Pop Culture Analysis Week: The U.S. & U.K.'s Movie & TV Program Differences (with Watch If You Can’s Liam & Dave!)

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[00:00:37] Welcome to the show all. It was about time we had some more hot take field chats and some real

[00:00:56] dissection of the create the culture within already crazy pop culture so joining me here

[00:01:04] are Liam hello hello and Dave good evening good afternoon for you sorry yeah we're crazy time

[00:01:13] zones here from the watch if you can podcast show they suggested this hysterical option and I was

[00:01:24] ready to buy them like that's perfect you know we're all trying to find a few different things

[00:01:28] that would be of use and everything but yeah I know that this this is a perfect like not just

[00:01:35] a comparison but also contrast on do how I mean I even just setting up a promo image for this

[00:01:42] chat down the road I found some hysterical memes one showed what the US watches which was

[00:01:49] showing tasteless reality tv and what the UK watches which was just skyscrapers and you know

[00:01:56] quiet TV so what got you guys into various entertainment and wanted to even start a podcast

[00:02:06] so to me and Liam we've been friends now for coming up to 30 years nice so when we were

[00:02:15] when we were teenagers we used to do hospital radio I don't add do you have hospital radio

[00:02:20] over there is that even a thing hospital radio so what it is back in the UK we don't it's primarily

[00:02:30] in the UK okay well yeah I'm all ears we don't really we didn't really have other radio stations

[00:02:36] because it was very hard to get a license to have radio shows only in America you have a university

[00:02:42] camp college campus radio it's the most similar thing you've got to that so basically they'll be

[00:02:50] like you'd broadcast a hospital to sick people basically and it was it's a one way to get into

[00:02:57] radio and that's what we both did but we were like we're only 16 where are we yeah we were just

[00:03:03] kids so we did that for a few years it's all it's all voluntary and you you know you do

[00:03:08] it you take requests from the patients you just basically try and keep people entertained we used

[00:03:13] to do like a sport show as well and then we kind of fell out of it because just kind of life kind of

[00:03:19] going the way I had kids Liam moved to London things things changed and then just kind of last

[00:03:25] year we had a conversation we were like you know how can we kind of get back into the

[00:03:29] kind of medium again because we we do miss it and we did enjoy it I think that's why

[00:03:34] everyone's kind of getting into podcasts and they're now even reaching out into audio dramas

[00:03:38] in a way because they're realizing hey the whole spoken word conversation with no visual is

[00:03:47] just intriguing but the the thing that kind of happened next was okay we want to do a podcast

[00:03:51] but what's it going to be about yeah what do we do it could have been it could have been sports

[00:03:57] it could have been other things but we just decided again thinking about how long we've been

[00:04:02] friends we've been going to cinema together for we think probably coming up to 35 years in the

[00:04:07] next couple of years because we started going to cinema together again as like as teenagers so

[00:04:13] TV and film have just been one of our common things if if we're honest as well whenever we've

[00:04:20] got together we'd sit down and talk about what we've been watching anyway so we say well let's

[00:04:25] just record it let's just his very historical chance you might as well yeah lately we like to

[00:04:31] think so no one else listens to us anyway so we might still put out for no one worldwide to listen

[00:04:37] to us validate some random person five hours away in wells so originally what we we've come up with

[00:04:46] the idea of doing sort of 10 episodes and calling them a box set so we would each week we

[00:04:52] pick sort on each and we would have sort of 10 questions we would we would kind of ask each other

[00:04:58] some questions around just you know kind of why they picked it you know talk about who's in it

[00:05:03] and other films that they're in that people you know our listener might not know them from

[00:05:08] and then one the questions is around kind of how how would you try and make that movie or make

[00:05:13] that TV better than it is which is really hard when it's something that you love as well

[00:05:17] you've got to answer that question yeah would I recast yeah things like that yeah

[00:05:25] so what about you cam what because one thing that struck me was you talk about a hell of a lot of

[00:05:32] topics how do we variety show yeah how do you have time to fit this in and how much do you know

[00:05:40] about everything I know as much as I permit myself to know I but all together I just figured hey we

[00:05:49] can have a variety show don't pigeonhole ourselves don't be just the horror sci-fi chat don't be

[00:05:55] just the action and other movie chats and all together it was just a matter of just go with

[00:06:04] it and have fun and I it was before covid hit but also I was getting tired of only blogging and

[00:06:12] everything and I was like hey let's let's match up people around the world let's let's give them an

[00:06:17] audience let's give them a voice it was a bit of everything but I was already kind of experienced

[00:06:23] doing a lot of improv and theater in college and I just said well I got to put that skill to use

[00:06:28] anyway because internet radio I'm sorry that is not where it's at podcasts are definitely

[00:06:32] where it's a bit of at even regular radio still has some you know audience if you can believe it

[00:06:42] you know people can't crack the code but there are still there's always going to be someone who

[00:06:46] wants to hear an angry talk show host or shock jog out there in the world and eventually gets

[00:06:55] mixed in with other radio hits that are still playing 24 seven so I mean there's something for

[00:07:02] everybody I listen to my fair share of college radio and I have satellite radio but the main

[00:07:09] point is that you know with a podcast you are just it gave me something to do instead of just

[00:07:16] have a stable job and only work my ass off and then come home and bitch you know or that's

[00:07:21] exactly what we do that we can we both have pretty administrative jobs really with both

[00:07:29] yeah no they're not exciting no no yes you can't bore yourself you can't let the keyboard just

[00:07:37] eat up everything you're doing and we literally only be talking about films and tv anyway so

[00:07:46] so in our youth in university you did film well I did believe it or not camp I went to

[00:07:56] university my degree is joint honors in American Studies and Media and Culture

[00:08:01] oh nice because you go so yeah I've always had a little bit of a fast I've never been to America

[00:08:07] yet but I've always had I've always had a bit of a love hate fascination with America especially

[00:08:14] culture everything you do tv rise why this is a perfect chat today yes for me so but my experience is

[00:08:23] American culture is I worked in a blockbuster camp oh dear I'm sorry so that that does

[00:08:31] though feed into my love of film because you used to get kind of seven three films a week

[00:08:37] so you would watch every night and sometimes you'd use other people like our culture is

[00:08:43] eating out by the end of the 90s you're like man what anyone can make any of this crazy shit

[00:08:50] give me more boobs and killer cyborgs and less of this crappy just movies I mean

[00:08:59] then I just weren't saying that like you could fund a movie just over someone's persona hey let's

[00:09:03] have it be a famous model hey let's have it be a basketball player hey let's have it be a rap star

[00:09:09] they can't act but that's okay so one of the questions I did want to ask you was just around

[00:09:16] the cinema experience compared to the UK because we we see a lot of clips on youtube of especially

[00:09:24] sorts of marvel films and some of those action films of people kind of chaving and whooping

[00:09:30] and really getting involved and in the UK that just simply doesn't doesn't happen we

[00:09:37] people mind their business more reserved yeah we sit in silence and I enjoy yeah we

[00:09:43] we frown at people that's what we do very well in this country I don't even people

[00:09:49] well I was just want to watch watch your watch your take on it when you go to cinema

[00:09:52] uh it can vary depending on the theatre obviously there's no more of the discount theatre but

[00:10:00] I think the main issue is just now you still have just those annoying parents in the audience

[00:10:07] who can't afford a babysitter and should have stayed home you'll have some people geeking out

[00:10:13] and being louder than others it it really does depend my main issue is just when

[00:10:19] you get to the movie and uh just it's so loud and you're like whoa hey you know I just

[00:10:27] this needs to be a little better mixed so then it would get even more ironic when the biggest

[00:10:31] complaint about a movie like Interstellar was that it was too loud and it got a sound mixing thing

