Favorite Moments on BOSCH TV Saga (with Jade Seaberry!)

[00:00:00] This podcast is a production of Unfiltered Studios. If you would like to know more about joining Unfiltered Studios, please visit our website at unfpod.com for more information. You don't mind me asking. How is this working out for you? You missed being a cop? I do standard PI stuff. Sneaking peek, missing errors. Whatever you could find out about my family. Surveillance, consulting.

[00:00:28] Take this. I'm paying you to conduct an investigation. Just to be clear, I don't work for you. Understood. Is that all you did? Switched to another search engine? Yes, call Google. I have no choice but to declare a mistrust. Rogers hired a hitman, shot me twice and left me for dead.

[00:00:54] What I really want is to personally hunt him down and end him. I am so sorry. I just wonder, what went wrong for Rogers to get off? It's not over yet. We have to nail this guy, Harry. Yeah, we do. But we do it my way this time. Your way. Courts, due process. Justice system. Your way didn't work. No, it didn't. Okay, your way. Shall we proceed with the plan? Let's do it.

[00:01:27] Rogers was cooking up a scheme that had a very steep buy-in. Billions of dollars on the line. People will do anything to get their hands on it. What is this? House cleaning. This guy's Harry. Not to be trifled with. You're mine. Harry, what are you up to? Better you don't know. Ain't this the life, boy?

[00:02:01] Take me through this one more time. You steal the signal. You toss it to me. Could blow you. I worry about you. I worry about you. Out on the mean streets of East Hollywood. It's still a mission for you, isn't it? Everybody counts. Nobody counts. This is just the beginning.

[00:03:17] We got the one and the only. Jade Seabury. From Diverse Tune on YouTube. Yes. How are you? I'm delightful. How about yourself? Pretty good. Pretty good. Happy New Year. Happy New Year to you. It's like, man. It's a crazy year. I hope there's someone out here who can keep us all stable. Yes. Right. It's been an interesting day. Craziness.

[00:03:48] So, for those who don't know, I've been fortunate enough to have Miss Seabury on before. She hosts Diverse Tunes with Monique Henry Hudson, which talks about diversity in animation, but also just career opportunities. Yeah. In the animation industry and special effects. We featured voiceover artists. Yep.

[00:04:13] We're a staple at this point at San Diego Comic-Con and WonderCon. So, yeah, you can check us out on all the social media platforms. Just Diverse Tunes. One word. And, yeah, just check us out. What's been your personal favorite convention experience? I would say in the heart of the pandemic, I had never been to San Diego Comic-Con.

[00:04:43] So, it was with the masks and everything. It was really low-key before they opened everything back up. And we were, like, distancing and everything else. It was, like, bare bones. Everybody had the mask on. You had to stay, you know, six feet apart, everything. And I was like, wow, this is interesting. We can make this work.

[00:05:05] Then, when everything opened back up and I was like, wow, this is, like, five times the size of what it was last year. Right. And I was like, this is how it is usually. I was like, well, I was blown away. But when it was, I liked it when it was, like, oh, we're going to limit the number. We're going to, like, dumb it down. Everybody was there from, like, I actually was able to get in to the Marvel panels and things like that.

[00:05:34] But now, it's like, the lines are wrapped around blocks and blocks and blocks. You can't even get into the Marvel panels. So, I was like, wow. I was, like, I was really lucky that one year when they opened back up after the pandemic. Compared to now, yeah. Well, not open back up, but it was like, they were like, you know, these are the restrictions. These are, you know, we're going to open up, but we're going to still keep it safe.

[00:05:59] So, I was like, I was really lucky to, like, experience that. And I was like, oh, wow. But this is how it usually is? This is how crazy it is? I was like, you're mind blown. Fluctuations. Yeah. Exactly. What drove me crazy was when I would go to different conventions would be the VIP lines. But sometimes you wouldn't see the label and it's like, oh, drat. Exactly. No, this is where the line actually. Exactly.

[00:06:28] And it's like five blocks down. You're not going to be able to talk to the guy. The most you will be able to say is say hi or sign this. So, yeah. Reread it if you're still unsure. Yeah. Call someone. It's definitely an experience. Well, at least there's a lot of positivity. And I do like how you bring a voice to, again, a lot of animation as well as just showing how it's telling cultural stories.

[00:06:57] You know, it used to be there was just entertainment and then there was like educational stuff. And you've been discussing all kinds of cartoons that have a lot of very electrifying, you know, social commentary. And, you know, and tonight, you know, we're talking about, you know, a procedural. But I also would just love to get your take on, you know, just how that whole subgenre has kind of evolved. You know, it used to be here are the private lives of privatizing detectives.

[00:07:27] Then there was a lot of them that had the so-called, you know, propaganda where you're like, yeah, that doesn't happen in real life. But they're cool as a superhero show. And then there were others where you're like, I like the legal stuff a little better than the investigation stuff. And then vice versa, like the political stuff is not interesting. But how these guys investigate and are our partners is cool. But so were you familiar with the whole Michael Connelly thing? I only kind of knew him as kind of another John Grisham type where he just.

[00:07:55] Yeah, I didn't really because I don't really read the books, which I should. But but just like I love The Walking Dead, but I've never read the comic books. So it's like, oh, OK, so I get. But I feel like if I did read the books, then I wouldn't be interested in the show because it's all. Then I would get bogged down in how different the books are from the from the actual series.

[00:08:22] So certainly it's kind of like James Patterson, where you can kind of make up your mind on how everyone looks and everything. But. I actually didn't put two and two together, like because I had read some of them like City of Bones, and I thought, OK, interesting how they're showing how the CSI unit comes in and then the detectives come in and then the media comes in and some are reporting just the facts and others are going, you know, haywire with.

[00:08:50] Let's blow this. And you're like, so and then. So I always took it as kind of a modern day kind of Chinatown. It's like, yes, this is more than just I think I fear that someone is at play and going to probably poison the well. But yeah, all kinds of other stuff. So. Well, what made you say I'm going to take the binge? I'll do a few of these each night.

[00:09:14] I was hooked from the beginning when I first saw the trailer for season one, because I love crime dramas. So I was like, I was like, I'm in like put me put put a good crime drama in front of me and I'm hooked like Law and Order. All of them. I'm I'm just addicted to a good crime drama. So if it looks good, I'm going to watch. So season one, as soon as the trailer dropped, I was like, oh, this looks interesting. I was like, OK, I'll give this a chance.

[00:09:44] And what I loved about Harry was he looks bad. He looked like he was so crazy. He reminded me of House. Just that first. I think that's a good contrast. Yeah. Yeah. He looked menacing. He looked like he could be a criminal. I had something in all the. He was like going to be a crooked cop or like I didn't know what they were trying to do to him. Because that poster looks creepy. Yeah. He's just got that poster. You don't know.

[00:10:13] I didn't know what I was going to get. I'm like, is this like falling down or taxi drivers on the edge? Or and like you, I do like all kinds of crime stuff. You know, everything from the power and Ray Donovan franchise. Exactly. And this was kind of for me more like the shield or the closer. Yeah. Like they're showing very much. Yeah. The LAPD scandal ridden. And oh my God. Comeback role for Mimi Rogers. She's a civil rights activist. Yeah.

[00:10:41] It was like he loved to hate her and then he loved to love her. And it was just like, OK. The way they introduce each other. And yet you're like. In front of me turned besties. It was weird. You're like, there's no way they're going to get along. Full turnaround character. Sure. It's like, and then once they actually sit down is like. So there's a bit of Michael Mann. And I'm not saying it's necessarily like the De Niro Pacino, like sit down for coffee. Yeah. But they do pick each other's brains and. Yeah.

[00:11:11] They have a mutual respect for each other. That's one thing. They know that the other is very good at their job. So it's like, and they know that they, at the end of the day, they each have a job to do. And. Yes. They might. They're really good at their jobs. So whether they hate the, it's not that they hate the person and the other person, but it's like. They each have horrible clients. Yes. Oh my God. They each like, but they know that, OK, I have to destroy you on the stand.

[00:11:41] And then you may hate me for doing it, but you still respect me for doing my job to the best of my ability. So I think once they come down off their high horse and, you know, drop the egos, then they both just have to realize that. And that's what, you know, that's what it boils down to. No, very, very true. Very true. And I recognize all kinds of actors is like, oh, yeah, I saw that person on L.A. Law. The CSI guy was very fascinating.

[00:12:11] Old wise man. And then there was a bunch of other people. I'm like, yeah, they've been on other Dick Wolf, Stephen Bosco stuff like. Yeah. My PD Blue. But the perfect casting of the lieutenant, Lieutenant Bellitz. I'm like, yeah, I'm vaguely much like Wellover. I've seen Amy Aquino in a lot of stuff and she's done all kinds of Italian and Hispanic kind of roles. And it's like, yeah, they mix like a good mixture of like old school people that you haven't seen in a long time.

