Gremlins & Critters Fan Films Review (with Good Times Great Movies! host Douglas McCambridge)

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[00:00:57] It's a plane. It's another invaluable podcast MVP who's been doing the guest star circuit. Welcome Douglas McCambridge.

[00:01:04] Thank you for having me. I teach college. So when I have off for large periods of time in the summer and then winter break, I just try and hit as many shows as possible.

[00:01:15] I try and find people that are doing things that I enjoy and that I want to be part of. So I really appreciate when I reached out.

[00:01:23] I appreciate you taking some time having me on and pitching me on a couple things that were not on my radar at all.

[00:01:34] So, I mean, we'll get into that, but thanks for having me.

[00:01:36] You did awesome. You're just in a few other talks and like that's been on the docket for a while.

[00:01:41] And finally, Cooley are not recording episodes back to back, but we totally are.

[00:01:46] You didn't need to say that, you know, it's all good. I'd let the cat out of the bag every time everyone does it.

[00:01:52] Right. What do you define as a great movie?

[00:01:55] You can have a good time with bad movies, but what's a great movie?

[00:01:59] I mean, I, the whole, the whole naming of the show is kind of a joke to itself.

[00:02:07] I mean, I'm not saying, listen, I am, I guess, technically I am an eighties kid.

[00:02:12] My, my podcast lives in the eighties. We don't do anything before 1980. Don't do anything after 1989.

[00:02:20] But you've done everything from mighty Quinn to well-known ones like real genius.

[00:02:26] And it's just interesting how exactly are always going into VHS memories.

[00:02:31] Right. And we really, I mean, our show, we don't take anything we talk about seriously.

[00:02:37] Um, even though, even if it's, even if it's a movie that we really like the premise of the show is to just kick it around and take the shit out of it a little bit.

[00:02:46] Um, we tend to land on more bad movies than good.

[00:02:50] Oh, Derek, we're looking at you. Why do you do this to us?

[00:02:53] Yeah, no, I, we just, it was, it was ill-advised. We did an entire December of Bo Derek movies.

[00:03:01] That was the mistake. And I think it's really funny. Like we've been doing the show for almost nine years now.

[00:03:08] And it's always kind of thrilling when we either find a movie we've never seen that's really great, or we kind of find a movie that may end up being the worst movie we've ever covered on the podcast.

[00:03:21] And we recently watched Bolero. That's the, that's, it's going to be hard. If we did this for another nine years, I don't know that we can find another movie that's worse than Bolero.

[00:03:33] I mean, you didn't do Ishtar. So, I mean, what was that? You didn't do Ishtar to be fair.

[00:03:39] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it was, it was, it was shockingly bad because we've done a plenty of movies that you hear are terrible and you hear like, oh, this is the worst movie ever made.

[00:03:51] And, and I think going in sometimes with that in your head, your expectations are so low. It's never that bad.

[00:03:57] This was even worse than we both thought it was going to be. So that's kind of a treat on the show when we can run into stuff like that.

[00:04:07] What have been your favorites of the many slashers, sci-fi epics and dance comedies?

[00:04:15] I mean, okay. All right. That's a good point. I mean, first of all, the horror movies. Another thing I try and do is I like to find movies that I've never seen. I've, I've watched way more movies than my co-host. She kind of goes into most of these things blind.

[00:04:33] Um, so it's tough for me to sometimes find stuff I've never seen and all the horror stuff I've seen before when we do our month of horror in October or just scattered throughout the year.

[00:04:43] Um, hi Jamie. What was that? Hi Jamie. Right. So when we do that, I, I kind of, I mean, I picked the movies anyway. So for those things, I kind of always choose stuff that I personally like or stuff that I know we can have a good time talking about.

[00:05:00] I will say a couple of years back, a movie that I'd never seen. I'd seen all the memes. I had never seen vampires kiss before. I had never seen that Nick Cage performance. And it was an absolute delight that that thing is amazing.

[00:05:20] Nice. But, but no, no, I mean, you know, I'll, I don't know, like, like breaking, breaking should not be a good movie.

[00:05:29] It should not be a movie that we had any fun with, but I think that's, that's kind of the fun of the podcast that we do, you know, digging up these movies that I'd never seen or going into a movie like Yentl being like, well, I, there's no way I'm going to enjoy this.

[00:05:44] I kind of totally dug it. Like I kind of, it totally snuck up on me and I was like, oh, I didn't know this was kind of a, like a gay subtext type movie.

[00:05:55] I, I just thought it was a stupid, like silly Barbra Streisand Jewish musical, I guess. And it is, that's what it is, but I don't know. There's layers. And when I get to talk to someone else about it, we can kind of dig around and find things that are great about terrible movies and things that are kind of terrible about great movies or movies that people always talk about as being great.

[00:06:20] Perfect. Yeah. I mean, and it is fun just seeing if they love to the hype, all the many, my favorite years, flash dance, enemy mind. It's like, well, and then you're seeing people say, oh, I love that. And I'm like, well, yeah, but you were the HBO, you know, renting store generation, not the people who didn't go see it in the theater and it flops.

[00:06:39] Right. Right. No, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And I think a lot of times with movies, you know, you go back and you think of movies that you saw when you were a child or in your teens or even in your twenties, things like that. I mean, sometimes revisiting those is rough.

[00:06:56] Yeah. It's either really rough or you're so wrapped in nostalgia that you can't see it for the piece of garbage that it actually is.

[00:07:04] Oh man. And the worst part is when you're introduced in these movies and I'm like, yeah, but yeah, it's kind of like when you're showing them classic Andy Griffith or Star Trek, but it's like the cool stuff doesn't happen until 40 minutes in.

[00:07:18] And I can see you're going for your phone. It didn't even take a minute. And I've lost you. You're going to tell me.