[00:10:36] is like uh that sound mixing was not good and we've had that recently with the spider

[00:10:43] vase one haven't we it was the opposite wasn't it wasn't loud it wasn't loud it was super hero

[00:10:48] movies can be also very overwhelming where you're just like okay guys

[00:10:52] so are you are you are you for or against like audience participation when when like because like

[00:11:01] said when we see clips of america like especially I think the famous one is like some of the marvel

[00:11:07] MCU ones with the crowd getting up on the jump and while oh yeah if it's very very clever

[00:11:14] humor or just like a badass movie like someone's you know leading a brigade in a war movie or

[00:11:20] uh it's an intense martial arts movie and they're finally you know he's owning the baddie in a fight

[00:11:26] that that's cool that that tracks but when it gets down to like very divisive or people are literally

[00:11:34] shouting or saying hey shut up it's like no you shut the fuck up I was already minding my business

[00:11:42] uh yeah you know every once while we would get that we would get someone who clearly didn't

[00:11:46] want to be at a movie and they would shush us and like uh well that's very british is nice yeah but

[00:11:53] she doesn't even want to be there so it's like you leave her see I remember years ago I went to see

[00:12:01] I think it's a comrade was filmed as a Ben after reading yeah Brad Pitt like it's not a great film

[00:12:08] yeah it's pretty weak there was a guy behind me who found everything hilarious

[00:12:16] the long time as well do you know what I mean and it was like it got to the point where it was annoying

[00:12:22] but then it was a group was when he it became funny because we were listening out for him more than

[00:12:27] the film right you're done with the movie but yeah let's just crack on with this guy and he was

[00:12:33] just he was laughing at the most it was fun yeah he was just laughing and I was like but it was quite

[00:12:39] funny but it was better than a film a cinema experience actually now you've you've just said

[00:12:44] that when screen came out the very first one the very first one oh wow first one I went to a

[00:12:51] packed out cinema and he was a guy who was about two three rows behind us who was laughing

[00:12:56] manically okay and he was on his own and that made the film more scary because it felt like you

[00:13:04] you had a psycho two seats really we actually added to the experience but have you have you found

[00:13:11] this new trend of people taking pictures and videos in the cinema I've had that experience

[00:13:17] really not and I will sit in the back but if anything I'm checking my phone real fast but

[00:13:22] I am not I think it's really only with superhero movies just people wanted to talk shit and report

[00:13:28] something for their pretentious blog but don't get me wrong it's always going to be out there's

[00:13:34] always going to be someone who you're like whoa dude manners so what do you have like a

[00:13:42] multiplex by you or local cinema what yeah there's various brands AMC is probably one of the bigger

[00:13:48] ones and there's all kinds of brands I think the main issue is just ticket prices are just

[00:13:56] I can't justify it I can't do it all the time so you pretty much from that point on say I'll see it

[00:14:01] but only when it comes to streaming or only when it comes on the cable tv you know you

[00:14:06] pretty much got to set your time and money up front and it's even harder when you got to

[00:14:12] tell people hey I have I'm glad you were having fun at this I want to see it but not this instant

[00:14:21] or not with that person who is very annoying when I watch a movie with them or I will watch it

[00:14:28] but probably at 2 a.m on hb l so I can skip through it because it looks very boring you know and

[00:14:32] just or I really don't have any general interest sorry you know different strokes for

[00:14:38] different folks but it just it does get annoying when you're having to kind of just dissect and pick

[00:14:44] everyone's brain and just say well I don't even know why anyone else is excited about this I see

[00:14:49] nothing it you know fascinating about this at all so I've just learned to just kind of just

[00:14:55] not be the snob in the corner don't go with a oh what the hell just sit observe and listen

[00:15:01] just like you would if you want to just do casual joking you know just parts of the theme

[00:15:08] with our sort of podcast is we generally only talk about the things that we like we don't generally

[00:15:14] bad mouth over like actors you know other films tv says because something that we don't like is

[00:15:23] potentially something that someone absolutely loves and and I'm sure there's things that we love

[00:15:29] that people out there absolutely hate as well and I just think where we try and be as positive

[00:15:35] as we can about kind of movies and yeah I get past the divide I mean there if there's going to be

[00:15:42] like five more sequels of a popular franchise there's no hurry you might as well wait till

[00:15:47] I always try to wait till the franchise is mostly concluded so that way I don't have to update

[00:15:52] the ranking anytime soon and there's no generally it's better to revisit it when the hype is worn

[00:16:00] down when people are finally getting caught up on it see that's a little bit like when a big tv

[00:16:08] shows on for me I think this would mean exactly we just got into the show suits that's on us a

[00:16:13] never and that's a good divide but it's like I I rather wait until all the episodes have been on

[00:16:20] and then sit and binge watch them the same way because I notice everyone's first two

[00:16:26] lovely takes you know they were already going to rank it a nine out of ten the minute it came out

[00:16:32] anyway but then you get to the yeah the the ones who are I'm like I'm not feeling it yet even though

[00:16:40] there's five episodes that dropped and was like well see you should wait it's very rare with

[00:16:45] any tv show where the first two or three episodes are your favorite episodes exactly so

[00:16:53] breaking bad and breaking bad like as an example the first series wasn't a particularly big hit was it

[00:17:00] and it's probably not everyone's favorite episode absolutely that's what I hate too is when people

[00:17:05] do the whole oh you know just uh you know maybe you're just not that big a fan is like or maybe

[00:17:13] I just like it but I don't love it as much as you do certain things though so Liam likes to

[00:17:19] wait and binge watch I do do yeah I binge watch certain things but the Zen shows I think if you're

[00:17:26] gonna be on social media if you're gonna be on twitter and instagram and anything else yeah

[00:17:30] just don't be that dick you squills it yeah but the thing I think you have to I think certainly

[00:17:34] with the Star Wars stuff oh yeah if you don't watch it if you don't watch it for 24 hours

[00:17:40] it's probably gonna get spoiled for you unless you avoid absolutely yeah I gave my friends

[00:17:46] walking dead I knew we're doing that and it was like oh yeah walking dead was like I used to I used

[00:17:52] to work with someone who used to come in and talk about walking down you know like I didn't did you

[00:17:55] see last night oh yeah did you see showing so died you're like well that's pointless now isn't it

[00:18:01] yeah bastard one of the one of the things I wanted to ask you about is we just did an episode

[00:18:09] recently which which we recorded and we're gonna put out next week and it was about

[00:18:14] we wanted an animation week and I picked the Simpsons but purposely went with the Simpsons

[00:18:20] went into Simpsons movie and what we discussed on the episode was the Simpsons certainly when we

[00:18:26] were kids there was the biggest thing on tv it was the biggest thing that came in the international

[00:18:31] hit yeah yeah and in the UK it doesn't seem to be as talked about as much and in toy really

[00:18:38] and what about Pixar or Wallace and Gromit kind of gone out of the kind of sort of public

[00:18:45] still here because it's all on the Disney channel now to Disney

[00:18:52] but what we were saying is like late 90s early northeast it was everyone spoke about Simpsons

[00:19:00] and this is this is in the UK about an American animation series but what we were saying is it's

[00:19:08] just sort of slipped out of fashion here um because even with me and Dave I like I

[00:19:14] haven't watched any new series The Simpsons but I mean either I stopped watching it since probably

[00:19:19] around 2009 and I was like okay it's probably the same as us because that's what we said one

[00:19:26] of the questions we asked was did The Simpsons movie actually bookend an end of an era and I think

[00:19:32] we sort of put it about the same time that it just sort of so but is it still is it still a

[00:19:38] big thing in America The Simpsons? It's it's basically it's still on but a lot of people

[00:19:45] kind of have just gone off the boat and it's just kind of one of those where you just kind

[00:19:50] of just say hey you know whatever happens happens you know I there's an audience for everything now

[00:19:58] I'm still seeing weird trends like people who still have cut the cord and only have streaming

[00:20:03] and then bitch that hey I can't find anything good on streaming and then

[00:20:09] you see other people who still watch basically whatever is on the local TV and

[00:20:13] that's how they get introduced to some modified four regular TV cable shows that are edgy you

[00:20:20] know and they believe out the language and everything and remove anything that's a little too gory you

[00:20:24] know so we'd love to get your kind of opinion then on some British shows.

