Favorite Moments on ALTERED CARBON TV Show (with Filmmaker Elvery Tren Peters!)

[00:00:03] [SPEAKER_04]: I was born on Earth, I was the richest man on several planets by the age of 74.

[00:00:13] [SPEAKER_04]: The first time I died I was 99.

[00:00:16] [SPEAKER_04]: New technology transferred my consciousness to a new body.

[00:00:20] [SPEAKER_04]: For 263 years I slaved into new bodies.

[00:00:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Living on in perfect health.

[00:00:29] [SPEAKER_04]: But last night, the age of 365, I died again.

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[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_07]: I became out when I hadn't seen the trailer for it.

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_07]: I didn't know it was a book series at first.

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_07]: I was a series first, fell in love with the first season.

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_07]: I was a second season with Pistoff when they cancelled up season 2.

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_07]: I went back, read the books, I'm having book reader books, and it's true what they say.

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_07]: I had times I had 10 or better than the actual, I had to redo a live action version.

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_07]: I had to go back to the book, and I had to go back to the book.

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_07]: I had to go back to the book, because you get more stories about films.

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_07]: Every book did the main to a film or show is an adaptation.

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_07]: Because every night, everything from a book could translate on screen.

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I think, like, a great friend you're hearing tonight.

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_02]: All is a book of film colleague and imaginative visionary filmmaker over-retrain Peters back on the show.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_07]: Like, which one had been on those big?

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It's been forever, but I'm your host, Sully, and I was new.

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_02]: One episode was not enough to contain the love of Paulard Carbon.

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_02]: There we are for the second roundtable check.

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_05]: This is a ghost story.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Technology is conquered death.

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_05]: In this future comes in this past.

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_05]: We're trailed by Spectres.

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_05]: They cling to us like shadows.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_05]: But if you chase after your ghosts,

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_05]: You just might become one.

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, how we first, the first thing we talked about the following.

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_07]: And then we were talking about doing 24 episodes.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I never thought got some good ratings.

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't believe it.

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought I was going to be, what are they care about?

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I've got canceled.

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I've got canceled before it took me a long time.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_07]: I think it was a great show.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_07]: I got canceled before it took me a long time.

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_07]: At least you had that four season.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_07]: If it would have been the four season.

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_02]: People just aren't patient, and I'm just like, well,

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm the same system.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I get it.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I get that it's a lot to ask.

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time, I mean,

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_02]: You know they're looking at ratings and reviews and everything.

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_07]: And then my ratings moments, the ratings aren't what they like,

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, because when we live in the age where there's so much content out there,

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, hello, they like, well, she we can cancel this.

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_07]: We got this other thing over here.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_07]: I all the carbon similar thing to like, you know,

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_07]: how you know it.

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_07]: The reason why they net the claim that canceled it was because it was their viewership or

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_07]: the reason was like, what I read up on it was more expensive than when it

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_07]: the first three seasons, I came with their own studio.

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_02]: That makes sense because there are other comfort stories for their other shows.

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And this was a pop.

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_07]: The girls are very first season was actually low budget.

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_07]: Like, you know, when you go back and actually read one of the things,

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_07]: that was actually very low budget.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, damn. I didn't know all I knew is they read the pilot after they picked it up.

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, they didn't do the reading the pilot. And then, but like it compared to later season,

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_07]: compared to like, like, you know, house of drag and other shows nowadays,

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_07]: like the first season for game of throwing was actually pretty low budget.

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, that's what I can look at them.

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, or before everyone started being or went off the charts.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_07]: Or Martin and he has one of his complaints is in the first season, like, you know,

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_07]: a lot of certain shots, certain scenes they did didn't translate well from the book because again,

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_07]: they didn't give it, I mean, you know, it's the first season.

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, it's the first season unless it's something they really high up on.

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_07]: They're only going to throw a certain amount of money to see how the go.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_07]: Depending on the show and the content, but yeah, the first game of throwing was actually pretty low budget.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_07]: Then when it was a hit, then that's when they started throwing them more money.

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I know enough likes to claim for their other shows.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, we only give them like two season runs.

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And then it just that light didn't make sense anymore when they were letting other shows like, oh, Zark and stranger things keep going.

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_07]: And I mean, those show, I mean,

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_07]: Stranger things wasn't supposed to be the hit, well, that was something else.

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_07]: I didn't expect it to be.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Some of those shows that would have taken off still got canceled during the pandemic because they were just like,

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_02]: you know, your leases up and was like, well, hold on. You don't say it.

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_07]: All the carbon was one of three shows that got canceled right when the pandemic hit.

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_07]: All the carbon premiered literally like a week or two season two premier like a week or two before the pandemic actually hit hit like in the in her word.

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_07]: Gamma Rao was watching season two when I was moving to my house.

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yes.

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_07]: It was I was on spring break and then bam,

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_07]: And then me full on hits and schools canceled for us to semester as when we don't lock down.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_07]: But yeah, it was one of the first shows that during the COVID area that was canceled.

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_07]: But again, there's years like Netflix at the same excuse they always use what the see how the beer shit versus cost of show.

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_07]: And again, if they had the first season was the same that bigger budget than what the first three season the game of thrones.

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_07]: I can someone understand that and I see it and we get into a bit more.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_07]: I can actually understand why this show was probably canceled and probably to be honest when I kind of break down some of the books stuff you kind of see story about us looking.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, really wasn't much more story they could do like let's take a look talk about season one season one.

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean season one for most part is a very very very good.

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_07]: The war.

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_07]: It's clearly the is for the most part it's like over it's like 98% what the first book is the Richard Morgan wrote.

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I like I'm looking through through through the lens of two different eyes now and we had a prior to reading the book series and after reading the book series.

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_07]: First season from the original watch and the rewatch still love it.

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_07]: Now that I read through the book some of the changes I understand some of the changes they made and characters though.

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_07]: Season a work.

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't necessarily think they should have done some of those changes but from dramatic purposes I understand you need.

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_07]: You have, you know, any kind of any kind of drama you need characters that audience appeals to gets behind.

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_07]: There you go.

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_07]: Let's go about I mean I love both the TV version, the book version, the book version, the man he's a savage on the show at times but when you read the books the man is a fuck is savage.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that is it's a good point.

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_07]: One of my favorite scenes like like we're talking about memorandum homets like season one right.

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_07]: Remember when he's kidnapped by these kidnapped and taken to that that it looks like it's like a clinic to help people but I guess.

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_07]: We're definitely cutting out their organs and shit so they put them in the old virtual room where they go to try to torture information and think he's riker.

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a good point because like and I think that's just the opening alone like the pilot like I knew I was in it for the wild thing because for the whole run because instead of it just being just any fight scene you get this.

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Moody narration you seem waking up he's like and this isn't my body and you're like whoa hold the front door what's going on yeah.

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, I think and I'll see they got the got the people work as a military talking shit you know he's going through you know changing the sleeves so anyone saying I'm not sure about this content like you have five seconds to leave if this gets uncomfortable like you everything.

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_07]: That's happening now it's going to happen for the rest of the first five minutes of the first episode sets to tone for the whole.

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_07]: Yes, it sets to tone for the whole fucking series in fact actually.

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I must very soon even like you go on back to the virtual stuff like when he takes over the construct you know eventually they pull him out they think he's a.

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_07]: The book and see how I love how the show how it shows when he kills the people in the room they need goes out and you just hear him shooting up everybody then.

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_07]: The next episode we see the aftermath of a cops get their real take a you see that even cut this fucking guys head off and took it back to the hotel.

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_07]: They go through they actually go through that whole fucking scene and then my slaughtering those people because the torture they did him.

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_07]: Is even worse because in the book when he's in the virtual world he's in the body of a woman.

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_07]: Right, the body of Lizzy's mom when in the virtual world and the things they that the way they torture him is like I'm not going to go on detail but like there's one scene where it deals with.

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_07]: The private area and a.

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a casino royal type torture senior.

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it's much but I mean it's even more brutal even film that they even get a TV have a very interesting lot of guys.

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_07]: No, I mean if you watch the witcher you could remember in the woods.

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they want to.

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, you don't want to put the action.

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_07]: But yeah, I'm about that scene from the witcher when she gets her or is removed when she gets to the ghost when a what you're going to choose that I can't even watch that scene and I'm used to go or she could like that's just like.

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I typically don't but that once you like that's a little bit too much even for me.

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_07]: But he will like yeah, but that's showing the difference between book and show.

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_07]: But like in the book it goes through like him going through that room killing people the eternal monologue because men to the book.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm not sure all told the first person like he's literally like, narrow.

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_02]: That's definitely the biggest difference well the show is kind of more of an ensemble we see and we hear inside his mind but we also get or take a.

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but good gangsters.

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_07]: In turn, well like the like beginning in their iterations from like a co-batch does is away from kind of.

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_07]: Getting some of that from the book into the show to my first person point of view, but yeah, like in the book he did it goes through that whole scene of him killing system, actually killing them and he real depths all of them blows out their stacks and like.

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_07]: Again, I love how they showed it in the first season.

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_07]: I get why you know, for filmmakers point of view, I understand, you know public and audience I understand why they don't versus tell yeah.

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, because sometimes it's sometimes is better to leave it up to the viewers imagination because nothing.

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_07]: Nothing scarier than what you had nothing scarier more fucked up than what you imagined here old mind.

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_07]: Everything is there scarier whatever not as scary as how you see when we're on head.

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_07]: But yeah, that's one of my favorite scenes from season one.

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely, I for this, I went to research gate and so a great write up on cyberpunk's not dead by Anna cocaine and she talks about how it's changed in different formats.

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_07]: It had been in the day everything still goes everything goes back and later on.

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely, and I think it's so funny how the creators were like, it is Blade Runner, but we're not trying to have it be the same universe.

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_07]: It's just, I mean, any any cyberpunk story that you see, you know, where there's alter carbon or I mean the expansos a lot to total recall.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_07]: But it all goes back to with the Philip K. Dick did his imagination with you know history.

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_02]: It's hard to create a post utopia and make it, don't look for versus on the talk about that.

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm not even talking about like storing some of the mean look at cyberpunk stories in general, you get the tone settings the dooper it gets with the.

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_02]: The aesthetic, you know corporations, cyber, and I think it's the pilot takes stuff.

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_07]: My friend can friend my name Cameron is brother and created this RPG game.

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, lovely.

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_07]: Excellent punk and I was a writer for I was a writer.

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_07]: I wrote a story from the first edition.

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_07]: They were working on the second edition. I was a head writer for it and I was working on adding different stuff to the world, but you know even in their world, you know that's.

