Pop Culture Deep Cuts Week: Sid & Marty Krofft Tribute

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[00:00:45] I was just looking at that myself because I was trying to find like I remember Sidmin C Monster and on YouTube I was only seeing clips

[00:00:53] So I'm like, well how do I see a whole episode and then on Amazon Primer somewhere you can buy the episodes or something

[00:01:00] And I also found out they did a remake of a Sidmin C Monster like in 2016 or something

[00:01:09] Johnny Whitaker made a cameo in it, one of the original kids, yeah, Johnny Whitaker from Family Affair

[00:01:16] Yeah, it was a big one to see Monster, yep

[00:01:22] All right, we were talking about none other than Sid and Marty Croph both of who we lost

[00:01:32] Well, no, no, once still alive, once still alive, Marty still alive

[00:01:36] But with the media we can kick it in, okay

[00:01:39] So it's Sid Croph, I'm fucking one of my sand, okay

[00:01:43] It's got them grouped together, that's the fucking conclusion

[00:01:46] Okay, so yes you are right, Sid still with us

[00:01:51] Yeah, damn it, okay

[00:01:55] But he's getting out there, he's 94, Marty we lost 86

[00:02:01] Man, they're two conuck brothers

[00:02:07] They're two brothers, they're the brand name

[00:02:12] In the early 1960s with a puppet act that they did

[00:02:18] I think at the World's Fair called Poops Di Perry

[00:02:23] Which was a adult themed puppet act

[00:02:27] Where people dressed up as certain singers and stuff

[00:02:32] But the main thing was the puppets were like the Folly's Brasgera

[00:02:37] And they were topless

[00:02:41] They got to be, it was a big success

[00:02:45] I think they were to be able to do it with them for a little while

[00:02:49] Oh, congrats

[00:02:51] Yeah and you kind of have a loose personal connection in a way

[00:02:55] Yeah, yeah

[00:02:58] But when you got when I jumped in

[00:03:02] You guys were talking about like some

[00:03:05] Diel said somebody got them second hand

[00:03:09] Was it Tom who got them second hand

[00:03:12] Watching them for the first time but for like Cameron he would have been

[00:03:16] Yeah, I never they apparently re-rand him on the family channel back in the 90s

[00:03:20] But I just always was kind of pretty to I knew what the banana splits were

[00:03:24] And I just would always see segments of their shows kind of syndicated on like an NBC antenna channel

[00:03:30] And I knew about him and I knew that wasn't the same as you know a lecture company or Jim Henson

[00:03:36] When when when we covered a

[00:03:40] Jerry and Sylvia Anderson I kind of just it was cool to just kind of get more kind of a collaboration on the details of this duo

[00:03:50] And how it was again, it was a family business and they

[00:03:54] They did some out much like any other TV giants they would produce some specials original telephones

[00:04:02] And other live action stuff some that didn't even involve puppets but the

[00:04:07] But puppets were definitely their main bread and butter have a big variety show

[00:04:13] Dressed up and there but it is awesome how I did hear their name kicked around with Donnie and Marie

[00:04:21] But it took me years to kind of put that together

[00:04:25] Yeah, I kind of

[00:04:28] Remember being here being growing up in Jersey as a kid and Channel 11 would put on the cross superstars

[00:04:37] Yeah, super star was it no no it was the superstars

[00:04:42] Sorry and go you hear

[00:04:45] And we sure like each and our puffing stuff the bugle lose a segment in the sea monsters

[00:04:52] Dr. Flinkers

[00:04:54] I know we didn't see Dr. Shrinker on there looks like a block of episodes they would play

[00:05:01] And the one I got to see the most was HR puffing stuff

[00:05:07] And my mom actually got me I think she got me a toy flute as a kid

[00:05:15] You know because she said you could be like Jimmy now and I was like

[00:05:18] GMON thanks and like you know my little you know 65 year old six year old brain is going I've got a magic flute to talk

[00:05:26] So you know

[00:05:29] But the thing that I

[00:05:32] Have all any one too but I

[00:05:35] I just don't know what happened to it

[00:05:38] Yeah

[00:05:40] That would have been a great thing a great toy if they just got into commercializing it

[00:05:44] Yeah, really their first big last into fame HR puffing stuff because they'd done the banana splits for Hannah Barbarra

[00:05:56] They designed those costumes and they decided in 16 9 or 70

[00:06:04] They were going to make a movie called HR because it's called puffing stuff and they got Jack Wild to be in it he was still coming off

[00:06:14] Oliver the

[00:06:18] And you know he was he was you know he was the cocky little kid and he kind of reminded people of Davie Jones too when you think about it

[00:06:25] The British accent yeah

[00:06:29] And that was a big hit for them Saturday morning that was their big hit you know this was you know where

[00:06:40] Sorry morning shows were kind of like you know trapped in that color of

[00:06:46] You know primate your friend this was bold psychedelic you know talking trees and you know a dragon that's nice to you and a

[00:06:56] Witch god bless Billy Hayes for doing witchy poo because that's the most yeah I was telling my wife today

[00:07:05] I was watching episode and like man I don't remember this so whoever wrote this must have been a high

[00:07:13] I love how they acknowledge that you're like yeah we're just weird we're not high

[00:07:18] I think it was just you know them saying you know let's let's let's take a live fairytale from the like the Wizard of Oz or something that and just blow it up

[00:07:35] That's that's 60 sensibility to it you know I mean where else are you gonna see you know I character like stupid bat and you know worse than the owl

[00:07:44] And all that you know I mean just it worked on so many levels yeah we had Lenny when rib you know the voice of time for timer

[00:07:56] And also magic mango as yeah also would play magic mango down the road and I was friends with his daughter till my Facebook page got hijacked

[00:08:06] And I I just remember him you know him doing that voice and you know people people right will recognize puff and stuff you know if anybody remembers

[00:08:20] Nick Lodian Nick and Knight did a thing in the night I've I think over or September or something of that year

[00:08:32] Puffle Paloza and the art generation that was kind of like reintroducing everything to us because you gotta remember our generation was the generation that had all those shows

[00:08:46] And you know and they brought them back for one night and slowly I remember watching till like three in the morning and then I went to bed.

[00:08:57] I had to go up to get the net get up the next morning to go to a church thing with my friends all I was just like so zonk out

[00:09:06] You know only like four hours sleep and you know my mom looking at me going are you okay I'm like no mom I want to go right back to bed what are you doing watching each and our puff and stuff.

[00:09:18] You were watching that you know like my mom would never understand why I watched she wasn't a TV girl now she was she was like how can you fry your mind when you have you know chemistry homework to do for college.

[00:09:32] Oh, come on. Maybe I want to enjoy life.

[00:09:39] You're always be there agent's a couple of stuff may not.

[00:09:43] Yeah.

[00:09:45] Yeah.

[00:09:46] Did you know that they produce priors place is catched tomning show that's awesome.

[00:09:53] I they also produced a patty libels special and 85.

[00:09:59] They did the most sister show.

[00:10:02] Did you ever see DC follies.

[00:10:04] Yeah.

[00:10:05] Yeah.

[00:10:06] And stuff that I wish they would replay like local PBS or Chicago Tribune type stations you wish that they would just air this as opposed to whatever just got played you know a year ago.

[00:10:20] Well, the thing is that.

[00:10:25] With sooner Marty Croft and they they they they they they were always on top of something like when they did their second series the bugle lose.

[00:10:34] The monkeys and the Partridge family were like you know still popular at that time.

[00:10:41] And they got four kids in England.

[00:10:46] They did a talus shirt search all over England and supposedly the rumors Phil Collins tried out for the bugle lose interesting.

[00:10:55] Yeah, I can see him actually getting along pretty well.

[00:11:00] And it would help matters that he's got to the same size as they would be on television.

[00:11:06] Sorry, go ahead.

[00:11:09] He was the drummer for Genesis.

[00:11:13] And then he did this.

[00:11:17] And what happened was was that they got these four kids and I don't know if anybody remembers when you first watched the bugle lose but

[00:11:26] they're going to crush on joy the female one Caroline Alice.

[00:11:31] Yes, I don't know that I can't recall if I've ever seen the bugle lose or not it's not right to me did not see that one but I can see it though she does it looks like a younger Susan day.

[00:11:44] The bugle is like this like there are there are there four bugs they live in a.

[00:11:54] And they're going to be the first bugle.

[00:11:59] Hopefully we have a little bit more and a little bit more of a story.

[00:12:04] That would be so much more of a different story.

[00:12:07] I'll try to understand what kind of story is.

[00:12:10] Yeah, I'm excited.

[00:12:11] Yes.

[00:12:12] I'm sure it's very important to me.

[00:12:14] Uh, I think I can't just put on that.

[00:12:16] I'm sure you can't really put in this sort of thing.

[00:12:18] It's gonna be a new one.

[00:12:19] I get I have very close.

[00:12:21] So they brought her in and then she was really cool with them, the kids because she was

[00:12:33] an old-timer.

[00:12:34] She was a trooper.

[00:12:35] And to bring Martha Rayon on a kids show, that introduced me to Martha Ray and how funny

[00:12:42] she was.

[00:12:44] But the things with that is that they had an album come out and the album I think hit 100

[00:12:51] on the charts.

[00:12:53] It was a big, big push, media push with them.

[00:12:56] They were in the Thanksgiving Day parade in Macy's.

[00:13:01] They had a sign outside of sunset strip for their album coming out.

[00:13:07] And it was a big deal.

[00:13:10] And I kind of missed that kind of side promotion that you could was possible instead of just

[00:13:17] waiting for the suits to come in and green light you.

[00:13:20] Yeah.