[00:20:30] Oh British I got some good ones and this will be eye opening to me too because once again

[00:20:37] there's plenty of stuff that's on the air for years but it's hard to find a direct fan unless

[00:20:42] they're like a professional critic or TV site you know what I mean and yeah I mean that this is going

[00:20:50] to also be interesting because it kind of reminds me I would see this even with regular shows every

[00:20:54] once in a while I was like hey I've heard of this but who watches it. So go on then. You gave us

[00:21:02] one of yours and then. This is good that we're doing this because like I even have done this

[00:21:06] with other movies and shows that were are actually still big but they're in totally different countries

[00:21:13] like there's this US show called The Pretender that was like a mix of X-Files meets The Fugitive

[00:21:18] it was a cool sci-fi slash spy show. Four seasons it's big in Italy.

[00:21:26] Not even syndicated here anymore but I'm just like how did that work how did that happen

[00:21:31] what but yeah no I got some good ones here so hopefully they're to your liking but they're from

[00:21:39] all eras and everything so I'm gonna start with one that was not big when it first aired there

[00:21:46] but now is like legendary and that is none other than Monty Python. Oh yes. Everyone

[00:21:54] ever Brit hated it or like this is this this is not funny and now tables have turned.

[00:22:01] It was it was divisive here because it was so the word is silly isn't it? Yeah it's such a silly show

[00:22:08] but I love silly so for me Monty Python was all sort of when I was a kid. It was all the rage but

[00:22:16] yeah. See I think where Monty Python is an issue in England is

[00:22:28] seeing Britain we're obsessed with class is this is you know a Monty Python touch that like it

[00:22:35] you know a lot of the comedians came from quite um were very well educated so it sort of put a

[00:22:43] lot of people off but they do actually have a really good because obviously this is the famous

[00:22:48] it wasn't a Monty Python one was the guys from Monty Python with the two Ronnies that that sketch

[00:22:55] this was pre Monty Python where it was like yeah I'm up a class and I look down and yeah I'm

[00:23:00] making class and look down him so you might have to watch that on YouTube. Yeah look for

[00:23:06] um that's silly have you seen it well yeah and it's a great show but I'm just I'm joking I'm saying

[00:23:15] stop that that's silly. So yeah so it's a weird one because I wasn't a big I wasn't the biggest

[00:23:26] fan of Monty Python grown up and it was there it was the films that I got into later

[00:23:34] but we've never really on in our household grown up and I think that it was that that class thing it

[00:23:39] didn't quite transfer because we're from quite a working class family in Liverpool so

[00:23:46] it's so this is what I'm saying it's it's going to be laughing you can't be doing it. Yeah it's

[00:23:51] if it like well but I think it we had because of faulty towers and John. Oh you think that's

[00:23:59] that's it. I think that probably probably bore me round so I used to watch the series but as you say

[00:24:05] the films obviously then take it to the next yeah the next level. Oh yes that's where I got into it

[00:24:11] that the films are absolutely genius and it's just yeah you know they're so quotable as well

[00:24:18] is the recent thing that's been funny is John Cleese was complaining that Monty Python

[00:24:23] TV show is not the BBC anymore. Yes. The BBC sold the rights to Netflix. Really? It's on Netflix

[00:24:31] so John Cleese had a post out on Twitter complaining and everyone instantly replied and said

[00:24:37] he has so much free time. He cancelled Goldshir and everything and was like yeah he has he's

[00:24:43] gone a bit. So we have a so the equivalent of sort of Fox News here is a channel called GB News.

[00:24:50] Oh so awful. And I think John Cleese has sort of guest spots on on that he's gone that way. Yeah

[00:24:57] he was a big advocate for Brexit at one point of seeing to the moment but you know he does not

[00:25:01] see it. Don't be in Lipsy anymore. Probably not no. So Monty Python is an excellent one. What else did he go for?

[00:25:08] No good to hear but yeah it can be a little time consuming I guess because

[00:25:14] it's just eye-opening to just say

[00:25:24] you just kind of wish people would just realize hey you have this but we didn't always have that.

[00:25:32] You know it's just you can't expect everybody to just agree on the same thing or

[00:25:40] but I'm even seeing people talk smack about stuff that was so many years ago. It's like

[00:25:46] well this is how they did things back then. Yeah it's a completely different pace as well.

[00:25:53] So it's a different pace nowadays yeah. Yeah.

[00:26:01] How many are also big on another John Cleese program, Faulty Towers? I'm amazed it was only

[00:26:07] two seasons. I swear it was on for years but that's just because PBS and other local stations

[00:26:14] would repeat snub stop. Yeah I think there's only 12 episodes.

[00:26:22] And everyone forget it was the the girl I was the co-writer on it all as well as a Connie.

[00:26:29] Could every John Cleese get credit but he it was the girl who played the receptionist or

[00:26:35] something. Well never mind. There was Chef which would be on with Linnie Harry. Saw a bunch of that.

[00:26:44] Yeah I know Basil Faulty is an absolute. Oh you think. I think the scary thing is

[00:26:51] I imagine you watch Basil Faulty and think that character is over the top and can't be real.

[00:26:58] We've met people like that. I think there is people that behave in that way.

[00:27:04] Especially in that industry as well. He's very British as well. Yeah British can you be?

[00:27:10] I think Basil himself was based on a hotel manager they met wasn't he? Yes. When they were on tour

[00:27:15] he literally based it off of a real person. Oh damn. Yeah him and Connie Booth were about

[00:27:22] here at the time. But she co-wrote it all and she doesn't get the credit and people always

[00:27:27] like I was John Cleese on me. She was she was she co-wrote it. But the thing as well if you

[00:27:32] watch it you see mistakes in it because it was film live. Yes. Same advice sort of a lot

[00:27:37] of American shows cheers and fages stuff are filmed with ones like a live. I've seen that with a lot

[00:27:42] of shows it seems like whoever pitches it somehow doesn't get the ration credit and is like well

[00:27:47] was it whoever produced it and created got the creator credit what's going on here.

[00:27:53] How do you how do you feel about kind of just the volume when it comes to American shows? So

[00:27:59] you know Faulty Towers is a classic because it's 12 episodes. We think our version of things

[00:28:05] like The Office and some of those other shows there's only a couple of series we

[00:28:11] our seasons are like 20 odd episodes they're very very short over here. What do you take on the

[00:28:18] just sheer volume of what? I think that's just that everyone's slowly reining in from just the

[00:28:24] oversaturation kind of now because it's just so much is like what do I keep up with what do

[00:28:30] I watch tonight because some people want to like to say just do one at a time as opposed to

[00:28:36] watch the whole thing and then you get other ones who would just want something that's

[00:28:42] I don't know they're just not in a deep thinking mode because they're exhausted from work

[00:28:48] they just want something that's instant laughs so I think everybody's their own worst enemy kind

[00:28:53] of at this point but that is a good point on how who would have expected there to be like a

[00:28:59] gazillion other foreign versions of The Office after Rage Your Face is brilliant

[00:29:05] TV show brought it and I love hearing the various podcasts that talk about it because

[00:29:10] so many people are like hey everyone in LA knew what it was about because it was on the remake train

[00:29:15] but most people had not seen it it wasn't broadcasting anywhere on disc yet.