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_07]: Love it, you know, they add a lot, you know hip hop and stuff like that music and different things that was a huge element they added to their world of cyberpunk.

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_07]: We're excellent punk, but in the day it still all goes back to again later on or Philip K. Dick.

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that's fine.

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, you know, you know, you're cops.

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, you know, corporations, you know, economy greed and being barbarians fighting each other to death.

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_07]: Every single cyberpunk story really is all about as human, as human as evil, through technology and science, you know, how is, you know, economic and societal issues still persists and they get.

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_07]: And they're really worse.

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, even if you're eating their own and aliens a perfect example running man.

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, technically, he dates later on or when you get more, we still see aspects of that, even though they get that label mainly because of the armor and other technology they're using.

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, I'm going to let's let with you know, you know, still those corporate greed and things up like that covered things up stuff like that.

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not later Star Trek does that but I mean, I, I applied anyone who does a cyberpunk movie and as long as they take these inspirations it.

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of look for it the way I look for like a expiles kind of show is like as long as you're doing your own thing instead of just doing a little snock off.

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, which a cootler did black Panther and a creed he is.

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_07]: He's rebooting the X files.

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know, I'm still going to if the on that because I'm such a little bit original Chris Carter did and I'll be kind of weird.

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_07]: I have a folder of scholarly there, but it's it's common that's starting to break or gave his blessing so you know if they want to make it in tall G shell on coal.

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_07]: Like, is he owns it now.

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_07]: Carter did give his blessing.

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_07]: He's he is interested to see what they do with it.

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Scully's now Disney Princess.

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_07]: Technically that take.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, wait like but all the carmen like that so one of the chain post rating the book series one of the changes I don't like now.

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_07]: Are you on the show the on retrospect.

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, the on boys, you know, on the show are terrorist groups, but in the book they're actually these special forces group other.

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_02]: That's that's a good point because kind of like how the books are kind of more.

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Hopy.

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh, guard ass like the show kind of goes more.

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Lean heavily or into the play runner influence and that that is a good point is like on the show they're total freedom fighters and on the book they're like.

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Just a five group.

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like more cryptic instead of upfront.

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, that goes back you know, with most things, you know, you have, you know, the little underdog fighting against, you know, his own people and.

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, even for a big life, you know, and the show, the on boys are, you know, to caution there, but they're the David while the two, but the the first families and the.

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_07]: And the, you know, protect or you know, go lie if they're these big entities that are crushing the, you know, the lower people, you know, people in the lower classes.

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_02]: What they like.

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I show has a more as kind of a desk what almost where they're like, we're willing to die for this cost.

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, but like, you know, the on boys are, again, they're especially in the books they're special for there.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_07]: The people you send in to just take in any time the subtle world has an issue or something.

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_07]: They're sent in they take everybody out and the same thing like in the show, you know, I am in with the Rollins Vars.

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_07]: Same thing happens in the book and that's the same, you know, they trigger the, the, the, the trigger.

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_07]: The Rollin vars are they don't, they're triggered are they don't warn the on boys that's about to happen and.

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_07]: And then the book, you know, just like in the show.

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_07]: Was it a Jimmy Soto, you know, he couldn't, you know, he knives and the book he dies and co-vush arms as he's ripping his own eyes out from the Rollins Vars.

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_07]: And that is his motivation to leave the on boys.

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_07]: The books like this is right, even in the.

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, no, I was there's no tears, but then the book you know, when you join when you're encouraged to join the on boys, once you if you leave, you're not allowed to hold it government or corporate position, because your on boys, they're so good at manipulation and you know using things to revenge from there.

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_02]: You're on a leash now, basically stripped of privileges.

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, why in did differently.

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, yeah, I said, you know, skipping the second book if they would have done like the second book for the second season and like built up on the.

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_07]: And there's a lot of people that if you were the second season was because they, there's a lot of convoluted and you would get second season as a whole.

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And I still enjoyed even some stuff I had to rewatch like the first two episodes like wait, do I miss something no, okay, I'm caught up now.

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_07]: Episodes, they threw in a whole lot of shit there. Oh, and got kind of convoluted this.

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Why is he in the skin now versus why is he like this, a flashback versus this is in the now.

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, that's the great thing about you know, for me, I thought it was a great thing to like each story, he's in a different body, so like you don't, you know, see.

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I dug the political intrigue and some of the other stuff seeing the freedom fighters now in a different light and like, okay, cool so that.

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a listener.

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_07]: I was always there as like, it looks up.

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_07]: That's one of the best elements of ultra coverage, but it's just how they went about.

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_07]: The original.

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_07]: I was having a career license when you do an adaptation, they know ads and stuff to make a different you don't want to be exactly the same, but then when they're the stuff with the Martian in season two, I thought that it makes sense.

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I love Renee Lays Goldberry from Hamilton.

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_07]: She's great as well. I mean, again, I get why they did the whole love story angle.

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_07]: I get that.

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_07]: I really, you know, in the book she's not really just so, she's just as evil as gangster that he had come across before he went out ice and then he really hated her.

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_07]: So then he made sure to read the real diver.

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_07]: I get again, you create in a drama, you create in a character you want fans behind.

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_07]: You want them to be synthetic to, you know, doing whole family and visiting the book series to covaluate.

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_07]: He does come from the abuse of household.

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, actually.

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I do in white one more.

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_07]: Me that is the basis for his for him being so traumatized, you know, growing up washing his dad and to shit.

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_07]: I was my own since he was she fun.

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a good call back.

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And so this is where it's kind of so hard to kind of separate the two because I get it, you know, like kind of like teams you want to pick a team and it's like well, the show was kind of does it differently with how showing how he takes the skins and acquires the memories as well as

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_02]: acquires the different lifestyle while the books are kind of more just take your time and then

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_02]: you know, got you.

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_02]: There's no surprise.

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_07]: There is, you know, there's no black and white everybody.

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_07]: There's a great.

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_02]: So I was described on page 50 and now by page 70, I'm really about it.

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_07]: It's like there's no black and white and then everything is a great character in those books.

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_07]: Nobody's innocent, you know, but it's like you're all everybody and it's no way we're all guilty of something.

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[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_07]: Another thing again, why I think if they would have went more with the second book with second scene.

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_07]: Because like again, when you came Morgan shows these different atmospheres, different type of worlds.

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_07]: Like earth is very, you know, cyberpunk, you know, society.

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_07]: Section 14 is basically just a war zone on one.

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_07]: Harlem's world as we saw in the show is kind of like a mining, we know,

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_07]: or type of planning.

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's basically a futuristic coal mine factory.

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_02]: It's funny how you brought up.

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Dan, what's her name?

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Ray Lane because.

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_02]: The ambitious governor in season two, Danica almost seems like I feel like she's kind of the other side of the coin.

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_02]: He is, she is from power hungry and so he's right.

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I did it's not a good idea.

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_07]: But like you know, she's on the criminal side of things.

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. She has totally been a politician way too long, so she's like, what's drill, baby?

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Like no, let's not.

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we love Lauren from power and.

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_07]: I love she's I was my shit.

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_07]: I watched that for me and then she's brilliant.

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_07]: I like yeah, that was the first thing she did.

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_07]: Post power and like I thought that was a perfect casting and her actually playing the actual building.

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_09]: Charming. Yeah.

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_07]: Again, second season story was very convoluted but.

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, all the actors did it really good.

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_07]: Like I'm I go back and forth on the public.

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_07]: I enjoy.

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_07]: I enjoy.

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't go. I just brought that up because I know some fans were like, I refused to watch it.

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I was supposed to be Jimmy Hendrix and it's like, okay, I get it.

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_02]: But they didn't have the right to use this image from his estate.

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_02]: So they went with that girl and pull.

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I mean, you, that's yeah, they can do it.

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, and books is hard to see even harder sometimes in books to get away with that, but as easier to get away with that.

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Basically the problem with the book is the people complaining.

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_02]: They have to actually read and have the time if they just want to jump on a random van wagon.

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it makes them look like an asshole when they miss red.

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_07]: So they're always more usually better than the show or the live action version, but people again, I can understand.

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_07]: There are reason why they call it adaptations because you cannot fully translate a book to screen is very easy that like the watchman there when the watchman came out.

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_07]: That was for the most part besides like one scene for the most part was for graphic novel the screen, but even still they had to use some changes there other books other too I can't own.

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Me for Vendetta starts off a little more soul tree, but the movie version for instance gets right into the nitty and gritty of views going around, slaughtering various.

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_07]: I think I like sometimes they're like, you know, subcloth is some things that you can't translate or certain certain stuff right.

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_07]: You can't always be translated.

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_02]: You know the the red movies.

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_07]: I've actually seen bits of peace and never said that.

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_02]: So long story short the the creator was behind a hundred percent but.

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Much like the comic book wanted which if I'm not mistaken, he or one of the other guys might have also been involved in.

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just way too over the top like is very very like.

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Very radical and over the top so they had to soften a little bit where it's like okay so the guys are killing they're just already crooks and everything and we're trying to make them.

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_02]: With the comedic so they're not just psychopath as he was spent in time with.

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, you know again, you have to get when it comes to film or I've actually film television.

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever you're in control and you know that there's going to be angles where you like some one I feel is going to take this out of context even though that's not what we're trying to say so let's just let's.

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's just push it.

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_07]: You're always going to find somebody to find something out.

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean there are people who will take sad tires so seriously like is like why did it take you season four to know that everyone in succession is not somebody want to be like come on guys attention.

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, they're based off the murder.

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I also see people taking something like Starship Trooper seriously is like it's a sad tire on government.

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Being in depth in a time of futuristic for profit work.

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Come on.

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, they give this but is right there the name is set.

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a hard time.

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_07]: It's not supposed to be taken seriously.

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And don't get me started on Star Trek fans a lot of them used to be pretty progressive but now some of them have clearly been asleep at the wills like guys wasn't about just effects and about.

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Two keepers and.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean you know like.

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_07]: Science fiction is hard to be.

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_02]: There's people who just want to see you all beautiful and it's like well, you're not here for mindless.

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm so glad you brought that that is another perfect transition because there were some guys being like who actually can play to caution he's changing his skin again.

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like yes, that's what he does same thing with Dr. Ho.

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_02]: He changes his appearance.

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_02]: He's a 20 dozen entity he can.

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_07]: And I'm like, I remember like, I'll never get this one.

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_07]: There are some of the rootest roles online that year.

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_07]: It was like you know, like the doctor's a character's all in my chain.

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, Ben Joe.

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_07]: He's not the same.

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_07]: He's.

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_07]: Very big.

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, he quality stuff like that.

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_07]: And I think that's one post this one guy said some of the most.

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_07]: I love Dr. Bob Tyros.