[00:12:38] Like when they brought in Erica Alexander, who everybody knows from like living single days. And then they brought in John Marshall Jones from Smart Guy. Like we're like, wait, what? Like how do you bring in like smart the dad from Smart Guy? Like they they made sure they they played from like iconic cancer characters like Lance Riddick. And they made sure. OK, yes. Rest in peace. So sad.

[00:13:07] And then, you know, guy, I'm like, OK, I love I loved you and Jamie Hector. Well, I didn't love Hector, but he was a good actor. Yeah, he was a good partner for him. Absolutely. And yeah, he was definitely a good partner. And having Crate and Beryl. Oh, now that's just rich. Yeah, they were. They were the perfect iconic comedy duo that you needed. The old school iconic duo to like bring you that old school cop knowledge.

[00:13:37] And like Harvey now once and again drop the the missing piece of the puzzle that you needed. Like, oh, we used to do that two decades ago. And you're like, what? Yeah, we used to do that back in the day. Like you don't notice? Harry, you don't notice? Right. And like just drop the knowledge at the right time. Bingo. And always talk about retirement that they were never going to. We know they never retire. There you go. If they do that.

[00:14:06] Well, I thought that was so rich how one of them gets suspended because they're in a car accident. And because they're past their prime. And then again, it's just like two old geezers that got nothing better to do. They got no life. They're still close friends. They're like, yeah, it's like this or I'm still on the sofa and order pizza. It's like. Exactly. You got to have got to have some comedic duo in all of this heavy, heavy drama and action. So something to lighten the mood every now and then. And that's what they were there for.

[00:14:35] I was fortunate enough to interview barrel actor. Really? Troy Evans. And, you know, so plenty of stories from, you know, he gets recognized from Ace Ventura and ER. And yeah, then, you know, how he got like a DUI or something. So that wrecked his, you know, credentials for a while. So it was hard to get a job. And then realizing like, hey, guys, I was the former military guy turned character actor. You know, I'm not going to be trouble on your set. I just.

[00:15:06] Once upon a time. But yeah, but yeah, the crate guy was wild. He was like, I've seen that guy play so many assholes. I've seen him. Yeah. Always be a bad guy. And he's known to always sunny guys is like one of the guys is I think Charlie's like a strained dad. So but for once, he's not being a douchebag. He's being an actual like, OK, but I like how you say like it is like we know without them even saying a word like Bill.

[00:15:34] It's just like, hey, you know, no, no cowboy activity here. I was thinking about that the other day because I was watching a movie on Netflix. Oh, and I was I was like, wait a minute. He's all of a sudden a bad guy in the last like five films I've seen. And I was like, how did he get typecasted as that character? Because he used to be like always like the sidekick best friend. He just had kind of look. Yeah. Yeah. Now he's always typecasted as like a bad guy. And I'm like, bomber. Yeah.

[00:16:04] I'm like, maybe he gets paid more money as that guy as that guy now. Because I'm like, I wonder why he changed his image as that now. It's it's how you look, you know, like if you don't. Yeah, I was like, that's so interesting. If you don't have the Charlie's they're on Brad Pitt look. It's very easy. Yeah. The homeless guy or bank robber number five, you know, so Michael Pena had a funny interview years ago. I remember watching on Conan. Oh, yeah. He was like, can I not be gangbanger number five?

[00:16:34] Thank you. Like in the lineup. What? But him too. He used to be like the funny, like sidekick. Like, you know, like and then all of a sudden, like that, that changed. And I wonder what makes directors be like, oh, I'm going to change you from like, I could best friend to like gangster. Well, and I saw a bunch of alums from 24 on here. Yeah.

[00:17:02] Including a lot of the other foot cops. And I think that's just it. Like, same thing. And you're like, oh, there's no way Dylan McDermott or Kiefer Sutherland are going to be an antihero or a big guy. It's like we've always seen me the, you know, idiot or the boyfriend. Yeah. And I think someone is like, yeah, just let him play outside that. And I think that's the thing with Titus Wallover. You can, depending on how he's framed, you can either make him look handsome or you can make him look like, you know, the creepy neighbor. So I think that's just it.

[00:17:31] There's like, yeah, because he's unpredictable, we're going to play on that. And it's interesting how other people have gone back to see his other stuff. And they're like, yeah, he was on Good Wife. He was on Lost. Yeah. Because I'm like, how did that flip just switch? I would always see him. After one roll, then the rest of their career is just that. Yeah. He'd always, I'd always see him as like a weapons dealer or like a heckler or a desk sergeant guy. Or, I mean, he was really good as the doctor on NYPD Blue.

[00:18:01] He's like, here's the truth. Exactly. Yeah. I like how you made the Dr. House connection because it is one of those you're like, when you see him, you're like, oh, it's a bad shooting. Is this guy going to be an asshole? And you're like, no. No, that's what I'm saying because he's a brilliant detective. Like, first and foremost, he's brilliant. And he's, I mean, complicated to say the least. But you would want him to be working on your homicide if you were killed. Because he's relentless. And he's always going to get his perk. However, but he's haunted.

[00:18:29] He's textbook mommy issues. Like, I mean, but I feel like any little boy whose mother was a prostitute and was killed at 11 years old would have mommy issues. And that trickled down in his life to like relationships with his ex-wife and then his daughter. And I mean, I mean, but it is what it is.

[00:18:54] I love how he finally goes after like that one crook who's like had connections and is like, and yeah, I did murder your mother and she will always be a whore. And he's like, he's having to stop himself up and over the ounce. And then when the guy gets him in, when the guy is finally arrested, he just lets it out. He just starts letting out silent cry. And like, see, that's the right answer. I hate it when you portray the guy as like Mr. Invincible macho. Exactly. Macho.

[00:19:24] No. Ex-Marine. This is your mother. And that's it too. Yeah. I like it. We sometimes, we know he's a Marine, but it's actually put to good use. Like, so. Yeah. If I had to pick a favorite moment, I love in one of the later seasons, I think it's three or four. I'm going to say four. Sorry, guys. I have my notes, but I'm not going to take them out right now. But I love this show to death. I love when he's got a reliable dog and he's like, he's got like on run command. He's like, he's like, go hide.

[00:19:54] And he just goes and gets a shotgun. And he's like getting ambushed at his apartment complex. Oh, at his house. Yeah. That was season five. I want to say. I think you're right. Yeah. It was like four or five. When he ambushed his house. Yeah. But I like how we, it's like, he's not worried about, hey. And I, you know, like, I like how he still has to have an ongoing issue of my building codes aren't up to speed. Yeah. It's like, so.

[00:20:25] But that's where his military training comes in. And he gets all stealthy. And he's like, no, I'm going to have the dog draw him in. And then. Without risking his. Into the kill box. Yeah. Right. Into the kill box. I love that. Yeah. And like, and. It's again, everybody has something to do. Because like you say, like. Crate and Barrel are like the Finn and Munch of SVU of the show. They're the Laurel Harry. Exactly. Billitz is having to, you know, do everything. She's having to reorchestrate the unions who aren't playing balls.

[00:20:54] She's having to make sure everyone had a good shooting. She's having to make. Tell the internal affairs guys. Like, yeah. I got. I got this under control. And then. Like. Like you've heard. I've heard. I listen to so much true crime. So I'm. I like how they tackle the angle. It's like. Yeah. This. Lieutenant Bill. Captain Cooper. Asshole. He's a sexist. He's trying to make you quit. Exactly. And you finally got some dirt on his other foul play. And his ass is out of here.

[00:21:23] It was like, yeah, that was so hard to do. Because like. I've heard so many horror stories on how. You know, sometimes if cops. You know, come home and they drink too much. And leads to inevitable divorces. They'll harass. So I liked how they just are like. Hey, we got to police this. Police the police. Exactly. But. Just. How they go about. Just like making sure. It's like, hey, I got a warrant for this. And I got a warrant for that.

[00:21:50] And so when I was even telling other security guards or cops that I think. Or even. Just crime genre people in general. I think you would like this. Or like, so what sets it apart? I'm like, well, it's interesting. Because like. Not Daniels. Lance Reddick's character. On here. It's interesting how they show him getting into politics. And he's having to kind of. Yeah. Play ball with that. He's not bad necessarily. Having a baby and everything. Yes.

[00:22:20] Trying to have a life. In general. Steve Irving. Yeah. The. Yeah. The recreationalist. And he's having to question his principles. And of course, they don't line up with Bosch. Who's like, I don't do politics. And then all the other guys are like. Exactly. He's like, keep me out of that. I love in that final season. In season six. Where it's like. The like. You're. I'm going to fire you when you get back. And Bosch is like. No, you won't.

[00:22:49] Because I fucking quit. Exactly. I'm like, that's awesome. He's like, nope. I don't care. There's some other good shows. Like Power and the Shield had done some good ones. On the underbelly of politics. And how greasy. Yeah. So trending another show Titus is on. Yeah. I can't wait to see what they do with Suits LA. Because the original Suits was so good. So. Yeah. Suits LA is going to be under so much criticism. It's like. It's got. You can't mess it up.

