Political Talkshows: Real Time, The Daily Show & The Young Turks Retrospect (with Rich Cyr!)

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[00:00:10] [SPEAKER_00]: For the past nine years, this man has argued for marijuana and against religion. He has maintained that children are not innocent and that God doesn't write books. He's come out for mad cow disease and against suing tobacco companies.

[00:00:28] [SPEAKER_00]: He claims girls hate each other, being drunk is funny, and the Olympics are gay. Bill Maher is too extreme. Too extreme for Hollywood. Too extreme for TV.

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[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Err, Rich Saw.

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Thanks once again for having me on the show. I love doing your show. You always have so many interesting times.

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_07]: Most applause since The Ultimate Warrior left WWE.

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_07]: I love it.

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_07]: I can get used to this.

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_07]: It's a long time coming.

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_07]: I just love how we were just like, we got to talk about some of these variety shows.

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_07]: I even got begged for it by some podcasts I've been on that talk about acting.

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_07]: Once it's at the movies, you're like, Cam, have you not done that one on this yet?

[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, trust me, we've been wanting to do it for a while.

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_07]: It's just, it's hard.

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_07]: I know.

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_07]: It didn't help that there were recent times.

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, I kind of want to talk less about it.

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_07]: And he's like, okay, everything's boring again, socially, economically.

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_07]: I think I'm ready to talk about it now.

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_07]: All right.

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_07]: And so am I.

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_07]: Rocking the cradle.

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_07]: So we're going to just do a kind of a brief outline on each.

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_07]: Just, we were thinking, hey, let's talk about Bill Maher's talk show, real time.

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_07]: Since he's had since 03.

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_07]: And then talk about the Young Turks, which has been around since 02, formed by a bunch

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_07]: of comedians and political commentators.

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_07]: And then just briefly hint on the Daily Show, Comedy Central's hit 1996 to present day

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_07]: satire mock news station.

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_07]: First off, I mean, Rich, you obviously have an appreciation of just all the various inner

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_07]: workings of media, of commentators, sports, genre actors, and just guerrilla filmmaking

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_07]: to name many.

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_07]: But why do you think you were just kind of drawn to the, all three of these doing just off kilter

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_07]: or just, obviously we'll start with Maher because that's, that's the one you're big

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_07]: on.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_07]: But like, I just, they're, they each have a round table and they each do just wacky skits

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_07]: that are just both the answer to everything wrong with wrong ways on how to report the

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_07]: news and open up a discussion with different sides.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_07]: Um, but how did you become ready for that in a post dial up internet age?

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I could tell you, I've been a fan of Bill Maher when he was doing politically

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_08]: incorrect, not on, on Comedy Central.

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_08]: He originally started in Comedy Central.

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Then it went to ABC.

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Big mistake.

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Fired.

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_08]: And then actually him getting fired was the best thing in the world because politically

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_08]: correct.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_08]: I enjoyed, but they needed ratings.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, they, first of all, they need sponsors.

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_08]: So every 10 minutes they would have a commercial.

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_08]: They really couldn't get into deep discussions because they would, all right, time to take

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_08]: commercial break.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_08]: And he couldn't really have the guests he wanted because he needed more popular stars

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_08]: to get the ratings.

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_08]: So it was people that really couldn't have a good kind of, you can remember that.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_07]: Did you ever see the one where he had, uh, Jimmy Kimmel and Adam Carollo?

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_07]: They were promoting the man show and same kind of deal like them and a bunch of other

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_07]: feminists start bickering and then time to go to commercial.

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, well, once again, I, I, I will never know what fathom there unless you get

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_07]: either of them on a talk show talking about what the hell happened.

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, no, exactly.

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_08]: And that's why I did enjoy the show.

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_08]: And I, and I always, this is why I, the three shows you mentioned, I like him the best

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_08]: and we can talk about the other shows after, but he is one of the only people I know that

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_08]: actually has people that he disagrees with.

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_08]: And he's not afraid to have them on the show.

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_08]: He likes to debate.

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_08]: He doesn't shoot them down.

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_08]: He's not kind of sending to them when people boo, when they come out, he'll say, you know

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_08]: what?

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_08]: They had the balls to come on the show.

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Let them talk.

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_08]: And I love that because, and even sometimes they'll say something like, I agree with

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_08]: you.

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_08]: People boo him.

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_08]: He goes, what?

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_08]: I can't disagree against something that, cause as people who know, probably everybody

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_08]: knows he's in the center, but he's more to the left.

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_08]: But everybody's like, when did you become more of the right?

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_08]: He goes, when the left went crazy.

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_08]: And I agree with him because I hate the extreme right.

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_08]: And I hate the extreme left.

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_08]: And he is one of the only people that are more to the left that can bring that up without

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_08]: because you'll never hear anybody on MSNBC.

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Never hear Rachel, Rachel Maddow, or even in the old days, Keith Olman, either having somebody

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_08]: that they disagree with or somebody they'll never say an example is Rachel Maddow was on

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_08]: the Bill Maher one time.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_08]: And she said something about this is when Obama was president.

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_08]: You can't say that.

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_08]: He's not your boyfriend.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_08]: I can say whatever I want.

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Why are you?

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Why are you?

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_08]: He's my, he's my president.

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, he's my president, but he's not perfect.

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_08]: And I love the fact that he can see the good and bad on both sides.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_08]: And I think he's fair.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_08]: And he has guests.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_08]: Now we're talking about real time where he'll have politicians that are actually involved

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_08]: in all this, and then they can give their perspective.

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Perfect example is last week.

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_08]: He had a Mark Esperon, who was the defense secretary of defense for Trump.

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, that's right.

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_08]: And I loved it though, because he, I actually liked the guy.

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_08]: He let the guy speak.

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_08]: The guy did have some good things to say.

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_08]: And he was like, what it was like working for him.

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_08]: And he obviously doesn't like him and thinks he's horrible for office and would not, you

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_08]: know, he goes, he goes, I can deal with bad policies with Joe Biden.

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_08]: That's what he's talking about because I can't deal with this.

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_08]: And, but imagine like an perfect example of what I'm saying was other shows wouldn't

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_08]: let them have somebody with opposing views on is MSNBC.

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_08]: They hired a Republican for, and they, all these people like Joe Scarborough and all these

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_08]: different people were saying, Oh my God, get her off the air.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_08]: She's why, why it's called freedom of speech.

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_08]: If you don't like her, have her on your show and say, what the hell are you thinking?

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_08]: You think the election was stolen?

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_08]: Why do you think that?

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_08]: And then just basically put her in a place instead of banning her from the shows and saying,

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, censoring her saying that's just going to make them look bad.

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_08]: I thought the left was all about freedom of speech, but now it's, there's freedom of

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_08]: speech until it's something they disagree with.

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, CNN is a total joke too.

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_07]: It used to be like something for everybody.

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_07]: And now they've been kind of trying to piggyback on the same thing.

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, so the biggest issue is you have people who aren't going anywhere in the conversation and they're not deep enough.

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_07]: And all is like a scene.

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_07]: And especially as a joke, like they had people who are just like, Oh, we've got to be polite.

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_07]: Got to be polite.

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, the Don lemons.

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_07]: And then they have the Santorums who are all about just hot tags, just with baseless accusations.

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_07]: It's like, so you are encouraging even more just a venom, just a swamp filled with just unorganized hot takes that are just to incite more and more anger and cheap ratings.

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_07]: So yeah, I, I have pretty much blocked out a lot of it just because it really is a fucking joke at this point.

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_07]: Like just people who shouldn't even be on the air.

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, yeah, no, I agree with it.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_08]: And that's why I have to say real time is probably my, for those kinds of shows, real time is my favorite because he will have guests on with opposing views and he lets them debate out.

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_08]: Like we talked to you talked about an ABC when they're all right, let's go to a commercial.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_08]: It's an hour long.

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_08]: There's no commercial breaks.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_08]: There's no censors.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_08]: They could say whatever you want.

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_08]: And when he got fired, he goes, it was the best thing is now I'm actually on a channel that I watch.

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_08]: That's what was the first thing was back in 2003.

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_08]: And the show has just gotten better and better.

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, he's been doing it for years since, like I said, I think I remember seeing him on Comedy Central in 97, 90, somewhere around there.

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_08]: So he's been doing this show for a long time, real time, as you mentioned, since 2003.

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_08]: And I think this is the best format.

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_08]: And I don't get all my news from there, but I do like the fact that I could see people who were actually doing it or in the Senate, in Congress, they're on the show and they're not speaking hypothetically.

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_08]: But hypothetically, they're speaking from experience of what they're seeing going on.

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_08]: And I learned a lot just watching that show once a week.

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_08]: But I said, it's not like I turned it like he made a comment one time said, a lot of people say they get all their news from my show.

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_08]: He goes, that's fucking sad.

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_07]: And it's true.

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_07]: I do remember that.

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_07]: So just as a brief scoop, people who he's had on multiple times, he's had Fareed Zakaria.

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_07]: He's had Zaccara, Andrew Sullivan, Arianna Huffington, Bernie Sanders, Selman Rushdie, Joe Biden was on when he was a senator in Delaware.

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_08]: That was politically incorrect, though, I think.

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_08]: But Biden used to be on all the time.

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_08]: I used to love Biden on that show.

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_08]: He was.

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_08]: No, you know, it's funny about this.

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_08]: He made a people used to always talk about like this is back then the show.

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_08]: He was people always say that, you know, you you go on too long.

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_08]: He was some answers aren't yes and no.

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_08]: Sometimes I want to hear an explanation.

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_08]: He was that's what I like about you.

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_08]: It's right.

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, I know your opinions, but I actually like Biden.

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, we don't have to get into that.

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_07]: And yeah, I'm pretty much I'm going to vote for him.

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't think he's doing anything he's supposed to do, but it's pretty much it.

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_07]: You get two choices or you can throw it away to, you know, the Green Party or someone else.

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_07]: OK, oh, God.

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that's going to be a cluster.

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_07]: But I mean, he's had so many other awesome comedians on there to Paul F.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_07]: Tompkins, Richard Belzer, Larry Miller.

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_07]: So let's talk about it.

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Let's stop right there for a second.

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Paul Tompkins years ago used to do a segment on the show.

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know if you remember that.

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_07]: I was vaguely.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_07]: And trying to be insult comic dog.

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_07]: I remember wasn't like the first year vaguely when I shouldn't have been.

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Because what's the show?

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Is it House Party?

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Who's the guy from House Party?

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_07]: He didn't play.

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_07]: Kid wrote something.

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Read is his name.

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Kid Reed.

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_08]: He wrote the theme song for them.

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_08]: They're he and Bill Maher good friends.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_08]: And he wrote the theme song for real time.

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_07]: I have a copy of the older theme somewhere.

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, it was just an awesome remix.

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_07]: And he's had so many other awesome activists on there like Chris Rock, Tim Robbins, Jenae Garofalo.

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_07]: And I think he's.

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_07]: So I mean, we'll talk about what he does now, but like back then, like somewhere in between the 2010s, I think he was just really good at just cutting off the conversation when it was getting out of hand.

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_07]: And I remember when he had more of Trump's cronies on and Jim Jeffries was on there and he was like, oh, bollocks to stop talking.

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_07]: Let me get my spoon or something.

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_07]: He was just a new kind of just when is like, OK, this is a lost fucking cause that there are times, though, where when he will have some guests on and I'm like, I don't think he's going to get anything out of this person.

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_07]: Why did they even come on here? Are they that clueless or do they need the publicity?

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_07]: Like, why do Ann Coulter or even Keith Olbermann need to come on here?

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_07]: Like, who cares?

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, Ann Coulter, from what I don't know if it's true or not, years ago, I think they used to date like in the maybe the 90s.

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, God. Yeah, this is a long time ago.

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_08]: And he he's actually he disagrees with everything she says, but I think they're they're actually friends off the air.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_08]: They get along because I said he's also best friend with Gerardo.

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_07]: Gerardo Rivera. But that's the thing. Like many people like Gerardo.

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_07]: It's just, yeah, he wastes his time on Fox.

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_07]: So you're like, what are you doing here, dude?

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_07]: Just go where you're actually needed.

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_07]: Like it is actually ironic how Gerardo used to be the loudest voice in the room.

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_07]: And now on Fox, all he does is get yelled at.

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_08]: The only person I liked on Fox and I still like him is Chris Wallace.

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_08]: I think that I used to love watching the show because you know why?

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Because he's just like Bill Maher.

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_08]: He'll have people who disagree with him.

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_08]: But also, I think he's I mean, he comes from the 60 Minutes family.

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_07]: So, oh, yeah.

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_07]: No, I mean, like the only guy actually reading the teleprompter while the other guys are hired to just say, hey, insert some propaganda here.

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, it's funny.

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm sure you know all this, too.

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_08]: He the reason he quit Fox is because Tucker Carlson came out with this stupid documentary about January 6 being a nice.

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, I didn't know.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, well.

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_08]: And he just said, I can't do that.

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_08]: He went to the head of Fox and said, get this off the air.

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_08]: This is stupid.

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_08]: And they're like, no.

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_08]: And he's like, I can't work with these people anymore.

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_08]: And there's one time this is where I mean, I've always been a fan.

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_08]: But one time I was I saw a clip of him on.

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_08]: He was the only show I watched on Fox.

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't like Fox at all, but he was on Fox and friends and they were reading something about Obama.

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_08]: And he goes, hold on.

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_08]: You didn't finish it.

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_08]: What he did say is you this and this.

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, come on, Chris.

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_08]: I thought we were friends.

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, I'm friends with you, but I'm more friends with the truth.

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_08]: And I said, yeah.

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_08]: And Rupert Murdoch got mad at him.

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_08]: So don't I want you fighting with my my anchors on the air, whatever you say off the air.

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_08]: And he goes, right.

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_08]: But I love the fact.

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_08]: And just it was funny because I watched not that long ago.

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_08]: I watched a of it was a remembrance of Mike Wallace and the eclipse of him on Chris.

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I bet.

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Chris Wallace or Mike Wallace goes, what are you doing on this station?

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Like my job, dad is come on this station.

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_08]: I was laughing so hard because he but the thing I like about him, just like I like about Bill Maher.

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Bill Maher will tell you like he's more independent.

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_08]: And I think he is because he I think the way he talks.

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_08]: But Chris Wallace, you can never tell if he was a Democrat, Republican or not because he just he went after.

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_08]: He made it more mysterious.

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_08]: Just as much as he went after Republic.

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_08]: But I saw people like that.

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_08]: I have a lot of respect for it.

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_08]: And I like respect for Bill Maher because he's not afraid to say what he really feels.

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_08]: He's not afraid to back down from a fight.

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_08]: He's not afraid of controversy.

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_08]: He's not going to go.

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, I better not say this.

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_08]: I'll make it canceled.

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_08]: He gives a shit less about being canceled.

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_07]: I think there's only it's actually been interesting hearing him do his podcast because it just varies.

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_07]: Sometimes he's really talking about nothing.

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_07]: But then other times he's actually getting really kind of.

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_07]: Philosophical.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_07]: And I mean, I much would rather someone like him versus Joe Rogan.

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't.

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, because Rogan's like trying to be kind of like Stern, but without any idea of how to be over the top and reel it back in.

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_07]: Like he's just kind of just he just gets high and that's his formula.

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_07]: And then he goes, oh, it's awesome.

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_07]: It was like, well, that's not a conversation.

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, here's what I don't like about Joe Rogan.

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Joe Rogan pretends that he's a Democrat, but he's always used.

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_08]: I just hope mind I am.

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm going to I'm going to.

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I mean, how I like to.

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_08]: I think he's more of a conservative.

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_08]: He's more Republican.

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_08]: He's making himself to seem like more open mind because I just personally and this is just my opinion.

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_08]: People are watching this.

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_08]: You don't have to agree with me, obviously, but I don't.

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_08]: He comes out with all these stupid conspiracy theories like that's bull.

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Where'd you pull this out of?

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_08]: And that's why he goes.

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_07]: Why are you censoring me?

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_07]: And now lately he's been doing the whole I'm a libertarian.

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, yeah, yeah, sure.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_07]: No, he's he's he's definitely was a hard right wing.

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, he likes to Santa's he likes Trump.

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_08]: I never heard him once say anything bad about he loves him.

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_07]: And for what I get this, you know, Trump is all about the whole just lock anyone up.

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_07]: He's a drug dealer and he's like, I feel much safer with him.

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, really?

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_07]: Do tell.

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, that's what I laugh about people that like Trump.

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_08]: The people like him the most are the ones he hurts the most.

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_08]: It's the yeah, the poor uneducated and they love him as like you're he only cares about the rich.

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_08]: You give shit less about you.

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_07]: And they're not anyone next in office puts back all his cuts back.

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_07]: They're like, oh, the stock market's collapsing.

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, yeah, because he took away all the safeguards.

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I know.

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_08]: And the stock market right now is doing the best it's been.

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_08]: And you got a flood.

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, you take out the.

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_08]: But now now he's taking credit for all the stock market, which I think is hilarious.

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_08]: And then we said I know that sort of veered off a little bit, but what gets me mad is the whole thing is immigration.

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_08]: They had absolutely all they were going to pass.

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_08]: They're ready to pass it.

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_08]: You know, don't do it because then it's going to make Biden look good.

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_08]: They prove right there.

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_08]: They care less about the people.

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_08]: All they care about is him.

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_08]: He wants to use that as a platform to get back in office.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_07]: I knew many minorities who were like, oh, Trump's just joking.

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_07]: So I think this is why we need to shut all these different shows like this just to have a laugh and then just make sense of all the bullshit you hear from your next door neighbor or your coworker who you shouldn't even be talking politics in the first place.

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, exactly.

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_07]: He had freaking, you know, he's had.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_07]: Willie Nelson, David Mamet, Rosen Barr, Eric Idle, even just other activists like George Clooney, you know, and people on either side like Schumer and comedians like Penn Jillette, who's always varied on every side.

