Old School Spies Week: The Best Villains on the TV Show 24 (with Everybody Counts Podcast Mike Martini!)

[00:00:00] I thought you wanted to get your life back together. Make things right with your family.

[00:00:05] I think this is helping. He's got information that I need. What information? Never mind.

[00:00:13] You can't tell me, fine. Jack, if Tony doesn't find anything, you could end up in jail. Probably. Then what are you doing?

[00:00:22] Jack, answer me.

[00:00:29] Nina, you can look the other way once. And it's no big deal. Except it makes it easier for you to compromise the next time.

[00:00:37] And pretty soon that's all you're doing is compromising because that's how you think things are done.

[00:00:42] You know those guys I blew the whistle on? You think they were the bad guys? Because they weren't bad guys. They were just like you and me.

[00:00:50] Except they compromised once.

[00:00:58] And it's not easy to get your life back together.

[00:01:28] Hello, hello, so he's back in the studio and with him he brought everybody counts cohost Mike Martini once again.

[00:01:48] Hello there.

[00:01:50] Dude, everyone today.

[00:01:52] Oh damn it, we got too many things to do what the damage is done you're not going to be able to cut it deal and give me the kill code now.

[00:02:00] Well that's with it. That's a good thing with podcast thoughts for so much you can have to do the quicker they'll go buy right there you go more to talk about.

[00:02:10] thing. Do we want to slow down or do we want to keep speeding up?

[00:02:15] Ludicrous speed now.

[00:02:16] Ludicrous speed.

[00:02:21] Oh man, now we decided if we're going to revisit just any of these franchises,

[00:02:25] we might as well just, you know, we can talk about moments and everything and all

[00:02:30] that, but we might as well at this point,

[00:02:32] revisiting the Jack Bauer saga is talk about the various antagonist,

[00:02:37] traders, enemy spies and other recurring henchmen who played the entire series run.

[00:02:46] Yeah, exactly a lot of villains in 24 there's always layers upon layers.

[00:02:53] And various layers of so you've been a faithful fan since day one,

[00:02:59] I pretty much caught it later in the deal when it really just swept the Emmys with

[00:03:03] the floor, swept the floor with the Emmys and then just all these other actors were appearing

[00:03:11] in other hit shows.

[00:03:12] So I just, I caught on it.

[00:03:14] Conan O'Brien was doing a spoof on it when he hosted an awards show one time.

[00:03:18] So I couldn't escape it.

[00:03:19] It was everywhere.

[00:03:22] Yeah, I started getting into it when we still had to record the shows off of

[00:03:27] with VCRs back in the

[00:03:30] so that's too long or either 22 years ago, but I remember I was working like a job

[00:03:36] where I was working second shifts.

[00:03:37] So every now and then I wouldn't be able to catch it.

[00:03:39] But I'll just, you know, across my fingers that the show has been recorded at home

[00:03:42] some way, shape or form so I could keep up with all the twists and turns.

[00:03:48] Absolutely.

[00:03:48] Now as of course, when any spy show spoiler, spoiler, spoiler, spoiler, spoiler, spoiler,

[00:03:54] spoiler, spoiler.

[00:03:56] You've been warned, spoiler.

[00:03:58] Yeah, a lot of spoilers in this podcast today.

[00:04:02] Plenty to choose from.

[00:04:04] There's no wrong or right answer really.

[00:04:06] It seems like fans are pretty kind of like even with Bosch and James Bond.

[00:04:10] Everyone's kind of agreed upon most of the villains and any that didn't stand out as well.

[00:04:14] It might have been just on a formulaic entry or just people just couldn't keep it up.

[00:04:19] They just remember the face more than the name or the actor playing it.

[00:04:23] Yeah.

[00:04:24] First of all, that big actors at the times being brought in as villains as well.

[00:04:28] So that was always fun to see.

[00:04:30] A good idea too to just kind of just because they went for ones who had kind of been around for years.

[00:04:36] And I know at one point like famous a-listers wanted to be on the show,

[00:04:40] been stiller and jr.

[00:04:42] And some of them and the producers said no, they're like, no, no, he'll be too noticeable.

[00:04:48] People were going to associate the celebrity with instead of the character.

[00:04:52] Yep.

[00:04:53] Well, I think was she wasn't really known at that time because it was before cast and wasn't

[00:04:57] Stan or Stanicatik.

[00:05:00] Yeah.

[00:05:01] In one or two episodes, a camera feels a bad person or evil character and how to

[00:05:06] first look at that.

[00:05:07] Yeah, she was like a Russian spy and it was just interesting how the sky who had been on

[00:05:13] loss was like her career and Jack is really testing the waters.

[00:05:18] Like I just, it's just so wild how he just goes into the interrogation room, knocks out the

[00:05:26] guard guarding her and this is like, and by the way you are going to die in this unless you tell

[00:05:31] me something.

[00:05:32] Like how did you set up my girlfriend?

[00:05:35] How did you set up this and that not playing and it just gets even more

[00:05:41] tacked on when you're realizing oh, he's going to have to get on a plane.

[00:05:44] He's going to have to find these other guys who are

[00:05:47] stilling information for living is like man.

[00:05:51] I guess we could start with like some of the main ones about Ira Gaines, one who

[00:05:56] played by Michael Massey of the Crow and he kidnaps Jack's family.

[00:06:01] He's basically doing his best die hard free where he's just like instigating conflict over

[00:06:06] the phone saying I know where you are.

[00:06:08] I got a eyes on you at all times and you will bring this and you will assassinate the presidential

[00:06:12] candidate and you will go into this car and do this or that or I will kill your daughter over the phone.

[00:06:20] Yeah exactly.

[00:06:21] Ira Gaines was a really solid character.

[00:06:25] I forgot to write down how many episodes he appeared in.

[00:06:27] No, he's basically half the season like by episode 12 when he

[00:06:32] Jack finally saves his family from that bunker.

[00:06:34] He's like he's dead and then you're like oh but that's not it.

[00:06:37] There's clearly other people that play here.

[00:06:40] That's a set about the show 24 you know there's going to be 24 episodes at least for the first seven

[00:06:46] seasons I think eight went to the 12 episode five.

[00:06:49] This season they actually that first year they thought they were going to cancel after 12 episodes

[00:06:54] because the radio show was out of it.

[00:06:56] Yeah, that's why they kind of ended it with that looming shot on the copter because they weren't sure

[00:07:01] where to stop production you know unfortunately the DVD sells and Emmy buzz was all the talk of the

[00:07:08] town because like sopranos it kind of just invented the whole binge watch in your own comfort without

[00:07:14] having to rely on a VCR tape and it was just interesting just seeing how they just kept

[00:07:21] experimenting with different formulas and but yeah who would I guess that then low on the

[00:07:28] home we're back to square one he's in another bunker with an off the grid security company and then

[00:07:33] lo and behold oh all these war criminals I put away from Serbia uh

[00:07:39] in Kosovo it's not under the Dennis Hopper's Andre Drazen and his evil sons played by

[00:07:45] Ishikoland so you might know as Castile on Supernatural and

[00:07:49] that Victor is a Hopper's character in Andre was the main son pull in the strings played by

[00:07:55] self-scope Ivan Ek who you might know from homicide, Oz and Black Ockdown

[00:08:01] he's the one with the glasses just always intimidated

[00:08:06] well that's right I remember that you know it's been a it's been a long time since I've seen season one

[00:08:11] yeah it's almost time for re-watch I think we watch again

[00:08:16] as well uh what do you think about they made it just say hey it's not just a terrorist group