[00:23:18] And even with the featured cameos. You're like, yeah. Like. We. I liked Pearson's spinoff. But it didn't get another shot. Yeah. Pearson was so good. And it's just like. They didn't give it a chance. I didn't give it a chance. I'm like. I feel like it needed to happen right after Suits ended. To like really get the full. Court press that it needed. And it just. It waited too long. I think that's why. Absolutely. Yeah. It just. It just waited way too long. I. I mean. And. Again.

[00:23:48] There's so much. I mean. They got some semi-knowns and unknowns. So I'm like. Okay. That's nice. But. I don't want it to be like the new CSI. Where it's like. Yeah. Everybody's like a featured. Like extra. They're not. Yeah. Well. They already signed on. Um. Gabriel. So. Right. Hopefully. He's. He's like overseeing everything. Like. This is like his new law firm. Like he's. A silent partner or whatever. Like he's kind of like beyond it. Yeah. He's like.

[00:24:18] I'm just the owner. So. I don't really. He's coming by. Like he's going to be in the office every now and then. But he's like. You know. Maybe. Because I don't see him being like. Oh. I'm going to. I'm. I'm running to be a judge. Or. You know. That'd be too much. That was like beyond him. He. He wasn't into like politics or anything. So. I can't see him doing that. I can see him. Saying. Oh. I opened up a law firm here. I opened up a law firm there. I'm franchising all over the place. I can see him doing a TED talk. I can see him doing something like that. Yeah. To be like.

[00:24:48] Oh. I could do whatever I want at this point in my life. He could speak at a graduation. But. Yeah. And I. You know. I'm okay if he's mentoring some of the other guys. But yeah. I don't want it to be like a copy. But at the same time. I also don't want them to be just like stretching it out for. To where it's just too formulaic. And. You know. I saw a lot of Maddie hate. My fans for this show. I'm like. Oh. Good grief. Well. Where else does the character go? Yeah. She said. I'm interested in law enforcement. Especially after mom dies. It's like.

[00:25:18] And I saw other people are like. I just don't buy that. I'm like. Well. This is seriously no different than how they showed how. The different keywords. Police codes. Yeah. And training of. Regular officers. Because that's the other thing too. Everyone goes cop. I'm like. Okay. What kind of cop? Detective? Or a regular. True. Foot patrol. Yeah. And. And this is going to be the last season. That's coming out. Yeah. Third and final season. So. Okay. So. And it. But it already even got renewed.

[00:25:48] Before season two even started. So. I don't even know what the. Writers are going to write. Like. What they even had in store. So. Yeah. This should be interesting. Because how do you go out with a bang? I don't know. I'm hoping for the best. But yeah. They should have just called it. Seasons. Yeah. Yeah. Seven through. Ten. You know. Or actually. Yeah. Eight through. Eleven technically. But yeah. True. But they were doing that. Because I'm. But it is really cool. I mean. I like her whole new group of friends.

[00:26:18] And stuff like that. Jeff Russo's. Batch Legacy. It was a really nice. You know. New era. For Maddie and stuff. I like it. Yeah. Absolutely. Tom Bernardo is really good. I like how. Jeff Russo. Who's scoring everything. From Altered Carbon. To Star Trek Picard. Has very moody trumpets. To accompany the suspense. Um. Eric Overmeyer. Who. Has written for Homicide. Man in the High Castle. Treme. The Wire.

[00:26:48] And New Amsterdam. I thought was really good at. Uh. And seeing Maddie come into her own. With the. With solving the rape case. And then. Yes. Her relationships. And everything. I like that. It's. It's really cool. They. They do a good job. Of just like. It's way more plausible. It's like. Yeah. Okay. So. Here's all these different scenarios. Here's how they round up the guys. Instead of just. I'm. You're going to let the guy do his. You know.

[00:27:18] Semi impossible. Read the room. You know. Treg is like. Yeah. No. He's. Gonna. He's going to read the room. But he's also going to. Encounter them. When he can. And. Just think outside the box. Instead of just. What are the chances. You know. This is getting personal. And. You know. The serial killer kidnapping. Was really shocking. But an interesting way to. And. Whenever anyone. Again. Like. Kudos to all the Foley. And everything.

[00:27:47] When people. Get shot. You're actually freaked out. Like. Exactly. That sounds like I'm. Hearing. A kahoot. And I'm going to have to duck. Exactly. And losing one of her. Academy mates. Like right off the back. Like that. That. Yes. You know. Is going to help her. Early in her career. Because at least she knows. What it's like to lose somebody. That was. You know. Close to her. That she went out drinking. With every night. And stuff like that. That's going to help her. Early in her career. Yes. And then you know.

[00:28:17] She goes to her father. When she needs to. But she's not using him. As a crutch. Bingo. She's not being like. You know. Dad. I need you. Every single day. You know. She. She just went there. To help with the grieving process. And was like. You know. Can I spend the night. You know. And then she was like. You know what. No. I do need to go home. Yes. I need to go home. And I need to face this. And I need to. You know. Get back on the laughing. We're not trying to drink ourselves today. You know. Yeah. I need to figure this out on my own. And. So.

[00:28:46] Even he was like. Um. I don't think you need to be going back to your apartment right now. Yeah. She's like. No. I got this. So. No. That's a good point. Um. I. I dug how. Some of the other casts they had. Like Phil Morris. As the shady. Security contractor. Dirt fixer. I'm like. Oh my god. That dude. You know. That's Jackie from Seinfeld. That's. Exactly. Our number one go-to voice actor. That. That. Kudos to any time they had some of the villains. I mean. There was everything from.

[00:29:17] Uh. Military. You know. Turned. Uh. Master thief. To. A crooked cop circle. To. Uh. Some other shady security guards. And. Yeah. Some other white supremacists. You know. It was all kinds of. And then serial killers. You know. Just trying to be. You know. Infamous. Um. Mm-hmm. Yeah. But. Basically the next. You know. OJ type case. Where they're just like. Yeah. They're on the six o'clock news. And they're getting all the attention. They. Yearned for. Uh.

[00:29:47] What's his name? I had never seen. Uh. God. What's his name? Uh. Steven Chang. Uh. before. Two. It's never. We had too many characters. And one of you. Characters. And then Anthony Michael Hall. Yeah. He. He pops up on the strangest things. He really is. He's. He's like. Everywhere.

[00:30:17] I'm like. Okay. It was. Once he came back into acting. Like. He plays all different types of roles. He plays good guys. Bad guys. Killers. Everything. He's just. He's growing out of the breakfast club thing. But you never knew. Yeah. But he. He comes back on. A range of things. He'll be on a kid's show. Then he'll be.

[00:30:46] Playing a murderer on Lifetime. Then he'll be playing. Yeah. He'll be playing on a big blockbuster. In a small role. It's. It's weird. He'll. He'll be on everything. He takes all the different kind of checks. He does not care. Yeah. Dead zone. Psych. I recognize some of the other. People there. There was. The other crooked gob. Was Max Martini. Who everyone knows from everything. From Pacific Rim. To the unit. And then they had. Jessica Camacho. As. One of the other hacker gals. I was like. See that.

[00:31:16] They always go for these people. Who have been here forever. But it's not. It's like. I can. You don't just look the part. But like. You can. Let them play with this. And since. Yeah. All TV is now. 10 episodes. No one gets tired of these roles. Right away. They're like. They can easily sneak in. And say. Hey. Can I do a play. You know. On Broadway. For free weeks. And then come back. It's. It's easier. To manage. It's not as good. So much. With residuals. But. Hopefully.

[00:31:46] The strikes. You know. Comes to some better. You know. Solution. That's true. But. When Kate Burton was on this. This was the first thing I saw her in. Since. The scandal. Went off the air. Yeah. That's a good point. Yeah. That they were getting some of the people from the Sandra Rimes house. I'm like. Yeah. I know. I've seen you play a congressperson. Or. Troubled parent. And. They. I think it also helps that.

[00:32:13] As long as you watch like free episodes back to back. You won't be too lost. Yeah. Because. There's. It's easy to get lost. But. They have awesome recaps. Instead of just. You know. You're seriously on. It's nothing fancy. It's just like. Exactly. I thought Mimi Rogers deserved at least a primetime Mimi though. And just. Yes. Because she. It's been forever. But like. I mean. What a realistic. Recovering. Or. Yeah. The gun side. Everything. She's buying a gun for protection.

[00:32:44] Protection. And then. Being implicated. Yes. You know. Actually doing some spying on some of the guys. Like. She's. Um. And. Uh. And. But. But also kudos to how Maddie's having to find out. Some of the other. Bad apples in her department. Yeah. And. And then she had to be suspicious of everybody. She didn't know who to trust. And then. Get back. And then. She was like. Oh my gosh. Should I go to IA? And it was just.

[00:33:13] And then. Yep. And her father was like. Uh. Girl. You don't. You don't know if. Who's involved. First of all. Get some more evidence. You gotta be careful. You gotta watch your back. Yeah. And. And just be going to anybody. I think she's gonna have to change her surname. Just cause there's just so much harassment. You're like. Yeah. You're related to that one guy. Who's now a private eye. And. But then it's like. I feel like everybody already knows her anyway. Because she basically grew up in there. So it's like.