[00:13:21] And do you know by any chance who like obviously they were kind of their own independent

[00:13:29] act and they were just getting distributed by various people from Hanover Barbarate

[00:13:33] to NBC?

[00:13:34] Who ultimately owns the rights, do you think?

[00:13:38] I think it's the Croft state.

[00:13:42] The Crofts is because they had control of it.

[00:13:48] They had control of a lot of stuff.

[00:13:50] And from now, from what I understand, they're going to have a streaming network.

[00:13:55] Oh, sweet.

[00:13:56] Maybe shout out three people headed on that and remaster some stuff.

[00:14:00] Yeah.

[00:14:01] I saw them they produced two movies with both with Bruce Stern.

[00:14:06] Okay.

[00:14:07] One was the comedy middle age crazy.

[00:14:11] That's also got Ann Margaret.

[00:14:12] That was a Fox picture.

[00:14:13] And the second was a Western he did with Gordon Lightfoot called The Last Desperado.

[00:14:18] I'm middle age crazy.

[00:14:23] And if I saw these, it definitely would have been again just like at three in the morning

[00:14:28] on any tennis station.

[00:14:29] But I like that kind of stuff.

[00:14:31] It just everybody there's opportunity for everybody.

[00:14:35] They can get some side money here.

[00:14:37] And then you can do another thing that a lot of people are going to see.

[00:14:39] And that's enough money to make another side deal.

[00:14:45] So they really are kind of given how they got the Riglin brothers origin story.

[00:14:51] It is kind of awesome to see that they literally are a live action TV literal circus just

[00:14:56] going from one place to the next.

[00:14:58] Yeah.

[00:15:00] And then we think about it too.

[00:15:03] The bugle loses on one season, he turned off puff and stuff is on for a thing I wanted

[00:15:07] two seasons.

[00:15:09] So they were going to do a bugle lose movie.

[00:15:13] And from what Caroline Ellis said, they were getting prepared to do it.

[00:15:17] And they never got a call back.

[00:15:19] They went back to England and they never got a call back.

[00:15:22] That is wild.

[00:15:24] And I'm going to do with the planning and everything like that, like when they were going

[00:15:28] to do it.

[00:15:29] But then the next year they put out Lidsville with which Patrick and Charles Nelson rightly

[00:15:37] asked who yeah, and this is the funny thing, you know, how can you think okay, let's

[00:15:44] do okay, we've done a kid on an island with a dragon that's a sheriff with a witch.

[00:15:50] We've done a four kids who were bugs who live in a forest.

[00:15:55] Students who falls in a magic hat and winds up in a land populated with hats with a genie

[00:16:02] and we'll get Billy, Billy Hayes back to play weeny genie.

[00:16:07] But we need a villain who can we get well, we'll get Charles Nelson Riley.

[00:16:12] That's not for our temper.

[00:16:18] And that was really cool to watch.

[00:16:22] I mean, you know, it was good and butch Patrick was like starting to become a teen, you

[00:16:27] know, was becoming a teen so he grown out of Eddie Munster at that point.

[00:16:31] And if you ever watched the show Lidsville, Charles Nelson Riley talks loud all the time.

[00:16:38] And they were doing dinner for five.

[00:16:40] I think I brought this up and they said why did you why did you talk loud all the time

[00:16:45] and they said, because your kids were keeping it to paying attention.

[00:16:52] That's awesome.

[00:16:54] I just think about that, you know, the thing is crossed we're always bringing in people for us

[00:17:02] to watch that, you know, our parents watched.

[00:17:06] So yes, just somehow kind of they must have had this similar booking agent,

[00:17:12] kind of like the Muppet agency, where it's just get someone who's a bit who is about to

[00:17:17] get to become a big deal.

[00:17:19] But we can get them still ultra cheap, they'll get exposure, we'll get some ratings.

[00:17:24] It's somehow a win-win for everybody.

[00:17:27] No one gets hurt.

[00:17:29] Well, the thing I was said to take me in the sea monsters.

[00:17:33] And they did that one.

[00:17:35] So we're going to 73 now 74.

[00:17:40] And they bring in Johnny Whitaker who just been on family affair.

[00:17:47] And then they bring in.

[00:17:50] Sorry, sorry.

[00:17:52] And then they bring in Mary Wilkes who you might recognize from sister actually played the older

[00:18:02] sister none.

[00:18:03] That's her nice.

[00:18:06] The neck nosey next door neighbor.

[00:18:09] And then when they had they did another season, the second season Mary Wilkes left

[00:18:17] and Fran Ryan came in.

[00:18:19] Fran Ryan.

[00:18:20] Yes.

[00:18:21] You know, yeah, you know who she is when you see her.

[00:18:25] And those are the kind of actors we all love here.

[00:18:28] And I think that's what I'm going to say.

[00:18:30] I think that's what I'm going to say.

[00:18:31] And then they bring in all the other actors who just have been.

[00:18:33] Again, clocking in on all kinds of different projects.

[00:18:37] They're they get famous by the time they get to look like the seventh stage of their career.

[00:18:42] But you know, and so it just anger me all the time when I see these actors who.

[00:18:49] Didn't even have to work literally a day in their life.

[00:18:51] And they're getting more publicity than all these other guys who've been around and are ordered and dirt.

[00:18:55] And then they're going to be like, you know,

[00:18:58] and they're going to be like,

[00:19:00] what gets me is that second season they bring in rip Taylor.

[00:19:03] To play Sheldon the G rip.

[00:19:05] You know,

[00:19:07] and to me,

[00:19:08] that's like.

[00:19:09] That's like, you know,

[00:19:10] that that kind of ends it for them with the kitty stuff.

[00:19:14] Because the next year they're going to make a show about dinosaurs.

[00:19:19] Yeah.

[00:19:20] That's me is their best show.

[00:19:23] Well, that's the one I remember most.

[00:19:25] Yeah, everywhere.

[00:19:27] Can we act that up to theme song?

[00:19:32] We're going to move and holly on a routine expedition.

[00:19:38] In the gray.

[00:19:41] The stress queen.

[00:19:43] Ever know.

[00:19:46] I'm not a rapper.

[00:19:48] I'm a rapper.

[00:19:50] Struck.

[00:19:52] I need your last.

[00:19:55] 1000 feet.

[00:19:58] Did anyone.

[00:20:01] Oh,

[00:20:04] oh, God.

[00:20:06] Did they play that song in the movie that Will Farrell made?

[00:20:10] I think they did.

[00:20:12] They did the land of laws.

[00:20:15] I think they did.

[00:20:18] Of course,

[00:20:19] but then I have to throw in a reference here.

[00:20:21] They did a great reference to it in.

[00:20:25] James abstract that.

[00:20:27] Will Farrell played Marshall will.

[00:20:29] Yeah.

[00:20:30] I love doing family guy with Peters trying out for the playing.

[00:20:33] 5 670.

[00:20:35] Marshall will and highly.

[00:20:37] And they do.

[00:20:38] They do the end part where the dinosaurs screamed at the camera.

[00:20:41] It's pure going.

[00:20:43] I'm not going to be a rapper.

[00:20:45] I'm not going to be a rapper.

[00:20:47] I'm not going to be a rapper.

[00:20:49] Yeah.

[00:20:50] One thing I would say for the.

[00:20:52] For said, Marty crock is they manage.

[00:20:55] I think they.

[00:20:56] They're sure they're based along.

[00:20:59] Concept that.

[00:21:01] Adults are big kids.

[00:21:03] Yeah.

[00:21:04] Kids are going to remember the cool stuff.

[00:21:06] I mean, just think about the people they brought.

[00:21:08] We've already mentioned a few people they brought back.

[00:21:10] I think they're going to be.

[00:21:12] That we're just kind of the winning end of when they were popular,

[00:21:15] but then they got snatched up or we're just about to become popular.

[00:21:19] Wistly you're from Lendellos.

[00:21:21] He was big on days of our lives.

[00:21:25] Another day of our days of our lives.

[00:21:28] Rep.

[00:21:29] And.

[00:21:30] Did you hold.

[00:21:31] Did you hold.

[00:21:32] Yes.

[00:21:33] Electro.

[00:21:34] Yeah.

[00:21:36] Yep.

[00:21:37] That's a lot of great stuff.

[00:21:40] And that's the most,

[00:21:41] but it's a lot of great stuff.

[00:21:43] Another day I was really shocked to see.

[00:21:45] The strangers who was.

[00:21:47] Was kind of in that same kind of boat.

[00:21:49] But they just had a knack for finding.

[00:21:52] The people who were.

[00:21:53] Who were.

[00:21:55] Or.

[00:21:56] Or just.

[00:21:57] Just still famous enough that people recognize them.

[00:22:01] Or this is finding the talent that could be there.

[00:22:04] I believe he was doing the voice of Aquaman.

[00:22:07] He was, he'd done the Aquaman, I think.

[00:22:10] I think you guys played their inventor

[00:22:12] of the guy who did him in.

[00:22:14] Yeah, no, yeah, no, it was Frank.

[00:22:17] Frank, that's right.

[00:22:18] Frank was the guy who invented all this stuff

[00:22:22] for Electrowoman and Dining Girl

[00:22:23] and they rode around in that like

[00:22:26] Dune Guggy electric car.

[00:22:29] It's funny because I was telling my wife

[00:22:31] as I was watching an episode of the day.

[00:22:33] I'm like, I'm like that guy sounds like he does voices

[00:22:36] for Hannah Barbarra.

[00:22:40] And the strange thing is Norm Alden

[00:22:45] and Lenny Wynne rib were in a movie together

[00:22:50] called Good Times with Sonny and Share.

