Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire Novel-Comic-Videogame Overview

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[00:00:54] After the Empire Strikes Back and before Return of the Jedi, there was a time when heroes and villains alike lived in the shadows of the Empire.

[00:02:01] I was hoping as I was rereading the comics, that's the area that I know the most about as far as in this realm. And one of the drinks that's offered to Leia when she goes to visit with Zizor or whatever... Oh yeah, that... Is green champagne. And I was like, oh, that would be perfect for my drink of the evening. I'll just get some sort of fruit juice and some bubbly and we'll be good to go. But I didn't do that much.

[00:02:30] I mean, you can turn beer green into just a little Fucadilla. Yeah, right? No kidding. No, here's a mimosa idea. You got your champagne. Hi-C Ecto Cooler if you can find it. There you go. That would do it. That would do it. Yep. I love it. I was thinking one of the Red Bulls. I think a few of those are sort of a green color. But also like the specifically green champagne. So it was from the Champagne region of France.

[00:02:59] Imported all the way to another galaxy. Oh, don't worry. There's going to be plenty of drink. Oh yeah, I wouldn't have thought of that. I love it though. I'm glad you made that astute connection because I am always wondering what kind of drinks they're drinking. That implies there's a champagne range of the Star Wars galaxy. That's what that implies. We must go to the Dagobah system. We have a still there. That's right. It was from the champagne system. The entire planet is made of the... I thought it was from the Space Worm system.

[00:03:30] Preferably one stuck in asteroids. Where the space comes from. Oh yeah, there you go. So we got the usual suspects back here. Tom is ready to rumble. Cliff from Predator and Gonzo Minute is always ready to take off. And Hans has just been shot up like a rocket into space. But we got a very exclusive guest from one of the other movie minutes family. We got David Pallas from... Five Minutes of Mystery. It's the only podcast that covers mystery men in five minute chunks. Yes.

[00:03:59] Five minutes at a time. But you have been on real comic heroes of fun. I mean, yeah, I've been. But that's Travis's bag. Like he runs that show. Yes, he does. I'm just honored to be on it when I am. You always still have a hell of a time lately going through some of the 90s James Bond and the infamous American Godzilla. And you guys are always so chill. I will always learn something new about a character I thought was either shallow or very free dimensional, but you knew most of what they did.

[00:04:26] And you guys are always talking about their new gadgets, their new how their persona is portrayed, just turning to the dark side, all that stuff. Just I love. Yeah, I love. But yes, the mystery men episode was amazing. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. God, what I would love to get a sequel to that. And obviously, the sequel of Shazzy Empire. I'm not gonna get either. Probably before I die is what it is. You know, we should start another crowdfunder just for the hell of it. Make your own. Yeah, there you go. We'll do a fan film.

[00:04:57] Or we'll do our own thing that's very inspired by it. I've seen pulse cannons and gladiator droids. I've seen beggars canyon and imperial sewers. I've seen dead ends and infinite space. I've seen 360 degrees of tomorrow. And for once. Live to tell about it.

[00:05:28] Because I've got the ultimate fighting machine. But we decided, yeah. We were always gonna revisit some aspect of Star Wars one way or another. And it was just like, okay, we could talk about a few different spinoffs. And in this case, we had something that accessed all free formats. It was a book. And it was a video game and a comic. And it's just like, man. Like, everybody got impacted by it somehow for the most part. One way or another.

[00:05:56] And I've encountered all free. I would play the game on our PC. And I would, especially a lot in the 2000s. And I love the comic book because it's kind of its own unique version. Instead of having to be everything like the text. And there were rumors for a while of it. We should make this one of the movies. Back when the Star Wars Expanded Universe was first being popularized in the late 90s.

[00:06:21] And you guys were mentioning the main villain who's kind of the main focus. He's just a Feline. A prince from the House of Saron, I believe is how you spell it. And the leader of the crime organization Black Sun, which has been reexamined in the Clone Wars folklore now. And re-canonized. A number of things have bled over into canonization. Right. Much like General Fron, he was a popular villain.

[00:06:51] He was close to the Imperial Palace, but less splendid was his. His home outside Feline. And see, I thought he was like a Twilight kind of creature. And he's like, no, it's a Feline. And I'm like, oh, OK, wow. I didn't start a weird lizard, man. I think you're right. That's kind of what it's an allusion to. A sleep oil salesman. I think his backstory was like his family or people on his planet were killed by Vader, like during one of Vader's conquests after.

[00:07:18] Yeah, that's his whole like, like reason for doing what he's doing. That's a good point, because like. He like wiped it from like records that like his full family was killed by Vader. And like so he's doing all this other stuff because he can't fight him one on one like a typical. So he's doing all this subterfuge, you know, behind the scenes kind of stuff to take him down because it's like Palpatine. Palpatine does, you know, he turns all these different creatures. Very sythy.

[00:07:47] Right. You take whoever's the warrior of your race and basically have them commit genocide or make them think they're the superior one. Everyone else is lesser. And I forgot how they also imply that he's a martial artist in the galaxy. And he loves meeting up with Palpatine and the Hutts all kind of fear him. Yeah, he also like I think they said that he had like certain pheromones that like. Oh, yeah, that's gross.

[00:08:14] So they gave him a lot of different like they just like kind of threw throughout the wall and all these different villain things at him. And I think Palpatine even knew. I think Palpatine knew that Vader did it to to his family and on this planet. I think Palpatine is like, oh, this is like Palpatine was like enjoying the fact that that they were going to clash in some way. I thought that, too. I love that. Yeah. Vader's so brainwashed. He doesn't realize he's like, dude, he's going to harm one of your kids and then seduce the other ones. He's dumb as hell. Like, let's be honest.

[00:08:44] He's just a attack dog. He's a leash. You point him towards the direction of something you want done and he just is a maniac. Oh, it's what he wants. Think things through. Well, I mean, why did he still have his legs and arms and you know? Right. Right. You can be on the tallest hill and still not know. You know, he's a dummy. Right. He's just a dummy. He's a puppet. We also got from the Predator Minute joining us. Aaron. Aaron.

[00:09:14] Aaron. Aaron. Yes. Sorry. Don't you guys sometimes call each other Aaron? I thought you did in one episode. Yeah. We were just funny. They're calling everybody Ken. Here's what I'm Ken. Right. Yeah. You mentioned the whole thing about the pheromones. I was reading a little sort of like behind the scenes or whatever.

[00:09:40] And apparently there was it was part of the story that they had told the writer. I'm forgetting his name. Was it Perry? Yep. That was the no relation to journey. We swear. Hey, don't stop. Princess layout was supposed to be the whole thing. Like they were saying it was going to work. Yeah. Yeah. And the book and the novel that was supposed to happen. Yeah. It's wild to think because there's such control freaks over there, especially now to think

[00:10:09] that they were like, no, you should do this crazy thing. And the writer was like, no, no, no, no. They wanted him to do that. That's nuts. People weren't thinking it through. I mean, it's kind of reminds me of the original what was supposed to be the fourth Indiana Jones script. And it you'll love this. There's a lot of stuff that would not day well. We're where one of his students tries to. Accuse India of seducing her and it's like, so even post pre me to someone thought this

[00:10:39] was going to be funny. I'm like, man, why don't there ever be a love in the original Indiana Jones? You kind of can imply with Mary and all that. She's like, I was a child. Yeah. People were all other thing we don't need to get into. But right. But it's wild how they mentioned some of this risque stuff. And you're like, what what audiences is for? It should be PG PG 13. Right. Right. And here's your connection with the Indiana Jones to the person who did the soundtrack for Shadows of the Empire. That's right.

[00:11:08] It was a young Indiana Jones. Oh, wow. The fact that they had a soundtrack for something that never existed is fucking insane. Yeah. It rips too. Did they ever. It's good. It is good. It is great. Did they ever. I'm glad you brought that up. I knew it was fucking something. Did they play any of that in the video game? Some of that. Yeah. Yeah. It's probably like a MIDI version, you know, because it's the N64. So. Yeah. They had like almost every chapter. I think they had its own little little suite of music. I mean, I played.

[00:11:37] Yeah, I played N64 since it was like a launch title. Sweet. Me too. Yeah. I had for Windows, but I would love to do the N64 version. I mean. No, it's it's all blocky and polygons. I mean, that's the N64. Yeah. The PC has the full acted like video, right? It's a bit of that too. You couldn't. You didn't get those cut scenes and awesome animations page. That was kind of the other beauty of it, too.

[00:12:06] And what we play at the start of this recording, these awesome ads for it. So it's kind of the rarity. This this big, big multi-format campaign. And, you know, it's advertised everywhere in magazines. And I just love Dash Rindar. Like much like the Kyle Katarn. They do a good job of blending him in. There's other. Solo with shoulder pads. Absolutely. Yeah. He's just an 80s businessman or business woman.

[00:12:31] You know, I was gonna say that maybe maybe Rob Liefeld got involved. He'd have shoulder pads and pockets and really badly drawn feet. Badly drawn feet. He's still Rob Liefeld. Like, it's like, he looks like he has pouches everywhere. He never has anything he needs. At least he didn't. To be fair, at least he didn't have a Laura Croft type chest. At least as far as we go. He definitely had some. I don't know what's under those shoulder pads.

[00:13:02] Yeah. I like also that they totally just were like, I'm gonna go join my people back on my home planet at the end of it. Cause they knew that they were like, we just need them going. So he's like, he's like, oh yeah. They're like, keep doing having adventures with this. He's like, no, you guys are good on your own. And they're like, that guy, he's something else. We'll never see him. Never seen him. It's like, yeah. That's convenient. I feel like he has the persona of Biggs Darklighter minus losing his life.

[00:13:29] But yeah, he's more, he's got a code, but he is a little more selfish than Han Solo. He's like, yeah, and I'm out, but I'll remain too. I mean, he's Han Solo without the plot armor. Right. I see what you did there. But it's funny. I'm responsibilities. I, I, you, you mentioned the shoulder pad. They gave Kyle Katarn a shoulder pad as well. And both of them, they did make an action figure of. Mm hmm.

[00:13:52] And, but I think the beauty of looking at the video game, like the, the book and comic jump right into how is he going to escape? Why he's a smart ass, but he has. It's interesting that those three things, like they sort of tell the same story, but they had their own identity. The comic is more dash render. Right. Uh, the, uh, the comic is more like kind of Boba Fett and all that. Yeah.

[00:14:21] There's a lot of Boba Fett. Absolutely. No, no, that's a good point. There, the book is about, it's like you had to read them all or play them all to, to understand everything. But there was so much crossover. Yeah. Right. That like, that was annoying. It's like, okay, like 30 or 30% of this might be new, but the other 70, I know already. If you want the whole thing, collect them all. But if you want just one, you'll still be content. But yeah, that's true. Like Boba Fett was just mentioned here and there.

[00:14:50] While the book, you get a little more detail into Leah and Lando's plan and some usual camaraderie between the droids and Chewie sneaking in. And it's really the micro machines that bring the entire universe together. If you don't have the micro machine, you won't understand any of them. The micro machines. And for those who don't know, please look them up. Come on. Uh, it really was one of the elements of the multimedia thing.

[00:15:16] I mean, the game, that was the hardest level kicking the shit out of that giant droid. That's like a giant Rancor sized Godzilla droid that attacks you. And, but the fun thing about the game, especially if you've activated cheat codes, which I totally recommend with any Star Wars game, because it's just funny. It is just, you would, you got, I'm not kidding. You would launch a bomb that would wipe out any enemy through walls.

[00:15:42] And I would use it on all the wampas as I was escaping echo base on the hot plant. They were comically tanky. They were very tanky. They'd be swiping at you and be like, how would I die? The sand wampas. 45 seconds. It's those were the sand wampas that were genetically engineered. That's basically it. Yeah. And let's have good milk or something. I don't know. Must have good milk. Yeah. Speaking of that giant, that giant robot.

[00:16:11] The worst thing about that, there's a green guy with a flute playing as. I think. I think. I could reference your super sentai depending upon your, your, your flavor. Oh my God. The, the guys from, or the guy from a star Wars explained does a play through of it and talks a lot about how the timeline works, you know, as far as, or doesn't work, I should say, as far as coming together where he's like, okay, so in the comic, it's like, okay, we're going to meet you there.

[00:16:41] And then you go off in the video game, have this huge adventure. And it's like, yeah. So I guess those guys just also took a break for a couple months. I think they did. We got to go rescue Leia in a few days, maybe next year. Right. There's not the same level of urgency. And I mean, I get it. You know, you want each thing to stand out, but you do kind of have to make your own. Like you say, it's kind of like comparing all these directors cuts in the past we've done is like, make up your own master cut in your head.

[00:17:10] Somehow dash had time to evacuate and to save the other rebels and go along with the fleet and meet up with Leia and, you know, uh, Lando before, you know, and it's after empire. So somehow they had all this time just, you know, before they're doing their undercover up and trying to, you know, follow him, uh, Boba to Jabba's palace. It's like, man, you guys are busy. When do you sleep? Never. Oh, Hans.

