Star Trekking Week: The Entire Star Trek Film & TV Saga Gets Ranked (with an all-star guest cast!)

[00:00:06] It's a Jacked Up Review Show It's a Jacked Up Review Show Oh, Jacked Up Review Show It's a Jacked Up Review Show It's a Jacked Up Review Show Oh, Jacked Up Review Show Welcome all once again and to know we dominate the podcast galaxy. I'm your host, Soley.

[00:00:50] I say screw the Prime Director tonight. All bets are off. Joining us from the 27th Precinct Podcast, among many others, Oliver Rockside is here. Hello. He's doing his diligent part. Soldier and former paratrooper Gil Palmer is here tonight. Hello.

[00:01:09] Returning teacher of mankind, Teresa Leigh is here as well. Oh, that's overwhelming. You're going to get a nickname when you're liking it. Master blogger Sarah Cook is back on the show. Hi. Hello. Number one prodigy fangirl, Jin Lee Rosman is joining us tonight. Hello.

[00:01:29] Once successful, now fired prosecutors, Dylan and Rob from Real's of Justice are joining us tonight. Happy to be here. I was told I'd get to meet Yoda. Damn it. I knew we were on the road. I'm tired of that or Star Trek Troopers.

[00:01:44] Well, something with the word star, maybe Star Fox? Like to know more. Would you like to know more? He's resetting the Delta Quadrant. John from the mission log podcast is here tonight. Happy to be here. Thanks for the invite. Colonial Marines themselves, Aaron and Cliff from Predator Minute.

[00:02:02] Yep. Here to connect the predator and fear and loathing universes. Yeah, there you go. We'll find a way. Find a way to connect that crazy cyberpunk universe. Number one horanthology fan, Paul Derby is back on the show. Thanks for having me. Live long and prosper, everybody. Yeah.

[00:02:23] He's a doctor, but only in name. Ryan Madela from Bad Movies Rule joins us for his first guest. Hey guys, happy to be here. Thanks so much. Awesome. Glad to get joined. So once again, as we do with all rankings,

[00:02:35] we'd love to really just kind of put all the snobbery aside and really just figure out, you know, fan, non-fan, casual viewer. Why a franchise has really appealed to so many groups? And this is just perfect. We got so many different age and demographics groups.

[00:02:51] And it's going to be just really touching, just seeing why this franchise has just really left some kind of impression, hopefully positive to so many here tonight. We're going to let Oliver start us off. How did you get into Rottenberry's very complex and philosophical universe?

[00:03:05] Just a brief story. I was only allowed to watch two television shows when I was young. Check that. One with Sesame Street and the other one with Star Trek. The original series. The reason being is that I grew up in rural Canada, which was very homogenous.

[00:03:23] Let's just put it that way. And my mother felt that Star Trek was very beneficial in teaching me how that if people looked different, we're all the same. And so from about four to about eight, I just was besotted with Star Trek.

[00:03:42] And it just kind of continued on from there. And now that I'm 58 years old, I still love it. I'm sure we're going to have an argument about the reboot at some point, but. Yes, probably. Yeah, that's kind of where my love of Star Trek keeps. And lovely.

[00:03:57] All right, Jen, how did you embrace this very progressive and scientific universe? So I grew up with a mother who was not really a science fiction nerd. But she liked, you like the original Star Trek.

[00:04:12] And she tried to get me into it a little bit when I was younger. It didn't really stick. And then when I was a teenager, I was very obsessed with beyond belief factor fiction. You got a job that breaks factor budget.

[00:04:26] I realized that, oh, he's on next generation. I kind of got into that. But then I never really got into the whole universe until last year when between seasons two and three of Picard, a staff member at my group home asked me if I was watching Picard.

[00:04:48] I said no. And he's like, will you? Because no one else wants to talk about it with me. I was watching that and realized I have no idea what's happening. I need to rewatch next generation. I see all on a sequence.

[00:05:04] Lovely every episode in movie of Star Trek in the last year. Because it became my new autistic special interest. There you go. All right. So John, how did you join the staff of the mini Rottenberry podcast? Well, that is one story on its own. The fandom goes deep.

[00:05:24] I mean, I can't remember a time in my life that I wasn't a Star Trek fan dating back to, you know, three, four years old, something like that. So it's always been in my life. I've always been a fan.

[00:05:35] And then the long story short through various production work, Rod and I became friends. And he said, hey, I want to do a project where we explore every episode of Star Trek ever made because he had just finished a documentary about his father called Trek Nation.

[00:05:53] And they said now that I've explored the man, I want a project to explore the work. And why people always came up to him as a kid and said, your father's show changed my life. And Rod wanted to know why.

[00:06:07] So we crafted the show mission log to explore exactly that. And to date I have seen all the Star Trek. I have seen all every minute of every Star Trek yet produced. Yeah. There's a hell of a lot of it. Wonderful.

[00:06:24] So Sarah, Trek is one of your many fandoms. How did it fit into your life, let alone your viewing patterns? Trek is my original fandom. Both my parents were huge Trekkies. They were watching TOS and Rewrounds when I was a baby.

[00:06:43] And then Next Gen premiered when I was a little kid and it was a huge deal in our house. We watched it together every week. And then I just kept watching as the new shows and new movies came out. I watched everything that came out.

[00:06:57] There's never really been a time where I haven't been watching Trek. Ryan, how did you get into the many Kirk chops and sexy shirt rips? So I actually grew up watching the original, probably the original, I want to say the first five that came out with my family.

[00:07:17] Like growing up, if we did a movie night, we'd watch those. I didn't really get into the shows at all until I got older. Probably seven years ago, I started watching the original series like the episodes and they're dated now, right?

[00:07:32] But you can still, there's a lot of adventure to them. And it's interesting you mentioned that the philosophical angle to it because I started watching Next Generation with my kids recently. And it's actually, there's quite a bit of philosophy behind each episode where you're

[00:07:50] kind of going, wait, how does this actually, how would that work in reality? What is this metaphor for? I don't have quite as extensive a filmography with it, but I definitely enjoy a casual enjoyer like you said. Hopefully these rankings will give you more exposure.

[00:08:08] Yeah, more homework, right? Teresa, how did you beam aboard this saga? Well, my mother is a fan of the original series, but really what got me into Star Trek was the episode of Reading Rainbow when LeBar Burton. Oh, really? Yeah.

[00:08:25] And hearing him talk about how great it was to make a science fiction TV show and demonstrating the teleport effect or the beam effect. And from there, I've kind of always been a casual fan of it. I've seen at least one episode of every series except for Picard.

[00:08:43] I totally miss Picard, but a lot of Next Gen and some new Space Nine and Voyager. And I was, a few years ago, I've got to be in a one act play that was about Star Trek.

[00:08:58] And from there, I decided I should really be paying better attention and checked back in with it. We should see a video uploaded this sometime. It is on YouTube. If we search Teresa Deely Final Frontier, then it'll come up. I'm looking forward to this.

[00:09:15] Alrighty, so Gil, what does this universe mean to you? Well, I kind of got into it, you know, probably about 72, 73 or so. I don't know exactly when they started doing the syndication. I think it was before that maybe, but I don't remember.

[00:09:32] But I was getting into comic books at the time and it would be the thing after dinner where we'd all get set down and there were four prime time television. They were showing the syndicated shows, syndicated episodes on TV. And that's just how I got into it.

[00:09:44] My grandfather was a huge science fiction fan. Between the comic books and taking the interest that he had into it, I just kind of fell into it and just identified with it. So Paul, you've always been into all kinds of stuff from the Twilight Zone

[00:10:02] to outer limits to escape from New York. Where does this Roddenberry chapter fit into your life? Pretty much have loved Star Trek original series for as long as I can remember.

[00:10:13] I like a lot of the other track that did take me quite a while to watch some of the later series. And I'm still not all caught up with it. But all right guys, no spoilers.

[00:10:26] Currently, my first experience with Star Trek was my mother smuggled me into the theater to see the motion picture when I was in diapers apparently. I remember watching the original series and syndication a lot Saturday afternoons, I believe it was on.

[00:10:45] Plus I always had a fascination with space. I don't know if Star Trek started that or if it was watching Cosmos because I was watching them both around the same time. So maybe maybe you've been to everything that I just pretty much really got into science fiction,

[00:11:01] like Buck Rogers and Star Wars and all sorts of things. But I was always more into Star Trek than Star Wars. But I liked a both. Yeah, original series, the movies I the original series movies. I actually used to watch those several times a year

[00:11:20] after I got the collection on VHS. I still have that collection around somewhere, but I couldn't tell you the last time I've actually played a VHS. Probably worth 300,000 on eBay now. If only maybe it is. I don't know kind of against next generation originally,

[00:11:41] but then started watching it after they killed Tasha off started to really like it and then moved on from there. Next generation is probably my second favorite out of all of it, but really like the original series the best. I like part of this ranking.

[00:12:01] All right Dylan, why are you a hardcore fan and Rob, why are you a casual viewer? I think hardcore might be a bit of an oversell, but it's one of those things. It's definitely a hardcore fan. Show me your tattoo. No, I can't. He can't do it.

[00:12:19] Not on the video. You'll have to bleep it. No, it's just my father was a huge Trekkie that like he grew with. That's true. He's a small man. A little tiny guy.

[00:12:28] But he loves Star Trek and basically if you wanted to stay up late at my house when we were growing up, you had to watch Star Trek the next generation with my father. I think the first movie ever saw in theaters was The Undiscovered Country too.

[00:12:40] So it's been in my blood from a very young age going all the way up through the various series. So it's just, it stuck with me. My uncle is a huge fan of it as well. So just the whole family just absolutely loves Trek and it stuck.

[00:12:55] That's dynamite. All right Maynard, why have you found some of the movies to be somewhat entertaining? I've barely seen any of the movies and the ones I have I didn't find to be entertaining. That's not true. Yes it is. You like the motion picture.

[00:13:09] I did like the motion picture. I do like that. I'm not as big on Rathakon. It's okay. You look forward to your hot tags. Those aren't hot tags. Very cool. The first series I saw was the animated series, which I still think is the best series.

[00:13:24] I saw that in college and then after that I started watching the original series, which was pretty good except for all the ideas it stole from the animated series. Right. Like the Stephen A Smith of Star Trek. Oh. I only like Nemesis in the animated series.

[00:13:44] Torpedoes have been fired at me. I didn't like Nemesis, no. Nemesis is great, but we'll get into that later. We'll get into it. I did like Insurrection. I did like Insurrection. All right. I did like them though. All right, nerve pitch on you.