[00:07:24] You know, that phone thing, that's, that's really sad. And I, I, I use it to take notes. I'm like, yeah, I can't even do that. Like I,

[00:07:33] I can't even do that.

[00:07:34] But recaps are even worse. Like I would be recapping a show and I'm not sure what's more annoying trying to find out a, not a plot hole, but just a information on like, who is that mysterious person that will be explained in three episodes down the road.

[00:07:47] But the recap people are even more impatient. They clearly want an establishment now. I'm like, it's a mystery sci-fi show. They're not going to tell, let it out of the bag just yet.

[00:07:56] And you sound like you don't even want to be doing this. Can we get someone else who actually has passion instead of clickbait articles?

[00:08:05] Oh God.

[00:08:07] I have to, if I'm watching a movie for pure enjoyment, I have to put my phone in another room because I will just, I'll go on to see what a particular actor has been in.

[00:08:21] And suddenly I look up and I have not been paying attention for 20 minutes. And I think the movie sucks. And I'm like, no, no, no, this is not the movie's fault. This is my fault right now.

[00:08:30] There are some of those where it's just like, you can't be doing two things at once. You can't be doing laundry or cooking.

[00:08:37] Yeah.

[00:08:37] There's just too many things going on.

[00:08:39] I can't multi.

[00:08:41] My wife laughs at me because if I have to talk on the phone, I have to leave the room. Like if a TV is on or someone else is in the room talking, or if there's anything else going on, I have to leave the room.

[00:08:54] I cannot multitask. It's never been a strength of mine. I, I find it crazy when people can do multiple things at one time. It's just, it's never been anything I can do.

[00:09:05] I should know that about myself. So I should have started putting my phone in, in a different room years ago.

[00:09:12] Totally. And more or less, uh, well, it brings us to these two eighties creature features. Uh, we, we, we got gremlins and the knockoff series critters.

[00:09:24] And we've done everything before we've been getting into video games, comic books, novels, and even merchandise and just reviewing and making sure it was a good use of said franchise, uh, signature.

[00:09:39] And we've done fan films before we had fun reviewing, uh, the Hellraiser and Star Trek fan films that are out there.

[00:09:46] In this case, we're just like, Hey, let's get into some one-offs. Someone, uh, in 2014 made a critters fan film and it was, can I ask you, can I ask you a question here before we, before we dig into this?

[00:10:00] Um, cause my interests and my tastes are, I mean, I don't want to say eclectic cause I don't, I don't want me to come off as, as thinking that, you know, I'm any different than anyone else out there.

[00:10:12] But, uh, I'm a big horror fan, love horror films, love cheesy garbage, trash horror films.

[00:10:18] Um, but I will also swing so wildly in the opposite direction.

[00:10:23] And I've watched more films in, you know, that were made in the 1940s last year than, than a lot of people have ever watched in their entire life.

[00:10:32] These fan films, they're so not on my radar.

[00:10:36] Like I kind of knew they were a thing, but until I watched these two, I don't think I have ever seen a fan film in my life.

[00:10:43] Is this something that you're, yeah.

[00:10:45] Is this something you're familiar with or?

[00:10:48] Yeah.

[00:10:48] I guess my other thing for a while since the beginning of the internet.

[00:10:50] Okay.

[00:10:51] My other thing is what is, I hate saying what's the point of them, but is, are these young filmmakers trying to break into the business?

[00:11:01] Are these, they seem like way more than, you know, student projects or something like that.

[00:11:07] To show you can do a better job than the ones, the professionals with money.

[00:11:11] And yes, it's something for your sizzle reel.

[00:11:13] Okay.

[00:11:13] All right.

[00:11:13] Yeah.

[00:11:14] I was, I was very curious because I was, I was expecting, I was, I was expecting really, really horrible shit.

[00:11:24] And, and both of them were like both of them.

[00:11:27] And again, it might be that thing where I went in with such low expectations that I was just anything that, that felt competent was going to seem good to me.

[00:11:37] Um, but when I watched these, I was like, okay, these, I would never like shit on people unless I, I would, I would give you a disclaimer warning, you know, deep hurting.

[00:11:48] No, I, I mean, and come on, what are these like 10 minutes each?

[00:11:52] Come on.

[00:11:53] I, I can, I can suffer through most anything for 10 minutes.

[00:11:56] It's fine.

[00:11:57] I've had root canals before.

[00:11:58] It's okay.

[00:11:59] Oh, yikes.

[00:11:59] But I was, I was, I was really, I was really surprised by how polished these were.

[00:12:07] And it kind of opened the door where I was like, oh, well, these are a thing.

[00:12:11] And these are things that people know about.

[00:12:12] Like, I am not a, the one thing that I'm not is I'm not up on pop culture.

[00:12:20] Like I really don't follow pop culture and I don't follow.

[00:12:26] Like I said, if people do like, I don't, I don't watch movie trailers.

[00:12:30] It's nothing.

[00:12:31] I mean, I rarely go to see movies in the theater.

[00:12:34] My wife doesn't like the same stuff as I do.

[00:12:37] I don't really have any to go with.

[00:12:40] So I kind of just, I don't know.

[00:12:43] I, I watch my friends pressing pressuring me to see a a 24 ship show that makes me just

[00:12:50] get angry.

[00:12:51] Uh, every other Christopher Nolan movie seems to feel like a bad twilight zone episode to

[00:12:54] me where I'm like, what was the point?

[00:12:56] That plot twist ruined everything.

[00:12:58] And, uh, don't get me started on superheroes.

[00:13:01] I'm like enough.

[00:13:03] We've been here.

[00:13:04] We've accomplished it.

[00:13:05] It's oversaturated.

[00:13:06] There's nothing new to tell.

[00:13:08] I was, I was kind of out on superheroes very early on.

