HBO World Premiere Movies & Edgy Post-70s Cinema (with JJ & Tom!)

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[00:00:27] [SPEAKER_11]: I do kind of miss those days, too. We're half the time in Premiere on HBO and then you see it at Blockbuster two months later.

[00:00:47] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, and I think the one thing that gets me now is like a lot of this stuff is lost to time because you know of the day and age we're in.

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, unless you videotaped it, you didn't know. You can get this stuff on DVD or if you go on a certain website which I will not mention out loud.

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_13]: You can watch the movies, you know the Emmanuel movies. They're out there.

[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_13]: They're out there. You just have to look where they are and stuff like that.

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_13]: I just think about it as like these little capsules of time where we didn't have to worry about, you know, maybe I think it's pre-age.

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_13]: It was, yeah.

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, there was no, you know, there was this enjoyment. I think the one thing that got me was like, if you watch it, it's like, you know, there's this enjoyment of the sex in the Sylvie Preston movies, you know, where she likes to be, not taking advantage but she's exploring who she is as a woman.

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_11]: It was also just fun. Just like no one got hurt and then I think by the 90s it got really gross with just people coming up with basic instinct knockoffs and you're like, oh, shut up.

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, you know, it was like, you know, it used to be just funny, you know, just kind of fun now. You're adding all this shit that really doesn't make any sense.

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, I think that speaks to all the aspects of what's going on with these days. You get something that hits really well and then you say, you know what, let's do 50 more.

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_12]: And sometimes you're going to hit more time to get a miss.

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_12]: And then after a while, people just kind of get so far away from the original source material that you lose the charm of it.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, it was cute the first 20 times.

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, and I've seen it with movies. I've seen it with television shows.

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_12]: Or when they try to say, we like the idea but we want to make it more modern.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_12]: And by making it more modern, they're adding in more drama and less of what came with the original.

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_12]: And in doing so, like I said, you dilute the product at the point where anybody even associated with it, even if it was something that when it was good, it's going to take the rest of their career.

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_12]: You're in this movie and there's also kind of relate to this movie that really, really sucked in the same kind of genre.

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_12]: So therefore you have to be careful or this is the only thing you know that we know you can do.

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_12]: So instead of getting...

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_11]: Siddharth is kind of weird in that he's kind of an 80s Michael Bay.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_11]: He is coming out.

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_13]: I wouldn't say he's Michael Bay. He's like a cross between Michael Bay and...

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_11]: I realize he's low budget.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, he's low budget but there's a part in Heart Ticket to Hawaii where the guy tapes like the fucking...

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_13]: He has razor blades to the Frisbee.

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_11]: Yes, and then it's like an explode.

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_13]: That's just a great fucking idea, you know.

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_11]: It makes you wonder what was going on inside his head.

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_13]: I got a great idea. Let's take razor blades to the Frisbee and he just cuts the guy's hand off.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, that's a great fucking idea, you know.

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_11]: No one told me no.

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_13]: He got Darby Hinton to be in Tennessee Buck.

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_13]: Yes.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_13]: The guy who was in here comes the brides.

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_13]: He gets to be in that movie and I'm like, you know, I'm like Jesus Christ, please stop now.

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_13]: Please stop while you're ahead.

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_11]: Poor old David Keith.

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_11]: He is the best movie actor ever.

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_11]: He will be in stuff where you're like, you deserve so much better and you just always can tell when he's just...

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, he's in it.

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, David Keith...

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_13]: No, I'm thinking Keith David.

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_13]: David Keith, I remember being in a show called...

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_13]: What's the one...

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_13]: There was this one TV show it only...

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_13]: It only debuted one time and then they pulled it where he was like in a college.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_13]: What?

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, it was like...

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_13]: David Keith.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_13]: He broadcasted after the Super Bowl.

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_13]: I'm trying to think what it was.

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_13]: That's probably why it didn't do well.

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_13]: Oh shit, what was it?

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_13]: People got to stop doing that.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, it was so bad.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_13]: I mean it was like Animal House, Brothers and Sisters and then this show.

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_13]: Was it a hard ball?

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_13]: Delta House?

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_13]: No, not Delta House.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_13]: No, it was Brothers and Sisters was on NBC.

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_13]: Delta House was on ABC.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_13]: And this was on CBS.

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_13]: And he's like...

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_13]: It was like the world's worst premise.

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_13]: And I'm sitting there and I'm like, okay, you played the beginning now.

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_13]: 86 that, you know.

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_13]: He's just one episode.

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, we pulled it after one episode.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_13]: What was it called?

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_13]: But you think about it too.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_13]: It's like all these soft core movies were like little time capsules of what was going on in the world.

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_13]: The hardcore shit was different.

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, those were only meant to be at Drivens and then they would often when they wanted the money on the side, they would re-edit them under a different name.

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_11]: Give it a name before bloggers do that.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_13]: I remember Ursula Andrews doing a movie called The Sensuous Nurse.

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, right?

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_13]: And it was playing at a drive-in.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_13]: I think somebody, some guy was talking about this.

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_13]: He's like, my dad and me live next to a drive-in and we were watching Ursula Andrews.

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_13]: My dad was like, his room was like right by the drive-in.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_13]: Those Bond girls, man.

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_13]: And she's like, they're playing like The Sensuous Nurse and like all of a sudden he looks at it and she's personally understanding that like practically naked.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_13]: And his father goes, what are you doing?

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_13]: He's like nothing, nothing, nothing.

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_13]: Put that shade down, you know.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_13]: But like, I've always cracked up about like, you know, the movies that came out like, you know, Four Tigers in the afternoon and that was a movie.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, yeah.

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, it was like just like, oh Jesus Christ, you know.

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_11]: What is going on?

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, tonight.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Raw.

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Seductive.

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[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_13]: What is going on with this movie?

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_11]: You know, it's about a guy who does stuff like that and those can be very boring sometimes where you're like, what is happening?

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_11]: All this footage.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_13]: Hey, hey, at least it wasn't Salo, you know.

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, that is true.

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_11]: You know, I don't think I've gone for so long and I don't intend to.

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh man, why do you think people are now comfortable talking about this stuff?

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_11]: Because it seemed like there's still a bit of taboo.

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_11]: Like you had that in like three ratings on cassettes and CDs too.

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_11]: You know, the explicit rating.

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_11]: People just needed a warning as to what kind of musician they were listening to and you kind of get that with some of those movies.

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_11]: Even though you had all the warning in the world on the TV guides and everything, there was always someone surprised like, oh.

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_13]: I kind of scratch my head.

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_11]: I see adults do this too.

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_11]: I have one dumb cousin who takes my aunt to a few movies.

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_11]: I don't know why she doesn't when she doesn't have good hearing, but lo and behold, half the time they walk out of today's movies.

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_11]: There's like, well, you had every warning in the world.

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_11]: There was an R rating on the trailer.

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_11]: Yada, you knew what you're getting into and why did you take her to that?

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_13]: Well, the one the one that I was cracked up about is my mom telling me that they took my grandmother and my aunt B to see Midnight Cowboy.

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, what a heavy movie.

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_13]: My aunt B was very progressive.

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_13]: She's like, I want to see Midnight Cowboy.

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_13]: And my mom goes, you know what it's about.

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_13]: Don't you?

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_13]: My grandmother who was very prude.

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_13]: I don't think she was prude.

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_13]: I think she was like, she's like, I don't know if I want to see this, you know, so they go see it.