[00:08:22] it's a personal vendetta it's a family of terrorists

[00:08:26] I liked that you know because like you said he thought it was like a terrorist cell

[00:08:33] and then it turns out to be a family that's trying to pay a back jack power for killing

[00:08:38] his family if i'm not mistaken right yeah basically yeah he had lots of

[00:08:44] dollars yeah something like that he had done like a special forces mission and I liked how

[00:08:49] they came around in season free and then they're like oh by the way this other XMI 6 guy who helped

[00:08:55] you in your kill squad mission you know uh he's back with the vengeance and he wants to

[00:09:02] basically destroy all of LA with a virus yep exactly so I kind of like that

[00:09:09] and we're different different change or not or maybe not a different change but just something

[00:09:14] a little bit different for the times it wasn't just terrorists related interconnected

[00:09:19] unusual kind of terrorism too you'd got cartels before breaking bad took over you got

[00:09:24] but yeah the virus is still freaking to this day it's like how did this come out before COVID

[00:09:30] yeah really no well when I was showing this to family in the 2010s uh smallpox and

[00:09:38] you know SARS virus had kind of already and even mono had kind of been the talk here and there

[00:09:42] but they still weren't extremely contagious like COVID is now yeah I guess I couldn't skip over

[00:09:49] saw villain uh Peter Kingsley played by Tobin Bell I want to rise a very large sum large enough

[00:09:56] to compensate you for any kind of guilt you might feel about this it's not for sale someone wants

[00:10:02] to buy it it's for sale how can you justify starting more just a profit from the outcome

[00:10:08] we're just controlling the chaos that's all in season two that written down yeah he's basically

[00:10:16] working with all these oil tycoons and just wanted to up the prices by it was just I still don't

[00:10:24] know how they got down the air when the war in Iraq was such a heated topic and there's like hey

[00:10:30] let's just comment on it now like uh we got all these people you know who are fear mongers and

[00:10:36] everything and we'll want to strike back at a country the minute they hear a threat what if we

[00:10:41] encrypted a fake so-called threat and we kill all these other people who I better part of the cover

[00:10:48] up even though that ultimately just leads Jack to the main big bads and then after torturing Jack

[00:10:55] you know but as naked oh and now we're gonna incriminate uh the president spiteful x-wife oh

[00:11:03] oh really got complied so I should share a Palmer I had that one written down too

[00:11:10] because yeah it was uh yeah because it was

[00:11:17] it found out in season two that she was kind of behind some of the

[00:11:22] the season two or season three where she was kind of behind some of this behind the scenes

[00:11:27] you know it was justine oh yeah definitely season two and then in season three she's still like

[00:11:34] helps out with a few other murders and it's like man this woman cannot go anywhere without a

[00:11:39] bike on the thing with Sherry Palmer too it's like even when she's saying I'm telling the truth you

[00:11:45] always you know you always no no she's not yeah in fact we're gonna uh then you withhold

[00:11:52] the pills from yeah this that that dude was a bad apple too he's threatening to bribe

[00:12:00] president Palmer unless his brother Wayne backs off with his affair with his

[00:12:07] that's right the walls and yep and much like the one assistant who fell to her death they just

[00:12:15] break away from it because they're like anything else we do to cover it up it's gonna get even

[00:12:20] more implausible yeah exactly well even to your imagination like I've said before and say it again

[00:12:29] many layers to each character each character not just the villains but you even like Jack

[00:12:36] Bauer Tony Elmeida there's a lot of layers involved with each season it seemed like

[00:12:43] even the people they either let's like uh what was it somebody written down here

[00:12:51] back to sorry going back to uh good

[00:12:56] but it was like well I was looking up how many episodes some of the villains had been in you

[00:13:00] know some of them were only we're only in like eight or ten episodes throughout a season or

[00:13:05] it's like uh like uh take John Hodges you know John Void's character yeah creepy creepy

[00:13:12] much like his enemy of the state character having the courage to make those hard choices gives us

[00:13:18] a lot in common Mr. Bauer me explain something to you you and I have absolutely nothing in common all

[00:13:24] that you have done today is create a scenario by attacking your own country that has made you

[00:13:29] valuable again today has been nothing short of a desperate graph for power and it has failed

[00:13:34] you have failed yeah exactly do as I say as I do I'm keeping America safe but meanwhile I'm murdering

[00:13:41] other people who don't fund my black water type operation yeah that's right offense contract

[00:13:48] yeah start going to not start industries that was yeah this is was it started to be a fun thing

[00:13:56] yeah it was stark wood that's what it was that's all that's dark word you got oh my got a half point

[00:14:01] right maybe Tony starts and there's some I don't know that was pre pre-eir man you never know

[00:14:08] fun fact I was actually looking at the wicka and I totally spaced on how this one terrorist

[00:14:14] in the final season legacy who was active for one episode actually revealed on his profile that he

[00:14:20] worked at stark wood and I was like whoa I totally missed that usually I pay attention to all the

[00:14:25] other stuff like I knew so and so was like a cousin of Edgar and everything but I didn't know about

[00:14:29] that but I just thought that was interesting how a one-off character they still played into it briefly

[00:14:34] exactly but yeah all those merch were deadly and dangerous in season seven because you're just like

[00:14:39] man so we already got all these utter loosens like Alan Wilson, Bauer's terrorists you know father

[00:14:47] and brother and ex-president the Richard Nixon-esque you know Charles Logan yeah they all killed

[00:14:56] president David Palmer Michelle almost killed Tony but he just had to go into protection

[00:15:03] and then help build some off the grid stuff and then to add insult to injury they're not only like

[00:15:09] terrorizing the next few presidents then they're involved with the Russians and getting

[00:15:13] Renee killed so they're just like man this wind is this end yeah exactly that also goes to

[00:15:20] the writing as well though I mean sometimes it's good to go back to the well but at times it's like

[00:15:26] well isn't this already been played out enough but for me it's like I didn't it didn't leave

[00:15:32] matter as much with the you know or it's like oh this was used another season or this has been

[00:15:38] done in movies whenever I didn't care you know because it was Jack Bauer trying to save the day

[00:15:44] right to the bottom of all the of all the plots to take out presidents or take out uh just people

[00:15:52] in general I mean you and I both know that your client isn't clean and that he conspired to steal a

[00:15:58] US nuclear warhead all my client wants is due process Mr. Weiss these people are not going to stop

[00:16:05] attacking us today until millions and millions of Americans are dead now I don't want to bypass

[00:16:11] the constitution but these are extraordinary circumstances the constitution was born out of

[00:16:17] extraordinary circumstances Mr. Bauer this plays out by the book not in a back room with a rubber hose

[00:16:25] I hope you can live with that

[00:16:27] was it season four or season three were there are uh the attacking nuclear power plants

[00:16:37] no for yeah you had to write yeah where like I said and to have the mummy guy have been Marwan you

[00:16:43] know Arnold Vazel plans this is like and then edgers so distracted by not only not getting along

[00:16:50] with everybody but then just deciding whoa uh anyone could die at any moment including my

[00:16:57] brother what they also worried about is mom because his mom was in one of the blast areas or the

[00:17:01] affected area and she's decided I'm going to just kill myself I'm not gonna wait to get dies

[00:17:07] even though they prevent it it's like man distractions galore exactly but it's like because you

[00:17:15] have to feel for those characters though two of the ones that you never saw on camera even

[00:17:19] the people playing being on professional have a moment in the sun like when they're attacking

[00:17:26] a gal wrongfully expected it being a mole and they're like okay she was a jerk earlier but this is