[00:22:52] That's the first movie Sonny and Share did together

[00:22:55] directed by William Freakin who we just love.

[00:22:58] Yes, yes, yes.

[00:23:00] And I think that's why I respected him even more.

[00:23:03] He was another guy who kind of like

[00:23:05] some of these other cool cats,

[00:23:06] just they were doing all kinds of documentaries

[00:23:08] and literal stage plays

[00:23:11] and he apparently explained in recent years

[00:23:15] why he worked with Tracy Ledts

[00:23:17] was Tracy knew him from doing opera houses

[00:23:20] and can you imagine an alternate reality

[00:23:23] where we lose William Freakin

[00:23:25] and all he does is direct operas

[00:23:27] no one sees the rest of his life?

[00:23:29] That would have been sad.

[00:23:33] Well, the thing that made about the Crofts

[00:23:35] is that they also gave a lot of people

[00:23:37] like push like the push to do things

[00:23:41] like yeah, like you said, Wesley Urge, Judy Stranges

[00:23:46] Michael Lembeck appears on Captain Cool McCong

[00:23:50] Steve Riplinger, Louise D'Art.

[00:23:54] I'm trying to think of us.

[00:23:57] Johnny Anthony Bailey who would later do

[00:23:59] with all movies on Wonderbug.

[00:24:02] Hey, you got him put it in somewhere.

[00:24:05] I was trying to remember.

[00:24:08] What was that?

[00:24:10] I was trying to remember

[00:24:11] I kept trying to remember

[00:24:13] on the Crofts Super Show I think it was

[00:24:15] or something about it all I kept coming up

[00:24:17] with speed buggy is that's not it.

[00:24:19] It's like a live actually wonderful.

[00:24:21] Yeah, Wonderbug and he said it.

[00:24:22] How about that?

[00:24:24] It's Schlepp car when it's like the piece of crap

[00:24:28] and it's Wonderbug when it hits the horn.

[00:24:30] I remember watching the history of theater

[00:24:33] and they get alien from LA

[00:24:35] and they're traveling on this dude bugging

[00:24:37] and Mike goes, hey look at Schlepp car

[00:24:40] and I was like, oh my God, I remember that

[00:24:42] for some strange reason

[00:24:44] and it took me a minute to realize okay,

[00:24:47] I get that reference but you look at it

[00:24:51] I mean they were bridging,

[00:24:55] they were now getting to more live action stuff.

[00:25:00] The imaginary stuff was disappearing

[00:25:03] like if you look at Bigfoot and Wildboy

[00:25:07] that was kind of like boring.

[00:25:11] Did they try to use the same actor who played Bigfoot

[00:25:14] in the cents million dollar man?

[00:25:15] No, no different guys want to

[00:25:19] because that is a butcher.

[00:25:22] Was it Ray Blitzer?

[00:25:23] I think we are.

[00:25:24] Or Ray on Joey Blitzer.

[00:25:27] Joe Blitzer, Wildboy.

[00:25:31] But Ray Young they had the same outfit almost for

[00:25:37] I can always look it up and see if it was the same guy

[00:25:40] but all I remember is that cross super show

[00:25:45] there's still land of the lost

[00:25:46] they were running in a cross super show

[00:25:48] and then they did far out space nuts

[00:25:52] with Bob Denver

[00:25:55] and I can't think of the other guy.

[00:25:57] Chuck McCann.

[00:25:58] Chuck McCann

[00:26:00] and I remember that they did

[00:26:03] with the far out space nuts

[00:26:05] that was the first time I think they moved from NBC

[00:26:08] because they were doing ABC,

[00:26:09] they were doing the cross super show

[00:26:14] and I don't know if like was it

[00:26:16] and I'm trying to remember

[00:26:18] did it go Captain Cool and the Cogs

[00:26:20] and then the base TV rollers

[00:26:22] or was it the base TV rollers

[00:26:23] then Captain Cool and the Cogs?

[00:26:25] I want to say it was Captain Cool and the Cogs first

[00:26:28] and then base TV rollers

[00:26:30] and we can't forget the lost saucer

[00:26:32] with Ruth Busy and Jim neighbors

[00:26:34] and her

[00:26:36] with a hotel.

[00:26:37] The Billy Hayes and some guy pretending

[00:26:39] to be

[00:26:41] Charles Nelson Riley when the guy who was playing

[00:26:45] Charles Nelson Riley was some guy

[00:26:47] I didn't know who it was.

[00:26:48] I think Charles Nelson Riley was doing like

[00:26:55] like match game or something every other week

[00:26:57] or something like that.

[00:26:59] That's why you brought up Chuck McCann

[00:27:01] there's another guy, another comedian.

[00:27:03] You know we got to bring up ghost busters as well

[00:27:05] by the F-Troop guys.

[00:27:06] That's right.

[00:27:07] That was filmation.

[00:27:09] That was filmation.

[00:27:10] That was filmation.

[00:27:11] That was filmation.

[00:27:12] That was filmation.

[00:27:14] Oh, it was filmation.

[00:27:15] But you know, you got to think they were

[00:27:17] filmation was starting to do that,

[00:27:19] you know, that crazy live action stuff

[00:27:21] because they did

[00:27:23] Uncle Crocs block

[00:27:26] at that.

[00:27:27] Okay, so that's what happened.

[00:27:28] He was doing Uncle Crocs block

[00:27:30] and I think

[00:27:32] that's why they couldn't get him to do a horror hotel

[00:27:36] because he was doing Uncle Crocs block

[00:27:38] and they kind of like, you know,

[00:27:41] Mary,

[00:27:42] you know, never the two shall meet

[00:27:44] or something like, you know, that's what I look at.

[00:27:46] But

[00:27:47] was so I remember because

[00:27:49] I was like, why is Ruth Busy and Jim

[00:27:52] neighbors there are two robots?

[00:27:54] And then if you look, Alice Platon

[00:27:56] was on the show

[00:27:58] and she played one of the goblins in legend.

[00:28:01] Oh, damn.

[00:28:02] That's Tom Cruise.

[00:28:05] And I was, I was friends with her husband.

[00:28:08] The guy who did the Joshua White

[00:28:10] who was the guy who did the Joshua Light show

[00:28:13] for the,

[00:28:14] for the, for the film more back in the 60s.

[00:28:18] And he became like a television producer

[00:28:20] and stuff like that.

[00:28:21] So there's a lot

[00:28:23] of things that like I was

[00:28:25] playing past away, unfortunately,

[00:28:27] at a very young age

[00:28:28] from diabetes.

[00:28:29] But she was a very talented woman.

[00:28:31] And I remember the lost saucer.

[00:28:33] Magic Mongo.

[00:28:35] Because I don't say I had a crush on her lean limb back.

[00:28:39] Don't ask me why I just did.

[00:28:43] I see you're low into love.

[00:28:45] You know,

[00:28:46] you've had crushes on like

[00:28:48] you two Chevy chicks for a long time.

[00:28:50] Don't ask me why I just do.

[00:28:52] That's obvious.

[00:28:53] I'm not going to say that.

[00:28:54] I'm not going to say that.

[00:28:55] I'm not going to say that.

[00:28:56] I'm not going to say that.

[00:28:57] I'm not going to say that.

[00:29:00] I'm not going to say that.

[00:29:01] I'm not going to say that.

[00:29:03] That's obvious.

[00:29:07] Okay, alright, all right.

[00:29:08] Okay.

[00:29:11] But, um.

[00:29:18] I kind of always see the crops

[00:29:20] is like the epitome of live action 70s.

[00:29:23] Kids TV shows.

[00:29:25] And, you know, the band Drill Sisters and let's not forget they did bring us pink lady and Jeff.

[00:29:35] You know someone had to.

[00:29:41] I mean, that was. That's him he was like the beginning of the end for them, you know.

[00:29:47] Because they'd done Donnie Marie and the osmonds.

[00:29:52] I don't know if they did.

[00:29:54] Captain and you learn not. They did the Brady punch for a righty hour, I think.

[00:30:03] And to me it was like, you know, they should have just stayed with kids television, you know, but they were, they were looking to expand themselves.

[00:30:10] And sit in Marty were, you know, just going along with the flow and then they brought along DC follies and priors police, which was like their big comeback, you know.

[00:30:25] Because I remember everybody saying if you guys remember Richard prior having a Saturday morning cartoon show, a kid show.

[00:30:34] Yeah.

[00:30:35] What is he thinking?

[00:30:38] What's the thing? This guy's supposed to be the dirtiest guy on, you know, 30 comic. You know, he's a part where he'd come.

[00:30:44] Well prior wanted to show you it was more than just a comedian.

[00:30:48] And he did a good job doing it, you know.

[00:30:50] Yeah.

[00:30:52] I think anyone who takes the chance even if it doesn't end up successful.

[00:30:57] I put them just equal with not to slightly above bill Cosby and the cosmic kids.

[00:31:02] Yeah, because it because you expected Bill Cosby to be the wholesome guy.

[00:31:07] You did expect that from Richard prior, so he's playing out of type.

[00:31:11] But you did such a great job and I still remember the opening to their prior to this day.

[00:31:17] And because it what?

[00:31:20] What year was prior's place?

[00:31:22] Because I might not have been well, I mean, because I remember the show, I just never watched it.

[00:31:26] I might have been too old at the time.

[00:31:28] I don't remember.

[00:31:29] I think it's the same.

[00:31:31] Yeah, definitely.

[00:31:32] Yeah.

[00:31:33] Eight six maybe at the latest.

[00:31:35] It's what CBS was starting to phase out their live cartoons.

[00:31:39] It was still around when.

[00:31:41] Month that babies were on and.