[00:13:57] Cliff, how did you make time for Trek and let air and go after things? Yeah, it really was so much an amalgamation of everything I've heard here. My dad used to take us to the Blockbuster video, get the VHS tapes.

[00:14:11] We started from episode one of the original series and moved down. And I was also a big fan. We had a huge collection of 50s, 60s, 70s pulp novels, of course, Voyage of the Space Beagle,

[00:14:23] especially the original series is so sci-fi and it's so neat to watch that go to the next generation and go from that 50s style of adventure to thoughtful philosophies. And I'm a story art.

[00:14:39] My age forces me into TOS fandom, but I pretty much enjoy them, although I will admit, besides Picard, I have not kept up much of the sugar in my friend Aaron here. There you go. All right, Aaron, why are you a sci-fi action fantasy completist? I don't know.

[00:14:58] I think one of my earliest memories is when I was three, we just moved into this new house and my mom had this big TV and she sat me down and said, OK, I'm going to let you watch one hour TV. And she put it on Star Trek.

[00:15:11] And then from there on, it was like every day on Channel 44, five o'clock, I would sit down and watch Star Trek. And it took me, I think, three or four times through the entire series.

[00:15:26] And this went on for years, by the way, three or four times through before I realized that there was like an order to it. And then I would try to figure out which episode was actually the first. So I'd have to go through it.

[00:15:39] Maybe by the eighth time I figured out it was that. Oh, I can't remember the name of it, but they had it had Spock and one of the like that pike or whatever, you know, the cage. Yeah, yeah. There you go.

[00:15:54] The production quality was different because it was pilot. They turned it into the only two part episode eventually. Yeah, Monogery part one and two. Going to geek out here on these titles. That's awesome. So, Mechawin, a lot of what you guys have said, you know, I've always been,

[00:16:11] I would literally just spend hours in between high school studies, just reading, just endless film history books when I ever since Star Wars in 2001, I was always a big visual effects, visual storytelling completist. You know, so I saw my blockbuster sucked, but TV was my weapon.

[00:16:32] I became a big sci-fi guy thanks to the Terminator movies. I was a horror guy thanks to X files and track pretty much fit into that same mold. But it was even better because it's like, okay, but it's also a western space cop show.

[00:16:48] It's a medical doctor show. It's also got allegories from everything from war crimes to political downfall and still love how every episode is in some way timeless. You know, I used to think for instance, the Kardashians and Klingons and various other races

[00:17:07] were allegories for something like Bosnian versus Serbia. But nowadays it seems like it's a metaphor for something like the Palestinian conflicts, you know, as well as the uproar in Israel in recent years. But that's just it is the power of social commentary in an otherwise just very complex

[00:17:31] and entertaining world. And being a cyberpunk William Gibson guy, there was a lot of those same kind of ideals of wicked corporations, half cyborg characters and just emphasis on technology, empowering races and a better economy.

[00:17:49] So I just but yeah, I saw all the movies in chronological order growing up around that same time I saw who the first episode where the border introduced Tom is a next-gen fan for life.

[00:18:02] And then I saw pretty much, you know, there was always ways to see reruns of all the other ones, DS9 and Voyager growing up. I'll get into some of the other ones and leave it for the ranking.

[00:18:13] But it was interesting how one way or another you were always seeing these just talented directors or actors in some other giant project and being like that guy. He was the outer space terrorist in episode such and such, or he was the awesome,

[00:18:27] you know, starfleet captain in that episode. So there was any way to tell that you were a super geek. You knew someone would do that. I applaud anyone who can do all these just little references here and there.

[00:18:41] And I just light up every time, like whether it's a movie that references the arena fight, someone else just doing a casual reference. Every once in a while, someone will shout out at a convention. There are four lights. I know instantly, I'll see what you did there.

[00:18:56] Erin can never hear the words, the needs of the many out there. See without him going, what will it's why? It's going to character. It's a real time for the funeral. Doesn't matter. Well, that's appropriate. Well, if you've ever seen like that, the new cartoon

[00:19:12] Star Trek, the lower decks thing, they really delve deep into the fan service. They usually cater very much for the fans with references to all the other stuff that came before. They really do.

[00:19:24] I think that's why it's a more polite fan base compared to other ones where you're like, okay guys, you got to chill. We'll return after these messages. Apple podcasts or wherever fine podcasts are found. Matchups like Robocop versus Terminator and even the Muppets versus Sesame Street.

[00:20:38] That one was crazy. So if you're a fan of geek culture and love a spirited debate, check out the Who Would Win Show wherever you get your podcast or check us out at whowadwindshow.com.

[00:20:48] I'm going to let Paul start off with his ranking first and we'll just kind of circle around. Typical five star ranking, you know, just like you would on any five star scale from best to worst. Oh well, no.

[00:21:00] I know a lot of people would agree with it, but I'd have to give a original series five stars. It was ahead of its time for timeframe. It was entertaining. I especially always loved the interactions between Spock and McCoy and Kirk, especially the McCoy and Spock.

[00:21:21] I was glad they kept that in the movies as well. Generation, I definitely would give that one five stars or gear five stars. It was definitely a bit more realistic. One of the problems with the original series is all the big people always wanted to unknown situations. Yep.

[00:21:40] That would never happen. They controlled that a lot more on next generation and most of the expanded track after that was all based off was more based off of the next generation format going forward. Yep. So it really established the expanded universe a trick.

[00:22:00] Fortunately, I have I've only seen a couple of episodes of the animated series and it's been so long since I don't really remember them. One of the things on my list. They're very good. Back to. Yes. Yes.

[00:22:15] They're basically the you could call them extended episodes of seasons free and for that never were much like continues web series. But next generation also introduce some great villains to the track universe, the Borg.

[00:22:34] Those were a favor of mine especially because I've always had a thing for cybernetic life forms. Yep. And my my love of Doctor Who was always into that because they had the Doctor Who had the Cybermen. Yeah. Then Star Trek had the board. Is their answer.

[00:22:56] The Deep Space Nine I think was probably my next favorite after next generation. I was really slow to get into that one. I didn't didn't really like it a whole lot just watched it in the beginning. I didn't really like it a whole lot. I watched it.

[00:23:19] It was basically one of the things I didn't make an effort to watch. But if I was round and nothing else was on, I'd watch it. Started watching it a bit more in college though because my roommate was always watching

[00:23:32] it by the time I got back to the dorm room. So that'll do it. Started watching it more than I think that was about the time point where a warf was on the show. Yep. That helped too because I really liked that character.

[00:23:49] Liked what they did with them later in the next generation and also after that point because his character I thought was pretty weak in the beginning of next generation. Yep. Voyager, that was another one I kind of hated on for years and often made fun of.

[00:24:09] But once I gave it a chance to watch here about, I think it was about 10 years ago when I actually sat down and watched the entire series. There was a lot of good stuff that was going on in that. And another favorite of those later series there.

[00:24:31] I'm pretty sure they were introduced to next generation or no, Deep Space Nine was the Dominion. I thought those were fun. Actually, I actually got a chance to meet Jeffrey Combs a while back and I got him to sign a WiiU picture. Here you go.

[00:24:52] How would you rank the movies? The movies, the original series movies. I definitely loved those. I never bought into the even odd rule that a lot of people go with. I like them all. I got weird rankings for them because there's like a,

[00:25:14] depends on what I'm in the mood for, like Star Trek 4. I consider that the funny one of the series. Undiscovered country. I really liked that one, but I'd have to say that one was best the first time you see it.

[00:25:31] After losing the mystery of what was actually going on there, it's still rewatchable, but it wasn't as big on it compared to the other ones. But motion picture, Rathakon, search for Spock. I couldn't tell you how many times I've seen those.

[00:25:55] Actually, a while back here, I ended up going to a mini Trek marathon where they're showing Star Trek 2, 3 and 4 in the theater back to back. In between a couple of movies changes, actually that was the same thing.

[00:26:14] They made an announcement about that, but it was kind of sad, but still kind of a good memory. Thinking back of what she did for Trek and all that. Her character is always great. Yes, definitely expired a lot.

[00:26:33] Plus I thought her character was freaking great in the entirety of the series. I always really felt bad of the original series episode. This was the same episode that ended up being the basis for the,

[00:26:47] it was kind of a rewrite turned into the motion picture, but the Nomad episode, her memory got erased in that one. I always felt really bad about that. I always felt like I was in the middle of the series.

[00:27:03] I always felt really bad about that, not that they really kept it too much after that. Also took me a while to get a dinner prize. It took me a while to get into that show. I did finally give it a go.

[00:27:24] There's things I liked about it, but all in all, I think it was probably the weakest of the Trek series I've watched. Plus they really changed distances a lot in that. It didn't make much sense, but there was a lot of things I really liked about the show.

[00:27:45] I thought I had a few decent characters. I was kind of interested to see the early federation being put together. And they can't always beat people up. Yeah. So that was kind of nice. And then from that point, I'll try to remember what was next after that.

[00:28:15] Oh yeah, the next gen movies. Those, all in all, I liked them all. I'd have to say probably my favorite out of them was First Contact and Insurrection. I really liked Insurrection a lot, but was not a favorite with a lot of people.

[00:28:34] Generations I liked, but the thing I hated about generations, they killed Kirk off. Yeah. They could have easily kept to go. That's why it divides people. Wow. There's actually, I haven't read a lot of Star Trek novels, but there were a few I read

[00:28:55] that were based around that timeframe where Shatner actually did survive, and it was about adjusting into the, into that world. Yeah. The Shatner has returned. Yeah. The return is what they were calling. Shatner has fallen. Shatner has risen. They're kind of, I thought they were fairly entertaining.

[00:29:15] But yeah, probably my ranking out of the next generation movies is going to be 2, 3, 2, 3, 1 for this as far as the order that I like them up. I mean, I did like the last one they did there, but it was basically Star Trek, Arthurian legend. Yeah, essentially it.

[00:29:39] But it was kind of fun. I was a little soiled on that one though because by roommate at the time, he somehow got a hold of a script copy of that before the movie hit.

[00:29:53] So he's constantly going on and on about it, which was weird anyway, because he was not a big Trek fan anyway. He's a big comic book nerd, but he was not a Trek fan. So he go on about that.

[00:30:04] And then when we finally went to see the movie, he'd be going on, oh yeah, they did this different there or such and such and stuff. So it's kind of annoying. It's like dude. I'm not big on spoilers.

[00:30:17] And then out of the newer stuff they put up, I haven't seen any of the lower deck stuff. I've heard it's good. Looks interesting. I'll check it out at some point. Picard been meaning to watch that, but haven't been able to get down to watch that.

