The Best Moments on THE SHIELD TV Show (with Oreo Brewer & Disc-Connected's Ryan Verrill)

[00:00:00] I'm a different kind of cop. I'm a man from every scumbag in town.

[00:00:16] They didn't hurt it. I don't feel bad about taking it.

[00:00:19] How about bringing force down on the street?

[00:00:24] I'll take a look at what you got going on under your own roof.

[00:00:28] I never put the money above us.

[00:00:31] How long do you think that's gonna last?

[00:00:33] I don't want to think in our lives anymore.

[00:00:34] You're investigating me?

[00:00:37] Vic McKeith beats Sash Max, can deal drugs.

[00:00:40] And it's just all in one day.

[00:00:42] What are we gonna do tomorrow?

[00:00:45] Everybody down!

[00:00:46] Mind is just getting started.

[00:01:30] Hey man, it's been a minute.

[00:01:45] It sure has.

[00:01:46] There's no shortage of physical media.

[00:01:50] Yeah, my life has changed dramatically since I last talked to you.

[00:01:53] So, it's gonna be interesting.

[00:01:55] What was even better?

[00:01:56] We can't not talk about THE SHIELD, so we have just decided,

[00:01:59] you know, we could talk about favorite moments.

[00:02:02] Last time we had Ryan Verrill on to discuss our favorite moments on the office

[00:02:07] and Oreo is always a treat with how he dissects an anime,

[00:02:12] sums up how vibrant the colors complement a narrative in a comic book.

[00:02:17] He's one of those guys.

[00:02:18] So, we all got our nuggets ready to go.

[00:02:21] We're all heading dive into a show that is guaranteed to not only traumatize one,

[00:02:26] but also just shatter your mind.

[00:02:30] Like it was one of the first shows I wanted to binge.

[00:02:33] But before that was a thing, but at the same time,

[00:02:36] I got a headache just watching an episode.

[00:02:38] It was so good.

[00:02:39] Yeah.

[00:02:42] Where were you there from day one?

[00:02:45] Or were you kind of like some of the rest of us where you got into it a few years after it ended?

[00:02:51] For me, I got kind of lucky.

[00:02:54] I happened to have, this is really funny, but my parents introduced the show to me.

[00:03:00] Whoa!

[00:03:01] Mom, dad!

[00:03:04] I had just moved out of my house.

[00:03:07] Had just graduated high school.

[00:03:08] I was doing some odd jobs, just moved out and came back for like a dinner.

[00:03:13] Hopefully not stealing money from the Armenians, right?

[00:03:15] Not yet.

[00:03:16] I was still fairly young.

[00:03:18] I don't have to learn yet.

[00:03:20] Yeah, I was fairly young and I came back for like a family dinner.

[00:03:23] And my dad was like, you got to see the show.

[00:03:25] And I grew up in Southern California.

[00:03:29] I grew up in some of the areas that are referenced in a couple of episodes of this town.

[00:03:34] I was born in a sort of like an outskirts of LA little suburb.

[00:03:38] And then we moved up to the high desert and there's a couple,

[00:03:41] there's a couple storylines where they refer, I believe in this show,

[00:03:45] this is the one that it was referred to as Sad Town.

[00:03:48] I kind of like the closer they do take some existing places

[00:03:51] and then give it a nickname.

[00:03:53] Yeah, it's basically the place and this has been proven to happen before.

[00:03:58] In LA, they used to take a couple of the gang bangers and put them on

[00:04:02] like a Greyhound bus that was only going to the tiny little desert town

[00:04:07] that I grew up in and then they would live there for the rest of their life,

[00:04:10] basically because I believe it.

[00:04:11] They're like the biggest baddest man in the town now.

[00:04:13] Dallas PD here got in a bunch of issues with putting homeless on the bus.

[00:04:19] Yep.

[00:04:19] It's just like good grief that doesn't solve the problem.

[00:04:23] And those people are still people, but yeah, it's yeah.

[00:04:27] Get on the bus, get in the back.

[00:04:30] Oh, I was at the wheel.

[00:04:32] Oh my God.

[00:04:34] Oh, my God.

[00:04:35] Another field trip with the friends.

[00:04:38] Yeah, Rosa Parks were still whether she'd be just shaking her head.

[00:04:41] She'd be like really?

[00:04:44] Really?

[00:04:45] This is what society's come to.

[00:04:48] Yeah, no, that's that's a good point though, too.

[00:04:51] I mean, because the show does bring up the whole turf wars and how

[00:04:56] it's going to go.

[00:04:57] And I knew other people who loved kind of bad asses like Charles Bronson

[00:05:01] who will watch this and they would literally have their mind shattered

[00:05:04] because it was more than just another NYVD blue or SVU type show.

[00:05:09] You know, they had the guys who worked on the wire also.

[00:05:12] And homicide also work on this and you got Sean Ryan, you know,

[00:05:16] gone from brought some of his crew from Nash bridges, but

[00:05:20] they wanted more of a surpreco training day type feel.

[00:05:23] So it's just interesting how and many of the riders that were also

[00:05:27] horror fans.

[00:05:28] So that's why they'd have all these disturbing crime scenes and dark

[00:05:31] humor and you're like, good grief that there's so many elements

[00:05:34] and they work anyone else if they tried it would probably be too

[00:05:37] many cooks.

[00:05:38] Well, and this is the first like actual cable show not premium

[00:05:43] show like yeah, but actual cable show that pushed many of these

[00:05:47] boundaries.

[00:05:48] There are there are many scenes in the show that were

[00:05:52] controversial is kind of putting it lightly other than South Park.

[00:05:55] There weren't many who wanted attempted they weren't interested in

[00:05:58] FCC standards.

[00:06:00] They're like, we'll just have a few uses of shed and maybe

[00:06:02] you know some references, but we're not going to have actual

[00:06:06] like morbid crime scenes that get under your skin or

[00:06:11] South Park wasn't showing a detective hitting on a dead prostitute

[00:06:15] side boob.

[00:06:17] Yeah.

[00:06:18] Yeah.

[00:06:20] There wasn't semen at a crime scene on South Park.

[00:06:24] Yeah, there wasn't.

[00:06:25] There wasn't anything involving just.

[00:06:30] Demented serial killers who had just weird confessions and

[00:06:36] seeing just the trauma going for these detectives who are

[00:06:39] just like I don't feel like I can perform normally tomorrow

[00:06:43] at my job.

[00:06:44] Oh yeah.

[00:06:45] And the bad guy is the main character.

[00:06:48] So and I do applied Michael Chiklis who when Bravo TV back

[00:06:54] when they were still a real big thing before they kind of sold

[00:06:57] out to being reality TV, they did like top 50 villains back

[00:07:00] in the day and he was featured on there and he's like my

[00:07:03] character is a mixture of Hannibal Lecter and Tony

[00:07:06] Soprano.

[00:07:06] And before that he was the commission.

[00:07:09] Right.

[00:07:09] And I'm not a good cop anymore.

[00:07:11] And it's so funny how the directors were like I don't see

[00:07:15] him as this, but he had shaved his head.

[00:07:17] He had lost some weight by working out in the gym and you do

[00:07:21] look at the audition tape which you can find on YouTube

[00:07:23] if anyone wants and you're just like man that is just

[00:07:27] so creepy.

[00:07:29] I love a heel turn.

[00:07:31] Yeah.

[00:07:32] I could host anyone, you know, because and I'm glad

[00:07:37] you did bring up the edginess because like now

[00:07:40] that movie stars are now taking advantage of doing TV.

[00:07:44] It is interesting seeing how Chiklis has kind of done a

[00:07:48] similar thing where he kind of recreates himself.

[00:07:50] He's been on Gotham American Horror Story.

[00:07:53] I actually think many people would like the show Coyote,

[00:07:56] but it just came out at the turn of the pandemic and no

[00:07:58] one saw it.

[00:08:00] But same kind of deal.

[00:08:02] He was playing it.

[00:08:03] He was playing a crooked Border Patrol cop.

[00:08:06] Nice on this was the show that inspired pretty much

[00:08:10] everything that's come after it.

[00:08:12] That was either successfully edgy or the really bad ones

[00:08:16] that were really trying hard to be edgy and couldn't be.

[00:08:20] But this was this is what came first.

[00:08:22] This is what a lot of those shows this is the bar

[00:08:25] that they were held to and a lot of people they go back

[00:08:27] to breaking bad because it hit mainstream right when

[00:08:31] Netflix was getting big, but really this is where

[00:08:33] the bar started as well.

[00:08:35] And that unfortunately not many know that Sony was

[00:08:39] the one who pushed for both of these shows, but many

[00:08:42] thought it just started with Breaking Bad and it's like,

[00:08:44] well, okay, Breaking Bad might have made it more

[00:08:47] addicting, but yeah, show was the one where you're like

[00:08:50] this is FX has to be edgy.

[00:08:53] It can't just show reruns of, you know, box-owned

[00:08:57] shows anymore.

[00:08:57] It's kind of and but that is true.

[00:09:00] I mean TNT and A&E would do some edgy shows

[00:09:02] where I'm like, yeah, they're definitely open

[00:09:04] the shield there.

[00:09:05] If not Jack Bauer.

[00:09:06] Dynasty was so edgy.

[00:09:11] Can you imagine big buying like drugs or weapons from

[00:09:15] those guys?

[00:09:15] He'd be like an exchange be like, what are you dumb

[00:09:19] hits in here for now?

[00:09:22] Think of the edgiest show on A&E fucking storage wars.

[00:09:26] Oh my goodness.

[00:09:28] Yeah, to them.

[00:09:31] Oh my God.

[00:09:32] See him shoot him.

[00:09:33] Yeah.

[00:09:36] Look out, Lim.

[00:09:37] Yeah.

[00:09:39] Fuck that.

[00:09:40] Oh, and kudos to the actors.

[00:09:42] They had worked together before both Lim and you know,

[00:09:47] played by Kenny Johnson and Shane, played by Walton

[00:09:50] Goggins.

[00:09:51] They were major league free.

[00:09:54] But I mean it has been fun seeing them before

[00:09:57] they were famous, Lil loan and other roles because

[00:10:00] they they owe so much to this, but they're just

[00:10:03] so talented in their own right.

[00:10:04] So I mean, I do think unlike Sopranos, they most of the

[00:10:09] cast really did go on to even better and cooler stuff after

[00:10:12] to where they already have like a top 10 list you can

[00:10:15] name off.

[00:10:16] You know, oh, usually especially Walton Goggins.

[00:10:19] Right now with Sopranos other than Imperiali and Falco

[00:10:23] and Hedelfini would kind of struggle because the other

[00:10:25] guys had kind of just done just, you know, supporting

[00:10:27] stuff and just or done cameo roles, perioding their

[00:10:32] Sopranos roles.

[00:10:33] Well, that and we're at the point now where we can actually

[00:10:37] tie Sopranos to the shield in sort of an off way.

[00:10:42] Yes.

[00:10:43] We have a we have a actor that was in both that not in the

[00:10:47] shield and Sopranos, although there are a lot of

[00:10:49] crossovers on on that actually too.

[00:10:52] But on the big one that I'm getting at is of course

[00:10:55] in the Sopranos.

[00:10:56] We have Christopher's fiance.

[00:10:59] I'm going to say, good to watch you.

[00:11:01] Draya.

[00:11:02] Yeah, she was also in Sons of Anarchy, which is yes.

[00:11:05] Oh, yeah.

[00:11:06] Shield.

[00:11:07] Yes.

[00:11:08] And I had to tell some other pals of mine.

[00:11:10] They didn't believe it.

[00:11:11] I'm like guys listen to the Shattered Shield podcast.

[00:11:13] Sean Ryan confirms it while talking about it.

[00:11:16] You know, he gave that head writer who also plays

[00:11:20] that one serial killer.

[00:11:22] Yep.

[00:11:23] On the show that Vic kills is like, yeah, he wanted to

[00:11:26] re-use that same fictional 49ers gang.

[00:11:29] I mean, the Bozlatz that other violent elegant gang are

[00:11:33] so a cell nuclear weapons on the final season of the unit.

[00:11:37] Another Sean Ryan production and see I thought that was

[00:11:40] just a rumor at first, but I went back and confirmed it

[00:11:42] and they're still doing it.

[00:11:43] There was a few utter canceled narc shows that were

[00:11:46] styled as the shield and they had some of the same

[00:11:48] writers and they would again, they would use the

[00:11:49] Bozlatz and 49ers right now Billings per V detective.

[00:11:55] He appeared on SWAT and same thing Sean Ryan's like co-producer,

[00:12:00] but I knew that even before then because by the third episode

[00:12:03] of that first season, the 49ers took over a prison.

[00:12:07] I think they're a cool gang because they hide behind their

[00:12:11] faith and they just you just think there's going to be

[00:12:14] violence is because they're so intimidating even if it doesn't

[00:12:17] get to that point and Vic.

[00:12:20] It's just so funny how he plays everybody for a fool.

[00:12:23] They're like, Oh, he's a do she's an asshole, but we had no

[00:12:26] idea he pulled off all these on thinkable except for

[00:12:31] claw debt.

[00:12:31] She called on his ass.

[00:12:32] Yeah.

[00:12:33] Well, that's just it.

[00:12:34] She always had a bad feeling, but because of the blue

[00:12:36] with a lot of shield and the blue wall is so to speak.

[00:12:42] You know, it's just all that all these other politics

[00:12:44] and dealing with her own health.

[00:12:46] You know, it's like no one has time to babysit him

[00:12:49] and shame on a Siveta for saying he's an awful person,

[00:12:52] but we kind of actually need him to do some stuff and I'll

[00:12:55] just that's what's also just twisted too is how as a Vita

[00:13:00] you just like I should like him, but he's also on making me

[00:13:04] on subtle just, you know, what's his agenda?

[00:13:07] And then his rape finish.

[00:13:09] That's the other thing too.

[00:13:11] Yeah, it's like you would they would also that was

[00:13:15] actually one of the first episodes I ever saw and I was

[00:13:17] like, Oh my goodness.

[00:13:19] Sucking up.

[00:13:22] Well, and then he's getting into a hooker and doing the same

[00:13:26] shit.

[00:13:27] Yeah.

[00:13:28] He keeps going to his wife.

[00:13:30] I'm okay.

[00:13:31] It's like you're not okay.

[00:13:33] That was a traumatic thing.

[00:13:35] I love you.

[00:13:36] It's okay.

[00:13:37] It's okay.

[00:13:39] Why do I like the taste of hot dogs so much?

[00:13:43] And then he becomes a politician and you're like, oh,

[00:13:46] no, no, no dude.

[00:13:49] You're going to cross the lines there at some fans.

[00:13:53] I've had a hysterical theory that he probably goes on to

[00:13:57] kill the one guy who's trying to blackmail him.

[00:13:59] Oh, nice.

[00:14:00] And I'm like, I can actually see that.

[00:14:03] I don't know why because he's not one for violence,

[00:14:07] but he also I mean.

[00:14:09] He is one of those where once he goes to the dark

[00:14:13] side by like season three or just like, yeah, it's

[00:14:16] it's all downhill from here.

[00:14:19] that's the other thing too is just Vic is charismatic,

[00:14:22] but you love to hate him.

[00:14:24] You're just like and then

[00:14:27] then you see all these much like Supre Tony.

[00:14:30] You I mean, the fact that they begin the first episode

[00:14:33] where he's at a barbecue and you're getting to know him

[00:14:35] is the same kind of scenario like let's sit down to eat

[00:14:38] and so we already know how he thinks and at first

[00:14:42] we think he's an imperfect, you know, prickly guy

[00:14:45] who happens to be the good guy and is like, nope.

[00:14:47] He's a scumbag.

[00:14:48] He just he just happens to be a Narkby day and in a way

[00:14:53] he's almost kind of like the Punisher too.