[00:17:39] I see you're having a drink and I looked it up though. What's offered from Zizor to Leia. He says something to drink princess Lorainian brandy green champagne. Those are the options. That's a classic sci-fi trope, by the way. It's like, take something, you know, but then add a little thing. Is there green color to it? Yeah. That's the blue milk. It's the blue milk. And by the way, rub some dirt on it. Sorry. Good. Yeah.

[00:18:06] But the only way that you can even make that even better would be if you had, um, just for walking, playing the continental. There you go. I'm sure you can touch on them branders. Green champagne. Yes. Some champagne. And it's doing it like his potatoes. Potatoes. I mean, unless you want him to do it like his failed Star Wars audition. I. Yeah. They do that.

[00:18:35] Star Trek is notorious for that, too, because they'll always be like, oh, it's my favorite composers. Beethoven Bach and Zor blocks the Magnificent. Yeah. And it's like, OK, I know it's the future. Yeah. You drop two things, you know, and a thing that's fucking nonsense. Hamlet and the original Klingon. I mean, seriously. Yes. Green champagne. Don't you just have fucking champagne? Why the fuck? Yeah. I always. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:19:03] If champagne exists, what are you doing? Why would you want a green? There's a champagne region. What is it? St. Patrick's Day all the time? What are you doing? St. Patrick. Oh, so there's the question. Does Patrick Stewart celebrate on St. Patrick's Day? There's a really bad Earth reference in the first comic, I think, where Wedge is flying and he says something like, that's why you always want to have a free safety in the backfield. And I'm like, that makes no fucking sense unless you go football. Football in there? What? I saw that. I was like, what the hell?

[00:19:32] And he helps them escape, right? With like an X-wing squadron, I think, at the very end. I assume they have football like football is in Starship Troopers. That's their football. Oh, yeah, yeah. Space football. Yeah. It's green football. It's totally. Yeah, it's green football. You wouldn't understand. It's better than Pyramid. Yeah, that's true. Like in Star Galactica. What the hell? Oh, yeah. It's just a stupid version of basketball. Yeah. That wasn't Pyramid. Pyramid was the card game.

[00:20:02] The other game was kind of like a combination of rugby and basketball. They were throwing balls into the hoops. I can't remember what it's called. Yeah, whatever that douchebag is. Start with a three-point stance or something? I don't know. Yeah. It's nonsense. Pyramid. It's like wrestling. I would like to learn how to play that game. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's like Sabacc. Oh, yeah. Sabacc. Yeah. Where you get to play that in the various games. Yeah. Sabacc.

[00:20:30] Isn't he a Spock's cousin? Oh, I see what you're thinking. Yeah. What does God need for the starship? Yeah, there's a really fun one. And there's a modern video game. I mean, it's like a short little indie game called Times in Galaxy that does a lot of humorous stuff and he plays a journalist, but they have a game in there and I think it's just called Ball. And anytime someone's talking about it, it's just a mix of all the different sports.

[00:20:57] He's like, yeah, after he skated down the rink for 100 yards, he got a touchdown, three points. And they won. That's the way to do it. Yeah. You can't just sort of do one. Just mesh them all together. And that's kids is how we got rollerball. Now, those of you that have read the comic, if you don't mind, this is the thing that I've often wondered about. And I, there's a bunch of swoop bike riders.

[00:21:27] Everyone's favorite thing from Star Wars. And they're led by a guy named big G I Z Z. And since it's never said, because I think there is a swoop bike level, right? But I don't think that you ever hear it out loud. So I have to assume it's jizz. It looks like it is, but there was so many references. That's the name of the music in Star Wars. Yeah. The music is spelled J I Z Z. It's jizz music. It's not jazz. It's jizz. Yeah. Get a load of this guy.

[00:21:57] Yeah. But it's like, it's G I. So it could be like giant. It could be like that sort of pronunciation. And that's just a space name. He's jizz, big jizz. And he's always like coming after you. And there's like the way that you guys writing it. I was like, I know he knows this is what's up. Yeah. Oh yeah. I think we, I think we should take a moment to step back and think about Star Wars in the nineties. Obviously I was a child growing up because I was born in 88.

[00:22:25] So I, I, I, I was born after the fact of return of the Jedi, but you have this dead, you have this dead period in the nineties and then you have George Louis. Dark times. Yeah. It commissions this, this shaz the empire. It's everything, but an actual film. And I think without the movie. Yeah. And I think they build it as just before, I think it's like just before that came out. I think I started like people started, Hey, would you like to watch star Wars? And I didn't know what that was.

[00:22:52] I only knew if like a little bit of star check is obviously like I knew people that watch the next generation. So I watched star Wars. I go, cool. And all another three, the original trilogy. Great. Right. And then shaz the empire comes out and I like, I just accept it. Like, Oh yeah. Other stories could just take place and it doesn't have to include the main characters. And, and then like, yeah, I go older. You play like, yeah, you played the Kyle Katarn games. Um, you go, you start playing all those forces for some lease, all that. And yeah.

[00:23:19] And you start to kind of like, you're like, okay with like hearing other stories that are not based on like some kind of main Jedi cannon. And then, you know, you play rogue squadron. And what's so funny is that, you know, when Disney gets, when Disney finally gets the, the, the rights to make more star Wars and they, they're so hard on about trying to continue that Skywalker line. They kind of shoot themselves in the foot because they kind of like, they narrow the focus. So pinpoint.

[00:23:48] And, and then they, they go to the, then they have to get desperate. Like, Oh my God, people are kind of like fading off. We let's do a, you know, let's, let's go to do the Mandalorian show. And then we're all like, okay, great. Like it's a plot line. That's not really tied to anyone. It's about, and, and then they get, you know, they do, Oh, we'll do the Boba Fett show. And we're like, okay, cool. We all been wanting some more Boba Fett for years. And tomorrow Morrison's going to reprise. Great. And what's so funny is when you, by the time we get to the Boba Fett show, you start seeing that focus narrow. They don't want to like go anywhere with it.

[00:24:18] They don't want like Boba Fett walks the same block, takes his helmet off. Yes. You know who I am. No, you look like a store, a clone trooper. I don't know. Well, everything's five years after return of the Jedi. It's like, this works. So we're just going to, and they don't want to leave that zone. They don't want to leave the core planets. And I was so surprised. Cause I thought in my head right here, the Boba Fett. Oh, Oh, he kills. He kills. Um, uh, what is it? Um, the twilight guy that runs, what's his name? Biz B. Fortuna. Oh, wow.

[00:24:47] He took out bid for tuna. I guess. Fortuna out in a, in a post credit scene. Yeah. And I was, it was so weird that watching the Boba Fett show and you kind of like go through those motions again. And he's out there with, with, with the, uh, with the sand people and, and, and, and he's also a crime Lord. That is not a crime Lord. No, that's a good point too. Cause I kind of like how Boba Fett's kind of trying to fit into this bizarre world.

[00:25:15] I always kind of get from Prince size are he's the cool kid on the block, but only in his mind. He's not as big just cause he's hanging out with Palpatine. He thinks he's big, but he's really not. He's not, even though the Hutts are cautious about him, he's not fearful of them. It is weird that when the hut is taken out and that bid for tuna is taken out, they, they, they, they have that syndicate, that other alien race that doesn't really, they're not really imposed. They don't really do anything.

[00:25:45] And I'm very surprised that they've never tried to bring in black sun and try to kind of like, let's bring a new villain in and the, and the, with a power vacuum at the hut. I mean, they kind of have like at the end of solo all is the head of black sun. Oh yeah. And honestly, sorry, I did forget that. Um, but also that also is prequel. So you're kind of like, all right, then what happened to the black sun? You're kind of like, well, yeah, we never actually know what happens with that.

[00:26:12] I thought we get malls, we get malls and in rebels, right? We don't really know how he goes from the leader of this giant crime syndicate. There's a bit of that. They they've expanded some of the bounty hunters who are at the pod race, like, or they haven't explained the mall thing though. Like how did he get from here to there? Yeah. I thought they, I thought he was a clone, right? Or mall. No, when no mall, so mall, the new one in rebels, right?

[00:26:40] Or yeah, I'm trying to remember if it was in, that's not a new mall. That is cause he's, it's cut in half. That's mall with robot legs. Yeah. He's spider legs. Yeah. He gets some spider legs. And then, um, how else do you want mall back? But yeah, Cliff shared a funny photo here. He's, he's, he's great in rebels. I, I, I, you don't know how he gets there. That, that, cause he just shows up on some Sith planet. Like he's just there.

[00:27:06] That fight at the end, uh, his death is my, one of my favorite scenes in all Star Wars. It's so good. It's so good. It's a great fight. Yeah. What I think. It's nothing. It's like two moves, but it's, it's like a samurai. Fucking good. Yeah. He tries to use the same move. Yeah. Qui-Gon. Yeah. And Obi-Wan knows that. He's Matt. Obi-Wan's. That's it. Uh, you know. So good. It's a great scene, but I think it's also just one of those, aside from the

[00:27:35] samurai homage, it's just a way of just showing if Maul doesn't kill him, gravity will kill him. And so he just knows how to circle around at the right time. But yeah. Cliff shows Obi-Wan at cause it's like, we've seen a lot of sort of hyperkinetic fights and you know, there's different ways of sort of being a lightsaber user. And you know, it's like, Hey, he's learned just ultimate like patience and mind game skill. He's just like ultimate power at that point. Like he doesn't need to have this protracted engagement.

[00:28:05] Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. It's over. Plus, I have this mission to protect the chosen one. So yeah. And plus it's a, it's a throwback to the original star Wars because there's a connection to the, to the, like sort of one of the grounding principles of it, which was the seven samurai. Yes. Yeah. Because if you're just flipping around and that took 20 minutes, it'd be like, what the hell is that Vader fight? You defend. Like what are we doing? The trade federation is basically the death star, the giant one.

[00:28:35] What I'm trying to get at though, is, is we've obviously now modern star Wars is starting to go back and they're starting to pull stuff from the prequels because that's what 20 and 30 year old people were. That was the star Wars. They started growing up with him and, and they enjoyed. And we like pointing at the screen when they, you know, they bring back a car. I know this. I remember that. I don't consider shadows, the empire failure. It didn't really go a lot of places, but it definitely kept the, the torch alive for

[00:29:04] like 10 years. Oh, it was a massive success. What I was, it was a, it was a preface for, to see if they could do the prequels. So what I like, they were like, is this work? Yeah, it does. It was a prequel. Let's do these three movies. So then, yeah. Why is it that we like, why haven't, why hasn't started? Like cause Shazzy Empire story is legends. It can't work right now. We, we, we, we've set too many things up that we can't try to plug what actually happens in Shazzy Empire, but why not cannibalize parts, plots, characters?

[00:29:34] Like, well, they have, right. But not enough. Honest to God, not enough. Well, not enough because I mean, it's a money making machine. So they're not gonna canonize everything that already happened. Cause they can make money off of, you know, yeah. Rendar exists in the universe. Yeah. And the failing, you know, which started here, but Kathleen Kennedy is like, Kathleen Kennedy says, like her requests. And she said is recently as like 2023 that she's like, we're still working on a way to do it.

[00:30:03] I mean, she's been saying that forever, but still. So clearly there's interest there. Yeah. Parts of it do exist. Like currently in Canon. I just, I'm just like, but you know, when I was getting bored with later seasons of Mando and, and, and later episodes of Boba Fett. And I'm kind of like, this is where you could have plugged in. Just take an idea from Shazzy Empire. Shazzy Empire could have been one of the merchants. Well, they did have the, the swoop bike riders. Unfortunately, they were like, Oh, you know what? The thing that everyone hated. Let's put that in there. What kills me about that.

[00:30:33] It was that I thought that had juice that they didn't, they didn't squeeze. Cause if you just made you guys halfway, it was interesting, but I didn't like how they filmed it. It was a little shaky. Yeah. What killed me is that like, if you just said that these swoop bike rider kids were like, they, they were want to be a pod racers. Yeah. What, what, what, yeah. The I Z Z. But it's like, you made it.

[00:30:59] So it's like, Hey, we used to like, we were like, we're up and coming pod racers, but when the huts died, no one's funding the races anymore. So we're essentially just speed junkies. I think you could have, you could have won a lot of fans over with that. Cause it was like, that makes sense. Like what do you do? If you're a, if you're a guy who could, you could go real fast, but no one's paying you to do it. I don't know. Go to life of crime. I'll just customize my bike and like, just see, you know, become a gang member. Yeah.

[00:31:25] I mean, it's like the modders kind of thing of like American graffiti and all that. Like they're trying to do an homage, but what you're saying is actually far more interesting. There's just, there's a lot of meat that could have been on the bone that they just did not want to put there. Exactly. But they gave us three movies, but they gave us three movies of Jar Jar. That's a, that's a crime. Well, really just besides Anakin. Yeah. Um, and plus he started the clone wars, man.

[00:31:55] Yeah. Hey, I got a question. Has Guri ever been canonized in any way? Cause that's like, she's, she's not even that much in Shaz the empire, but it's like the concept of a, of a, of a, of a, uh, Android, uh, light replicant. Yeah. Yeah. As it gets. Yeah. Well, it's also very star Trek and they usually try not to look like they like to stay in their own lanes very deliberately. And I think that you're not going to see that's a data situation. No, that's true.