[00:30:34] Probably and by saying when I do finally get down to set to watch it, I'll be able to watch stuff without waiting for the next episode. There you go. But on the downside that would mean pretty much the series is dead by the time of year

[00:30:48] around to watching it, but watch the first couple of seasons of Discovery. And I thought it was fun. Second season, I liked a lot more where they're setting up a pike was in it. I still got to watch his series.

[00:31:03] Haven't watched that yet, but I definitely am planning on it because I really liked what he did with the character. Absolutely. I thought they put that down pretty good. Wonderful. So that's probably about all I have to say for now anyway. Paul is left as Mark.

[00:31:20] All right, we're beaming in John into the critics corner. I hope you got time. I'll go in ascending order here for TV shows. So coming in at three stars out of five, Picard and Discovery. I feel like both of those being modern tracks a bit inconsistent.

[00:31:44] They change radically from season to season and that smacks of a show that doesn't quite know what it wants to be yet. And it's still trying to find its voice, but they're quality productions, even though they frustrate me a lot. I think Enterprise is underappreciated when it's good.

[00:32:04] It's really good when it's bad. It's bad. So they come in at three and a half. Also at three and a half, the animated series. I have a lot of love for Star Trek, the animated series, but they were cut short.

[00:32:15] I feel like there was so much more to do and they really could have landed it. But again, very inconsistent. Stranger Worlds four stars out of five. They're brand new. They're brand new. They've only had 20 episodes so far. A couple of those have been clunkers.

[00:32:33] And I kind of wonder what happened to Pike in season two. This is not around very much, but overall it's a really well produced show with a lot of great characters. Prodigy coming in also at four stars.

[00:32:46] Great, great show has one of my all time favorite Star Trek episodes ever, which is All the Worlds Stage by Aaron Waltke. That is a fantastic must watch episode by anyone. But again, it's cut a little bit short. We've only had 20 episodes. Season two is in production now.

[00:33:04] We'll premiere relatively soon. And I hope they get up to a five star out of five for me. I think they will, but I think they're just not there yet because we haven't had a lot. They need to tell more of the story. Voyager second half of Voyager.

[00:33:21] Amazing first half of Voyager bit at Rocky. They get a nice four stars. They get a nice solid four stars. Same with DS9. DS9 took a long time for them to find their footing.

[00:33:32] I think the secondary cast in DS9 is better very often than the stars of the show. But again, a solid four. No question about it. All right. Coming in at five, lower decks because they kill it not only because it's hilarious, but they actually do the drama.

[00:33:52] They actually do character stories that are meaningful and some of the best character stories that have been told on Star Trek. So they get five. I hope Mike can actually live out his plan of doing eight seasons because that's what he's written. His eight seasons worth.

[00:34:08] TNG kind of the gold standard. They get five out of five, even though there's a lot of really clunky episodes in there, especially in the first half. And then the original series. They kind of have to get five because they set the standard. They set the tone.

[00:34:26] And yeah, you need a little bit of, I guess, sort of cultural orientation to go into a show that's nearly 60 years old. But it's great. It's really solid. It's fun.

[00:34:39] And there's something really nice about watching a show that isn't trying to be too clever for its own good. And that's the problem that I have with a lot of modern shows. See also the bottom of my list, Picard and Star Trek Discovery.

[00:34:53] Something really refreshing about a show that is just very earnest and sincere and thoughtful with the stories that it's trying to tell, even when they get them wrong. It's okay. Move on to the next week. New story. Yep.

[00:35:07] Go to the ones you love as opposed to cling on to the bed. Exactly. Exactly. And you know what? I like yet there are all kinds of non-intentional pun cling on. There are all kinds of shots you can take at the original series, buddy.

[00:35:23] It's sort of like if you love baseball, but you're like, oh, but I hate Nicki Mantle or Babe Ruth. Like what are you talking about? Those are the people who like they set the standard. Oh, I love rock and roll, but I hate the Beatles.

[00:35:40] Like get out of here. Just stop trying to be too cool. That's the reason that you're here. All right. Let's talk about movies though. Okay. Movies I'm going to do in descending order. There you go. Change this up a little bit here. All right. Five stars.

[00:35:59] Star Trek, the motion picture. It is much maligned. It is underappreciated. It is misunderstood. That new 4K director's cut is nothing short of a miracle. It is remarkable to be able to remake that movie the way they did.

[00:36:15] And it is the most true to the tone, the philosophy, the heart of Star Trek has some of my favorite moments in all of Star Trek. So again, if you need a little orientation to get into it, fine, but you really need

[00:36:30] to stick it out and watch that movie. Also at five stars, Star Trek, the undiscovered country. Star Trek six. Beautiful wrap up just a tight well told story. Beautiful send off to that cast. Also at number five, the Wrath of Khan.

[00:36:48] I think it is maybe the least Star Trek of the movies, but it is an incredible movie that is told very well with a lot of just efficiency, high drama. It's wonderful to watch.

[00:37:03] It's just fun and I've seen it more than any other Star Trek movie hands down. Four stars, the voyage home. It's fun. It can't help be but fun. Also fun at four stars, first contact.

[00:37:16] It's a haunted house movie in space and we get fun character moments with our lead characters. So why not? Also at four stars, here's an odd one, Star Trek beyond. I think they landed it with their third outing of the JJ Abrams cast

[00:37:34] because they just did an episode. They just like we're going to get right into the story. They're in space. They're doing cool stuff. We're just going to do an episode of Star Trek. I thought they did it really nicely. Three and a half stars, search for Spock.

[00:37:50] I think it's dependent on Star Trek II and Star Trek IV, but it is an overlooked underappreciated movie. Also at three and a half stars generations, a lot of problems with that movie. But one of the problems is not Malcolm McDowell

[00:38:07] and one of the problems is not the director of photography. I think that movie looks beautiful. Oh yeah, shot really nicely, right? Three and a half stars, insurrection again, like not a great movie, but they did an episode. They just did a really great episode of next gen.

[00:38:25] So insurrection quite good. All right, we're going to lower it down a little bit here. Three stars, three stars, final frontier. Star Trek V, the final frontier is a very poorly made very good Star Trek movie. So sit on that, if you will.

[00:38:43] No, I know what you mean. It would work as an episode. It's just as a movie, you're like Shudder. It is not a well produced or well directed movie, but it is a thoughtful movie that was like right up Gene Roddenberry's alley.

[00:38:55] You know, should have been better than it was. Two stars, Star Trek Nemesis. Poor way to send off that cast. Yeah, it just it really was. Wait, I got to flip it. Three stars actually Star Trek 2009, the first JJ Abrams movie. I think it's just solid.

[00:39:18] Like it doesn't wow me with the story, but I think the casting is great. It was a good way to reboot Star Trek. Many flaws, but it's just solid. It earns its three. Okay. So yeah, two Nemesis and I'm sorry,

[00:39:34] but it's zero stars is the second JJ Abrams movie Star Trek into darkness. A movie that just makes me angry every time that I yeah, every time that I think about that that movie even got made, it just makes me full of rage.

[00:39:50] So zero stars and no more. That's the one where they re-cold con story, right? Oh, no, no, no, no. It's not con, Gil. It's John Harrison. It's somebody you've never heard of who has nothing to do with a legacy Star Trek character.

[00:40:07] He's the dude playing the dude disguised as another dude. Disguise is another dude. Exactly, exactly. Yeah, that's awesome. Okay, man, you wiped the floor here today. So there you go. Man, all right. Now I'll be judging everybody else's choices. All right, the animals are in.

[00:40:27] So, Sarah, I'm going to let you take off with your ranking. Check the blast off. Okay, I'll start with the shows. Start with number one. Next, Jen, because I have a special place in my heart for it. Then deep, I'd say deep space nine next.

[00:40:45] I think I always thought DS9 was interesting because it was, not everyone who reports to Cisco is Starfleet, which is interesting. Just also Kira might be my favorite Star Trek character. Nice. And all the Dominion stuff, you have Cisco kind of walking some ethically gray lines

[00:41:06] just all around good stuff. I'm a Garrick and Quark, everything. Next, I think I'm going to say Voyager, Jane Wayne Seven. And I think then I think TOS, then I'm going to say Stranger Worlds. I just, I really love what they're doing.

[00:41:29] I love their takes on the characters. I think that they do a good job of showing the characters at an earlier kind of stage of development. So they're not just imitating previous performances. They're kind of showing where they were before the point

[00:41:47] that we're used to seeing them at. And it's just a fun show. They have a musical and they have a fantasy episode. Still waiting on that college humor recut. Then Lower Decks, also just so much fun. So many callbacks for fans.

[00:42:09] I think they just really nail the humor and they just get it. Like they just get what people love about Trek and about like next-gen era Trek specifically. Then I'm going to say Enterprise, which I enjoyed. It's not my favorite, but I enjoyed it.

[00:42:29] And the Animated Series, which same thing. It's not like it was fun. It's cheesy at times for sure. But fun. Oh, and Disco. I forgot Disco. Where would I put Disco? Is that what we're calling it now? It's a discovery. I'd say probably, I don't know, maybe Tide.

[00:42:48] Tide with Strange New Worlds. I'd put Discovery. I just, I really like Michael Burnham a lot as a character. And I just, I love seeing her evolution. Seeing from where she's at in the first season, everyone thinks of her as this like near and she's kind

[00:43:05] of having to prove herself and kind of trying to still figure out who she is. And she still has so much of this like history being raised with Vulcans, but also trying to kind of find her humanity and seeing where she is now and how she's evolved.

[00:43:20] It's been a fun journey for movies. I'll start with TOS movies. It's saying number one is Rap of Con. Just that scene, Spock's Dex scene is, I mean, I have been and always shall be your friend. That's one of the most heartbreaking scenes in all of movies, honestly.

[00:43:43] I think kind of revisited it into darkness very badly, but still. Look, don't cut this, okay? We're just, we're not going to go there. All right. Then probably, probably motion picture. It just, I agree. I think it just, it feels very Star Trek. It feels very TOS.

[00:44:10] And I'm going to say Undiscovered Country, I think could be next. Yeah, I think I'm going to say Undiscovered Country, Voyage Home and Final Frontier. Is that your final answer? I think that is my final answer. Yeah. All right. What's next up?