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_07]: And I mean, you've got to have make sense of anything Pete Buttigieg or Carly Farina say, too.

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_07]: And so he's had people like those types on and I've always felt like I understand them better, even if I have nothing in common with them.

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_07]: So you need something like that.

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, he's had even comedians I don't really follow anymore, like Jeffrey Ross or Dennis Miller, you know, and it's like he kind of had to have them on there because that was just kind of a way of just saying.

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_07]: But let's get to your audience.

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_07]: Why do you make people laugh the way you do?

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_07]: And I mean, yeah, well, that's what this is like you say.

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_07]: CNN is not going to have these type personas on.

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_08]: No, that's what doesn't give a fuck.

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_08]: And I like what he says.

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_08]: He goes, just half half of the Americans like Trump use.

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_08]: You can't hate all the people like him.

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_08]: You can hate him.

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_08]: But you just those those 50 percent of people that like him aren't going away.

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_08]: And then so he goes, I'm going to give them a voice.

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_08]: I want them to have and see what why what they're thinking, why they think the way they do.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_08]: That's why he says he goes, I don't agree with any of them because I can understand some of the reasons why they think like that.

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_08]: But I would never, ever agree with that.

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_08]: I like that instead of like being kind of setting and put it like I'll give an example.

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_08]: Bill Riley, let's go back to him.

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Bill Riley, let's go back to him.

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Bill Riley, let's go back to him.

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_08]: I'll give you a quick break.

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Bill Riley, let's go back to him.

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Bill Riley, let's go back to him.

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Let's come back because he didn't even blink.

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_08]: He goes, OK, because Bill Riley, shut his mic off, shut his mic off.

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_08]: It's like those are the people.

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_08]: They don't have anything to back up their arguments.

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_08]: All they do is they think that being loud is going to make them.

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_08]: No, it's like if you this is why, you know, G Gordon Liddy is.

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, absolutely.

[00:21:20] All right.

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_08]: I used to be in radio years ago.

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_08]: I got to tell you about him.

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, he had his awful patriotic serious ex-sem I think had him.

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I know.

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_08]: All right.

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_08]: For people who don't know, he was the one who was in charge of water.

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_08]: He was one of the people involved in Watergate, I should say.

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, he was the brains.

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_08]: He became a radio host.

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_08]: And I used to do radio and on the weekdays they had that show simulcast.

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_08]: And I used to listen to him while I was board checking the show.

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_08]: And I have to say, I disagreed with him about 95% of the time.

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_08]: But here's why I liked him.

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Because just very calmly he would say, he would let the person talk and talk and talk.

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_08]: He goes, all right, well, this is why I disagree with you.

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_08]: And he would come back with like this kind of like he was never condescending.

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_08]: He was never trying to over talk them.

[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_08]: He'd let them have their say and maybe as misguided as he was in so many things.

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_08]: I like the fact that whatever he said, he goes, this is why I think like this.

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_08]: This is where I get this back from.

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_08]: So it's just that there's more coasts like that.

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_07]: I think instead of just he is a bizarre one, like he would really sit quiet in between some racist views that he would share.

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_07]: And then he would still kind of be.

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, he would end it with the Patriot card.

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_07]: He is the most out of all the people we have probably tackled.

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_07]: And he is just a bizarre one because you betray your country and then you kind of reborn again saying.

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_07]: And by the way, I still love America is like I've never seen a rebirth that way.

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_07]: Usually you never get a second chance if you've done something that unimaginable.

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_08]: So, well, you know, it's funny with him.

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_08]: He thought that what he did was being patriotic.

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_07]: The president, yeah, ordered it.

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_07]: So it's just bizarre.

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_07]: It's just like I and as much as I can't get behind him, there was bound to be someone like him, if not more than Downey Jr.

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_07]: or just any other outspoken person.

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, it's kind of just where radio is now.

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_07]: Like they want you to be extreme, but not too extreme.

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_07]: And it's like, well, good luck with that.

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_07]: We've changed so much in 20 years.

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, let's get your opinion on this, because I don't know the when I say I don't know the whole story.

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_08]: I think maybe there might be more.

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_08]: I despise Alex Jones.

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't I think he's just a low light.

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_08]: No, but listen, though.

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, I know what he said, but is there a reason why he got sued?

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, I've been sued by all these people is like.

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_08]: All right.

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_08]: I know he said they were actors and it was the stupidest things.

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_08]: I know people that were killed over.

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_08]: I live in Connecticut.

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Maybe like 25 minutes away.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_08]: I used to work five minutes away from that area.

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Sandy Hook, not Calvary Sandy Hook.

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_08]: So but he was saying that they were actors.

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_08]: It wasn't true.

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_08]: So but to me, if that was all he did that to me, it's freedom speech.

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_08]: And if you don't like you don't have to listen to it.

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_08]: But was there something more why they were suing him?

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_07]: Because if that was mainly that he was damaging their name.

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_07]: And aside from liars, he was also just kind of victim shaming and just all the other information misinformation was really hurting their case and getting.

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_07]: Just.

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, just their day in court, you know, for all the poorly set up evacuations and everything is just and.

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_07]: And it's it's mainly more just that he went beyond just the whole freedom of speech and just really just like destroyed their name.

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_07]: So it was it became defamation and then it became just like you're dishonoring our, you know, our killed kids.

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_08]: OK, I was just wondering because I said I.

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_07]: But now he's just like trying to deny I never said that it's like, yes, you did.

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, with that stupid, because everything you can go back and listen to the audio on our TV clips on.

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_08]: That's why I think it's funny with.

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, though, Mara, she said this so perfectly.

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_08]: He goes.

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm going to Trump now.

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Trump's the same way as like whenever somebody says he never said that I said, let me get my phone.

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Let me show you.

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_08]: And then one time, somebody was talking.

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_08]: I said, well, Trump says he loves the the highly unintelligent or whatever the quote was like the the unintelligent.

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_08]: If he never said that, I said, hold on, let me get my phone.

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't have time for it.

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_08]: I got to go.

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_08]: I was like, oh, sure.

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Now, you know, I'm going to show you where he said that.

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_08]: But with that, I was saying, like, you can just go back.

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_08]: And the reason I brought that up was like with Alex Jones, you say, well, no, you didn't say it.

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, what about on October 5th, 2012, when you said this and show him your phone or YouTube clip?

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_08]: So I don't it's you can't get away with anything anymore.

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_08]: So I'm surprised.

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm really honestly anyone who says they're an edgy talk show host and haven't been sued at one point.

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_07]: They're definitely lying, because like it's a mixture of you can be edgy, but you can also be just.

[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_07]: Like fess up, but then that's the other thing, but in many ways, they want these commentators to be much like the rowdy ones they see on Fox Sports or ESPN, where they're shameless and they're not going to take back their biased takes.

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_07]: And so then it's just like.

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, as long as really no one gets hurt, I think that's OK, but like, you know, words can kill.

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_07]: But at the same time, they actually can't.

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_07]: But at the same time, like they can go too far.

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, like Howard Stern has episodes he will never remaster just because he's like, yeah, that's just not how my persona is anymore.

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't want anyone seeing that episode.

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_07]: It's really shitty.

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_08]: But it's like I actually like the old Howard Stern back in the 90s.

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_08]: I thought he was like now.

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_08]: I think he's from my opinions.

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_08]: I think he's become the person he always used to make fun of.

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_07]: Kind of.

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I said he still gives great interviews, though.

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, no, that's that's I will give him that a thousand percent that I do like the interviews.

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_08]: But like his show now, it's just all about like, oh, I got to work three days a month.

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, I hate this.

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, I got to get up.

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_07]: Really?

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_07]: Lately, they've been making fun of just under stuff that they do with Ronnie and Robin and everything.

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_07]: It's mainly just other locker room talk now where they're just like, remember that time you trip that guy or that guy was so rude to you?

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_07]: Why was it?

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_07]: But yeah, it's never as much of let's prank call someone.

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_07]: But pretty much as you're going to get is the masking for the time someone who's pissed off George to Kai and having him come in.

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_08]: George is great.

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_08]: He's a great guest.

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_07]: The latest one where he was judging everybody's nipples.

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_07]: George.

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, no.

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_07]: So that's as risky as they're going to get.

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_07]: But yeah, they come a far way, long way.

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_07]: But now, I mean, in many ways, these guys are all part of the same pie.

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_07]: That's the crazy part.

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_07]: They have nothing in common, but they're all kind of part of one loud voice.

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I even knew people in college who watch.

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_07]: You're going to find this crazy.

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_07]: They watched both O'Reilly Factor and Bill Maher.

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, what?

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, sir.

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_07]: One's loud and the others.

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_07]: Let's come here and sit at the table and have a few laughs.

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_08]: So, no, what's funny is there's a lot.

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_08]: There's a lot of people that disagree with my politics will say, I'm not going to be a little bit.

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_08]: I like Bill Maher.

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_08]: Because you know what?

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_08]: And I think one of the reasons is, is that because they'll still see a clip where he's

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_08]: talking about how crazy some of the left is just as much as you talk about how crazy

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_08]: some of the right is.

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_08]: And I actually, so he can, he's not even, the thing I like about it is he's not playing

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_08]: to any side.

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_08]: He's just speaking his mind.

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_07]: That's what it's probably why some people have been misinformed saying, oh, he's not,

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_07]: he's not a Democrat anymore.

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, well, he's always been about the bigger picture.

[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_07]: That doesn't mean that he switched sides or anything.

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_07]: He, and again, people liked him because he wasn't saying you got to say what's on the

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_07]: teleprompter for CNN.

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_07]: We got to be neutral.

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, no.

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_08]: And that's, that's what makes me angry because CNN and MSNBC can talk about some of the crazy

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_08]: things that they do.

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_08]: And just like Fox would love once for somebody to say Trump is, is crazy.

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_08]: And there are some, Chris Wallace is a good one.

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_08]: I mentioned him and also Brett bear on Fox.

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_08]: He I've seen him.

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_08]: He had an interview with Trump.

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_08]: He goes, no, sir, that's not true.

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_08]: Sir.

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_08]: What about this?

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_08]: No, that's not true.

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_08]: And he's now over and over.

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_08]: And so there are some people on there and just like every baby, you can't take a walk

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_08]: off in the middle of it and say, oh, this interview is on.

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_07]: It's fine.

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_07]: This is too woke.

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_07]: What?

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm on Fox news.

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_07]: And that's the other funny thing too.

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_07]: Everyone is going to news max just because they'll, they'll take anything, you know,

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_07]: my pillow guy and, and they'll pay every FCC fine for misinformation while Fox news is

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_07]: like, oh, well you can say something about, you know, racist, but you can't say something

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_07]: that's not against the constitution.

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_07]: But at the same time, we're not going to show the full speech because you know, for Fox

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_07]: news and MSNBC would also drive me crazy.

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_07]: Cause I had so many people when Trump first got elected and they would just like hate

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_07]: watch it.

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, see, they're getting your hopes up.

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_07]: Cause they're saying this person is being investigated when their trial is not for another

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_07]: two months.

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, you gotta chill.

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_07]: You gotta actually, I mean, I don't know about you, but like, I would just start the day off

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_07]: just with a simple Google news scan and then just get on with the day.

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_07]: Because I couldn't do that.

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, and there was always plenty of comfort food.

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_07]: If you want something fun on TV, there's a cool documentary.

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_07]: If you want to watch one of the Dick Wolf shows where a rapist or a skinhead gets shot by

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_07]: a FBI sniper, that's pretty entertaining.

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, and you don't have to get all eaten up.

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, I know.

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_08]: That's what, that's what kills me.

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_08]: It's like, don't even watch if it's going to make you this insane.

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_08]: It's just crazy.

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_08]: There's some people just, I mean, for the most part, you and I both got sick of superhero

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_07]: movies.

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_07]: So we just stopped watching them.

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, I always say for the most, excuse myself guys, not watching that.

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_08]: And I always tell people, I said, for the most part, our life's not going to change that

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_08]: much.

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_08]: I would never, ever, ever, ever, never want to see Trump in office again.

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_08]: But for the most part, my life's not going to change that much.

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_08]: And when everyone actually the last Bill Maher episode was great when he goes, you know,

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_08]: I love, he has this segment called new rules, which I know, you know, some of the people

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_08]: who are watching this and it was like, he goes, I'm so sick of people saying, Oh, well,

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_08]: how was your life better?

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Blast better four years ago or now?

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_08]: He goes, of course it was left.

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Four years ago.

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_08]: I was looking for a thing, a toilet paper on an empty shelf.

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_08]: I couldn't even go outside.

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_08]: It was better.

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_08]: And he had this 15 minute thing of all the different things.

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_08]: And I think that is the problem is the Democrats don't know how to sell themselves because there

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_08]: are so many things.

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, he, Maher does a great job of helping him out.

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_08]: He had a chart.

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_08]: He goes, Oh, Reagan's a big hero.

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_08]: He showed the chart.

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Biden had the best economy over Reagan, over Obama and over Trump.

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_08]: That was, it wasn't something he just made up.

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_08]: These were facts.

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_08]: He had the numbers and everything, but this is where Democrats have to be.

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_08]: And yeah, it's just so.

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, and I mean, truth be told, most side does come down pretty hard on drug dealers, but

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, this is where all we can ask for is just good.

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, unfortunately there's going to be propaganda everywhere and then there's going

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_07]: to be, you know, drugs are bad.

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_07]: So really it's a mixture of everything.

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_07]: Like someone who's already kind of asking for trouble often is going to get probably

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_07]: a shitty deal or be made an example.

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_07]: So you got to just, regardless of what your school is teaching you do extra research.

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_07]: Like there were guys I'm telling you compared to like Oh nine, the internet has opened up

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_07]: so much to where there, you can tell what's a legit source versus what hasn't been fact

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_07]: check.

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_07]: And I'm not talking whatever is or isn't allowed to be shared on Facebook.

[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, like I'm going even more like into the well, like for one, well, for instance,

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_07]: I wanted to do a for religions of the world class, a study on Scientology.

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_07]: I couldn't find shit because you know, it was pretty closeted up.

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_07]: And now, you know, there's a bunch of different horror stories about it.

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_07]: And, you know, with archive, fortunately backing up so many now defunct sites and everything

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_07]: is like this.

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_07]: It has opened up so much since guys that there's and I just linked a documentary for you on HBO

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_07]: Max, the truth versus Alex Jones.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_07]: But yeah, it's like there is so many resources and at least these guys, you know, that's

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_07]: the whole point of the four person round table.

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_07]: There's going to be different things.

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_07]: And when it gets too heated, you know, you can calm down.

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_07]: And it's not like they said up front, this is a documentary show.

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, that's what that's what I'm glad you brought that up.

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_08]: This is what I wanted to bring up one.

[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_08]: I want to talk about what you said about comfort.

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Most people don't really want to do is they just want to list to somebody that has agrees

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_08]: with what they think already.

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_08]: So they'll watch it.

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_08]: They're not going to want to watch the news for the news.

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_08]: They're going to want to watch an opinion show, not the news.

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_08]: That's the other thing.

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_08]: It's like the news is not Sean Hannity.

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_08]: The news isn't Rachel Meadow.

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_08]: There's news.

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Then that's opinion shows.

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_08]: And so when people only want to watch things that people they agree with what they agree

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_08]: with.

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_08]: And the other thing was, it's the, the, the, the, what's the news show?

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh yeah.

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_08]: No, no.

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_08]: With the, with the, the, the opinion shows through.

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_08]: But anyway, so I just think that most people could really care less about the news.

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_08]: They just want to, and most people, if you don't trust me, that is absolutely true.

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, they'll be walking from the living room to the kitchen and there'll be something scrolling

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_08]: on the bottom of the screen.

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_08]: And then if they're talking to somebody, they act like they know what they're talking

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_08]: about.

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_08]: They'll read, they'll read verbatim what they read on the scrolling of the bottom of the

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_08]: news.

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_08]: And it's like, well, can you back that up?

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, and they have no idea because all.

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_07]: Or they looked at the headline, but they didn't look at the source that's at the bottom.

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I do this with comic book movie where some, most of the time they're linking a

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_07]: bogus rumor, everything.

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_07]: And just once in a blue moon, they cite an actual like Hollywood reporter or associated

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_07]: press article.

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, okay, you want out this once, but most of the time they're taking it from a

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_07]: forum in a different language.

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_07]: It's bullshit.

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_07]: But yeah.

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_07]: I actually had a relative who was far right.

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_07]: And she would randomly be watching Rachel Maddow just because she liked the way she talked.

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, well, so you're just blindly listening to her, even though she's not even saying

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_07]: something for your side.

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_07]: And don't get me wrong.

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_07]: I've seen progressive types go to their hard right people.

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_07]: I used to go to my grandfather's military home and as progressive a guy as he was, we

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_07]: weren't ever surprised that when he wanted to go to his, you know, neighbor's house,

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_07]: you know, they're, they got Fox news blaring really loud, you know, next door.

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_07]: It's just, and he didn't give a shit.

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_07]: He just wanted to hang out with them.

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_07]: And that was just what got voted on, on whatever coverage was being watched that night, even

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_07]: though he know that most of the guys on there couldn't report to save their life.

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_07]: So is this, you got to just kind of breathe in with it and just be patient with everybody,

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_07]: unfortunately, because they're only going to keep being more stuck up and closing you out over

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_07]: just the most petulant arguments at this point.

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_08]: It just, when somebody gets in an argument with me, I said, why don't we talk about something

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_08]: that we, that we have so many other things in common.

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm not going to change your mind.

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_08]: You're not going to change my mind.

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_08]: So why do we even have to have this conversation?

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_07]: I hate this.

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, I hate this.

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_07]: So why are you bringing it up?

