] I'm like, yeah.

[01:01:12] Who cares?

[01:01:13] See, I'm totally paranoid.

[01:01:16] I, I'm in, I step into somewhere.

[01:01:18] You are in your right to be.

[01:01:19] It's okay.

[01:01:19] And I'm looking at like, where are my exits?

[01:01:22] Uh huh.

[01:01:22] And I'm like peripheral vision.

[01:01:25] What's happening.

[01:01:26] I grew up in a really rough.

[01:01:29] My hometown was a really rough place.

[01:01:31] You're completely in your right.

[01:01:31] My.

[01:01:32] Yeah.

[01:01:32] So you get used to always being really hyper aware.

[01:01:36] My pal was in a inner city and he's a martial artist and everything, but he would set,

[01:01:40] I kid you not death traps on the locks to his car.

[01:01:44] I'm like, yeah, I don't know how you haven't lost a hand doing that.

[01:01:49] And sure enough, he'd come in here.

[01:01:51] He, he, he'd lost track of how many times he would be coming out to his car and he

[01:01:55] hear up.

[01:01:56] Oh, I mean, see what on the floor.

[01:01:58] I'm like, Jesus.

[01:02:00] Wow.

[01:02:01] I'm just glad he's out of that awful inner city.

[01:02:03] Now, whatever apartment complex he was in.

[01:02:05] It's like, so I think there is that, but to your credit, you've survived, you know,

[01:02:11] you've, I have, but it's okay to be street smart.

[01:02:16] Like I will often.

[01:02:18] I feel like I'm going to be put in a situation where I'm going to be put on the spot.

[01:02:21] I will definitely avoid those scenarios.

[01:02:22] It's like, okay, this is the person they're at this corner.

[01:02:25] They're going to be begging for monies for drugs.

[01:02:27] Okay.

[01:02:27] I'm going to take this U-turn here.

[01:02:29] You know, no one.

[01:02:30] Well, it's all about balance, right?

[01:02:31] Like to be completely oblivious.

[01:02:33] You put yourself.

[01:02:34] I think there's many oblivious to anything.

[01:02:37] Right?

[01:02:37] I see many who, I mean, we were telling.

[01:02:40] We were talking about January six deniers at the start.

[01:02:43] Oh, yeah.

[01:02:44] To be too paranoid is also not good for your health.

[01:02:50] I still see people who.

[01:02:51] Well, no, true.

[01:02:52] I see people who will still have one of those douchey shirts that says so and so took my job.

[01:02:57] I'm like, oh, Lord.

[01:03:01] Who?

[01:03:01] Who took the job?

[01:03:02] So annoying.

[01:03:03] Someone you hate?

[01:03:04] Sure.

[01:03:04] Do you want to work it anyway?

[01:03:05] No.

[01:03:07] It's like we're talking about.

[01:03:08] Policization.

[01:03:09] Policization.

[01:03:10] I mean, there's many things that will be politicized and more than half the time they're by the person who doesn't like to politicize stuff.

[01:03:17] Like, well, you lit the fire.

[01:03:19] So I've been fortunate enough with many of these chats to not have to kick out many people.

[01:03:24] I think I only kicked out like one person who was just like trolling.

[01:03:28] And again, he didn't seem that way.

[01:03:32] We did.

[01:03:32] We did have an amusing Star Trek one.

[01:03:35] And that was funny.

[01:03:36] Like he was deliberately trolling.

[01:03:37] He's like, if it doesn't have a creature or weird mystery, it sucks.

[01:03:42] Like, well, then you're not gonna like most of those.

[01:03:44] There's that's every five episodes.

[01:03:46] Yeah, you're not going to have much to say, but there's no monsters in any of these movies unless you got the space on me.

[01:03:51] So yeah, sorry.

[01:03:53] But yeah.

[01:03:54] And I don't know.

[01:03:55] I think a lot of people just they want to flame war and it's like, it's okay.

[01:03:59] Oh, sure.

[01:04:00] I'm in no rush to watch anything that's out now.

[01:04:02] I'll wait, but I'll I make sure I just turn the lights off and watch the movie.

[01:04:08] Often when I have my phone out, I'm taking note.