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_13]: People selling their bodies, but it's a good movie.

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_13]: And my grandmother and my grandmother might be and my mom and her cousin were there and they were like two little school girls, diggling, you know, like, like, you know, and my mother's going, Mom, stop it.

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_13]: You know,

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_13]: Oh my God.

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_13]: They must have been prude by some other people in the audience.

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_13]: They're a strong buck Joe Buck.

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, pray with me Joe buck, pray with me.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_13]: For anybody who gets that that's John McGyver doing the guy who's you know in the hotel, you know,

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_13]: Oh my God.

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, yeah.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_13]: For anybody who's a Gilbert Gottry fan, guys just did my John McGyver impression.

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_13]: Everything must be ship shape and ready to go.

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_13]: Got a strong back Joe buck.

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_13]: I do this sometimes when I'm at work, I'll be like, I'll be like, you're gonna pray with me Joe buck.

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_12]: Now you got me thinking of Brian blessing.

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just got to have a golden.

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh man.

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_13]: Oh Jesus, I was like,

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_13]: I was trying to think about like, you know, you know, all in those movies came out, you know, you know, midnight cowboy and I'm trying to think what else, you know, came out that time, you know,

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_11]: And that was a good level. That's a good segue because like those were movies where you had to remind people, hey, they got that rating because of the content, you know, it just it was for the range board.

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_11]: It wasn't because it was pornographic. It was, I mean Robocop. Come on.

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_11]: And Scarface, I'm sure you've heard the story of Brian De Palma submitted the first cut again after he benched at the ratings board saying see you guys can't even tell the difference. You're just so cynical.

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_11]: I just two little parts out and that was it.

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, and literally all he did he like maybe cut a frame away and like change made the score less intense and made no difference in what they rated it. They were just again, it was like you say that was post AIDS and then they're getting into them.

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh my God, they're struggling like well, this is an adult movie. It's drug dealers mean whatever.

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_11]: Would you rather they just hug the entire movie.

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_13]: Would you rather they be quiet.

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_13]: Would you rather would you rather they both have one foot on the floor, or you just defended by the Cuban accent what's going on here.

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_13]: That's the thing that's the thing when like they were shooting these movies like these soft core movies you know my father was make the joke give me the good old days where both people had one foot on the floor.

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_13]: I always thought about that, you know.

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_13]: I always used to think about that you know it's a good no they used to do that in order to be in bed in a 1940s movie during the Hayes coat. Both people had to have one foot on the floor.

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_11]: So, oh yeah. Okay, that.

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_13]: Okay, so they did. They did this thing on Saturday Night Live when Hugh Hefner was hosting it's the Hayes.

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_13]: It's Bill Murray and Lorraine Newman playing.

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_13]: Carrie Grant and Catherine Hepburn.

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_13]: Sam goes on their foot and they're like, Oh, oh, oh, yes, yes, yes. Oh, you just see the feet like moving like up and down. Oh God I was laughing hysterically when they did that.

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, and my father was like, No, they actually did that. If you watch any movie, like the thin man or something that one foot on the floor.

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, can't.

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_11]: It's like only uncertain times could you like allow them the woman to be in his arms or something.

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_13]: I'll tell me you love me tell me I'll tell you when I love you when I feel like it you know, you know, but you know I think the thing that gets me the most now is like, you know,

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_13]: Midnight Cowboy all these you know they were you know it broke the barrier for the X rated movie, you know, to come up with Schlesinger. You know if you think about what's the only thing that's, you know, there's nothing very vaguely sexual about that movie I just watched it a couple weeks ago.

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_13]: I don't, there's nothing you know, I think the only thing I do remember is him getting gang raped by the by the fucking rednecks in his town or something like that.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_13]: But that's all I remember.

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, but you know, but the red oh and the scene where he gets blown by Bob Ballaban in the movie theater.

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_13]: And the thing that cracks me up is Bob Ballaban's grandfather was the guy owned Lowes cinemas I think. I think so.

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_13]: And he's like, what are you doing in this scene? He's like, well grandpa, I'm not really doing what I'm doing. I'm just, he says I don't want to see it ever again.

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_13]: This movie is not being played in the cinema.

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_13]: And you know, that's the thing. You know, it, you know, there was there was movies that were breaking the barrier so to speak. And a manual kind of went, you know, all right if we're going to break it, break it wide open.

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, let's show let's show a woman enjoying herself.

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, with a man with a woman with her, you know, with two guys with an entire soccer team with a nun, you know, you know, with a penguin. I don't know, you know, you know, and I think the thing that gets me the most is like the sensationalism of it was so big but it was so small, you know, it's like you look at

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_13]: it and you know, like a manual playing for 20 weeks at this cinema. And then you then you look at it and you're like, why was it there for 20 weeks? Yeah, good question.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_11]: But it also is funny how I mean, I think the remasters have taken longer not just because people still like to be prudes and you know act like this is all taboo but it's also just interesting seeing how like there's so many different just like how there's

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_11]: hard and soft versions of these movies. There's also just like some that are in just bad quality and sometimes like you said, like there's versions that the one with the best quality has the worst dubbing slash a lot of expo dumps.

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_11]: So it's just like, I'm sure it's like a nightmare just getting all these people to have to stitch all these, you know, film reels together.

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_13]: I always want to say this it's like the guy editing this movie was probably gone. Okay, cut that scene put that there put that.

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_13]: And the trick is with with soft core movies you can't show penetration. Yeah, you can't show that so what they do is they do this trick where it's the guy will let the woman will be on the guy.

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_13]: And they'll get him.

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_13]: They'll get him when he's flaccid or he'll have something over him that we can't see like a piece of material.

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_13]: But I remember one time I was watching a movie, a soft core movie.

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_13]: And I just saw the material and I went there goes the imagination right there, you know,

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[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm kind of still floored by you know the whole of me getting back to a manual still floored by it, you know, and your, your, you know, when I mean look at our chat when we were prepping for this we had a few other people sharing some very awesome trivia different

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_11]: posters and we still had a bunch of people just leave the group they're like we're on a work computer I'm like oh for God's sakes come on.

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_11]: Jesus, it's not that I don't want to get in trouble.

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_11]: I don't want to get in trouble is your only in trouble is your spouse looking over your shoulder what's going on here.

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I think the one thing that gets me is like, I've always been kind of like thinking to myself alright, this kind of opened my mind to sex.

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, you know, I think let's be honest here we all we all were, you know, getting ideas, you know, and thinking about funny, you know, funny, funny, funny, funny.

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, that looks that funny.

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_13]: Um, how it was for us growing up in that you know, we were the children of that generation that saw that.

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_11]: And when we got it on Cinemax or Showtime or whatever, you know, 90s and then early 2000s.

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_11]: And yeah, what's so crazy is the whole skin max thing a lot of people said it dissolved in 2016 but I recall them they officially stopped airing that shit by 2018.

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, it was done by then I think they only had a few left to air on an HBO East would re-air they were the only one that carried over that some of that naughty shit.

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_13]: And the thing that gets me the most is when you think about it to, um, you know, DVDs were starting to replace that, you know, they were phasing him out you know I remember finding a movie called the secret of satin blue, which was a European flick.

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, yeah, you know, just this pair of panties like, you know, like, you know, there's a picture of the traveling pants.

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_13]: This is the third of the traveling panties.