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_07]: He know he's blacks and gave people a space and like.

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_07]: Like do if he was being what actually went in the space, it would just be like it is when heard people with different colors and different creative backgrounds.

[00:32:46] Yeah.

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Everything is we see until a bit of a scene some of the worst people ever like just making the most ignorant remarks and like.

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_07]: This is fiction like why are you this fiction do like, why are you?

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Those are the kind of guys who like to rewrite like characters to suit their own agenda like that like they're the same kind of perks who would like rewrite the publisher to be the guy who's killing people at a protest.

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like fuck you guys. No, the punisher kills people who are bad apples without a badge. He doesn't go on in so gunman killing spree.

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, the punch but the punch is a sociopath.

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't.

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't.

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't want to be like him and he knows he's fucked up.

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_02]: That's why we, but then you see all these violent.

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Relive terrorism and you're like, oh, guys.

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_02]: He knows.

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm sorry, the law he knows what he's doing is not right, but he still shows.

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But then this is these douche bags dressing up as I'm saying, he's cool. I'm like, no, no, you're missing the point he keeps it in check.

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't he's like Jagbauer where he hasn't there's never an off switch, but he at least.

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Instead of drinking his burden or anything, he just he just halts. He says, okay, you know, stand by mode.

[00:34:07] You know.

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_07]: I wouldn't have quite the, yeah, I can see the likeness but Jack.

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_07]: What's the punch or is a soci, is a true blue sociopath?

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't think Jack's a sociopath, but I'm just saying like he, he is a soldier and then he's a fight dirty too.

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, yeah, I'm going back 24. I always go back to using seven when Jack's thought he's about to die from.

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes.

[00:34:35] Yeah.

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_07]: The last conversation you remember, and they have before he goes to the hospital.

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, he tells you're in there that, you know, he didn't do it.

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_07]: He cuts her guys.

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_07]: He cuts.

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_07]: I love that show.

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_07]: He says, you know, he knows what he does is not, you know, by the law is not right.

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_07]: He, he's that quote is, I see a bus.

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_07]: I see a bus with 20 people held, I'm, well, I'm semi quoted.

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_07]: I see a bus for like 20 people held hostage.

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_07]: I know the law by the law, the law has to be more important than I know that in my head.

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_07]: But in my heart, but in my heart, I could never, you know, let, you know, not do nothing to try something.

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_07]: So he goes, why love about Jack Bauer.

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_07]: So people get the misconception about the character sometimes.

[00:35:27] Right.

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_07]: Stay as what he is with the thing is he is done throughout series.

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_02]: He fesses up as opposed to I like to break the rules more people work.

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_07]: He doesn't like the director rules.

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_07]: He's going to be more.

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And every time he has to put Tony Curtis or nay, even himself in line, then that's why he's

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_02]: going to be a president of the relationship because he knows they're just going to be a target in his line of work.

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, I mean, I also like going back like you saw like jump off.

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_07]: We need to do the 24th of some time, but like I promise, probably.

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, you know, may rest in peace in the past few months ago.

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_07]: Yes, also for Dexter and actually, I mean, a lot of the great shows on the 21st century we watch.

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_07]: He's been part of like the reason like Jack always had a term landing, right?

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_07]: Except season two.

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_07]: Like season two, the game of Jack and happy ending.

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, he's already had a near fatal heart attack.

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, yep, let's just let him stay in bed and.

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_07]: Sorry to bother that back with that.

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, every season after that, and everyone as well for Jack no matter what happens.

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_07]: So, I mean, to come, you know, he's, you know, he's away from China.

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_07]: He's got his life back to himself, but he can't be with much of it because she's kind of talking.

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_07]: But you know, like Manicoto said the reason why they always gave him a bad ending are some kind of strategies because.

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_07]: When they did the happy ending for season two, it didn't translate right.

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, you're, you're not alone.

[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, Ryan T. Richardson when he did his on official reunion at the panels.

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_02]: He was fortunate enough to have David Fury on there as well.

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's been with Howard Gordon, Koto on all the other shows like Buffy and lost and everything.

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And he still teases that he might just take out and start writing a movie script one of these days again just because.

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_02]: The problem is the only way it ends is if Jack dies and at the same time they don't want to kill this character they fleshed out and everything.

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So it is one of those is like there's got to be some halfway point, like maybe he fixes death again or something.

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_07]: I can't like and again, we're getting all topic but you know.

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_02]: We're trying to separate, you know, in pop culture like the difference with co-vags.

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_07]: But like with Jack, like I honestly believe in what I like, I think, I mean,

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't want to think, you know, in the Jack stories and Spain, the rest of his life in the fucking Russian Gulag somewhere.

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and they did play the soundtrack called on which is often meeting someone's death.

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, but, you know, going back to the old ad, it's, you know, as you see it on screen never seen their dead.

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, they did the same they would tell you and he was talking to you.

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_07]: And then he did body with them, the mystery.

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_02]: There you go, unless there's a bullet hole in the head or the gun.

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_07]: If I weren't, if I were to direct my words last story, I would just let them go.

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_07]: Because of the day he's one of those, again, he's a character that the fans do not want to see die.

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_07]: And again, you know, we do live in an era where fans do.

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_02]: We got a cool plot for you. He finds out the perms behind January 6th.

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_02]: He knows the man's daughter.

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_02]: That would get too close to the cards, but I just, I can't help it.

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_07]: As many people are still alive, I mean, we see, you know, you know, the story with Jack Bauer, they always represented the issues of those time periods.

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_07]: Even when they did, you know, live another day that was dealing with still your terrorist

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_07]: Mary thing, but also dealing with issues of Russia.

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_02]: We were kind of starting, it was still not starting to become a cluster and basically with all the land.

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_02]: That's when they went a little harder.

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_07]: That was another show I love.

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_07]: Same guys.

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_07]: Obama was still in office, but we were certain to see more and more the beginning of these issues of

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_07]: Russia and the red line.

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_07]: They did build off that stuff with that living other day event series, you know, Jack's last run.

[00:39:49] Right.

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_07]: Let me leave our word to bring my check.

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_07]: I would, I wouldn't kill him.

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_07]: He just, the man suffered so much.

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_07]: You don't need to kill. He suffered so fucking much around his run.

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_07]: Something man going to his daughter is grandkids.

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_07]: His little girl was led to be.

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Have a private security system. He stays.

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like me.

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Watch the sports.

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Learn to be human again.

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_02]: That's like that.

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_02]: That's his battle.

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_02]: How do I become human again?

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have kicked the world.

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_07]: Our flesh shot would be just like in John and John Rambo.

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_02]: The fourth one.

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, where he goes back to his farm.

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_07]: So it's home.

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_02]: The first stack is now the whole heritage.

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And then he just called her back on.

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_07]: It's still like that.

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, he's this there.

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_07]: Everything's done like that.

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_07]: Clock's about to take down to, you know,

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_02]: There you go.

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And see.

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_02]: It was like about all these characters because

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_02]: This is why it's hard to write for them.

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like how do I show that Superman has something to lose?

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_07]: What makes those little superheroes so much.

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_07]: They're not their powers for the most part is the human side.

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's hard to portray him as human when they got in human.

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_07]: You know,

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I mean, I want me out of both Marvel and DC,

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_07]: But Marvel wouldn't get.

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm not picking aside that they all got real good stuff.

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Batman is hard to write too.

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_02]: How do I show that this narcissist is also good at fighting crime and

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yet wants to live the vigilante nightlife?

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_07]: It's a perfect he used to carry.

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_07]: They like, you know, he has his principles.

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_07]: But you know, it's his, you know, he fights the.

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_02]: He's a superman don't think anything alike, but they all want.

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_02]: They both want the same thing, which is getting rid of the bad apples before

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Trouble bruise.

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I know what is Batman like, killed good, you know, he is the child.

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_07]: He witnessed his parents gun down.

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_07]: You were to kill the joke and kill all of these people yet.

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And they would go against every principle and so I'm going to.

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm going to be better for Gotham if these people wouldn't be better.

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_07]: And then I've even come on monster in the process.

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_07]: Like, you know, because it's like, you know, because something worse than

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_07]: Which you just put down.

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, dolly.

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, and.

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_07]: That's human minds are very.

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_07]: I believe in this.

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_07]: It's not just like that even if the best people, but, you know,

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_07]: But, you know, my daughter carbon, you know, it's.

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like co-rex is just constantly changing constantly.

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to legenses.

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know what to say.

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_07]: So they did do a good job particularly in the first season of showing his personality

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_07]: From the book to the.

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_02]: When every people say Joel can't even can act, I say, look at this and the killer.

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_06]: It's a good job like he like.

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I think they're just mad because he's in the real world.

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, come on guys.

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm, I think he's mad.

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_07]: He was in a real world.

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I think he was even mad about that.

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, good.

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_07]: It has like.

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm really mad if I something what they are, is this like well.

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, the both the math.

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_07]: The husband of wife gave the rest of you know, it's like he's like,

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_07]: We've destroyed each other.

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, because you, you fucking.

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_07]: Like they've had things from each other.

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_07]: It like it's some of the stupidest things are just.

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_07]: That lets it is all fucking issue.

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_07]: Like, you know, yeah, you did fucking kill yourself.

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Stupid stupid games are playing and.

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_07]: I think that's like.

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_07]: At the end of the day, the whole situation or the first book in the first season

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_07]: Because the man goes what man can keep a thickness.

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_07]: That's right.

[00:43:29] Right.

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_07]: How old is we just started?

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_07]: Can I keep his dick in his back?

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_02]: He can't even admit that what he did and everything is like,

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And that was good customer changed.

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you go from playing smart Anthony on Rome.

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_07]: Is ironic that we're just that show we're talking about now is also start,

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_07]: You know,

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, on the following year.

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_02]: He brings us together.

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_07]: But yeah, like, but he was, I mean,

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_07]: But yeah, like so and again.

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad to know he's a nice guy because he's always playing these psychotic guys

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_02]: where you're like, dude, what the hell?

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_02]: What is wrong with deal? Why would you play that game?

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_07]: Really good actor.

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, like Rome, like Rome was really,

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_07]: Was it, we got, was his breakout show?

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, is still the best epic and same deal.

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Got, got killed by HBO because two expensive like for real.

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, the, the, the, the,

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_07]: Like you know, peer to a piece of our typically the music.

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I get it.

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_02]: They're, they're not on just a set.

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_02]: They're in actual deserts.

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_07]: The most expensive shows out there.

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_02]: The building, stunts make up.

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, I mean, like now they're using the visual effects or more expensive

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_07]: The right little effects.

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the other irony, too.