[00:44:35] Yeah, for the Kelvin movies, I don't know. I'm going to say they're tied. As far as just my own personal enjoyment of them, if you're ranking like actual quality of them, I would go into more detail, but as far as my own just personal enjoyment of them,

[00:44:52] I just, I didn't get into them as much. I tried and I rewatched them a couple of times and I just couldn't get into them as much. For next-gen movies, I think First Contact. I just, I love seeing the crew meet Seth Rancocque,

[00:45:11] seeing them nerd out about it is so much fun. Seeing him in this different light, like when we see him in TOS, he's this kind of like much more serene, like lofty scientist and see him like playing rock music

[00:45:26] and just like this different, I liked that version of him. It was a lot of fun. Then probably Insurrection, I'm going to say next. Then Generations. It's fun to see obviously the crews together. Kirk does die, which is sad,

[00:45:47] but I thought it was a good send-off for him. He dies heroically and kind of as like a formal kind of, I guess, barrier between the TOS era and the next-gen era. As far as the movies go, I think it was a good way to do it.

[00:46:05] Then Nemesis. All right. I think that's everything. For now. For now. I'll say Prodigy. I'm going to say Prodigy is probably tied with Loredex. Frozen Con. I'm going to say Prodigy is probably tied with Loredex. Frozen Con. Yeah. Well, it's almost tied, I'd say.

[00:46:28] I do enjoy Loredex a bit more, but I like the characters in Prodigy. It's being aimed at kids. I think it did a good job of that without being like it. It still feels like Star Trek, but it's a good, I think, entry point.

[00:46:46] The characters are fun and it's fun to see kind of this idea of what the Federation is about from the perspective of these kids who haven't really experienced it firsthand yet. Everyone's got a window. Something to worry about.

[00:47:00] You've got an R-rated cartoon and you've got a kid's cartoon. Perfect. All right. Teresa, I'm going to let you go next at the bridge, at the ready. Yeah. I think I'm going to start by saying I declined to rate the movies. Oh. It's not the movies. It's me.

[00:47:19] I'm a terrible viewer of the films. Like as a casual viewer of the series who didn't watch every episode, I always felt like I was missing something from the show that would enable me to understand the movies. Interesting.

[00:47:34] So what stands out are First Contact and the Kelvin Timeline movies, but otherwise I'm going to say that I had trouble following plots and declined to rate the movies. As far as the TV episodes go,

[00:47:48] there are shining moments in each series where I felt like I understood what was going on and there are memorable whole storylines. See, with the original series, I would rank it a four because it's kind of comic booky and it's characterizations and the acting is theatrical.

[00:48:06] The writing got a lot better later, but it has that wonderful feeling of going on an adventure and it's easy to jump in and watch week to week. The animated series, I would rate a three. It didn't stay in my memory really well,

[00:48:20] but I think relatively for a cartoon, the writing was much more deeper than a lot of animated TV shows. Next Gen is a solid five. The writing had really gotten better and the cast has the most cohesion. They feel like a family more than the other casts,

[00:48:38] I think, for working together there are story arcs like Data and his brother, Laura, and Data's quest for humanity and emotional expression. I just generally like Next Generation the best is the one I grew up on.

[00:48:53] The Space Nine, I will say, is a three because I haven't seen enough of it. I always watch the first season and I find it compelling for the cast being in more conflict with each other. It seemed really dark compared to the other Star Trek series

[00:49:08] and I also like their debate on science versus religion. That's it, I'm a terrible Star Trek viewer. Thank you. You landed the shuttle, but it had a few rough round the edges landing there. Wrong answers, I love that. I give you a rating. Five stars for her ratings.

[00:49:28] Five stars for that one episode. I rank her ratings number three in my range. Okay, you. All right, Oliver, I'm going to let you go. You've long overdue. Captain's of the ring.

[00:49:40] I think in series breads, there's a very kind of common trope in Star Trek series is what I call the first two seasons disease. Yes. Which with the exception of the original series, every series, the first two seasons seemed to be awful.

[00:49:55] But in a series breadth, I would say that the best Star Trek series is the Space Nine. And then the Star Trek world. It was forced to do something different, which I found very refreshing.

[00:50:07] It also gave us the greatest character that Star Trek ever produced in my opinion outside of the regular cast, which is a Garrick. 100% on Garrick Oliver you are smart. We agree.

[00:50:20] You know, Q started off malevolent and then became a comic comedy figure. So that's kind of why I'm not including him in this. But Garrick, I think was a fantastic.

[00:50:30] Edition small plug for my for my own podcast, which is called 78 episodes 30 good ones, which was reviewing all of the original series episodes.

[00:50:41] It's coat classic. You can't go wrong. I think for the 60s it was era defy was defining and it bucked the trend for we all know the great greatest episodes that the TOS did. I'm always a big fan of ones that are underrated.

[00:51:00] The first season of taste of Armageddon second season has been mentioned before is metamorphosis third season gets a bad rap. It's awful. Don't get me wrong but it's not that you remember.

[00:51:12] And an excellent episode and the third third season, apart from the obvious, which is the enterprise incident is one called specter of the gun. I think that their use their lack of budget made that a better episode. So I love next generation of course.

[00:51:33] It gave me the next generation gave me the best episode. The Star Trek is ever done in my particular estimation, which is one called Darmock. Just a fantastic episode. Here's the Darmock and Jalad. Yes. Really.

[00:51:51] I was going to say that the Darmock and Jalad at tenagra. Yeah, speaking in speaking metaphor, I thought that was just fantastic. The other series. Voyager, I think the problem with voyager always was is the cast was the worst.

[00:52:09] I think Robert Beltran wasn't interested in Star Trek right from the get go. Garrett Wang was terrible. I think he hated Jennifer Lee in a disservice by treating her that her character that way. So voyager had its hits and misses. I enterprise.

[00:52:32] Oh God enterprise enterprise was very, I could have got I would have thought that enterprise was made in the 60s because it was very male gaze very Jolyne Blalock was what was she there for just for people to stare at and for them to

[00:52:50] Unfortunately, Rick Berman was very pervy back then. Yeah, yeah. I think I, I enjoyed strange new worlds. I won't mention the other two. Because I hated them.

[00:53:09] As for movies, I would make the argument that wrath of con is not only the greatest Star Trek movie. It is one of the greatest science fiction movies ever. I would put that in the top 10 along with close encounters and Empire strikes back in 2001.

[00:53:27] The greatest thing about about Rathakon is between Montalbann and Shatner. There is a buffet of scenery chewing and I just, I am completely here for it.

[00:53:43] Again, I undiscovered country has got the same thing is that Christopher Plummer and and William Shatner who came out of the same theater about an hour down the road from me.

[00:53:56] It is a golden corral of scenery chewing it is it is unbelievable and that's what makes it good. The other thing I should point out is that they were both done by Nick Meyer. Nick Meyer, Nick Meyer for being an outsider. Nick Meyer is he got it.

[00:54:13] Like he got Star Trek for being an outsider something that I don't think JJ Abrams or Alex Kurt Kurtzman can say. Nick Meyer got it. He's a filmmaker first, tracking second.

[00:54:26] And if you watch time after time which was kind of the movie that put Nick Meyer on the map. And it's about HG Wells. It was very, very good. As bad goes nemesis is a dumpster fire. I mean, before, come on people.

[00:54:46] I am not a fan of the motion picture. I understand that it's kind of grown in stature as it has aged.

[00:54:57] But I read the greatest review about it once and I'll try and quote it as accurate as accurately as I can, in the fact that someone wrote, it's about a lot of people in beige outfits who are in very bad moods.

[00:55:13] I thought that was a great kind of kind of for cynical. Yeah, but it but if you watch it, I mean, it's, it has its problems. And it of course is a, a, I'm going to say a take off on an original series episode called the changeling.

[00:55:35] I don't know why they chose that. I don't know. But I would absolutely go deep for the new watcher deep space nine original series and and next generation, you can't go wrong just to just in the case of of deep space nine and

[00:55:55] next generation don't hold the first two seasons against them. Because it gets better.

[00:56:04] And for TOS third season is the slog some of the episodes are just I unbelievably bad, but search out the enterprise incident and specter of the gun I think you'll find that the third season, and, and this may be a hot take the one with Mary at heartly in it.

[00:56:25] The second the last one tomorrow was yesterday. I think that was what it was. All are yes, all are yesterday's. Okay, yeah, not bad. That's the one with spark falls in love wasn't it. Yes, yes.

[00:56:39] Okay, not not not great but good but apart from that that's kind of where I kind of stand in in the Star Trek universe. He stomped.

[00:56:52] Okay, me so he stomped anyway so Jen, you can go next. The movies that really stick out to me are one of the whales, because it's just for it's so weird and silly and it feels like something they could have done on the original series, if they had a much bigger budget.

[00:57:07] So that really appealed to me there and the next generation movie that sticks in my head is first contact, because it was the people that we know being nerds about the other people we know.

[00:57:19] So it really felt like it tied the universe is together in that regard. Yeah, I liked the J. J. Abrams move like they were fun movies. They didn't feel very star trekking to me.

[00:57:30] It was enjoyable but not good star trek. So for the shows, top of my list would be space nine. It was at the time when they could really start to get really open about transgender metaphors with the trills lower decks would be on my top of my list too because points out how silly some of the star trek is you

[00:57:51] would be like, I don't know what this is. Not knowing any of the references and still think wow that was a good episode of whatever this looks.

[00:57:59] And the same thing with prodigy where it's it loves what it is. It knows all the weird things about star trek and it just loves it and shows you how great it is.

[00:58:12] And it goes completely in the opposite direction of to ask where it's like, we're going to be dark constantly and do a little bit of silly stuff for once in a while.

[00:58:22] And they told one story for the whole season and I think they did very well around discovery would be voyager for me. It has a lot of problems.

[00:58:32] It suffers from the writers forgetting about things one episode to another, but individual episodes are good. I've been calling it star trek ready bunch. It takes people who should never have been a family and they force them to get along probably next generation be next.

[00:58:57] That was my star track I love it less it's more serious than the original series but it still has that same. Here's the issue of the week we're going to deal with it silly stuff is going to happen.

[00:59:08] And that's where I put the OS to around like, four stars. It's just fun. And it takes serious issues, but does them in a fun and colorful way. Yeah, this absolutely zero budget.

[00:59:27] And it would tell good stories. And that's, I think really telling how good it is shows I don't like as much are I love strange new worlds.

[00:59:39] But I don't feel like it is succeeding in what it's trying to do. Like, I, it doesn't know whether it wants to be silly or serious in the space of one episode sometimes enterprise was good.

[00:59:54] And the archer kept chasing me off with all his terrible decisions about, like, hey, let's take my dog to this planet. I don't care if you don't have a prime directive don't take it. Yeah, common sense. Keep the dog on the deck.

[01:00:09] Let's don't let your dog pee on that important.

[01:00:13] And Picard is definitely near the bottom of my list. I enjoyed it. But there was no need to bring back characters just to kill them off from next generation, like, every time they brought someone back like, where are they going to kill them now.