[01:04:11] That drives people crazy.

[01:04:12] And I was like, well, I'm not I'm not playing Candy Crush.

[01:04:15] But at the same time, if they request, I will.

[01:04:18] If I'm with a bunch of other people and there's intense intention needed for something is like, yeah, OK, screens off.

[01:04:23] But I don't know.

[01:04:25] As long as you're not doing that in the theater itself.

[01:04:29] Like, right.

[01:04:29] Oh, yeah.

[01:04:31] Please know.

[01:04:32] Babysitters.

[01:04:34] But then I'll still see people.

[01:04:35] They won't look at the rating.

[01:04:37] I'm like, why did you think taking the five year old to saw or Terminator?

[01:04:40] Or whatever.

[01:04:41] Good idea.

[01:04:43] What did you think was going to happen?

[01:04:45] I don't know.

[01:04:48] I'm without Phil.

[01:04:49] Like, I have a relative.

[01:04:50] I've seen that too.

[01:04:51] I've seen that happen.

[01:04:52] It's just like, what are you doing?

[01:04:54] I have yet to see anyone walk out of a Purge movie.

[01:04:56] I think they know what they're in for.

[01:04:57] Like it or don't like it.

[01:04:58] They're going to sit the whole outing and just to say they saw it.

[01:05:02] It reminds them of some 70s disaster or freaky movie.

[01:05:06] And they're definitely decent date movies, I'm sure.

[01:05:08] But I mean, I could do not.

[01:05:12] I had a relative who, despite the giant poster with the R rating, despite the trailer, they

[01:05:19] would.

[01:05:20] She kept taking her mother, who's already deaf, who she shouldn't be taking movies to

[01:05:24] in the first place, to new comedies.

[01:05:26] I'm like, well, she's not going to understand it.

[01:05:28] And you're probably going to be offended because this person's risque, you know, so

[01:05:36] they made sure they earned the R rating.

[01:05:37] So, I mean, I feel like people still like to be offended.

[01:05:41] I'm like, if it's rated R, there's no reason to be offended.

[01:05:44] You know what you're in for.

[01:05:46] Right.

[01:05:46] True.

[01:05:48] But there's like a there's like a baseline idea.

[01:05:51] Yeah.

[01:05:52] You know, I guess I and the reason it got that rating for a reason.

[01:05:57] And it wasn't just five.

[01:06:00] Half the time, though.

[01:06:01] I mean, I'd be OK with a PG-15, I guess if that solves the problem.

[01:06:06] But half the time, the rating the way I don't think that would be too much problem.

[01:06:11] No, because it seems like half the time they'll just read something and they have to dispute

[01:06:15] how many frames are in the right.

[01:06:18] Right.

[01:06:18] Which also makes you wonder if they're just trying to censor the person or if it's just

[01:06:23] politics.

[01:06:23] I don't know.

[01:06:24] It's very arbitrary sometimes.

[01:06:27] Very arbitrary.

[01:06:28] Yeah.

[01:06:29] Well, and you know, here in the US, which.

[01:06:33] I mean, I very actually apropos of a discussion about the purge, because there's not a lot of

[01:06:37] sex in the purge, there's a whole lot of violence, but not a lot of sex.

[01:06:41] Right.

[01:06:41] Yeah, this is a thing in American cinema, like something.

[01:06:45] Why is that?

[01:06:45] Why is it like some things are ultra violent and it's and it's only an R.

[01:06:51] But we're going to be an X if we see full frontal.

[01:06:54] Exactly.

[01:06:55] So it doesn't matter the context.

[01:06:56] We're going to give it to you anyway.

[01:06:58] Yeah.

[01:06:59] So I can see you chopped up from what's obscene or.

[01:07:03] And yet the two adults, even the TV stuff has borderline access rates, violence and sex.

[01:07:09] And they don't have to.

[01:07:11] FCC picks its battles, too.

[01:07:12] But I don't even know why it exists anymore since no one really complains anymore.

[01:07:17] I don't know.

[01:07:18] I really don't.

[01:07:19] I think enough people.

[01:07:22] A lot of people sleep at the will when they're watching movies.

[01:07:24] But that also makes you wonder why are you watching these movies when these require brain?