[00:33:43] I don't know. I don't know if that'll work. It probably wouldn't. But I'm still. I do find it wild how. I mean. Yeah. She probably should use her mother's. Maiden name. Because. I feel like then. If you change it to your mother's name. Everybody pretty much knows your mother too. Because your mother was an FBI agent. So. Yeah. That's why I don't know if I use your mother's name either. Anytime the feds show up. And they're always like. Bosh. Right. What the hell are you doing here? It's always just so wild. Exactly. I don't use my mother's name either. So then it's like. Okay.

[00:34:12] Do you use your mother's. Maybe. Maybe a stepfather's name. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know the solution. But I. I still applaud how. It's like. Okay. So Bosh is like. Hey. There is no limit to. The politics at this office. And there's a price on everything. And my price is. I'm now going to investigate all these guys. Who had lousy investigations. And who. You know. Screwed up. You know.

[00:34:42] Giving justice for victims and everything. Exactly. It's just cool to having to kind of have a. To decipher. And break down of the whole system. Instead of just. It's all good. But it's not perfect. It's like. No. It's. There's a lot of bad. And we gotta. We gotta weed out everything. Yeah. You gotta. You gotta. What do you do when you bring a container home. You know. You empty all the drinks. And then you make sure to. Clean out the actual bucket. Exactly. And. It's. I.

[00:35:11] I do also like how. Like. You're not having to. Predict. The beats. Cause like. There. There's all. With. Each of these conspiracies. Is like. Okay. So. We're. We're gonna get to the money man. Or the financer eventually. But we still gotta figure out. Who's the actual guy. Pulling all the strings. And then we gotta figure out. I mean. The terrorist web was. Complex. Cause you know. We had to follow. Bosch getting help from another fed.

[00:35:41] Who actually. Yeah. And then. You know. I was like. And by the way. There's a bomb. Uh huh. In the actual courtroom. Everyone get the hell out. And. That. That was just a. Hell of a way to end it. While. Billets was also having to. Clean out her department. And. Stop. Her other officers. From harassing each other. Just like. See. That. I. I. When you go from plot A. To plot B. I never feel like it's rush. Or uneven. It's like. Yeah. Yeah. I really can tell.

[00:36:10] That these guys all thought this out. They had enough. Inspiration from real life stuff. And supervision. I can follow the guys. And know what they do. Instead of. That guy. I don't know what he does. You know. That's true. I. It's like. It gives me a better idea. Of everything also. Is like. It. Without just being. Just. Just. Of course. They're not going to do any paperwork. He's like. Yeah. No. We're going to see him do paperwork. Yeah. That's true. Because. He's always like. Oh.

[00:36:40] I can't do the paperwork. Like. You go home to your family. J. Edgar. So. I like that. Like. Because what other show. Do you actually see them talk about. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to. We're going to actually sit here and do. It's off screen. Paperwork. Never. Or only what the plot suffices. Yeah. It's like. That's true. That makes sense. They do a good job of. Instead of just photos. Making it look real. At their home. Like. We would actually see them scratching their head. In their cubicles. And it was done in a better way.

[00:37:10] Kind of like the wire. Where it's like. Okay. So. This is driving them crazy. They've had who knows how much caffeine. And they're still not getting anywhere. So. But we as the viewer. Are watching them. Say. How about this scenario. And let's go with this. Yeah. Instead of just. Didn't they get in trouble one time. For like. Doing the paperwork wrong. Or missing out on. Something on the paperwork. There was a bit of that. And I thought that was good. Because like. Instead of just. That it was a plausible real life.

[00:37:39] Yeah. Consequence. It was also just like. A good way to kind of. A way in the plot. It's like. Okay. They overstepped. Or. You're suspended. This is out of your jurisdiction. But someone else can go here. And check on this guy. Who's a bad apple. Or. And again. The bad guys. Are all in the flesh. You know. It's like. They're everything from. They're not just shady nightclub owners. A lot of them are also. Just other. Law firms. With questionable practices. They're also. You know. Just.

[00:38:11] Campaign fundraisers. Who are. With offshore accounts. It's like. It's all kinds of stuff. We're just like. Okay. And. Uh. And sometimes. There are people who. You know. Are related to. Some. Someone. The officers arrested years ago. And it's like. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. They got a grudge. And so. This is why they're sending you. All these threatening phone calls. And. Uh. But. It was interesting. Just seeing. The whole thing. Outside the system. Because. It's not encouraging. To go all vigilante. It's just. I call it the Captain Kirk. Kirk maneuver.

[00:38:41] It's just like. Think outside the box. And just. Not. You know. Nothing is. Concrete. And nothing is. Safe either. But. Also. You have no support from the feds. So. And. There is. I do. Like. When they were going after. Those very. Violent. Private security guys. And bodyguards. Turned robbers. And they're having. Oh yeah. The bank. The. The. The bank. Heist.

[00:39:10] With the crooked cops. Yeah. Versus the. The Russian mobsters. Yeah. The Russian mobsters. And yeah. The crooked cops. And then yeah. The. Ex-security guy. Who's shady. And. And they're all having to. Corner him in like. His own cabin in the woods. And they're like. He's got dynamite. This guy has dynamite. How are we going to. Ambush him. And. You know. And then he just pops out. With a grenade. After they confront Nash. Yeah. At the cabin.

[00:39:40] It's a murder suicide. Who's in the world? Who's in the world? Who's a grenade? From like. I mean. I know people buy grenades. You know. Black market and stuff. But that is just like. Really? Really? Like. Come on now. And. Just popping out with grenades. And Jack. I got a shotgun. Yeah. And. And Harry has his pistol. Like. We don't know where you come from. With a grenade. Yeah. It's. But. To their credit. They were at least more suspenseful. And.

[00:40:08] I never felt like the bad guys had an easy way out. It wasn't like. Yeah. Because like. I like Criminal Minds. But like. The. There. There were some lesser seasons of it. Where. I kid you not. Everybody would just like. Do a murder suicide. Like they'd shoot themselves. I'm like. That's. Very lazy writing. Yeah. It happens. That's what I talked about. Something like that. I was like. What was it? Not. Oh that one. Not Criminal Minds. But. Um. Oh. CSI. I recently boasted CSI. And I'm like.

[00:40:39] Why is it. That. I've. Binged. CSI Miami. I binged. CSI. And I binged. CSI New York. I just couldn't wrap my head around. It wasn't very good. I was like. What is going on? It had a more respectable cast. I feel like y'all disrespected my city. But okay. It had very anti-climatic outcomes. Where you're like. After all that trouble. That's the only thing you can come up with. Like. I remember they were going. What is going on? They had one. But I feel like in CSI. Like.

[00:41:07] Every time they got close to like. A serial killer. He. He ended up. Killing himself. And I'm like. What is going on? Or just confessing on the spot. And then killing himself. And you're like. Yeah. I'm like. What is this? That's very lazy. I could write that. Every time they cornered him. Multiple serial killers. Mind you. I'm like. Well and you need to. They just come into suicide. I'm like. I've never seen this on any show in my life. I'm like. What is going on? There needs to be a build up. Like if there's not going to be a payoff.

[00:41:38] Like. I'm like. Mind you. We've. We've. We've hunted you for like. Multiple. Multiple. Multiple episodes. Like. Yeah. Half a season. Yep. Through other cases and everything. And I'm like. That's it. Well and. Bush does good with using the science. Like. Well CSI. Always was kind of like. This is a live action. You know. Superhero show. They can do anything. Which is not the case in real life. You know. Not just anybody can do all the. You know. DNA testing. And it's not going to be done in 24 hours. I'm like.

[00:42:06] So I sat through hours and hours of DNA testing. Evidence gathering. Everything like that. For you. For you to. Finally catch the killer. For you to kill yourself. Okay. I'm like. Okay. I can't. It doesn't work. This is too much. I couldn't do the reboot either. Because it was like. Way more risque. And over the top. And I'm like. And no one had any charisma. And I'm like. See. You should have just brought everybody. Who we liked back. And then. That's funny. Had a serialized story. Instead of just. By the way. Whatever happens. Happens. Yeah.

[00:42:36] I think it's CIS. Is good at always. Doing it. Because it's always kind of. Action comedy. And it's military related stuff. But. Don't get me wrong. There's plenty of other. Mystery shows where I'm. I had to shake my head out. And be like. Yeah. And be like. What is going on? I don't know what reality. You're going for. And it's not good. Campy. Or serious. I love Bones the most. Because it. Would have all kinds of nutty stuff. And they had to connect it. I did binge Bones too. Because. I don't know why.

[00:43:05] I just thought it was. Like. It's kind of like House of It. Maybe. I feel like some of these trailers. Like originally. When. They first came out. On television. Yeah. Because all you have to go for. Is the trailer. Yes. And I feel like the trailers. Just didn't do some of these shows justice. So maybe that's why I didn't. Originally watch it. That's why I just. Originally didn't watch CSI. In all fairness. I didn't like CSI when it was on. I thought it was just gratuitous. And over the top. But then. In college.