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, I would hate to be a line producer and today's world where I'm just like,

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you can do that, but still looks like this versus that.

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, I got it.

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's, uh,

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_02]: You got to film all these free main scenes.

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you can't have just a second or third unit.

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_02]: You need six units.

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_07]: But like, um, but like I said, why I was going to say, like, why do I think the show.

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_07]: Like with canceled again, I think it was canceled because one.

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_07]: They took too much artistic license with the story, particularly in season two.

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I, I think you're right because we were hinting at earlier on adapting versus everything

[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_02]: and nothing against the show runner.

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I think she did her part, but I think at the same time, like she was protective about what she wanted versus what she came more gay.

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_07]: As a show runner, as the head writer, she get every right to do that.

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_02]: But we're not as real nice anymore, but we are getting blunt on why stuff works and doesn't matter.

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_07]: As we've seen throughout the history of the cinema, you know, things that are usually adapted from either a book or a book.

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, graphic novel or whatever outside source material besides a film.

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_07]: They typically do better when they are closer to the source material.

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_07]: Bingo.

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's why the expanse was a big hit.

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Like the writer was working I die the show runner near in Shinkar.

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_07]: The book, the expanse.

[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_07]: I've also had another book series over it.

[00:46:25] [SPEAKER_07]: I've never read the last book yet.

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I've really liked comics, but I can't wait to get into the books.

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_07]: But I don't know the books.

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_07]: I have not.

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_07]: I've had the last book for a while.

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_07]: I have yet to read it because honestly, I'm actually going to be sad when I finish the book series because I'm more curious about myself and suspense.

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_07]: Because I mean, the show was like my friend Shanny passed away.

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_07]: He's actually the one who put me on the expanse.

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_07]: He's like, he's like, you watch the expanse.

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_07]: My name is a wizard.

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, let by show.

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm taking them like a lot of people didn't get into it right away because it was a slow burn.

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I looked out because I was watching it on demand on sci-fi.

[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So it had an interview with the writers after the fact and something that made me go,

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that makes better sense now that you put that perspective.

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_07]: I was got to make like a what's his name.

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_07]: Thomas Jane.

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_07]: Thomas Jane is one of my favorite actors.

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Right actor love a like when I started to try to style and you're like, why do you play?

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_07]: I was just a jump birth on Tom James and my favorite punch.

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I have the extended go to the right.

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I know that good boy.

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_07]: When I was, why, finally started to watch it.

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_07]: And like so they he was on it that made me want to watch it more.

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_07]: But like when I watched, it was like this is really good show.

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_07]: And then I got into the book.

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, the show ended when the show ended they still had two more books left.

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_07]: They did.

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I did hear about that.

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_02]: They, they, they changed the outcome of the one Billy guy.

[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Relax because in a life back.

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_02]: The actor was a terrible person but and the fans didn't know that until after the fact,

[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_02]: but they were okay. They're like, okay.

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_07]: What the thing is, this is what happened with that.

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_07]: Like the season was already done.

[00:48:21] [SPEAKER_07]: And then the, from the girls from the conventions were starting to sit out reports and they were contacting actors and tell them,

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the actor literally hung himself like he basically started attacking them when they were in a chat.

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_07]: He's in like whole cast.

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, they didn't investigation and they found out everything they said that people were saying was true.

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_07]: And, you know, even the whole cast everybody was like,

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And hope that he often wasn't in any scenes with everybody.

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_02]: But they're like, yep, goodbye.

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_07]: The thing is no, what they actually went back.

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_07]: So they finished the season right with him a lot like in the books, right?

[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_07]: Okay. So then they did restutes.

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_07]: They went back and they took one scene and they just,

[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_07]: Where he, um, they, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't.

[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_07]: I was like, well, we basically had the brain bleed right when he went to jeet.

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_07]: So they went back and they freeze for him one scene and they went back with visual effects and added the blood and stuff in there.

[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_07]: Gotcha.

[00:49:32] [SPEAKER_07]: But there is to me and there's footage out there where, you know, they did the whole season where he was supposed to live.

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_07]: And look, I, I was hoping they were going to recast him as Alex is such an important character in the book.

[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I know is the fun fans were okay with it because I am we're okay because what he did.

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_02]: But like with the character, I thought one of them said he dies eventually.

[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just different.

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_07]: No, Alex, I even though I had a last book yet, Alex survives.

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_07]: It's okay.

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I just only been reading what fans have been saying and it's like they didn't seem to bother by it.

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_02]: He has side of them.

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_07]: Alex doesn't die.

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_07]: So what's his name dies, but gets brought back to life.

[00:50:17] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, Amy's.

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_07]: Amy's yeah, he gets brought back to life.

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I do see the way was this an altered car room where the same verse, but that's just me.

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_07]: It mean it would be cool, but it's, but the technology is two different.

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Especially with the whole outer space scenario versus,

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_02]: but I think that I think people were open to it because they're like, hey, no,

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_02]: the grass Tyson approves of the science.

[00:50:45] [SPEAKER_07]: They can't get a good job of using real world,

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_07]: or a gravely if you grow up in space, your body, like in the books,

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_07]: they actually go in more detail how belters and what belters they have longer.

[00:51:00] [SPEAKER_07]: They're taller than earth.

[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, these space pirates, all the different slurs and.

[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, they've got.

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, well, yeah, that's what like belters, you know, it's just like on earth.

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_07]: You have people different, you know, parts of the country, different parts of the world,

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_07]: different, different cultures, you know,

[00:51:18] [SPEAKER_07]: belters and one thing I love about.

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_07]: About that book, Securities is like the language the belters use is based off of a form of

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_07]: material.

[00:51:30] Hmm.

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_07]: Actually, you get actually a research and like build upon.

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_07]: But like they did a really good job again.

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_07]: You can't do it if you were to do an aut television,

[00:51:43] [SPEAKER_07]: you have to use visual effects every scene.

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Beyond what we got.

[00:51:48] [SPEAKER_07]: And that's way way too expensive for a television show in the film.

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_07]: We could do it.

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, the television show like nine, ten episodes per season.

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_07]: Like, belters.

[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_07]: How they're described in the book, you know, they're taller than earth value.

[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_07]: And this because they didn't grow up in a gravity well.

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_07]: Um, our Amber Dester's, they can, you know,

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_07]: but also they have weaker.

[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_07]: Because humans were not supposed to be in space.

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, we can travel in space now.

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_07]: And that's what's being there.

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_07]: There's too much space for.

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_07]: In a space for prolonged time.

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to play this.

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_07]: You're going to be a great body.

[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_07]: But like they have weaker bone marrow.

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_07]: Like if you, like if you were, if you were, you are not a born space.

[00:52:30] [SPEAKER_07]: Just like they showed in the books trying to.

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_07]: Um, like.

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, what's we're looking for?

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just convey how if you're raised there.

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you're developing your body functions all that.

[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_07]: You're hoping to.

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_07]: Earth gravity.

[00:52:50] [SPEAKER_07]: You can kill you.

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I believe it, there's all kinds of other infections and I mean,

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_02]: all the pressure probably.

[00:52:59] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that's one thing too like, you know,

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_07]: just, you know, having, you know, antibodies for, you know,

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_07]: disease is something that we typically have, you know,

[00:53:08] [SPEAKER_07]: just to do it.

[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_02]: All the different foods aren't going to have near the same ingredients or protein that we actually need to.

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_07]: But the main thing is gravity, though, like, you know, if your.

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_07]: If your.

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_07]: Is coming, your body will be naturally longer or more.

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_07]: Lanky.

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_07]: Um, your skull actually be a little bit bigger too.

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_07]: And that's how they're built through the described in the book.

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_07]: And uh, coming because you use a real world real space.

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_07]: Physics and gravity.

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_07]: And coming down in the gravity well, like in the show and, in the expanse,

[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_07]: they show what the much name came to earth and.

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_07]: And her first time in the gravity well, you know,

[00:53:48] [SPEAKER_07]: but it's show she could stay over too long.

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Is it?

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:53:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Nio me.

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_07]: I think that's a real.

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Fun fact.

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_02]: She didn't always change just an action movie together.

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_07]: But um, she's also, I've been digging her in the gut.

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_07]: It's a little movie.

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_07]: But um, but yeah, right.

[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_07]: That is her.

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_07]: That's the real world real.

[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_07]: Physic thing like, you know,

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_07]: they could go and be able to survive when the most people will

[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_07]: melt those survivors because they, bodies aren't being grow up in

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_07]: the gravity well.

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, but then then again,

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_07]: Alta Carvin, of course, they, he got around that, you know,

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_07]: that in time dilation by what the stacks and everything, you know,

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_07]: you just leave into a body that's already grown on the times or

[00:54:33] [SPEAKER_07]: use to that gravity or has been genized to be used to that gravity or that planet.

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_07]: Um, yeah.

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_07]: But you're like, going back to why I think it fell.

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_07]: I think one of, I think it fell because one too much.

[00:54:46] [SPEAKER_07]: Too much of a artistic license that to lose on the source material.

[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_07]: I do think the love story between him and Quello was a little bit overboard.

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_07]: I think.

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_07]: Again, in hindsight, I think making the envoy's terrorist instead of

[00:55:05] [SPEAKER_07]: making an eye on the stand while they did it for the show,

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_07]: I just think that if they would have made it like it wasn't books.

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_07]: It being part of a their special forces.

[00:55:15] [SPEAKER_07]: I think you got a lot more store.

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_07]: I think if they were to win, like book one book two to book three

[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_07]: to like some type of adaptation or linear fashion,

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_07]: you would have got more.

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I got another reason for you.

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Was that different showrunner?

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_07]: I didn't realize the change.

[00:55:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't know.

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Apparently so Alison Schapker was the co-showrunner and then

[00:55:38] [SPEAKER_02]: later up season one part of ways.

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Schapker took over two both their credits, you know, both have a big resume.

[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Allison, she's written various episodes of all the different Abrams,

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_02]: produce shows like friend, Joe most human as well as the flash,

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_02]: and Westworld and scandal.

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And is now writing a bunch of episodes of HBO's

[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_02]: showrunners, and I'm guessing this lately with undershows like

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Chris Maloney for instance has been firing a lot of showrunners.

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_02]: If they're just not understanding stuff after while on organized crime,

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_02]: the long order process, the same kind of deal.

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Like if the head writer is understanding a riddating after while

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_02]: people do make notes and change course.

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_07]: But I understand with that because he's played the character like

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_07]: literally now.

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_02]: He's also taken as cast made sword seriously, like give him something to do.

[00:56:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't just have them be hacking or arresting someone.

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_02]: They're just going to leave after the season.