[01:07:28] I can be mindless.

[01:07:29] Not everything.

[01:07:30] But I like these points because if I have to literally know someone on the committee just

[01:07:34] to get my movie rated a certain way.

[01:07:36] I'm just like, right.

[01:07:39] The and then it becomes politicized in the tabloids and everyone goes, oh, so and so far for this rating is like.

[01:07:46] I just wanted the freedom to make what they wanted to make.

[01:07:50] Instead of be a yes, man.

[01:07:51] But kudos to all these filmmakers who are coming right out the back and trying to avoid having.

[01:07:57] Pretty douchey producers kill their career.

[01:07:59] I feel sorry for.

[01:08:01] Dakota Johnson and all those people who were tricked into doing Madame.

[01:08:05] Oh, yeah, they're their agent.

[01:08:07] I wasn't going to see that awful movie anyway, but their agent said, oh, this is part of the MCU.

[01:08:11] It's not. It's just Sony making money with the license.

[01:08:14] And then they're trying to kill the female director's career.

[01:08:17] And I good on her for saying I had zero involvement in this movie.

[01:08:20] I'm like, you go, girl, because we've seen those other guys who do a bad movie that got taken away from them, but they have an improved sense.

[01:08:29] And that's kind of always their excuse.

[01:08:31] So you don't.

[01:08:31] Yeah, yeah, that's how Josh Trank was who did some of the movies McCaffrey worked on.

[01:08:36] And I'm like, I don't know, man.

[01:08:40] I'm still got some movies that need some serious work.

[01:08:43] But then there's some other ones where it's like Albert Pion, who did those apocalyptic cyborg movies.

[01:08:49] Oh, yeah, I've seen several of them.

[01:08:52] Yeah, because Andrew DeVos is one of them.

[01:08:54] Yeah, that's true.

[01:08:56] Rutger Dauer.

[01:08:56] And but he was one of those.

[01:08:59] Just leave them to his devices and get your money back.

[01:09:02] And these apocalyptic movies.

[01:09:05] But sometimes he would tell different kinds of stories and you're like, I don't know what to make of that.

[01:09:10] But entertaining B movie.

[01:09:12] Mm hmm.

[01:09:13] Definitely imagination.

[01:09:15] I don't even know where you do find imagination, because it just seemed like a lot of people just want to still movie scenes.

[01:09:21] And you don't know how much of it is.

[01:09:24] It's a forced homage versus they meant it to be this way.

[01:09:27] But someone re edited it to capitalize on another movie.

[01:09:30] I don't know.

[01:09:30] Just read some poetry.

[01:09:31] Hell inspired.

[01:09:37] If they made a comic book or a book series of the purge, I'd buy it.

[01:09:42] Yeah, it would.

[01:09:43] It would work really well for that.

[01:09:46] And yes, like we've said before, there's going to be people misinterpreting it like the Punisher and all that stuff.

[01:09:51] And you'll be like, Jesus, dude.

[01:09:55] Oh, gee.

[01:09:56] Yeah.

[01:09:56] Yeah.

[01:09:57] I mean, there can't be fear around how are people going to interpret this because it's out of your hands once you put it out there.

[01:10:05] Yep.

[01:10:06] Make your art.

[01:10:07] Tell your story.

[01:10:09] Come at it from your perspective.

[01:10:12] Do what you want to do, regardless of what you do.

[01:10:14] Someone's going to interpret it with their own perspective, their own bias, their own lens.

[01:10:19] Like, yes, I have fear about that.

[01:10:22] Do an amusing commentary.

[01:10:24] No one seems to do this as much.

[01:10:25] They'll have like five special features.

[01:10:27] I'm like, I want to hear your amusing commentary.

[01:10:30] Can you give me a Roger Cormier-esque commentary where you're making fun of how out of focus the camera is in this shot or amusing behind the scenes tips at the opening premiere or something?

[01:10:41] Something that puts IMDb to shame.

[01:10:44] Nice.

[01:10:47] Keep using your fellow actors.

[01:10:48] They don't have to be awful people like Tom Cruise.

[01:10:52] Yeah.

[01:10:55] And hopefully, I mean, kudos to this because like there's some semi known stars again, like we talked about, but there wasn't many who.