[00:31:45] And dragon.

[00:31:46] Around the time of like the smurf and all that.

[00:31:49] Yeah, yeah, it was towards the end of the 80s in the mid,

[00:31:53] mid to end of the 80s, Bill.

[00:31:55] From what I remember.

[00:31:56] And.

[00:31:58] It showed you that he Richard prior was a multi talented person.

[00:32:02] Because I remember he played Willie Nelson is playing with them.

[00:32:07] They're playing the song and.

[00:32:09] Richard prior plays the sax and everyone's gone, is that dubbed in there like no, that's really him playing the saxophone.

[00:32:16] You know, and if anybody remembers.

[00:32:19] He burned himself really bad.

[00:32:22] Yes.

[00:32:23] And he was a great.

[00:32:25] For that.

[00:32:26] And.

[00:32:27] Great Turner, closing movies.

[00:32:29] Podcast called the plot thickens that goes in the word detail on him.

[00:32:33] His constant, you know, setting his houses on fire.

[00:32:37] Relationship with Pam Greer.

[00:32:39] It's worth listening.

[00:32:43] But he had a lot of people on those shows that you never would expect, you know.

[00:32:48] And I think he was trying to bridge himself out more in a show.

[00:32:51] And I think he was trying to make a great, you know,

[00:32:53] a great, you know,

[00:32:54] a great, you know,

[00:32:55] maybe this X-rated comic, you know,

[00:32:57] who's.

[00:32:58] Who makes these great funny movies, but.

[00:33:01] I can,

[00:33:02] I can show kids that.

[00:33:03] You know, I want to them too, you know.

[00:33:05] And virtually the, you know,

[00:33:06] the suits up at CVS were like.

[00:33:08] Well, it's not getting the ratings we should be getting.

[00:33:11] I'm accent, you know.

[00:33:12] Get out of here.

[00:33:13] And that's how, you know, that's what it is.

[00:33:16] You know, that's the thing with.

[00:33:17] You know, that's the thing.

[00:33:19] You know,

[00:33:20] I think that's the reason why they're doing this.

[00:33:22] If it's not getting ratings, they actually, you know.

[00:33:25] Happens.

[00:33:26] I think that was the last big gasp.

[00:33:28] Sid and Marty had.

[00:33:31] And they kind of faded into the background.

[00:33:34] You know, there was, you know,

[00:33:35] they did do a remake of.

[00:33:37] I saw that they produced a bunch of other like puppets for like whenever there was like a.

[00:33:43] Music video special or something,

[00:33:44] you know,

[00:33:46] they lost contact.

[00:33:47] We didn't realize.

[00:33:48] Oh,

[00:33:49] you know, we would have probably thought.

[00:33:50] Oh, that's someone doing a knockoff of cross is like,

[00:33:52] oh, that is the crops,

[00:33:53] but they're not advertising it in bold letters.

[00:33:55] And when nobody remembers as they had their own.

[00:33:59] Theme park.

[00:34:01] In us.

[00:34:02] In and center was.

[00:34:03] That's an accomplishment.

[00:34:05] Yeah.

[00:34:06] Yeah.

[00:34:07] It only lasted.

[00:34:08] I think maybe.

[00:34:09] 16 18 months.

[00:34:12] And you know, it was, it was pretty good for its time.

[00:34:16] But you know, they couldn't keep up with Disney land.

[00:34:20] And the ride,

[00:34:21] I think the rides kept breaking down and, you know,

[00:34:23] was all this other stuff and.

[00:34:25] You know,

[00:34:26] It was kind of like, okay, we will shut it down and, you know,

[00:34:29] Ted Ternick had built something there, you know.

[00:34:33] I think the one thing.

[00:34:36] Everybody can kind of remember is that they did do a remake of Land of the Lost.

[00:34:41] Yeah.

[00:34:42] I think it was.

[00:34:43] It was in the 90s.

[00:34:44] Yeah.

[00:34:45] Yeah.

[00:34:46] Not as good.

[00:34:48] As the original.

[00:34:51] Because.

[00:34:54] I'm trying to remember, I mean,

[00:34:55] it looked like regular trees and ground and,

[00:34:58] and you know,

[00:34:59] yeah.

[00:35:00] It didn't look like the swampy kind of feel that the original had.

[00:35:05] It wasn't only that,

[00:35:07] but if you remember in the original Land of the Lost,

[00:35:10] the family dynamic was always there, you know, because.

[00:35:15] Mark Rick, Rick, Rick was the dad and Rick, Rick knew what to do.

[00:35:21] Will was a little hot headed.

[00:35:23] Holly was very like naive and childlike, but you know,

[00:35:26] she kind of knew things that no one else knew about.

[00:35:29] And then as time went on and remember.

[00:35:32] Sprinkle Milligan was only there for two seasons.

[00:35:36] I mean, I think he got.

[00:35:37] He basically dropped out because of the fact that they were producing all this stuff,

[00:35:42] because you gotta remember Land of the Lost was the big cash cow for them.

[00:35:46] His likeness was on lunch boxes and trading cards like.

[00:35:50] They weren't seeing a dime of that and he got mad.

[00:35:52] He's like, you know,

[00:35:53] he didn't he told the.

[00:35:54] I think he told the pretty told the crops.

[00:35:57] Look, if I don't see.

[00:35:59] You're paying me how much a week.

[00:36:01] But you've got my name,

[00:36:02] you know, you got my likeness on all this stuff.

[00:36:04] And we're not seeing a dime of it.

[00:36:05] And they said, well then you can go.

[00:36:08] And they brought in the guy who was the other astronaut from a.

[00:36:12] Land of the from a plan of the apes.

[00:36:15] The bond.

[00:36:17] Yes.

[00:36:18] Are.

[00:36:19] I'm James.

[00:36:20] Francis.

[00:36:21] No, yeah.

[00:36:22] The guy who's on the TV show with James Norton.

[00:36:27] I knew his name.

[00:36:32] It's a great tip of my tongue.

[00:36:34] I'm not sure if he played.

[00:36:36] He played work.

[00:36:38] And not to be burden.

[00:36:39] Verden.

[00:36:40] Moses name.

[00:36:43] Damn it.

[00:36:46] That guy.

[00:36:50] Guy, who did that one thing that one time?

[00:36:52] Yeah.

[00:36:53] He's in a lot of TV shows too for one or remember.

[00:36:57] Let me look at that.

[00:36:58] Hold on.

[00:36:59] Give me a minute guys.

[00:37:02] I'm not sure.

[00:37:04] I'm thinking about the plan of the apes TV show.

[00:37:08] I.

[00:37:10] I'm.

[00:37:12] I'm.

[00:37:13] I might be mixing up my order here, but didn't they use the new guy in line of loss as much an uncle who was trying to find them?

[00:37:19] Yeah, he was an uncle.

[00:37:21] And the uncle passed through the.

[00:37:26] Time.

[00:37:28] I was a little bit.

[00:37:38] I was a little bit.

[00:37:39] I was a little bit.

[00:37:41] Ron Harper was the uncle.

[00:37:42] Ron Harper was the uncle.

[00:37:44] That was his name.

[00:37:45] It was uncle Bill or.

[00:37:46] And all we remember is that all these says, well, you know, dad went through the tunnel.

[00:37:50] Well, I was coming down the same way and I came down the same way you did so you guys.

[00:37:54] And I was like, you know, you guys are kind of.

[00:37:57] You guys were talking about that.

[00:37:59] Yeah.

[00:38:00] Like a bad soap opera.

[00:38:01] But the strange thing is that.

[00:38:04] They actually had a guy from UCLA.

[00:38:06] Create the language that Chaka had.

[00:38:08] Which was the Bikuni language.

[00:38:12] They had the Bikuni language.

[00:38:13] And then like the third season was a chocolate could speak English.

[00:38:17] I was like, you know, I was like, you know, I was like, I was like, it was kind of.

[00:38:22] It kind of jumped the shark at that point.

[00:38:25] But what I do remember is, you know, that was their big.

[00:38:31] That's the thing they're most remembered for.

[00:38:34] You know, the other shows you remember.

[00:38:36] Land of the lost one that's always hit us in the head, you know, because it was dinosaur.

[00:38:41] They had guys working up from like.

[00:38:44] And then you guys, you were going to work for Star Wars and stuff like that.

[00:38:47] I think, I think working on the dinosaurs and stuff like they had that guys.

[00:38:52] They had the people like paleontologists come in and do like, okay, this is how a bronchie source would move.

[00:38:57] This is how T Rex would move.

[00:38:59] And this is how, you know, a, you know, a, you know, a dresser of tops would move.

[00:39:05] You know, they had to learn how to do all this stuff.

[00:39:07] So it didn't look like it was like, you know, she'd ask claymation.

[00:39:12] It looked like they were like real freaking dinosaurs and they all cost it.

[00:39:16] I have the force perspective hand puppets come into play.

[00:39:20] Yeah.

[00:39:22] So, I think that's what made it.

[00:39:24] Land of the lost so fun to watch.

[00:39:27] And you know, when you think about it.

[00:39:30] The 70s, that whole thing was, you know, bringing the imagination to life.

[00:39:36] You know, I mean, we can, we can do without the base city rollers.

[00:39:40] And you know, the whole thing was bringing this color and this vibe, vibe of color and vibration to life.

[00:39:49] You know, because I always, I always look at everything and go.

[00:39:53] It's like, I kind of look and go.

[00:39:56] It was so far out to see all this stuff, you know.

[00:40:00] Yeah, and even going back to the base city rollers for a moment, they, I just, I think that the cross did bring that additional kind of player to it.

