Star Wars Vs. Star Trek Vs. Lord of the Rings Geek-Out! (with Treksperts Podcasts Keith M. Sedor!)

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[00:00:45] Because I want to go for the little side, side tangent if you don't mind for a second Cam because I talked about this on my show, The Trek Experts Routetable. It's fine. Just this most recent episode.

[00:00:55] There are a lot of elements to what we're referring to as new Trek that's kind of like new vinyl. Do you ever remember a product called New Vinyl? It was meant to polish the vinyl top of your car in the 70s. You're not old enough, but I'm okay.

[00:01:11] Oh, I know what that is. So it's new with an NU. So new Trek is with an NU. It's the live action Treks that are currently the problem. Because you know season three of Picard notwithstanding. I'm going to give that one a pass for the moment.

[00:01:26] But anybody working on Discovery on seasons one and two of Picard and even Strange New Worlds. Strange New Worlds was such a something we demanded as Trek fans and they delivered it to us and they delivered this most horrific version of it.

[00:01:54] And we could talk a whole other show about what could have been, should have been better about Strange New Worlds because I love the actors. I love the ship. But the writing and the direction they've taken the show is atrocious. It's the first time. Conversely.

[00:02:17] Don't get me wrong. I love Anson Mount and I love all the actors on the show. And I want want want to love on failingly. I want to love Strange New Worlds, but it is failing miserably.

[00:02:31] And only if you know Trek as well as a lifelong fan of all Trek does will you see where the chinks in the armor are. I see zero issues. I do have issues with the animation. Well, let's do a show. We just talk about that.

[00:02:46] I'll do a deep dive enough for you and I'll bring you around to my way of thinking. I promise because I'm not a hater about certain things. I never said you're a hater. I love all things Star Trek except for the Fast and Furious movies.

[00:03:00] Let me tell you what is right about 21st century Trek. It's the animated Treks, but it's not the animated Treks. It is a thing, but it's not a thing. No, it's the people in charge of them.

[00:03:13] Mike McMahon, who is doing Star Trek Lower Decks, gets Star Trek, knows Star Trek, loves Star Trek. Same thing for the Hageman Brothers, the guys who did the first season of Star Trek Prodigy. You watch Star Trek Prodigy and put aside the fact that the medium is animation.

[00:03:35] Season one of Star Trek Prodigy, Cam, hands down, is one of the best Star Trek stories told in 55 years plus of Star Trek. I will put that up against what I said now 10 years from now because one of my good friends

[00:03:54] on the Trek Experts Roundtable, Rob Raman, was good enough to send me a couple of screenshots of me gushing about how great Star Trek Discovery was a couple years ago. And through the lens of hindsight, being 2020, I could see it for the schlock that it is.

[00:04:13] Every season of Discovery used some other element of Star Trek as a crutch. That's all the stories though. Whether it was the Mirror, no, no. All of them are worth that first year. No other Star Trek did a whole season based on the Mirror Universe. No, no, no.

[00:04:30] No other Star Trek required the Enterprise to come in and save them. That's not what I meant. Tell me what you mean. I'm saying they're always weak their first season, every single one of them. Because you're right, you're not wrong about that.

[00:04:44] But here we are going into the fourth season and it's like, oh we're gonna wrap up after five seasons because we're 930-some odd years in the future. Discovery had started with, oh here's this ship from the 23rd century 10 years before

[00:04:59] the original series and something happens, happens, happens and boom, beginning of the first season, we're 930 years in the future. Would have been a great story. But they took three seasons to figure that out. First we're doing the Mirror Universe, now we're getting Captain Pike. Seriously, listen.

[00:05:17] They all take a while but they're all part of the same coin, the vein issue. The person who deserves the most credit because he's doing live action track is Terry Metallus. Terry Metallus, the Hageman Brothers and Mike McMahon,

[00:05:32] if we get rid of everybody else and put these three teams in charge of all present track, it'd be fire in all thrusters. Well I would get rid of the lower decks one because other than the section 31 and the DS9 episode.