[00:43:35] I came around to it. I'm like. Got it. Okay. But this is popcorn. While. With the other shows. I'm not a comedy person. Like I told you. I'm not a comedy person. Yes. I like suspense. I like crime. I like thrillers. I'm not. I'm not going to sit here and. Just watch. The only comedy. Like my kind of comedy. I loved Monk. I loved Psych. No. That's fine. Those are like. The only time. I watched like. Comedies. But. You. You see. They still had crime in it.

[00:44:04] So that's why. They were solving cases. So. Well it's also hard. Because comedy often. Will go for the like. Lowest comedy denominator. Like. Does that have too much. Tasteless over the top stuff. Where you're like. That makes me feel dirty. As long as it's like. Haha funny. Like I'm not laughing at you. I'm laughing with you. Then that's. That's fine. Like. As long as you're not doing it. For the sake of doing it. It kind of flows in with the. Storyline. Then that's fine. Or having everybody be. Just so. Inept. So ridiculous. That it's not funny.

[00:44:34] Exactly. I like some of the mockumentaries. But even those that. Outstained their welcome to her. I'm like. Okay. I can only. I can. I'm not gonna. Well and. The comedy has to really. I mean. Cause like. We take the crime elements of this away. We at least like. How. How. They're going about. Like the plot outcome. There's a lot of beats. Like Bosh. And I knew that with comedy too. The mother. And every. Yeah. It's still a great show.

[00:45:04] Regardless. Yeah. It has a plot. It has a story. It has. Yeah. Exactly. That's. For seeing the guy. Everybody. Just go out for like. A moment. I mean. There was a funny moment. Where Maddie was. When she was. With her new partner. And I just. Gaffa. Like. Uh. She's a movie buff. So she's like. Yeah. Hey. Well. They were buying from an actual. Shop run by actor. Character actor. Danny Trejo. Like he created. Oh yeah. Taco shop. And I like how. She's naming off. He.

[00:45:34] Uh. You know. From just to dawn. Spike. Yeah. And then she makes fun of him. Like. How don't you know who Danny Trejo is? Exactly. And it's just like. What is wrong with you? Like. Are you living under a rock? Like. You don't know who Danny Trejo is? Right. It was kind of an example. She's like. I. Yeah. I haven't seen any of those movies. It's funny. It's. Yeah. It's. It's kind of a catch-22. Like. You can have. Just like. People who kind of know your face. But they. They literally have not seen your work. So they probably know your. That's true. Yeah. That's true. I was like.

[00:46:03] She should have just googled him. And shown her. A picture. And then that's all. I've seen him in something. I don't think anybody on this planet. Doesn't know who Danny Trejo is. Like. He's been in too much. Like. No. That's crazy. You've seen him on everything. From Mon Family to the Muppets. Exactly. Like. No. That's crazy. Now. You probably didn't know he had all these franchise of shops. Because I didn't know that either until like. Maybe four years ago. Yeah. He took a while to embrace social media. Yeah. No. I didn't know until.

[00:46:33] No. It wasn't four years ago. Maybe like. Five years ago. When I. Because I first went out to LA. For. To go to my mentee's graduation. From UCLA. And. I was looking at places to go to. And. One of his shops popped up. And I said. Oh. I thought. I knew he had one. But I didn't know he had. He was all over. I didn't know it was like. This huge franchise. And. It was a ton of them. And. I was like. Oh wow. He really runs LA. Like. He's all over.

[00:47:04] I was like. Oh. Okay. Right. And. So we stopped at one. When we were. Like. On our way back. Because her family took me all over. And. I was like. Oh my gosh. This is really good. I. I. If I go down there. I mean. And the fact that they're actually. You can tell. It's an LA show. Like. They. They are in corners. Where I'm like. I. I can't. I want them to do a season in San Francisco. Even though that's outside the jurisdiction. He's. He's running it out there.

[00:47:34] You cannot go. Down. We're seeing all the hills. Everywhere. All the intrigue. The Veronica gal. Who was like a former adult film star. Like that. Who's involved in a crime ring. You know. That was a cool role for Jerry Ryan. You know. Who many Mortal Kombat and Star Trek people know. But like. Yeah. Aside from her stretching herself. I liked how. All these characters. You know. Even if they're in a sultry. Or. Gritty. Backstory. They're not. Yeah. I don't have to show you that. Exactly. This isn't HBO.

[00:48:04] This is just. A gritty show. This is a PG-15 show. And I. Same thing with the crime scene photos. Like sometimes they're. Off color. But they're not meant to be gratuitous. They're just trying to be. Yeah. Plausible. Um. And. I liked how. Uh. They. Introduced. The reporter for the LA Times. Uh. Which is a real paper. By the way guys. Uh. Scott Anderson. I liked how. He was used in an unusual way. Where you know. Bosch doesn't want to be around him. Because.

[00:48:33] You know. When he was first seen. He was just. You know. Kind of reporting everything. Including falsely accusing him of corruption. And then he's like. I'm going to use your. You to my advantage. Since you're. Frequenting a lot of blogs. Uh huh. Exactly. And I think one of the. Um. The other best. Like moments. Was the season five. The plane flight. Where. Um. Yes. Oh my god. The cover is blown. Because of. The True Crime blog.

[00:49:04] Yes. And he pulls the knife. Out of the cane. That he's using. As his cover. And then he stabs the smuggler. And then he uses him as the shield. I think that was like. Epic. That was really. That was one of my more favorite baddies. Because like. He. You had to just. You know. Click with it. And I like how they set it up. Yeah. He's looking all gritty. You gotta use the wicks. He. Yeah. You gotta use wicks. A website. But like. And then yeah.

[00:49:33] Using the body shield. But then. Using his. Most unusual. Side by side people. As unusual allies. And it's like. I liked how we backtrack. It's like. Okay. How did he go undercover? Okay. Now you're all caught up. Now. Now you're back to the bill thing. Yeah. Say for them to do the whole. I'm gonna have to kill someone. To prove my loyalty. It's like no. Yeah. Let's just show him.

[00:50:03] Using some of the lingo. And then. Finally sneaking around. And. At. Having to. Motion to other people. It's like. There's gonna be a drop. At this point. And it should be safe to. You know. Cause you will need. Extra firepower. At this point. And. Yeah. The way the guy. Was recruiting all those criminals. Was intriguing. Especially how. Yeah. How he's having to. Use these shipyards. And. At abandoned buildings. In the middle of nowhere. It's this image by day. But at night. We're smuggling in.

[00:50:33] All this other stuff. From drugs to weapons. And I think. The like. Most gut-wrenching. Thing. That ever happened. On any. Bosch. Bosch legacy. Was the way they killed his ex-wife. With the Chinese gang. Riding up on the motorcycle. I mean. And he's like. Sitting there. Trying to give her. First aid. And he's like. Lost her again. And that. That goes back to the trauma. Yes. It's like. Him. His mother. Getting murdered.

[00:51:03] When he was 11. And now. His ex-wife. Who he's. Is the love of his life. Getting murdered. In front of him. While they just had lunch. And then. She's. Literally dying in his arms. Out front. And just having been murdered. By. Two Chinese gangsters. On motorcycles. From the triad. Or whatever. And he never forgives the FBI. He's like. You guys fucking killed her. And. Exactly. By not protecting her. And you.

[00:51:32] It's just like. It's too much. It's like trauma. And trauma. And trauma. And it's like. His whole life has been. Thrown together by little. Traumatic moments. I'm already a bastard. And now. Yeah. It's just like. It's too much. My daughter. I think he's just. I think. He has this stuff. That plays on his mind. And I think that's why. He can't ever just. He'll never be able to find somebody. And like. Truly be happy. And that's why he like.

[00:52:02] Puts all his oil. Into his daughter. Because he's like. That's all I have left. I just have to protect her. And that's what it boils down to. He has. You know. Trust issues. He has everything. And he has mommy issues. And he just. All he can do now. Is he has to. He wants to give justice to women. Yes. And to the people. He still hasn't. The cases he still hasn't solved. Those pictures that he had on his computer. That now he has in his wallet. Of the people he still hasn't solved those cases for.

[00:52:32] And then now. That's a good recurring deal too. Yeah. And then now he just has his daughter to protect. And he's not focused on anything else. He's not focused on finding new love in his life. Or anything else. He's just like. I got to solve cases. And get justice to families. And I have to protect my child. That's it. And I work for me. I answer to me. And I answer to Maddie. Yep. And I asked her. You know. All these magic questions. Like. Are you sure? This can be stressful. It's like. I got.

[00:53:02] Because. They do a good job of harping on the fact. It's not just for plot convenience. It is like. Yeah. Yeah. I mean. It is convenient. Yes. From a writing standpoint. But. It's like. They ironed it out. I mean. That. That moment when. She was. Having to. Like. She was with a friend. Who got pulled over. And they were using hers. Like. Hey. Can your dad. You know. Oh. Get me out of this. It's like. No. I got. I'm not going to do a double standard. You know. It's like. I'm not going to.