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Just because you tell me that you saw something, it's not going to be, Oh, wow.

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Cameron, you're right.

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm changing everything I have thought of for the last 50 years.

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_08]: And this is what I believe now.

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_08]: It's like, that's never going to happen.

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_08]: And I like, but it's funny because I have so many people say, you know what, Rich?

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_08]: I love, uh, these are people that disagree with me on different things.

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_08]: I love you're doing what I can really talk to like this because you don't get mad.

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_08]: I said, why should I get mad?

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_08]: That's I love talking to people with different opinions because like they say, when you hear

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_08]: something or when, when you're talking, all you hear is what you know.

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_08]: So I like talking.

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_08]: And so I'm like, so I'll say, well, why would you think that?

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_08]: What would you have to back that up?

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_08]: And then I'll say, well, this is why I think this is what, and my friend actually said,

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_08]: he goes, I love the fact is every time you give me an argument, you tell me exactly what,

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_08]: where you got this from and what you, why you think this.

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_08]: And I say, I'm not going to just spout information that I've, I heard half, half-assed.

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm going to say, no, this is I, cause I'm just like you.

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_08]: I, if I read something, I'm not gonna just read the headline and read the whole article,

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_08]: but then I'll go to different sources.

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm like, well, it doesn't say that here.

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Let's see like what's real and what isn't real.

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm not going to just take the first article I read and say, oh, that's gotta be true.

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, and especially a good reputable source will correct it the next day when they get

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_07]: told by the rep, Hey, you got the time of death on this celeb wrong or the, uh, you know,

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_07]: the, whoever PR for the white house is now offered this additional thing on the following

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_07]: hour to clarify.

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_07]: So, yeah, I mean, eh, back checking is really a bitch.

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_07]: And it's like, and if you show them proof that they got it wrong, they're now thinking

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_07]: you're making it personal.

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_07]: So in a way, this is why many people do avoid it.

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_07]: Cause they feel like they're all turning on each other, but it's like, well, we don't even

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_07]: have to turn on each other to begin with.

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_07]: We just got to back your shit up.

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Exactly.

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_08]: And I have no problem with people with differing opinions.

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_08]: I just want to know what, why do you think that way?

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_08]: And if you could tell me, oh, rich this and every once in a while, those friends on all

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_07]: sides of the equation, but we can all agree.

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_07]: We just want to be entertained.

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_07]: We don't want a loud mouth and we don't want anyone just saying something.

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_07]: That's just, I mean, there's a, you can be friends with an asshole or jerk.

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_07]: You can't be friends with a douche bag.

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Exactly.

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_07]: No, I'm, I'm, the, the, the, the, have you ever heard the laughing test?

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_07]: No, it's that.

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_07]: So basically a jerk is going to go, Hey, kind of like beavis and butthead.

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_07]: An asshole is going to be like, you know, just laugh real deeply.

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_07]: And douche bag is going to trip you and then laugh.

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_08]: That's, I never heard that one before.

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_08]: That's hilarious.

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_07]: A douche bag is going to be like sucks to be you and then still your girlfriend.

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, it's just something you can't forgive.

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, it's just like, that's funny.

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, an asshole or jerk is just basically going to say something out of line, but at

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_07]: least, you know, they'll buy you a burger to make up for being a dickhead earlier.

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_07]: It's just amazing though.

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_07]: Like many people can't tell that they'll just go, Oh, you know, and I mean, my sister

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_07]: would have some of these friends who would just do that with a radical movie, the whole

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_07]: you're dead to me.

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, but now they're not even joking.

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, you know what?

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_07]: Buzz off.

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_07]: And even your friend, you're a friend of a friend.

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't see the point of getting that extreme just cause I can disagree with you.

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, it's, it's so stupid.

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_08]: It's gotten even worse.

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Now we're an example.

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm trying to think of what it was.

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_11]: You are wrong.

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_11]: You are wrong.

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_08]: No, but there was a, it was a Democrat.

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_08]: I want to say it was a democratic Senator.

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_08]: I can't remember.

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Maybe it was somebody or she was, or she was, she was a Democrat.

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_08]: Maybe it was an actress.

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know what it was, but anyway, she was, she went to a baseball game with George

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_08]: W.

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Bush.

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh my God.

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_08]: That's like, who cares?

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_08]: We're watching a baseball game.

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_08]: George is actually a nice guy.

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't agree with anything he believes in, but I get along with him.

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_08]: And so, I mean, but the fact that she was, people were trashing her because she's talking

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_08]: to a Republican.

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_08]: It's like, really?

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_08]: It just, I mean, it's gotten that bad, but actually in real time, it was somebody, they

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_08]: had somebody that was in Congress for like 30 years.

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_08]: And she said it was the worst it's ever been.

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_08]: She goes before we would argue.

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Then we all go, Hey, let's go to lunch.

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Now it's like, they're on that side and they don't talk to each other.

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_08]: It's just that now, I mean the whole build back better people, the Republicans that voted

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_08]: for that, which if you read it, it actually has a lot of good things.

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_08]: And it's going to help out not immediately, but over the years, the Republicans that were

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_08]: voting on it, we're getting death threats from people.

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_08]: It's like, and even Bill Maher said, he goes, one of the most boring things in the world.

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_08]: People are getting death threats on because they're voting for democratic.

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_08]: And that's how bad it's gotten.

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_08]: It's just has nothing to do with us.

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_07]: There's no double standards anymore.

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_07]: No.

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_07]: So you might as well just have different talk show hosts.

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_07]: Talk about stuff that will never be resolved anyway.

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_07]: So, but that, that is true.

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_07]: It has gotten to the point where it's just like, not, not every person wants blood.

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_07]: Not everybody's going to just refuse to actually do their job, you know, and then collect money

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_07]: under the table.

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_07]: Some of them do legit want to get it done.

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_08]: I know.

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_08]: And you know what?

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_08]: I, very recently I saw Liz Cheney speak.

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_08]: I disagree with her pretty much everything, but I have so much respect for it because she

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_08]: can, I, she's somebody that I think is highly intelligent, but even she said, cause her job

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_08]: right now.

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_08]: And I love this.

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Her job is to go everywhere she can and make sure Trump does not get in office.

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_08]: She goes, and this is where Mark Esper, who was on real time last week, got this quote

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_08]: from.

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_08]: He said, she goes, I can deal with four years of bad policies.

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_08]: I can't deal with four years of insane craziness, lunatic.

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_08]: And I don't even, I mean, I like her for that, but I also just think that she, she is very

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_08]: intelligent and just because she has different, fundamentally we don't agree in a lot.

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_08]: But that's why I think it's so stupid to how these Republicans, the one I'll call them

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_08]: the Magus.

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_08]: The Magus are the ones I really hate Republicans.

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't hate Magus.

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_08]: And I'll tell you what I mean.

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_08]: They voted her out of Wyoming.

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_08]: She, she is the Republicans.

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_08]: If they really believe in the Republican way of thinking, she has a Republican dream

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_08]: and Dick Cheney was her father.

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_08]: She voted for Trump 93% of the time.

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_08]: The only thing she did was say, oh my God, January 6th was a bad thing.

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_08]: He should not be causing an insurrection.

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh my God.

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_08]: You can't talk about my orange guy like that.

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_07]: You can't support the man in charge.

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_07]: Yes.

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_08]: So, I mean, she is the Republic.

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_08]: If that's what I know that they care less about the Republican values.

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, no, you're not.

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_08]: If you were, the guy has no values and no morals at all.

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_08]: So just shut up and you're part of a cult.

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Those, and I'm talking about the extremes.

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_07]: And why even believe that he even has a so-called dilemma, a so-called, it doesn't

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_07]: make sense to me that Erwin thinks he actually goes to a church.

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_07]: And going to a church doesn't mean you actually believe in it.

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_08]: So, somebody on Fox just recently asked him, well, what's your favorite bio path?

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, I don't, I have a lot.

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't want to get into it.

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, you can't pick-

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm not, I'm not political.

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_07]: That's my favorite.

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm not political.

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm not political, but I'm still going to go home and get angry out of TV.

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_07]: Huh?

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_07]: Huh?

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_08]: But the funny thing was, is he was a Democrat.

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_08]: He helped Bill Clinton get in office.

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_08]: And, but then all of a sudden, as soon as three, he couldn't get involved in the party.

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Hey, guess what?

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_08]: He even made a comment saying, I should go to, this is years ago.

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_08]: I should go to a Republican party.

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_08]: They're dumber over there.

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_08]: They'll accept anybody.

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_08]: He actually, I can find that quote somewhere.

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_08]: He, he said to you, I should go to a Republican because they'll, they're gullible.

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_08]: So it's just, oh, I just don't understand.

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_07]: He would say anything.

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_07]: And that's the other problem.

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_07]: It's just, and then if anything, this is encouraging more people to not go to the polls.

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_07]: And that just makes me want to just say, well, then why, why even having this conversation

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_07]: if we're, you're just, you don't care to begin with.

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I know people that do that.

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_08]: And they're like, oh my, I'm not going to vote.

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_08]: I said, well, then why are you complaining?

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_08]: You have nothing to complain about.

[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_08]: If you're saying that this is wrong, this is wrong.

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_08]: If you really believe in that you would get more involved, you would do something about

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_08]: instead of just sitting here.

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, I do things.

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_08]: And this is funny.

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_08]: I do things.

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, this is, this is, you're going to love this.

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_08]: He, he was such a mega that he was hiding Robert De Niro movies at Best Buy.

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Cause he didn't want people to buy his movies.

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh my word.

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, uh, I said, uh, man, that those are, those are the ones I hate.

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't care.

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_07]: Those are the same guys who also do the whole, I'm cool with that person.

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[00:45:13] [SPEAKER_08]: They'll start, they'll start a comment with, I'm not racist, but like, stop right there.

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_08]: I already, I don't know where you're going.

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_08]: I already know where you're going.

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Yep.

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Whenever they start a conversation, I'm not racist.

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_07]: I was wrong, but he had good ideas.

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, well, the minute you say, but I mean, do you halfway kind of like him?

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Or somebody goes, yeah, I got this doctor.

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_08]: He's Asian.

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_08]: I said, right.

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Can you stop right there?

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_08]: I said, why does it matter why he's Asian?

[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_08]: No.

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_08]: And so why'd you just bring it up?

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, I know those, those are the same people that do that.

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_09]: Pretty smart for an Asian guy.

[00:45:39] [SPEAKER_09]: Wait, whoa.

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Whoa.

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_08]: So those are, those are, I will say without a doubt, those are the people I hate and I'm

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_08]: not going to hate everybody that likes Trump.

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_08]: I disagree with all of you, but.

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_07]: I can tell someone versus who's just always voted that way versus they actually want to

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_07]: consider every illegal immigrant, a rapist.

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_07]: And it's just like, well, and there has been a lot of big topics that have been brought

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_07]: up on there.

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_07]: I know lately, um, Mar was kind of under fire just cause he brought up the N word during

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_07]: an example.

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_07]: And it was like, well, that was a joke.

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_08]: I know.

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_08]: I know.

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_08]: I saw that and I got mad because the next week he had to have ice cube on and all these

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_08]: other people and apologize.

[00:46:21] [SPEAKER_08]: He didn't have to apologize.

[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_08]: It was a joke.

[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Nobody got offended at all.

[00:46:25] [SPEAKER_08]: The people that he was saying it were laughing.

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_08]: The guy, the guy, he was, cause if people know the show, he starts with one guest alone,

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_08]: then he goes to the table.

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_08]: He made a joke.

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_08]: And the guy laughed, the audience laugh.

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Nobody was offended.

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_07]: And then all of a sudden I was like part of the whole thing.

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_07]: And yet, despite linking the thing, I saw so many people are like, ah, he's a grumpy

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_07]: old man.

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_07]: He should not be on here.

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Those are the people that have no idea who he is or what he's about because he is the

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_08]: exact opposite of that.

[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_08]: He, he's not just going on there spouting some old man views.

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_08]: He's going on there.

[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_08]: He's highly intelligent.

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_08]: He's highly informed.

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_08]: He knows what's going on.

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_08]: And just like we talked about, I said, I like the people that can back it up.

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Whenever he says something he'll have like, and the, on the green screen behind him have

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_08]: like all the facts behind him or on his notes.

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_08]: It's just, he, he's not just spouting his, uh, hatred for the world.

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_08]: He's like old man, like, Oh, take back America.

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_07]: And I don't watch him much now, but like I do.

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_07]: I have, I had many memories.

[00:47:26] [SPEAKER_07]: I would watch him when I was pet sitting.

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_07]: I would watch all kinds of just clips of them growing up, you know, even when I, I

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_07]: my parents lost bootleg cable.

[00:47:36] [SPEAKER_07]: I just always had a way to just kind of seeing what he was talking about.

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_07]: And I mean, there was a reason Seth MacFarlane and a bunch of other types were on there a

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_07]: lot, just cause they loved the whole, just way he kind of introduced a round table.

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:47:52] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_07]: I feel like we're to the point where no one wants anyone to really talk about anything

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_07]: anymore.

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_07]: And it's like, well, that's not going to happen.

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_08]: No, I, I, I watch it every single week.

[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_08]: I've never missed an episode.

[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_08]: I love the show.

[00:48:06] [SPEAKER_08]: I always look forward to it.

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_07]: Ever since it's been on you, you've seen pretty much at all.

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, I've never missed an episode.

[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_08]: There was times when something happened with HBO, but then he has the podcast, not, not random,

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_08]: the new one, but he had the podcast of his, the real time show as well.

[00:48:21] [SPEAKER_08]: So I've listened to it.

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_08]: That's right.

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_08]: I miss it.

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_08]: So I never, I've never missed an episode, but I, I have not, I can't remember the last

[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_08]: time I didn't watch one.

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_08]: I just love the show and I always look forward to it.

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_08]: And I love to guess.

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_08]: It's funny because years ago I met Salman Rushdie at a book signing.

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_08]: And I said, Oh, I love seeing you on real time.

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_08]: He goes, you know what?

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_08]: I hate you.

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_08]: He goes, they are always putting me on with Jean Garofalo.

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_08]: I hate Jean Garofalo.

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_08]: He goes, but I love working.

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_08]: I love Ben Affleck.

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Cause it was always Ben Affleck, Jean Garofalo and Salman.

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_08]: So I started, so that was in the summer, the September, the show started again, the first

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_08]: episode, Salman Rushdie, Jean Garofalo and Ben Affleck.

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_08]: I was laughing so hard as I was watching that.

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_08]: No one.

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Cause it's.

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_07]: How do you spell their name again?

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_07]: It's what?

[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Um, Jeanine.

[00:49:04] [SPEAKER_07]: No, no.

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_07]: I know Jeanine, uh, Simone.

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, Salman Rushdie.

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_08]: S A L M A N.

[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Rushdie.

[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_08]: He's the guy that had a fatwa put out.

[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_08]: I guess he wrote a book versus Indian British novels.

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_08]: And he's the one that, uh, Khomeini put a fatwa on him.

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_08]: And they said he was in hiding for years because he wrote a book called Satanic Versus.

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_08]: And that's what, that's where I met him.

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Cause he was, he was, uh, he wrote a new book and he was, uh, but he said that back then

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Stephen King was the nice.

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_08]: He goes back because when the book came out, Stephen King wasn't who he is now.

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_08]: He was an author.

[00:49:37] [SPEAKER_08]: He was known, but he said, I, he said, if they take Satanic Versus off the bookshelves,

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_08]: I will take all my books out of all your bookstores and may not be a big thing to you because I have a

[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_08]: lot of friends who are authors and they will do it too.

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_08]: And so they kept the book on the shelf.

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_08]: He goes, Stephen King was so good to me.

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_08]: He goes, he always believed in freedom of speech and being able to do it.

[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_08]: And he goes, I'll never, ever forget that.

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_08]: The guy is a, he was a really, like, I got a chance to talk to him for a while.

[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_08]: A really great guy.

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Really.

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know if you've seen him on the show.

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_07]: I do vaguely recall him on there, but yeah, he's, he's been on many talk shows, just promoting

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_07]: his books and very culturally versed.

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_08]: We came out of hiding after years on David Letterman show, like in 90th.

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_08]: I want to say 93, 94, somewhere around there.

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_08]: But yeah, he was, he was knowing where he was for years because he was hiding from the

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_08]: fatwa.

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_08]: And then he showed up on Letterman show.

[00:50:29] [SPEAKER_07]: There you go.

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Yep.

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_08]: And then he's been all over ever since, but then he actually, which is so sad.

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Recently, somebody who's talking, he was at this event where he was speaking.

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_08]: I want to say about free speech.

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Somebody ran up on stage and stabbed him.

[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:50:45] [SPEAKER_07]: I know he's gotten dead friends.

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_07]: I didn't know.

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_08]: This is fairly recent.

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_08]: I want to say maybe about a year ago, maybe a little bit less.

[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_08]: This happened.

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_08]: It's, it's sad.

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_08]: So what do you, so question for you then, what do you like best about real time?

[00:51:00] [SPEAKER_07]: I think just, you know, aside from the opening interview, it was just always good how he just

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_07]: even got the panel.

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_07]: He willed it on in here.

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_07]: And at the end, he wanted to have at least just some kind of consolidation.

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_07]: And sometimes the interviews could get out of hand because they really were divisive or not agreeing, you know, especially post 2016.

[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, everyone was talking about stuff and no one could agree on, you know, who's the best candidate or it was doomed to begin with.

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_07]: They need to do better candidates to fight Trump in the first place.

[00:51:33] [SPEAKER_07]: And at the end of the day, I could at least just go to sleep after some casual laughs.

[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_07]: Just, I mean, I remember there was a real heated one that had Bill, Bill, my, the science guy and a bunch of other guys.

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, I saw it.

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_07]: Who would have guessed they'd be watching hours of crappy news programming and having to use a clip the next day.