[00:17:31] wrong they shouldn't be torturing her yeah then for them to get to the main mole Marian Taylor

[00:17:37] and oh yeah she used to be this hot shot agent you know Curtis's ex-girlfriend and she's working

[00:17:44] for all these other guys who much like Starkwood or a private military contractor industry

[00:17:51] who are ready to get their hands dirty and murder people for money and I'm surprised they didn't

[00:17:56] bring that into all the other shady organizations but I was glad it was a one-off like for free

[00:18:01] episodes yeah you know by the way now that you've eliminated all our kill squads now we got all

[00:18:07] these other guys who still want to help Marwan set a bomb off and melt down every power plant

[00:18:15] you and I both know all I want to do right now is kill you but I have my orders we run out of time

[00:18:21] you win I've been instructed to ask you what you want what I want is already happening the death

[00:18:26] and destruction of innocent life as a means to it and why don't we just skip to the end

[00:18:31] to the end everything that you did today you did for a reason for your people do you want to change

[00:18:38] it's fun seeing every season play out like or every season play out the way it did I always

[00:18:45] love that the 24 episode arc because like you said they'd usually wrap up something halfway through

[00:18:51] and then up here comes something else you know so back to basics trying to go back to square one

[00:18:58] to figure out who did what right who um that's why I know I'm probably skipping ahead but that's

[00:19:05] why I didn't really care for the 12 episode format when season 18 around and by or the same

[00:19:11] Bosch legacy 24 legacy because if it was done a little bit better where maybe you covered the first like

[00:19:18] eight to ten hours and then the last two to four hours oh so you wanted more of a skip in the middle

[00:19:24] versus at the very end yeah skipping the middle than then at the end because it was you know

[00:19:28] you had 11 and a half 11 hours and 40 minutes or whatever and then it skipped to the end of the day

[00:19:34] for like the last 15 20 minutes where you're seeing you know uh was it Audrey Reigns being loaded

[00:19:41] onto a plane oh yeah yeah and there's that they did that with x files prison break and even uh

[00:19:48] what's the other one that returned recently oh it looked down to me but yeah I'm okay with

[00:19:55] being shorter but like you say it could have been a little more focused like on skip ahead like

[00:20:01] okay this just happened this just happened this still will cross happen now let's maybe I guess skip

[00:20:06] to hours after the carnage and then maybe have a little uh more relaxing time instead of just

[00:20:15] 12 hours later they've supposedly slept off screen and now they're at the exchange with the

[00:20:19] prisoners yeah getting the last bad apple exactly yeah yeah and I don't know whose idea was to go

[00:20:27] from 24 episodes down to 12 I don't know if that was a producer or the producer writers said they

[00:20:33] they've referred it because they didn't have to risk having filler episodes or too many moles but

[00:20:38] I think they could have just had a better story editor you know because it's like even if it was

[00:20:43] like 12 to 16 episodes just something where you get like the first three quarters of the way through

[00:20:51] skip ahead okay so we're handling this even have maybe have Jack take a nap or sleep for eight hours

[00:20:57] you know right he basically got to get some rest earlier today you said that I was cursed

[00:21:06] that anyone I touched ended up dead or ruined how dare you how dare you

[00:21:16] basically only naps if he gets knocked out yeah pretty much and then or it's like was that then

[00:21:22] season one re has that woman in the in the trailer or whatever he kind of nods off for a few minutes

[00:21:28] in there right when he's having to use a hostage as bait and then yeah uh then he's even briefly eating

[00:21:36] in the interrogation room and I know the the creators hated that when the filmmakers inserted that

[00:21:41] in there and they're like whoa we just wanted to add some little plausibility you're like no no we

[00:21:44] don't want anyone to be reminded of restroom breaks I'm like well we're gonna ask it anyway yeah really

[00:21:50] when do they ever go to the bathroom or eat or sleep I mean a little down fact if you do sweat all day

[00:21:57] you pretty much have gone rid of all that toxic water that's otherwise gonna be omitted from your body

[00:22:02] but at the same time you're like yeah I think someone needs to go behind a shed real fast and take a

[00:22:07] click exactly we're going back to where you're talking about moles that was always the running

[00:22:12] that was always the running uh plot throughout the season you never knew who the mole was

[00:22:21] you know it's like in a season you see all kinds of people even love this show like even

[00:22:26] indian and uh south african people I see have really responded to the show

[00:22:33] and in a good way not in a hate the show uh I've seen some people still hate it but

[00:22:39] because of certain terrorist depictions but they seem like the type who just hate any kind of

[00:22:44] foreign entity being represented as an antagonist it's whatever

[00:22:50] at least they gave them a story well that's why I kind of like the Charles Logan being kind of like the

[00:22:57] what the mayor in that or you know puppet master basically and seasons five and six where it's like

[00:23:03] all the money sets yep don't anything you're the president

[00:23:09] agent Pierce we're in the middle of a meeting if you don't mind

[00:23:14] Mr president my name is jack bauer and i'm sorry to have to confront you like this

[00:23:18] but your chief of staff is withholding information that is vital to this nation's security

[00:23:24] so homegrown terrorist instead of over the overseas terrorist

[00:23:28] absolutely to add insult to injury we think the

[00:23:33] uh the angry uh chinese diplomat you know chingsy played by sama who you might know from rush hour

[00:23:40] in the tv show martial law it is like we thought okay he's gonna constantly torture jack that's

[00:23:45] the worst oh christenderson like by p. or weller you know robo cop oh he's much like him and then

[00:23:52] Nina Myers being a mole is like the ultimate stab in the back and it's like to then have the president

[00:23:58] and who jack already says kind of like bosh it says i don't do politics bauer's like i don't even

[00:24:04] care who's in office i just want them to abide by the rules exactly and i love him even in season seven

[00:24:12] where you had kitty sack off being uh oh eight yeah another mole season eight right

[00:24:18] yeah it's not the only i didn't care for the other villains in that but i i definitely liked her

[00:24:23] on that because it was just coolest to your play against type and play a different type of mole

[00:24:28] and you're like okay so she was basically kind of like icis she's like a brainwashed

[00:24:32] like trailer part gal she doesn't even remember her real name anymore she basically

[00:24:37] was a sleeper agent without even realizing it she just yep was psychologically on sound and thought

[00:24:43] everyone was like out together was like damn this is some that's some toxic stuff

[00:24:51] and it was also the the was not really underlying story story lines where he's helping an

[00:24:56] ex-boyfriend try to get a crap ton of money all where it's like what but she's trying to not

[00:25:03] lose her job by you know i've got a resort to her and out of the former from her past so that's

[00:25:09] why it was kind of when at the first time i saw that i'm like oh wow you know i didn't see that one

[00:25:15] coming you know we're well there was a few where i didn't see them see the characters being the

[00:25:20] mole i mean right we just thought she was a professional person we didn't think oh she's

[00:25:25] gonna resort to murder and kill somewhere in hoarers investigate actually i mean you go back to

[00:25:32] season one with you know mires you know i didn't see that playing out either the way it did yeah

[00:25:36] cuz they do the reverse psychology and second guessing or like hey i'm doing things out the grid

[00:25:42] but i'm not the mole and oh was this person and isn't it weird how the same place where she's

[00:25:49] making her getaway is also the same room where she ends up getting killed two seasons later

[00:25:54] yeah exactly very unusual villain irony it was like she knows the whole thing from top to bottom

[00:26:01] uh it's wild how in season three we already got the cardila virus that's gonna infect everybody but

[00:26:08] then she has the insult injury to basically trick all the ctu guys into activating a computer virus