[00:14:55] But if you know if Frank Castle lost it, you know,

[00:14:58] and just said I'm going to clean up the crime

[00:15:01] and then I'm going to blackmail people who are

[00:15:03] on to me, you know, isn't it?

[00:15:05] It is also just one of those you really honestly

[00:15:08] cannot take your eyes off it and

[00:15:12] but yeah, there is plenty of crossover and

[00:15:14] I did see some other people who had been on

[00:15:17] on order CSI and 24 and and not as much for Sopranos,

[00:15:22] but I did see some.

[00:15:25] I saw I do think it and Oz have some similar stuff

[00:15:29] where it uses the shock value to get you to pay attention

[00:15:32] to some hot topics.

[00:15:34] But unfortunately, most people were responding to just

[00:15:39] the disturbing content as opposed to kind of listening.

[00:15:42] But I mean, still many people will often put it on best TV

[00:15:47] shows of all time.

[00:15:48] I I've seen many listed as one of the best finales ever.

[00:15:53] And I've seen some people complain about it briefly,

[00:15:57] but I think it was just one of those season six was a breather

[00:16:00] is like, Lim is dead.

[00:16:02] Now what's going to happen?

[00:16:04] And then and then season seven, you know, is now

[00:16:07] he's everybody's going to get caught die or go to prison.

[00:16:10] Well, also this is before we had the trope of whatever

[00:16:17] the big show is like Breaking Bad famously did it where they

[00:16:20] took their last season and broke it into two different parts

[00:16:22] like a season five.

[00:16:24] Yeah, I was like, I did it a bit.

[00:16:26] But yeah, it was before you could.

[00:16:29] I mean, you can do it with some shows, but most people

[00:16:32] had just cable and Tevo if they wanted the extra expense

[00:16:36] and if they didn't have cable at all, they would just

[00:16:39] go to Blackbuster and either buy the whole set or rent.

[00:16:42] And I'm telling you guys, renting this back then was

[00:16:45] the worst because the first two discs would always be out of

[00:16:48] stock.

[00:16:49] So you didn't know how to begin the show.

[00:16:51] I still have my full complete series set that I bought on

[00:16:54] DVD way back like the about four months after the last

[00:16:58] season aired.

[00:16:59] I gave mine to another podcast friend, but I want to

[00:17:02] get the new remastered Blu-ray pack because it just

[00:17:05] looks so good.

[00:17:07] You've never seen the show look that detailed.

[00:17:10] Yeah, but the whole splitting the season than a half thing

[00:17:14] that season six is basically a lead in and really is a lot

[00:17:18] of people were pissed off at the end of it because it just

[00:17:20] felt I mean, it felt like they were getting edged

[00:17:22] essentially.

[00:17:23] It was like, oh, here we go.

[00:17:24] Here we go.

[00:17:25] Oh, now we got to wait seven months to see you remember

[00:17:27] the promos for it where you see Vic and Shane at a

[00:17:32] tombstone.

[00:17:33] You're like, what is that?

[00:17:34] What is that?

[00:17:36] Who died?

[00:17:39] It was a big deal.

[00:17:40] That was before all the walking dead marketing got just

[00:17:43] like that.

[00:17:44] Fun fact.

[00:17:47] Neil Montaurorrazo, I think his name.

[00:17:51] Vince somebody.

[00:17:52] He went on to write for walking dead actually.

[00:17:55] Yep.

[00:17:56] But no, that is true.

[00:17:58] I mean the the split ups.

[00:18:00] I mean the 10 episode deal too.

[00:18:02] I mean and I mean, Stabler from SVU is back on his own show

[00:18:08] and I feel them taking some inspiration from it too.

[00:18:10] Just that whole have a vice squad that's not like any

[00:18:13] or vice squad have right have some guys who are breaking

[00:18:17] the rules and look forward.

[00:18:20] I mean, JLo and Ray Leota had a show that was on for

[00:18:22] three years.

[00:18:23] That was pretty good called shades of blue.

[00:18:25] Mm hmm.

[00:18:26] So but I do feel that some of everyone's while I'll see

[00:18:29] a critic who in their movie or TV review will say I feel

[00:18:33] like Vic Mackie is in the show.

[00:18:35] I'm like, oh, I see what you are.

[00:18:36] I see what you're a fan of.

[00:18:39] Oh, there's plenty of running gags for a show that often

[00:18:44] has a boy of Dutch you're going to go in Dutch is right

[00:18:48] in like that.

[00:18:49] It's kind of wild how you needed a straight man.

[00:18:53] But often he's getting his ass kicked by like the most

[00:18:57] simplest easy to crack case or he's being made a fool and

[00:19:03] he doesn't know how or what he missed.

[00:19:05] It is wild just seeing a straight man in this CD underbelly

[00:19:10] of you know, unprofessional characters and other just

[00:19:14] the fact that he also has to embrace evil.

[00:19:17] He has to figure out why do serial killers kill and

[00:19:20] that can start but yeah, he takes an interest in Danny

[00:19:24] and Danny is already kind of in a triangle with Vic and you're

[00:19:29] like, oh my God, you fell for the bad boy.

[00:19:31] Why?

[00:19:33] It is wild to how Billings is playing pranks on people.

[00:19:37] He is like the most unhelpful detective ever.

[00:19:43] It was just also just wild how I think it avoided being

[00:19:48] soapy by just again just like you're just going in so many

[00:19:54] directions.

[00:19:55] One minute you're being thrilled and the next minute you're

[00:19:57] being horrified then you're also just like what the hell is

[00:20:01] happening in this cold?

[00:20:02] You know, it's not about who got murdered so much as it is.

[00:20:07] What is happening right now and how is this going to affect

[00:20:11] the rest of the season?

[00:20:14] Right.

[00:20:16] What's her name?

[00:20:18] Paula Garza's character was pretty cool Tina.

[00:20:21] I thought that was cool.

[00:20:21] I was like here we got a rookie and you know, Danny instantly

[00:20:25] tells you don't get comfortable.

[00:20:28] You know, this is not the division to start flirting with

[00:20:34] other officers and detectives and the fact that Shane also

[00:20:39] gives Vic a run at for his money because like he, we talked

[00:20:45] before about people who have no identity.

[00:20:47] Like we were talking about some of the wire characters

[00:20:49] who don't know why they even exist.

[00:20:52] Isn't so funny how Shane you think it's just going to be the

[00:20:55] yes man to Vic, but yeah, Lemon starts Lemon head starts

[00:21:00] having regrets and you know and Shane is just willing to

[00:21:06] just do extra cover-ups to where you're like good God.

[00:21:10] Why is it wild how Vic wouldn't cross that line?

[00:21:14] But he would in vice versa.

[00:21:16] Vic will gladly murder this drug dealer, but Shane will

[00:21:18] think twice unless he's got back up.

[00:21:20] It's just like and the fact that they start hiding crimes

[00:21:24] from each other is also a lot of fun.

[00:21:27] And I mean, just from that first season alone when they

[00:21:32] start having their own tactical plan, you know, in their

[00:21:36] own like vice squad room and you know, they're playing

[00:21:39] heavy metal and eating, you know, over saturated pizza.

[00:21:44] You know, they're the perfect example of toxic, you know,

[00:21:49] masculinity before, you know, that was a thing and but to be

[00:21:53] fair, their soundtrack was Kid Rock.

[00:21:55] So we should know, but it's so funny.

[00:21:57] Kid Rock is actually the son of a multi-millionaire Apple

[00:22:03] orchard.

[00:22:06] Really?

[00:22:08] Oh, the irony it never stops.

[00:22:11] It's fun from cowboy my ass.

[00:22:16] I picked my apples from the orchard.

[00:22:21] Right.

[00:22:22] They're just going to their orders.

[00:22:25] But do you remember in that final season how Vic it might

[00:22:31] actually be the second or last he thinks he's unstoppable

[00:22:33] and he starts trying to stop a few people and he like

[00:22:36] holds on to like a car when he's stopping another gang

[00:22:39] banger.

[00:22:40] Oh, yeah.

[00:22:41] And I thought that was just wild to it's just showing

[00:22:43] that he's almost at the end of his line.

[00:22:45] You know, he can't.

[00:22:46] He's desperate.

[00:22:48] Yeah, that's the first time in the show that he hasn't

[00:22:49] controlled everything.

[00:22:50] He's so good at just making other people look like an

[00:22:53] asshole and to where it even makes you wonder what

[00:22:56] his upbringing was.

[00:22:57] Was he the guy who just said, mom make me pasta, you

[00:23:00] know, like was he the football quarterback who

[00:23:03] kicked everybody's ass but had no friends at

[00:23:06] graduation, you know, that makes you.

[00:23:08] The family angle for him really gave him this humanity.

[00:23:13] Exactly.

[00:23:14] Like he will do anything for them, but then he wants to

[00:23:17] be loved by them.

[00:23:18] Then he always he being the sneak being the.

[00:23:22] And that was actually his daughter too.

[00:23:24] All yeah, that's why I thought it was so raw and

[00:23:27] real is just like, yeah, the and it's so funny how

[00:23:30] he does the whole I want to take my daughter to work

[00:23:34] day.

[00:23:34] It's like, I thought for almost and I love how they had

[00:23:38] Franka Potente who you might know as Jason Bourne's

[00:23:41] love interest is the one Russian assassin like not.

[00:23:46] Well, no, she had assassins but she was like part of a

[00:23:49] big gang empire and like she talks to Shane is like,

[00:23:53] by the way, I've targeted your entire vice squad.

[00:23:56] And she's one of the Armenians.

[00:23:58] That Armenian.

[00:23:58] Yes, my bad.

[00:23:59] I know I had something screwed up, but I always

[00:24:01] thought that's so funny is like and Shane is like Vic

[00:24:06] is so collected like he can just lie and he will know

[00:24:11] exactly what he said and remember that lie and die

[00:24:15] by that.

[00:24:15] And it's so funny how Shane after a while will ask

[00:24:18] other pals for help and sometimes those guys end

[00:24:22] up getting beat up by at one Mitchell and I love how

[00:24:27] they had this was definitely the first thing I

[00:24:29] saw Michael Pina on.

[00:24:30] There was some cool interviews how you know he this is

[00:24:33] he was in crash that same year but they they filmed

[00:24:35] that before that believe it or not and I like how he

[00:24:38] refuses.

[00:24:39] It's in the season we're going close takes over as the

[00:24:42] yes, he's in for that's the gold season.

[00:24:46] It's a great season, but I love how he's refusing

[00:24:48] to take a drug test.

[00:24:51] Everybody else is all client to test my detector my

[00:24:55] bad.

[00:24:55] Yes, okay, but I thought I could have sworn there

[00:24:58] was like a piss test or something like.

[00:25:01] Anyway, you know it better than me, but I just I love

[00:25:04] how like he goes on Shane on a few different angles

[00:25:08] and it's like they get their asses beat up.

[00:25:12] He's like this isn't what I signed up for man.

[00:25:15] It's like you're doing something you shouldn't

[00:25:17] even be doing.

[00:25:20] And poor guard dog.

[00:25:21] He's just so quiet.

[00:25:24] And that that is probably the thing that I just

[00:25:27] like about the show the most is they flat out ignore

[00:25:30] Ronnie for I don't know.

[00:25:33] Yeah, the entire seven seasons like five and a half

[00:25:36] seasons at least he was hired as an extra for the

[00:25:40] first episode and they slowly started giving him lines

[00:25:43] and everything.

[00:25:44] I know his wife also an actress was one of the

[00:25:47] other desk clerks but yeah, I like his come up

[00:25:54] and but in between there are times where like

[00:25:57] other than like saving Shane and company from some of

[00:26:02] their Armenian assassins.

[00:26:03] He really doesn't get much to do to where you're like

[00:26:05] I however I will give you the first season.

[00:26:09] It's just so wild how for a while he's kind of the

[00:26:12] Kenny of South Park of the show where he gets it.

[00:26:14] He gets his face burned by Amarero and that's

[00:26:18] Danny Pino before he was on Mayans in SVU and I'm

[00:26:21] like good grief.

[00:26:23] You know, he's just it and.

[00:26:25] And the dude is very talented and I think he's a very

[00:26:28] underrated Latino actor but he said in an interview

[00:26:32] later on that he was molested like by an uncle of his

[00:26:35] and like oh my God how did you get to be on this

[00:26:38] rapist slash gangsters and then be on SVU.

[00:26:43] I mean that's maybe some traumatic material but

[00:26:45] I guess he got some serious therapy but that's what's

[00:26:49] also just your inspiration from somewhere.

[00:26:51] Right.

[00:26:52] But it's just so I guess it's so funny how like he

[00:26:58] burned he burns Ronnie you know on the stove and Vic

[00:27:03] decides you know what I need you guys come with me.

[00:27:06] We're going to his house.

[00:27:07] We're going to burn him on his own stuff.

[00:27:09] See what we did there.

[00:27:12] And that it's so funny how then they taunt each other

[00:27:16] for out and he's always like encountering like Danny

[00:27:19] and they're crime scene is like give this message to Vic

[00:27:21] he's like what does that mean?

[00:27:23] He's like oh he's just talking smack.

[00:27:26] Yeah, it was like so but I that to your point I do wish

[00:27:31] there had been an extra scene where they're like Ronnie

[00:27:32] what the hell happened to your face you know.

[00:27:36] Even then that whole storyline the thing that I

[00:27:38] like more about all of that is that when Vic comes

[00:27:41] up on Armadillo is sitting in a very plain living

[00:27:46] room in a very plain house.

[00:27:48] Yeah just reading books and Vic does not know how to

[00:27:52] respond well to logic and actual education.

[00:27:56] So the first thing that does is take the true and beat

[00:28:00] the shit out of him because that's the only thing he

[00:28:02] knows we saw him do that to that one pervy pedophile

[00:28:07] guy in the first very first episode yeah and so but

[00:28:10] that is true yeah he's he was that also made me think

[00:28:14] he was probably the guy getting a D and like class

[00:28:18] like cheating off someone's paper he he knew street

[00:28:22] smarts but he didn't know yeah and he he but I mean it

[00:28:26] also kind of puts it in perspective there's a reason

[00:28:29] he's stealing not only just from gangsters but just

[00:28:32] in general like anything he'll find he'll he'll get

[00:28:35] a free happy meal if he needs to he is that yep.

[00:28:40] Like you said he does get desperate near the end

[00:28:42] but it is also just funny how he kind of just he clearly

[00:28:46] doesn't pay attention to any kind of logic but that

[00:28:49] that was you're going to eat them fries.

[00:28:51] Yeah he'll do something like that.

[00:28:53] He'll steal their food is like nah he just ordered it

[00:28:56] just to have it sit there but yeah there's no chain.

[00:28:59] I mean and Antoine Mitchell definitely puts him in his

[00:29:03] place a few times too.

[00:29:04] Where he's like damn it you're gonna expose me or

[00:29:07] possibly talk to one of the lawyers about me.

[00:29:10] I love the interrogation between that and Antoine and he

[00:29:15] makes him cry because he showed his son baby not the

[00:29:18] ass in prison.

[00:29:19] He's like damn that was cold.

[00:29:23] Yeah, he makes all these friends.

[00:29:26] He's used to well and I mean we keep quoting the

[00:29:31] Who Would Win podcast show they have a great line

[00:29:33] called be the bigger shark.

[00:29:35] Vic once what what does sharks do?

[00:29:38] They go to places where they can get away and is like

[00:29:41] after a while he doesn't know how to get away with it

[00:29:43] other than play the one special you know ice agents for

[00:29:50] fools as well as some of the other attorneys and

[00:29:54] federal agents and it's so wild too.

[00:29:57] How they're they're devastated.

[00:29:58] You're like my God I actually thought you were a good guy.

[00:30:03] That's it.

[00:30:03] He relies on his charm and he only uses his smart

[00:30:08] as humor when he's around Dutch.

[00:30:09] That's the other irony.