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_08]: No, well, question for you.

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Since you mentioned data show, I is John Stewart, the new host, or is he just filling in again?

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_07]: He's on like every other week now.

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_07]: And I think that's actually a good leeway because for a show that has had so many different hosts.

[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_07]: I think people remember more often than not just the wacky commentators.

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, Michael Shea went from that to SNL, Steve Carell and Ed Helms went from that to the office.

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_07]: And then, you know, Trevor Noah is this nobody South African standup guy who then decided, okay, now that I'm on here, you know, I think if anything, a good podcast you would love is basic before cable was cool.

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_07]: And they talk about almost every other person who worked at Viacom. And when John first joined, like the whole daily show writing staff was pretty hostile.

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_07]: Like they were not getting along. He's like, Hey, I'm a free guy. I'm a fair guy. If you don't want to write here, I'm not forcing you to stay here, you know, but I'm also not here to take over the show.

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm here to just, I like the gimmick. I like the whole idea and I'm just adding my two cents here and there.

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. So I think it has always been good at just kind of being a, you think you're watching an actual news segment and then you're not, and then you just have a hysterical inept.

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_07]: But they play different, they wear different hats. They wear different personas. And it's always so funny how whoever the, you know, field reporter is, they're saying something outlandish while they're, you know, talking to him on a green screen saying that makes no sense.

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. Well, you know, you mentioned, I mentioned off the air, I said, I think my favorite era of the show, which a lot of people, but I liked what the reason I liked that too, is that he had so many great people.

[00:54:19] [SPEAKER_08]: As you mentioned a couple of like Mo Rocca, Nancy Wall, Stephen Carell. Who's the guy that does the show now on HBO? My mind just went blank on this. He's an English guy.

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_08]: John Oliver. Yeah. John Oliver. Yeah. You know what's funny? I really didn't like John Oliver on a daily show. I liked him on his show now, but now I'm starting not to like him again.

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_08]: I think because for me, he's too far to the left. Like, I think he's like, what I don't like about the right is what I don't like about these people. He just will not have anything.

[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_08]: No, I understand.

[00:54:50] [SPEAKER_08]: So just like, it's always about like Republicans are bad.

[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_07]: He doesn't go as deep as I would like, but I have seen some people go, Oh, he's all I listen to. I can't do daily show anymore.

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_07]: So it is interesting how in one way or another. Yeah.

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_07]: Everyone's picked one corner to be. Yeah.

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_08]: One way or the other. And that's where I always go back to Bill Myers.

[00:55:09] [SPEAKER_08]: I think he's the only one out of all these shows that's stuck right in the middle.

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_08]: And that's what I like about his show the best, but daily daily show.

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_07]: Did you follow Samantha V at all?

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes. Samantha V. She's another one.

[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_08]: She's like one of the newer. She wasn't part of the regular. I mean, she was like newer ones.

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. Remember Ellen's brother, Vance DeGeneres? He was another hilarious guy.

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_07]: I didn't know he was on there. Wow. I saw so many of them, especially the best of special DVDs they would put out.

[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_08]: He was in the very beginning. And you know, what's funny about him is years ago, I went to a taping of the daily show and Jon Stewart was filming that movie death to smoochy.

[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_08]: So they had Vance DeGeneres as the host. I think that guy's hilarious.

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_07]: I will check him out. I know Samantha has a new show called Choice Words Podcast.

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_07]: I just found out while doing this, but no, that is true.

[00:56:03] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, so many of them were still there when Jon took over.

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_07]: And then if anything, I'm just glad that Comedy Central.com has always had all those clips up.

[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_07]: And episodes for the most part. So I never felt like, hey, you can never watch this ever again.

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, it was just like South Park. People want to watch an old, outrageous interview they did.

[00:56:25] [SPEAKER_07]: Did you ever see any of the author interviews they would often end the show with?

[00:56:31] [SPEAKER_08]: A daily show?

[00:56:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah, yeah. That's the one for me. That's a show I haven't really watched in a while, but I do remember that.

[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_07]: Right now, I would say they're heavy hitters that they have on right now.

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_07]: Ronnie Chong is probably the best one.

[00:56:47] [SPEAKER_07]: They always give him something stupid to do, and he'll work in some amusing Asian jokes.

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:56:52] [SPEAKER_07]: But they got Desi Ledeck, and she's hysterical because.

[00:56:59] [SPEAKER_07]: Like she will sometimes be that she goes back and forth.

[00:57:03] [SPEAKER_07]: She'll sometimes be the straight person or just the crazy person and sometimes do some outrageous like stunt that makes you go, whoa, did you just do that?

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_07]: It seems like.

[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, what's their name?

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Is Rob Corddry still on the show?

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_08]: He was hilarious.

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_07]: No, he's not.

[00:57:22] [SPEAKER_07]: But he did come back for when Jon first left.

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_07]: That was like, I think that's what I really dug the most when he first left.

[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_07]: Like everybody who had just been on there, like the first 15 years was pretty much back.

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_07]: I love you, man.

[00:57:35] [SPEAKER_07]: And everybody came back.

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_07]: Roy Wood Jr.

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_07]: I feel has contributed the best in terms of the field interviews.

[00:57:41] [SPEAKER_07]: But yeah, Michael Costa, he's the brunette haired guy who they have on now.

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_07]: And he he also like Desi will do kind of just something.

[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_07]: They still got the same formula.

[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_07]: It's just it's different hats.

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_07]: And there don't get me wrong all throughout the time I've seen it.

[00:57:56] [SPEAKER_07]: There have been weaker.

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_07]: Weeks where I've just been like, eh, that was OK.

[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_07]: But there's only like one.

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_07]: It's just like Saturday Night Live.

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_07]: There was only one funny gag, really, that.

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_08]: You know what I like on that show?

[00:58:08] [SPEAKER_08]: And I actually had a chance to see him and do comedy.

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_08]: And I got a picture with him.

[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Louis Black, Black on Black.

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_08]: But he does that.

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_07]: He is still on there on occasion.

[00:58:18] [SPEAKER_08]: And I love that.

[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_07]: He he doesn't slow down for anybody.

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_07]: I think, if anything, he's the more.

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, he had a great.

[00:58:28] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, maybe I'm the only one who thought it was great.

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_07]: He had a hysterical one.

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_07]: Where it's like he would take different dictators or scenarios and have two different comedians defend their side.

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, no, I remember that.

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that's I forgot about that.

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_08]: It was.

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_08]: No, I can't think of it.

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_08]: That's funny.

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_07]: They had a DVD and it sucked that they couldn't show it because like it was just censored.

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_07]: But a lot of people gave it some serious shit.

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_07]: They just were like, it's not funny.

[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_07]: The audience is rigged.

[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, well, just listen to the overall scenario that he's saying.

[00:59:02] [SPEAKER_07]: But whatever.

[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_07]: But I remember my it just never took off as big.

[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_07]: And the name of it was.

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_07]: And I'm sure everyone else is like, yeah, why don't you know it?

[00:59:13] [SPEAKER_07]: It's been years.

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, and he's always staying busy.

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_07]: He's always hosting some kind of.

[00:59:22] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, yeah.

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_07]: Comedy special.

[00:59:25] [SPEAKER_07]: If if there's anyone I see on my TV the most, it's probably him.

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_07]: Mark Maron, Aisha Tyler or just.

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_07]: Conan O'Brien.

[00:59:33] [SPEAKER_08]: What I like about Louis Black is I know, at least for a stand up, he doesn't really know

[00:59:37] [SPEAKER_08]: what he's going to do when he gets on stage.

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_08]: He has an evil.

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Yep.

[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_08]: I do now.

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_08]: As soon as you said that, I remembered it.

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_07]: And is this there's something I mean, Larry Wilmore did a funny one back in 2016 and no

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_07]: one saw it.

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_07]: I was like.

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_07]: So if anything, I like how everyone has.

[00:59:55] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, like you said before, I know people who are avid John Oliver fans, but I'm just

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_07]: kind of like, I'll watch a clip, but I'm not going to watch a whole show.

[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_07]: It just doesn't interest me.

[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_08]: I watched it for a while.

[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_08]: First, somebody said, oh, you're going to love us.

[01:00:07] [SPEAKER_08]: And I can't.

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_08]: I never I never liked him as a commentator on the show.

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_07]: And I said, I think conservatives will watch it just because he's British.

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_07]: And it seems to me just so wild how many Brits and conservatives seem to think just as radically

[01:00:20] [SPEAKER_07]: even when they don't.

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't I don't get it.

[01:00:23] [SPEAKER_07]: Actually, I do get it, but it's just.

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_07]: There's still a fault in the pipeline somewhere along the way where you're just like, you guys

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_07]: really don't have as.

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_07]: Enough in common.

[01:00:36] [SPEAKER_07]: You just have certain principles.

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_07]: If you think you have in common.

[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_08]: But I told told you before, I said the reason I got sick of it was because it was just all

[01:00:45] [SPEAKER_08]: one sided view.

[01:00:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Like he had all these views and it was like nothing to really balance it out a little bit.

[01:00:51] [SPEAKER_07]: We got to do this.

[01:00:52] [SPEAKER_07]: We got to do that.

[01:00:53] [SPEAKER_07]: And yeah, and it was just like it's kind of like Buttigieg where I'm like, well, that

[01:00:56] [SPEAKER_07]: doesn't apply anymore.

[01:00:57] [SPEAKER_07]: You're talking like 1999.

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[01:01:01] [SPEAKER_07]: Democrats or.

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_07]: And truth be told, a lot of the Democrats we loved are now corporate Democrats.

[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_07]: So you might as well be the neo Democrats who are trying to be progressive, who are trying

[01:01:14] [SPEAKER_07]: to make everyone happy.

[01:01:16] [SPEAKER_07]: And no, I mean, that that is also a good segue for.

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_07]: That's kind of why I really dug.

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_07]: Young Turks growing up.

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_07]: Because by 2008, 2009, like they were everywhere on YouTube.

[01:01:32] [SPEAKER_07]: And they were kind of like The Daily Show where they would take a clip and they would say,

[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_07]: can you believe what he said?

[01:01:38] [SPEAKER_07]: That doesn't make any fucking sense.

[01:01:40] [SPEAKER_07]: So they were kind of a little more unfiltered.

[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_07]: Like sometimes it'd be a little mean, like there's no way George Bush read a book where I'm like,

[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm sure he reads a book.

[01:01:49] [SPEAKER_07]: He just probably can't read it very well.

[01:01:51] [SPEAKER_07]: But but then there was other ones where it's like, yeah, no, I do agree with that.

[01:01:56] [SPEAKER_07]: Like they would at least call out more socially.

[01:02:01] [SPEAKER_07]: Crimes that more of us are probably kind of a victim of like credit card theft, crappy Bible study group leader or cop harassment.

[01:02:12] [SPEAKER_07]: So I liked how they brought in some social topics.

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_07]: And believe it or not, you'll love this.

[01:02:18] [SPEAKER_07]: They used to have Frank Conniff, TV's Frank from Mystery Science Theater.

[01:02:22] [SPEAKER_07]: When I interviewed him, he told me he used to do a lot of segments.

[01:02:24] [SPEAKER_07]: I was like, that makes sense.

[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_08]: I wanted to bring that up because you did.

[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Who did you interview from Young Turks?

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_07]: I did interview Chang Uger and he was a delight, you know, and it was so hard for me.

[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_07]: To contain my excitement because I only had him for 30 minutes.

[01:02:42] [SPEAKER_07]: So, you know, I think he's got to go and do five more tours, you know.

[01:02:47] [SPEAKER_07]: But, you know, I saw some people didn't like the interview.

[01:02:51] [SPEAKER_07]: Some of them were like, dude, this guy's a sham.

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, OK, well, why do you think that?

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_07]: He's like, he's asking for money.

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, and your local politician doesn't.

[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_08]: That's what gets me, man.

[01:03:03] [SPEAKER_08]: It's like, why do people have to go on there and just talk about what they don't like?

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_08]: It's like they're so...

[01:03:08] [SPEAKER_07]: They're really not too dissimilar.

[01:03:11] [SPEAKER_08]: If you saw that person in person, they'd be like, Cameron, how are you doing?

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, great show.

[01:03:16] [SPEAKER_08]: But behind the keyboard, you suck.

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_08]: The worst interview ever.

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, my God.

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_07]: I at least validated his interview.

[01:03:22] [SPEAKER_07]: I told him, here's the shit I'm hearing.

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_07]: And he just started just, you know, rolling his eyes saying, and then doing a signature.

[01:03:30] [SPEAKER_07]: Of course!

[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_07]: That's why people like him.

[01:03:33] [SPEAKER_07]: That's become a gift now.

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_07]: A meme, you say such and such something absurd thing.

[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_07]: And he says, of course!

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, which is his way of blowing off steam and saying, of course you said something that

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_07]: ridiculous.

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_07]: But when he was challenging in the primaries, you know, Joe Biden, everyone was like,

[01:03:49] [SPEAKER_07]: oh, he's going to be a third party like Bernie or Ralph Nader.

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_07]: And he's like, no, I'm just trying to beat him to the punch.

[01:03:57] [SPEAKER_07]: Now, obviously I didn't get the votes, but whatever.

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, it's just, it's interesting to me how they also are in the same boat, much

[01:04:05] [SPEAKER_07]: like Marr, where you would get this.

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_07]: Anna Kasparian, you know, the main brunette host.

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_07]: She stopped going on MSNBC because it became very apparent.

[01:04:15] [SPEAKER_07]: She said this, I would say within the last five years, she has especially said this.

[01:04:20] [SPEAKER_07]: She's like, I'm done playing games.

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_07]: It was very clear, much like when Jang was calling the election, because that's what

[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_07]: he does.

[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_07]: He studies the algorithms and the demographics.

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_07]: And he got laughed off when CNN didn't like that he was predicting, oh yeah, Hillary doesn't

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_07]: have a chance.

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_07]: She said this, she hasn't said that and that, and gone to this state.

[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_07]: Trump's unfortunately going to win.

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_07]: You can, I'm not saying he's a good guy.

[01:04:44] [SPEAKER_07]: And they're like, oh, you're full of it.

[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_07]: You're like, no, I predicted the last five elections prior.

[01:04:48] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm, I'm not saying this because I, you know, who I'm voting for.

[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_07]: And Anna had to stop going on MSNBC because she was, it became very clear to her.

[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_07]: They just want a pretty face.

[01:05:01] [SPEAKER_08]: It's like, I'm afraid to ask you who do they think is going to win this election?

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, I, I've been listening in and out of the season, but they, they were filling.

[01:05:15] [SPEAKER_07]: And that's why Chang just decided to try it, test out the water, see if he or Marianne

[01:05:20] [SPEAKER_07]: Williamson could get some votes.

[01:05:21] [SPEAKER_07]: And right now they're, they're mainly, they're pretty much just like, Hey, Biden, you have

[01:05:28] [SPEAKER_07]: no one to blame but yourself.

[01:05:29] [SPEAKER_07]: If you can't appeal to all these other people.

[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_07]: Cause here's the thing, you know, not much has, not enough has changed, but we're hoping

[01:05:37] [SPEAKER_07]: some college bills and other funding can go through.

[01:05:39] [SPEAKER_07]: So it's just, I've always liked how they have dissected.

[01:05:43] [SPEAKER_07]: Like you say, they have talked about shit that no one else.

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_07]: Much like Mar and daily daily show will at least bring up a amusing racial question or stupid

[01:05:54] [SPEAKER_07]: that they would even do what, uh, Conan would do where they would have an amusing bumper after

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_07]: the fact showing a stupid live video that they played earlier saying, can you believe that

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_07]: shit?

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, someone actually said that and no one stopped him, but they're at least good

[01:06:11] [SPEAKER_07]: at one thing they do a lot now is say no cookies for you.

[01:06:16] [SPEAKER_07]: And then the electrical effect that they will catch someone in a lie.

[01:06:20] [SPEAKER_07]: And one source they use a lot is open secrets.org.

[01:06:24] [SPEAKER_07]: And honestly, I have gone to that site a few times.

[01:06:27] [SPEAKER_07]: I think everyone should use that for the research papers.

[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_07]: Like what's it called?

[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_07]: Open secrets.org open secrets.org.

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_07]: So when someone says I didn't support, you know, this organization or.

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_07]: So let's say someone calls you in a lie saying, oh yeah.

[01:06:42] [SPEAKER_07]: Do you agree with this thing that the Chicago Tribune or Fox Broadcasting or NBC Universal

[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_07]: has supported?

[01:06:51] [SPEAKER_07]: And they say, I've never supported any of their bills, but you can go there.

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_07]: And if there's a parent company, that's one of those companies giving a contribution to

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_07]: their next campaign, you can say, hmm.

[01:07:01] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, no, I don't like these odds, but it's a good way of also just kind of, I get it,

[01:07:07] [SPEAKER_07]: you know, like, and they're good at just kind of saying, hey, you know, Elizabeth Warren's

[01:07:13] [SPEAKER_07]: more of a corporate Democrat while Nina Turner, Cori Bush and, you know, Chuck Schumer is definitely

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_07]: a corporate Democrat, but Nina Turner and Cori Bush are at least, they are definitely the

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_07]: progressives.

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_07]: They want to actually, they're actually reading shit that's online instead of saying, I'll

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_07]: try to do enough and then fail to do anything.

[01:07:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, here, I like what Bill Maher said.

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_08]: He said, Republicans create, wait, how is it?

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_08]: I want to word this.

[01:07:44] [SPEAKER_07]: They create obstacles.

[01:07:45] [SPEAKER_08]: No, they create, they create the polls.

[01:07:48] [SPEAKER_08]: Democrats follow the polls.

[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, Republicans will say, like, I really don't give a shit what you think about this.

[01:07:53] [SPEAKER_08]: This is what I'm going to do.