[00:05:44] Okay tell me why, why would you get rid of the lower decks? It's an archer cartoon. Yeah I like how it's canon but there was so much filler bullshit this season. Well in season three? Yes the out-

[00:05:57] Season one I look at it and go, this is just Star Trek with dick and fart jokes and loaded with Easter eggs. Seasons two and three of lower decks? No. Try to tell it on stories.

[00:06:06] No season three, when they had that owl planet that has nothing to do with the rest of the season. Okay that was a bad episode I'll agree with you. That was a dumb episode but in fact it's the one I won't go have back and re-watch

[00:06:20] because I tried that. That and the the EXO comp peanut hamper, dumb. I like the animation. They get a cringe character but yeah. I'm with you on that. I'm with you, I'm with you on the animation of Prodigy. That's some good animation but- You don't like the story?

[00:06:41] It's more of a Star Wars clone wars cartoon. It's not- Oh see I don't think so at all. I think here's this story where they found some kids. I mean listen with the kids on this ship and their own little side mission,

[00:06:53] a half a dozen kids does it have a little bit of a Star Wars rebels feel to it? Maybe but that's kind of like by design because it's the audience that went after the seven and up crowd.

[00:07:04] But I think even though they're going after the seven and up Nickelodeon crowd, it's still being told in a way that doesn't feel campy or kitschy to adults. I will- I watch it with my seven year old daughter and she loves it.

[00:07:19] I mean listen she'd rather watch Star Trek Lower Decks but I have to cherry pick those episodes so you know I never has this parent been more grateful to see at the beginning you know TV 14, TV PG but it says violence or language.

[00:07:38] If I see the one that says S for sexual situations, we skip that episode for the seven year old. But you know she'd rather watch Lower Decks so I have to cherry pick those episodes but I could trust that Prodigy was actually tailored for her age group.

[00:07:53] I will go with Strange New Worlds and Paula Picard. When Picard came back- Really? Okay we're going to take this side track further. Yeah side track. I see what you're doing there. In side track really. Oh let's get Dr Mbenga.

[00:08:10] His daughter's stuck in a transporter buffer because we can't keep- What the hell is this crap? I mean and here's the other thing. But here's my real real problem with Star Trek Strange New Worlds. I have to couch this carefully and tighten this up fast.

[00:08:28] No you know otherwise you like what you love. No no I'll get accused by your listeners of being like anti-woke or something. Just go with it. Just say what you want to say. I love Captain Pike.

[00:08:40] I always thought from way back when it would have been cool if we had a Captain Pike show. But if you go back and watch The Cage which is the ground work for what Pike's enterprise was, there's a lot of guys on that ship.

[00:08:54] And listen I don't care if we have a starship that's crewed mostly by women. I'm totally cool with that. I love women. We wouldn't be here without women. Women are great. Give me another Star Trek show. But there's a handful of guys. Jose Tyler. I mean Pike's Yeoman.

[00:09:10] Yeoman Colt was. See so if they don't adapt every single character from an original 30 plus year old show. Why tell a story based upon characters and a ship that people wanted to see. I mean okay fine. Even if we have all original characters and they're all women.

[00:09:28] I don't care about that. I really don't care about that. Oh let's go get Uhura because people know who she is and we'll make her a cadet. Oh let's get Dr. Umbenga from that one episode of the original series. Yeah makes sense.

[00:09:39] Let's get Christine Chappell on there and she was probably still in medical school when you know that would have been happening. Makes sense. You know let's just shoehorn all these TOS characters into this show just to make it more familiar.

[00:09:53] No give us some original characters and have them be meaningful and make them all women. I don't care if they're all women just don't cherry pick all these TOS characters. Well they had plenty of other original characters in there so.