[00:40:09] And I mean, if you remember the, the, the quote unquote live performances.

[00:40:14] Yeah.

[00:40:15] So the backgrounds were always very bright and had clear boxes of lighting and different things like that.

[00:40:23] And you had fireworks.

[00:40:25] So to me, that was.

[00:40:27] I think it's in my rock.

[00:40:29] We're tapping into that.

[00:40:31] And also tapping into the winnings.

[00:40:33] That was the basic rollers.

[00:40:36] And they, they kind of had this thing where they thought the base city rollers.

[00:40:40] We're going to go big over in America because you remember roller mean had hit England and Europe and Australia.

[00:40:47] And Japan.

[00:40:49] So they were kind of like looking at it going, OK, bring them here.

[00:40:53] International word of mouth kind of.

[00:40:55] Yeah, the thing I was was that.

[00:40:59] I mean, it had hit America.

[00:41:02] But it was what they hit them when they brought, probably brought more for the show that was stirring to rain a lot.

[00:41:11] Yeah.

[00:41:12] You're going, undergoing a lot of turmoil in the band and.

[00:41:16] Most of the people and there's documentary about the base of the rollers.

[00:41:20] And I don't think if I'm ever going to wait, I don't think many of them wanted to do it, but the money was there.

[00:41:25] And I think it would have been the ones who really would have pushed it would have been left.

[00:41:31] Yeah, but beyond that.

[00:41:33] It was by will say this even though it was kind of poorly done there was always there's a memorable God Mr. Munchie.

[00:41:42] Yes, Mr. Munchie was.

[00:41:45] And maybe that show Mr. Munchie was to that show what Gigi Dayton machine was to the gonch.

[00:41:52] New it was going to come, but you never.

[00:41:56] And you knew what's going to happen.

[00:41:59] But you always loved it when it happened.

[00:42:01] And the thing that gets me those that they brought them over and they had fixed Scottish accents.

[00:42:09] And I understand what the hell they were saying.

[00:42:12] But when you when you watch it again, you're like, oh, yeah, it's like, oh, you know, there, it's like the Beatles.

[00:42:18] You know, the Beatles had those cute liver, pudley and accents.

[00:42:22] These guys were Scottish, you know, that's the accents, but you hear it in the end, you're like, oh, okay, you know, but you got into rollermania was peaking as punk coming along.

[00:42:34] And so they were kind of getting swept out.

[00:42:38] And like you said, there was a lot of turmoil going on at that time too.

[00:42:42] Is if you watch the show, there was five to start out with.

[00:42:45] And then four.

[00:42:49] Yeah, it's a bunch and the.

[00:42:52] Yeah.

[00:42:54] It was a turn.

[00:42:57] And then the other one, the other one.

[00:43:00] And then the other one.

[00:43:01] Alan Allen was the one who they brought back in even though he wasn't really with the band anymore, but they brought him in for the show.

[00:43:07] And there's still something off.

[00:43:11] Now that I think back, it's like, well, the cracks were there.

[00:43:15] It was just.

[00:43:17] I was too young to really recognize it.

[00:43:20] And basically, they were all kind of imploded with separate ways, gadgets and legal battles with their four major and themselves.

[00:43:31] Yeah, unfortunately, unfortunately we've lost less maternal and.

[00:43:39] And we lost Alan.

[00:43:42] Yeah, Alan's gone.

[00:43:45] And then there's a lot of.

[00:43:48] Eric Long.

[00:43:49] I think it's still with us.

[00:43:51] Yeah, but he went into like medicine or something like that.

[00:43:55] So he's not as much into it.

[00:43:57] Eric is still doing his own music.

[00:44:00] Yeah.

[00:44:01] And what he is is actually touring with the base to your rollers.

[00:44:05] Who's the one that got physical trouble?

[00:44:08] Yeah, I think it's less.

[00:44:10] Passed away and that kind of went by the wayside.

[00:44:13] But so what he's still doing his own and they're putting out, they putting out original music and.

[00:44:18] Good.

[00:44:21] Good.

[00:44:22] I'm happy to hear that.

[00:44:23] Yeah, we need it out of this.

[00:44:25] I'm just tired of hearing some of the people who have just you know been kicked out of the industry.

[00:44:29] It's like not everyone can be that poorly behave candy.

[00:44:33] Well,

[00:44:35] if anybody remembers I told the story about pink lady and Jeff.

[00:44:39] How that went when they, they saw.

[00:44:43] Pink lady has this big thing in Japan.

[00:44:47] And I think they had a couple hits over here.

[00:44:49] They just kind of like.

[00:44:50] Or the top 50 with stuff and they said all right bring them over here.

[00:44:54] And Jeff Altman, you know he's, he's ready to do you know he's a community is a great comedian in my opinion.

[00:45:01] And he's, he comes over.

[00:45:06] First day they're filming.

[00:45:08] And he says.

[00:45:11] Highly, he's Jeff and.

[00:45:14] The interpreter turns them and he says something and they go they say something back to the interpreter they say hello Jeff and.

[00:45:21] And he just goes.

[00:45:22] Oh great.

[00:45:23] Oh no, you know I was kind of like going.

[00:45:26] And he says.

[00:45:28] And he says, you know I should put some here you know and if you watch the show they're all speaking of phonetic.

[00:45:32] Like this and Jeff yes.

[00:45:35] It is really good to see you like you know and you're like just like Jesus Christ you know.

[00:45:42] I I you know I remember Donnie Marie being funny.

[00:45:46] Because Donnie Marie they really knew how to like Donnie never took themself seriously.

[00:45:51] I don't think Marie took themself seriously.

[00:45:54] And I think the man Drill sisters I still remember.

[00:45:59] Yeah, my grandma used to watch it every Saturday night.

[00:46:02] And I didn't know Barbara and her sisters were like talented musicians like they could really play instruments like Barbara can play the pedal steal.

[00:46:11] There's video for playing the pedal studio guitar and I'm like holy shit you know.

[00:46:18] I always said they they brought out a lot of great things in people you know.

[00:46:23] Which is good because you see so many other people who are kind of just milking someone to death that you like to actually see a sense of come rotary.

[00:46:32] Like what yes this is a business but we're all happy to be here.

[00:46:36] We have to think after the 80s you know as I said they kind of faded into the the obscurity of you know what pop you know what pop culture was for us growing up.

[00:46:47] We were in our generation generation X or you know baby boomer whatever the hell we're called.

[00:46:55] You know we we were slowly getting back to where things were you know like they were these little things of nostalgia and stuff like that you remember that yeah remember.

[00:47:07] And Nickelodeon nick and night as I said put on that puff of pollusa thing.

[00:47:15] And the the ratings went through the roof that night because everybody was watching that show.

[00:47:21] And Cameron Cameron you said you watched it on the family channel that was the next step because the family channel was trying to keep pace with Saturday mornings they said hey let's get the crofts on.

[00:47:36] Let's put the bugle loose on yeah they were put H.R. puff and stuff on we'll put on you know segment in the sea monsters we'll put on you know the loss you know spread space that's in.

[00:47:51] All those other great shows you know they remember they were doing the problems wouldn't it be great to be a kid again.

[00:47:59] And here I was 21 years old.

[00:48:02] And I felt like I was seven years old again eight years old watching these shows coming out of you know CCD class you know and you know remembering the lyrics to H.R. puff and stuff singing singing singing them as I'm you know as my parents are just looking at me going.

[00:48:24] And then I was like, what's the reason maybe it.

[00:48:30] Oh people just I think your parents are kind of emulating.

[00:48:37] And then what seems to be the case with today's like media like if it's not a rating says oh it doesn't matter toss it away forget about it.

[00:48:47] Yeah why someone out there saw it and liked it.

[00:48:52] Just that I'm sorry Tom.

[00:48:55] Now the thing about it was that the crops came in at just the right time for their style of entertainment.

[00:49:04] You could not do that stuff in the 80s so when they tried to branch out into more variety shows.

[00:49:10] They had some success but it still wasn't quite the crop look the crop feel it was just.

[00:49:21] Yeah, the heyday for the variety shows was the seventies and the eighties that started to die off with it.

[00:49:30] Yeah basically.

[00:49:33] And the thing was was that you know the retro the retro movement began in the nineties when we were all starting to look back on hey you know that that was really cool stuff you know.

[00:49:47] And this is what set me on my path to do what I do now.

[00:49:52] Because it was like the internet was just starting to come out and you know we were deep diving into these old shows.

[00:50:01] I love baby.

[00:50:04] Yeah.

[00:50:07] What I remember is just sitting there like being in college going through the internet and like my team you know I had to do a thing about you know famous TV shows.

[00:50:16] And I said you know everybody picked like you know the honey moonaers or you know you know this that I said well what should I do.

[00:50:26] I could do it your puff and stuff I could do them sit on that sit and already crop.

[00:50:30] And I said you know this show was popular because I did land of the losses it.

[00:50:35] This show is popular because a it was something I had not tried to try before you know stop motion animation be it was a continued story of a family.

[00:50:44] A parental unit a single parental unit.

[00:50:47] Because where was mom we never heard about mom.

[00:50:51] You know and it was taking place in the world that was prehistoric but yet futuristic so science fiction you know this is something that you know a lot of people.

[00:51:03] So this is these these these these two guys were stretching themselves into places we'd never been to before you know and the psychedelic movement.

[00:51:14] And the thing was to their influence was felt all over the place I remember seeing Mr show in 96 where they did a Sam and criminy croff.

[00:51:28] And they showed their show drugachusetts.

[00:51:34] It was a take on Dave cross dressed up as Jack wild and did the best Jack wild imitation I've ever seen in my life.