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_13]: Um, you know, I, you know, I just kept thinking about I was like, you know, Jesus Christ, this is a piece of shit, you know, you know, you know, this is, you know, it's 1970s.

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_13]: And I think it gets me like, you see the women there, you know, they have like nice breasts and you know, they're not too big. They're not too small. They're just right.

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_13]: You see the guys they look like, you know, they still have the haircuts from the 60s and you know, they, they, you know, they're kind of punchy a little bit, you know, and you know, there's the one guy who looks good but secretly I think you know he was just there as I can't.

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, he's like, you know, so here's scenario like, you know, one guy, you know, they probably yellow teeth from smoking, you know, and it's like, it's like, oh, they look so Jetson had bullshit.

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_13]: They all smell like freaking, you know, garbage probably.

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_13]: Probably.

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, and I said, I said, I said this before and I'll say this again. It's like, I've tried to get my mind around what was going on. And you know, I think about the time that it was 7374757677, you know, it's that era of freedom that I think the world had.

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_11]: I think so, dude, because like, getting on to the earlier point, I mean, I see a lot of these HBO world premieres, like they have the time that was the marketing thing is like SC9 HBO.

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_11]: And so you would use that to shift that independent movie. A lot of them start all kinds of actors, Lou Diamond Phillips, Martin Van Peebles, Martin Sheen, Kiefer.

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_11]: And I think what was really cool about them is half the time they would then premiere at a festival. Now you can't do that. Like festivals are very greedy is like you got to market your movie under alternate names, they got to be the first one to air it.

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_11]: They, it can have been seen anywhere else. And I find that just kind of a lost.

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_11]: That was also kind of a fun just kind of freedom thing where it's like, well, it's satellite that's with, you know, the FCC can't get involved in it.

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_11]: They still got they still want an essence of quality to it, but there's going to be times where they get just flat out edgy is like just do it because it's different.

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_11]: Let the dominoes fall where they do.

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_13]: Let let let the, you know, and I think the one thing that gets me to is like there was such word of mouth of it back then.

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_13]: It really was.

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_13]: And it was word of mouth.

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, I saw the greatest thing last night. I don't remember the name of it, but it was wonderful acting rich dialogue.

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_10]: And, you know, it was a very great kid.

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, it was not as hell. I made sure the wife was out of town.

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_13]: Jesus Christ, the wife jerked me off five times during the movie.

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_13]: And the sad, the sad thing was the guy in the list was going who's hitting me in the back of the head.

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_11]: I still see people trying to correct me even at just like stupid get togethers where they've already said all the seven dirty words and everything.

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm like, guys, it's 2024.

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_11]: What's going on here?

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_13]: Here I'll just say right now.

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_13]: Cunt. All right. Cunt. Cunt. Cunt.

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_11]: So women can say it like an eye.

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, yes. But John a vagina.

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_13]: The John.

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_13]: But sex.

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_13]: the thing I like, like, you know, I remember my mother getting upset that someone said the word cunt in a movie one time.

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_13]: I was watching this movie.

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_13]: This English guy goes, she's a fucking cunt.

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, no, it was I was listening to Derek and Clive.

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_13]: The Peter Cook, Dudley Moore thing.

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, that they did.

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_13]: And they said they said she's a real fucking cunt and she and my mother went what are you listening to I'm like, Derek and Clive.

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_13]: She's like, Peter Cook and Dudley Moore.

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_13]: They went in the studio and they just cut this album of like really dirty humor.

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_13]: And my mother's like, did they say that?

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_13]: I'm like, yeah.

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_13]: I said, mom, it's hilarious when you listen to it.

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_13]: And I would sit there and I'd sit there and I'd sit there in my job.

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_13]: And this woman was being like really nasty one time I said, that fucking.

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_13]: Just like in that really like, you know, you know, English accent.

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_13]: And, you know, that's the thing back then, you know, you had to be careful with what you say but in these movies, you say what you want.

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_13]: You can't say what you want, but you know, and that's what gets me, you know, now.

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_13]: Now it's like, you know, I'm just like, I'm trying to figure out where what how, you know, people today they're very like, we'd appreciate it.

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_11]: I mean, it was an interest so fast too.

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_11]: Like, I think it's worse than the 2000s like when I was growing up, I loved all eras like I loved all kinds of stuff.

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_11]: But I think that was where it set in the stuff that was new was still not quite there yet or kind of more based on the style I was trying to imitate like matrix type bullet time or just have loud music that didn't really help the

[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_11]: movie or show. And but by the 2010s, it was just so intolerable for me just there's clickbait everywhere. There's, you know, you still have it is like, oh, I can't stand this movie or I love this movie.

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_11]: I need to go to a, you know, clickbait website that has 10 reasons why it's good or why it sucks. I'm like, well, you should be able to use your words by now instead of just being stuck up on whatever running tomatoes said,

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_11]: especially when I had numerous scandals involving fake reviews.

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_13]: But I mean, the thing that gets me the most is, you know, the movie was well reviewed by a lot of people and you know, they knew like it.

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, a lot of people were like walking on the movie. I remember like people walking out of personal best hearing about that going. It's about what?

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, doubly more and Eddie. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Personal best was about lesbians. Oh, the Robert Towne movie. Yes, with Scott Glenn and Maryland Hemingway. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_13]: That's a good movie. But yeah, it's a great movie to watch.

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_11]: But talk about rumors and everything like you saw that even with some Oscar bait movies once in a while where the shocking plot to us was kind of all it had going for it.

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_13]: Death trap was like death trap was the biggest shot. Michael Winterfilm. Yeah, where you find out I was in the movie theater and my father took me to go see it because I loved Christopher Reeve.

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_13]: I love Superman. My dad takes me to go see him there with my with me, my my dad, my sister and my brother-in-law and that scene comes where they kiss each other and they go Superman's gay out loud.

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_12]: I could have looked at that as a Batman band.

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_12]: No, but I think I think the point is that society has gotten to the point where what was shocking and taboo and risque yesterday.

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_12]: Right now.

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, yeah, when you've seen too much of it and I see that too where people will be like, Cam, why did you hate this movie?

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm like, well, because I've already seen like the last dozen psycho fillers financial gambling mystery is like they it's all variations of the same thing from like the last four decades.

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_11]: So I'm just like, yeah, you're going from.

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_12]: Oh my God, there are two lesbians on the screen. They're kissing to.

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_11]: So why but then to piggyback on that, I'm now even seeing people bash some of other movies that they're like, oh, it's really not all that edgy by today's standards.

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm like, no, it kind of is because it is.

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_13]: There's a movie that came out 50 so she's a 60 some of years called the Children's Hour about with Shirley MacLean and I forgot who else was in it.

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_13]: And oh, yeah, the little girl uses the two teachers of being lesbians.

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, and it's all a lie and the one girl kills herself over it.

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_13]: What a and that was that was really shocking.

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_11]: Well, and William Weiler, you know, he has that stage play and aesthetic.

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, reserved but also very real.

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_11]: And yeah, I think if you did that now people would be wanting to overmarket it catered to a kinky crowd and it's like no, it doesn't merit that it's very heartfelt but emotional tragic drama and the tragic drama I think is also hard to market how much of it is just a good actor.

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_11]: And you'll never see this fucking movie again versus it is very well made.

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_11]: It's just a lot to take in.

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, and it's like I love that episode of extras were Kate Winslet's joking is like the either got to play, you know, Holocaust victim or one of the AIDS.