[00:10:06] Oh and here here's the biggest one because I find the Trek Spurts Twitter and scroll through the feed. I've got a picture of the guy who played Dr. Boyce right next to Jeffrey Combs and if

[00:10:21] Jeffrey Combs isn't the spitting image born to reprise the role of Dr. Boyce on this show I don't know who is. He's too busy doing horror movies. Why is Dr. Boyce on Pike's Enterprise? I mean Jeffrey Combs is the guy who's played 15 different roles on every Star Trek.

[00:10:39] You lost me here so what's the problem? Where is Jeffrey Combs in Star Trek Strange New Worlds as Dr. Piper? I'm still waiting to hear a point on why the show is not the best. I just told you all the reasons and the storytelling.

[00:10:54] Oh my god I mean listen Spock's brain is the doomsday machine by comparison to that one. Okay let's run it up. Time time what's what what's the problem? It's it's schlock it's kitschy it's. Why is it schlocky? It I'm trying to define that for you. Who is it?

[00:11:20] It doesn't look rushed. It doesn't. Okay watch the cage and thought here's a very introspective but deep guy and. Well they had to change it out. Pike is acting like he's everybody's best buddy.

[00:11:35] Okay but they had to change it up because Jeffrey Hunter doesn't even want anything to do with Star Trek so they're gonna take on it. Correct which is my point is that they're they're gonna do their own formula on it because then they'll be accused of being formulaic.

[00:11:50] Same thing happened to all these other spin-offs. Here's my nutshell cam here's my nutshell and then we'll get back. Feel like they watched some Star Trek and then just started writing. Well okay so I've got into this before.

[00:12:03] Nicholas Meyer made the best track movies and he didn't want them to be at all like the show so that already loses me. Compared to Star Wars track as far as I'm concerned is still alive and well.

[00:12:15] Star Wars I'm now convinced should have always been a Buck Rogers firefly type show because after seeing all these soulless Disney movies. Star Wars? Yeah thousand percent. Oh you're not digging on the Mandalorian? I'm saying it's great now that it's a Buck Rogers type show.

[00:12:32] Before that I had I thought it was dead because I had to endure all these lifeless Disney movies and cash grabs. Okay. Okay. A fair amount. I think we're probably on the same page with Star Wars for me the original trilogy is only

[00:12:46] were only thing worth its salt. The first the prequel trilogy was fun when it came out because it's the first new thing we had in a long time but you realize it wasn't it didn't have the staying power.

[00:12:59] Even even Rogue One I went into the theater I remember going to see Rogue One after reading the prequel novel Catalyst and anybody who read the Star Wars prequel I mean it was a good book it was a really good book and the funny thing was the book

[00:13:17] the last page of the book ends right where the scene opens at the beginning of Rogue One. You're like the person talking about that. I couldn't get the book read fast enough before we went to the premiere.

[00:13:32] I literally finished the last page as the lights came down in the theater. I'm in line literally brought the book with me finished the last page as the lights were going down in the theater and I'm over I finished this and then the screen comes

[00:13:45] up a long time ago in Galaxy far far away. That's just where I left off in the book it was great and I loved the movie and I loved the fact that they're uploading the plans and then we're on the tent of four

[00:13:58] and then you know Vader's in there and he's killing all these guys and then Princess Leia gets away hope it was great okay granted we wanted a little better CGI and I'm sure

[00:14:07] they could probably fix that now with as far as they've come in the last few years. AI generating. Exactly but here's the thing this movie lacks the same thing that that Han Solo movie lacks. Oh gosh.

[00:14:22] Watch ability I let's tell you this I left Rogue One going oh my god that was the best Star Wars movie since the Empire Strikes Black blah blah blah blah I can't rewatch it.