[00:13:13] I mean, there were fun.

[00:13:14] There were some that I had fun with.

[00:13:16] I, I enjoy, um, origin stories up to a certain point.

[00:13:21] So if you're talking about the first Iron Man, if you're talking about the first Captain

[00:13:24] America, if you're talking about Tobey Maguire, Spider-Man, I watched all those and I kind

[00:13:30] of had a good time, but I don't know comic books.

[00:13:33] I don't know these superheroes.

[00:13:34] That's the other thing that irks me.

[00:13:36] I'm like, and don't get me wrong.

[00:13:38] Like Rimbleds actually had a pretty cool comic book adaptation, but it does.

[00:13:43] And it just came out with a new cartoon show on HBO Max.

[00:13:46] But my, my issue is you got to take what the fans say with kind of a grain of salt.

[00:13:51] Cause half the time that, you know, they're kind of like when people adapt their favorite,

[00:13:56] you know, mystery or Stephen King novel.

[00:13:59] I'm like, well, would you have even cared?

[00:14:01] And do you not know what it was prior is like in half the time you get kind of a reluctant

[00:14:06] new and it's like, well, something's got to go.

[00:14:09] It can't be the same.

[00:14:10] You don't want it to be the same.

[00:14:12] It's a different medium.

[00:14:14] Um, uh, what, what is intriguing and insightful, you know, on 10 pages of a book would be very

[00:14:21] boring if you filmed it that same exact way.

[00:14:24] So, and well, that's a, that's another thing that, you know, and you touched on it briefly,

[00:14:29] but that's another thing that I really have a hard time wrapping my head around is the,

[00:14:35] the, the lip service to fans of certain IP and stuff like that.

[00:14:39] I mean, I, I did not enjoy the new star Wars movies, the new star Wars franchise.

[00:14:45] Yeah.

[00:14:46] You know, I heard so much about how, you know, you change things because the fans want this.

[00:14:50] I was actually one critique.

[00:14:52] I saw online.

[00:14:52] Everyone's like force of wicket looks like a very professional fan film.

[00:14:56] I'm like, that's exactly what I thought when I saw the trailer.

[00:14:58] I don't, I don't get it.

[00:15:00] I can't, I kind of can't understand that mentality from, from directors that have.

[00:15:06] And if you hate the other movies so much, you still want to give this more

[00:15:09] points.

[00:15:10] I'm like, no bullshit.

[00:15:11] Well, you don't like it.

[00:15:13] I do have to say that prequel trilogy.

[00:15:16] I think what that did was that just, it took away any expectations I had for anything afterwards.

[00:15:24] Oh no, that's fine too.

[00:15:25] But I'll see so many people.

[00:15:26] They're just like, Oh, I guess it stinks less.

[00:15:28] I'm like, well, why did it stink to begin with?

[00:15:30] But if I, I'm seeing people do it with that whole Halloween franchise and I'm like,

[00:15:35] I'm done guys.

[00:15:36] I'm done.

[00:15:36] I don't understand the difference between these new movies and that Rob Zombie remakes.

[00:15:41] I'm just thinking these are just bad.

[00:15:43] Yeah.

[00:15:44] Yeah.

[00:15:44] No.

[00:15:45] And, and I, I've, I've never felt that.

[00:15:47] I've also never felt that invested in any sort of franchise or IP to be so upset.

[00:15:54] It will go downhill eventually.

[00:15:56] It doesn't like, I don't, you know, I don't care.

[00:15:58] I enjoyed the original Halloween.

[00:15:59] I, I thought two was a blast.

[00:16:02] I, I liked how they, you know, the, the complete different thing that three was.

[00:16:06] And then I kind of, I've seen them all, but I couldn't tell you the difference between Halloween

[00:16:11] six and Halloween seven.

[00:16:14] It all just melds together into something I never want to see again.

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[00:17:43] That's the other thing too.

[00:17:44] It makes you wonder how many of those people were ruining them to death at the video store.

[00:17:49] Right, right.

[00:17:50] And that's fine.

[00:17:51] And that's it.

[00:17:52] I will never begrudge anyone their enjoyment.

[00:17:55] I would much rather have somebody talk to me about how much they like a piece of shit than how much they hate something.

[00:18:03] Like, have your joy.

[00:18:05] Like, I want people to enjoy what it is that they're watching, even if it's not for me.

[00:18:10] What stinks to us is a buffet to someone else.

[00:18:14] Hey, have a great time.

[00:18:15] And a lot of it is generational.

[00:18:17] And I get it.

[00:18:18] I'm an old man.

[00:18:19] I try not to be an angry old man.

[00:18:21] I really, really, I really try so hard not to do that.

[00:18:25] Anytime I find myself slipping into that, I kind of have to be like, no, no, no, no, no.

[00:18:29] Okay.

[00:18:29] This isn't for me.

[00:18:31] You're doing a Jeff Goldblum.

[00:18:32] No, no, no, no, no, no.

[00:18:33] Yes.

[00:18:33] Yeah.

[00:18:34] I'm not 20 years old anymore.

[00:18:35] I shouldn't even be watching this.

[00:18:37] So, oh, real quick question though.

[00:18:41] And this isn't me trying to take over your show, but what is your experience with, should we start with Gremlins?

[00:18:48] Should we start with Gremlins first?

[00:18:49] I was a school bird kid growing up.

[00:18:52] Okay.

[00:18:53] And any movie I wasn't approved to see, it would come on TV and it was modified.

[00:18:58] And it's like, yeah, cool.

[00:18:59] I love all kinds of stuff.

[00:19:01] I love martial arts movies.

[00:19:03] I love creature features.

[00:19:04] I love arthouse stuff.

[00:19:05] As long as it's got an intent and I feel like it has something to say besides beautifully acted scenery.