[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, plus like we have an actor who's played a role for

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_07]: literally over a decade.

[00:56:43] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, play the character now for like 18 years now.

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I think.

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_02]: You know?

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_07]: Like he knows the character.

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_07]: He knows the movie.

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And all the other stuff we've summed up, you know, like I applied any creator who knows

[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_02]: wind of finally in their stuff like Vince Gilligan, Jay Michaels, Frisinski and

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_02]: even Sean Ryan will wrap up every season just in case the network say,

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_02]: you know what?

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Bye bye.

[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_02]: You're canceled.

[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_02]: They don't wait for the notes.

[00:57:13] [SPEAKER_02]: They just they prep for impact.

[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Even though they have a five year run in their hand.

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I've bought anyone because you no one wants that phone call.

[00:57:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And when these guys were doing it back with, you know, pay phones.

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_02]: There, you know, you can just look up anything online.

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_07]: It'll be awesome on how they would the structure show is now.

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, like that was back there.

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_07]: Like most shows are 20, 22 episodes.

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, tell me.

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Post.

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, seven.

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_02]: They started taking notes and interacting with fans on Twitter and some shows.

[00:57:44] [SPEAKER_02]: The Terminator show actually took notes.

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_02]: They started saying, oh, we got a new character.

[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Just introduced people don't like the soapy.

[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So we just added so we better.

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's reverse course the next episode.

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_07]: Awesome to say it's over.

[00:57:56] [SPEAKER_07]: Again, like we live in a I have issue with that to we live in there now.

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_02]: We're fan over reactionary.

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like why not you.

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't see co writer on your jack title.

[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_02]: They love a show and at the time they just want drama just for the hell of it.

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_02]: You're like, well, aren't you the guys that claim this is too formulaic if we don't do anything new each season.

[00:58:18] [SPEAKER_07]: Fuck.

[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I miss you.

[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, it's like their their territorial and it's like this is not your house.

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't live in it, you know, breathe in it. Come on.

[00:58:28] All right.

[00:58:28] [SPEAKER_07]: I want you to because I love this.

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I refuse.

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that we can go on all day about franchise.

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you see the altered carbon anime that came out called a resleep?

[00:58:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was really good.

[00:58:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was kind of on the fence on it for us.

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm kind of like with I gin.

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of a free out of five for me.

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_02]: It was like I would have liked a little more detail but the animation was stunning.

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_07]: And I mean, they came out for season two.

[00:59:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was kind of a teaser and yeah, I.

[00:59:02] [SPEAKER_07]: They had in the council for show that we probably got more.

[00:59:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we're totally what I'm and.

[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Which one of the which I wanted to mine had it.

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_02]: They done what Star Trek's doing now where they had like free shows going on all at the same time.

[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_02]: If you want to get into the anime version of this tale, watch that line versus the live action one.

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, just some bird buddy.

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_07]: And they're stopping at them and side strange new worlds.

[00:59:27] [SPEAKER_07]: Lower decks get in the smallest.

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_07]: They change their mind.

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_07]: What now?

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_07]: They are probably the project.

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_07]: I said do it for you.

[00:59:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, discovery.

[00:59:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I actually dug out it and it but we've seen somebody give her a plane.

[00:59:40] I.

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_07]: These people don't like change.

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_07]: They're adding new stuff.

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_02]: But even the Ron Barrow is all about change and yet we got to rewrite what he said and reencirctured.

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I really.

[00:59:53] [SPEAKER_07]: It's it's title everything up a season.

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It was something new to on plus when do you see the doctor become a captain that was fun was a fun twist.

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I mean, like it was.

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a strong.

[01:00:07] [SPEAKER_07]: It's a pretty good job with that.

[01:00:09] [SPEAKER_07]: I think that's a pretty good.

[01:00:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we've always wanted to know why were they basically the equivalent of future CIA doing shady shit that was above anyone's pay grade.

[01:00:35] You know.

[01:00:36] [SPEAKER_07]: The last of the as nine.

[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_07]: So every show's right.

[01:00:39] Yeah.

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And another show that people ignored at the time because it was the in between her and I think that's the other thing too is just like when you're watching reruns.

[01:00:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm, I'm just you've been something you're not going to get the full just like I was kind of that way with Voyager of just like well I like this cast I don't always like their stories and so it's like oh there's some good ones.

[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_07]: Back in the day you know those were 20 C.

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_02]: The other record.

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_02]: You both.

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_07]: I remember those day, typically like you have me like you know 20 episode 22 24 plus.

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah episodes like six seven seasons.

[01:01:16] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, perish.

[01:01:16] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean every show next year is nine.

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And same kind of deal people were like, oh it's different now it's two different.

[01:01:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh we like it now that it's different but it took us two seasons.

[01:01:28] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, oh good Lord.

[01:01:30] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean that's a little again, the whole other causes and it's all my means.

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_07]: I like you know start track and star wars are for every link about star track there is no star wars, well star wars there is no return of star track.

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_07]: Thank you.

[01:01:45] [SPEAKER_07]: Big differences.

[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_07]: And my opinion as much as I love star track and I love you know what Jean right very created.

[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_07]: Jean right very gotten his own way too many times.

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh he did hi there's a great book about that called the 50 year journey.

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know.

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Great book and little people know it.

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I've got the midge.

[01:02:11] [SPEAKER_02]: He started becoming everything he had tried to not be in your like Jesus.

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_02]: You got this all way on the lawyer got the bright idea.

[01:02:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I should be a writer.

[01:02:21] [SPEAKER_02]: We shouldn't.

[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[01:02:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I want everybody to be scantily clad and sexy like good God.

[01:02:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_07]: As much as he was as great as Star Trek is he got in his way and my opinion on to many times.

[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_07]: That's the reason why they eventually took control away from him.

[01:02:43] [SPEAKER_07]: If George Lucas on the other hand.

[01:02:47] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, people give shit on George because I really wrote his stories but at the same time.

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he's more like Jay Michaels for Zinski where or the Wachowski's people didn't like where he went with it but that's where he always wanted to go with it.

[01:03:03] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, anything given his way he he getting in his way.

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_02]: He just needed more editors and directors like if I was Ron Howard and I got that call for the breakals I want to shut the fuck up and said sure thing George I love working with you on Willah.

[01:03:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, yeah, but he knows like.

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_07]: I understand two minutes.

[01:03:22] [SPEAKER_07]: Stor worked to lead us to 1990 said if I was his friends.

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Phoborg I would have done what I'd done within the end of Joseph would be like okay it's your story but I'll make it better.

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll make changes all because he's like.

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Like that that's why deus nine was so good.

[01:03:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I was Stephen Barwood actually creatively instead of arguing like the other show runners he would say well you want this to be more than wagon train space.

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_02]: So how would I do this in that and because he was bright.

[01:03:49] [SPEAKER_02]: He wanted my argument.

[01:03:51] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm a correctly reason why I still were doing it with because he was in the process of working out Lincoln are getting ready to work out Lincoln.

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it was a powerhouse all throughout the 2000 you know you're producing.

[01:04:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Mega shows for TNT and HBO every year and then doing two movies a year. Yes, so he was.

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_07]: I think but I think specifically really the reason why he didn't do because like he was.

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Lincoln was his next major project. He put a lot of it right then he had to do some other side stuff like muting and then finally he's like now I can do it.

[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_07]: On how I mean, I understand to be in the timidated by that focus of Stor was particularly it's like 1999 seven you know when he he also just likes to I think that's why he's last is so long he.

[01:04:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Instead of going where the bank accounts going he's all about.

[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_02]: What different thing can he do each year be patient with everybody make everybody happy.

[01:04:48] [SPEAKER_07]: I was just like yellow or cinnamon or what you know two things like he always wanted to show something different every phone.

[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_07]: And he at the end of the day, you didn't want to be pigeonholed and be accused of repeating.

[01:05:01] [SPEAKER_07]: What you know, no creative mind wants to be pigeonholed we never do.

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, but also the same thing.

[01:05:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's what I did up Lucas he kept him picked on nonstop by even his friends.

[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like.

[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, it's well, it's even today is to have a fan of street and I was like, you know, like he got criticized for writing his story the way.

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And then they would rewrite history they're like, oh, we only hated you after George R. is like you guys were complaining when he introduced the Ewoks and dialogue.

[01:05:29] [SPEAKER_02]: What are you talking about?

[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, like, you know, then the George is always said in a matter of what he's even though every their university level ages these films are made for kids.

[01:05:43] [SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_02]: You're still.

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like the kids grew up but not really and so then they just started picking on other kids.

[01:05:52] [SPEAKER_07]: And I'm like, well, if you don't want to always say, if you know, like it. Yeah, you can nothing is be above criticism.

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_02]: If you have to make a death read just to make your point then you're just the worst person ever. It's like my god.

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_07]: It's at the end of the day is.

[01:06:06] [SPEAKER_07]: That's a fan does not matter.

[01:06:08] [SPEAKER_07]: The action is entertainment.

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_07]: It's me.

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a statement.

[01:06:11] [SPEAKER_07]: I think it's above criticism but at the same time, you don't have the right to tell a writer how to write his own story.

[01:06:17] [SPEAKER_07]: Maybe you don't like it.

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm a child.

[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I got out of his George Lucas life book, especially when he just messed up is like, I don't tell camera guys and actors what to do.

[01:06:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I just stay in my lane and like, I think that's just it.

[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I think.

[01:06:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And in fact, I also love that book because it also puts the rest a lot of stupid fan theories that were just false where they're like, oh, he came up with the Clone Wars of the spot.

[01:06:41] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like he had that idea back in 77.

[01:06:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he's a fan.

[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_07]: How do you thought the Clone Wars was the spot?

[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_02]: He even says it in the movie, but everyone is just like, no, no, I hated so much.

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I will rewrite history like, oh, Lord, is this a political debate all of a sudden?

[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm not.

[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I don't know anything.

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_07]: They can be political.

[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_02]: They're right, making a coherent essay be damned.

[01:07:04] [SPEAKER_07]: I think I even make a political debate about fucking macaroni and cheese.

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

[01:07:09] [SPEAKER_02]: That goes back to my favorite meme where there's a rock and it starts off with saying this is not a rock.

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_02]: This is the big fun way to just open the doors.

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Without fail, I will have some people who want to make a mock argument that other people want to legit argue about that.

[01:07:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, oh, my word.

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_02]: The whole point of the joke is this doesn't matter.

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, it can be anything.

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_07]: But you might just like, you know, I'll think about it.

[01:07:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Richard Kaye, it seemed like he was nice.

[01:07:41] [SPEAKER_02]: The filmmakers were nice.

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't hear anything about actors.