[01:11:02] If one of them were to be canceled the next day, they wouldn't impact the movie.

[01:11:06] Yeah.

[01:11:07] Yeah.

[01:11:08] That's the start.

[01:11:08] You get these ensemble casts.

[01:11:10] Yeah.

[01:11:10] Mm hmm.

[01:11:11] So even if someone is a little bit of more of a household name than some of the rest of the cast, they're one small piece of this mosaic of violence and survival.

[01:11:23] Right.

[01:11:23] So it's not going to end the movie.

[01:11:26] Yep.

[01:11:26] It's not going to kill it.

[01:11:28] No pun.

[01:11:30] They might get reference in the next one.

[01:11:32] Hey, that guy we fired.

[01:11:34] So we did.

[01:11:37] I know they did that with the expanse, which Elizabeth Mitchell is in.

[01:11:42] They yeah, they had the Texan Middle Eastern guy.

[01:11:46] Amen.

[01:11:46] Not Amos.

[01:11:47] One of the other guys.

[01:11:48] He apparently was a terrible person behind the scenes, but he wasn't in many scenes.

[01:11:52] So the harassment didn't have an onset, but the word got back.

[01:11:54] And so they're like, well, we're going to kill him off anyway.

[01:11:58] So this works for everybody.

[01:12:00] I know.

[01:12:01] I wasn't aware of the off screen shenanigans.

[01:12:05] Me neither.

[01:12:06] I thought it was just bad behavior.

[01:12:08] And the book fans were OK with it, too, because the character survives.

[01:12:11] They're like.

[01:12:12] Yeah.

[01:12:13] Yeah.

[01:12:13] So when he died, I was like, oh, OK.

[01:12:17] And then then I heard I was like, oh, oh, OK.

[01:12:21] I'm glad that's what happened.

[01:12:23] And the amusing part is the motherfucker hung himself also.

[01:12:27] Oh, wow.

[01:12:28] Yeah.

[01:12:29] Like he started attacking his fans.

[01:12:31] Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[01:12:32] I'm like, OK.

[01:12:33] So even if we didn't have the Me Too accusation, I would still say I would still avoid you at

[01:12:37] a convention.

[01:12:38] Right.

[01:12:39] Someone might actually slug you and no one would bat an eye because being a pig.

[01:12:45] Mm hmm.

[01:12:46] Eragon, I have.

[01:12:47] I've had those before.

[01:12:48] Have you ever had that conversation where someone's being over the top at a convention?

[01:12:52] You're like, I'm just waiting for this person to leave the room.

[01:12:55] Yeah.

[01:12:57] There's a reason to be rude here.

[01:12:59] Everybody knows that's unnecessary.

[01:13:01] Mm hmm.

[01:13:02] I've had to avoid some of the Texas Frightmare ones recently because it's just the.

[01:13:06] Really?

[01:13:07] Yeah.

[01:13:07] Well, because it's just VIP lines.

[01:13:08] I'm like, I want to actually speak to the person instead of being in line for an hour.

[01:13:13] Right.

[01:13:13] Yeah.

[01:13:14] Yeah.

[01:13:14] I want to actually interact.

[01:13:16] The place is crazy.

[01:13:17] I was the last one.

[01:13:18] I was there in twenty eighteen.

[01:13:19] Kevin Yeager was there and he was actually embracing the Hellraiser for fan and doing

[01:13:23] tells from the crypt nice autographs and everything.

[01:13:26] But the next thing you know, I see there's the Sons of Anarchy guys there.

[01:13:30] But then I passed by one hall and Ron Perlman's talking like I didn't see him anywhere on

[01:13:34] the ballot.

[01:13:35] Is he a surprise guest?

[01:13:36] Yes.

[01:13:39] Is everyone allowed to go in there?

[01:13:40] Because that's the other thing, too, is like some places were, you know, looking

[01:13:44] for a ticket proof and other people coming on in.

[01:13:46] I'm like, so I don't want to get in trouble.

[01:13:48] And is this a free for all?

[01:13:50] Is anyone allowed to go into this room?

[01:13:52] Probably not.

[01:13:55] What's the point of even being in the room?