[01:07:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Democrats are like, oh, we have to make everybody happy.

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, they don't like this?

[01:07:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Let's do this instead.

[01:07:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, they don't like this now?

[01:07:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Let's make them happy.

[01:08:00] [SPEAKER_08]: So they try too hard to make everybody happy and they're not going to make everybody happy

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_08]: and then you just really, nobody says, everybody's like, why do I, what do I even like about

[01:08:08] [SPEAKER_08]: this person?

[01:08:08] [SPEAKER_08]: He's just doing everything he can to appeal to everybody.

[01:08:12] [SPEAKER_08]: You're not going to be able to appeal to everybody.

[01:08:13] [SPEAKER_08]: But I'll get the exact quote because it's a really good one.

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_07]: That's a good point because we are actually,

[01:08:20] [SPEAKER_07]: in that point where we're, long story short, we are deciding, I mean, Young Turks talks about

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_07]: it too.

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_07]: Don't surrender.

[01:08:29] [SPEAKER_07]: And there's a way to make everyone happy while calling out the people who weren't going

[01:08:35] [SPEAKER_07]: to like anything you did anyway.

[01:08:37] [SPEAKER_07]: And they've had comedian Maj Jabrani on a bunch of times and he's done really good at

[01:08:44] [SPEAKER_07]: talking about some of the more recent, you know, incidents.

[01:08:47] [SPEAKER_07]: And they also have talked about, you know, times where both Israel and Palestine have

[01:08:52] [SPEAKER_07]: been framed for the others attack.

[01:08:55] [SPEAKER_07]: That's good.

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_07]: That's something no one wants to talk about.

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_07]: It's like, oh, I got to go with the momentum.

[01:08:59] [SPEAKER_07]: And then we've seen celebs, you know, Susan Sarandon's been on the more a few times, but

[01:09:03] [SPEAKER_07]: not lately.

[01:09:04] [SPEAKER_07]: Everyone's like, oh, you know, she hates Jews.

[01:09:06] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, that's not what she said.

[01:09:08] [SPEAKER_07]: She said, I don't support, you know.

[01:09:11] [SPEAKER_08]: It just drives me crazy.

[01:09:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Somebody will...

[01:09:15] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't even bring up my take on the whole scenario because I know I'll be damned if I

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_07]: do, damned if I don't.

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_07]: I have to pick a side.

[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_07]: And it's like, this isn't like OJ versus the people.

[01:09:23] [SPEAKER_07]: This isn't like...

[01:09:24] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I was this way with Johnny Devin Ever Hurt.

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_07]: It was like, I didn't like either.

[01:09:27] [SPEAKER_07]: I hope both get their cases thrown out of court and have to file Chapter 11.

[01:09:32] [SPEAKER_07]: But most people are like, you got to pick a side.

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yeah.

[01:09:36] [SPEAKER_08]: You know, one's an abuser.

[01:09:37] [SPEAKER_08]: The other's an abuser.

[01:09:38] [SPEAKER_08]: It's all about picking sides of people.

[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_08]: It's like, you're either...

[01:09:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, I mean, perfect example is George Bush.

[01:09:43] [SPEAKER_08]: You're either forced or against us.

[01:09:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, no, that's not really...

[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_07]: That kind of logic has only grown.

[01:09:48] [SPEAKER_07]: It has only...

[01:09:49] [SPEAKER_07]: We've only gotten stupider just with various takes.

[01:09:52] [SPEAKER_07]: Like, if you bring up something saying, I don't care for it, that doesn't mean you

[01:09:57] [SPEAKER_07]: don't think it's completely abysmal and without merit.

[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_07]: It just means it didn't yank your chain.

[01:10:02] [SPEAKER_07]: It didn't do anything for you.

[01:10:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, exactly.

[01:10:04] [SPEAKER_08]: It's just that you can't say anything.

[01:10:08] [SPEAKER_08]: And actually, I love this because Bill Maher brought this up.

[01:10:11] [SPEAKER_08]: He said that the reason that all these young kids are so outraged and so offended by everything

[01:10:17] [SPEAKER_08]: is because they have the cushiest, most easy life.

[01:10:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Life's been better than it's ever been.

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_08]: And there's really nothing to rebel against.

[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_08]: So they have to find something to rebel against.

[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_08]: And that's where I think this whole woke movement started.

[01:10:28] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, he's a rebel.

[01:10:30] [SPEAKER_07]: So I don't even know why people get annoyed when they hear him say that.

[01:10:33] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, well, you're a rebel too, just like him.

[01:10:35] [SPEAKER_07]: He's just...

[01:10:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:10:37] [SPEAKER_08]: But I mean, when somebody gets offended by...

[01:10:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, he always says this to us.

[01:10:41] [SPEAKER_08]: You can't be more offended than the victim.

[01:10:44] [SPEAKER_08]: An example was there was this baseball player who was making fun of his teammate who was

[01:10:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Asian.

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_08]: He's going like this with his eyes.

[01:10:49] [SPEAKER_08]: And the Asian guy was laughing, though.

[01:10:52] [SPEAKER_08]: The Asian guy was laughing.

[01:10:52] [SPEAKER_08]: And everybody's like, oh my God.

[01:10:54] [SPEAKER_08]: And the guy said, and Dustin Bill Marson, you can't be more outraged than the victim.

[01:10:58] [SPEAKER_08]: The guy was his friend.

[01:11:00] [SPEAKER_08]: He thought it was funny.

[01:11:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Who cares?

[01:11:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Get over it.

[01:11:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Some of these people just have to make something out of everything.

[01:11:05] [SPEAKER_08]: And there was no case here.

[01:11:07] [SPEAKER_08]: He was just making fun of...

[01:11:08] [SPEAKER_08]: He was a friends forever baseball team.

[01:11:11] [SPEAKER_08]: And he was making a joke.

[01:11:12] [SPEAKER_08]: And then everybody's got to get offended.

[01:11:14] [SPEAKER_08]: That's just one example.

[01:11:17] [SPEAKER_07]: I think the only time he's gone maybe too far...

[01:11:20] [SPEAKER_07]: I know he was interviewing Russ Tamblyn, who's been molested by a few bad people in Hollywood.

[01:11:25] [SPEAKER_07]: And he didn't seem to be well-worded in the question.

[01:11:30] [SPEAKER_07]: But I think this is it.

[01:11:31] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I can give or take it.

[01:11:33] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, he is an older dude.

[01:11:35] [SPEAKER_07]: So I'm not going to say he's cut out for everything.

[01:11:38] [SPEAKER_07]: But that's the other thing, too.

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_07]: Like, I've seen people take stuff Jon Stewart said out of context.

[01:11:44] [SPEAKER_07]: And then other people try to even say, hey, you know, he's not any different than Joe Rogan.

[01:11:49] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, oh, yes, he is.

[01:11:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, my God.

[01:11:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, there's no comparison.

[01:11:53] [SPEAKER_08]: You know what?

[01:11:54] [SPEAKER_08]: And it's sad.

[01:11:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Because sometimes Joe Rogan, people that are on the show that I want to hear, I just don't want to listen to him.

[01:11:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Right?

[01:12:00] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't listen to him at all.

[01:12:01] [SPEAKER_08]: I just don't like him.

[01:12:02] [SPEAKER_07]: Dude, I used to see just other people just act like...

[01:12:09] [SPEAKER_07]: It's just, you know, it's so different.

[01:12:11] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like...

[01:12:13] [SPEAKER_07]: There's a big difference.

[01:12:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:12:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Yep.

[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_08]: No, definitely.

[01:12:17] [SPEAKER_08]: And I just...

[01:12:18] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't want to support the guy.

[01:12:19] [SPEAKER_08]: I just don't like his show.

[01:12:20] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't like him.

[01:12:21] [SPEAKER_08]: And I just don't...

[01:12:22] [SPEAKER_08]: And it's just...

[01:12:23] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know.

[01:12:23] [SPEAKER_08]: There's some...

[01:12:24] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, well, I told you some of the reasons why I don't like him.

[01:12:27] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, with the whole conspiracy theories and all that.

[01:12:29] [SPEAKER_08]: And I don't even really care what he believes.

[01:12:30] [SPEAKER_07]: They really are that dangerous at this point where it is now...

[01:12:34] [SPEAKER_07]: If anything, you're encouraging all the crazies.

[01:12:36] [SPEAKER_07]: You know?

[01:12:36] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[01:12:36] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, we are pretty much, you know...

[01:12:39] [SPEAKER_07]: Like, for instance, Howard Stern knew when to just cut off the feed if people were just

[01:12:43] [SPEAKER_07]: giving him really, really bad ideas.

[01:12:46] [SPEAKER_07]: But then there were other times where he's like, you know what?

[01:12:49] [SPEAKER_07]: I actually want to know.

[01:12:50] [SPEAKER_07]: Even though this is a really stupid question.

[01:12:51] [SPEAKER_07]: You know?

[01:12:51] [SPEAKER_07]: It's just...

[01:12:52] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[01:12:52] [SPEAKER_07]: That's funny.

[01:12:53] [SPEAKER_07]: That's a funny interaction.

[01:12:54] [SPEAKER_07]: But he knew when to just say, you know what?

[01:12:59] [SPEAKER_07]: We're all ready to march outside and not record an episode.

[01:13:02] [SPEAKER_07]: So let's just cut the feed.

[01:13:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:13:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:13:05] [SPEAKER_07]: Not taking any questions after in five minutes.

[01:13:09] [SPEAKER_08]: You know what's funny?

[01:13:10] [SPEAKER_08]: I forgot about this until you just brought this up.

[01:13:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Years ago, Bill Maher was on the Howard Stern show.

[01:13:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, I bet.

[01:13:16] [SPEAKER_08]: No, but he had a...

[01:13:16] [SPEAKER_08]: He's been on recently, believe it or not.

[01:13:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:13:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, you know, it's funny because they were not friends for the longest time.

[01:13:21] [SPEAKER_08]: And then...

[01:13:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:13:22] [SPEAKER_07]: They haven't talked shit about each other.

[01:13:24] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[01:13:24] [SPEAKER_08]: But years ago, he had a politically incorrect episode with the Wack Pack.

[01:13:29] [SPEAKER_08]: It was hilarious.

[01:13:31] [SPEAKER_07]: With Beetle Jason Company and Fred?

[01:13:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:13:35] [SPEAKER_08]: It was hilarious.

[01:13:36] [SPEAKER_08]: I forgot all about that until we just started talking about real time and how it started.

[01:13:40] [SPEAKER_08]: It was, I want to say, in the 90s sometime.

[01:13:42] [SPEAKER_08]: And it was like...

[01:13:42] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm trying to think of who was...

[01:13:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Crackhead Bob was definitely one of the people on there.

[01:13:47] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm trying to think.

[01:13:48] [SPEAKER_08]: I think Hank the Angry Drunken Dwarf was on there.

[01:13:50] [SPEAKER_08]: It was hilarious.

[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_07]: Nice.

[01:13:53] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:13:54] [SPEAKER_07]: That had to be crazy.

[01:13:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:13:57] [SPEAKER_08]: The one...

[01:13:57] [SPEAKER_08]: I got to say, one thing about The Daily Show, which got me mad at first, which I know

[01:14:01] [SPEAKER_08]: he's not like this anymore, but after 9-11 happened, Jon Stewart sort of took himself,

[01:14:05] [SPEAKER_08]: in my opinion, way too seriously.

[01:14:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, remember, it used to be the most important news show of all time.

[01:14:11] [SPEAKER_08]: And they took that off, which I know that probably wasn't him.

[01:14:13] [SPEAKER_08]: But then, like, he just...

[01:14:14] [SPEAKER_07]: He would often contradict himself a bit.

[01:14:16] [SPEAKER_07]: He says, you shouldn't be watching this for news.

[01:14:18] [SPEAKER_07]: But at the same time, he knew that people were watching this.

[01:14:20] [SPEAKER_07]: This is the only...

[01:14:21] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, people like my uncle were only watching this just because they were sick of the fear

[01:14:26] [SPEAKER_07]: monger on...

[01:14:27] [SPEAKER_07]: I think the main issue is mainstream news really got fucked up by that point.

[01:14:31] [SPEAKER_07]: It was a lot of fear mongering.

[01:14:33] [SPEAKER_07]: So it's kind of a lose-lose in that regard on...

[01:14:36] [SPEAKER_07]: You still got to actually make time to watch the actual news.

[01:14:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah, exactly.

[01:14:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, that's why I laugh at Mars headlines because I know exactly what he's talking about.

[01:14:44] [SPEAKER_08]: And I get the jokes.

[01:14:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Some people just like, what's he talking about?

[01:14:48] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, I didn't know that.

[01:14:49] [SPEAKER_08]: And then...

[01:14:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I'm just like you.

[01:14:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Where I work, we have this thing called the U.S. Newsstand.

[01:14:54] [SPEAKER_08]: It has all the papers in the U.S. and Canada, like McLean's.

[01:15:00] [SPEAKER_08]: So I'll read everything.

[01:15:02] [SPEAKER_08]: And I love doing this because I like reading the same story from different...

[01:15:05] [SPEAKER_08]: I want to see the difference of how they...

[01:15:08] [SPEAKER_08]: Their take on each story.

[01:15:09] [SPEAKER_08]: And it's hilarious.

[01:15:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:15:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, one is completely different on the same event.

[01:15:14] [SPEAKER_08]: It's like, wow.

[01:15:15] [SPEAKER_07]: I didn't watch as much of Craig Kilburn.

[01:15:17] [SPEAKER_07]: How did you feel how he carried himself?

[01:15:20] [SPEAKER_07]: I had only seen his late night show and I didn't feel like he was cut out for that.

[01:15:23] [SPEAKER_07]: But how did you like him when he was a Daily Show host prior to his off-color, behind-the-scenes remarks?

[01:15:28] [SPEAKER_08]: I liked him because his whole persona is smug, arrogant, but that's just the persona.

[01:15:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Maybe he's like that in real life.

[01:15:36] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know.

[01:15:37] [SPEAKER_08]: But I know...

[01:15:37] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, but it worked for the show and definitely from clips I have seen over the years.

[01:15:42] [SPEAKER_07]: And to be fair, when they've done flashbacks, they have gladly shown clips that he's been in.

[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_07]: So it's not like...

[01:15:48] [SPEAKER_07]: I think that's why I dug it.

[01:15:50] [SPEAKER_07]: Regardless of who the hell the host was, it was still kind of like SNL where they were going to show all eras.

[01:15:55] [SPEAKER_07]: It wasn't a, oh, this side, you know, this era never happened.

[01:15:59] [SPEAKER_07]: It was like, no.

[01:16:00] [SPEAKER_07]: It acknowledges it.

[01:16:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Perfect example is Jack Parr was the original host of the night show.

[01:16:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Or no, Steve Allen was the original host of the night show.

[01:16:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Then Jack Parr.

[01:16:07] [SPEAKER_08]: But everybody knows Johnny Carson.

[01:16:08] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, most people are going to just go, Carson, Carson.

[01:16:11] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[01:16:11] [SPEAKER_08]: No, there was two other hosts before that.

[01:16:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Jack Parr and then Steve Allen before that.

[01:16:15] [SPEAKER_07]: Not to mention all the other guys of that same era like Merv Griffin.

[01:16:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah.

[01:16:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Merv Griffin, Mike Douglas.

[01:16:21] [SPEAKER_08]: I used to watch.

[01:16:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, I'm 55 going on.

[01:16:23] [SPEAKER_08]: I'll be 56 years old.

[01:16:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Congrats, my dude.

[01:16:26] [SPEAKER_08]: I was young, but I watched a lot of those shows.

[01:16:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, I used to watch Merv Griffin.

[01:16:30] [SPEAKER_08]: I used to watch Phil Donnie.

[01:16:31] [SPEAKER_08]: I used to watch Mike Douglas.

[01:16:33] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, I was too.

[01:16:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Johnny Carson was high.

[01:16:36] [SPEAKER_07]: My parents are like five years older than you.

[01:16:38] [SPEAKER_07]: And they will.

[01:16:41] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know what it is, dude.

[01:16:43] [SPEAKER_07]: I feel like we are getting extra pickier.

[01:16:46] [SPEAKER_07]: Some for valid reasons and others for just like, yeah, but you've never watched this.

[01:16:51] [SPEAKER_07]: You've never given this a chance.

[01:16:52] [SPEAKER_07]: And it's so funny.

[01:16:54] [SPEAKER_07]: My father was kind of carefree on certain stuff.

[01:16:57] [SPEAKER_07]: But every once in a while, he might watch a funny.

[01:16:58] [SPEAKER_07]: I feel like by this time, like all these shows benefited from the viral surge.

[01:17:05] [SPEAKER_07]: Mm-hmm.

[01:17:06] [SPEAKER_07]: But that's kind of why they survived.

[01:17:08] [SPEAKER_07]: There was a way.

[01:17:09] [SPEAKER_07]: People, some video people would videotape and they found out the whole, hey, let me send

[01:17:14] [SPEAKER_07]: you a funny clip.

[01:17:14] [SPEAKER_07]: That'll get past your inbox at work.

[01:17:17] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[01:17:17] [SPEAKER_07]: Watch it at lunchtime.

[01:17:18] [SPEAKER_07]: And somehow that has, that tradition has continued.

[01:17:21] [SPEAKER_07]: But it's only gotten worse because people still want to prevent you from playing a video

[01:17:25] [SPEAKER_07]: in a public setting or there's still a few heated arguments that to be had.

[01:17:30] [SPEAKER_07]: And, but there's nothing better than just something like, I mean, I'd rather you show me a funny

[01:17:37] [SPEAKER_07]: clip on new SNL rather than I suffer through the whole 90 minutes.

[01:17:41] [SPEAKER_07]: Cause I want to watch just the skit that was good.