[00:53:34] Be used. You know. Just. Because you were. Because you were driving way too fast. And almost hit someone. Exactly. At school. But. Yeah. And then. They always kind of. Show how she's kind of a rebel. And she's often exercising. And stuff. And they. They gave everyone. The right amount of angst. And breathing room. And it helped. That. Again. The wife. Who. Another 24 album. Sarah Clark's a good actress. Who's been in everything. But. I thought it was cool. How. Again. She. She had done.

[00:54:04] She's had an unusual. Lifestyle as well. And they drive each other crazy. But respect each other from afar. It wasn't just. They didn't write her as. I'm a bitch. And you can't stand me. And I'm going to die. It was like. Yeah. No. They like each other. It's just. This thing. This thing backfired. Yeah. It was a very. Very above anyone's pay grain deal. And. Yeah. I'm glad you brought up the Chinese gang. Because like. All. All the gangs that they outline. They do a good job of just showing. Hey.

[00:54:33] Troubles are brewing. They're going to somehow configure. Into the whole thing. And you're not going to know. When the dominoes come falling. You know. Exactly. It's crazy. Because. I mean. Breaking Bad for instance. Was kind of like the anti. Everything show. Like it's one minute. It's a dark comedy. The next minute. It's showing gangsters. But it's not a rise to power thing. And then you're having to. Everybody is not the same person. At the end of the whole thing. It's like. Yeah. This person was always in it. For the money. And this person.

[00:55:06] And harmed them. True. Off screen. And. And I get it. You know. Not every show can balance that out. Sometimes they. They lose interest. Before you get to the plot twist. Because it's just so drawn out. And it's like. This one was. Bosh is really good at. Just like building up. The whole tension. It's like. Yeah. This is going to come back. To haunt the person. Or. Exactly. I mean. Already we got this serial killer. That's come back. Who I didn't think we were going to revisit. I'm glad they revisited. Because like. He's. He's. It's not just that.

[00:55:36] He's effectively creepy. It's like. Okay. He. He matters in the long scheme of things. Because this is going to showcase. How. He's. Tried to abuse the. Legal system. To his advantage. For a while. And now. It was inevitable. That he was going to find a way. To try and escape. And come after Bosh. Because he just wants blood. That's true. I. But. To your real point. I mean. I applaud anybody. Who can make. Anything matter. You know.

[00:56:06] There's nothing worse. When you just write in a story line. And then. Commenantly forget it. Exactly. How do you feel about. His partnership. With Jay Edgar. Like. I feel like they were amazing partners. I mean. Yeah. They had. Fun play on. The infamous head of the FBI. And I like how he's like. The other Jay Edgar. Like. Yeah. My name is Jerry. Yeah. I like how he still had some screen time. They didn't. A lesser show would have just. Written out everybody. And restarted from scratch. They're like. Nope. Everybody's.

[00:56:36] Going off. Doing their own thing. Yeah. They were good though. They were good for a lot of years. Mm-hmm. And. I mean. Because Harry is no picnic. No picnic. Always. Always. You know. On the edge. Of like. We're getting suspended. Because we've. We've broken the rules. We've gone too far. Yes. But. I mean. Like I said. He's. He's always doing it. For the sake of the case. You know. Trying to solve. Who did what. But. You know. He's. He's a rule breaker. He's. He's not like. Oh.

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[00:58:04] It's Brentfist time. Listen at Brentfist.com. Apple podcasts. Or wherever fine podcasts are found. When Bosch isn't working for the department. And he tries to find a way to like get into the interrogation room. That was a fun kind of thing. Yeah. Of distracting everybody. It's like. But. I loved how. They had some cool. Look at. What was his name? Jay Edgar had a cool.

[00:58:35] Storyline where he was having to do his own solo cases. Yeah. Yeah. Because I mean. With all the times that Harry was on suspension. Lord. He had to. He had to figure it out. Yeah. Yeah. Like he had. You know. Kids. And. A wife to support. And everything else. They met during the LA riots. Which. I think. It's so cliche. But I think they did it in the best way. It's like. Of course they met during the most chaotic moment in America. Moment in. Exactly.

[00:59:05] They've seen the pot boil. So many times. And that's how you know that. They were going to be in it through thick and thin. Because they had already met through thick and thin. So. Thick and thin. He had some wonderful suits from Nordstrom. And European shoes. Yeah. And. He cared about his style. And. Harry did not. Harry was like. I'm going to put on a shirt. And pants. And keep him moving. Yeah. And. Let me not show up. But. He's interesting.

[00:59:35] Because he. He and Bosch would do the good cop. Bad cop routine. But he would do it in a very effective way. Where he's like. It looks. Some people say. Oh it's counterproductive. It's like. Yeah. But he got some other info. That the other guy wouldn't have gotten. Exactly. That's true. He's not doing it to be. You know. Well intended asshole or anything. Like you know. He is. Actually trying to. To solve the case. At the end of the day. Pick everybody's brains. Yeah. Yeah. That's what he's. He's always about. You know.

[01:00:05] Solving the case. And getting the perk. So that's what matters. And then. He's the most unscathed out of all these guys. Because he actually balances out his personal life. I think he had a relationship with a fiance. I believe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So he was balancing that out. And. I loved how he was telling. He was like Harry. You know. Girlfriend time. No. I'm not. I'm not going with you. You know. He was. He was trying. He was trying to.

[01:00:34] You know. Get Harry to balance. Yes. But. Harry just couldn't. He was trying to get Harry to balance the way he balanced. But Harry just. That was never going to happen. Because once Harry is locked in on something. It's just. Once Harry gets a case. It's just. Tunnel. It's tunnel vision. Tunnel vision. When that. During the concrete. Blonde case. That was interesting. Because like. They were having to.

[01:01:05] I can't remember if that was in the show or not. Concrete blonde. Was that the. One with the prostitutes? Oh my bad. That was one of the. Tie in books. I think. Yeah. That was the third novel. My bad. Okay. Yeah. I. I dug how. There was all kinds of other. Just. Stuff going on in books. Yeah. I mean. So tell me about the books. What was the like.

[01:01:35] The biggest difference. Between the books and the show. The books is. Definitely way more. Third person perspective. Instead of focusing on. One subplot at a time. Yeah. And. I mean. They show. Kudos to Michael Connolly. Being in the writer's room. So it was the right. Kind of compromise. Yeah. I mean. For instance. Like season six. Introduces the Jamaican. Organized crime. And like. Okay.

[01:02:05] How cool. That they. Balance these guys out. Instead of just having. Offensive. You know. Stereotypes. From the 80s. Yeah. That's true. I love season six. Like season six. Was amazing. And it wasn't from any of the books. But. Connolly approved of it. Because he's like. I want. I want to give this character. That I don't. Elaborate enough. Much. Enough on. In the books. And it's. A tribute to. Actor. Jamie Hector. To allow him to revisit.

[01:02:35] His Haitian roots. I'm like. That's awesome. So this is kind of a meta show. And. The only other show. I can think of. That's doing that. Is. Dark Winds. Yes. I love Dark Winds. You've seen that. Okay. So for those who don't know. It's a. Tony Hillerman adaptation. His. One AMC. Right. His. Some breaking bad people are involved with it. But yeah. I was able to interview his daughter Amy. Who oversees the show. And. She loved how she was able to give the female characters more depth.

[01:03:05] Instead of just be. You know. Beautiful secretaries. But the same kind of deal here is like. This is the right kind of compromise. I like how cable. I don't know why it took so long. So whenever I tell people there's no good TV. I'm like. Got to know where to look. Yes. I get that there are some that are going to drive you crazy. But. You know. The. I feel like finally the 10 episode arc is finally. The best way to go about it. Because people embrace it like an. Edgy mini series. Yes.

[01:03:36] Give everybody a moment in the sun. Instead of just. Well I don't know what to do with that character. That's true. And. Kudos to him for. Just. Much like Dark Winds. Connelly and company. Do all the right kind of compromises. And they. They. They. They. They've given everybody. Something to do. Like. When they introduced. Oh. What's her name from. NYPD Blue. Um.

[01:04:06] Oh. I can't. I can't go all the way back to NYPD Blue. I know. Let me Google it for you. Oh no. Jacqueline Abradars. Yeah. She. When. When she joined. On Bosch. That was cool. Because. She was another one. Uh. I like how. She. Is in a relation. With another officer. And Billitz is like. There's not going to be any tension. Between you guys. Right. Oh yeah. As like. See. I liked how they addressed. You know. Rumors in the workplace. Yeah. Yeah. Detective Vega.

[01:04:36] Is well meaning. But then on. Intentionally says something. That is misconstrued. And it's like. Guys. I. You got to mind your business. You got it. You can't. You can't be taking this out of. Especially if you're on the same. Same case. You know. So. I liked how. Instead of this. Something crazy. Like tough love. Or anything. It's like. No. Let's. Here's what we got to do. To keep. A workplace. You know. Mishap from happening. Because otherwise.