[00:32:22] Like you're, you're not going to have an absolute straight up robot. You're going to have one that's very dorky, but you're never going to see inside their mind. I mean, we'll go on kind of expanded a bit on the robot, but that was it. You know, like most part, they're often just droids as opposed to a straight up cyborg kind. Yeah. Darth Vader is really more machine than man. So. I mean, he's a man. He's a machine puppet. It's a meat puppet. A meat puppet later.

[00:32:51] A meat puppet turned machine puppet. Yeah. I guess, I guess I'm just saying is that like, I don't know, they keep talking about what they're going to do after Rise of Skywalker, where they're going to go with it. They keep saying a Ray show making the town. They should have just cloned the emperor instead of do the whole, well, gee, I don't know how we got here, but we brought him back. Yeah. Somehow. That'd be a boring series right there. Yeah. Oh God, but I wouldn't put them past them. I know. They'll do anything now. They'll do anything now. I think, I think they lack creativity really.

[00:33:20] I gotta tell you, I'm not even all caught up on skeleton crew and I feel weird. Skeleton crew is good. Because it used to be, I didn't miss anything Star Wars related. Skeleton crew is good, man. I liked the first three episodes cause they dropped what? First two or first three at once. And then I started traveling and I was overseas and I just haven't got caught back up. But that seems like, wow. I was like, I, that's the best thing. It's usually on it on opening, you know, like. Best thing they've done since Andor. Like. Yeah. Going, going back to the emperor part.

[00:33:49] They could, if they really wanted to go deep into the, into the expanded universe, they could just go back to what they did with dark empire. I agree. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they can't now, but like, yeah, they probably should have done something like that. Take some of those ideas, use some of that technology. And I mean, there's a lot of people who only got into Star Wars because of the expanded universe. You might as well. Yeah. I mean, the Acolyte wasn't. That's why they canonized Thrawn because that like brought it back to life. That brought it back. Yeah.

[00:34:19] We need to get Jack's or whatever that robot or the rabbit. The rabbit. Yes. Yeah. The rabbit pilot back just to annoy Lucas. Cause I think that was like his least favorite character. There you go. Then he hated, he hated Mara Jade. That might actually work because that might actually work because Disney owned as a stake in Marvel. And that's where that giant, giant rabbit came from. That's right.

[00:34:47] You want it to look like a rabbit or like the one from Song of the South? I want it to be that exact rabbit from, I want it to look like that. We're going to, and I want the horse back as well. The horse. The horse Jedi. The horse Jedi. My, my. Bojack. My horse. My horse. My carriage for a horse. Um, so I got to say though, the robot, uh, the, the rabbit looks suspiciously like Captain Carrot. Uh huh. Yeah.

[00:35:17] So maybe that's why Lucas. I think there's only so many ways you can draw a rabbit. It's just, I think the artists do how to draw a rabbit. He's like, just merge with Warner brothers and have Bugs Bunny in space. You know, one thing though, Shadows of the Empire. Uh, and I, I think. And I, I mean, it's been a while since I've read the other comics that would have preceded this in Marvel, but I think this is the first time we see the giant hologram that we later see in this, in this sequels. Cause. Yeah.

[00:35:47] He's talking to Vader. He's like a whole room. Graham. The way Snoke was. And they had never done that before, which makes sense. Like if you're, why wouldn't you do that? And I was like, Oh, was it? Yeah. We see it in the empire. I can't. And I think that isn't a special edition thing. It's there. It was in the beginning. It's a different actor in their original. Uh, I just mean the fact that they did a giant hologram, you know, I mean, it's a giant head. Yeah. That's true. But yeah.

[00:36:15] In the car, in this comic and, uh, Shadows of the Empire comic. And I think it's fairly early on when Emperor's talking to Vader. He's just like huge. And it's like leaning down. Yeah, no, that's true. Just your clown. Vader. It's a dramatic arc, but it also, we have the, we have the, we have the antithesis of that when veers is in his AT-AT and he sees a tiny little Vader. The Emperor probably made him do that. He's like, Hey, I got you a hologram projector. And he's like, Oh my yours.

[00:36:45] He's like, kind of like mine. To answer your question. Uh, I mean, well, why else do you think those admirals stuck around so long? That's ego stroking at that point. See, here's the little guy. You could be him next line. He puts like a Snapchat filter on it. So Vader's got like googly eyes. Yeah. Like someone's drawn a poop emoji for the helmet. Poop emoji. And yeah, Vader's like, Oh, but I'm never accepting another gift from the damn emperor. Right. Oh, by the way about that promotion.

[00:37:16] Honestly, do we have any clue what this Mandalorian Grogu movie is going to be about? Like they kind of wrap up. It's basically a wrap up. About two hours. But they, yeah. But that's the thing is like they wrapped it up. Like they literally had a cabin that they were chilling at. And already season three was like mostly just him helping other characters complete quests. Yeah. I think it's going to be like thrown and bringing like a soca and all that into it. I hope so. It'll bring Bobo along, but I think he's also going to, yeah, just,

[00:37:45] just his final arc until the NPC Lorien. Well, they're doing, I think it's going to be like an heir to the empire. Like not, you know, they should bring that guy back, but well, they've, they've set it up. Like we all are obviously know he doesn't succeed, but setting it up. We also, we had the Ray Winston, was it Ray Winston character? They just say sadly is not with us anymore. Oh, fucking. Oh yeah.

[00:38:14] You don't know what he was doing. He was going somewhere. Yeah. He was going for Avaloth. If you're not going to show him. He was going for Avaloth. That's what he was doing. Then you got to either have him be a mechanical robot or you got to show a body and show the other spoiled. They have to recast. Like, cause they, they clearly had an idea for what was going on. They have an idea, but you can't recast. It's Stevenson. You can. You can. You can, but why? I'm sorry. He's not Chadwick Boseman. You can recast.

[00:38:41] I, I, I, I'm on the fence that either cast or have some kind of influence. The, the blonde, uh, uh, Padawan lady. That's what I'm saying. The Sith Padawan. Shin Hati. Shin Hati. Shin Hati. It sounds like you're telling me a Thai language. Shin Hati. Yeah. So. Yeah. I think she needs to have killed him behind the scenes. We see a corpse. She comes in. She's gathered all his powers. Cause it is kind of like Highlander where you get all.

[00:39:10] He like approached like essentially the Mortis gods from a clone wars. Like that was, I feel like we're being edged with the whole Mortis thing for like, what it feels like decades now. I always took the Mortis thing kind of like the, uh, just if I can for a minute, council, uh, in the chambers. Um, I always took that kind of like when Palpatine tells the dark plague is half truth, you know,

[00:39:33] to Anakin, like he Sith will elaborate anything until they're caught naked, you know, and they will, you know, fight back. So I wouldn't be surprised if he was doing his usual assist typical measure of twisting the truth a bit. I mean, if they want to have Fran has killed both these guys, I'd be cool with that as well. Like he was just waiting for the right chance to strike. They had Matt Smith play somebody in the later star, uh, star Wars movies that they've been pulled.

[00:40:02] So he was filmed and he was playing somebody. And some people do believe he could have been playing somebody related to the whole Mortis. All right. So is a doctor Mortis stuff is like, is that who happened? Is a who be in the same thing as a Jedi or is he more like Q on star Jack? Doctor who Matt Smith. Oh, come on, man. No from Morbius. Oh, wow.

[00:40:28] Now who, who would they get to play Dash Rendar if they were to do a live action? Kiefer Sutherland. Kiefer Sutherland. 15 years ago. 15 years ago. I would have told you. Yeah, 20 years ago, maybe. Yeah. Previously on. Yeah. Previously on. Someone did it. We could get Kurt Russell from his like snake Plissken days. Oh, that's the vibe I get. That hair. I would go with Kurt Russell now, actually. I don't know what they'd actually do right now is Tom Holland.

[00:40:58] I'm not saying that's a good idea. Yeah, that's what they do. It would be Timothee Chalamet because they're just like, oh, yeah. We just go with whoever's number one. I'd rather have Wyatt Russell because I feel like his US agent isn't really going anywhere after Thunderbolts. Oh. So it's like they still got him on contract. So it's like, okay, you're done with USC. Yeah, Wyatt. You know, Wyatt could work. I don't think Sebastian Shaw could. That's what I was thinking.

[00:41:27] You could have, yeah, Thunderbolts. Yeah. Or you could do like Denzel Washington just to piss off the Internet. There you go. It's got black and it's like it's a fictional character if you freak. Are you a Jedi or are you a sheep? Oh, maybe they can get Morgan Freeman. Oh, yeah. There you go. I did actually make a random poster one time making it look like Patrick Stewart and Morgan were Jedi and Sith guys fighting. Oh, I'm sorry. That dude knows how to wear a cape.

[00:42:00] I did see that someone said that the events of Zardoz take place on January 1st, 2025. Oh, wow. That could be a crossover. You know, we're pretty close. Oh. My sister has actually named her car Zardoz. So, I mean, that... There you go. Star Wars. Battlefield Earth. Yeah, there's the crossover. Forrest Whitaker. And me with not my booty shorts and my suspenders. There you go. Booty shorts.

[00:42:30] I was wondering why you didn't have your video on. Oh. That's for his OnlyFans. You're not supposed to see that. Exactly. You gotta pay extra for that content. That's right. Yeah. It's multitasking. It's multitasking. Whoa. Well, there's people that have often told me that I have a face for radio, so... You never do a job for free. I'd do it for free. I do want them to bring back Oliphant's Sheriff. Yeah. He's clearly alive.

[00:43:00] Yeah, yeah. They left him there so they can bring him back. I mean, that would be great. They stuck him in the back to take him memories. Like, he's fine. But, like, it'd be cool if they actually kill him off for good and he's like, I was meant to, you know, always protect you. They won't, though. No. They'll bring him back if they can afford him later. That didn't happen just to be like, you're dead. If they can afford him. No, that's a good point. I love that... I don't know, because I don't think I've ever seen him any... Oh, no, I've seen him a couple of things. But I love he's so typecast, but I'm here for it.

[00:43:27] When you see him, you're like, he's gonna be a badass sheriff type guy. Yep. That's what he is. That's just who he wants. He does best. Think about it. Oliphant's a badass. He just is. He just is, yeah. So, if you want to expand on someone and have them actually just be a badass, like properly use them, I'm okay with that. Like, Danny Trejo was the Rancor Keeper. Actually give him a name and have him have an actual Jedi, like sword or some shit. Or he's... Or a Mercedes. It's very simple.

[00:43:57] You want Danny Trejo to be a Jedi? Please. No, he'd be a Sith. With a light machine. Okay, he can be a Sith. He's a bounty hunter. It's the third most common job in the universe. That's why I was saying the General Grievous thing. He'd be a Lobo of Star Wars. Yeah, yeah. Didn't they introduce that though? And I fucking hate Lobo. At the end? Yeah, because he fights in space. Yeah. He's got light machetes. He's so awesome. Might as well build on that. But like, what I'm getting at is like, they can make him be like General Grievous where

[00:44:26] he just kills Jedi and then takes their sabers and fucks around with them. The first Star Wars horror film, I think. Ooh. Ah. David Iyer wanted to do that years ago. He wanted to do one where... There's some legends. There's some legends stuff. Like zombie type. Or maybe a crossover with aliens. I can't remember the name of it. Aliens would be great. They could do zombie stormtroopers. Whatever it is, Con Solo and Chewbacca show up in the zombie Star Wars.

[00:44:56] I guess Rise of Skywalker is pretty horrifying. Oh! Yeah. What's that? Suck it, nerds! Suck it, nerds! Suck it, nerds! That was the best word! Is that a George Lucas? I don't think Disney's ever going to do this and I think it's too late for them. They should have done it, but I really think they should have, rather than having a lot of these different shows that have eight or nine episodes and we all kind of go, oh, episode this was good, episode that was good, but it overstays welcome.

[00:45:25] I really wish they kind of would just see like, this is the Star Wars show and they just got like different directors and writers to do different things. So like the wild it's on that. And kind of get like a mixed bag every week. Like some sort of holiday special. Oh! I'm serious! I'm liking this! After that Lego holiday special. That's what I'm saying! Like there's certain ideas that we can cannibalize for good reasons. Yeah.

[00:45:50] And maybe one of them, one of those episodes is a 30 minute animated movie and you could have some of the actors do voices. You don't have to worry about putting them in like old age or young age makeup. I got it. Pixar presents. Right. I'm just, I'm just saying it's just like, Star Wars, Toy Story edition. Yeah. I just like, you know, rather than just, you know, us going like, wasn't that cool when that happened? That happens. Like there are, I feel like. It'd be a different timeline each week. Kind of like the outer limits. Yeah.