[00:14:34] I have tried no fewer than half a dozen times and I yeah I get it at most movies nowadays that is my issue with them most of the time they are one and done you've seen

[00:14:46] them you don't need to see them a gazillion times which sucks because all our movie other movies we've grown up watching before we became cynical before we realized every Hollywood's out of ideas they still held up because you could reanalyze the

[00:15:00] swift editing the wonderful art design the practical. Just to touch on what you said right there you just said something important I don't know that Hollywood is out of ideas I think we have the wrong people in Hollywood

[00:15:13] because before you and I were born before there were film franchises before there was Marvel there was Star Wars where there was Star Trek you had talented writers who would write stories and they would get made into tv shows or movies one way or another they made a

[00:15:32] living but they would like Isaac Asimov didn't have a franchise he would write a bunch of different stories Arthur C. Clark made sure exactly yeah they would write solid science fiction stories and filmmakers own their shit today exactly the problem I feel

[00:15:49] we have today is that we don't have died in the wool independent sci-fi writers writing today we have fans writing sci-fi today we have fans well I mean sometimes that works look at altered carbon that's a cyberpunk love letter okay but yes there's there's

[00:16:10] too many people's nephews and nieces going around and you know post me too we've seen so many shocking emails of all these once respected studio execs who truth be told they don't give a shit about anything no and they're so worried about it make me money

[00:16:29] that's all they care about well but that but now it's gotten to even oh but will it put butts in seats even more but they need to just do away with the whole if we don't peek

[00:16:41] at this high number in China our movie's not a hit it's like fuck you stop rolling I mean before before Star Wars I mean George Lucas was a visionary in that all he wanted

[00:16:53] from 20th Century Fox was the merchandising rights no one ever heard of that oh you want to sell t-shirts and lunch boxes okay we guess nobody did that before well pretty much

[00:17:04] no I this and this is where I like it you know even even me as a kid I didn't watch Star Trek in the 60s because I was born in 68 I watched it and it's first syndicated run in

[00:17:15] 70s and what's interesting about that when most things were getting toys they would come out when the movie was out the tv show is out Migo came out with Star Trek figures during syndication

[00:17:27] yeah unheard of yeah and Roddenberry he's had some stuff he's not the most proud of but he was a visionary in and of himself he had already outstayed his welcome in so many other

[00:17:39] procedurals anthology shows and sci-fi so it made sense that this was his baby and he kept milking it while Lucas no that's a good contrast because with Lucas Star Wars Star Wars basically

[00:17:52] both made him and destroyed him yeah because that was the only thing you know we love Willow some of us not all but it was not okay no that's fine it wasn't a hit at the time and

[00:18:04] that's kind of why he went back to the well or Davis is a good actor you know make him an ewok put him inside r2d2 or so that's Kenny Baker's r2d2 but you know um I wouldn't give

[00:18:15] you a wooden nickel for Willow or no it's fine for me it was my Lord of the Rings I'm just not a middle earth kind of guy you know no that's fine because I think about

[00:18:26] Randall in clerks two talking about what the Lord of the Rings movies were about a bunch of people walking they walk first movie they're walking second movie they're walking third movie they're walking plucks the ring off his finger drops it in okay guess we're done

[00:18:43] well and that's this that's the crazy part is like not everyone can get into Lord of the Rings not everyone can get into Star Wars even though they both inspired each other so

[00:18:52] I mean Randall Randall said it best in clerks too there's only one return okay and it ain't of the king it's of the Jedi man it's like the best scene in that otherwise awful signal

[00:19:05] hey listen clerks is my it's tied for my favorite movie of all time tied with Star Trek through the wrath of con there you go in 1994 in 1994 I was rent I was Dante Hicks

[00:19:20] I'm not even just a bee here today Dante is amazing and in fact I would pay money to see him do a Star Trek cameo he probably won't but why not what's he got to lose well the funny

[00:19:34] thing is is Kevin Smith actually bought the theater in Atlantic Highlands New Jersey that was his hometown theater yeah he does that you know he shows you know current stuff too but

[00:19:48] I think you can go see his movies there on the regular but you know the the funny thing for me I mean we are so sorry I apologize dude we're having a stream with how long day we're letting

[00:19:59] all our geeky energy to that we can't even say to anyone else without them looking at us though strangers growing up here in Jersey and relating very heavily to Kevin Smith's Dante character I loved clerks because clerks takes place in the immediate county north of the county