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_11]: And sure enough, she did one of the two and one in Oscar.

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_13]: The thing I always love is like, you know, nobody talked about certain things. I mean the 70s kind of like, you know, blue things up like you got to think to you know, the sexual revolution, you know, you had the boys in the band, which is a great movie to watch.

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, you had, as I said, you know, personal best. You had, I'm trying to think what else was at that time, making love, which is about gay a gay relationship.

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_11]: And you know, and you know, the thing was cinema was opening up more of the doors to what was, you know, like it, no one was forcing you to stay and then it's like yeah by once you get the 80s.

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_11]: And then the Reagan politics and then well, studios refusing to let your movie be over three hours after the Heavens Gate argument. It's just well there's the back there's the backlash of the one song Williams movie William Friedman, William Friedman cruising.

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, yeah, which which I think almost killed Al Pacino's career.

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_11]: Well, I remember help that they weren't getting along and they had different takes on what the premise was so it is kind of not only that.

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_11]: But the New York.

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_13]: Gay community, some sort of gay coalition or something like that basically was you know,

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_11]: That's a good predecessor to today's world where now you see all right guys rolling movies.

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, it comes out and show to show you know, a leather bar.

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, to show a guy, you know, you know, the scene with the waters, you know, the with the handkerchiefs and shit like that.

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, for you an old school conservative, but he meant well like he wanted to just show an actual scene and show the audience why I mean he has so several douchey potentially crooked cops in that movie showing their views to

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_13]: Then they did another movie after that called Partners with Ryan O'Neill and John Hurt.

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_12]: I was just thinking about that.

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_11]: I saw I saw that one still comes on Showtime once in a while.

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_11]: It's definitely a crazy one.

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_13]: It's a funny movie.

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_13]: It's a funny movie to watch, you know, but the thing is is that you know you're going to realize that was kind of like the answer to what cruising was, you know, it's kind of, you know, and then you've got the killing of sister Georgie which was a movie about a lesbian who gets murdered.

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_13]: What was the other one I keep thinking of?

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_13]: Shit, it was like it was it was there, you know, they put it out there.

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_13]: But I mean that's the thing, like, you know, all of a sudden, like, you know, you can think mainstream, mainstream Hollywood just kind of like jumped on all this with Emmanuel.

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_13]: They kind of said, All right, what's what what can we get here?

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_13]: What can we get? You know, who's got a good movie for me?

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_13]: Who's got a good idea?

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_13]: And I'm not going to say it's not in the direct.

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_13]: I'm going to say what it was back then.

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_13]: We got fags.

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_13]: Okay, let's move about fags.

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_13]: That's what I think Hollywood was doing, you know.

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_12]: Just look at the just look at the recurring joke in the policing at the blue Easter bar.

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, you know, we got we got a movie about bikes to do a movie about bikes.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, I think, you know, that's what it was, you know, what was hot at the time, you know, and I think, you know, there was, you know, here's my script is about to, well, it's a, you know, you know, I don't mean to use the word fag and bike, but I think that's how the mentality wasn't

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_13]: hot with back then.

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, definitely had a lot of them just even saying that out loud.

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_11]: Like even in the 90s, I remember several animators saying that they couldn't.

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_11]: I think the guy who created Chuckie said he had to downplay some of his stuff because some people, some of his ex were just uncomfortable.

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_11]: Just even the notion of there being a gay character making a joke is like Jesus, how do you even make any of this work?

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_11]: Well, there's a movie.

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_13]: I'm sorry, Tom.

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_11]: There's a movie called I'm sorry.

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_11]: We do this a lot back and forth.

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_12]: Take three.

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_12]: Now there was also also there was also a gay character in chat that was yeah they downplayed so much, but it's like it's so obvious.

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_11]: You're like, yeah, that's why it's how it's not just how he's talking.

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_11]: It's also just how he's looking at.

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, the whole body language thing.

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_12]: But the whole thing was that once Hollywood felt comfortable making that kind of joke, it then became the go to.

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_12]: But then now we're dealing with I think we're dealing with repercussions of that because we've treated it so lightly and in a certain way.

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_12]: Now we're now we're having to deal with some of the more complex complex act that Alan's with they're no longer punchlines.

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, will and grace be damned.

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_12]: Right.

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_12]: They're no longer punchlines.

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_12]: They're actually these are actual people and they have and they have their own agency and that's I think a big part of that can go back to likely to the river Emmanuel and the second Revolution of the 70s.

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, well, and there's a movie that came out in 1970.

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_13]: 778 called the Ritz.

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_13]: Red, which was a movie that Richard Lester did it was a stage play about a guy who hides guy who's being chased and he hides in a gay bathhouse it's a comedy.

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_13]: Wow, I would read a merino.

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_13]: Read a merino.

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_13]: She I think she got nominated for a gookie go met gookie go met.

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_13]: You think I'm one of them huh.

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_13]: It's it's f Murray Abraham's in it.

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_13]: Jerry Stiller, hey ballard, Jack Weston treat Williams God bless.

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_13]: Oh we have this one shit.

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, it's one of the funniest movies I've ever seen now I didn't know what a bathhouse was.

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_13]: I'm five years six years old. I'm watching this movie because it's funny. Okay, my father tells me later says you know that movie the Ritz you saw is like yeah he's like, you know goes on in those places.

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_13]: I said no dad was like, he's like, it's where gay guys go to pick up other gay guys. I'm like, okay.

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_13]: And he's like, no, I'm just telling you what happens there. I said, did you ever go to one. He's like, No, no.

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_13]: I just know what what that is. It's a bathhouse. And I was like, Oh, okay.

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_13]: All right, cross off somewhere I'm not going to stay because if I need to phone him on the cheap you know,

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_13]: because you know, but that was the thing back then you know it was the first time they showed a gay bathhouse.

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_13]: You know what it was like in there you know,

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_11]: Well, they weren't going to be the first someone else was going to bring you know everyone out of their shells and just talk about it. And then ask you why do you think we should not be talking about it why are you just denying everyone.

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_11]: It's also just kind of.

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_11]: I mean, going back to even just yet the very notion of just discussing again, sexual content and offensive jokes or brilliantly offensive if you want to go to South Park and make C level it even just violence and just showing how people respond to drugs is like,

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_11]: everyone gets all freaked out about what they can or can't say and it kind of just reminds me of just certain kinds of comedians where it's like were you laughing with or against them.

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_11]: Not everyone seems to be in on in on the joke at the time.

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_12]: And the one thing I will say about entertainment industry as a whole is, as much as they like to think they're on the pulse of what America really wants needs. They're usually at least a good decade or so behind the actual times this reminds me

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_11]: of their in development hell for years.

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, but it also reminds me of something that happened in the 70s with Marvel Comics. They had a spider man cartoon comic that dealt with drug use but the comics code authority would not allow it because it was it was one of those things that they no longer that they did not

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_12]: allow. Yeah, so they took a chance Marvel Comics took a chance and printed it without the without the code authority seal being on it. And it was any you go to go do another link with green lantern green arrow.

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, when I was junkie. Yeah, but the thing of it was is that the entertainment industry and we can comic books didn't didn't necessarily reflect the sensibilities of a modern day.

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_12]: So that's why I think we're dealing with a shift now towards treating gay gay lesbians etc as as actual human beings instead of just the punchline of a joke.

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_12]: Right.

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_12]: You're now entering in something we were we were doing in the early 2000s.