[01:07:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Miss behaving.

[01:07:45] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, like, it was a great acting on both seasons to show us.

[01:07:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you're not really as so underrated and it's just a shame that like first he's on some TV shows and then, you know,

[01:07:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Electra and then finally post Wolverine everyone's like, hey, we like him.

[01:08:01] [SPEAKER_02]: He's very funny guy.

[01:08:02] [SPEAKER_02]: You can do martial arts.

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_02]: You can do seriousness.

[01:08:05] [SPEAKER_02]: So we want to see him back on the TV show again.

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_07]: He's yeah, I mean, he's I mean, he just need that one role.

[01:08:12] [SPEAKER_02]: It's very philosophical when you see what interviews it's like down.

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I mean, he did a damn good help in the role.

[01:08:19] [SPEAKER_07]: But like, again, my only issues, I think, again,

[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_07]: if they would have went more with books and shone.

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_07]: Because, you know, season two,

[01:08:26] [SPEAKER_07]: they really still stuck with the old earth aesthetic.

[01:08:29] [SPEAKER_02]: They were kind of afraid to kind of divert.

[01:08:32] [SPEAKER_07]: Exactly. And I think you think would have done it.

[01:08:35] [SPEAKER_02]: It's fine.

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure when I rewatched it even more,

[01:08:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll find something that I would have done differently.

[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure there might even be an episode in season one,

[01:08:42] [SPEAKER_02]: which kind of blends in the suit and free kind of go together for me.

[01:08:45] [SPEAKER_02]: That's like my only piece.

[01:08:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, like going back to my sale of that,

[01:08:49] [SPEAKER_07]: don't even mind it not being cancel because we look at the story.

[01:08:55] [SPEAKER_07]: There really wasn't much story left.

[01:08:58] [SPEAKER_07]: If you're going by the source material.

[01:08:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I think there's a bunch of Rogers way where I'm like,

[01:09:01] [SPEAKER_02]: at least they gave us two years.

[01:09:04] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I mean, they could have lived back.

[01:09:05] [SPEAKER_07]: Rappers and ship and season three or whatever.

[01:09:09] [SPEAKER_07]: Honestly, I think they would probably win more of like a original take on it.

[01:09:14] [SPEAKER_07]: No, no.

[01:09:15] [SPEAKER_07]: But as think there's no more story that until really have to watch and see them two again,

[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, we know Poe was rebuilding his DF DHF.

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_07]: So we know that primed to Kashi loves.

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_07]: So you know, but yeah, after watching him,

[01:09:34] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm mind it being cancelled.

[01:09:36] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't really see.

[01:09:38] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, there's always a way to add more story.

[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, you can always add them on to a story.

[01:09:43] [SPEAKER_07]: But what's best for the story?

[01:09:47] [SPEAKER_07]: So again, I don't mind it being cancelled now.

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_07]: I was originally pissed off when the reason was cancelled.

[01:09:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I only saw it like two years afterwards.

[01:09:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And was like, hey, maybe season three or even one of these days,

[01:09:58] [SPEAKER_02]: if not that was fun.

[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_07]: I really have the direction they want even out of disagree with the direction they want.

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_07]: But I really feel like title story,

[01:10:08] [SPEAKER_07]: pretty even like it's this not really.

[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_02]: What did you think of?

[01:10:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I was a press caught.

[01:10:13] [SPEAKER_02]: They're just in general, but the character who came out of Taylor from Bowens Place.

[01:10:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Season one or season two.

[01:10:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Season one.

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, they did it.

[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like there was a lot of tension there that they could have built the little gap.

[01:10:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And the changes they did do.

[01:10:31] [SPEAKER_02]: They're sure by the rich family, but she's like, I actually kind of like you.

[01:10:37] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, you see in the end, you know, all the work she had done.

[01:10:41] [SPEAKER_07]: They just, you know, yeah, he, it was alive,

[01:10:45] [SPEAKER_07]: but they said it is the real way she was trash.

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[01:10:49] [SPEAKER_07]: And they're, I'll see, this shit they've done.

[01:10:51] [SPEAKER_07]: They thought we were like she was trash.

[01:10:53] [SPEAKER_07]: And you know, that's again, they had a good job with showing.

[01:10:58] [SPEAKER_07]: Again, the dramatic side of these characters that you were doing for the club.

[01:11:02] [SPEAKER_07]: Shit, but in the end.

[01:11:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was three slaves also.

[01:11:05] [SPEAKER_02]: That was kind of interesting.

[01:11:07] [SPEAKER_07]: I heard the police captain, you know,

[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_07]: like at the end of their, like, you know,

[01:11:11] [SPEAKER_07]: a few people, you can tell you, you know,

[01:11:14] [SPEAKER_07]: treated like trash.

[01:11:15] [SPEAKER_07]: That was good.

[01:11:16] [SPEAKER_07]: I kind of understand why they did that change for the show,

[01:11:19] [SPEAKER_07]: because you want to show, you know,

[01:11:22] [SPEAKER_02]: you got to understand what the guy is crappy when he can't trust the,

[01:11:26] [SPEAKER_07]: you know, you, human being is going to see good.

[01:11:33] [SPEAKER_07]: And in the show, they're going to get job of doing that.

[01:11:36] [SPEAKER_07]: I guess, again, for me, it's just the love story with Quello,

[01:11:40] [SPEAKER_07]: because she, I think that was too much.

[01:11:42] [SPEAKER_07]: I would rather than go more.

[01:11:50] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, no, I understand why they did that and it worked out for the show,

[01:11:55] [SPEAKER_07]: at least for the first season.

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_07]: Season two.

[01:11:58] [SPEAKER_07]: Because again, I think you made it to Quello,

[01:12:01] [SPEAKER_07]: so obsessed with, well,

[01:12:05] [SPEAKER_07]: I think that kind of stunted some of his personal growth.

[01:12:10] [SPEAKER_07]: Here to grow that we saw in the book that didn't link

[01:12:15] [SPEAKER_07]: translations of the show, because they made it

[01:12:17] [SPEAKER_07]: in a more single mind.

[01:12:20] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[01:12:20] [SPEAKER_07]: But again, I think in the end,

[01:12:23] [SPEAKER_07]: story tied up like you did,

[01:12:25] [SPEAKER_07]: there wasn't really much more left to tell,

[01:12:28] [SPEAKER_07]: so they too seem to finish show was good.

[01:12:31] [SPEAKER_02]: It did spend a world too much time with Mary,

[01:12:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I've been crowding like, okay,

[01:12:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I did it.

[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_02]: She's so true.

[01:12:37] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, at the same time that all that stuff they showed

[01:12:41] [SPEAKER_07]: was straight from the book, though.

[01:12:42] [SPEAKER_07]: Those were the things straight.

[01:12:46] [SPEAKER_09]: I did it.

[01:12:50] [SPEAKER_07]: But again, like the act, the good acting thing,

[01:12:55] [SPEAKER_07]: and yeah, some of them are clearly forgiven.

[01:12:57] [SPEAKER_07]: They worked with made the blues,

[01:13:00] [SPEAKER_07]: extra dramatic,

[01:13:03] [SPEAKER_07]: you know,

[01:13:04] [SPEAKER_07]: the top point of the show,

[01:13:07] [SPEAKER_07]: mainly in the first season,

[01:13:08] [SPEAKER_07]: less to the second season.

[01:13:10] [SPEAKER_07]: But again, reason why I worked less in the second season,

[01:13:13] [SPEAKER_07]: because you, again, you take the elements of two books

[01:13:16] [SPEAKER_07]: and crown them into one eight episode season.

[01:13:21] [SPEAKER_02]: That's, especially when we're trying to show

[01:13:22] [SPEAKER_02]: or take us family in hell.

[01:13:26] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and also, I think they,

[01:13:29] [SPEAKER_07]: they tried to latch on to season one stuff a little bit,

[01:13:36] [SPEAKER_07]: too much of it's two like showing that.

[01:13:39] [SPEAKER_07]: Trying to show the fans that connection with

[01:13:41] [SPEAKER_07]: 21 and two because he's had different sleeve.

[01:13:44] [SPEAKER_07]: Which I think,

[01:13:46] [SPEAKER_07]: that grapized time telling the character story.

[01:13:51] [SPEAKER_07]: And Mary, in the book,

[01:13:53] [SPEAKER_07]: too, the only memory, the only time he thinks about

[01:13:57] [SPEAKER_07]: the first book is he thinks about

[01:13:58] [SPEAKER_07]: taking a few minutes thinking about what

[01:14:01] [SPEAKER_07]: she's doing now,

[01:14:02] [SPEAKER_07]: but it's like 30 years later.

[01:14:04] [SPEAKER_07]: But then he walks,

[01:14:05] [SPEAKER_07]: I can't think about this shit.

[01:14:08] [SPEAKER_07]: All the different situations I got focused

[01:14:10] [SPEAKER_07]: about getting out of the wonder.

[01:14:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Got to get eyes on the prize.

[01:14:14] [SPEAKER_02]: There was some fun,

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_02]: other,

[01:14:17] [SPEAKER_02]: what I like to call the actors of Cyberpunk.

[01:14:20] [SPEAKER_02]: It can't just be Arnold and Keanu Reeves.

[01:14:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to know,

[01:14:23] [SPEAKER_02]: because the character was played by Max Hadroom himself,

[01:14:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Matt Frueuer.

[01:14:30] [SPEAKER_02]: The movie was played by Tom and Pinnocket,

[01:14:34] [SPEAKER_02]: who you'll know as boomers.

[01:14:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Athena's husband on Bell Star Galactica.

[01:14:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And Brian Man from the Expans was the mercenary flashback version of

[01:14:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Demetri and Covax.

[01:14:51] [SPEAKER_02]: But casting for the captain,

[01:14:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Hero Kanagawa is captain Kanaka.

[01:14:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought he was interesting in that.

[01:14:59] [SPEAKER_02]: He's just like,

[01:15:00] [SPEAKER_02]: tell him to let him or take a costume.

[01:15:02] [SPEAKER_02]: He's like,

[01:15:03] [SPEAKER_02]: be careful.

[01:15:04] [SPEAKER_02]: This dude is trouble.

[01:15:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And everyone coming to the station is like,

[01:15:10] [SPEAKER_02]: what the hell are you doing here?

[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_07]: Now he's again,

[01:15:14] [SPEAKER_07]: I've never seen him definitely.

[01:15:17] [SPEAKER_07]: Great,

[01:15:17] [SPEAKER_07]: even with the changes.

[01:15:20] [SPEAKER_07]: Great adaptation of season two to much.

[01:15:23] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean,

[01:15:23] [SPEAKER_07]: I can't have every watch in season two.