[00:51:47] And the whole thing was like you know instead of a flute it's a bond.

[00:51:54] And it was you got to watch this sketch it's the author state of drugachusetts.

[00:51:59] And God bless God bless you know Dave and you know you know God bless the guys on Mr show for doing that because it was just so it was just it just brought us back to where we were, you know.

[00:52:14] And we were just blown in this week we could see yeah maybe it was something to do with pop but then you think there's a little maybe it was maybe it's just the way their minds were you know.

[00:52:26] I just the plot anywhere for for experimenting with those because you know we've done other movies and shows where they were pretty much just trying to get away with like doing not a stuff on prime time TV in this case these guys are just legit just trying to put on a show every day it is literally a film circus it's.

[00:52:43] But I don't know why it's lost the time why it's kind of word of mouth like you'd have to ask your grandparents or uncle at this point hey you saw that of course I saw as all we saw.

[00:52:55] Yeah I've been thinking about this and it's several more Saturday morning shows.

[00:53:03] St. Marty Crock would be up there along with Lou Schreiner especially I think international or Canadian produced syndicated material.

[00:53:13] Yeah you could not if you grew up in the 70s you would be touched by either Lou Schreiner's work or by Sid Martin Crofts and even his 80s too but the bottom line is that Sid Martin Croft took an elevator at the game of Saturday morning television whether it made so that if it came part of our cultural history.

[00:53:40] And there's a reason why they tried to revamp electric woman and dining girl that's taking the sea monsters and landing the roster to reason why they tried to do that is because there is that that's inner they had that type of memory has a tender hooks in us.

[00:53:59] So we're always going to go back and say oh that's that's revisited and unfortunately the remixed rarely if ever reach that reach the level that we remember the shows by I've been watching the.

[00:54:14] There's like a cup I thought there were like there were a couple of remakes of the left woman and Diana girl there's one icon online that I caught it's like it's okay for what it is but it's not the original.

[00:54:27] The original was over the top it was campy it was Batman but with with women in the roles of batman and robin.

[00:54:35] Fucking what yeah I was noticing with electric woman and I got watch the episode and it's like boy that sounds like the Batman music but it's kind of off because they were playing music it was like very Batman like but it was not quite.

[00:54:50] Did you guys have you guys ever noticed there's like some people that were playing like they had Michael Constantine as the sorcerer Michael Constantine and Judy strands is were on room to 22 together.

[00:55:05] Yeah play the principal there was I mean they got said he'd be on that show I think.

[00:55:11] Michael, Michael, I was from plate plate somebody in that show was like Michael, you'd remember from beyond the value and the beyond the value of the dolls he played Lance rock.

[00:55:26] The blonde hair blue wide guy who's also in Catalina Caper.

[00:55:31] He was also married back to Bernie's last husband.

[00:55:37] And if you look at electric woman and diner grow I think a lot of those I think a lot of those guys from Batman wrote on that show too.

[00:55:49] I release they were heavily influenced yeah yeah and the thing is too when they tried to do the remakes.

[00:55:58] They tried to put their own little spin on stuff and I'm kind of like thinking I was like when I saw the lambda the lost movie I was like, you know it's great.

[00:56:09] But it's just it's just not the same you know um well they tried to show they they threw some elements into the movie that wasn't really explored as far as I can remember yeah original land of the lost.

[00:56:24] I think the one thing that gets me is they had a cameo by Kathy Coleman and Wesley Wesley your.

[00:56:33] As a year old in it and they cut it.

[00:56:37] And I mean that would have been a great cameo to see the two of them, you know with Will Ferrell's character you know.

[00:56:45] The thing I love about segment of the sea monsters was that now here's something I found out when you watch segment in the sea monsters or any of those shows.

[00:56:55] We got to give credit to the little people that did those puppets.

[00:57:00] Oh yeah.

[00:57:02] The puppeteers are my heroes along the guy.

[00:57:05] The guy who were the guy we're leaving out is two people, a couple of people Shannon Barrett.

[00:57:12] He was still with us.

[00:57:14] Shannon Barrett right and Billy Barty Billy Barty Sparky to Firefly and he also was segment.

[00:57:23] And the thing was Shannon Barrett said those costumes were made on a foam rubber when they did like those shows.

[00:57:30] And they were like well, you know, you know, you know, you're getting wetting like crazy because if you think you know you think in foam rubbery thing it's not that bad.

[00:57:35] That's those are key lights that are under and if you watch land the lost or anything like that.

[00:57:43] Here's something interesting.

[00:57:45] Bill Lane beer.

[00:57:47] Anybody who was a basketball fan.

[00:57:49] Yeah.

[00:57:51] Boom.

[00:57:57] And absolutely.

[00:57:59] The, the, the, the.

[00:58:01] The, the.

[00:58:02] The, the.

[00:58:04] The desk kit.

[00:58:06] The, the, the, the, the,

[00:58:07] If you were those costumes, especially Billy Barney,

[00:58:12] they had to like,

[00:58:14] you would hear the director say, if you hear it,

[00:58:16] they would dub it.

[00:58:17] But the director would be like, okay, forward, forward,

[00:58:20] forward, move to your left, move to your right,

[00:58:24] forward, forward, okay, stop.

[00:58:27] Because they couldn't see so they had good eyes slits.

[00:58:29] So if you look carefully sometimes,

[00:58:31] you can see the eyes slits in the costumes.

[00:58:33] Yeah.

[00:58:35] Like, the sleetbacks, those helmets,

[00:58:40] those tops didn't fit like they put them over and like somebody

[00:58:45] would be like, we can't see anything.

[00:58:46] So the director would be like, okay, move slow,

[00:58:49] move slow, move slow,

[00:58:52] put your arms up, stop.

[00:58:56] Because they had to do that all mine and stuff like that, you know?

[00:59:00] But, you know, we got to give credit

[00:59:03] to those people that were in those costumes for all those years.

[00:59:06] Yeah, definitely.

[00:59:07] Before they gave it up and they were doing like, you know,

[00:59:10] magic mongo and, you know,

[00:59:12] and also we got to thank them for bringing back the cross

[00:59:16] for bringing back Jay Robinson.

[00:59:19] Yes.

[00:59:20] The drinker.

[00:59:21] And Billy Barney was also his assistant.

[00:59:24] Yeah, Hugo.

[00:59:27] Because Jay Robinson at that time was still coming back

[00:59:31] from some legal issues that he had.

[00:59:35] And he'd been doing like, be rich, you know,

[00:59:37] he'd done places.

[00:59:38] Oh yeah.

[00:59:39] Dr. Schrinker, he got to come back.

[00:59:42] And the thing is, is that a lot of people have said,

[00:59:45] you know, I remember him, you played Dr. Schrinker.

[00:59:48] A lot of people remember him from the robe or bunny lake

[00:59:50] is missing or the measuries and the gladiators.

[00:59:54] I remember him from Barney Miller when I was a kid.

[00:59:59] But I remember him most of all, Dr. Schrinker, you know,

[01:00:03] nice.

[01:00:06] You know, that's the great thing about it.

[01:00:07] You know, they'd always bring these people in it.

[01:00:10] You know, my father would be like,

[01:00:10] Hey, what's he doing on this show?

[01:00:11] You know, but that's my father's way of saying,

[01:00:15] Hey, what's he doing on this show me?

[01:00:16] Hey, I remember just washed up.

[01:00:18] Now he's on this.

[01:00:19] But yeah, I mean, you guys think the cross.

[01:00:24] And God bless Sid and Marty when Sid joins Marty on the other side.

[01:00:33] That's one part of our childhood that's gone.

[01:00:36] You know, I know for a while that they were also selling

[01:00:43] like blocks of, of, um, Sid and Marty cross shows.

[01:00:48] I think they had like three volumes it had shows everything from the

[01:00:53] bucket was all the way up to a match Bongo.

[01:00:55] That's cool.

[01:00:56] Yeah, they were doing forever.

[01:00:58] Nice to you.

[01:00:58] But I've always had that urge like, Oh, I'm talking about bird.

[01:01:03] Do I hold off?

[01:01:07] Well, they did a bugle lose box set.

[01:01:10] And they didn't age for puffing stuff box set.

[01:01:14] And they were going to re-release like all the shows and then they just

[01:01:16] stopped.

[01:01:18] If you want to remember the bugle lose box set, it's like a hope is a

[01:01:22] shillow to money.

[01:01:24] You know, my ex wife was actually going to get it from me.

[01:01:27] She was like, you know, it's thinking about getting you the bugle

[01:01:29] lose on DVD.

[01:01:31] But I was like, I don't know, you know, I was like, I'm going,

[01:01:36] I was kind of going, you know, if yeah, if you'd gotten that for me,

[01:01:41] well, you know, don't worry about it.

[01:01:43] You know, just kind of like, you know, kicking myself in that head.

[01:01:45] Jesus Christ.

[01:01:47] But I'm going to have to get really how connected are you to your

[01:01:50] kidneys?

[01:01:54] Yeah, yeah.

[01:01:56] You know, I've been like, if you'd put on a, you know, if I, I just,

[01:02:01] I said this joke one time and somebody said, if she put on the

[01:02:04] joy costume and said, I have a surprise for you, I would have been

[01:02:08] like, okay, you know, that's, that's, that's a little too.

[01:02:15] That's a little adult here, but you know, um, but you know,

[01:02:20] the, you know, the great thing about it was when they did the TV

[01:02:24] land awards, they, they finally gave sit and Marty Kroff the,

[01:02:30] the TV land award.

[01:02:32] And they did all the shows together like, you know, like the themes.

[01:02:40] So they had very William C.