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_13]: It's something like AIDS to swerve everybody's opinion about you know, alternative.

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_13]: What's going to happen to any of you it's not just any of you you know but it was mainly you know that the gay community that was getting hit. So I think that's where everybody around a little bit and said okay we can't do that Joe's jokes.

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_13]: We can't keep doing fear mongering. You know, I can remember a show called Brothers that was on Showtime and Philip Charles Mackenzie played Donald who was a gay character on the show.

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_13]: And I'm talking gayer than you know Rip Taylor and you know, no great.

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_13]: Paul and Paul and yeah, yeah, gayer than gay. But he was so loved by the audience, and by you know who we who we you know because he'd come out and he would just you know, he was you know I remember there was one episode he was helping the older brother who he didn't like

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_11]: you know he was kind of a foreshadowed to queer as folk and.

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, this was a comedy. Brothers was a comedy. It was part of that whole showtime with like hard not just me and the girls.

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_13]: Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but I'm saying it was like you know that's the first time you had a, I can remember a gay character coming on going, you know not going like oh look at me I was like oh hi there everybody had to be on page

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_13]: channels so they didn't have to have any politics. Yeah I don't remember. Yeah, I just I just kind of barely remember like you know, you know, doc you know of course there's Mr Humphreys from are you being served but you know I don't I don't remember them

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_13]: much in the way of lesbian characters being on TV.

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_11]: Except I'm trying to think who I mean it was kind of just movies and they like you said downplay it was an independent film.

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_13]: They downplay the lesbians if it was lesbians you know days were good with but the lesbians we don't know that much about you know, yeah, they're kind of foreign to us well they're foreign to you because you're a man.

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, you're right.

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah I can remember like just but the whole thing was the world got wide open I mean granted there was the X rated, you know, the hard core X rated community.

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, and that was something you know I'm kind of look yeah I've studied in and watched and you know, read about you know and I've been very like you know I'm friends with a few people online who did that stuff.

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_13]: And I said you know they said they said you know we it was just like any other. It was better to do that than do mainstream because at least you made more money doing that because you were busy all the time.

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_13]: And you know because you could see one person do five movies in one year.

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_11]: You pretty much got to that where it's like yeah, I've seen you before I'm not sure if that's good.

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_13]: And the thing was was that you got to think some of those actors and actresses did eventually break the mainstream I think the one, the one who you know there was Maryland chambers there's Veronica heart who did.

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_13]: Who was in Boogie nights she played a judge.

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_11]: No, I'm not shitting you.

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_11]: I remember as is this a funny it's just that unless you know it's not the many jokes that goes over.

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_13]: And I think the story of which McCall it's characters based on her.

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_13]: Her in real life because I think there was a custody battle between her and her husband over their son.

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_13]: And yeah, and that's supposedly what happened.

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_13]: But you know, the thing that gets me the most is, you know, you guys think you know, people who are, you know, X rated triple X movies, people are going there and raincoats.

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_13]: People in a manual were going there and blue jeans and t shirts you know.

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, so you gotta think you kind of like you kind of like did this little transition over this little this little wake is a little Eddie movement that went over and people are going oh it's great movie to watch it's artsy it's you know it's.

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_13]: And then you had the brain.

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_13]: There was the grind house one where everybody's going Oh it's a great story and action and adventure you know it's not just fucking you know.

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_11]: It's art.

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_11]: My dad and I would always joke about that when we'd see a movie, you know, our PG their thing that had someone like Holly barrier Charlie's there on really like it's them.

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_11]: Therefore it is art.

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_11]: It's not.

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I mean I just, I can't.

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_13]: I can't, I can't see a world where, you know, we got exposed to this stuff through cable.

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_13]: We're not degenerates. Well, most of us.

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_11]: You report yourself.

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_13]: You know we're not degenerates.

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_13]: We didn't turn out bad, you know granted you know we did.

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, yeah, I'm not going to say it, you know I'm not ashamed to admit it but I'm not gonna say it.

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_13]: Um, set the VCR up and you know, create a God dad doesn't walk in on you.

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm watching Johnny Bravo.

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_13]: What are you watching?

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_13]: What are you watching the waitlifting competition or your pants down around your ankles.

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_13]: I had it on my ass.

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_13]: Got a boy on my ass dad I don't know what the hell happened.

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_13]: Um, but I can make a joke about that.

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, I just joke around about that but you know, I remember one time I walked in my dad.

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_13]: No, we're totally on trial here being judged.

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_13]: I'm just kidding.

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_13]: You want you want to know something funny?

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_13]: I come home from work when my dad is sitting there and now my dad was in his 70s right.

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_13]: He's sitting there he's like where's mom is she's like what are you watching?

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_13]: He says I'm watching this movie.

[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_13]: I turn around it's an adult movie was like one of those like European adult movies.

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_13]: There's a lesbian scene going on.

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_13]: My father goes to me straight faced goes, she looks like she's going Yodeling in the canyon.

[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_11]: Wasn't he the same one who was very picky about what you watched?

[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_13]: Well, he wasn't picky.

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_13]: He was wasn't picky.

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_13]: He was picky about what I watched, you know, life of Brian and you know,

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_13]: religion but everything else.

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, everything else.

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_13]: Everything else just can't make a mockery of what I believe in.

[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_13]: I think he lightened up later, you know, but my father would sit there and be like,

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_13]: yep, she's going Yodeling in the canyon.

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_13]: I said dad, you know, it was like it was like, it was like, like Burgess Meredith

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_13]: and grumpy old men, you know, you know, that's what I swear to God.

[00:45:57] [SPEAKER_13]: I think they based I Burgess Marist character after my father because my father would be like taking the skin boat to

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_13]: the town. Hey, I'm like, my God.

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_13]: Like, you know, I was like, Jesus Christ, please.

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, but I remember him watching and he's like, you want to watch this?

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_13]: Yes.

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_13]: I'm going to go back in the bedroom and then he turns to me says, I know,

[00:46:21] [SPEAKER_13]: I know it don't work no more, but I can always, I can always dream.

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, okay.

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_13]: I really don't want to hear that.

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_13]: But I'm laughing as he says it, you know,

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_13]: and I wake up the next morning, he's like, how is that movie?

[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_13]: I said, all right.

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_13]: He's like, what do you mean?

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_13]: I said, you know, just stupid.

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_13]: What do you expect?

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, it's just a fucking porn.

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_13]: It's a soft core porno movie dad.

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_13]: That's my friend.

[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_13]: That's what I like when he said to me, I said to him, I said, you know,

[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_13]: I watched him, I watched this movie last night.

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_13]: I gave him the new music.

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_13]: That's soft portion.

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_13]: Like, when you need soft courses, you can't show penetration.

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_13]: You can hint at it, but you can't show it.

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_11]: You know, and that opened your eyes are like, oh wait, there's more,

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_11]: but it is funny how I when I describe a movie and everyone wants my opinion on it.

[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm kind of part of the crowd that goes Friday night movie or it's a Sunday

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_11]: 2am movie and not everyone gets that.

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_11]: And I'm like, well, if you know, you know, like it's just,

[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_11]: it's a film you watch by yourself or it's a good movie,

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_11]: but watch on a day where you got nothing going on.

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_11]: You're not looking at your watch, waiting for it to end.

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_11]: And you know, just and some people just don't value their time.

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_11]: They just want no distractions.