[01:17:44] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, it's kind of give it to me.

[01:17:46] [SPEAKER_07]: Like if you're doing an audition, give me your two minute demo reel.

[01:17:49] [SPEAKER_07]: Give me all your best bits.

[01:17:50] [SPEAKER_07]: Don't give me all five individual speeches.

[01:17:52] [SPEAKER_07]: I will, I'm just like the talent agent, not going to make time for that.

[01:17:55] [SPEAKER_07]: Just give me two minutes of amusement and I will.

[01:17:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh yeah.

[01:17:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I remember, I mean, perfect example is one of the most watched episodes in TV history

[01:18:02] [SPEAKER_08]: is the final episode of match.

[01:18:04] [SPEAKER_08]: And I remember coming home.

[01:18:05] [SPEAKER_08]: There you go.

[01:18:06] [SPEAKER_08]: You could only watch it when it was on.

[01:18:09] [SPEAKER_08]: There was no such thing as VCRs back then.

[01:18:11] [SPEAKER_08]: You couldn't record it.

[01:18:12] [SPEAKER_08]: You couldn't, there was no YouTube.

[01:18:14] [SPEAKER_08]: There was no streaming.

[01:18:14] [SPEAKER_08]: You couldn't watch it later.

[01:18:15] [SPEAKER_08]: If you didn't, if you didn't watch it that night when it was on, that's when just,

[01:18:18] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, when I felt it was the same in those 98,

[01:18:22] [SPEAKER_08]: I think it was, it was, there was a little bit more where you get VCRs.

[01:18:25] [SPEAKER_08]: You could watch it later.

[01:18:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Probably.

[01:18:27] [SPEAKER_07]: That was one of the funniest Howard Stern interviews I ever listened to back when he

[01:18:31] [SPEAKER_07]: was making kind of a comeback.

[01:18:33] [SPEAKER_07]: And I want to say 2014, 2015, he interviewed Bill Murray and it was a good interview and

[01:18:39] [SPEAKER_07]: everything, but what's so funny is Murray was like, yeah, yeah.

[01:18:42] [SPEAKER_07]: I heard that you were never a big on Seinfeld.

[01:18:45] [SPEAKER_07]: And he's like, well, what episode did you watch?

[01:18:46] [SPEAKER_07]: The finale?

[01:18:48] [SPEAKER_07]: No.

[01:18:50] [SPEAKER_07]: That's like with any show.

[01:18:52] [SPEAKER_07]: If you watch a lesser season, you're never going to give it a chance.

[01:18:55] [SPEAKER_08]: To me, Larry David is probably one of the funniest people.

[01:18:58] [SPEAKER_08]: I love his show.

[01:18:59] [SPEAKER_07]: Rest in peace, curb your enthusiasm.

[01:19:01] [SPEAKER_08]: That is my all time favorite show.

[01:19:03] [SPEAKER_08]: I just, because he can make fun of everything and he does and he does it in such a hilarious

[01:19:07] [SPEAKER_08]: way.

[01:19:07] [SPEAKER_07]: That was one of the few improvised shows that lasted.

[01:19:12] [SPEAKER_07]: Other than always Sonny, I can't think of any other show where they improvise most of what's

[01:19:16] [SPEAKER_08]: going on.

[01:19:17] [SPEAKER_08]: And I'm sure you know, next week is the final episode of the whole series.

[01:19:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, sorry.

[01:19:24] [SPEAKER_07]: I thought it already ended.

[01:19:25] [SPEAKER_07]: But yeah, we're in.

[01:19:26] [SPEAKER_08]: No, April 7th.

[01:19:27] [SPEAKER_08]: So 24 years, 12 seasons or 13 seasons.

[01:19:32] [SPEAKER_08]: But it's just, yeah.

[01:19:33] [SPEAKER_08]: And I just, I mean, there's so many episodes I can just go back and watch and just start

[01:19:38] [SPEAKER_08]: laughing like it's the first time I saw it.

[01:19:39] [SPEAKER_08]: It's just so funny.

[01:19:40] [SPEAKER_08]: And he just, and it would, I think it was good.

[01:19:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Another thing with HBO, because HBO does have sponsors for the most part.

[01:19:45] [SPEAKER_08]: And they could get away with it.

[01:19:47] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, if he was doing that on TV, there's no way he could, I mean, there's, he had this

[01:19:51] [SPEAKER_08]: whole episode where they're making fun of Michael J. Fox.

[01:19:53] [SPEAKER_08]: Michael J. Fox has such a great.

[01:19:58] [SPEAKER_07]: That he did.

[01:19:59] [SPEAKER_07]: That he did.

[01:20:02] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, and I mean, we mentioned it before.

[01:20:04] [SPEAKER_07]: We're sick of also just hearing about comedians talking about what is well, when they don't

[01:20:09] [SPEAKER_07]: even know the word half the time.

[01:20:10] [SPEAKER_07]: And cancel culture is like, well, yes, there's always going to be the whole, you know, don't

[01:20:16] [SPEAKER_07]: complain if you can't take a joke.

[01:20:17] [SPEAKER_07]: But then there is also just be clever, be witty.

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[01:21:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, no, I agree with that.

[01:21:49] [SPEAKER_08]: But here's what I think is funny.

[01:21:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Years ago, my all-time favorite comedian is George Carlin.

[01:21:53] [SPEAKER_08]: And years ago, he was very clean-cut.

[01:21:57] [SPEAKER_08]: He wore the tie, the suit, he'd do Kennedy impressions.

[01:22:00] [SPEAKER_08]: And he said he wanted to become, he said he really never felt like himself.

[01:22:03] [SPEAKER_08]: So he went to the college campuses, grew his hair long, became a hippie.

[01:22:07] [SPEAKER_08]: It was like during the Vietnam era.

[01:22:09] [SPEAKER_08]: And that's where he got a chance to be edgier.

[01:22:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Now it's the exact opposite, where people want to be edgy.

[01:22:14] [SPEAKER_08]: They can't go to colleges because colleges are banning them.

[01:22:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Bill Maher is the person that got banned from a college, and he was re-invited.

[01:22:20] [SPEAKER_08]: But it's just these other, even Seinfeld, who is not, he's probably one of the cleanest

[01:22:25] [SPEAKER_08]: comedians I've ever heard.

[01:22:27] [SPEAKER_08]: He says he refuses to go to colleges.

[01:22:30] [SPEAKER_07]: So now I've seen some people trying to act like he's a pedophile because he was dating

[01:22:35] [SPEAKER_07]: some underage people.

[01:22:36] [SPEAKER_07]: But see, this is it.

[01:22:37] [SPEAKER_07]: It wasn't serious.

[01:22:38] [SPEAKER_07]: They weren't actually, you know, sleeping together.

[01:22:40] [SPEAKER_07]: But the 80s and 90s, I mean, all those breakthroughs had to be done anyway.

[01:22:47] [SPEAKER_07]: But I'm seeing other people, I mean, I've seen, you can often tell when someone is even

[01:22:53] [SPEAKER_07]: just a casual viewer.

[01:22:54] [SPEAKER_07]: I would see people say, oh, friends, that's not a diverse cast.

[01:22:57] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, they dated plenty of minorities for more than a few seasons on that show.

[01:23:02] [SPEAKER_07]: And then I've seen other people say, oh, why does the rich guy or the gangbanger always

[01:23:06] [SPEAKER_07]: be the one who gets sent to jail in law and order?

[01:23:08] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, there are many different kinds of people who have plenty of mistrials who, and

[01:23:13] [SPEAKER_07]: there's plenty of people on those shows who don't even get their day in court.

[01:23:17] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, you know what's funny?

[01:23:18] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, the guy gets away and someone gets shot outside a courtroom.

[01:23:21] [SPEAKER_07]: So boom.

[01:23:22] [SPEAKER_07]: Are you all happy now?

[01:23:23] [SPEAKER_08]: No, it's funny you said that there was a Curb Your Enthusiasm episode that made fun of that.

[01:23:28] [SPEAKER_08]: A woman came up to him, this is in the show.

[01:23:31] [SPEAKER_08]: She goes, Mr. Larry David.

[01:23:33] [SPEAKER_08]: He goes, do I know it?

[01:23:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I tried out for Seinfeld.

[01:23:35] [SPEAKER_08]: You wouldn't have me.

[01:23:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Mr. Larry David hates black people.

[01:23:37] [SPEAKER_08]: No, no, no.

[01:23:38] [SPEAKER_08]: I love black people.

[01:23:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Mr. Larry David won't have any black people on Curb.

[01:23:42] [SPEAKER_08]: No, and Seinfeld.

[01:23:43] [SPEAKER_08]: No, no, I had plenty of black people.

[01:23:44] [SPEAKER_08]: No, you didn't, Larry.

[01:23:45] [SPEAKER_08]: It was funny.

[01:23:46] [SPEAKER_08]: It was him making fun of what people said about friends.

[01:23:49] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know that.

[01:23:51] [SPEAKER_08]: He did it in such a funny way.

[01:23:53] [SPEAKER_08]: He's like, I'm not a racist.

[01:23:54] [SPEAKER_07]: No, I love...

[01:23:55] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, and those are just as much giant-ass New York shows, too.

[01:23:59] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, can you imagine any other kind of New York-based TV in the late 90s?

[01:24:05] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean...

[01:24:06] [SPEAKER_08]: If I had to think about it, I can't think of any of them.

[01:24:08] [SPEAKER_08]: Those are obviously the two most popular.

[01:24:10] [SPEAKER_07]: But if anything, if there's anything that any comedy show does best, when they peel behind

[01:24:15] [SPEAKER_07]: the curtain and do stuff like that, it's like, see...

[01:24:17] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yeah.

[01:24:18] [SPEAKER_07]: Do you know...

[01:24:20] [SPEAKER_07]: Imagine how far they had to go just to, you know, get...

[01:24:25] [SPEAKER_07]: Show you all the nutty personas and people with suits that they've had to deal with.

[01:24:30] [SPEAKER_07]: You know?

[01:24:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah.

[01:24:31] [SPEAKER_08]: That's why...

[01:24:32] [SPEAKER_07]: Stupid fan mail, you know?

[01:24:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:24:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, it was funny, too, because on this show, he had a Seinfeld reunion.

[01:24:38] [SPEAKER_08]: It was like...

[01:24:39] [SPEAKER_07]: Did you see that?

[01:24:40] [SPEAKER_07]: I did see that episode.

[01:24:41] [SPEAKER_07]: That's a while back.

[01:24:42] [SPEAKER_07]: That was like in 07, I think?

[01:24:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Maybe.

[01:24:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Probably.

[01:24:45] [SPEAKER_08]: But the reason I'm bringing this up was like...

[01:24:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Which is why I like how he makes fun of everything, because there was...

[01:24:50] [SPEAKER_08]: You know the character Leon?

[01:24:53] [SPEAKER_07]: Yes.

[01:24:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Leon's a...

[01:24:55] [SPEAKER_08]: He's a...

[01:24:56] [SPEAKER_08]: So, Leon is pretending to be somebody...

[01:25:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Because Michael Richards is where he's having a disease.

[01:25:02] [SPEAKER_08]: He has a gross disease.

[01:25:04] [SPEAKER_08]: He goes, can you just pretend you're this guy?

[01:25:06] [SPEAKER_08]: It's the real guy died.

[01:25:06] [SPEAKER_08]: And this is in the show.

[01:25:08] [SPEAKER_08]: So then...

[01:25:08] [SPEAKER_07]: It's smooth, man.

[01:25:09] [SPEAKER_08]: So then...

[01:25:10] [SPEAKER_08]: But afterwards, Michael Richards finds out who it is.

[01:25:13] [SPEAKER_08]: He goes...

[01:25:13] [SPEAKER_08]: He starts screaming at him.

[01:25:14] [SPEAKER_08]: He goes, if there was only a word I could use...

[01:25:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Because you know what happened with Michael Richards when he went crazy at a comedy club

[01:25:19] [SPEAKER_08]: and used in the end.

[01:25:20] [SPEAKER_08]: And then everybody's filming him with their phone.

[01:25:23] [SPEAKER_08]: He's like, no, not again.

[01:25:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Come on.

[01:25:25] [SPEAKER_08]: It's hilarious.

[01:25:27] [SPEAKER_08]: And he just had a...

[01:25:28] [SPEAKER_08]: Who's the woman from Full House?

[01:25:29] [SPEAKER_08]: The one that got arrested for...

[01:25:31] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, Lori Houghlin.

[01:25:33] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[01:25:33] [SPEAKER_08]: She was on the show recently and every...

[01:25:35] [SPEAKER_08]: They were...

[01:25:36] [SPEAKER_08]: In the show, he got her back into the golf course, the golf club.

[01:25:40] [SPEAKER_08]: And so...

[01:25:41] [SPEAKER_08]: And he goes, wow, we can't do this.

[01:25:42] [SPEAKER_08]: And she goes, of course we can.

[01:25:43] [SPEAKER_08]: I got some money.

[01:25:44] [SPEAKER_08]: And then she's like paying off the guys.

[01:25:46] [SPEAKER_08]: And he goes, well, we...

[01:25:47] [SPEAKER_08]: What about this?

[01:25:48] [SPEAKER_08]: Don't worry.

[01:25:48] [SPEAKER_08]: I got the handicaps there.

[01:25:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Can we park here?

[01:25:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Throughout the whole episode, she's just making fun of herself being entitled and

[01:25:54] [SPEAKER_08]: giving her money to get things.

[01:25:56] [SPEAKER_08]: So I like how he can do that.

[01:25:58] [SPEAKER_08]: He can take the real life incidents and get the people to be humorous about themselves

[01:26:02] [SPEAKER_08]: and make fun of themselves.

[01:26:07] [SPEAKER_08]: And like I said, the whole...

[01:26:08] [SPEAKER_08]: Because with Michael J. Fox episode, he was telling them to be quiet.

[01:26:13] [SPEAKER_08]: And after...

[01:26:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Because his girlfriend was playing piano and they were in a restaurant.

[01:26:17] [SPEAKER_08]: When he was leaving, he was like, all right, see you later, Mike.

[01:26:19] [SPEAKER_08]: And he goes like this.

[01:26:20] [SPEAKER_08]: He goes, was that an angry shake or a Parkinson's shake?

[01:26:23] [SPEAKER_08]: So he didn't know.

[01:26:23] [SPEAKER_08]: So then he goes to apologize.

[01:26:24] [SPEAKER_08]: He does something else.

[01:26:25] [SPEAKER_08]: He gets mad at him.

[01:26:26] [SPEAKER_08]: So you want a soda?

[01:26:28] [SPEAKER_08]: He's going like this.

[01:26:29] [SPEAKER_08]: So it was all of them.

[01:26:30] [SPEAKER_08]: He goes, Parkinson's, the whole episode is just...

[01:26:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Because you're pissed off me.

[01:26:35] [SPEAKER_08]: He goes, no, it's Parkinson's.

[01:26:36] [SPEAKER_08]: No, you're pissed.

[01:26:41] [SPEAKER_07]: It's just...

[01:26:41] [SPEAKER_08]: I like comedians.

[01:26:43] [SPEAKER_07]: The fact that it was like half the time they were playing a fictional version of themselves

[01:26:47] [SPEAKER_07]: and other times is like they're using half their name, you know?

[01:26:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:26:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, that's what's funny because they're exaggerating things that really happened to them.

[01:26:55] [SPEAKER_08]: But making fun of the fact that it did it.

[01:26:58] [SPEAKER_08]: It's just like...

[01:26:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Those are just three examples I could think of off the bat.

[01:27:02] [SPEAKER_08]: But he's done 24 years of shows and there's so many.

[01:27:06] [SPEAKER_08]: And for anybody who hasn't watched it, check it out.

[01:27:08] [SPEAKER_08]: Start from the beginning because they're all good.

[01:27:11] [SPEAKER_08]: Totally.

[01:27:12] [SPEAKER_08]: I like comedians that push the...

[01:27:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Not pushing the boundaries because they're trying to get a reaction.

[01:27:18] [SPEAKER_08]: I like comedians that are genuine.

[01:27:21] [SPEAKER_08]: That's why I like Bill Maher.

[01:27:22] [SPEAKER_08]: That's why I like Larry David.

[01:27:23] [SPEAKER_08]: That's why I like Jon Stewart.

[01:27:24] [SPEAKER_08]: That's why I like some of these other...

[01:27:26] [SPEAKER_08]: And Young Turks, I know they're not really comedians, but they're out there.

[01:27:29] [SPEAKER_07]: They have some comedians on.

[01:27:30] [SPEAKER_07]: But yeah.

[01:27:31] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I think most people around my age, especially in 2009, we were all just fed up

[01:27:38] [SPEAKER_07]: of all the warmongering, fear mongering.

[01:27:41] [SPEAKER_07]: And it just gave us hope that, hey, there might be a way to get out of Iraq.

[01:27:47] [SPEAKER_07]: There might be a way for people to actually pronounce each other's names and not piss each

[01:27:52] [SPEAKER_07]: other off.

[01:27:53] [SPEAKER_07]: And it was just those zingers.

[01:27:56] [SPEAKER_07]: And it was just in a time when memes and GIF files were about to become a thing, let

[01:28:01] [SPEAKER_07]: alone amusing emails.

[01:28:02] [SPEAKER_07]: So, I mean, again, all these shows have their purpose, regardless of who's kept up with

[01:28:07] [SPEAKER_07]: them or not.

[01:28:07] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, they'll be around until literally an EMP destroys all the cable.

[01:28:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I was feeling good about everything.

[01:28:18] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, until my Killjoy doomsday scenario.

[01:28:20] [SPEAKER_07]: But I mean, they're going to be around forever.

[01:28:23] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, until they get sick of the world and say, fuck yeah, I don't want to do this anymore.

[01:28:28] [SPEAKER_07]: You know?