[00:29:21] We see I'm on it I'm I prefer the American version of The Office and I'm honest like don't get me wrong

[00:29:30] the English version is great and it's it's but I the US office probably one of my favorite TV shows

[00:29:41] of all time because after seeing it goes it goes so much fair goes everywhere and it's to me I

[00:29:50] just think that's I think it's absolutely genius and it's so much it's a little bit warmer than the

[00:29:55] UK office as well as in is in it's not as it's not quite as cruel it's that sentiment we've

[00:30:02] spoken about this before I love comedy that's got real heartfelt sentiment in there as well I think

[00:30:08] there's really moments of The Office. Yeah you gotta have at least one of these guys be likeable

[00:30:12] before they you know troll everybody. This is the bit though where I say I've never seen it.

[00:30:19] That's fine that's fine but I noticed that too have you ever noticed there's just so many people

[00:30:24] do though oh where have you been? It was like dude there's only a trillion TV shows on this

[00:30:30] fucking planet. Don't get me wrong. And truth be told they haven't seen any of the classics from

[00:30:36] the last two years I am so tired I'll answer your question with a question how sick are you now

[00:30:43] of the people acting like oh Dr. Who Stranger Things is the next best thing I'm like well

[00:30:49] be sure to count out all the other 20 other amazing shows of old time from the last five years you know.

[00:30:56] Yeah people jump on trends don't they and then they act like nothing else exists anymore and it's

[00:31:01] like yeah no it's just not how this works. They do feel like there's a lot of kind of ownership

[00:31:08] of stuff isn't it and especially sorts of Stranger Things. I don't think I've not many people I don't

[00:31:14] think watch the fair series as much as wear the mouth I think. And then what was that too?

[00:31:21] You see I wasn't I didn't finish the second series I got a bit bored the Stranger Things. Oh yeah

[00:31:26] I'm not a fan at all but I can't deny that there's a giant audience for when people are dressing

[00:31:33] up as the characters they're spoofing it on Saturday Night Live that it's out there and

[00:31:39] that's where I say hey enjoy what you like if you don't like it don't watch it and I don't like it

[00:31:44] so I don't watch it but that's how it is with just anything else like I find that we also take

[00:31:49] the endings to certain shows really hard especially if it's just what I deserve like

[00:31:54] Game of Thrones was eight years of my life I'll never get back so I'm just like yeah

[00:31:59] bloody awful well why did they end it that way why did they think I was already

[00:32:05] unengaged the last second the last two seasons but then when it just ends suddenly and even the

[00:32:13] creators like oh I didn't intend it that way it was like well you signed off on it asshole.

[00:32:20] And this is where we difficulty means that I I didn't mind where Game of Thrones ends

[00:32:27] because I think that's fine I see tired of people starting arguments oh you have a disagreement well

[00:32:33] it doesn't have to be a disagreement he likes it you don't was on I think there are a lot of

[00:32:39] mistakes and I think for me it was the nearest girl mad was too quick if that makes sense it was

[00:32:48] a sure yeah we're complaining about things being too long but it was it was only it was only

[00:32:53] six episodes yeah it's been all because I think the rumors are they'd signed up well I don't think

[00:32:58] it was rumors I think it was well known they'd signed up to do Star Wars yeah which didn't

[00:33:03] which obviously didn't pan out but oh yeah it did feel rushed but I'm with you you know there's

[00:33:08] people that there's people I probably really enjoyed that end and there's people I've always

[00:33:12] gonna hate it but yeah but what I don't like is the people who hate it trying to convince

[00:33:18] people you should hate it yes and same thing with the ones who like it I don't understand why

[00:33:24] no one likes it well look at reviews there's a gazillion of them out there you can see what they

[00:33:30] are and figure out why you do or don't like it like I just went through the new battle saga

[00:33:35] like to go again I think it's a perfect good but a lot of people thought it was too happy for

[00:33:40] that grim show or they wanted some more bloodshed and I was like I think I'm good I think this

[00:33:45] wraps it all up everyone got a send off everybody went for some more tragedy I'm cool with it but

[00:33:53] it wasn't enough for some people so among three some ones probably Ted Lasso oh yeah people were

[00:33:59] divisive over Ted Lasso some people it sounded like they had been watching it but missing the

[00:34:03] point all along where's the sports yeah it's not a sports show it has sports in it that doesn't

[00:34:09] make it a sports show necessarily uh we can't have nice things can we

[00:34:19] but no this has been very electrifying because I will you get this I used to have a co-worker who

[00:34:25] hated the British office and I was like well apples and oranges buddy that such couldn't be more

[00:34:32] different you know and that's inevitable too there's gonna be someone who likes the us

[00:34:41] one but hates the uk one advice versa they love the uk one but could never get into the us one

[00:34:47] to be too much you know it's inevitable I mean uh there's a version of your uk show accused

[00:34:53] over here and I saw the original accused I wasn't as grabbed by it but I love the acting on it

[00:35:01] and I'm interested to see what they do here same thing with homeland I've been meaning to see the

[00:35:07] original Israeli version you know called prisoners of war so one's told me about that it's meant to be

[00:35:13] like really good I've never seen the Israeli version yeah one one of the things we're gonna

[00:35:19] be doing on the podcast is have you ever seen state of play yes but both the movie version and

[00:35:26] the tv show version and I think that's an example everywhere the american version it just doesn't

[00:35:33] quite live up to I actually love the movie but I couldn't get into the show all right are you

[00:35:40] the opposite no but it's all good you know like I it's impossible for it to all click with everybody

[00:35:48] I mean it there's plenty of I mean I'm that way with some of these other tv shows they

[00:35:53] revitalized like there's a new version of the equalizer like a tv show version and I'm like yeah

[00:35:59] it's okay and in cis right but it's not it's not edgy like the Edward Woodward show and I love the

[00:36:08] denzel movies but that's a different story Edward Woodward standing in front of a Porsche in an

[00:36:13] entry backlit is freaking us out yeah when I was a kid you knew you were meant to be

[00:36:21] in bed at that time because it was way it was on really hard that same point music yeah that's such

[00:36:27] and the thing was you never drove a Porsche in the series I never got it I was the only ever

[00:36:33] in the trials yeah no it was just to have the oh shit look and but they've done that with other

[00:36:40] shows too where they have completely missed the point like they did a movie version of the A

[00:36:43] team and I was like see but it's not campy it's not done with any love it's just big and

[00:36:49] loud and dumb just with you talking about equalizer being on late at night I think one of the things

[00:36:58] but one of the things my kids don't understand but I don't think Americans understand this when me

[00:37:01] and Liam were this was a 15 16 we only had four tv channels yeah yeah somebody more spoiled

[00:37:09] that's nice so yeah oh hell they redid MacGyver and I'm just like uh the whole point MacGyver is

[00:37:18] he's like Indiana Jones but he's a gadget man like he's his own personal cue from James Bond

[00:37:26] and they decided oh we'll do that but he's going to be carrying guns and everything I'm like oh

[00:37:30] here's the point of MacGyver but on its own on its own that's like giving the A team a tank at

[00:37:37] the start oh exactly yeah it's not that it's so different so much as it is why did you even

[00:37:45] do another twist on it like it's just so out there yeah so what are the better shows do you

[00:37:52] do enjoy your what which shows even I I down to Navi I can tell you it's still big here

[00:38:01] not a big fan no that's that's fine that's fine it's huge it's massive but it's not going to make

[00:38:08] my top 20 but just the acting and pacing and the tone just really make you feel good

[00:38:14] and otherwise very serious it's that class thing for us because I don't think it's it's

[00:38:22] like I said Liverpool is a little bit of a weird place it's too close down we don't see ourselves