[00:30:11] Yeah, obviously he's rude to every single suspect he breaks

[00:30:15] in but he hides behind again the shield the shield the barn

[00:30:18] mentality of oh I caught this guy doing something being a

[00:30:21] peeping Tom being a crime scene and it's so wild too.

[00:30:26] How yeah he I mean I love him that in the very final

[00:30:30] season when there's like a big jewelry store like robbery

[00:30:34] and he just like takes one of the police cars and just

[00:30:36] rams it through the store and he just blows it off.

[00:30:41] He's like oh well you know it the car was at the end of its

[00:30:45] life is like no dude cost the city a lot of money and what

[00:30:50] are we going to say to the store owner?

[00:30:54] He doesn't he has a historical line when he's going after

[00:30:58] some of the remaining Armenian guys he's like any closer

[00:31:01] and his heads of pinata referring to how he's

[00:31:04] hooked and just you know the rifle would take their head

[00:31:06] off it's just like my God and but yeah no that is true is

[00:31:11] like are all the gangsters are like so read up and that

[00:31:16] they know what to say before they even say get me my lawyer

[00:31:19] like they are.

[00:31:20] I think that's what also set aside too it wasn't just

[00:31:23] about the interrogations and trust me there are plenty

[00:31:27] of episodes where plot B is more disturbing than plot A

[00:31:30] where you're like I wish I wanted secretly fast forward

[00:31:34] for the stuff with Quad head and Dutch that times I'm like

[00:31:36] oh that really got under my skin.

[00:31:39] Oh my God.

[00:31:40] And I love so much about this show is the ongoing storylines.

[00:31:44] I mean there are things that not not only the main

[00:31:47] storyline which literally comes to fruition in episode one

[00:31:51] but there are some of the other things that the seeds

[00:31:53] are planted in that first season that you don't get

[00:31:55] real payoff for for years literally.

[00:31:57] I mean the personality traits that they had from day one

[00:32:01] in those scripts.

[00:32:02] They are incredibly well thought out and well written.

[00:32:06] Absolutely the dialogue is stylized but it's it's got

[00:32:11] perfect subtext is never reliant on how well that actor

[00:32:16] performed it or how it was staged like there is so much

[00:32:20] though they'll have a lot of entendres and double

[00:32:23] meanings and just blatant ironies like but like you say

[00:32:28] like it's so that there's that one hospital hostage takeover

[00:32:33] in like season six and you're seeing you know Shane rescue

[00:32:39] a kid in that the same motherfucker who will do you know

[00:32:42] cap a guy in the back of the head if you can get away

[00:32:46] with it you know and it's just so wild seeing them be

[00:32:48] vulnerable or do a nice thing is like and everyone else

[00:32:53] we know the truth but the the characters are fools for

[00:32:56] thinking oh yeah.

[00:32:58] They're nice guy and like no they're not a nice guy at all

[00:33:03] and they're heroes that's something I wish the Sopranos

[00:33:06] had done better in some of his later seasons they got so

[00:33:10] caught up in Tony's fall and everything and it's like well

[00:33:15] I think the stars show power and the show time show

[00:33:19] Ray Donovan definitely owe a lot to the shield in terms

[00:33:22] of and very similar in terms of you'll see people who are

[00:33:26] say though that's a good show but it made me uncomfortable

[00:33:29] and I think the shield was definitely to your point on

[00:33:32] the serialized angle that that was kind of the one where

[00:33:34] they kind of brought in the whole this is going to pay

[00:33:38] off to this the season 2 episode 4 is going to be

[00:33:41] referenced later in season 3 episode 9 you know it's

[00:33:45] just there because that that is true we had shows that

[00:33:48] were serialized but they were often syndicated so until

[00:33:53] you got them on DVD or even video tape years later you

[00:33:56] didn't you know unless you were a regular viewer you

[00:34:00] didn't know about recurring subplots or anything you

[00:34:02] know it was just kind of you had to be there if you

[00:34:06] didn't tape it you missed it.

[00:34:08] That's like X files X file same deal yeah that plot

[00:34:11] twist is going to actually come about in this season

[00:34:15] and yeah and I unfortunately kind of like Highlander people

[00:34:19] were so brought blown away by how weird it was versus

[00:34:22] actually paying attention to it.

[00:34:25] But yeah no I mean Vic is also just interesting how he has

[00:34:31] a running gag of like like just leaving something on Dutch's

[00:34:36] desk and Dutch is like can anybody still that asshole

[00:34:39] to stop messing with me and if he were any man you know

[00:34:43] if I were in his shoes I'd be like Acevada's office now

[00:34:47] otherwise you get out in the parking lot you know like

[00:34:50] this something and he is a glutton for punishment and it's

[00:34:54] so funny how Vic is such you know bottom of the barrel guy

[00:34:59] like he will say like the smallest thing and that will

[00:35:04] just wreck Dutch's day and it was I know we've all

[00:35:10] touched his day.

[00:35:11] Yeah he'll wreck his day and it's just like if it was someone

[00:35:15] like us you know we would just be like we just let would blow

[00:35:19] it off we or we wouldn't get you know Vic is an internet

[00:35:22] troll but we wouldn't we would have a lot of us we would

[00:35:26] have the logic to not give him the reaction he's looking

[00:35:29] for but like Vic will only keep picking on you because

[00:35:33] he's like a parasite he will just cling on to you and

[00:35:37] and he'll use some humor to shield no pun.

[00:35:43] From just what he's doing and I think that's what was also

[00:35:47] very really cool is just calculating

[00:35:50] what trouble are they going to go to just do anything like

[00:35:57] oh man that there's another one in like the

[00:36:01] what season is it where they they kill one of the gang

[00:36:04] bangers and that mirrors it down.

[00:36:08] Okay but it's a very particular murder that happens on their

[00:36:11] watch and they cover up his body by literally taking it to

[00:36:14] like a still factory and like all the molten like

[00:36:21] flames and everything evaporate his body so they can never

[00:36:24] find the guy.

[00:36:25] I don't remember it might be season five or seven.

[00:36:29] It's very particular like they take his body to a factory

[00:36:33] because they know the feds are going to be following them.

[00:36:38] And but I just like that it's kind of almost like a true crime

[00:36:41] podcast nobody no crime and I think that's what was also

[00:36:46] wild too is just

[00:36:49] Ronnie is pretty much the body shield literally like he is

[00:36:53] always getting injured and everything and unfortunately

[00:36:57] they like you say that that is kind of one thing I would

[00:37:00] do better.

[00:37:01] Julian they really don't do much with after a while hit like

[00:37:05] after a while he's kind of like Danny's partner then he's just

[00:37:09] but that was kind of bizarre to how they try to get evolution.

[00:37:15] Well, I'm just trying to remember because like other than

[00:37:18] working with Tina like they try to have you ever try to

[00:37:22] convert a closeted police officer into being straight.

[00:37:25] That was bizarre and that was so well for that time frame

[00:37:29] is definitely yeah.

[00:37:30] Is this like three washing a boy if there was that Danny's

[00:37:37] party.

[00:37:39] Yeah, there was many parties and everything when Danny's like

[00:37:43] hey Vic you know you are you do this kid is not yours.

[00:37:47] I can raise him right by myself.

[00:37:49] It's like that was wild.

[00:37:51] It's just like and Vic of course instead of taking

[00:37:58] responsibility like tries to act like she's a bitch and even

[00:38:05] turn his wife against her and this is like my God dude take

[00:38:10] responsibility for your doucheyness.

[00:38:13] Is this like start paying alimony you you were using Danny

[00:38:19] you know to get laid not because you actually liked her

[00:38:22] it's just like and it is wild too how every once while

[00:38:26] he'll be looking in the mirror and he wants it's so wild

[00:38:31] when he's confessing his stuff and he seems bothered by it.

[00:38:35] But you know it's so funny how he you know no one is going

[00:38:41] to be sympathetic to him you know he knew he knows what he

[00:38:43] did and yet he never thought he would feel this way too

[00:38:47] that's the other kind of ironic thing.

[00:38:50] My God I don't really see that as ironic.

[00:38:53] I had the whole thing though is in that last season

[00:38:55] you get to see the true Vic for the first time and I don't

[00:38:58] know.

[00:38:58] Okay yes I don't think he's seeking sympathy for anything

[00:39:01] he's really just wanting to be well I'm in control dick.

[00:39:06] He's in control.

[00:39:07] I just I felt like he was either manipulating or using

[00:39:13] Lori Holden's character.

[00:39:15] Oh yeah he absolutely was yeah but but it's so when he

[00:39:18] was saying it out loud it looked like he still had.

[00:39:22] Okay so you're on to some I will rewatch that same as this.

[00:39:26] I know that he is so funny too when they're like this is

[00:39:31] such an embarrassment we're just going to transfer him

[00:39:34] because he's already figured out an immunity deal before

[00:39:37] we got all this stuff and he's played everyone and so

[00:39:41] that was also kind of cool too just showing what a broken

[00:39:43] system this all is so they're just like we're just

[00:39:46] going to have the feds use them but he's just

[00:39:50] not allowed to use a gun or anything he's going to be

[00:39:52] just doing desk work the rest of his life and I know the

[00:39:57] creator Sean Ryan didn't want it to be that ambiguous but

[00:40:00] I thought it was just a hysterical how he has stowed

[00:40:05] away a gun in his desk and you're like oh God this is

[00:40:11] going to be a PR nightmare.

[00:40:14] I don't that that's not how I interpreted it as a

[00:40:17] federal officer he's issued a gun.

[00:40:19] That's the punishment was not that he couldn't have a gun

[00:40:23] it's that he couldn't personally own a gun so he's

[00:40:26] not allowed to take it home.

[00:40:29] That's what it was funny.

[00:40:31] Okay, now okay so I'm.

[00:40:34] I need to rewatch it again.

[00:40:37] Yeah this is this is one of those things that the

[00:40:40] last episode of this I think is maybe and I hesitate

[00:40:44] for a moment to say this because I'm probably

[00:40:46] forgetting something but I think it's not just like

[00:40:49] the best ending ever but it is it is the most succinctly

[00:40:53] wrapped up series finale that's not contrived on any

[00:40:59] show like with Breaking Bad there's a couple things

[00:41:01] that happened in that last episode that you're like

[00:41:03] okay really that no come on that couldn't happen

[00:41:06] but with this one the main the main crux of the

[00:41:10] episode is everybody is fucked except for Vic

[00:41:13] and how do we get him punished the way to do it

[00:41:17] is to take him off the streets and torment him with

[00:41:20] boredom essentially and so now they removed all of his

[00:41:24] power and this is the only way that you could do it.

[00:41:26] Totally and they had a great montage showing all the

[00:41:29] different people who were had been wronged or as

[00:41:34] they were about to die like even a cameo by.

[00:41:37] Oh what's the narcoo.

[00:41:40] Walter Jones.

[00:41:44] What's that his name?

[00:41:45] Are you talking about in the very first episode Terry?

[00:41:47] Yeah Terry yeah it's so funny how there's like a camera

[00:41:51] from him again but they had a perfect song said to it

[00:41:54] and everything but yeah that if Vic were to quit he would

[00:42:00] probably be prosecuted by these guys.

[00:42:05] And well maybe not but either way yeah he needs to work

[00:42:09] so he's gonna he's gonna stay there and just face

[00:42:13] boredom because he can't misbehave and

[00:42:17] man yeah I mean it's so wild too how so many other people

[00:42:21] it was so wild to how Kavanaugh also breaks a lot of rules

[00:42:25] just trying to bring him in and just hangs himself

[00:42:27] is like are you kidding me you were so close dude

[00:42:30] but you said to Vic's level just to catch them

[00:42:33] and you're like all you did was incriminate yourself

[00:42:36] and massively underrated chemistry between two of them.

[00:42:41] Yeah of course would occur he hadn't won his Oscar yet

[00:42:44] but man you know he had done under TV but

[00:42:47] how much like when close it was just showing you hey like

[00:42:51] that I think it also just felt so natural like they wanted

[00:42:55] they just wanted a damn good actor it wasn't about

[00:42:57] so much as just get someone's attention cheaply

[00:43:02] you know put a fair spot there.

[00:43:05] Look at the two dens on there would have been a fucking

[00:43:08] hot circuit easily.

[00:43:10] Yeah it would have been too.

[00:43:11] Sam Jackson Sam Jackson they would have expected Motherfucker

[00:43:15] to drop within one or two episodes.

[00:43:19] That's what's cool too is just like they didn't need F-bombs

[00:43:22] to be good.

[00:43:23] I know they had the freedom to.

[00:43:27] Yeah I but but that is a good contrast as you said

[00:43:34] Ryan was breaking bad because breaking bad kind of it

[00:43:41] more dark humor to where you're like okay spend disbelief

[00:43:45] you know if had that happened in the first episode

[00:43:47] you wouldn't have been along for the ride but they leave it

[00:43:49] for the end to where it's.

[00:43:53] It's tough to argue with as much but yeah it's like

[00:43:56] the shield was kind of more is just like it's just very

[00:43:59] taught and I've had a friend on here before describe

[00:44:03] it as having kind of good fellows kind of camera angles

[00:44:05] you're kind of minus the narration but you're getting

[00:44:09] that same kind of is just like man please tell me what

[00:44:13] I think is going to happen is not going to happen and then

[00:44:17] it also wasn't necessarily about just the plot twist

[00:44:20] it was more all the other stuff leading into it like

[00:44:23] you said just some of the other butter on top of.

[00:44:27] I mean it's a lot of old shots too.

[00:44:30] Yeah just like that the original old one at the

[00:44:34] Greenwich because old boy came in 2000.

[00:44:39] Oh all shots yeah.

[00:44:42] Yeah the old boy hallway but there's a lot of those pan shots

[00:44:47] and I like that.

[00:44:49] Yeah like they kept to that but they also did you know

[00:44:52] your up close shots and then the back away views and it

[00:44:57] really worked well it was so good and that and the

[00:45:01] character would always just say something very darkly

[00:45:03] humorous that just kind of put so much of it in perspective

[00:45:08] it wasn't it wasn't just about the shocking opening and

[00:45:11] kudos to unlike most shows that it wasn't about hey

[00:45:14] someone's about to get murdered or assaulted it was like

[00:45:18] hey we just found a body in a car and it's still moving

[00:45:21] you know we just found this guy who claims to

[00:45:26] know like the secret to this guy who's been taunting Vic

[00:45:30] and the team and yeah I mean and Vic I do think Vic

[00:45:35] believes his lies after a while he doesn't let them

[00:45:38] bother him but he does do the whole I'm trying to do

[00:45:40] the right thing or I'm just going above the law and it's

[00:45:43] like sure sure you are.

[00:45:45] And doing what you can do you're stealing money sure yeah

[00:45:51] there was that other guy who was like the hot head

[00:45:55] Kevin and same kind of deal that where they're like

[00:45:58] hey poster boy how you doing and it was just so funny

[00:46:02] how they had him as kind of part of the team and you're

[00:46:06] just like yeah now this isn't working because Vic's having

[00:46:10] to be even more secretive around him.

[00:46:13] That's the other thing too is just like he would find

[00:46:17] something to nozzle on to or is like that's not a gray

[00:46:21] area that's something bad and you've somehow convinced

[00:46:23] someone to make that it was actually this so I mean I

[00:46:27] can only imagine an internal affairs report just being just

[00:46:31] a cluster where you're like wait what and then this happened

[00:46:34] and that happened that doesn't line up with this version of

[00:46:37] the events.