[00:46:16] When I came into Star Wars as a kid, you know, I didn't have any like prejudices of like what I wanted or this and that. This is what Star Wars is. This is what it isn't. I was open to a lot of ideas and it sucks that those, those toxic people online when the new movies came out that were just like, no, no, no. And then you, you beat them into a pulp where they, they only, they now, now all our IP franchises are narrow thin. It has to follow the same four main characters or we, you know, we, we start, everything's

[00:46:46] a backdoor pilot to another thing and they just test audience. Well, it sucks that, uh, like they, they weren't right. Those people like in what they thought, but they ended up being right because they had no fucking plan. Yeah. They accidentally got right. They're still not right. They suck there. Fuck them, but they can be like, Hey, we're right. Because this sucked. No. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:47:12] You buy something for billions of dollars and have no fucking plan. Yeah. No, no, no, that that's true too. I mean, outlining goes a long way. I always hate it when I hear a plan. I have a plan. It's not that hard. Yeah. Just do it. If I spent billions of dollars on something, you're goddamn right. I'd have a plan. I mean, at least know how it begins. It ends filling the blank. But it makes those assholes like be like, Hey, we have some legitimacy. No, that's why I think they need to change the leadership. You're still terrible.

[00:47:42] Right. Yeah. I, I, you just got to flush out more of the Nazi fans, but also like the, the leadership, like giving a hell of a, what a statement that is. Have you been on the forum? You just got to flush out the Nazi fans. Did you like rise of Skywalker? Take out the lead change of leadership. You're out. No, no, no. Have you seen birth of a nation? I am really offended at what you have just said. Jesus Christ. I am offended at what I would just say. But no, I just mean just the ones who were getting all sexist racist about characters.

[00:48:11] It's like, that's not why they suck. Of course. Because they're not well written. My God. But yeah. No, there's no content. There's no, there's no through line. Right. Yeah. It's three films that were made. Absolutely. They're showing their double standards. They're completely independent of one another and they make no sense together. Yeah. But that's why though they reacted because Rian Johnson was supposed to have the back two and it did. They were like, wait a second. Korean women. No, we're out of here. Right. This fantasy universe has gotten way out of control. He also just made a boring movie. Like he didn't make a good movie. Oh yeah.

[00:48:41] Maybe they could have gone, they could have gone. I'm not a, I'm not one of those douchebag, like rise of Skywalker. They screwed everything up. It wasn't a, it was a boring movie. I didn't know if it was. They separated characters that had chemistry. Like why would you separate Poe and Finn? Hey Ron. They had a crazy amount of chemistry. So let's split them off to do nothing. Right. Hey Ron. That's bad movie. That's bad filmmaking.

[00:49:08] I was just thinking they could have gone the Dune direction, right? And they could have had, okay. So you have Vader is the chosen one and he just keeps getting killed off and then cloned and, and you know, has another adventure, gets killed off. That would be way more interesting then. Yeah. By the way. It's a bummer. And you could keep the same guy and the, throughout the entire franchise. Don't give Disney any ideas. They would love to do that. Well, believe me, it's a good idea. It's a good idea. Therefore, Disney will not adopt it. Yeah. That is true. There you go.

[00:49:38] So. The guy's sacrifice. They cast it. No reason. Yeah. The actors are. Timothy Chalmine. Yep. There you go. There you go. He could be a good. I was actually thinking, Aaron, when you first said Dune, I thought you meant the John Lynch. Like what if they went art house with the Star Wars? Oh, right. There you go. We'll have one wild one where it's like, oh, okay. Use that Star Wars language, but go nuts with some art. There you go. Have you? 24.

[00:50:06] Snoke is floating in like a big tank of, of like spice. There you go. They have spice, right? Same thing. Spice and everything nice. It kind of does the same thing. Because Lucas stole. Yeah. Green champagne. I really did. Green champagne. With a goblet floating around in a big vat of spice. Oh my God. I'm now realizing that the drink is Uranian brandy. Does that mean it's from Uranus? Uranus. Ooh. No, it can't be cause it'd have to be brown.

[00:50:36] Oh. How do you know? Oh no. What am I drinking? Well, I'm looking in love. You said Coca-Cola. I love it. Going back to the idea of the plan, there was one. There literally wasn't. I know. It got spaced out. When Lucas, when Star Wars really took off, Lucas was really a micromanager when it came to

[00:51:06] stuff with the canon. Can I take your idea, please? I mean, yes and no. I mean... Yeah, but for a long time, he had to have the final say on what became canon, what did not. And there were certain things you just could not write about or talk about. The only things he said you couldn't write about was the Clone Wars. He let everything else just fucking go. All the EU legends, all that, he just said whatever. He didn't read it.

[00:51:35] There's no way he looked at it. Yeah. I think when he started to kind of take his hands off the reins was when the prequels came out. That was... Well, it was... Honestly, it was Shadows of the Empire. He saw, oh, there's some more I can milk from this. Right. This works. Well, this talk about having a plan. This was extremely planned. This was... Yeah. It was... Multimedia Blitz. It was to see if the prequels would work. Right.

[00:52:05] It was everything. We'll throw you everything except for a movie. And if we make money off this, yeah, we're gonna make fucking money off of a movie. Yeah. And if they had any questions about... This was a trial. It was a trial. If they had any questions about the staying power of Star Wars, it could have just looked at the early 90s. You had... For the Super Nintendo, you had three Star Wars... Super Star Wars games. You had... Yeah. People were hungry for it.

[00:52:38] Well, that... Clearly, you all wanted more Star Wars. Make more Star Wars, man. But that's the other thing, too. I mean, everyone assumes you're a businessman and you know what you're doing. It's like... People luck out. That doesn't mean they... Again, that they knew how... Had an exit strategy. They probably didn't. I'm also in the camp of thinking he's not a genius. I think his ex-wife... He called lightning in a bottle. His ex-wife saved that first movie. She really did. And guess what? He didn't direct that other two. Right?

[00:53:07] And Kirshner directed the second one. And Kirshner's amazing. He directed Robocop 2 who I fucking love. I love Kirshner. Yeah, Kirshner's amazing. Love Kirshner. Yeah. And then he took a bland director who basically he bossed around the whole time and did all the reshoots. He made him... Yeah, he had some German guy to come in that he could tell what to do. And then he had Roger Christian be his second new director on that and Phantom Menace. So it's like, geez, so... After he did the art designs on the original. And Christian's the same way. And also all of his ideas

[00:53:37] are derivative. But whatever. I still love Star Wars. Fuck it. Oh, no. Isn't it... Have you guys... I'm saying... Have you guys ever met people... He just... He didn't have an original idea. He didn't really do anything. He made a shit movie that his ex-wife saved in the edit. Right. THX 1138's pretty good. Even though that's obviously... Yeah. That's some very... The original, not like the actual... I mean, that's what was cool about Andor is when they were in that prison, I'm like, that is a total THX tribute. Andor's awesome.

[00:54:07] Andor is so fucking good. Andor starts in a whorehouse. Yeah. That's insane. I have a lot of fun with it. It's fucking insane. I'm not crazy about the main actor, but it's a very cool story. It's so good. Yeah. It's so good. And that... I mean, that's what they should be doing is like, hey, let's get talented people to tell a story in this sandbox of a universe that's super interesting that people love.

[00:54:36] Let's make shit around it. I will say, and it's funny because the Star Wars Minute guys, they were saying that it's wild to think the Star Wars show that didn't have a lightsaber until the very last part of the episode. But I was like, but that was actually my biggest complaint about Andor, even though I know that's what we're talking about here, is that there was such a lack of aliens in the damn thing that you were like, am I even watching Star Wars? I'm just watching a good show. Yeah, but that's why I didn't care. Because I was like, this is good. For some reason

[00:55:05] to play some Star Wars universe, I guess. This is really fucking good. Yeah. I've never cared about lightsabers. I don't give a shit about lightsabers. No, they meant that positively. You know what my favorite character was from the first movie? Wedge. Like, I don't give a fuck about lightsabers. Who would have guessed he'd be the uncle of freaking Obi-Wan actor Ian McGregor? I would have never guessed a million years. I love that connection of he's like, don't do it, Ewan. Don't do it, it'll ruin your career.

[00:55:35] Also like that there's like three different Wedge Antilles because it's like two different body actors and one other person. in the first movie. Yeah, it's like some dude that's weird looking and smooth. And who would have guessed that half the deleted scene characters would still be canonized? You know, like Big Star Glider is barely in the first movie and then he's blown up and you're like, why does Luke care about him? Oh, that's right. They hung out. Things got shafted. That's like one of the few things of the special edition that I love.

[00:56:04] It's like those extra scenes you see. Those are so good. Like how the fuck were those not included? Yeah. Because then you give a shit about him. Absolutely, right? Yeah. I'll tell you why. It's because the actor who played Porkins, his agent was really good. Well, he was supposed to be a pig man, by the way. That's right. A pork man. Yeah. He was supposed to have like prosthetics and be a pig man.

[00:56:34] He totally was. And Porkins. George Lucas famous for his naming conventions. Like, you always hear stories like he had the name long before he wrote the character. It's like, yeah, I can see that, buddy. I mean, the fact that Chewbacca was like a weird lizard type creature or some shit like that. Dash Rendar was supposed to be like a scrubby like lizard type like piece of shit. Nothing. And then they were like, now let's just make him on solo. That's where you get

[00:57:04] Zuckus. Solo with shoulder pads. And you get the explanation of how Leia got Bush's armor. Ah, yeah. So, any listeners, I'm just curious because I don't know if I can actually try and remember or try and piece together the timeline, which I know, as we've mentioned before, doesn't work. but it basically takes place in between Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi

[00:57:33] and it involves until now, there's no canon between there. Yeah. That's what we're talking about here. Yeah. The major story is, I guess because they really couldn't do anything that really mattered. None of it really matters. A lot of it is kind of in the modern Disney mold of just explaining how things Can we just get Beyond Thunderdome? In the background? And lots of rehashed plot devices like, oh, hiding in the fleet like next to them. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:58:02] Yeah, and oh, the Rebels got the Death Star plans again. Yeah. Kyle Katarn got the Death Star plans, by the way. Yeah. The Darth Forces one. He ran into, in the first level, he ran into this stupid 3D model that wasn't a 3D model and he got them. In the comic, they also said convoluted. It's like, they're like, 20 Bothans died and it's a big deal and I'm like, that just seems like you don't really understand the stakes of war. It's like,

[00:58:32] what about those 20 Bothans? I was like, I'm sorry, Bothans is really rare. Why are we so upset about them? But they had to like rehash that whole line from Mon Mothma and, you know, and return it. Yeah, so, oh, let's reference that. Okay. It's like, they not only rewrote their own history, but then you're like, so who actually got the credit? Did someone get a career promotion? Well, it's constantly rewriting. Like, that's the whole thing. It's like, it's become its own entity. I think Kyle used a, he needs to use a Jedi mind trick and say, I deserve the credit, motherfucker.

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[01:00:02] or wherever fine podcasts are found. I know that a few other video game characters have been referenced making them canon. Mm-hmm. That's just technically canon. Even making it a solo that he's shit. Because that's not necessarily what he did. We see his ship in Han Solo. And also, Shizor is canon too. He shows up at the pod rates. Oh, is that how you say his name? I mean, that's how I say it. I don't know. Well, I'm sorry, in the video game, how do they say it? That's what I was going to ask you guys. I thought it was Zizor. Because I played the 1964.

[01:00:32] I always say Zizor. I've never heard it said. I'll go with Hans because that sounds more fancy. Well, we could make canon. He exists. If no one else has said it. Release the Zizor cut. He exists in the Phantom Menace. He's walking up the stairs at the pod rates. Okay, yeah. Oh, wow. And the Outrider shows up in... Yes, Han Solo. Oh, does it? It also shows up. I mean, it's a Coralian freighter just like the Millennium Falcon

[01:01:02] that shows up in Rebels. Oh, goddammit. Now, man, why did the Mandalorian now fly a Naboo? That doesn't make any sense for a bounty hunter. Goddammit, I forgot about that. I got mad again. No, no. Wait, what? He flew the Naboo one because that was what was in Space Strangers with Candies shop. Yeah, but I'm saying, like, as a bounty hunter, that's not a good ship to have. Yeah, Amy Sinaris. Sorry, I was like... But, like, it's not a good... That's what I'm saying. It's not a good ship to have as a bounty hunter. It's a one-seater.

[01:01:32] Yeah, it would be like... It's so impractical. It's like, I do construction for a living. What do you drive? A Porsche 911. What the fuck are you doing? It's a shame that, like, even funnier things... You should drive from Spaceballs. My job is to take people... From Spaceballs. My job is to get people from one place to another. There you go. Okay, so I have the world's smallest ship. It'd be interesting. A guy he was chasing had a souped-up Naboo Starfighter, and now the episode is the Mandalorian going,

[01:02:02] hmm, how do I catch it? That's, you know, like, how do I catch it to Naboo Starfighter? He goes ten times faster than mine. Hmm. And that would have been in an episode. Yeah. I always got the sense that he was relying too much on Grogu, the baby Yoda, to do the talking. You know? It's like, if I get outnumbered, can you just use the Force to make those ships roll up? he's the dumbest bounty hunter of all time. He's just invincible. Like, he eats every single shot. Like, he doesn't have any thought. Oh, I see.