[01:13:56] I can.

[01:13:56] His voice is bellowing so loudly down the hall.

[01:13:59] I'm like, I can.

[01:14:00] I can hear it just.

[01:14:02] Yeah.

[01:14:03] Just take a nice little seat.

[01:14:05] And I don't know the hallway.

[01:14:07] Just like eBay, just put a price on it.

[01:14:09] It's like I'm going to spend 30 bucks on this person, 50 on this person.

[01:14:15] That varies on the rest.

[01:14:17] Yeah.

[01:14:18] Yeah.

[01:14:18] And yeah, it adds up.

[01:14:20] Are they selling an exclusive like photo diary book for an upcoming movie?

[01:14:25] Is there a premiere of their new slasher or drama film there?

[01:14:29] What's going on?

[01:14:30] Yeah.

[01:14:32] So that is what I do like about some of those conventions.

[01:14:34] They do actually premiere some of these indie films there.

[01:14:36] So I'm like, OK, cool, because that's not going to be a cons.

[01:14:40] Yeah, I did see the Robert Bronzy guy who.

[01:14:44] Is based his whole career off of doing impressions of Charles Bronson.

[01:14:49] Oh, interesting.

[01:14:50] I don't know if his acting has gotten better, but he seems like a nice guy.

[01:14:54] So I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

[01:14:56] Well, I love Charles Bronson.

[01:14:58] He clearly loves Charles Bronson.

[01:15:00] Yeah.

[01:15:00] My hat's off to you, sir.

[01:15:02] Yeah.

[01:15:03] Yeah.

[01:15:03] Good taste.

[01:15:05] Well, and fortunately, a lot of those B movie guys have also who were being unprofessional

[01:15:09] have kind of left the industry.

[01:15:11] So that's good.

[01:15:12] No.

[01:15:13] Yeah.

[01:15:13] I like how unit production managers and first 80s will report stuff.

[01:15:18] It won't be something like Russ where it's a movie that will come out, but it's forever damned by.

[01:15:23] Mm hmm.

[01:15:24] Mm hmm.

[01:15:25] Off screen behavior and you're just like, Jesus, you had all these warning signs, guys.

[01:15:29] I like how there's intimacy coordinators.

[01:15:32] I like how someone will actually just rewrite the movie now, like the writers will actually be on the set instead of be like, you figure it out.

[01:15:39] It's so obvious.

[01:15:40] Well, clearly not.

[01:15:42] Rewrite it a bit like we just lost Robert Town.

[01:15:46] I do was like the king script doctor.

[01:15:49] Yeah.

[01:15:49] Oh, yeah.

[01:15:50] We wrote the Don speech in the Godfather, did plenty about her biker and.

[01:15:55] War movies and Roger Corman slashers there, and he's like, yeah, no, it's pretty cool.

[01:15:59] I'm going to miss him.

[01:16:00] Yeah.

[01:16:01] Mm hmm.

[01:16:03] And hopefully anyone who's just being a jerk out there, just keep your mouth shut, please.

[01:16:10] Don't just be nice to your fans.

[01:16:14] It's a good idea.

[01:16:16] Just in fact, if someone was driving me crazy, I would give them a free autograph just so they go away.

[01:16:20] Just go.

[01:16:21] Everyone.

[01:16:23] And the people on the line would thank you.

[01:16:25] They'd be like, hey, he was in a hurry.

[01:16:28] Yeah.

[01:16:28] Yeah.

[01:16:29] I'm going to take a piece of paper.

[01:16:31] Yeah.

[01:16:33] And if the person really is being awful, then just have extra security there to say, hey, why are you asking all these perverted questions to the talent?

[01:16:41] Can you go away?

[01:16:42] Right.

[01:16:43] Yeah.

[01:16:45] Did you actually kill someone unsaid?

[01:16:47] Well, first off, why would you ask me that?

[01:16:49] I'm not.

[01:16:50] And no one did.

[01:16:52] Oh, the mystery science theater guys are really good at deflecting humor.

[01:16:57] Like, you know, too much about us.

[01:16:59] That's I mean, that's a useful.

[01:17:01] That's a useful skill.