[00:46:39] Sure start man it's so funny when they first before they

[00:46:44] go conquer the Armenians and like seasons to and free

[00:46:48] and and and let them try to avoid their taunts for the

[00:46:52] rest of the series it's so wild how they start off just

[00:46:56] stealing from South American drug dealers and even retrieve a guy

[00:47:01] as he's fleeing the country in Mexico is just like that that

[00:47:05] was where definitely set it up for his like they're not

[00:47:08] going to play it safe we the viewer were kind of seduced by

[00:47:11] it we just we could not take our eyes out is like when they

[00:47:15] got the money like that was why Max and the dialogue is

[00:47:20] just so good at just and like just they made you just like

[00:47:26] okay I don't like these guys but you would even see fans say

[00:47:31] I want him to get away you know or I wanted to get caught you

[00:47:34] know it just it when you divide even your audience that way

[00:47:39] but like in a good way like you don't you don't see people

[00:47:42] saying going all psycho saying I want to be like this is kind

[00:47:46] of like yeah you wanted to it was almost grand theft out

[00:47:49] of you could see the story proceed all kinds of ways it was

[00:47:53] it was an RPG that happened to be recorded and you were watching

[00:47:56] it and a big point about that I'm not sure how old you guys

[00:48:02] are but especially so am I I'm in my late 30s I'm not sure

[00:48:08] how familiar you are with it but all of like LAPD and the

[00:48:14] the offshoots that were all over Southern California at

[00:48:16] that time they started to kind of bounce back from the Rodney

[00:48:21] King riots from the early yes yeah now influence but right

[00:48:26] and the the rampart situation near the end of the 90s was

[00:48:29] the major inspiration for what happened with this and so there

[00:48:33] was a lot of people back in that day that had the same reaction

[00:48:37] to the real life bastards basically as they did to the

[00:48:42] people on the show there's a lot of people that said

[00:48:44] so what these cops are stealing from the crooks who cares

[00:48:47] they shouldn't be punished like they're stealing from people

[00:48:50] off the streets because they're not or these people oh yeah

[00:48:53] that they might have roughed somebody up too much but who

[00:48:56] cares the streets are safer and yeah sort of thing is what

[00:48:59] inspired this because you know I mean honestly juxtapose it

[00:49:03] to where we are in 2024 with you know cop killing being

[00:49:07] one of the major talking points over the last decade

[00:49:10] and that's true too I saw people imagine if there was

[00:49:13] a revival for the shield in 2024 how it would be seen.

[00:49:17] Oh I think so yeah and but then I saw other people saying

[00:49:21] oh the show was only good because it wasn't PC is like

[00:49:23] no it was good because it was just so such a well thought

[00:49:26] out it's a high show raw it was raw yeah it was a crooked cop

[00:49:31] show it was a funny thing though is the people that say

[00:49:33] that they're they're kind of right it's it's not

[00:49:35] it wasn't good because it wasn't PC however they had a

[00:49:39] leg up on everybody because they did it first so yeah

[00:49:42] just like breaking bad they didn't have to have true I've

[00:49:45] twist in every episode the shocking thing that kept you

[00:49:48] coming back was oh my god they're actually showing this on

[00:49:50] TV by breaking bad they had to say oh you're showing

[00:49:54] this and also it's extremely interesting is with the

[00:49:58] shield though is the writing is just so good even now

[00:50:01] 20 years later it still has that hype in every single

[00:50:05] episode it still feels just as visceral I will update

[00:50:08] the biggest thing I sorry and the biggest thing is the shield

[00:50:14] came in the same time the wire came yes so they're

[00:50:19] literally side by side but they're also night and day

[00:50:23] and then why are when further in terms of depth whereas

[00:50:29] the shield focus on Vick just being crooked you

[00:50:32] should you didn't get the exploration of how everything

[00:50:36] tied together you get that in the shield but not like the

[00:50:40] wire wire took you behind the scenes everything yeah and

[00:50:45] explore every out whereas the shield is focused on the

[00:50:49] strike team gang bangers the Armenians FBI to men.

[00:50:57] You want to talk good acting by rapper sticky fingers was

[00:51:02] amazing yes love them as Kern little and I loved how

[00:51:08] Vic actually gets disturbed because he's been relying on him

[00:51:12] to kind of kick back some of the troublesome gangs that they

[00:51:16] try to crack down and when he gets killed in one of the

[00:51:18] heists that they do to make it one Mitchell you know not

[00:51:21] mess with them it's like oh shit.

[00:51:24] You know when you're out of guns support you know who

[00:51:28] do you go to next yeah and or but that but that is true I

[00:51:32] did it first it did it well I mean I use this definitely

[00:51:36] both those shows as an inspiration when I write a script

[00:51:39] just what do I look for in characters don't get just

[00:51:42] clever you know I'm not I'm not turn to you know where I

[00:51:45] can just have wordplay but I definitely like an Aaron

[00:51:49] Sorgen or a shield kind of thing where I you I make

[00:51:53] use of my time the uncomfortable moments and how the

[00:51:58] characters talk to illustrate the kind of world they live in

[00:52:02] and it's so funny my my screen my screenwriting professor

[00:52:05] actually caught on to me after all is like are you fair

[00:52:08] the shield.

[00:52:11] Yes I am he's like good good that's a good example of a

[00:52:14] character's downfall the lies he lives in perfect you know

[00:52:19] and the action suits the narrative and kudos to how they

[00:52:22] film that like when I mean don't don't you love in that early

[00:52:26] season how limb falls in love with like a gangsters like

[00:52:29] girlfriend.

[00:52:31] Yeah and they use so much clever dialogue you're like oh

[00:52:35] looky Romeo's back and he does like he's Romeo he's and

[00:52:42] it's so funny to how you again you even though we've

[00:52:47] talked about all the different stuff that's first shadowed

[00:52:50] there's still just so many other surprises like I thought

[00:52:52] limb throughout the show was just going to be a meathead

[00:52:56] with a shotgun you know and then as it goes on he's like

[00:53:00] hey guys we shouldn't be doing this and having to be in the

[00:53:04] meathead shotgun right and that Tavon as the good cop who

[00:53:11] gets longed by Shane and he keeps trying to report him

[00:53:14] and then there's just always something ironic that happens

[00:53:17] and then how ironic how Mara Shane's wife is more

[00:53:22] diabolical than him but since he'll do anything for her he

[00:53:26] takes all her bad ideas that you ironically over not only

[00:53:31] over complicate their whole getaway plan but also

[00:53:36] you do feel a sense of sorrow also because like

[00:53:40] you know this compromises their kid and everything you're

[00:53:43] like God.

[00:53:44] What is his special needs on?

[00:53:48] Big kid special needs.

[00:53:51] Yeah, that's right.

[00:53:52] Yeah, right.

[00:53:53] He had it wasn't he had autism.

[00:53:58] Yeah, which was they took a part of the show and this

[00:54:01] is the only negative I have about this entire show.

[00:54:04] I didn't know.

[00:54:05] Yeah, they have a throwaway storyline about vaccines

[00:54:08] causing autism which is just fucking insidious.

[00:54:13] Yeah, that didn't that was never going to date well but I do

[00:54:17] wish they had actually been more careful with how they talked

[00:54:20] about it but I think it was also just because of how kind

[00:54:23] of like Ritalin and other stuff like people didn't know

[00:54:25] how they actually worked and everything and how some

[00:54:28] prescriptions actually worse than so many different cases

[00:54:32] and that was got a little and that shit don't do a dance

[00:54:35] and had a raw son to my growth.

[00:54:38] That was horrible.

[00:54:39] Yeah, that's it.

[00:54:40] And people thought oh this is good at concentrating.

[00:54:42] I'm like no, it just nubs you and everybody's like hey

[00:54:46] let's rail a couple lines of it.

[00:54:48] It'll work.

[00:54:49] Yeah, shit must have had him and his buddies when they

[00:54:53] were in their van together used to cut coke and need

[00:54:56] together and smoke it.

[00:54:58] Wow.

[00:54:59] I was like no wonder you that anger management issues like

[00:55:03] think

[00:55:04] but that that is true.

[00:55:06] They didn't handle the autism very well and I was just like

[00:55:10] to say they introduced it and then they kind of drop it.

[00:55:13] You're like what what the hell guys tell me more tell me

[00:55:18] which back.

[00:55:20] Yeah, so it made me wonder if Sutter and Ryan and company

[00:55:25] just read some random articles but didn't have a complete

[00:55:28] story and just shoved it in there.

[00:55:30] It's like well.

[00:55:34] I like her though.

[00:55:35] It's all fine.

[00:55:37] Well, it was something happened on something happened on

[00:55:40] Sons of Anarchy and he was he's well I think the viewers

[00:55:45] bitched about or something and he's like well fuck him who

[00:55:49] cares?

[00:55:50] It's much.

[00:55:52] That's my boy.

[00:55:53] It was interesting how he said it to where he's like

[00:55:56] if you have an issue with this don't worry we're

[00:56:00] going to probably you're going to probably have a good

[00:56:01] issue with all the other stuff and I mean he treated that

[00:56:05] show as definitely more of a dark comedy where he's like

[00:56:08] everybody's going to die and they're going to die in

[00:56:11] Shakespearean ways and other off-color ways and you'll be

[00:56:14] okay with it because they're awful people.

[00:56:18] But yeah, I mean,

[00:56:19] it's a personality that hurt.

[00:56:21] Oh yeah.

[00:56:24] I need to catch up on minds and all the other ones.

[00:56:27] What was what would you say is your favorite gangs on

[00:56:30] the show because I mean it won Mitchell.

[00:56:32] I mean Anthony Anderson I you know he had been in bad ass

[00:56:34] in the departed but I'd never seen him be that diabolical.

[00:56:38] Yeah, he was issues and I liked it.

[00:56:42] That's why I always remember season four so finally I'm

[00:56:45] like you have the rain flows coming in being the head

[00:56:47] bitch in charge and then season five and six he is just

[00:56:52] taunting back into like oh my goodness and play that

[00:56:56] unfolded so beautifully from the first episode of season

[00:57:00] four like God damn I was and they're so good at showing

[00:57:06] how contrarian some of the guys will be at one point

[00:57:09] where they're like oh don't do that.

[00:57:11] I'm like oh but you had no problem doing something just

[00:57:15] as bad as this you know in another episode but what

[00:57:19] you did last season right.

[00:57:21] What about this season?

[00:57:22] That's different.

[00:57:23] It's it's only okay if I do it.

[00:57:26] Yeah, I hate that shit.

[00:57:29] It's like what?

[00:57:31] Okay.

[00:57:33] Karen.

[00:57:34] You shoot him.

[00:57:35] Yeah, Kyle it's my turn.

[00:57:38] No, Karen.

[00:57:39] Get back in the bush.

[00:57:44] And and that it was interesting too how just some

[00:57:48] of the other guys who they would arrest would

[00:57:53] have just the most unusual like confessions to and you're

[00:57:56] like somehow it would have something to do with the rest

[00:57:59] of the stuff but it never felt like it was just tacked on

[00:58:02] just to make it under an hour.

[00:58:05] And the fact that the cell was in the middle station.

[00:58:10] Yeah, like you're not going to get anything done and

[00:58:14] they go after that one guy who Amelia Verrera who is also

[00:58:20] on something anarchy you know plays I like how they

[00:58:22] catch him like in like a tire and they're threatening to

[00:58:25] burn him and then he comes to the station and ironically

[00:58:28] that's where he dies like someone else is convinced to

[00:58:30] like give him a shank.

[00:58:32] Yeah, no he knows something and you're like good grief

[00:58:35] the station is not safe.

[00:58:38] They actually took the center cell idea from

[00:58:43] something rather than some I'm saying third watch because

[00:58:47] I remember that one episode with Henry Winkler.

[00:58:50] That's pop it's possible that they definitely took it from

[00:58:53] some other show that had used it and then enhanced it better

[00:58:56] because I mean it looks so good because you walk in the barn

[00:59:00] and it's like there's the cell there's everybody in there

[00:59:03] and they have all eyes.

[00:59:05] And the way they stage all of that you have a sense of

[00:59:08] what's going on.

[00:59:09] It's not just the overused telephones ringing and people

[00:59:12] being booked at a desk.

[00:59:14] Literally a prison yard.

[00:59:15] It is a prison.

[00:59:16] Yeah, it is.

[00:59:17] It's literally a prison.

[00:59:18] They call it the barn.

[00:59:20] Yeah, because you have your you have the upper deck where

[00:59:25] they can look down and check for everything.

[00:59:27] That's the first episode where as the Veda is in and Vic

[00:59:31] makes the off color you know line which is not only

[00:59:34] it's so many things to illustrate the character all at

[00:59:36] once he's like not now not here not on Cinco de Mayo

[00:59:40] is like okay.

[00:59:41] So he's a bigot and he doesn't respect the boss.

[00:59:46] Yeah, he's absolutely home lander from the boy.

[00:59:50] Yeah, I love him.

[00:59:52] He he he has and everybody else is looking at like

[00:59:57] Acevedo like you're going to take that.

[00:59:58] And Acevedo like he doesn't even shrug.

[01:00:01] He's just like thinking calmly.

[01:00:03] I'm going to deal with this on my terms but that's

[01:00:05] the other thing too like Acevedo lies to himself.

[01:00:07] I have this in control and like you don't have this

[01:00:11] in control this dude.

[01:00:12] He reminds me actually have a few bosses I've had where

[01:00:15] they would let shit just happen.

[01:00:16] They didn't want to deal with it and like then don't be a

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[01:01:44] It brings up the best parts of any kind of crooked

[01:01:47] cop and crime drama overarching thing because like

[01:01:51] the mystery is well interjected the action moves it

[01:01:54] forward the.

[01:01:56] Horror moments and dark comedy are just the icing on

[01:02:01] top and then to have again just so many again you

[01:02:05] know it's multiple layers and you're crying because

[01:02:08] it's just it really is that good and then you fill

[01:02:12] back the other layers and there's extra stuff on

[01:02:14] top of that you're just like man yeah it's just

[01:02:16] we've had all these dialogues open now like

[01:02:20] Ryan mentioned earlier there are just every once

[01:02:22] of all there's like maybe one episode a season where

[01:02:24] you're like that halfway move the plot forward or but

[01:02:29] it never got to the point where I was just like I

[01:02:31] must skip an episode I hate this episode you know

[01:02:34] I'm this and I still learned a chunk about a character

[01:02:39] I still you know even if a subplot wasn't as neatly

[01:02:43] tied they were still just an interesting just outcome

[01:02:47] that made you say oh man can next week come any you

[01:02:51] know any faster you know and I'm.

[01:02:54] It's also just one of those like I would recognize the

[01:02:57] actors just anywhere they went and I said are they

[01:03:00] going to play a character similar to that sometimes

[01:03:02] they were the Ronnie actor you know he's been in some

[01:03:05] of the Call of Duty games back when they were

[01:03:07] were in World War two era but I loved it when I saw

[01:03:10] him on major crimes that whole closer saga is

[01:03:14] very similar to the shield also without it shows LAPD

[01:03:19] politics and has people being assholes in the break room

[01:03:22] but I that there was an episode where Ronnie was basically

[01:03:26] playing like a Fox News type reporter showing his hatred

[01:03:30] for immigrants and I was like hey imagine if that's

[01:03:32] where Ronnie ended up he was a crappy television guy

[01:03:36] but I think he's definitely where they imply he's

[01:03:39] going to be where he's in prison getting tortured by

[01:03:42] at one's guys and he he but he's going to die in his cell

[01:03:48] cursing Vic a guy he once looked up to but it is just so funny

[01:03:52] seeing.

[01:03:54] The actors talked about in interviews to how they had

[01:03:56] to stage all that betrayal you know.

[01:04:00] It's just so funny and I never thought that was

[01:04:02] going to happen I thought okay Vic's going to bring

[01:04:05] all these guys down with them I never thought

[01:04:07] he'd actually turn on one of his guys I thought he

[01:04:10] was going to just dispose of the one off type characters

[01:04:14] you know like criminals he's doing business with and he

[01:04:18] wants to.