[01:02:32] You're saying he's not, like, he's not necessarily dumb, because he does sort of... He's not cerebral. He's not tactical. He plods his way through. He's just like, I can eat every fucking thing you throw at me, because I'm invincible. Also, I have this little gremlin who can be whatever I need. It's not AT-inspired. It's totally Gizmo. Destroy you all. I will. I'm going to give him credit, because that's how I play video games, because I don't... I'm like, oh, there's a stealth section? Screw that. I'm coming in two guns. Yeah.

[01:03:03] Oh. I don't have the patience for this. This is not a knock on him. I love him. To everybody's point, I think he's more of a Judge Dredd type. Like, trouble finds him, and he just... Yeah, okay. To be fair, I think that's just part of the formulaic universe in which he resides in. He's definitely more stully than Boba, who got eaten by a fucking, you know, Sarlacc. I also love that Pedro Vasco has never, like, been on set for, like, two years. Right. Good for him. He's only in the scenes

[01:03:31] where he's looking towards the camera. That dude is getting bags all over the place. He's like, hey, here's my Marvel bag. Here's my Star Wars bag. Here's my HBO bag. Here's my cocaine bag. Yeah. Whoever... Get in that hall. Yeah, whoever is the, uh, like, does the body doubling for him definitely has, like, went to the, like, Tom Hardy of, like, I'm gonna cover my face and still do amazing acting. Because you don't... You can't tell. Basically. He was not in season three. He wasn't. Yeah. Right.

[01:04:01] Just doing the dubbing. Yep. And he was in, what, two episodes of the first two? Yeah, he was doing last of them. He was in more Boba Fett, I think. He really was. I think you're right. Yeah. Yeah. They filmed that on the side and he was like, I'm gonna be on a key plot arc so I need to be there. Which is fucked up. Like, I liked those scenes but it was also like, what are we doing? Like, this is not this shit. I took it as a side quest but I understand that it took its time a little too much. So, I mean. I enjoyed those episodes

[01:04:31] but, like, what are we doing? Like, that's not Boba Fett. Like, we have a Boba Fett show. I figured they just wanted to give him a moment in the sun instead of just, oh, the actor's back. The only good news I have right now is that Saber Interactive that recently did Space Marine 2 which was a pretty good hit. Yeah. They are apparently, they are working on the remake of Knights of the Old Republic. Oh, really? Is that who's doing it now? Yeah, that's apparently, that's the latest news

[01:05:00] I think as of late. Because that was supposed to be like something and then it wasn't. I like the Fallen Order games. I haven't played Star Wars Outlaws. I've heard mixed but I'm sure, I will play it, I'm sure. But I like the Jedi. Fallen Order games are cool. Fallen Order, or what are they both called? Jedi Survivor, I should get said. Survivor and Fallen Order. Yeah, yeah. The Jedi. Those are amazing. Those are good games. Is Arkelai before Knights and Fallen or after? And the actor who plays Cal Kest is like the actual actor.

[01:05:30] Yes, he's a good actor. He's the gay guy from I mean, he's going to show up. Shameless. Yeah, he's going to show up and like, he'll probably show up in the Mandalorian and Kroger. He probably will, but so, what was your question? Sorry, what was it? So, Acolyte is after Old Republic and Fallen Order or before? So, Acolyte is in the New Republic era. It's before the sequels after the original series. Fallen Order

[01:06:00] takes place before the original three. The original three? Oh, wow. It's like, immediately. The first one. He's not allowed. He was there when Order 66 went down. He was a Padawan. Yeah. And it's actually really fucking cool to see what happened to him and everything. Right. Fucking cool. Yeah, it's cool. He started like a shipbreaker. They even had Lassie from Strike doing some voiceovers. So, I mean, yeah. Calcestis is a great character.

[01:06:29] And I was trying to remember because we were talking about people who've been made canon and I can't remember because in the last, I remember it was Acolyte or one of them. They were running through a bunch of names and I was like, ooh, are they going to say his? Darth Plagueis is canon but did he appear in Old Republic? Plagueis is canon. Plagueis, as far as I know, has never made an appearance even in any of the cartoons. Oh, so there you go. No, he has a... He's definitely canon because he has his own book. Well, I guess I've never seen Yeah, but I think the Plagueis book I don't think

[01:06:59] the Plagueis book is actually canon. Oh, I think anything that's been... Right, right, right. It should be because the Plagueis book is... The Plagueis book should be because it's fucking incredible. Oh, go ahead. Hans, I'm going to use a force joke. Remember, he's mentioned in dialogue in Revenge of the Sith. Yes. Yeah, he's canon for that reason but I don't think the Plagueis novel is canon. Okay, okay, okay. I thought the world was that as long as it... It should be because that's the show

[01:07:28] Disney Plus should make is the Plagueis novel show. It's fucking awesome. It's awesome. Now, has anyone read since we are ostensibly talking about Shadows of the Empire? So I did the comics. I played a little bit of the game but I mostly know the comics and the Micro Machines stories, of course. Has anyone read the novelization? I swear I had because at that time I had read everything. At least I thought I had. But then when I was reading the synopsis I was like, wait a second, I don't think I've read this freaking thing. Or maybe it just

[01:07:58] washed from my memory Disney pressed a button and wiped it. Oh, yeah. Wow. Shadows of the Empire novel, yeah. That's what you're talking about. Yeah, I listened to the audiobook of it last summer. Oh, whoa. It's mostly Dash Rendar POV. The only hook of that is that... The Vader PODs or POVs are awesome. I mean, of course. I would bet. Because that's like the only time you get that. It's so good. Yeah, what you were joking about earlier, Cliff, was that like

[01:08:28] at the end when he blows up the sky hook, he does fake his death. So he doesn't get any heat from the Empire. And he like goes low level so the rebels don't contact him. So that's how he writes himself out of the plot. Him and Lebo like go and do that and he faked their own death. I'm looking it up now. It's funny too because they literally I'll find the page and send it in to the group because they literally said something like why don't you join us? And he's like no, no, no. I've got my own things to do and it's very vague and they're like that guy he's in a

[01:08:59] You'll love this. So Anthony held the Broadway guy. You've seen him in X-Men and the Hannibal Lecter movies Deep Rising and as the judge on Boston Legal. I love Deep Rising. Yep. Oh well, so remember the guy the asshole billionaire who orchestrated this whole robbery scheme and tried to play innocent. So he's the narrator apparently of Shadows of the Empire so that's wild. Of the audiobook that's really neat. Yes. So yeah and so

[01:09:29] I'm trying to figure out like I understand the basic plot and it really is just that I think the main motivating force is they're trying to this is them searching for a new base or just for funding and that's why they're dealing with Zizor, Shizor, Shizor. There's a lot of like we're trying to get Han Solo back. Yeah. That's like trying to stop this other like this other threat of the Black Sun

[01:09:58] could maybe be bigger than the Empire but basically it's clearly not. They're trying to it's a bit of that but it's also a bit of saboteur stuff they're trying to follow Boba's pursuit you know pursue him It's a lot of trying to get Han Solo back. Instead of just ambushing him as he's coming to you know Jabba's Palace they're just kind of just trying to Yeah like you know where he's going just go there man They're just trying to stay in the underworld with their disguise You know where he's going just go there And there's like yeah

[01:10:28] because there's this subplot of what was mentioned earlier that Shizor was actually secretly plotting against Vader which is had already been written that same plot line in the Thrawn books because the little creature that he kept with him that kept him immune from like the force or whatever Of all the creatures Yeah That was actually his bodyguard who killed him because he had killed his race Yes Oh my god And I'm like okay we know

[01:10:58] this You're just gonna recycle Timothy Zahn stuff I get it Timothy Zahn man that guy should be so fucking rich I don't know man He's not getting money from I don't know I saw him I met him at Comic Con He seems cool Not San Diego either Tampa Bay Comic Con and I was talking to him about you know Star Wars as you do and he was clearly like I've got a new book so I bought his new book and I was like yeah he signed it He didn't want to talk because I was like

[01:11:27] okay now can we talk stories I know you don't want to just be a member for this but I'm like but that tells me he's not obscenely wealthy because you don't do that circuit unless you have to No one wants to talk to sweaty nerds Like he's put so much fucking out there Kevin J. Anderson has made money but it's mainly from helping out the Herbert estate on Dune versus the Star Wars and X-Files tie-in books He's the one you go to if you're doing this sort of thing There's some other great female writers He just writes shit

[01:11:56] and he's like fine I did this I did this I did this whatever moving on You're right He was definitely my favorite from that era I loved his books It was the best Did you ever read I mean he brought everything back it was like oh I give a shit about Star Wars again Absolutely Did you guys He was one of the big ones that got it all in perspective and showed how he could make it stand on its own two feet I mean I think that was a precursor like the Thrawn trilogy was a precursor to Shadows of the Empire because it was like

[01:12:26] oh people give a shit again Okay let's try this other thing that's slightly more ramped up Okay that worked Let's do the prequels And they're good sci-fi writers to begin with They're more sci-fi than Star Wars ever dared to be So I mean did you guys ever follow Steve Perry Well yeah The beat singer of Journey Yeah I wish You ever seen Basketball That's a psycho I see what you did there Steve Perry

[01:12:55] No more journey psych outs Don't stop believing in the force But yeah Claudia Gray has written some good ones especially for Yeah she's done some good clone stuff Clone stuff Princess Leia stuff Other stuff involved in the Rebels Yeah I haven't read too many of the new ones Like I said I was really into it like up in the 90s I forget was it you Dave who said when you were born I was born in 77 about a month before the movie first movie came out So this has been Wow I saw Return of the Jedi

[01:13:26] actually in theaters and it was one of the first ones you remember and I remember they had a poster where he's got you know the lightsaber off but he's holding Leia and it's very much a Conan homage and I remember telling my dad like I want to go see that and he's like alright He was like and were you expecting something involving the Muppets Well no because remember I saw that one first as a kid Right but I figured you mistaken So I keep in mind as a six year old I wouldn't have known like understood that things were out of order or whatever

[01:13:56] Well no that's what I mean I just figured you would think it's a Disney thing because there's all these teddy bears Oh no I've ended at that time remember it's like you know someone described it once these Star Wars films especially the prequels as the most expensive independent films ever made because it was just him funding it They were cock blocking any person from joining The prequels more than anything because

[01:14:26] like he He He He funded the originals but he didn't he didn't have as big of a hand in it but he was everything he wrote them he directed everything in the prequels I mean to the detriment Absolutely I mean for better or worse There's actually a lot of really good stuff in it but man he fucking sucks at dialogue dude Yeah I mean anytime you can talk about trade disputes

[01:14:55] I'm all for it That gets people hooked Honestly This is the Wesleyan Star Wars edition It's just the fucking love story like have you ever met a woman like have you met a woman before have you ever talked to one I guess not I guess not because you're like Marshall Lucas divorced you who actually was the best editor of the fucking that's what made the original Star Wars so maybe yeah you have not met a woman Well

[01:15:25] and how ridiculous how he offered it to Ron Howard and then Ron was like I don't think I could do this and then he comes back in finally to do that He wanted Spielberg to do Jedi I can't touch it it was like no you know why he couldn't touch it it was because union shit because the union the sag or whatever was like hey you have like this the credits before the

[01:16:05] he god he needs more credit he has some good stuff he's got more than some good stuff he made the best Star Wars movie he did not make the best Robocop movie but he made the second best Robocop movie of the three one of the worst James Bond movies but I don't care I love Kershner and God rest his soul he is he's a star in my he's

[01:16:35] a fake one you know they would do like a minute of a different movie and they did what was it what was it which Bond one did he do never say never again never say never again so you never say never again minute like two guys on Dave was it you I

[01:17:05] one guy's doing an Irvin Kirshner impression and it's laugh out loud funny he I don't even know how he's like yeah it's amazing I highly recommend it if you want to get a good I ever

[01:17:35] he made Robocop 2 he made great sequels he made Empire like some of the best ever best incredible I mean and it's so funny how that's finally where Keston's dialogue is way better all the stuff on the force is way deeper than anyone else could go and in Empire like Kirshner just like I mean just the Han Solo like Carbonite scene he's like 50 fucking times

[01:18:05] with the dialogue that was written and it didn't work and he goes hey Harrison do whatever you want to do and he goes I know there you go there it is there it is the only dialogue that doesn't work in that for me is the I love that that's in world racism I thought

[01:18:35] it was just a stupid name I think sand people is the most racist term oh my god they're native tattoo eaters whose land you are on every time you're saying people I'm like is sand people been in 500 years I don't sand people is native tattoo that's fucking had filled and McCoy just don't have randy newman writing that theme song for the sand people

[01:19:11] now you want me to look up that mad tv randy newman scores star wars skit um um but it is wild too how you know sam jackson was able to get through all that sag after disputes and luca spulberg did direct the revisions of the Sith opening is like yeah so this is saving private ryan in space wait spielberg he directed the opening of revenge of the Sith but it was uncredited he just

[01:19:41] came in one day and he did i uh so in the chat i went ahead and put in the dash rendar uh him saying you know you guys are on your own and then his death scene which i also find extremely funny because not only these like dang he almost made it they immediately changed the subject they're like so i guess that's the other thing too also in legends lived by the way thanks for the vote of confidence spider legs spider legs