[00:19:13] I'm like, okay, you know, so anything from Lawrence of Arabia to The Shining, I'm down.

[00:19:18] I love all kinds of different movies.

[00:19:21] And for me, action, sci-fi and horror, you know, was kind of easier when you had, you know, Spielberg doing blockbusters like Jaws and all the Indiana Jones.

[00:19:31] You know, one of them is definitely a straight up action adventure.

[00:19:34] The other is kind of a horror adventure.

[00:19:35] And then Last Crusade is kind of a war fantasy.

[00:19:40] So it's like, yeah, I was down for that.

[00:19:43] I loved Poltergeist and Jurassic Park, the first one.

[00:19:46] And Gremlins, I pretty much, it instantly gelled with me.

[00:19:52] And so when I saw plenty of these other killer Muppet type movies, I was just like, it's just too lowbrow for me.

[00:20:00] I don't mind stuff like Chucky or stuff like that.

[00:20:05] But yeah, but Gremlins somehow it got me like I just fell in love with Joe Dante.

[00:20:10] I seeked out all his other of color comedies and sci-fi and mystery and horror movies.

[00:20:18] And I just feel like he's definitely underrated.

[00:20:20] Did you ever have this in your household and played at Christmas?

[00:20:24] Oh, yeah.

[00:20:25] I mean, the first one is amazing.

[00:20:28] I have three children.

[00:20:30] The one is a little bit too young to show Grublins at this point.

[00:20:35] Yeah.

[00:20:35] And it's not even the Gremlins thing.

[00:20:37] It's honestly the Phoebe Cates Santa Claus thing.

[00:20:41] That's the only thing kind of holding me back.

[00:20:43] I'm like, all right.

[00:20:43] So she's still a little young.

[00:20:45] I don't want Santa Claus to be ruined for her by Phoebe Cates telling her that Santa isn't real.

[00:20:51] Yeah, it's true.

[00:20:52] There is a lot of cynicism in it.

[00:20:54] But my older two, I showed it to them.

[00:20:58] They liked it.

[00:20:59] They really did.

[00:21:01] I think that this is a great, you know, people talk about gateway horror films, you know, for, you know, if you have a 10 or 11 year old or something like that.

[00:21:10] I think this is a great movie to show.

[00:21:12] This is tamer compared to other stuff, which just like, I mean, even today's cartoons are a little more vicious to where I'm like, oh my God, is that a piece of poop that's talking to someone?

[00:21:23] That's not something I want to show a kid.

[00:21:26] I mean, it's tamer.

[00:21:28] But also there are moments of intensity, you know, when he and his mom are running around and she's, you know, putting him in the microwave and the one mixer and everything.

[00:21:38] The green explosion.

[00:21:39] Yeah, those are pretty intense scenes for a kid.

[00:21:43] I remember the time Starship Troopers came out and I was like, OK, so they're worried about boobs, but not insect guts flying on the screen.

[00:21:51] What is violent nowadays?

[00:21:52] Yeah, it's pretty crazy.

[00:21:54] My aunt in San Francisco is a huge like Tolkien gal.

[00:22:01] So she introduced her kids to Lord of the Rings books and they saw the movies growing up.

[00:22:06] And, you know, we were always like, let's wait a year.

[00:22:09] You know, are you ready?

[00:22:10] OK, cool.

[00:22:11] It's going to be a Star Wars type spectacle.

[00:22:13] And OK, but it's so funny.

[00:22:15] I will get into arguments with them on this.

[00:22:17] They'll be like, oh, that episode of, you know, SVU or that one history drama is too.

[00:22:23] Intense because it's trying to be real.

[00:22:24] But Lord of the Rings is fantasy.

[00:22:25] I'm like, I'm going to argue all day that Lord of the Rings is way more intense.

[00:22:29] I don't know, man.

[00:22:30] You watch some of those SVU episodes that play on cable at 10 a.m. on a Tuesday.

[00:22:37] No, don't get me wrong.

[00:22:38] It's violent, but I know what I'm in for.

[00:22:41] Some of that stuff, I'm like, I don't know.

[00:22:42] This is pretty intense for a show that's on in the middle of the day on basic cable.

[00:22:48] But now I know what you're saying.

[00:22:49] But yeah, I just don't.

[00:22:52] I as long as I know what I'm in for.

[00:22:53] I mean, with horror, I will do anything as long as there's no torture, you know, porn element.

[00:22:58] Yeah, it's pretty rough.

[00:23:00] Yeah, action.

[00:23:01] Same deal.

[00:23:02] Like it can't be endless car chases.

[00:23:04] I have to actually.

[00:23:06] I love seeing the people get out of a disaster zone or completely agree.

[00:23:10] Fight to the death and, you know, learn, you know, I know Kung Fu, you know, and fight.

[00:23:15] But but so many people just they'll be.

[00:23:18] I think half the time people are complaining.

[00:23:20] They don't even know what's real versus what's practical.

[00:23:23] Yeah, I will agree with you.

[00:23:25] You're not going to get any argument from me.

[00:23:28] There are also people.

[00:23:29] We need more drama here.

[00:23:30] Let's argue.

[00:23:31] I'm just kidding.

[00:23:32] Take it back to Gremlins real quick.

[00:23:34] I'm just kidding.

[00:23:35] There are people that will argue that Gremlins 2 is better than the original.

[00:23:40] And I don't understand that.

[00:23:41] That is a.

[00:23:42] I rewatched the second one just in preparation for this.

[00:23:46] Just be like, you know, it's been a while.

[00:23:48] It's goofy.

[00:23:49] It's silly and it's entertaining.

[00:23:51] But I've heard people say it's better than the first.

[00:23:54] I don't get it.