[00:26:16] you're like man how many viruses can we tell well that that was the running theme two 24 ctu

[00:26:23] constantly being under attack you know oh man whether whether it's a mole or from uh it was

[00:26:29] at season two where i think they blew up part of the building the uh oh yeah yeah that was evil

[00:26:36] and all those guys like hey take a former gang that jack you know infiltrate and then silently left

[00:26:44] and you know they're not buying it but the other main guy is going along with it he's like okay

[00:26:49] you're here for something okay you can prove your words and then lo and behold

[00:26:54] so they're like oh and jack to maintain your cover and remind of me of a splinter cell or

[00:26:59] video game or Tom Clancy now is like by the way you gotta let this still happen

[00:27:04] they're like yeah and it's long look and I was like no let that happen but sometimes he's just stuck

[00:27:09] in the middle of you know trying to get to get deeper into the into the uh what is it called

[00:27:17] the murky undercover no thank you network yeah getting deeper into network to figure out what layers

[00:27:25] to figure it out and then with uh Nina Myers coming in on season three as well too

[00:27:34] it's like um what was it let's try to remember something that when i was first watching those

[00:27:40] episodes where she came in she was trying to warn you know the the actual bad guys that

[00:27:48] oh yeah you know jack's not here to help you guys he's here to take you guys down they all they

[00:27:55] cared about was seeing the dollar signs and yeah we're just mean at all well murder anyone as long

[00:28:01] as it takes and then oh by the way that this happened this was an inconvenience but we're still

[00:28:08] in a resort to just sloppy murder at this point and it is wild how abu fa'id

[00:28:18] uh the season six main terrorist villain it was like instead of like marwan who was pretty polished

[00:28:24] and had a bunch of traitors americans and x-air force guys doing his dirty work as well as

[00:28:31] having the power plants and even just uh muslim american families doing his dirty work this is like

[00:28:40] with fa'id i mean see what you will about all his underhinchment i just thought it was interesting how

[00:28:44] it's like this is at first this is sending a message to jack is like hey you killed my brother

[00:28:49] years ago at a in prison and now i'm just gonna use drone strikes and now we the US military

[00:28:59] using drones for to do our dirty work over seasons like man but terrorists in this universe reason

[00:29:05] at first yeah in fact uh i know i always bring up bosh every now and then but uh yeah the one

[00:29:12] john's world he would be an l.a. and get everyone out of there no i was just saying that uh

[00:29:18] uh dowan johnson i think played that the drone on board oh and season seven yeah season seven

[00:29:24] so yeah but that was cool too that they were still using drones i mean they even used it in

[00:29:29] season nine in london but yeah i that is definitely where i first saw dowan johnson he had been in

[00:29:35] like a bunch of rito's ads and here he is uh i mean all those other guys before you get to

[00:29:42] alan wilson and Hodges and season seven are interesting too because they're working with

[00:29:48] uh jubaku and the south african warlord uh juma played by candy man and star track's toni taad

[00:29:54] is like yes but i love toni taad's character and the voice the minis is like i will slit your daughter's

[00:30:02] eyes one by one i promise you madder president unless you sign a treaty that basically makes all

[00:30:09] my war crimes legal and everything yep and yeah exactly i think they're the only ones that

[00:30:15] infiltrated uh that far into the white house absolutely this is before ellipis is fallen but

[00:30:19] it does find a wild how uh Hodges is is also happy to just give him all these codes and he doesn't care

[00:30:26] if he signs his name in the treaty too because he's like yeah i want to make all my murderous

[00:30:31] corporation legal too is like do you hear yourself yeah can you just take a step back put the

[00:30:38] straight jacket on please if you wouldn't i think i'm gonna see it almost makes me want to have

[00:30:46] i don't watch your ldtv but i'm always quoting like cheesy stuff like to catch a predator how about

[00:30:51] seek right here yeah exactly oh man there's a lot of bad guys in 24 when you're talking about

[00:31:02] abu faillade he was also responsible for kidnapping moris or brine oh man and he's doing the drills on him

[00:31:12] just like yeah yeah jack got the electrocution and being stabbed somehow not in the spot he's using a

[00:31:18] drill on him you're like holy moly i've never seen that much gore network tv yeah i know that was uh

[00:31:24] that was a little bit sh- not really shocking i don't know it was shocking but at the same time like

[00:31:30] it wasn't they weren't trying to do it just for shits and giggles but at the same time like

[00:31:36] yep put the kids in the bed there's one is that they were trying to get moris or brine too

[00:31:42] like just make it the vice or finish the vice or reactivate it the vice yeah they knew he was a hacker

[00:31:48] and they're like still that's great we want a sidetrack ctu but then lo and behold those careers

[00:31:54] decide oh by the way you know if i had never intended to pay you for your time so you're going to

[00:32:00] get murdered too just like shits it does remind me of like season five and six of bosh some of those

[00:32:05] other like uh anti-american terrorists is like we're in a bomb a courtroom yep which is a wild

[00:32:14] yeah cuz that sounds like an episode of homeland too i never got into homeland wait no i think

[00:32:21] the back i think i watched the first season all my homeland i'd be curious to take on it i

[00:32:27] uh and i think you'd like the president's on that one more than the ones on here oh i bet

[00:32:32] well i did like uh i love david paulmer oh yeah we all have paulmer it's just the other ones have

[00:32:37] like other people and their staff who are keeping info from them or being out of the best know

[00:32:42] so exactly the uh that was at the mole not mole because he was uh the vice president's

[00:32:51] chief of staff wasn't he kind of uh probably obviously the vice president as well was had his

[00:32:57] fingers and some evil doing as well oh totally after yeah uh from uh went with Logan in company

[00:33:06] yeah those guys are wild too because they're like they're pretty much just saying i mean the fact that

[00:33:11] they tell secret service by the way you will kill uh like the madem presidents uh and the first

[00:33:19] ladies various underlings and oh you're gonna go kill jack because he's a liability and we don't

[00:33:24] want to exchange him the china it's like what exactly a lot of and jack goes through it a lot you

[00:33:32] know when when he gets when he gets taken by the uh at the end of season you feel dead in those

[00:33:42] yeah season five he gets captured and season six he returns but yeah just even with seeing that

[00:33:48] beard you're just like holy moly and seeing him broken the way he i mean obviously it was great acting

[00:33:56] on key for Sutherland's part but yeah body language we was trying to interrogate a guy where

[00:34:03] you know a seasoned or two before he'd do it without breaking a sweat but

[00:34:07] he's like putting something under the fingernails under a knee cap or something like that and

[00:34:11] oh he's not it's the shakes or something like that yeah he can barely stand up for a minute he's

[00:34:17] afraid that someone will land a hand on him he wants to literally I mean much like he buys that

[00:34:24] one terrorist like here off he wants to do that to change so bad but he's just glad that he's

[00:34:28] even still alive at that point he's like i'll get to you later exactly so a lot of good

[00:34:35] good evil villain characters throughout the day and giving them a moment in the sun like uh I was

[00:34:44] fortunate enough to interview Adani Marappas who played fight in season six oh yeah and talked how

[00:34:50] interesting it was how he plays the character so different many different ways is like first

[00:34:56] he plays him as kind of a warlord tyrant then he plays him as like a revenge criminal and then

[00:35:01] when he's going he's trying to hide away and go into hiding and he's getting beat up by some of those

[00:35:08] Muslim phobic barflies that's like it's interesting we also once again we did a reverse

[00:35:14] and you're playing this character now as the victim of war crimes or torture there too and it's like

[00:35:21] to go from that many places I mean there's even a deleted scene with Marwan and day four where