[01:20:11] at one point everybody gets spider legs if it's not the hologram that's the saying in the past you know in the future everyone gets 15 minutes of fame in the past spider legs but they're also lightsabers there you go it's either that or spider-man's a jedi i don't know but yeah i mean it is wild how the video game keeps them ambiguous the comic is ambiguous i mean we haven't talked about the video game but that opening but the book kind of is also

[01:20:41] i feel like i'm good focusing on the comics but yeah video game that opening scene where you're in a snow speeder it's amazing and you can wrap up the fucking at80 that's that was so incredible that broke my little like 13 year old mind without that you don't get the rogue squadron games you know it was so good they also did it in another nintendo 64 i think remember those impossibly hard maybe they're super they were super nintendo 64 i think you're right

[01:21:10] super nintendo impossibly hard star wars games but yeah it was like that was like the you couldn't like wrap it around though like it just would not do it unless that was like the mode 7 bullshit like yeah yeah it was very much we thought racing we thought action games that had a racing level were hard is like this is really hard get your brother to help you out on this yeah i think star wars explains said every single star wars game has had a hoth uh

[01:21:40] i mean oh they're all trying to recapture that right shadows of the empire because that that first level is fucking incredible the rest of the game is kind of whatever right it's just beat up a giant monster or it's robots and 64 schlock whatever it's fine with star wars music over the top so it feels better but that first level was incredible like you're

[01:22:10] flying around you're wrapping up AT-ATs you're shooting AT-STs you're fucking up probe droids it doesn't matter like you're all you can fly through their goddamn legs right you can go underneath it without blowing up your speed that was crazy that broke my brain you could shoot at the actual head of the AT AT-AT you know you could do anything it felt like anything was possible like it wasn't but is that where we stand on that cam you're an AT-AT person

[01:22:39] I'm an AT-AT person I know that some people say AT-AT and then some people are purists that say Imperial Walkers because that's the only thing they're ever called it's AT-AT what do you call the Scout Walkers chicken legs you call them AT-STs so they're AT-AT I know it because remember we knew the toys more than we knew anything else the toys which remember was a big part of Shadows of the Empire

[01:23:08] was the toys that came out you got you got Sizor you got Dash Rendar you got IG-88 I'm a big proponent of like hey whatever you like makes you happy I'm good with it I don't give a shit AT-AT and AT-AT I will stand my fucking ground fuck you if that makes you happy if that makes you happy fuck you no no no

[01:23:39] it's so simple what is AT-ST it's an AT-ST so what's an AT-AT it's an AT-AT no it's fucking not I am upset I'm upset I can tell now do you guys remember the AT-PT that was in the Rogue Squadron games that was like a chicken walker but a little tinier someone on eBay actually made their

[01:24:22] C-3PO meaning they will call them ART the O so how are you not on my side it drove me nuts I was like just use the letter designations I know how to say it tomato tomato yeah I don't know because for me I grew up with AT-AT so you're always going to stick with what you know because you'd see the toy bought that yeah no that's true like it's it's we're both wrong because they're only ever called walkers

[01:24:51] go with your gut man cliff go with your truth just yes that's one of the only thing that bothers me everything else this makes you happy that's yeah yeah fuck you well I'm not gonna get mad at you Hans because that's how I feel about rise of skywalker as a whole I feel about I don't love that either

[01:25:21] it bugs me so like there was actually there was a lot of fun things revisiting this camera I'm glad use this as a topic because you know we saw I was like oh yeah the whole like boosh thing but also they disguise Chewie yes bounty hunter which now there is a famous wookie bounty hunter who is now also canon who started from the comics he started from the dr. afra comics

[01:25:52] yeah that's the one dr. afra is awesome you've read that makes an so good but it's funny because they dress Chewbac up which is enough and he wears some stuff but he's like I

[01:26:31] but just don't say Steve from accounting yeah yeah you're not Chewbacca no your hair is a different color we don't have that technology so no possible way you're fucking Steve so I had some work done yeah and that's funny like Star Wars will do that too though everyone name will be like Dash Rendar and then there's Luke and it's like excuse me yeah right his name must sound so wild to

[01:27:05] from accounting don't you love how they'll sneak in profanity on occasion like oh yeah in the original there's only damn by you know or get the hell yeah well but then he's also like let's get the hell out of here or there's another line like that but that's not

[01:27:34] including the innuendo pretty small for storm trooper yeah but that's her brother or coming big jizz name this character jizz and it was a g that

[01:28:04] his toy was very popular much like you wonder what power glove oh my god man no micro machines for that one i'll tell you that for free nothing micro about right with with with kit and of course the jizz wailers

[01:28:34] new band name new band name it has to be a band name kit and the you know what we do star wars why are you guys so dirty there you go dirty star wars but i i love i wonder what he's doing with those tentacles on the back of his head but much like i wonder what what is goro in mortal combat do with all four hands right

[01:29:10] there's plenty of parodies of this out there but i love how in jedi academy it kind of expands on the coruscant nature of what you kind of see detailed in any other book especially shadows and shows a lot of the underworld and the different clubs you infiltrate and all the imperial spies that are still there but uh i so that's that's literally it's as deeper it's deeper than the actual shadows of the empire book coruscant in fact

[01:29:39] is from the expanded universe it was supposed to be had abaddon coruscant wasn't the normal the first name is had abaddon have have entire planet's a city yeah have it it sounds like unhabited yeah lucas wanted to do an underworld show on that planet wow with the volume but it it wasn't financially feasible

[01:30:09] that's when he sold it for the minute disney because he was like i want to make it was called 1313 it was supposed to be like a lower level on coruscant show there's like shots of it like they so interestingly dave just shared some pictures from the trading card game and dash red trading card ganks i did dash right exactly like what's his name

[01:30:39] over there you want me to get him i'll get him right now that picture dash red looks like i'm gonna get what's his name from a phone order all in order the jedi survivor oh oh well they have red hair that part's true yeah dash red does have like red hair at least as you yeah he looks like he looks just like even has the five o'clock shadow that uh what's his name i was about to say cam but i think

[01:31:09] oh my god that's amazing i told you i have him oh my god here hans we never deny that but what i what i'm trying to get out with the miniatures is that when nice when when the new movies came out is right when fantasy flight started expanding upon the figures and that's when they started adding in a lot of the expanded universe all the different toys yeah and they started going so that's when i when i got in i was like oh dash rendars here and stuff and i think that also re-excited

[01:31:39] me in this promise that they were going to tell more stories expand they were hey all that expanding universe stuff we know we said legends but maybe we'll re-canonize it in a different context timeline and actually did they use the term legends back then i don't think they did i think this was they have like calling it legends is kind of brilliant because then they can pick and choose of like hey these are campfire stories like these are campfire stories some of it's true it's a

[01:32:09] tall and they pick and choose like thrones true allegedly a legend yeah you know like that's actually allegedly alleged that's actually kind of fucking brilliant to do it that way i wish they would canonize more of it but i also it's a money machine like of course like they're gonna just say hey shadows of the empire is actually churn out whatever disney plus bullshit

[01:32:38] to uh to fill that gap right now now obviously fantasy flight was just trying to get a license so they could you know sell toys and get money and lucas absolutely jump on any bandwagon and so yes but what i think was what excited me though as a fan was thinking that oh they're pulling from the comics they're pulling like all the smuggler bounty hunters they ever had to ship in a comic book they put it in this game so obviously all of us collectors were all

[01:33:08] buying all these ships all the every time you can imagine it got put in and i think that's another reason why i kind of feel i don't know whether we were betrayed but disappointed that i'm mad just disappointed that lucasfilm they're just not going back to any of these ships it's like they're cool looking ships there is a fan base they're in their late they're mid late 30s they slip them in here and there like in ahsoka we got an e-wing that is true yeah

[01:33:37] you know like they drop it in like piece i don't think we saw the b-wing until shoot wasn't it the sequels because there is no there's a b-wing the b-wing the b-wing is in the b-wing the jedi but there is like an origin of the b-wing and rebels oh yeah yeah the only thing that like yeah that's where the toys only had a y and x you couldn't get a b but you could play a b-wing and there were some new toys

[01:34:07] in tie fighter and the other one yeah yeah yeah thank you i played the yeah oh my god you spun around plenty of y-wings all this other stuff that's not mentioned in universe but you know what's interesting is that you know at least at my age like it's amazing to think that lucas arts as a video game studio was absolutely more profitable than anything else they were doing like with yeah lucas arts

[01:34:36] made some fucking bangers and the fact that they haven't even star wars later their star wars release stuff was good too but i'll get right i mean some of the stuff they did i mean you get salmon max like all that shit like grifindango oh my goodness did they do uh the one where you did they do the one where you're the dead guy i you know i thought that was grifindango yeah wait grifindango so oh wait a full throttle then never mind i was like what's the

[01:35:06] one where you were the motorcycle driver yeah i lost too like there were so many yeah and like they finally revitalized that but it's like you had this you had this property like if i was gonna buy something for four billion dollars dollars like yeah i don't know i might mine all of it right i just i mean i just might i don't know and dave good job on sharing some of these cards yeah man

[01:35:36] what i'm trying to get at is that you see i take it hans you got some of these hold on what do you what do you got it you got the star viper miniatures yeah yeah i just put it on for the micro machines because i was like that was he kept saying the micro machines i was like oh i should show him the miniatures because this was a fun game it was a tense game but it was a cool space dogfighting yeah did you play it yes god damn that's a whole story let me tell you the fucking story give me one fucking minute

[01:36:03] the green champagne is kicking in i got a point i swear to god i'm gonna get to it knock him dead knock him dead what i'm trying to get at is that as i was playing this and blowing all my money buying these expanded universe ships i kind of get this like new life i get to touch it i get to like put it on the board it's not just a comic book now now i get to actually have bosk's giant freighter oh my god like this

[01:36:33] look i'm sure all those ships what i'm trying to get at is that like they're not just an image now now was a real thing i get to play with it i'm getting excited and then these new movies come so that fantasy flights are great what new ships you got we have an x-wing that's black and we have a tie fighter that's kind of black again and you saw it when you got the new movies and you got the new ships you're like okay these are all these main characters here's wex snapply in a black x-wing

[01:37:05] i'm just playing with the same stuff it wasn't until like we finally got the heavy bomber and oh my god somewhere because you're just like kylo ren's ship is still similar to the other ones like it's because when they got the prequels like people were like what's this naboo bullshit what is what are these droid fighters fuck that i want x-wings i want tie fighters i want

[01:37:34] something that resembles the thing i loved when i was an infant yeah that it's always interesting because shadows empire is we were talking about it was very planned like they made sure that the toys were related to what we were going to see because famously both the prequels and the originals so sometimes the toys had nothing to do with what you saw on film like this must be a major character because they have a toy nope was the millennium falcon but it wasn't so it was perfect yeah here's walrus man

[01:38:04] the outrider is actually a fucking incredible design the outrider is amazing the outrider is so good so how do you play this trading card game is it like any other where you just hold on let me open up the rules oh good i honestly don't remember i just remember going to like the card store and being like yo i want darth vader for 40 give me that oh my word i don't know i have a whole fucking thing here i don't know

[01:38:33] this is one of like seven maybe you guys should do your custom game dave takes his micro machines it's like a it's like a magic gathering type game but there you go i don't know how to play it honestly i actually sold i actually sold my star wars oh here's the reason was it was i said that new ships weren't that good the new movies were not that great i was like watch re-watching clone wars just to feel something

[01:39:05] one of my friends her boyfriend was like this sounds really cool i kind of want to repaint these ships i said i'll sell them to you and i was like no problem and he wanted to like kind of repaint them and kind of re-jazz them up and i said that's fine because me and my other buddies we all kind of like moved farther away and we just never got to play as much because it was a fun game it got really crunchy because the idea of like you know you build your ship and then they have different upgrades and you're like counting your points to make sure oh well this my this version of the ship has this lasers on and stuff so it

[01:39:35] got really intense and really detailed and i did it never went far but like it was but i think when you started seeing the new movies and they are there you can just tell there's the the runway is running out of road there's nothing new ships they start going in starting then they did a prequel and they're like okay we'll now have separate rules to make prequel clone wars style battles so you can recreate the battle if you want and then they started making other ships and like i said i was like at that point i kind of moved on i said well the movies aren't going

[01:40:05] anywhere i'm kind of disappointed done man i got my kicks out of it i would like it if they change the rules dave to reflect the movies themselves so it's like oh these ones are based on the sequels where it's like somehow palpatine's returns like oh if you die you can just go well somehow i'm back okay this card this card just says eat you die eat shit and die

[01:40:34] that's what i'm dealing with right here what is sad cliff is that fantasy flight was good for power creeping anything new um like if a new ship came along it would have new weapons and then have like a new ability and if you're playing against somebody you better know what that rule was so like and the rules were never like updated online you had to buy the new rules that came in the pack of the new so it was like the bad one fucking rpg yeah and that's why it is because then and then one of the biggest controversies at the time was like dengar came out and he had like