[01:00:31] And the answer is usually yes, just to further the plot, not really to wrap up their stories that much. I feel you are next to beam up to the bridge. I'll start with the first series move up.

[01:00:43] Star Trek, of course, it's the original it's the first it's got what cute everybody's interest. Who's always gives it.

[01:00:50] Yeah, I'd give that a five and it had some really top notch episodes of course yeah I did have some bad episodes as well but you know it's like guardian.

[01:00:59] I'm not getting the titles right but guardians. What is it guardian of forever storyline with Edith Keeler. That was a good story arena there's the submarine type one where he's in a combat with Romulans.

[01:01:14] Yeah, so yeah, I do terror balance of terror and I give that a five. Moving on to next generation. Yeah, it's like what was said before you know the first two seasons, you know a lot of these shows didn't hit their stride till the third season.

[01:01:32] You know especially for the ones that ran for seven years. Yeah. But yeah next generation when that best of both worlds story came along.

[01:01:42] I just kicked it into high gear for me for liking it even more and I give that a five as well. Deep Space Nine. Well, I'll get that a five because that's my favorite of all of them.

[01:01:52] I, you know, kept Captain Cisco and there was a storyline where, you know when I had the Dominion war going on, and he's trying to convince this Romulan commander to join them and he actually, you know, he, he lies to get the job done.

[01:02:09] And I said he'd do it again. And that's not something you would have ever seen before that. Yeah, very groundbreaking. Yeah. So then and Voyager. That was no at least favorite I'd have to say of all of them. I give that maybe a three.

[01:02:27] Yeah, because it looks, you know when they, when they kicked him off into the Delta Quadrant they, they kind of took him away from all the things that made Star Trek, you know really work.

[01:02:37] And I had to try to bring back some of those elements in some way or another as they went along. Enterprise. I wanted to like it. And I did, especially that fourth season.

[01:02:52] Yeah, it was really starting to get good. But of course it didn't get the ratings in so it didn't go beyond that.

[01:02:59] It was to me like they were going to get their fourth season that seemed like when they were hitting their stride. That's when we wait till discovery shows up right.

[01:03:06] And yeah, they, I don't think they knew what they wanted to do with that when they started they gave it a 10 year before Kirk, you know timeline, they just kind of jumped all over the place with it they didn't know what they wanted to do it.

[01:03:19] And I don't want to give any spoilers to anyone here who hasn't seen it. Yeah. But he for that and then strange new worlds are lower decks came first in it before strange new worlds. Yes.

[01:03:35] I really enjoy it the humor in that is really, really good. And it really does cater to the fans which you know there's nothing wrong with that.

[01:03:46] And I really enjoy it and strange new worlds. I think I like it. It's kind of, I always wanted to know more about pike and number one and you know their stories and stuff like that.

[01:03:56] And I'm just glad to see that come into this and I kind of enjoy where they're going with it so far. Nice.

[01:04:02] That Picard Picard. Yeah, they were jumping around each season. You weren't sure where they were going with it. I did enjoy the last season of course for obvious reasons.

[01:04:11] Prodigy. Oh, Prodigy. I enjoyed it. But I did want to know, you know, okay what happened to Jacode what you know in the storylines and stuff like that where you know, Jacode takes a ship out and these people find the ship and you're like, okay, what happened to Jacode?

[01:04:25] I still kind of still want to know what happened with that. And then for the movies, you know, the first movie the motion picture wanted to like it and you know they could have, you know, all the movies that could have taken stuff from they took it from 2001 space Odyssey with how

[01:04:39] the audience seemed to be especially, you know, when they're long trip through VEGER. It just seemed to drag in my opinion. Ratham Khan that's a favorite.

[01:04:53] I really like that one. It kind of has elements from Balance of Terror and it and that it's like a sub submarine battle in space kind of thing. I give that a three. The way Shat says it. Small or con. No, there you go.

[01:05:12] Okay, so three and then four, four was a good one. I liked it even though kind of hokey, you know, with them traveling back in time and trying to save the whales, so to speak, or restart the whales I should say five.

[01:05:26] It fell flat. That would probably be a two on my scale. And then, and then six the undiscovered country I like that one again.

[01:05:35] Somebody brought up Nick Meyer as Nicholas Myers. Yes. Yeah. So yeah, those two four and six are my favorites. I'm not sure Nicholas Myers only had involvement with two and six.

[01:05:49] I'm not a consultant on discovery but yeah he's mainly been a big sci-fi and mystery filmmaker. Generations fell flat for me I was kind of unhappy with it.

[01:06:01] It felt like there's so much they could have done and it didn't really move the way I hoped it would. I didn't like the way they killed off Kirk first contact now I enjoyed first contact and it had some flaws in it but I like that time travel story and it involved the board.

[01:06:16] I guess of all the next generation movies that would probably be my favorite. You know, I'd give that not a five necessarily but a four.

[01:06:23] Yes, the return of the Jedi installment I call it. Seven Samurai save the village. Yeah, it was like somebody else said it was like a next generation episode more than a movie and I'd be probably a three on that one.

[01:06:37] Nemesis was kind of was a big misstep with shins on and the clone of Picard. Oh boy, that acting. I did like in 2009 the new Star Trek way too many lens flares but I liked it. Oh, Aaron's losing it now.

[01:06:55] I didn't like maybe necessarily the speed at which they moved through him going through you know because joining Starfleet through the Academy that all of a sudden you know he's captain of a starship you know at the end of that and then

[01:07:06] Then darkness which is that's the one with the yeah and then beyond is the Yeah, I'm on beyond. Yeah, it was beyond was okay but yeah I'd give that up. I'd give that a three.

[01:07:20] I don't really have a lot to say about it. I mean it was all right. Cliff and Aaron, you were up on the roster and then the prosecutors will close this out and I will then put the final line in the sand.

[01:07:34] I'm not interested in the time for the listeners at home. We've said combine our ratings because it's a wonderful idea, but what I'll do is I'll either throw a quote or a little commentary. Okay, there you go.

[01:07:46] All right, so first off the original series. It was each episode was its own self contained thing dealt with great issues and a light hearted way almost and yeah, I had the Gorn getting taken down to the double axiom it'll be great fighting style.

[01:08:03] Much better than the MMA style fight.

[01:08:09] But then next up I would say would be the next generation of course which kind of which kind of peaks in the middle, I would say at this point they're starting to apply arcs and things like that so kind of holds your interest but it hasn't gotten heavy on the

[01:08:23] And it has the best character in human that's ever been in probably yeah. What's he taught us how to read. Yeah, oh my goodness. Benefit.

[01:08:35] Um, so then I would probably say deep space nine would be next the only the only issue I have with deep space nine I think they had a nice arc in there but everything was very dark and serious and you know and then they had court and what what the hell is with for I don't know if I really like

[01:08:56] work. Because you know they paint for any is a certain way and all of a sudden here's quark and he presents us this most enlightened for any of all time and he's a bartender I don't know what he's doing.

[01:09:08] Anyways, and then let's see as far as series are concerned, I would say enterprise is next they returned to the light heartedness wasn't too serious whatever I could get into it you know and yeah, Yeah, sad space back you know. Yeah okay yeah.

[01:09:26] A Voyager maybe comes after that it's kind of like okay you guys keep moving on with this thing. I don't know maybe I'm getting a little bored you're in the delta or where are they now to clubbing.

[01:09:37] Yeah, which is I I like because I thought it brought you had to bring it back and someone had mentioned like, yeah just start, you know kind of incorporating characters and plots and you know races from the other

[01:09:49] Yeah, they're trying it's like an art. I didn't like all of a sudden they were like oh we're gonna recreate the magic of the first one, but you know it's like this is the only series in which they don't find some way to either travel through time or travel across the

[01:10:03] universe, you know in some absurd way so the hologram doctor which is great red dwarf sort of yeah not and yeah chain way who was in Remo Williams adventure content. Yeah, we're getting really geeky here. Here's the ultimate key cast. So see what other things are whether they're

[01:10:22] We haven't seen the new one right yeah we haven't seen a card.

[01:10:25] I fell apart after like the second you know I just couldn't but they make pizzas that's fun. Yeah okay alright so yeah by the by the second season of hard I was not I couldn't I couldn't hang with it.

[01:10:38] Discovery was kind of the same way I had to force myself to watch it and then finally I was just like alright everyone's crying all the time. How is this a battle ready group of people I mean emotions are taking front stage here.

[01:10:52] So I didn't really like the dramatic element of that. And then I guess, you know on the movies because I would I would go discovery at the low. So the best movie would have been.

[01:11:05] Oh man, when I was a kid I would have said Star Trek the motion picture followed by star Trek three, followed by wrath of con three. My vote from that one is you green blooded son of a bitch. It feels racist.

[01:11:23] I love that play but now I would say okay so wrath of con was just an excellent synonymous product. I don't want to talk about chewing scenery. Everyone knows the con line but yeah, no at this point like to lose.

[01:11:38] It's hard to go. It's hard to figure out what's next because I could say voyage home because that was just that was already like character interaction it was it was clear aluminum a lot of slaps that it was great

[01:11:51] Yeah, I mean it's just full of great jokes but then also at the same time I want to go back to the motion picture because that was an excellent. It stands by itself it's they're wearing completely different stuff everything looks different.

[01:12:06] But it's it's got this wonderful cinematic quality you have this mystery it's but it's like something you can kind of understand you know this comes back self aware and it's looking for its creator okay that's

[01:12:18] easy and because it's based on you know the voyage or spacecraft from earth. Yeah, I can constantly go feature whenever it's just a new I know love to solar.

[01:12:27] I love that and you know the ending you know I they kind of they could have wrapped that one better. Let's see here and then I would I would definitely put the undiscovered country. I would have done discovery. Yeah, well no that's that's That's never come to Shakespeare.

[01:12:51] Six says yeah, I could real money if he does everyone. Yeah, there's anyone is everyone have a PhD in literature and you know in this time basically yeah yeah so the president's men took a trap.

[01:13:05] It was a good yarn, you know it had some great mystery or detective story elements like sci fi trope it's not just Star Trek but it'll start track does it a lot where they name two things that we know and a third one just to seem like you know they're

[01:13:20] not my favorite composers are Mozart Beethoven and sweet flop. It can get a little pretenses at times. No one knows. Have you ever heard Hamlet in the in the original cling on original cling on. Yeah, it's okay. Yeah, I did. I'm going to get sued for that.