[01:17:03] RIP tracks and new MST for K are cool, but the whole different story.

[01:17:07] But I still will follow Frank Conniff and Trace Bowie with their Mads are Back tour because they're just film connoisseurs in general.

[01:17:14] So they'll always have some fun interaction with the audience, especially if they had a diss that went too far.

[01:17:19] You're like, oh, did I hurt your feelings?

[01:17:23] Don't worry.

[01:17:24] The next rift's even better.

[01:17:27] I think we've covered all layers.

[01:17:29] Yeah.

[01:17:30] That was a fun discussion.

[01:17:32] Yes, it was.

[01:17:34] Thanks for having me.

[01:17:34] Miss Valdez, would you like to promote anything before we take off?

[01:17:38] Oh, let's see.

[01:17:39] I mean, there's always a little something coming up.

[01:17:42] Yeah.

[01:17:43] Matt is one of my favorite people to talk movies with.

[01:17:46] So I we have some things down, you know, ideas, things will happen soonish.

[01:17:54] And there's always there's always something I have fun being the eternal podcast guest.

[01:18:00] Yeah.

[01:18:01] So folks can follow me on Twitter and Letterboxx and kind of on blue sky at Carmelita.

[01:18:09] Kind of.

[01:18:10] Yes.

[01:18:11] Awesome.

[01:18:12] Lovely.

[01:18:13] Erica, you're always staying busy.

[01:18:15] You have anything you want to plug in any way?

[01:18:17] Well, I haven't really had time to do any blogging for a while, but you can find me on the cinema roundtable podcast, which I believe is on Spotify.

[01:18:28] Oh, lovely.

[01:18:29] And it's also on the KZUM radio station if you live in the Lincoln, Nebraska area.

[01:18:36] Woo.

[01:18:38] Nebraska.

[01:18:39] Yeah.

[01:18:42] Awesome.

[01:18:43] So I'll aim.

[01:18:45] How about we try a.

[01:18:48] Oh, we go for October sometime for homing.

[01:18:53] Nice, nice.

[01:18:59] Yep.

[01:18:59] That'd be about third, fourth.

[01:19:01] Yeah, that'd be fine.

[01:19:02] All right.

[01:19:03] So that's good.

[01:19:04] Off to the editing table.

[01:19:06] Excellent.

[01:19:07] Well, thank you so much.

[01:19:09] Anytime.

[01:19:09] Thank you for having me.

[01:19:11] Everyone.

[01:19:11] It was nice to sleep.

[01:19:13] Yeah.

[01:19:14] And you guys did bring up some anxiety.

[01:19:15] I can recommend this one cool thing that I've been using.

[01:19:19] OmniPimp.

[01:19:20] It imitates brain waves and de-stresses one.

[01:19:26] Interesting.

[01:19:27] I put it on the back of your head or just on your chest.

[01:19:29] I'm going to look into that.

[01:19:31] Oh, they have a four installment plan plus a discount.

[01:19:37] I'm using that along with Quivik and that gets better sleep.

[01:19:40] Nice.

[01:19:41] Because that's unfortunately the main reason why people have trouble

[01:19:44] sleeping is just the stress.

[01:19:45] The.

[01:19:46] Mm hmm.

[01:19:46] And I would fear about not fearing and that added up to.

[01:19:50] Ah, I'm not going to sleep now at six.

[01:19:52] This is bad.

[01:19:53] My mother is a teeth grinder in her sleep.

[01:19:56] Oh.

[01:19:57] And I thought I thought that I was safe.

[01:20:01] No.

[01:20:03] No.

[01:20:05] Just this last year, I started like, man, what is my.

[01:20:08] Man, what is going on with my mouth first thing in the morning?

[01:20:11] I can feel it.

[01:20:11] I'm like, oh, I don't know.

[01:20:13] Grinding my teeth in my sleep.

[01:20:15] Oh.

[01:20:17] Yes.

[01:20:19] Yeah.

[01:20:20] It.

[01:20:20] We all do nervous habits.

[01:20:22] And then by the time we realize is like, oh, I've been scratching myself.

[01:20:26] I got this rash.

[01:20:27] Oh, shit.

[01:20:30] Oh, we find ways of coping.