[01:41:04] 18 different slots of 18 different weapons in his ship and he was incredibly overpowered and they clearly never playtested this or they just wanted to power creep it so the meta was like oh you gotta put all these different things in dengar ship and you win no problem so they're like okay we're removing 10 of those slots so like people who went to tournaments they had to get a fucking hole puncher like they're working for Amtrak and just straight up punch holes in all those things so because like they had to play tournament roles and like I said fantasy flight did the same shit with the game of

[01:41:34] thrones card game which I also spent too much money on when the tv show was on I was like oh I love playing I'll play the game of thrones card game and I got migraines from all the stress of trying to like win those games it's no it really was I probably got too much of this gray hair probably from those sunday afternoons before the show was on we all would we all would gather play hate ourselves then go watch the show you might remember this power rangers going for you to bring to bring dengar back to

[01:42:03] the shadows of the empire yes he's the empire yeah did swoop bikes in the video game yeah dengar got fucked up and turned into like a cybernetic egg because han soto dropped over his head and burned the shit out of it would have to have been uh dash rendar right because han solo is carbon so did it to him han did it to him why han dropped

[01:42:33] han's an asshole who shot first hey ron you might remember that there was a uh place where you could i think take like flying lessons or whatever called fantasy of flight over in lakeland yeah yeah in lakeland florida there's a place called fantasy of flight i remember seeing big signs for it david i was like wait fantasy of flight no shit and i'm like oh i see it's like a place where you go and learn about playing there's like a big like uh where do you talk to animals right

[01:43:03] playing with a guy hanging from it or something go in the woods and do drugs yeah even better where do you live in florida i used to mess with with great man we both live in well i live in st petersburg and aaron lives in tampa oh i like lakeland is where fantasy of flight was the people that made the playing cards where do you i lived in i lived in jacksonville for like five years i fucking hate it prime florida man uh area the worst fucking place

[01:43:32] i i'm not gonna disagree with you hans it's brutal i like tampa i wouldn't really call it florida tampa's all right it's florida man yeah it's it's wild it's florida south of gainesville but i i so jacksonville for any listeners that don't know the geography jacksonville is technically the biggest yeah it's technically the biggest city in terms of geography in the u.s yeah it is because it goes out into the fucking nowhere yeah it's gonna sound wild there's trees everywhere it's like hey welcome to

[01:44:02] the city limits like no no what you're telling me is star wars is inspired by all of the lesser parts of florida jacksonville would be like coruscant it's just like this big city but it doesn't this is gonna sound wild but it's like la without any of the charm or soul yeah as little a soul as silly has really i would say that uh think that um that would be um mos eisley oh yeah it is a scum of a uh

[01:44:33] scum and villainy yeah that's what i say about dallas it's not even mos eisley it's the shittier version of mos eisley cam i think it's so dusty jacksonville my recurring memory every time i drive through and actually that's where you got married right aaron yeah yeah and there was a big billboard and it said one dollar sushi and i was like no that's not good that's not good at all one dollar

[01:45:02] to give you food poisoning sure why not yeah that place fucking safe ish safe ish i guess it's better than gas station sushi i don't know yeah uh keeping it at least within even if we're off the star wars at least within the uh sort of world of sci-fi aaron's uh wedding was babylon five no no no no uh battlestar galactica galactica oh bsg's yeah yeah he had the uh the two main

[01:45:32] characters instead of the bride and groom on the cake and yeah i don't care you said i frack you for any listeners to this podcast you can find an episode we did specifically on battlestar galactica yes we did it was epic we were arguing about war crimes it never stopped um but but one thing i did one thing i did also love about jedi knight jedi academy other than jedi outcasts having some cursing by luke saying

[01:46:01] stop it i don't give a damn uh but uh something to that like he said i damn or hell but i think what he said was fuck you fucking fucking fuck you you you noob you'll never be a jedi you fuck off oh that's ewan mcgregor in train spotting never mind oh yeah that's ewan mcgregor in any movie that's not star wars um at rogue on free there's a level where you're on the geonosis planet as and you're you're having to fight battle droids that while

[01:46:31] going after an imperial and when you shoot him down he goes damn you but uh i loved in jedi academy how you kind of got a lot of what dash was doing in shadows where you were having to get out of town and get rid of biker gangs and you could keep hijacking their various uh you know futuristic cycles you know swoop bikes swoop bikes whatever the hell you want to call it nerd um future nerd what the fuck are we doing

[01:47:01] here hans gruber um dash rendar is i if we were ranking just star wars ass names like the most star wars ass of star wars names that's right at the top i was like bro that sounds like you're making fun of star wars names you know so over the top i love it by the way i love it snow to render my graphics i don't know dash rendar is a top tier george lucas ass name where the hell did kyle katarn come up yeah

[01:47:31] and solo no dash kyle katarn you're a stan or a kyle what are you saying yeah i mean that's no worse than luke i guess dash rendar is another name for dave rider that's my little understanding space mutiny the one of the best mystery science theory episodes he has many crazy names and writers mystery science theater is mitchell oh i do love that one's a tough one because it's definitely uh i love

[01:48:00] gun smoke quite a bit or is that what's called yeah not gun smoke that's a gunfighter uh gunslinger thank you yes that's one of my favorites just because they rarely do westerns and yes it just has a bunch of like little quick ones i mean everyone knows like manos hands of fate all the classics but i usually try and watch gunslinger every at least turkey day just because there's so many quick lines and it and they're just making a lot of westerns or whatever they're like bass masters big fish face sky

[01:48:31] it's funny because yeah it was one of the rare westerns but they so often they'll make a reference to and it was roger corman too so are those jeep tracks they're like corman and he's like so we filmed small diamonds on wednesday and this one on friday yeah they were continuing to give him shit for his low budget filmmaking and but often they'll sneak in a reference to gunsmoker but it's i i do quote mitchell the most anytime

[01:49:00] i'm watching a awful like punisher or knockout a steven seagal movie i go the hero of the movie everyone there was a guy at comic con yeah i make fun of the jazz there was a guy at comic con a few years ago that did the manos hands of fate that was his costume i wish those hands would push him over did you ever see there was one in the late 2010s i want to say 2018 they did one which was thanos the

[01:49:30] hands of fate he dressed up as thanos from avengers it's a clever one but yeah i thought about it all the time especially because he has a glove right i'm like wait a second well no because he did a crossover he mixed them all kim why do you why do you say thanos like that are we really gonna go here are we really i'd like we're off the rails like why do you say it like that he pronounces it at at like a man i pronounce it how i see it

[01:50:01] i give it the effort which is none all right well interestingly when i we're you know i'm always trying to bring it back that was actually what i was like the few things i want to talk about is the pronunciations because i'm like because there because there wasn't a movie and only the pc version of the game had live acted some cinematic yeah i don't have like pronunciations which is wild because it's like xizor xizor for anyone

[01:50:30] that hasn't seen this and is just listening along thank you but it's xizor i believe yeah you're right but hans you're xizor xizor is probably more pronounced i always in my head where it's going xizor which makes no sense but i definitely i'm standing by big jizz as this i see i see that pronunciation i accept it's like giant that's all oh my god i hope it's not like the overrated movie with james dean

[01:51:02] yeah but there's a you know there's wild names and stuff and you're like wait i don't know how to say these and what's funny is star wars is kind of famous right for not giving you good clues because like people say even within movies different names like yeah i mean land is like leah right leah like and then you're my friend i'm your hand no it had to be your hand oh yeah um oh and how about where the hell did i i love how you don't get this in the

[01:51:31] books but in the game they encourage you to just steal everything steal all these other weapons you can pack them around like a duke nuke them type and then you can get a damn jet pack yeah i would love it if they did you know because most people describe the modern uh star wars shows as like felonnie like banging his toys together but in filming it you know and i'm not i'm not saying this negative a lot of people said this wonderful strong people tears in their eyes but um it would be funny

[01:52:01] to like fully like embrace like video game stuff and just have like the main character flipping and flipping and flipping yeah going off and standing perfectly still while you go take a piss oh my god just like what am i watching i was like this is really bringing the video game ethics of not sure we're ready to know not sure we're ready to know now you'll love this so john knowles who directed the game apparently did also was one of the artists on

[01:52:31] super star wars as well as x-wing rebel soul and dark forces so uh but who voiced dash they gave him an awesome voice and was like whoa so bob burgeon was his usual being luke but tom kane was lebo i'm always gonna guess uh what's his name nolan nolan north not nolan north this is like nine times out of ten he's the voice they remade it he would they remastered he remade it yes he's totally gonna be in it so john saigon

[01:53:00] who's done his work includes uh you know voices for iron man mill gear solid that's who did it yep rest in peace john saigon yeah oh and he's passed um what else did you say he was in because he had dash rendar as well voiced he's he's solid snake in the english version of part two as well as okay so that david hater now does solid snake so then all right so he's the other one he was one of the other ones he's done some live action roles he was twitch in toy story free

[01:53:29] and other voices include minions world of warcraft and grand theft auto five is the population he's a hot just additional voices as well as inside out so your guess is as good as mine unless he puts it on his you know i always love going to that one voiceover site uh oh i always i always feel work is the greatest work of all time you get paid to sit in a air conditioned booth for three hours

[01:53:59] right so behind the voice is what i use of all time to be i i don't want to be an actor i want to be a vo person you want to be a let me say my stupid lines for 30 minutes and you get credited even if they don't use your voice or not in an air conditioned room yeah yeah comfortable it's good i will say that uh one of our good friends brian weissel uh one of aaron eyes good friends for rick and morty and stuff and he got

[01:54:28] started making cartoons yeah if you watch season two you'll see brian weissel it's my old roommate and a good friend of ours but anyway he got started he'd be like can you do vo work and i was like yes like on saying i was like this seems like it would be easy no no it's not easy i didn't mean to i didn't there's a reason why the big names are big you know i can't do that but like that seems like the right it does and i was also because he had made it yes i was like definitely not air conditioned room it was his closet

[01:54:56] and you're sitting in there going take it again take it again take it again go and kill permission to take my shirt off yeah oh he had already granted that permission i'd come in with that on my right anyway so i also thought that especially living in la i was like oh that would be fun to do but then i was like oh fuck it's work either you can do voices or you can't like you either have

[01:55:25] that in you or you can't you know like i don't have but even just doing the voice i can do my own voice barely but it's like you know patrick stewart and a few of the other um actors who've come from stage usually tell they've done stage like ricardo monta montaigne's done stage and you can see the way they do because they do a lot more body acting and the close up acting is totally different it seems to wrestling you can always tell the old yeah vo is and when you're

[01:55:54] vo it's all here you get nothing different than like actual acting because they'll get like yeah yeah someone from a marvel movie doing like i can't just cry and people know i'm sad you gotta hear it in my voice yeah yeah and you gotta type of acting but and they're and they're still stand firm and it's that's the sweetest gig of all time it's not it's not a knock on it it's right no no no less it's just i'm just saying i'd like to do like that's the fucking dream it's the perfect

[01:56:24] in-between because you can do all this but not necessarily be recognized in public but also no one knows you for three hours you sit and make your entire nut for the year in an air conditioned room nice and cool fine you just say your fucking lines and you're done absolutely so i respect it it sounds like i'm talking down to it i fucking respect it and actually i wish i could do it this is a good segue because one of the things i was thinking of

[01:56:54] when we were talking about this whole shadows empire is that because it's like a multimedia thing you start to realize different sort of storytelling the way a comic is structured is totally different the way a book is structured because you can't just show a picture and be like you know like you have to say like in the book you'd have to say like it yeah you're like Chewbacca or whatever i was like oh yeah you know he's like you see he's different i don't have to explain it when the book you have to say so anyway they died and he looks different now so if you're worried

[01:57:24] that's what's happening and if you're playing a video game that's different too right because you have to be like how do i sort of understand the story how do i make it seem dangerous that's a great point because that's the disconnect between all three of those things we don't realize how you have it translates well they're they're also telling three different stories sort of yes sort of and they're with their own identity story but if you didn't consume all three of them you don't get

[01:57:53] the entire story and dave made a point about on this kind of topic earlier yes which was it was one thing to sort of read the story it's another thing to hold it in your hands and to physically sort of move it around and make it seem real to you and and there's different ways that's going to work for different consumers of the media right different people are going to connect with it different ways that's true too and that's kind of neat because i think only a giant property like star wars could you pull it off you couldn't do this with like interview with a vampire be like oh cool yeah like you could actually you could actually

[01:58:23] expect every one of your your bands to consume all of them that's yeah exactly you need you need to have a certain type of fan base all i did was play the game yeah now we're really thankful though that you were able to transport over here and land your ship and plant it and then bring in some other deep cuts as well as how it's translated

[01:58:52] and how this is survived fandom of any kind so we're coming to find you on the social webs yeah yeah you want to hear more of my talk on comic books yeah i have a few guest spots on real comic heroes but yeah i hosted um five minutes of mystery which covered the 1999 superhero comedy ensemble mystery men yep um if you and if you haven't heard it uh sean and i years ago we did groundhog minute where we talked about the film uh