[00:47:36] [SPEAKER_11]: And I think we're even to the point now where Pete,

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_11]: we're having to even remind people about etiquette when watching a movie or

[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_11]: something and like, Hey, you know, you can boo a movie.

[00:47:47] [SPEAKER_11]: You can laugh at it if it's awful, but don't, you know,

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_11]: don't talk on your fucking cell phone during the whole thing.

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_11]: If it's really not good, like,

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_11]: or if you're reacting to something on screen, like if someone like doesn't

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_11]: awesome take down, I'm going to shout badass, but don't, you know,

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_11]: just be blabbing or feeding someone trivia during the movie where you're like,

[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_11]: dude, come on.

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_13]: Let me tell you something funny.

[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_13]: I was watching one night I watched the X-rated version of Cinderella.

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_13]: Did you ever see that movie?

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_13]: Okay. Michael Pataki, who you may remember as the bad guy in Rocky 4.

[00:48:32] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_13]: The evil general.

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_13]: He was also in Star Trek.

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_13]: He was also in Star Trek.

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_13]: He was a JC in a in the side hackers.

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_13]: Yep.

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_13]: Yes.

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, he was a director too.

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_13]: A million faces.

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_13]: Yep.

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_13]: So he gets the rights to do a pornographic version of Cinderella.

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_13]: And Cheryl Rainbow Smith is in it.

[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_13]: He was the girlfriend in laser blast, right?

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_13]: So this is a lot of, yeah.

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_13]: So I'm watching it and I'm like, I'm laughing, you know,

[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_13]: CY Richardson's in it.

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_13]: He was the boss in a dirty, in a,

[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_13]: the movie with Amelia Estimus and Charlie Sheen.

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_13]: Dirty work.

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_13]: He was the boss and dirty work.

[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_13]: He plays the fairy godfather.

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, was Norm MacDonald?

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_13]: Shoot.

[00:49:27] [SPEAKER_13]: No, no, no.

[00:49:27] [SPEAKER_13]: No, no, no, no, no.

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_13]: No, he was a different one.

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_13]: Minute work that minute work.

[00:49:32] [SPEAKER_13]: So he plays the boss.

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_13]: He plays the boss, he plays the boss in that,

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_13]: but he was also the fairy godfather in Cinderella.

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_13]: And he plays him kind of like a feminine black guy, right?

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_13]: So I'm watching this.

[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I'm like watching this.

[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_13]: I'm like, okay, this is wrong on so many levels.

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_13]: And then I find out later there's a pornographic version of Alice in Wonderland.

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_13]: And a pornographic version of Snow White, you know, and I'm thinking God if they made a pornographic version of the pit of us, you know, sleeping beauty would be 20 minutes long.

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, so who climbs in who climbs up.

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_13]: Okay, so anyway.

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_13]: And how do you fuck with your sleep.

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_13]: I'm watching this.

[00:50:13] [SPEAKER_13]: I'm watching it. It's on it's on showtime.

[00:50:16] [SPEAKER_13]: I completely wipe it from my memory, right?

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, just as well.

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, fast forward about 30 years later.

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_13]: I'm at a film festival.

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_13]: The the the ex zoom fest right in Philadelphia PA, you know, it's me my friend Humphrey, you know my wife, my friend Sean his wife were sitting in the balcony.

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_13]: Ladies and gentlemen, you're about to see the first X rated musical Michael Pataki Cinderella. I yell out, Holy shit. I saw this movie when we were in high school.

[00:50:57] [SPEAKER_13]: The whole place looks up at me.

[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_13]: And I go, No, I saw it. I really saw it.

[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_13]: And I can tell you who's in it.

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_13]: And he's like, they're like my friend Humphrey is going my friend Humphrey is laughing and my wife's looking at me and she's laughing, you know, and Sean and his wife are just looking me going like Bruno man had to yell it out loud, you know, I'm left with you.

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_13]: I'm looking at like, that's rainbow Smith that's Cheryl rainbow Smith. And they're like, who like Cheryl rainbow Smith more like libido. She was in laser blasts.

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_13]: Billy's girlfriend. You know she's the she's the dumb she's the one that's that's my friend my friend was going. Oh fuck yeah yeah yeah I remember I remember yeah yeah yeah you know, and I'm like, I remember this movie I remember it very well.

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_13]: It was they kind of cut out a lot of the dirty stuff in the preview. Okay, which they did you know so basically the preview is about 10 minutes long.

[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_13]: And basically that the plot of the movie is instead of a glass slipper she's given a great snapper.

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, yeah so you know what the prince has to do right.

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_13]: And you know just great, great fucking movie. You know, you know they're all they're writing the city of the writing. Okay, we won't give her a glass slipper will give her a really great vagina and it'll work.

[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_13]: It'll be good.

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_13]: And it wasn't pornographic at all it was just soft core, but they gave it an X.

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_11]: Just like some of these are manuals.

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_13]: And then and then later we watch a movie where a woman basically her sister is raped and what she does is she finds the guys who raped them.

[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_13]: She makes this little community community of people, she finds the guys who raped them and then she she drugs and it cuts their balls off.

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_12]: Oh yes.

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I know the name of the movie to because I watched it and I was like holy fuck this is a good fucking movie you know.

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_13]: Because it was like what we were watching high risk before that with James Brolin and Cleveland little and Bruce Davidson and James Coburn and Ernest Borgman here's a here's a quick invitation Ernest Borgman every movie's ever done.

[00:53:18] [SPEAKER_13]: What the hell are you doing. Okay.

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.

[00:53:21] [SPEAKER_13]: Um,

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_13]: So, you know, I was like, I'm the whole the whole night I'm like, I can't believe I yelled that out in the theater.

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_13]: I can't believe it.

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_13]: And then we're watching killer be killed and I started doing old Broucho.

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_13]: I started, I started like, oh, I work with Von Rudolf. I work with Von Rudolf when we were doing at the circus.

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_13]: I was stuck soup in 1933.

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_13]: Of course you had a karate team which never appeared in the movie, but he was fine.

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_13]: And back in those days you had a karate team, you're going to fight another karate team.

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_13]: And you didn't use weapons or use your hands and some guys would slap each other. These were known as slap hapies you know, um, and I had a whole team cracking up the whole time and I'm doing old Broucho.

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_13]: But yeah, I mean that's the thing you know, you watch that extra version of Cinderella okay, put it on.

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, wow.

[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_11]: Man, oh man, but these are also just kind of good lessons on back when filmmakers could find alternate ways to distribute stuff now you're kind of back to, you got to just be subscribed to like a streaming network and I feel like everyone's forgetting how

[00:54:43] [SPEAKER_11]: to do it.

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm just tired of all the physical media versus streaming wars too is like you can watch it however you want to watch it but not everything's going to get remastered the way you want it and

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_11]: once again some people are just becoming stuck up now where they don't want to be seen watching violent or sexual cinema together and like okay whatever it's it harms nobody it's just a movie.

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_11]: It's only a movie.

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_11]: It's only a movie. Yeah, it's only it doesn't have to be by Disney or Marvel for you to want to see it in the theater. It doesn't have to be an 824 disturbing horror film either it can be whatever man it's

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_13]: I just I just think I just think back then it was such an innocent time you know like if you were an adult you didn't want to admit you saw it but you did see it you know.

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_11]: I think yeah, I think even before social media I think somewhere in the 2000s people wanted to get all confrontational again is like well it used to be if you didn't like that neighbor you just didn't go and visit him.