[00:20:19] I grew up in so we were always in that county it's even more personal but in the follow-up movie mall rats you know he couldn't get for insurance purposes permission to film in any of the New Jersey malls yep so he goes to Eden Prairie Minnesota

[00:20:42] to film at the Eden Prairie Mall which is a smaller mall about five ten miles away from the Mall of America which is one of the biggest malls ever yeah and which I was actually in a

[00:20:56] movie I was I was in the Arnold Schwarzenegger movie Jingle All the Way There I was an extra oh sweet so if you ever see Jingle All the Way where he's chasing the little girl through

[00:21:06] the ball pit and the right when the angry mother's a costume and he goes I'm not the puppet immediately after he says that there's a guy with an arm full of rolls of wrapping

[00:21:16] paper comes over his right shoulder that's me did you ever put it on your IMDB I wish right go for it no I didn't meet Arnold Schwarzenegger but I did spend a good amount of time on set

[00:21:29] talking to Arnold Schwarzenegger stunt double a guy named Danny he was a real nice guy oh it wasn't Peter it wasn't Peter Kent it was Danny no it's Danny I forget his last name no I know

[00:21:39] the one you're talking about that that dude that is the same one who plays the guy who tries to stop his vehicle in T free oh okay yeah yeah Billy D Lucas but I think yeah he calls

[00:21:50] him Danny I think something okay I thought you'd know more about it than I do that but anyway my point is is that in mall rats these guys go from the mall which is shot in

[00:22:05] the Mall of America which they get kicked out of which is supposed to be a New Jersey mall to the Route 1 flea market which does not exist anymore but on Route 1 in New Jersey

[00:22:15] there was a big flea market it's actually a Walmart on that property now and I knew the Route 1 flea market very well because it was someplace we'd frequented we were younger on a

[00:22:25] Saturday and for me it was such a major disconnect to go from the Eden Prairie Mall oh I didn't tell you my dad lived in Eden Prairie Minnesota so I've been to the Eden Prairie Mall so for

[00:22:38] Kevin Smith to try to sell me a movie that we're going from the Eden Prairie Mall to the Route 1 flea market when they're eight states apart sorry I'm out of the fiction there

[00:22:50] I cannot suspend my disbelief I mean there's always going to be just I don't think anyone knows what a mall is actually like in the movies you know think yeah you look at commando where

[00:23:02] there's like 20 different security guards you're like get out of here that's okay that's wrestling logic that's nice now granted it's not meant to be realistic but still this is like even then when you apply even modern day video game Grand Theft Auto type logic this just

[00:23:19] hurts your brain because you're like why does everyone keep thinking this is a thing my god on realism or not it is a head scratcher when you see certain things like anytime anyone's in a Miami scene and it's never raining in Florida which is like yeah no that's

[00:23:37] just not how it works but because we're filming in southern California yeah Kelly good old Kelly well the weather's a little bit different there now these days but hey oh man so should we talk about the board queen yeah who is your favorite of all the betrayals

[00:23:56] and rest in peace anywhere she yeah well she was good but I think Alice Krieg is probably the best one yeah I think the board queen as she was portrayed in Star Trek Voyager Endgame probably my favorite oh with cry returning

[00:24:15] me Alice Krieg yeah yes yeah yes I'm trying to think there were a couple of other ones she was good in first contact but I think really in Voyager Endgame that's the one that

[00:24:37] really hits home for me because really it's her and Janeway going head to head and it is a good finale you know for as deceptive as the board queen is she doesn't expect that Janeway can

[00:24:53] have that layer that unexpected layer of duplicity to defeat a villain it would be almost like if I was just listening to um that was a 20 contain 20 and Newsome who plays uh Beckett

[00:25:10] Mariner on uh Star Trek lower decks she is one of the hosts of the official uh Star Trek podcast the pod directive and they were just talking about um which of the captains had the uh most

[00:25:27] direct moral compass so definitely Janeway it was always between Kirk and Picard and someone oh really it's not as big it was the wife of somebody who was on the show it was not