[01:28:29] [SPEAKER_08]: No, I'm glad that things are recorded now.

[01:28:32] [SPEAKER_07]: And I mean, you mentioned Curve.

[01:28:34] [SPEAKER_07]: That's a show not everyone would keep up with.

[01:28:36] [SPEAKER_07]: And it's just like, well, that's just it.

[01:28:37] [SPEAKER_07]: Like they do the next season when they feel like it.

[01:28:40] [SPEAKER_07]: Can you think of any other show that does that?

[01:28:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, the rest of the cast got mad because they said every time Larry's like, oh, we're

[01:28:47] [SPEAKER_08]: not going to do a new show.

[01:28:48] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't have any ideas.

[01:28:48] [SPEAKER_08]: They get hired from a new TV series.

[01:28:51] [SPEAKER_08]: And we're doing another.

[01:28:53] [SPEAKER_08]: He's like, oh, come on.

[01:28:54] [SPEAKER_07]: Like I gave him more material of anything.

[01:28:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:28:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, this season's really good.

[01:28:59] [SPEAKER_08]: It's all about wait.

[01:29:01] [SPEAKER_07]: I will catch up.

[01:29:02] [SPEAKER_08]: This season.

[01:29:03] [SPEAKER_08]: I'll give you a snapshot of what it's about.

[01:29:06] [SPEAKER_08]: He in the last season, they did a show called Young Larry.

[01:29:10] [SPEAKER_08]: And it was became a big hit.

[01:29:12] [SPEAKER_08]: So this season, he goes to Georgia.

[01:29:14] [SPEAKER_08]: And I don't know if you remember Auntie Ray, who was Leon there.

[01:29:17] [SPEAKER_08]: He saved the family from what was that?

[01:29:19] [SPEAKER_08]: That big hurricane.

[01:29:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, my God.

[01:29:23] [SPEAKER_08]: It was like a.

[01:29:25] [SPEAKER_08]: I can't remember.

[01:29:26] [SPEAKER_08]: But anyway, in the show, he saves the family and they live with him.

[01:29:29] [SPEAKER_08]: So he goes to visit her to see how she's doing.

[01:29:32] [SPEAKER_08]: And it's really hot in her voting.

[01:29:34] [SPEAKER_08]: So he goes, oh, let me get you a water.

[01:29:35] [SPEAKER_08]: He gets arrested for giving somebody.

[01:29:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Because in Georgia, it's illegal to give somebody any kind of food or water.

[01:29:40] [SPEAKER_08]: But then he becomes a hero.

[01:29:41] [SPEAKER_08]: So Bruce Springsteen wants to meet him.

[01:29:43] [SPEAKER_08]: So he's on the show.

[01:29:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Conan O'Brien.

[01:29:46] [SPEAKER_08]: It's a great premise.

[01:29:48] [SPEAKER_08]: And he just makes.

[01:29:50] [SPEAKER_08]: It's so relevant to what's going on in the world today right now.

[01:29:53] [SPEAKER_08]: And it's hilarious.

[01:29:55] [SPEAKER_08]: So I highly recommend you watch that season.

[01:29:58] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, they were so up to date.

[01:30:00] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, talking about Hurricane Katrina and post.

[01:30:03] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that's it.

[01:30:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Katrina.

[01:30:04] [SPEAKER_08]: That's what I'm talking about.

[01:30:04] [SPEAKER_08]: That's the one in the show.

[01:30:05] [SPEAKER_08]: He saves him from Katrina.

[01:30:08] [SPEAKER_08]: And that's where they call it.

[01:30:10] [SPEAKER_08]: The family is the black family.

[01:30:11] [SPEAKER_08]: And they're black.

[01:30:12] [SPEAKER_08]: And there's a whole big misunderstanding with that, too.

[01:30:16] [SPEAKER_08]: It's hilarious.

[01:30:20] [SPEAKER_07]: Perfect.

[01:30:21] [SPEAKER_08]: You know what's funny about that?

[01:30:23] [SPEAKER_08]: The guy who plays Leon, his name is J.B. Smoove.

[01:30:25] [SPEAKER_08]: I used to do stand-up comedy.

[01:30:27] [SPEAKER_08]: I did a lot of shows with his brother.

[01:30:30] [SPEAKER_08]: His brother.

[01:30:31] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[01:30:31] [SPEAKER_07]: I know he had a brother.

[01:30:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, his brother's not really.

[01:30:34] [SPEAKER_08]: He's not funny and he's not really that popular.

[01:30:36] [SPEAKER_08]: But he made sure he knew everybody knew.

[01:30:38] [SPEAKER_08]: So when I hired him, I used to do my own comedy shows.

[01:30:41] [SPEAKER_08]: And I'd put, he goes, make sure you tell everybody I'm Leon's brother.

[01:30:44] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm like, don't you want to make it on your own?

[01:30:46] [SPEAKER_08]: But he just loves riding his brother's coattails.

[01:30:48] [SPEAKER_08]: But.

[01:30:53] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, I'll level with you halfway.

[01:30:55] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, Larry Saunders still holds up.

[01:30:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, my God.

[01:30:58] [SPEAKER_08]: I love that show.

[01:30:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:30:59] [SPEAKER_08]: That's, that's.

[01:31:00] [SPEAKER_08]: And you know, the story about that is that they wanted to offer Gary Shanley a real talk show.

[01:31:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[01:31:04] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't want it.

[01:31:04] [SPEAKER_08]: So yeah.

[01:31:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Talk show about it.

[01:31:07] [SPEAKER_08]: He was wise.

[01:31:07] [SPEAKER_07]: Because he would have had to play by the rules and he didn't want to, you know, every comedian hates having to be accused of you sold out.

[01:31:14] [SPEAKER_07]: You know?

[01:31:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, you know, it's funny.

[01:31:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, Jeffrey Tambor is always hilarious.

[01:31:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Hey, now.

[01:31:19] [SPEAKER_07]: But.

[01:31:20] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[01:31:21] [SPEAKER_07]: And he's a perfect example of a comedian.

[01:31:23] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, the character he's playing, not, not his off screen persona, but like a guy who has the same persona on and off.

[01:31:32] [SPEAKER_07]: And yeah, really.

[01:31:33] [SPEAKER_07]: And it just shows you how they all drive each other crazy.

[01:31:36] [SPEAKER_07]: And you're like, go to the receptionist.

[01:31:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, it's funny.

[01:31:40] [SPEAKER_08]: I got you.

[01:31:40] [SPEAKER_08]: I, when I was in New York, I saw Glenn Gary, Glenn Ross, the play.

[01:31:43] [SPEAKER_08]: And I got you.

[01:31:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Jeffrey Tambor played in that.

[01:31:45] [SPEAKER_08]: He, I got a chance.

[01:31:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh.

[01:31:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:31:47] [SPEAKER_08]: He was really good.

[01:31:48] [SPEAKER_08]: It was him, Alan Alda.

[01:31:50] [SPEAKER_08]: And I can't remember who else.

[01:31:51] [SPEAKER_08]: But Jesus.

[01:31:52] [SPEAKER_07]: It sounds like the few good men stage play where you're like, I would like to see that version versus what we saw in the movie.

[01:31:59] [SPEAKER_07]: Not against the movie.

[01:32:01] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know if you can see this, but who's the guy who played his producer?

[01:32:05] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh my word.

[01:32:06] [SPEAKER_07]: Is that.

[01:32:07] [SPEAKER_08]: What's his, what's his name?

[01:32:10] [SPEAKER_08]: My mind went blank.

[01:32:11] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, oh.

[01:32:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Rip Torn.

[01:32:13] [SPEAKER_08]: That's Rip Torn.

[01:32:14] [SPEAKER_08]: This guy was a complete, you mentioned name before, douchebag.

[01:32:18] [SPEAKER_08]: He was a douchebag.

[01:32:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:32:19] [SPEAKER_08]: I was taking a picture and he goes, oh, like I went, I went like that.

[01:32:23] [SPEAKER_08]: He was doing something.

[01:32:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:32:25] [SPEAKER_08]: He goes, don't, don't do that.

[01:32:27] [SPEAKER_08]: And I said, he goes, I knew Sir Lawrence Libby.

[01:32:31] [SPEAKER_08]: And you, I said, whoa, calm down.

[01:32:34] [SPEAKER_08]: And Lawrence Libby would never even do that.

[01:32:35] [SPEAKER_08]: I said, what are you talking about?

[01:32:36] [SPEAKER_08]: I was doing was like, say he was going like this.

[01:32:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, I know it was.

[01:32:38] [SPEAKER_08]: The thumbs up.

[01:32:39] [SPEAKER_08]: He was doing something.

[01:32:40] [SPEAKER_08]: So I said, wow.

[01:32:41] [SPEAKER_08]: And he goes, don't you do that.

[01:32:43] [SPEAKER_08]: So then the woman came up to me.

[01:32:44] [SPEAKER_08]: She goes, I'm sorry.

[01:32:45] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm sorry.

[01:32:46] [SPEAKER_08]: He had a fight with his son earlier.

[01:32:47] [SPEAKER_08]: I apologize.

[01:32:48] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm like, this guy's an asshole.

[01:32:49] [SPEAKER_08]: I was just.

[01:32:49] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[01:32:50] [SPEAKER_07]: I've, I've heard those stories, how he had like some dementia, I think.

[01:32:55] [SPEAKER_08]: And yes.

[01:32:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, he, he, he, I live in Connecticut.

[01:32:58] [SPEAKER_08]: He broke into a Greenwich Connecticut bank.

[01:33:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Like he was.

[01:33:01] [SPEAKER_07]: I heard about that.

[01:33:02] [SPEAKER_07]: That was like, oh, seven or some shit.

[01:33:05] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[01:33:05] [SPEAKER_07]: It was just one of those.

[01:33:06] [SPEAKER_07]: You're like, whoa.

[01:33:11] [SPEAKER_07]: Actors, you are not human sometimes.

[01:33:13] [SPEAKER_08]: I go, I go to a lot of them.

[01:33:14] [SPEAKER_08]: I think you probably see.

[01:33:15] [SPEAKER_08]: You and I are friends on Facebook, right?

[01:33:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Probably.

[01:33:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Yep.

[01:33:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[01:33:19] [SPEAKER_08]: No, the reason I'm asking, because I know that you send me stuff and everything, but like

[01:33:24] [SPEAKER_08]: I go to chiller convention every April and every October.

[01:33:26] [SPEAKER_08]: So I meet a lot of these people and I met so many great people, but he has to be him and

[01:33:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Tatum O'Neal were the two biggest, two biggest pieces of shit I ever met.

[01:33:36] [SPEAKER_08]: She was just as bad.

[01:33:37] [SPEAKER_08]: People were taking a picture.

[01:33:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Don't you fucking take a picture.

[01:33:40] [SPEAKER_08]: I need you.

[01:33:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:33:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Then I put my arm around her.

[01:33:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Get your fucking hand off me.

[01:33:44] [SPEAKER_08]: I was like, whoa, calm down.

[01:33:47] [SPEAKER_07]: I've been there, done that.

[01:33:48] [SPEAKER_07]: I told you about Tom Savini.

[01:33:49] [SPEAKER_07]: I've.

[01:33:49] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[01:33:50] [SPEAKER_07]: You've heard stories.

[01:33:51] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm sure.

[01:33:51] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, you told me about Hamilton and that reminded me of just other people who should

[01:33:56] [SPEAKER_07]: just be at a panel for like two hours and then leave instead of.

[01:34:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, I hate that.

[01:34:02] [SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[01:34:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I go on a Sunday and everybody's gone halfway.

[01:34:06] [SPEAKER_08]: It's like, no, they should be forced to stay there the whole day because Saturdays are

[01:34:09] [SPEAKER_08]: so crowded.

[01:34:10] [SPEAKER_08]: It's not worth going.

[01:34:10] [SPEAKER_07]: And then they just shouldn't do it if they're not patient.

[01:34:13] [SPEAKER_07]: But I mean, if you're going to be greeted by fanboys, you know, a little kindness costs

[01:34:19] [SPEAKER_07]: you nothing.

[01:34:20] [SPEAKER_07]: But like, I would be honored.

[01:34:21] [SPEAKER_07]: I'd be like, sure.

[01:34:22] [SPEAKER_07]: I'll sit here on my ass and I'll hang out with you.

[01:34:25] [SPEAKER_07]: And then by six, I'm gone.

[01:34:27] [SPEAKER_07]: You know?

[01:34:28] [SPEAKER_08]: No, exactly.

[01:34:28] [SPEAKER_08]: That's what got me mad.

[01:34:29] [SPEAKER_08]: It's like, you can't.

[01:34:30] [SPEAKER_08]: They should be forced to stay there the whole day because the people I know.

[01:34:34] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, luckily, I live while I live in.

[01:34:36] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, don't do a Shatner where you reserve it and then you're only there, you know, after

[01:34:41] [SPEAKER_07]: booking it for the whole day.

[01:34:42] [SPEAKER_07]: So, I mean, like you say, misinformation.

[01:34:45] [SPEAKER_07]: You're like, you know, the VIP lines are the worst because you don't even get to interact

[01:34:49] [SPEAKER_07]: with the guy.

[01:34:50] [SPEAKER_08]: And I never do VIP.

[01:34:51] [SPEAKER_07]: People are always usher.

[01:34:52] [SPEAKER_07]: But that's what sucks.

[01:34:53] [SPEAKER_07]: Some of those guys, they only do VIP.

[01:34:55] [SPEAKER_07]: They want the guys going in and out.

[01:34:56] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, I legit.

[01:34:59] [SPEAKER_07]: I want to stroke the guy's ego and let them know you did a great job.

[01:35:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Whatever.

[01:35:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Nope.

[01:35:04] [SPEAKER_08]: I agree with you.

[01:35:06] [SPEAKER_08]: And luckily, for a lot of people I like to meet, they're usually pretty cool for the most

[01:35:11] [SPEAKER_08]: part.

[01:35:11] [SPEAKER_08]: And a lot of them will talk to you for a long time.

[01:35:14] [SPEAKER_07]: If they are bad, it's probably because their agent has just really pissed them off.

[01:35:18] [SPEAKER_07]: But I don't know.

[01:35:19] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't like being a part of melodrama.

[01:35:20] [SPEAKER_07]: It's just, there's only enough of that as it is.

[01:35:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:35:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Luckily, I mean, a lot of the bigger stars.

[01:35:27] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, it's funny that you've mentioned it because William Shatner is going to be there

[01:35:30] [SPEAKER_08]: this year.

[01:35:31] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm not going to meet him just because he's only there on Saturday.

[01:35:34] [SPEAKER_08]: And I've been there on Saturdays and it's just a horrible experience.

[01:35:36] [SPEAKER_08]: You can't move.

[01:35:37] [SPEAKER_08]: It takes forever to get there because on Sunday, not a lot of people have booked it.

[01:35:42] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[01:35:42] [SPEAKER_08]: So that's why.

[01:35:43] [SPEAKER_08]: So he's only going to be there on Saturday.

[01:35:45] [SPEAKER_07]: But yeah, I'm with you.

[01:35:47] [SPEAKER_07]: Saturdays, I've stopped doing Texas Frightmare too, just because, you know, pre COVID,

[01:35:53] [SPEAKER_07]: it just seemed like there would always be a surprise guest.

[01:35:55] [SPEAKER_07]: I was like, I didn't see anywhere.

[01:35:58] [SPEAKER_07]: Ron Perlman on here.

[01:36:00] [SPEAKER_07]: Is this a surprise guest?

[01:36:01] Yeah.

[01:36:02] [SPEAKER_07]: Did you actually meet him, Ron Perlman?

[01:36:04] [SPEAKER_07]: I didn't.

[01:36:05] [SPEAKER_07]: But I saw the other Sons of Anarchy guys were there and he was in a private room giving

[01:36:09] [SPEAKER_07]: a talk, taking questions from an audience.

[01:36:12] [SPEAKER_07]: And for whatever reason, they weren't as strict on that one.

[01:36:16] [SPEAKER_07]: It's just sometimes if you're just, have you ever gone to a panel and it's like, you've

[01:36:21] [SPEAKER_07]: been here so long enough, but it's kind of like when you're in a store and you're like,

[01:36:24] [SPEAKER_07]: you know, I just want to sit, shift through here and not even spend much money just because

[01:36:28] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm just not liking what I see.

[01:36:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:36:31] [SPEAKER_08]: No, as I'm talking, I want to show you something.

[01:36:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Let's see if I can play it.

[01:36:34] [SPEAKER_08]: I met a lot of this guy has such a great sense of humor.

[01:36:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Let's see if I could play it.

[01:36:39] [SPEAKER_09]: This is, come on.

[01:36:43] [SPEAKER_09]: Wait, one second.

[01:36:43] [SPEAKER_09]: All right, Sons of Anarchy.

[01:36:45] [SPEAKER_09]: All right, Sons of Anarchy.

[01:36:50] [SPEAKER_09]: All right, all right.

[01:36:51] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm going to all right, Sons of Anarchy.

[01:36:53] [SPEAKER_09]: Wait, one second.

[01:36:54] [SPEAKER_08]: We'll get there.

[01:36:55] [SPEAKER_08]: We'll get there.

[01:36:57] [SPEAKER_08]: This is, all right.

[01:36:58] [SPEAKER_08]: So to give you an idea, I have cerebral palsy.

[01:37:01] [SPEAKER_08]: So I just said, the guy from Sons of Anarchy, he's a great sense of humor.

[01:37:04] [SPEAKER_08]: I said, just be as mean as you can be because you see like after he goes, oh man, I'm going

[01:37:09] [SPEAKER_08]: to crumb across like an asshole.

[01:37:10] [SPEAKER_08]: But he's just joking.

[01:37:11] [SPEAKER_08]: But you got to listen, because I usually have people do bumpers for my show.