[01:15:25] [SPEAKER_07]: I still enjoyed it more than I thought I would ever see.

[01:15:28] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just a separate thing.

[01:15:30] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like,

[01:15:30] [SPEAKER_02]: so different.

[01:15:32] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah,

[01:15:32] [SPEAKER_07]: just too much shit thrown together.

[01:15:35] [SPEAKER_07]: You got a little bit too comfortable.

[01:15:37] [SPEAKER_02]: When the introduce new McDonald's character,

[01:15:38] [SPEAKER_02]: that was kind of a lot of much too,

[01:15:40] [SPEAKER_02]: because first he's exposed to him and then you're like,

[01:15:42] [SPEAKER_02]: what's going on?

[01:15:43] [SPEAKER_02]: He's coming back for this and that.

[01:15:45] [SPEAKER_07]: What was the point of introducing his character?

[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_07]: You only had like one scene with him.

[01:15:50] [SPEAKER_07]: I,

[01:15:51] [SPEAKER_02]: they must have just seen him on all his famous movies and shows him

[01:15:53] [SPEAKER_02]: been like,

[01:15:54] [SPEAKER_02]: who's an actor who can be intense and introduce all this shit?

[01:15:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[01:16:01] [SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of the problem.

[01:16:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Like season one is more mysterious.

[01:16:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Well,

[01:16:05] [SPEAKER_02]: season two you can nitpick and say,

[01:16:07] [SPEAKER_02]: okay,

[01:16:07] [SPEAKER_02]: they forced me some stuff.

[01:16:09] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I mean,

[01:16:10] [SPEAKER_07]: I had in the whole Martian shit with,

[01:16:12] [SPEAKER_07]: you know,

[01:16:13] [SPEAKER_07]: taking over consciousness as season two.

[01:16:16] [SPEAKER_07]: There's no point of showing current,

[01:16:18] [SPEAKER_07]: hardly there's no point at all showing that character.

[01:16:23] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean,

[01:16:24] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah,

[01:16:24] [SPEAKER_07]: he's a great actor,

[01:16:25] [SPEAKER_07]: but I mean,

[01:16:26] [SPEAKER_07]: if I was in like kind of probably we've been pissed off because like,

[01:16:30] [SPEAKER_07]: they ain't really given much to do.

[01:16:32] [SPEAKER_07]: He killed a bunch of Martians,

[01:16:34] [SPEAKER_07]: saw them fishing for technology.

[01:16:36] [SPEAKER_07]: That was it.

[01:16:38] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[01:16:38] [SPEAKER_07]: That was literally it.

[01:16:40] [SPEAKER_07]: Like, I was kind of a witsuit actor.

[01:16:42] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean,

[01:16:45] [SPEAKER_07]: but yeah,

[01:16:46] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean,

[01:16:46] [SPEAKER_07]: overall I enjoyed the series where it was.

[01:16:50] [SPEAKER_07]: When your audience listen,

[01:16:53] [SPEAKER_07]: if you're their book readers,

[01:16:54] [SPEAKER_07]: I know that.

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_07]: Check out the Cashi Colvets.

[01:16:59] [SPEAKER_07]: It's called the Cashi Colvets trilogy.

[01:17:01] [SPEAKER_07]: But he,

[01:17:02] [SPEAKER_02]: they wanted to do an altered carbon like just like,

[01:17:06] [SPEAKER_02]: a lot of the kind of kind of an anternet.

[01:17:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And then a fishery sit down and watch that like on YouTube or go to it.

[01:17:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd be like,

[01:17:11] [SPEAKER_02]: okay cool.

[01:17:11] [SPEAKER_02]: These people.

[01:17:12] [SPEAKER_06]: I know that looks does.

[01:17:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, no,

[01:17:15] [SPEAKER_02]: no, I just mean just like do a panel like do a con like just looking.

[01:17:20] [SPEAKER_02]: But they could do it outside the box.

[01:17:22] [SPEAKER_02]: They could just say like,

[01:17:23] [SPEAKER_02]: hey,

[01:17:24] [SPEAKER_02]: after these two hours fly by,

[01:17:25] [SPEAKER_02]: we're going to have a in person like talk with like one of the writers or whatever.

[01:17:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it doesn't even have to be the main writer.

[01:17:32] [SPEAKER_02]: If they get like even just someone who directed five episodes,

[01:17:36] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[01:17:37] [SPEAKER_02]: just spilled the beans.

[01:17:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Just if they want to do an audio drama continuation that the cool.

[01:17:42] [SPEAKER_07]: I just think that because

[01:17:45] [SPEAKER_07]: because during the period,

[01:17:47] [SPEAKER_07]: it was canceled by nearing the start of COVID.

[01:17:51] [SPEAKER_07]: You know,

[01:17:52] [SPEAKER_07]: it gets.

[01:17:53] [SPEAKER_02]: You probably have to put in like some other like sci-fi shows on one panel.

[01:17:58] [SPEAKER_02]: You know,

[01:17:58] [SPEAKER_07]: people's money more really like talking.

[01:18:02] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean,

[01:18:03] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know,

[01:18:04] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean,

[01:18:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I do know,

[01:18:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean,

[01:18:06] [SPEAKER_02]: it's a great show.

[01:18:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I could do a continuum or

[01:18:08] [SPEAKER_02]: expands probably wanted them maybe bringing some other guest stars.

[01:18:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And here's this guy from the sort of space opera or

[01:18:14] [SPEAKER_02]: sci-fi.

[01:18:15] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm so pissed off.

[01:18:16] [SPEAKER_07]: They didn't finish the whole book series for a month.

[01:18:18] [SPEAKER_07]: And they were,

[01:18:19] [SPEAKER_07]: you know,

[01:18:20] [SPEAKER_07]: they hinted like,

[01:18:21] [SPEAKER_07]: they're going to be more with the IP because the writers are all on board.

[01:18:27] [SPEAKER_07]: But, you know,

[01:18:28] [SPEAKER_07]: let's then what,

[01:18:29] [SPEAKER_07]: two years now since the experience ended.

[01:18:32] [SPEAKER_10]: I don't.

[01:18:33] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[01:18:34] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[01:18:34] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean,

[01:18:35] [SPEAKER_07]: nothing.

[01:18:36] [SPEAKER_02]: That was an epic finale.

[01:18:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I even had fun debating with fans when

[01:18:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Bobby went to the broth.

[01:18:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah,

[01:18:44] [SPEAKER_02]: like,

[01:18:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean,

[01:18:46] [SPEAKER_02]: but it was the right kind of left to your mind versus,

[01:18:49] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah,

[01:18:50] [SPEAKER_02]: they didn't think that out at all.

[01:18:52] [SPEAKER_07]: I just wanted to finish the book.

[01:18:54] [SPEAKER_07]: You know,

[01:18:54] [SPEAKER_07]: like, I mean,

[01:18:57] [SPEAKER_07]: you know,

[01:18:58] [SPEAKER_07]: like a couple people again,

[01:19:00] [SPEAKER_07]: the kill Alex off because of the actor.

[01:19:02] [SPEAKER_07]: You know,

[01:19:02] [SPEAKER_07]: he was posted in the book.

[01:19:05] [SPEAKER_07]: Only the whole crew.

[01:19:07] [SPEAKER_07]: Three of them died.

[01:19:10] Hmm.

[01:19:11] [SPEAKER_07]: No four of the next few died.

[01:19:12] [SPEAKER_07]: Cause remember what's your name?

[01:19:14] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh,

[01:19:15] [SPEAKER_07]: it was who tried to kill them.

[01:19:19] [SPEAKER_07]: Cause before,

[01:19:21] [SPEAKER_07]: you had to come by other crew.

[01:19:22] [SPEAKER_07]: She ends up dying in the book.

[01:19:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's right.

[01:19:26] [SPEAKER_02]: The one gal of the,

[01:19:27] [SPEAKER_02]: there's the daughter of the awful mad scientist.

[01:19:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah,

[01:19:30] [SPEAKER_07]: try to sacrifice yourself and book to help.

[01:19:33] [SPEAKER_02]: That was it.

[01:19:34] [SPEAKER_02]: You want to talk.

[01:19:35] [SPEAKER_02]: That's as close as they get to alter carbon just showing how,

[01:19:38] [SPEAKER_02]: even though she's not in a different skin like she's had one of.

[01:19:41] [SPEAKER_07]: It feels odd.

[01:19:42] [SPEAKER_07]: It's an everything.

[01:19:43] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[01:19:43] [SPEAKER_02]: She's been all programmed is this kind of the,

[01:19:46] [SPEAKER_02]: this rational.

[01:19:48] [SPEAKER_07]: She's a doctor.

[01:19:49] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I'm in there.

[01:19:50] [SPEAKER_07]: So to the point where eventually they would end up a stronger.

[01:19:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:19:56] [SPEAKER_02]: If you want to redeem yourself just partner with us and go after the real evil.

[01:20:00] [SPEAKER_07]: Bobby does it see ends up fucking smaller alert spy away from the book.

[01:20:05] [SPEAKER_07]: Give you a spoiler.

[01:20:06] [SPEAKER_07]: Alright,

[01:20:07] [SPEAKER_02]: you've been more in.

[01:20:08] [SPEAKER_07]: The orange guys.

[01:20:09] [SPEAKER_07]: Bobby Dravery does die.

[01:20:11] [SPEAKER_07]: She sacrificed.

[01:20:13] [SPEAKER_07]: he goes out like a bad as though.

[01:20:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's all I thought of that.

[01:20:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I love that actress like she.

[01:20:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I just love how she's tunting her crappy and crooked.

[01:20:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Joint chief guys who trained her and they're like,

[01:20:32] [SPEAKER_02]: you think you go to do you guinea.

[01:20:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And she's like,

[01:20:35] [SPEAKER_02]: he just knows how to put everybody like a head log and say,

[01:20:38] [SPEAKER_02]: you don't get to making you make me your bitch.

[01:20:43] [SPEAKER_07]: She has a great.

[01:20:45] [SPEAKER_07]: It's sad but she has a degree to this.

[01:20:48] [SPEAKER_07]: She's a good enough.

[01:20:49] [SPEAKER_07]: You know,

[01:20:49] [SPEAKER_07]: Davis dies but comes but they bring him back up the life.

[01:20:54] [SPEAKER_07]: He's in technology and then what's his name?

[01:20:56] [SPEAKER_07]: They do kind of heal him a similar way in the show,

[01:20:59] [SPEAKER_07]: but not the same thing.