[01:13:46] And then beyond that, let's see here is all the original ones. Yeah and then three of course as a it finishes off you know we get spot back that's wonderful I know but I would have put that like up at the top before but now it's closer to the bottom for those.

[01:13:59] And then finally we've got the five which was yeah smart spellings. Yeah, why is he climbing the mountain but you know it was it was like a great theme but executed kind of horribly.

[01:14:17] And I don't think they drove at home it was like a little too pretentious and spiritual I don't know anyways anyone on to so so the next generation I don't really I guess first contact was okay.

[01:14:29] The guy says that'll do pig right. Yeah, my confusing. Yeah, yeah, that's a different movie but same guy. So first contact would have probably been my favorite generations I don't know it's kind of disappointed but first contact.

[01:14:47] I don't know that because and then life. Yeah, and then it drops off for me I didn't I didn't really care much about insurrection or nemesis well never said had Tom Hardy everything I know that's the same a good thing and because it just sort of seemed like extra episodes to next generation.

[01:15:06] And by that point you know I was really like, I don't really care about these characters too much anymore I mean they can go off and retire I don't know whatever. And then let's see oh the new word the reboots. I loved the first reboot.

[01:15:21] I thought that was great it was very I kind of like the flares but I got sick of them. It was. I like it, but it drives me crazy. It was fast.

[01:15:34] Good and small amounts. It was fast paced and I actually did like into darkness because I love Benedict Cumberbatch.

[01:15:42] But that's all I'll say about that and I there is one scene in there where there's a stare off between Chris Pine and Benedict Cumberbatch like I kind of like.

[01:15:50] I do like that they really obviously gave some thought like who is this generation's Ricardo Montalbán who here has a really amazing name. Yeah, right that's probably how he got there only you know they were they were preaching notice about the military industrial complex.

[01:16:05] I sure it wasn't because he played Sherlock Holmes really close anyway. I didn't review the only thing you skipped and that I want to add on not in a space but just something to mention is the animated series.

[01:16:16] Yeah, because there's a lot too much but it was the few I've watched great. It's not it's it's amazingly awful but it's well now but what I mean the production quality is awful.

[01:16:27] Oh, but there is and just an absolutely incredible series of shorts that are on social media used to be the former Twitter and yeah and it's called swear trek if you just do a search you'll find it. Oh my God.

[01:16:41] The same guy who does F and birds but it's much easier to do with the in made series where he can have them say very inappropriate things. Yeah, and she's just one liner. She can save her gifs I don't really care.

[01:16:52] I'm looking those up and then all I use them so much you know it'll be like they'll be like someone will be talking to the screen and they'll just look over and we'll go look at this, you know a word that you know that's great.

[01:17:05] And it's swear trek and it's just amazing it's kind of like the prequels for Star Wars it's like it's so bad you get so many memes and yeah fun.

[01:17:15] That's one moment of TV is going to be there. So that's my only addition but yeah I was curious where your range is going to be but thank you. Yeah, alright, right. Yeah.

[01:17:25] And then the new stuff I never saw it because I was so disappointed we literally just found out about a prodigy. So it's a Chico tails like great. Nice. You fool. All right let's hear from the prosecution always closes their argument if I defend so as closest.

[01:17:55] You should be glad I wanted to go at all still fucking angry I lost in your fucking show. Well you should have been.

[01:18:02] It was a good effort if you were right you might have won. All right so man and I are going to tag this and we're going to start with the TV shows or work our way up so the original series what do you think one star.

[01:18:14] That's my favorite really is five stars for the original series. I like low fi sci-fi like so I'm not really a tricky but I'm a fan of like lost in space and all the jewels Vern movie Harry house and so like low special effects make up especially is great so I like the

[01:18:33] I like the triple.

[01:18:38] The best thing about Star Trek that you know so all right stars for me well then I know you also like the the anime series that's next then what was yours are you well I give a five stars come on to see which I'm going to get.

[01:18:51] All right okay I was making jokes before but I am going to give the anime series four stars now the animation is bad you're totally right what but it is it's cheap who cares it's cheap and you get all the original voice actors so think of it like a radio play from back in

[01:19:07] the day with all the original actors except you get kind of a crappy visual aid you know just just close your eyes and listen to it like who cares.

[01:19:15] And when the episodes aren't just complete retreads of the original series episodes there's that there's a couple little cool moments where they had like three things and yes triples again. I might even go to 4.5. 4.5. I'm you got me at a firm 4.2. Oh my God. I'm sorry.

[01:19:33] So if a triple not in it you're not gonna like. Well that's why he's going up in all space nine.

[01:19:38] No, it's a triple privilege you get it's a bonus so better for having so then we gotta move on to the next generation I know you love Tasha Yard but you know she's not in it that long I'm sorry.

[01:19:48] I've only seen a few episodes I fell in love with Tasha Yard he told me they're gonna fire her and I said well I'm not watching the show.

[01:19:56] And he never did but let me tell you something next generation standard of Star Trek that is six stars I'm breaking the scale.

[01:20:08] But I have to abstain from rating this because I have only seen like three so it's not my kind of show because it is more political it is more talking there's a little bit adventure but where are the monsters.

[01:20:19] I like those big technical monsters in the first episode. Well I mean okay there aren't as many monsters when we have episodes like inner light measure of a man. Those things are very very good.

[01:20:29] All right let's keep moving in the interest of time so after the next generation we're moving on to was that the Voyager let's do Voyager then we can do these things.

[01:20:36] You know so Voyager I give Voyager a solid three to four the thing about Voyagers is kind of like Diet Coke.

[01:20:43] The worst episode of Voyagers not as bad as the worst episode of TNG but the best episode of Voyagers not as best as the best episode of TNG. It's just right in the middle middle you know a good show to put on on a rainy afternoon.

[01:20:54] I can't drink Diet Coke. Don't you know Diet Coke is terrible for you I should have said Diet Pepsi so let's move on to D Space Nine which is but I don't even know what that would be the first one I want to watch. I haven't seen it.

[01:21:04] It's amazing five stars the aforementioned Garek where's Oliver my boy you still here. Yes, Garek but best character ever he's not even in that many episodes but he sticks with you and they were able to deliver on so many of the promises they made in that show.

[01:21:19] Great character development across the board for everyone and there's that documentary about it the I think it's called the things we've left behind where they explore what they were able to do in that show and if they were to ever come back, what they would do but yeah

[01:21:34] I like the idea of telling the side story right like yes off little. That's true is not all Federation base.

[01:21:40] You have a lot of franchises to learn. Yeah, no, no they really expand the world you know you're dealing with a lot of different characters a lot of different factions a lot of different issues, but it has all the stuff that you love about Star Trek it's got cool aliens it's

[01:21:52] got the politics someone before mentioned the science versus people stuff and they go back to the triple. Five stars. There we go five stars God for D Space Nine. So now I know what else is on team Garrick.

[01:22:08] Exactly 100% may I just say may I just say kudos on the sartorial choice of the headwear. Oh, he's talking about you or is it me am I wearing a hat. I think so. You don't know. Not always just part of his being that I'm very convinced.

[01:22:25] I know that Dylan is a loyal member of Starfleet and that maynard is a section 31 agent trying to say the section. Exactly. They're like this weird intelligence agency they change from serious intelligence I like that yes.

[01:22:41] So then you got enterprise enterprise is just okay to me was very enterprise and it was one might say that you would I suppose but I believe you just did.

[01:22:50] I don't feel confident radio folks that haven't seen that much of it I saw the last you know the infamous last episode I'm giving spoilers everyone said they weren't the last episode where Tashi Arkham no Tashi Otis I come back right.

[01:23:00] He was a hologram he was watching the history. Wow, I mean very boring right here is incredibly lame you should have been focusing on his trombone playing. What's what are the shows after enterprise and after that then we start getting to new track right.

[01:23:12] I'm going to punt on all new track except for Picard to register my disgust with someone told me the first one help me Cam. What was the next discovery. Discovery. Yes, Nancy lower decks this cartoon.

[01:23:24] I've seen the first few episodes of lower decks and I generally enjoyed the humor enjoyed the voice work the animation style is just that you know that weird little style that they do now. Yeah, but because I don't know trek enough. It is a big barrier to entry.

[01:23:40] I don't think I'm getting all of the best jokes are all the best references. So then I'm just kind of stuck following it as a cartoon story.

[01:23:49] Finishing it, but I don't see it appealing to me unless I get deeper. You know I'm going to pass Trekkies keep telling me to watch it but you know what, just give it a three and what I saw it is funny.

[01:23:59] No, no interest and then what is it the brave new worlds undiscovered world. I don't care, you know, because someone was like oh it's original. And the Gorn are in it, but you never see the Gorn and it's never see the Gorn. Actually you do.

[01:24:14] I've only saw season one. Oh okay so what three stars. You watching people to a thing. I don't remember seeing a Gorn come up with some big eyes in a big rubber or mask whatever. If they use CGI then they're losing a whole star for that.

[01:24:31] You know put some people in makeup. But then I don't need to run of a scene. But it's no but I want to and a friend said it was like really great track that kids would watch.

[01:24:42] Yeah maybe and then again Picard zero stars hate that show I couldn't I everyone said watch season three watch season three. I started season three maybe four times I can't get past episode two. I'm done with it I'm checking out.

[01:24:54] I'm sorry no watch because I don't care about this. Absolutely done. All right those are the shows how about we don't get interesting. All right, so this trial will be dismissed but yeah with further ado.

[01:25:05] This be dismissed this is binding this okay so the motion picture start track the motion picture officially not guilty in our court also true. I like that if you're good so imagine yourself the, you're seeing it in theaters.

[01:25:19] Star Trek's never been on the big screen and everything's big Robert wise great director. It is a bit of a 2001 rip off but putting things in space really slow and long. I like I like the feature twist.

[01:25:33] It feels like a good episode of Star Trek because it's an adaptive one. And so it, you know I just reject this I reject this for before. People say that the motion picture it's the most star trekking of the Star Trek movies I completely disagree.

[01:25:46] Where's the cowboy planet where's the Nazi planet where the Gorn where the tribbles and whenever people talk about the series or the triples. Those are the things that would be original series they don't talk about being a slow plotting 2001.

[01:25:59] Oh, I agree with that now that's not a big picture but I don't want you Trekkies out there getting your big head saying oh this is actually the most Star Trek. It's not a 2001 rip off you have pretty nice Star Wars fans not so nice.

[01:26:11] Okay, so then we got the Rathakon I'll give you that one five stars because I actually saw it in an old movie house and William Shatner did an interview after the shot.

[01:26:21] I know and my father was able to meet him got a picture with them. It was fantastic and not to mention just great action great story still feels very Star Trek you know makes Kirk have to confront his own demons in his own obsessions, you know because he always wants to win.