[00:23:55] No, it's it's leaning too hard into the goofiness at that point.

[00:23:59] I still with even though they're little rubber monsters or little puppets, I still need some

[00:24:06] bit of threat or terror or danger.

[00:24:11] And that's why that's what I really appreciated.

[00:24:14] I think it's because they said that the first one was kind of a movie made by committee and

[00:24:19] the other one was kind of Dante making fun of the studios.

[00:24:25] The movie he wanted to make.

[00:24:26] So, I mean, it's apples and oranges.

[00:24:28] I like the comedy there.

[00:24:29] And I understand that.

[00:24:31] I don't think Dante would do this, but it felt like Dante was making fun of the original

[00:24:37] film.

[00:24:38] That's what he said he was trying to do.

[00:24:39] So he was making fun of Ted Turner.

[00:24:41] Why would you do that?

[00:24:42] That's well, because.

[00:24:43] Yeah, I understand that.

[00:24:44] But don't.

[00:24:45] He also really hated something that actually worked out really well.

[00:24:49] And I understand there are a lot of artists out there that do things and things are pushed

[00:24:53] on them and things are made by committee.

[00:24:54] But I always find it sad when they don't, you know.

[00:24:58] I mean, he's from Roger Corman school.

[00:25:00] He mainly just want to used it as an F you to Donald Trump and Ted Turner.

[00:25:04] He hated those guys and those billionaires.

[00:25:06] That's why he made it.

[00:25:07] I find it funny, but it takes a while to be funny.

[00:25:11] And I showed it to a Christmas and absolutely no one wanted to watch it with me.

[00:25:17] There's like it's too intense or over the top.

[00:25:20] And OK.

[00:25:21] Same thing with the first one.

[00:25:22] I've been showing it another Christmas.

[00:25:24] Everyone's like, man, this is way too violent.

[00:25:26] I'm like, what am I watching?

[00:25:27] So.

[00:25:28] All right.

[00:25:28] That's that's that's a little bit too strange.

[00:25:30] OK.

[00:25:31] All right.

[00:25:31] I don't.

[00:25:32] But I mean, the first one.

[00:25:33] I don't get that crowd.

[00:25:34] It does try to be.

[00:25:35] It does.

[00:25:36] Well, they're my family.

[00:25:37] So I got to deal with it.

[00:25:38] No, I know.

[00:25:38] But my.

[00:25:40] I guess the first one, it's not as funny as it could be, but it's got some moments.

[00:25:44] I guess part one.

[00:25:46] Part one is just dead serious.

[00:25:48] And part two is kind of camp.

[00:25:49] So I think that's the main difference.

[00:25:50] But yeah, it's apples and oranges.

[00:25:53] Like, I can't live without one or the other.

[00:25:55] I understand that.

[00:25:57] And I also.

[00:25:59] I also don't mind if you're if you're making a sequel or you're doing a franchise, take

[00:26:04] big swings like that.

[00:26:05] That's fine.

[00:26:06] You know, even if it doesn't land, even if it doesn't hit, I don't necessarily need you

[00:26:10] to do the same thing you did the first time.

[00:26:12] I don't see the point of doing anything like that.

[00:26:15] Do you feel like they're in the same universe as Ghostbusters?

[00:26:19] Oh, yeah.

[00:26:19] No, I.

[00:26:20] Yeah, I would not have been shocked if they were in the same universe.

[00:26:24] Because Gremlins and the first two Terminator films, that's kind of what got me into all

[00:26:29] kinds of stuff from.

[00:26:33] Wishmaster to the prophecy to even Candyman and Robocop, just all kinds of just visual,

[00:26:42] violent, over the top, campy, silly, you know, I don't know, just even looking at the Jason

[00:26:47] movies, I see so many people who are.

[00:26:50] You will get a full crowd turnout just because they are all like they're in it.

[00:26:54] They're in for that.

[00:26:56] They don't care if they're laughing with or at the movie.

[00:27:00] Like, it's a mixed bag of a crowd every time.

[00:27:02] But everyone comes out.

[00:27:03] Yeah.

[00:27:04] No, I mean, they they know they can make their money.

[00:27:07] They know.

[00:27:07] You know, it's so weird, though.

[00:27:10] I don't see that.

[00:27:11] Yeah.

[00:27:11] Yeah.

[00:27:11] Exanchise.

[00:27:12] Everyone else is like, I want this.

[00:27:14] If you don't give me this, I want my money back.

[00:27:16] Yeah.

[00:27:17] But I mean, I don't know.

[00:27:18] You still get that in the horror community.

[00:27:19] You know, you just brought up those Halloween movies.

[00:27:22] Oh, yeah.

[00:27:23] Those were not received well.

[00:27:26] Those are definitely like Star Wars.

[00:27:27] It is tied for like the you want to start a flame war?

[00:27:31] Bring it up.

[00:27:31] You'll have 20 people hammering to where I'm like, oh, the Lord, you just took out the

[00:27:35] fun in this room.

[00:27:36] Come on.

[00:27:37] Yep.

[00:27:37] Yep.

[00:27:38] Exactly.

[00:27:39] It doesn't matter.

[00:27:40] But again, but again, I really thought that this this Gremlins fan film was it was the

[00:27:47] Ryan Patrick guy.

[00:27:48] He's done music videos and sure.

[00:27:50] I appreciate they use puppets like that's the other thing about both of these.

[00:27:54] A sync wave score.

[00:27:55] I was like, is this going to be some sort of CG nonsense fest?

[00:28:00] And I mean, and they're not, you know, some of them use it at points.

[00:28:03] But now I I don't know.

[00:28:06] I I really enjoyed it and I didn't expect to.

[00:28:09] It was shot over three days.

[00:28:11] Yeah.

[00:28:11] So that was that was me going in.