[00:38:30] as English or British we're a little bit standalone so that's fine dude I mean you were talking

[00:38:36] cartoons earlier like I can't watch King of the Hill because I know too many idiots like that in

[00:38:39] real life I love King of the Hill well and that's cool because but I live in Texas so I

[00:38:47] I'm not offended it's just it's basically a documentary so don't find it very entertaining

[00:38:52] you know what I mean well you see here's one way can because I've I've never met a single person

[00:39:00] I'm a big fan of the American TV show Friday night lights oh there you go yeah I still need to

[00:39:07] watch it I've been a mic to watch this because it's like I don't know how I managed to find it

[00:39:12] over here because it's about small town Texas college a big universal show yeah yeah but I

[00:39:20] just think it's one the best thing that's come out of American TV in a long time and I was I was

[00:39:26] just hoping you may have seen it because I've yet to meet anyone who's ever watched it

[00:39:30] it's been on my to watch for a while but it is very huge here and it's on almost all the streaming

[00:39:36] platforms Hulu, Pekka, Netflix it's about everybody's picked it up so that might be also why it's kind of

[00:39:42] traveled around a bunch but no that was cool to know because like I see other people who act

[00:39:48] like instantly because something represents a certain country everybody's into and it's like

[00:39:52] that's not true at all there's going to be plenty of Americans or British guys who couldn't

[00:39:56] get into tem lasso you know it's a uniting kind of show but that doesn't mean anything I mean

[00:40:01] there's plenty of shows that again have a European or Japanese character but they don't give a shit

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[00:41:50] who would win show dot com hi simon cockles a big fun movie critic pal of mine who i've had on a

[00:41:58] few times and he can't stand love actually he's like see this stereotype so it makes people

[00:42:03] think this is what us british people are like i'm saying well i never saw it that way but okay well

[00:42:08] if it offended you i get it uh what what do you make of that when you think people are taking a movie

[00:42:15] way too seriously and you're like i don't think they meant any harm yeah i think that's definitely

[00:42:22] that definitely happens here too much yeah probably too much it's it's i think people

[00:42:29] like tittle tittle so is the perfect example isn't it like i say it's that the end was quite divisible

[00:42:37] it but it was all about kind of like it was meant to be a happy show wasn't it

[00:42:41] yeah the beginning was a coming on god but i was still just down for the count and just happy

[00:42:48] to just watch what was going on but i guess i'm just a more slower laid back kind of guy

[00:42:54] and if i know i'm in for a bizarre ride i go for it but this is probably where me and liam

[00:43:01] are quite different though because my bar is really low also is mine i get so annoyed when

[00:43:10] i just see so many people uh just that they their fandom is wrecking the movie or show for me

[00:43:20] and it's not that they're urchins or anything you so much as it is like dude just chill it's a work of

[00:43:25] fiction you know see we have this about star wars i've been a big fan of the star wars tv disney

[00:43:33] shows i think mandalorian fair series was terrible bob a threat is like one the way i'm

[00:43:39] i'm attacking liam but this i know you can't i just think bob a threat was a junk ever made i think

[00:43:47] the everyone can know be one was really disappointed just said we don't slug off tv shows and there you

[00:43:52] are but it's like but i know just get it out there's no wrong answer that's the other thing too

[00:43:59] i can't stand the new star wars movies so i'm big on the shows but don't get me wrong

[00:44:04] that the other thing is i see people ranking them all to the movies i'm like no no no no

[00:44:09] whole different format you know like these shows would not like i'm watching a soca now and i'm

[00:44:15] like it's not very cinematic like the other ones it's you're not going to know what's going on unless

[00:44:24] you know you've watched the other cartoon shows yeah because you just said you've got to watch

[00:44:29] last season rebels haven't you you are you do because it just it literally is almost rebels

[00:44:35] continuation of that pretty much the last year though i think got so i don't know if the

[00:44:44] words violent but it felt like if you love i personally i didn't like it but it felt like if

[00:44:50] you loved it it was like you need to die but if you hated it then people went i think you should

[00:44:57] die it got that vicious vicious as the word i really i didn't got vicious about it i like

[00:45:03] some of that yeah because i thought it was quite a different take on the whole idea of the forces not

[00:45:10] like people are trying to rewrite the rules now that they agree with it

[00:45:16] no because i get with you know you do you it's one of my top three all-time

[00:45:24] west films really yeah really i think it's a great film it's bad but it's not as bad as the force

[00:45:30] awakens where you're just like oh let's have another death star do you know what is interesting

[00:45:40] though is like because obviously when you made the the prequels we were a bit older yeah we went and

[00:45:48] saw them you know they got great reviews at the time but you would never know it now giving how the

[00:45:53] internet wants to just you know toss it in the trash and pie magazine gave the tag of the clones

[00:45:59] five star review when it came right dude and my local Dallas paper gave revenge of the sith in a

[00:46:06] minus they were like hey there's not enough Yoda but there's enough grid and everything it's the best

[00:46:10] since empire i'm like that's high praise but it was weird because i think when you all came

[00:46:16] off of me i thought now they're all the prequels i thought no they're not very good then i didn't

[00:46:22] but i went back and watched them all about 10 five years ago and i forget a tag of the clones

[00:46:31] because it's that just pointless but the other two the clone moz and the what's the last one

[00:46:36] oh you mean fan of minneson yeah ignore fans and many and i thought he's aged really well

[00:46:43] i think i enjoyed him more now than i did when i watched i think because with i promise we'll get

[00:46:48] you on the giant saga ranking because that's just it too i mean star wars fans don't want to admit this

[00:46:56] there's going to be ones who don't even like the older movies just because i don't know they just

[00:47:00] don't like the acting or whatever and it's just like it's like star track but they don't want to

[00:47:06] admit it there's like no no star track is trivial and everything was like well here's the thing

[00:47:10] whatever era you were introduced determined what you liked but it is funny how other stuff that

[00:47:17] was inspired by it or inspired star wars but got made because star wars was a hit you know that also

[00:47:24] got laughed off buck rogers is a popular show but critics hated it uh same thing with john carter

[00:47:30] it wasn't highly anticipated didn't make much money same thing with flash coordinates kind of

[00:47:35] liked but in a trashy way you know it's it's interesting how it's the same thing a space opera

[00:47:41] but it's just somehow with all these Shakespearean actors and

[00:47:47] larger than life visual effects there's always going to be someone who's like yeah i don't get that why is

[00:47:52] that popular because if you actually break star the original trilogy down the script is awful

[00:47:59] it shouldn't work at all but i had a good wife exactly but it's because it deals with those

[00:48:08] universal themes that just connect with us like you think you're right it shakes me it's it's all about

[00:48:15] it's the same issues we've been watching in a play for 400 years right it's about your dad

[00:48:23] i think we're to that point though too like if anything star wars introduced me to the whole

[00:48:27] fact that nothing has to be 100 working you can still have a good movie with a miscast lead

[00:48:33] you can still have a solid movie with poorly shot you know gory you know chills or action scenes you

[00:48:44] know it didn't deliver the content but it delivered the substance you know and and you can flip that as

[00:48:50] well as you can have an average movie but with a great performance in it which carries it for you

[00:48:56] as well do you know i mean you can see there is a film you'd watch because it's like say tom hanks

[00:49:00] i've recently watched absolutely you know the means of his film is like he just carries anything

[00:49:07] he's in might not be the greatest film okay it's a man i think i think you touched upon

[00:49:11] photograph i think sometimes it's the it's the experience though isn't it if we were so distracted

[00:49:16] by it but yeah now we're seeing people who don't care for popular movies like forest gump or seven

[00:49:23] or even silence the lambs and i'm like well you know there's something for everybody like