[00:25:38] as big a trek fan didn't realize there were a bunch of other captains on different shows and I don't think it's that Janeway has a tighter moral compass I think her loyalty

[00:25:50] is such that she's going to protect her people at all costs you know she won't violate the private directive to do it but she'll change history to do it yeah well and it goes back

[00:26:03] to the first rule of thumb like everyone like Cisco pretty much he's kind of like Sheridan on b5 where he does the whole you know playing chicken until waiting for the right chess move

[00:26:13] and you know Picard is a little more patient and Kirk's the daredevil and so she's kind of a good and like I say it's just a good balance between the two she does a bit of

[00:26:24] everything she if she wants someone to do something crazy she's going to give it to Paris or Chaconte you know actually if you like Captain Janeway if Captain Janeway is is your jam there is a book the autobiography of Katherine Janeway

[00:26:40] but specifically the audiobook because it's read by Kate Mulgrew I mean it's like you're getting Star Trek Voyager bonus material you didn't know about it's literally eight hours of her telling Janeway's life story from the perspective of Captain Janeway do you feel like it says in

[00:26:58] tune to be Admiral Janeway do you feel like it says intriguing as the Spock and Picard biography where they read more so of all of the captain's autobiographies and you know Kirk would have been my favorite Janeway's just hands down the best I mean the one

[00:27:14] autobiography I really want I mean hell I would probably offer to write it but I don't want to write it I want to read it I want somebody like you know David Goodman

[00:27:23] you know all these other spin-off material just yeah I want these I want one of these guys who's Peter David Peter David one of the best most prolific knows Trek well Trek writers I think

[00:27:35] Peter David would be the best person to write the autobiography William T. Riker that's a book I'll half agree and I'd love to hear Jonathan I'd love to hear Jonathan Frakes

[00:27:45] narrate that book the audio book he could probably do it but I feel like even Kevin J. Anderson or who did heir to the empire in Star Wars uh the Timothy Zahn I'd like to see them

[00:27:59] somebody's on yeah I want to see them take on some track I love those books those are some good those are some good Star Wars uh expanding universe dude the expanding universe was pretty

[00:28:10] much what got me into Star Wars just knowing that there was more under the table okay quickly favorite expanding universe character okay maybe favorite expanding universe character good favorite expanding universe character evil I mean yeah yeah if this is from any of the

[00:28:34] Starfleet Academy books be my guest I am not no no no Star Wars uh was Star Wars I'd probably go with uh from shadows of the empire I'd go with um Lord Zasor no well he was

[00:28:50] cool but um Dash Rendar he like Dash Rendar huh he should totally be in like a video game or a spin-off they actually made an action figure of him correct but not the whole and and he

[00:29:04] came with one of those little mini rigs vehicles I know way too much about this I mean they did that in even Dark Empire Luke so yeah they've done all kinds of things but like

[00:29:13] team him up with Kyle Katarn that would be dynamite I would pay to see favorite Star Wars expanding universe evil I think uh okay uh well like you just said there some of the

[00:29:26] other guys uh the one Twi'lek gal guy yeah he he would definitely be up there I'll tell you mine Admiral Thrawn Admiral Thrawn yep yeah Admiral Thrawn and you know they they made him canon by

[00:29:39] putting him in Star Wars Rebels a lot yeah so I'm waiting I hear the live action version of him is going to be coming to either Book of Boba Fett or Mandalorian I'm pretty sure by

[00:29:49] the end of this mondo they'll definitely put him in there but yeah so they can't not Thrawn is my favorite evil expanded universe character because and Mara Jade is my favorite expanded universe Mara Jade is very underrated yeah I got so disappointed that I used to have a

[00:30:07] baby listen I come across as a Mr. Star Trek you know I tell people I love Star Wars I love Star Wars but I love Star Trek but I still love Star Wars so I mean

[00:30:22] for me there was always this whenever one was up the other one was kind of waning and then they would always be in cycle with each other it's the same as alien and predator