[01:02:43] H. R. Puff and something that the bugle lose they had Cindy

[01:02:47] Wopper doing a lecture woman and Dining Girl.

[01:02:51] Um, I think Barry Williams saying the land of the lost team.

[01:02:55] Um, I don't know what else they did.

[01:02:58] But if you watch it on a, on video, Billy Hayes was, you know,

[01:03:05] pastor prime and we were wondering who did which he proved.

[01:03:09] It was Mindy Sterling.

[01:03:11] Really?

[01:03:12] We're gonna say, okay.

[01:03:14] Wow.

[01:03:15] Like Billy Hayes did the same accent and everything if they had done,

[01:03:21] if they were going to redo it, I would have Mindy hit Mindy Sterling

[01:03:23] there in a heartbeat.

[01:03:26] You know, yeah.

[01:03:28] And we got to remember some of these people are gone now.

[01:03:31] You know, Jack Wilde's gone, Billy Hayes is gone.

[01:03:34] You know, Jay Robinson's gone, you know, um,

[01:03:38] you know, a lot of people have disappeared in our gone now.

[01:03:44] But that's remember them, you know, you can say Billy Hayes was

[01:03:48] greatest Mammy Yoke him in Little Abner, but no, we remember his witchy pool.

[01:03:53] True.

[01:03:56] Really.

[01:03:57] Very back.

[01:03:58] The very exact we have, we had the very fact we have people who are 30,

[01:04:02] 40, 50 is healing and they, and we remember this stuff.

[01:04:08] It's a testament to just how much of an impact these people have at.

[01:04:12] They, they, it shows me a boy run for one season.

[01:04:16] But we remember him, we could ride them off.

[01:04:18] We had to just amazing things that they were able to accomplish

[01:04:24] because they tapped into imagination.

[01:04:28] And they made it, and they made it both with the kid in mind,

[01:04:32] but also with, with the adult side of it.

[01:04:37] I mean, it's almost like a, it's like a live action rock and bowling goal.

[01:04:41] They're, they're stuffed at the kids will get it, but there's something

[01:04:44] that they don't think they'll say, Oh, yeah, I get that.

[01:04:47] And yes, and Marty Groff did the very, did that very well.

[01:04:51] Totally.

[01:04:53] And we got to think too.

[01:04:54] They did sue McDonald's.

[01:04:56] Did they really?

[01:04:57] Yeah, Mara McChee's much like HR puffed stuff.

[01:05:03] Yeah, that makes sense.

[01:05:04] I'm trying to remember when Mayor McChee's came out.

[01:05:08] Probably 19.

[01:05:12] That had been in the 1970s.

[01:05:14] We had Mayor McChee's and you had the burglar or

[01:05:18] Andrew, we were big neck officer quarter miss.

[01:05:24] And all I remember is like there was a lawsuit

[01:05:27] and they, the McDonald's kind of gave them a couple, a couple of million

[01:05:31] dollars to shut up.

[01:05:32] You know, shut up cats.

[01:05:36] Burgers have fun.

[01:05:40] Have fun and they did.

[01:05:42] And you know, it's funny to sit, sit, sit,

[01:05:46] sit married a pleboid pleaming in real life.

[01:05:49] Hey, night.

[01:05:51] It's got good taste.

[01:05:52] These are yeah, yeah.

[01:05:54] So

[01:05:57] but

[01:05:59] the thing that, the thing that gets me to this day is like

[01:06:03] I put something very touching.

[01:06:05] I said, you know, the more these people pass the way,

[01:06:09] the more our childhood is starting to disappear.

[01:06:12] And Caroline L.A.

[01:06:13] Yeah.

[01:06:15] But the lose like that because they said again, I just think about it.

[01:06:20] Like, you know, with, with a lot of these people going away, you know,

[01:06:26] it's like our generation is losing

[01:06:29] the

[01:06:30] imagine, the people who had the imagination.

[01:06:32] They're losing the imagination, but I'm, I think I'm more just annoyed by how

[01:06:37] like who really preserves it?

[01:06:39] Like, unless you go to the library of Congress and they're like doing like a

[01:06:44] documentary, we're going to see this every again.

[01:06:46] Yeah.

[01:06:47] Well, nowadays things so available.

[01:06:49] I mean, it's, it's available for anyone to get their hands on if they wanted

[01:06:53] to.

[01:06:54] And some, you know, a lot of kids today, I'm finding out like my niece

[01:06:58] nephew were into some shows that were from like the 60s and stuff, which

[01:07:02] surprised me.

[01:07:03] I can't remember what they are off hand right now, but

[01:07:07] I was actually surprised that they were into the shows.

[01:07:12] I want to get my grand nephews into this stuff because I think they'd enjoy it

[01:07:19] because

[01:07:21] to me, you know, I'm on the wack, I'm the wacky uncle.

[01:07:27] My wife is, he's going to be 18 and my young, the youngest ones eight.

[01:07:33] So they're kind of like, you know, they're, they're not really into that stuff,

[01:07:38] but you know, my grand nephews, they're more in, they would be more into it

[01:07:43] because they love bugs, bunny and they love the road runner.

[01:07:46] And I said, you know, this is what Uncle J used to watch when, when I was

[01:07:50] your, when I was a little kid, you know, and that's the thing, my father,

[01:07:54] when he used to be like, I used to watch this stuff when I was your age.

[01:07:57] You know, my dad, but this was a good, this is my dad making me watch

[01:08:03] my tropolis, you know, great German expressionist cinnamon nine years old,

[01:08:10] you know, thanks dad.

[01:08:14] Yeah, you know, my thing is, you know, kids thing, you could just eat

[01:08:20] this stuff to see that there's more than life than just, you know,

[01:08:24] people screaming at each other, you know, on a TV, you know, yeah,

[01:08:28] tasteless reality.

[01:08:29] Yeah.

[01:08:31] You know, we're tick tock or something like that, you know,

[01:08:34] you know, one of the things is like, I see my niece and nephew also on the phone a

[01:08:37] lot looking at all these little clips off of them.

[01:08:41] You know, I don't know, Instagram and some of these other ones Twitter and

[01:08:46] as their, their attention spans are very short.

[01:08:51] Yeah.

[01:08:51] And that's the sad thing, you know,

[01:08:54] yeah, that's the thing that if it's not 30 seconds,

[01:08:58] you know, they don't get and I see it in their behavior too, man.

[01:09:01] I'm not, you know, saying your, your, your nieces and nephews when I say,

[01:09:06] I see a lot of kids today.

[01:09:09] The behavior is just like, you know, it's like, oh, it's not like I said before,

[01:09:13] there's zero interaction and it's like, well, why are we even,

[01:09:17] why even be bothered to be human if you just can't even like acknowledge each other in the room.

[01:09:22] Yeah, the thing with it is that that's one of the reasons why when I see certain things

[01:09:27] they're coming up, you know, physical media, I pick them up so that they were,

[01:09:31] so if somebody will always have, it won't be lost the time you won't have to wait for them

[01:09:36] to pop up on eBay.

[01:09:38] I've been getting all the rare Indiana Jones books.

[01:09:41] Some of them are going for like 42k.

[01:09:43] I'm like, get the hell out of there.

[01:09:47] But to the point, to a J.J. point, as long as there are people who will remember it,

[01:09:54] people who will seek it out, people who will talk about it with love and passion that we've done tonight,

[01:09:59] if not more.

[01:10:01] These shows will never fade completely away.

[01:10:04] They'll be there's always like a, like a watercolor, but

[01:10:10] there's always going to be somebody's.

[01:10:12] Exactly.

[01:10:13] There's a reason why I still love

[01:10:17] shows like Space Academy.

[01:10:19] If you can remember them from way out of the camp, I remember how they made me feel how cool it was

[01:10:24] so that now they have a physical copy of it and some of the other shows to go on with it is like

[01:10:29] I can go pop those in at any time and relive that childhood.

[01:10:34] And even with the sitting Marty Croft stuff to bring it full circling in,

[01:10:39] their messias were wholesome.

[01:10:42] They had, they were bits and pieces that could be, it could be some versus.

[01:10:49] But on the whole, everything they did was squeaking, was a squeaking clean as they, as they could make it

[01:10:57] and would still be true of their vision.

[01:10:59] And that's something you don't get today.

[01:11:01] Well, here's, here's something that I always found interesting was that this is,

[01:11:06] this is a story I heard Bob Denver talk about.

[01:11:10] They were filming.

[01:11:13] For our space, that's right.

[01:11:15] And Bob Denver was a trained actor and Chuck McCann is there and they said,

[01:11:24] you know, who's the villain this week?

[01:11:28] They said, well, it's somebody on them who is going to look it up.

[01:11:31] And they got John Karrie to be on the show.

[01:11:35] Oh, really nice.

[01:11:38] Nice training for all of the Sputans.

[01:11:43] Bob Denver was in, was like a strip because here he was John Karrie,

[01:11:51] the guy who played preacher and grapes of wrath, who played Dracula, you know,

[01:11:56] we've done, who was in the 10 commandments would yeah,

[01:11:59] we know he did those shitty movies were like, you know, 10 grand, you know,

[01:12:03] and everybody.

[01:12:04] But what?

[01:12:05] What?

[01:12:06] What's the he could drink?

[01:12:08] But it's John Karrie.

[01:12:11] And all I remember is like reading about like Bob Denver's like, yeah,

[01:12:14] I was like, Oh, I couldn't even talk to him for like five minutes.

[01:12:17] You know, because they were bringing in people that were like really good,

[01:12:23] you know, like they, they surely may have been, they may have been passed their

[01:12:25] prime a little bit, but, you know, it was introducing them who they knew,

[01:12:29] you know, and the thing with the sit and worry,

[01:12:33] the cruff, like you said, they're going to be on that nut rush more kids.