[01:59:21] with bill mary directed by harold ramus yes he did so um yeah i mean like i'm and i'm sure i've popped up on a few guest spots on a few other people's podcasts but uh yeah for the most part yeah you can find me there lovely do you do comic book stuff well i mean like i covers was on real comic heroes but for a few things with travis but we were talking about comic book movies and i told him that like my favorite comic book movie still is mystery men from 1999

[01:59:51] oh yeah i i would love to hear you talk about mystery men for like i will link it to you i got the feed up for you i got it so five minutes mystery i'll link it to you i i want that and so everyone else should want to check that and groundhog groundhog minute out and i will yeah i was gonna say and since that's a pretty good segue so aaron and i uh do predator minute as part of this sort of same network so you go movies by minute dot com you can

[02:00:23] minute which is fairly obviously predator films are now in predator two um let's see we've got the big predator poster over there still yeah we also do one called gonzo minute where we're doing hunter s thompson films starting the fear and loathing las vegas which we're still on yeah so we're gonna have a lot uh we do meetups as cam was talking about i can't remember if that was green room or on recorded but uh dave i think we've met you uh

[02:00:53] either in philly or in indianapolis or yeah it all comes together yeah so we've done we go all get together and there's over 200 and i think 50 films now and then movies by network but yeah so feel free to check that out and you can find us in any of the social medias at uh either predator minute or gonzo minute lovely uh well what is advice to live by other than use the force inappropriately

[02:01:26] um an actual hat that i got for my brother use it in a selfish way like get yours get your bag i love it get your bag yeah that is more or less the the shadows of the empire way i was i had a line from the comic that i was gonna pull in that was like extremely provocative but i won't be able to it's provocative no one knows what yeah it was like definitely sounded very sexual so i mean those are the

[02:01:56] best kinds where it was something about uh i'm gonna suck his bones dry or something i was like i saw that yeah you shared that earlier so the line is i'm going to drink musk isley dry oh no only in star wars can you come up with this kind of shatner-esque dialogue and that was from big jizz i think yeah from the bikers what would you expect yeah i'm sure only spot that that's that's where spooberg and lucas interact spooberg would have that just to remind us to hate the biker

[02:02:26] and lucas is like oh no i don't want to go that far i want my kids to see this those are those are that's me and aaron what about hans tom because tom is keeping it classy but no i mean social medias and projects are nope i got nothing going on at the moment i did i'm just a frequent guest here and feel free to join ours anytime absolutely and i i think i was actually on one of the

[02:02:55] minutes right you were awesome did that ever come out i don't i don't know i never know because aaron does the editing and i'm the person who does the actual posting it online and i'm the worst so well yeah everyone do not hire me it's in the can look up anything it's in the can but it is not uploaded i remember having a good time where did you find that toy okay dave has flashed okay so oh i have never opened it it's it's

[02:03:24] used but i've never actually opened this box it's got a little dust on it it's been on my shelf behind me i was like oh yeah i have dash in the outrider there unopened and then there's where it gets to be a sexual name outrider but it's the first time i'm opening this but it is wild how oh you're opening it oh wow but you know what you know here it is still sealed it's still sealed it's a golden one you were about to get a tour of the disney factory it is it is expired now the box the box

[02:03:54] doesn't have a seal on it so i opened it up and immediately i could see the ship is still wrapped in a plastic in its cardboard containers so this is yeah an unplayed untouched uh outrider all right it's just been diddled a little bit yeah the outrider by the way again for people that don't know it that is dash rendar's ship the white it's hidden falcon but you'll love this it apparently it's a corollian freighter it's not with with shoulder pads

[02:04:23] it's a corollian freighter with wow how original it's some of the dark horse cult wars comics as well as force unleash 2 and bounty hunter video game where you're playing as jango fett so it's got some love yeah they uh they were gonna name son holo i think but they were like no no there is just no differentiation between those characters they were like what if he were a smuggler who's also a bit of a rogue and sort of incorrigible and handsome and

[02:04:53] white that's a good idea where do you want it to yeah what do you want his name to really be but yeah is it's apparently in the special edition of uh the original star wars so yeah yeah the outrider shows up in the special edition of d-hook uh probably not in any significant way it's just there but i mean it's just it's just that version of the ship it's just that version of that

[02:05:22] but how wild i i never i i did i knew we were gonna go down a rabbit hole of fun stuff but i had no idea we were gonna have all this other stuff too yeah that was a thing or why isn't it more of a thing and we like him because of the nostalgia but is he really that significant kind of but not really but maybe i think so i think he's still on the table meet me halfway yeah like well he exists in canon like he's been referenced in books here and there like and bogus that dude

[02:05:52] hopefully in good fiction not bogus fiction sorry you were saying no like canon he's in he's technically exists in canon yeah i know i think it's one of those things where right now in my brain he is perfect and um it's one of the things i wish disney would bring him in but i also like they could get the worst writer and they could ruin his character and i see it on screen yeah yeah it's what it's what happened yeah the empire is perfect it hasn't been touched it hasn't been cannibalized and ripped apart too much it still exists in this

[02:06:21] pocket dimension that was the time between empire and and return of the jay so that's where i'll end my part is that like i still love it i still think about it i'm always on the fence can i trust disney to like to reincorporate into some kind of movie tv show i don't know i'm scared that they're right i think i think they will whether they do it well is a whole other story but i think he will come the ideas are more interesting does exist in the world like he's shown up in in at a book like he like

[02:06:51] potentially he exists in canon he's he's somewhere in the netherlands he's real fingers you had to bring up fingers again my god guiltiest podcast i think at this point we have to ask the question of what isn't in canon in star wars what is uh what isn't rewritten and redone that's that's the special edition that's the beauty of calling it legends is you can pick and choose what you want to

[02:07:19] canonize because it's like these are campfire stories yes these are these are things we people we tell people there's elements of truth throughout them concepts of a truth oh yeah on that note i will leave you guys leave us to play with our sabers all right hey no it was a delight having you on here and we'll try to do it more often and we'll link your shows all right yeah have a day of always pleasure

[02:07:48] yeah i'll play guys yep i put my email in there get us get in touch it sucks that we got jobs now and then just do surveys all day and then dick around and you know exercise and then watch these damn movies there's the real dream hans even better even better than voice acting play around with the damn computer um uh a run uh what would

[02:08:17] you say is your what do you think is most impactful about all this multi-format uh spinoff other than wacky connections and i don't know i mean it's it was cool just to see like uh i didn't know this existed until cliff like uh put me onto it but it was cool to see like the connection you know just stuff filled in but you know i i've got to wonder is disney gonna play the uh uh marvel universe thing and start doing

[02:08:46] parallel universes that's what i thought they were gonna do to begin with before we had mickey mouse holding a saber figures that i mean does it even matter like they can just it doesn't matter anymore anytime you know oh man yeah but i i see a lot of it it's just sort of lazy writing but i mean it's cool it's cool in a lazy way yeah it is kind of it's lazy production

[02:09:13] yeah i did the comic i think that was his first i'll put it to you it does not always work because he describes things like their books even though i just said you don't have to do it you'll see a lot it's like oh as you can see this is happening i'm like i can see that you do not have to tell me you don't have to say the obvious but that's just it too star wars states the obvious in a typical way but it's like true that's actually it's like the writing's not great it should just be a forgettable rainy

[02:09:41] day time kill but it's somehow i think because it was a more organized effort we remembered it compared to other one-offs where we're like yeah of course they did that who cares you know it's just like i mean it was memorable because it was memorable like yes like it was interesting it was there was they were filling in again we wanted to be filled in uh cliff are you being forced to talk by one of the

[02:10:08] imperials right now but no i'm with you hans it is one of those it's you always wondered han can't be the only fucker keeping this whole echo base up and running there's like three there's gotta be five dozen others three years in between him being put into a slab of beef and then showing up you know in java's palace there's a lot of story right it can't just be a lot of time he got killed we wanted to know what the fuck

[02:10:37] happened why did it take them that long absolutely they have this entire armada why did it take them so fucking long to find him oh that's just it it's like they're so desperate at this point it's like we need any bounty hunter we need any merc to steal something for us and we take credit for it seems like it shouldn't have taken that long but it really shouldn't but star wars because star wars i

[02:11:04] found the line it's it's luke um i'm gonna i'm not gonna give you the context because that would ruin it he says luke says leia leia i'm here i'm coming for you and she says he's close oh luke that's all you get i will read the comic if that doesn't entice you i don't know what good it's titillating they found out oh wait actually it's after people

[02:11:32] say there's no sex in star wars i don't know there might be too much yeah it's so cool i can look the other way just this once i'll tell you uh going back to that not being able to find hon right away uh through a very simple answer for that all of them had gps but it was all voiced by yoda yeah oh there you go that was the problem i was that motherfucker sitting on tag about being like no there's

[02:12:01] another yeah turn turn now you will five miles from now then get on it dude i'm not gonna lie though there's another and you're just sitting here doing nothing there's another fuck you you're just chilling with obi-wan there's another get the other don't you love how slowly they've given yaddle the other there's another backstory yeah there's another you should totally be sexting his ex-girlfriend and other jedi is just being like hey man how you doing well he

[02:12:31] finally found out what happened to yaddle yeah thank god oh that's right yaddle got yeah christopher lee just crushed christopher lee not christopher guest no christopher guest christopher lee just smashed christopher lee oh smashed bryce dallas havert in that thing yeah that was a while that they did that it's like she's the director on these mondo shows and then they're like how about you voice this one of those well yeah hey how about you tie up this

[02:13:01] loose end we had no we have charlie lucas was like hey let's put this stupid looking puppet here i always feel like they must occasionally reach out to lucas for names like hey so we've got a new yoda character what should we name you say yaddle yep that's okay we're going with it yeah well well well you guys playing he still got it he still got it he still got it i do viagra did not need um

[02:13:31] but i think that explains your your frustration hans is like this is why he's so cynical and spoiled he's waiting he could just tell luke straight up and he's like nah he has to work for it he must you know yoda man he just sat there on this swamp sat there he could have done things feeling sorry for himself yep yeah he was just sitting there having a sulk there there has to be an alternate universe where luke says no motherfucker there are you're coming with me have you

[02:14:00] save my friends and you're gonna have you ever have you ever looked up star wars infinities which are what if for star wars oh that was what we were talking about earlier yeah yeah we were i couldn't remember the name of one of them yoda uh just pilots the death star into coruscant yeah they he just crashes it in he's like talking to the emperor he's like for real hey what's up for real yeah i'm coming and then he just i'm coming for you into him yeah

[02:14:30] and not not to mention not not to forget how the star wars was like the first one where i created my own alternate endings because that's how i knew it was so awesome i could come up with so many what ifs well yeah because it's a world you want to live in what if wedge what if luke died and wedge gained jedi power you know there's all kinds of shit you could do you know wedge was my favorite character what if the sand people killed anakin during the podcast again we don't use that term but yeah

[02:14:59] brian north oh my god it's all right we're getting pc over here oh wait brian north uh the author he does a bunch of comic books and other stuff but uh he did squirrel girl and stuff but he was brian north i remember when he said something he's like there is no such thing as canon even within the catholic church yeah man whatever you want to be canon is true whatever your story is that's the true story yeah whatever you give a fuck about whatever you want to care about

[02:15:28] that's honestly why the best thing that luke was like uh that disney did was calling it legends yeah because then it's like whatever you it's a campfire story whatever you think is it was a long time ago what all if you think the new jedi order with you yuzang vong and all that bullshit you think that happened it did you're right did the rabbit and the horse jedi i hook up hell yeah they did yeah yeah fuck a computer

[02:15:58] wait till you see my fucking deviant art account oh my god deviant art there's a are you sure that's not on tumblr and they're shutting that oh i gotta keep it out of the eyes of disney but yeah right but yeah but that's what shadows of the empire was right it was like for now we're gonna we're gonna have some fun with some characters and none of it's gonna really matter let's fill in a gap of three years

[02:16:27] that made no sense well do that you you could totally just let ai just write some of these stories you know alternate and it would probably do better than all right all right all right all right now i'm upset now i'm upset invited to disney rep yeah i'm only angry because that's probably probably what is gonna happen yeah it's totally gonna happen are you kidding i know i know i know

[02:16:57] i know are you sure are you sure you know it'll still be better than rise of skywalker what would you want to have happen but man yeah yoda hey i need to come on for another minute of predator 2 yeah yeah we'd love to have you yes you should i don't know if that ever came out i i don't you just said i will i will post them i had a couple i don't give a shit and i didn't do shit so i don't care if it ever comes out i want to hang out

[02:17:26] i don't know how far i just i just want to hang out with you guys again that's it sounds good hey ron you're good you're only a couple weeks back on predator and about the same on gonzo but i am literally 40 episodes back oh wow okay yeah i'm i'm switching out cam cam cam actually this is all green room conversation we can talk later what the fuck this is not what the listeners came for this riveting content

[02:17:55] are you kidding i think this is about how we make the sausage they want to see how it's made yeah famously that's what people want yeah but what i want we made all these dong and lightsaber jokes i think we i think we burned it who cares who cares about those fucking sheep who cares this seems like a good time to plug nordvpn

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