[01:04:21] Not bring any attention to himself but I do also applaud

[01:04:25] them for making this an accessible multi character

[01:04:27] show because it could have easily been we're relying

[01:04:31] on the strength of one actor you know imagine it's

[01:04:33] going to go in so many other ways imagine if Sean

[01:04:35] Ryan had said I'm leaving as showrunner and creator

[01:04:39] I don't want to do this anymore that would have sucked

[01:04:41] imagine if you know Chikla said had a big head and said

[01:04:44] you know what I'm going to come to set late and be an

[01:04:47] asshole everybody you know that didn't happen everyone

[01:04:50] liked working with each other that imagine had it been

[01:04:52] a lesser you know production.

[01:04:56] Where people hated coming to work every day you would

[01:04:58] have seen that in the performances and then

[01:05:01] you put a probably they fortunately didn't have too

[01:05:04] many of that often if a character left like

[01:05:08] they didn't have to do any

[01:05:10] some and a total rarity they didn't have to do any

[01:05:13] writing out of anybody they were just always those

[01:05:16] semi-known just reliable actors.

[01:05:20] I know they said Scott Brazil who if you look at his

[01:05:23] credits he's done everything from Jagged a hunter and

[01:05:27] he had become friends with the crew on Nash Bridges

[01:05:30] so they're like this guy he's good with those cold

[01:05:32] opens in the office humor and he unfortunately died

[01:05:36] near the end of the show and everyone was like he was

[01:05:39] our best director because like any good director like

[01:05:42] he would he kind of did what Antoine Foucault does

[01:05:46] where he he gives them a hint about where he wants

[01:05:50] them to go in the performance but like he would

[01:05:51] actually pose it as a question to them like Dutch

[01:05:54] what do you think your character is feeling now

[01:05:56] that you're interrogating this asshole Danny

[01:05:59] what are you feeling right now in this cold open

[01:06:01] you know is like that because you know they'd never

[01:06:04] done any recurring roles and so that they all

[01:06:06] accredited him is like this is the reason I grew

[01:06:08] as an actor I'm like see that is amazing because

[01:06:12] they hear all these other horror stories about

[01:06:14] directors who got fired like they were talented

[01:06:16] but they didn't understand the tone or the style

[01:06:19] or they pissed off an actor you know so that is

[01:06:21] so cool to know other people were just helping

[01:06:24] each other out and that's why the characters

[01:06:26] themselves grew.

[01:06:29] You can't say that with every other show you know

[01:06:31] you see somewhere is like I'm glad you liked it

[01:06:35] but I didn't like working on it like oh that's a shame.

[01:06:39] Can you imagine I mean Ryan we talked about before

[01:06:42] can you imagine if someone behind the office

[01:06:44] or psychated each other.

[01:06:46] Well I mean that's the thing a lot of these shows

[01:06:49] that they love to get along.

[01:06:52] Yeah but they love facing off with each other like

[01:06:57] I saw how

[01:07:00] Chiklis would even go to certain people and like

[01:07:03] even brief them on this stuff is like hey this is

[01:07:06] going to be a very traumatic scene are you are you okay.

[01:07:08] You know it's just so it's like that's cool that

[01:07:11] everyone would prep each other for all the stuff

[01:07:13] instead of

[01:07:15] people playing tricks on each other or I'm

[01:07:17] going to trick you into hating this guy for real

[01:07:19] so you get that performance you know no method acting

[01:07:22] really.

[01:07:22] You know

[01:07:24] I could have gone that way and it might have worked

[01:07:26] but then you'd have them say I'll do an interview

[01:07:29] but not on a panel with this guy.

[01:07:32] Not over it.

[01:07:35] It's just so Shakespearean though too like without

[01:07:39] even preaching to the choir like

[01:07:41] I almost see it as we the audience are kind of the

[01:07:44] choir and we're kind of harping on what's going on

[01:07:47] and act free where you know Lady Macbeth turns on

[01:07:51] her husband you know.

[01:07:55] It's it really is kind of poetic without even necessarily

[01:07:57] the poetry because like you said before big that can't

[01:08:00] read very well.

[01:08:02] He probably doesn't know what poetry is he's just like

[01:08:05] for me it's Tuesday.

[01:08:08] And everybody has

[01:08:12] Yeah, it's so funny how Billings thinks he's

[01:08:15] actually helping out Dutch but he's just a lawyer

[01:08:17] he doesn't do any work.

[01:08:20] He's everything you think that's the other thing too

[01:08:24] like the minor characters were douchey but in their own

[01:08:26] different way and you're like Lord I've known someone

[01:08:29] like that in my office job at one point

[01:08:32] but he's like a whole new kind of suck where he gives

[01:08:35] Dutch extra paperwork to do gives him a crappy reason

[01:08:38] to back out and then what's so funny is Dutch actually

[01:08:41] considers him a friend and Billings it's like so taken

[01:08:44] back

[01:08:45] you're like my God.

[01:08:48] It's so funny how to how

[01:08:52] Billings also wants to get a retirement pension for having

[01:08:56] done nothing but he thinks he's entitled so

[01:09:00] oh yeah it's so funny too because it makes me wonder

[01:09:03] what would have happened had Vic messed with him

[01:09:06] and converted him said hey let me talk to the lieutenant

[01:09:08] have you joined my vice squad

[01:09:12] that actor is a good actor and he's gone on to do other

[01:09:15] stuff like homeland I always like how I never know where

[01:09:20] he's going to be.

[01:09:21] I mean that's the other beauty of just all these actors

[01:09:25] like even the the death sergeant like I've seen him

[01:09:28] on some doctor shows and other stuff I'm like I think

[01:09:31] they're so good because they do have that kind of

[01:09:35] they not only have the perfect facial reactions and

[01:09:40] they're comfortable going playing around with their

[01:09:43] characters but that's the other thing too like

[01:09:45] if you told him by like hey episode five this guy is going

[01:09:49] to show a different side like they're ready to go

[01:09:51] they're ready to build up to that even if they're only

[01:09:53] in the background of the next episode and I so kudos again

[01:09:57] to like them outlining this clearly

[01:10:00] because like we said before there's so many other

[01:10:03] shows that just go for something cheap and then

[01:10:05] when you think back on it.

[01:10:07] Yeah, that doesn't make a lesson.

[01:10:08] Oh movies are the worst like there are so many movies

[01:10:11] where you can tell they got pitched based on the stars

[01:10:16] and what the free different plot twists on the DVD were

[01:10:18] and you're like oh brother.

[01:10:21] So there was no coherent like beginning and in

[01:10:24] actually ruined the movie twisted for myself.

[01:10:29] Oh yeah, I did.

[01:10:31] I looked at the cover.

[01:10:32] I was like Sam Jackson is a bad guy and sure enough

[01:10:35] that mother fuckers.

[01:10:37] Oh that was the beauty of this too like we knew the hero

[01:10:42] wasn't really a hero but he was the protagonist and he was

[01:10:45] a bad guy but then yeah it's like we see other people on

[01:10:48] there and we're like are they with him?

[01:10:51] Are they against him?

[01:10:52] Well yes and no and again the viewers is just the

[01:10:57] lawyer we're looking in on them and we're like

[01:10:59] where is this going and again we mentioned the

[01:11:04] Ronis yeah there's so many times where a character would

[01:11:08] just speak about just I mean kudos to all the other

[01:11:13] subjects they did talk about where you're like they just

[01:11:15] be having just a random what seems like an unrelated

[01:11:18] conversation and then by the end of the episode you're

[01:11:21] like that's what this was actually harping on this

[01:11:24] and that and I think I just dug it too because sometimes

[01:11:30] they would even do occasional montages like but it

[01:11:34] just started so strong and ended so strong and I loved how

[01:11:39] you know Claudette just has to transform herself you know

[01:11:44] I'd already liked CCH founder as an actress but she is a

[01:11:48] badass she's kind of the station.

[01:11:50] She was coming off of Justice actually.

[01:11:54] Oh yeah because she was the voice of Anna Wallin.

[01:11:59] Oh that's right.

[01:12:01] Shoot and it's so sad when her final confession that she's

[01:12:08] you know she's got a terminal illness and she's being

[01:12:11] driven crazy by this guy who you know again usually she

[01:12:15] doesn't break in an interrogation room and then

[01:12:17] there's the Syrup Hill Run Death Row who was you

[01:12:20] know trying to piggyback on a loose end on how he

[01:12:23] got arrested and it's just beating her up and you're

[01:12:26] like my God.

[01:12:29] And and I think this is it too like again just every there

[01:12:34] are so many different journeys that it took us on through

[01:12:37] instead of just what's going to happen this week.

[01:12:41] What's Vic gonna do?

[01:12:42] That's awful.

[01:12:43] It was it never it would have these slow moments

[01:12:48] but never in a way where you're like okay they're

[01:12:51] just trying to pat out time.

[01:12:54] They're out of shit if there was that occasional

[01:12:56] moment they still kind of made up for it by just having

[01:12:59] just I mean even the music really felt like it belonged

[01:13:03] in the scene like I could see that hat playing at an

[01:13:05] LA nightclub or someone having it on their car radio.

[01:13:09] They seem like that they seem like a rap guy or a metal

[01:13:13] head.

[01:13:14] It wasn't just whatever I mean I'm even if it was

[01:13:18] whatever we can afford.

[01:13:19] I mean I know Sean Ryan said he was a big

[01:13:22] fan of concrete blonde so that's why he played a

[01:13:26] lot of their music because he used to be a DJ and I was

[01:13:28] like see I think that's also the key.

[01:13:31] He used to be a DJ an amateur DJ in college before

[01:13:34] being a TV writer.

[01:13:35] I mean yeah.

[01:13:36] I'm into Sean Ryan.

[01:13:39] I was the hats off entertainment guy.

[01:13:42] I should have done YouTube.

[01:13:43] Yes, I watched his bit about nothing but trouble and how

[01:13:47] Dan I corrected it and did a lot behind the scenes.

[01:13:52] He gave everybody creative freedom.

[01:13:54] Yes, he set everybody up with their own monitors and stuff

[01:13:57] and John Landis came and said so he's got to get pretty

[01:14:00] old and I'm like why would you do that?

[01:14:04] It's horrible.

[01:14:05] And Landis was what the King unfortunately I had to bring

[01:14:08] him up but he did he was the King of if I didn't think

[01:14:12] of it you can't do it and I think Shane Sean is

[01:14:14] definitely the perfect example of you know I don't have

[01:14:18] to be the first I just like he would always give his

[01:14:21] writers some freedom to experiment with different characters

[01:14:24] but they all were on the same page of we want to do this

[01:14:28] and that yeah and.

[01:14:32] John Badham did direct a few episodes that they had some

[01:14:35] great guest appearances David Mamet direct an episode

[01:14:38] and that's why Sean and him went on to do the unit

[01:14:41] together and the unit was just like a perfect like.

[01:14:45] Like that show was like the most complex again you know.

[01:14:50] The Delta Force they do illegal stuff you know so it was

[01:14:53] a great just bringing in on just how the CIA commissions

[01:14:56] these off the grid guys who let their day job eat them up

[01:15:02] and the army wives don't have anything to do except be mad

[01:15:05] you know and fix dinner for him so it was just not.

[01:15:10] But there's definitely a few shanes if not Ronnie's

[01:15:13] on that show in fact Ronnie actually showed up as a terrorist

[01:15:16] in the last season that but God yeah I mean.

[01:15:20] I have something to do now.

[01:15:23] I've done before where is Vic now probably the January 6

[01:15:26] convention you know he is that guy where he's probably had

[01:15:30] something your worst possible event and he's probably there

[01:15:33] but the other thing is he's probably in the last place

[01:15:36] where you expect him to be I mean they drove that van

[01:15:39] around so many so much as well you know it was always

[01:15:43] so funny how they were able to cover that up and get rid of

[01:15:48] bullet holes that were lodged in it.

[01:15:50] I mean especially when they're crossing into Mexico that was

[01:15:53] while is like what are they going to say to the border

[01:15:56] patrol guy that prevents them from searching their car.

[01:16:00] And again yeah it never felt over hokey I know some people

[01:16:05] who said on rare occasions they they thought the show went

[01:16:08] to fantasy land in the last season but.

[01:16:11] I think it was just I really did think it was clever

[01:16:13] because it wasn't so much.

[01:16:16] What's said I'm still shooting.

[01:16:20] Well and they they get they you're following just so much

[01:16:25] like it's even fun how Vic even becomes a fugitive briefly

[01:16:30] sure and you know like so who am I rooting for now am I

[01:16:33] rooting for Shane am I rooting for my rooting for

[01:16:36] the cops to catch him it doesn't matter I'm just I'm

[01:16:39] along for this crazy ride because there's falling down moments

[01:16:44] at times where I'm just like oh Lord you know it's

[01:16:47] this dark scenario and and just wanted breakfast now I want.

[01:16:55] Well and yeah that it I mean we mentioned so many just

[01:17:01] them eating but like it's so pivotal like it doesn't feel

[01:17:04] like they're just having a good actor or just she was

[01:17:08] scenery really feel like you're just having the day to day

[01:17:12] lifestyle and.

[01:17:14] See there was no cliche.

[01:17:17] Yeah the gang bangers were well defined you got a sense

[01:17:21] of their own distorted viewing I have Ryan a few times

[01:17:26] shown the pilot to a few people I'm like inspiration take

[01:17:30] it yeah just watch it like because it's one of the best

[01:17:34] for them.

[01:17:36] Yeah and it doesn't try to do too much that's the other crazy

[01:17:40] thing like what we've talked about sounds like it's too much

[01:17:43] this is like it could have easily been too much but they

[01:17:46] just somehow they just had.

[01:17:48] They really were shooting as fast and as manic as it looks

[01:17:52] on screen they were they had good editors they.

[01:17:57] I mean there were times where they didn't know what to do

[01:18:00] with certain serial killers so again you know that's why

[01:18:02] they would just take a vote do you want to do one more episode

[01:18:04] on this guy you know as a recurring subplot for Claudette

[01:18:08] or Dutch or should we just you know.

[01:18:11] Have them leave after one or two episodes.

[01:18:15] It might kill 50 people bye.

[01:18:18] These these writers are all still working with each other

[01:18:22] that can you say about that you know because you see other

[01:18:24] guys who are like oh I liked my own my career to him but

[01:18:27] I would never you know work with him again you know

[01:18:29] he stole my ideas or he was toxic you know.

[01:18:32] How great is that it is like they all.

[01:18:35] They're all one side of the same coin they all have a similar

[01:18:38] style they all have similar productions they.

[01:18:41] I think it boils down to the net itself like you're under

[01:18:45] an umbrella network like it's really good but if you're

[01:18:50] with someone who.

[01:18:54] It's not never got any notes from the network surprisingly

[01:18:56] like.

[01:18:57] What is that and he kept waiting he kept being like did I go

[01:19:02] did I go too far to upset someone no keep doing what you're

[01:19:06] doing.

[01:19:06] I'm like he's like all the down like cuz it's easy to do

[01:19:12] that and I think so many others have just you know been

[01:19:16] so power they've been unfortunately some of these

[01:19:19] writers have acted like Vic you know that had come out of

[01:19:22] them scandals is like they take the power and then

[01:19:25] they abuse it and just like dude there's no need to be there's

[01:19:29] no need to be a jerk to all these people who help you out.

[01:19:34] And you know these actors still work together you know so

[01:19:38] that that's a blessing you know I.

[01:19:41] That there's not none of the animosity you see on screen

[01:19:44] carries off in the real world so that you know kudos to

[01:19:47] all that rare kind of profession you know so when

[01:19:50] people say well you got to be crazy and like you

[01:19:52] really don't.

[01:19:53] You just go home and you don't take this character home with

[01:19:58] you you know unless you're Julian.

[01:20:02] Oh yeah that's a good point and I think yeah I was devastated

[01:20:09] that day when I'm like Jesus so he had a mental breakdown

[01:20:12] he shot his wife he left his kids is or yeah that's what

[01:20:15] we have when I saw it up he's a good actor I'm like

[01:20:18] what the hell happened.