[00:49:28] even the best movie of all time is going to have you know at least five negative reviews there's

[00:49:34] going to be people who don't who found saving private ryan too gory or too over long there's

[00:49:38] going to be people who don't understand like why the greatest dictator of all time is charlie

[00:49:43] chaplin's best movie or you know i'm not big on just for no one's latest movies i'm just like

[00:49:48] okay the dude's just so full of himself and arrogant i i'll just stick with inception

[00:49:53] and insomnia and memento and that's it i do yeah i do love inception do you think a lot of it to do

[00:50:01] though is we just got to warm up to stuff after a while like i don't want to see barbie because

[00:50:06] it's a toy commercial unlike satire not it's a toy we we've we've seen it i okay i fully

[00:50:14] i wasn't what i was expecting i got more from me from pop culture just the references

[00:50:21] now that's good because i have not cared for gerwig's earlier movies but that's just it too i'm going

[00:50:26] based on who's the helmsman you know what i mean like like no blonde count is kind of a cold

[00:50:33] international sci-fi talent from uh you know the world but if you weren't big on district nine

[00:50:42] or elicium you're probably not going to see anything else he's done like this upcoming grand

[00:50:46] trismo so it's interesting how the whole emit the whole year as good as your last movie may not

[00:50:53] always apply but it does to some extent kind of apply you know what i mean do you think one of

[00:50:58] the problems is so you mentioned seven then when seven came out we i don't think we'd ever seen

[00:51:05] anything like it on the cinema that that dark that kind of that now in second nature now

[00:51:12] everyone's got a csi kind of show minus the maturity we visit things like seven go

[00:51:19] oh it was okay but that's because they've probably seen so many things very very similar to it that if

[00:51:25] you won't if you're only watching seven for the first time now it won't feel the same way it probably

[00:51:30] does to us three when we say oh absolutely different era inevitably and sometimes i feel like

[00:51:36] uh you know like there was this one japanese art house movie about a yakuza boss who's slowly dying

[00:51:44] i just knew i was just wasn't going to get into it so i had the commentary with the film

[00:51:48] history in playing while i was watching the subtitle movie that made a big difference compared

[00:51:51] to just me watching and looking at my watch you know there are times where you do need

[00:51:55] another reference point another film history book which is practically all i read growing up

[00:52:00] oh this movie changed the world you know it's like oh interesting okay

[00:52:06] well one one question i had cam um yeah some we were talking before is how do you feel

[00:52:13] as an american when all these british actors come over to america they took our jobs no i'm just

[00:52:22] getting that's fine and so but is it like do you should do you wear their accents again that's

[00:52:28] that's a terrible accent that's an awful act because whenever we in an american actor do a

[00:52:33] british accent it's like oh that's terrible how is i think they mostly own it uh the new zealand guys

[00:52:39] and australian guys are obviously the kings of a guy peers russle crow um i i i do legit like respect

[00:52:48] cummerbatch because he can do anything at this point you know he's played so many historical

[00:52:52] figures for itv and the bbc as well as you know the marvel got he's probably one of the few super

[00:53:00] hill movies i'll actually watch is dr strange but then there's all these other great you know

[00:53:05] unsolvable pieces he's a part of he's got his good voice actor and everything but

[00:53:09] every once while he will try to do a boston accent or someone you're like

[00:53:13] it's it's just sticking out a little bit whatever take you used it's not as bad as some of the

[00:53:18] other ones like sam worthington you know is like the avatar guy his career is exactly

[00:53:25] he is just the very bizarre career altogether but hey he just can't hide his accent so it does

[00:53:31] make you wonder how much of it is the rehearsal versus what take they used versus

[00:53:40] what that whatever but i think my main issue is people will invest in an actor

[00:53:45] but not give them any good material like i take it luther is a very popular show there

[00:53:51] yeah uh but i for a while i wasn't really excited about the next interest elbow movie because they

[00:53:57] just kept putting them in just stuff that was not worthy of anyone's talent you know what i mean

[00:54:02] well we that's one example's we we was on mo because obviously same thing with andy newton

[00:54:07] and anthony hopkins you would see them in a project and you're like ah but

[00:54:11] you wasted a good performance on an awful movie you know then you do think is that

[00:54:17] is that the people who make the stuff or that the actor agreeing to do it as well sometimes

[00:54:21] yeah because there are certain people because they're in so many just oscar bait and over hyped

[00:54:29] or just what just sounds awful just movies like i see that with oscar isaac jessica chastain

[00:54:36] great actors i'm not going to watch every movie they do because i've been let down so many times

[00:54:41] where i'm like that's a great performance this is a garbage movie you know i think if you look at

[00:54:46] someone like um michael canes film oh well yeah if you want to get people who do anything yeah

[00:54:55] but man the jaws movie did he think he said it paid for his villain in spain or something

[00:55:00] that was so funny the movie was not good the mansion it bought was so i'm like yeah you go you

[00:55:06] what i think the issue we find is when americans try and do a british accent there's no such fingers

[00:55:13] of british accents because we've got so many yeah kind of like southern accents they always like to

[00:55:19] do the whole howdy y'all like yeah yeah if we were doing american accent that's what i would do

[00:55:26] it's just so ingrained there's people who think if you come to miami or dalas everybody

[00:55:33] is dressed like a csi or person on dalas and he's like well that's just pop culture happens man but

[00:55:44] i mean here jackman has done a few different accents and what i find funny is how he's kind

[00:55:49] of struggled to find as big a prominent movie low-loan another franchise outside of x-men or

[00:55:56] lamiz and you're like well and but i think this is it too people like to clamor to stuff

[00:56:01] they just need to just let it kind of wind down after a while it's like if you don't like it

[00:56:05] no one is forcing you to like this you know you don't like gladiator that's okay you don't

[00:56:10] like braveheart that's okay if you do like it that's okay it's just everybody feels like they

[00:56:16] have to be validated it was like just like it or don't shit yeah i think i think i think that's

[00:56:24] that's the influence of social media no one's absolutely half the stuff that's either with me

[00:56:32] or you're not and it's like well it doesn't matter it's like we can i can't stand that either is

[00:56:37] like if you hate this you're my worst enemy it's like stop that's not even funny that's

[00:56:42] just lame it's just instigating arguments and half the stuff in the top like top 250 and i and db

[00:56:51] are all movies that flopped at the time we're not liked you know wizard of Oz it's a wonderful

[00:56:56] live fight club blade runner and people go i don't see how anyone could hate those i'm like well

[00:57:01] look at the reviews people were on impress back in the day a hellraiser was not well liked but

[00:57:08] nowadays it's kind of beloved by many sci-fi horror fans but don't get me wrong i still will meet

[00:57:13] people who like all these unwatchable ungodly just demon possession and uh paranormal movies i'm like

[00:57:23] you guys are such frady cats those are not scary and yet they can't do any monkey's paw or other

[00:57:30] fun psychological thrillers and i'm just like okay well whatever floats your boat but don't tell me

[00:57:36] that's scary when it's all computer graphics or based on your own personal fears and not the

[00:57:41] hack filmmaker uh i'm sorry i'm going out of tangent but i just find it interesting how

[00:57:48] after the time you wonder if they're reacting to the movie or if they're reacting to their own

[00:57:53] two feet you know twitching no everything just another one can because i'm a big fan of this

[00:58:00] one is related your take on it the original rosa and did you did you ever see that or watch that what

[00:58:07] was your original rosa rosa oh yeah yeah it's it's very big here i think not so much now because

[00:58:19] she's just not a nice person in real life long story short but no she's busy um but i think what

[00:58:25] was fascinating growing up when we were kid is we didn't get to see that poor working class

[00:58:33] american family on tv yeah there was a voice for everybody growing up but at the same time