[00:28:13] And I didn't know if it was just I just had such low expectations or honestly, how did

[00:28:18] you feel?

[00:28:18] Is this actually good?

[00:28:20] Absolutely.

[00:28:20] I I found out that the it was shot by Isaac Bauman, who has worked on the show Channel

[00:28:29] Zero and the puppets were designed and created by Face Off contestant Eric Fox.

[00:28:34] So.

[00:28:34] OK.

[00:28:35] All right.

[00:28:35] No, that's that's for those who don't know.

[00:28:38] That's the makeup contest show.

[00:28:41] I don't watch reality TV, but I know about it.

[00:28:42] But it was interesting because, yeah, like you say, I mean, fan films.

[00:28:48] It definitely blurs that line because between, you know, because when that started, you would

[00:28:53] see kind of like.

[00:28:55] College study classes where they would have people reinterpret a scene and redo it their

[00:29:00] own style for the longest time on YouTube, you would have people doing parodies like,

[00:29:04] you know, pretending to recreate scenes with right before cosplay was a thing.

[00:29:10] And when fan films started, it was always just a 50 50 is like, OK, that was well shot.

[00:29:14] But your friend clearly didn't want to read that line so that, you know, the no budget

[00:29:21] showed.

[00:29:22] And, you know, with this, I mean, just looking at that thumbnail, I was just like, whoa,

[00:29:26] OK, this person's going all the way and it's made a bloody disgusting article so that.

[00:29:31] OK, no, that's yeah, that's pretty impressive.

[00:29:35] I hope this guy I would I would trust this guy with any franchise.

[00:29:39] Yeah, because I mean, that was about 20 minutes and it I was not looking at the YouTube time

[00:29:46] bar of how much time was left.

[00:29:47] I wasn't looking at my watch.

[00:29:49] I was like, what is going on here?

[00:29:51] It was it was great.

[00:29:53] I feel I enjoyed this one more than the critters one, but I appreciate the fact that they.

[00:30:01] You had to listen, if you're doing a fan film or whatever, it has to be small, it has to

[00:30:06] be contained, limited characters, limited time.

[00:30:10] But neither of them felt that that was intentional.

[00:30:14] You know what I mean?

[00:30:14] Like they both felt like they existed in that particular world.

[00:30:19] Yes.

[00:30:20] And I think that that really worked again.

[00:30:23] I do think that the critters one was less effective, but that's more of a personal thing.

[00:30:31] Like I honestly when it comes to critters franchise and, you know, we can move on to critters

[00:30:35] whenever you want.

[00:30:35] But with that, I just I felt that the bounty hunters were kind of the least interesting

[00:30:42] part of any of those films in the franchise.

[00:30:46] I know a lot of people love them and a lot of people couldn't wait for that.

[00:30:49] I've always been on that same thing.

[00:30:51] I always got critters mixed up with ghoulies.

[00:30:54] So I'm probably in the doghouse because everyone's like, how can you not tell?

[00:30:57] I'm like, well, it was coming out trying to cash in on all these other monkeys pod type

[00:31:02] movies where it's PG, PG 13.

[00:31:05] But I mean, I think people will.

[00:31:08] I think people will forgive you.

[00:31:11] Now, if you confuse them with, I don't know, munchies or some or hobgoblins or something

[00:31:16] that was.

[00:31:16] Oh, well, I always steered away from because it was a mystery science theater.

[00:31:21] You know, favorite.

[00:31:22] But yeah.

[00:31:23] Sure.

[00:31:23] Yeah.

[00:31:23] But yeah.

[00:31:25] Munchies is another one I didn't see too much of because, again, those were kind of just

[00:31:31] bottom of the barrel.

[00:31:32] Like they were at the back of the video store.

[00:31:35] I am a fan of Jim Wynorski and all those other stupid B movie guys who work for Roger Corbett

[00:31:40] and company.

[00:31:41] But it is one of those.

[00:31:42] I'm like, man, direct to video was something else back then.

[00:31:46] Yeah.

[00:31:46] Yeah.

[00:31:47] I mean, you couldn't tell half the time is like, when did this come out?

[00:31:50] I don't know.

[00:31:51] But a lot of people rented it.

[00:31:52] So you're going to get those.

[00:31:54] And no, I mean, there are so many movies from that time period.

[00:32:00] Like, yeah, just for example, Hobgoblins, like you could tell me that came out in 83

[00:32:06] or 96.

[00:32:07] And I'd be like, I don't know.

[00:32:08] Both of those sound right.

[00:32:09] Because I would have no idea based on what I'm looking at when any of these movies took

[00:32:14] place.

[00:32:15] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:32:20] So I'm going to get I'm going to the compliments out of the way first.

[00:32:23] Sure.

[00:32:24] Congratulations, Jordan Downey.

[00:32:26] You might know him from those deliberately bad, trashy Thanksgiving films that were popularized

[00:32:32] by Grindhouse and everything, you know, and deliberately killer turkey puppets.

[00:32:38] Congrats on having this film being included as like a double feature as part of the Shout

[00:32:42] Factory release and Warner Brothers taking interest.

[00:32:46] That's all you're getting for me.

[00:32:47] It's oh, I'm going to check out other stuff he's done because he's apparently was like

[00:32:52] mentored by like Wes Craven and company.

[00:32:55] I just but yeah, this.

[00:32:57] This didn't make good use of the short film format like it just kind of ended as soon as

[00:33:02] it got going.

[00:33:03] And like you say, there was barely a plot and it took the most.

[00:33:07] Less interesting part of the plot.

[00:33:10] It was kind of like, I don't know if you were to.

[00:33:13] Gee, I don't know.

[00:33:14] Take a lesser part of like a.

[00:33:17] Freddy Krueger subplot and then try and flesh it out to where you open even more holes instead

[00:33:23] of doing any good.