[00:35:27] they show him actually getting with his family before he gets the nuclear football and everything

[00:35:36] I know they took it away because they didn't want to risk glamorize the villain but I thought

[00:35:39] that would have been an interesting like add-on to just show hey he's got a family who could

[00:35:45] die at any minute too and he's he's organized he's practically a career criminal before he even

[00:35:52] starts doing all these you know terrorism all these guys in suits oh man obviously there was plenty

[00:36:05] of terrorists in the last two seasons but I kind of feel like they all kind of flowed together after a

[00:36:10] while it was kind of a retrait of once again just people wronged by the characters and more time

[00:36:16] yep yeah we uh we're just separate out my notes by seasons

[00:36:25] it's all good I'm gonna have them all kind of over the place but going back to

[00:36:29] want to talk a little bit more with the with Graham Bauer you know I didn't see that

[00:36:36] I mean that because that was between two seasons seasons five and six before it's revealed

[00:36:41] that Graham was the one that was trying to get out his brother killed oh man then he went into season six

[00:36:47] and yeah backstabbing big time so right out of the out of the series I mean there's always been my favorite

[00:36:54] villains like ena mayors um oh what was the other uh oh man oh and assassin mani we can't not

[00:37:03] mention mani you know you could poison mani president you you kind of start off the show with season one

[00:37:09] and then you could now test to make Michelle give her a getaway copter in season four and you're like

[00:37:14] man yep and then uh but the going back to Graham Bauer, Phillip Bauer you know I didn't see that one

[00:37:22] coming you obviously I don't think they really talked about Bauer's family at all yeah they wanted to

[00:37:31] they said in like a brief deleted scene or special feature how they wanted to kind of make him

[00:37:36] um I don't know kind of be more like a Shakespearean twist where he had actually you know the reason jack

[00:37:42] had gotten in away and joined the army years ago was because he was a hard father and it's like

[00:37:49] you get that but then they wanted to add some other stuff like he might have molested him or something

[00:37:52] and they're like that that's a little too darkless shy of it's let's go away from that just make

[00:37:57] him be you know just a shithead to have a sort of what jack bauer is so yeah absolutely just

[00:38:04] having be a guy who just had again a private contractor company and I wanted to just basically

[00:38:13] sell out his country for info and data but yeah with the gram and philip power it's like you didn't see

[00:38:21] it coming and then power jack is interrogating his brother you know he sees his dad kind of steering

[00:38:28] him down he's like oh shoot you know so he stops the interrogation philip finishes the job didn't

[00:38:35] see that one coming either absolutely and then like holy cow and then he's like oh my god did I do this

[00:38:41] tonight is like no but you made me think I do it which is even more diabolically oh and not only does

[00:38:46] he kill his son but he also makes his other son believe that he was responsible for killing his

[00:38:50] brother so it's like cheese how evil can you be dude yeah relentless and just

[00:38:59] psychotic that's the stupid they get some actors that play really good psychos just glad that

[00:39:04] they could even stage it with all those multi-camera setups and the fact that that almost did

[00:39:10] you know that wasn't in the script Stephen Hopkins was just inspired by high noon and

[00:39:17] like a bunch of other movies that had experimented with before and I just can't help

[00:39:21] it now when I watch an older movie like say airport and i'll see a split screen and like oh

[00:39:25] inspiration yeah didn't like see us i Miami try to do stuff like that too yeah that well see us

[00:39:33] i see us i as well but uh thanks for always remember like watching see us i Miami it's like it would

[00:39:40] have like multiple screens but it'll be like different angles of the person doing like a DNA test

[00:39:45] or something like that where it's like yeah that was more flash it's like 24 better where it has

[00:39:51] four or five or yeah different locations as a possible different locations different characters

[00:39:58] well you have to clock ticking down always love that sound well they just knew right away that from

[00:40:04] reading the script it would be just too repetitive if they just kept cutting back and forth between

[00:40:10] locations like let's make them feel like they're all in the same room yeah exactly so a question for

[00:40:19] you Tony Almeida evil character or anti or anti hero he's basically he's jack bauer if jack basically

[00:40:29] had five more girlfriends die and just went off the edge because like we can't speed that with

[00:40:36] any worse he's character being killed off absolutely uh Renee is another one uh

[00:40:41] courtesy and well and courtesy manning remember in day six he decides to kill that terrorist who killed

[00:40:47] his militia oh it's right yeah he was like on a still team with them and he's like no no

[00:40:53] whatever happens this guy is not leaving the interrogation room i'm gonna kill him and

[00:40:57] jack's like sorry dude we gotta use him to give some feed some intel to the president

[00:41:04] and they didn't have to kill Curtis but i just thought it was interesting how

[00:41:08] everybody who gets out of line pretty much either gets hurt or just reminds jack that he could

[00:41:14] have done that same dumb mistake and but yeah Tony is interesting because it's like he's not trying

[00:41:20] to be a villain but he is kind of like the punisher he's using villainous means to

[00:41:25] uh do a selfish you know a vingement yep vingendo death of his wife and kid

[00:41:33] i forgot she was pregnant yeah they really forgot all about that because uh which season did that

[00:41:39] happen season five right yes season five and uh even to have that other guy who had been working with

[00:41:48] Peter Wollas character Henderson i thought that was cool that they brought him Peter wing filled

[00:41:51] from x-men 2 and highlander is like he's only in four episodes and it's wild how Tony even

[00:41:59] is reluctant to kill him because he's kind of been fighting a similar fight even though he knows

[00:42:04] he's ultimately not a good guy oh yeah it was like he was using all these cyber hackers and everything to

[00:42:12] pretty much destroy the criminal underworld but so many gray areas again what actors would you

[00:42:19] like to see and play a villain on here i can think of a few guys from Air Force one probably would have

[00:42:24] been perfect oh man that's a good question i'll come back obviously i didn't know tennis

[00:42:30] well over as an actor back then was watching 24 but he he had played some good bad guys so it would

[00:42:36] have been fun to see him in a season or few episodes well this is kind of big at that point

[00:42:42] i thought jingo fed from star wars would have been fun uh to more more saying he had done other

[00:42:47] crime shows and movies but i just love it just when you get all these guys who can be chameleons and

[00:42:52] just add emphasis to the villains and all that yeah instead of just i mean Tony taught was kind of as

[00:42:58] close as you got but he just reminded me of so many other beam movie actors who would make mainstream

[00:43:04] appearances on tv like Michael iron side in land tenor extend and you like see those guys

[00:43:09] the bad guy in the crow uh Michael wincott i think would have been perfect but as close as they got

[00:43:14] was they had him be the hacker in the second or last season he was kind of stills clowy away

[00:43:19] that's right but if he like that it was my go rucker in every any seasons i can't remember

[00:43:26] oh he wasn't but he would have been perfect yeah he could be a good bad guy because

[00:43:32] and there's a lot of there's a lot of actors that can really play the bad guy character well

[00:43:37] oh yeah when michael madson first appeared as one of jacks old buddies i was like oh he's gonna

[00:43:42] be a bad but he's gonna betray him i was like nope he's loyal surprisingly yeah

[00:43:47] so yeah it's a city you never know who's exactly one hundred percent on board with jack or

[00:43:52] or on the opposite spectrum where they're just using to get what they want or get get stuff but

[00:43:58] that's a great question whether the actors man i'd like to try to get back to you on that one

[00:44:05] no it's all good who else did you have your sodea and a few to do eventually i know i mentioned some

[00:44:11] of the air force one guys i've been did you ever see the horror comedy wishmaster