[00:58:40] you didn't really know how much the person was playing themselves if they were even a good actor

[00:58:45] actress and uh i think that's another thing uh you were talking about the star wars earlier i

[00:58:50] haven't i'm kind of looking forward to the upcoming phrasier revival because it's the same

[00:58:54] crew and everything but i'm not as big on some of the other sitcoms they brought back

[00:58:58] well in grace i thought they did good but i was like there's other ones where i was like

[00:59:02] see the laugh track is so forced here the person is just showing their age they're just not funny

[00:59:07] anymore for the thing with phrasier coming back is have you ever seen only fools and horses

[00:59:13] uh i you know this is about the sixth podcaster i've had on he was talked about it and

[00:59:19] i mentioned it i have meant to watch it that basically that's another one that i hear is very

[00:59:24] divisive like some people would be like oh what are you talking about that's not funny and other

[00:59:28] people will be like oh you just don't get it it's hysterical the british classic but

[00:59:33] nicholas linthes who's one of the main stars of that is gonna be i i think there'd be more

[00:59:39] a big of audience in the uk for the new phrasier probably than

[00:59:42] i think anywhere in the world because i think everyone it's just comfort food people like

[00:59:48] witty stuff where family members are kind of infighting playing pranks on each other but

[00:59:52] no that that is so true that there is you never know where it's going to land really so you just

[00:59:58] but you get you take all the punches you take all the reception and you you you milk it but

[01:00:04] you see well i i had a little bit of reservation about the new phrasier because i watched

[01:00:10] the the first reboot of the sex in the city because

[01:00:14] there is it was awful because it felt like it was written by i said today i said

[01:00:20] it felt like he's written by a 60 year old white man who's two corners so bitter yeah and it was

[01:00:28] like these young black people who dare they these women and i was like it was like it was it was

[01:00:33] so not what sex in the city was first time around and i'm just a bit worried because i don't know

[01:00:41] how to get out of it i don't know what the did i hear he was a trump support and things like that

[01:00:47] but he's just an old school republican but i think he's pretty well he's a pretty cool professional

[01:00:53] behind the scenes compared to the other guys who you're just like whoa you're just a dick you know

[01:00:59] i think phrasier is in good hands i have good hands do you think 24 is pretty big over there

[01:01:06] yeah it was 24 was big over there especially because it even came over to london

[01:01:11] anyone yeah well 2024 got picked up by the bbc so 24 used to be on bbc too

[01:01:18] non-stop along with dr american tv never really when the bbc was very rare so 24 was was pretty big

[01:01:27] yeah well i said to you i think when 24 came out over here it was the first time

[01:01:35] it was there was a shift from watching tv watching it once a week to binge watching

[01:01:40] and you got to watch every single one i think 24 was the watershed moment of that was the first

[01:01:46] tv show i remember i want to go and get the dvd and watch the whole series that was like

[01:01:51] absolutely yeah that was a monumental time in tv history it gets overlooked a little bit now

[01:01:58] every minus but yeah no 24 we're there big keep big keep us up and fans here anyway

[01:02:05] yeah he's he's he's tall with a great actor yep uh oh what do you also think about how

[01:02:12] it kind of encouraged people to kind of split the bill make international productions you know

[01:02:17] like like roam which was both a bbc and an hbo you know well we've also got um band of brothers as

[01:02:24] well band of brothers yep bbc put a bit of money in that as well speaking of the then itv which is

[01:02:30] owned by fox decided hey we got to get on the 24 band wire and let's come up with a show called

[01:02:34] spooks which is very big but it's very hard for me to find a bunch of fans of so i'm watching

[01:02:40] that right now are you really okay very awesome it's so weird on hulu you can tell which versions

[01:02:45] are the us version versus uk versions and it makes me wonder who did someone lose one of the main tapes

[01:02:52] because there are certain cuts that they make for language and nudity uh overseas here and you can

[01:03:00] always tell because the logo is different you know it's mi5 versus spooks you know yes but

[01:03:06] spooks for some reason was just one of those shows that kind of passed me by it's kind of your

[01:03:10] guys's mission impossible in a way like adults watch it but kids don't watch it yeah i'm trying to

[01:03:19] think of what but peter first i'm a dynamite actor yeah it's um i'm trying to make this show that's

[01:03:27] very similar to in america 2024 probably the closest one but it's strike back there's another one

[01:03:35] strike back yeah yeah there's there's loads of those soldiers soldier was another one that

[01:03:42] introduced the world of peter wing fill before he made highlander well isn't the the new series

[01:03:49] a hide that the amazon amazon picked up highlander or oh no uh that there was outlander outlander

[01:03:58] that's where i'm thinking of yeah yeah that was a star show and i yeah i think they're continuing

[01:04:02] that um i gotta ask you guys about prime suspect that was like the queen of all that she will

[01:04:09] procedure but before we had you know we we americans got stuff you know years later like

[01:04:15] my pd blue and homicide life on the street and all the law and orders but you guys i mean in fact i

[01:04:21] even like your guys's version of law and order uk i just perfectly cast i love the old school

[01:04:27] approach show the rest show the legal jurisdiction then show the court case and keep everyone in suspense

[01:04:34] then you have all these other geek favorite actors like freema agamon and jayme bamber as a

[01:04:39] part of the cast but i mean prime suspect you could pretty much only get that like from pbs

[01:04:45] book clubs you know like that was not everywhere it was so gritty and it introduced the world to

[01:04:51] hell and mirren you know excuse me absolutely and if you do did you ever get cracker over

[01:04:57] in the uk that was another one i still need to watch the dvds and i got so angry at myself

[01:05:03] resting piece rob caltrone but yeah rob caltrone's pretty well liked for erie potter and james

[01:05:08] bond but yeah i mean uh in fact i see 24 creator howard gordon even at say like cracker and

[01:05:14] prime suspect or is like two main bread and butters like that's what inspires him to make a

[01:05:18] gritty character piece and i think people just learn so much from british tv not only just how things

[01:05:26] are done and what have you but also just slower burn because you see other people try to do a slow

[01:05:32] moving show and it just it doesn't take off it's just they're too full of themselves yeah so so

[01:05:39] to put you on the spot then for oh shit if you could only pay for one streamer and that stream

[01:05:48] you about how british tv or american tv which streamer would you actually pay for

[01:05:56] ah do they have hulu there in the uk and now if hulu is on air we get through disney disney plus

[01:06:02] okay then we'll probably do disney plus but i'm only gonna watch all the awesome you like

[01:06:07] british tv shows on there good answer i don't want any of the cartoons and everything but yeah all

[01:06:13] the other international italian british american even swedish and south korean shows they're all

[01:06:21] gonna be on there and i'm gonna watch them and like don't get me wrong amazon has some good stuff

[01:06:27] too i've been getting into a lot of icelandic and nordic noir they call it but i mean it is

[01:06:38] a tough toss toss up because there just are just so many shows that get discontinued by certain

[01:06:43] platforms i know netflix is kind of just uh thrown in the towel half the time these days it's like

[01:06:50] people want to hate watch their shows now to where i'm like just cancel them send a message

[01:06:56] lincoln lawyer is a good show but that's a whole that's a that's a

[01:07:02] a needle in a haystack you know well i see i'm a big michael connelly fan so i as oh sweet

[01:07:10] so i loved i've read all the bosh books all of it dude we'll get you on another special

[01:07:16] on those i promise on our box but i i really liked bosh you were a big fan of bosh were you

[01:07:23] i watched them on maybe three series and kind of a just kind of faded away got very every week

[01:07:29] very similar to me i i thought tight as well if it was billion oh i think him has left us amazing

[01:07:35] but i think it's a series it was very formal no it's fine my sister loves all those other

[01:07:40] crime shows and she couldn't get into it you know and my student boss is he's so good