[01:20:33] Mm hmm.

[01:20:34] Bingo.

[01:20:37] Podcasting is one of them.

[01:20:38] Well, so thank you.

[01:20:40] Bingo.

[01:20:41] It kept me saying during COVID.

[01:20:43] And now that we're coming out during COVID, I'm now picking my battles like, OK, I'll

[01:20:46] go there.

[01:20:46] I'm not.

[01:20:47] I'm still not going to concerts.

[01:20:49] Mm hmm.

[01:20:50] Sure.

[01:20:50] Yeah.

[01:20:52] Makes sense.

[01:20:55] I seriously hope it's fruitful and just out of info rest of the year.

[01:21:00] We all got different events to go to.

[01:21:02] I got to go to a wedding.

[01:21:04] All right.

[01:21:05] Yeah.

[01:21:06] Here's hoping.

[01:21:07] Yeah.

[01:21:09] Because even the people who keep us down shouldn't want to even keep putting the hammer down.

[01:21:14] Well, I get boring being the right.

[01:21:17] Mm hmm.

[01:21:19] And those guys get covered.

[01:21:21] Just like.

[01:21:25] If no one comes to your funeral, that's a sign.

[01:21:28] I was just listening and I'll let you go.

[01:21:31] I listen to a great slate magazine podcasts.

[01:21:35] Hmm.

[01:21:35] I usually would not borrow the movie reviews, but they have the podcast history stuff figured

[01:21:39] out and they had one called one year, which talks about crucial events that literally

[01:21:43] changed the country.

[01:21:45] And they had one on Harvey Milk and the laws.

[01:21:48] John.

[01:21:49] Yeah.

[01:21:50] And they talked about how Briggs, no one even wrote an obituary about that son of a bitch

[01:21:55] when he died at the start of COVID.

[01:21:58] Yeah.

[01:21:59] Yeah.

[01:21:59] You're dead to us.

[01:22:01] Everyone wrote about Harvey and some of the other people who wronged him, but no one wrote

[01:22:05] about this guy who started the mess because I wanted to sweep him under the rug.

[01:22:10] Yeah.

[01:22:11] Go away.

[01:22:12] Bye.

[01:22:12] Forever.

[01:22:14] You hate gays.

[01:22:15] You think every one of them is a pedophile.

[01:22:17] Yeah, you're a pretty bad person.

[01:22:19] You're for the death penalty.

[01:22:20] Good Lord.

[01:22:21] Yeah.

[01:22:22] Thanks.

[01:22:23] No, thanks.

[01:22:24] And his son became a politician and he didn't want to spend time with the minor.

[01:22:27] Oh, wow.

[01:22:29] He's like, yeah, next question.

[01:22:31] I have nothing nice to say about that.

[01:22:33] Well, fortunately, we got good parents here.

[01:22:35] So.

[01:22:36] Hey.

[01:22:37] Hey.

[01:22:38] Have a good night.

[01:22:39] Always a delight, guys.

[01:22:41] It was fun.

[01:22:42] Thank you.

[01:22:43] Thank you.

[01:22:43] Simple to the point.

[01:22:45] And let us not encounter any ne'er-do-wells who prey on people.

[01:22:50] Yeah.

[01:22:51] Yeah.

[01:22:51] That would be nice.

[01:22:52] True.

[01:22:53] And let's go to a movie and not have anyone throw tomatoes at it.

[01:22:56] That'd be cool, too.

[01:22:57] That would also be cool.

[01:22:58] Right.

[01:22:59] Or film it.

[01:23:00] Yeah.

[01:23:01] Yeah.

[01:23:02] That's crazy.

[01:23:03] I.

[01:23:04] Yeah.

[01:23:05] It happens a lot.

[01:23:06] I saw.

[01:23:07] I once saw a couple making out at a movie and it was a serial killer movie.

[01:23:10] I'm like, you had grief.

[01:23:12] Well, now that might be the best place.

[01:23:14] I mean, I was a teenager.

[01:23:15] I mean, I've been there, but filming the movie, filming it with your phone.

[01:23:21] That's crazy.

[01:23:22] They're in the back of the theater, but I'm just like, yes.

[01:23:25] Okay.

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