[01:37:25] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm in take.

[01:37:35] [SPEAKER_08]: That's like, that's, I don't know if you recognize it.

[01:37:37] [SPEAKER_08]: It's hard to see if there was the glare, but that was one of the guys from Sons of Anarchy.

[01:37:41] [SPEAKER_08]: It's actually this guy right here.

[01:37:42] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know if you recognize him.

[01:37:44] [SPEAKER_07]: Hold up.

[01:37:44] [SPEAKER_07]: Let me see.

[01:37:45] [SPEAKER_07]: It's, it's.

[01:37:46] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, Kenneth Johnson, right?

[01:37:47] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[01:37:48] [SPEAKER_07]: So he was on the shield and SWAT.

[01:37:51] [SPEAKER_07]: Yep.

[01:37:51] [SPEAKER_07]: And then a fun fact, those are all in the same universe.

[01:37:54] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, really?

[01:37:55] [SPEAKER_07]: And then remember, there's the one niners gang.

[01:37:58] [SPEAKER_08]: See, it's hard to tell the glare, but you, I got a chance to see you on the right.

[01:38:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:38:05] [SPEAKER_08]: There was a, they had like a, I mean, some of the minor, more minor players, not like

[01:38:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Nat and Jackson and all that, not Ron Perlman, but they had some smaller people there and

[01:38:13] [SPEAKER_08]: they were really cool.

[01:38:14] [SPEAKER_08]: They were fun.

[01:38:14] [SPEAKER_07]: That's fun.

[01:38:15] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm surprised Harold Perenow or Jimmy Smiths haven't been at some of those.

[01:38:19] [SPEAKER_07]: It seems like they're kind of that type to do, you know, they're cool with any kind

[01:38:26] [SPEAKER_07]: of project.

[01:38:27] [SPEAKER_07]: Just show them the bill and show them what it's about and just be cool about it.

[01:38:32] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[01:38:33] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, you said you went to a taping of one of these shows, I think.

[01:38:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, I went to, yeah.

[01:38:39] [SPEAKER_08]: I went to a taping on a daily show.

[01:38:40] [SPEAKER_08]: I've been to a taping of late, late show.

[01:38:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Dave Letterman.

[01:38:43] [SPEAKER_08]: I've been to a taping of Conan O'Brien when he first started, but daily show.

[01:38:46] [SPEAKER_07]: Around 2014, 2015.

[01:38:50] [SPEAKER_07]: I know for sure.

[01:38:51] [SPEAKER_07]: One of my cousins in California definitely went to a Jon Stewart taping and she was just

[01:38:56] [SPEAKER_07]: guffawing at it.

[01:38:57] [SPEAKER_07]: This was one of those, you know, you can't interact, but it was just very interactive.

[01:39:02] [SPEAKER_07]: Just getting to see the skits just live in person.

[01:39:04] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, it's just like stand up.

[01:39:05] [SPEAKER_07]: It's just like, it's just even more surreal.

[01:39:08] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:39:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, you know what?

[01:39:10] [SPEAKER_08]: One of the funnest shows I ever went to.

[01:39:11] [SPEAKER_08]: And you're going to laugh at this.

[01:39:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Years ago, I went to a taping of a Geraldo Rivera show.

[01:39:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Remember we used to have this talk show?

[01:39:18] [SPEAKER_08]: No, but the show was Mothers Asleep With Their Daughters' Fiances.

[01:39:24] [SPEAKER_08]: And all you can see is me laughing my ass off.

[01:39:27] [SPEAKER_08]: People are like, I see you on TV.

[01:39:28] [SPEAKER_08]: You just laugh.

[01:39:29] [SPEAKER_07]: And it's just.

[01:39:30] [SPEAKER_07]: It's just like Jerry Springer.

[01:39:31] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, dude, I was on an episode of Cheaters for God's sake.

[01:39:34] [SPEAKER_07]: So I get it.

[01:39:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[01:39:35] [SPEAKER_08]: I never heard about this one.

[01:39:36] [SPEAKER_08]: What happened there?

[01:39:38] [SPEAKER_07]: It was hysterical in 2018.

[01:39:39] [SPEAKER_07]: I got to play like a stalker who thought he was an actor and was still in the way a black

[01:39:45] [SPEAKER_07]: chick from this other guy who was being cheated on.

[01:39:47] [SPEAKER_07]: And I just, you know, it is just as outrageous as what you see.

[01:39:52] [SPEAKER_08]: How did you get on that show?

[01:39:53] [SPEAKER_07]: So long story short, my friend who was playing the guy getting cheated on and if he does some

[01:39:59] [SPEAKER_07]: casual background acting, you know, you just they disguise it, you know, saying looking for

[01:40:04] [SPEAKER_07]: a legit, you know, dating show or something.

[01:40:06] [SPEAKER_07]: They disguise the shit out of it.

[01:40:08] [SPEAKER_07]: And Alex, the producer, was a hoot because he's like, people actually think this shit

[01:40:13] [SPEAKER_07]: is real.

[01:40:13] [SPEAKER_08]: I thought it was.

[01:40:14] [SPEAKER_08]: So all those that was all acting.

[01:40:16] [SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[01:40:17] [SPEAKER_07]: If anything, they would use a similar story and everything.

[01:40:20] [SPEAKER_07]: But they had.

[01:40:20] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, I mean, I'm not surprised.

[01:40:22] [SPEAKER_07]: I got to say that because I'm just like pond stars and all the other stuff is like, they'll

[01:40:26] [SPEAKER_07]: use a version of your name, but they'll change your surname.

[01:40:28] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, it and it was just.

[01:40:31] [SPEAKER_07]: It got to where it's like sometimes they would get desperate from some crazy ghetto people.

[01:40:35] [SPEAKER_07]: So they started getting pickier about who, you know, they hired to come on.

[01:40:39] [SPEAKER_07]: And that's funny.

[01:40:41] [SPEAKER_07]: He you know, he's whispering in your ear, do more of this, do more of that, more insults.

[01:40:44] [SPEAKER_07]: And it's a shame that the Clark Gable, the third who, yeah, is the grandson of the famous

[01:40:49] [SPEAKER_07]: screen legend was like overdosed on drugs.

[01:40:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:40:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Now, were you on there with the first host or second host?

[01:40:59] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[01:40:59] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[01:40:59] [SPEAKER_07]: Clark Gable, the third would be the second host.

[01:41:02] [SPEAKER_08]: I didn't realize that was him.

[01:41:04] [SPEAKER_08]: I knew that.

[01:41:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:41:05] [SPEAKER_08]: That's funny.

[01:41:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Now, who is I know who Clark Gable is, but who is he?

[01:41:08] [SPEAKER_08]: The grand great grandson and grandson of Clark Gable?

[01:41:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:41:12] [SPEAKER_08]: He's a grandson, right?

[01:41:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Yep.

[01:41:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[01:41:15] [SPEAKER_08]: That's funny.

[01:41:16] [SPEAKER_08]: And no, but you know, I, I mean, I, cause I'll give you an example.

[01:41:19] [SPEAKER_08]: There's a, I think it's called antique roadshow.

[01:41:22] [SPEAKER_08]: I was, I see.

[01:41:23] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh my God.

[01:41:23] [SPEAKER_08]: And I went to a place and they were two in the morning without Phil.

[01:41:27] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:41:27] [SPEAKER_08]: We were talking about reality shows.

[01:41:28] [SPEAKER_08]: And this guy said that he was asked to be on the show and they said, well, we're going

[01:41:32] [SPEAKER_08]: to give you everything.

[01:41:33] [SPEAKER_08]: And then when the people come in, just pretend it's yours.

[01:41:34] [SPEAKER_08]: He goes, no, I'm going to use my own stuff.

[01:41:36] [SPEAKER_08]: He goes, no, we don't want your own stuff.

[01:41:37] [SPEAKER_08]: We're going to give you everything.

[01:41:39] [SPEAKER_08]: When they walk in, they're going to ask for this.

[01:41:40] [SPEAKER_08]: So he refused to be on the show.

[01:41:44] [SPEAKER_08]: So, but cheaters, I thought it leaks.

[01:41:46] [SPEAKER_08]: I was saying to myself, I said, this show is going to get somebody killed if it was

[01:41:50] [SPEAKER_08]: real.

[01:41:50] [SPEAKER_08]: And they're really doing it.

[01:41:51] [SPEAKER_08]: It's like, they're exposing people and they're going to like either kill the other person

[01:41:54] [SPEAKER_08]: or just kill them.

[01:41:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Cause they're found guilty of cheating.

[01:41:58] [SPEAKER_08]: And they're just going to kill the wife for cheating on them.

[01:42:00] [SPEAKER_08]: I thought for now that's funny.

[01:42:02] [SPEAKER_08]: It's all acting.

[01:42:03] [SPEAKER_08]: There's not one real person.

[01:42:05] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, this is it.

[01:42:06] [SPEAKER_07]: Like the story will be mildly used and changed up, but yeah, I mean, if anything, they would

[01:42:11] [SPEAKER_07]: take sometimes real life boyfriend, girlfriends, but that was it.

[01:42:14] [SPEAKER_07]: Like just, but they were acting though.

[01:42:16] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[01:42:17] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, if anything, what was cool about it is a mixture of kind of guerrilla filmmaking.

[01:42:22] [SPEAKER_07]: Like they, they would, they would say, Hey, go inside, you know, while I, you know, film

[01:42:27] [SPEAKER_07]: you on the so-called, you know, spy camcorder in the, you know, in the parking lot.

[01:42:34] [SPEAKER_07]: And then let's go to a restaurant, which we've reserved and then have the whole busted squad,

[01:42:39] [SPEAKER_07]: which are actual security guards.

[01:42:41] [SPEAKER_07]: That's funny.

[01:42:42] [SPEAKER_07]: And it's just so funny.

[01:42:43] [SPEAKER_07]: Like that, and they are total pros.

[01:42:45] [SPEAKER_07]: Like they know how to get you in a headlock or something without actually hurting you.

[01:42:49] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, it's just like wrestling.

[01:42:50] [SPEAKER_07]: They know their, they know their points that they know their marks and they hit them on

[01:42:55] time.

[01:42:56] [SPEAKER_07]: And it's just so funny.

[01:42:58] [SPEAKER_07]: And easiest thing in the world.

[01:43:00] [SPEAKER_07]: You've got to pretend to be ugly to each other.

[01:43:02] [SPEAKER_07]: And we'll use the best.

[01:43:04] [SPEAKER_07]: That's hilarious.

[01:43:05] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I've known people who have done Jerry Springer and same kind of deal is like, it

[01:43:09] [SPEAKER_07]: just, I'll tell you a funnier one.

[01:43:12] [SPEAKER_07]: My, my, my, my pal, uh, uh, Ruby Rubblito, you know, her, her mom and

[01:43:18] [SPEAKER_07]: aunt would watch the judge Judy equivalent of Telemundo.

[01:43:23] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[01:43:23] [SPEAKER_07]: And the next thing you know, she's on there, they're like Ruby and they've changed

[01:43:26] [SPEAKER_07]: their surname.

[01:43:27] [SPEAKER_07]: And like, she's like, you're not even married to that.

[01:43:29] [SPEAKER_07]: Also asshole.

[01:43:30] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, we thought it was real.

[01:43:32] [SPEAKER_07]: And it's just so funny how it is without fellas.

[01:43:35] [SPEAKER_07]: It's like it, you see it on those other court shows as well.

[01:43:38] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, it's just like people in the audience or who are on trial are trying to

[01:43:42] [SPEAKER_07]: hold back laughter while they're being scolded.

[01:43:45] [SPEAKER_08]: I tell people that all the time.

[01:43:47] [SPEAKER_08]: I said, reality shows are not reality at all.

[01:43:50] [SPEAKER_08]: And it's an, even if they use real people, the bachelor, come on.

[01:43:53] [SPEAKER_07]: They didn't actually sleep together.

[01:43:55] [SPEAKER_08]: They just, I mean, even shows like even shows like the Kardashians, you are, I'm trying

[01:43:59] [SPEAKER_08]: to think about those.

[01:44:00] [SPEAKER_08]: They're put, do you think that they just walk in there and all this stuff happens or real

[01:44:03] [SPEAKER_08]: world, real world, real world was probably one of the first reality shows.

[01:44:08] [SPEAKER_08]: Absolutely.

[01:44:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:44:09] [SPEAKER_08]: But they, when there was a writer's strike, they got mad.

[01:44:12] [SPEAKER_08]: They're like, this doesn't just happen.

[01:44:14] [SPEAKER_08]: We put them in a situation.

[01:44:15] [SPEAKER_08]: We make this, we write this.

[01:44:16] [SPEAKER_08]: They wanted writing credits.

[01:44:18] [SPEAKER_07]: Am I right?

[01:44:19] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[01:44:20] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh yeah.

[01:44:21] [SPEAKER_07]: And they had to make like some, didn't they have to make some kind of compromise with

[01:44:25] [SPEAKER_07]: the Emmys?

[01:44:25] [SPEAKER_07]: Can you give us like a primetime Emmy and just not show it on the main show or some shit?

[01:44:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Something like that.

[01:44:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:44:30] [SPEAKER_08]: It was, they, they did, they did get what they want or a version of what they wanted.

[01:44:34] [SPEAKER_07]: And it's easy fucking money, dude.

[01:44:36] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, if you can get a deal to syndicate it and everyone's watching that shit, man.

[01:44:41] [SPEAKER_08]: I know.

[01:44:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I interviewed, uh, I interviewed Ann Sterling, whose father was Rod Sterling in

[01:44:48] [SPEAKER_08]: Twilight Zone.

[01:44:49] [SPEAKER_08]: And she had, yeah, it's a great interview.

[01:44:51] [SPEAKER_08]: She, she was such a fun person.

[01:44:52] [SPEAKER_07]: Still love the Karloff one, man.

[01:44:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh yeah.

[01:44:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Thank you.

[01:44:56] [SPEAKER_08]: And then, uh, she was probably one of my favorites too.

[01:44:58] [SPEAKER_08]: She was just so much fun.

[01:44:59] [SPEAKER_08]: It's funny because like going to all these different convention meetings, she's so quiet.

[01:45:03] [SPEAKER_08]: And I said, this is going to be a tough interview.

[01:45:04] [SPEAKER_08]: But she was just hilarious.

[01:45:07] [SPEAKER_08]: And Victoria Price, I think you would like to, she was a really good interview, but the

[01:45:12] [SPEAKER_08]: one, yeah.

[01:45:13] [SPEAKER_08]: You only want to get a chance to interview out of all that was Baila Jr.

[01:45:16] [SPEAKER_08]: I want to, I've interviewed Vincent Price's daughter, Forrest's daughter, and certainly

[01:45:20] [SPEAKER_08]: I went to, uh, Baila.

[01:45:22] [SPEAKER_08]: But the reason I bring this up was she had an author on there and I, I was talking to

[01:45:27] [SPEAKER_08]: him.

[01:45:27] [SPEAKER_08]: He wrote tons of books, but he wrote a book on the Twilight Zone.

[01:45:29] [SPEAKER_08]: That's why he was on there and he was her friend.

[01:45:31] [SPEAKER_08]: And after she had to go, we kept talking and he said, do you mind all the reason all these

[01:45:35] [SPEAKER_08]: reality shows are so popular?

[01:45:37] [SPEAKER_08]: I said, no.

[01:45:37] [SPEAKER_08]: He goes, there was a writer's strike and during the summer they put on Survivor.

[01:45:42] [SPEAKER_08]: And I said, oh, this will be like a good summer replacement.

[01:45:44] [SPEAKER_08]: The show costs nothing to make.

[01:45:47] [SPEAKER_08]: It was a huge hit.

[01:45:48] [SPEAKER_08]: And they're like, wow, we don't really have to spend money and we can get people with sponsors.

[01:45:53] [SPEAKER_08]: So that's when that whole reality show took off.

[01:45:57] [SPEAKER_08]: I hate it.

[01:45:58] [SPEAKER_07]: Survivor's got to be more violent.

[01:46:00] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[01:46:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:46:01] [SPEAKER_07]: It reminds me when, uh, Steven Y.

[01:46:05] [SPEAKER_07]: Asouza talked about how he met the, met a random reality TV producer who was a fan of

[01:46:11] [SPEAKER_07]: The Running Man.

[01:46:11] [SPEAKER_07]: He's like, I got an idea based on your movie.

[01:46:15] [SPEAKER_07]: That, that show was American Gladiators.

[01:46:18] [SPEAKER_07]: Yep.

[01:46:19] [SPEAKER_07]: It's the same idea, except without the self-awareness.

[01:46:22] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, it's just, well, it's common denominator.

[01:46:25] [SPEAKER_07]: And it's interesting how many wrestling documentaries they got now that are just also, I mean, just

[01:46:31] [SPEAKER_07]: showing, you know, what's behind the curtain.

[01:46:33] [SPEAKER_07]: It's been even funnier just seeing all these shameless Titans like Sean Diddy Combs and Vince

[01:46:40] [SPEAKER_07]: McMahon all being arrested by the feds.

[01:46:43] [SPEAKER_07]: It just shows you, you know, there's still a lot of bad boys who were really wrecking

[01:46:48] [SPEAKER_07]: a lot of people's lives.

[01:46:49] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, you can thank them for creating an industry, but you can also hate them for,

[01:46:54] [SPEAKER_07]: you know, promoting a lot of corporate bullying, you know?

[01:46:59] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh yeah.

[01:46:59] [SPEAKER_07]: None of those things.

[01:47:00] [SPEAKER_07]: And it's just interesting how it's going to be just, I'm actually looking forward.

[01:47:06] [SPEAKER_07]: It's like, I want to see all these new faces emerge and see what happens in a less hostile

[01:47:11] [SPEAKER_07]: environment now.

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