[01:05:05] Then just. More disgraceful. Full stuff. Comes out. And I have to just. I can either. Fire you. Or I can reassign you. You know. Like. And I don't want to reassign you. Because you're very talented. True. And. I liked how they just. Did it in a way. Without feeling like. Yeah. That's so. That's too convenient. That's too. Simple. Yeah. Darkman. Really. Really good. I like. Yeah.

[01:05:35] That it's. A little. It's not. It's. It's suspense. It's a little thriller. It's a little crime. It's. It gives you all the feels. I'm glad that we're contrasting it with that. Because like. It's. I mean. Like you said. It's a good year. Year. For crime shows. That are stuff. But. It stinks having to tell people. Is like. It doesn't. It's not just on network TV. Or cable. Like. Yeah. No.

[01:06:04] It's all over. Everywhere. It's just. And. I mean. Hillerman can be. Hard to get into as well. But I. Same deal. Like. If you do. If. I think. I find that. One can grow into it. I mean. Longmire was similar. And it brought together all kinds of people. People who were fans of the. Semi-known actors. As well as. People who were both into. And not into westerns. Were watching it. And same deal. Like. I'm western. I'm sad that.

[01:06:34] Yellowstone is over. You know. Yellowstone's a good contrast. I mean. That was another example. It was like. Everyone was like. Oh. It was a conservative show. I'm like. It's a show for all kinds of people. And. It sure is. I mean. I don't think you even have to put politics into it. It wasn't. Right. I mean. Just because he became governor. And they tried to. They tried to shape it. After what was going on in the real world. I mean. I mean. It wasn't that deep.

[01:07:04] Yeah. Make it. I always. No. It wasn't that deep. I agree. It was always. It was. A mix of soap. Mixed in with 80s. Kind of over the top. Kind of. Action. Western. Westerns. You need to watch the prequels. You need to watch 1988. And. 1923. I mean. 1888 and 1923. I mean. Now that's a real. Real Western. That's. Yeah. First. That started.

[01:07:33] With the. Both. With the actual. Yellowstone. Property. How all these guys. Were the same kind of family. Throughout. These different decades. How they stole. The property. From the. From the. From the indigenous people. But we not going to go there. Yeah. I mean. It was inevitable. And. I liked how. At least there were some Navajo characters. In here. Without. Yeah. Them being one dimensional. But. I mean. For God's sake. Producer Sheridan has.

[01:08:04] You know. Free other. Action crime shows. On TV. As well. I'm addicted. To. Um. Uh. Whatchamacallit. I can't think. Kingstown. Or. And. Tulsa. And. No. No. I'm. Well. I like Tulsa too. I like Tulsa King. With my guy Stallone. But. I love. And. I love Mary Kingstown. With. My other guy. Yeah. Ritter. No. Zoe Saldana. Uh.

[01:08:33] Lioness. Yeah. In Lioness. And. It's so wild. How he had to. Get rid of some of his writers. Because they weren't following his instructions. He's like. You know. I can make. Five times my money. Just. Locking myself in a writer. His room. Buying all this private property. That will use those film sets. I'm like. You go dude. Yeah. He did that? Yeah. He wasn't agreeing with one of the Sopranos writers. He's like. Okay. You're not going to be showrunner anymore. But. I'll let you write a few episodes. Wow. You know what?

[01:09:03] That doesn't even surprise me. Because his ego is. You know what? Let me stop. Anyway. Yeah. He was an actor. Turned producer. And he. He got to that point. Where. Did you see the Yellowstone finale? Everybody was complaining about. I didn't. I didn't want to watch this finale. This extended finale. To watch you ride on a horse for 20 minutes. Yeah. I. I'll just say it this way. I want them to do a spinoff. With. With just the kids. Yeah.

[01:09:34] But now. That's right out. So. I mean. Beth. Beth and Rip are getting a spinoff. But. Yeah. Beth. Beth can hold her own. Because like. Because Beth is a firecracker. I love her. Oh. And it's just so wild. You know. She. She clearly was a bully growing up. But then you see how she was all hard. And it's like. Yeah. She didn't. She didn't get this way under. Not overnight. She knows. All the sins that exist. And she uses all the ranch hands. To her advantage. Versus all these other people. Who keep backstabbing everybody. And.

[01:10:05] Oh. You mean. You want. A spinoff with. Damn ass kids. Nah. I. Just Beth. Just Beth. Something else. Because. Because. I mean. That would be cool too. Maybe. I. They already destroyed the house. So they not putting it together. Again. I think that's the other thing. I mean. It's over. But this is what I love. There's like. Five different. Big. Big.

[01:10:34] Franchises. On TV now. And. They're either streaming. I mean. If anything though. Like with. With Bosch. I would love to see him. Just Titus do just one cameo. He doesn't have to say his name. But. We imply that he's Harry Bosch. Yeah. I know right. I was thinking. I was like. There's so many different things. That. Like. People. Have rebooted. And they're terrible reboots. Yes. But they didn't even have to say they were. It's just because.

[01:11:04] They said that they were that reboot. That people hated it. But if they didn't say that they were that reboot. People probably would have loved it. But it's just because that they ruined. Mm-hmm. People's image. Of. A reboot. They. They would have probably just been fine. If they would have called themselves another name. Right. And it's like. Stop trying to reboot something. Stop trying to replace. A beautiful memory that people have. In their head. Of something. Of a classic that they loved.

[01:11:34] And it's just. Call it something else. It's like. Why do you have to be a reboot of something? Like. It was perfectly fine. Like. When they tried to make the black Uncle Buck. It didn't last. It didn't even last the whole season. But why did you have to be the black version of Uncle Buck? Uncle Buck is a classic. I love Uncle Buck. You're right. Like. Why did. Why did Michael Epps have to be the black Uncle Buck? If he would have just been.

[01:12:04] He could have been Buck. He could have been. He could have been Jerry. For all we care. You could have been whatever you wanted to call yourself. And could have just been perfectly fine. Being an uncle. Watching your. Watching your brother's kids. And nobody would have said anything. If you would have called yourself Jerry. Have been on CBS. And you probably. I'm just saying. Yeah. I feel like half the time. Just. Be inspired by.

[01:12:35] Exactly. Like. Why. Call yourself anything. Like. Why. Like. Do that to yourself. Even that show on ABC. Right. High potential. When I watched the first episode. I loved it. But then when I saw it in the bottom credits. It said. Inspired by. H.I.P. Yeah. French show. I went on Hulu. And it came up in my. It came up in my. Suggested shows. Like.

[01:13:04] Three seasons of the French show. And then when I realized. Each episode was exactly the same. It turned me. I mean. I watched it. That's how I know. Every episode is exactly the same. As the French show. Oui oui. So. Back to the head. I'm thinking. I hope they don't do this. I hope they don't do that. I hope they don't. I mean. It was still good. Because it's a great cast. Like. I love the actors that are on it.

[01:13:33] It's pretty hard to goof up concept. But. Yeah. I know what you mean. But now. Like. Why do they have. Why do they have to do the exact same show. Like. Everything exactly the same way. Like. They couldn't change. Like. The writers couldn't be one original thing. They. They. They must have. Got the exact same. From the French writers. Because when I say. The exact language is the same. It's crazy. Yeah. I. This is what's just so wild too. I've had my share of like. I didn't like the foreign shows. Certain show.

[01:14:03] Movies or shows were based on. And then vice versa. It's like. Yeah. But. If you've seen one. Why do you want to see it again. In a different language. You know. It's. And that's. I'm like. Okay. Like. That's crazy. It really is. Yeah. And now. The. The. The foreign. Ugly Betty is on. From the 80s. What? Yeah. And it's on. It's on. Time. That. Like. No. It's on.

[01:14:33] I binged that. The other day. And I'm like. I guess they're rebooting it. They said. They rebooted in the. One from the 80s. And so now. They have a lot of flashbacks. So they're saying. But. Um. Um. This is what they're doing. And they. They really. They. They're showing what they look like in the 80s. They're doing a lot of flashbacks. In between the scenes. And stuff like that. So they're. They look really good now. I'm like. Oh. They aged. They all age really well. They look good. But I'm like.

[01:15:03] Oh. Okay. This is interesting. So they're rebooting. Their original ugly Betty. And so now. Because I guess they didn't do that back then. So now we get to see it. So I'm like. Oh. This is really interesting. Well. For instance. I like the new. Right. Frazier. Because like. Okay. Same. Overall gist. They had new people. Being added. And then the. Favorite characters returned. And same crew. That was working on it. But. Sometimes that's not the case either.

[01:15:33] I've seen my share of. They bring. The whole thing back. And then you're like. Yeah. But. The. Cast and crew. Just is rusty. You know. Right. Exactly. And so. I'm all about. Just. Is the concept. Good. You know. Is. Is it worthwhile. Or is it just going to be. You know. Tired.