[01:20:20] And see it was so he was also such a minor character too

[01:20:25] and he's like yeah I mean.

[01:20:29] I don't think though this show there really was no minor

[01:20:33] characters at the end of the day at least in my eyes

[01:20:35] because you compare this to almost any shows especially

[01:20:38] the ones that were out up through this one literally

[01:20:41] if there was a character in more than one episode

[01:20:44] there was character growth and on those shows

[01:20:47] you cannot say that.

[01:20:49] I mean even the the other crooked captain who basically

[01:20:53] mentored Vic you know like he's only a few episodes but

[01:20:56] you feel his essence in the rest of the show.

[01:20:59] Well even throw away characters like Connie who was a prostitute

[01:21:03] that Vic helped out a few times there's genuine character

[01:21:06] growth and she's only in like eight or nine episodes

[01:21:09] total.

[01:21:10] That's true we think okay he cares about her but he's

[01:21:13] also taking advantage of her and then and it's so

[01:21:17] funny he keeps lying to himself saying I'm doing a good thing

[01:21:20] and it's like yeah and you're also an adulterer and everything

[01:21:23] but I also like how they just got that all out of the way

[01:21:25] like we know everything this person is the fact that

[01:21:29] they the whole vice squad is just very unusual with how

[01:21:35] they got dangerous stuff.

[01:21:38] Aisha Heinz she's one of her first roles and she talked

[01:21:41] about how they all thought that out gave everyone a

[01:21:43] backstory and bring them to Rome.

[01:21:46] She actually did kind of the physical arrest and everything

[01:21:49] I'm like good God and oh yeah Gabriel Union was on there too.

[01:21:54] Was she?

[01:21:55] Yeah so when she called that kid.

[01:22:00] No way but she was a cop right she was a C.

[01:22:06] I know I don't think it was Gabriel Union definitely wasn't

[01:22:11] there I would have known but now to your point I mean

[01:22:15] they they did such a good job of also just illustrating how

[01:22:21] these characters like they're explosive anywhere whether

[01:22:27] they're at home whether they're in the field and the way

[01:22:32] they just would lean in on that stuff you're like

[01:22:34] where's this going I mean all the other shady people

[01:22:38] who has a beta does business with how he tries to convince

[01:22:42] that reporter to follow him around like and it's just like

[01:22:46] man is like all these guys are living in their own little

[01:22:50] world and we have to suffer along with all the other people

[01:22:54] who are impacted by them and just all every character is

[01:22:58] legit surprise on screen like it invited you to kind of

[01:23:03] see what they were thinking it wasn't just will duh you

[01:23:06] know it wasn't you know I figured that out before everyone

[01:23:09] else did it they you wanted to kind of just it's like you're

[01:23:14] looking into a crowd and you're just you want to see what

[01:23:17] everyone's thinking while they're watching this like sports

[01:23:20] game it kind of had that just everyone plays off of each

[01:23:24] other and it it's just it really is just it's a polarizing

[01:23:30] to it's a polarizing bucket of fruit.

[01:23:34] It's like this fucking fruit.

[01:23:36] It's so polarizing.

[01:23:38] Look at these strawberries they're so good.

[01:23:41] They're so good.

[01:23:42] This apple it's shiny.

[01:23:45] Shiny yeah this banana it's.

[01:23:48] It could have easily been that it could have easily been a

[01:23:50] glossy but empty show and they put us to all the filmmakers

[01:23:55] just being the types who just relied on just I mean the

[01:24:01] camcorder look was perfect that gave it an indie kind of

[01:24:04] feel and I loved how well that's that was this way before

[01:24:10] fucking each day.

[01:24:12] Yeah way before so that's what's so wild I'm looking at the

[01:24:15] Blu-ray and what Hulu uses and like I can't believe it's so

[01:24:19] HD it's not all these years yeah but it doesn't it doesn't

[01:24:23] change it at all in fact that only makes it actually more

[01:24:25] gritty it's not like other films where now you see detail

[01:24:28] you never saw previously.

[01:24:31] Yeah I mean it really I'm we're kind of going to circles but

[01:24:36] I mean it it is time you know something is good if you can

[01:24:40] just talk about it you know again and again and again you

[01:24:44] know and yeah I'm sure anyone who rewatches it once a year

[01:24:49] like they will they can follow a different story each season

[01:24:53] like this time I'm going to follow and see how so and so

[01:24:56] evolves this time I mean I've done this with bal Sarkoak

[01:24:58] like it's like I already know the twist with the Dama star

[01:25:02] bug and company this time I'm going to follow some of the

[01:25:04] minor texts who actually much like this do impact five other

[01:25:09] characters in the show and so I mean because read diamond

[01:25:13] again he's only in two episodes you know one in the pilot

[01:25:17] as Terry the narc and then another photos and footage

[01:25:21] but you know read diamond is a pro like yeah he said how

[01:25:25] this and homicide allowed him to grow and then big parts and

[01:25:28] stuff like spider into but like he also you know he had been on

[01:25:33] other shows where like wayward pines that you know he he

[01:25:39] did he it's an interesting contrast he did all the

[01:25:44] research where he read about the book that was being

[01:25:46] adapted he's like okay I really like how I'm going to be

[01:25:49] on this and everything and then unfortunately new show

[01:25:53] runners came in and his character was basically a featured

[01:25:56] extra like that's how we define it and so he just sucked it up

[01:26:00] on that one he's like okay I'm getting paid but I'm not going

[01:26:04] to I was ready to go and give you this creative juice and

[01:26:08] you don't want any of it so I'm not going to give you

[01:26:10] that sin and that's okay because you're not focusing on me

[01:26:13] much so I think that's is it like when you start off so

[01:26:20] welcome and you get everybody comfortable and you just

[01:26:22] show hey you are here for the long ride you're not you know

[01:26:27] because we like you or until we get tired it's like when you

[01:26:33] form this behind the scenes creative family you're going

[01:26:36] to have good stuff and instead of cuz like you hear about

[01:26:40] all this other stuff like how some of the characters and

[01:26:44] all the different star tracks were there just to be a poster

[01:26:46] child and they found out after the fact and were furious

[01:26:49] or like Jesus I thought that producer actually liked me

[01:26:52] you know the liar you know and it you need to just be able

[01:26:58] to you know not take was your people communicate is like I

[01:27:03] look forward to creating art you know yeah and could as to

[01:27:08] the writers you know to be able to play off all the stuff

[01:27:12] and how all have a similar mindset they all like all

[01:27:15] kinds of different stuff a lot of it the same it wasn't

[01:27:18] ever you never saw cuz you'll see some of that in those

[01:27:22] other franchises where people contradict each other or seem

[01:27:26] like they're jealous of the other guy doing a better job

[01:27:28] than them is like no we all wanna we're all on a sports

[01:27:32] team and we all want to hit the goal you know

[01:27:35] yeah and really I just and again the fact that I can

[01:27:40] name more than just one or five characters that's

[01:27:43] that's that's a testament that's and the best part

[01:27:46] about real life show is I call him by the character name

[01:27:50] when I see the actor yeah yeah best part is your original

[01:27:58] favorite isn't your favorite it's always changes because

[01:28:04] you've changed over time and your thoughts have changed

[01:28:08] over time mindset has changed over time and your whole

[01:28:14] perception of show what you thought that represented

[01:28:17] doesn't necessarily present that yeah and yeah that was cool

[01:28:22] back then but now I thought they were a well intended guy

[01:28:25] who happened to be in the asshole is like nope they

[01:28:27] were a liar all the time and they played us for a full

[01:28:29] yeah there's all kinds of other characters anyone saying

[01:28:32] I got it and one go around you are lying to yourself.

[01:28:37] Takes a while yeah.

[01:28:39] But the fact that we're still thinking about it and we

[01:28:42] get shades of that but it's weird it's both popular and

[01:28:46] kind of underrated like there's always someone yeah it's

[01:28:52] that weird kind of gray area where it's done a lot for TV

[01:28:55] but

[01:28:58] nobody wants to talk about it as much because it's not

[01:29:03] you're offended because you don't stand it.

[01:29:06] I mean breaking bad didn't take off right away the

[01:29:10] office and then take off right away that all these other TV

[01:29:14] classics from any other era you know weren't famous overnight

[01:29:17] you know so I mean

[01:29:20] it's true Star Trek was famous in reruns now I was

[01:29:23] like you know

[01:29:25] Twilight Zone had plenty of episodes that were banned

[01:29:28] because not because they showed anything but just because they

[01:29:30] were disturbing

[01:29:32] you can show that horrible.

[01:29:35] They didn't even show anything but they were so powerful

[01:29:38] someone said please don't show that except in the morning

[01:29:41] hours so I mean I would see is the CW air edited versions of

[01:29:46] that there were other cable channels that did re-show it

[01:29:48] and the other cable stations that showed it.

[01:29:53] I thought still did a good job of presenting it it was

[01:29:56] just one of those you can take stuff out it's not completely

[01:30:00] impacted it's not like

[01:30:02] you might get a you know a use of shit and a bare butt

[01:30:05] that's edited out but it's really

[01:30:08] it's just one of those like

[01:30:10] what again

[01:30:11] I saw the truth I remember seeing being up one morning I

[01:30:16] could you not I saw a trailer for both that in 24 and then

[01:30:19] the next morning I saw a trailer for the wire so is this

[01:30:23] like

[01:30:24] 2002 was crazy

[01:30:27] intense year where it's just like let's

[01:30:31] let's have all that was just after 9 11 so you had everybody

[01:30:35] on edge yeah we can't be the we can't talk about real life

[01:30:38] stuff but at the same time we still got to have some social

[01:30:42] commentary and other stuff and

[01:30:45] it's a real life but we'll do real life people thought it

[01:30:48] was shocking so they tuned in and then ended up being

[01:30:50] something more I mean I know other people who like all

[01:30:53] kinds of stuff and they're like

[01:30:55] that show is so weird I don't know why I kept watching

[01:30:57] it but they still give it a positive review I mean

[01:31:00] I know other people who probably wouldn't necessarily like

[01:31:02] this but they would watch it through into the end because

[01:31:05] they know

[01:31:06] I mean it's kind of like how you see other people who

[01:31:09] don't like Westerns but saw all a deadwood or hate fantasy

[01:31:13] but they saw all Lord of the Rings or Game of Thrones so

[01:31:16] it's like well it had something that made you say

[01:31:22] this stands out to me somehow it doesn't have anything to

[01:31:25] do with my genre or

[01:31:28] style preferences it's just a good story objectively

[01:31:31] yeah it really is like

[01:31:35] if someone were to say yeah they stole from Tarantino I

[01:31:38] would just be rolling my eyes how why no

[01:31:42] I'll do you better Tarantino stole from this how about

[01:31:44] that

[01:31:46] Tarantino stole from something here he took something

[01:31:49] and put in a blender like he stole from Telethon's

[01:31:53] even people I don't even see many people if I see anyone

[01:31:57] who just has not cared for it and this is not to shame them

[01:32:00] you like what you like I'm just like

[01:32:02] it's often just like I don't really like crime stuff

[01:32:05] is like is that kind of person is like okay so

[01:32:08] you you were never going to give at the time of day anyway

[01:32:10] but

[01:32:11] as it's like

[01:32:13] to even call it a Serpico light would just like how

[01:32:17] if anything this is Serpico on steroids

[01:32:20] I don't like crime stuff but I'll watch along order in the

[01:32:24] background

[01:32:25] I hate sci-fi but I love Star Wars yeah

[01:32:31] I don't like storage track but I don't put it on for noise

[01:32:35] I don't like it when the protagonist is a villain but

[01:32:39] I watch the pranks the best thing ever yeah it's you will

[01:32:42] say I don't like women but I'll watch Charlie's Angels

[01:32:45] oh my God

[01:32:50] and yeah I haven't seen too I haven't seen too many toxic

[01:32:53] fans I run a Facebook group on it and it's actually pretty

[01:32:57] well behaved I haven't ever had to tell anyone okay guys

[01:33:00] getting a little too over political like

[01:33:03] surprising I'll see people who are like this shows a little

[01:33:08] to PC but they're not to the point where they're

[01:33:11] trying to get in wars with each other and challenge each

[01:33:13] other if anything they're

[01:33:15] there's actually a few of them who are dedicated to

[01:33:18] talking about moments involving Shane or Ronnie believe

[01:33:22] or not so here's some fanfare for it fair for you Ryan

[01:33:26] that's good yeah they love but yeah no I see I had no idea

[01:33:32] where this is going to go I had my notes and you guys had

[01:33:34] yours I take about it like but

[01:33:38] that's also kind of the beauty of it like to even

[01:33:41] I there was some great stuff on like the AV club and other

[01:33:46] like places that would do movie video game and TV reviews

[01:33:51] and I think they now I don't really see as much of that

[01:33:55] something something

[01:33:56] somewhat happened between 2016 and 2021 because now

[01:34:01] I see

[01:34:03] it's yes or you know it's more like I could you not like

[01:34:08] I will look at a TV recap just when I'm making notes and

[01:34:11] about to record an episode and I kid you not I would

[01:34:13] see people who are so

[01:34:16] frustrate

[01:34:17] why don't they wrap this up in one episode I'm like

[01:34:21] these are reviews for I kid you not like Lovecraft Country

[01:34:24] and Yellowstone I'm like it's a

[01:34:29] but it felt

[01:34:30] I mean I even saw a highly negative review of Ray Donovan

[01:34:34] the movie and it sounded like this guy was just like forced

[01:34:37] to give an editorial on it is this one of those I

[01:34:40] I don't get that sense from as many critics or even bloggers

[01:34:43] anymore it just seems like they are forcing themselves to

[01:34:46] like suffer for something

[01:34:48] instead of like

[01:34:50] binge it

[01:34:52] let it soak in or just give it a season to evolve like

[01:34:56] and

[01:34:58] this show somehow like it could even just take in a casual

[01:35:01] person and they're like I'm gonna

[01:35:02] you know I'm gonna Tivo the rest or I'm gonna get the

[01:35:07] DVD you're later and rewatch it as so it was kind of that

[01:35:11] show where if you came in late you were still entranced by

[01:35:13] like three different things happening and you're like

[01:35:15] that was me with Babylon 5 really

[01:35:18] also there you go for the sample when I first saw it

[01:35:21] when I first heard about it on TV back then I didn't

[01:35:25] care for that like fuck that it's trash it's garbage

[01:35:28] I saw one of the movies later on yeah I'm like I should

[01:35:31] get into this later something very intense but

[01:35:35] I could go to anyone who can do that too because I see

[01:35:37] other stuff where

[01:35:39] that wasn't as kind to it where it got impacted by writer

[01:35:42] strikes or if you missed one you missed it all like it

[01:35:45] just you couldn't break it down and I think it helps

[01:35:49] that there are some visual stuff but this is where it

[01:35:53] kind of even gets like the X-files and where there is

[01:35:54] this one

[01:35:56] little underlying issue and it slowly blows up in

[01:35:59] everyone's face it slowly

[01:36:02] becomes

[01:36:04] like if it's not part of the bigger picture it's now going

[01:36:07] to be a recurring issue and it's not again it's not to be

[01:36:11] soapy it's not just to

[01:36:13] you know have cheap drama like you're just like man

[01:36:16] I

[01:36:18] I'm not sure what's going on here but I'm looking forward

[01:36:21] to the

[01:36:22] suspense like if they had kept everyone

[01:36:25] on a cliffhanger I think they still would have had a

[01:36:28] good audience but you know Sean

[01:36:30] saying hey you know we got a good audience

[01:36:32] we got to come up with something and tied up in 10 to 13

[01:36:35] episodes you know kudos to him because like

[01:36:37] no one else again now that's second nature now everyone

[01:36:41] now networks playing ball saying sure we'll do 13

[01:36:44] episodes you know it's just the summer show but

[01:36:47] yeah it seems like much like Oz like it is a evolving

[01:36:52] show but it doesn't

[01:36:54] it does does not seem as much horrible I see people

[01:36:57] who don't even know anything about saying elsewhere

[01:36:59] how straight blues that's how

[01:37:02] yeah that's how I'm going back to watch those anymore

[01:37:06] yeah unless they have who they don't watch it but

[01:37:09] I went through

[01:37:10] elsewhere rather recently it's as a diamond it's a

[01:37:14] great show but I

[01:37:16] a lot of people will just be like oh I know Denzel the

[01:37:18] movie star like well they just didn't sell the TV star

[01:37:22] did you know he did you know he existed and

[01:37:26] the complex doctor character

[01:37:29] and kudos to any of these guys who have been actors who

[01:37:33] are now directing and visual effects and editor guys who

[01:37:39] taken off in their career and kudos to all the other

[01:37:42] guys who were supporting writers who've gone on to do

[01:37:45] their own thing I mean

[01:37:48] we've all mentioned all these different genre elements

[01:37:50] those don't always mash together either you know

[01:37:54] that's true you'll see movies where does a good job is like

[01:37:57] a horror or as a mystery and then it has an action back from

[01:38:00] now on you're like that feels like a rewrite you know

[01:38:03] in dark comedy sometimes the cynicism can just be too much

[01:38:07] for the off-color moments can just

[01:38:11] be like well that that was shocking but that wasn't

[01:38:14] darkly amusing you know

[01:38:16] let's do something I'll call it give me some crayola

[01:38:23] they definitely took their grand's chopped on them and then

[01:38:25] spewed out something that was definitely it was one gorgeous

[01:38:30] yet ugly looking rainbow it was

[01:38:33] it was awesome shit

[01:38:36] and that's the other thing too like I do you ever get a sense

[01:38:40] that people who might have been talking real life might have

[01:38:43] watched the show and then like I'm looking at a mirror myself

[01:38:47] I can't believe I'm watching this and it's me I relate to

[01:38:50] Vic.