[00:30:32] everyone always wants to act like the other is significant it's like they laugh I love the alien movies I've never seen any of the predator movies I've never seen Blade Runner Keith you don't have to see every single movie in the Val Verde saga

[00:30:51] which is amazing because that also means that die hard and speed and commando are part of that whole saga too but I'm not making that up that's a Joel Silver Semenidou Suza universe but yeah it is amazing though how we're now getting people who

[00:31:09] are talking shit about anyone who doesn't like the IMDB top 250 when 90% of those movies It's A Wonderful Life, Blade Runner, even freaking Fight Club are all movies that were hated at the time so it's just like guys what you consider legit for these next 20 years

[00:31:26] may not be in the other audience yeah absolutely hey listen listen I get very passionate I get up on my soapbox and I've got very fervent opinions about what I tell you I do and don't

[00:31:36] like but I also respect anybody else's opinion to like or not like what they do or don't like and you gotta let it out you gotta let it out because it will eat you up if you do

[00:31:45] not share that opinion and so many other people are like why is there no voice for this I'm like there's voices for everything if you look yeah I'll overturn a few rocks you'll find

[00:31:57] us well and the difference between any of the trackies here tonight is we're not going to do a hidden code a hidden language we're not an alt-right broadcasting network could you imagine

[00:32:08] that would be funny if there was like an alt I mean there's plenty of track I mean I remember I forget exactly what it was and how it was phrased or how it was worded

[00:32:16] but there was something along the lines of like you know how they say the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results different it was something along those lines and it was about you know something that's crazy

[00:32:31] is people arguing fervently over something fictional that never really happened yes like that you know it's like it's like that's what they call it headcanon you've got all this expand universe stuff all the written stuff all the game stuff and you can cherry pick

[00:32:48] and pick and choose what's in your version of star trek or exactly yeah you know what I'd like you're like this is what I dream of and I think it's possible because I dreamed of the idea

[00:33:03] if not the execution I dreamed of the idea of the DVR when I was a little kid in the 70s and 80s all right I'll tell you why when I was little the only way I could watch star trek because there

[00:33:16] was a time when star trek was on six o'clock you know after dinner no six o'clock was pretty only on it was only on at midnight and I would step here was the channel 11 syndicated lineup

[00:33:28] it was the 10 o'clock news it was the odd couple at 11 the honeymooners at 11 30 and star trek at midnight and I would power through the news and the odd couple and the honeymooners

[00:33:40] just get to star trek but there were some nights I had school in the morning I'm a little kid at this point yeah I'm just wanting to go to bed and I would go to bed and I would turn the knob

[00:33:51] on the tv because that's what you did back then you turned the knob on the tv no setting or wishing wishing to myself and this is before we had VCRs yeah wishing to myself that you

[00:34:03] would have the ability to turn the tv off and the exact spot the show was on was where you would be when you turn the tv back on and we have that today but and there was a reason

[00:34:14] why I was saying that but um we're just so spoiled we have so many people who don't realize how good they got it compared to the have to wait it's for paint to dry

[00:34:24] tell me about you know I'll listen to the replay of this I'm like oh there was the part I was going to make and I didn't finish making it but it's fine I've already got my

[00:34:30] editing yeah there you go I'm the editor there's there's a track villain they should have someone who can edit the holodeck and make it real that would be a great ultimate track villain yeah right the closest you get is Moriarty shooting but that's about it well are you

[00:34:47] watching card through season three I'm waiting for the last two episodes to finish up so oh so you don't know what's happened yet I've seen the first five again dude I binge I binge

[00:34:58] okay just the way for tv to go obviously it's no secret that Moriarty's in it because he's in the trailer correct okay have you seen the episode where he's been in yet

[00:35:09] I have not seen that one yet I will get okay we won't discuss that then no I'll leave that spoiler for you it is earlier appearances were you a fan or did you not care for him

[00:35:18] it'd be interesting because well listen some track villains they bring back and no one cares but I didn't know how they were going to do it because the way we left Moriarty