[01:21:01] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean,

[01:21:02] [SPEAKER_06]: well,

[01:21:02] [SPEAKER_06]: but no he,

[01:21:03] [SPEAKER_06]: they never got to that stuff on the show because I know you got to heavily injured

[01:21:08] [SPEAKER_02]: and like the second a lot of the sudden they started using a special.

[01:21:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Treatment on them.

[01:21:13] [SPEAKER_06]: No,

[01:21:13] [SPEAKER_07]: like the alien technology like they can.

[01:21:17] [SPEAKER_07]: They were starting to hit on a towards in the last season.

[01:21:22] [SPEAKER_07]: You know,

[01:21:23] [SPEAKER_07]: again,

[01:21:24] [SPEAKER_07]: like they had two more books left that goes in more depth with the,

[01:21:28] [SPEAKER_07]: you know, the imperial,

[01:21:31] [SPEAKER_07]: the human,

[01:21:33] [SPEAKER_07]: the people that created the imperial stuff and there's a whole,

[01:21:36] [SPEAKER_07]: there's a whole another war that starts off after that,

[01:21:41] [SPEAKER_07]: that they would have been in the last two books.

[01:21:43] [SPEAKER_07]: And they,

[01:21:44] [SPEAKER_07]: you know,

[01:21:46] [SPEAKER_07]: it's,

[01:21:46] [SPEAKER_07]: I just wish,

[01:21:47] [SPEAKER_07]: but again,

[01:21:48] [SPEAKER_07]: he knows sci-fi cancel it and Amazon picked it up for like two more seasons.

[01:21:52] [SPEAKER_07]: They're like,

[01:21:53] [SPEAKER_02]: that's it.

[01:21:55] [SPEAKER_07]: But it shows like there.

[01:21:58] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean,

[01:21:58] [SPEAKER_07]: there are their fucking expensive.

[01:22:00] [SPEAKER_07]: Well,

[01:22:00] [SPEAKER_02]: but I'm so glad that the writers themselves,

[01:22:03] [SPEAKER_02]: like that was nearing Shankar's big deal after working on,

[01:22:06] [SPEAKER_02]: almost human and CSI.

[01:22:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And,

[01:22:09] [SPEAKER_02]: but prior to that,

[01:22:10] [SPEAKER_02]: he was just known as being the science consultant and writing all the,

[01:22:13] [SPEAKER_02]: the way to episodes on NextGen and same thing with Ronald E. Moore, you know,

[01:22:17] [SPEAKER_07]: you,

[01:22:18] [SPEAKER_07]: it's so well too,

[01:22:20] [SPEAKER_07]: because like the,

[01:22:20] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean,

[01:22:21] [SPEAKER_07]: the books,

[01:22:22] [SPEAKER_07]: the books written by two authors and he,

[01:22:27] [SPEAKER_02]: he's knowledgeable about science and everything,

[01:22:28] [SPEAKER_02]: like that was his major before getting into screen writing.

[01:22:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I,

[01:22:33] [SPEAKER_02]: same thing with Ronald E. Moore,

[01:22:34] [SPEAKER_02]: like he grew up just loving various intents,

[01:22:38] [SPEAKER_02]: like legal dramas and everything and wrote all the great,

[01:22:41] [SPEAKER_02]: military and clean on episodes of NextGen.

[01:22:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Next thing you know,

[01:22:44] [SPEAKER_02]: he's doing good versus evil,

[01:22:46] [SPEAKER_02]: the new battle star and now he's got,

[01:22:49] [SPEAKER_02]: for all mankind on Apple.

[01:22:51] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[01:22:52] [SPEAKER_07]: Like,

[01:22:52] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm probably a button like,

[01:22:53] [SPEAKER_07]: but holding he,

[01:22:55] [SPEAKER_07]: he does,

[01:22:57] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know how exactly that in the rest of the,

[01:23:00] [SPEAKER_07]: finished the last book yet,

[01:23:01] [SPEAKER_07]: but do you know that he does in the,

[01:23:03] [SPEAKER_07]: me,

[01:23:03] [SPEAKER_07]: segregated himself and so on?

[01:23:05] [SPEAKER_07]: I started,

[01:23:07] [SPEAKER_02]: finished the first is playing everybody for a fool and saying,

[01:23:10] [SPEAKER_02]: how about a president,

[01:23:11] [SPEAKER_02]: you're in charge.

[01:23:12] [SPEAKER_02]: It's your problem.

[01:23:12] [SPEAKER_07]: Actually,

[01:23:13] [SPEAKER_07]: the show actually does a damn good job to the most part of being,

[01:23:17] [SPEAKER_07]: you're just in suspense.

[01:23:19] [SPEAKER_07]: And I take,

[01:23:20] [SPEAKER_07]: adapting for you book to show.

[01:23:23] [SPEAKER_07]: They did a really good job.

[01:23:25] [SPEAKER_07]: They did change with things here and there,

[01:23:26] [SPEAKER_07]: but it's,

[01:23:28] [SPEAKER_07]: but not,

[01:23:29] [SPEAKER_07]: but they cut stuff out that pacing wise,

[01:23:34] [SPEAKER_07]: you know,

[01:23:34] [SPEAKER_07]: the episode count.

[01:23:35] [SPEAKER_02]: What if they want to digest?

[01:23:37] [SPEAKER_07]: But,

[01:23:38] [SPEAKER_07]: And I think we're going to,

[01:23:38] [SPEAKER_07]: and I think it's certainly things.

[01:23:39] [SPEAKER_07]: But overall,

[01:23:40] [SPEAKER_07]: it was true to the book series,

[01:23:43] [SPEAKER_07]: except the biggest change of the house nine.

[01:23:46] [SPEAKER_07]: But of course again,

[01:23:47] [SPEAKER_07]: that's because the star director was a,

[01:23:50] [SPEAKER_07]: you sexual,

[01:23:51] [SPEAKER_07]: the music,

[01:23:53] [SPEAKER_07]: you met sexual assault,

[01:23:54] [SPEAKER_07]: which people.

[01:23:57] [SPEAKER_07]: You know,

[01:23:59] [SPEAKER_07]: the actor was in the episode of 24,

[01:24:02] [SPEAKER_07]: he played the doctor in like season.

[01:24:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh,

[01:24:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean,

[01:24:05] [SPEAKER_02]: the man in prison herself,

[01:24:06] [SPEAKER_02]: remember she was the,

[01:24:08] [SPEAKER_02]: she was mom terrorist.

[01:24:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like,

[01:24:11] [SPEAKER_07]: that was actually in the same season.

[01:24:13] [SPEAKER_07]: They were in the same.

[01:24:14] [SPEAKER_07]: That's right.

[01:24:16] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[01:24:16] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[01:24:16] [SPEAKER_07]: The doctor treating her when Jack broke them in.

[01:24:20] [SPEAKER_07]: And yeah.

[01:24:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:24:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And kind of think and,

[01:24:23] [SPEAKER_07]: I'll see the board.

[01:24:25] [SPEAKER_02]: There were a lot of,

[01:24:26] [SPEAKER_02]: who's who of Canada TV,

[01:24:28] [SPEAKER_02]: say,

[01:24:29] [SPEAKER_02]: sign 24 type people.

[01:24:30] [SPEAKER_02]: It was,

[01:24:31] [SPEAKER_02]: it was a fun,

[01:24:32] [SPEAKER_02]: but I think it also,

[01:24:33] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[01:24:34] [SPEAKER_02]: somebody's good.

[01:24:35] [SPEAKER_02]: If not only do you want to watch more than one episode,

[01:24:37] [SPEAKER_02]: but you also want to digest it.

[01:24:39] [SPEAKER_02]: You want to analyze it more.

[01:24:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And many years later,

[01:24:44] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[01:24:44] [SPEAKER_02]: like that's good TV,

[01:24:45] [SPEAKER_02]: regardless of the era or how it's produced.

[01:24:49] [SPEAKER_02]: when I'm kind of that way with all the other Amazon shows,

[01:24:52] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[01:24:52] [SPEAKER_02]: like I'm always having a teller one.

[01:24:54] [SPEAKER_02]: All right,

[01:24:55] [SPEAKER_02]: make some extra time.

[01:24:56] [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to watch more than two episodes.

[01:24:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It's,

[01:24:59] [SPEAKER_02]: it's,

[01:24:59] [SPEAKER_02]: it's a lot to process and you're going to forget certain character names.

[01:25:02] [SPEAKER_02]: If you're not paying attention,

[01:25:04] [SPEAKER_07]: coursely.

[01:25:05] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, like,

[01:25:06] [SPEAKER_07]: but yeah,

[01:25:06] [SPEAKER_07]: it's fantastic.

[01:25:07] [SPEAKER_07]: Great show.

[01:25:08] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, all again,

[01:25:09] [SPEAKER_07]: you're going to go out the car,

[01:25:09] [SPEAKER_07]: but you know,

[01:25:10] [SPEAKER_07]: I think that was a good show.

[01:25:12] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the,

[01:25:13] [SPEAKER_02]: expands people want to come over to the car room.

[01:25:16] [SPEAKER_07]: I think if you,

[01:25:17] [SPEAKER_07]: if you could experience,

[01:25:19] [SPEAKER_07]: you would enjoy all the car room to the grid.

[01:25:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Besides the same coin,

[01:25:24] yes.

[01:25:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And there's a,

[01:25:27] [SPEAKER_02]: sci-fi's at a better place now with in terms of TV.

[01:25:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean,

[01:25:31] [SPEAKER_02]: there's plenty of other stuff I have fun watching like original vampire and other stuff just

[01:25:36] [SPEAKER_07]: this because no over the last with

[01:25:39] [SPEAKER_07]: 30,

[01:25:41] [SPEAKER_07]: 50 years.

[01:25:42] [SPEAKER_02]: This is time to breathe instead of

[01:25:45] [SPEAKER_07]: people who come to see how science picks up.

[01:25:47] [SPEAKER_07]: You know,

[01:25:49] [SPEAKER_07]: it's not science fiction or

[01:25:51] [SPEAKER_07]: it's about alien shock violence.

[01:25:55] [SPEAKER_07]: It's you,

[01:25:55] [SPEAKER_07]: it's a lot of human stories in the genre.

[01:25:59] [SPEAKER_07]: Let's go.

[01:25:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean,

[01:26:00] [SPEAKER_02]: same thing with an anthology show, you know?

[01:26:03] [SPEAKER_07]: It's just,

[01:26:04] [SPEAKER_07]: I enjoyed this discussion.

[01:26:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you have owned it once again?

[01:26:46] [SPEAKER_08]: It's a,

[01:26:48] [SPEAKER_08]: it's a,

[01:26:49] [SPEAKER_08]: it's a,