[01:26:36] I also liked Rathakon we did on the episode but we unfortunately put it head to head against galaxy quest. Yeah, galaxy quest was better. So, Rathakon was fine it didn't feel. And someone said earlier doesn't feel like a Star Trek show I agree it's a little action.

[01:26:53] Star Trek is plenty actually just how much you love him for the Gorn. Yeah, but they don't do it enough.

[01:26:58] I'll give it five. It's good but I have to now have stayed from all the rest. I have not seen any of the rest of the original like like three through six because we do them on the show so I need to stay in anyone who from here wants to come on and defend search for spot.

[01:27:15] Let's do that though actually I'd like search for spot I mean Christopher Lloyd as a Klingon is absolutely fantastic. I'm going to go to the spot. Well, we got to the spot.

[01:27:26] My favorite instruments are gone. Well you're going to love this because in Star Trek for they steal Christopher Lloyd's time machine and that's why they go back to get the Yes, exactly. I mean Star Trek for also great. Star Trek five.

[01:27:38] That's the all England. That's no no no they get the the large aquatic mammals. Yes and they need the sounds to communicate with a probe.

[01:27:47] That's it that's the whole movie I just told you I saw a good future on episode like this. Exactly lots of good jokes and that and then five has all the deficiencies that everyone else already mentioned Kirk's not a very

[01:27:56] Kirk and they have not even calling is really all the time it's not a particularly competent director he's exceedingly competent in his own abilities which

[01:28:04] the one thing you know he's great like that you know and of course you know the famous why would this God need a spaceship you know it's like Jesus Christ what are we doing here.

[01:28:13] And then six that's my favorite I love the undiscovered country great movie got Christopher Plummer.

[01:28:18] I'm not sorry I said you know is he till you hear it in the original Klingon and great, great lines there I tell you at the beginning with the assassination when they're in the zero G Magnetsuits.

[01:28:28] That's stuck with me I love that that made me a sci-fi fan for life that one scene, you know they had like the weird purple blood and stuff.

[01:28:35] Once you get past the original series then what we are and we are on generations generations is interesting because I saw it was a kid and I was a kid I say five stars Kirk and Picard teaming up.

[01:28:45] And when you watch it with a little more of a critical eye you can't help but notice the many numerous deficiencies of it but still a lot of fun I'm willing to give it four stars. We haven't done that one yet, but I'm gonna do it.

[01:28:58] Gotta do it on the show. Yeah first contact. I'm willing to get that five stars. I mean it's really action oriented but you know it's a good piece for your good character piece for Picard.

[01:29:08] He has to deal with the whole lecutis of board thing because you don't know this mannered but Picard was a board for a little bit. I did know that.

[01:29:14] But he did get better and this movie or did he that's what you find out about that and first contact and then we had insurrection now man or do you know a little bit about insurrection. Who told you. No, Star Trek insurrection. Oh insurrection.

[01:29:29] So I liked this movie and I agree it's like a just a long episode but at the mood I was in when it caught me I was in for a cerebral talky one I usually am not but that day it did catch me in a talky mood.

[01:29:43] I like the peril pretty sure at the time Israel and Palestine were not get along then so it's definitely certainly applies to that film as well.

[01:29:52] So, um, I thought that was a made me think which I thought is kind of what Trek supposed to do. I don't like that, which is why avoid it. But it did it and I probably don't know this movie. Not guilty.

[01:30:06] So I give it I'll give it three stars though just barely. So it's a different me I would probably given it two stars but when I had to defend it for the show and I researched a lot more I discovered a text by Michael pillar.

[01:30:18] That was a shave right there. Yes, the sense of in the bath three stars for sure.

[01:30:23] There's the Michael pillar actually wrote a book about the making of the action called fade in. It's a good and it's a wonderful book you can actually you could still get it get an ebook of it and reading what his goal was for that movie and then how things

[01:30:38] actually shook out and he was very honest and open and then Michael pillar unfortunately is no longer with us he has since passed may his memory be a blessing.

[01:30:46] I just really open my eyes like man maybe this movie I got I just have to watch it a bit differently and so when I watched it knowing I had to defend it.

[01:30:53] I'm like man you know what this is pretty good track you know so I feel good given about four stars. Now my most controversial opinion of the night has to be Star Trek Nemesis you guys all talked about how you hate it.

[01:31:03] Let me tell you something. If I had to pick my send off for the next generation crew to be the piece of shit that is Picard, or Star Trek Nemesis I'm taking Nemesis 10 times out of 10.

[01:31:14] I'm not telling me that Picard is a better send off to the next generation crew. You have the reason we call. Let me tell you we call World War one World War one, because World War two happened.

[01:31:25] Right, that is going to nervous during the world war one. I know right that's all right. All right, all right, all right, all right, Star Trek Nemesis Star Trek Nemesis is basically like that right we have to reevaluate it based on events that have come later and those would be the steaming pile of

[01:31:42] that is Picard makes Nemesis better now. And I think we did Nemesis, I did think the rightfully lost which was good. I did guilty most of them didn't see that there actually was any back story. Yeah, well that's pretty bad. I don't fall asleep much during movies.

[01:32:03] There was no backstory or connection to Tom Hardy's character, like at least with Wrath of Con which clearly Nemesis was trying to piggyback on.

[01:32:12] Ricardo Monta on wasn't an episode and there was history. So it wasn't much but there was something and in here there was absolutely nothing it's just sort of an artificial disguise you're flowing from a long time ago. Yeah, so no tribbles. That's true. No, I give it.

[01:32:28] I'll give it to I'll give all the Abrams movies are that universe everyone gets a two star. That's first one four stars that don't really remember but it's felt confident.

[01:32:38] Lens Flare is fine for one movie don't remember anything about the second. I probably conflated with one of those transformer movies. Oh, I don't know that well either. They crash on a planet I just elbow to the right. The first one for the other self give to us.

[01:32:56] No, that's the galaxy quest which I'll give up now we're not ranking guys and I know one person here and out in Galaxy. Don't do it. It is going on anyway so just what I expected.

[01:33:14] We have the mist trial next year anyway so the line must be drawn here.

[01:33:21] The first contact gets the five out of five star treatment. The same ring ranking you should give any movie it has everything it has aliens type action hell razor type horror, and just thought for looking back to the future sci fi, but better than back to the

[01:33:37] future. So it's just beyond quotable always dynamite. It's the ultimate party movie but it is just so well shot, and a brilliant rendering of classic track or deals with the next gen cast. It's rather con on steroids practically.

[01:33:54] And for the rest of the five star rankings I'm going to put forbidden planet. That is the original Star Trek movie.

[01:34:02] Center. And then four and a half out of five, we're going to go with next gen DS nine and rathacon. Yes, there is some hammy acting in all of them.

[01:34:13] And then Babylon five is leagues better than any week chapter DS nine but fortunately, I think the reason these have struck a chord with most of our rankings. It's just the characters are just so universally just charismatic, and they feel like an actual

[01:34:29] family instead of a bunch of assholes who don't get along with each other.

[01:34:34] And then there's others have mentioned, yes, DS nine you do have to actually it's made for binge watching it was just never going to catch up because it was in between TNG and voids are at that time.

[01:34:47] And the three shows do have some week episodes, I personally recommend skipping any episode that's mainly based around Troy's mom Alexander or the Ferengi. That is the best way to go about it. If you want to just get to the just dynamite just again epic battles.

[01:35:05] The five parter episodes before that was a thing and just the wonderful conspiracy arts involving Starfleet. All right, so the four out of fives. The original series. The last two seasons of enterprise voyage home on discovered country insurrection galaxy quest enemy mine.

[01:35:25] The best on official Star Trek movie. Most of the enemy mine.

[01:35:30] No, stop that I'm putting you back on you stop. Most of the books and comics, the various fan films axon are of gods and men horizon and the renegades web series strange new worlds and all of the card.

[01:35:43] All of these are just a pat on the back for the trackies who've been with this long enough the philosophy is rich. The plot per send off for all these characters really worked out for the most part.

[01:35:56] I especially applaud just galaxy quest at introducing non track fans into the track cannon. I also applaud just again voyage home and on discovery country and insurrection, I think are just all under overlooked because they go away from the track cannon.

[01:36:14] That just makes them work better as a movie.

[01:36:17] And all together just the fan films are just a labor of love especially axon are and of gods and men because they're taking just all the stuff that really worked so well in the various other movies and shows and just did way more service than paramount cared to at the time.

[01:36:35] The world is just out the off the ground running. I love how the Gorn are more like the creatures and Prudder and alien. The musical episode was a perfect realm of creativity as well as just showing just how diverse this cast of characters is while reminding you how, you know, pre Kirk was the key

[01:36:54] moment on how starfully got formed and how there were so many people willing to overtake all the hidden evils of the world.

[01:37:02] And the card show I just must apply because much like strange new worlds has fixed the parts of part five with Spock's brother that didn't work, I must applaud them for actually making before work very well in the final season.

[01:37:14] And just, again, the cast is just so dynamic the new characters like Ralphie were charismatic and they did a proper just final poker game for all the characters that the original show missed out on doing.

[01:37:30] So with the free and a half out of five I'm going to go discovery season two and four or we're seeing that's where I'm going to go with the even number rule but they did right they did good by firing Brian fuller that first season he just he had worked on the franchise but he clearly just wanted to

[01:37:47] make a good poker with everyone who had some good ideas. Voyager, like Oliver said before, and Gil and Teresa pointed out if you're watching it casually, it's not a very good show, but if you go for all the much like you avoid all the bad next

[01:38:03] episodes just avoid any of the episodes that don't involve time travel or the board, and you're going to really have a fun time. And search for Spock final frontier and generations again, I don't use the Lasser at have the last two often in a marathon but

[01:38:21] they are underdeveloped extended episodes that overall have some decent action and going to put the Orville in there. That's a, at times more track than actual track. Star Trek continues and the new voyages fan series are also wonderful labor love much like the

[01:38:38] animated series that they just are the episodes that went on aired. And it's so fun seeing how they have cameos from other sci fi veteran actors from Buck Rogers and so forth, free out of five going to put prodigy here.

[01:38:54] Again, it works as a Star Wars clone Wars cartoon. It doesn't really cut the mustard as actual Star Trek. I do like it when Janeway is mainly part of the plot, and I do applaud them for using archive voiceovers of both auto and Spock in that one key episode.

[01:39:12] Overall, like others have pointed out it's for kids to kind of get into versus adults to claim her onto Nemesis. It's already been said. Again, this works as a matrix, you know type action movie.