[00:44:18] no oh it's all good okay so uh and your diva if i think it's an underrated actor and he was the bad guy

[00:44:23] in movies like toy soldiers and his scary old men's main henchman who gets in a fight with

[00:44:28] heres important air force one and i always thought he just had the voice for it where he could play

[00:44:35] most ethnicities and just give it a diabolical spin i would be a miss if i did not mention the great

[00:44:43] late great julian sands who played Vladimir Bureko in season five

[00:44:50] yearko yeah he's the main Russian guy with the uh basically and frags type poison bomb

[00:44:57] oh that's right hey but that's is it we forget about him because the presidential

[00:45:02] are just overshadowed so much of it but it's interesting how he finds a clever way to always have his

[00:45:08] goons bust him out of a do a shell break and i know that actor did say he he was watching a lot of

[00:45:15] Pierce Brosnan James Bond movies to get an idea for his villain and uh i just remember when i

[00:45:23] saw with my folks i was just blowing away it's like yeah this guy you know people in today's world

[00:45:27] might know him from something like uh the Superman show but he's done everything from being one of

[00:45:33] the gamblers who gets murdered and leaving Las Vegas to bunch of utter period piece stuff to play

[00:45:38] in the warlock so like you said yeah chameleon type but cure another chameleon and i put those to

[00:45:46] him for just he didn't even have to unlike juma who was kind of like ready to die and just had no shame

[00:45:54] and uh just wanted people to kind of just stay away from him he was mixing in politics

[00:46:01] he was political but only to an extent like at the end of the day he was basically just using

[00:46:06] politics to just get what he wanted and it was interesting seeing some of his utter henchmen

[00:46:12] because some of them i've seen in like die hard for and a few other action shows so it's like

[00:46:18] yeah it's kind of fun it's kind of fun going through some people's i-m-db

[00:46:24] daughter i-m-db filmography because like oh i didn't know they were in that you know kind

[00:46:29] of bring up sometimes like episodes you know you're going to vampire and here you are now

[00:46:36] exactly i was going through who was it um sorry in a second

[00:46:41] i mean obviously John void John voids speaks for himself but it's like uh right

[00:46:48] uh Steven Saunders who was played by Paul Blackthorn is that the one you mentioned there

[00:46:53] yep yep and i i liked that one article compared it to the golden iark

[00:46:59] i was like yeah because he is he has the characters complete trust and then he decides

[00:47:05] yeah that was all a lie and he's very smooth with his operation low-loan much like the yorko

[00:47:11] get it dispatching all the other guys who have spelled him or who again we thought we're running

[00:47:17] the show but aren't yep yeah and then i remember it wasn't cal pen like uh uh a runner of some sort

[00:47:26] at war oh yeah season six yeah he basically is it takes that couple hostage and he's like

[00:47:35] yep i love how he's like uh by the way i'm here to you know use you as a fall guy

[00:47:42] you got to transport this bomb and i need you guys to get me out of here and that doesn't work out

[00:47:46] too well does it yeah exactly never does you go from how i met your mother and herald and Kumar did

[00:47:52] this but that was also good at acting it was also in the uh Superman Returns movies two is one

[00:47:58] of lex luther's i think so yeah yep right so it's it's always fun seeing like a comedic actor that

[00:48:05] can also do dramatic roles as well all right we already got mario lin as clowy and then

[00:48:11] have all these other guys pop up i mean i didn't mention i just dollar is marion but i mean that

[00:48:17] gave her a big career boost when she was doing stand-up and unfriend's like man

[00:48:23] yeah i was that uh she's also appeared in a few episodes of always sunny and filled elfias well

[00:48:30] marie marie yeah gild the snail yeah gale the snail that's right i just i just started water

[00:48:37] a little bit off topic for a second i just finally watched all the seasons of always sunny discuss

[00:48:43] i heard that Greg was always good in his role as uh max dad you know so i wanted to catch up

[00:48:50] and see all the up yeah Greg comments from bosh is on there and it is funny how

[00:48:56] again just it's so low-budget looking that's how they really to keep it on for so long and

[00:49:02] and have to you worry about paid cuts or anything well that's maybe another actor though too

[00:49:08] that i mean Gregory played some really good bad evil characters throughout his career

[00:49:13] because i'm fun to see him be in his party didn't

[00:49:17] if it's no 24 yeah it's like uh i don't know much jibbrani that i'm not a terrorist but i play one on tv

[00:49:24] comedian uh he was in season two as one of the guys in the van

[00:49:29] oh that's right as a change of heart he's like and basically half these guys you could say are kind of

[00:49:36] the learoid jinkans of their team they always have second thoughts about doing all these awful things

[00:49:40] so that makes it kind of fun too what terrorist is going to flip or who's going to be actually a

[00:49:44] federal agent undercover or who's going to be none of those things in a totally different plot twist

[00:49:50] exactly that's the status bros plot twist pretty pretty much in almost every episode

[00:49:57] cliffhangers almost every single episode even end on what you see right cliffhangers

[00:50:03] because that was at the mandy assassin you'd mentioned uh she poisoned David Palmer by shaking

[00:50:10] his hand at some point yeah last episode of season one yep oh man we're not allowed a lot of good villains

[00:50:18] and a lot of underlings of villains throughout all the seasons with a show that's for sure

[00:50:25] and your only is good is your villains but uh and don't you they gave the diehard movies and run

[00:50:29] for their money oh absolutely i enjoyed all i enjoyed all the seasons of 24 and i only watch the

[00:50:36] legacy show once through like i said it was only the 12 episodes i watched it when i aired first

[00:50:43] of fox you didn't see the one in London i saw the one in London too so that was 12 episodes

[00:50:51] well i mean with that you know like i said legacy and season eight or nine what

[00:50:57] everyone was the shortened ones to yeah that's why i didn't that's why i didn't really care for

[00:51:02] legacy as much plus no jack power spoiler alert but uh with the 12 episode format i didn't really

[00:51:09] care for that as much but i do want to go back and rewatch the legacy one too because i know they're

[00:51:15] trying to kind of revitalize the show with a different character but i think a lot of people

[00:51:21] would just turned off that you know well without jack power it's not really 24 is it type of thing?

[00:51:26] i i just wish they could have given flowy and i mean since they brought Tony back they should have

[00:51:30] just had Tony, Chloe and like some other guys just kind of what they almost did with fris or

[00:51:37] breaks has had their own kind of just like vigilante crew that's yeah crimes that would have been a fun

[00:51:43] equalizer or the pretender kind of show i'd would love to watch every week

[00:51:50] and is what it is i mean they did talk about doing one where uh kind of like almost like a

[00:51:56] homeland or that boss season where they would have a uh federal agent who gets word that a

[00:52:03] terrorist is going to sabotage uh a courtroom trial and it's like see that that that could have

[00:52:09] been a fun ticking time bomb of a fris exactly i would be excited to see some like that but uh i mean

[00:52:16] they're doing the writers are now doing that with uh their accused tv show where it's been labeled

[00:52:22] the twilight zone but if you had a in a courtroom every season i would love it if they just did

[00:52:28] that with 24 in general is like just uh maybe having been anthology is like every season there's a new

[00:52:34] group of people with a new erpice and mission oh that would be kind of cool maybe a nice

[00:52:41] cool and then and then slowly maybe like the breaking bad universe slowly reconnected to all the

[00:52:47] other guys like at the end of this you get a pat on the back from uh uh Wayne Palmer or

[00:52:55] slowly to break you out going back to uh Charles Logan's character there is like a couple times