[00:33:24] It'd just be like, OK, you you took like the part that no one really cares for.

[00:33:30] And then you enhanced it and look at Godfather free.

[00:33:33] I mean, you're just we're concentrating on the people we don't care about.

[00:33:37] And you're enhancing that as a sequel.

[00:33:39] I don't know.

[00:33:40] I am going to I am going to push back just a little bit because I think you go for it.

[00:33:44] I think you and I might be in the minority because if I talk to people about critters,

[00:33:49] first of all, who am I talking to about critters?

[00:33:52] It's something that comes up in conversation in daily life.

[00:33:55] My co-host loves it.

[00:33:56] And I'm like, OK, you know, there was a fan base.

[00:33:58] I love McGarris and everything, but I forgot he was even involved with that.

[00:34:01] But the through line, I mean, all three.

[00:34:04] I have to.

[00:34:05] All right.

[00:34:05] First of all, all all cards on the table here.

[00:34:09] I really, really think that the critters franchise is very strong.

[00:34:12] And I think that it's underseen.

[00:34:15] People should take the time and honestly watch all four of them.

[00:34:19] I don't I won't say that about a whole lot of other franchises,

[00:34:22] but the through line with all four of those movies, because the first one is a small town

[00:34:29] America critters threatening them.

[00:34:31] Second movie is kind of the same thing with the town's larger and the whole town's involved.

[00:34:34] The third one is an apartment complex and the fourth one there in space.

[00:34:39] The through line with all of these are the bounty hunters.

[00:34:42] So it kind of makes sense that that's the one thing that you could run with and that might

[00:34:49] work.

[00:34:50] And plus the fact that these bounty hunters like that's their mission is to just go around

[00:34:55] the galaxy and to kill critters.

[00:34:57] So if you are going to do a small film, that makes sense.

[00:35:01] You don't you don't have to incorporate a bunch of characters.

[00:35:04] You don't have to give a bunch of backstory.

[00:35:06] We don't have to even know where this takes place.

[00:35:09] So I think it makes sense to do this.

[00:35:11] Me personally, I was never that into any of the bounty hunters.

[00:35:16] Um, but it I understand why they did this to get it from point A to point B.

[00:35:22] But like you say, it's like you don't you don't want to know more about it and be like,

[00:35:26] I don't know.

[00:35:27] No.

[00:35:27] A Star Wars spinoff.

[00:35:29] And now we're going to learn about all these other background characters that only hardcore

[00:35:31] fans are going to care about.

[00:35:32] Like that's not enough to wrap a six part miniseries around.

[00:35:37] Exactly.

[00:35:37] That needs fleshing out.

[00:35:39] Because in all four films, they culminate with bounty hunters coming and hunting down and

[00:35:45] killing the critters.

[00:35:46] Okay, great.

[00:35:46] You've done that four times, at least with the gremlins thing.

[00:35:50] And I know two movies are very different than four.

[00:35:52] At least they're doing something different where these things are now pets.

[00:35:56] And there's like a serum to keep them from turning into monsters.

[00:35:59] Like I really love that they they not only made it small and self-contained, but they

[00:36:05] kind of put a little twist on this thing and advance the story of what gremlins are.

[00:36:12] Mm hmm.

[00:36:13] That's essentially it.

[00:36:15] Yeah.

[00:36:16] It's just it was so short, even by a short film.

[00:36:19] I'm like, I didn't I didn't hate it.

[00:36:21] I didn't mind it.

[00:36:22] You know, it's one of those things where you didn't have enough time to ruin it.

[00:36:26] So I'm not going to complain about that.

[00:36:29] It did.

[00:36:29] I mean, the gremlins fan film was just already like.

[00:36:33] All the restaurant patrons were just fucking hysterical.

[00:36:35] So I was just like, OK, so you could call this anything.

[00:36:38] I would have watched it and recommended it to someone who wants something funny to watch

[00:36:43] for 20 minutes.

[00:36:44] And I felt like that relied on your freehand knowledge.

[00:36:47] Like if you watch this going in, you're going to be like, who what is a bounty hunter in this

[00:36:51] universe?

[00:36:52] Yeah, you know what?

[00:36:54] If you don't know what a critter is, I'm I'm sorry.

[00:36:58] This is a weird experimental student film.

[00:37:01] And honestly, it may have been better if that's what it was like.

[00:37:05] There's you don't need to tie this into a franchise.

[00:37:08] Just put it out there.

[00:37:09] I just wanted a mad scientist just being like, I will create a critter and he gets his face

[00:37:13] torn off or something.

[00:37:14] I don't know.

[00:37:15] Yeah, great.

[00:37:16] Fantastic.

[00:37:16] Just do that.

[00:37:17] I don't care.

[00:37:19] Hell, if I do a fan film, it will be Candyman versus Wishmaster.

[00:37:26] It's all good.

[00:37:27] Not happen.

[00:37:28] They both kind of exist on the fringes of reality.

[00:37:31] I sort of enjoy that.

[00:37:32] Oh, they wanted to make it actually for a while.

[00:37:34] Robert Christmas at a convention once.

[00:37:37] It's a bizarre mashup.

[00:37:38] I couldn't imagine that that would work all that well.

[00:37:42] To Clyde Barker kind of inspired kind of.

[00:37:45] Yeah, but man, I don't know.

[00:37:48] You can't just take.

[00:37:50] It's not like Stephen King.

[00:37:51] You can't just take one thing.

[00:37:52] Clyde Barker made and put it with another because he's in.

[00:37:55] He's working all over the place.

[00:37:57] At least Stephen King's like, I don't know.

[00:37:58] It's in Maine, whatever.

[00:38:00] So that makes more sense of a mashup.