[01:39:26] It's a great work as an actual track movie because they're the director was not interested in being deep with the plotline. And ultimately, it's fun but it's a disappointment. It's just, it can only be enjoyed if you just switch your brain off and say it's not Star Trek, it's a fun action

[01:39:44] movie. There's a lot of characters in it. James Masters and Michael shanks were the original villains considered either of them would have actually made a compelling villain unlike what we got.

[01:39:55] And then I'm going to put the 09 reboot and into darkness there again, you can watch him as mindless action blockbusters, but you can't take it as actual track, because you're just like, Okay, so Abrams use this to get the Star Wars gig.

[01:40:10] Cutting the mustard as actual Star Trek, but to its credit, I do applaud them in terms of how they actually introduced younger generations to the old ones like it's kind of what they did with MacGyver and Mission Impossible.

[01:40:23] People saw the new stuff so they went back to watch the OGs.

[01:40:27] All right, so there's no one out of five stars. I'm pretty generous, but I'm going to give two out of five to the Shatner alt universe books. I'm sorry those pissed me off because Shatner again is not a writer, but Tech Wars.

[01:40:45] Right. It was pretty much read like it's gonna learn about tech war sooner or later. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. However, you should read them. If you just want again just an acid dream of imagery and just the hysterical forward by Jonathan Frank saying shutters a smart man. Okay.

[01:41:02] I'm going to put Star Trek beyond in there again. Just, that was a cluster for me when I saw it in theaters, the villain was very forgettable. Who would have guessed that was a dress elbow and makeup and casting a fast and furious director is never a good idea.

[01:41:18] I'm going to put the picture as half of you have said before, it was trying too hard to be like Solaris in 2001. And despite loving other Robert Wise classics like Run Silent Run Deep.

[01:41:29] If I wasn't patient with this movie I would have never gotten into Star Trek, because it just doesn't cut the mustard. It's not forbidden planet. It doesn't make me care about anyone.

[01:41:39] I do like the Vigil character but she is not well used in this movie. Unlike in the books, and then the new frontier fan web series. This was one of the first fan web series. You should absolutely watch it because it is awful.

[01:41:55] Good production value and visual effects they even use the galaxy quest theme as its main theme, but the acting by the amateurs is is a real tough set.

[01:42:06] I'm going to put the lower decks on here again. I, when it's funny, it's really ripe and hysterical, but it's not South Park level or even Aqua team hunger force like it's trying to channel.

[01:42:19] And I know season four is getting some good reviews but season three was really really not well layered, like other than the DS nine episode.

[01:42:28] Like it just felt like they didn't want to do anything with the concept is like let's go to a planet filled with L's because that's Star Trek ish.

[01:42:37] So, until they actually improve the animation at or even do more crossovers for strange new worlds I think I'm done with this particular one, but other than that, this is a very rare franchise for me where even the worst episode deserves some kind of recognition

[01:42:54] because of all the genre appreciation, the art direction and just again the mind blowing just material on display here.

[01:43:04] I would even say this is probably universally agreeable franchise for the most part camp or serious because unlike any other franchise it's for the most part made by people who actually want to be involved with this franchise.

[01:43:16] I'm like any other sci fi action horror franchise that goes downhill. So, overall I think we found some common tread. I have yet to hear anyone say they hate the voyage home. Yeah, I think so.

[01:43:30] I do remember someone just recently on one of the other podcasts they were talking about Star Wars for Star Trek and he said Star Wars has higher highs but also lower lows. Oh, yeah. Star Trek might be yes Star Wars on SSRIs or something like that.

[01:43:48] Yeah, it's definitely Star Wars on steroids at times. Yes. There's so little Star Wars to go around. I mean you got nine movies. So if one of them is a bomb and there are multiple bombs. Yeah, you just got years of bad memories about those movies.

[01:44:04] Oh look at the war now they're arguing over the TV shows now. No, I know and like Star Trek Star Wars seems to be better on TV right now. Right because it started there.

[01:44:16] Yeah, yeah. And you know with Star Trek you got over 800 hours of material to pick from so if you get a bad episode or a bad movie in there wait a few minutes and another one will be out. You can do a fan edit of your favorite movie.

[01:44:31] Yeah, my God they do. Yeah, I think it was interesting. So this was interesting too because again, I can't expect everyone to watch every installment but it was interesting how no one shouted out any of the fan films but everyone was divided on the animations.

[01:44:47] No comment on the fan films. Oh shit. The fall on your sword videos have shat on the mount and one reason. Yeah thank you for sharing so amazing.

[01:44:59] So now now it's time for everyone to just promote the shows. Let's circle around. Once again, what does mission log have coming up John? We will get back to our regular mission log. But all of our shows are at podcast dot Roddenberry.com.

[01:45:15] There's a little something for everyone, most certainly the main mission log has been added for. Wow, I guess 11 years now we've been at it since 2012. So when we launched and the mission to go through every episode ever made. And you had Rod Roddenberry panning on the back.

[01:45:38] Yeah, I mean he and I look there's a much longer story to tell but it involved wine and it involved him saying let's do this thing and I was like alright I guess we're doing the thing now and that launched mission log and now a bunch of other podcasts after

[01:45:53] the fact. So we'll get back to mission log live which is our live Monday night show to discuss current track.

[01:46:01] We're currently doing a very cool series called genealogy. We're going through the entire archive which was literally on the other side of that wall with everything that Gene ever wrote pre-star track.

[01:46:13] So we've got his very first scripts going back to late 1953 and doing the deep dive on those which was very cool kind of connecting the dots to what he wrote then what he became famous for in the 60s. Right.

[01:46:29] Yeah, so all of that podcast dot Roddenberry.com you go from being a state trooper to a TV.

[01:46:35] Yeah, he was a he was an LA beat cop and he was writing speeches for the chief police. So that's what sparked his his writing interest. And then I think he I think the story was he had sold three strips in a year, and that was more than he got paid as a cop.

[01:46:55] So he was like, hey, this writing thing. It's writing things sounds like a pretty good idea. I think I'll do that. And Life finds a way.

[01:47:04] Yeah, we've uncovered some cool stuff. You know, we actually found a show that he created that has been lost to history and it was unknown that he created this shows a Western that ran only six episodes in the early 60s.

[01:47:18] Oh really everybody thought that his first show is a lieutenant but no no no he created this. That's right. So we look we attended shares a lot of DNA of a Star Trek and we'll get there soon enough but right now doing the really, really early stuff. Awesome.

[01:47:35] Yep. Yep. So that's what I'm up to. All over. What do you got coming up? I'm interested. You can find me on four different podcasts. Yep. The one that's germane to this one is where I review every single episode of the original series is called 78 episodes 30 good ones.

[01:47:56] Find that on all your usual places. Also, my co host Aaron White and I have watched almost 500 episodes of law and order. Yes. So you can go back and watch it and listen to that. That's the 27th precinct. They really encourage us.

[01:48:15] If you if you love bad movies, you can join me along with three other people on the masochist movie collective where we watch terrible movies or cult movies.

[01:48:27] And finally, you can find me on in your ear holes.com where we talk about the good the bad and the ugly of pop music from 1975 to the year 2000. Nice. I got a good caught up on that. The last one. All right. What do the reels have next?

[01:48:44] It's called Reels of Justice and every time we get a guest come on, they've got to prosecute or defend the movie of your choice. So you've got to come and improve a movie is not bad before a jury of your peers.

[01:48:57] So whichever you want to come in will take the other side I've defended battlefield earth. Not on this show in the past life pretty pretty close. It's a great. Don't worry.

[01:49:11] But any movie, any movie can be prosecuted and any movie can be defended. I hate this movie and then I'll align you guys are like he was busting his ass off laughing at this movie. So what are we talking about?

[01:49:24] Yeah, that kind of thing. Well, hey, it's a lot of character work you know sometimes we have to really pretend we hate a movie if we kind of like it or vice versa you know well you got to be able to make a commitment.

[01:49:34] You've got to believe something you've got to be able to argue it. Absolutely. You got to be able to see the other perspective and build the case I had to prosecute Titan AE and I love Titan AE and I won I hated myself for a week.

[01:49:46] I never know where it's going to go. The guests, many of who have been local LA communions and Mr science theater alums are also just always dynamite and again, never know where it's going to go. It's even funnier when we pull double duty.

[01:50:02] I love when we get any of the people from mystery science theater and yes and Kelsey they're great. We've got the most prolific living historian and Jeremy black Jeremy on weekly is on every month. Yeah, but he always schedules this next episode. That's how he always gets back.

[01:50:19] Alright, let's let's talk. We talked too much. Yeah, real suggestions. Where you find podcasts. Cliff and Aaron of the alien we do.

[01:50:30] Predator universe you yeah we do the two of the movies by minutes podcasters old series them so much one movie or watch one minute of movie at a time we do predator renowned predator to and we have another one called Gonzo minute we watch fear and loading in Las Vegas.

[01:50:45] Yep. At a time you know we all hundred stomps movies eventually and we're working on our master thesis which is that the two universes are connected. Yeah, well when we had came when you were on you had connected it with.

[01:50:55] The greater velverty. Yeah, thanks so yeah yeah for anyone that's going to actually look at a post this will probably not make it on in time but there's been for those of you that are listening live. We're doing movies by minute convention in Indianapolis this weekend.

[01:51:10] Yeah, yes you are for any podcasters or guests or just listeners can show up. Yeah, if you're hearing this and it's after the fact. We missed out and for those of you can see us we're recovered and rippling abs. They work out with Schwarzenegger allegedly.

[01:51:31] Yeah, thanks for having us on we like said we grew up on this we love to hear loved hearing everyone's stories about. I did not know where it was going to go.

[01:51:40] And I love Oliver. I love it because Oliver I can tell you've got the great abs to and love hearing that sort of Canadian perspective. All right, and you're a red shirt so we gotta respect the underdog man.

[01:51:53] There's actually I can see three red shirts on screen right now. Yeah. Before Ali young was dying on screen we had only again, red shirts to look up to they are our heroes, more so than firefighters. Make it so.

[01:52:09] All right, with further ado, it's been a hell of a party but we better wrap this up otherwise we're going to go bananas so thank you all so much fun. Hope you had a blast. Alright cheers. Good to meet everybody take care. Absolutely. Very much. Take care guys.

[01:52:26] Thank you. There's some serious fun stories. Thanks everybody be safe out there. Thank you again everybody. Absolutely. And nice to meet you love what you do glad you could we can pick each other's brains. My pleasure. Thanks anytime. You be safe out there. Bye.

[01:53:23] Thank you.