[00:53:02] where you thought they had been killed at some point because yeah season six i thought he was gone

[00:53:07] season six yeah and then he pops back up in season seven right and then when they bust them out of

[00:53:11] prison for season eight and have them be like a supervisor i'm like no this is the most

[00:53:17] competent government ever yeah exactly it was it was telling me it's true it reminded me of some

[00:53:25] of the today's people who the Oliver Norse the world you know just people who have had a infamous

[00:53:31] scandal and then somehow you know got you know freed or cut a deal with a district attorney

[00:53:38] and how they can do all these under mischievous things or be a lobbyist and you're like man no one

[00:53:44] ever really goes away do they no not really unless well it's like that's why when Tony pops back up

[00:53:50] and after we thought that he was killed by the drone strike if i'm not mistaken it's like you

[00:53:57] think that you know he's gone he's not so i was always i was always hoping and wishing that Michelle

[00:54:02] wasn't killed either but you know didn't get that wish unfortunately. Michelle said on their

[00:54:07] longer though for sure i know i loved her character i loved the relationship with between her and Tony

[00:54:13] I liked how they brought Tony with Milo bag but his was interesting because it's like

[00:54:18] season six is kind of a season two rehash partially it was like once again they're threatening to go

[00:54:24] to war with another country and then they're deciding hey we got to have some office romance.

[00:54:32] Yeah exactly the um what would you think is because when i was doing some research on the villains

[00:54:40] of 24 I mean everybody had different rankings for you know like you know top 20 top 24 you know

[00:54:48] type of thing but i don't want to go all you know 24 characters in but what do you think is like a

[00:54:52] mount rush more of the evil reveal and characters from the show. You're the favorite top four villains yes

[00:55:01] so hard i know i'm talking about it i know hinderson's a big fan favorite but yeah i would probably

[00:55:06] have to go with Logan and general juma and then v yorko and then probably sonders because i know

[00:55:15] everyone has fun with the salazar's in season three and the drazen families but i feel like those

[00:55:21] guys are kind of more fun in that they got resources but they they're letting emotion

[00:55:28] those steaks kind of drive their various betrayals of each other and then i'm not that sure now

[00:55:34] a few years ago my wife was killed because of my job my daughter's never been the same since

[00:55:40] this last year well you know what i went through to bring you in what i get for it bad on the back

[00:55:48] in the end of the motion and a hair when habit i'm tired of putting my ass on the line for nothing

[00:55:54] i'm done putting my ass on the line for nothing.

[00:55:59] mm-hmm so i just prefer the ones who is like man like marwan okay so maybe i take it back so

[00:56:06] Logan marwan juma viracle no nice sonders juma marwan

[00:56:14] Logan okay finalize it yeah because i got to applaud the guys who had their deck of cards

[00:56:20] and they pretty much could win like 15 chess games in a row.

[00:56:24] yeah for me i always you know season one always holds a special place in my heart so

[00:56:29] it need a myers to pound my top four. yeah that's fine.

[00:56:32] i heard i read the marwan was good charles Logan chenzie.

[00:56:36] chenzie okay yeah that that torture he was the one that almost is.

[00:56:41] yep plus he almost broke power i mean he did at some point.

[00:56:45] he really did and to then just like when you see that final like there's a lot of great rack focus

[00:56:52] shots especially when they're doing ctu or presidential briefings and for those who don't know

[00:56:57] that that's where the camera doesn't move but it goes out of focus like on a different person

[00:57:02] in the same frame. i always loved how with that one you had what almost looked like a crane shot

[00:57:08] mixed in was just like just slowly fading out like it's like but i just as ching as thing by the way

[00:57:15] jack i'm not gonna kill you so you're gonna fill every pain you know broken rib every just electrocution

[00:57:22] everything.

[00:57:23] you even tried to play that game with me mr. brinette i've been doing this a long time and i can tell

[00:57:29] the difference especially when a man is under duress if he's got information that i need to

[00:57:32] refund just wasting my time and i promise you i am not wasting my time.

[00:57:38] yes and then to have that teaser where uh did you ever see any of the fun kind of i think they

[00:57:46] like little teaser many episodes that would get people hyped up that were on the DVDs?

[00:57:52] no and i i don't think we ever got the DVDs back when they were.

[00:57:57] that's not good.

[00:57:57] not bad.

[00:57:58] season three for whatever reason they had

[00:58:02] now they didn't have one for season three but they had i think it was on the uk version they had

[00:58:06] one where jack actually uses the f word and they already they shows him quitting ctu and everything

[00:58:14] while showing the various coyotes that the mexican criminals who decide to

[00:58:19] provide the the bomb that opens up season four on the train.

[00:58:24] you know and yes as season five they did a fun one just showing him putting Chloe into hide-in

[00:58:30] while he also runs away from one of Logan's assassins on a motorcycle and that that was just a cool

[00:58:38] brief excuse for a chase scene but season six was like the last one they did and that was just

[00:58:42] empowering because they had a deep brief where they show him getting interrogated at the end of season

[00:58:48] six by some ctu hounds they open it up with on the i think it was either online and then on

[00:58:54] the DVD but they they show him actually trying to escape his his prison camp and.

[00:59:02] oh well really miserably.

[00:59:05] well that would be that'd be fun if you get it if we we'd be able to find like those videos

[00:59:09] i'd be fun to kind of find a one too.

[00:59:12] well slightly that'd be fun to have goodies.

[00:59:16] yeah.

[00:59:20] they're not on hula say you might as well look up youtube see if they got them.

[00:59:24] exactly either that or track down the DVDs.

[00:59:27] you can do that too.

[00:59:28] but you said some of them were on the uk version of the DVDs right?

[00:59:31] i think so but i think 24 spoilers has them all too sweet.

[00:59:37] they have almost all the special features that coutus to them because i do like to when i post

[00:59:42] instagram videos post a lot of behind the scenes videos from 24 in prison break because it's just

[00:59:48] so intricate just showing all the editors pacing away the demolition guys setting up the practical

[00:59:55] explosions and all the various producers working on the weekends while the directors and main cast

[01:00:04] have taken off for the day to film you know insert shots be roll with the stand-ins and stunt doubles.

[01:00:10] you know oh nice.

[01:00:12] it's just when you see something like that it's just it's good to remind people is like because

[01:00:17] i don't see that kind of discipline as much anymore i mean even when i've been in extra i

[01:00:20] just i i would be on non-union sets where i would see people

[01:00:26] want to get in the lead actor's face and they're cool with everything i'm like yeah but you won't

[01:00:30] get that in anywhere else you know you can't walk up to the lead without being asked to leave

[01:00:36] yeah definitely you'd mentioned at one point the podcast 20 years of 24 right yes

[01:00:44] yes i want to make sure to get that righty Richardson baby doing great job and i'll just say

[01:00:52] that director jonka star is pretty much the hichcock of tv right now as it's love how he uses

[01:00:59] suspense on all his different movies and shows and i love how he finds a way to even

[01:01:04] still work with some of this 24 actors yeah i watched rabbit hole with key for subtle and that's

[01:01:11] really great that's right yeah that one of kassar's projects of well i'm mistaken just

[01:01:16] directing episodes of FBI now but uh it's all sp yet but yeah no we can totally do a special

[01:01:23] on the night agent and rabbit hole for sure i mean i do applaud k-for for you know first

[01:01:28] for a while he's just being the concerned dad or the psycho or the detective and now after 24

[01:01:34] he pretty much opened two layers for him is like you can now either do be a spy or

[01:01:41] you know off the grid federal guy like on touch or rabbit hole or you can be president on the first