[00:38:03] I don't know.

[00:38:04] I mean, someone did a short story, which was combining Phantasm with Evil Dad.

[00:38:08] So I don't know.

[00:38:09] Oh, my God.

[00:38:10] As long as you can find some kind of tone to agree on.

[00:38:13] That's not.

[00:38:15] A very lame after school special.

[00:38:17] I'm down with it.

[00:38:18] It can't be worse than any other versus movie.

[00:38:20] As long as it's not Freddy versus Jason, I'll watch it.

[00:38:23] I fucking hate that movie.

[00:38:24] People like it.

[00:38:25] I hate it.

[00:38:28] Perfect.

[00:38:29] Perfect.

[00:38:30] Yeah, no.

[00:38:31] So we're all kind of just.

[00:38:32] Yeah, I recommend the first one.

[00:38:34] It's just a very that synth wave soundtrack.

[00:38:37] I want access to that score.

[00:38:38] And this one is just kind of more quieter, kind of reserved, like just something on.

[00:38:45] But now so we introduced you to what a fan film is.

[00:38:48] It's just it's kind of showing if you love something good enough, you can make your own,

[00:38:53] you know, unofficial sequel spinoff.

[00:38:56] Yeah, I kind of this.

[00:38:58] This did open my eyes to something that I knew existed, but wasn't familiar with.

[00:39:04] I might pay a little more attention to this stuff now if I, you know, if I see things floating around out there.

[00:39:09] There's plenty of Jason movies out there.

[00:39:11] There's no.

[00:39:12] I yeah, I appreciate you introducing me to this.

[00:39:16] I don't get me wrong.

[00:39:17] When it was first introduced, I was like, I want to see what a fan did in his parents basement.

[00:39:22] It was like, well, it's more than that now.

[00:39:24] It's actually it's like this is something someone's doing on the side and they're showing at like a horror hound convention and they can't make money off it because it's someone else.

[00:39:33] But if they like it enough, I mean, yeah, I will say for people that are for people that are listening.

[00:39:40] I wouldn't wholeheartedly recommend the critters one, but also if you're interested again, it's like 13 minutes long.

[00:39:50] It's not going to check it out.

[00:39:53] I'm not going to destroy you or make you say what the hell was that?

[00:39:57] It's not.

[00:39:58] And if you hated if you hated everything after the original critters, you might actually like this.

[00:40:04] You might be different than me who's sitting there watching critters in space.

[00:40:08] And I'm like, well, this is great.

[00:40:09] Angela Bassett's in it for some reason.

[00:40:11] I love it.

[00:40:12] I mean, Dick Frappio was in part three.

[00:40:14] So there you go.

[00:40:14] I mean, part three.

[00:40:16] Listen, I here's what I'm going to say this and this is being recorded.

[00:40:21] So this is out there.

[00:40:23] Evil Dead Rise took place in an apartment building.

[00:40:27] So did Critters three and Critters three did a better job with the environment.

[00:40:34] Then Evil Dead Rise.

[00:40:35] Evil Dead Rise is just an Evil Dead movie.

[00:40:38] And they played it up as being in an apartment building and the apartment building served no purpose.

[00:40:43] It didn't matter.

[00:40:45] It could have taken place in a cabin.

[00:40:46] It doesn't matter.

[00:40:47] I did not like that movie just because of that.

[00:40:51] I haven't seen it yet.

[00:40:52] I did hate the remake, though.

[00:40:54] Oh, my God.

[00:40:55] Oh, I see.

[00:40:56] I kind of dug the remake.

[00:40:57] I think Evil Dead is a franchise.

[00:41:00] I'm coming down real hard on the newest one.

[00:41:02] But I think it's a franchise where I don't hate any of those movies.

[00:41:06] And that's kind of rare with a franchise that has gone on for more than like.

[00:41:11] Especially one that varies by crowd.

[00:41:13] You'll see some people who hate it and they're still lining up to make fun of it.

[00:41:17] You'll see people who take it too seriously.

[00:41:19] I'm like, this is a horror action comedy.

[00:41:22] Yeah.

[00:41:22] The TV show I see some people complain about.

[00:41:25] I'm like, guys, that was a fun three seasons.

[00:41:27] It was fun.

[00:41:30] Not fun enough for me to remember to keep watching it.

[00:41:33] But what I saw, I enjoyed.

[00:41:34] Oh, my God.

[00:41:35] Yeah.

[00:41:35] I never finished it.

[00:41:37] I watched the first season and a half and then kind of fell off.

[00:41:40] Okay.

[00:41:40] So season one was pretty much.

[00:41:42] That's why I liked it.

[00:41:43] Because it was like recreating, like doing an answer to each of the free installments.

[00:41:49] Like part one was like, how can we do the crazy gore that the first one did better?

[00:41:53] Okay.

[00:41:53] Part two was showing, giving answers to what actually happened in the cabin that night.

[00:41:58] Oh, all right.

[00:41:59] That's fun.

[00:42:00] Yeah.

[00:42:00] And then part three was redoing the whole army of darkness.

[00:42:02] It's like, what if Ash, instead of, you know, going back in time and saving, you know, King Arthur and company, how about he save the world from giant monsters?

[00:42:10] Okay.

[00:42:11] All right.

[00:42:11] Get some girlfriend to bang.

[00:42:13] I might, I might have to catch up with season two and three then.

[00:42:16] Like I said, I enjoyed it, but this happens to me with shows.

[00:42:19] I was like, I'll get into it.

[00:42:20] Now those guys could totally coexist with gribblins.

[00:42:23] No, I'll, I'll get into a show and I'll be like, oh, this is really good.

[00:42:26] The book of the dead.

[00:42:29] Yeah.

[00:42:32] Oh, fun stuff.

[00:42:34] Yeah.

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