[01:38:51] Oh don't do that.

[01:38:53] Those people aren't self-reflective enough for that.

[01:38:57] That's probably it too they're just they're enjoying all the

[01:38:59] gore

[01:39:01] off-color humor.

[01:39:04] And I mean

[01:39:06] we've already talked about how everyone no one is the same

[01:39:09] person at the end of the show but they're not even the

[01:39:11] same person by like season two or free even you know

[01:39:14] like they keep

[01:39:15] Dutch gets better at solving crimes you know when he

[01:39:18] first starts off

[01:39:20] he's just like

[01:39:21] I got you and then other people are like dude I literally

[01:39:25] already got him to confess while you were gone.

[01:39:28] So it's his mom it's his ego stroking and it's so funny too

[01:39:32] how

[01:39:33] like even background characters like kudos to all the ones

[01:39:37] directing all the extras and

[01:39:40] like everybody felt like they belong there was never a sense

[01:39:43] of I don't know what to do in this scene you know

[01:39:47] like even just again we talked about one off characters like

[01:39:51] it's so hysterical in that one episode and this is talked

[01:39:54] about and even some of the recap

[01:39:58] podcast you guys would love the Shatter Shield podcast we

[01:40:01] were going to try and have them on in the future because

[01:40:03] Libby herself is a very cool mystery writer but

[01:40:09] like they joked when they created this podcast is like

[01:40:12] why is a popular show not have a recap podcast you know

[01:40:15] and they love the episode where Shane is at the strip club

[01:40:20] and he actually believes that the stripper loves him.

[01:40:24] It's just like

[01:40:27] so but it's so funny because not only are

[01:40:31] is every other person like about to be a victim like even

[01:40:35] the villains are victims at times and it's just it's just

[01:40:39] outrageous.

[01:40:39] He's like

[01:40:42] I got it's almost is like the whole don't bullshit a bullshit

[01:40:46] or just like well yeah we'll sit these guys they will buy

[01:40:48] anything because that's all they thrive on and even and Vic

[01:40:52] you know obviously he buys into bullshit but he doesn't care

[01:40:56] that's the other irony.

[01:40:58] He does not care because he knows and this is a show with

[01:41:02] just actual three dimensional characters. Most of the

[01:41:04] shows not not everyone you know people are just good guys

[01:41:08] are bad guys the show is real people they're a little bit

[01:41:11] of both all the time.

[01:41:13] Absolutely and

[01:41:16] because they're not you know

[01:41:18] we've had it at work every once in a while like I had a

[01:41:22] co-worker who died due to health problems he seemed perfectly

[01:41:24] fine when I was there but I wasn't in every step of his

[01:41:27] life and so they really do take advantage of the whole

[01:41:30] they're not in the same place at the same time so they're

[01:41:33] always surprising each other it's like

[01:41:37] Julian and Shane have a cool friendship going because they

[01:41:41] bring that respectability to each other and you know

[01:41:44] and little does he know yeah Shane is actually a psycho who

[01:41:49] will die for Vic and then later goes on his own crazy streak

[01:41:52] and it's just funny just seeing how limb evolves too in terms

[01:41:58] of

[01:41:59] he he's at first he's the backup guy and then he becomes

[01:42:03] just the guy who's like okay I'll do this for you back or

[01:42:08] you know and then he becomes the guys you know I got a bad

[01:42:12] feeling about this thing

[01:42:15] and

[01:42:17] that there's we can make a plenty of bomb puns but you know

[01:42:21] the show has plenty of them

[01:42:24] and you know for Kavanaugh to evolve you know at first

[01:42:28] you think he's just

[01:42:30] you know pretty intense and then you're realizing he's becoming

[01:42:34] unstable he's got

[01:42:36] you know a wife who's you know bipolar and taking her meds

[01:42:42] and Vic decides I'm going to close to her to get back at

[01:42:45] Kavanaugh like oh my God sick fuckers

[01:42:50] and

[01:42:51] you know we talked about all the other one-off characters

[01:42:54] is like but that's just it yeah they're they're so

[01:42:57] free-dimensional is like everybody has a purpose it's not

[01:43:01] I just need someone it doesn't matter you know

[01:43:04] you'll have a cream crime kingpin who's there and

[01:43:10] he'll he'll have just some matter of fact statement as he's

[01:43:13] getting arrested that just makes you go far like that's so

[01:43:16] true

[01:43:17] you'll

[01:43:19] they'll be arresting a prostitute or a drug mule and

[01:43:23] he'll say something and Vickle say I'm actually here for this

[01:43:27] there's that scene where he takes on a big Latino gang you

[01:43:31] can YouTube it

[01:43:33] I think the clip is Vic being a badass and he's like

[01:43:37] there is the guy yeah right

[01:43:39] he comes to a meeting and he still has

[01:43:44] a gun that has one bullet in it and he's like by the time

[01:43:48] you shoot me

[01:43:49] you know already have shot at the main king and

[01:43:54] even though that probably wouldn't happen that way in real

[01:43:56] life it doesn't matter the show has earned your respect

[01:43:59] because it's built up all that tension all that stuff and so

[01:44:04] again yes it's a movie is not real life but it's never to

[01:44:07] the point where you're just like

[01:44:10] and I think it helps that everyone was along for all

[01:44:13] those seven years it was never

[01:44:16] I got to get my replacement you know some shows are fine

[01:44:19] they're all

[01:44:20] they're okay with different voices in the room they evolve

[01:44:23] but

[01:44:24] you know more than half the time

[01:44:26] the network gives notes or

[01:44:28] they hire someone who's just said yes but didn't really know

[01:44:32] what the show meant so you know

[01:44:35] no thank goodness you know they

[01:44:38] it's so wild how the actor Kenny Johnson who played limb

[01:44:41] actually got paid for season six and he wasn't even in it

[01:44:44] Oh wow

[01:44:46] was probably designed to long term contract. Yeah, it was

[01:44:50] something like that and

[01:44:53] he was also

[01:44:55] I think he said something along the lines like I couldn't

[01:44:57] believe some people cried at that some people were shocked

[01:45:01] obviously but in a way where it's just like oh man

[01:45:04] and it's so funny like now we're seeing this with shows

[01:45:08] like secession now where some people didn't get the sad

[01:45:10] tired they're just now realizing everyone's a bad person

[01:45:13] I'm like really

[01:45:13] why is everyone becoming dumb all of a sudden but

[01:45:18] because they're not used to it and you got to be there ever

[01:45:21] like this shows one two years old

[01:45:25] we're still talking about it. Yeah. Whereas new shows today just

[01:45:31] they follow the coattails and they make their own layouts

[01:45:36] and shit that make them you

[01:45:39] and it's hard to talk older shit. I guess some people are just

[01:45:44] attention seeking like they're trying to review something

[01:45:46] and then realizing I don't actually like this I

[01:45:50] people told me you notice now how people they used to when

[01:45:54] you when you were recommending them something they used to

[01:45:57] want to know the nuts and bolts okay what's cool about

[01:46:00] that you know and if it was similar you know that was

[01:46:04] just easier to sell you on that like hey you like Matrix

[01:46:06] you'll probably like Blade or you know Underworld something

[01:46:10] like that you know and now it seems like people don't even

[01:46:14] want to ask the follow up question. Oh so why do you like

[01:46:17] it or why are you recommending it to me usually it's like

[01:46:20] I someone told me it was good I trust them I'm like well

[01:46:23] inevitably you're probably not going to like it but there's

[01:46:27] a reason now I don't even get the follow up is like why

[01:46:30] do you like it or not like it just sucked or it's awesome

[01:46:35] for watch it like women in it that's why I like can you can

[01:46:40] you give me the elevator pitch please if they had an elevator

[01:46:44] pitch he wouldn't he would stall the elevator and make it be

[01:46:49] 20 minutes and you would still not have the whole picture

[01:46:52] but you'd be intrigued but he could do it in a minute too

[01:46:55] and you'd be like I mean look at those trailers you got

[01:46:58] everything you knew but you also knew it wasn't just

[01:47:00] shocking there's just the way it's filmed is different the

[01:47:04] way it's it's similar but it's different and then yeah you've

[01:47:08] seen dirty cop movies and drug dealer in heist films but

[01:47:13] it's just again it just unravels and on candy way and again

[01:47:19] like you you don't want to skip an episode to get to that

[01:47:22] you know it's not like a stand up and you want to go to your

[01:47:25] favorite punchline you know it's I want to see all the

[01:47:28] inner workings of it I want to go through the whole

[01:47:30] journey again because I also love how when they do the various

[01:47:35] highs you don't you the viewer are just blown away but you're not

[01:47:41] you're not actually getting off on it like they are you know

[01:47:44] that they're releasing on it they're addicted to and you're

[01:47:47] just like oh and Vic's getting a divorce and so he's

[01:47:51] devastated as he's coming home.

[01:47:54] And see he's told himself is lie I'm doing it for them

[01:47:57] it's like no mother fucker you're doing it for you but as Ryan

[01:48:01] hit on before yeah when everything comes down you do

[01:48:04] finally realize is like all these lies he's Harvard you know

[01:48:08] he's always known but we're actually fine and cool as to

[01:48:13] him to always have a sense of mystery you know and it's

[01:48:16] not just the layers it's also just how it progresses you

[01:48:20] know you know when you when you update your phone you kind

[01:48:24] of also cool to those guys who update it you want there to be

[01:48:28] a different kind of progress bar once the wall or see see the

[01:48:31] results as it's changing the system and I think that's the

[01:48:35] other thing too like they're they were changing you know now

[01:48:38] FX is devolved and they're like that's how our networks

[01:48:42] going to be from now on edgy shows that you play after

[01:48:45] nine or ten o'clock you know and I saw it with all the

[01:48:49] other stuff they did that was horror or war related and

[01:48:52] this is like yeah but it started with this show this this

[01:48:55] show like it could have been on any network I guarantee you

[01:49:00] TNT wouldn't have known how to deal with it USA would have

[01:49:05] probably said can you film it dirt cheap in Canada will

[01:49:07] green light it can you cut out a lot of this stuff just

[01:49:12] wanted something just shocking but you know with

[01:49:19] death they've always been about edgy and yeah they're like

[01:49:23] hey it's cable you can take extra time we want to their

[01:49:28] mission was we want to sweep HBO at the Emmys that's our goal

[01:49:33] and they did that first year but like checklist doesn't

[01:49:36] check list is prepared with his speech so could as to all

[01:49:39] these guys they knew their brand you know when he's

[01:49:42] thinking forget getting the Emmy he's instantly thanks all

[01:49:47] the directors all the writers and the now boom you know

[01:49:50] anyone else would have been oh my god I don't know what to

[01:49:53] say thank you baby Jesus like my mother yes I know he

[01:49:59] everybody had something ready to go you know it's like so

[01:50:02] cool you know I I feel like we've hit the nail in the

[01:50:07] head but like this is also kind of a blueprint in a way

[01:50:10] like you want it when you go into a kitchen you want to

[01:50:14] know also the kinds of pots and pans you use you know

[01:50:18] spices all that shit yeah more than just how long do you cook

[01:50:22] it you know don't be using no quality shit.

[01:50:28] Don't even be using you know cheap Val Vita crap you know

[01:50:33] is like and that's what's also fun too like we're seeing

[01:50:37] these characters as their I couldn't even compare them to

[01:50:41] other real life people I know chick list it but like I couldn't

[01:50:44] when just taking it in Sean Ryan I'm really surprised with us

[01:50:51] that Sean Ryan never got in touch with David air right they

[01:50:56] yeah are you familiar with him.

[01:51:00] Oh yeah definitely yeah and so like the closest you get is

[01:51:03] with street things like oh let's bring Whitaker and let's

[01:51:07] have another dirty cop turned hero and it is interesting

[01:51:11] how yeah it's like they've been totally word perfect together

[01:51:15] but like I you know like Sean also just he wasn't trying to

[01:51:21] take off on a film career or even be the next Martin Scorsese

[01:51:26] or Nick love he's just trying to do what he's always done

[01:51:28] I mean he originally wrote a pilot script that didn't get

[01:51:32] used for the show friends.

[01:51:34] How does that like he was used to shopping stuff around

[01:51:37] he was a nice guy he he just knew hey I like movies I like to

[01:51:43] entertain people I know how to humor them and put a smile on

[01:51:46] their face so let's let's he's since gone on to do even just

[01:51:50] other companies he did one with Donald Loog that was about

[01:51:53] EV investors and businessmen in LA so it's like people were

[01:51:58] like that's a good show and FX why to get canceled you know

[01:52:00] so the network still loyal to all these guys you know

[01:52:04] I know Kurt Sutter is working on a Western with Jillian Anderson

[01:52:07] Lena Haiti that's supposed to be his version of yellow stone

[01:52:12] he called there's a there's a massively underrated FX show

[01:52:17] that no one ever talks about that stars.

[01:52:22] I love that show it is amazing funny and it has

[01:52:30] you're talking about the Queen Latifo Benjamin Brett

[01:52:33] no star star.

[01:52:37] Oh star yes I do remember that was like one season we're

[01:52:42] like it was different again word that was really different

[01:52:46] it wasn't trying to be just another live track and that was

[01:52:52] all sterling.

[01:52:54] Oh my God it's all on YouTube.

[01:52:56] Yeah, oh that's nice that was yeah that's a circle.

[01:53:00] Yeah sir.

[01:53:01] Yeah sirlings first TV role before he did army wives in 2007.

[01:53:08] Yeah, get him go.

[01:53:11] I know I saw him there's a holy shit there was a racial comedy

[01:53:15] show that Ice Cube produced there was a black white.

[01:53:18] I love that that is so underrated the one that I love that

[01:53:22] no one talks about was an Andre Braga heist show called

[01:53:25] thief.