[00:35:30] because Moriarty was actually in two episodes of next correct one where Geordi had a slip of the tongue and said create a Holmes character that capable of defeating Data when he should have said capable of defeating Sherlock Holmes and he comes up with you know Moriarty character who

[00:35:48] can control the enterprise you know from inside the holodeck but once he realized he could do these things they basically had to put him in a mini holodeck which was separate from the

[00:35:59] main ship and then they did you know tricked him into thinking he was you know in his own little world going off on a shuttlecraft so my concern was from the trailer that he was

[00:36:14] going to be looking for some type of revenge because he figured out the duplicity or whatever and without revealing any of it I'll just say it wasn't that and he was well played

[00:36:27] not just by the actor but the writers did a good job bringing back the character for what he was intended to do. Yeah that's it and but all together I mean just out of all the literally

[00:36:40] I don't want to spoil it for you so well no I just I'm going beyond that I'm just you have it there just the performance the idea the concept yes it was well executed in fact

[00:36:55] even though 20 years have passed since the next-gen episodes the actor was in and now if I look at them side by side then yes I could see the actors aged but he was so well presented

[00:37:08] in an Elizabethan era England type of look to my mind he looked exactly the same he did in the series without having to go back to see the episodes so yeah he was well presented

[00:37:22] yeah he was well presented I was I was happy with what they did with the character so it's nice yeah all together I mean I kind of wish there was a little more of that because like they had it

[00:37:33] here and there but it wasn't commonplace that they did that really that they had characters coming back actually the thing that surprises me the most about season three of Picard is Todd Stashwick's performance as Captain Liam Shaw yeah because I didn't know how I felt about

[00:37:53] this guy because as an actor he was kind of like Charles Bronson as a kid Charles Bronson terrified me hated him because he always played these characters who had this dark edge and it

[00:38:05] just anytime I'd seen Todd Stashwick before like he was in this oh he's always playing a prank or bad guy with mini driver called the riches there's that they submit the Irish Travelers and he was a really really bad antagonist and I hated him oh that's what

[00:38:23] he does I think that just demonstrates who he is as an actor and that's that's been my thing to get over you know I think I don't like a person if I don't like their characters because

[00:38:34] they play their characters really well but after seeing Todd Stashwick play this character and then seeing the actor in interviews about season three of Picard I feel like he's a guy I'd like

[00:38:46] to hang out with I will never hang out with that character he's also the same exact age I am too we're both born in 68 he's a good actor he's played a lot of evil pricks uh he's on a very historical episode of

[00:38:56] Psych but yeah no I would not want to hang out with this character because he's just too I don't remember the episode he was in it's in one of the episodes where he's like an evil boss of

[00:39:06] Gus oh okay but all together I mean I the actor is doing a damn good job with that character and yeah it's interesting how they've unpacked all this anger in him I just uh he reminds me so

[00:39:20] many of we were joking earlier how all the admirals on Starfleet are often just crooked or bad girls we call them bad rules there you go and it seems like he's on his way to being one of

[00:39:31] those guys who just starts contradicting himself yeah well I mean the funny thing is is that Todd Stashwick is a die-hard Trek fan so interesting him to come in and having loved

[00:39:47] Picard and Riker as a kid growing up you know through all younger big younger with next generation and to come in and act like a character who couldn't care less about these two guys coming on his ship and couldn't be many more indifferent to them and disrespectful

[00:40:06] and condescending to them uh and contemptuous to them really speaks to his ability as an actor because you know I've done some theater and I don't think I'd be able to hide my fan

[00:40:18] boyish if I was working opposite Patrick Stewart Jonathan Frakes and we would probably as fans all be kicked off the set because we're holding everybody up even if we're not asking him for his autograph or anything we're having trouble getting into character because we've been

[00:40:33] waiting so fucking long for the lights and cameras to set up right it's like I'm sorry do you see who I'm working with here god damn it this isn't just anybody this isn't just

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