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_11]: You let him judge you until he died on his biased household.

[00:55:58] [SPEAKER_11]: You really didn't get a shit about him did you know I didn't okay all right you know moving on instead of oh my god can you believe what he or she said about me you know at school or in social media.

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, there's a story gotta tell you guys my mother and my father one time.

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_13]: This is I think before I was born my mother and my father went to go see an adult movie.

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_13]: Right.

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_13]: Of course my father me and my mother my father they don't want to be they don't know who's in the movie theater they don't want to see recognize right.

[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_13]: So they're sitting down there my mother gets up and my father goes where you going and she goes I just want to go find something to suck on.

[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_13]: My mother, you know my father just my father just cracked up you know you think.

[00:56:45] [SPEAKER_13]: You know but you know.

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_13]: You know I just I just think it's like funny how you know you just sit there and you're like, you're trying to figure out how the hell, you know, movies were made back then how a movie gets distributed.

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_13]: How this kind of comes out of nowhere.

[00:57:04] [SPEAKER_13]: I remember the happy hooker coming out and everybody getting like freaked out about it.

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_13]: Really.

[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_13]: There's nothing you get freaked out about.

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_13]: He was so happy hooker was Vanessa red grave.

[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_13]: And then you had the happy hooker goes to Hollywood, but happy hooker goes to Washington was with Joey heathering which is a great comedy because that's one of the best lines in it with the.

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_13]: You know she says well he called a cocksucker and she, she Cameron, who was the guy who played the father on is, she camera goes, is that cocksucker one word or two.

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_13]: And what's it called the guy who played the father on a on a on a Laverne and surely goes, I think that's one word but you can't put a hyphen in between it.

[00:57:54] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, it's just the fun.

[00:57:56] [SPEAKER_13]: The happy was Washington is funny and then the happy hooker goes to Hollywood is just, you know, you just, you know, Martin best which is in it.

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_13]: I remember. Yeah, and it was Adam West and Chris lemon.

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_11]: And they had Phil silvers in it you know I remember Chris lemon is wild how he was in all these driving slasher type movies even wish master and then like after a while he kind of just gave it up to just do biographies books about his dad.

[00:58:24] [SPEAKER_11]: Well, you're a sister Cameron there's the, you know, Dr Lady from Space Mutiny and cookies to happily married to.

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_13]: I think I'm around 40 some odd years and I nine friends with Reb and I, I wish them I always wish them a happy anniversary.

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_13]: Nice.

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, because she's there they're really cool people and you got to see Cameron was kind of like the girl in the 70s because she was like in like every TV show you could think of.

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_13]: Totally.

[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, well yeah she was she was a good looking or still is a good looking woman.

[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_13]: And you know, red was doing, you know, you know that movie his with with Dirk Benedict and the Stroller Martin and then he did Captain America.

[00:59:09] [SPEAKER_13]: You know he did uncommon valor. So I mean you know any work. You know I remember I messaged him this and hey I just watched the love boat and you weren't you didn't I know you did.

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_13]: I didn't realize you worked with Gloria Swanson.

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_13]: He's like, yeah, she was greatly your work with them like, you know I was like, Oh, okay, you know, just.

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_13]: But yeah, I mean you know red, red has about that red loves the fact that, you know, Captain America and space and you've kind of brought him back into the, that's cool.

[00:59:37] [SPEAKER_13]: The swing of things you know, but you know, I, I, I, you know, again yet again, you know we gotta think you know what's just think a manual brought out the awakening of America middle class America sexually.

[00:59:53] [SPEAKER_13]: And black man was was the grindhouse.

[00:59:57] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, let's put TNA. Let's put TNA on the screen and let's let's have a good story and you know get you know what's not make it like this it's going to be totally different from that you know.

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_13]: So, um, you know that's what happened you know.

[01:00:15] [SPEAKER_11]: This has been very awesome all and what will help you start up your retro show soon.

[01:00:23] [SPEAKER_11]: James absolutely.

[01:00:25] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I got to get the microphone and everything going and then I think I'm going to try to get people on that I know and people who've been in certain industries and stuff like that you know I want to get Aaron will be Taylor and her husband on.

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_13]: For demon squad.

[01:00:45] [SPEAKER_13]: Because I'm going to say this right now.

[01:00:47] [SPEAKER_13]: Demon squad was one of these movies I saw where I was impressed with the production. I was impressed with the story with how it was filmed.

[01:00:58] [SPEAKER_13]: Super low budget, but very good to watch I think that that has become the, the favorite of the past season for mystery science theater.

[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_13]: I hope to God they do. I hope to God they do a sequel on it.

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_13]: I can get in contact with them and that both of her husband would love to probably chat with you probably because I mean, I got to do it yourself mentality do it.

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, it was a DIY mentality. It kind of reminded me what Corbin did.

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, movies.

[01:01:28] [SPEAKER_13]: What you know Robert Rodriguez did.

[01:01:31] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, what Robert Rodriguez did you know that there was no, there's no formula. There's no form is just we're going to put this scene here we're going to shoot it and then we're going to go on shoot it and go on shoot it and go on.

[01:01:43] [SPEAKER_13]: And that's the one thing I loved about it you know the story was good. The casting was good. The special effects, even for the budget were really good you know, kind of reminded me of what Supernatural was when it first started.

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I mean, if you want to even go to a phantasm kind of way is this blue collar.

[01:02:03] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, kind of like phantasm. And I just found out the guy who directed phantasm did two really good movies before that.

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_13]: There was one where Gregory Harris wasn't it where he played a guy or was it Mark Searing plays a guy who protects his little brother.

[01:02:21] [SPEAKER_13]: And then he did a kids movie called Kenny and Company.

[01:02:25] [SPEAKER_13]: Yep, which nobody's as I said, the guy directed phantasm did I still need to see it but yeah I mean, Kenny and company's a great movie to watch is just the kids. It's a kids movie.

[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_13]: And you know I could be like I could tell you about the funny thing is the one guy play the guy plays the father is the one guy who plays the guy go snooping around the mortuary and then he had Agnes Grimm in the other movie play the alcoholic father

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_13]: I think Mark singers, Mark singers character. Rest in peace. And I just watched I just watched Munchie.

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_13]: Roger Corman. Oh yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Munchie the sequel. Munchie was the sequel.

[01:03:11] [SPEAKER_13]: Steven's or Corman but yeah, yeah, they have a scene where the kids fantasizing about his funeral Agnes Grimm comes out as a cameo and I busted out laughing because he plays. He's like, Yes, this boy is dead.

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_13]: And he just putters off and I remember talking to my friend Michael like dude, that's that's that's the tall man from phantasm.

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_13]: I think he was spoofing himself. He also did another movie where he spoofed himself.

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_13]: Terry Copley. And then he does this. Are you ready boy. And awesome. It's like he's got the ball and he opens the blade comes out and they start playing baseball.

[01:03:55] [SPEAKER_13]: I forgot the movie but it was like, I was just laughing. I love to laugh that shit, you know, when someone can spoof themselves, you know, we need more of that. I feel like so many people.

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_11]: They don't know when to release all the tension on set and you just once people hear that someone's not getting along on a movie like the movies already kind of dead now it's even worse than we saw a spectacle like Waterworld where

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_11]: rumors flew and it was already dead. But now if people catch you on video just mouthing off or being a jerk, it's just people have less patience now and but I do think Don Cascarelli is going to keep doing stuff.