[01:07:45] he makes everyone else look like a very amateur hour yeah but i think i think

[01:07:52] liam is a fan you david not a fan but that's okay that there is no right answer i see so many

[01:07:58] people that do the whole that's just wrong i'm like or they'll do best show of all time ever

[01:08:03] i'm like well until that last season like i love every season of moths but some people hate the

[01:08:08] last three seasons i like sopranos but i'm gonna side with the whole thing that that that ending

[01:08:14] was ball ex it was just very anticlimactic and done just as a dick move but i see other

[01:08:20] people try to defend it now i'm like no don't you dare see gain i like the end

[01:08:27] i was just like what it just ends just like that not what i said it just it just was saying it just

[01:08:34] keeps on going life just carries on and that's that's i got that you don't think it got killed

[01:08:41] no now i think it was just because he just went for the meal i just would rather in my mind he

[01:08:47] got went to another state he's always on the run now season five my point that's why i like an

[01:08:53] end like that because the three of us all have a completely different view of how it ends yeah

[01:08:58] but the thing is they really spider their fans that that's what got me i'm like don't start wars with

[01:09:05] your fans uh well are you guys big on the wire because that stars dominant west absolutely love

[01:09:16] the wire i think seems like it's pretty big and i've even seen some british guys in commentaries

[01:09:21] saying it's big internationally so i'm like that that's very enlightening because i probably love

[01:09:26] the cast didn't know and the producer didn't know yeah andress alba's in there too and they don't

[01:09:31] they don't watch their performances because they don't like to get too close to something you know and

[01:09:37] they like to just have review or second hand opinion saying do more of this than that and so

[01:09:41] i feel don't you feel like a lot of actors have to explain that to more and more people they're

[01:09:46] like why don't you watch your movies you're like i lived it yeah it must be weird sitting watching what

[01:09:52] you've been involved in because and plus they film stuff like sometimes a year or two years before it

[01:09:58] comes out i feel like well they've moved on they've done other stuff they have absolutely moved on

[01:10:03] rest in peace race stevenson by the way i mentioned rome he's pretty well liked

[01:10:09] he's brilliant in a so we'll come in the the couple of episodes that that'll be in all and

[01:10:13] you know he's only going to only going to get better as that saves goes on so that's just it like

[01:10:19] i feel like half these shows we watch and we go those were great we only saw them back in the day

[01:10:24] or we saw them once we didn't see them all the time and so that's where i feel like we get a

[01:10:28] little even more subjective there's some shows that are just so intense we don't really want to

[01:10:32] watch them again and then there's other ones where it's like that's good but when's the last

[01:10:36] time you watched it you might not have as much fun on this rewatch so that this is where mainly we're

[01:10:43] quite the opposite i'm a big big rewatcher of things okay no that's cool because there's some stuff that

[01:10:50] gets problematic when you rewatch it you know i'm different i don't watch i don't rewatch films

[01:10:57] but i rewatch tv like i've watched a wire and four times four times all i quoted all the time

[01:11:06] i just think it's all in the game yo it's i just think it's just there's just no better tv than

[01:11:12] the wire i think it's just one of the greatest things i'll i recommend homicide though too the same

[01:11:16] authors also introduced the world of detective munch before he went on to be on svu but he's

[01:11:22] in the wire final episode also as the guy who claims he used to own a bar that actor's pretty big here

[01:11:31] rest in peace richard belzer because he's he was a comedian before he started playing a cop on all

[01:11:36] those shows oh man uh yeah no i it brings even a bigger question is like how intense do you want

[01:11:47] your procedural to be because i see that too where people say i only watch cop shows or i

[01:11:52] only watch gangster shows but then you see stuff like the wire homicide and even the shield

[01:11:57] blending both both the cop and a gangster show sopranos you can say the same thing too it's got

[01:12:04] a lot of cops and feds in it well what you forget about spanos is how funny it is yes oh yeah what the

[01:12:11] fuck did i do i think people forget that and i think people put off there is a lot of dark comedy

[01:12:19] i think it's gonna be all gangster i think that's where like to me the wire is so good is because

[01:12:27] within within the cops there's good cops and bad cops and within the criminals absolutely there's

[01:12:32] people want to solve the problem among them there's problematic characters who you disagree

[01:12:39] with what the decisions they've made but then you understand where they've come from and and i just

[01:12:46] love that i just think i think i think it's the greatest thing ever made britain oh absolutely

[01:12:53] and i knew it had may landed when i saw that linnie james was in a new show called line of duty

[01:12:59] and the first critical blurb was mix the shield and the unit and and the wire together and you get

[01:13:06] this you know steroid induced you know tour de force procedural i don't know if you guys have

[01:13:13] seen that one too i know dci banks i'm trying to get into but yeah line of duty who would have guessed

[01:13:19] you make an anthology the same three you know prosecutors and cops and they're trying to take

[01:13:25] all the bad apples down in their police district but again that's another show where the last

[01:13:31] series is very divisive over here oh absolutely don't get me wrong season four i couldn't get into

[01:13:37] as much but five and six i thought you know uh we're very strong in i mean don't get me wrong

[01:13:44] we all have hot takes i mean there's going to be people who can't get into some other

[01:13:49] claim shows i am not a true detective guy but i know so many other people who love it and they're

[01:13:53] like it's a pot boiler i'm like i just find it dull i don't find it in gauging at all but

[01:13:59] i got one so you know slow band movie as long as long as there's a payoff that's the other thing too

[01:14:06] half the time i don't get the payoff i'm just like i don't find this interesting at all

[01:14:11] the marvel shows are doing that too and i'm like this character is part of an ensemble for a reason

[01:14:17] they're not a good standalone character kind of like how leon was talking about the star wars

[01:14:20] shows some of those characters had no business having their own standalone show it was just like

[01:14:25] uh it would be like if you tried to do a standalone show on every single lord of the rings

[01:14:32] character some of them would be good and some of them not so good and some of them would be divisive

[01:14:37] some people would be like i don't want a solo show to just gimley or legless i want just one on

[01:14:42] aragorn or uh froto or gendalf you know so so we're gonna we're gonna have to start by

[01:14:51] putting up soon because it's kind of yeah like leon's gotta be out of party funny enough and guys are

[01:14:57] partying don't party i'm how do you party well to be here i'm i'm normally in bed quite a

[01:15:04] bit this is way past my bedtime normally but i have actually got a party to go to so

[01:15:12] even film before you go uh how do you how would you describe the partying scene there

[01:15:19] liverpool is we're known as the stag and hen do capital of the uk so it's where everyone comes

[01:15:27] we're your new ollie since you're your bachelor party everyone comes to liverpool so the party scene

[01:15:34] is wherever it's pretty good nice so yeah liverpool can can be scary as well as it can be fun and

[01:15:43] as exciting but if you ever come we can give you a tour of all the the movie that was shot here

[01:15:50] yeah yeah the most recent batman um the bobby patson one was filmed in liverpool yeah there's

[01:15:55] a lot of behinders that filmed in liverpool this is very eye-opening oh a bit of the first

[01:16:06] captain american movie was filmed here as well it's it's it's used it's a city that you double

[01:16:12] for a lot of other places doesn't yeah i'll send you a good link of a little um clip ali plume has done

[01:16:18] a series of um videos where he's visited all cities around the uk and shown where the

[01:16:23] films on he's done a liverpool one which will which will share with you and you can watch

[01:16:27] sweet thanks for having us on your show anytime this is a great topic you suggested

[01:16:36] uh keep partying keep bugging cheers camp spend a little bit of sleep yeah

[01:16:41] go to rest of your day thank you bloody hell you howdy yo howdy yo

[01:16:50] bye camp see you take care bye bye

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