[01:01:46] lady and doesn't even survive oh it doesn't even survive right i like that one too i forgot about

[01:01:54] you know because there was so many villains there that made you secretly wish and i'm waiting

[01:01:59] for a looing connection somewhere yeah exactly it is waiting for one of those uh 24 connections

[01:02:07] the actor out in kanto from the following and ex-man was just so good as his chief of staff turn

[01:02:12] vice president but i felt like he brought a similar gravitas that Carlisbee and ard brought

[01:02:18] as toniamedo where he's a strong latino-american but he's not being exploited based on his race and he's

[01:02:24] just a yep very well spoken individual who wants to turn a new leaf in his life

[01:02:31] and yeah we could totally talk some great designated survivor moments because

[01:02:35] man just people remember those kinds of shows like that show i mean 24 kind of

[01:02:42] brought people out of the line work to just see how you can make a dictating tv but then when you get

[01:02:47] designated survivor to just reinvigorate how people can talk about subject matter that they

[01:02:53] can't discuss at the dinner table it's like man did you job yeah exactly i mean if i could meet

[01:03:01] Harry Bosch in life i mean obviously i'm not sure if i would hire him on the spot of the private

[01:03:06] eyes say hey can you track down this hate crime or this unusual kidnapping or missing person

[01:03:14] exactly i trust you as opposed to vick mackie who's gonna steal my money and then kill a bunch of

[01:03:20] cartel guys on the show yeah definitely don't want to do that right yeah there's a lot of

[01:03:28] characters i wouldn't mind meeting i mean like the real life characters not just the actors at

[01:03:33] portrayal um i was 100% even the ones who were in like one episode as like a henchman or sniper

[01:03:39] yes exactly how did you add it up um i mean Jeff cobers had a big career on stunts of anarchy and

[01:03:46] walking dead but i to me he will always be that asshole who killed david Palmer you know there's like

[01:03:55] and now that i've confessed this you will take me to the to the hospital right jack and jack's like

[01:04:00] i lied because all Charles broadson i lied of course no if you killed you killed this uh one of his

[01:04:10] best friends you know it would have been one thing had you just been a bad person who kills

[01:04:14] people for money like man he but oh you killed the president probably the best president in the world

[01:04:21] yeah see as it's like when when the show is first on it's like you were rooting for david Palmer

[01:04:27] you were rooting for jack power you're so or yeah even when they were growing is like what do you do when

[01:04:33] i mean the power tv shows and even some of these other shows are just reminding everyone we're

[01:04:40] doing a draw the line when the people you server hypocrites or in it for their own careers and

[01:04:46] when the villains they're not right but uh they're basically gonna be let off after just

[01:04:53] murdering thousands of people is like we're not even trying to i mean i've even seen

[01:04:59] both sides of the political equation who don't even care for the show like i would see

[01:05:02] conservative guys didn't find it fun even though they agree with balladigs i'd see

[01:05:06] liberal guys who just found it for me layik but the people who does speak to i think just are

[01:05:13] reminded of how it's just there's some stuff that there really is no answer for there's

[01:05:21] and you have to just kind of keep just thinking about it processing it instead of just leaving it

[01:05:29] to the viewer to decide yeah exactly this isn't like the office where it's pretty clear god who the

[01:05:37] villains are but everyone's oblivious oh of course i'm just kidding

[01:05:43] i like like uh like we've said a couple times layers upon layers with 24 years layers never knew

[01:05:50] you never knew who's gonna pop up next or or be a mole or one such

[01:05:56] you can kind of get a fill of people who if there's anything tv people love more than anything it's

[01:06:02] working with other famous tv people and so when you see a show that is so clearly inspired by

[01:06:08] kind of another show is depleted like i would see the unit guys put each other any tutors

[01:06:13] independent movies but with 24 i will definitely just everyone's will see kind of a

[01:06:18] a federal agent show or a guy on the edge who's one step away from a being fired and prosecuted

[01:06:25] you know i just want to get that kind of same gist and i don't know if it's just how they frame all

[01:06:30] these what-inducing moments or what but once again man it was the treat how many back on

[01:06:37] oh it's fun to be in back on it again but when there's so many bad guys in there are so many villains

[01:06:43] in a tv show that has spanned nine ten seasons for 10 years or whatever it's it's difficult to

[01:06:49] kind of re re-remember some of those moments or some of the memory we watch it we still have to be

[01:06:54] a little careful we're like wait a second you know yeah because it's like when i was rewatching

[01:07:00] season eight with Katie Sackoff i'm like oh that's right she's the she's the bug so it's like

[01:07:09] it's so it's fun you know that's why it's always fun to go back and rewatch those seasons those

[01:07:16] episodes because it would tell how many twists and turns 24 has i mean a lot of other shows have

[01:07:21] done it too but you just kind of forget about them at times as well so it's so much to take in

[01:07:27] not exactly a lot to take in and but that also goes back to the writers and the creators as well too

[01:07:34] it's like you you know made all these characters come into a show all these different villains all the

[01:07:40] all of even the good characters too it's like i mean to write that many characters into a show it's

[01:07:47] just amazing so this one the Star Tracks and even Ted Lasso i just love revisiting the seasons because

[01:07:54] there's so much to grab onto unlike other shows where you can pretty much do an hour and you've

[01:07:58] covered most of the bases it says a lot yeah showers like you can revisit so many aspects of it

[01:08:04] interview all these people one of your even more people yeah exactly i couldn't imagine doing like a

[01:08:11] breakdown episode for like a show like 24 now you know it's like it's like 24 episodes the break down

[01:08:18] but it would be you would still want to even just layer even the seasons yeah exactly

[01:08:25] like this is what's going to happen between episodes one or this is what happens between one

[01:08:28] episodes one and four one and six or whatever so yeah so because it's like with working with

[01:08:36] the so many shows pot or website and podcast people it's like we only break down one episode

[01:08:42] but it's 10 episodes a season so it goes by really fast so so trying to break down 24 episodes

[01:08:48] of a show would be that'd be a lot of homework

[01:08:52] well as many plot twists is what the some shows have it's pretty fun it would be fun to dive into

[01:08:59] something like that though too but oh don't worry a lot of homework but i appreciate you have me on

[01:09:04] again anytime who is good talking to you and hopefully we can talk talk more 24 down the road

[01:09:11] oh yeah and we'll get plenty of others on your tune this but what we'll keep doing polls is like

[01:09:16] so just what uh patreon sounds like a good idea until you see people kind of fun and around

[01:09:22] with it is like hey we want to give you a deliberate late bad movie we know you won't like

[01:09:25] is like no let's let's just do a blind pick on movies and shows like you know someone wants to talk

[01:09:32] about but doesn't get discussed enough exactly exactly now keep bingeing the streaming networks plenty

[01:09:42] of fun stuff this year on apple and hulu and screen box has taken off too i've plot all these guys

[01:09:50] well i chose to watch yeah no shortage

[01:09:55] no never is it well maybe there will be a shortage coming up here soon with the writer's

[01:09:59] straight going on but hopefully it doesn't slow things down too much you know you're

[01:10:04] you're down the road hopefully thanks given man hopefully fingered cross because

[01:10:09] with uh favorite shows that are out there you always hope that the actors get back to work and

[01:10:14] getting back to making more content for for fans and everything so thank you ever so much man

[01:10:24] this was just it never gets old no definitely like i said i i'm due for another 24 rewatch because

[01:10:32] i gotta take some notes for certain things uh oh i appreciate you telling me on again thank you

[01:10:41] anytime good luck to the next one right see you later we will keep bugging

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