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_11]: You know, he's already done with his phantasm franchise. I think he keeps teasing another bubble hotel and I will check out Canadian company but I think everyone else will definitely like survival quest and

[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_11]: his master's horror episode.

[01:04:53] [SPEAKER_13]: There's a movie that George Romero did that I want to see called there's always vanilla.

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, you will love that one and he's not necessarily proud of it but it was kind of a cool movie because like for a company that was a din again producing adult features like he was able to just make a cool coming of age you know post Vietnam hippie vibe kind of yeah and coming after

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_11]: night of the living dead.

[01:05:19] [SPEAKER_11]: Well, and you know this one at the point of which which is also a very good one where it's kind of about all these guys kind of being racially segregated and kind of an elite neighborhood.

[01:05:33] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, but you can get those on anchor Bay DVD as a double feature you flip the disk and it's awesome because it comes with his stars the directors episode and yeah he explored it.

[01:05:47] [SPEAKER_11]: And I think that's the first time I've heard how these movies were again you know his way of avoiding you know making a living in between night of living dead and avoiding doing just off kilter cinema he didn't want to do like horn and yeah

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_13]: I think the one thing that gets me the most is you know you've got some guys do movies that are like John Carpenter's you know John Carpenter goes Halloween Prince of Darkness you know nobody looks at star man nobody looks at dark star nobody looks at you know assault on

[01:06:16] [SPEAKER_13]: the pre-seq 13 which is one of the I think one of the best movies of the 70s definitely a good one. Yeah, you know nobody looks at star man nobody looks at Elvis.

[01:06:24] [SPEAKER_13]: You know everybody looks at him thinking he's a hard guy. He did star man. I think basically taking over for the original director.

[01:06:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I think so.

[01:06:34] [SPEAKER_13]: And for him to do a movie like that when it said directed by John Carpenter.

[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_13]: I can remember people going holy fuck he did this.

[01:06:42] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, I remember my myself and watching going like wow John Carpenter.

[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_13]: You know,

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_13]: you know it's like that it's like that thing where your directors will do certain movies and they're not accustomed to it.

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_11]: But they bring their own little touch and then slowly finding their voice and then there's others where it's like you can tell they don't want to be here but they got to do this just so they can

[01:07:06] [SPEAKER_11]: make a buck.

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_11]: Have you guys ever seen dark star the first one that he ever did.

[01:07:11] [SPEAKER_11]: I believe so and I'm due for a rewatch when we cover it.

[01:07:15] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, I thought to be.

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I watched it.

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_13]: And I was hysterical laughing.

[01:07:24] [SPEAKER_13]: Because all I can remember is watching the one scene with the guy chasing the fucking alien around the little, the little, you know, beach ball alien.

[01:07:36] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.

[01:07:38] [SPEAKER_13]: You know just laughing hysterically, you know, and then the part where, you know, he's like he's like, you know, well, I'm not really a I'm not really pinned back I'm so and so on and like you're like thinking

[01:07:52] [SPEAKER_13]: yourself.

[01:07:52] [SPEAKER_13]: So what the fuck happened to pin back, you find out pin back killed himself.

[01:07:57] [SPEAKER_13]: And then, you know, he just he just happened to put the uniform on and went up to the perfect example about to take your student film and then make it ready for a movie theater by adding scenes.

[01:08:08] [SPEAKER_13]: And Dan and Dan O'Bannon with that script is you know, where he's like going Oh, I think we're gonna make another movie out of this and they're like,

[01:08:17] [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, what's it called? Oh, it's called Alien.

[01:08:20] [SPEAKER_13]: Just really alien.

[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_13]: What's it about? Oh, I don't know. I'm just writing it, you know, and be good to.

[01:08:26] [SPEAKER_11]: It's gonna scare the crap out of a drug.

[01:08:30] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I think that's the thing, you know, I'm going to start looking into shit just like try to figure out like, you know how this movie connects this movie connects with this movie connection.

[01:08:39] [SPEAKER_13]: Like assault on preset 13, I think is one of the best movies, but there's a movie called self defense from Canada. That's almost the same thing. You know, where it's

[01:08:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Mm hmm.

[01:08:50] [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, I don't want to say a white supremacist but it's all the siege 1983 yep. Yeah, the siege. It's called siege self defense.

[01:08:59] [SPEAKER_13]: I saw it at a movie festival. I loved it.

[01:09:04] [SPEAKER_13]: Two guys I kind of recognized were the fat guy and the nerdy guy from meatballs.

[01:09:11] [SPEAKER_13]: Spazz and Larry, I remember that old Canada baby. Yeah. And the movie is a bunch of guys are chasing down a gay guy. They they they massacred in a game.

[01:09:25] [SPEAKER_11]: And there's a witness and all this stuff that makes you realize audience thought, oh, this is just a movie. I'm like, no, there are hate crimes like this. Yeah. No one's got one.

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_13]: It was based on what Nova Scotia Police Department going on strike.

[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_13]: So there was an actual strike. So what happens is is that they they're chasing this guy he winds up in this tenement. The people take him in.

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_13]: And it's these five guys, you know, who have like your weapons and shit. And they try to take down the people inside.

[01:09:59] [SPEAKER_13]: Yep. And the people inside basically are just like, you know, okay, we got this, we got this, we got this, what are we going to do?

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_13]: Mm hmm. And it's really good. I've watched it so many times. There's a part of it in the beginning they cut.

[01:10:11] [SPEAKER_13]: It showed you, you know, how the one guy's a total dick to his wife and the other guys like, you know, just walking around with his newspaper in his hand, you know, going.

[01:10:20] [SPEAKER_13]: But it's a good movie to watch. You know, I got to I got to talk about I want to talk about that. You know,

[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_13]: we can probably find some similar. Yeah, I'm thinking.

[01:10:30] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, hell, I'm even thinking of doing some subgenres like where we take movies and then we recommend movies or shows that are very similar.

[01:10:41] [SPEAKER_13]: I'm I'm thinking about doing that when I get the podcast or I'm thinking about talking about siege.

[01:10:46] [SPEAKER_13]: Perfect. When it comes out now, I want you guys to be on it with me so promise, you know, absolutely.

[01:10:51] [SPEAKER_13]: Can only review it in advance. Maybe bring my friend Humphrey on if he wants to come on, you know, sure.

[01:11:00] [SPEAKER_11]: Find some other indie filmmakers who also might want to talk about it.

[01:11:04] [SPEAKER_11]: Just yeah, feeling mutual.

[01:11:06] [SPEAKER_11]: You know.

[01:11:08] [SPEAKER_11]: All right guys.

[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_11]: Good chat we got literally last we had about five chats and one.

[01:11:14] [SPEAKER_11]: That's right.

[01:11:16] [SPEAKER_11]: Jesus.

[01:11:17] [SPEAKER_11]: No, it's awesome. I can split it up.

[01:11:22] [SPEAKER_11]: Alrighty. Thank you all and you stay safe out there. I'm going to try avoiding the ice storm and get my resistant bands built so I can exercise inside.

[01:11:31] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, you're really good.

[01:11:33] [SPEAKER_11]: Getting nice and big and strong so you can play hercules.

[01:11:36] [SPEAKER_11]: I just want to be able to sleep.

[01:11:40] [SPEAKER_13]: I just want to fall asleep.

[01:11:42] [SPEAKER_11]: I just want to fucking sleep. I don't want to die, but I just want to get knocked the fuck out.

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