[01:16:03] And then. I saw on Netflix. That they. Did a reboot. Of the monsters. The monsters. Oh yeah. And I was like. I didn't even see that. Advertise. Back. I saw it came back. In 2022. And I'm like. Well there was a lot. Like. Pandemic error. I was watching a lot. So I was like. Maybe I just missed that. But I was like. Even the trailer. It looks. It looks weird. I was like. Yeah. I haven't heard anything good. Trio Max. Will come out with stuff. But then they cancel. Some other stuff.

[01:16:32] I'm like. You guys are throwing money at stuff. And not letting it stick. Just. Let it fester. Let it. Give it a moment. Wow. Okay. Yeah. It looks. It looks really corny. It was like. Mm-hmm. I just need to stop. Yeah. Stop. Save some of that money. And give it to talented. Up and coming people. Right. That's what you're doing. But. Don't just be flinging it. For the hell of it.

[01:17:02] I don't understand. And. I mean. I see. I see other people doing. Like petitions for stuff. I'm like. Oh. Trust me. I'm sure they've tried everything. And. Networks like to do this whole. You will not sell this to other stuff. I'm like. Well. Give me no choice. If you cancel my thing. Before it comes out. Wow. So. I'm hoping the best for. Some of these other shows. That I've had to find other homes. And. Yeah. I'm looking forward to.

[01:17:31] How Bosch turns out. Same thing with Lincoln Lawyer. That thing can go on a little longer. And I'm glad Netflix. It's so good. I'm like. No. They can't get rid of that anytime soon. If they keep writing like that. It is. It is phenomenal. I love Lincoln Lawyer. Totally. It is. Absolutely. It's. It's happening. Yeah. It has to. It has to keep going. At least another two seasons. Because. Mm-hmm. It has so many. Loose ends.

[01:18:01] They need to keep going. Yes. Oh my god. Oh. And. The fact that you can. David and Kelly's company. Has just always. Tried to find new ways to. Breathe new life. Into the stump. Something like this. Instead of just. Everybody's going to be dating each other. In the office. It's like. Yeah. No. He's. Exactly. I. I knew something. It's kind of the oldest trick in the book. Now. Now they get to the point where it is like. Okay. I know someone did something bad.

[01:18:31] But I had no idea. You know. It was going to be this and that. And it's. There's so many layers to it. You can't just say. It was just one and done. With one plot twist. You know. Yeah. And. They. They just. They know how to. Um. Put in. Like. It's not just trauma. Trauma. Like with. Like with. Yes. Oh my God. It's like. And they know how to surprise you in the right way. Right. Because I did not.

[01:19:00] That car bomb was going to happen. I did not know. Just. The. The little moments. So. They. They definitely know that show is. Chef's kiss. Chef's kiss. And. The right moments. And that's what I love about that show. So. When he's. First surfing. You're like. What is that about? It's like. Oh. Trust me. Yeah. Exactly. There's something to this. It's. Sure. So.

[01:19:30] And I like when they put in. Like. The little. Flashback. Memories. And. Yeah. So. They're. They're. They're. They're. They're. They're. They're. They're. They're. They're. Jewish. They're. They're. They're. They're. They're. Just giving. All. Kinds of. Unusual. Personas. You know. He's. Following. This. One. Sex. Worker. Around. Who's. He's. Helping. Get rid of all. Her. Bad. Apple. Connections.

[01:19:56] And then there's all these other people who, you know, have had everything from just realtors who aren't as clean cut as they seem. And, you know, restaurant business. Again, you know, like they're making use of all these giant L.A. scenarios instead of just from the headlines. Yeah, exactly. And talk about Bosch with the textbook mommy issues. And with the textbook issues.

[01:20:27] It's just everybody with issues. It's just. But it made each one of them want to be a really great parent to their daughters. So that's how it shaped, you know, to really good parents. And it's wild how in the books he was the half Bosch is the half brother of the Lincoln lawyer Mickey. But.

[01:20:54] I did see that. And that's why it says that they same metaphorical neighborhood. Like they're in the same neighborhood. I did read that in my research. And. But, hey, you know, that's just not where the cookie crumbled. You know, Netflix bought one. Amazon bought the other. So.

[01:21:16] But I'm just glad Conley can find some credibility because, you know, when they were first adapting his work, you know, it was just like he had like one really bad Clint Eastwood movie that was nothing like his book. And he. Instead of like other authors being outspoken, he kind of just implied. Yeah, I just took the money on that one. It wasn't. But now I get to finally support my vision and make this cinematic instead of just.

[01:21:42] This is only for book fans, you know, I kudos to anybody who can adapt something complex and make it make all all all all personas happy, because even if we read a book, we wanted to be someone like it. But but also kind of complimentary, but not. It's just annoying when having to describe to people is like, yeah, that's fine, but it's dumbed down. Like, look at Jack Reacher. There's a big difference from the movie, which is nothing like the book.

[01:22:10] Reacher movie and the series. And I just I love I love the original with Tom Cruise. And I love the my series. Trust me. It's fine. But like it's a it's a whole different oyster. You know, I can't even imagine how different the books are. Oh, the books are very much like every spy movie or show. You kind of like like character, you know, wakes up. He doesn't know how he got here.

[01:22:37] And now he's having to get a gun and open fire at someone as they're running real fast. It's it's got that immediacy, which matters versus I'm fancy pants and I'm going to seduce people. And it's like, no. Done. Done. Doesn't work in real life. Sorry, guys. This is not a this is not a fancy man's fantasy. Let's let's not go there. Let's let's. It's just amazing.

[01:23:05] I'll see other people is like I'll see people make empty statements like this is too politically correct. I'm like, this is nothing like the real world guys. Come on. And sometimes it's OK to be PC, you know, it's like just. It's OK to make a show that's edgy without angering everybody. And at the same time, make a show that breaks rules without actually hurting someone. You know, just.

[01:23:34] And that's that's what I really like about the series, because. Yes. It's really good action. And it's just really good action. And the characters don't feel like the same person. That can be a problem sometimes when you watch a show and they're like the same persona, but stretched out to five people. It was like, you got to just stretch out the writer's room and kudos to Amazon for deciding this is how we're going to do it.

[01:24:00] It's like we're going to adapt popular books and we're going to make it be an addicting, you know, eight to 13 episode deal each season. You know, it's just. You're like, oh, my God, what is going to happen next? Like, wait, why did that happen? Wait, why are they after this person? Wait, he's dead. Why? Why? Why is he dead? Why is he dead? And every person matters. Even. And just when you think they're only one episode is like, no, we're going to come around to this. We're going to do a flashback.

[01:24:29] That's actually germane. You're like, wait, why is he dead? Wait, who is he? Why does he matter again? Oh, he's encompasses all this. And how's the how's the character going to grow? How are they going to go outside their agency? And, you know, and so, yeah, kudos where Bosch went. I'm going to try and get other people into it because. I don't know.

[01:24:57] It seems like it's hard to pitch someone on a show. And. Oh, one excuse I sometimes will hear is like, oh, I don't you know, I don't have any of those streaming platforms. It's like, well, what do I have to do? Yeah. Prime. Prime has some really killer shows. Do you need to subscribe for two months and then cancel? You said what? Do you need to subscribe for two months and then cancel? No, no, no, no. I.

[01:25:28] I use my friends. Prime. OK, well, there you go. I use my other friends, Peacock. And then I use. My other friends, Disney Plus. There you go. To watch the what if series on Disney Plus. There you go. See, I do a lot of my fair share of sharing as well.

[01:25:54] And then my friends use my stars because, of course, I have to watch power. I love stars and yes, power rolls. And that would be a cool crossover. Bosch comes to New York and encounters all the crooked attorneys like, honey, I need your help. And my friends are also using my Paramount Plus. I borrow my uncles. It's so funny. We got Spectrum. My dad's like, we got free Paramount Plus. I'm like, yeah, but.

[01:26:24] My Spectrum account because most of my friends don't have cable. Oh, there you go. So there you go. Oh, yeah. All these TV universes, man. They're still kicking butt. They're still staying relevant. Yeah. I think the last while because they're not. It's funny. The people who I encountered who knew about these kinds of shows, they were a mix of both people who would like that kind of thing and then aren't the crowd. But it surprised them. It got them hooked somehow. It just some.

[01:26:53] All of these. This material we've discussed tonight found a way to keep it fresh and sharp. And it's I'm always impressed by who I find who is into this kind of stuff. I'm like, interesting. Wow. I had no idea you were into that. You should have told me. Yeah. Yeah. And then I can't wait for my. All of my Dick Wolf shows to come back next week. So. There you go, man. There you go. They're still staying as strong as they can.

[01:27:22] I applaud anyone who can try and. And it's probably going to be the most viewed they've had in probably a year or because they're having the crossover event. Yes. Every time the crossover event, you know, the fans get crazy. So. Well, and I'm for it because there's nothing. I've seen so many bad crossovers. But then when I see people who do it so well, it's like you can take up as much as my time and waste as much of it as you want.

[01:27:51] Now you've earned it instead of like because the CBS shows would do that and be like. These guys don't get a line together and it doesn't work. These guys, they're the same universe. So. Well, do you have anything else you'd like to play? We're excited. That's great. Do you have anything else you'd like to play? No, I'm good.

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