[01:12:37] It's going to be loose slammer and don't forget more impressed.

[01:12:40] Got you guys?

[01:12:43] Steven Murray, Croft, Anna Barbarra and Robby Spears, you know,

[01:12:50] those were the, those were those are the big four of my opinion.

[01:12:54] The prairie freely and, you know, all those, but, you know,

[01:12:58] sit in the right top.

[01:13:00] What was that Alex taught Alex taught.

[01:13:03] And he will cut you will talk a moto.

[01:13:09] Was it the other guy?

[01:13:14] Alex, talk will always be the guy.

[01:13:20] But like we've said tonight, you know, that's what makes it already cruff.

[01:13:24] So great.

[01:13:25] It was the imagination.

[01:13:27] It was a time where the 70s were just getting out of the turbulent 60s into the 70s.

[01:13:32] Things are changing.

[01:13:33] We're all changing.

[01:13:35] You know, we got, we all got it second hand.

[01:13:40] You know, from syndication and whatnot.

[01:13:43] And you know, I'm just happy they came along, you know, God bless Marty and God

[01:13:49] blessed said, you know, they were, they were in our, the, you know, the brothers who

[01:13:57] changed TV.

[01:14:03] Now and I'm glad we're having these kinds of chats because this is kind of cold

[01:14:07] and just always remind people, hey, you know, these guys exist, you know,

[01:14:12] but it's not in your minds.

[01:14:14] It's not.

[01:14:15] And we're, when we ever, when I started this podcast,

[01:14:19] I never wanted to just have a B, oh, what did you see lately on streaming?

[01:14:23] It's like, bullshit.

[01:14:24] That'll already be outdated by the time that comes out.

[01:14:27] But why not talk about something that mattered and let the passion just shine.

[01:14:33] And with these cross, obviously, the passion shine before them.

[01:14:38] And many people it, they got it.

[01:14:43] They loved what they saw and they wanted more.

[01:14:46] And as you, as you noted, obviously there were some that didn't hit off,

[01:14:50] but they still found some kind of audience as opposed to just being unintentionally

[01:14:54] trashy or, you know, downward spiral of failures.

[01:14:58] It's like, no, these guys pretty accomplished lots of side hustles,

[01:15:02] lots of lesser scene and mostly scene stuff, but still a big important pop culture

[01:15:08] magnet.

[01:15:10] You guys have to watch the North East, you salary morning previews.

[01:15:14] Yes.

[01:15:15] Fun fun time.

[01:15:17] The Crofts did one with Jimmy, with Jimmy Osman, you know, little cute little Jimmy Osman.

[01:15:24] Yes.

[01:15:25] And it's the Croft cup.

[01:15:27] It's doing it, doing a show with him and, you know, I'm afraid he's like Godzilla in Japan.

[01:15:34] Jimmy Osman up his, I'm afraid he's going to crush them or something like that.

[01:15:38] And, you know, they've got Jimmy Osman, I think he's doing too well now these days,

[01:15:43] health wise, but it's amazing to watch that they, they NBC gave them carte launch

[01:15:49] to do this Saturday morning special.

[01:15:52] You know, and seeing that NBC kind of highlighted a lot of their stuff.

[01:15:56] Yeah.

[01:15:57] Yeah.

[01:15:58] And what, what amazed me is like, you know, the Crofts once they were done with NBC,

[01:16:05] they went to ABC, they went to CPS, you know, I think NBC kind of gave them the launching

[01:16:11] point and said, okay, you take it from here.

[01:16:14] We'll just watch, you know, and CPS was just like we just need something on the mornings for now.

[01:16:21] Yeah.

[01:16:22] I remember a far out space that's being on like, like, I've been reading all the old,

[01:16:27] like, Saturday morning, like, cartoon, you know, slots when they were advertising

[01:16:34] and comic books and stuff.

[01:16:36] I'm just, and that's another missed opportunity now where you read the paper or you read

[01:16:42] a comic just to get an ad for some other medium.

[01:16:47] I mean, I just remember what looking at that stuff going man, that was a great time

[01:16:51] to be, you know, a kid.

[01:16:53] It was see like Shazam and ISIS and, you know, far out space that's in junior,

[01:16:59] you know, near was it junior?

[01:17:04] Was it you asked for it?

[01:17:06] That's stuff.

[01:17:06] You know, I'm like, I'm like, geez.

[01:17:10] You know, I used to, I used to try to hide out in our laundry room on Friday nights

[01:17:16] because I wanted to be up first thing when the cartoons would start every morning

[01:17:20] on Saturday.

[01:17:21] Did you sleep in the laundry room?

[01:17:22] Well, no, I took a stack of comic books and I would read comic books for six hours

[01:17:27] or so in the laundry room hiding for my mom because I couldn't be in my room

[01:17:32] and read comic books because she'd see the light.

[01:17:35] So I would go to the laundry room, I'd hide and I'd read comic books all night

[01:17:40] until cartoons would start the morning that I'd come out and deliver room

[01:17:43] and my mom could never understand why I was falling asleep around noon.

[01:17:47] Wow.

[01:17:48] I, I, I got comic books when I was a kid and you know my mom, my mom and my grandma

[01:17:57] and my dad loved it that I read comic books because, you know,

[01:18:01] I could tell you who the green arrow was and all that stuff.

[01:18:03] And, you know, my mom was always like, you know,

[01:18:08] I'd always bring my comic books out and she'd be like, okay,

[01:18:11] you gotta put them back because if you don't put them back, I'm throwing them out.

[01:18:14] But my mom was, my grandmother would always like be like,

[01:18:17] I got a surprise for you when I was at what I was out.

[01:18:19] And I'd be like, what is it?

[01:18:20] She said, I got you this.

[01:18:21] And I was like, you know, Captain America or you know, Spider-Man or something like that,

[01:18:26] you know, and now like from the summer of the 70s, I'm like, oh my God.

[01:18:33] It's like, it's like a day to time, you know,

[01:18:38] I'm looking at like, I'm looking at like, you know, the, the shroud of torrent or, you know,

[01:18:43] the, you know, the shroud of Batman.

[01:18:52] You know, the code of homerabi, you know, this is, this was these,

[01:18:56] these shows that the cross did and all these, these were our little total,

[01:19:02] you know, our little escapes till we had to go back to school, you know,

[01:19:07] and I knew people who learned how to read by just reading comics.

[01:19:11] Yeah, my uncle let us.

[01:19:14] And my mom would be, you know, worried about, you know, comics rotting my brain and my,

[01:19:19] I remember my uncle talking to her one time and says, what are you worried about?

[01:19:23] He's reading.

[01:19:25] Yeah.

[01:19:27] And I had a better spelling and vocabulary than anybody in my class because I read comic books.

[01:19:33] Oh yeah.

[01:19:35] Stainly alone would teach you, we would teach you the wonderful world of alliteration.

[01:19:41] Oh, come on.

[01:19:43] I learned more about how to speak properly from my mother sitting me down at like 10 o'clock in the morning after sesame street and having you watch Shakespeare so I can lose my

[01:19:58] because I don't speak with a Jersey accent.

[01:20:00] Everybody thinks I'm from like Minnesota or like, I or something like that.

[01:20:04] I mean, the most big thing I've noticed and the people think because you're from somewhere,

[01:20:08] you must have them.

[01:20:09] The people for my own have an accent.

[01:20:12] I was do have the app.

[01:20:13] Never noticed it.

[01:20:15] I was an accent.

[01:20:16] It's the no accent.

[01:20:18] There you go.

[01:20:19] It's just one of the other inner cities.

[01:20:23] Anyway, you're going to Minnesota.

[01:20:24] You gotta have this kind of accent don't you know.

[01:20:28] Bring it to the past or something warm.

[01:20:32] Yeah, don't forget to say how you're older.

[01:20:35] Yeah, the linear and only to make out a dish.

[01:20:38] We love the cat's roles.

[01:20:40] We love the spam you.

[01:20:42] And if you go fishing, ah, you go up in the and the big lane.

[01:20:47] The cops that crappy are biting this year.

[01:20:49] You know they really are.

[01:20:52] The Williams kids.

[01:20:53] Ladies and gentlemen.

[01:20:54] We've been pulling all the strings here, but hopefully we filled in the gaps.

[01:21:06] Different kinds of entertainment, different kinds of formats, different kinds of experimentation.

[01:21:13] Moving along.

[01:21:20] Moving along.

[01:21:23] Right.

[01:21:26] Another crook.

[01:21:29] You are correct.

[01:21:32] Gil Tom, Jay, always good. Just kind of just going back and forth and just circling around.

[01:21:40] I was just glad we finally got to do this. It's just such that it happened after we lost one of them.

[01:21:47] Yeah.

[01:21:49] But I'm just glad that there's a big impression on it.

[01:21:54] It's kind of almost as legendary, I guess, as other crowds that are just now getting into say something like hammer or universal monsters.

[01:22:05] If you go to enough kind of like museums or read enough film history, eventually someone's going to know that.

[01:22:12] But yeah, I like it. Like you guys say I am a little worried about older entertainment being harder to find because it keeps getting pulled after while even though there's plenty of people restoring stuff.

[01:22:26] It was a good repository for a lot of old stuff.

[01:22:29] I really was.

[01:22:31] But every once in a while, I'll see one of those channels go kapoot and it will be another year before I see them get re uploaded.

[01:22:41] They can't delete hard copy.

[01:22:44] Yeah, it's true too.

[01:22:47] Just keep collecting those tapes.

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