[01:53:26] I remember that and yeah this is it six episodes didn't get

[01:53:31] picked back up and won some Emmys and there's like or got

[01:53:34] some knobs at least I'm like see but they decided to again.

[01:53:39] That's just like the Dark Crystal Asia resistance.

[01:53:42] It lasted one whole season.

[01:53:44] I canceled one a bunch of Jim Henson was willing to experiment

[01:53:48] and they didn't give it a chance so I mean and now

[01:53:50] on awards that you're right.

[01:53:53] David Simon just got let go by HBO because they didn't honor

[01:53:56] the whole writer strike.

[01:53:57] I'm like that is bullshit way to acknowledge that your masters

[01:54:03] of entertainment you know it's like so I think FX has always

[01:54:08] been there you know even though they're you know Disney's

[01:54:12] overlooking most of the Fox Outlook they're still allowed

[01:54:14] to say hey you can keep doing something edgy with all the

[01:54:17] Ryan Murphy's and other guys just haven't get it done on

[01:54:21] time and let us market it and Kudos to all the extra names

[01:54:26] they're able to get you know I because I mean most TV actor

[01:54:32] movie actors did not want to bother with TV unless it was

[01:54:34] like something like you know the Muppets or you are you know

[01:54:37] it's like I'll be on something you know sure you can get

[01:54:41] Robin Williams sure you can get whoopee like yeah but I

[01:54:45] mean easy gig it's not an easy gig but I mean can you

[01:54:49] imagine how they would have probably pitched all these

[01:54:51] different roles to different actors you know it's like

[01:54:53] yeah definitely were auditioning everything but I mean when

[01:54:57] I hear back on how they got all these guys like they just

[01:55:01] they really were in the right place at the right time but

[01:55:03] it was also they were just they were gentle.

[01:55:06] I think it was just even though the show was urgent

[01:55:09] there wasn't any of that like on set is like let's try

[01:55:11] this let's try that you know let's do a version where

[01:55:14] we show this lot twist and then let's do a version

[01:55:17] where we show something less explicit.

[01:55:19] It's like it wasn't found in the editing room too you know

[01:55:25] so like so much stuff is on that first season.

[01:55:30] And what we found on the floor right.

[01:55:34] Oh, the clue some some ability I never knew how to do.

[01:55:38] Yeah, it's definitely let's go friend.

[01:55:42] It's also just so much fun seeing how Danny kind of

[01:55:45] has a running I wouldn't call it a gag but it's a recurring

[01:55:48] thing where she's teaching the new person and yeah time that

[01:55:53] person is doing something.

[01:55:54] She's like I'm gonna have to arrest you or suspend you or

[01:55:58] up shots fired my partner's just been killed and she

[01:56:01] loves just even the most minor stuff like upset her to

[01:56:05] where she's like I don't know why I'm doing this damn job

[01:56:07] and it was cool because like much like Dutch was the

[01:56:10] straight man you needed that person who was also just

[01:56:12] like what what is happening right now?

[01:56:15] Why am I here in or and she was having like a coming to

[01:56:20] Jesus moment like everyone's a season.

[01:56:23] Tell me Jesus.

[01:56:25] I have a kid and I will raise it and I will make sure Vic

[01:56:28] is nowhere near there.

[01:56:31] And

[01:56:34] so yeah, any time I would see the actors and other stuff

[01:56:37] I would geek out I'd be like oh awesome they're gonna

[01:56:40] do a variation on that same person or they doing something

[01:56:43] different you know and yeah, who does to them.

[01:56:46] They all have good agents.

[01:56:47] It seems you know I had no idea.

[01:56:50] Walt and Gawkins could do deliberate comedy until the

[01:56:52] unicorn then he did the still team six show and was like

[01:56:56] hey you know he now is only.

[01:56:59] Oh he's on what what now fallout or Amazon.

[01:57:02] Yeah, I need to see that he came back on the recent

[01:57:06] justified comeback.

[01:57:07] I was like see I called it I knew he was gonna come back

[01:57:10] in some way.

[01:57:12] It was really funny.

[01:57:14] He just

[01:57:15] I've been a fan since I actually saw him in predators.

[01:57:17] It's so funny that's the same year I got into the shield

[01:57:22] but at the time I just I was like I feel like I've seen

[01:57:25] this guy I'm looking at his credits but I don't I don't

[01:57:27] know what he's famous for and fortunately I was there

[01:57:29] from day one I I see the shield and like okay this guy

[01:57:34] I was kind of that way with Frank Grillo when he did the

[01:57:37] purge and Captain America.

[01:57:39] I'm like this guy is going to go somewhere and it's somewhere

[01:57:43] good.

[01:57:44] I mean that a good way because like Chickalus I had already

[01:57:46] heard the name but this was I mean what a role you get

[01:57:51] the people who once knew him as a big part actor and then

[01:57:55] Generations X this is what they immortalize him from

[01:57:58] and they're like I want to now see what he did before

[01:58:01] he was famous.

[01:58:01] It's just a total rarity and just bringing all these different

[01:58:05] talents together.

[01:58:06] I mean when when they get talk about working with all these

[01:58:09] other actors they're like they they thought they were going

[01:58:12] to screw it up for the other guy like they got comfortable

[01:58:16] there's like they want to play off of them like it was

[01:58:20] never I'm going to take over your show now or this is my

[01:58:23] show and no one else's there was never any territorial

[01:58:27] trap going on.

[01:58:27] I think there's more freedom and creativity on TV versus

[01:58:31] family.

[01:58:32] I think that's just it had a bad name because people saw

[01:58:36] it's kind of like with any genre do you have you seen the

[01:58:39] worst side of it or have you seen the best side of it?

[01:58:42] That's true video games.

[01:58:44] I there are some good video games out there.

[01:58:46] We're just getting annoyed by the ones which are

[01:58:49] shooters.

[01:58:50] Yeah having crappy updates or the fans have ruined the

[01:58:54] experience.

[01:58:58] And so Ryan you watch this once a year or every once

[01:59:01] a month.

[01:59:03] This is my most rewatch show.

[01:59:07] Everything I've ever watched it's probably about every two

[01:59:09] years.

[01:59:10] I would probably put it on in the background on Hulu.

[01:59:13] I'm going to probably do so once I catch up on some

[01:59:15] other stuff for sure.

[01:59:17] It's just because I mean you it's kind of like a good

[01:59:21] book even if you know all the plot points you still

[01:59:24] want to go and embrace like certain parts of it and

[01:59:30] there's a lot of reward because we did mention some other

[01:59:33] good shows.

[01:59:34] Some of those are ones you really only need to do once

[01:59:36] and it's not because it's bad it's just it wipes you out

[01:59:39] and this can wipe you out but you still want to

[01:59:43] see how the cooking crumbles a bit they're still

[01:59:46] just as much effective stuff.

[01:59:49] Well definitely and

[01:59:52] again you you know reasons for why all the characters do

[01:59:56] certain things but you know it's more to it than that.

[01:59:59] Hey they're dipshit or they're in over their head or this

[02:00:02] is where they really have had the mental breakdown and

[02:00:06] went apeshit.

[02:00:11] Yeah I already joked about the HR can you imagine a counselor

[02:00:14] talking to these guys.

[02:00:17] So Vic do you feel any remorse for what you've been

[02:00:21] accused of?

[02:00:23] No not too.

[02:00:25] But see I you know he'd say something more than just that

[02:00:29] like it'd be better than just everyone needs to get out of

[02:00:32] my way or something like that.

[02:00:36] I think the other thing is it could have ended so many

[02:00:39] other ways like Vic could have had a getaway plan and

[02:00:43] that might have been satisfied factory but it really did

[02:00:47] lend its own kind of voice it's like no we're going to

[02:00:50] embrace this problem but now we're going to watch over

[02:00:54] him the rest of his disgrace career like I like how

[02:01:00] there's no one else in the office with them.

[02:01:05] This is like I wouldn't want to be in the cubicle next

[02:01:08] to him either.

[02:01:09] I mean you see it also to how when everyone's going to

[02:01:15] each other's like desk and everything like they did a

[02:01:19] good job of kind of instead of just the cliche again just

[02:01:23] talking on the phone or got someone who I'm getting a

[02:01:28] statement from like they would have just so many other

[02:01:30] stuff like you would lose track of all the people being

[02:01:32] paraded in and like you said before the cage was like

[02:01:36] the main part is like that's it's how you can buy into it

[02:01:39] that the LAPD is experimenting with this and even though

[02:01:43] it doesn't really necessarily always state rampart straight

[02:01:46] up there also.

[02:01:48] It's also kind of the show's way of saying we're

[02:01:51] commenting on society let's say for argument's sake

[02:01:53] something like this happens here's what we're going to

[02:01:56] do with our characters and here's the sandbox where

[02:01:59] they're all going to misbehave and yeah pretty much

[02:02:03] and technically the sandbox is for me and

[02:02:07] and no literally it really is a farm and sandbox and the barn

[02:02:12] is home base.

[02:02:14] Yeah, you go safe.

[02:02:17] That's a safe base.

[02:02:19] And Kudos to them because they were actually out in LA

[02:02:23] actually doing some of the on the spot stuff and it just

[02:02:27] looks like they were actually running through traffic.

[02:02:30] How they blocked it off and there'd be times where

[02:02:35] you know they'd be pursuing someone they get away but

[02:02:38] that's the point like they're not in their A game today

[02:02:41] and they would say something that was telling of what's

[02:02:44] to come next or like yeah they're running out of ideas

[02:02:46] and.

[02:02:49] But they did so good at you know they can't be a team

[02:02:52] forever but that's not the point like they're due to

[02:02:55] fail but they're all going to.

[02:02:58] Fill in different ways it's like yeah this is.

[02:03:02] Anyone who want I've seen so many great essays about the

[02:03:05] show that's how good it is it's not because there's other

[02:03:08] shows that are good but it ultimately comes down to pretty

[02:03:10] much the same punchline the same damn thing like you could

[02:03:15] have one article about one single character one.

[02:03:19] I mean one type of thing and pretty good for what we

[02:03:22] talked about like like we said there was like one

[02:03:24] moment where they would they had like one subplot that

[02:03:28] didn't go anywhere in one episode but there was still

[02:03:31] otherwise pretty solid outing is like so anytime that

[02:03:36] there's moments where Shane or Vic talk about their early

[02:03:39] days that they unfortunately didn't build upon but

[02:03:42] they kind of also had enough to go off of the captain

[02:03:45] who had groomed him a certain way and said you're

[02:03:48] going to do this and then Vic repays him by arresting

[02:03:51] him like the good cop and that was also what was ironic to

[02:03:56] me is like everyone has suspicions in there has heard

[02:04:00] a walker what he's playing by John Dahl who was on.

[02:04:07] Miami Vice but yeah I mean he was he's a good actor and it's

[02:04:13] so well too how his widow is played by Katie Segal who

[02:04:18] was later on you know sons of anarchy and your dick

[02:04:22] co-writer Kurt Sutter but oh wow yeah even just the other

[02:04:28] people like everyone would have trouble just watch.

[02:04:34] Yep I mean even just one off again this.

[02:04:42] Ben Gilroy was his name and I just want to how and everybody

[02:04:47] had their just bizarre just how they revealed stuff it was

[02:04:52] just yeah and you can't not watch the show and.

[02:04:59] Well what is I feel like we have closed out the tello.

[02:05:07] Ryan what what have you been cooking on.

[02:05:12] Too much last time I was on here I started releasing a

[02:05:17] magazine called the physical media advocate you can pick that

[02:05:20] up on Amazon or in a handful of retail locations across the

[02:05:24] US which is still insane to me.

[02:05:27] They got them.

[02:05:28] I always got it.

[02:05:29] Yeah started a production company last year I've been

[02:05:32] working on a lot of stuff behind the scenes working on

[02:05:35] some documentaries and I do extra features for some of

[02:05:39] these physical media releases that a lot of the companies

[02:05:42] that I promote are putting out so it's out it's under

[02:05:45] some over production you've been doing some of those.

[02:05:48] Yeah I do all kinds of them.

[02:05:50] Swing.

[02:05:53] Everyone get their hands on the Blu-ray it's got so many

[02:05:55] new special features if you want there is the 2018 round

[02:05:59] table with a reunion with the whole cast hosted by the

[02:06:03] mayor.

[02:06:04] I'll link it actually it's really good because they pretty

[02:06:07] much illustrate like they're talking about stuff but they

[02:06:12] don't know how to summarize without boring or getting too

[02:06:16] full themselves and then they end up interrupting each other

[02:06:19] because they're like wait a sec I thought that you know so

[02:06:22] they they find out other truths about each other that they

[02:06:24] somehow never know so it's almost like they're they're

[02:06:27] doing interrogation on each other it's fun and it's

[02:06:31] always good I like that for monitoring.

[02:06:33] You're right instead of one of them's just doing all the

[02:06:37] talking the other guys interrupting them or bored or

[02:06:40] easier not contributing anything just standing shy in the

[02:06:44] corner.

[02:06:47] But yeah I mean what a great time guys that I mean yeah

[02:06:52] thanks and to be able to just describe the show that the

[02:06:58] one that keeps giving you know.

[02:07:00] Yeah.

[02:07:02] Just so so stellar you know and

[02:07:07] it again guys just going to watch it make your own thing

[02:07:10] don't don't feel like it's got to you got to know someone who

[02:07:14] works you know a Spover or

[02:07:17] low it helps it helps but I mean you know don't rely on

[02:07:24] coincidence you know and your name doesn't have to be Tom

[02:07:27] Cruz you don't have to

[02:07:30] have done something infamous to be famous just try something

[02:07:34] fun.

[02:07:35] That's true.

[02:07:37] And just everybody you know just because it's hard it's hard

[02:07:43] to remind everybody the difference even between a homage

[02:07:46] now versus I'm inspired by you know.

[02:07:49] Yeah that's true like I know oh my just really well if I

[02:07:54] see it I'm like yeah I remember that that's from

[02:07:57] something else they picked up one and there's other shit

[02:08:00] where it's just like you're just copying just like same thing

[02:08:05] yeah absolutely different.

[02:08:08] Absolutely and I'm going to link this to you now my dude

[02:08:11] I'll actually send this your way so you can watch it right.

[02:08:15] I've watched it twice already I think already wow yeah on

[02:08:19] one of the braids perfect I do this a lot with some of the

[02:08:22] office and 24 stuff is like I'm seeing how they're making

[02:08:25] stunt stuff I'm seeing how their brainstorming in a

[02:08:28] writer's room special features are starting and of themselves

[02:08:31] you know like yeah that's true.

[02:08:33] I love it when the people are pranking each other in the

[02:08:35] commentary track instead of just you know but then they'll

[02:08:41] go back to form and provide some useful trivia and it's

[02:08:43] like suck it IMDB.

[02:08:47] It's like that's perfect you know there was a B movie I was

[02:08:51] watching one time and Michael Madsen is joking with the

[02:08:53] director saying oh don't you want a little too far in that

[02:08:56] scene you know and he's like you're going to talk.

[02:09:01] This is cool for them because like they they evolve as their

[02:09:04] own kind of storytellers and so that's the luck to him if I

[02:09:08] guarantee you if one of them decides I want to direct a movie

[02:09:11] all those guys are going to start working together and

[02:09:13] Sean's going to do the funding.

[02:09:16] Probably.

[02:09:19] And it's not just going to be we'll do it and we don't

[02:09:21] care it's going to be we're going to put on another

[02:09:25] show that obviously people go and see anything we're in

[02:09:29] but then we're all going to we're just going to do a

[02:09:31] kick-ass thing with our resources.

[02:09:33] Once again always a delight always a diamond chat and

[02:09:37] yeah again.

[02:09:39] You guys are troopers always a joy talking to you so Ryan

[02:09:43] you guys rocked it.

[02:09:44] I will let you have a fun rest of the tonight.

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